1 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,240 welcome to the Docs of Running podcast where we, a group of 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,480 doctors, physical therapy, discuss the art and science of 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,560 running and the stuff that we put on our feet. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,800 Today we have a special two-part episode where first we're going 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,240 to go talk to Doctor David Salas. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,160 He's going to walk through creating a shoe rotation and 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,200 what considerations you might make depending on your goals. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Then we're going to go talk to Matt and he's giving us an 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,460 indepth review of a unique shoe in the Prime X2, which has a lot 10 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:35,620 of differences between that and the first version in terms of 11 00:00:35,620 --> 00:00:39,140 how it can work for a runner. And so we're excited to kick it 12 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:41,060 over to Dr. David Salas to get started. 13 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:55,020 And today the topic will be shoe rotations and how to build them 14 00:00:55,020 --> 00:00:57,790 so. When we take a look at a shoe 15 00:00:57,790 --> 00:01:01,910 rotation and what that is, it's essentially in the name, but it 16 00:01:01,910 --> 00:01:04,190 is a rotation of shoes that we put on our feet. 17 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:07,630 We always say that shoes are tools and that they can be used 18 00:01:07,630 --> 00:01:13,910 for different tasks, and so when we break up a shoe rotation, we 19 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:17,110 can set them up for however we want to use these tools. 20 00:01:17,590 --> 00:01:22,750 And going forward with that, how many shoes go into a rotation? 21 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:24,550 What are the purpose of each shoes? 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,880 There's just so much out there now that it's very hard from the 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,520 consumer standpoint to pick the shoes, let alone have multiple 24 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,440 and know what to do with each one of them. 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000 And so I wanted to break that down a little bit today and 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,520 really go through what shoe rotations could look like both 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,120 in the road running and in the trail running sphere, mostly in 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,680 the road running. I'm not on the trails as much, 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,920 but we will go through it. I did take the time to write 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,920 down a couple of things here on a whiteboard. 31 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:54,860 And we will start going through it. 32 00:01:54,860 --> 00:02:01,700 So for road running, I broke it down into two, three and four 33 00:02:01,700 --> 00:02:05,100 plus as far as shoe rotations go. 34 00:02:05,620 --> 00:02:09,979 And when we are taking a look at a shoe rotation for only two 35 00:02:09,979 --> 00:02:13,700 shoes that you get to choose from, essentially broke it down 36 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:17,060 into one shoe, that's going to be your workhorse shoe. 37 00:02:17,060 --> 00:02:19,900 It's going to be your daily running, easy running, 38 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:21,980 potentially long run shoe as well. 39 00:02:22,410 --> 00:02:25,410 And then one performance shoe essentially and that performance 40 00:02:25,410 --> 00:02:29,050 shoe doesn't necessarily have to be a super shoe that we're 41 00:02:29,050 --> 00:02:31,970 seeing, but just something that you can turn over a little bit, 42 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:34,370 you feel comfortable running a little bit faster in. 43 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:37,730 And essentially that shoe would most likely be your racing shoe 44 00:02:37,730 --> 00:02:42,370 as well because you would have the difference between your 45 00:02:42,410 --> 00:02:45,250 primary training shoe and then your go fast shoe. 46 00:02:45,570 --> 00:02:48,810 And so some examples for that when we take a look at training 47 00:02:48,810 --> 00:02:51,810 shoes, one that comes to mind frequently for myself. 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Is the Saucony Ride 16 neutral platform? 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,240 Not a whole lot of bells and whistles. 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Simple gets the job done. It's a workhorse shoe. 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,760 It's one of my favorite shoes of the year so far. 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,520 It's kind of like the old reliable that I can continue 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,640 just logging miles in. And so usually with that daily 54 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:15,600 running workhorse mileage shoe, I'm not as concerned about 55 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,880 weight per se. Another shoe that I've been 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,040 really digging is the Hoka Stinson 7. 57 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:26,930 And this is a shoe that has some appeal in A2 shoe rotation as 58 00:03:26,930 --> 00:03:30,050 well because even though it's on the heavier side, this could be 59 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:32,490 an easy day shoe. It can be a long run shoe. 60 00:03:32,490 --> 00:03:35,170 It can be a little bit of a trail running shoe as well. 61 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:40,170 So it kind of checks all of those boxes and when we look at 62 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:43,250 that second shoe on the rotation, that can be something 63 00:03:43,250 --> 00:03:45,770 that can go a little bit quicker that you're comfortable with. 64 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:48,370 Now, like I said, it doesn't have to be a super shoe. 65 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:51,980 It can be a what a lot of people call a training companion or a 66 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:55,660 shoe that accompanies a performance or racing shoe. 67 00:03:56,020 --> 00:03:59,020 And so some of those shoes that could be listed here, I'm just 68 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:05,260 looking around, is a shoe like the Hokka Mach X Lightweight, 69 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:09,180 it's plated, it's a hybrid midsole between Pbacks and Eva 70 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:12,580 and just a nice ride that is lightweight. 71 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:15,420 It's responsive enough to get the job done for most things. 72 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:20,420 It'll check most of your boxes. Another shoe that fits in that 73 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:24,380 category pretty well would be the Adidas Boston 12. 74 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:27,780 You can do daily training miles in it, you can do long runs, you 75 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:31,540 can pick up the pace a little bit, and you can pretty much 76 00:04:31,660 --> 00:04:34,620 rely on it for almost any racing distance. 77 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:36,660 Now, would I choose it for a 5K or 10K? 78 00:04:36,660 --> 00:04:40,740 No, I wouldn't. But in A2 shoe rotation, if it's 79 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:43,420 you just want something a little bit more snappy and lively. 80 00:04:43,890 --> 00:04:47,970 And you aren't as concerned about time or what is out there 81 00:04:47,970 --> 00:04:51,530 in the world for like a super shoe or racing specific shoe. 82 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:53,530 This is a shoe that can check those boxes. 83 00:04:53,530 --> 00:04:57,330 So essentially having one shoe that's for easy running, 84 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:59,970 comfortable running and then another shoe that helps you pick 85 00:04:59,970 --> 00:05:03,530 up the pace a little bit and that can also be flip-flopped. 86 00:05:03,530 --> 00:05:06,570 So with some of these Training Companion shoes, you can also 87 00:05:06,570 --> 00:05:08,410 use them as a daily training option. 88 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:13,360 So a shoe like the Boston 12 has plenty of durability to function 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,600 as a daily trainer and for those that are comfortable with that 90 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,040 and like a little bit of a more forward, slightly aggressive 91 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,600 ride, a little bit more bounce to the forefoot, this could 92 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,560 easily be a daily trainer for somebody. 93 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,280 And that can also be the case for a shoe like the Hokka Mock 94 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:30,560 X. Another shoe that has a lot of 95 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,920 versatility to it that you can do daily miles and you can do 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,510 speedy miles and. Is a shoe like the Topo Cyclone 97 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:41,670 Two, that could be another option in that versatile Swiss 98 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:44,950 Army knife type category. So for those that like a shoe 99 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:47,550 that can do a little bit of everything and they want to use 100 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:51,830 a shoe that is a training companion as their primary daily 101 00:05:51,830 --> 00:05:55,510 trainer, that is an option too. And so that's where shoes like I 102 00:05:55,510 --> 00:05:58,750 just listed shoes like the Saucony Endorphin Speed Three, 103 00:05:58,750 --> 00:06:01,270 those types of shoes really shine in that category. 104 00:06:01,750 --> 00:06:04,790 And then using that other shoe being your racing shoe. 105 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,420 And so just a couple of quick examples of things that are out 106 00:06:08,420 --> 00:06:09,900 there. I'm sure everybody knows the 107 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:12,020 Nike Vapor Fly next percent three. 108 00:06:12,420 --> 00:06:16,540 We've got shoes like the Sock and endorphin elite, shoes like 109 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:22,900 the On Cloud Boom E3, and if you're not into the longer 110 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:26,340 distances and you like something a little bit shorter, shoes like 111 00:06:26,340 --> 00:06:31,150 the Adidas Takumi Sen 9. So in A2 shoe lineup, you could 112 00:06:31,150 --> 00:06:36,190 actually have a couple variances in how you design that rotation. 113 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:39,350 It's crazy when you look at it and it's like, OK, so you have 114 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:41,310 to only have one and you only have to have two. 115 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:44,470 When you add one more shoe to that rotation, that does 116 00:06:44,470 --> 00:06:49,030 drastically change your options. And so when we take a look at a 117 00:06:49,030 --> 00:06:53,430 three shoe rotation, that is usually when I start to break it 118 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:56,110 up. For me personally, I will look 119 00:06:56,110 --> 00:06:59,420 at my daily running shoe. That's going to be again that 120 00:06:59,420 --> 00:07:03,580 workhorse for me, the Ride 16, the Stinson 7, the Topo Cyclone 121 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:06,780 Three was another great daily training offering. 122 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,980 And then I would look, if I only had two other shoes, I would 123 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:16,260 break it up in one of two ways. One would be the daily running 124 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:19,460 shoe as the one spot, The two spot would be the training 125 00:07:19,460 --> 00:07:23,700 companion. So the Boston 12 the Cyclone 2 126 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:26,540 the. Mach X. 127 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:30,060 Any kind of lightweight performance esque type shoe, but 128 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:31,420 not the shoe that I'm going to race in. 129 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:35,020 And then ultimately my racing shoe and that racing shoe would 130 00:07:35,020 --> 00:07:38,060 probably accompany A multitude of distances, so something like 131 00:07:38,060 --> 00:07:41,820 the Vapor Fly would probably be a pretty nice option for that. 132 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:47,780 Or the Cloud Boom E3. The other way of doing that is 133 00:07:47,780 --> 00:07:51,540 having a training companion or a lightweight is trainer. 134 00:07:52,130 --> 00:07:56,770 As the option number one and then option #2 being a go fast 135 00:07:56,770 --> 00:08:01,770 shoe for shorter distances. So we're talking let's say 10 to 136 00:08:01,770 --> 00:08:05,810 15 K and down and then we have like our half marathon up go 137 00:08:05,810 --> 00:08:10,130 fast shoes and so you can have whatever it is that you like to 138 00:08:10,130 --> 00:08:14,090 have as your training shoe. And then for me like the the 139 00:08:14,090 --> 00:08:16,970 shorter distance shoes would be something that I'm using on the 140 00:08:16,970 --> 00:08:19,290 track or shorter interval days on the road. 141 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:22,860 That would look like something like the Adidas Takumisen 9, the 142 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:27,420 Topo Cyclone Two and anything that's kind of shorter at New 143 00:08:27,420 --> 00:08:31,900 Balance Fuel cell, SC Pacer, that's another really solid 144 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:35,659 option for that. And then my third option being 145 00:08:35,659 --> 00:08:37,700 that longer distance racing shoe. 146 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:41,140 And so that again would be like the Vapor Fly clad, the Mecca 3 147 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:45,140 endorphin elite and just choosing between those two 148 00:08:45,140 --> 00:08:47,940 because some of those shoes for those longer distances I don't 149 00:08:47,940 --> 00:08:52,300 necessarily like as much. For the shorter distances, the 150 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:56,620 cloud with Mecho 3 and Vapor Fly Three are probably the more 151 00:08:56,620 --> 00:09:00,140 versatile of the bunch where I feel like I can run 5K10K and 152 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:04,940 also run marathon half Marathon, whereas the Endorphin Elite for 153 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:07,420 me personally is more specifically half Marathon up. 154 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:11,740 So really taking a look at the use that you want to use the 155 00:09:11,740 --> 00:09:16,140 shoes for and then giving up the uses accordingly. 156 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:20,410 Another potential option, if we're not looking at performance 157 00:09:20,410 --> 00:09:25,450 or going as fast as we can in certain distances, is having 158 00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:29,850 let's say a daily running shoe that normal trainer that just 159 00:09:29,850 --> 00:09:33,010 gets the job done. Having a trail running shoe, 160 00:09:33,010 --> 00:09:35,850 especially if you run in a lot of varied terrain and you want 161 00:09:35,850 --> 00:09:37,930 to really get out there and you want to just have something a 162 00:09:37,930 --> 00:09:39,530 little bit more sturdy on your foot. 163 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:42,550 And then just having something that's a lightweight trainer as 164 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:45,670 the next option or kind of your speedy training companion type 165 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:49,430 shoe that was similar to that 2 shoe rotation in the beginning. 166 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:53,950 So the couple of different ways to play with three shoe 167 00:09:53,950 --> 00:09:57,790 rotations, this is assuming that you're not running cross country 168 00:09:57,790 --> 00:10:02,110 or track meets as well. If you are doing cross country 169 00:10:02,110 --> 00:10:05,190 and track then normally I would probably say have your daily 170 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:07,530 trainer. You could even do workouts in 171 00:10:07,530 --> 00:10:09,810 your daily trainer. I did that for a long time, but 172 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:15,130 you can have a daily trainer, a workout shoe, race shoe and just 173 00:10:15,130 --> 00:10:18,810 go from there. And so it's basically be your 174 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:22,370 daily training, some kind of a training companion or long 175 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:25,610 distance racing flat. The water is very muddy now and 176 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:28,610 then having a pair of spikes or flats to go with what you're 177 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:31,410 racing in. So that would be the three shoe 178 00:10:31,410 --> 00:10:36,600 option for that. Going into the four plus options 179 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,120 now this is kind of a fun one because this is I'm fortunate 180 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,240 being with doctors of running that we do get to test so many 181 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,600 shoes, so acknowledging that there are more options that we 182 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,720 have readily available and. Looking at it, my normal 183 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,080 rotation, give or take is about four to five shoes and what that 184 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,120 would look like is 1 as my daily workhorse trainer. 185 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,480 So that's the majority of our testing, that's the majority of 186 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,600 my miles, just easy running. And that would be my shoes like 187 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,200 the Ride 16, the Topo Phantom 3, the Hokus Tension 7, those kinds 188 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,400 of shoes where I'm just getting miles in. 189 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,320 And so that's number one, that's got to be there and then. 190 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:21,810 I like to have being on the track once a week or doing 191 00:11:21,810 --> 00:11:23,650 shorter intervals. I like to have something a 192 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:26,090 little bit snappier, moderate stack high or lower to the 193 00:11:26,090 --> 00:11:29,090 ground. For me, the Topo Cyclone Two and 194 00:11:29,090 --> 00:11:31,130 they did just to come and send nine work great for that. 195 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:36,330 Those are two of my just work or workout you know shoes that I 196 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:38,930 use all of the time for that purpose. 197 00:11:39,850 --> 00:11:44,090 Same with the New Balance SC pacer then having a long 198 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:48,170 distance tempo shoe. And that would be like the 199 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:51,690 Boston 12 or just something that's a little bit even the 200 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:54,930 ASICS Super Blast could probably fall into that category. 201 00:11:55,610 --> 00:11:58,410 Really any training companion out there, Hokamoc X, I've done 202 00:11:58,410 --> 00:12:00,090 10 plus mile tempos in that shoe. 203 00:12:00,570 --> 00:12:05,050 So I usually have like the long tempo and kind of lightweight 204 00:12:05,050 --> 00:12:08,130 trainer, long run shoe. They all kind of blend together. 205 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:12,680 So that would be like my #3. And then the other option would 206 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:16,320 be ultimately my racing shoe. And so I'll try to save miles 207 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,440 off of my racing shoes. I try not to use them too often. 208 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,160 With that said, I'll use them for races and then as we get 209 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,120 closer to races, I'll start using them for that intended 210 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,080 purpose. So if I have a workout that's 211 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,680 pretty close to race, pace or what we're expecting to feel, 212 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:37,050 then I may put them on. And so that it just varies by 213 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:41,290 the distance but usually these days I'm running more longer Rd. 214 00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:44,850 races so I will use it for that purpose. 215 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:48,730 Now if we don't care about having the short and the long 216 00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:53,090 distance shoes separated another way we can divvy this up and we 217 00:12:53,090 --> 00:12:55,570 did this a little bit with the three shoe rotation is you can 218 00:12:55,570 --> 00:12:59,370 just add a trail shoe option or a something that has a little 219 00:12:59,370 --> 00:13:02,930 bit more versatility for you and so you can have. 220 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:06,540 Let's say your normal daily training shoe that can be a 221 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:10,380 moderate stack height, just get this, get the work done, you 222 00:13:10,380 --> 00:13:15,820 know, type of shoe and then you can have a recovery day shoe. 223 00:13:15,860 --> 00:13:18,940 If you're really feeling beat up and you want let's say a rocker 224 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:21,380 profile and something to just kind of give you a little bit of 225 00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:24,100 help as you're going through. That's another option for a lot 226 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:26,140 of people that they like where they don't like it every day, 227 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:28,180 but it's something they can reach for when they are feeling 228 00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:31,140 that way, then having a trail shoe option. 229 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:33,820 Something that is a little bit more sturdy, that you can take 230 00:13:33,820 --> 00:13:37,620 out into varying terrain and know that you can trust it for 231 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:40,940 those options. And then just having something 232 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:44,460 that's kind of a fun shoe. And so that can that can look 233 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:47,580 like anything, that can be a racing flat, that can be a 234 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:52,740 lightweight training companion, that can whatever makes you 235 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:58,130 excited and have some fun. So those would be kind of the 236 00:13:58,130 --> 00:14:02,810 four shoe options going down the line looking at what that would, 237 00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:06,130 what that would essentially be on that rotation. 238 00:14:06,810 --> 00:14:11,330 And so taking a look now at trail running, I don't go on the 239 00:14:11,330 --> 00:14:14,970 trails quite as much, but we're going to go down a very similar 240 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:20,450 pathway here and looking at A2 shoe rotation on the trails. 241 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,280 I would it would be very similar to the road running component 242 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,720 and it would be the shoe that I like to do my daily miles and 243 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,160 just something that's reliable and gets the job done. 244 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,840 One shoe that comes to mind for me is the Brooks Cascadia 17. 245 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,000 I joke, I say it's boring in the best way. 246 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,720 It has a relatively natural transition. 247 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,160 It feels pretty stable under foot. 248 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,280 I can take it pretty much wherever I want to take it. 249 00:14:45,070 --> 00:14:47,270 Is it a little bit heavier and not as responsive as some of the 250 00:14:47,270 --> 00:14:48,430 other issues out there? Sure. 251 00:14:48,430 --> 00:14:50,990 But it gets the job done and it's something that you can just 252 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:53,510 keep running in over and over and over again and beat it into 253 00:14:53,510 --> 00:14:56,510 the ground. So that would be the daily 254 00:14:56,510 --> 00:14:59,070 training option for the trails. If you're pretty exclusive to 255 00:14:59,070 --> 00:15:03,190 the trail area, then the other option would be essentially the 256 00:15:03,190 --> 00:15:05,830 the fun shoe. And that would be whether or not 257 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:10,310 you're competing or pushing the pace or trying to run whatever, 258 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:15,330 whether it's 25 K's 10K trail. 50K Trail, 100K trail. 259 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:18,250 You kind of pick your distance of what you're trying to 260 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:21,370 accomplish and then get a shoe that fits that profile for what 261 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:25,010 you need. And so some of the shoes that 262 00:15:25,010 --> 00:15:27,890 could fall into that category when we look at that. 263 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Had to grab it. So when we take a look at 25 K 264 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,720 down, and granted this is relative, if you are used to 265 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,200 running in these types of shoes and you want to go farther, you 266 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,520 can you can go farther. No one's stopping you. 267 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,920 But traditionally when I think 25 K down, I think of shoes like 268 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,200 the Hoka Torrent. I don't have one right next to 269 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,480 me, but Hoka Tecton X, this is the second version of that shoe. 270 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,560 If I'm thinking about going longer, we've got shoes like the 271 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,520 Nike Ultrafly now and the sockony Endorphin Edge. 272 00:16:02,970 --> 00:16:05,770 So a little bit more of newer generation options, one having 273 00:16:05,770 --> 00:16:11,090 Zoom X1, having power run PB, both having carbon plates V Well 274 00:16:11,330 --> 00:16:14,650 this one has a Vibra mouth, so the Nike ultrafly and then power 275 00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:19,930 track on the endorphin edge. So that would essentially be the 276 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:22,170 two shoe rotation for trail running. 277 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:26,090 When we take a look at a three shoe rotation, I think it's 278 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:29,330 still parallels the road running scene a little bit. 279 00:16:29,330 --> 00:16:31,650 You have your old reliable at #1. 280 00:16:32,010 --> 00:16:35,010 The sheet, you're just going to log a lot of miles and you can 281 00:16:35,010 --> 00:16:36,770 be going on a three mile trail run. 282 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:38,450 You could be going on a 20 mile trail run. 283 00:16:38,450 --> 00:16:41,170 If it's just easy logging miles, that's your shoe. 284 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:47,410 Then I think where we expand from there is having those fun 285 00:16:47,410 --> 00:16:51,130 options become a short and a long distance. 286 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:54,090 That's one way to break it up. Another one is going by 287 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:56,770 instances, so you can have or terrain. 288 00:16:56,770 --> 00:16:58,850 You can have your more runnable trail option. 289 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:03,000 And then you can have your technical terrain option. 290 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,240 That would be something where it's like okay, I have my daily. 291 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,400 This is like if things really are bad and I'm running through 292 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,359 a lot of rocks and boulders and really need to watch myself a 293 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,560 secure shoe and then kind of having a more fun, nimble, more 294 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,599 runnable trail type running shoe. 295 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,720 The other option when looking at trail running is setting it up 296 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,079 by distances so you can have the. 297 00:17:28,349 --> 00:17:31,630 Daily training shoe. You can have a speedy 25K and 298 00:17:31,630 --> 00:17:36,110 then a speedy ultra that is similar to what I said earlier, 299 00:17:36,110 --> 00:17:41,750 but that essentially is choosing a lane for each shoe, having a 300 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:43,670 purpose for it, and then moving into it. 301 00:17:44,030 --> 00:17:47,870 Another one looking at usage is actually having the option for a 302 00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:51,710 waterproof upper or shoes that need Gators or things like that 303 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:53,510 that you have attachments for. So if you're doing a lot of 304 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:56,300 Creek crossings. You're running an area that has 305 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:58,940 a lot of rain and you're concerned about your feet 306 00:17:58,980 --> 00:18:03,260 getting very damp and wet. You can use a waterproof shoe as 307 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:06,900 well and put that in there and so you can have, let's say, a 308 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:09,940 Gore Tex Upward trail shoe in there that works for your 309 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:12,660 mechanics. Another way of doing it too is 310 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:16,220 having that all terrain option so you can have a all terrain 311 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:20,720 shoe like the Stinson 7. Or a shoe that just runs Okay on 312 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,880 the road that kind of passes. I think the Ultrafly also does 313 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,240 really well on the road. But having that shoe that you 314 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,520 can, if you know you're going to be going on and off of roads and 315 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,120 trails pretty frequently that is something that you can also 316 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,280 incorporate. So having an all terrain shoe, 317 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,280 trail specific shoe and then a race and or condition specific 318 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,000 shoe. So a lot of different ways to 319 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,340 build a shoe rotation. When we take a look at 4 shoes 320 00:18:49,340 --> 00:18:51,540 or more, sky is kind of the limit. 321 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:53,700 You know, you can just kind of have some fun there. 322 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:57,340 And so having an all terrain shoe, a weather dependent shoe, 323 00:18:57,460 --> 00:19:01,180 a performance shoe and then potentially a road running shoe 324 00:19:01,180 --> 00:19:05,380 because most people have a road shoe in their lineup as well 325 00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:09,780 because not all of their miles are going to be on trails so. 326 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:14,730 That's taking a look at rotations and having a road 327 00:19:14,890 --> 00:19:20,610 option and then a trail option. When we look at rotations as a 328 00:19:20,610 --> 00:19:23,170 whole. I don't have any set rule. 329 00:19:23,170 --> 00:19:27,410 I think it's just good to have some variability in what you're 330 00:19:27,410 --> 00:19:30,450 putting on your feet and having the body adapt to a couple of 331 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:33,610 different stimuli. If it's the same type of stimuli 332 00:19:33,610 --> 00:19:37,810 over and over and over again, the chance for repetitive stress 333 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:41,720 injuries can go up. And so that's something to look 334 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,280 out for and it's one of the things that we have seen with 335 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,960 having a shoe rotation that can help change the stresses on the 336 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,040 body and potentially decrease some injury risk. 337 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,320 So not that everyone has to have this three to four shoe or 4 338 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,240 plus shoe rotation, but it is good to have a couple of 339 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,160 different shoes in the arsenal to use for different activities 340 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,840 or different races that you have planned and so. 341 00:20:09,260 --> 00:20:12,740 Another thing that I would like to bring up too is I've been 342 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:18,260 speaking a lot about racing and she rotations in perspective to 343 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:21,660 performance. But this can also be a rotation 344 00:20:22,060 --> 00:20:26,180 for leisure, leisurely and recreational activity as well. 345 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:31,180 So if you have a trail shoe or a road walking shoe that you like, 346 00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:34,380 there can definitely be room in those rotations as well for 347 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:36,740 something that you just feel comfortable lounging and moving 348 00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:39,460 around in. For a lot of people, they have 349 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:42,980 an everyday shoe that they just kind of walk in, run and go to 350 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:45,340 work in, and that's totally fine. 351 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:48,860 And so just kind of finding the lane that you want the shoe to 352 00:20:48,860 --> 00:20:51,660 fit in and then just using it for the purposes that you 353 00:20:51,660 --> 00:20:55,060 allocated for. And that will not only help with 354 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:57,340 prolonging the life of some of the shoes, but it might also 355 00:20:57,340 --> 00:21:01,060 help with keeping injury risk down in the long run. 356 00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:06,030 So we would love to hear what everybody thinks about shoe 357 00:21:06,030 --> 00:21:08,910 rotations, where they feel they fall in shoe rotations. 358 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:11,150 How many shoes do you have in your rotation? 359 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:13,830 I should have said that at the beginning of the episode, but 360 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:17,350 that will be our subjective. For today is how many shoes do 361 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:20,390 you have in your rotation, what are the shoes in your rotation, 362 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:23,790 and what are things you look for when developing your shoe 363 00:21:23,790 --> 00:21:26,270 rotation? All right, have a good evening. 364 00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:38,000 Y'all. Everyone that you're from docs 365 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 running in today we're gonna do a little extended review and 366 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,680 analysis of the Adidas Primex Strung 2. 367 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,160 So Primex Strung one was definitely an interesting shoe. 368 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,440 With the Primex it was. Crazy stack height, 50 369 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,800 millimeters in the heel. Really unstable, kind of 370 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,320 terrifying to run in, but still amazing that they could make a 371 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,600 shoe this tall and have still a fairly lightweight. 372 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,640 My not my size. 10 was 9.8 ounces is 9.8 oz. 373 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,960 The specs for that back in the day was 8.7 ounces is what I 374 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,920 saw. One source. 375 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,400 This is before Adidas was sending us a lot of stuff, so I 376 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,600 had to kind of find my own stuff. 377 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,640 It was just a crazy shoe and it worked really well for some 378 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,920 people. Some people really enjoy this 379 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,080 shoe. There's a lot of people that 380 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,040 race in it. It was basically a higher stack, 381 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,680 high Adios Pro Two that just had that same bounce and it was 382 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,840 really interesting, but just not stable. 383 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:34,070 The Primex Strong I've been fascinated by since I saw photos 384 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:34,910 of it. I was super excited. 385 00:22:34,910 --> 00:22:37,190 I was super excited to find out when Adidas was sending us a few 386 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:39,070 pairs of these and I'm very thankful for that and do 387 00:22:39,070 --> 00:22:41,150 appreciate it. Do notice again, these were sent 388 00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:43,990 to us, four of you, without any kind of compensation. 389 00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:46,830 We send out all our own thoughts as always, and do not prep 390 00:22:46,830 --> 00:22:49,990 people for what we're going to say and that definitely goes for 391 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:52,110 this video. So what I want to talk about 392 00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:54,790 today is how this shoe is different and some of the really 393 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:58,990 interesting mechanisms of stability and bio mechanics but 394 00:22:58,990 --> 00:23:01,630 also things that I don't understand right. 395 00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:03,630 I'm going to talk about some gaps from going hey this is 396 00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:05,070 really cool, I don't know how this works. 397 00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:08,630 I just these are questions I have that maybe some of you as 398 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:11,150 engineers as by somebody might have the answer. 399 00:23:11,150 --> 00:23:14,350 I'm really curious please put it in the chat or the comments 400 00:23:14,350 --> 00:23:16,670 section because I'm curious, I'm trying to learn along with you. 401 00:23:16,670 --> 00:23:18,210 So let's. Let's talk about this. 402 00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:19,930 I have 30 miles on my pair right now. 403 00:23:19,930 --> 00:23:22,090 I'm going to try to get to 100 miles to get a full review on 404 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:24,930 this stuff and we'll hopefully have a written review out really 405 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:27,450 soon, if not already by the time this video comes out. 406 00:23:27,730 --> 00:23:33,650 But spec wise, again this is it's a different shoe These, the 407 00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:36,730 strong two and the strong one are not. 408 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,120 The same shoe. They are different in so many 409 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,680 ways, not just spec wise but also how they feel, how they 410 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,040 run. And that's really want to get 411 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,040 across to you is not only those of you that are running in the 412 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,120 shoes, this is a little comparison review running in the 413 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,720 original Primex Strong, but also those that are just interested 414 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,560 in shoes kind of go, hey, what is this? 415 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,790 Is it safe? Is it something I can run in and 416 00:23:57,790 --> 00:23:59,350 who might it work for? So I want to talk about that 417 00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:04,910 because it is working really well for me And this one was 418 00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:06,350 terrifying, it didn't work as well. 419 00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:09,270 So I just want to dive into what's going on here, especially 420 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:11,150 from a stability standpoint because that's what one of the 421 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:12,830 things that we had, doctors don't tend to talk about a 422 00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:13,910 little more than other reviewers. 423 00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:16,430 So if you want like the nitty gritty, you know, like all the 424 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:19,350 kind of stuff that you typically get from review site, this may 425 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:22,510 not be really heavy on that. It's going to be more heavy on 426 00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:25,660 some kind of geeky stuff, so. I appreciate if you just hang 427 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:26,660 out for this. This is just my thoughts. 428 00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:31,700 So this is a super trainer is the best way I can describe this 429 00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:35,180 spec wise. Adidas has this shoe at 10.4 430 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:41,980 ounces for men's size, I think it's nine, I think 9.9 oz for 431 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:46,060 women's size 8 There is 50 millimeters in the heel, 43 1/2 432 00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:47,780 in the four foot or 6 1/2 millimeter drop. 433 00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:52,540 So very similar to what the Adios Pro moved into Adios Pro 434 00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:55,070 3. Moved into very kind of similar 435 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:57,910 like out, so like the same outsole set up. 436 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:03,190 It is meant, like I said, they kind of call it like a distance 437 00:25:03,310 --> 00:25:05,830 super racer, a legal racer. Again, because the stack height 438 00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:09,950 goes above what's legal for World Ethnics Association. 439 00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:11,990 For those of us who are not professional athletes, it's 440 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:14,310 going to be fine. From what I understand, people 441 00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:16,910 were running triathlons and somebody ran at 2:30 in this, 442 00:25:16,910 --> 00:25:19,510 which actually doesn't surprise me and I'll talk about why in 443 00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:21,960 just a second, but. The whole shoe is totally 444 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,200 different. It is an insanely tall, stack 445 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,120 high shoe that is surprisingly stable, which I am still 446 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,640 wrapping my head around. That's what I want to talk 447 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,680 about. But it yeah, it's a super 448 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,920 trainer. It's insanely tall off the 449 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,720 ground, but it doesn't have the same crazy feel as some of the 450 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,400 other super shoes, at least initially to me, like the 451 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,400 instability of the previous one. So let's. 452 00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:44,070 Dive in. I'm going to do the same way I 453 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:45,950 do reviews. Let's talk about the fit first, 454 00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:48,230 some kind of some of the not as exciting stuff. 455 00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:51,870 We'll talk about ride. We'll talk about biomechanics 456 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:53,750 instability last because that's we're going to get meat and 457 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,230 potatoes, which I really want to talk about. 458 00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:57,750 So fit wise, this one actually fits. 459 00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:01,710 True to size the previous one, fit the previous two kind of 460 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:04,350 fits slightly long for me, this one fits really true to size. 461 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:07,870 The upper, the strung upper is more flexible than previous. 462 00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:11,590 There is not a separate tongue. It's now integrated and I do 463 00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:12,790 need to make sure that this flips. 464 00:26:12,910 --> 00:26:14,910 Up because when I put it on it does tend to flip down. 465 00:26:15,150 --> 00:26:17,790 It's really hard to get on. If you have a normal to high 466 00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:19,630 volume foot this is hard to get on. 467 00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:21,790 Once you get it on it's like a sock. 468 00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:23,630 It's softer. Do not wear this sock list. 469 00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:27,070 I tried that. The the strong material is 470 00:26:27,070 --> 00:26:29,870 pretty scratchy so make sure you wear at least thin socks or 471 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:32,270 normal with socks. There's no heel counters that 472 00:26:32,270 --> 00:26:34,110 work super well for someone like myself. 473 00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:37,470 It's got a sensitive heel but it sits really low against the foot 474 00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:40,470 and honestly I put it on my this is kind of tight I. 475 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:43,060 Don't know to think about this. And then you run, it's like a 476 00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:46,420 sock and you forget about it. I did get a little heel slippage 477 00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:49,700 here, so I did have to lace lock this, which fortunately worked 478 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:51,540 perfect, right? Kind of the first time I have to 479 00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:53,780 lace lock a shoe. And thank goodness Adidas added 480 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:56,620 some additional laces back here, so that really fixed the fit. 481 00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:58,620 I haven't had any major slippage. 482 00:26:59,370 --> 00:27:02,050 I wouldn't try to take a turn really quick in this, but it's 483 00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:04,090 way better than the previous version. 484 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:07,650 So fit true to size. Finally flexible upper that does 485 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:09,570 lock you down if you lock yourself down. 486 00:27:09,730 --> 00:27:14,250 So yeah, nothing too crazy about that than having a really soft 487 00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,210 like upper and no separate tongue. 488 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:19,090 The Mitzel is where things get more interesting. 489 00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:25,170 So the previous version, the Mitzel was super bouncy and not 490 00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:27,690 soft but really bouncy like the Audios Pro 2. 491 00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:33,310 This version, it's not as bouncy unless you're running faster or 492 00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:34,830 putting a lot more force to the ground. 493 00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:37,070 What I'm just running in this *** And normally I was like, 494 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:40,830 this kind of feels almost like a normal soul, like almost like 495 00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:44,230 the Boston, but just taller and broader and more stable. 496 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:47,110 And I was like, that's really interesting. 497 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:51,870 So I've taken it on several easy runs, a long run which is a 498 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:55,390 little bit up tempo and a longer threshold slash tempo effort, 499 00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:58,270 and I really was starting that threshold effort going. 500 00:27:58,390 --> 00:27:59,430 This is not going to go that well. 501 00:27:59,430 --> 00:28:02,670 I'll stay around 650 pace, which is where I am right now. 502 00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:07,990 I'm getting back into shape and it started to cut down. 503 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:09,990 I was doing this on a hilly course and all of a sudden I was 504 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:13,110 running like six 20s, which was my tempo, pace and I'm like. 505 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:18,270 I'm running six 20s in a 11 1/2 ounce shoe, which by the way is 506 00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:21,070 how much my size 10 weighs, so 11 1/2 ounces. 507 00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:24,230 And I'm like, that's interesting And it actually felt pretty 508 00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:27,790 decent. So easy runs up temple runs and 509 00:28:27,790 --> 00:28:31,870 then like marathon pace runs actually feel really good. 510 00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:34,390 In this shoe. It is a little It doesn't feel 511 00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:38,150 as unnatural as something like the original Primex Strong 512 00:28:38,150 --> 00:28:40,590 because this is light enough where it's like, whoa, like this 513 00:28:40,590 --> 00:28:43,700 should not. Feel this bouncy and this light, 514 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,540 but it does. This one felt more ground. 515 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:50,020 It's probably not the right word, but it just feels kind of 516 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:53,460 more relatively natural because it's not as bouncy. 517 00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:55,540 But when you start putting force on the ground, if you have this 518 00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:58,020 much Light Strike Pro, you're going to get some bounce. 519 00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:59,420 And it actually feels pretty good. 520 00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:02,980 Super smooth, right? Again, for me this is very 521 00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:06,140 similar to the Audios Pro 2 and it it. 522 00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:07,900 The bevel works really, really well. 523 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,660 I'll talk stability there and then. 524 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,420 It doesn't feel as stiff through the forefoot. 525 00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:15,820 So there's now 2 carbon fiber rods instead of, sorry, plates, 526 00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:18,180 I'm sorry, instead of the rods and plates that you saw in the 527 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:20,700 previous versions. It just feels a little more 528 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,900 natural and it's got a little wider based. 529 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,420 So it just it it rolls much nicer for me. 530 00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:27,580 And I think that's also because this to me fits a little more 531 00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:30,060 true to size than the other ones, which this feels slightly 532 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,060 long. So it feels like kind of like. 533 00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:34,110 Hitting the end of the shoe. So that's why it felt a lot 534 00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:36,430 smoother to me. Nathan mentioned it felt super 535 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:38,390 stiff to him, so I'm super curious to get his review on 536 00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:40,630 this stuff. But from a ride perspective, 537 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:47,110 yeah, it it's a super tall shoe that that can get into kind of 538 00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:50,070 longer workout paces. It's a phenomenal long run shoe 539 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:51,910 for sure. It can handle some easy paces, 540 00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:55,590 but it doesn't feel as crazy unless you're like me who wore 0 541 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:59,510 shoes all day while teaching and then came and then went and ran 542 00:29:59,510 --> 00:30:01,590 in this and I was like whoa, that was a little weird, but. 543 00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:05,030 Outside of that, easy paces don't feel crazy like a lot of 544 00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:08,390 super shoes do, and I think that's partially goes the way 545 00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:11,550 and maybe a couple other things. But yeah, it just feels good. 546 00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:15,630 So if you want a long run shoe that can handle up temple work, 547 00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:18,630 If you want just a super tall shoe that can handle a little 548 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:21,860 faster efforts. This is going to be a solid 549 00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:23,300 choice. You just have to know it's 300 550 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:27,220 bucks, it's very expensive. It's been durable, 30 miles, 551 00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:29,300 nowhere at all. So I will take this as far as it 552 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:30,980 will go. As far as the Super Blast did, 553 00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:33,660 which I have 200 miles on that one and that has, I'm still 554 00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:36,020 haven't worth the outsole, so definitely worth the money on 555 00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:37,820 that one, but we'll have to see with this. 556 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:40,860 The other thing I want to talk about is combination of ride 557 00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:43,570 instability. This shoe is so different from 558 00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:47,810 the prime mix strong one because this you see how narrow the soul 559 00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:50,610 is, especially the mid foot. It was like I was I had to feel 560 00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:53,970 like I had to work so hard at anything but up tempo paces 561 00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:56,410 because of how it felt unstable and wobbly. 562 00:30:56,930 --> 00:31:00,730 This doesn't feel wobbly at all. Super wide base even through the 563 00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:03,610 mid foot there. The four foot is super wide 564 00:31:03,610 --> 00:31:06,290 here. The other components that I 565 00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:09,890 haven't seen mentioned at all, but I can definitely feel so. 566 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,920 Like the audio is Pro 2, this lateral bevel is so intense it 567 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760 almost creates a wedge. So this is flat. 568 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,160 If you land back here, the midsole is cut. 569 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320 So for those who need medial stability, this actually might 570 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,280 work really well for you. Which is why I was like, why the 571 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,440 heck is this working so well? For mechanics, I need some 572 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,320 stability immediately. It works well. 573 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,120 If you have some lateral stability issues, this might not 574 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,040 work as well because you're at the heel because you're getting 575 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,840 pushed this direction. So for me it works really well. 576 00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:42,810 For other lateral stability might not work well. 577 00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:46,090 So people that really like the Audios Pro 2 and the heel, this 578 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:48,090 might work really well. It is way more stable though 579 00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:51,490 than that shoe. Once I got to the mid foot again 580 00:31:51,690 --> 00:31:56,770 it didn't bother me and there is pretty solid and I this this pro 581 00:31:56,770 --> 00:31:59,730 foam feels a little stiffer than the last version at least here 582 00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:00,850 and I'll talk about that in a second. 583 00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:04,170 The side walls actually work really well and they kind of go 584 00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:08,330 mildly from the heel to the mid foot, so plus the wedge feeling. 585 00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:10,650 It's actually got some medial stability. 586 00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:13,090 And the final piece about this is there's this extra bit of 587 00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:16,490 material here that's not on the lateral side that further raises 588 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:18,250 the medial side. So if you kind of need a little 589 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:22,370 medial wedge, this surprisingly might work really, really well 590 00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:23,810 for you. And that's something I was very 591 00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:26,650 surprised about. So just know if you have lateral 592 00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:29,210 stability issues, this might not be the best option for you until 593 00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:31,850 you get to the forefoot. If you need that in the heel, 594 00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:33,650 this actually is going to work really well. 595 00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:36,210 So, like a borderline stability shoe. 596 00:32:36,730 --> 00:32:38,970 Based on how this is being set up, even with the tall stack 597 00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:40,410 height, so just be aware of that. 598 00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:43,530 You know you've also got the Ritz, it's very, very stiff. 599 00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:45,730 Nathan was right, it is a really stiff shoe, especially the mid 600 00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:47,730 foot. So if you need that, it's going 601 00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:50,850 to make it really stable. This didn't work as well, at 602 00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:53,610 least for me because the stiffness and the platform was 603 00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:55,330 so narrow it couldn't compensate for that. 604 00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:58,810 This being the platform being so wide actually works really, 605 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:01,570 really well. So I'm very impressed and it's 606 00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:04,250 going to work again really well for those that need medial 607 00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:06,170 stuff, not maybe so good for lateral. 608 00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:10,180 And that actually continues into the forefoot where I was looking 609 00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:12,620 at this going, wow, this feels really great to toe off from. 610 00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:16,100 Like it almost feels too good for me because I also need a 611 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,140 little 4 foot stability on the medial side. 612 00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:22,140 And I was like so as I was looking at this again. 613 00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:26,420 Very different shoes between the two of these where you don't 614 00:33:26,420 --> 00:33:28,980 have a lot of soul flair in the Primex one. 615 00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:32,580 In the Primex 2 you got a lot going on to the medial side and 616 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:37,460 I might be crazy, but it almost looks like the four foot rocker 617 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,300 actually goes a little bit lateral and not as much medial. 618 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,980 So when I'm trying to roll this on the ground, it's much easier 619 00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:47,020 to go off lateral as I tow off through this, like as I'm just 620 00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:50,020 like playing with it on the ground as it is to go medial. 621 00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:52,500 So I kind of suspect there's a little bit more built up. 622 00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:56,220 On the medial side, at least from how from a guidance 623 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:57,820 perspective, you're getting guided a little loudly. 624 00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:01,620 So if you have trouble going too far this way, this might be a 625 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:03,620 little problem. If you need some, a little bit 626 00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:06,220 of subtle forefoot stability just from a little guided like a 627 00:34:06,220 --> 00:34:09,300 little more material on the medial side, this is actually 628 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,739 going to work really well. So I did not expect this. 629 00:34:11,739 --> 00:34:13,940 I was expecting to go, this is going to be a cool shoe. 630 00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:16,820 I'm glad you just ascending this to us, but I'm probably going to 631 00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:18,780 die wearing this and then I've worn it and I'm like. 632 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:21,699 Holy moly, this actually feels really good as somebody who 633 00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:25,139 needs a little medial stability and again, a warning for those 634 00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:28,100 that don't need that this might be an issue. 635 00:34:28,219 --> 00:34:30,620 So for those of us that need stability or have neutral 636 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:31,980 mechanics, maybe it's going to be good. 637 00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:34,100 Those go 2 lateral, we'll have to see. 638 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,100 So that's what was most surprising. 639 00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,820 You've got just summarize what feels like that medial like the 640 00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:42,219 lateral wedge or medial wedge where it's pushed up. 641 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:46,540 You got the extra material here from this little band that 642 00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:49,679 you're sitting. Again, in this position where 643 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,760 the foot's inverted, the heel is inverted a little bit. 644 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,159 If you land there even at the forefoot, you're kind of getting 645 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,160 a little bit more lateral guidance through there. 646 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,760 So again, a lot of surprising medial stability. 647 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,320 Not aggressive in a post kind of way, adding the stiffness, but. 648 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,040 It works really well. So if that's especially 649 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,480 something that you tend to fatigue with, which I can notice 650 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,280 on long runs, I'm like, why am I not feeling as bad? 651 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,920 I haven't done many long runs and getting up into that 652 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,640 mileage, I'm like, I'm feeling good. 653 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,160 Why is this so just super different and super interesting 654 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,680 to me about how this is going? The last thing I'm really 655 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:32,270 interested in is the fact that there are three foams. 3 656 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:35,710 versions of Light Strike Pro here and they didn't do a great 657 00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:38,030 job of talking about this. They just kind of subtly 658 00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:42,070 mentioned this but three layers and here you got the top layer 659 00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:45,350 is your classic Audios pro. For your not Audios pro, your 660 00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:48,030 your Light Strike Pro. Here the the bottom layer is 661 00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:50,750 pretty classic Light Strike pro, but then you have this middle 662 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:53,870 layer that they didn't talk about that is super soft. 663 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200 And there's apparently another wedge of it in the heel in 664 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,960 centrally in the heel as well, which also might be again when 665 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,400 you have even with Light Strike Pro, if you have a softer 666 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,280 midsole in the center with firmer foam around it, that's 667 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040 actually really great guidance wise because you're going to 668 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560 sink in rather than going lateral medial. 669 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,080 So another piece there. This is very soft and. 670 00:36:16,540 --> 00:36:20,180 I'm really curious about this density of light Strike Pro and 671 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:23,060 if we're going to see this more in other shoes because it's 672 00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,380 totally different. It's the softest variation that 673 00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:29,460 I have felt of any of these and actually feels really good to 674 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:31,940 land farther forward because you get just a little bit more 675 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:33,700 bounce off the forefoot than the heel. 676 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:36,540 Maybe it's just the amount of foam that's the yet a little 677 00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:38,620 less of this in the heel compared to upfront, but I'm 678 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:41,500 just it's so soft and I I asked Saucony about this, remember 679 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:43,660 having a conversation. But I'm sure cute, super cute as 680 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,500 bi mechanically and engineering wise. 681 00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:50,620 How 3 foams of different densities interact when you land 682 00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:53,260 right? How does the shoe interact and 683 00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:55,260 then how does your body interact with that? 684 00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:56,700 Because I'm trying to go what we know. 685 00:36:56,940 --> 00:37:00,140 A lot of the Super shoes out there have two densities of 686 00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:02,420 foams, like a top layer and a bottom layer. 687 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:04,660 It's the same material, just different densities. 688 00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:08,980 And you know, a single layer that versus 2 layers are really 689 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:12,300 curious because I don't know the answer, but the inner part. 690 00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:15,790 Like having a centralized super soft between two, slightly 691 00:37:15,790 --> 00:37:17,070 firmer. This is not firm by the way, but 692 00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:19,590 two slightly firmer versions. I'm just curious how your body 693 00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:23,390 reacts to that. So I don't know, but it's a 694 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:25,870 really solid shoe, but it's different. 695 00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:29,790 In summary of this, this is no longer the Super racing shoe 696 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:34,030 that are the crazy super illegal racing shoe that this was. 697 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:36,350 I don't think anybody's going to be running a 209 like 2. 698 00:37:36,350 --> 00:37:40,080 What was it, 209 to 11? In this like they were in this. 699 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,040 But I think a lot of people are going to be having some 700 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,400 excellent long runs and it's it's more of a training shoe now 701 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,440 than it is racing. It can handle workouts Like I 702 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,680 said marathon efforts longer up. Temple efforts are phenomenal in 703 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680 this shoe but it's now more versatile into the slower 704 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,200 efforts where it feels comfortable doing easy runs. 705 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,520 This did not feel good doing easy runs. 706 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,120 This one did. I don't even know why they call 707 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,040 this the Primax strung too. They probably should have called 708 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,810 this a different shoe. Outside of the strong upper 709 00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:14,090 because at least like could not other than some of the specs, 710 00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:17,690 they couldn't be more different. It does make it more usable for 711 00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:20,410 someone like me, but you're going to, you're going to lose 712 00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:24,570 some of that faster bounce that the original versions had. 713 00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:26,290 So if you like that, great. If you didn't like that and 714 00:38:26,290 --> 00:38:28,330 you're like disappointed, felt too unstable, you're going to 715 00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:32,930 die in it and you got some cash. This might be an interesting 716 00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:37,930 option and is really reframe my mind on what like. 717 00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:42,410 How abnormal some of these shoes can feel when they start getting 718 00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:44,650 these sackites. So I got to give Adidas credit. 719 00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:47,370 They've made a lot of changes. There are some things, there's a 720 00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:49,570 lot of things to this shoe that's going to really polarize 721 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:51,090 people. Some people are going to, like 722 00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:52,610 me, are probably going to really love it. 723 00:38:52,610 --> 00:38:55,410 Other people are going to hate it because it's going to be so 724 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:59,330 different and not have the same feel that the original 2 725 00:38:59,330 --> 00:39:01,170 versions have. And if you don't like that, go 726 00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:03,690 find these on sale, right? It's 300 bucks on sale. 727 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:07,970 That's a great deal. And yeah, so. 728 00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:11,210 I'm trying to figure out whether I want to comment on durability. 729 00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:13,730 I have 30 miles on this shoe and 30 miles on this one. 730 00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:17,610 The outsoles look great. I have heard some people rip off 731 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:21,410 this small piece on these ones. I'm not worried about this like 732 00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:23,730 that. My Audience Pro 3 lasted really 733 00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:26,250 well for me. For me, right. 734 00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:29,530 So I'm expecting to get a lot of miles, but I will get back to 735 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:31,890 you on the durability of this. I'm going to keep training on 736 00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:32,890 it. I'm going to get 100 miles 737 00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:35,650 pretty quick, but I'm just really curious to see. 738 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,500 Not only where they keep going, but how this shoe changes over 739 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,140 time. So again, appreciate listening 740 00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:43,980 to me kind of ramble. I hopes there are something, 741 00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:45,620 maybe learn something you're like, oh, maybe that's a shoe 742 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:48,700 for me or it's not a shoe for me based on some of the biases in 743 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,620 the soul. But also please let me know what 744 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:54,940 you think. What do you think happens when? 745 00:39:55,530 --> 00:39:57,970 You have multiple densities of foams and you land, right? 746 00:39:58,130 --> 00:40:01,330 How do you think the shoe shoe reacts to that in terms of bio, 747 00:40:01,330 --> 00:40:03,530 mechanically, how do you think your body might react to it? 748 00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:05,610 And obviously the answer is it depends on the person. 749 00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:09,490 But I'm just super curious if you know what you think and what 750 00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:11,250 you think of this shoe, Are you excited for it? 751 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:13,810 Are you terrified of it like I was originally? 752 00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:16,370 Are you interested in it? Is something on your bucket 753 00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:18,930 list, Is it not? Against 300 bucks that's really 754 00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:21,820 expensive, but. Yeah, time will tell like the 755 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:23,900 Super blast if it's worth it. So I will get back to you on 756 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:26,340 whether it's worth it or not and get tons of miles in this for 757 00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:30,020 right now. That's my thoughts on the Adidas 758 00:40:30,020 --> 00:40:32,580 Primex Strung 2. We will have a written review 759 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:37,660 out that's going to be a little less all over the place like 760 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:39,580 this one was cuz I appreciate you just listening to my 761 00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:41,090 thoughts. But we'll get the full written 762 00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:43,130 review out and we'll get some updates on it and we'll get some 763 00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:46,250 reviews from Nathan and Andrea who also have this. 764 00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:48,770 So stay tuned. You'll find us on all the social 765 00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:52,130 media sites. As usual, Bach is a social media 766 00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:54,690 wizard that does a great job of getting information out there 767 00:40:54,690 --> 00:40:56,610 and adding his own. We really appreciate you 768 00:40:56,610 --> 00:40:59,010 listening as always. We hope this is helpful and hope 769 00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:07,690 you learn something or at least make you think a little bit.