1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,120 Hello everybody, and welcome to the Doctors Running podcast 2 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:13,640 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,840 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,760 feet. Tonight at the round table, we 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,600 have Doctor David Salas and myself. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,120 I'm Nathan Brown. We are going to be bringing you 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,880 ultimately A mailbag episode, but we have a few things and 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,640 some housekeeping that we want to take care of. 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,960 I think David has a bit of a confession to make. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,680 He is completely defected and become a pure Apple guy in the 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,720 last year, has an Apple laptop, he's got an Apple phone. 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,160 Oh my gosh, an iPhone Apple phone. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,160 So just a just good news for all the people out there. 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,080 David has not come to what I call the good side and he is not 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,640 an Apple shell. But we're going to move forward. 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,760 That is the housekeeping for the day. 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,120 I will just say there are some very specific reasons as to why 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:01:00,640 said devices are with me. But I think operating systems 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,879 wise, I I think an ergonomic wise, I think I do still like 20 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,440 some of the other product. They're all good. 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,760 They're all really good, yes. But yeah, there's some very 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,600 specific reasons that have led me to use said said products. 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,480 It's great. We're all excited for you. 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,240 But we are going to move to our first segment, which is our in 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,440 for testing segment. It's the shoes that we are 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,080 currently testing. This is powered by and fueled by 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Scratch Labs and so we are going to be talking about the shoes 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,280 that we are testing right now. So for you, what is one or two 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,560 shoes that you're currently testing and do you have any 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,040 initial thoughts on them? Yeah. 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,040 I mean, I feel like I'm always saying I can't talk about it, 32 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,040 but I've been finishing up a round of some of the wear 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,680 testing stuff that obviously I can't talk about. 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,960 So a large majority of my runs have actually been in those. 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,760 But with that said, there has been a couple things I've been 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,040 trying to sprinkle in. And so that we got the meta 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,280 speed review out recently with the Meta Speed Edge Tokyo. 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,160 Next up will be the Meta Speed Sky Tokyo, finishing up the 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,880 proper mileage and getting you guys the full review. 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,320 And then from a training mileage standpoint, it'll probably 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,560 transition into the Topo Vista, which is a trail running model. 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,800 It looks nice. It's built well. 43 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,560 I think it's actually going to be really nice. 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,160 I just got to finish up a couple of other things first and 45 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,520 that'll probably be next on the docket. 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,400 Nice. Yeah, for me, I've been, I just 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,200 got done testing and writing the review for the New Balance Rebel 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,560 V5, which was the first Rebel that really worked for me. 49 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,360 And it was, it was actually awesome. 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,160 I'm probably going to run my half marathon in it this 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,200 upcoming Sunday. I'm not racing it, but it'll be 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,920 a good one to run it in. And then the shoe that I've been 53 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:44,640 testing since then is the Arrow Burst from Skechers. 54 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,200 It's the first time that we've tested Skechers stuff in a 55 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,280 while, and this is kind of their next iteration of some of their 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,280 Hyperburst stuff. They're using Hyperburst Ice, 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,680 which they've used in previous models. 58 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,960 I don't know if they've changed the, you know, formula at all, 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,880 but this is their higher stack shoe and it's got a mild rocker, 60 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,960 mild flexibility. It's a, it's a pretty solid Mac 61 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,640 stack shoe. I would say of all the shoes 62 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:13,640 that they've come out with in the last five years so far, this 63 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:15,840 is the one that's working best for me and my foot. 64 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,880 Part of that is because they've been putting that arch fit in 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,520 and I think their arch fit in the past has been actually 66 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,200 pretty pronounced where I really thought at least for my foot, I 67 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,920 really feel the arch fit and it is bothersome for me, but this 68 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,760 one feels much more mild. So because of that I've been 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,240 able to run in it a bit more. The platform is wide enough, so 70 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,400 it's pretty stable. It's got a mild rocker, so it 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,520 just feels pretty smooth for easy effort. 72 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,840 So more testing that I have to do on it. 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,200 I've got like three runs in on it so far. 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,160 One of them was a longer run, so it does have a 10 Miller in 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,280 them, but I've got, I've got more to more to do, but that 76 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,720 one's been pretty solid so far. The next thing that we wanted to 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:04,240 do is we test a lot of apparel. We don't necessarily put it all 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,560 out there all the time just because we can't put our DPT 79 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,800 hats on as much when it comes to apparel. 80 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,560 And that's like really what we want to do is on the education 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,240 side of how bio mechanics and stuff interacts. 82 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Clothing does not allow us to do that unless you have super 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,000 restrictive shorts or something like that or pants. 84 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,960 But what we wanted to talk about is for us, what have been the 85 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,360 things that have stood the test of time that we just really love 86 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,080 and keep going back to. So what do you have for an 87 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,320 apparel standpoint that you really love? 88 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,280 Yeah, so I've got a couple things just here to my left. 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,640 So if I go off screen here, that's why. 90 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,760 But the first one here is actually that's not the one I 91 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,880 wanted to grab. This is so the say sky 5 inch, 92 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,880 say sky 5 inch. I don't know how to say that. 93 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,440 Someone could tell me how? I think say Sky. 94 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Yeah, just the basic. They're so good. 95 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Yeah, dude, I have two pairs. They're phenomenal. 96 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,360 We go right back to them every time. 97 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:59,880 The other one too, which is much more cost effective because the 98 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,680 say Sky ones, they do cost a pretty penny. 99 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,040 They're like what, 80 ish I think? 100 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,680 I think retail just the basic Mizuno 5 inch. 101 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,120 It is simple. I've I've gone to these for so 102 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,880 long, like we've had these for literally years now and I wear 103 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,840 them all the time. I I'm kind of like a 5 inch boy 104 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:25,320 when it comes to like easy runs, you know, but for longer efforts 105 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,960 and for quicker things, I usually will go to three inch 106 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,480 shorts. So the rabbit 3 inch. 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,360 I think they're the I can't remember. 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,560 These are the speedies or not? I don't think it is because it 109 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,560 has the little pocket thing. I think it's like the frolin fly 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,400 maybe? I think that's it, yeah. 111 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,160 So these ones are solid. Love these. 112 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,680 And then one that's really grown on me that was very almost like 113 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,400 surprising is the Diadora 3 inch ones, the splits. 114 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,040 These things are. Super lightweight, they Wick the 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,480 moisture incredibly well. Like they are very, very good 116 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,800 shorts actually. So I've been loving those. 117 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,200 And then for shirts, because I always have to have more options 118 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,520 than anybody actually cares. Think to listen about. 119 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,520 David, what's your top shoe? Well, here's my 8 honorable 120 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,200 mentions. I don't. 121 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,800 Think this is going to come with any surprise for any of the 122 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,160 listeners on Performance Teeth short sleeve? 123 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,720 Yeah, I'm kind of short sleeve gang. 124 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,600 Honestly. I feel like I wear a lot of 125 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,360 short sleeves. I don't actually single it up 126 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,760 that often unless I'm going fast, fast and then anything 127 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,200 rabbit performance, short sleeve Tees, you know, I don't know 128 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,920 what they actually call the shirts because I feel like they 129 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,120 kind of change it every once in a while where it's like they'll 130 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,480 call it like race pace or they'll call it like I don't or 131 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,560 speedies, you know. But those are the non. 132 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,600 That's the non easy tee. Not easy like the performance. 133 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:50,840 The performance. Material. 134 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,040 Yeah, this is like the singlet material, but the short sleeve 135 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,320 so and this is an older 1, so if you're looking for this color, 136 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,920 you probably won't find it. But I've got a handful of those 137 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,000 even back from like the Rabbit Hoka days when they had their 138 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,240 collaboration and that material is solid and it has literally 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,000 stood the test of time. You could look at that thing. 140 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,680 I've run so many miles in it and like it's still standing the 141 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,840 other one now this one is a singlet and it's technically on 142 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,720 the bandit lineup. So it's the ASICS bandit collab, 143 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,040 but it's. It's. 144 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,320 Technically Bandit, yeah, the, I don't know exactly what the 145 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,600 singlet model is, someone out there could probably tell me, 146 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,720 but it's I think it's just their basic kind of one. 147 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,760 But it has a very lightweight synthetic feel on it, Wicks 148 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,840 moisture really well. So love that. 149 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,840 And the last one for track days, because for those of you that 150 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:52,120 know me, I do, I will run track workouts in polos sometimes is 151 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,440 literally like I think it's the metal tech material from 152 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Lululemon, so. Oh. 153 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:57,000 Wow. I will. 154 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,600 I will. I literally run 440 miles in 155 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,200 this thing. That's hilarious. 156 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,880 It's like, yeah, I I will RIP in a polo. 157 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,520 I was actually thinking of getting a Dor screened on this. 158 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,960 Oh, that's a fun idea. Yeah, I don't know how that 159 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,200 someone would have to be willing to just do 1 though. 160 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,000 I don't know if how many people would be willing to just do a 161 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,120 single piece, but that's what I got. 162 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,400 What about you? Cool. 163 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,080 It's funny. So I thought of it a little bit 164 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,120 differently than you, which is fine. 165 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,800 My brain went to like, what are the companies that have really 166 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,200 stood out for me? And when I think about and kind 167 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,120 of just like anything I've gotten from them has been good, 168 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,159 but I grabbed a couple pieces from those. 169 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,919 But then the other thing for me, so like price really matters and 170 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,480 then longevity. So I don't think you could maybe 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,360 one of these you could still buy, but most of them are like a 172 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,880 couple years old at this point. So Rabbit is one of the 173 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,920 companies for me because I think they definitely cost more than 174 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,880 like going to Old Navy or going to Target or something like 175 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,680 that. But it's also not like $80.00 176 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:01,880 for shorts. It's like $50.00 for shorts or 177 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,720 40. So I think that realm. 178 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,720 They've gone up I think, though I think it's closer to 60 now, 179 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,040 maybe even 65 on some of the shorts. 180 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,120 Yeah, well, that kind of ruins part of my point. 181 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,520 But Even so, like if it can last years and so you brought this 182 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,440 one up, but it's the rabbit 3 inch for shorts. 183 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Yeah, I love these things. I've. 184 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,440 I've gotten so many miles on this and what I love is you can 185 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,000 just wash them and tumble dry and that matters to me too. 186 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,440 Like it's easy to take care of. So that from rabbit and then the 187 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,040 other one. I actually bought these with my 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,480 own money like 7 years ago and it's the tights from rabbit and 189 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,200 I wear them for pretty much all my winter runs. 190 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,880 And they? Don't even make this model 191 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,280 anymore. But the zippers, none of them 192 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,000 have broken. There's no holes, nothing is 193 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,800 wearing. Down. 194 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,160 And it's for me that's great. Like I am a huge fan of these 195 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,280 tights. This is one of their fleece 196 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,720 ones. But I again, they don't make 197 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,200 this specific model anymore, but from a longevity standpoint. 198 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,480 And I feel like I really got my money's worth because I did get 199 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,560 them at least five, if not seven years ago. 200 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:09,880 And I've been wearing them all winter long every single time. 201 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,240 The other company overall, besides Rabbit that I really 202 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,360 like and it's less about the running and more about the 203 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,960 running lifestyle crossover is Path Projects. 204 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,800 And one of their shirts I had, I brought it here. 205 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,160 It's like a long sleeve with a hoodie on it. 206 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,440 I wear this literally every Saturday. 207 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,880 It's like my Saturday shirt. It's just super soft, thin and 208 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,800 it's good to go on like early morning runs in the springtime 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,160 in the fall. It just is perfect for me in 210 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,920 like the 3030 to 40° weather. It's been fantastic and it works 211 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,840 for casual wear super well. And they also have pants that I 212 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,080 wear every Saturday. So like I have a path outfit, I 213 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,640 guess that I wear every Saturday, which is funny, but 214 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,800 they they double for lifestyle and for running extremely well, 215 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,360 and I find some value in that too. 216 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,960 And then my last one isn't either of those companies. 217 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,600 It's a shirt you also held up too. 218 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,760 But the on performance tee, it's just so good, so light, so 219 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,640 breathable, no chafing. Wait, four other? 220 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,400 No, three other three other ones, I think. 221 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,160 When they go on sale sometimes too like you can get them for 222 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,920 like 40 bucks if you time it right. 223 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,360 Or you get the the on word the they have a pre owned section on 224 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,200 their site or you could get them for as low as like 20 or 30 225 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,360 bucks. That's where I got them. 226 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,160 I actually got them as a trial to see, you know how the quality 227 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,040 stood up getting it pre owned through them. 228 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,920 But yeah, they came out great. I've got like a dark Emeralds 229 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,000 green one that's like sweet, yeah. 230 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,800 And then I got a couple of Belong sleeves as well, 231 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,840 especially because I like the way that one fits because we 232 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,840 have the Dor one, yeah. Awesome well, we just want to 233 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,320 talk a little bit about that because we do test a lot of them 234 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,440 and we wanted to show like what are the ones that have stood the 235 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,640 test of time for us? Which ones do we really like? 236 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,880 And if you have apparel that you really like, you should drop it 237 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,400 down in the comments. If you're watching. 238 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:05,760 I I know we held up a bunch of stuff. 239 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,440 So if you're on audio, you can jump over to YouTube to see what 240 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,520 we held up just because we're doing kind of both formats. 241 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,280 But yeah, comment below and let us know what you really love 242 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,720 too, and if there's things you'd like us to test out as well 243 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,840 before we get to the mailbag. The last thing that we wanted to 244 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,280 talk about was something to answer a question that we get at 245 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,920 least weekly, at least three times a week, if not every 246 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,320 single day. And people kind of ask how can 247 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,000 we work with you guys on a one-on-one with doctors of 248 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,480 running? And so I did want to share how 249 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,280 you could contact all of us for doctors of running and how you 250 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,920 could work with us either virtually or in person. 251 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:48,320 So, David, I don't know if you want to start, like if people 252 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,800 wanted to work with you as a physical therapist, like how 253 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,640 would they go about doing that? Yeah, sure. 254 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,640 I can go over that. So I do work in a traditional 255 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,160 outpatient orthopaedic practice. I work at Alto Orthopaedics ALTA 256 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,520 in Santa Barbara, CA. We're pretty standard as far as 257 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,760 coming in. We do prefer referrals 258 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,800 especially if it's coming from outside of our physician kind of 259 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,640 circle because I it's an orthopedic practice so there's 260 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:23,280 99109 or 10 other doc like docs and then a few PTS and if you're 261 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,920 already in the circle super easy you just ask one of them and 262 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,760 they just send you to me. But if you're not, we, we do 263 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,320 prefer referral, not necessarily necessary, but it makes 264 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,280 everyone's lives easier. But if you have appo plan, you 265 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,880 can as far as like virtual and out of that context goes. 266 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,120 It's been something I've been thinking about and I'm on the 267 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,520 fence. So if someone was like, Hey, you 268 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,160 should do it for me, Maybe I will, I don't know. 269 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,000 I, I've been thinking about that actually, like specifically over 270 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,080 the last couple of weeks. So that's why I think it's funny 271 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,720 that you brought that up because I was like, maybe I should start 272 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,000 something because it wouldn't be a conflict of interest because 273 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,040 it, we don't do telehealth in my practice and it would probably 274 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,160 be a weekend thing or something for those who can't come during 275 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,000 the week or something like that. So I've been dabbling that idea. 276 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,760 So that is probably more of a stay tuned. 277 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,280 As of right now I'm I don't do that, but that might change in 278 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,880 the near future as well. So just to run you through 279 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,600 everybody else. So Andrea runs her own PT 280 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 practice and so she does a lot of in person stuff. 281 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,360 So if you're in Connecticut, you can connect with her. 282 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,720 You can go to her Instagram, Andrea Myers MYERSDPT That's 283 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,600 where you could reach out to her and she does a lot of cycling 284 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,160 and running performance stuff. So if you're in person, you can 285 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,240 go in and do like bike fittings and like PT with her. 286 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,080 The other thing that she does is virtual performance 287 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,840 consultations. These are like one time 288 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,400 consultations for running or for cycling. 289 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,240 So you can reach out to Andrea if you want to work with her. 290 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Matt also does different types of work, so if you are near 291 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,480 George Fox University, he sees people in person there. 292 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,240 But then he also is doing virtual options for people who 293 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,240 are either in California or Oregon, just where he has his 294 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,360 licensure. And you can reach out to him at 295 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Klein Runs DPTPHD. That's where you're going to 296 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,400 find him on Instagram and on social. 297 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,680 And then for myself, I help direct Pioneers Running Lab and 298 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,960 so we have some in person stuff in Stevens Point area in 299 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,880 Wisconsin. I'm personally not doing much in 300 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,520 person things right now because my full time gig is at the 301 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,360 university. I run a running clinic just with 302 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,720 our athletes at the university. But what I also do is we have 303 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,480 online like longer term one-on-one coaching. 304 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,080 And so if you're interested in that, we have a team of PTS who 305 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,800 are doing run coaching as well. I would vouch for any one of 306 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,480 them. So you could reach out to me at 307 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,800 pineries running lab on any of the socials and you can just 308 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,440 send me a message. And I would kind of chat with 309 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,600 you about what those options look like to do one-on-one 310 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,800 virtual coaching. So there are ways to connect 311 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,040 with all of us. It's kind of just what's what's 312 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,680 the right thing for you if it's a consultation or if it's in 313 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 person sessions or if it's coaching. 314 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,240 We've got a lot of stuff going on right now. 315 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Anything else you want to add there? 316 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,960 No, I guess the only thing would if if someone was trying to be 317 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,240 like the person to be the final nudge to get me over that line 318 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 if I guess my handle, Yeah. So I guess that would be docs of 319 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,920 run David. So DOCSRUN David. 320 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Yeah, on IG. OCSOF. 321 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,480 OF my bad, my bad. Docs of run David, yeah. 322 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,800 Docs of run David. So that's where you could find 323 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:48,840 me there. Sweet. 324 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,120 Well, let's get into the mailbag for the day. 325 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,320 We've got some great questions and this one is actually going 326 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,600 to be pretty much only you talking about it because it's a 327 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,960 shoe that I have not got my hands on yet. 328 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,000 And this is from Phil. They asked a specific question 329 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,440 about your trip to Tokyo. He says one of the differences 330 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,079 in feel for him between the meta speed Edge Plus and the Meta 331 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:15,040 speed Edge Paris is that the arch of the Paris feels higher 332 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,880 or maybe the shoes just narrower. 333 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,359 He's wondering than the plus, does the Edge Tokyo arch feel 334 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,200 more similar to the Edge Plus or the Edge Paris? 335 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Or is it just different from both? 336 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,880 Either way, he is expecting or guarantees that he'll add the 337 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,360 meta speed edge to his collection but doesn't. 338 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,560 You just hadn't mentioned anything about the arch, so he's 339 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,280 just kind of curious. Living on the edge, I like it. 340 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,320 Yeah, thinking about it. So I didn't actually have any 341 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,200 arch issues with those two previous models and they felt 342 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,440 decently similar to me between the models. 343 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,320 If anything I almost remember the Edge Plus being more narrow 344 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,360 than the Edge parrots, but I could be wrong on that through 345 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:05,440 the midfoot. What I will say is that the new 346 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:11,920 Edge Tokyo model, it fits similar as the Paris, but it is 347 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,400 ever so slightly more spacious. There's a little bit more volume 348 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,840 in the forefoot that is definitely noticeable and I 349 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,640 think that kind of caters into that mid foot a little bit more. 350 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,160 So if it felt a little bit too narrow, it might be Goldilocks 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,920 on this one. It like it might just be just a 352 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,440 little bit more spacious to where it holds that foot in. 353 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,200 I don't, I don't know if I'd necessarily characterize any of 354 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,040 the models as wide, you know, or like overly narrow, especially 355 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,480 for like a racing shoe. I feel like they actually have 356 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,320 pretty decent fits. But I do feel like the Edge 357 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:50,960 Tokyo is a little bit more spacious than the Edge Paris. 358 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,120 Yeah. And when I say a little, I mean 359 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,720 a little like the fits pretty similar. 360 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,360 The only thing that's like very noticeable is the four foot 361 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:58,760 volume. There is more volume in the four 362 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,280 foot but the mid foot. Foam is pretty different, right? 363 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,640 Like the you said that the foam felt like a whole new. 364 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,880 Yeah. Oh, it's very different. 365 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,200 Yeah. Well, it's the edge, I think is 366 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:14,400 closer to the edge than the sky is to the sky, because the edge 367 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,200 feels more familiar. You have a lot more of the Turbo 368 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Plus in the heel and midfoot, and then it spoons out into that 369 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,160 really bouncy foam in the forefoot. 370 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,360 So I think the geometry just feels more familiar to the edge. 371 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,200 Sure, especially with the way they placed that foam. 372 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,160 I know this isn't a review of those shoes, but there's just a 373 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,160 lot more under the heel of that new foam in flat foam leap in 374 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,720 the sky compared to the previous version of the sky. 375 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,920 And I felt like those experiences were different 376 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,120 between the skies, but the edge experiences felt actually pretty 377 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,920 similar outside of having just a way more bouncy forefoot. 378 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,160 OK, yeah, 'cause I think sometimes for me, like if the 379 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,880 foam changes significantly, the feeling under the arch can also 380 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,760 change, even if the fit didn't change much. 381 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,720 Like I'm thinking about like the ortho light in the new Phantom 4 382 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,320 versus Phantom 3 because they softened up the foam. 383 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,800 Like I can feel the arch a little bit more because this 384 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,360 foam is softer. Again, everyone's experiences 385 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:12,960 are different and so I was just curious. 386 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,640 But it sounds like the amount of the turbo, it's mostly similar, 387 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,680 so it's not going to change too much. 388 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,880 It's also wider, like the platform, I don't know, I sent 389 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,560 you guys pictures. I think, yeah, that the heel is 390 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,120 a lot wider from a platform standpoint, like a lot more so 391 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:32,360 flaring. So that might change that 392 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:36,000 relationship as well. But as far as the direct midfoot 393 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,800 goes, I feel like they're pretty similar, but it might be a 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,920 little bit more spacious in the edge. 395 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,400 Tokyo, the amount of edge edge Tokyo edge Paris Edge plus. 396 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,400 Edge, that's a it's, I haven't even thought that deeply about 397 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,600 the the nomenclature for ASICS right now with their racing 398 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,720 stuff. They haven't gone 1234. 399 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,640 They've they've given it based on the release of what they're 400 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,920 doing. Yeah. 401 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,280 Hmm. So we'll probably have an Agile 402 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,120 A then. I don't know. 403 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,880 Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's just me speaking 404 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,200 out of my butt here. There was absolutely 0 talk of 405 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,640 any of that when I was. Yeah, that'd be kind of fun. 406 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,400 Yeah. Agile A? 407 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,600 That'd be that'd be cool. Sounds fun. 408 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,840 All right, we're going to move on to our next question. 409 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,400 This is from Seth and they're asking a big running store 410 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,000 question. This is what they said. 411 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,520 I would love to know your thoughts on the ideal running 412 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,320 store shoe fitting process. I'm a store manager at a running 413 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,960 store and we work really hard to make sure that we're providing 414 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,920 the best possible service to our customers. 415 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,000 We have every customer on the treadmill take a look at their 416 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,640 gate assessing for over pronation, over supination. 417 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,600 They take a slow motion video for that and they ask a lot of 418 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,600 questions to decide exactly what category of shoe they should be 419 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,280 in and then they bring out either 4 to 5 shoes that are in 420 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,920 stability or neutral category to have the customer try them on. 421 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:03,360 Would love to know what you would change to your ideal 422 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,680 running store fitting process and yeah, what, what are your 423 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,320 thoughts on that? That's pretty much their whole 424 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,920 question. I think it's a great question 425 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,400 and there's a lot there. I mean, I think that's a pretty 426 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,800 thorough, you know, way to do it, especially at being at a 427 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,920 running store. A lot of places just say like, 428 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,200 all right, here you go. Try on. 429 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,920 You know, I think it is easy to get overly systematic as well, 430 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:33,400 but with these types of things. The video is nice, but I think 431 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,520 it would also be good to like Remind, I always say patient 432 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,680 with client in this case to not get overly involved on the video 433 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,960 either. You know, there's going to be a 434 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,800 lot of different differences and how people move shoes or tools 435 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600 and you'll use them slightly differently based on geometries 436 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,440 and what not. So I, I still lean comfort, you 437 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,320 know, over everything and what the shoe that speaks to you is 438 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,240 probably the one that you're going to run in the most. 439 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,360 But if it helps kind of narrow it down to a few different 440 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,960 things, I'm all for it, you know, and I think that does give 441 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,640 people a chance to actually try the shoes on and get a little 442 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,600 bit of distance on them and kind of feel it out versus running 443 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,080 down the hall and back. So that is kind of nice. 444 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,840 But I think like checking in with them and seeing how does it 445 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,880 feel from a fit standpoint even before they're on the treadmill, 446 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,640 like when they're walking around and like, does it feel like you 447 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,880 have enough space in the forefoot? 448 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,960 Does it feel like you have a good hold in the midfoot? 449 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,760 Does it feel like your heels stable? 450 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,600 You know, like, and then getting on and actually running in it 451 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,520 and seeing if that matches the subjective reports before you 452 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,200 get onto the treadmill and how that feels with their own bio 453 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,080 mechanics. So it's like if it feels really 454 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,480 sloppy and clunky, it's like, OK, maybe that's not the shoe 455 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,440 for them, but then something's going to be feel a little bit 456 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,520 more cyclical in their gait pattern and something's going to 457 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,520 speak to them, you know? And it's like, I'd love to be 458 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,560 like, Oh yeah, everything has to be objective and data-driven. 459 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,520 But like the honest truth is it's almost impossible to do 460 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,520 that from a realistic standpoint unless you are putting everyone 461 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 on a met cart and looking at their running economy when 462 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,240 they're running in all of the different shoes that you're 463 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,120 selecting. But I think like also giving 464 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,840 them an option of both stability and neutral versus like for 465 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,600 stability or for neutral, I don't like the ore because 466 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,920 sometimes someone might look like they're pronating a lot and 467 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,200 maybe they are, but they might work a little bit better 468 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,120 mechanically with something that is neutral. 469 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,560 Like pronation isn't necessarily I, I always say this, but yeah, 470 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,840 pronation isn't the enemy. Uncontrolled pronation is over 471 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,240 long, longer efforts. So I, I don't really like the 472 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080 capital or, but that might not be the case. 473 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,800 That might be what was typed and they might be just given what 474 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,120 you know, what people are reporting from their own 475 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,800 preferences. But yeah, like working with the 476 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,280 client to just slowly work down towards a shoe that both parties 477 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:05,200 feel good about independent of any price or anything or 478 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,720 materials or what not or whatever is quote UN quote new. 479 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,280 That's good. My brain goes to a lot of 480 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,880 questions that I have first and I, and unfortunately we're not 481 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,480 like talking with Seth, so we don't know the answers to all 482 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,040 these questions. But I think what makes the right 483 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,960 process depends a lot on what sort of resources you have with 484 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,880 you and what sort of training each person in the store has. 485 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,160 If you have a lot of people who have been through a lot of 486 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,400 training to actually understand what looking at a video of 487 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040 running mechanics means, maybe that's useful. 488 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,400 But if you have a bunch of high school kids who are doing a 489 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,600 wonderful job customer service wise, but they're high schoolers 490 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,280 and they're not trained in mechanics of some kind, that 491 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,440 video is probably more performative than it is helpful. 492 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,320 And it could actually be more harmful than helpful because if 493 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,440 we don't have a deep understanding of things, we can 494 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,760 oversimplify results and tell them, oh, you're a pronator, you 495 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,200 need fill in the blank. And I think that sort of 496 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,880 prescriptive language can also be problematic. 497 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:10,480 So I think that the best fitting process matches the skill level 498 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520 of the people working in the running store and the running 499 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,160 store manager and the owners are going to have to be the ones 500 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200 that figure that out. Like how trained is our staff? 501 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Like are we all like kind of run store specialist people or are 502 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,040 we just having kind of like people come in just to make sure 503 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,640 there's someone in there to help people. 504 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,200 And again, that's more on more on y'all to figure figure that 505 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,480 side out. I think too when it comes to the 506 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,080 video, like I'm, I do a lot of gait analysis. 507 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,720 That's like part of my gig every single week. 508 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,880 I love doing gait analysis. And I think if I've learned 509 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,520 anything from gait analysis, it's equally more complicated 510 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,360 and tells us sometimes less than we want it to. 511 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,720 And again, making deterministic links between, oh, this person 512 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,120 is a pronator, so they need this kind of shoe. 513 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,160 One, isn't backed by the literature, and two, our ability 514 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,320 to see that on a 2D video isn't always that great anyway. 515 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,440 And just because they're pronating at the foot doesn't 516 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,200 mean that they need a foot correction for it. 517 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,720 Maybe it's something different. And I think that's beyond the 518 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000 scope of a running store. So if you're going to use video, 519 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,920 just be thoughtful about it and make sure that the language used 520 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400 to communicate with the customers in the store doesn't 521 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,680 make them think that something's wrong with them. 522 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,000 I think that is where my brain kind of goes there. 523 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,320 So in my mind, the perfect, perfect, not, I can't even use 524 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,520 that word, but a potentially like way that I would go about 525 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,080 fitting if I was working in a running store would be a lot 526 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,000 more customer centric. Not to say that their process is 527 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,360 not customer centric, but I would want to make sure that 528 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,520 it's customer centric in the way that I'm asking them a ton of 529 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600 questions. If they're coming in, they have 530 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,440 experience running, most of the time is talking about what 531 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,080 they've enjoyed in the past, what has worked for them, what 532 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,560 sort of injuries they've had and what sort of shoes like felt 533 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,360 right and why. So asking them questions about 534 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,600 shoes that they've had that they might not have thought about. 535 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,400 He's like, I like that shoe. Why do you like it? 536 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,920 I don't know. Well, do you, did you notice 537 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,120 that you like the cushioning and you start to go through 538 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,880 questions that help you, you know, as the store like worker, 539 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,840 OK, I'm going to get shoes in this category because they've 540 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240 loved that and I'm going to avoid these because they've 541 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,240 hated that, whether that's fit or foam feel or stiffness or 542 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,920 whatever. Like you can tease that out 543 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,440 maybe better than they can see. That's what you can bring to the 544 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,400 table. So I think even more than the 545 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,880 running analysis, I think it's more important to get questions 546 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080 answered. And like you said, David, I 547 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,280 wouldn't say that somebody should try just stability or 548 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,520 just neutral. In fact, probably better to try 549 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,480 both. Like I brought Jana and I went, 550 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,480 my wife and I, we went to the shoe store before we went on a 551 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,040 trip where we're going to have to walk a lot. 552 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280 And we brought out a ton of different shoes based on her 553 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,040 experience in the past. Some of them were stability, 554 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,440 some weren't. And she would have the foot type 555 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,960 and The Walking mechanics that would tell you she should be in 556 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920 a stability shoe. And none of them felt right for 557 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,760 her in comparison to the neutral. 558 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,640 So she got the neutral shoe. We ended up walking, you know, 559 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,960 like 10 miles a day for six days and she had no problems at all 560 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000 that entire week. And so it really, I think adding 561 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,080 variability and options for people to try and just 562 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,640 broadening that, making sure that it matches what their 563 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,080 preferences are is more important than the running, 564 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,080 especially if there's people who aren't trained to really 565 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,600 understand what the mechanics mean. 566 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,000 So it's probably what I would say that felt really long winded 567 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,320 though. Anything that you would add? 568 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,520 No, that was good. Or rebuttal against. 569 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Me. No, no, I was going to add a 570 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320 cheeky sports comment but there's there's always room for 571 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,560 stuff like that later. Both of us are just sad NBA. 572 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,800 Our teams. Got knocked out early, so tough. 573 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,040 It's fine. Everything's fine. 574 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Cool box. Having a great time at this 575 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320 point right now that we're recording, the Pacers are up 2O 576 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,080 in the Eastern Conference Finals, which is. 577 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,680 Crazy. They won both in New York. 578 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,120 Yeah. So who knows what's going to be 579 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,040 happened by the time this releases because I don't, I 580 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,480 think I run like a 2 1/2 week delay or something. 581 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,680 Anyway, thank you, Seth, for that question and hopefully the 582 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,520 discussion was helpful. We, like we said, I think it's a 583 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,440 lot more about your specific situation and who you got in 584 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360 your store to figure out what the right process is for you. 585 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,880 All right, the next question is from Skyler and Skyler writes. 586 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,640 I'm hoping I can get a shoe recommendation from y'all since 587 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,400 you seem to share my love for 0 shoes, which we do enjoy Xero 0 588 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,600 shoes. So it's like kind of the 589 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,720 minimalist shoes. If you're not aware of that they 590 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,640 say this. I'm currently using an ultra 591 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,000 torrent 5. Prefer shorter distance racing. 592 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,560 10K Max and they'll be in the 15 to 30 mile range per week for a 593 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,320 good while. I have done 0 drop barefoot 594 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360 minimalist shoes for about 8 years and running ultras for the 595 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,280 last four years so some cushioning in there. 596 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,520 I've not. They're not tied to 0 drop for 597 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,200 running shoes but they do like a wider toe box. 598 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,680 But it doesn't necessarily need to be ultra wide. 599 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,520 ALTRA not ultra like extra ultra wide. 600 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,560 They prefer a do all shoe at the moment versus kind of 601 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,240 specializing in one place or another. 602 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,080 They're mid to 4 foot striker with basically no pronation or 603 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,360 supination. But they'd say that they 604 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,720 typically get soreness in their calves and they'd like something 605 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,640 that could take a little bit of load off of them. 606 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,920 And they also get a little bit of Patel moral pain and a sore 607 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,960 ear right in the front of the distal fibular head. 608 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,040 I'm so down by the ankle. And so just some recommendations 609 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840 based off of those goals. What thoughts do you have? 610 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,760 That's a lot, yeah. Well, it sounds like they're not 611 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,320 afraid of both load drops and rockers because Ultra will do 612 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,440 that. So if we're looking to unload it 613 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,080 a little bit, but you don't want to put too much of an anterior 614 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,120 force forward on the knees. Well, you said the distal 615 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800 fibular. Well, there's disofibular, but 616 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160 also Patel femoral pain. So they've got kind of a little. 617 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,480 Bit of everything. A smattering. 618 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,000 The first thing they said, though, that sounded most the 619 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,840 most common, was the calf soreness, commonly sore. 620 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,120 I mean, if you want to kind of have a familiar geometry but 621 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,000 have just a little bit of a raise, Topo Athletic does have 3 622 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,240 and 5mm drop options. If you're used to being down in 623 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120 that 0 range and you just want a little something a little 624 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,880 higher, that's the first one that comes to mind. 625 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,440 And it does have a wider toe box. 626 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,400 New Balance does a pretty good job as well, kind of having a 627 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,720 wider forefoot as well and having some lower drop options. 628 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,360 I know you're a big fan of the Rebel Five. 629 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,920 I am as well. I, I know you like it, probably 630 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,720 for this. I, I think it might be a little 631 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,360 soft. I don't know, but yeah. 632 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,720 Well, that's what I would say. I think Rebel Five could work, 633 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,920 yeah, but it would be an extremely different foam 634 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,440 experience than you're used to an ultra because it's so soft 635 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,800 and much bouncier, kind of really responsive 6mm versus 0. 636 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,200 So that's it would be different, but I think it could be an 637 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,320 option. But yeah, keep going if you have 638 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,520 more. Yeah, I'm just trying to think 639 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,560 kind of thinking out loud here. I mean, that's really kind of 640 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,240 the main one is kind of topo athletics where my brain goes. 641 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,640 But shoot, I'm drawing a blank, man. 642 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160 How about you go and circle back to me? 643 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,920 Yeah, I think I have a couple. Like when I think about even 644 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,400 sticking in ultra, the Ford experience gives you a 4mm drop, 645 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,160 mild rocker, semi, semi rigid, 4 foot, but it's flexible enough. 646 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,320 So I think you'd get just a touch of offloading and you 647 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,920 would get a similar foam experience. 648 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,440 You would just get that 4mm offset in the Ford Experience. 649 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,240 And then I was thinking topo as well. 650 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,080 And the I think that because they want that kind of and oh, 651 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,600 from a do it all perspective, I think the forward experience can 652 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,320 do that. Like it. 653 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,880 It's light enough where you can kind of pick up the pace a 654 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,400 little bit, but it's not going to it's not bouncy foam, so it's 655 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,360 not going to give you too much. But if we shift over to topo, 656 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719 when I think about do it all, I think either cyclone or the 657 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,520 specter. The one thing I didn't like 658 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,360 about the specter too, was the huge heel bevel. 659 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,440 But if they're truly like if you're truly a mid and four foot 660 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,159 striker, that heel bevel or the heel posterior heel flare won't 661 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,120 matter at all. So I think the topo Spectre 2 662 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,080 would give you a lot of training, you know, heavy, high 663 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,280 mileage stuff. And it's light enough and has a 664 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,520 little bit of bounce because it's the P backs foam from them. 665 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,719 So you'd get a little bit of bounce, but it's not so soft 666 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,239 like the Rebel, like I said, is really soft Topos P backs is 667 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640 still pretty firm. So I don't think it would feel 668 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,760 like too big of a deviation from what you're used to, But I do 669 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,120 think it would offload a little bit even more than the cyclone, 670 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,480 the Specter would because it's a little bit stiffer through the 671 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,880 forefoot. So those were the ones that 672 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,160 really came to my mind that give you that wide toe box, gives you 673 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,320 a little bit going on there. The first one is from Robert. 674 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,960 They say they start their message with this and what's up 675 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,280 docs, which I found pretty good. Clever they said. 676 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,720 Are there any detriments associated with running shoes 677 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:27,720 not allowing the lateral midfoot to flatten as much as it does 678 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,680 when I'm barefoot? I don't experience any 679 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,240 discomfort, I just noticed that some shoes constricted a bit and 680 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,080 didn't know what the long term effects that could have. 681 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,920 Yeah. So he's asking like, like the 682 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,920 lateral midfoot doesn't come down as much in the shoes. 683 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,160 Yeah, because he totally flattens out. 684 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,280 I'm assuming he's he's talking about in the barefoot where is 685 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,240 he's kind of feeling like that lateral. 686 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,720 So the way I'm conceptualizing it, if you think about your 687 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,240 foot, you have two different arches. 688 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,160 You have your medial longitudinal arch and your 689 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,880 lateral longitudinal arch. The medial 1 is what we really 690 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,600 think about is our arch, you know, like the collapsing 691 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,760 pronating that happens really at the medial arch. 692 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520 The lateral arch is on the outside of the foot. 693 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,080 And that's kind of what he's talking about here. 694 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,160 And he's wondering, oh, if I'm held and kind of a more arch 695 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,160 maintained position, which would be a supinated position of the 696 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,000 foot long term, is that detrimental? 697 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,600 None. I mean, depends how extreme 698 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,640 we're talking. Definitely depends. 699 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,960 But I don't know. I mean, I feel like every shoe 700 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,960 on the planets going to do that to some degree, right? 701 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,800 Like you're not going to have quite as much freedom of 702 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,600 movement when you have something around your foot. 703 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,720 That's just the truth. But I think as long as you have 704 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:43,160 something that gives you ample space to move, you should be 705 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,360 fine. Will it be a little bit more 706 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,000 restrictive than truly barefoot? It always will be, I think. 707 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,320 But it's really just listening to what feels the most natural 708 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,640 for you, especially through that midfoot, if that's something 709 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,400 you're sensitive to. So finding shoes that have just 710 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,440 a little bit more accommodation in that region. 711 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,720 Yeah, I, I think that this is definitely a matter of volume 712 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,760 and time. You know, if you are just 713 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,320 running in a shoe, but you're spending all your time either 714 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,080 barefoot, minimalist shoes or just like anything else that's 715 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,160 not restricting your movement, you're probably not going to 716 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,600 have problems, especially depending on your running 717 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,240 volume. Like if you're running 200 miles 718 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,520 a week, that's a different situation than if you're like me 719 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,360 and you're running like 20. Those are two very different 720 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,520 stimuli. And if you're just restricting 721 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,640 movement for that much time in your week compared to all the 722 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,360 other time on your feet, it may not be consequential. 723 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,120 And like you said, too much of anything is probably bad. 724 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,360 Too much water is bad for you. So it's you want to give your 725 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,240 foot time to do lots of different things. 726 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,920 That's why we like shoe rotations. 727 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640 And it sounds like if you don't just spend all your time, I 728 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,920 don't see any major risks like listening to this, especially if 729 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,480 you're not having any discomfort. 730 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,120 It's just allowing you to get stimulus through your body. 731 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,840 You're working your cardiovascular system, you're 732 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,240 working your musculoskeletal system. 733 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,680 None of that's going to be bad. So I would say very low on my 734 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,400 concern radar for sure. Okay, got one more question for 735 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,800 us and then we will wrap it up. David is sending us a question. 736 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,720 Not you, David. A different David did. 737 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,400 You cut my question. I cut your question. 738 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,440 I'm sorry that we get a lot. So they just recently read our 739 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,840 review of the ASICS Glide Ride 3, but unfortunately they're no 740 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,480 longer available. Yes, it's a shoe that's been out 741 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920 for a while and they're looking for a similar shoe that will 742 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,960 help with their foot pain caused by Hallux Rigidus. 743 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,400 Hallux Rigidus is the inability of your big toe to extend. 744 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,560 In the past, they've typically worn Saucony stability sneakers, 745 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,520 but now need something with a rocker sole and a stiff forefoot 746 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,080 due to the arthritis that they have in their big toe. 747 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,000 They also have flat feet and say they have over pernation. 748 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,720 Hoping you might be able to recommend a few options that 749 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,400 could help alleviate discomfort. Thanks for your time and 750 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,840 expertise. So I wanted to say a few things 751 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,640 on this one first and then I'll pitch it over to you. 752 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,360 So just to make sure everyone's on the same page, ASICS Glide 753 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,520 Ride 3 is a very rockard shoe. The Glide Ride series was one of 754 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,960 the first models that really like came out with a rockered 755 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,560 sole and it has a plate in it. So it's not it's still 756 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:23,280 relatively stiff and so it's still relatively stiff. 757 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,280 So if you have that Hallux rigidness, it's going to do what 758 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,800 we call the four foot rocker for you, which means your big toe 759 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,360 doesn't need to extend usually and you need like 65 to 70 760 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,120 degrees of extension in the big toe. 761 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,240 And So what he's looking for is a shoe that's going to do a 762 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,040 similar thing. The good thing right now is that 763 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,040 there are a ton of shoes that are carbon plated, which means 764 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,640 that a lot of shoes are going to be options for people with the 765 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,080 Hallux rigidis. I've had people who have 766 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,840 utilized even the like original Endorphin Pro series that wasn't 767 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,760 too aggressive for a lot of their daily runs because the 768 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,960 carbon plate and the rocker were really helpful. 769 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,560 In this case, it might not be the best option given their 770 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,640 desire in their history of using more stability shoes. 771 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,040 So David, I don't think like picking out some sort of like 772 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,840 high speed, you know, racing shoe is going to be the option. 773 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,200 But there are some other ones that I think are similar to the 774 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,400 Glide ride three. One of those, they do have the 775 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,160 Glide ride Max now. So the only difference is we 776 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,560 found that that one's a little bit more flexible than the 777 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,480 previous Glide Ride 3. So you may not have as much 778 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,320 luck, but it's definitely worth going and trying on and seeing 779 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,160 if it could work for you. The second shoe that comes into 780 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,240 my mind is one that I don't have a ton of miles in, but Matt has 781 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,640 ran in in a bunch or actually 2 shoes from Brooks. 782 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,520 So one of them is the Ghost Max 3 and then the Glycerin Max. 783 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,120 Those are two shoes that have a pretty rigid 4 foot no plate, 784 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,400 but they do operate off of that rocker a little bit more. 785 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,200 So those could be two more like daily training type shoes to 786 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,040 check out. The last one that is in my head 787 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,760 is the New Balance SC Trainer version three. 788 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,680 That shoe has a plate in it, but it's got a pretty flat platform, 789 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,280 so it's not going to hold your toe and extension at all, and it 790 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,160 has a good rocker that you're operating off of. 791 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,040 It's a little bit lighter weight, it does still have a 792 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,480 wider platform underneath, but those are the ones that come 793 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,920 into my mind that you could consider for a replacement if 794 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,480 you want to go try them out. But when we look at Alex 795 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,440 Rigidus, a lot of times it's that great toes inability to 796 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,400 move, usually due to arthritic changes. 797 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,040 And one of the hardest things that has a hard time doing is 798 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,520 extending. And so forfeit that have, you 799 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,280 know, very flexible for it's a lot of times are very sensitive. 800 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,320 And so finding something that's a little bit stiffer and 801 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,520 rockered, but doesn't have too much to a sprink if you kind of 802 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,800 jam it into extension, sometimes it doesn't feel great. 803 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,800 It's kind of finding a balance of those types of geometry. 804 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,480 So I think of kind of mostly stiffer rockered shoes for the 805 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,000 most part. You just got to be careful with 806 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,160 your selection on how it feels on that big toe. 807 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,760 We were talking the other day about walking shoes and when you 808 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,400 were going to to Disney World and I was like, Oh, you're 809 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,280 taking the on news. And he was like, oh, a little 810 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,920 bit too much toast spraying for me. 811 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,920 And I was like, Dang, not for me. 812 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,760 They're great. I love them. 813 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,880 But that would be an example where it just puts you in just a 814 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,840 little bit too much extension than you like. 815 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,160 And if you have discomfort there, that's not going to feel 816 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,720 so good after a full day of wearing them and or running in 817 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,440 them for longer periods of time. Not that that's meant to be a 818 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,920 running shoe per SE, but we're talking about Anu sequence AH 819 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,320 and U in that specific model, but finding something that has a 820 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,800 kind of a rounded forefoot there that doesn't have too much of A 821 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,960 raise in the very front of the shoe, like when your foots 822 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,520 actually sitting in it in the toes. 823 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,760 So I would just try a few things. 824 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,360 Some people respond really well to like, some people just love 825 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,320 like let's say a Hoka Bondi or an ASICS Nimbus or some of those 826 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800 classic shoes. Some people just don't respond 827 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,880 quite as well to them. But I would kind of say just 828 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,840 look at the general themes, try to find something that kind of 829 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,080 matches up with your 4 foot rocker there as you take a step. 830 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,200 And you can always try these shoes on in the store, Walk 831 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,960 around, run around a little bit and kind of see what speaks to 832 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,520 you and kind of what feels like you're rolling off of that 4 833 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,320 foot the smoothest. Because usually you'll kind of 834 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,400 know if you know, you know, you know, like you'll get this 835 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,920 jammed up sensation where it just can't extend and it won't 836 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,280 feel very comfortable. So. 837 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,920 The one thing I'm going to add to David's thoughts there is 838 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,720 that some shoes without a plate. So I mentioned a few Glycerin 839 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:38,200 Max, Ghost Max three, he mentioned the Nimbus, the Bondi. 840 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,560 They're going to start more rigid and they will become more 841 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,920 flexible. So if they are feeling slightly 842 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,840 flexible in the beginning, they're probably not the good 843 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200 option for you. But like the Glycerin Max in 844 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,960 particular doesn't really loosen up as much. 845 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,440 It's got a lot of rigidity, but the rocker starts later. 846 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,800 So you're just going to have to test out some of these that we 847 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,360 mentioned and hopefully you find one that works for you. 848 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,040 I have loved the Glide Ride series since its first 849 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,120 initiation. I think it's been a fun space 850 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,320 where maximalist rockers have kind of like taken roof. 851 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,600 So thanks to ASICS for that entire series. 852 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,320 So we are going to wrap things up. 853 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,680 If you want to submit questions to be considered for mailbags, 854 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,440 we do our best to get through as many as we can, but we have such 855 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,720 a long list. Please e-mail us at 856 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:24,160 doctorsofrunning@gmail.com and we will try to add this to our 857 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,240 list of mailbag questions. And thanks for joining us today. 858 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,160 We'll talk to y'all next time.