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Welcome to the Doctors of 
Running podcast where we, a 

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group of doctors of physical 
therapy, discuss the art and 

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science of running and the stuff
that we put on our feet. 

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It's that time where we are 
going to be going through our 

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favorite shoes from 2023. 
This is going to be broken up 

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into two parts. 
So this is the first of a 

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two-part series on our favorite 
shoes of the year. 

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Because believe it or not, when 
it comes to talking about our 

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favorite shoes, we get a little 
bit long winded. 

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So in the first part, you're 
going to be hearing from Andrea,

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David and Matt, and they're 
going to be talking through 

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their favorite daily trainers, 
favorite stability shoes and 

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favorite performance trainers 
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And they're also going to be 
providing their runner up. 

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In Part 2. 
You're going to be hearing their

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favorite picks for long distance
racing shoes, short distance 

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racing shoes and trail shoes. 
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and we're excited to share kind 
of all of our favorite picks 

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from this year. 
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point out is just how thankful 
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supporting us in this past year.
It's been another huge year of 

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growth for us and we've just 
been having a lot of fun along 

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the way with our team. 
And if you would like to 

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contribute to being a part of 
the work that we're doing and 

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help make it easier for us to 
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can visit our coffee site. 
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Running that allows you if you 
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our work. 
All of that money goes straight 

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to us and contributes to the 
work that we're doing. 

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But let's jump into the episode 
and hear from Matt, David and 

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Andrea. 
Today we are very lucky to have 

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a unique team. 
The three of us don't always get

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to see each other because we 
like kind of like kind of go in 

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and out. 
But I'm super excited to have 

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with me Doctor Andrew Myers and 
Doctor David Selas. 

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I'm of course a Matt Klein 
founder and I am very fortunate 

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to have all this together. 
It feels like it's like like 

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Riverside Holiday. 
It's really, really nice. 

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Yeah. 
This is great. 

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So it's great. 
Right. 

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We are going to do a special 
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We're doing the best of for 
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We've got a couple different 
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trainers, performance trainers, 
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shoe, 5K10K5 KA half marathon, 
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course David's favorite trail, 
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of Rd. shoes that he took on. 
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we don't know. 
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line up. 
I'm really excited. 

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I think we're probably going to 
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I'm excited to have some mild 
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different choices, but we'll see
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This is always really fun. 
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how's everybody? 
How's everybody doing? 

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I haven't seen, we haven't all 
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So what's up? 
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I'm getting ready for the Osaka 
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so training is back in full 
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Lots of bike fitting PT, you 
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Sweet. 
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marathon. 
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and finished solidly at CIM and 
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a bathroom break, which is a 
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I'm sorry, David. 
It's terrible. 

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At least you two can finish 
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I'm not here going. 
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that. 
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doing good. 
This has been kind of a wild 

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interesting shoes come out, some
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as well. 
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stuff like it's been a cool year
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And I'm always, as always, I 
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be able to do and have the 
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that we have with different 
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hopefully help you, the listener
and watcher be able to make some

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decisions about what my worst 
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Because we're I I I can speak 
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I don't know about YouTube, but 
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for me and that seems to also 
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So yeah, are you 2 ready to talk
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For 2023, definitely ready. 
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All right, so as the kind of 
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gonna start with this first. 
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some of the racing shoes can be,
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runners in the world do are done
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This is the bread and butter of 
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wearing. 
Most of the time I'm going to do

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an episode talking about some of
my concerns about doing too many

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miles in super shoes and things 
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this, this time what our thing 
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best daily trainers of 2023. 
So who wants to go first? 

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Who wants to throw their 
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Daily Trainer? 
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me. 
I'm on my third pair for this 

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year, so I've got probably 506 
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Brooks Hyperion Max. 
This is a shoe that when I got 

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it, I didn't think I was going 
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Haven't loved a lot of Brooks 
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that's definitely changed this 
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But I've just been this is my go
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I do easy runs on it, long runs,
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really nothing this shoe can't 
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Which is why I'm on my third 
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about it. 
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moderate stack height, I think 
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mistaken. 
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feel really high and it's not 
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still get some ground feel. 
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This nice heel bevel here 
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little less than an 8mm drop for
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foot rocker that really gives 
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feeling at easy paces and then 
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the more you pick up the pace. 
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morning with some marathon pace 
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solidified every time I run in 
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It's like this is the best year 
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terms of just its overall 
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So the most important question 
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is if you had to make a choice 
between the beacon and the 

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Hyperion Max, which would you 
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I I can't remember what episode 
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the yeah. 
Oh, we did. 

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Oh, no, I already. 
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Put a caveat here, the beacon no
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choose the Hyperion Max. 
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existed, that would be a really 
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I would probably choose the 
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rides, but the one thing I 
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how not durable it was. 
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miles on it because the outsole 
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This is my old pair that has 
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still in pretty good shape. 
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Beacon doesn't, it's my top 
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say. 
Not worth going searching. 

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Not worth searching through the 
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to get another pair of beacon 
you'll stick with. 

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A head, but I still do have one 
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OK, got it. 
Just, just holding on. 

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For for a rainy day. 
Got it. 

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All right. 
So that's for a rainy day. 

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Got it. 
All right. 

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David, what's your daily 
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Yeah, this. 
So this one's an interesting one

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because I feel like people that 
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I have just like done a lot of 
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shoe for 11 months of the year 
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I I want to give that quick 
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honorable mention for me. 
The Saucony ride 16. 

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So I've done a lot of miles in 
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I've literally done track 
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It's kind of like that stable, 
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there's like it's a little bit 
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Like I always joke, it's like 
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and there's like some nice soul 
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predictive, I don't know, it's 
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ride and it gets the job done 
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leave bells and whistles about 
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You know, it's just a very 
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And that was my shoe and I 
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shoe for almost the entire year.
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17. 
So the Bomero Slayer like one of

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those shoes where I almost like 
I didn't know what to expect 

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when I had gotten it, but I 
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much. 
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like kind of the simplicity that
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Riot. 
I got that in this, but there 

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was also that layer of Zoom X 
and it it wasn't overbearing, it

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did enough to give some 
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more liveliness to that toe off 
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simple, neutral daily training 
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And so it was a classic feel, 
hugged my foot well. 

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The upper was comfortable, 
everything about it was nice. 

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help stabilize that a little bit
where it's like it, I I don't 

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know how much it actually helps,
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a centralization feel, at least 
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And yeah, just neutral workhorse
trainer and even though it has 

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that Zoom X, it's a little bit 
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The blogs on the bottom actually
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Those that know me know I run on
a lot of things that aren't just

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Rd. so it's kind of a shoe. 
I can take a little bit of 

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everywhere. 
It doesn't feel horrible doing 

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strides. 
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I wouldn't really do workouts in
this one, and you could, but I I

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think I'd rather stick to daily 
efforts. 

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But for just log and miles, it 
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And I mean, in our world, if you
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that's kind of like an 
accomplishment. 

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And I've only had this shoe. 
I mean, when did we get this? 

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Like early December, maybe late 
November, I. 

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Think it was more October, just 
October. 

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Was it earlier? 
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Yeah. 
OK, well never mind. 

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But I still have about 100 miles
on these, you know, and that's 

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that's across reviewing other 
shoes and in the like last week 

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or so leading up to CIMI stopped
testing other shoes and just ran

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only in my Lumeras because I 
didn't want to risk any injury 

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or anything. 
So the Bomero has quickly become

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kind of like a fun daily 
training option and it added 

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some life to the steps and I 
appreciated that. 

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So wait, which? 
Which one gets your overall top 

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daily trainer of the year? 
Oh, the Bomero. 

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Oh, Mero does. 
OK, got it. 

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Wasn't clear about that. 
No. 

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OK, just want to clarify. 
Yeah. 

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OK. 
Got it. 

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So the Nike Bomero 17 got. 
It. 

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Got it. 
Got it, got it. 

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All right, all right. 
That makes sense. 

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So it was the Saucony ride up 
until we got this guy, got it 

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and then. 
Yeah. 

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Now I have to, I have to 
certainly agree with David, but 

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I'm actually going to go with 
his original choice for mine 

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because the Saucony ride was 
just one of those. 

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David already mentioned the 
things that I really, really 

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enjoyed where it's one of the 
lighter trainers on the market. 

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It's definitely stable, neutral,
did a good job of this. 

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I actually preferred this over 
the Guide 16 because I found the

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Guide 16 that that plastic piece
to just be too aggressive and 

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too like in my arch. 
This did perfect. 

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So this the ride has been and 
I've got well over 100 miles on 

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my pair and we I still need to 
do 100 mile review of this and 

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I'm going to plug you to 
remember to do 100 mile review 

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on the Vimero 17 please. 
I really want to hear your full 

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thoughts on it but the 
snappiness is a shoe. 

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I we've all three of us have 
talked about this but before we 

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actually got on here is that 
I've been trying to do a little 

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bit less workouts in the in 
super shoes and part of that's 

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also because we haven't gotten 
anything any major new stuff at 

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the moment except DL Fly 3 which
ruined. 

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I was going to say that, yeah, 
that's a big lie. 

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So I've done a lot of workouts 
in this shoe, a lot of my easy 

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runs, and it's just firm enough 
to be to be something I really 

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like. 
It's not mushy, but it's also to

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be. 
It's snappy enough that can 

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handle up tempo stuff, workout 
super easily. 

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But it's also smooth enough to 
handle long runs if you like 

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something just a teeny bit 
firmer because the stack height 

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has increased from prior 
versions at least as as the 15 

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did. 
So really nice refined version. 

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So this is my daily training 
shoe of the year for those 

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reason. 
Fit really good kind of 

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everything I wanted from 
basically Essentially A 

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lightweight trainer that's 
really a daily trainer. 

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So that's mine. 
Now what I want to follow up 

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with, what is your? 
Unless you said it already, what

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would be your runner up Daily 
trainer of the year? 

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Oh well, mine would be the 
Saucony ride. 

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Got it. 
Andrea. 

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Well, I'm gonna say mine would 
be one that we got recently, the

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A6 Nova Blast 4, which is 
actually my stable neutral 

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choice got. 
It solid shoe. 

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Another shoe that I wasn't sure 
I would like 8mm drop, you know,

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huge posterior sole flare, but I
love the shoe so and. 

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Wait, is your midsole? 
Does it have two different 

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colors? 
It does it's very best. 

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Yeah. 
David, you also have the green. 

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I've got the green. 
On green, the thing, it's like 

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slimed out, yeah. 
Got it. 

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It's like literally just 
monochrome the entire shoe. 

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So. 
Yeah, I like the Nova Blast 4 so

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much. 
I thought about using it on my 

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like medium long run today That 
stuck with my trusty Hyperion 

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Max. 
But and Nova Blast Four was a 

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nice, pleasant surprise for me 
at the end of the year. 

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Awesome. 
I think it's a great choice. 

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So I'm actually gonna have to go
the opposite way of David, as I 

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felt the same about the Nike 
Vomera, where it's this shoe 

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that just kind of crept up on me
and I was like, I didn't. 

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Some of the fit honestly felt a 
little bit off. 

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Like it feels like almost like a
tiny bit long even though it 

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isn't. 
And but the more miles I got in 

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the more I'm like, this is just 
a solid daily training shoe. 

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And so for that reason I'm going
to have to give the Vimera, 

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which I never thought I would 
after years ago. 

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And what's going on with this 
shoe, the runner up award. 

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The other shoe I got to give a 
shout out to is the sake Triumph

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21, which I've got 100 miles on 
and like the previous version 

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has done extremely well. 
Mitchell is a little bit more 

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bouncy. 
It's not quite. 

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It's not always stable up for me
unless I'm really working on my 

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strength and lower body 
stability. 

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But Triumph 21 Vimera and Vimiro
17 both really solid runner up 

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options as Daily Trainers of the
Year and there was some really 

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good stuff this year, so I was 
really, really impressed. 

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Anything else you two want to 
add to Final thoughts on Daily 

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Trainer of the Year? 
I would say, I would echo your 

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comments about the Vimiro 17. 
Well, it wasn't one of my top 

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two. 
The fit of the rear foot was 

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just, it was the best fitting 
rear foot of the year and that's

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kind of a weird prize to give a 
shoe. 

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But just the second I put it on,
I was like, this feels amazing. 

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Yeah, and it just feels so like 
plush. 

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You're almost like you're 
running in like a slipper. 

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It was a little clunky for me, 
but which is why it's not one of

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my top ones. 
But I definitely liked the side 

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walls and the rear foot and just
the overall fit. 

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Yeah, the rear foot was just a 
teeny bit clunky and then all of

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a sudden you're like, why do I 
keep grabbing this shoe? 

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I still don't understand, but so
I get it. 

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Dave, any thoughts from you? 
No, I'm trying to think of who 

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has the best rear foot fit of 
the year now are. 

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We adding. 
Categories now the most like 

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obscure categories possible 
like. 

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We should do that. 
We should have like a rear. 

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Crash table here. 
Best Crash Band Best Side Walls 

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Best Rear Foot Best Best Heel 
Bevel Best. 

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That's a great. 
Question. 

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Oh man. 
All right. 

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Are we ready to do either a 
stability shoe or stable neutral

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shoe of the year? 
Yeah, we could do that. 

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All right. 
Are you 2 OK if I go first, 

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since I'm the one that typically
needs more stability? 

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I'm gonna laugh, remember? 
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you 

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off there, but remember, we were
doing the ranking on stability 

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episode and we just kept waiting
to disagree with each other and 

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we did the same. 
I'm like totally waiting for 

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this best of episode. 
And we're usually polar 

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opposites to be like this one, 
this one, this. 

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One we might change here, so 
we'll have to see, but my 

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stability shoe of the year is 
the ASICS GT 2012. 

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This shoe blew me away. 
I've got about 150 miles on my 

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pair and I have just really, 
really love what they've done 

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with this shoe And I'm going to 
say it again that again, best 

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writing the new foam that's 
under foot gives it a lot more 

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like not like a super shoe, but 
a good amount more training 

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bounce. 
It's a shoe. 

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I've done long runs and really 
comfortably and I personally 

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this year between breaking my 
toe early in the year, just the 

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amount of stuff that I've had to
do have it, you know my wife 

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giving birth to a child, all 
this stuff. 

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It's been really hard for me to 
get back into doing long runs 

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because I haven't had the energy
or the time. 

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This has been one of the few 
shoes that I know I can do a 

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long run in because I trusted 
enough. 

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It's they've redesigned how they
do stability so the medial post 

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is gone but it's still more like
geometric stability that 

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actually provides a good amount 
of medial support throughout. 

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So it it's just such a smooth 
ride the the heel is gotten so 

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much better. 
Could it still be a little bit 

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better? 
Yes. 

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But the way they've set up, the 
geometry just collapses so 

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nicely and essentially a crash 
back. 

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And David's favorite in the rear
foot fits really nice kind of 

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borders between that, like 
performance and daily trainer 

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fit. 
So again, I've done workouts 

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long runs, I've done everything 
in this shoe, and I really got 

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to say that the GT2000 series 
has really come forward as a top

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contender this year. 
And that's why this shoe is by 

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far my favorite stability shoe 
of 2023. 

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Well Dang, now I feel like I 
have to try it. 

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Yeah, you should. 
I really like it. 

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All right, who wants to go next?
I can go next. 

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So I didn't get the GT 2000, so 
that's not my pick. 

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So they're actually from a pure 
stability category. 

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I didn't really get wowed by any
specific models across this 

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year. 
Like there was a lot of good 

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ones, but there wasn't really 
anything that I was like, yes, 

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that is true of the year. 
So I'm going to be a little bit 

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more on the stable neutral 
category here, but they do 

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market it as elements of 
stability and some light 

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stability. 
My pick is going to be now I got

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to remember which number it is 
on the model. 

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I think it's seven. 
Yeah, it is OK. 

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The Hoka Stinson 7 solid choice,
yeah, the so all terrain type 

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shoe, a lot of people think of 
it as specifically a trail shoe,

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but they mark it as an all 
terrain. 

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It's kind of like, but you had 
your finger. 

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Up I, I, I. 
So we we talked about this 

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briefly, but it's got the same 
elements that the Gevoita has. 

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I forget what it's called. 
It's like an H Yeah, sorry, I 

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can't pronounce that. 
It's got that like H stability 

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thing that they talk about. 
Yeah. 

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That H frame in there. 
Yeah. 

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The H frame. 
Yeah. 

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I. 
So I think this is actually 

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based on what you and I talked 
about during our stability 

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comparison. 
I think you're totally valid in 

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adding this in the stability, 
but why do you think? 

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Yeah, I mean it's just really 
built. 

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I mean, OK, this is a chunky 
shoe. 

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There's a lot going on here. 
So if you don't like heavy 

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shoes, this is not going to be 
for you. 

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But at all those boxes we talked
about, it checks. 

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It's got a wide base, it's got 
good sole flaring. 

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The upper is it has a little bit
of stretch trip. 

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But again, this is kind of like 
an all terrain, like there's 

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that thing locks down. 
It's meant to be able to tackle 

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trails too, and it's a very 
trustworthy platform, good 

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traction from the lugs. 
And then that H frame 

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underneath, it's set up almost 
like you have two separate crash

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pads where you kind of have like
kind of that firmness that comes

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here if your listeners. 
I'm basically looking at the 

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heel here, and along the medial 
and lateral aspect, there's kind

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of like a firmer piece of foam 
in there. 

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And then there's like a cut out 
kind of underneath that 

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calcaneus and underneath the 
forefoot. 

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And I might have the 
anthropometrics of this a little

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bit off, you know, from what it 
like exactly is. 

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But that's essentially what it 
comes down to is that there's a 

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little bit of give here and a 
little bit of give here and 

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there's a little bit of rigidity
elsewhere kind of giving you 

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some guidance and keeping you 
centered. 

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So the overall ride, I mean it's
it's plush and protective, but 

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it's still on the firmer side, 
it's an Eva based shoe. 

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So I feel like even though it's 
pretty high up, was like 42mm of

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stack is that? 
Oh, I think it's it's above 

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that, yeah. 
Oh, no, wait, this one's, like, 

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47. 
Yeah, it's. 4647. 

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It's a mass. 
I don't know which. 

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Which one am I thinking of as 
42? 

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Yeah, no, it's 47. 
You're right. 

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This thing's high up. 
Yeah. 

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Does not feel like 47 though. 
I feel like it actually. 

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Like they do a good job of 
stabilizing 47mm of foam. 

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That's a lot of foam to work 
with. 

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So I think they did a great job.
They have good, like even the 

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sidewalls, the soul fire and the
traction, like everything checks

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those boxes. 
And if you don't mind the shoe 

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being over 11 oz, was it 12? 
It's 11, right? 

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It's, it's under 12, I think I. 
Don't remember? 

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It's a good question. 
Yeah, I should have looked that 

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one up before calling. 
It out I would also I would add 

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that. 
Definitely north of 11, maybe 

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north of 12. 
Yeah, I'd also add that it's by 

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far one of the most stable trail
shoes. 

450
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,680
It's a road trail shoe, 
technically correct. 

451
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,320
Yeah, it's it's like an all 
terrain yet all terrain, 

452
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,160
whatever. 
Yeah. 

453
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,440
It's by far the most stable 
trail shoe and people often ask 

454
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,880
like, hey, what's is there any 
stability trail shoes? 

455
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,400
And honestly, I can't. 
There's not a ton out in the 

456
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000
market. 
I mean, the A6 Trabuco used to 

457
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,760
have a medial post and I haven't
tried it recently and I don't 

458
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,200
know if that's still present, 
but this is actually a great 

459
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,080
option if you truly need 
stability and trails, I think 

460
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,680
it's that's awesome. 
So Andrew, Are you ready? 

461
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,680
I'm ready. 
So for listeners who don't know 

462
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,000
main stability, like traditional
stability, don't get along, no 

463
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,520
one sends me stability shoes, 
'cause they have been told that 

464
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,800
I will not like them, but I 
there are tons of stable, 

465
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,920
neutral shoes that I like. 
So my choice, which I mentioned 

466
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,160
before, is the A6 Nova blast 
form. 

467
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,520
And you know we talk a lot about
how stability for one person is 

468
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,600
different than stability for 
another person. 

469
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,640
So it depends on your bio 
mechanics, it depends on any 

470
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,600
specific issues you have with 
strength, mobility, ligamentous 

471
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,960
laxity. 
So many factors go into what 

472
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,920
stable means for an individual. 
So for me, I've sprained my 

473
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320
ankles, who knows how many times
I grew up playing basketball, 

474
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,680
had a really bad sprain a few 
years ago in a trailer race, so 

475
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,840
and I land on my lateral mid 
foot. 

476
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,680
So I need shoes that basically 
help me to not land too far 

477
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,400
laterally, and the Novoblast 4 
does a great job of that because

478
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,320
of how the four foot sole flare 
is oriented. 

479
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,320
I don't know if you can see in 
the video, but on the lateral 

480
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,560
side, the sole flare extends a 
little further posteriorly than 

481
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,960
on the medial side. 
So it really corresponds nicely 

482
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,800
to where I land and I feel like 
it gives me like I land at the 

483
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,040
widest part of the shoe. 
And the other thing that I 

484
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,120
really like about this shoe is 
unlike a lot of ASICS shoes 

485
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,840
where the four foot rocker 
starts really early, the four 

486
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,080
foot rocker starts a little 
later in this shoe. 

487
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,080
So it actually gives me time to 
land and roll forward before 

488
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,040
hitting that rocker. 
Shoes like the magic speed, 

489
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,960
which I actually like, but the 
four foot rocker starts so early

490
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,160
it feels like I just land and 
then boom, like the rocker 

491
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,840
pushes me forward. 
And that's OK when I'm running 

492
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,760
fast, but when I'm running 
slower it just it feels very 

493
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,320
unstable for me. 
So the main thing that I really 

494
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,600
like about this year regarding 
stability is the design of the 

495
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,080
four foot sole flare. 
But the other thing that's 

496
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800
really great about this shoe is 
just how well the upper fits. 

497
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:14,040
They've really integrated the 
tongue nicely with the upper and

498
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,080
it just really locks down your 
mid foot nicely. 

499
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Didn't have any issues with heel
slippage or any irritation from 

500
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,400
the laces or the tongue. 
So yeah, this, this shoe, I've 

501
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,280
done a lot of like, you know, 45
minute to hour runs on it, but I

502
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,160
am definitely going to use it on
some easier long runs because I 

503
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,560
think it'll be quite comfortable
for that. 

504
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,000
The other thing I want to say 
yeah and have you how long? 

505
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,080
Have you taken yours? 
Yeah, nice. 

506
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,920
Yeah. 
And it was good, yeah. 

507
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,640
The other thing I want to 
mention about this shoe, which 

508
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,360
has maybe some to do with 
stability, but more so just how 

509
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,200
it performs for people who land 
further forward. 

510
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,000
You know you could have a shoe 
that's like 35mm in the heel, 

511
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,320
but if it's an 8 or 10mm drop, 
the forefoot really isn't that 

512
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,920
cushioned. 
But because of this shoe for 

513
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,440
women it's 40 1/2 in the heel, 
32.5 in the forefoot. 

514
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,320
I still get a ton of cushion 
where I land and the midsole in 

515
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,800
the shoe is not super soft like 
it has a little bit of give, but

516
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,560
it's definitely quite 
protective. 

517
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,800
So it just it is so comfortable 
to run in and it actually feels 

518
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,200
like it gives me the four foot 
cushioning that I'm looking for.

519
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,440
So definitely my choice for 
stable, neutral and my runner up

520
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,960
for trainer of the arm, so I'm 
very happy I got this year to 

521
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,160
test. 
Sweet. 

522
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,080
All right, those are great. 
So we're ready for some runner 

523
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,840
UPS. 
For stability, yeah. 

524
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

525
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,400
So I'm going to. 
I know this is kind of more in 

526
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,960
the racing realm but it is a 
stability shoe so I got to give 

527
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,400
Brooks a shout out for the 
Hyperion Gtsi have well over 100

528
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,080
miles in my pair and it is not a
super shoe if the foam is not 

529
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520
super it is not maximal stack 
height. 

530
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,640
But I feel like my love for this
is similar to Andrea's love for 

531
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,960
the Hyperion Max, where like for
me, like I I thrived years ago 

532
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,680
we had all these like I was, I 
came in at the very tail end of 

533
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,240
when they actually had stability
racing shoes and then those all 

534
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,960
disappear, right. 
Kind of people kind of went the 

535
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
minimalist route, then they went
Maximus and all that got left 

536
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
behind. 
So this is one of the, this is 

537
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,640
the lightest stability shoe that
I know of on the market right 

538
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,200
now. 
Is it aggressive? 

539
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,240
No, it's just got side walls on 
the medial and lateral side. 

540
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,520
That's it. 
It's got a wider base, but it's 

541
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,680
still a shoe that can go faster,
which I really, really like 

542
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,200
this. 
And The Tempest, The Tempest was

543
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,160
20/22. 
This and The Tempest have kind 

544
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,200
of been go to shoes for me 
again, especially this year 

545
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,880
where I've started to slowly try
to do more workouts in non super

546
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,520
shoes just to kind of balance 
things out. 

547
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,200
So I really like where Brooks is
going with this. 

548
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,680
Is there still some stuff I'd 
like to see? 

549
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,720
I hate to make this a little bit
more super, yes, I would like to

550
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,120
see that, but I got to give 
props and runner up to the 

551
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,560
Hyperion GTS for both the 
durability which has been 

552
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,120
phenomenal as well. 
It's just a really fun ride that

553
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,600
I keep reaching for. 
So that is my runner up 

554
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,480
stability shoe of the year. 
Yeah, I'll, I'll piggyback off 

555
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600
of that one. 
Mine is the Hyperion GTS. 

556
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,640
That's why I hope wow when you 
pull it out. 

557
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,200
Yeah, that's we haven't. 
Talked about this shoe. 

558
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,280
I feel like we're going to talk 
about this. 

559
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Yeah, I feel like we need to 
talk about that one more. 

560
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,760
It's on the wall. 
I don't have it to hold. 

561
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,720
But yeah, it's just it's simple 
in a lot of the ways that I'd 

562
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,240
like to see especially with how 
like crazy a lot of these shoes 

563
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,920
are getting and it's and it's 
stable, right? 

564
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Like it's simple, but it's 
stable, it's lightweight. 

565
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,320
You can kind of do a little bit 
of everything with it. 

566
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,080
And I give them some props 
because there really isn't any 

567
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,280
shoes in that like lightweight 
stability category for those 

568
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520
that need it. 
And so almost just for like kind

569
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,000
of prop points there they it 
kind of got boosted up because 

570
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,920
it's unique and but those guide 
rails, you feel them. 

571
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,720
I mean, we got the Hyperion and 
the Hyperion GTS and I noticed 

572
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,000
the difference. 
You know, they're very 

573
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,680
different. 
Yeah. 

574
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,600
Like, I feel like that's one of 
those ones. 

575
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,560
And is it the most stable thing 
on the planet? 

576
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,880
No, but it's not meant to be. 
And for those that need a little

577
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,560
bit like but still want to be 
able to turn over and do things,

578
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400
I think that's a great option 
from a versatility standpoint. 

579
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,920
So yeah, that's why I was 
honestly, if it wasn't for the 

580
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Stinson, that was probably going
to be my stability pick of the 

581
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,000
year, then the Stinson kind of 
wowed me late in the year too, 

582
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,400
so. 
Well, my runner up pick is a 

583
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,400
shoe that I didn't love, but I 
think did stable, neutral so 

584
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,440
well that it's worth mentioning.
And that's the Brooks Ghost. 

585
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Max. 
I don't have it up here with me 

586
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960
right now, but. 
It's not a bad one. 

587
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,720
That's a good one. 
Yeah. 

588
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,000
They they made that shoe. 
It's got a super wide base. 

589
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,040
It's got a really well fitting 
upper. 

590
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,920
I believe it's 6mm drop, which I
liked. 

591
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,280
I found it just a little stiff. 
Like I actually found that it 

592
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,000
kept me too far lateral when I 
ran, and I just it. 

593
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,320
That doesn't work well for me, 
but I think it's well done 

594
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760
because one, it's going to work 
for people who use orthotics 2. 

595
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,360
It's going to work for people 
who typically need more 

596
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,680
stability. 
Like maybe people who in the 

597
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,960
past have needed a medial post. 
They might be able to get away 

598
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,400
with running in the Ghost Max, 
and it'll work for more neutral 

599
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,040
runners who just want to shoe 
That's a little more grounded. 

600
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,800
So that would be my runner up, 
even though it wasn't one of my 

601
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,080
tops for the year. 
Speaking which not to keep 

602
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,640
adding things, I know we're 
doing one top 11 runner. 

603
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,280
Up. 
Oh, it's your category. 

604
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,280
It's a stability, Yeah. 
Kind of gets the green light 

605
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,240
there. 
I I have to give a shout out in 

606
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,200
terms of the most stable neutral
shoe for me. 

607
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,000
I don't have my pair because my 
father-in-law needed them more 

608
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000
than me in terms of his feet 
were hurting and I was like he 

609
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,680
wear the same size. 
So I'm like he needs something 

610
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,240
for work and I'm like let me 
give you these, but the Saucony 

611
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,120
Echelon 9 blew my thoughts about
about stable neutral out of the 

612
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,440
water and I am probably going to
purchase another pair because 

613
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,000
they're so comfortable. 
I use that shoe was wide enough 

614
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,040
that when I broke my toe early 
in the year it was rocket enough

615
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,160
that and stable enough that it 
worked well and I was still 

616
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,920
running on a broken toe. 
Probably not the smartest thing 

617
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,640
and I would not suggest that to 
anyone, but that shoe was 

618
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240
phenomenal and definitely one of
my top shoes of the year. 

619
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Not enough to get like daily 
trainer of the year, but it was 

620
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120
a phenomenal shoe. 
So from a stable, stable, 

621
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,440
neutral standpoint, I would 
really, really, really give 

622
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,920
props to the Saucony Echelon 9 
also as a shoe that can take 

623
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,640
orthotic super wells actually 
went out of my way and a big 

624
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
thank you to Snell's Paste for 
letting me come down and bring a

625
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,080
shoe in and try put a bunch of 
orthotics in there. 

626
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Because I usually don't use 
orthotics. 

627
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,800
I usually to be honest we'll 
take foam pads and create my own

628
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,800
arch support in the on the 
insoles to do that and that's a 

629
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,160
episode that I'll upload at some
point how to edit your shoes. 

630
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,400
But again both the Ghost Max and
the Echelon 9 are really awesome

631
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,960
shoes and I actually Andrew, I 
had the same thing with the 

632
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Ghost Max where it pushed me too
later when I kept getting IT 

633
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,320
band stuff and I was like why am
I and so I actually videotaped 

634
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,720
myself and found myself getting 
like over corrected. 

635
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,720
I'm like oh that's that's why I 
got it. 

636
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:11,280
So both very awesome stable 
shoes, both great options for 

637
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,200
people 'cause I feel like the 
previous, like, orthotic 

638
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,120
friendly shoes, no offense, they
sucked. 

639
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,080
They were just stiff, 
uncomfortable. 

640
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720
And they're like, people are 
like, yeah, this is the bet. 

641
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,680
When I worked in running stores,
I'm like, this is the best we 

642
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,920
got. 
Like, they're like, oh, this 

643
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,760
feels like terrible. 
I'm like, yeah, though this is 

644
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,320
what's going to work. 
And they're like, OK, but now 

645
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,960
you've got some really great 
options that even people that 

646
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,240
don't need orthotics, like, 
you've got some really awesome 

647
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,080
stable neutral stuff out there. 
So shout out to Post Socket and 

648
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,800
Brooks for some really good 
stable neutral stuff out there. 

649
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,600
All right. 
Are we ready to get to some more

650
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,680
kind of, like, sexy shoes now? 
All right. 

651
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,720
So let's do Performance Trainer 
of the year. 

652
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,360
And Andrew, what? 
We'll go back to having you go 

653
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,640
first this time. 
I'll go last. 

654
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Let's see if David and I agree 
on this category because this 

655
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,000
shoe. 
I think we're about. 

656
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,880
To this shoe just made my year. 
It was like the shoe I've been, 

657
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,560
you know, waiting for. 
I've used it for everything, 

658
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600
including long runs, although 
it's not really a long run shoe,

659
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,680
but like any any pace workout, 
it's the best form and that is 

660
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,400
the Topo Cyclone Two. 
Why are you laughing? 

661
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Did you think I was going to 
pick something else? 

662
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,440
No, I was just, I knew Topo was 
going to get on here at some 

663
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,840
point. 
So I was just going, OK, here we

664
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,360
go. 
So. 

665
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,440
Shout out to Topo by the way, 
they're doing great. 

666
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,800
This shoe was awesome. 
Yeah, this shoe. 

667
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Yeah, we could. 
I have a whole episode about 

668
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Topo, but I'll focus on my 
Performance Trainer of the year.

669
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,840
So Full P Backs midsole, which 
is Topo's first full P backs 

670
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,160
shoe. 
Let's see, the stack height is 

671
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520
27 in the heel, 22 in the 
forefoot. 

672
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360
This shoe is super light for a 
women's size 8. 

673
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,440
It's 5.9 oz, which is I think 
just a few tenths of an ounce 

674
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,840
heavier than the Vapor Fly. 
So that's pretty awesome. 

675
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,320
And it it's got enough stack 
that it feels protective when 

676
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,239
you're running easy. 
Like there are a lot of 

677
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,639
performance trainers that like 
when you're doing your warm up 

678
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,880
and cool down just feel 
terrible, 'cause they really are

679
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,880
designed for running faster. 
But like I said, I think the 

680
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,440
longest run I did in this shoe 
was 16 or 17 miles and it was 

681
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,159
fine. 
I mean, I wouldn't use it for a 

682
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,199
marathon, but it's protective 
enough that you can take it on 

683
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,400
your longer workouts and be 
good. 

684
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,960
So what I really like about it 
one the way that Topo shoe fits,

685
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,320
they're just perfect for me. 
I love the wide anatomical toe 

686
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,320
box. 
They really improved the fit of 

687
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,520
the rear foot for me. 
I had the original Cyclone and 

688
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,239
again, I loved using that for 
workouts as well. 

689
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,320
But the way that the the heel 
collar was designed on the 

690
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,560
original, it really rubbed on my
Achilles. 

691
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,080
So I was just over the moon with
this shoe. 

692
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Another thing I really like 
about Topo is their toe spring 

693
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,840
is later and it just feels like 
it gives you that extra push 

694
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,840
without like pushing you too 
soon into push off. 

695
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,400
I would say for me the shoe is 
best at like, you know, 10K to 

696
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
mile pace. 
Like it's fine for threshold or 

697
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,320
marathon pace, but it definitely
feels better the faster you go. 

698
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,080
I'm also on my second pair of 
Cyclone Twos this year. 

699
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,080
I think I got like 275 miles on 
these. 

700
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,400
This is my original pair and you
can see that, like I chewed up 

701
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,800
the exposed midsole. 
But the rubber in the four foot 

702
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,680
is pretty much intact. 
And I mean, the rubber in the 

703
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,520
heel is brand new, 'cause I 
don't put a lot of pressure 

704
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,880
there. 
So what made me get a second 

705
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,880
pair was it just felt like the 
midsole was bottoming out in the

706
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
forefoot. 
I started feeling it like 

707
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,720
around, I don't know, 250 miles.
And then I did one workout in it

708
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,720
and I was like, no, this is not 
how the shoe used to feel. 

709
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,400
So I got my new pair and Oh 
yeah, back to the nice bounce in

710
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,640
the forefoot. 
So I can't, I literally could 

711
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,880
talk for 1/2 an hour about my 
love for the shoe. 

712
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,920
But I will not. 
But it is definitely my 

713
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,720
performance trainer of the arm. 
So David, is it yours too? 

714
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,560
Topo second. 2. 
I'm on my third pair now. 

715
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,720
This is so fun. 
I love this shoe. 

716
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,320
Yeah, it's, you know, it's one 
of those things. 

717
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,400
And I agree with like the topo 
fit, like that, Anatomic fit it.

718
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,040
They do a great job of locking 
down through the heel and mid 

719
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
foot without it feeling like 
it's encroaching too much. 

720
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,320
You just feel like it's holding 
you. 

721
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,000
And then that forefoot has 
plenty of room for toes play and

722
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,880
things like that. 
So it just feels cozy and you 

723
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,640
don't usually associate that 
with performance shoes. 

724
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,400
So that in itself was already a 
huge win. 

725
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,240
You like put it on, You're like,
oh, it's actually feel pretty 

726
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,800
nice. 
And then, yeah, I mean it's one 

727
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,280
of those shoes that I've been 
waiting for for a while where it

728
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,120
kind of has this new generation 
midsole. 

729
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,360
It is P backs all the way 
through. 

730
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,240
It's bouncy just like AP backs 
would be. 

731
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,120
There's no plate. 
And so it like lower stack. 

732
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,120
It has a decent amount of 
flexibility too. 

733
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,040
So I think that late toe spring 
you were talking about combined 

734
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,920
with some of that forefoot 
flexibility, it gives you a 

735
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,680
really natural feeling toe off 
while still getting a little bit

736
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,560
of A roll out of it. 
And so you kind of get this like

737
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,520
bouncy toe off every step. 
And the heel and mid foot don't 

738
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,080
feel jarring at all. 
Like it feels like a very 

739
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,240
natural flowing shoe. 
And granted you kind of have to 

740
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,760
be OK with having some 
flexibility. 

741
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,320
So those that do like rigid 
shoes and like stiff rockers, 

742
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,720
this isn't that. 
But I've taken this shoe on 

743
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,200
almost any kind of workout I can
imagine at this point and have 

744
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,400
loved it for everything. 
And even the outsole, like it's 

745
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,000
kind of more of like a road like
outsole. 

746
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,800
But the traction's not that bad.
It actually sticks pretty well 

747
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,760
once you like kind of grip the 
ground there. 

748
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,320
I feel like it. 
Like if you look at it on the 

749
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,880
surface it's pretty flat, but it
has these like little like I 

750
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,160
don't even know what to call 
them, almost like little cross 

751
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,880
stitches in the rubber and I 
feel like as it compresses onto 

752
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,600
the road you actually do get a 
good little grab there. 

753
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,640
And I haven't had any issues 
with slipping even like running 

754
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,240
fast 4 hundreds on a wet track 
or something. 

755
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:37,080
Like I haven't had any issues. 
So it's been a shoe that I've 

756
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,880
reached for quite a bit and it's
one of those shoes that just 

757
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,640
brought a smile to my face, 
right. 

758
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,080
Like, and I haven't been able to
like with how many shoes we get.

759
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,720
It's it's almost like rare 
sometimes when you're just like,

760
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,000
wow, this is nice. 
Like I'm going to really enjoy 

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,040
today. 
And that was something that the 

762
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,760
Vomero had given me earlier too,
where it was like just daily 

763
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,960
miles. 
I was like, wow, that five mile 

764
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,560
run was really fun, like just 
things like that. 

765
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,320
So it was nice to get that, 
especially because this is 

766
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,000
earlier in the year release. 
So you kind of keep going 

767
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,600
through the year and you're like
is something going to beat it? 

768
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Is something going to beat it? 
Is something going to beat it? 

769
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,680
And you get to the end, you're 
like, Nope, Nope, that's it. 

770
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,640
Cyclone Two, so huge shout out 
to the Topo team. 

771
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,360
You guys are doing some great 
stuff and really excited to see 

772
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,720
what comes down the line next 
year. 

773
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Yeah, I think a good test of 
whether we really like a shoe or

774
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,840
not is if we buy a second pair, 
you know, after putting enough 

775
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,960
miles on the first one. 
So the fact that you're on your 

776
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120
third pair and I'm on my second 
definitely says a lot about it. 

777
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,560
And I would say the same about 
the traction. 

778
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,400
I've done so many rainy workouts
in the cyclone too and same like

779
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,560
no slipping, like total 
confidence, even taking like 

780
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,400
fast turns with sand on the 
road, I would say it takes on 

781
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,440
water quite a bit. 
Like, it's definitely squishy, 

782
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,480
yeah, but I don't care, you 
know? 

783
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,480
But it's like on the men's side,
it's like 6 point something oz, 

784
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,000
so it's the same weight as a 
Vapor Fly. 

785
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,080
So like add a whole oz. 
It's still going to be 7.5 

786
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,040
whatever. 
Like 7.6, it's still pretty 

787
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,440
light so. 
What's your choice, Matt? 

788
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Oh. 
No, no, seriously. 

789
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,280
What? 
So let me there. 

790
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,400
There was a lot of, so I'm for 
those who can't see, I'm holding

791
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,880
up the Cyclone 2. 
As hey, he'd shut out as he 

792
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,880
killed it, man. 
Yeah, across the board. 

793
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Yeah. 
So there were a lot of close 

794
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,760
competitors in this and I'll 
I'll reference in just a second.

795
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,360
And there was a lot of 
performance shoes that came out 

796
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,680
this year. 
Like most of them had at least 

797
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,360
one, if if not whole one layer 
of P backs or super foam in them

798
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,720
plate, stuff like that. 
And while that was exciting, you

799
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,040
know, there were some durability
issues. 

800
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,440
There were some things that were
a little bit too stiff or just 

801
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,800
like not quite fitting the right
way. 

802
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,960
So they give you give everyone 
another year or two that they're

803
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,080
going to like really optimize 
some of the issues because 

804
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,480
Performance Trainer has really 
changed in the past. 

805
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,920
It just meant something kind of 
lighter. 

806
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Now it's like they're getting 
your throwing plates, all this 

807
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,560
other stuff. 
But what I really liked about 

808
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,600
this was this, this the 
simplicity with what they were 

809
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,480
doing, Full length feedbacks, 
still some flexibility and a 

810
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,960
really great fit. 
And yes, a lot of people are 

811
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,440
using this as a racing shoe, and
I can totally understand why. 

812
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,320
But it still also got the 
transitions necessary to just be

813
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,800
a fun daily shoe for kind of 
like like for kind of whatever 

814
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,400
you want to do. 
And there's not a ton of shoes 

815
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,600
like that anymore. 
Things have become so 

816
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,360
specialized that there's not 
something really like, I'm just 

817
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,560
going to grab this and I can 
have one shoe that can do 

818
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,640
everything that didn't exist. 
So like, if you showed this to 

819
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
me back in the day when I was 
into my super minimal stuff, I 

820
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,160
would have gravitated me. 
Like, this is the one shoe that 

821
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,280
I'm running in for everything. 
It's got the wide toe box I 

822
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,880
want. 
It's a little lower drop, not 

823
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,560
zero, but it's lower. 
Great traction. 

824
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,600
You can train it, you can do 
workouts, racing it. 

825
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,480
That's why that kind of 
encompass what a performance 

826
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,920
trainer is to me. 
And I think we've kind of got, 

827
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,840
like I said, we've gotten a 
little more specialized and away

828
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,240
from that. 
But that's what performance 

829
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,400
changes was, is, you know, you 
could run a marathon distance in

830
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,120
them, you could do an easy run, 
you could do a workout. 

831
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,240
And that issue really 
exemplifies what I was hoping 

832
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:12,560
for from that. 
And like, I've had the same 

833
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,840
experience. 
David and I talked about this 

834
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,680
earlier and I think Andrew just 
mentioned this where it actually

835
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,880
does super well at faster paces 
like mile pace 10K. 

836
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,000
You kind of don't expect that 
with that much flexibility, but 

837
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,480
it just works really, really, 
really well. 

838
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
And it's been a shoe. 
I've kept grabbing that, you 

839
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,160
know, that kind of feeling where
you've been running in a Super P

840
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,000
back shoe for a little bit too 
much, You start getting a little

841
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,960
wobbly and you're like my legs 
kind of feel weird. 

842
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,880
I don't get that from this, I 
think because it's not plated. 

843
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,040
It's a little lower to the 
ground. 

844
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,920
It's just so well balance that 
if you like a wide anatomic toe 

845
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,600
box and you want to try P backs,
this is one of the few things on

846
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,520
there. 
So I think Topo did a phenomenal

847
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,360
job with the shoe and it's the 
shoe that I've grabbed 

848
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,640
occasionally throughout the year
when I've had a second. 

849
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,280
So definitely Topo, you get the 
across the board for performance

850
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,000
chainer on this. 
So now the fun part. 

851
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,880
What runner up options does 
everybody have? 

852
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,720
I would say my runner up is the 
Brooks Hyperion. 

853
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,520
I'm a big fan of the Hyperion 
tempo. 

854
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,200
I don't know how many miles I 
have on my pair, but it still 

855
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,840
looks brand new. 
But the Hyperion was basically 

856
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,760
Brooks update to the tempo 
because they kind of cleaned up 

857
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,520
their line. 
So the Hyperion is like their 

858
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,600
lower stack performance trainer 
slash old school like racing 

859
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,920
flat type shoe. 
You've got the Hyperion Max. 

860
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,880
But the Hyperion I actually like
the fit of the Hyperion better 

861
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,680
than the Hyperion tempo. 
They widen the forefoot a little

862
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,600
bit and I'm always a fan of 
that. 

863
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:49,120
It just it fits almost exactly 
like the Hyperion Max I would 

864
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,200
say, but it's just a little 
lower to the ground. 

865
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,160
It's got the right balance 
between like flexibility and 

866
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,960
rigidity. 
I think it's a little more on 

867
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,360
the firm side than the Hyperion 
tempo, although I haven't run in

868
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,760
it in a little bit because I do 
so many of my workouts in the 

869
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,800
Cyclone too. 
But it's a really great option 

870
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,480
for people who are looking for 
basically an old school racing, 

871
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,120
flat type field. 
I like that choice for me. 

872
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,800
Now this probably doesn't come 
to surprise either because 

873
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,000
people that have been following 
us also know I really like this 

874
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
shoe and this is one of the 
shoes that I was trying to 

875
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,880
figure out, is this going to 
take the Cyclone down? 

876
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,120
And it didn't end up taking it 
down, but I think it's a good 

877
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,920
honorable mention and that's the
Adidas Boston 12 and some good 

878
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,120
updates to this, but one of the 
notable ones. 

879
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,480
There's more Light Strike pro in
the four foot there and I would 

880
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,520
say it's definitely noticeable. 
Like you kind of have that firm 

881
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,080
Eva light strike in the heel, 
very grounded heel, very locked 

882
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,240
in like narrow heeled midfoot. 
Then it kind of widens out a 

883
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:03,000
little bit, not quite as wide as
a topo, but has a relatively 

884
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,400
anatomic fit. 
But the engineered mesh that 

885
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,880
they do have really locks that 
foot down and gives you a 

886
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,080
performance feel. 
And the rods in them now, these 

887
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,360
ones are plastic rods, correct? 
They're not. 

888
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,280
Yeah, but they're still pretty 
rigid and there's a little bit 

889
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,680
of flexibility, but it's like 
when you're loading it and 

890
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,040
you're running fast, like you 
really do pop off that forefoot 

891
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,880
quite a bit. 
And I think they did a good job 

892
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,560
with the sole flaring, feels 
nice and stable, good cushion as

893
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,320
well. 
So with the Boston 12 though, I 

894
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,960
will say so with the Cyclone 
Two, I could go hit four 

895
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,280
hundreds any second I want to on
the track. 

896
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,120
That shoe can really turn up the
speed without any issue. 

897
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,640
The Boston 12 doesn't do that 
quite as well. 

898
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,160
The Boston 12 is more on the 
other side where if I have a 20 

899
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,240
plus mile long run and I'm going
to be throwing some marathon 

900
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,320
pace efforts into it, this would
probably be the choice over the 

901
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,760
Cyclone. 
This one definitely leans more 

902
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,280
towards the longer distances, 
getting into rhythm and just 

903
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,800
being able to pop off of it. 
With that said though, I can 

904
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,040
still get down pretty close to 
like 10K ish pace and still feel

905
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,640
OK and that's still, that's 
plenty of speed that you would 

906
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,360
need for any kind of work or 
effort that you need. 

907
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,880
And so talking about like what 
Klein was saying earlier, that 

908
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,560
performance trainer that can 
just do a little bit of 

909
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,400
everything and whatever you want
it to do, it can kind of tackle 

910
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,880
it. 
I do feel like the Boston 12 

911
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560
checks almost everything, just 
not quite as well as the Cyclone

912
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,760
2. 
So for me, this is not my runner

913
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,640
up, but I did like that the 
Boston 12 finally got back to 

914
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,880
being a Boston. 
The 10 and 11 were very removed 

915
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,480
from that. 
The 10 we really like, but for 

916
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,760
very different reasons. 
I totally agree with David that 

917
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,320
it it goes on the side of the 
longer distance stuff from like 

918
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,640
if the audio's pro 3's too much 
for you, this is a great option.

919
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,160
They can handle training and can
still move pretty quick. 

920
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,600
But I also felt the same thing 
was like if I'm trying to get 

921
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,440
real speed like 204 inch it's 
not going to do it. 

922
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,520
If I want a Temple run or long 
run like up temple long run it 

923
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,120
phenomenal. 
The only thing that I that 

924
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,880
prevented me from trying this or
doing bringing this up as a 

925
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,440
favorite of the year was the 
midfoot narrowed and the way 

926
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,160
they set up this plastic piece. 
Again, I don't actually know is 

927
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,160
it plastic or I don't remember 
what the OR. 

928
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,440
Or fiberglass or something. 
Yeah, I don't, I don't remember,

929
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,840
but the lateral extension here 
shoves me very quickly into the 

930
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,040
into the medial midfoot. 
So that was something that while

931
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680
I did get 100 miles out of my 
pair and there durability is 

932
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,040
phenomenal in these as are a lot
of the out of 0 stuff that's 

933
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,080
kind of what prevented me. 
So people that have maybe some 

934
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,360
lateral stability needs, you 
actually might do really well 

935
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,360
with issue. 
Those that need medial the the 

936
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,440
stableness that the 1011 had is 
not there anymore. 

937
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,120
It's still, it's not terrible, 
it's just be aware of that. 

938
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,680
But I thought the update is a 
massive improvement. 

939
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,440
I'm really excited to see where 
they take this. 

940
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,040
Yeah, for me this category was 
really challenging. 

941
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,160
There was a lot of of really 
decent shoes in this area. 

942
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,400
So I'm actually going to have to
split this between 2 shoes, one 

943
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,400
of which is not going to be 
really expected. 

944
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,240
But there's these were really 
good and I was very excited for 

945
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,080
them that there was some 
shortcomings with both of them 

946
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,040
that prevented them from really 
getting up to the top. 

947
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,080
So the two options, and this is 
going to come maybe as a 

948
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,800
surprise, was the Saucony 
Kimbara Pro, which was one of 

949
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,560
them that I really, really 
enjoyed, especially for long 

950
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,000
runs and up tempo efforts. 
And the ultra forward actually 

951
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,000
was also a performance trainer 
for me, like a runner up because

952
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,280
despite not being meant for 
that, I did a like almost every 

953
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,680
run I did in this shoe turned 
into a workout and I'm not 

954
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,480
really sure why because it's not
really meant to do that. 

955
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,400
It's definitely lighter in that 
mid 8 oz range. 

956
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,160
It's definitely got a snappier 
foam. 

957
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,880
It is a little bit stiffer. 
The heel bevel is amazing, but 

958
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,920
and I like having an anatomic 
toe box, but the 4mm drop twist 

959
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,040
took some pressure off there. 
It's a shoe that I've been kind 

960
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,840
of wondering if they would ever 
make for like over a decade and 

961
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,880
now they have it. 
So I really have enjoyed the 

962
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,520
shoe. 
The thing things that really 

963
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,040
prevented me from choosing 
either one of these as pretty 

964
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
much trainer of the year for 
Altro is the durability like I 

965
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,560
have. 
I haven't gotten a ton more 

966
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,400
miles of this year just because 
we've had so much other stuff to

967
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,440
do. 
But I'm just ripping through the

968
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,600
outsole like nobody's business 
despite there being some 

969
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,000
reinforcement or what I think 
of. 

970
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,680
So durability is something that 
I'm really, really concerned 

971
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,040
about. 
But outside that's been really 

972
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,960
good. 
The Kinvara Pro I think needs is

973
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,600
is a great shoe. 
Durability was also a concern 

974
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,000
where I actually created a 
massive medial wedge here and 

975
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,120
that eventually started to 
bother my T band. 

976
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,880
But I think for a first attempt 
at a shoe like this it is, it 

977
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,760
was a really good thing. 
I this is my favorite long run 

978
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,400
shoe of the year. 
Like I could strap this on and I

979
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,440
was just I could go for miles 
and miles and miles and no 

980
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,200
matter like hilly terrain 
whatever, it was really good. 

981
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,200
It's just the durability was a 
bit of a challenge for me, so 

982
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,840
I'd like to see a little bit 
more outso material while 

983
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,640
hopefully keeping this thing a 
little bit lighter. 

984
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,000
But I think both of them were 
solid options, but because both 

985
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,920
had durability issues didn't 
quite make it, but things some 

986
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440
that may want to consider. 
The other thing is it was also 

987
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,280
very stable, neutral for me in 
both, so that's what I thought. 

988
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:26,840
Well, that's all we have for 
part one. 

989
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,720
Remember next week you can 
TuneIn for the second-half of 

990
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,000
this discussion where they go 
through their favorite long 

991
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,040
distance racing shoes, short 
distance racing shoes, and trail

992
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,600
shoes. 
If you want to continue to 

993
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,080
follow what we're doing at docks
of running, you can go to 

994
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,040
docksofrunning.com and see all 
of our work that has shoe 

995
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,280
reviews, but also our guides for
new runners guide to stability 

996
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,120
shoes. 
A lot of discussions on bio, 

997
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,400
mechanics and rehabilitation. 
It's all there on 

998
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,080
docksofrunning.com.