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Hello, everybody, and welcome to
the Doctors of Running podcast, 

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where we, a group of doctors of 
physical therapy, discuss the 

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art and science of running and 
the stuff that we put on our 

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feet. 
At the round table today is the 

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founder of Doctors of Running, 
Dr. Matthew Klein, as well as 

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Dr. David Salas and myself. 
I'm Nathan Brown. 

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I went and I bought something. 
It was like a week ago now. 

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And it came in and it was one of
those things. 

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I'm like, I'm super pumped that 
I bought this. 

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And it was the High Country 
shorts. 

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Oh, nice. 
You have those, right? 

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I bought them because of you 
because you were talking them 

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up. 
And I was like, I would love to 

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get them. 
Because like High Country from 

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Rabbit is kind of their like 
trail stuff. 

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But also it's like their nicest 
looking stuff from a casual wear

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using at work standpoint or like
going out in a casual way. and 

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so I've obviously we've talked 
about high country tops a lot 

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but David's swooped me and so I 
bought myself a pair of the 

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shorts I got the new updated 
version I have never had the old

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one so I can't compare but the 
new ones are great from both 

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from a pocket standpoint for 
like daily use but just 

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aesthetic like they're awesome 
super good yeah they're just 

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like you could run on them if 
you really wanted to like they I

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did a run in them today yeah 
yeah like you can totally move 

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dynamically in them and they 
look great aesthetically like 

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they're probably one of my 
favorite shorts I mean I'd 

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compare them with like um the 
material is a little different 

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but I like with like a Vuori 
type of short like where you can

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just be active and do things but
still wear it right with regular

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outfits and it looks okay right 
not okay it looks good yeah I 

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also am curious about the bell 
curve of age and what length 

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short you like and I wonder if 
there's something about like in 

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your teens and in your 20s and 
30s or if it depends on your 

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competitive nature because I 
used to be like i love three to 

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five inch but now I'm like I 
like seven inch shorts again 

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like I just like the longer 
stuff again and so I don't know 

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what's what's the interaction is
it an age thing or probably not 

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age it's not I know it I know 
I've actually gone up myself a 

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lot of runners who are older 
you've gone longer yeah I have I

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I mean not long you know but I 
was pretty much exclusively 

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three inch and now i'm five 
pretty much all my preferred 

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fives I mean my shorts drawer is
right here I could pull out a 

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bunch of Fuel N Fly five inch 
shorts right there for you you 

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know when those go on sale 
that's what I get from Rabbit um

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if I'm a five and five and 
bigger Matt you like the short 

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stuff or what yeah give me like 
the split short the three or two

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yeah you like the splits the 
only thing I mean And then like 

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half tights. 
Like I just ordered several more

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of the Lowlight half-tights from
Rabbit because I really love the

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ones that Nathan asked to get us
because they reflect so well. 

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And it's already dark here. 
I'm like, yes. 

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But I also found out they have 
an even shorter split short 

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that's a running warehouse 
exclusive that I just bought 

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just because I want to try that 
because I also like the shorter 

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half tights as well. 
And people don't usually make 

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those. 
I've had ones from Asics that I 

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bought years ago. 
Oh, like five years ago, I like 

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bought like eight of them 
because they were on sale. 

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And I just like now they're, you
know, slowly falling apart and 

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getting more chafing in them. 
So I'm looking for shorter half 

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tights because I just want to 
move. 

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And so, yeah, I am. 
I'm not the long shorts person. 

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How short are we talking? 
Like they could get mistaken for

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Tony's short or like. 
I mean, I'm not going to wear 

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like, you know, I mean, yeah, I 
want those. 

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I love the racing split shorts. 
Yeah. 

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Give me those all day long. 
Give me full range of motion, no

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restriction. 
I do love me some half-tights, 

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though. 
Give me the, yeah, give me the, 

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like, the, like, 70s, 80s, like,
shorts. 

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That's what I'm talking about. 
What about, like, those old On 

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ones we got? 
Same, too. 

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The On split shorts, the racing 
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Those ones are pretty short, 
yeah. 

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Yeah, I had several of those 
that I had personally purchased.

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So, yes, yeah, that's my jam. 
So, you're a short, short guy. 

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David's getting a little bit 
longer. 

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I'm getting even longer than 
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Yeah, seven's too long. 
Maybe it's just what I'm doing, 

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too. 
I feel like at that point, I 

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could just lifestyle it. 
That's what I do. 

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I think that's my point. 
You know what? 

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Maybe I should just go full 
speedo. 

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You know? 
Full range of motion, no 

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restriction. 
That's a path. 

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You probably don't want to go 
down, my friend. 

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You know the thing that Borat 
wore? 

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I should do. 
No, I'm just kidding. 

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I mean... 
No, all right. 

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No, I don't know. 
All right, too far. 

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Well, anyway. 
Yeah, Rabbit does have a couple 

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things. 
I just wanted to bring up the 

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high country because I bought my
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I thought they were great. 
They also do have the low light 

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collection that is extremely 
reflective. 

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Like this is, this isn't like, 
Oh, it has a little strip of 

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reflection. 
This is full three 60 coverage 

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with cool patterns. 
They make it look cool. 

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It's very vibrant and it's 
color, but the reflective nature

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is crazy. 
I tried taking pictures, right? 

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Yeah. 
I tried taking pictures in the 

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dark and Jana used flash and she
was laughing at because like it 

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was so dark that she didn't know
where I was so she had to like 

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guess but then we have these 
older cameras so they're not 

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that good and they let the 
exposure in and stuff with the 

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flash but it just looked like I 
don't know y'all saw me just 

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like just like a movie yeah big 
I was just glowing I was just 

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like one big glow because I have
the hat I put on the hat the the

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shirt and the shorts for it the 
type of thing that if you're 

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grabbing your Christmas lights 
from the attic you don't want to

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see in your attic yeah yeah I 
will say I've actually not worn 

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those at night I've worn them 
during the day and got comments 

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from students and people that we
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because people see my wife and I
running with a stroller at the 

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time they're like I can see you 
and it's like still like it's 

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light it's a little early 
morning but like yeah I you are 

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insanely reflected like what are
you wearing like one of my 

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co-workers at George Fox was 
driving underneath the bridge 

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that we run over and she didn't 
really have she only had like 

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basic lights on and she's like I
could— you look like a like blur

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of light yeah yeah that's the 
new really reflective stuff so 

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if you're looking for that now's
the time to look at what they 

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got going on because it's pretty
great if you are wanting a 

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discount on any Rabbit apparel 
at runinrabbit.com you can use 

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the code D-O-R-S-E-P-T 10, like 
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That will get you 10% off your 
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So today's episode is going to 
be fun. 

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We are going to be taking five 
different shoes and ranking them

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based off of fit, but then 
asking this question like, does 

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best fit, is that going to be 
what is going to be our best 

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shoe or is there something that 
overrides that? 

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But before we get into that, we 
are going to be going into our 

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in for testing segment as we 
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This is where we talk about the 
different shoes or different 

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apparel that we've had in that 
we are getting miles in so what 

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do y'all got that you want to 
talk about? 

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Klein, ready to just go? 
So I'm ready to go so first 

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thing I've got 30 miles on my 
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this has been a company I've 
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I'm sorry um I've been watching 
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really excited with what they're
doing this is the first one that

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they've sent to us I really 
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expected some of the other 
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been the foams were not the most
responsive this one I think does

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better to me it still feels more
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necessarily like a faster like 
lightweight trainer kind of 

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thing but it's been great I love
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in anatomic toe box my achilles 
has done awesome after running 

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in this thing so really really 
really enjoyed it so far as a 

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very unique option and now it's 
on my list um because a lot of 

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the patients that I work with 
like obviously they ask about 

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shoes and frequently it's been 
like uh you know hey i gotta 

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figure out something and I a lot
of people that come in really do

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well if I can get some 
additional mobility and extra 

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space especially in the forefoot
so now I've got something that's

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a higher drop option because 
that really wasn't very common I

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had to make some really weird 
adjustments to get that so glad 

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this is on the list really good 
initial impressions durability 

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is top notch so far so really 
enjoying them for a training 

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shoe not necessarily for faster 
running although I haven't fully

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tried that yet outside of some 
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Yeah, I agree with most of that.
I think what's interesting about

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this shoe too, yeah, it's a high
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something that we just don't 
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And they also have like a 
structured foam where it's like 

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a little bit firmer on the base.
And then you have kind of like a

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little bit more of a poppy aTPU 
on the top, but it's still 

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firmer. 
It's not like a mushy aTPU that 

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you see in some of the other 
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And so it is kind of like a 
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experience. 
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I like it a lot of daily 
training efforts. 

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I feel like this would be a 
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I've done a 10 mile run in it, 
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But just easy to fall into 
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It's a good rocker. 
It's a nice drop on it. 

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I agree with all of those 
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like it a lot more for running 
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walking. 
And a big reason for that, I 

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wore it to work and like my 
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were sore the next day. 
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because you have that high drop 
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rocker right there, you get this
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heels. 
Like you're kind of just getting

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pitched forward a little bit. 
And then you have that little 

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rounding point where you're kind
of just fighting it all day just

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in a microscopic way. 
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and I was like, oh man, my 
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I was like, oof. 
It just kind of ever so slightly

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pitches you forward. 
And for standing and walking, I 

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didn't love it. 
However, I really liked it 

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running. so it's one of those 
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going to be a running exclusive 
for me but um yeah I I did 

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really enjoy my experience so 
far in this and the next time I 

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take it out I'll have to pick up
the pace a little bit more I 

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haven't run like into the fives 
or sixes in this shoe yet so um 

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yeah I will add I have done 
walking run I think my tendon is

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what's making me like it more 
for walking and standing just 

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because it offloads that um I 
did a long run in them this 

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morning pushing the stroller and
this really classic thing for 

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aTPU it stayed consistent the 
whole time again not the 

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bounciest thing but it didn't 
bottom out which it better not 

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bottom out for the amount of 
foam underfoot but yeah it's 

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pretty high too it's like 45 
millimeters of stack and it's 

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just under nine ounces right 
it's like 8.9 I think yeah so 

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pretty light for the stack 
height it makes a lot of sense 

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to me Matt like you've said how 
it helps with your achilles 

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because yeah I just did the 
backpacking trip with our 

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family. 
And so I was carrying like a 60 

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pound pack and we didn't hike. 
I mean, we were hiking with 

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kids. 
We hiked eight miles and we were

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going up and down quite a bit. 
So my patellar tendon on my left

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knee is pretty sore. 
And I put these on and I started

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using them. 
And I'm like, oh yeah, 

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definitely not the time to be 
using this shoe because it, 

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because of the combination of 
the high drop and the rocker, 

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everything's getting shifted 
away from the ankle up to the 

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knee. and so that's just 
something for sure to keep track

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of I do think that the unique 
space that they are filling is 

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the purposeful anatomic fit with
a high drop because the other 

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anatomic fit companies or at 
least the larger ones in the 

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running space are Topo and 
Altra, and Altra until recently 

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has only been zero drop now they
got four and the highest that 

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topo goes is five so they don't 
have a high drop so I do think 

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that's a space that this fits 
that other ones are not fitting 

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I think I agree with all the 
other things you said about foam

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and performance and stuff. 
But for me right now, the high 

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drop combined with that rocker 
is just not my favorite go-to. 

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I also think I want to hear 
y'all's thoughts in terms of 

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stability because they bring in 
the midfoot very narrow. 

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But at the same time, my 
experience was that just because

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it brought narrow didn't really 
change the stability because the

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foam is firmer. 
And there's so much foam there 

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that that transition point was 
like stabilized by all the foam 

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kind of bridging over the top of
that narrow. 

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But Matt, you're the one who 
needs the most structure 

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underneath. 
Did you have any issues from a 

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stability standpoint? 
You know, I was worried about 

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that doing a long run on them 
today. 

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It actually didn't bother me. 
And I think it's because the way

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the shoes set up that that wider
toe box, like I was able to 

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really it felt like I was able 
to really engage my first toe. 

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My right side is the one that 
really pronates quite a bit that

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I really am sensitive to this 
on. 

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It didn't bother me that much. 
It's not the most stable shoe 

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out there. 
So I wouldn't call it. 

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I know, David, you mentioned 
stable neutral. 

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I wouldn't call this fully 
stable neutral, but it's not 

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ironically not unstable. 
So it kind of sits perfectly in 

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that neutral category. 
So, yeah, I think being able to 

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like the wider forefoot engage 
my foot a little more was really

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nice. 
And I think as it's broken in, 

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just that kind of that bottom 
layer seems to provide just a 

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little more structure, but 
definitely not fully stable, but

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not bad. 
Yeah. 

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The only other thing I wish it 
had for my preferences was 

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slightly more padding through 
the tongue. 

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The upper itself is more of like
a performance upper, not 

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stretchy, a little bit more 
rigid and firm. 

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The tongue kind of carries that 
through as well. 

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And I just wish there was just a
touch more padding, but I know 

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that they're also trying to save
as much weight on the top as 

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they can for the purposes of 
being the featherweight. 

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So that was my other thought on 
this one. 

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What else you got, Matt? 
So I also have, this was a 

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really big surprise, the Fila 
Speed Tempo Plus, which I didn't

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know what to expect. this got 
brought out on a workout on 

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saturday and I was running with 
my wife and one of my students 

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who both were wearing uh extreme
super shoes— an Alphafly and the

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Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro 2— and
i'm like I am so screwed why did

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I choose this shoe on the 
warm-up and I'm the one pushing 

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a stroller and it actually did 
extremely well we did a uh kind 

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of like a descending fartlek and
put down like 4:50 mile pace at 

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the end of a workout um in these
so really impressed they are not

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soft it's— I don't remember 
what— Skyfoam— doesn't remember 

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what the material is it's no no 
I don't remember what it is but 

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it's just a little tapered in 
the toe box so it feels a little

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bit like like more racing yes 
but got this really nice 

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forefoot rocker it's just a 
great shoe for moving quick it 

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didn't feel as good running slow
in this but doing workouts and 

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get the name matches so good job
I was I was very very pleasantly

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surprised and the toe box didn't
bother me as much as I was 

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expecting but I wish there was 
just a teeny bit more room there

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but i think part of why that 
probably didn't bother you at 

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least for me too was it's a 
pretty accommodating upper it's 

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like a dual layer upper yeah but
it's that it's one of these like

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it feels like it just disappears
because it's so light and it 

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stretches just enough it's like 
my favorite type of upper save 

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the MagniFly 4 from Topo because
that one doesn't follow this but

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like it's so lightweight it 
disappears it locks down great 

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and it's just so simple I put 
this shoe on and I was just like

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what the heck is this going to 
be my favorite shoe this year 

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not because it's anything fancy 
it's not huge bounce it's not 

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any of that crazy stuff it's 
just so rhythmic it fits into 

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that category of those like 
lightweight simple daily 

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trainers— you like think about 
the Pure, you think about, um, 

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oh my gosh, like the Adi zero 
Evo, whatever— like all of 

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those, SL. 
Thank you. 

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It fits into that category, but 
it's only $130 too like this 

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shoe is one of the cheaper shoes
you're going to find out there 

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on the market but I feel like 
the foam stands up with those 

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other ones I have a video that I
recorded for this but i did a 

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like change shoes in the middle 
of the run experience with the 

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Pure and it's a little bit 
firmer than the pure but it 

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operates more on the rocker so 
you like get more of that 

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rhythmic rocker experience while
still it felt like it felt 

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lighter they weigh the exact 
same my pairs when I weighed 

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them at my house between this 
and the Pure but it felt lighter

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in the Fila. um so first Fila 
shoe I've ever ran in and it's 

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I'm excited to put more miles on
it and like the outsole 

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durability is going to be great 
I'm curious to see how does the 

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Skyfoam hold up over higher 
mileage but I I was super 

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impressed top to bottom on this 
shoe I agree with you Matt if 

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they just like just like a 
centimeter you know just give it

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a little bit but even that it 
didn't bother me at all because 

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of how stretchy the upper is and
I think it's great and David I 

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hope you get a pair because it's
awesome yeah i I actually 

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thought about you when I was 
running in it. 

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Oh, wow. 
Actually, do you know what shoe,

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I'm just thinking about this 
now, do you know what shoe it 

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reminds me of, but just with 
some more foam and a little bit 

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more bouncy, a little bit, is 
the TrI Noosa. 

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Oh, nice. 
So like, oh, and less toe spring

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than the TrI Noosa. 
But I just love the TrI Noosa 

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from like a simplicity just 
rolling. 

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You've piqued my interest. 
I'm really impressed. 

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Yeah. 
A little EvoRide, a little TrI 

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Noosa platforming, yeah. 
Yep. 

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Yep. 
Interesting. 

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Yeah, R.O.P. 
Do you disagree on that, Matt? 

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I mean, I think you hit it on 
the head with just the foam 

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difference, right? 
Because the TrI Noosa was so 

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firm. 
Yeah, it's very much better than

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that. 
But experience-wise, it has like

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a case use. 
There is a new TrI Noosa that we

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were never sent. 
Ooh, that'd be interesting. to 

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check out but yeah I don't know 
what they do with it so cool do 

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you have any other ones Matt I 
do David is there any other ones

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you want to jump in with um I 
mean well but you have more 

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things though right I mean yeah 
I do but we have talked about 

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the other two oh okay so they're
from the before okay yeah so I 

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mean like I'm still on the 
Valkyrie Elite 2 from TYR I've 

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got more miles on this it 
irritates my achilles every time

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I use it but dang this shoe is 
fast I'm excited to try top 

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5K/10K racer. 
I don't— I could not personally 

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take this longer but it is so 
aggressive and I again I don't 

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know how many people are going 
to be able to actually use this 

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but I still am very impressed 
with what TYR did just because 

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going from what they were 
beforehand to this to being one 

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of the most aggressive shoes on 
the market is that takes some 

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guts and I am very impressed I'm
still you know I am not the 

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right person for this just 
because the way the shoe sets up

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how soft the heel is compared to
the forefoot it literally feels 

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like a negative drop shoe which 
is why I am struggling with it a

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little bit but that doesn't mean
that I'm going to talk crap I 

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think this it's people that land
farther forward like KofuzI are 

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going to make sense he's the 
Andrea right I haven't heard too

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much perspective yeah we need to
ask her more about that she went

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kind of she's kind of quiet on 
the shoe so we got to see but 

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it's aggressive as heck it's 
fast so So, yeah. 

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The foam's great. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, it is awesome. 
Yeah, I've just been focusing on

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some other shoes to get the 
reviews out. 

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So, haven't run them yet. 
I imagine this week will be the 

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week. 
So, yeah, Valkyrie Elite 2. 

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I'm excited to try those. 
Dude, that's the one you should 

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do the mile. 
Yeah, the segment. 

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That's what I was thinking. 
Yeah. 

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I want to make sure I can 
actually handle the thing first,

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though. 
But, yeah, we'll see. 

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Maybe I'll just go for it 
tomorrow. 

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But that's probably not wise. 
I just came off of the mountain 

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yesterday and then did 13 this 
morning. so probably not wise to

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go fast tomorrow but who knows I
do shenanigans you need a fully 

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taper for that just crush that 
segment in a neighborhood yeah 

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just assert your dominance for 
whoever that other person is 

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you're competing with this is 
wild anyways the other shoe 

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would be the Inov-8 Trailfly 
Pro. 

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And yeah, I liked it. 
You know, I don't think that I 

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am the target audience of this 
shoe. 

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I kind of like what you said 
with the tier Valkyrie Elite 2. 

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I'm not going to talk smack 
about it, though. 

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I think for its intended 
purpose, it does a great job. 

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I just don't think it's me that 
is going to love fit entirely. 

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But I almost do. 
And where I feel like this 

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really hits home is it reminds 
me a lot of the minimalist trail

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shoes that are out there, which 
Inov-8 does a good job with 

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already. 
They tend to be a little bit 

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lower stack, aggressive lugs, 
like really sticky. 

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They want you to just run over 
rocks and really like feel the 

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ground. 
But this comes in with a 

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supercritical TPE. 
I'm going to get dirt 

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everywhere, man. 
I can like, I already see my 

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fingerprints on the shoe. 
It's a supercritical TPE that is

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soft and is bouncy, but there's 
26 millimeters of it. 

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So it's not like it's super 
high. 

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Six millimeter drop to 20. 
Now, if you look online, it's 

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going to say 34 because they're 
including a 4mm footbed and the 

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4mm lugs. 
So they're including all of it 

402
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online. 
But they do say midsole is 26, 

403
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you know, 20. 
So they do clarify. 

404
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So I made sure to put that in 
the review as well. 

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So that'll be out probably by 
the time this comes out. 

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Feels very nimble, very 
lightweight. 

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I mean, it's right around 8.0 
ounces for a trail shoe, which 

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is really light. 
Grips really well. 

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I had no issues running over 
rocks or taking tight turns like

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it performs and it's responsive.
The one thing though, that 

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softer foam, when you only got 
20 millimeters of it up front, I

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didn't feel it quite as much in 
the heel, but you have that give

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and the lugs are pretty deep. 
You can kind of feel everything 

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underneath it, which is 
obviously what they want, but I 

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could feel rocks more than I 
wanted to. 

416
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With that said, it wasn't 
problematic. 

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Like it wasn't like it was 
hurting my foot to run over 

418
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them, but I could just feel it 
more than I wanted. 

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Where I like just a little bit 
more under that shoe for my 

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trail shoes. 
But it retails at $195 US 

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dollars, but at 8.0 ounces with 
a nice foam. 

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If you like ground feel and you 
want something that's a little 

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bit snappier, like I could 
totally see this being like a 

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sub-ultra racing shoe or just 
daily training trail shoe. 

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You know, so they did a good 
job. 

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Wide toe box? 
Not bad. 

427
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I wore it to work as well. 
One day it was fine. 

428
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You know, I don't know if I'd 
really hike in it, but I mean, 

429
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you could. 
Sure. 

430
00:22:40,137 --> 00:22:42,330
Yeah. 
I don't see why you couldn't, 

431
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but it's definitely likes to 
run. 

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This is the type of foam that 
likes to just get compressed and

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bounce. 
So, um, it doesn't feel bad. 

434
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It just doesn't feel great 
walking and hiking. 

435
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I found it too soft for walking,
uh, and standing. 

436
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I wore it all day. 
It really does well running fast

437
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on trail. 
I really want to like that shoe 

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more. 
It's just that heel and midfoot 

439
00:23:04,238 --> 00:23:07,079
is way too narrow for me and I'm
hanging off the side of it. 

440
00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:09,429
But man, I did some hill repeats
in it. 

441
00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:11,357
I did a short fartlek on the 
trail. 

442
00:23:11,357 --> 00:23:14,040
I'm like, this is really nice. 
Like I really liked it. 

443
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,691
The midsole foam's got some 
really good pop that, you know, 

444
00:23:16,691 --> 00:23:19,820
you kind of, when you're running
slow in it, for me, with some 

445
00:23:19,820 --> 00:23:22,460
Achilles tendon issues, like 
when I was landing on the heel, 

446
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:25,767
it compressed a lot. 
It felt a lot lower drop than it

447
00:23:25,767 --> 00:23:28,055
really was. 
But once picked up the pace, 

448
00:23:28,055 --> 00:23:30,955
grip was good, disappeared. 
It's like, where have these 

449
00:23:30,955 --> 00:23:33,785
trail shoes been? 
So it's nice to have an 

450
00:23:33,785 --> 00:23:35,412
alternative. 
And yeah, there are some super 

451
00:23:35,412 --> 00:23:37,815
trail shoes out there. 
There's a couple lighter ones, 

452
00:23:37,815 --> 00:23:41,149
but it's nice to have something 
like lighter, faster, you know, 

453
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:44,123
sub ultra kind of like want to 
get back to racing kind of 

454
00:23:44,123 --> 00:23:45,491
stuff. 
It's yeah, it's been really 

455
00:23:45,491 --> 00:23:47,448
nice. 
I just wish that midfoot was a 

456
00:23:47,448 --> 00:23:49,680
little bit lighter. 
I didn't seem to have an issue. 

457
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,823
I think it does the foam 
compress so much. 

458
00:23:51,823 --> 00:23:55,244
I just kind of felt the lug. 
It's kind of like what happened 

459
00:23:55,244 --> 00:23:58,412
with the Trailfly Zero version 
2, where it was even less foam 

460
00:23:58,412 --> 00:24:00,584
than this. 
I think the stack was right 

461
00:24:00,584 --> 00:24:02,760
around 12. 
But it was a firmer foam. 

462
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,460
But that had a really narrow 
midfoot, but I didn't have an 

463
00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:08,649
issue. 
Where I feel like this one, this

464
00:24:08,649 --> 00:24:11,540
is definitely softer by a large 
stretch than that shoe. 

465
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,281
But I feel like the compression 
rate of it, I didn't seem to 

466
00:24:14,281 --> 00:24:18,605
have an issue with the midfoot. 
But yeah, so that's the Inov-8 

467
00:24:18,605 --> 00:24:21,800
Trailfly Pro positive review. 
I just don't think it's the shoe

468
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:27,315
for me. we'll transition into a 
trail shoe another one that I 

469
00:24:27,315 --> 00:24:30,809
think is similar and I think 
that's going to agree with me a 

470
00:24:30,809 --> 00:24:34,033
little bit more that I'm excited
for that you probably don't 

471
00:24:34,033 --> 00:24:37,280
really see coming is the Teva 
Trail Peak. 

472
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,770
What? 
Yeah, Teva is getting— Teva. 

473
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:43,086
Teva is— Teva? 
Is it Teva, not Teva? 

474
00:24:43,086 --> 00:24:47,206
It's don't ask me all right I 
trust David yeah I've said Teva 

475
00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:51,875
in my head my whole life and out
loud actually yeah I can't even 

476
00:24:51,875 --> 00:24:57,000
say kayano that's a good point 
uh yeah so it's Teva Trail Peak 

477
00:24:57,619 --> 00:25:01,339
and uh yeah I I believe it's an 
atpu foam I gotta check on that 

478
00:25:01,339 --> 00:25:04,505
but it's a super critical 
midsole right uh right just a 

479
00:25:04,505 --> 00:25:08,158
tiny bit heavier it's in the low
eights you know I think it's 

480
00:25:08,158 --> 00:25:12,726
like 8.2 ounces it's at 30 
millimeters a stack it's got a 

481
00:25:12,726 --> 00:25:16,299
pretty wide net underneath you 
know the lugs aren't super 

482
00:25:16,299 --> 00:25:18,639
aggressive you know I think this
is probably going to be a little

483
00:25:18,639 --> 00:25:22,313
bit more all-terrain type of 
trail shoe um the fit it's so 

484
00:25:22,313 --> 00:25:27,471
funny because it's like Teva's a
Deckers brand and so like you 

485
00:25:27,471 --> 00:25:32,840
have Teva, Hoka— uh, used to be 
Sanuk, you know— UGG, yeah— and 

486
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,772
although they all operate as 
like their own companies I was a

487
00:25:35,772 --> 00:25:37,619
little surprised to see Teva 
come out with the trail shoe 

488
00:25:37,719 --> 00:25:41,423
just because Hoka is you know 
under the same umbrella under 

489
00:25:41,423 --> 00:25:44,575
Deckers yeah um so it's 
interesting to see that but it 

490
00:25:44,575 --> 00:25:47,365
fits so similar to like the hoka
transport which is an upper I 

491
00:25:47,365 --> 00:25:52,175
love so um nice yeah and it's 
got the speed laces as well so 

492
00:25:52,175 --> 00:25:56,860
it's kind of got a slightly snug
fit but it's got some width and 

493
00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:59,195
there's enough space to 
accommodate swelling and stuff 

494
00:25:59,195 --> 00:26:01,930
but it's a little bit lower 
volume you could probably see 

495
00:26:01,930 --> 00:26:04,479
the like fold in the material 
right there but the width is 

496
00:26:04,579 --> 00:26:08,610
there yeah so we'll see I'm very
curious to see how this shoe 

497
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:12,443
does it came in the other day um
i made sure to get some pictures

498
00:26:12,443 --> 00:26:14,507
of it I like the colorway I'll 
probably wear it to work 

499
00:26:14,507 --> 00:26:17,779
tomorrow and then get some trail
miles within the week. 

500
00:26:17,779 --> 00:26:20,099
But I kind of like the neutral 
colors. 

501
00:26:20,410 --> 00:26:22,307
I think it just kind of 
compliments. 

502
00:26:22,307 --> 00:26:24,470
It's a very fall looking shoe. 
It is. 

503
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:28,313
Yeah, I almost don't want to get
it dirty, but that's the goal of

504
00:26:28,313 --> 00:26:30,007
it. 
So, but I think that's probably 

505
00:26:30,007 --> 00:26:32,987
going to be a trail shoe. 
It probably agrees with me a 

506
00:26:32,987 --> 00:26:35,011
little bit more than the Inov-8 
Trailfly Pro. 

507
00:26:35,011 --> 00:26:39,549
I don't know the retail on that.
I got to check on the, for the 

508
00:26:39,549 --> 00:26:42,564
Teva Trail Peak. 
Other one is the ASICS GT-2000 

509
00:26:42,564 --> 00:26:43,903
15. 
It's back, baby. 

510
00:26:43,903 --> 00:26:46,787
This shoe is good. 
I like it. 

511
00:26:46,787 --> 00:26:50,713
Although it's funny, though, the
Blast Max, I actually still feel

512
00:26:50,713 --> 00:26:53,843
like I got more bounce out of 
the Blast Plus. 

513
00:26:53,843 --> 00:26:56,660
I don't know. 
Maybe I'm just a weird one. 

514
00:26:57,579 --> 00:27:01,076
It felt like a little bit more 
of a structured cushioning to me

515
00:27:01,076 --> 00:27:02,959
in this shoe, which was still 
fine. 

516
00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:05,500
It was nice and rhythmic. 
I ran 13 in them this morning, 

517
00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:08,837
which is the longest run that 
I've done since the Boston 

518
00:27:08,837 --> 00:27:11,133
Marathon. 
So, like, it handled my long run

519
00:27:11,133 --> 00:27:13,707
shoe. 
I mean, as far as like what I 

520
00:27:13,707 --> 00:27:16,160
would consider long right now 
and nice and rhythmic, good 

521
00:27:16,339 --> 00:27:18,848
upper, it probably could have a 
touch more width up front, but I

522
00:27:18,848 --> 00:27:22,100
didn't have any issues. 
The GTs always fit a little bit 

523
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,740
more snug, but it expands a 
little bit and I didn't have any

524
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:27,608
issues. 
I actually really liked the GT 

525
00:27:27,608 --> 00:27:31,050
2015. 
So yeah, I don't think it's 

526
00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:34,940
going to get a shoe of the year 
award from me, but I think it 

527
00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:36,920
might get a stability shoe of 
the year award for me. 

528
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,719
I got to go to the drawing board
and check. 

529
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:43,868
I haven't tried, you know, the 
ones that Klein loves, but from 

530
00:27:43,868 --> 00:27:45,079
Saucony. 
That's fair. 

531
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,398
And then I just got one more on 
the docket here. 

532
00:27:47,398 --> 00:27:48,339
We talked about the 
featherweight. 

533
00:27:49,699 --> 00:27:53,588
I will say really quick while 
you're grabbing that shoe, the 

534
00:27:53,588 --> 00:27:57,887
GT-2000 15 is back. 
However, they got to calm that 

535
00:27:57,887 --> 00:28:00,152
heel counter down. 
Oh, my gosh. 

536
00:28:00,152 --> 00:28:03,033
It is so stiff. 
It's better than the last one, 

537
00:28:03,033 --> 00:28:04,420
which was digging into my 
Achilles tendon. 

538
00:28:04,859 --> 00:28:06,859
Like, at least there's a little 
notch for the Achilles now. 

539
00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:10,541
But that thing is the stiffest 
heel counter maybe on the 

540
00:28:10,541 --> 00:28:12,765
market. 
And it's like, you guys got to 

541
00:28:12,765 --> 00:28:16,096
back it off. 
I know you want to make the most

542
00:28:16,096 --> 00:28:18,133
stable shoe possible, but the 
midsole already is really 

543
00:28:18,133 --> 00:28:20,235
stable. 
The Blast Max, I'm actually 

544
00:28:20,235 --> 00:28:22,140
having the opposite experience 
where it's the bouncy. 

545
00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:25,412
To me, it's not soft, but it's 
got this really nice resilience 

546
00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:29,030
that I ended up picking up the 
pace a couple times in it 

547
00:28:29,030 --> 00:28:32,253
without really expecting to. 
But yeah, they just got to tone 

548
00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:34,377
that down. 
There are better ways to 

549
00:28:34,377 --> 00:28:36,662
stabilize. 
And we have very good evidence 

550
00:28:36,662 --> 00:28:39,599
that oftentimes, no matter how 
stiff the heel counter is, your 

551
00:28:39,719 --> 00:28:41,252
heel's going to move anywhere in
there. 

552
00:28:41,252 --> 00:28:43,660
So there are better ways to do 
that without irritating it. 

553
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,639
But to be fair, I didn't have to
cut it in half this time like 

554
00:28:46,639 --> 00:28:49,399
the last version. 
I will say, too, I had this 

555
00:28:49,399 --> 00:28:52,045
thought during my run this 
morning, actually, where I'm 

556
00:28:52,045 --> 00:28:56,224
also just not in the shape that 
I was when I had the GT-2000 13,

557
00:28:56,224 --> 00:28:59,387
which I loved. 
And I just wonder if I'm not 

558
00:28:59,387 --> 00:29:03,016
putting quite as much force into
the ground or running at of pace

559
00:29:03,016 --> 00:29:07,608
faster at a given intensity that
I consider easy or uptempo. 

560
00:29:07,608 --> 00:29:12,230
Um, mainly because I don't think
I cracked a 7:30 mile in the 

561
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:15,965
shoe today where like before, 
like I would do long runs at 

562
00:29:15,965 --> 00:29:20,931
6:30 or 6:40, you know, in, in 
the same shoe, um, two, whenever

563
00:29:20,931 --> 00:29:23,363
it came out two, three years 
ago. 

564
00:29:23,363 --> 00:29:26,975
Um, so I was thinking that 
myself where I was like, I 

565
00:29:26,975 --> 00:29:30,927
wonder if I'm just not loading 
the shoe enough to get that like

566
00:29:30,927 --> 00:29:34,675
blast max experience but for the
easy running it was a nice 

567
00:29:34,675 --> 00:29:39,655
structured experience um last 
one on the docket for me here is

568
00:29:39,655 --> 00:29:43,676
the before that I did you were 
looking you were talking about 

569
00:29:43,676 --> 00:29:46,484
price for the trail peak right 
yeah curious about that yeah 

570
00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:50,427
it's $160 for the— okay that's 
what I was thinking yeah Teva 

571
00:29:50,427 --> 00:29:53,868
Trail Peak's not bad that is a 
highly competitive price when 

572
00:29:53,868 --> 00:29:56,074
you look at the specs. 
Yeah, it is. 

573
00:29:56,074 --> 00:30:00,518
So, if it performs as well as it
looks on paper, then that might 

574
00:30:00,518 --> 00:30:04,247
be a competitive shoe on the 
trail market coming very soon. 

575
00:30:04,247 --> 00:30:06,959
Because I don't think it's out 
yet, right? 

576
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,259
I think it's coming soon. 
September 1st. 

577
00:30:10,259 --> 00:30:13,299
So, by the time this releases, 
it'll be... 

578
00:30:13,299 --> 00:30:15,722
This is just proprietary max 
track outsole. 

579
00:30:15,722 --> 00:30:17,269
Yeah. 
So, that's where I was kind of 

580
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:18,813
confused. 
I was like, oh, this would have 

581
00:30:18,813 --> 00:30:22,943
been great to compare when we 
had the 3 Plus back when we got 

582
00:30:22,943 --> 00:30:28,063
it. but yeah it's nice I like it
so I'll probably put a little 

583
00:30:28,063 --> 00:30:31,616
bit of a comparison on the 
original review or something did

584
00:30:31,616 --> 00:30:35,276
anybody get so you got so we got
three plus first then they said 

585
00:30:35,276 --> 00:30:39,192
the three I didn't get the three
I got one called three minus and

586
00:30:39,192 --> 00:30:43,639
the box was empty nice okay 
moving on that's all my shoes 

587
00:30:43,639 --> 00:30:48,602
anyways I have one other shoe 
that we y'all have reviewed and 

588
00:30:48,602 --> 00:30:53,828
talked about but it's the Altra 
Vanish Carbon 3 so I have not 

589
00:30:53,828 --> 00:30:59,666
been able to get along with any 
super shoes in the last year and

590
00:30:59,666 --> 00:31:02,416
that's mostly due to my own 
fitness levels and just what's 

591
00:31:02,416 --> 00:31:04,780
going on with my foot so I've 
been very selective and I've 

592
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,901
tried a couple for short 
distances on the treadmill and 

593
00:31:07,901 --> 00:31:11,772
haven't gotten along but I put 
this one on took it out for a 

594
00:31:11,772 --> 00:31:13,410
little while I'm like you know 
what I'm going to take this out 

595
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:18,350
so I ended up doing my like hour
and a half run in this yesterday

596
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:22,916
and some things that I really 
like about it And I, and I think

597
00:31:22,916 --> 00:31:25,306
it might be slightly different 
than some of your experiences, 

598
00:31:25,306 --> 00:31:26,979
but I actually really love the 
foam. 

599
00:31:27,050 --> 00:31:30,272
I took it for like a longer, 
easier tempo, like easier pace 

600
00:31:30,272 --> 00:31:31,880
run. 
I was not going fast. 

601
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:36,561
It actually felt really 
rhythmic, gave me just the right

602
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:39,739
amount of like responsiveness to
each stride. 

603
00:31:39,770 --> 00:31:43,783
Like it felt really nice though,
though it's, you know, it's four

604
00:31:43,783 --> 00:31:47,888
millimeter drop and though it 
sank a little in the heel, it 

605
00:31:47,888 --> 00:31:50,219
didn't feel too negative drop at
all. 

606
00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:54,339
Um, it's not that compliant that
it felt super negative drop. 

607
00:31:54,979 --> 00:31:58,911
And it also felt like one of the
more stable foams in comparison 

608
00:31:58,911 --> 00:32:01,590
to other super shoes. 
And there's just a little bit, 

609
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:03,339
it doesn't narrow out too much 
in the midfoot. 

610
00:32:03,619 --> 00:32:06,719
So even at those slower paces, 
it didn't feel squirrely for me.

611
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,343
I also, because I was going 
easy, like, I think one of the 

612
00:32:11,343 --> 00:32:15,090
things that I noticed was like 
the upper is like it held my 

613
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:19,185
foot, but it didn't feel like it
was keeping my foot centered too

614
00:32:19,185 --> 00:32:20,976
much. 
There's just some movement 

615
00:32:20,976 --> 00:32:23,441
there. 
And so I think that if I were 

616
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:26,865
turning harder, I may have 
noticed that more, but I didn't.

617
00:32:26,865 --> 00:32:29,795
So I actually, I loved it for my
long run. 

618
00:32:29,795 --> 00:32:33,570
It felt really smooth. 
The rocker is not extremes in my

619
00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:36,119
opinion. 
Like it, it's very gradual and 

620
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,743
you just kind of rhythmically 
roll through it. 

621
00:32:38,743 --> 00:32:41,969
Um, and I, again, I wasn't going
fast, but I went for the full 

622
00:32:41,969 --> 00:32:44,604
hour and a half and It felt 
great today. 

623
00:32:44,604 --> 00:32:48,629
I am a bit sore. 
Like I've got one calf that's 

624
00:32:48,629 --> 00:32:52,130
like a little sad. 
It's like, oh, you know, you ran

625
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:55,064
in this shoe that is a little 
bit lower drop than you're used 

626
00:32:55,064 --> 00:32:59,020
to for your long runs. 
And, but yeah, I also really 

627
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:03,640
like the, in the forefoot kind 
of right under where my MTPs 

628
00:33:03,699 --> 00:33:06,274
are, they widen the ground 
contact a little bit. 

629
00:33:06,274 --> 00:33:08,848
And I just, I think that just 
felt nice. 

630
00:33:08,848 --> 00:33:12,355
It felt really secure, stable, 
confident in that forefoot 

631
00:33:12,355 --> 00:33:16,099
responsiveness. 
So, I mean, a thumbs up from my 

632
00:33:16,219 --> 00:33:20,613
ability to use it for, you know,
that long run, I'll probably use

633
00:33:20,613 --> 00:33:23,870
it for shorter runs in the 
future before taking it for 

634
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:26,431
another long run, just because I
was a little bit sore in my 

635
00:33:26,431 --> 00:33:29,129
calves and like my post-tib and 
like a few, few things. 

636
00:33:29,129 --> 00:33:31,352
But that was, I think, partially
to be expected. 

637
00:33:31,352 --> 00:33:33,715
I knew what I was getting myself
into. 

638
00:33:33,715 --> 00:33:38,177
Doesn't run in super racers for 
a year and then takes the first 

639
00:33:38,177 --> 00:33:42,307
one out for a 90 minute run yeah
that was a decision but I guess 

640
00:33:42,307 --> 00:33:46,214
I guess what that says yeah it 
didn't feel it didn't feel that 

641
00:33:46,214 --> 00:33:50,400
crazy and I think that's why I 
was like I'm gonna take this out

642
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:56,076
whereas like when I put on the 
New Balance SC Elite version 6 I

643
00:33:56,076 --> 00:34:01,585
was like uh can't do this I put 
on the On Cloud boom Echo 

644
00:34:01,585 --> 00:34:07,204
Strike, Cloudboom Strike I was 
like I can't do this like I just

645
00:34:07,204 --> 00:34:10,728
knew they weren't right? 
This one just felt like a, like 

646
00:34:10,728 --> 00:34:13,940
felt like rhythmically wise and 
geometry wise, like I could 

647
00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:15,480
handle it. 
So I took it out. 

648
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,543
The other thing is the, I didn't
realize it, but you know, it 

649
00:34:19,543 --> 00:34:21,911
grooves down all the way to the 
plate. 

650
00:34:21,911 --> 00:34:26,663
And I was running on some of our
crushed granite and it was just 

651
00:34:26,663 --> 00:34:29,931
caked in there. 
So do not recommend for the 

652
00:34:29,931 --> 00:34:32,248
trail, like those crushed gravel
trails. 

653
00:34:32,248 --> 00:34:35,714
If it was a dirt trail, that's 
just like totally flat. 

654
00:34:35,714 --> 00:34:38,929
You'd be fine. 
If it's obviously concrete, it 

655
00:34:38,929 --> 00:34:41,373
would be fine. 
I don't mean like technical 

656
00:34:41,373 --> 00:34:43,824
trail. 
I mean like a dirt path is going

657
00:34:43,824 --> 00:34:46,879
to be fine, but those crushed 
rocks got all caked up in there.

658
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,320
I will say I totally agree with 
you. 

659
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,060
Like it does actually well at 
like easy long run paces. 

660
00:34:53,139 --> 00:34:55,985
That was actually one of the 
first runs that I did in it 

661
00:34:55,985 --> 00:34:59,324
after the ultra event. 
I also want to say the like 

662
00:34:59,324 --> 00:35:01,040
extension right here in the 
forefoot. 

663
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,318
It just feels like I have really
good forefoot control in this 

664
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:04,620
one. 
I don't know if it's that. 

665
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:08,732
They talk about the split like 
first toe and the plate kind of 

666
00:35:08,732 --> 00:35:11,159
thing, but it's a more stable 
super shoe. 

667
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,045
But it's also it's going to be a
more approachable super shoe for

668
00:35:14,045 --> 00:35:16,879
a lot of people as long as you 
can handle the lower drop. 

669
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:18,843
Again, it's not zero. 
It's four. 

670
00:35:18,843 --> 00:35:20,760
It's not the fastest thing out 
there. 

671
00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:23,986
I don't know if I would race in 
something like this, but I have 

672
00:35:23,986 --> 00:35:27,595
done lots and lots of workouts. 
And I've got 70 miles in my pair

673
00:35:27,595 --> 00:35:29,730
and the outsole is doing awesome
so far. 

674
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:32,683
But it's also $240, right? 
They didn't run like, oh, we're 

675
00:35:32,683 --> 00:35:35,468
going to charge $275. 
No, they kept it at a reasonable

676
00:35:35,468 --> 00:35:37,239
price for, I think, where it's 
at. 

677
00:35:37,399 --> 00:35:39,028
So I think they also did a good 
job. 

678
00:35:39,028 --> 00:35:41,380
Yeah, I got to try it. 
Mine just came in like the other

679
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:44,344
day. 
But I was going to go Valkyrie 

680
00:35:44,344 --> 00:35:47,996
Elite just because we obviously 
have the review out on Vanish 

681
00:35:47,996 --> 00:35:48,659
Carbon. 
Nice. 

682
00:35:50,699 --> 00:35:53,128
Well, that's what we got for our
InferTesting segment. 

683
00:35:53,128 --> 00:35:55,280
That may be a record for our 
longest. 

684
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,467
Wait, do you have more, Matt? 
Yeah, I also have the Torin 9, 

685
00:35:58,467 --> 00:36:01,118
which Andrea's getting miles on.
And I want to say Altra, and 

686
00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:03,744
remind you that we talked about 
the Torin ST, which is their new

687
00:36:03,744 --> 00:36:05,360
stability shoe that I still want
to try. 

688
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,024
So it's out there. 
I haven't tried it yet. 

689
00:36:08,024 --> 00:36:08,566
Cool. 
Awesome. 

690
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:12,935
It's just me. 
So, as always, our 

691
00:36:12,935 --> 00:36:15,620
in-for-testing segment is fueled
by Skratch Labs. 

692
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:19,832
I just got myself another round 
of recovery drink from them 

693
00:36:19,832 --> 00:36:25,020
because I just love it so much. 
Yeah, so I got my new thing of 

694
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:28,791
the recovery drink, which meant 
I'm going to be sent the mystery

695
00:36:28,791 --> 00:36:29,419
flavor. 
Nice. 

696
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,475
So I'm excited to see what it 
is. 

697
00:36:31,475 --> 00:36:33,865
They just, they knock their 
flavors for the sport hydration 

698
00:36:33,865 --> 00:36:36,440
mix out of the park. 
Like every single one that I've 

699
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,534
tried. 
I've just, I've just been a fan 

700
00:36:38,534 --> 00:36:41,152
of them all and all the 
specialty flavors are all good. 

701
00:36:41,152 --> 00:36:44,580
And mango's the best. 
But anyway, if you want to get 

702
00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:48,077
20% off your first order from 
Skratch Labs, you can use the 

703
00:36:48,077 --> 00:36:51,004
code DOCTORSOFRUNNING. 
That'll get you 20% off at 

704
00:36:51,004 --> 00:36:53,515
skratchlabs.com. 
Dude, it better not be some like

705
00:36:53,515 --> 00:36:55,080
jalapeno flavored, like spicy 
thing. 

706
00:36:55,179 --> 00:36:57,147
Now I'm scared. 
I just had that thought. 

707
00:36:57,147 --> 00:37:02,209
Who knows? 
well let's jump into our main 

708
00:37:02,209 --> 00:37:06,706
pumpkin spice could be oh could 
be the move they've done like 

709
00:37:06,706 --> 00:37:09,340
apple cider in the past so yeah 
that's what I'm thinking 

710
00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:11,987
something like that it's because
we're going into the fall I mean

711
00:37:11,987 --> 00:37:15,515
you make faces but then you're 
gonna try it and love it so and 

712
00:37:15,515 --> 00:37:18,016
yeah I don't know about that 
while I'm hitting like threshold

713
00:37:18,016 --> 00:37:20,300
pace and try to like gulp down 
yeah you said that about 

714
00:37:20,379 --> 00:37:26,125
cucumber lime same time yeah you
know what yep got it okay spicy 

715
00:37:26,125 --> 00:37:31,854
though I didn't say it'd be 
spicy What kind of pumpkin spice

716
00:37:31,854 --> 00:37:37,812
I feel like it's got like 
pumpkin spice it's in the name 

717
00:37:37,812 --> 00:37:45,398
it's not like a spice it's not 
hot I don't want to be taking 

718
00:37:45,398 --> 00:37:51,026
down herbs when I'm running like
5:50 on the treadmill Are we 

719
00:37:51,026 --> 00:37:56,024
ready? 
Yeah I think we're ready We've 

720
00:37:56,024 --> 00:37:59,724
got 20 minutes left Yeah, let's 
go into what we're going to call

721
00:37:59,724 --> 00:38:00,860
our quote-unquote maiden 
segment. 

722
00:38:01,139 --> 00:38:03,889
But we've talked a lot about the
shoes we're testing. 

723
00:38:03,889 --> 00:38:05,260
Hopefully, people found that 
helpful. 

724
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,095
But what we're going to do is we
have talked about five different

725
00:38:09,095 --> 00:38:11,020
shoes that sit in a similar 
category. 

726
00:38:11,189 --> 00:38:14,853
So it's kind of this simple, 
lightweight trainers that are 

727
00:38:14,853 --> 00:38:17,670
non-plated. 
And we're rank ordering them 

728
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:20,438
based on which one's fit is the 
best. 

729
00:38:20,438 --> 00:38:22,860
So we're going best to worst 
fit. 

730
00:38:23,139 --> 00:38:26,532
Obviously, we're talking about 
quote unquote best, which means 

731
00:38:26,532 --> 00:38:29,290
that we're talking about 
something that is subjective in 

732
00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:32,442
some ways because best is going 
to depend on your foot type and 

733
00:38:32,442 --> 00:38:34,550
your foot shape and all of this 
kind of thing. 

734
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:36,020
But that's what we're going to 
do. 

735
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,460
And then after that, we're going
to talk about, but which shoe 

736
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:43,256
would we actually buy? 
What would be the one that we 

737
00:38:43,256 --> 00:38:45,726
would get? 
And it's kind of asking this 

738
00:38:45,726 --> 00:38:48,255
question, like, does fit 
override performance or what is 

739
00:38:48,255 --> 00:38:51,694
the balance between those two? 
So the way that we're going to 

740
00:38:51,694 --> 00:38:55,040
do this is we'll kind of reveal 
our rank order of the shoes I'll

741
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:59,163
mention in a second, five to 
one, so at least the worst fit 

742
00:38:59,163 --> 00:39:02,800
up to the best fit. 
And none of us know what our 

743
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,325
rankings are for these shoes. 
And the first time the shoe 

744
00:39:05,325 --> 00:39:08,515
comes up, we'll kind of go into 
what that shoe is a little bit, 

745
00:39:08,515 --> 00:39:11,178
but then we'll keep it shorter 
after that just so that y'all 

746
00:39:11,178 --> 00:39:14,640
know what we're getting into. 
So the five shoes that we are 

747
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,602
going to be talking about is the
Diadora Corsa, The Puma Deviate 

748
00:39:19,602 --> 00:39:20,430
Pure. 
Nitro. 

749
00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:23,328
The Brooks Ghost Amp. 
The, oh, Nitro. 

750
00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,459
Did I say that wrong? 
You just said Deviate Pure. 

751
00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:30,235
Deviate Pure Nitro. 
Pure Nitro. 

752
00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:35,145
Brooks Ghost Amp, Hoka Mach 7, 
and the Saucony Azura. 

753
00:39:35,145 --> 00:39:41,949
So, let's start with our... 
David, people know what he's 

754
00:39:41,949 --> 00:39:42,949
talking about. 
Naming police. 

755
00:39:42,949 --> 00:39:44,699
I love it. 
No, I love it. 

756
00:39:44,699 --> 00:39:47,269
Sometimes people do ask for 
clarification on things. 

757
00:39:47,269 --> 00:39:50,800
I am thankful for it. 
Let's go from our number five. 

758
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,749
So, David, what is your, of 
these, what is your least best 

759
00:39:55,749 --> 00:39:57,963
fitting shoe? 
Your worst fitting shoe. 

760
00:39:57,963 --> 00:40:00,596
My worst fitting shoe. 
I'm probably going to get some 

761
00:40:00,596 --> 00:40:03,713
heat for this, actually. 
But this is probably the one 

762
00:40:03,713 --> 00:40:06,560
that agrees with me the least, 
and that's the Diadora Corsa. 

763
00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:10,675
And it's probably pretty high on
your guys' list, I would think. 

764
00:40:10,675 --> 00:40:14,385
But there's a couple of reasons.
It's not like it's a bad fit. 

765
00:40:14,385 --> 00:40:17,000
I actually, all of these five 
shoes fit me pretty well. 

766
00:40:17,139 --> 00:40:18,899
And I think all of the uppers 
are pretty good. 

767
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,270
So take it with how you want to 
take it with me saying it's the 

768
00:40:22,270 --> 00:40:24,360
worst of the five. 
I think they're all pretty good.

769
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,840
But why is the question? 
Cause it's individual. 

770
00:40:28,219 --> 00:40:32,314
So my why, so the forefoot 
tapers a little bit quick on the

771
00:40:32,314 --> 00:40:36,417
Corsa, but the actual big why 
for me is the way the tongue is 

772
00:40:36,417 --> 00:40:38,723
gusseted. 
There's a little bit of space on

773
00:40:38,723 --> 00:40:41,889
the inside and I don't know if I
can pull it open to show you 

774
00:40:41,889 --> 00:40:45,185
guys. 
I'm going to try here. so if I I

775
00:40:45,185 --> 00:40:48,005
love this tongue like the 
tongue's nice yeah yeah the 

776
00:40:48,005 --> 00:40:51,891
tongue's nice um so see where 
the gusset is right there 

777
00:40:51,891 --> 00:40:56,706
there's a thick Diadora overlay 
just on the outside right in 

778
00:40:56,706 --> 00:41:00,385
there and I get a little bit of 
pressure from that right in 

779
00:41:00,385 --> 00:41:03,836
there on the lateral side but 
it's enough for me to feel it 

780
00:41:03,836 --> 00:41:07,177
and I can feel it like putting 
the shoe on immediately and I 

781
00:41:07,177 --> 00:41:10,627
can feel it while I'm running 
but it doesn't press like so 

782
00:41:10,627 --> 00:41:12,979
hard that like I can't run in 
it. 

783
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,097
But it just is something that I 
noticed a little bit of pressure

784
00:41:16,097 --> 00:41:19,990
on the lateral side of my foot. 
So that's out of the simple 

785
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:21,965
boys. 
That's probably the least 

786
00:41:21,965 --> 00:41:25,120
fitting one for me. 
So I'll go next. 

787
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:27,760
But I think what's interesting, 
I'll say this off the bat. 

788
00:41:28,139 --> 00:41:31,071
There's only one of these shoes 
that for me, I think is a great 

789
00:41:31,071 --> 00:41:33,307
fit. 
I think the other my number one 

790
00:41:33,307 --> 00:41:35,143
is great, in my opinion. 
Number two is good. 

791
00:41:35,143 --> 00:41:39,766
And then the rest of them are 
kind of like, So just keep that 

792
00:41:39,766 --> 00:41:43,737
in mind for me. 
But my number five is the Hoka 

793
00:41:43,737 --> 00:41:48,216
Mach 7. 
For me, the forefoot is too low 

794
00:41:48,216 --> 00:41:52,315
volume, too narrow. 
And as is true for many of 

795
00:41:52,315 --> 00:41:55,060
these, they do not have a 
stretchy, accommodating upper. 

796
00:41:55,229 --> 00:41:57,479
So the shape that it gives you 
is the shape that it's going to 

797
00:41:57,479 --> 00:41:59,776
be. 
I like the simplicity of the 

798
00:41:59,776 --> 00:42:02,764
upper, but it's really just the 
taper through the toe box and 

799
00:42:02,764 --> 00:42:06,630
how narrow it is. 
Just kind of for me with my big 

800
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:08,907
toe on the left kind of 
compresses that region. 

801
00:42:08,907 --> 00:42:11,880
Heel lockdown is great. 
I don't mind anything else about

802
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,959
the lacing system, the tongue. 
That's all good. 

803
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,029
It's just that little bit of 
narrowness combined with these 

804
00:42:17,029 --> 00:42:19,034
like laterals. 
Just there's a little lateral 

805
00:42:19,034 --> 00:42:21,489
sidewall. 
It just compresses a little bit 

806
00:42:21,489 --> 00:42:23,418
too much for me. 
So that's my number five. 

807
00:42:23,418 --> 00:42:28,680
Matt, what's yours? 
As much as I think this is a 

808
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,327
major improvement for Brooks, 
the DNA Amp is— or, sorry, 

809
00:42:32,327 --> 00:42:35,222
Brooks Ghost Amp. 
Amp, sorry— is my least favorite

810
00:42:35,222 --> 00:42:38,953
for a couple reasons. one, I 
have to go up a half size, and 

811
00:42:38,953 --> 00:42:41,591
that if I have to go different 
sizing that's already a little 

812
00:42:41,591 --> 00:42:44,115
irritating to begin with but 
even then it still feels like 

813
00:42:44,115 --> 00:42:46,887
the taper and brooks I don't 
know what this taper is recently

814
00:42:46,887 --> 00:42:51,640
but it just upper just feels 
like this could be a lot lighter

815
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,200
sizing is awkward and just still
feels like it's not really 

816
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,510
fitting my foot still like the 
midsole is such a big 

817
00:42:57,510 --> 00:43:00,494
improvement for a lot of their 
foams I really like that it was 

818
00:43:00,494 --> 00:43:03,194
easy to pick up the pace um 
compared to the original ghost 

819
00:43:03,194 --> 00:43:04,919
and actually broke in where the 
actual inline goes. 

820
00:43:04,919 --> 00:43:06,768
I couldn't run in because it 
caused me heel pain. 

821
00:43:06,768 --> 00:43:09,890
This is better. 
But yeah, the fit is just not 

822
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:13,183
fitting the shape of my foot. 
It's just kind of awkward. 

823
00:43:13,183 --> 00:43:16,394
Doesn't do well. 
Whereas I like the rest of the 

824
00:43:16,394 --> 00:43:17,948
shoe. 
So yeah, that's my number five. 

825
00:43:17,948 --> 00:43:20,159
Matt, why don't you go right 
into your number four? 

826
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,895
Yeah. 
So actually it's going to be 

827
00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:27,144
quite similar to you, Nathan. 
My only difference is so Mach 7 

828
00:43:27,144 --> 00:43:30,840
is going to be my number four. 
And yeah, forefoot volume. 

829
00:43:30,949 --> 00:43:33,825
It is better than the last 
version. last version was like I

830
00:43:33,825 --> 00:43:37,010
should have gone a half size up 
I was getting some blistering um

831
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:39,810
this one is better there's just 
a teeny bit more room and I 

832
00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:42,890
think it's just a teeny more 
volume but it's still very low 

833
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:46,550
volume the reason it's not my 
number five is because it fits 

834
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:50,464
very well when I'm running fast 
like this is a short distance 

835
00:43:50,464 --> 00:43:54,546
track speed shoe when it when 
you put it like that it makes 

836
00:43:54,546 --> 00:43:57,968
total sense to me it's just 
close fitting I'm used to track 

837
00:43:57,968 --> 00:44:01,589
spikes but just I do wish there 
was some more room because the 

838
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:04,374
versatility that's here like 
it's fairly stable it's really 

839
00:44:04,374 --> 00:44:07,955
light it's one of the lightest 
ones of these it if you just had

840
00:44:07,955 --> 00:44:10,959
a little bit more room I think 
it would be fine but it just 

841
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:15,271
narrows its use for me 
personally yeah that makes sense

842
00:44:15,271 --> 00:44:20,015
David what's your number four so
my number four is the hoka mach 

843
00:44:20,015 --> 00:44:23,764
7 as well pretty similar reasons
I feel like the volume's a bit 

844
00:44:23,764 --> 00:44:26,835
lower toe box probably a little 
bit wider there's a little bit 

845
00:44:26,835 --> 00:44:29,729
of taper there as well I feel 
like the mesh is generally 

846
00:44:29,729 --> 00:44:32,919
comfortable but it's not super 
stretchy so it's one of those 

847
00:44:32,919 --> 00:44:36,258
things where you kind of just 
know what you got when you put 

848
00:44:36,258 --> 00:44:39,003
your foot in there it's not bad 
you know I feel like like you 

849
00:44:39,003 --> 00:44:42,777
said like I could take this to 
the track and I feel like it's a

850
00:44:42,777 --> 00:44:46,647
secure upper but I think it's 
just if I'm having to rank these

851
00:44:46,647 --> 00:44:50,385
I probably go number four on 
this one not quite as cozy as 

852
00:44:50,385 --> 00:44:59,536
the other ones either yeah my 
number four is the Puma Deviate 

853
00:44:59,536 --> 00:45:06,312
Pure Nitro. 
I actually had this one ranked 

854
00:45:06,312 --> 00:45:10,476
lower because of my test in it 
this most recent week when I was

855
00:45:10,476 --> 00:45:13,660
comparing it to the Fila shoe 
and so maybe it's a little bit 

856
00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:16,665
of recency bias of comparing to 
a fit that I really loved but 

857
00:45:16,665 --> 00:45:21,937
when I put this on it was again 
similar to the mock but lower 

858
00:45:21,937 --> 00:45:26,687
volume and a little bit snug 
which is not uncommon for puma 

859
00:45:26,687 --> 00:45:30,138
but I think that the other 
reason was that it's thicker too

860
00:45:30,138 --> 00:45:33,973
in comparison to some of these 
other ones there's a little bit 

861
00:45:33,973 --> 00:45:37,361
more layering of the upper 
particular in the toe box 

862
00:45:37,361 --> 00:45:40,550
everything else is fine like the
lockdown through the lacing 

863
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:44,304
system in the amount of padding 
in the heel counter is good but 

864
00:45:44,304 --> 00:45:47,485
I find that the thickness of the
upper if they just got rid of 

865
00:45:47,485 --> 00:45:50,672
some of that thickness it would 
open it up just a touch and it 

866
00:45:50,672 --> 00:45:54,548
would be better so very similar 
reasons for the mach 7 just in a

867
00:45:54,548 --> 00:45:57,705
slightly different package what 
about number three David do you 

868
00:45:57,705 --> 00:46:02,607
want to go first sure i'll go 
with the Brooks Ghost Amp as my 

869
00:46:02,607 --> 00:46:06,812
number three I feel like there's
a lot that I do like about it I 

870
00:46:06,812 --> 00:46:09,740
am I think with this one it 
probably tapers a little quick 

871
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:12,667
all these shoes have like a 
little bit of a taper for some 

872
00:46:12,667 --> 00:46:15,410
reason in this category they do 
they do um but I feel like 

873
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:18,030
there's more volume in the 
forefoot which I think is 

874
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:20,826
appreciated in the Ghost Amp I 
think the tongue is padded 

875
00:46:20,826 --> 00:46:23,557
pretty well the laces are soft 
and they don't really bite at 

876
00:46:23,557 --> 00:46:27,040
all I feel like the heel collar 
is padded well like it's a 

877
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,222
comfortable upper across the 
board for me but the taper is 

878
00:46:30,222 --> 00:46:33,160
there it's just also like how we
said about the Deviate Pure 

879
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,634
Nitro, like the upper is a 
little thicker, like this 

880
00:46:35,634 --> 00:46:38,820
definitely feels more like 
training training shoe like not 

881
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:41,201
like a performancey kind of shoe
too. 

882
00:46:41,201 --> 00:46:44,575
So in that way, I feel like it 
gets left behind a little bit, 

883
00:46:44,575 --> 00:46:48,013
but the dimensions for the most 
part fit my foot pretty well. 

884
00:46:48,013 --> 00:46:50,802
So I like it. 
You know, it's just, it's number

885
00:46:50,802 --> 00:46:54,705
three. 
Cool. 

886
00:46:54,705 --> 00:46:58,670
My number three, to look at my 
list, make sure I'm doing this 

887
00:46:58,670 --> 00:47:01,083
right, is the same as yours, 
David. 

888
00:47:01,083 --> 00:47:05,208
And it's, I mean, I don't need 
to repeat because it's basically

889
00:47:05,208 --> 00:47:09,968
the same taper, thicker, And 
then not only is it thicker kind

890
00:47:09,968 --> 00:47:14,410
of through the forefoot, like 
the padding in the heel is a 

891
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:16,821
lot. 
And I find that when there's a 

892
00:47:16,821 --> 00:47:19,744
mismatch of the amount of 
padding in the heel and the 

893
00:47:19,744 --> 00:47:22,659
function of the shoe, that 
always just feels weird to me. 

894
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:24,936
Yeah. 
It's like, hey, here's a 

895
00:47:24,936 --> 00:47:27,704
performance shoe with like a 
super padded heel. 

896
00:47:27,704 --> 00:47:30,857
It feels off. 
Well, like what I also said, 

897
00:47:30,857 --> 00:47:34,116
too, it's like it kind of feels 
like what we wanted the Ghost to

898
00:47:34,116 --> 00:47:34,580
be. 
Right. 

899
00:47:34,899 --> 00:47:38,375
Where it's not like the ghost, 
like a performance Brooks shoe, 

900
00:47:38,375 --> 00:47:40,271
like the Hyperion would have 
been. 

901
00:47:40,271 --> 00:47:41,219
But like. 
Right. 

902
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,110
It's a ghost. 
It's, yeah. 

903
00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:45,154
Right. 
So. 

904
00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:48,280
Matt's got something he's 
thinking about. 

905
00:47:48,459 --> 00:47:51,889
Why are we doing stiff, thick 
heel counters in performance 

906
00:47:51,889 --> 00:47:56,000
shoes when you could make that 
lighter and get rid of those? 

907
00:47:56,219 --> 00:48:00,337
And there's lots of different 
ways to create structure there. 

908
00:48:00,337 --> 00:48:01,159
Why? 
Yeah. 

909
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,699
And then you pad it up a lot, 
which adds more material, which 

910
00:48:03,699 --> 00:48:05,520
adds just more weight. 
Like, why are you doing that? 

911
00:48:05,659 --> 00:48:08,242
If it's going to be performance,
get it lighter. 

912
00:48:08,242 --> 00:48:11,112
Strip some stuff away. 
Don't stick the same stiff heel 

913
00:48:11,112 --> 00:48:14,243
counter. 
So, but what I do like about 

914
00:48:14,243 --> 00:48:17,769
this one more than those other 
ones is that it has some give to

915
00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:21,300
it. 
So the upper of the Ghost Amp is

916
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:24,100
slightly more stretchy than like
the Mach 7. 

917
00:48:24,919 --> 00:48:29,120
And so that gives me a little 
bit in the toe box in comparison

918
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,202
to the other ones. 
But so I think it's that's why 

919
00:48:33,202 --> 00:48:36,925
it ranked higher for me is that 
it actually gave me some of the 

920
00:48:36,925 --> 00:48:38,780
accommodation that the other 
ones did not. 

921
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,729
That's interesting. 
You said I had the exact 

922
00:48:42,729 --> 00:48:45,644
opposite experience where I got 
a little bit more stretch from 

923
00:48:45,644 --> 00:48:49,354
the Mach 7 and just felt like 
the amp was stiff and kind of 

924
00:48:49,354 --> 00:48:51,990
the weird volume set up. 
Just I didn't have the mobile 

925
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:54,239
and I would want to have it 
adapt to my foot. 

926
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,590
Yeah, I kind of agree with Klein
where I feel like— but I feel 

927
00:48:57,590 --> 00:49:00,714
like the Ghost Amp has more 
volume up front. just like 

928
00:49:00,714 --> 00:49:04,080
noticeable space there. 
So like, even though it may not 

929
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,447
have gave quite as much, even if
it just gave a little bit, like 

930
00:49:08,447 --> 00:49:11,048
it felt like it was a lot. 
So, right. 

931
00:49:11,048 --> 00:49:13,360
But I agree with Klein on that 
one. 

932
00:49:14,739 --> 00:49:18,579
I think what I'm feeling is the 
volume allows it to move then, 

933
00:49:18,579 --> 00:49:20,939
you know, more than the actual 
upper itself. 

934
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,140
That makes sense. 
The fact that there's volume, it

935
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:27,440
can move to somewhere. 
Yeah. 

936
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,054
Number two. or did you go three 
yet, Matt? 

937
00:49:32,054 --> 00:49:33,053
Sorry. 
My bad. 

938
00:49:33,053 --> 00:49:35,395
Number three. 
No, I didn't. 

939
00:49:35,395 --> 00:49:38,323
I didn't go three. 
It's okay. 

940
00:49:38,323 --> 00:49:42,369
So, um, yeah. 
Puma Deviate Pure Nitro, David, 

941
00:49:42,369 --> 00:49:45,600
um, is my number three. 
I do like, I do like the upper 

942
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,756
in this shoe. 
I will, and it got better. 

943
00:49:47,756 --> 00:49:50,000
It just took time. 
And I have the same issue that 

944
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,881
Nathan had. 
We're just like, kind of like 

945
00:49:51,881 --> 00:49:55,092
just too much here, a little bit
too tapered, but that broke in 

946
00:49:55,092 --> 00:49:57,680
and granted I have 100 miles on 
this shoe. 

947
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,472
So it does break in with time. 
But initially, yeah, just a 

948
00:50:01,472 --> 00:50:04,591
little bit more snug up there 
than I would have wanted. 

949
00:50:04,591 --> 00:50:07,170
And probably a little bit more 
material than I would have 

950
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:08,316
wanted. 
Just a little more thicker. 

951
00:50:08,316 --> 00:50:10,957
I feel like they could have like
Puma can do uppers really well. 

952
00:50:10,957 --> 00:50:12,693
We've seen this in their like 
racing line. 

953
00:50:12,693 --> 00:50:15,713
It just would have nice to have 
this be a little bit lighter. 

954
00:50:15,713 --> 00:50:17,508
But that may have compromised 
the durability. 

955
00:50:17,508 --> 00:50:19,798
Who knows of what they were 
looking for. 

956
00:50:19,798 --> 00:50:22,480
But yeah, comfortable, but not 
exactly what I wanted. 

957
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,563
Cool. 
Matt, you can start us with 

958
00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:28,824
number two that way I won't 
forget you oh no why don't you 

959
00:50:28,824 --> 00:50:32,760
I'm still trying to decide what 
somebody else go because I mean 

960
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:41,243
well I'm ready David you go yeah
so number two for me is the puma

961
00:50:41,243 --> 00:50:44,618
deviate pure nitro uh it's funny
because a lot of the stuff you 

962
00:50:44,618 --> 00:50:47,084
said about the Fila shoe is how 
I feel about this shoe and I 

963
00:50:47,084 --> 00:50:49,821
feel like the volume's a little 
bit lower a little bit snug 

964
00:50:49,821 --> 00:50:53,056
material is a little thicker but
I do feel like it has a stretch 

965
00:50:53,056 --> 00:50:56,292
to it and I feel like it 
stretches and just kind of hugs 

966
00:50:56,292 --> 00:50:59,111
the foot pretty well and that 
sensation you were describing 

967
00:50:59,111 --> 00:51:02,985
earlier is kind of how I feel 
with this shoe and I think 

968
00:51:02,985 --> 00:51:06,159
there's other uppers out there 
that I like better but for the 

969
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,967
most part it fits my foot pretty
well and it hugs it well without

970
00:51:09,967 --> 00:51:13,999
being overly snug and the mesh 
material itself is on the softer

971
00:51:13,999 --> 00:51:18,303
end as well so it's just kind of
a nice cozy upper that can still

972
00:51:18,303 --> 00:51:21,682
go fast I agree it probably 
could be a little bit thinner if

973
00:51:21,682 --> 00:51:24,880
it's going to be a performance 
shoe, but it's still pretty 

974
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,298
comfortable for me. 
That's my number two. 

975
00:51:27,298 --> 00:51:30,650
My number two is the Corsa from 
Diadora. 

976
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:36,448
So this is the one that I would 
call a good upper for my 

977
00:51:36,448 --> 00:51:39,224
preferences. 
And what makes it good for me, 

978
00:51:39,224 --> 00:51:43,076
they really nailed the padding 
from the tongue around the heel 

979
00:51:43,076 --> 00:51:44,868
for me. 
I think that it's really 

980
00:51:44,868 --> 00:51:48,023
comfortable and I can lace it 
down if I really want to and 

981
00:51:48,023 --> 00:51:50,262
it's not going to bother the top
of my foot. 

982
00:51:50,262 --> 00:51:54,129
I didn't have the problem with 
the decal at all, thankfully. 

983
00:51:54,129 --> 00:51:59,100
It just felt really secure yet 
roomy through the midfoot. 

984
00:52:00,399 --> 00:52:05,722
The forefoot is tapered and it's
definitely a stiffer upper, but 

985
00:52:05,722 --> 00:52:10,646
for some reason with my foot 
shape and how it's working, like

986
00:52:10,646 --> 00:52:14,559
most of the taper is on the 
lateral side and it didn't bump 

987
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,438
into me at all. 
And so I didn't have, I didn't 

988
00:52:17,438 --> 00:52:20,199
have a problem with it. 
I think that they could just, 

989
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:26,114
you know, pull that slightly out
and you would have a even better

990
00:52:26,114 --> 00:52:30,024
shoe and a better fit. 
They could also take the vamp, 

991
00:52:30,024 --> 00:52:33,417
which is like the height and 
just bring it up just a touch. 

992
00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:36,010
But I, I really like the 
security of the upper. 

993
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:38,805
And then when I was running in 
this, it just felt like it 

994
00:52:38,805 --> 00:52:40,963
disappeared because it wasn't 
pushing in anywhere. 

995
00:52:40,963 --> 00:52:44,058
Though I think again, because 
it's not an accommodating upper 

996
00:52:44,058 --> 00:52:47,663
none of these really have a ton 
of stretch to them you got to 

997
00:52:47,663 --> 00:52:51,064
nail the fit of the toe box and 
the taper and I think that 

998
00:52:51,064 --> 00:52:53,632
there's just a little bit that 
could that was left to be 

999
00:52:53,632 --> 00:52:58,005
desired there but again the 
padding wise was great so that's

1000
00:52:58,005 --> 00:53:03,961
why it was my number two Matt 
you ready I'm gonna go with the 

1001
00:53:03,961 --> 00:53:07,744
azura for number two and I 
granted I do like this upper I 

1002
00:53:07,744 --> 00:53:11,992
like this shoe in general um i I
do feel like it was a little 

1003
00:53:11,992 --> 00:53:13,088
bit... 
Endorphin insert, fine. 

1004
00:53:13,088 --> 00:53:15,820
It was a little bit lower volume
that I wanted. 

1005
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,780
It is secure, which is really, 
really nice. 

1006
00:53:18,909 --> 00:53:21,573
And again, I've done tons of 
tempos and long runs and all 

1007
00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:25,319
kinds of stuff in this shoe. 
I just wish it was a teeny bit 

1008
00:53:25,319 --> 00:53:27,239
lighter, but it is really nice 
and secure. 

1009
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,376
The main difference between this
and the next shoe is I would not

1010
00:53:31,376 --> 00:53:33,820
wear this shoe casually. 
Like, running in it, great. 

1011
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,088
But if I was going to wear it 
casually, it doesn't check that 

1012
00:53:37,088 --> 00:53:38,760
box, which is not supposed to. 
For fit. 

1013
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:40,441
But the next for fit. 
Yeah. 

1014
00:53:40,441 --> 00:53:43,334
The next shoe versatility wise 
in the upper is what really 

1015
00:53:43,334 --> 00:53:45,437
impressed me. 
It's not my favorite upper of 

1016
00:53:45,437 --> 00:53:47,620
all time, but it impressed me 
quite a bit. 

1017
00:53:47,669 --> 00:53:51,569
So I do like this shoe for its 
security, but comfort kind of 

1018
00:53:51,569 --> 00:53:54,560
not didn't hit quite as much as 
the last one. 

1019
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,344
Why don't you go straight into 
that last one? 

1020
00:53:57,344 --> 00:53:59,808
Sure. 
So I will go with the Diadora 

1021
00:53:59,808 --> 00:54:02,639
Corsa for my most comfortable 
fit, which was really surprising

1022
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:06,128
because I've actually struggled 
with Diadora's fits, especially 

1023
00:54:06,128 --> 00:54:09,002
because they're usually super 
tapered in the forefoot and this

1024
00:54:09,002 --> 00:54:11,364
is actually not that much of an 
exception but I think there's 

1025
00:54:11,364 --> 00:54:14,892
some things that helped it and 
not shoes that I would have worn

1026
00:54:14,892 --> 00:54:17,629
normally just because a lot of 
times their heel counters are 

1027
00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:20,515
really stiff which this one has 
a stiff counter but I feel like 

1028
00:54:20,515 --> 00:54:23,837
they padded this so well and it 
was just all in the right spots 

1029
00:54:23,837 --> 00:54:26,625
that it actually worked very 
well as a casual shoe for me 

1030
00:54:26,625 --> 00:54:29,160
also again the higher drop kind 
of helps with some of the stuff 

1031
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,069
I've been dealing with but I 
walk through airports with this 

1032
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:35,510
I walk casually with this the 
upper is not the most roomy 

1033
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:38,491
thing in the world except 
ironically a little bit in the 

1034
00:54:38,491 --> 00:54:41,967
midfoot and some of the higher 
volume in the forefoot just get 

1035
00:54:41,967 --> 00:54:45,499
broken really nicely and give a 
really comfortable fit very soft

1036
00:54:45,499 --> 00:54:49,303
and comfortable against foot 
feel so I will say this is the 

1037
00:54:49,303 --> 00:54:52,923
most comfortable of the five 
that we have talked about really

1038
00:54:52,923 --> 00:54:57,037
enjoyed it good yeah I think 
dimension wise that one probably

1039
00:54:57,037 --> 00:54:59,996
fits where you could lifestyle 
it a little bit more we both 

1040
00:54:59,996 --> 00:55:02,770
have the same number one I think
that's where you were going with

1041
00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:05,830
that yeah so for me it's a 
Saucony Endorphin Azura for my 

1042
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:10,095
number one and that was Klein's 
number two so I mean I guess 

1043
00:55:10,095 --> 00:55:14,278
that's a consensus overall um 
right there but I feel like it 

1044
00:55:14,278 --> 00:55:17,623
just fits my foot really well it
doesn't they all taper a little 

1045
00:55:17,623 --> 00:55:21,879
bit but I feel like the toe box 
is a little bit wider on this 

1046
00:55:21,879 --> 00:55:25,432
one volume's a touch low but 
it's not bad you know it's 

1047
00:55:25,432 --> 00:55:29,211
enough to still allow for some 
toes play and like you can 

1048
00:55:29,211 --> 00:55:33,211
easily hammer long runs in this 
shoe um the tongue is padded 

1049
00:55:33,211 --> 00:55:36,855
really well while still not 
being super thick it's like just

1050
00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:40,783
a moderately padded tongue and 
if I pull it up to the screen 

1051
00:55:40,783 --> 00:55:43,695
yeah you can see it's like 
almost serrated let me see if I 

1052
00:55:43,695 --> 00:55:46,929
could pull those laces down for 
those people trying to watch 

1053
00:55:46,929 --> 00:55:50,674
this but you can see there's 
like gaps in there like just 

1054
00:55:50,674 --> 00:55:54,244
kind of like little grooves and 
so there's like certain areas 

1055
00:55:54,244 --> 00:55:58,326
where like when you like lace 
the laces down tighter it has a 

1056
00:55:58,326 --> 00:56:02,583
little bit of extra padding but 
not where it's not needed and I 

1057
00:56:02,583 --> 00:56:05,545
feel like it just holds my foot 
really well the heel collar is a

1058
00:56:05,545 --> 00:56:09,360
little bit stiff on the counter 
but I had no issues with it I 

1059
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,123
actually don't mind it so um I 
think it just supports my foot 

1060
00:56:13,123 --> 00:56:16,042
really well now I don't think I 
would really lifestyle this shoe

1061
00:56:16,042 --> 00:56:19,700
anyways you know just kind of 
the looks of it um but it works 

1062
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:23,820
really well for my foot and it's
an easy shoe to just put on and 

1063
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,802
slip on. 
I feel like a lot of the 

1064
00:56:25,802 --> 00:56:28,199
endorphin shoes have always fit 
pretty well for the most part. 

1065
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,766
Outside of what was it? 
Endorphin Pro 4, 5 that really 

1066
00:56:32,766 --> 00:56:36,806
didn't agree with me where I 
like tore up my Achilles. 

1067
00:56:36,806 --> 00:56:38,745
I'm trying to remember which one
that was. 

1068
00:56:38,745 --> 00:56:39,471
That's right. 
Yeah. 

1069
00:56:39,471 --> 00:56:43,399
Other than that specific model, 
whichever one that was, um, for 

1070
00:56:43,399 --> 00:56:46,092
the most part, they've always 
agreed with me. 

1071
00:56:46,092 --> 00:56:50,890
So yeah, I I think endorphin 
Azura is my pick for the top 

1072
00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:55,404
upper of those five. 
Yeah, I have it as my top as 

1073
00:56:55,404 --> 00:56:57,260
well. 
I think a few things. 

1074
00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:59,320
I know you had said maybe a 
little lower volume. 

1075
00:56:59,449 --> 00:57:02,190
I think that's the thing I like 
the most about this one was it 

1076
00:57:02,190 --> 00:57:05,827
had just it felt like more. 
And maybe part of that is where 

1077
00:57:05,827 --> 00:57:09,199
my foot has the most volume and 
how that matches the shoe. 

1078
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,196
But I think another part is kind
of their lacing system goes down

1079
00:57:13,196 --> 00:57:15,868
a little bit. 
This is really minor, but it 

1080
00:57:15,868 --> 00:57:18,639
goes down a little bit from that
last lace. 

1081
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:22,341
Whereas if you look at all the 
other ones we're testing, that 

1082
00:57:22,341 --> 00:57:25,895
kind of plastic part that holds 
the lacing system is all 

1083
00:57:25,895 --> 00:57:29,645
connected right up at the top. 
So I think that because it's 

1084
00:57:29,645 --> 00:57:32,899
open, it allows it to open up a 
little bit at that transition 

1085
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,550
between the midfoot and the 
forefoot. 

1086
00:57:34,550 --> 00:57:37,000
And that for me is an important 
part for space. 

1087
00:57:37,479 --> 00:57:41,430
So I felt like my big toe had a 
lot of room, which is my 

1088
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:44,243
priority right now. 
I think that the taper is the 

1089
00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:46,139
most gradual on the lateral side
as well. 

1090
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,159
So I think from a space 
perspective and then lockdown, 

1091
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:50,919
you, David, you talked about the
padding. 

1092
00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:55,968
Azura was, for me, I put it on. 
I was like, oh, this fits me 

1093
00:57:55,968 --> 00:57:58,167
great. 
This has the best accommodation 

1094
00:57:58,167 --> 00:58:00,959
where I'm not feeling any issues
at all. 

1095
00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:03,872
The other one, like even when I 
put on the Diadora, I was like, 

1096
00:58:03,872 --> 00:58:06,060
ooh, is this going to open up 
for me as I go? 

1097
00:58:06,139 --> 00:58:09,040
It did open up, but I didn't 
know for sure. 

1098
00:58:10,919 --> 00:58:15,262
So now what we get to do is talk
about up these five, what is our

1099
00:58:15,262 --> 00:58:20,570
top shoe that we would go by to 
use because it would be our top 

1100
00:58:20,570 --> 00:58:23,604
pick and how much did fit 
influence that? 

1101
00:58:23,604 --> 00:58:27,470
And you could also answer, are 
there other ones that were on 

1102
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:30,120
your list that either vaulted 
way up your like performance 

1103
00:58:30,439 --> 00:58:32,599
list or way down because of the 
fit? 

1104
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,291
That'd be curious to hear 
because we're kind of asking 

1105
00:58:35,291 --> 00:58:38,338
that like which one outweighs? 
Is it the, is it the feel of the

1106
00:58:38,338 --> 00:58:41,011
midsole and the performance or 
is it how much does fit limit 

1107
00:58:41,011 --> 00:58:44,365
your ability to get a shoe so 
what Matt what's your top pick 

1108
00:58:44,365 --> 00:58:49,480
for performance so the azura is 
my top pick it's the the upper 

1109
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,593
is good it wasn't perfect but it
is good the it's a stable 

1110
00:58:53,593 --> 00:58:56,816
neutral design it's light it 
rolls super well it matches who 

1111
00:58:56,816 --> 00:59:00,594
I am and what I'd be looking 
for— like I got 100 miles on 

1112
00:59:00,594 --> 00:59:03,441
this shoe easily this would be 
the one shoe I'd keep buying if 

1113
00:59:03,441 --> 00:59:06,766
I wasn't doing doctors are 
running for sure just because it

1114
00:59:06,766 --> 00:59:10,503
fits all the components combined
together works so well together 

1115
00:59:10,503 --> 00:59:13,855
and I'm also looking for that 
structure obviously I'm the 

1116
00:59:13,855 --> 00:59:17,890
stability guy so looking for 
that as well um puma would 

1117
00:59:17,890 --> 00:59:21,500
probably be number two even 
though it wasn't my favorite 

1118
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,418
upper the other components 
lifted up for the a little bit 

1119
00:59:24,418 --> 00:59:27,197
more versatility a little bit 
more structure it breaks in 

1120
00:59:27,197 --> 00:59:30,889
super well um so yeah just some 
differences in that but some of 

1121
00:59:30,889 --> 00:59:35,153
the other stuff like you know 
the Mach and the Brooks Ghost 

1122
00:59:35,153 --> 00:59:39,144
Amp would still be in similar 
places just because of the 

1123
00:59:39,144 --> 00:59:41,169
overall performance of those 
shoes and they don't have 

1124
00:59:41,169 --> 00:59:44,095
exactly the things that I'm 
looking for and Diadora would be

1125
00:59:44,095 --> 00:59:46,867
in the middle at number three 
only because it's a it's a good 

1126
00:59:46,867 --> 00:59:49,589
shoe and the price makes a lot 
better but it doesn't have that 

1127
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:51,942
little extra bit of structure 
that I would want and the like 

1128
00:59:51,942 --> 00:59:54,841
speed versatility that the other
two have and this one kind of is

1129
00:59:54,841 --> 00:59:58,274
the best of what I'd be looking 
for yeah so the performance 

1130
00:59:58,274 --> 01:00:01,979
because the upper wasn't a deal 
breaker the performance didn't 

1131
01:00:02,459 --> 01:00:05,801
the performance of the upper 
didn't outweigh like how it 

1132
01:00:05,801 --> 01:00:09,102
actually ran because you wanted 
your number two vaulted number 

1133
01:00:09,102 --> 01:00:12,390
one your pure jumped up to you 
dropped Diadora even though it 

1134
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:16,801
was your best fit it dropped 
down so yeah I I will say saying

1135
01:00:16,801 --> 01:00:19,760
number one doesn't do this 
justice because the performance 

1136
01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:22,384
and the structure like really 
vaulted quite a bit farther 

1137
01:00:22,384 --> 01:00:26,379
ahead of the other ones cool so 
that's just for me my number one

1138
01:00:26,379 --> 01:00:30,799
is the Diadora Corsa which was 
my number two for fit I think 

1139
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:35,560
for me right now fit is kind of 
a deal breaker I have a it's 

1140
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,398
almost like as long as it passes
a threshold I'll choose it based

1141
01:00:39,398 --> 01:00:42,467
on the midsole feel and some 
other components as well but 

1142
01:00:42,467 --> 01:00:46,440
because of what I'm still coming
out of with my toe stuff and 

1143
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,561
just making sure that that is in
a good space the fit is an 

1144
01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:52,908
important part. 
There's a couple of these shoes 

1145
01:00:52,908 --> 01:00:55,520
that just like dropped way down 
because of that. 

1146
01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:00,465
Not just the upper and I'll get 
to that in a second, but I love 

1147
01:01:00,465 --> 01:01:03,582
the midsole of this shoe. 
For me, it hits that perfect 

1148
01:01:03,582 --> 01:01:07,034
sweet spot for daily training of
not too soft, but you just get a

1149
01:01:07,034 --> 01:01:10,000
little bit of pop. 
It rolls a little bit, but you 

1150
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,340
have a little flexibility. 
So I've really just enjoyed 

1151
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,440
miles in this shoe. 
And because the upper is giving 

1152
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,164
me everything that I need for 
daily training, It's up there at

1153
01:01:19,164 --> 01:01:21,724
my number one from a just 
enjoyment and running standpoint

1154
01:01:21,724 --> 01:01:28,575
of the ones that are here. 
The one that is number two is 

1155
01:01:28,575 --> 01:01:33,684
actually the Pure, which was my 
number four on my three. 

1156
01:01:33,684 --> 01:01:37,172
I can't remember now. 
Yeah, on my list. 

1157
01:01:37,172 --> 01:01:40,687
And even though the upper wasn't
perfect, again, it wasn't a deal

1158
01:01:40,687 --> 01:01:43,484
breaker. 
And I love the midsole of this 

1159
01:01:43,484 --> 01:01:46,220
shoe too, overall. 
And you just get that little bit

1160
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:49,119
of flexibility and you still 
have a bit of a rocker, which is

1161
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,899
important for me right now with 
my toe. 

1162
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,100
So that was my that would be my 
number two for performance. 

1163
01:01:54,489 --> 01:01:57,884
The one that dropped all the way
down to my number five was the 

1164
01:01:57,884 --> 01:01:59,820
Azura because it's exactly what 
I don't want. 

1165
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,387
And I don't need an issue. 
And which is the opposite of 

1166
01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:06,039
y'all, because I know, David, 
you like the Azura, too, just in

1167
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:08,139
general. 
It's a late stage rocker. 

1168
01:02:08,449 --> 01:02:11,001
I don't get along with late 
stage rockers like every late 

1169
01:02:11,001 --> 01:02:13,943
stage rocker shoe that we've had
over the last while. especially 

1170
01:02:13,943 --> 01:02:16,375
racing stuff has not gotten 
along with me. 

1171
01:02:16,375 --> 01:02:18,500
I also deal with lateral ankle 
instability. 

1172
01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:22,670
And so you look at kind of where
the, the cutout is on the 

1173
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:26,181
lateral side of the shoe. 
I just feel like it's bringing 

1174
01:02:26,181 --> 01:02:28,755
me to the outside. 
It's just everything I don't 

1175
01:02:28,755 --> 01:02:30,593
want. 
So despite having a great upper,

1176
01:02:30,593 --> 01:02:33,134
it would drop down. 
It's not a shoe that I would 

1177
01:02:33,134 --> 01:02:36,576
personally go out and, and get, 
whereas some of these other ones

1178
01:02:36,576 --> 01:02:38,399
I would. 
David, what's your number one? 

1179
01:02:39,899 --> 01:02:44,015
Yeah, so my number one, it's 
kind of a toss up and this is 

1180
01:02:44,015 --> 01:02:47,249
still like something that'll 
probably be going all the way up

1181
01:02:47,249 --> 01:02:51,071
until the end of the year, which
we don't have that much time 

1182
01:02:51,071 --> 01:02:53,129
now. 
I mean, what, it's like three 

1183
01:02:53,129 --> 01:02:56,357
ish months now. 
So I'm just going to toss a coin

1184
01:02:56,357 --> 01:02:58,994
and just kind of like put them 
both up. 

1185
01:02:58,994 --> 01:03:03,264
Unfortunately, I hate to cheat. 
I will have a decision by the 

1186
01:03:03,264 --> 01:03:06,576
end of the year but that is 
going to be between my number 

1187
01:03:06,576 --> 01:03:09,942
one and two on the fits and 
that's going to be the Saucony 

1188
01:03:09,942 --> 01:03:12,659
Endorphin Azura. a lot of things
I love— structured rockered ride

1189
01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:17,280
PWRRUN PB is a nice foam, 
responsive, good fitting upper, 

1190
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:23,715
honestly it's really good you 
know I like it a lot but I think

1191
01:03:23,715 --> 01:03:28,053
where the structure is nice— and
the Endorphin Azura, the Deviate

1192
01:03:28,053 --> 01:03:31,460
Pure Nitro— I actually like that
nimbleness to it where it just 

1193
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:33,800
feels light. 
I can just, I kind of navigate 

1194
01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:36,943
however I want to step and the 
foam is good. 

1195
01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,959
It's lightweight and responsive.
The traction's good. 

1196
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:42,240
Traction's probably better on 
the Puma Deviate Pure Nitro than

1197
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,289
the Endorphin Azura, you know, 
where they kind of have these 

1198
01:03:45,289 --> 01:03:47,872
like podular type pieces of 
rubber where this is a little 

1199
01:03:47,872 --> 01:03:51,855
bit more full contact almost in 
the Puma Deviate Pure Nitro. 

1200
01:03:51,855 --> 01:03:56,260
So from a performance 
standpoint, I feel like I, I 

1201
01:03:56,260 --> 01:03:58,890
like the deviate pure nitro a 
lot and I like the endorphin 

1202
01:03:58,890 --> 01:04:01,839
azura a lot and I think I just 
got to really decide between the

1203
01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:04,464
two by the end of the year like 
one of them is probably going to

1204
01:04:04,464 --> 01:04:07,512
be getting an award for me most 
likely when it's all said and 

1205
01:04:07,512 --> 01:04:10,748
done and I still don't know 
which one is going to get it you

1206
01:04:10,748 --> 01:04:13,674
know and so that's where I hate 
to cheat you know but I like 

1207
01:04:13,674 --> 01:04:17,293
both of these a lot what's funny
is the one that made the jump 

1208
01:04:17,293 --> 01:04:19,899
for me is actually the Diadora 
Corsa that'd be my number three 

1209
01:04:19,899 --> 01:04:23,727
and so I actually really like 
the midsole I like the geometry 

1210
01:04:23,727 --> 01:04:26,660
I like everything about this 
It's just those kind of few 

1211
01:04:26,660 --> 01:04:28,419
quirks with the upper that I 
don't love. 

1212
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:32,080
But it's not like they're so bad
that it's a deal breaker. 

1213
01:04:32,260 --> 01:04:34,760
When I was running in it, I like
how you said for daily training,

1214
01:04:34,879 --> 01:04:37,926
I think out of all of them, like
this one is really smooth at 

1215
01:04:37,926 --> 01:04:40,780
daily miles. 
I feel like it lacks a little 

1216
01:04:40,780 --> 01:04:44,619
bit of that versatility to go 
fast as like compared to the 

1217
01:04:44,619 --> 01:04:47,389
Azura, Endorphin Azura, and 
Deviate Pure Nitro. 

1218
01:04:47,389 --> 01:04:50,840
But, um... 
Sorry, I love how you 

1219
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,476
self-corrected there quick. 
You're like, oh, I can't call me

1220
01:04:53,476 --> 01:04:54,974
out. 
I mean, I didn't call you guys 

1221
01:04:54,974 --> 01:04:58,145
out the last two times. 
He could have said Endorphin, 

1222
01:04:58,145 --> 01:05:03,651
and you could have said DV 
Nitro, but I let it slide. 

1223
01:05:03,651 --> 01:05:06,399
Anyways. 
Yeah, it's a nice shoe. 

1224
01:05:06,659 --> 01:05:10,179
It's a really nice shoe. 
It helps that it complements my 

1225
01:05:10,179 --> 01:05:13,699
Golden State Warriors colors, 
but I like the Corsa a lot. 

1226
01:05:13,989 --> 01:05:16,634
I just, I don't think it has 
quite the upside of the other 

1227
01:05:16,634 --> 01:05:20,101
two models, but if, I mean, at 
the price point, it's great, you

1228
01:05:20,101 --> 01:05:22,689
know, and I think I would choose
it over the Brooks Ghost Amp and

1229
01:05:22,689 --> 01:05:24,596
Hoka Mach 7. 
Well, this is fantastic. 

1230
01:05:24,596 --> 01:05:26,836
Everyone, thank you for joining 
us for this conversation. 

1231
01:05:26,836 --> 01:05:30,295
We'd love to hear if you have 
thoughts about what is that 

1232
01:05:30,295 --> 01:05:33,185
intersection point for you 
between having the right fit and

1233
01:05:33,185 --> 01:05:36,429
then having a shoe that has the 
right level of performance. 

1234
01:05:36,429 --> 01:05:40,422
Is there a range of shoes that 
have a good enough fit and then 

1235
01:05:40,422 --> 01:05:42,743
you're only looking at 
performance or how important is 

1236
01:05:42,743 --> 01:05:46,480
fit to you in the conversation? 
Thank you all for joining us. 

1237
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,454
If you are wanting to give us 
ideas for what you'd like to 

1238
01:05:50,454 --> 01:05:53,478
hear from us, talk about, you 
can email us at 

1239
01:05:53,478 --> 01:05:55,890
doctorsofrunning@gmail.com and 
we'd love to include it in a 

1240
01:05:55,890 --> 01:05:56,399
future episode.