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Hey everyone, and welcome to 

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Doctors of Running podcasts 
where we a group of doctors of 

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physical therapy, talk about the
art and the science of the 

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things that we're on our feet 
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I am beyond pumped and hyped up 
to have a very, very special 

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guest who I originally got to 
like obviously know of course, 

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who Juana is, but we first got 
to meet at Running warehouse get

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together and had a phenomenal 10
mile run together that I will 

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never forget and had a 
phenomenal time. 

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So as obviously represent, we 
have Juana on the podcast. 

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You want to thank you so much 
for coming on. 

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We really appreciate it. 
Thanks for having me. 

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I think what the people need to 
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supposed to be what, a four or 
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But both you and your wife are 
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couldn't just stop at 4 or 6 
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We had to get the full 10 in. 
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after that? 
Gosh, yeah, We did the like 

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uphill. 
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Yeah, Was it supposed to be? 
It was like supposed to be a run

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and then it just turned into a 
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It was supposed to be a race, 
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Connor from running your house, 
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It was fun. 
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Yeah, I was pretty wrecked the 
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The mileage With some mileage, 
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I I will defend my wife that 
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mine. 
I literally did that to her this

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morning. 
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George Fox comes and runs with 
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mile run and it turned into a 
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marathon and his longest run 
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So that is my fault, but. 
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me too when I first met. 
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Yeah, drag David out of 
retirement ran so far, but this 

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is not about us. 
This is about you. 

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So we're super excited to have 
you on. 

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We're going to do one of our buy
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that episode where we get to see
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I'm hoping some for some 
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disagreements and just yeah, 
let's let's get this out of the 

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way. 
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back to your starting because 
now you've blown up. 

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You're doing phenomenal. 
If if you have not, and I don't 

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think if you've been living 
under a rock, you should go 

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check out the channel where 
you've done this phenomenal in 

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depth look. 
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as a runner, but you've 
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reviewer. 
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the most in depth reviews out 
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So it's super fun to have you 
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But how did all of this get 
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How did you start? 
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How do you start with Supwell? 
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about how that began. 
I appreciate it man. 

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Those are kind words from the 
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Doctors are running as you guys 
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But this all started for me from
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That's how I came into running. 
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That's how I came into 
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So 5-6 years ago, I was in a 
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of college, 3-4 years out of 
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wanted to have, and it wasn't 
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I played basketball in lacrosse 
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health and fitness regimen. 
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You know, we had had our first 
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eating better and slowly started
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companies like Nerd Wallet and 
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but for health products. 
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mortgages, not as nearly as 
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for some of these other, other 
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time or not full time, but daily
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posting every day. 
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daily habit, whether it was for 
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a food journal every day. 
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day because for me that's the 
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being committed to it every day.
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have 500 followers, we have 1000
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And what I've learned is, man, 
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Who cares? 
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rebel V5. 
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to come out. 
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I'm like, dude, it didn't even 
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But yeah, that's that's how the 
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away every day at the the 
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from a place of just really 
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share what it's done for me in 
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And I think what a lot of people
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space where it's not about how 
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what shoes you have, though a 
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the channel, like me, have way 
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It's just about having fun with 
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getting something out of this 
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about, is just purely about fun 
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me little bits about that, but I
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again and make it make sure that
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that you've gone through to not 
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community around it, but also 
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habits that you created and the 
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I give a shout out to this and I
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end of the episode to call this 
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the app, the marketplace, all 
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the people that are are 
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People are going to hate you for
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shoes are expensive. 
Not everybody can afford the 

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200, and so they have a place 
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this, I've got full mileage. 
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cycle is really awesome as a 
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will admit this and people have 
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hunter and find things and 
lightly put like occasionally 

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find prototypes and then buy 
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like, why did dude don't stop? 
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can actually do something and 
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which is expensive, right? 
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cheaper. 
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about that actually in a little 
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sure that everybody still has 
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important. 
So I want to give you massive 

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kudos because it is not a light 
undertaking to manage something 

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like that. 
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So Speaking of which, can you 
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subwell team? 
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Yeah, yeah, for sure, man. 
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So we have three people on the 
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about a year. 
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He did our logo and also the 
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So what you see on the hat and 
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by trade. 
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And he hit me up about a year 
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some designs and say, hey, I 
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the spirit of your channel and 
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that turned into to this January
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now it's what you see on the 
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And he's also we're working on 
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the OR the summer merch. 
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So that's been awesome. 
He's up in Toronto. 

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We also have Grant who's 
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He's down in Texas. 
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and he's about to go for a sub 
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Meredith, who she's been a long 
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She has a son who's in college 
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So website, we're trying to get 
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Like we talked about. 
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channels is huge. 
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just another way because I know 
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hour long video. 
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on the the website as well. 
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database on the website. 
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about this, but you can go and 
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and what Meredith has been 
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is just making sure that anytime
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one of the team members for the 
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YouTube, we just get it up on 
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And then we can also go through 
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get matched with the shoe for 
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looking for. 
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positivity because our history, 
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are phenomenal human beings, do 
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reached out, but both of them 
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I think it was Bach going your 
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Like, can I help you? 
And then BJ was like, your audio

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is hot garbage. 
Please let me help you as both 

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fans. 
And it was like, thank you. 

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Both you guys were amazing. 
So yes, it's funny how this this

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works out, but super happy that 
you have an incredible team and 

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that the website and the 
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people we people obviously need 
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And I've actually been was 
thinking about you earlier this 

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morning going, I wonder if we 
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combining some stuff. 
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because the database has a lot 
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We have our niche of talking 
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and stuff like that. 
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great to interloop and go, hey, 
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we might be considering 
referencing it and going might 

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as well work together because 
the whole point is having people

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have fun, staying healthy, 
enjoying this. 

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And so yeah, it's been fun. 
It was very fun to meet you and 

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kind of still fun to have a 
little bit of background 

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information between what we get 
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So it's cool and we'll hopefully
keep connecting as with this 

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episode. 
So are we, are you 2 ready? 

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So are we ready to jump in and 
do a buy or sell episode that 

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I'm hoping gets a little hot? 
I'm so ready. 

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Sweet and I hopefully this is 
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watching that I have recorded in
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get BJ on to go BJ. 
Is the sound going to be good? 

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interesting. 
But let's jump in. 

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So we're going to do our first 
buy or sell for those who are 

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new listening to this the buy or
sell episodes. 

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We're going to present a topic 
and both you wanna and David 

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have not really seen these. 
I kept this somewhat hidden. 

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I develop these Bach and I 
usually develop this stuff. 

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Bach gets a lot of the credit 
for this for coming up with 

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interest net. 
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hey, essentially is do I vote 
for this or not? 

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Or do I do I want this or not? 
Do I buy or sell it? 

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And but you have to have a 
reason. 

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So we're hoping that we have 
some disagreements. 

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So our first buy or sell episode
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first go for it is buy or sell. 
Companies should make less 

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shoes. 
No sell, sell. 

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All right, what's the reason? 
OK, this is the thing, right? 

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People get so up in arms about 
shoes are too expensive, there 

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are too many shoes on the 
market. 

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No, just buy the shoe that works
for you. 

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Don't worry about everything 
else. 

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And the other thing is more 
competition is always going to 

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be good. 
So yeah, Nike can have the 

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Pegasus, the Pegasus Premium, 
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Balance is the Rebel. 
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the Ghost. 
All these brands have multiple 

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shoes, even some in the same 
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And if you look at what ASICS is
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offender or maybe the best for 
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because they have 17 different 
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I think they have, what, 3 shoes
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the Cumulus, the Nova Blast in 
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category. 
Yeah, so GT2000, OK, there we 

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go. 4 right around $510 
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So just buy the one that's going
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And the person who buys the GT 
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buys the Nova Blast. 
Nobody's pulling up to Bandit 

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Run Club in the GT2000. 
I do. 

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I was kidding. 
Yeah, I wasn't saying that was. 

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Shoes. 
Shoes of the year last year. 

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Maybe just Dave and I are just 
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Need the doctors of running XA. 
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And the Lab on that colorway, 
we'll throw the glamour shots up

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on IG with some Rick Ross in the
background play. 

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I know ASIC, so like you guys 
want to collab. 

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Do you want what do you want to 
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Nova blast you want to do like 
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what? 
Let's do Keanu What, David, what

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do you think? 
Yeah, You know, I'm a fan of 

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options. 
I think anytime you can have 

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more things on the market for 
more people, it's always a good 

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thing. 
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they should make less shoes. 
So then I'm a sell. 

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Yeah, Yeah, I'm a sell. 
I'm a big fan of options and 

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even within the same company, 
just because like they have a 

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certain last or a certain 
principle, like it's always good

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to have a couple of different 
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We've seen this even with 
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they've started to diversify a 
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And I think it can only be good 
for them because there's certain

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people that like, oh, I can't 
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XYZ. 
Well, here's another option and 

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a slightly different geometry 
and a different fit, and maybe 

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this will work for you. 
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to find something that works for
you within pretty much every 

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company on the market now at 
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I'm going to, I agree with both 
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sell on this, that from a 
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more options is a good thing as 
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educated. 
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challenge with this is people 
can get overwhelmed. 

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Like back in my day, 15 plus, oh
man, that's been 1520 years 

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since I was working and running 
stores. 

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It was a lot more simple. 
You had your like basic your 

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your standard neutral shoe, your
standard stability shoe. 

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You had your standard premium 
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shoe. 
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you maybe had one trail shoe and
there weren't as many companies,

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so there weren't as many 
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And if things didn't work for 
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tough luck. 
You got to just deal with it and

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the aches and act like, you 
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running in something that may 
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exactly. 
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And so now that we have lots of 
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hey, can I figure out? 
And that's what again, all of us

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sitting here are all trying to 
educate people on what's going 

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to work best for you. 
Let's be honest, what these 

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shoes actually do. 
Let's cut through the marketing 

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and go, how is this fitting? 
How might who might it work for?

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So we have a lot more options 
now and a lot more niche things.

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Yes, it can get overwhelming, 
but that's where you know, we 

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also have a lot more reviewers 
putting out some good 

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information that hopefully 
should make, if you use your 

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resources should be better. 
I'm curious to know if any of it

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when this gets up on YouTube, if
anybody in the industry is 

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willing to share with us whether
this is good for companies. 

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Because from my understanding, 
sometimes when you have a ton of

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product, at the end of the day, 
you you do need to move that 

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product. 
If you do not sell it and sell 

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it sits in a warehouse or it 
goes to some company and they 

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send it back to you like you got
to move that. 

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So I wonder if is it good that 
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products you can move or is it 
now you have a greater volume of

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stuff and if stuff doesn't go, 
you're like, oh, I got a dump. 

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The economics I'm not an expert 
in, but I think from a consumer 

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standpoint, because I think 
consumers are smarter than they 

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ever have been because people 
are just more savvy, more 

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information. 
I think it's absolutely a great 

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thing. 
So absolutely a sell. 

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Yeah, you can look at Nikes 
financial reports and stock over

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the past few years to tell you 
it's not a good thing because 

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having so many options and just 
looking at this is what I say 

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when the Pegasus comes out or 
Pegasus Plus, do not buy them at

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full price because in six months
you'll be able to get whatever 

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old colorway for nearly 50% off.
Yeah, Nike Adidas. 

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Yeah, Nike, Adidas. 
You could. 

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There's various places you can 
find either there's tons of Nike

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outlets or you'll find the same 
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And I'm going to say this, I'm 
going to contract with them. 

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There's several like eBay sites 
and things like that where they 

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just have an entire like eBay 
page where they just things just

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go on sale for old colorway. 
And I Snoop there all the time 

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going what shoe can I find? 
Or do they accidentally put up a

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new shoe that wasn't supposed to
be out yet and I could grab it 

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really quick? 
And yeah, so I'll have to check 

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that. 
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So eBay there. 
I don't know if Nike has one, 

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but Adidas has one. 
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where they send their product 
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they try to figure out where to 
try to get rid of it. 

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So right. 
One man, that was pretty, that 

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was pretty consistent between 
us, right? 

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Yeah, I was going to say one 
last thing before. 

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Darn. 
Before we. 

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Move on. 
The I think the marketing is 

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where it gets confusing though, 
because if you look at the copy 

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and just how brands are 
positioning them, it's not 

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always clear what the 
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different products a brand has. 
Not everything can be the most 

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cushioned lightweight. 
Even if you look at for example,

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something like the Nimbus and 
the Glide ride versus the 

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Cumulus, the way that the brands
are talking about them are all 

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very similar. 
And then to your point, it can 

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be confusing for the consumer 
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It's also confusing with me when
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and maybe, again, this might be 
individual. 

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So that take this Comet with the
greatest salt that, you know, 

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you have what was supposed to be
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The highly cushioned shoe ends 
up being firm. 

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Like the Nimbus. 
I love it because it's on. 

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It's like weirdly firm. 
It's a little more responsive, 

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like, and that makes it more 
stable for me. 

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But a lot of people are like, 
what? 

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What's going on with this? 
So yeah, you know, I totally 

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agree with you on that. 
All right, ready. 

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Disagree on this next time. 
All right, buy or sell. 

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We should stop making Eva based 
shoes. 

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We should stop making Eva 
issues. 

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So David Goble yeah, I mean, 
especially as these more new 

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foams, these proprietary 
midsoles, like all these like 

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advanced kind of next level 
materials are coming out, all 

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these new shoe designs. 
Like we kind of say that shoes 

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kind of keep getting more 
expensive. 

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But there's these other 
materials that have been around 

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forever that are easy to kind of
fabricate and make and and scale

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really. 
And they can have like how we've

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seen in some of the big box 
stores with things like Big 5 or

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Dicks or like we've kind of like
viewed a lot of these shoes, 

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like quote UN quote budget 
shoes. 

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But when you look at what was a 
really good shoe just a few 

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years ago, you know, that was 
Eva. 

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Like why can't that lion stay 
around and just take? 

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Yeah, it's like very nice shoe 
20. 20s put some respect on the 

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ship there like. 
Yeah, the ship series was good. 

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And it's like why can't you just
like discount that? 

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Like if it's easy for you to 
replicate, like maybe you mark 

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it down from like when it was 
140 down to like maybe 1-10 and 

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all of the other new stuff stays
at 150 plus or whatever. 

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But it gives everyone an option 
to have what they used to like 

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and kind of a lineage to follow 
that is cost effective for the 

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consumer as well, even if they 
don't want, you know, the latest

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and greatest. 
So that's a long winded way of 

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saying, yeah, keep Eva around. 
I think there is still a place 

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for it. 
Yuana, what do you think? 

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So I agree, I actually think 
supercritical Eva is one of the 

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best training foams out there. 
If you look at shoes like the 

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Bondi 9, if you look at shoes 
like the Brooks goes Max 2, 

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Supercritical Eva, it has good 
balance. 

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It has good impact absorption. 
It's not the lightest, but it 

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feels really good for running 
that you're making a face, 

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you're making a face and you 
explain the face before I can 

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continue to stay. 
Yeah, this guy makes. 

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Faces No, I just I really 
disliked the two shoes. 

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I did not like the Bondi and. 
Just. 

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Say, say, Mizuno wave Neil 
Guster. 

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He. 
Hated the ghost Max. 

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I. 
Disliked the ghost Max too so 

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much. 
Some of the bio mechanists at 

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Brooks when they e-mail me will 
add tag lines making fun of me 

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for it like I'm going to share. 
Evan. 

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I love Evan Day, who is 
hilarious and a phenomenal human

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being. 
And biomechanists up at Brooks 

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sent me an e-mail and his 
tagline was, I hope this e-mail 

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finds you better than the heel 
bubble of the Brooks Max too, 

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which is like Evan, like if you 
listen to this legendary, 

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legendary comments. 
So yeah, that's why I'm making 

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faces. 
But I didn't like. 

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That I love that the OG Ghost 
Max that's the legend in the 

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hobby driver community too. 
That's the the dad drip 5000. 

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I love that I've actually have a
pair of those just sitting on 

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ice so I can pull it out. 
Maybe I'll save it for a wedding

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in the future or something. 
But yeah, Eva, I'm a fan. 

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It's just to Davis point here, 
you can't be pricing these Eva 

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shoes at 170 a $190.00. 
That's where you can start 

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having some efficiencies, even 
Hokamak X2 for example, which I 

449
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love. 
I did a revisit of that recently

450
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,120
and I didn't actually talk about
this in the video, but $190.00 

451
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:41,800
for a shoe that has a full 
bottom layer of Eva in 2025 is 

452
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280
that's a tough sell. 
It is an awesome shoe, but 

453
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800
that's one of the benefits of 
putting in a more standard foam.

454
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,640
You can lower the price and have
it be more accessible because 

455
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,200
190 that puts it Dang near close
to a race shoe price. 

456
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,360
You have Puma DV8 Nitro elite 
340 bucks more, which is one of 

457
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,520
the best ratio, if not the best 
ratio out. 

458
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,160
So keep the Eva, lower the 
price. 

459
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,520
Those are both good points and 
I'm I'm going to say this and be

460
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,200
a little bit you don't want to 
go for it. 

461
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,840
I'm actually kind of now I'm 
going to let me clarify this. 

462
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:18,960
Now remember the Neo Vista? 
That's not normal, Eva, No, no. 

463
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,840
But it's a super critical Eva. 
It's an Eva, it's an Eva. 

464
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,800
So before you, before you say it
is that thing is, remember that.

465
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,640
That thing is not. 
Good it is. 

466
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,440
That's fair. 
And there's some shoes that we 

467
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,760
can't talk about yet that have 
just blown me away. 

468
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,920
And so although we haven't 
confirmed if it's if that's 

469
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,640
actually the Eva, but yeah, for 
those that don't know, I got, 

470
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,520
I've been made fun of endlessly 
because I thought the Vista, 

471
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,960
what Neo Vista from Zuno was 
some kind of peeba. 

472
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,600
And apparently it's like what? 
Like a super critical Eva. 

473
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,120
It's like expanded. 
Yeah. 

474
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,080
Yeah. 
So OK, let me say this. 

475
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,880
Like the Super critical expanded
Eva is to this point, I I think 

476
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,080
are awesome. 
Should they still be priced at 

477
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,760
like the one 9200? 
I don't think so, no, but I 

478
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,760
think the pure Eva shoes as like
standard trainers. 

479
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,600
Were you charging like you want 
to like you said like 140 

480
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,960
hundred 50 or like 190. 
I'm I'm a buy on like the pure 

481
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,000
unaltered Eva midsoles, which 
that I mean that term doesn't 

482
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,280
exist anymore on having those 
not be in the mainstream running

483
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,040
shoes. 
I think it'd be fine. 

484
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,800
Like do some of the budget 
options, bring stuff back like 

485
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,080
things like that. 
But I am buy with like just pure

486
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:33,200
Eva midsoles and certain people 
do and yeah, they are little 

487
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,120
blends. 
Nothing's pure anymore. 

488
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,520
Everybody blends it. 
But like to your point, when 

489
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,680
they're doing something that's 
like 190 bucks and it's like, 

490
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,800
dude, you guys like in this, in 
this world when we have access 

491
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,400
to these many phones, you got 
shoes that are 100. 

492
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,000
And 50 bucks monster hyper the. 
The Cloud Monster Hyper you have

493
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,680
well, that's that's expensive. 
Yeah, that's 220. 

494
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,040
But that's also like a thick 
slab of people. 

495
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,800
You have something. 
Like it's a good shoe but it's 

496
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,840
2:20. 
It's similar to mock X2. 

497
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,120
Crazy. 
When you have the Evo SL, that's

498
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,080
a 150 bucks with the midsole 
that they have and just like 

499
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,720
design like OK, we can, we can 
do better. 

500
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Yes, it's from a DDCS. 
They have the economic power to 

501
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,440
pump something out like that and
it's done super well. 

502
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240
But I just think from a, I'm 
adding an asterisk. 

503
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,440
I think from a pricing 
perspective, I do think we 

504
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,800
should stop making them as part 
of the standard performance 

505
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,840
running thing and then maybe 
change some of them unless 

506
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,280
somebody can prove me wrong on 
that at least full like some of 

507
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,680
the the blended mid soles where 
you have like EBA plus super 

508
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,640
foam like the Hurricanes done 
for example, which I haven't 

509
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,720
tested 25 yet, but that's fine. 
But the dual. 

510
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,880
Foam is so good. 
That's the easiest way to make a

511
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,640
good shoe. 
I think that's fine, but a pure 

512
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,760
Eva just normal, non super 
critical, non blended foam. 

513
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320
I'm definitely I'm a buy on that
to be honest. 

514
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,200
Follow up question, what's the 
cheapest shoe you've tested this

515
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,280
year? 
Have you, have you gone 

516
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,280
windflow? 
Have you gone Propel? 

517
00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,800
We went launch. 
Which one? 

518
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,360
Brooke, David. 
Launch. 

519
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,680
Launch was that one that's more 
expensive now. 

520
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,720
More expensive? 
Is it 120 now? 

521
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Yeah, I think it's more. 
Than 110 one 10120. 

522
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,920
David, you tested the Nike? 
Oh no, dude, the Nike. 

523
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,720
Yeah, fly. 
How can I forget? 

524
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,040
That's dude, let's go. 
That shit was I did. 

525
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,320
Actually have that sitting in a 
box. 

526
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,160
Yeah, it's actually yeah, dude. 
So I was. 

527
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,080
I love it for work. 
I was at a Nike outlet at least 

528
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,600
at the one in Woodburn, which by
the way, I'm going to call the 

529
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,680
Woodburn outlet out that it's 
not actually that discount. 

530
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,680
It's like 10 duck bucks off. 
Like you can find that cheaper 

531
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,880
online. 
But I tried on the Rival and the

532
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,000
wind flow and both of them were 
pretty solid. 

533
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,720
But the hyper speed too. 
But the wind flow is it's weird.

534
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,920
How much does it cost now? 
It's gotten more expensive. 1:30

535
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
right? 
That used to be like a $7080 

536
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,160
shoe not that long ago. 
Like you could find it for 60 

537
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,760
bucks. 
But yes, Windflow is also pretty

538
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,680
solid. 
But 115 what? 

539
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,440
1:15 for the special edition, 
105 for the standard. 

540
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Oh my gosh, yeah. 
So that I didn't officially 

541
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,640
write it up, but I I did run 
around and it was actually 

542
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,720
pretty impressed for what it 
did. 

543
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,160
But I think we've also got the 
Hyper speed rivals, so we've had

544
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,960
a couple of those. 
What's the cheapest one that 

545
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,200
you've tested? 
We had the X tap 1:00, not that 

546
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,960
that was, but that was last year
though, but that was that 

547
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,360
retailed around 80 I think. 
Wow, yeah, I've done Propel that

548
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:28,080
I've done Serge, Serge from 
Saucony. 

549
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,680
There's a few other cheap ones 
I've done, but I think those are

550
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040
the the two main ones. 
I've done the Atreyu race shoe, 

551
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,760
that's the cheapest racer. 
I haven't tried their daily 

552
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,000
trainer yet and they're actually
going up in price to try to 

553
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000
compete more. 
Dude, yeah, that's a different 

554
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,440
conversation. 
But no economics. 

555
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Save it for the Economics 
podcast. 

556
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,120
Actually Speaking of which, our 
next buy or sell question is buy

557
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:58,840
or sell $500 shoes, IE the 
Adidas Adi 0 Audios Pro Evo 2. 

558
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,560
Bye. 
Now, when you say IE, are you 

559
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,320
saying that am I buying that 
shoe or am I buying the concept 

560
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,600
of $500? 
The original question was 

561
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,920
actually Adidas Audi 0 Audios 
Pro Evo 2. 

562
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,320
You know what? 
Actually, let's stick with that.

563
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,480
Let's for right now, let's stick
with buyers buy or. 

564
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,680
Sell I literally bought it. 
I did buy it with with my money.

565
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,400
So that's a hard buy and. 
Yeah. 

566
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,680
For me, it's so I'll buy it to 
test it on the channel of 

567
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,440
course. 
But in general, I have no 

568
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,440
problem with the concept of a 
$500 shoe or even a $1000 shoe. 

569
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,880
And in the case of this shoe, it
could have been $400.00, it 

570
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,680
could have been $600.00. 
They're restricting the supply. 

571
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000
People are going to buy it, but 
it it's like any segment of 

572
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,960
products. 
I'm not going to go into a 

573
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,400
Ferrari dealership and get mad 
that they're selling half 

574
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,720
$1,000,000 cars or get mad at 
Rolls Royce for selling. 1000%. 

575
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800
That you can buy a Toyota Prius,
you can buy a Toyota Highlander,

576
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,280
you could buy a Honda Pilot for 
a solid family car. 

577
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,440
You can buy used cars and with 
cars. 

578
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,800
I'm a car enthusiast, but I will
never buy a used car or new car 

579
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,800
in my life. 
I've always, always bought used 

580
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,520
cars and so there's different 
ways to get like you just said, 

581
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,920
right? 
Adidas Evo SL $150.00. 

582
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,000
There are different ways to get 
fun experiences, and for the 

583
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,200
people who do have the 
disposable income or want to use

584
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,480
this as a hobby, I have no 
problem with the concept of a 

585
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,360
$500 shoe. 
Thank you. 

586
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,360
Yes, I'm a buy too. 
I've been a buy though. 

587
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,040
We had this like a couple years 
ago on the pod and I said bye. 

588
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,160
Yeah, I'm a hard buy on the 
concept of it, mainly for that 

589
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,040
exact reason. 
You know, it's just like, why 

590
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,480
not let them innovate? 
Why not let them showcase 

591
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,400
something that's brand new and 
different? 

592
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,280
And if you're going to have a 
limited release and a press for 

593
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,040
demand for a certain shoe, 
they're not made for everyone, 

594
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,000
right? 
Like, this is not a shoe that is

595
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,520
going to be in every single, 
like on every shelf in every 

596
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,520
shoe store. 
That's not the idea of this 

597
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,040
shoe. 
My 1 issue with that shoe though

598
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,120
was that felt like it could be 
for everyone. 

599
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,600
It felt like one of the best 
marathon shoes out there. 

600
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,080
It was decently stable, a lot of
cushion, just easy to run in. 

601
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,960
It wasn't super aggressive like 
the fast *3 for example which is

602
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360
300 bucks for that thing. 
Oh my goodness, I I was doing 

603
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,840
some relaxed miles in it at the 
end of my long run, 830 pace or 

604
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,360
something and it felt horrible. 
With the Evo, I was doing the 

605
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240
same thing, a workout and then 
some jogging at the end and it 

606
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,960
felt great. 
A four hour marathoner could use

607
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,760
that shoe and it could feel 
good. 

608
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,520
So that was my one thing with it
just felt like such an easy to 

609
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,160
run and shoe, especially versus 
the Audios Pro 4, which is just 

610
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,920
so soft and doesn't feel like it
has as much range. 

611
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Like make the $500 shoe, or at 
least the ride experience of 

612
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120
that one. 
Make it something that a lot of 

613
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
people can buy. 
I think their mainstream shoe 

614
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,040
should have had that ride. 
Yeah. 

615
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,080
And I, I will say to you, like 
with the EVO 2, I don't actually

616
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440
have the EVO 2. 
So like I'm going more on the 

617
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,080
concept of the $500 shoe. 
Like if we're looking at the EVO

618
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,440
2, especially with the new 
pricing of something like the 

619
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,560
ASICS Meta Speed Ray coming out,
that's going to be 300. 

620
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,320
That's $200 less. 
It's 4.5 oz and it checks all 

621
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,600
the same boxes of insanely 
light, insanely resilient phones

622
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,400
and compliant, like all of all 
of it. 

623
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,640
It's basically, you know, almost
a mirror image. 

624
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,320
And I think that's why I think 
the EVO 2, at least the EVO one,

625
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,760
to me felt like it could have 
been 300, especially at the time

626
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,800
where like, I don't know if I'm 
going to sell on this specific 

627
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,800
model per SE, but the the 
concept of something new, 

628
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,640
innovative in showcasing 
something that we haven't seen 

629
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,440
before, you know, like, why not 
make that more expensive? 

630
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,520
Because it is, it is different 
and it is unique. 

631
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Like you should showcase that. 
Like you said, I'm not going to 

632
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,760
go into a Rolls Royce dealership
or a Ferrari dealership and ask 

633
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,080
for like, yeah, can you get this
down to like 50K? 

634
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,360
Like like, like you would never 
ever go into a place like that 

635
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,680
and ask like those prices for 
something like that. 

636
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,480
So if it is different, it is 
unique and it's like, let, let 

637
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,200
let them cook. 
Like why not? 

638
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,400
You 2 make really good points 
so. 

639
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,840
I do like the Evo. 
First of all, the Pro Evo 2 has 

640
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840
lasted longer so the heel has 
not come off yet, which is how 

641
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,640
many. 
Big deal. 

642
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,960
I have 30 miles on it right now.
Have not raced in it, but most 

643
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,640
of that's out of like just 
scheduling. 

644
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,240
Haven't had time to go race, but
I kind of want to test it out. 

645
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,880
But you make good points, right?
Like here I am going it's $500. 

646
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,280
I don't think it's that much 
better than some of the other 

647
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400
$300.00 shoes. 
But the key thing that I'm also 

648
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,800
thinking about is I've had a 
couple be reach out, people 

649
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,000
reach out and have some 
conversations that I really 

650
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,600
think, and I've said this in the
review that it's really designed

651
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,960
for the most elite athlete that 
a someone running a four hour 

652
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,640
marathon isn't going to, in my 
opinion, isn't going to get 500 

653
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,840
bucks worth out of that shoe. 
I think there's a very small 

654
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,080
population. 
See that's. 

655
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,800
Where I agree though on that 
shoe versus other race shoes, it

656
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,480
felt very similar to me in terms
of the benefit. 

657
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,280
Yeah, just what I was talking 
about before the $230 Puma DV8 

658
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,160
Night show, Elite 3 felt like at
an 830 pace, I was getting the 

659
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,320
same effect from both shoes. 
So yeah, that's where to me it's

660
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,080
if someone is going to pay a lot
of money for that shoe or pay 

661
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,840
less money for the Puma shoe, if
they're looking for the race day

662
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,560
experience, it's going to give 
them that. 

663
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,760
That's fair. 
But yeah, it's it's going to 

664
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,440
give them a race day experience.
But like, like maybe it's my 

665
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,320
yeah, maybe this goes back to 
when I walk. 

666
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,400
If I walked into a car 
dealership and I was spending 

667
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,840
half $1,000,000 on a car, I want
it to be the greatest thing 

668
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,480
that's ever hit. 
I want it to perform like a half

669
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,440
million dollar shoe. 
I don't want it to car. 

670
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,520
I don't want it to perform like 
100K or A50K car did. 

671
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,800
You test the fast *3. 
I have it right now. 

672
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,280
I did my first run in it 
yesterday and it was not my post

673
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,120
Tib is slightly pissed off with 
how that video bias but it's 

674
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,400
fine. 
It's like OK I really need to 

675
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,760
really work out my rehab for 
this. 

676
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,480
But I did agree that like 
warming up and that wasn't super

677
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,520
comfortable and I was like, this
is definitely a tool. 

678
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,360
But when I put went down to 
another gear at the very end of 

679
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,440
the workout we did, I was like, 
oh, I, I understand this. 

680
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Like that's where I was like, I 
understand this. 

681
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,920
But to be fair, that shoe is 300
bucks. 

682
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,400
And I'm like, I like this at the
really faster speeds. 

683
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,600
And I also recognize I was 
closing it like pushing the 

684
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,240
stroller like a 530 pace, like 
I'm still not maximizing the 

685
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,000
benefit. 
I think of that shoe. 

686
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,960
I think someone running 5430 is 
going to get a heck so. 510 for 

687
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,640
me was where? 
Yeah, yeah. 

688
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,760
And I know people are going to 
get there's, there's a group, 

689
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960
people are going to get way more
out of me and I'm still running 

690
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,880
a lot faster than the average 
person that's buying this stuff.

691
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,920
So I think yes, you David, you 
want you guys are totally right.

692
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,120
Like it's if it's a tool, 
there's no reason they shouldn't

693
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,040
be able to showcase it. 
I just yeah, the fact that it 

694
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,760
works, I think so well for the 
elite and not as well for the 

695
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,000
average runner who it's being 
marketed to. 

696
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,639
And maybe I'm wrong on that. 
You can, you can challenge me, 

697
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,880
but I just don't think it's 
worth 500 for the majority of 

698
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,760
the population. 
I do think there are people that

699
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,760
think is worth $500.00 for. 
I just don't think it's worth it

700
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
for the majority of the 
population. 

701
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,600
I also get that if somebody 
correct me if I'm wrong, that 

702
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,239
like World Athletics, like if 
you have a shoe out there, is it

703
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,639
either a period of time you can 
have it out or it has to be 

704
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,679
purchasable? 
Yeah, to sell by the public, you

705
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,639
have to sell it. 
Yeah. 

706
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,120
I think with that one though, 
it's really the lightweight. 

707
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,120
That's what they're charging the
price premium for, the ability 

708
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,239
to get that much foam. 
It has almost as much foam as 

709
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,199
the Puma Magmax or a shoe like 
that. 

710
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:54,840
That's really the unlock with 
it. 

711
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,600
And so to David's point, though,
if they're going to drop the 

712
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,320
Meta speed Ray and it's going to
have just as light of a weight 

713
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,640
with just as much foam for 300 
bucks, then people are going to 

714
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560
start scratching their heads 
about what is the Evo Pro 2 

715
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,840
doing at 500 bucks, which is 
again more competition. 

716
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,760
Let's go. 
And that's, I think made my 

717
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,880
point why I'm a, I'm not a sell 
on the shoe itself. 

718
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,480
I think it's, it's well 
designed. 

719
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,600
It's not my type of shoe just 
because I can't. 

720
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,200
I, it's great. 
I'm going to go take it for a 5K

721
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,480
hopefully and really see what it
does when I get down there. 

722
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200
But I'm still at my 5K pace and 
not going to be able to get as 

723
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,280
much somebody running 44430 out 
of it. 

724
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,480
So I'll probably try to keep it 
alive and send it to David, who 

725
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,000
can obviously run much faster 
than me. 

726
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,480
But I yeah, you can. 
You better be able to with me 

727
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,720
pushing a stroller. 
I don't know. 

728
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,560
You guys just say shoe size. 
He's 9. 

729
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,480
And a half, I'm a half size like
frequently, yeah, so. 

730
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Frequently when Adidas sends us 
stuff to like for whatever 

731
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
reason, either send me 
accidentally send me something 

732
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,440
twice. 
My immediate thought is I'm 

733
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,040
sending this to David because he
needs to get it, or I'll try to 

734
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,840
preserve the shoe and hopefully 
glue it back together and send 

735
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,960
it to him. 
He did that with EVO 1. 

736
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,920
He ripped off the heel in the 
very first run and then Gorilla 

737
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,920
glued the thing and then what 
was it? 

738
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,160
And you could just see all the 
adhesive that he tried to stick 

739
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,560
the outside and. 
Then what's the first thing? 

740
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,840
In our project. 
Yeah, What's the first thing 

741
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,400
David does? 
He goes, takes it on a trail 

742
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,640
run, right. 
So you know. 

743
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Yeah, like, why not? 
That's fair. 

744
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,640
OK, So I I am, I'm a sell on the
price tag for what because of 

745
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,800
what is coming onto the market 
with similar weights, similar 

746
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,840
performances. 
So I think Adidas needs to re 

747
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,160
evaluate that. 
But I also recognize my 

748
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,000
limitations that I'm not 
maximizing the shoe and if some 

749
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,920
people it will be worth 500 
bucks. 

750
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,840
But take that. 
All right, let's do the oh, this

751
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,040
is I'm kind of scared about this
question, but let's do it. 

752
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,480
This is this is based actually 
on some comments that Juana has 

753
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,760
made. 
So buy or sell. 

754
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Puma is a top three running shoe
company right now. 

755
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,360
I can I I might pass on this 
question only because I have not

756
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,560
tested much Puma at all over the
last year. 

757
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
I think the only shoe that I've 
run in, I think the last Puma 

758
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,840
shoe that I ran in from a daily 
training standpoint was Velocity

759
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,920
Nitro, two or three. 
And then dude, I don't think 

760
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,480
I've run in a Puma since then. 
OK, well I have to buy. 

761
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,760
So I think I'm I. 
Have to buy I have to stand on 

762
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,400
business. 
I guess this was coming from my 

763
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,600
own quote. 
So standing on business. 

764
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,920
Also Mag Max, that's my highest 
mileage training shoe of the 

765
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,720
past since I started reviewing 
and testing stuff. 

766
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,680
I have 200 miles on that. 
Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3, 

767
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,280
their race shoe. 
I have nearly 100 miles on that.

768
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,240
That's my number one 
recommendation and favorite 

769
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,760
marathon shoe in the mainstream 
price point. 

770
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,240
And then fast *3. 
I don't know if anything's 

771
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,640
faster than that other than 
maybe the Streak Fly, but 

772
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,800
they're two different types of 
shoes. 

773
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,400
So three of the best shoes at 
what they do. 

774
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,080
Mag Max is the best long 
distance cushion cruiser deviate

775
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,880
Nitro elite 3 best marathon shoe
for most people and fast start 3

776
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,320
best shoe when you really want a
hammer as we're just talking 

777
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,600
about getting down to fast 5K 
paces. 

778
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,280
And the thing about Puma too, 
their foam development that's 

779
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,000
they're crushing it. 
They're at the top of the game 

780
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,480
when it comes to that and oh, 
get that thing out of here. 

781
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,560
That's so mid. 
That's honestly makes me it's 

782
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,280
for people who are listening. 
It's the forever run. 

783
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Nitro 2 is just no. 
Dude it is so much better than 

784
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,120
like they get points for like 
most improved athlete or most 

785
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,720
improved shoe like it's much 
better. 

786
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,880
I actually like the knit 
version, it had the slightly 

787
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,520
different foam in the middle, 
better rocker and maybe I need 

788
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,520
to put more miles on it. 
I don't know how many miles you 

789
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,800
have on yours but that was the 
one where it just felt not very 

790
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440
bouncy or anything to me. 
And I know it's a stability shoe

791
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480
but just disappointing compared 
to the other stuff they have. 

792
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,760
I got, I've got 100 miles on my 
pair. 

793
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040
Yeah, the upper, the upper needs
a teeny bit of work, but I 

794
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040
actually had the opposite 
experience where it's not as 

795
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,760
light as I would like, but I got
a good amount of bounce out of 

796
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,080
that, which we talk about this 
all the time, that different 

797
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,960
people load the shoe different. 
They're going to have totally 

798
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,680
different perceptions of a shoe,
but we're usually pretty. 

799
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Aligned, though, that's what 
people tell me. 

800
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,520
Yeah, that we usually have this.
I've heard that, yeah. 

801
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,280
Pic so maybe I got a defective 
pair. 

802
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,360
That's what people always say 
when I don't like their their 

803
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,960
favorite shoe. 
Like my my pair of super blasts 

804
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,720
are defective. 
Super. 

805
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,240
Blast, dude, there's some work 
that needs. 

806
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,640
It's a solid shoe, but there's 
some work that needs to be like 

807
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,120
the upper. 
Yeah, emphasis of. 

808
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,240
Solid. 
Holy cow. 

809
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Yeah, that thing is. 
The rear foot, rear foot rocker 

810
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,760
needs to be a little bit better.
It still does a decent job for 

811
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,040
where things are, but its 
position is very, very much 

812
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880
threatened by a lot of shoes. 
But like the mag Max, yeah. 

813
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,560
It's a super trainer. 
Mag. 

814
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,800
Mouse, yeah. 
That's like a super. 

815
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Yeah, but it's not a super 
trainer. 

816
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,800
What? 
Does that even mean define super

817
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,080
trainer? 
Let's I'm selling on the term 

818
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,800
super trainer. 
Get that out of here. 

819
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,920
So in my opinion, so you have a 
difference between just like 

820
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,680
that supermax SAC out, you need 
to have some blend of Peeba or 

821
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,000
advanced foam in there. 
You need to have some kind of 

822
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,800
stiffening agent or the sole 
needs to be really, really stiff

823
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,560
and it needs to be light. 
Like super trainer to me is like

824
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,400
a training version of a Sumer. 
Max is not light, but what it 

825
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,840
does do, and this is the magic 
in it, once you get past an 

826
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,040
hour, once you get past an hour 
15, the benefits of having that 

827
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,520
much foam and the bounce just 
take over. 

828
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,400
It's the reverse of a standard 
shoe where it's something like 

829
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,960
Vomero. 
For example, Vomero 18 feels 

830
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640
awesome up to 45 minutes an 
hour, super comfortable and then

831
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,040
that top layer of zoom X just 
fades in. 

832
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,080
The React X takes over. 
You're running on pudding, the 

833
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,960
mag Max. 
Once you get it going, you have 

834
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680
to warm it up. 
But if you want to run for 2 1/2

835
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,720
hours, 3 hours at a nice cruisy 
pace, a lot of people call it 

836
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,240
steezy or maybe zone 3 high zone
2. 

837
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,920
It's the best shoe out there for
that. 

838
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,200
You're not going to be pushing 
the pace. 

839
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,240
And to your point about super 
trainer having the race foam and

840
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,840
the stiffening agent or 
something like the Evo SL, I'm 

841
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,480
not going to be hammering 620 
pace in the mag Max. 

842
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,760
But if I'm going out for three 
hours and just nice relaxed run,

843
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,640
there's no better shoe for it. 
So it's it's all about the 

844
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,480
mileage with that one and that 
that's, that's. 

845
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,840
Fair. 
I I think it's part of it like 

846
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,240
the supermax stack category 
where it's like just go on like 

847
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,080
these insane amounts of foam 
under foot. 

848
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,760
But I I get you on. 
Yeah. 

849
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,760
So the interesting thing with 
that is it's actually less foam 

850
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,280
under foot than the Super Blast.
I've measured it in and Super 

851
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,840
Blast once you yeah, once you 
break it in in the heel Magmax 

852
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,920
is about 4041 Super Blast 
because of how tall that thing 

853
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,760
is and or affirm it is, it does 
not compress as much. 

854
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
And that's the impressive thing 
with Super Blast. 

855
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,320
I think it's the most durable 
shoe on the market, but it also 

856
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,880
it stays up at 4344mm in the 
heel. 

857
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,160
But the mag Max is all about the
girth. 

858
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,760
I'll I'll go to crazy lengths to
defend the mag Max. 

859
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,800
We even have the the silly on 
our Max Cushion Gang shirt. 

860
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,240
Don't have? 
To send the second assist. 

861
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,720
Andrea is going to be going to 
be listed this going. 

862
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,960
I told you, Matt. 
Send the C&D. 

863
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,640
OK. 
Is are you? 

864
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,160
Just Guinness podcast spicy. 
Personally, cut spicy you wanna 

865
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,160
and Andrea taking me to town on 
this. 

866
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,720
Alright, so I will. 
From a performance perspective, 

867
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,520
I think Puma is definitely top 
three and there's a reason why 

868
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,080
you're seeing so much. 
I mean, yeah, obviously. 

869
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,120
So they're sponsoring a lot of 
people, but even though I ripped

870
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:44,560
through the durability of the 
Nitro Elite 3I, the fast R3 is 

871
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,760
phenomenal. 
It's not matching my mechanics, 

872
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000
but I can still I can appreciate
what it's doing. 

873
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,320
Yeah, I tore the heel off really
quick. 

874
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,160
You want to that's crazy. 
Yeah, I know we're looking 

875
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,480
pretty because I land. 
I land right where the like that

876
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,400
that outsole. 
Literally like lands, digs his 

877
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,520
heel into the road, moves it 
around like this a few times, 

878
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,720
and then takes his next step. 
So like, but I also appreciate 

879
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,640
how aggressive it is and I'm 
like, I'm not surprised there's 

880
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,960
some elites that are just 
crushing times in Puma shoes. 

881
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,280
I think their trainers are doing
phenomenal for somewhat for a 

882
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,720
group that really had to reset. 
I think they've done a really, 

883
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,120
really good job. 
And I think like the fast are 

884
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,000
some of the stuff they're 
they're pushing the envelope. 

885
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,680
They've got some great research 
that's coming out that's also 

886
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,160
backing up some of the things 
they're trying. 

887
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,160
So from a performance 
standpoint, I think there are 

888
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,040
top three from an overall, I 
think their trainer like the 

889
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,120
like approachableness, some of 
the trainers there's, there's 

890
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,120
still maybe a teeny bit of work 
to do. 

891
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,400
Velocity is not it compared to 
Nova, Blast and Valero. 

892
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,360
To your point, narrow. 
They're working, they're working

893
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,840
on it. 
So I think from a performance 

894
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,520
standpoint, yes, from a daily 
trainer, they're getting better.

895
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
They're not quite there, but 
they will. 

896
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,080
So I'm a somewhere in the 
middle. 

897
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,080
I'm cheating. 
I'm not supposed to do that, but

898
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,400
let's keep quiet. 
All right, shout out to Rory 

899
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,800
Linklater before we go. 
Oh, absolutely great YouTube 

900
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,280
channel and he you crushed it at
Boston. 

901
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,840
Put it in work. 
Sweet. 

902
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,960
All right. 
Speaking of which, buy or sell? 

903
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Reviewing shoes has made me a 
better. 

904
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,040
Runner. 
So I don't think it's made me a 

905
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,440
better runner. 
No. 

906
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,120
The thing that would make you a 
better runner is running 

907
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,760
consistently and training and 
doing all the things that we 

908
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,040
talk about. 
Like, yeah, but hey, you know 

909
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,680
what? 
I could put on a super shoe and 

910
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,720
say I'm a. 
Better runner, so I'm a. 

911
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Little more economic, I think. 
It's made me a worse runner. 

912
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,520
I think it's made me do things 
that aren't advisable, like the 

913
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,160
100 mile weeks that I used to do
in one shoe. 

914
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,120
I don't know if there's any 
aspects of it that have made me 

915
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,120
a better runner. 
I think the way that I do the 

916
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,640
channel maybe because it holds 
me accountable, but that's not 

917
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,280
about the shoe reviewing. 
I'm trying to think of anything 

918
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,680
that just the shoe reviewing 
part that would make me a better

919
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,480
runner. 
I will jump in and say that I, I

920
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,120
am a, it's a cool thing. 
I've learned a lot. 

921
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,320
It's it's taught me a lot more 
and it's informed a lot of the 

922
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,560
stuff I think about from a bio 
mechanics perspective. 

923
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,520
There's there's some research 
that I'm working on right now 

924
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560
with a couple companies trying 
to go, hey, I think this might 

925
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,560
be helpful or some thoughts, 
especially about super shoes and

926
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,880
these foams and geometries that 
we need to be also thinking 

927
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,200
about in terms of long term 
changes, especially attendance. 

928
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,120
But I don't I I think in some 
ways it's made me a little bit 

929
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,080
more resilient because having to
switch different shoes, like we 

930
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,760
all have to run and stuff we 
don't like. 

931
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,520
And it's like, I hope I don't 
get injured. 

932
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,600
You know, the fast R3 is a great
shoe. 

933
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,440
My my post tip was pretty hot. 
It didn't bug me during, but it 

934
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,120
was pretty hot afterwards. 
I'm like, Oh yeah, my tendon is 

935
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,000
not happy. 
Yeah. 

936
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,280
So I think no. 
You're never going to get 

937
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,480
injured from running in an old 
pair of shoes. 

938
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,240
No, you are never. 
Oh, yeah, no, yeah, no, yeah, 

939
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,400
because most of them are around 
like I don't have time. 

940
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Yeah, that's fair. 
So I'm going to be say a sell on

941
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,440
this. 
Some of you guys that like just 

942
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,200
because they're we are very 
lucky to be able to do this, to 

943
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,320
be able to like share those with
people occasionally get stuff 

944
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,800
for free, buy stuff. 
I have a reason to buy stuff, 

945
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,640
but there are some consequences 
to it as you will test stuff and

946
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,720
get hurt doing that just because
when you, yes, having multiple 

947
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,160
pairs of shoes is good. 
There's also a point where 

948
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,120
you're like, I'm going and 
running things that aren't good 

949
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,800
for me and don't match, but I'm 
forcing this because I need to 

950
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,520
get those review out. 
Yeah, as soon as I hit the 

951
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,680
minimum miles, I'm done. 
I did that today. 

952
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,000
I wasn't going to workout today.
Happens. 

953
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,360
Yeah, we have a review coming 
out tomorrow that I. 

954
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Need to go to it. 
Yeah, finish some stuff, yeah. 

955
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,600
So I'm a sell on that. 
Yeah. 

956
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,160
I think it's made me a better 
analyst of course, and also 

957
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,640
coach or we're getting into 
programming, we're going to 

958
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,000
start getting into programming 
too. 

959
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,240
And just being able to think 
about like we're just talking 

960
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,080
about how might this shoe work 
for someone at a different pace,

961
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,080
How might this fit into 
somebody'd training. 

962
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,000
And that's the thing I think 
about a lot to shoe like the EVO

963
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,960
SL for example, for the past six
months, I've either been doing 

964
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,800
very slow recovery runs, so for 
my paces, 8 minute miles or mile

965
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,040
race pace, 5K training. 
So I'm either trying to crush 5 

966
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,720
flat 450 pace or I'm just 
suffering and recovering a shoe 

967
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,880
like the Evo SL that doesn't 
really have a place in that 

968
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,760
polarized training world so that
it helps me think about things 

969
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,440
like that. 
And why do I like the shoe? 

970
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,440
Why do I not like the shoe? 
Who might this be best for? 

971
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,680
What type of training might this
be best for? 

972
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,480
But in terms of my own training,
Nah. 

973
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,880
David, yourself, you already 
said yourself. 

974
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,480
OK, yeah, yeah, I must say that 
especially if I don't have some 

975
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,400
other structured programming 
cause like for those that have 

976
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,360
been listening know I've been a 
little off the structure of like

977
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,440
training and racing and running 
and all of that for a little 

978
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,000
while now. 
When I was more structured, you 

979
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,880
know, I think things kind of 
fell in place a little more. 

980
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,000
But now that I'm not as 
structured, yeah, it's like I 

981
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,880
wasn't going to do a tempo run 
today. 

982
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,400
I was actually going to run a 
nice easy like hour and a half 

983
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,840
probably. 
And then I was like, oh shoot, I

984
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,520
gotta get this thing out. 
So I was like, looks like we're 

985
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,720
doing a tempo. 
So yeah, I think it's it leads 

986
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,320
us to make less wise decisions 
for content. 

987
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,280
We do dubstep, man. 
I'm like super. 

988
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Super We are human, right? 
Like that is also part of all of

989
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,520
this. 
Yeah, I'm always like super 

990
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,320
adamant that I'm like, I am not 
an influencer, I'm an educator. 

991
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,760
Like I was like Connor said that
a running warehouse, like all 

992
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,960
the influencers are like, I'm an
educator. 

993
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,880
Like trying to defend myself, 
but also realize that we're 

994
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,600
doing the same dumb stuff. 
It's like, all right. 

995
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,720
But like to their point, like if
you think of the word 

996
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,440
influencer, the word influencer 
means one who influences the 

997
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,920
decisions of other people and if
that's via an educational 

998
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,360
decision. 
I need the kind. 

999
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Of influencing I need the Mac. 
Client. 

1000
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,640
Get ready with me montage, Put 
it on your shorts to some nice 

1001
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,040
music. 
Come run 10 miles with me in the

1002
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Cloud Monster Hyper, that's what
I need. 

1003
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,200
Having your overnight, yeah, 
before your Monte, yeah, having 

1004
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,760
the GoPro where you see exactly 
when the heel comes off of the 

1005
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,680
shoe and just falls behind. 
Oh, I would love a slow MO. 

1006
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Do that next time we're 
together, like let's do a 

1007
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,280
workout and then I will get the 
slow MO of your heel like the 

1008
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,480
you. 
Wanna I thought about you? 

1009
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,920
I wanna see it just shred the. 
Half marathon I just ran or a 

1010
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,760
couple weeks ago with the 
stroller. 

1011
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,400
I, I wimped out and took the 
outfly because I'm like, I'm 

1012
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,040
just going to take the best 
thing I have. 

1013
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,520
And I think I had like 40 miles 
on it beforehand. 

1014
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,240
And then about two miles into 
the race, I felt this like thing

1015
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,760
and I, I realized the heat, I'd 
ripped the heel off and like a 

1016
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,800
big chunk and I could feel it, 
which it was terrible because it

1017
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,240
kind of became more of like a, a
wedge too. 

1018
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,880
But I was like, I, he created 
that level. 

1019
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,240
Yeah. 
And I was like, As for your 

1020
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,160
wish, I was like good enough to 
have a GoPro with me just to 

1021
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,920
watch just that moment of just 
like. 

1022
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,360
And I looked back and there was 
like a a chunk just sitting 

1023
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,120
there. 
Yeah, I was like. 

1024
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,600
RIP Yeah, RIP for the stack. 
For the port alpha fly like 

1025
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,760
posterior lateral outsole piece.
All right, that. 

1026
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,520
So let's now let's get into this
or that. 

1027
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,520
So now we're going to do a 
little bit more lightning round 

1028
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,960
quick stuff. 
And this is not do I agree with 

1029
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,080
or not, it's which one do you 
choose and just do my own thing.

1030
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
You cannot choose a combination.
You have to pick 1. 

1031
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,000
So this or that, let's just go 
all out this or that. 

1032
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,320
Saturday versus Sunday long 
runs. 

1033
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,240
Oh man, Sunday. 
Yeah, that's not even close. 

1034
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:47,360
Sunday. 
And so I've been talking about 

1035
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,840
this on the Instagram and 
YouTube. 

1036
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,760
I have a theory. 
This is why, yeah. 

1037
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,360
I think it is people without 
kids. 

1038
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,240
If if you don't have kids, you 
could do Saturday or Sunday, but

1039
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,920
it's only the no kids people who
like Saturday because if you do 

1040
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,720
have kids, you're working all 
week, you're not spending as 

1041
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,200
much time with your family and 
then you want to spend time with

1042
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,880
their family on Saturday. 
All, all the people who say 

1043
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,520
Saturday long runs, most of them
like, oh, I want to go get beers

1044
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,680
with the boys on Saturday night 
and not have any regrets. 

1045
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,960
Like that's not, that's not a 
good reason to do your long run 

1046
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,080
on a Saturday. 
I think you need to have the 

1047
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,880
pause on the Saturday, take the 
break, get fully rested and 

1048
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,400
recharged, and then go into 
Sunday. 

1049
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,800
If you're doing Saturday long 
runs hot take, that means you're

1050
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,120
not going hard enough during the
week in your training. 

1051
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,000
The Saturday should be the rest 
day and then you hit the long 

1052
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,600
run hard on Sunday. 
David. 

1053
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,000
I mean, I don't have kids and I 
prefer Sundays. 

1054
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:47,320
That's father energy for sure. 
But for me, I look at it because

1055
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,120
it's the start of my week. 
I start my week on Sundays. 

1056
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,960
I don't start it on Mondays as 
far as the way I record. 

1057
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,960
And so it sets a good tone for 
your mileage and what you can 

1058
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,680
kind of expect for the rest of 
the week. 

1059
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,960
Again, this is during more of a 
structured time. 

1060
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,760
Now I'm just kind of running 
whenever I run. 

1061
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:09,200
But like I think it, it doesn't 
leave the if I have 15 miles for

1062
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840
my long run or something, I will
have X amount of mileage. 

1063
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,240
Like you kind of already have a 
pretty good idea by the time you

1064
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,920
get to Friday or Saturday, what 
your week looks like. 

1065
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,280
And you're not like trying to 
add on or do you're not trying 

1066
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,440
to get people to go, you know, 
on a 10 mile run on their four 

1067
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,920
mile day, right? 
I don't know. 

1068
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,840
That's sorry. 
Sorry man. 

1069
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,080
That's so interesting that you 
say you're the way that you 

1070
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,920
structure your week because I'm 
a child of these apps and 

1071
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,840
whatever the app gives me in 
terms of the calendar, how it's 

1072
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,080
telling me the week is 
structured, that's what I so my 

1073
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,080
week goes from Monday to Sunday 
just because the app that I use 

1074
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,480
has it that way. 
Yeah. 

1075
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,160
And most yeah, right. 
Like I feel like most 

1076
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,040
structures, I feel like it's 
really the old school people 

1077
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,520
that do the Sunday. 
Start on Sunday. 

1078
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Yeah, yeah, you've been in the. 
Game, I feel like it's really. 

1079
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,800
So you're a young OG, is what 
you're? 

1080
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760
Telling me I might be When do 
you? 

1081
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:15,320
Start running competitively. 
That's a good question, 2000, 

1082
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,920
2007. 
Dang, you've been in the game a 

1083
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,360
long time bro, that's 
impressive. 2000 shoot, that's 

1084
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,000
almost 20. 
Oh gosh. 

1085
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,240
Oh my gosh, time flies. 
I'm going to violate my own rule

1086
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,960
here. 
So the way so my wife and I do 

1087
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,080
all of our training together, 
that's kind of how we originally

1088
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,880
met. 
She's the pro athlete, and so I 

1089
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,760
was the one who was the only 
person who was fast enough to 

1090
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,760
pace her. 
We do. 

1091
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,120
If we're going to do a workout 
long run, it's going to be 

1092
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,600
Saturday. 
If it's an easy long run, it'll 

1093
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,040
typically be Sunday. 
But we're also lucky, we're 

1094
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,560
lucky that I pushed the stroller
for all this stuff. 

1095
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,960
So we have on occasion done 
Saturday, easy long runs just to

1096
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,320
get it because we knew that 
Sunday, for whatever reason, we 

1097
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,760
had to get up earlier, didn't 
have the time to do it. 

1098
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,560
So I may, it depends on the type
of long run, but easy long runs,

1099
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,920
it's Sunday morning. 
It's it's got to be about 

1100
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,320
workouts Saturday. 
Someone recently asked me, what 

1101
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,120
do you think about Monday? 
And if you can do that with your

1102
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,640
schedule, gosh, go for it. 
But I know most people, if you 

1103
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,760
have a nine to five, you're not 
going to be able to swing that. 

1104
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,800
Yeah, I've never been able. 
To a lot of people that have 

1105
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,600
been in like the competitive 
sphere, there's this idea of the

1106
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,760
midweek long run. 
How do you guys feel in addition

1107
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,720
to like 15? 
To 17 or. 

1108
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640
It's like a long run, but it's 
not a long long run. 

1109
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,480
It'd be like if you are used to 
running 15 to 20, this would be 

1110
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,480
maybe 11 to. 
I'm actually all on board with 

1111
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,640
that right now because 4 or 
George Fox May is our in. 

1112
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,760
We do a clinical rotation on 
site where the faculty all serve

1113
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,600
as clinical instructors. 
So I'm back in like clinical 

1114
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,200
mode with long, longer hours. 
So can get runs down in the 

1115
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,760
morning. 
But by the time I get home and 

1116
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,080
pick up Isabella, I am wrecked. 
And like I can get some weight 

1117
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
training in, but trying to 
convince Regina to also go out 

1118
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,840
for a run is additional energy 
that I we just don't get out. 

1119
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,800
So I've been to get more mileage
up because I've only been 

1120
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,280
running more singles. 
Right now. 

1121
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,200
I'm all about that Wednesday 
morning long run, get up like 

1122
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,360
you just got one day. 
You got to keep a little early 

1123
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,560
jazz a little bit more. 
So I'm I'm all about that for 

1124
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,560
sure. 
Yeah, at least right now for 

1125
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,800
marathon training, I try to get 
in one. 

1126
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,680
I'll do 12 a few times, usually 
in 114 or 15 midweek, and 

1127
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,800
usually try to combine that with
the workout so I'm not out there

1128
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,440
for two hours. 
If you do a workout, it'll be 90

1129
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,040
minutes. 
Get the most bang for your buck.

1130
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:33,960
Sweet. 
Agreed. 

1131
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,920
All right, let's start an 
argument. 

1132
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,640
Saucony Endorphin trainer versus
the Puma DV8 Nitro 3. 

1133
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,680
Oh, neither. 
David, you gotta choose one. 

1134
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,120
Oh, you have. 
I have to choose one. 

1135
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,800
I have to choose a shoe. 
It's a shoe that I've never ran 

1136
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,520
in before. 
Sorry, David. 

1137
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,200
OK, well I've wrote in some 
endorphin models before, so I 

1138
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,680
guess endorphin I don't know. 
To me, they're slightly 

1139
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,920
different types of shoes to the 
question earlier about so they 

1140
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,120
both have dual foam race foam on
the top of firmer foam on the 

1141
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,480
bottom. 
They both have the stiffening 

1142
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,440
agent, the plate. 
So on paper they're very 

1143
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,360
similar, but running in them, 
the Deviate Nitro three, it 

1144
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,120
feels way more like a standard 
daily trainer for me, slightly 

1145
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,000
firmer feel. 
There's definitely good bounce 

1146
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,040
in it, but it doesn't have 
anything that elevates it into 

1147
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,880
what you would call the Super 
trainer category. 

1148
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,280
Even though it has those 
elements versus the Endorphin 

1149
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Trainer. 
That one feels special to me 

1150
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,840
because of that foam. 
The Incredi Run foam is the most

1151
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,640
exciting new foam on the market.
I didn't love the Endorphin 

1152
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,440
Elite too because it was just 
super unstable and felt like it 

1153
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,880
was bottoming out for me. 
Thank you. 

1154
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,000
Yeah, finally. 
Sorry I'm yelling but. 

1155
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,040
No, SO it goes back to me with 
the style of training I'm doing.

1156
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,240
So if I'm doing more long 
recovery miles, I like the 

1157
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,000
Endorphin Trainer. 
But I'm trying to increase the 

1158
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,520
pace of my aerobic runs right 
now cuz I'm jumping back into 

1159
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,960
another marathon training block.
So I actually think something 

1160
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,040
like the DV8 Nitro 3 would be 
better for that because that's a

1161
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,680
shoe that's going to encourage 
me to pick up the pace more and 

1162
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,440
not just hang back and relax. 
Which one though? 

1163
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,000
What do you choose? 
This is this or that? 

1164
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Yeah, this is this or that. 
Endorphin Trainer. 

1165
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,240
Endorphin trainer. 
The the special quality, I could

1166
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,640
take something, I could take the
Nova Blast or something else for

1167
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,520
my daily miles over the the 
Nitro. 

1168
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,440
So I'll go endorphin trainer. 
Here I thought there was going 

1169
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,160
to be argument. 
I'm I'm definitely taking the 

1170
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,920
endorphin trainer as well. 
I know people got really mad the

1171
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,040
the term calling it a super 
trainer and there was a little 

1172
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,280
heavier that we may have 
expected, but that Incredi run 

1173
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,240
foam is phenomenal. 
I think it makes a great shoe 

1174
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,360
that like long runs are awesome,
workouts are awesome. 

1175
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,320
I think it's a great race day 
shoe for a lot of people as it 

1176
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,320
was intended to be a race shoe 
for the recreational runner 

1177
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,880
where maybe some of the Super 
shoes are too aggressive from a 

1178
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,280
stable. 
Race shoe. 

1179
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,920
Yeah. 
Stability Race. 

1180
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,320
It's stable neutral, but it's 
still there is no real stability

1181
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,720
racing shoe because I I want it 
to be in the like. 

1182
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,880
What about full super foam 7 oz 
plated what? 

1183
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,800
About this thing, this is a deep
cut. 

1184
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,400
No, that's not it. 
Somebody called me out on that. 

1185
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,120
It's that's not a stability 
shoe. 

1186
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,320
It's not it's, it's a part, it's
a record. 

1187
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,240
It's like the Endorphin trainer.
And that midfoot is too narrow 

1188
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,520
for anybody to call that stable.
I put it on and like, no I'm 

1189
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,880
not. 
I'm not but they doesn't justify

1190
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,960
it by I was holding the S lab of
Specter. 

1191
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,400
They do they like chassis, type 
of chassis, yeah. 

1192
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,160
My post Tib did not like that 
true. 

1193
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,080
But with the endorphin trainer I
thought it was, I think it could

1194
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,120
be even better. 
Back to the discussion on Eva, 

1195
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,400
if they've gone with a different
foam on the bottom, I I'm really

1196
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,240
curious to see what if they put 
power on plus that beaded TPU on

1197
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,560
the bottom or even the they're 
not using the Endorphin Elite OG

1198
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,880
foam and anything. 
What is that one called the HG 

1199
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,920
HG? 
What if they did something like 

1200
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,840
that? 
A firmer foam that's more 

1201
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,880
energetic? 
Would it be even better? 

1202
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,000
I think part of the challenge 
this is going to some like bio 

1203
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,400
mechanics, physics stuff. 
Is it the when you have, even 

1204
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,800
though they're different 
durometers, like especially that

1205
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,720
tall, the stack height and you 
have two shoes that are like the

1206
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,640
foam just gets a little bit too 
soft. 

1207
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,560
That might I mean like we're 
already having that trouble with

1208
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,200
the endorphin, the Elite 2 or 
you have the two layers that of 

1209
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,000
the Incredi run. 
I wonder if it was just too 

1210
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,880
unstable and that was part of 
the aggression, the aggressive 

1211
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,000
comment. 
They're like, OK, we need to 

1212
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,840
make this more accessible. 
Let's use more Eva. 

1213
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,920
But I had the same question like
why didn't you guys use power 

1214
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,560
And plus, I'm sure there is a 
reason or I wonder if they're 

1215
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,240
trying. 
I can guarantee that they they 

1216
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,400
probably did. 
They probably Frankenstein a few

1217
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,240
combinations. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1218
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,000
Soccer is usually yeah, soccer 
is usually pretty good about 

1219
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,840
trying things And so, but who 
knows, we'll have to maybe we'll

1220
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,640
ask that I'll we'll get. 
I'm thinking about trying to get

1221
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,320
Corey on the on the podcast. 
I have a question for him. 

1222
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,440
We got a. 
He wrote a post. 

1223
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,640
Corey. 
If you're listening, you wrote 

1224
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,200
it that post we're still talking
about about shoes. 

1225
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Don't. 
What was it? 

1226
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,520
David bring the shift back. 
Corey endorphin shift for. 

1227
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,360
He wrote this great post about 
like really calling people 

1228
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,240
outgoing like super shoes don't 
cause injuries was like dumb 

1229
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,360
training does, which I I totally
agree with, but we need to get 

1230
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,880
them on there. 
So Corey, we're, we've got your 

1231
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,280
number. 
We're we're thinking about you. 

1232
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,600
So all right. 
I'll DM them right now. 

1233
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,600
Yeah, we should on layer. 
Come on. 

1234
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,600
All right, we gotta do the pie, 
all right? 

1235
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,840
Mid soles soft and bouncy versus
firm and responsive. 

1236
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,240
Firm and responsive. 
Firm and responsive all all the 

1237
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,280
way. 
Soft and bouncy is fun 

1238
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,160
occasionally. 
Like Neo Zen for example. 

1239
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,600
There are elements of it that 
are great and even Endorphin 

1240
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:45,760
Elite, which we're just talking 
about. 

1241
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,920
Diversion 2. 
It's a fun shoe to run in 

1242
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,520
occasionally, but when it's 
actually time to party on race 

1243
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,760
day, when it's time to to put 
down some power, I have to have 

1244
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,040
firm and responsive fast *3 the 
what is the other shoe? 

1245
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,400
The even today I was running the
Evo SL that is on the firmer 

1246
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,520
side with the older version of 
Light Strike Pro and then ASICS 

1247
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,800
Metaspeed Sky Paris. 
Those are the shoes that I trust

1248
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,880
100% when it's time to run fast,
David. 

1249
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:19,120
I've always been a firm and 
responsive guy, but my world was

1250
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,480
shaken upside down in Tokyo a 
couple weeks. 

1251
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,800
Ago Metaspeed, Ray. 
That ATPU based flight foam leap

1252
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,440
is something else. 
It's just like it's just so 

1253
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,320
light and it's just so compliant
and bouncy that like shoes that 

1254
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:40,080
like I don't even know like how 
to describe it, like Turbo plus 

1255
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,480
feels. 
It's. 

1256
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,200
Firm, almost hard. 
It's firm, right? 

1257
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,600
And it's firm and responsive and
I love the Edge Paris like that 

1258
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,040
was like my go to racing show 
for pretty much anything. 

1259
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,920
Racing of the year last year for
both of us. 

1260
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,640
Yeah. 
And then they now what they're 

1261
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,960
doing is they're doing a dual 
density design on both the Sky 

1262
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:04,920
and on the Edge. 
And on the Edge, the heel is a 

1263
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:10,240
large part of Now Turbo Plus 
with flat foam. 

1264
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,840
Leap along the top of it and it 
spoons out into the forefoot. 

1265
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,480
See, it's just crazy soft and 
bouncy forefoot with a more 

1266
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,840
rigid heel. 
And then it's vice versa on the 

1267
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,880
Sky, where it's really, really 
soft and bouncy through the heel

1268
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,160
and midfoot, but a little bit 
firmer and snappier through the 

1269
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,880
forefoot with the flat. 
Plate I'm I'm interested to see 

1270
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,080
how that does the softer on the 
bottom. 

1271
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,000
That's pretty crazy. 
Yeah, dude, it's, it's nuts. 

1272
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,160
It feels like a trampoline. 
And that's what it was. 

1273
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,120
I've never really agreed with 
the Sky model up until this 

1274
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,080
point, and it basically flipped 
my world upside down where I was

1275
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,680
like, Oh my God, this thing's 
crazy. 

1276
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:48,000
I think I'm still firm and 
responsive from a fatigue and a 

1277
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,360
racing standpoint. 
I think I still, if it came down

1278
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,360
to race day and I'm like, oh 
shoot, what do I choose? 

1279
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,880
I think I'm still going to lean 
edge. 

1280
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,760
Yeah, but. 
I don't want to be distracted. 

1281
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,280
Some of. 
It and that's what I loved about

1282
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,200
the EVO, the $500 shoe. 
Yes, it's super lightweight. 

1283
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,560
It has a lot of foam, but when I
was running fast at this Hill 

1284
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,960
Surge workout in it, I wasn't 
even thinking about the shoe at 

1285
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,520
all. 
Whenever I run in a soft and 

1286
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,720
bouncy shoe, I am always 
thinking about how soft and 

1287
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,640
bouncy it is. 
That's why I don't race in those

1288
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,480
shoes. 
I raced my last marathon was 

1289
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Endorphin Elite, the V1 because 
firemen responsive. 

1290
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,040
It just disappears on foot when 
I'm running fast and that 

1291
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,960
distracting versus reliable go 
away. 

1292
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,960
That will always swing it for 
me. 

1293
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,040
I will say I'm with you too on 
the firmer response of the soft 

1294
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,960
and bouncy I could do for short 
periods, but like racing that I 

1295
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,600
you wanted. 
That's a great way of putting it

1296
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,440
that like for me, I start 
fatiguing like all of my deep 

1297
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,760
hip rotators are all through my 
hips fatigue. 

1298
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,480
I'll feel my ankle fatigue 
Achilles gets a little bit 

1299
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,560
tender and that just gets 
distracted when I just want to 

1300
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,920
focus. 
I will give you the pro evo 2 

1301
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,200
does disappear off the foot very
nicely when going fast. 

1302
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,720
It's fair. 
Eat my I still stand by. 

1303
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:02,920
My we're all firm and 
responsive. 

1304
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,920
Then we all all firm responsive,
all right reviewing buy or sell,

1305
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,480
reviewing long run shoes versus 
reviewing short distance shoes. 

1306
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,760
An example of a short distance 
shoe is like the Street Flight 

1307
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,960
2. 
Oh, this or that. 

1308
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,960
Yeah, this or that. 
Long run only because I feel 

1309
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,760
like the short distance is so 
specific and so niche that you 

1310
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,920
have to carve out a specific 
time throughout your week or 

1311
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,080
your training in order to get it
done and do it. 

1312
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,920
That's the only reason why. 
It's the reason why I haven't 

1313
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,400
written the Streak fly review 
yet. 

1314
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,680
Like I just haven't had it line 
up well enough for me to be 

1315
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,640
like, I am going to go hit mile 
to 5K right now and I'm just not

1316
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,160
really doing that kind of 
running very often right now. 

1317
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,040
So it's just it doesn't make the
most sense for me. 

1318
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,560
I'll have to go short because 
right now I've been enjoying, I 

1319
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,640
was enjoying doing these faster 
workouts even though they're 

1320
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,720
awful and I was suffering 
through them and I just never 

1321
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,560
trained like this in my life. 
Like David, for example, said 

1322
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,320
he's been doing this for 18 
years. 

1323
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,800
I've never done a running and 
competitive running. 

1324
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,120
I've never trained for a 5K up 
until this year, I've never done

1325
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,040
that style of workout. 
This year is my first time doing

1326
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,560
200 meter repeats and 400 meter 
repeats. 

1327
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,960
So I enjoyed that a lot. 
That's what I've been liking 

1328
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,320
right now. 
It also means we get to go to 

1329
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,000
Carbon County if we're doing the
short and fast stuff. 

1330
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,800
And so my favorite new shoes 
that I've tried have been those 

1331
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,160
fast ones, the fast R3 Streak, 
Fly 2. 

1332
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,280
And yeah, any of the race shoes 
that come come through. 

1333
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,240
It's it's a good day when we get
to unbox a Carbon County shoe. 

1334
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,440
Oh, I guess I was thinking more 
like like even the racing shoes.

1335
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,560
I'm still thinking. 
Longer. 

1336
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,920
Yeah, Marathon. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1337
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,120
Versus like hitting the track. 
But I do love running fast on 

1338
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,360
the track. 
That's fun when I'm in shape for

1339
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,520
it. 
Otherwise, it feels like death. 

1340
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,040
This would have been a good this
for that neighborhood loops or 

1341
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,960
track that's that's the 
different style. 

1342
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,360
I feel like that's easy. 
Neighborhood loops all day long,

1343
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,600
OK. 
Trash. 

1344
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,720
Neighborhood loops. 
See. 

1345
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,880
Trash, assuming you have easy 
access to one. 

1346
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,120
That's the hard. 
Yeah, I've I can literally it's 

1347
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,160
less than like like probably 6-7
hundred meters walking distance 

1348
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,760
from where I live now. 
There's it to a track and then 

1349
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,320
there's maybe another half mile.
There's another what we there's 

1350
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,960
shout out to Sherwood OR it's 
amazing. 

1351
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,760
I've never after being in LA for
a while like this is awesome. 

1352
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,760
And you still choose 
neighborhood loop over the 

1353
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,240
tracks. 
Yes, only because I found for me

1354
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,080
and my wife that the track 
doesn't seem to translate onto 

1355
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,040
the road as well as training on 
the since we do Rd. races. 

1356
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,160
Well, yeah. 
I mean, yeah, you're training 

1357
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,120
for something specific, but 
what's more fun? 

1358
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,800
When I'm chasing Regina, who 
goes out way too hard on the 

1359
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,080
track, it's definitely still the
the road because every time 

1360
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,320
she's on the track it's just the
engines turn on and I'm chasing 

1361
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,800
her with a stroller and I'm 
going to die. 

1362
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,680
I feel like I'm dying. 
Oh, stroller on the track is 

1363
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,120
next level. 
It's stroll, stroller, 

1364
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,960
everything. 
So when you're when your wife's 

1365
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,920
going through a 7576 second 400 
and you're chasing her with a 

1366
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,720
stroller and try not to have a 
like myocardial infarction, 

1367
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:18,800
yeah, it's a heart attack. 
Yeah. 

1368
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:19,800
It's like, really? 
No. 

1369
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,520
Yeah, Rd. 
Can you register in to like an 

1370
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,880
open meet with a stroller? 
On the track, we're going to 

1371
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,520
find out. 
I've had a couple people ask 

1372
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,120
like, yeah, so Portland, there's
a bunch of running clubs in this

1373
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,680
area and they're, for those who 
do listen, why not? 

1374
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,000
There are a bunch of track meets
that are being done, local open 

1375
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,960
track meets. 
And so I'm, I'm thinking about, 

1376
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,440
even though I'm not in like mild
shape and well, I might tear my 

1377
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,080
hamstring off the bone, but it's
fine. 

1378
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,360
Imagine pulling up to like the 
oxy distance carnival and just 

1379
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,840
like having a stroller. 
Thinking about it, yeah, I don't

1380
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,720
know, that's a good question. 
But if I if I am going to race. 

1381
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,600
And do you have to pay 2 
registrations? 

1382
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,080
I would do it. 
It's for Isabella, yeah. 

1383
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,760
However put that it's going to 
get thrown off mid race for 

1384
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,680
sure. 
But yeah, if I'm going to run 

1385
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,240
any race right now, it's it's 
Isabella's going to be there 

1386
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,480
whether it's and if it's not 
allowed, I'm not going to do it.

1387
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,320
Hard luck, all right? 
I like it. 

1388
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,400
Hard luck. 
Yep, until she's out of the 

1389
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,920
stroller. 
That's just the way it goes. 

1390
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,279
All right, so not as much 
disagreement as I was hoping 

1391
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,200
for. 
I mean, we we are on the same 

1392
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,080
page now. 
The final last question is going

1393
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,520
to be if you are going to build 
your favorite super shoe, so 

1394
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,479
this has to be specifically 
super racing shoe. 

1395
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,399
You get to choose any upper, any
midsole, any outsole. 

1396
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,640
And of course, we we stole this 
from Yuan, who's been doing a 

1397
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,760
phenomenal job on Instagram with
supple running, doing some 

1398
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,760
really, really cool combination 
with this stuff. 

1399
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,920
We got to give a shout out to 
Barrett for that one. 

1400
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,600
That was his dream child, and 
Barrett and Grant have been 

1401
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,720
crushing it. 
It's it's phenomenal. 

1402
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,840
So on the podcast right now, 
what would be your perfect super

1403
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,399
shoe? 
Adidas Primax Strung OG upper, 

1404
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:09,479
Adidas Primex Strung OG midsole,
Adidas Primax Strung OG outsole 

1405
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,080
and then let's get the weight of
the Adidas Pro Evo 2. 

1406
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,000
That would be insane. 
If you if you could make that 

1407
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,600
for under 150 grams, that would 
just be the best shoe you you 

1408
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,479
do. 
Realize the cutouts on that 

1409
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,680
would make like your ankle would
roll if you just step like a 

1410
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,200
millimeter off like there's. 
The price as well. 

1411
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,520
Yeah, we did. 
We did a couple people message 

1412
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,279
in like when they were running 
in the original and then and 

1413
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,800
then the second one that some 
they turned and like had a 

1414
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,800
tibial tib fib fracture because 
they rolled their ankle and it's

1415
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,160
like so tall it just clean 
breakthrough both bones. 

1416
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,120
That's crazy. 
To make this more fun, though, 

1417
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,440
what if you could put other race
foams with the Alpha flies air 

1418
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:57,760
pods and have it be a lot 
lighter because the Alpha is not

1419
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,320
actually a super light shoe now 
compared to the comparatively. 

1420
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,840
Yeah. 
So take that meta speed ray 

1421
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,000
foam, the FFFF leap. 
Put that on the top layer. 

1422
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,040
Yeah, put something else on the 
bottom. 

1423
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,960
That's maybe Light Strike Pro, 
the classic Light Strike Pro. 

1424
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,680
If it's not super soft, that 
could be a cool shoe. 

1425
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,640
That sounds like my ankles. 
What's great? 

1426
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,760
But you have this classic light 
Strike Pro on the bottom, you 

1427
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,600
know from the audios Pro 3. 
That's the the stability. 

1428
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I I will say I haven't finished 

1429
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,320
this yet, but outsole, no matter
what shoe it is, I'm going to 

1430
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,080
choose the DDS audios pro fours 
outsole. 

1431
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,160
That thing is like a tank. 
It's a good one. 

1432
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,320
I no matter what I've done and I
took it on trail. 

1433
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,120
Shout out to David for inspiring
me. 

1434
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,440
I can't break it and that's the 
only shoe I have not been able. 

1435
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,040
To make did you go true to size?
So it's like. 

1436
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,400
So they didn't give me a choice 
on this, but I'm going to try to

1437
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,880
buy another pair. 
But I found it to fit a half 

1438
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,160
size. 
I need to go half size up. 

1439
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,840
I think. 
David, it fit you really well 

1440
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,160
'cause I sent you a pair of size
10s. 

1441
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,960
Yeah, yeah, the size, I'm a 9.5 
and I would say 10 fit me like. 

1442
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:03,960
I would go up a half size. 
I have like a toenail that's 

1443
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,360
finally healing from that shoe. 
Yeah, OK. 

1444
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,680
I went up half a size and I did 
not like that shoe. 

1445
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,160
And I did this whole speed test 
versus Vapor Fly, Alpha Fly and 

1446
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:20,360
Deviate Nitroli 3 and the audios
just felt so soft and also big 

1447
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,600
in the heel. 
So I was wondering man, maybe I 

1448
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,960
don't like it because I went up 
half a size. 

1449
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,760
That's why it's feeling like a 
hot mess to me. 

1450
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,880
So I want to try it true to size
and see if that changes because 

1451
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,720
it is a fast shoe, especially 
once I get up on the forefoot 

1452
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,960
and start turning over sub six 
minute pace. 

1453
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,720
But when I'm cruising or just 
not absolutely ripping I it just

1454
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,920
feels like melted ice cream to 
me. 

1455
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,600
I would definitely agree that 
that shoe is a very specific 

1456
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,520
place that if you're not running
fast, it's just, it's unstable. 

1457
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,600
It it's really soft, but once 
you pick up the pace, it's 

1458
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:52,760
better. 
I'm almost not wondering if 

1459
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,000
we're going to have switching 
where like if I go up to 1/2 

1460
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,920
size, I'm not going to like it 
because I'm not going to 

1461
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,520
transition. 
Well, you go down to half size, 

1462
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,160
you're going to like it. 
Which, yeah, David's going to be

1463
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,400
the tiebreaker between two of 
us. 

1464
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,040
I got to try it true to size 
too, because who knows, I might 

1465
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,400
like it better. 
True to size. 

1466
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,160
You didn't like it. 
I only know my experience as 

1467
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,800
above. 
Well, I haven't tried it true to

1468
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,040
size. 
I liked it, you know, as far as 

1469
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,520
like half size up, but I just 
didn't try it as but I know what

1470
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,160
you mean with the healed 
sensation. 

1471
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:25,120
It felt a little yeah. 
For my super shoe. 

1472
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,720
I've been like trying to think 
about it. 

1473
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,600
That's a tough one. 
I think I'm going to go upper of

1474
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:35,120
the Saucony Endorphin Elite one.
I liked the volume in the 

1475
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,520
forefoot. 
I liked the width. 

1476
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,720
I felt like it locked down good 
in the heel, in the midfoot and 

1477
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,600
the lacing system was pretty 
comfortable. 

1478
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,440
Obviously, I ran a marathon in 
that. 

1479
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,920
I ran a couple marathons in that
shoe and then I would think 

1480
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,120
midsole. 
I'm probably going to go a Six 

1481
01:12:52,120 --> 01:13:01,200
Meta Speed Edge Tokyo, and then 
outsole, I'm kind of torn, but I

1482
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,960
think I'm going to go with 
Adidas Audios Pro 4I, like that 

1483
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,520
Continental outsole as well. 
It's really grippy. 

1484
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,640
It's really durable. 
I actually do like the ASIC 

1485
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,640
script outsole as well and it's 
really lightweight and it's it's

1486
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,200
been pretty durable for me too. 
I haven't really been able to 

1487
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,680
break it yet. 
Not that I hammer miles into the

1488
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,720
Super shoes, but like I I 
haven't really killed it in any 

1489
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,480
of the models that we've gotten 
it over the years. 

1490
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:30,160
So one of those two outsoles. 
I think I think I would probably

1491
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,520
go continental though, just 
because that one does feel 

1492
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,840
sticky. 
It's not very often you get like

1493
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,000
a super shoe outsole that feels 
sticky. 

1494
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:40,200
Like I feel like I can trust 
that in a pretty good variety of

1495
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,760
situations. 
So then I guess yeah, the Audios

1496
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,520
Pro 4 bottom edge, Tokyo midsole
Endorphin Elite upper. 

1497
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,400
That's a banger right there. 
So I'm going to do Endorphin 

1498
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:57,600
Elite one bangers only, 
Endorphin Elite 1 upper, Alpha 

1499
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:04,840
Fly 3 midsole, and audios Pro 4 
outsole. 

1500
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:12,320
But I want the midsole of the 
alpha fly to come up as nicely 

1501
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,280
as it does in the Endorphin 
Elite 1. 

1502
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,560
So like where it comes up like 
the sidewalls and stuff like 

1503
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,800
that. 
I want that same thing to come 

1504
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,040
because you could argue 
tactically it's almost part of 

1505
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,560
the upper because it's coming 
along the side of the foot. 

1506
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,200
I want those sidewalls. 
So that's what I would make. 

1507
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,120
That's right. 
You want it if you have. 

1508
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:33,280
If you have to choose something 
other than the OG Adidas, what 

1509
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:33,960
are you? 
What are you? 

1510
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,320
Making yeah, I think I'm 
frankensteining the Alphafly 

1511
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,800
Airpods into something else, a 
slightly softer top layer with 

1512
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,600
the so I haven't tried the FF 
fleet, but maybe on cloud boom, 

1513
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,720
strike top layer. 
So I'm going to get something, 

1514
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,920
something that's soft enough but
it's not distracting. 

1515
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,320
The sock layer exactly and count
that with another missile. 

1516
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,520
Exactly that with the alpha fly 
bottom layer of the classic 

1517
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,000
Light Strike Pro with the the 
Puma deviate Nitro elite 3 

1518
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,880
outsole. 
And then we got to throw a bone 

1519
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,960
to the Vapor Fly because Vapor 
Fly 4 has not been mentioned at 

1520
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,000
all on this podcast because 
that's a completely mid shoe. 

1521
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,520
But what was great about that 
shoe was the upper. 

1522
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,640
That was one of the best upper. 
Very simple, fit well. 

1523
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,920
So I'll put the Vapor Fly 4 
upper on top. 

1524
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,640
Oh, here I was thinking that you
were going to go in line with 

1525
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,480
Andrew, but that last comment, 
you guys went totally different 

1526
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,440
directions. 
She liked the vapor. 

1527
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,400
She did not like the upper it 
just it was half size half size 

1528
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,120
off for her and like little too 
constructive. 

1529
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,960
Just like, yeah. 
Sweet. 

1530
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,120
But volume is a little lower, 
definitely it's more. 

1531
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,760
And then the stretchy, I like 
the stretchy laces on it too. 

1532
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,400
It's just something to both 
those they just it hit right. 

1533
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,480
Yeah, I know some people loved 
it. 

1534
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,800
I I was it. 
It didn't hit me. 

1535
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,160
That was good. 
But. 

1536
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,040
What would you want to what 
would you do? 

1537
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,120
Hold on, what would you do to 
save the vapor fly? 

1538
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,320
We this is what we need. 
To save the vapor fly, I don't 

1539
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,680
know if it needs. 
Saving. 

1540
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,280
It's just different now. 
I think it's back where it 

1541
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,800
should be. 
It's it's got the lighter 

1542
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,920
weight. 
The 5.9 oz 5.9 now says is so 

1543
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,440
much better because honestly the
previous version like even 

1544
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:15,040
though there was a weight 
difference, to me the softness 

1545
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,840
was starting to overlap with the
Alpha fly. 

1546
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,720
I think now there is this 
distinct difference between the 

1547
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,560
Alpha fly, Vapor Fly, and the 
Streak fly. 

1548
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,680
They are three appropriately 
unique shoes, which also makes 

1549
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,280
sense with what Nike is doing in
terms of their like 3 types. 

1550
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,640
It it makes sense Now does the 
imply work? 

1551
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,920
Is it the same in my opinion, 
marathon shoe? 

1552
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,960
It used to be no. 
I think it's more that mid, you 

1553
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,240
know? 
Mid Yeah. 

1554
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,600
Unique MK. 
The elite elite can probably 

1555
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,200
take it for full. 
The people that can handle less 

1556
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,680
shoe can take it full. 
But I think it's a distinctive 

1557
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,080
purpose so different. 
So I don't I don't think it 

1558
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:52,440
needs to be changed. 
I think it. 

1559
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,920
I mean it's not that much 
different from the OG Vapor Fly 

1560
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,920
in terms of stack like. 
The. 

1561
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,480
Foam they had no problem taking 
that 26 point. 

1562
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:03,320
Three, no, it's that's not the 
issue for me. 

1563
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,880
It's just the foam does not feel
and especially David with you 

1564
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,240
just running in that brand new 
awesome FF leap. 

1565
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:13,920
It's like going from that back 
to the Zoom X or just any of 

1566
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,040
these new foams, even the FF 
Turbo back to the Zoom X. 

1567
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,040
It doesn't have the bite, it 
doesn't have the fluffiness, it 

1568
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,840
doesn't have the comfort. 
It just doesn't do it for me. 

1569
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,040
It's very center of the road 
which could be good especially 

1570
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,240
if you get it on discount but. 
My question, though, is because 

1571
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,680
what I'm I had the exact same 
thought as you wanna, but I'm 

1572
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,360
also wondering if we've gotten 
spoiled now that our nervous 

1573
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,440
systems are used to such soft 
foams compared to that. 

1574
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:39,400
I don't know if you ever ran in 
the you did You tried the OG, 

1575
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,720
right? 
Yeah, I just tried. 

1576
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,120
Yeah, that's right. 
So I remember that thing being 

1577
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,960
insanely bouncy. 
What did you just ran in it? 

1578
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,960
How did you feel the midsole was
compared to other things? 

1579
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,680
It compared really well to 
everything else in the market. 

1580
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,560
The next day or two days later I
ran in the Brooks Hyperion Elite

1581
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,800
4PB and that shoe did not feel 
better than the six year old or 

1582
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,200
7 year old OG Vapor Fly. 
All right, Well then I'm gonna. 

1583
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,920
Was that the 4% or is that the? 
The OOG or next percent OOG? 

1584
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,320
I think you remember 4G. 
Yeah, I have the. 4% as well, 

1585
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,800
but this is the OG with the fly 
knit. 

1586
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,360
Yeah, yeah. 
So I. 

1587
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,600
Controversial topic, That's the 
fly knit. 

1588
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:25,440
I feel like that was a different
midsole from the original. 

1589
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,160
I like the flying image. 
I appreciated it. 

1590
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,200
I didn't feel like it had the 
same bounce as the original. 

1591
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:32,520
I thought it was really 
bouncing. 

1592
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,160
I mean it was especially for 
that time, but I feel like the 

1593
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,920
oog, the non flying. 
It was like the ultimate 1 

1594
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,040
still, So I will that makes me 
feel better. 

1595
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,040
You wanted to go. 
OK, so you know what I'm going 

1596
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,160
to agree with you on the new 
April fly four that it doesn't 

1597
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,760
have the same bounce. 
I was hoping for with not that 

1598
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,920
different as stack kite. 
So I was hoping for more from 

1599
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,240
that. 
Is it light? 

1600
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,120
Is it lighter? 
Absolutely. 

1601
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,480
Especially compared to the 
street fly because that thing is

1602
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,000
so fast. 
Yeah, it's a great shoe. 

1603
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,920
Nike did very good job with the 
street fly. 

1604
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,880
But before we get into an hour 
and a half plus, we are going to

1605
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,240
land this and you want to thank 
you so much for coming on. 

1606
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,520
We're definitely going to have 
you back if that works for you. 

1607
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,720
Please, please, please, we gave 
some shout outs to this earlier,

1608
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,240
but please you can find him on 
YouTube, obviously at you wanna.

1609
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,080
You can find him on the Supple 
app which has a phenomenal 

1610
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,480
marketplace, the shoe database 
which is very, very well updated

1611
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:28,360
and you can you'll find a bit 
Supple running on instagram.com.

1612
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,000
Is there any social media that I
am missing? 

1613
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,080
Obviously the website has 
written reviews that are getting

1614
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,760
developed. 
There any other places that 

1615
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,200
people can find you if they are 
looking for you? 

1616
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,120
Yeah, for sure. 
We have the website supple.com 

1617
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,360
and then this is low key for the
real sickos. 

1618
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,560
We do also have a podcast feed 
of the videos for people who 

1619
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,680
want to run on their cooldown. 
After you finish the Doctors of 

1620
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,160
Running podcast you could search
my name or you could search 

1621
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,960
Daily Hobby Jogger show where 
you have a audio feed over 

1622
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,600
there. 
I'm so happy you did that. 

1623
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,600
Remember there was a comment not
too long ago where you're like, 

1624
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,720
oh, should I start a podcast? 
I'm like, dude, just take the 

1625
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,360
audio and just put it on like 
it's great. 

1626
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:06,720
It'll do the same thing. 
You voice. 

1627
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,320
Your voice is good. 
You've had it. 

1628
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,440
Yeah, that's awesome. 
Great. 

1629
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,160
So obviously now you can find it
in podcast form as well. 

1630
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,440
You can find us in the same band
of the channels you YouTube, 

1631
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:20,920
LinkedIn, the website, all the 
different places Instagram. 

1632
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,400
We have a lot and obviously the 
podcast can be found in all the 

1633
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,040
classes places like Spotify, 
iTunes and what have you. 

1634
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,560
We are just a group of people, 
all of us just trying to provide

1635
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,360
some good content, help people 
out and hopefully help you all 

1636
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,920
make better decisions. 
If you are seeing us on YouTube 

1637
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,640
or Spotify or wherever, please 
if you have questions or 

1638
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,200
comments, let us know below what
you think whether you agree or 

1639
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,080
disagree with some of our this 
or that or buy or sell stuff. 

1640
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,520
We're hoping that that some of 
that caused some controversy 

1641
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,000
because the whole, the whole 
point of this is getting you to 

1642
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,640
think. 
If you're thinking you're 

1643
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,400
learning, you're going to make 
better decisions about what you 

1644
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,680
put on your feet and hope you 
can go out there and run and not

1645
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:54,760
have to think about it.