1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,880 Hello everybody and welcome to the Doctors Running podcast 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,440 where we a group of doctors of physical therapy discussed the 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,800 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,920 feet. Today at the round table we have 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,960 the founder of Doctors Running, Doctor Matthew Klein and Doctor 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,120 David Salas. And then myself, I'm Nathan 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Brown and today we are going to be doing a this or that episode 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,160 where we are going to be pitting 2 shoes against each other. 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,960 And we would talk about about which one we would pick and why 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,360 potentially for ourselves or potentially for certain 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,720 populations depending on where our minds go. 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,520 These are a lot of shoes that we've tested over the last about 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,680 six months to a year. And they were trying to take 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,640 shoes that fall into similar categories and just talk about 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,400 why we may pick one or another. But before we do that, do either 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,320 of you want to talk a little bit about your current running and 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,960 what you're up to, or is it kind of like running's kind of the 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,560 worst? Let's not talk about it. 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,200 Where are we at? I think we both are kind of, 20 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:09,760 neither of us are training at full capacity at the moment for 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,000 various reasons and reasons to be further understood. 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,840 So I think on that side of things, but learning to enjoy 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,160 the easy run more, trying to embrace it. 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,200 How's that going? That's good, man. 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,680 Trying to smell the roses a little bit, really trying to, 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,840 you know, what I started doing was I started as I'm, as I'm 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,320 sure a lot of our listeners do, is listen to podcasts while I 28 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:42,560 was running. And I was doing that for quite a 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,280 bit, almost every single run for like a while now, like for the 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,480 last couple months and the last few runs, I've actually 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,720 unplugged and it's been kind of nice to just fully be, you know, 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,160 get all the good sounds and full experience of being out running. 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,880 With that said, come, you know, 5:00 AM tomorrow morning I 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,400 probably will plug in again because it's a little bit more 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,600 joyful when it's dark outside. Something some kind of company? 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,000 But I think when it's like, yeah, when you have visibility 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,800 and you're in a beautiful area and sometimes it's nice to soak 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,800 all that in. I'd agree. 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,040 I think you know these seasons where you can't run how you and 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,200 I are wanting to. It definitely, I hope, shows the 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,680 like other people who are following along with us that 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,000 nobody is immune to something going wrong and not being 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,560 exactly as you want it to. And I know for myself as a PT 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,280 who worked works with runners, that was like a hard pill to 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,720 swallow for myself too, from like a, if I am unable to run at 46 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,480 full capacity all the time, who am I to be helping somebody 47 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,000 else? And I think that that sort of 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,440 imposter kind of syndrome like, or just like the self doubt and 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,800 questioning my ability to help others has been something I 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,240 remember that happening at a ton early in my career as well. 51 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Thankfully, like 10 years in, I've become a lot more secure in 52 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,840 those realities that I'm a human and I either make bad choices or 53 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,040 just bad stuff happens regarding my body sometimes. 54 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,040 And you just got to just got to move forward. 55 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:20,120 What about you, Matt? You run in at all? 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,360 What are you up to? Yeah, unfortunately I'm able to 57 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,800 maintain mileage. A shout out to some of my George 58 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,080 Fox students, Kate and Ethan, who have been dragging me or I 59 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,040 think actually vice versa, sometimes dragging the other out 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,680 and handling me, pushing a stroller. 61 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,600 But it's been, yeah, it's been interesting. 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,160 Regina's doing really well as she's actually progressing 63 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,320 quite, quite fantastically postpartum. 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Isabella's almost a year and a half now. 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,360 So things are really coming together for me. 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,440 It's just honestly just trying to stay healthy, not have any 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,640 MSK issues. The probably the biggest new 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,560 thing is the last two months have integrated probably the 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,400 most aggressive Parametrics I've ever done in my life. 70 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,520 And just going, hey, can I see what happens as I try to reload 71 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,000 some tendons and some old tendinopathies, finally trying 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,600 to see what I can build back and maybe set a foundation for later 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,280 when other parts of me aren't working as well. 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,440 So yeah, it's, it's, it's been interesting to do this because 75 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,640 I've never done, I've done weight training pretty like, you 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,680 know, 200 LB kettlebell left stuff like that for a year or 77 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,160 so. And now to get into this 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,640 jumping, I've never done this before. 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,400 And so it's been interesting to watch what's happened and I 80 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,360 don't know if this is the effect, but I've been able to 81 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,800 handle a lot more neutral shoes recently, like the Peg Premium 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,120 for example, I would have never been able to handle. 83 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,480 And I just took it out for a longer this morning and I 84 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,760 survived and that was interesting. 85 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,160 So performance wise, not, you know, man, but like other things 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,360 that are changing as I kind of mess around with stuff and go, 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,440 huh, that's interesting. I wonder if there is something 88 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,560 to that, or is this just an end of one and there's too many 89 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,200 variables going on? But yeah, so different things 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,600 that I'm observing that are very, very interesting. 91 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,880 Cool. Well, we will get to talk about 92 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,240 the peg premium today that is on the docket with with some of the 93 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,000 this or that's that we're going to go through. 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,960 So let's jump right in. So our first this or that is 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,960 between two heavyweight, yeah, two heavyweight daily trainers 96 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,480 kind of like stand alone shoes that have been kind of the shoe 97 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,280 in a lineup for two major running companies. 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,800 And it's a this or that between the Saucony Ride 18 and the New 99 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,520 Balance 880 version 15. So David, do you want to tell us 100 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,480 a little bit about these models and then your your pick for this 101 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,920 or that? Yeah, those are two are like my 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,640 favorite shoes right now, period. 103 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:49,800 So I don't like this question. OK. 104 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,640 We'll start off with the Saucony Ride 18. 105 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,720 Well, I guess both of them are kind of the the flagship neutral 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,680 trainer for their respective company. 107 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,480 That's the word I was looking for. 108 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,640 I said heavyweights. I'm like, I meant something 109 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,920 different. It's flagship. 110 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,120 Take it away. Yeah, one's Mike Tyson and the 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,240 other one is, I don't know, whatever. 112 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,640 Yeah. So Saucony Ride 18, the Ride 17 113 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,920 received a pretty big update last year with the Power Run 114 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Plus edition and the power and plus midsole continues kind of 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,480 like that beta TPU very durable. It's pretty compliant and soft, 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,160 but it still holds its structure well. 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Again, not a review here, but it's it's softer than the 118 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,200 previous rides because of the foam. 119 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,280 I think they cleaned up the upper a lot in the ride 18. 120 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:42,720 It almost feels kind of like a slightly more, you know, slimmed 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,040 up triumph, which is kind of what they were shooting for. 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:53,120 I think so they they did it 88815 little bit firmer uses the 123 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,840 fresh foam X midsole, but there's a little bit more of it. 124 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:58,560 It's it's a little bit higher now, right? 125 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:06,320 It's like 4243, it's 40. .5 and then yeah, now it's a 6mm drop. 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,600 So they've they've maximalized. Yeah. 127 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,480 And like I would say like both of these shoes, plenty of 128 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,000 cushion on foot 880, just though there's more foam, feels a 129 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,520 little bit heavier, feels a little bit more daily trainer 130 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,000 esque, whereas like the right 18 definitely still feels daily 131 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,040 trainer, but it feels like you have the option to pick it up a 132 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,480 little bit more. And that's reflected in weight 133 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:31,080 too, I think 9.7 in the right 18 and 10.6, so just about an ounce 134 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,120 difference between those two as well, 10.6 and the 880. 135 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,960 Yeah, both durable workhorse neutral trainers. 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,840 I really like both, but I think I like having the touch of 137 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,520 versatility with the right 18. I literally I mean, you guys 138 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,560 know how I organize like my shoes and right now like like I 139 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,120 kind of do it where it's like top shelf, second shelf or kind 140 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,680 of like my like awards and honorable mentions. 141 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,240 And then everything else is like what I need is running. 142 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,080 I can test or whatever and I have it kind of, you know, 143 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,000 organized. But right now, respectively for 144 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,320 the start of this year, these are the two in that neutral 145 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,840 trainer category there. And so they kind of alternate 146 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,680 every once in a while. But I think I'm going to go ride 147 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,640 18. I just like having that slight 148 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,600 little bit of versatility and it's still durable enough for 149 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,320 daily training. You can still take it on long 150 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,720 runs. I've taken it on long runs. 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,760 So I feel like and the upper just fits me a little bit better 152 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,160 than the 17. I think that was the big switch 153 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,880 between the two models. We're like 17 I wasn't entirely 154 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,480 sold on, but like the 18, it just, it just holds my foot 155 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,840 really well. It's the material itself feels a 156 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,120 little softer and it just feels just a little bit more premium 157 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,760 for, for the price point and where it's at in the market. 158 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,640 So I, I think I'm going to go right 18. 159 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Great. Yeah. 160 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,480 And they come in at the same price point too. 161 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,600 I think it's really interesting. Matt, what do you think? 162 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,560 I'm also very split on this, but I and ironically, I think the 163 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,800 880 works better for my mechanics now. 164 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,720 It's become a stable neutral shoe. 165 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Like the mid foot's way wider, the side walls are more 166 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,880 significant. It's not the same 880 that we 167 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,840 used to have. So it it does work really well 168 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,400 for me, but it's kind of similar where I really like the lighter 169 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,920 weight trainers and they feel like the ride has gotten back. 170 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,640 It was a little heavier and really happy the 18 dropped a 171 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,920 little bit of weight, but I feel like that snappy midsole just 172 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,000 works better for kind of what I what I want in a shoe is if I 173 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,960 wasn't, you know, testing all these different shoes I'd want 174 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,760 so they could handle a little bit of everything. 175 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,840 And that's still one of the few daily trainers out there that 176 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,080 can definitely that like flagship, not like your 177 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,840 specialized performance trainers, but one of those shoes 178 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,280 that feels like a performance trainer that I can definitely do 179 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,640 workouts in. I can pick up the pace, but it 180 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,320 does have enough cushioning and I also kind of like that. 181 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,800 And this is a different conversation that it hasn't gone 182 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760 above 40mm. That's kind of stayed and like 183 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,200 it's still tall. It's not a like low slung shoe, 184 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,560 but it's still kind of in that moderate stack height where 185 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,360 things are getting more responsive, which I personally 186 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,600 appreciate. So wall it it even though that 187 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,440 mid foot doesn't work quite work as well as me. 188 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,040 I like the right 18 because it's it's kind of sticking to its 189 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,040 guns in that it's getting more responsive. 190 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,640 It's really that ride that we have experienced the past where 191 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,560 it's lighter, responsive. It can be a daily trainer. 192 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,000 The 880I appreciate where they're going. 193 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,600 I just feel like there are too many shoes on the market like 194 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,920 that and you're starting to see a little bit of overlap with 195 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,280 some of the other, even within the the New Balance offerings. 196 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,560 Even though it's a great shoe, I think it's great. 197 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,640 I think it's actually going to take orthotics really, really 198 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,120 well. I think it's a really stable, 199 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,040 neutral shoe, but for what I want, the ride is going to take 200 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,000 the win. The one thing, the one area that 201 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,880 I think that the 880 takes the win is in walking. 202 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,120 I've been doing a bit more walking the last bit and I just 203 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,600 the platform had that wider mid foot feels really nice for 204 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,080 walking. It's not I don't like shoes that 205 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,320 are bouncy when I'm walking and so it has a little bit of a 206 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,040 flatter, but still nice and cushioned platform. 207 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,400 So it's a really nice shoe and I think that they've done a nice 208 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,760 job with small tweaks that keep it relevant in the flagship 209 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,960 model category without it losing its kind of identity and what 210 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,280 it's been because it's been so basic for a long time in a good 211 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,400 way. And it's still on the firmer end 212 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,640 from a foam perspective then like the more which is much 213 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,840 softer, but it's, it's getting a little bit softer than it used 214 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,480 to be as well. I don't know, though I will say 215 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,360 I like walking and lifestyling alpha fly threes. 216 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,040 You know, white on black, little orange trim. 217 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,920 That's 'cause you're from. I'm also a San Orange fan. 218 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,600 It matches pretty nicely there, you know, and just, it's good, 219 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,440 man. I don't know. 220 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,240 It's nice to have a little bounce in your step when you're 221 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,720 walking around, you know, if you're going on the street or an 222 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,120 airport. And Matt just didn't say. 223 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,000 He just said you're from Socal. He said you're from Socal. 224 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Yeah, Uh huh. Yeah. 225 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,080 We we can't go on that. I'm gonna, I gotta say, I'm 226 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,520 gonna say something. So where I used to work, I used 227 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,840 to have some of my students come join me or I'd run there at 228 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,160 Silver Lake Reservoir. So shout out all this like 229 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Silver Lake Track Club, all this stuff. 230 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,320 But the number of people I saw walking in alpha flies like 231 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,320 drove me nuts. Yeah, what the hell I'm doing, 232 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,560 by the way, when I make The Walking comment about the alpha 233 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,320 flies just so no one takes me seriously. 234 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,280 I don't know. Yeah, I just, you know, I'm just 235 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,120 saying this is like triggering for me where I was like, what 236 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,600 are you doing? Like what? 237 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,320 Why? That's a lot of money. 238 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,360 That's a lot of money for no purpose. 239 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,720 All right. Right. 240 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Go ahead. Can I add on something on the 241 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,040 880? I will say I, Nathan, I think 242 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,440 you're 100% right. And something that we do this is 243 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,840 nerding out. But something we'd have to 244 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,160 remember is believe it or not, especially the United States, 245 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:41,560 more running shoes are sold for walking purposes than they are 246 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,840 sold to runners. So we have to kind of remember 247 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,720 like I think the 880 did do a good job job and it's going to 248 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,560 be a really comfortable shoe, good for running. 249 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,040 It's a great shoe. It's a great shoe. 250 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,880 I think it's also it is also phenomenal for walking in that. 251 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,280 I totally understand new why New Balance is going the direction 252 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,880 it is. I'm not criticizing, I'm just 253 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,720 saying. Great. 254 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Our next one is no longer in the daily trading category, but it's 255 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,400 a little bit of that performance category and we're going to put 256 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:14,480 in the Brooks Hyperion Max 2 and the Hoka Mock X2 against one 257 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,680 another. I'm going to give a little bit 258 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:19,760 of specs on each. The Mock Hoka Mock X2 comes in 259 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,520 at $190.00. The weight is 8.9 oz or 252 260 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:30,720 grams in men's size 97.7 oz 218 grams in women size 8 stack 261 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,480 height is 46mm in the heel, 41 in the four foot for a 5mm drop 262 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,600 and it does have AP backs midsole within there. 263 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,240 And then the Hyperion Max 2 is $180.00. 264 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,320 So if I'm doing my math right it's $10 cheaper. 265 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,760 Comes in at 9.1 oz 258g men's size 98.1 oz 229 grams for 266 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,720 women's size 8 little bit lower on the stack height 36.25 in the 267 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,240 heel, 30.25 in the four foot 6mm drop. 268 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,960 But the they're both plated and they kind of are in the similar 269 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,440 world for weight and stack just a little bit, just a little bit 270 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,200 different. So what do you all pick? 271 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,840 This or that Hyperion Max 2 or mock X2? 272 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,440 Matt, why don't you start this time? 273 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,400 I'm going to pick the mock X2, although like I I would have 274 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,480 taken that shoe farther if the heel had stayed intact, so I 275 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,240 unfortunately ripped through it and didn't. 276 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,360 Get so. But yeah, I ripped the outsole 277 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,160 off at 60 miles. I there's a lot of potential in 278 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,880 that shoe. I found it. 279 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,480 It was so, so serious. Like I actually almost got it. 280 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,200 I got a cap spasm, which I almost never get. 281 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,160 And then when it broke in, I'm like, this is great. 282 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,960 I was using it for everything from workouts to like a daily 283 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,080 training. Even though we say like be 284 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,520 careful running in like super trainers and stuff like that or 285 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,360 super esque shoes all the time. But I did. 286 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,400 I think Brooks is on the right track, but I found the foam too 287 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,200 firm and the plate even more stiff to the point it was 288 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,080 uncomfortable for me. I know certain people love that 289 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,680 shoe, but Andrea, the I yeah, Andrea always loves those. 290 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,680 So I think in version 3, Brooks might take it back because 291 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:08,640 they're making some foam changes. 292 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,560 We'll see what happens, but currently the Mock X2 is the 293 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,120 winner for me, even though that else will kill which Hoka. 294 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,760 Please fix that. David, what do? 295 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,240 You think I'm a I'm a Hyperion Max too, boy. 296 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Yeah, yeah, I go the other way. I think for me, the Hyperion Max 297 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,040 too just feels a little bit more nimble. 298 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,480 Some of the things that you highlighted about it kind of 299 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,600 negatively impacting it, like as far as like the firmer nature of 300 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,480 it, the stiffness, like I feel like that she just feels a 301 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,280 little bit more stable on foot for me. 302 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,160 And I will acknowledge maybe it's a little less responsive in 303 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,400 comparison as far as like really hitting the ground and running 304 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,160 fast and turning over. But I feel like the transitions 305 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,440 are just a little bit more comfortable and it feels a 306 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,800 little bit more nimble for me. So it's like if I'm running 307 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,120 daily paces for warm up and cool down and then I'm doing, let's 308 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,880 say a long run workout or something, I feel like I just 309 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,200 would learn more towards the Hyperion Max 2 for me 310 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,640 personally. Whereas like the Mock X2 feels 311 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,040 like it kind of has a time and place there where like, Oh yeah, 312 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,200 if you want to RIP it and you want it to be that shoe, it can 313 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,440 be that shoe. But I feel like the Hyperion Max 314 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:22,240 2 for me just kind of checks a few more boxes while maybe not 315 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,800 performing quite as fast as the other one. 316 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,400 Which one would you pick, this or that if it was going to be 317 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,960 your complete do it all shoe or you had to do your easy runs in 318 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,720 it? Yeah, Hyperion Max 2. 319 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,520 OK. Yeah, I think the transitions 320 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,600 are just a little smoother for me. 321 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,640 Box X2 I would I would stay with because that's actually 322 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,720 literally what I did. So y'all like from front to 323 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,960 back, whether it's fast or slow, you're both sticking with your 324 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,080 pick. It's not like. 325 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,360 Yeah, yeah, I've done these long runs in the Hyperion Max too, 326 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,480 yeah. Great. 327 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,760 Cool. Well, let's move on to our next 328 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,200 one. This is where we're going to be 329 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,600 bringing out the Nike Pegasus Premium and we're going to 330 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,080 compare that to two different shoes. 331 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,480 The first one we're going to do is you get to pick this or that, 332 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,359 the Nike Pegasus or the Nike Pegasus Premium. 333 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,280 See, shoes couldn't be more different in some ways, similar 334 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,760 in some construction factors like the mid sole, the mid foot 335 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,760 width and stuff. But yeah, which one do you pick 336 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,359 and why? This is not comparing apples to 337 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,920 apples, but it is if you're choosing a Nike shoe. 338 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,240 Which one you picking and why? Yeah, it's a tough one for me 339 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,440 personally. I'll go first just because I 340 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,920 this just got here so I haven't actually run in the Pegasus 341 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Premium yet, but I've walked around and I've wanted to the 342 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,960 clinic a couple times. Kind of worked on breaking it in 343 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,880 before I run in it shortly. But general feeling on the 344 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,040 shoes, as fun as the Pegasus Premium kind of feels walking 345 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,360 around, I'm sure it'll be have a nice lively ride when I run in 346 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:58,400 it. There's something nice about 347 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,000 having something a little bit firmer, closer to the ground, 348 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,480 little bit more flexible design on the Pegasus where I feel like 349 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,800 that just will serve my needs a little bit more. 350 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:12,080 Like of everything, maybe the Pegasus premium will be a better 351 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,400 long run shoe if it works with my mechanics and maybe it'll be 352 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,160 a nice workhorse. But I think I think the Pegasus, 353 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,000 I mean, shoot, you could use that as like a walking shoe, a 354 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,240 running shoe, a travel shoe. You can even like lifestyle that 355 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,400 if you wanted to, both of those you could probably lifestyle 356 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,680 just fine, but like, I don't know. 357 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,240 And then that price point too, I feel like there's a pretty 358 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,440 massive swing on the price point, so. 1140 for the Pegasus 359 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,520 41 and 210 for the Pegasus Premium. 360 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Yeah. So unless you really want the 361 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,240 Zoom X and the air pods or air layer air, what are they calling 362 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,720 that air plate? Like I don't even know. 363 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,920 What are the? Air Zoom, but they always call 364 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,320 it Air Zoom. Air Zoom, I guess I don't know. 365 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,560 Theoretically. It's a it's a full length air. 366 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,320 It's a full length air zoom layer. 367 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,600 I think it's how they're. Yeah, we'll see though. 368 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,200 I got to run in it. There's a chance that that 369 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,800 answer may change. But I think for right now, I 370 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,200 think looking at it, trying to look at it as objective as I 371 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,240 can, I think the Pegasus still wins. 372 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Yeah. And I'm putting this out there 373 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,960 mainly because we know that Matt has gotten a good amount of 374 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,120 miles in it. So Matt, let's let's shift it 375 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:29,200 over to you and your take. I'm very conflicted because the 376 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,640 premium is growing on me. The first several virals were 377 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,720 absolutely not comfortable. This shoe it like I think David 378 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,560 taking time to break it in is really important because it is 379 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,600 very stiff and like I can't bend this at all. 380 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,200 There's no plate in here to to my knowledge, but it's really 381 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,960 stiff and fairly firm. It took almost until the long 382 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,640 run today for me to actually start feeling the the the bounce 383 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,280 in it. It's a heavier shoe for sure. 384 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,040 The bounce does offset this. I do appreciate it. 385 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,640 It's kind of a fun shoot, but just some of these factors that 386 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,680 took a while to break in. Toe box has really tapered for 387 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,640 me that there's not a ton of a bevel here, so it's been a 388 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,240 little bit clunky. It's weirdly not as unstable as 389 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,840 I was expecting, but just my feet have kind of ached. 390 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:15,000 After using, I think because it's so stiff and for that 391 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,160 reason, and that might change with some more miles, I'm going 392 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,360 to still go with the traditional Pegasus because of what it can 393 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,320 do in terms of it's, it's not as fast I feel like as previous 394 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,440 pegs, but it's still a decent weight. 395 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,480 It's got a good amount of volume and width to it where it's not 396 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,640 the narrowest, but it's also not the widest shoe in it. 397 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Yes, the four foot is tapered, but it does break in and they've 398 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,040 just done a really good job with the bevel. 399 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,480 The rear foot is more stable because of some side walls 400 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,400 placement. So I got to choose and 401 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,840 especially at the price point, it's the Pegasus is still more 402 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,440 of that shoe I want, whereas the the premium is really 403 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,480 interesting, but it's taking a long time to break in which I 404 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,600 kind of I think for 2:10, I would expect that a little bit 405 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,280 quicker, but I can appreciate what they're doing. 406 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,440 So inline peg peg 41 still takes the win for me. 407 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,280 And I think our next comparison or this or that will also 408 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,600 highlight the confusion about what the Peg Premium like really 409 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,640 beats out, like what space does it fill? 410 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Because you mentioned weight, you know, the Peg Premium is 411 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,520 about two oz. It's like 2 oz heavier than the 412 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,840 Pegasus. So you know, you have a very 413 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,640 heavy shoe, one of the heaviest that's out there right now, to 414 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,840 be honest, because usually these shoes that have a lot higher 415 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,760 stack have some sort of foam that makes them lighter. 416 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,880 Whereas you know, this one's at like 45 millimeters in the heel 417 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,680 and 35 in the four foot. The Peg Premium is and so you, 418 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,200 you look at other shoes in that category, we just talked about 419 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,960 some, you know, they're usually an ounce or two lighter than 420 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760 even than that is. So I think it's really 421 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,280 fascinating. Were you going to say something, 422 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,440 David? No, no. 423 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,760 Matt, Matt, or Matt? I, I was going to say like I the 424 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,120 bounce is starting to offset some of that weight. 425 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,360 It's definitely not something that I would want to run super 426 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,320 fast and I think up tempo stuff is kind of the limit, but yeah, 427 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,920 I would agree. So it's it's not doesn't feel as 428 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,640 heavy on foot as maybe it is, but it's still not a light shoe. 429 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,080 But I you know, I can give them the premium comment in terms of 430 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,480 like full length air zoom unit zoom XI was wondering for a 431 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,320 second if they should have replaced the because the bottom 432 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,320 layers react. I was almost I was like, right, 433 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,680 like why wouldn't you guys do a bottom layer of zoom X? 434 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,520 Then they put it on and went, Oh yeah, this would have been like, 435 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,680 especially with that would have been it would have. 436 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,720 Been tough. Yeah, they probably did it on 437 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,400 the project. And I think that's probably part 438 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,400 of the reason they didn't try to fill in the midfoot either 439 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,960 because of the weight they they were like, we got to shave as 440 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,000 much as we can. I totally get it, they just 441 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 couldn't. Keep it there. 442 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,920 Or maybe the design wasn't like, I mean, we we weren't in the 443 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,120 rooms when this shoe is developed and who knows how 444 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,960 seriously they wanted it to be like a true trainer, you know, 445 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,160 like a really solid shoe. I don't know. 446 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,360 I'm trying to figure out how much I can share. 447 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,200 Not that I've worked directly with Nike, so don't get in 448 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,000 trouble, but I think it is meant as a real running shoe. 449 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,360 What market? That's where we're going to 450 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,680 Start learning about. But they're this is not the only 451 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,480 shoe they're doing this with. So I think it I think it's meant 452 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960 truly is real running shoe. I will say though, it does look 453 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,680 awesome. Like this shoe is sexy that I 454 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,320 mean. That was super nice. 455 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,840 I honestly think I will like it when I start running in it. 456 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,160 There's a pretty clean shot of Rye Benjamin full stride on the 457 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,360 track. I'm like, Dang, I want to be 458 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:30,760 like rye. So then it's. 459 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Like, I got 40 shout out Rye. Yeah, I've got 40 miles on it, 460 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,360 so you know, I'm going to keep hitting it. 461 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,160 So I think it's a real running shoe for sure. 462 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,280 All right. So we're going to now take the 463 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,400 Pegasus Premium and it's going to be a this or that between the 464 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,120 Pegasus Premium and another shoe. 465 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:51,520 We've been testing recently with a similar stack height of the 466 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,680 ASICS Nimbus 27. So the stack height difference 467 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,440 is 1 1/2 millimeters between the two and they definitely feel 468 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960 very different. But what do you pick this or 469 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,120 that between the two? Matt, why don't we just start 470 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,360 with you, David and I will color commentary on this. 471 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,320 Yeah, I I'm also very biased because I am absolutely loving 472 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,160 the nimbus. I have 100 something miles on 473 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,560 this and you do 100 mile video review that I've been slacking 474 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,760 on this. I don't know if a lot of people 475 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560 are going to agree with me on this because the new Nimbus is I 476 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,120 mean, it's slightly soft when you walk in it, but it's firmer 477 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,120 when you run in it, which I like. 478 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,720 And I found this shoe very stable, a little bit snappy, 479 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,360 snappier than its weight and I've it's durable. 480 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,360 It's not a not a shoe for faster runs, but just a lot of the 481 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,440 mechanics of this shoe work really, really well for me. 482 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,880 So for me, in terms of runnable, it's a little bit wider fit that 483 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040 does take some time to break in. I think, yeah, the Nimbus is 484 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,360 going to take the win for me, but that's also because it's a 485 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,960 refined shoe after 27 version. So give I think the Pegasus 486 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,720 Premium some time to work out some of that stuff. 487 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,160 We might see that. But right now, dude, this, this 488 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,520 is like my one of my trainers of the year, if not the trainer of 489 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,040 the year, right? Now for me, that's great. 490 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,440 To be fair, we're all in. February. 491 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,120 Yeah, yeah, it's hot. All of our preseason favorites 492 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,800 here. I've rented 1 shoe this year. 493 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,400 It's definitely my favorite. Just kidding. 494 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,120 Been more than. That I will say the Nimbus does 495 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,520 feel a little bit firmer in this 1 and in the past couple years 496 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,960 I've actually kind of struggled with some of the Nimbus models 497 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,160 because of how soft they've been, where like my foot will 498 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,440 kind of start hurting a little bit like the intrinsic foot 499 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,400 muscles. It just, however I land, I just 500 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720 don't agree with the platforms quite as well. 501 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,600 And I didn't get that nearly as much with the newest Nimbus. 502 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,880 I think this is probably like, yeah, in the last maybe 4 Nimbus 503 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,080 models here, this is probably my favorite Nimbus. 504 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,360 With that said though, I think kind of alluding to what we were 505 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,280 saying earlier, I'd like a touch more responsiveness. 506 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,800 And I think having that little bit of Zoom X in there my 507 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,160 actually sway me when I start to run the premium. 508 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,080 But again, I haven't run in it. So I can't really give you a 509 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,680 hard answer on one way or another here yet, but I have a 510 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,120 feeling I'm going to like it. Like the little tiny bits of 511 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,680 quick dynamic motions I've done, like in the clinic demonstrating 512 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,080 something for someone or something, you know, or doing 513 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,040 like a little jump or a little jog or something. 514 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,320 Like the little bits I have done. 515 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,600 I think I am going to like it. But yeah, I. 516 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,200 It's got that firmer bounce, which is not like and that 517 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,200 bounces gets more substantial. And more wearing firm bounce. 518 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,520 I I feel like there's a big price difference even between 519 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,680 these two shoes. It's like a $50 difference 520 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:33,560 between the Nimbus 27 and because I think it's one 65165. 521 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Yeah. And I think that if we look at 522 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,760 even within the ASICS line, the shoe that is most comparably 523 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,520 priced is actually the Super Blast. 524 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,600 And so if you're going to say Super Blast versus yeah, so you 525 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,680 know, so is it Super Blast or? Nimbus. 526 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,920 The no not even the Nimbus Super Blast or the Peg Premium Oh. 527 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,760 No, that's what I meant. Like, yeah, yeah. 528 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,440 Yeah, yeah. Are you asking that question 529 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,760 right now? Yeah, sorry, off script, off 530 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,080 script this or that. Yeah, I don't feel like those 531 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,840 are comparable enough. Just I think the. 532 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,520 Price is the price is comparable. 533 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560 You got $210.00, what do you spend it on? 534 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,200 Yeah, but the weight and the function is totally different 535 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,640 and I think partial. I mean, if if if you kept the 536 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,720 Peg Premium exactly as it is and it was 2 oz lighter, this would 537 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,040 be a very different although it's actually like 3 oz. 538 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,120 It's like 3 oz heavier than the. PEG Premium drips pretty hard. 539 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000 It does drip pretty hard I I get it. 540 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760 Are is this a are you, are you really debating in your mind 541 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280 which one you would pick or no? Or are you saying like this is 542 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,560 clearly? Who, Yeah, me or no? 543 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,000 You never said which one you'd pick. 544 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,480 It would be super blast. Too. 545 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,160 I don't know man, get back to me in 2 weeks. 546 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,400 Yeah, we'll talk to you stable. Yeah, I just, I feel like. 547 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,120 I do have. I feel like the Super Blast too 548 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,440 would be hard to beat at its price point and durability and 549 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,120 everything. Durability. 550 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,800 Yeah, all of it. This stability, yeah, it's 551 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080 versatility, yeah. Yeah, we'll find out. 552 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,760 Yeah. I think I will give the peg 553 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,880 premium credit in that like I think as they refine this shoe, 554 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520 I think there is some major potential here. 555 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320 I'm just, we'll just have to see how this how this kind of goes. 556 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,520 It's a unique, unique, yeah, offering for sure. 557 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,200 All right, so our next one is between the new Mizuno Neo Vista 558 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,520 and the New Balance SC Trainer version 3. 559 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,360 So just to give a a few specs on these two, the price points are 560 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640 both at they should be both at 180. 561 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,880 Yep, 180 for for both models. Basically the Neo Vista comes in 562 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:51,280 at 9.4 oz, 266 grams in men's size 9 or 7.8 and 221 grams in 563 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,240 women's size 8. And then if we jump over to the 564 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,920 SC Trainer, we've got 9.2 oz or 261 grams in a men's size 9 and 565 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,600 a half, 7.3 oz, 209 grams in women's size, 7 stack height, 566 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,800 40mm in the heel, 34 on the four foot of the SC Trainer and 44 567 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,360 1/2 millimeters, 36 1/2 in the forefoot in the Neo Vista. 568 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,040 So a lot of similarities they're floating in that, you know, 40 569 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,520 to 45 millimeter heel realm. They are both slightly similar 570 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120 in weight. The Fuel Cell SC trainer's a bit 571 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,760 lighter, but kind of kind of both in that Super trainer 572 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,440 realm. So which one do you pick between 573 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,640 those two? Yeah. 574 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,720 And to be clear, it's Vista versus SC trainer. 575 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,480 Yes, I thought I heard you say Zen. 576 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,560 A little bit. I meant to say Vista if I 577 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160 didn't. Yeah, I'm going to go SC Trainer 578 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,640 3. I feel like the upper 579 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,520 construction of the Neo Vista, my foot just moved around just a 580 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,360 little more than I would have liked it to. 581 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,120 It's the same thing that I had with the Neo Zen where it's like 582 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920 I could see myself really liking the shoe, but there's just a 583 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,600 couple of small things that are taking away from that where I 584 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,640 felt like the upper fit of the SC trainer 3 was much nicer on 585 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,480 my foot. I felt like the fuel cell 586 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,560 ironically, as soft as fuel cell is, this is one of the firmer 587 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,000 iterations of fuel cell and I think one of the better 588 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,240 integrations of the rocker because I've that's another shoe 589 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,680 that like like the nimbus. I kind of struggled with the 590 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,000 previous SC trainers and like this one I actually liked. 591 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,880 I think I got it up to probably 80 or 90 miles, which is a lot 592 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,360 for me. I mean, with how many shoes 593 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,240 we're testing. So I I got to go SC trainer on 594 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,240 that one. Matt, what do you think I. 595 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440 Just remember the comment about durability and the SC trainer 596 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,440 actually did very well. I think for me this might have 597 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,920 been a teeny bit different if the fit, if I'd gotten maybe 1/2 598 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,840 size up in the SC trainer, that might have changed a little bit. 599 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560 And I totally agree with David about the fitting stuff with the 600 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,080 Vista was just a little bit off. Put me in that midsole of the 601 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,520 Vista was so bouncy and I was able to do so much in it. 602 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,840 And I normally don't like softer stuff, but I think the ability 603 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,080 to do longer runs and some pretty awesome workouts in the 604 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,680 Vista put it ahead for me. And the SU trainer was just 605 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240 firmer than I was expecting. Not that's a bad thing. 606 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,920 It was great. Stable, neutral, super trainer. 607 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,880 Yeah, firm. I didn't feel like it was that 608 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,560 bouncy though. I just felt like it was more 609 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920 firm than I was expecting for the amount of SC. 610 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,000 And so that actually for the SC trainer. 611 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,480 So that actually worked surprisingly well in different 612 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680 ways, but I just think I need a size large, 1/2 size larger. 613 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440 So I got to give the nod to the Vista on this one with that 614 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600 bouncy foam. That is, yes, Eva, that I was 615 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,360 totally wrong about. Again, As for talking, everybody 616 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 found that out. But yeah, I would choose Vista 617 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440 because of that. I think that Mizuno chose for a 618 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,960 lot of their new models in this Neo world to go with that booty 619 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440 construction upper. And inherently with a booty 620 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,440 construction, you're going to either work with it or you're 621 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,040 not. And there isn't a lot of 622 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,720 versatility in how you can get it to lace down because the 623 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,520 tongue can't slide across the upper. 624 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,360 So that's just inherent in the design that that's going to 625 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,640 potentially either be awesome or not as awesome. 626 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,800 Like for me, Neo Vista upper is great. 627 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,720 Neo Zen is a little bit more loose, not so bad, but there's 628 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,800 enough that I can move a little bit in there. 629 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,040 And there's not much you can do about it with a booty 630 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,520 construction upper, I think. Interestingly, I think that from 631 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,240 a bounce and softness of the foam plus the rocker profile, 632 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,960 the Neo Vista is most similar to the original SC trainer where 633 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,600 they they they I think they feel feel pretty similar if it was 634 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,040 lighter the. First time it was pretty heavy, 635 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,760 it was about 11 and. 1/2 but just from like the bounce 636 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,320 perspective and the rocker profile, they ran similarly in 637 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,240 that way, but the versatility of the Nio Vistas is much higher. 638 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,520 These are two that I actually have gotten some running in, so 639 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,600 I'm going to chime in here. And I would also pick the SC 640 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,840 Trainer version 3. I agree with David on the idea 641 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,400 of it being a firmer bounce and it just felt really controlled 642 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 and smooth. I think that that's softer, more 643 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,240 noticeable rocker. I like it. 644 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,400 It's fun, but I don't usually get into rhythm. 645 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,600 And I think that that's kind of the difference for me. 646 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,480 I, I could get more miles in it for sure. 647 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,440 And I look forward to doing that especially I think they're 648 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,760 updating that model and it's close. 649 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,400 I, I really liked them both. I think that it's it's a close 650 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,760 call, but I think that they're they're definitely different. 651 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640 Like they're which is nice. Like these are two shoes that I 652 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,400 think perform at a similar level, but it performed 653 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,840 differently depending on if you want that like rocker, super 654 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,520 bouncy soft, or if you want more controlled rocker, a little bit 655 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,040 firmer bounce, you'd go with the SC trainer. 656 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,680 OK, let's move to our next one. We're going into our, I think 657 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,800 first and only racing shoe conversation, and that is the 658 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,080 Nike Alpha Fly Three or the Adidas Audios Pro 4. 659 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,560 Thinking about this the whole time, the pain in your eyes, 660 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,280 isn't it funny? We're talking about running 661 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,199 shoes and we're like, oh gosh, don't do this to me. 662 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,719 I don't like this question and you keep asking questions. 663 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,600 I don't like Nate. Yeah. 664 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,800 David goes first. David goes first. 665 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,000 OK. Let's just tell everybody the 666 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,440 irony of the irony of this is that a lot of these questions 667 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,760 were your ideas, and you're the one who put them in. 668 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,120 I'm just the one saying it. That that is true. 669 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,159 We were he was like make some hard ones and I basically just 670 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,840 like spit bold. I don't know, like 10 and we 671 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,760 probably kept maybe 6. I don't know but like. 672 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,560 What do you think though? Yeah man, OK, this might be an 673 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,480 unpopular opinion, but Adidas Audios Pro 4, now that the 674 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,159 Audios Pro 4 was like almost a racing shoe of the year for me 675 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:59,160 last year, I just like that Edge Paris like a lot. 676 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,840 Like to overstep the Edge Paris would have been very, very hard 677 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,920 from ASIC, so kudos to them. But the Audios Pro 4 is pretty 678 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,200 darn good and it's lighter, I think was one of the the big 679 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,200 things for me. The tractions better, the 680 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:21,240 stability is for me better. I can acknowledge remember the 681 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,600 audios pro 3 my foot like however the upper was and the 682 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,920 way the sulfon was. I really was so so excited for 683 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,280 it and it was one of the most heartbroken I've ever been. 684 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,600 When you put on a shoe and it doesn't work for you. 685 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,080 Heartbreaking. It was, it genuinely was because 686 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,440 I couldn't finish the workout. I remember that where I had to 687 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,920 take it off. And anyways, Audios Pro 4 is 688 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,960 better. It locks down, I think better 689 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520 around the mid foot and the heel for me, it just cinches down my 690 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,280 foot's on the like on the platform and I can feel how I'm 691 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,120 moving on the shoe really well. The audios, not the audios. 692 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,240 The alpha fly 3 little bit more spacious, you know, more 693 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,320 accommodating for the foot swelling or wider feet if you 694 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,000 have issues for that. This is definitely more of a 695 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,560 streamlined fit, being the Audios Pro 4I mean, if I just 696 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,280 hold it up, you can kind of see that like healing midfoot's 697 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,280 pretty dialed in there. And then it widens out a little 698 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,160 bit for the forefoot. But again, it's more of a normal 699 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,040 fit. It's not like this isn't a very 700 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,480 spacious shoe. What's that? 701 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040 You do have 1/2 size. Size No, no, this is this is 702 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,240 size 9 1/2, isn't it? Or is this oh, snap, you're 703 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,440 right. It's a size you're right. 704 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,360 I'm wearing yours. I. 705 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,720 Just forgot. You're right. 706 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,440 How did I forget that? It's OK, we forget so Adidas 707 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,840 sometimes will send stuff to us and like I'll get an original 1 708 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,240 with. That especially in consideration 709 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,200 then yeah, I'm so sorry. I can't believe I forgot that. 710 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,160 It's OK. You're right. 711 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,480 This is a size 10 and I wear 9.5 usually and it fits me like a 712 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,200 glove in size 10 so I'm a half size up. 713 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,280 Shout out go 1/2 size up in that shoe. 714 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,080 If you want, Yeah, yeah, it's. A great shoe but go 1/2 size up. 715 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520 It's very dialed in. The traction is very good. 716 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,560 I feel like I'm able to kind of grip and really use the shoe the 717 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,760 way I want to. And I tend to like some of those 718 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360 sharper toe spring shoes, kind of like the Endorphin Elite of 719 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,440 the past. And this is one of the shoes 720 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,000 where I felt like it kind of matches up to what the Endorphin 721 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,280 Elite one was, where it was kind of this like slightly firmer, 722 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,280 bouncy, but still very, but still very highly cushioned 723 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,240 shoe, right, that you could just take forever. 724 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440 Like I almost want to just make this my long run shoe if I'm not 725 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,880 going to race in it. Like I I really like the audios 726 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,960 pro 4 and not that I don't like the alpha fly 3. 727 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,000 The alpha fly 3 is really good. Great 4 foot traction, 728 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,200 responsive ride a little bit wider base on it, like a lot of 729 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,920 the stuff you'd want to check. It does check. 730 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,920 I just think the way my mechanics are and the way this 731 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,080 shoe is, it just, it makes me feel a little bit more nimble, I 732 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,120 think is what I like about it. But it doesn't sacrifice the 733 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,160 rocker profile in the forefoot. So if I kind of get, for lack of 734 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,920 a better word, a little bit lazy or like I'm just getting, I'm 735 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,800 falling in rhythm with the shoe and my cadence and my stride and 736 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,520 some of these super shoes make you kind of feel like you're 737 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,840 constantly rolling forward. I feel like I can kind of just 738 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,040 lean into it and fall into it in the Audios Pro 4A little bit 739 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,720 nicer and still have that kind of lightweight, nimble, grippy 740 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,280 feeling. So I'm an Audios Pro 4 boy on 741 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,280 that one, but they're both really freaking good. 742 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,400 Great. Matt, what's your pick? 743 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,200 Man, I still haven't decided. So let me let me walk through 744 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,200 this a little bit. The the Alphafly 3 is in my 745 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:38,160 opinion, ace. The outfly 3 is is the slightly 746 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,800 is the slightly faster shoe for me. 747 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,280 I also like that for me it's just it's not that it is. 748 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,600 It's a stable shoe, but the geometry is just a little bit 749 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,160 wider, which works a little better for me. 750 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,600 The audios pro 4 though, if I think if I had a size a 10 1/2, 751 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,680 I might have a little different opinion. 752 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,560 But I also will say Adidas did a phenomenal job of bringing that 753 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,040 shoe up from I felt version 3 was great, but it was more, this 754 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,120 is not meant to be rude, but it's like it was more 755 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,520 recreational. It wasn't as fast as the audios 756 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,880 Pro 4 is like it was. The three was stable and I think 757 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,840 it was a great option for a lot of new for a lot of newer 758 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,920 runners or people trying to get into super shoes. 759 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,160 I did tons of long runs in that shoe. 760 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,560 The audios Pro 4 got way more aggressive, way more bouncy, way 761 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,000 faster, way softer and more narrow and that you know they 762 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,640 dropped a ton of weight off that shoe and despite making it 763 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,920 lighter, the durability is phenomenal. 764 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,320 I have over 100 miles on my audios before despite it fitting 765 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,720 half size short and giving me I think a permanently black 766 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,480 toenail. The things we can we see for 767 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,480 dogs running. I'm kidding, considering. 768 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,000 Can I pull? My foot mobility check. 769 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,600 I don't know if it was, it was the the Glycerin Max or that 770 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,000 shoe that did that to me, but both of which I've I've really 771 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,840 enjoyed. But that durability is so good. 772 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,240 And that's somewhere that I'm a little bit frustrated with the 773 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:10,120 Alpha fly 3, the heel that I just the yeah, I it's super 774 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,160 bouncy. It's super fast. 775 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,720 I haven't used it as much because I would save it for even 776 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,480 the optimal race. And because I the IT at 20 777 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,960 miles, the heel rubber was already coming off and I'm like, 778 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,280 I'm going to RIP and destroy this shoe. 779 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,760 So if ever want to use it for race. 780 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,400 I it I can't keep using this so. Dude, thanks for calling me out 781 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,160 on the audios Pro 4. No, no, no, that's a genuine 782 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:31,760 it's. Helpful. 783 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,840 I I completely forgot. I don't know how I forgot but 784 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,400 yeah like it's OK that I genuinely was like supporting as 785 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640 if it was a 9.5 when it was indeed A10. 786 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400 For for those who don't know, I sent David a lot of stuff. 787 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,240 If there's ever, for whatever reason, a company sends me an 788 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,400 extra pair, I'm like, I, we've got to get this to David again 789 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,040 and. Sometimes they heal is somewhere 790 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,680 remotely intact. I and I have had to repair shoes 791 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,720 and said to David going Oh my gosh, David I'm so sorry. 792 00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,680 He's like alright and then he goes takes it on trail the next 793 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,720 day. I'm like pair work for nothing. 794 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,120 So I'm. Going to go despite because of 795 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,400 its purpose and the speed component I am going to and 796 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,440 because it's just a teeny bit more stable for me. 797 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,720 I'm going to go with the Alphafly 3 even though I very 798 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,680 much appreciate the audios pro 4 and that might try change if I 799 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,040 try 1/2 size up but for right now they're very close. 800 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,720 But alpha light nudge is just a. Little I will say too, I think 801 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,440 the Zoom X in the Alpha Flight 3 does feel a tad bit more 802 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,800 responsive too. Like how you're saying like that 803 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,560 like kind of faster shoe? It throws you forward. 804 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,720 It's yeah, the Alphafly is so aggressive it slightly scares 805 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,080 me, so I got to give it that credit. 806 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,560 All right, our next one is between the two ASICS shoes, the 807 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,000 ASICS Super Blast 2 and the ASICS Noa Blast 5. 808 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,400 So I'm going to, I'll talk about these because I've, I've tested 809 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,400 both of these and I think for myself as a recreational runner, 810 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,640 non like highly competitive, if I was looking to buy a shoe, I 811 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,080 would just buy the Nova blast five. 812 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,120 I think that it's a really well performing shoe and it can do a 813 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640 lot like it really can do workouts for a lot of folks. 814 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,000 You know, I, my, my half marathon PR is around an hour 815 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,360 and a half and I could do everything that I would need for 816 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,560 half marathon training in the Nova Blast 5 from my easy runs 817 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,640 to any workout that I would need to do. 818 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,200 It just has that much versatility to it. 819 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,840 It's got a good amount of cushion. 820 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,640 It's not for me. It's on the firmer end of the 821 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,320 cushioning spectrum after they've done a nice job like 822 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400 widening out the platform after like the first two versions. 823 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,720 They've really dialed that in a little bit better. 824 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160 So I think it's a great shoe. I also love running in the Nova 825 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,240 blast. But if I can spend, what is the 826 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,920 Nova Blast? Nova Blast $540 versus 200, Like 827 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,040 I think I'm going to get just as much out of the Nova Blast as I 828 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,520 personally would out of the Super Blast. 829 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,320 If I'm not training for, you know, marathon might change my 830 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,880 mind a little bit. Definitely if I was doing ultra 831 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,880 distances and like tons of high mileage stuff, that's where my 832 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,240 mind might change. But that's not me. 833 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,760 So I'm going Nova Blast for sure. 834 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,480 I don't know. I think with all the same 835 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,000 considerations, I still go Super Blast too. 836 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,600 And my main reason for that being is if it's like your 837 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,080 everything shoe, the foam can be worth it when you go to race 838 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,720 day. And so whether that's marathon 839 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:30,400 or half marathon or even like in your camp, like of those paces 840 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,360 like 10 K 5K, that could totally still be a shoe that you race at 841 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,960 those distances. I should say in my as I was 842 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200 talking about it, I'm assuming I would have bought a racing shoe 843 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,200 as well. So I would have had yes, just 844 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,720 training. I don't know if that changes 845 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,320 anything. If it's just training, probably 846 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880 Nova Blast. But if if we're looking for that 847 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,800 versatility that you can pull that shoe out and it's your old 848 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,640 reliable and you've done your easy runs, you've done your long 849 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,200 runs, you've done your workouts and you want to know what you're 850 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,400 going to be using and feel good about it and know that she's 851 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,200 going to hold you up. I mean, I could tackle a 852 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,440 marathon easily or an ultra or anything really. 853 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,000 So I think I'm going to go Super Blast 2 on that one. 854 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,280 Not a knock on the Nova Blast five. 855 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,360 I think especially at the price point, it is an amazing shoe. 856 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,760 But if I'm choosing between the two and I'm spending my own 857 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,560 money and I'm like, well, this is like this is my shoe. 858 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,920 Like, I'm going to go super blast you, Matt. 859 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,040 What about you? What do you think I'm? 860 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,200 Going to say that's a good firm bounce. 861 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,720 It doesn't refer. No, not that. 862 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:35,600 What do you think? Which one do you think I'm going 863 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,360 to? Pick, I think from a durability 864 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,360 standpoint and versatility and how much mileage you put in, I 865 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,200 would guess you're going to pick the Super Blast. 866 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,840 So I'm actually going to flip and choose the Nova Blast for 867 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,320 some surprising reasons. I really appreciate that shoe. 868 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,920 I think the Super blast two yes, does have some incredible 869 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,720 versatility. It's stable neutral, but I'm 870 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,080 getting better durability out of the Nova blast and if we're 871 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,880 talking about I want this like pure training shoe. 872 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,600 I think the Nova blast 5 is better because a it's 140 bucks, 873 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,120 which is phenomenal. It does as I got over 100 miles. 874 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,040 It took a while for the Nova blast foam to like break in. 875 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,400 So now instead of be kind of being that like softer, like not 876 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,080 bouncy is the right. It is bouncy, but not in like a 877 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,040 overly bouncy. Now that it's firmed up just a 878 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,440 teeny bit with some miles, it's gotten a teeny bit more snappy, 879 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,720 which I appreciate. Not I could not do workouts in 880 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,000 it the way I can do it super blast. 881 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960 But the fit is better in the Nova blast. 882 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,280 It's just way more comfortable. It's still it's not totally 883 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,080 stable neutral, but it's also almost there. 884 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,680 But the durability is phenomenal. 885 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,240 I didn't even make a dent in the outsole, whereas the Super blast 886 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,880 2 I don't think made as big a changes as I wanted. 887 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,960 It's still that's one of the top on the the market, but that toe 888 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,560 box is still a little bit tapered. 889 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,040 I was expecting it to get lighter and at 200 bucks, I I, I 890 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,400 don't know, I figured I thought it was going to be a little 891 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,840 smoother. So it's a great shoe. 892 00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,520 There's just enough things going yeah. 893 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,160 At this $200 price point, if I was going to have to choose like 894 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,160 a super blast versus getting the little blast in a racing shoe, 895 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,600 I'd rather do the second option. So I'm going to choose a noble 896 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200 blast because it's the Super blast great. 897 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,000 But Nova Blast I think is the more appropriate shoe for a lot 898 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400 of people, especially for it's like that training purpose. 899 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,520 But as David mentioned, if I wanted a do it all shoe, the 900 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,280 Super Blast wins hand down. But for that training purpose, 901 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,680 for the fit, the smoothness, the durability, Nova Blast is doing 902 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,520 phenomenal. So I got to be, I got to give it 903 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,560 to that. Not that I don't like Super 904 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,760 Blast, but they did a good job with the Nova Blast 5. 905 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,840 All right, we got two more. The first one is between going 906 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:44,160 back to some training shoes. Both of these are not as popular 907 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,800 probably on the market as we had for like the Ride 18 and the 880 908 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,280 and they're not seen as often. But I think they're both high 909 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,960 performing shoes in the last year and that's between the 910 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,000 Mizuno Neo Zen and the 361 Elios. 911 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,800 I'm really let down that it wasn't a car. 912 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,680 Who or a diadora? Sorry, I or an Ant. 913 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,440 GT 256732. Z2O2GT5. 914 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,840 Gosh. For the listeners who don't 915 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,080 know, we are now we make fun of these companies names because 916 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,440 it's like so much to keep. Make fun of as a strong word. 917 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,920 I think is have fun with like I think that. 918 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,440 If I have fun with. I never called it the C3 PFI. 919 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,880 OK. That was me. 920 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,920 That was me. I was, I was proud of that one. 921 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,840 But we're going to let's go back. 922 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,920 I'm going to reels back in and I guess I'll talk first. 923 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,800 I was going to let someone else speak first, but nobody's 924 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,280 talking about it. And this was actually pretty 925 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,000 hard for me because my favorite, one of my favorite shoes to 926 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,760 train in last year was the Elios. 927 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,920 And I really loved how soft it was, which is weird for me 928 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,520 because usually I don't like softer trainers. 929 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,400 But it was great for easy runs. It had a some bounce to it had 4 930 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,920 foot flexibility. It came in like $145.00. 931 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,560 It was super nice. And it was a very different 932 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,120 experience from 361. I think in the same way these 933 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,880 new Neo shoes from Mizuno have been a new experience for the 934 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,360 company and kind of a turning of a new leaf. 935 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,880 And I have a lot more miles to put in the Neo Zen. 936 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,720 I have my testing miles, but not much beyond that, whereas I got 937 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:28,440 more in the in the Elios. But I think because the Zen is a 938 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,560 little bit lighter and could handle some speed a little bit 939 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,400 more, I lean that way if if there if one thing isn't a 940 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,240 factor that I'll come back to. So I just I like the versatility 941 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,080 of the Zen. I think they both have a similar 942 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,880 midsole feeling where they're softer, kind of mushier in a in 943 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,120 some ways, but not mushy to the point where they feel too 944 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,040 unstable under foot. They kind of firm up as you put 945 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,080 some stuff into it, but they have little bit. 946 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,000 There's a little less flexibility in the Neo Zen, 947 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,400 which was kind of nice for again, picking up the pace a 948 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,160 little bit. So I think I had leaned Neo Zen 949 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,360 slightly, partially because the the booty construction wasn't 950 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,360 too off for me. I said it has I could have a 951 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,720 little bit of wiggle, but for what I'm what I've been doing 952 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,640 for running, it didn't throw me off. 953 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,080 However, it is winter here in Wisconsin and the neo Zen upper 954 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,600 is so thin that like it's hard to use it for the for winter 955 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,200 because it's just too cold. So I'd actually. 956 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,440 I didn't like know that it got cold there. 957 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,880 Yeah, you haven't heard of that, huh? 958 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,560 Cute conversation about what? Who was it that commented on one 959 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,480 of the videos about like, oh, Southern California doesn't know 960 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,160 what cold was? That's back when I was living 961 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,520 there. Like David, I think you and I 962 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,000 got slightly affected. I think I've we, I've said this. 963 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,920 Sometimes you send in like the Oregon weather though is like 964 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,320 the same as here. 100 yeah, it's. 965 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,080 I think. Yeah. 966 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,160 Cold, cold, quote UN quote cold. And what it feels cold is very 967 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,800 relative to a point. And then there's like dangerous 968 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,120 cold, which we get. Like. 969 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,520 We had, we had. The day was negative. 970 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,240 Bro, it's yeah. It was -22 before wind chill 971 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,720 like last week. So it was it was very cold. 972 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,560 And those, that's a different category of cold. 973 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,520 But yeah, the upper is just too thin. 974 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,040 So the Elios upper is a little bit thicker and I can do a lot 975 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,800 better with that and like some wool socks. 976 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,600 But that that would be a very real decision. 977 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,320 If I had to purchase shoes going towards the winter season of 978 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,160 running I would go Elios over it because of the upper and being 979 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,360 thicker if I didn't want to get like a specialty GTX shoe. 980 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,280 But what do y'all think? Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get too 981 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,120 cold here, so I'm gonna go Neo Zen. 982 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,760 Hot take 28° and Oregon feels warmer than 40° in Southern 983 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,440 California. I will give you that. 984 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,400 Well, for us, we get the humidity. 985 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,760 So if it drops to like close to freezing, like if it's like, 986 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,760 because we had a day that was like 36 a week ago, but like, 987 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,280 for us, like it, it gives you that little like chill in your 988 00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,400 bone. You know, it's like when you 989 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,720 have that fog and then it just like sits low. 990 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,720 Like it's, it's weird. It's, it's like when I was cold 991 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,320 in San Francisco, like when I used to go to school in the Bay 992 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,880 and it was just like, it was just different. 993 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,760 I don't know. Yeah. 994 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,240 Obviously it's 10 degrees, I understand that. 995 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,200 We we just had the driest, I think the driest January in 996 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,400 history here where it's been very dry, cold, but not nearly 997 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,920 as it doesn't feel that anyway. So I'm going to go the other way 998 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,640 and choose a 361 elos. I don't even know if I 999 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,440 pronounced that correctly. I've been super. 1000 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,400 I don't know if I'm either that's okay, but I think it's 1001 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,760 Elios of it. Yeah, Elios, Elios. 1002 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,680 I. Don't know Elios 361 is going to 1003 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,760 take the win for me just because I appreciate the Neo Zen and 1004 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,320 Mizuno like this new leaf is really cool to see after being 1005 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,880 you know, because this is not a bad thing, but there wasn't a 1006 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,280 lot of change to see this totally new range is really cool 1007 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,760 and I think people are really loving this stuff. 1008 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,840 But 361 that these new foams, I think they need some new some 1009 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,040 more credit because they have done a really good job. 1010 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,760 They're great. The and this is off topic, but 1011 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,920 the 361 Miro nude is just is a phenomenal racing shoe, even 1012 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,880 though obviously it doesn't last for me, but that's me. 1013 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,400 So the alias is also a little bit has a little more sulfide, 1014 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,640 which for me with the bouncy foam makes it just a teeny bit 1015 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,480 more stable than the Zen and the upper lockdowns a little better. 1016 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,240 So I got to give the the nod to 361 on this one and I still want 1017 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,520 to try their so I got a couple of super racing. 1018 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,920 Shoes. I will say too, to elaborate on 1019 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,480 my answer. It's not just the cold, the sole 1020 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,840 flaring actually was a little bit much for me on the Elios. 1021 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,160 Like it was almost a little too much to where like I was kind of 1022 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,600 adjusting my foot a little bit and I would kind of get this 1023 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,160 little pressure on the front of my knee. 1024 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,440 And then that rocker is really early on the front. 1025 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,800 So I just like, I don't know, I just couldn't quite figure the 1026 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,880 shoe out entirely. I can appreciate it though. 1027 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,160 The materials on it were really fun. 1028 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,080 Yeah, like I could see that having a a lot of people really 1029 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,320 like that shoe and these. Shoes are both 150 and down. 1030 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,840 Yeah, yeah. Which is crazy. 1031 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,040 I think they feel, they feel, they feel better than that. 1032 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,600 Yeah, like if they don't raise your proper cleaned up a little 1033 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,200 bit. Oh my gosh, That could be a 1034 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,160 trainer of the year. Yep, like that. 1035 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,040 Yeah. But Neo Zen would be my pick in 1036 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,280 this situation. Great. 1037 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,200 Well, we're going to move on to our last one. 1038 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,560 And it's between 2 performance trainers that are similar. 1039 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,120 They have some form of a plate. They've got a super foam inside 1040 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,480 of them and it is the Sockney Endorphin Speed 4 versus the 1041 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,240 Nike Zoom Fly 6. Gosh darn it. 1042 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,280 Little bit of things about specs on these. 1043 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,440 They both come in at 170 dollars. 1044 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,760 Weight wise there's a .4 oz difference with the Zoom Fly 1045 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,560 being just slightly heavier. The stack heights. 1046 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,680 There's a little bit more stack in the Zoom Fly 6, it's up at 1047 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,280 40mm where the Endorphin Speed 4 is down at 36mm. 1048 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,120 There's the nylon plate in the Endorphin Speed 4. 1049 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,200 I don't know. There's there's a lot of cool 1050 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,000 stuff going on in these shoes and curious to hear which one 1051 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,200 y'all are going to pick. Yeah, you first, you go first. 1052 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,320 So I I really appreciate what Nike did with the Zoom Fly 6. 1053 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,120 I think previous zoom flies, I don't mean to be rude, just 1054 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,480 weren't great. Did I did not feel bad for not 1055 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,840 reviewing them. Dave and I said they weren't it 1056 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,240 at the same time and we're just. OK, got it. 1057 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,960 I'm trying to see if there's like a just do it somewhere. 1058 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,880 In here. So I think it is a much better 1059 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,640 shoe and I think it is doing a great job. 1060 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,360 However, the IT was just too stiff for me, whereas the Speed 1061 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,760 4 was something that felt good almost the second I put it on. 1062 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,480 And I've run well over 100 miles in that shoe. 1063 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:59,120 And I, yeah, I just really like the Speed for, for its 1064 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:04,080 versatility, for it being truly like it just a slightly more 1065 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,680 flexible, basically a slightly more flexible version of the Pro 1066 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,520 that I think is going to work for us A racing for a lot of 1067 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,240 people. The Zoom Flight 6 is very 1068 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,640 similar in that regard. I think it is a phenomenal 1069 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,160 alternative to the Alpha Flight for people that it Alpha flies 1070 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,080 too aggressive. They still want a carbon plated 1071 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,720 shoe with a little bounce to it. But the speed four wins just a 1072 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,120 little bit because it's a little bit more snappy, a little more 1073 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,280 versatile, but it's just a smoother transition to me where 1074 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,440 it took a little while for that Zoom fly to break in. 1075 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,240 That's a tough one for me. I honestly really like both 1076 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,720 shoes. I did a comparison video on the 1077 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,400 YouTube channel as well looking at both of these and kind of 1078 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,280 what my final conclusions were on those. 1079 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,880 So if you want a really in depth thing on that, you can go there. 1080 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:57,120 Shoot man, I think I'm going to go Endorphin Speed 4, but not 1081 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:02,040 for the reason most people probably would think, and I 1082 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,040 think this is one of those situations where the upper 1083 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,120 winds. I think the upper just is a 1084 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,200 little bit nicer. It fits my foot better, it's a 1085 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,720 little bit more plush. It just feels nice and I think 1086 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,160 and it locks down well and so you can do everything you need 1087 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,280 and everything you want. Not that you can't do that with 1088 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,360 the zoom fly 6, but I feel like the tongue and the materials 1089 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,480 around here, it just it just wasn't quite as cozy. 1090 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,400 It feels a little bit more synthetic. 1091 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,600 It I mean it locks the foot down well, but I think it just I 1092 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,800 don't know, you can even just kind of see like it. 1093 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,320 The proportions of it doesn't really it kind of crinkles a 1094 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,600 little bit and it kind of the the formation of it isn't quite 1095 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,560 as smooth. And I feel like the upper of the 1096 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,640 endorphins before is much more adaptable. 1097 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,000 Now, if I'm really getting nitpicky on these shoes, the 1098 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,880 stack heights a little bit lower on the endorphin speed 4, the 1099 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,320 grips a little bit better. I think you can hit the track a 1100 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,240 little bit easier in the Endorphin speed four. 1101 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,560 However, really long efforts, you know, long run marathon 1102 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,000 simulation zoom fly 6 is probably going to win, but the 1103 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,040 endorphin speed 4 can still do it. 1104 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,480 And so I think that's kind of where if I'm really like, if I 1105 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,840 have to pick one, I think I'm going to go with the Endorphins 1106 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,480 beat 4. But you could totally justify 1107 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,280 one or the other depending on what your task or what your goal 1108 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,520 is on either shoe. Why did I write that question? 1109 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,160 Like, that's an awful question to ask somebody that's your 1110 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,440 fault. I don't like this game anymore. 1111 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,960 I'm not playing, you know, Take take your ball and join Luca in 1112 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,400 LA. Oh man. 1113 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,880 Oh man, yeah, that that's a good one. 1114 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,640 Luca RID this or? That Luca RID this or that? 1115 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,400 Matt, you go first. Just kidding. 1116 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,160 Let's not go there. But. 1117 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,200 That's why I made that look look earlier 'cause I really thought 1118 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,640 for the last question you guys wouldn't do. 1119 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,720 So we are. We just didn't. 1120 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,240 Oh. Man, no, we're not doing it, but 1121 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,800 I I will say I'm. Testing out. 1122 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,840 This we're recording this on the day after the Luca Doncic and. 1123 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,360 Anthony Davis. Trade happened. 1124 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,840 So that's that's where that's coming from. 1125 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,320 Most people. I don't think that the crossover 1126 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,440 between NBA fans and shoe geeks is very large. 1127 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,520 If it is, prove us wrong and you can tell us about it down below. 1128 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,000 But thank you all for joining us for another this or that 1129 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,400 episode. We always love doing these 1130 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,080 together and look forward to more episodes where we're going 1131 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,640 to get to have conversations both about shoes but also go 1132 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,160 into the world of rehabilitation. 1133 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,280 If there are certain topics regarding rehab that you want us 1134 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,920 to hit, If there are certain conditions that you just want 1135 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,160 our take on in terms of like overviews of the etiology, where 1136 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,680 it comes from, how you can rehab through, what are your treatment 1137 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,680 options, We'd love to have those episodes. 1138 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,240 They do take us a lot more prep because we want to make sure 1139 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,040 that we are giving you the most up to date and accurate 1140 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,440 information. So let us know below if there's 1141 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,240 a certain condition that either you've dealt with or, you know, 1142 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,440 people who deal with on a regular basis that you want us 1143 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,280 to prioritize in this year. But thanks for joining us, and 1144 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,080 we'll see you all next time.