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Hello everybody, and welcome to 
the Doctors of Running podcast 

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where we, a group of doctors, 
physical therapy, discuss the 

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art and science of running and 
the stuff that we put on our 

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feet today. 
At the round table is Doctor 

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Matthew Klein, the founder of 
Doctors Running, and myself, 

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Nathan Brown. 
I'm a contributor as well, and 

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we are going to be having a 
pretty unique episode to what we

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usually do tonight, what we're 
going to do. 

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We do have some two topics that 
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We're going to discuss some 
differences that we have seen 

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between shoes that are good for 
walking versus those that may be

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good for running or which ones 
have some overlap between the 

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two types of movement. 
And then we're going to talk 

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about a category of shoe that 
Matt is testing a recent shoe 

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in. 
And I'm going to talk about some

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sizing issues that I've had this
year and how I have handled it. 

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And then we're going to work 
into a bit more of a casual 

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conversation about what it's 
like to be a dad who's also, 

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we've both changed jobs into to 
academia and teaching at 

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universities in physical therapy
programs and balancing our hobby

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of running. 
And so we're going to talk about

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what's a day in the life look 
like for us, how we manage all 

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of those different 
responsibilities and look 

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forward to hearing from you all 
in terms of how you as you're 

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balancing all of your life 
things, how you do that on your 

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end. 
And we can all learn from each 

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other and the challenges, how 
we've gone to solutions and 

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things like that. 
Before we go into all of that 

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though, we do want to remind you
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We all get along with it really 
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And so that's why we've gone 
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One thing I wanted to get your 
opinion on for our subjective is

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not all of you probably followed
when we we did a a social 

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takeover for them. 
But what we did is we gathered a

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bunch of questions and then we 
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responses to the questions over 
about 30 to 60 seconds on their 

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stories for a day. 
And what I want to hear from is 

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those of you who did follow 
that, did you like that format 

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of getting information from us? 
Because if you did, that's 

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something that we could do more 
often, even on our own channel 

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potentially, to give a little 
bit more content to some of the 

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answers. 
I know usually we do our mailbag

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episodes for the podcast, but 
we'd love to hear from you If 

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that's something that would be 
beneficial for our socials. 

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That would be great. 
But let's go into our first 

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topic for the night. 
Matt, I want to hear from you on

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this new shoe that you're 
testing and what you've been 

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thinking about regarding 
stability and this shoe. 

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Yeah, so the new shoe. 
Thanks for the intro. 

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Great as always new shoe is a 
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so I was kind of this shoes been
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Nathan was really nice enough to
be able to coordinate for a few 

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of us to get a pair and it's 
just curious because it's a very

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stand. 
What's that classic stability 

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The X 60s been around for a 
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It's been very standard where 
it's been immediately posted 

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shoe and they stood by that 
until recently where the 

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stabilities really change from 
what previously was the post. 

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Now this kind of film that 
they're using that if if I was 

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to analyze this actually looks 
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And So what I wanted to talk 
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diversifying so much is what's a
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What's a post? 
How is this compared to some of 

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the stable neutral stuff that 
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going on with that? 
And the reason I like this is 

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because this design is not 
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In fact, the last time I've seen
this, this overtly has been the 

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New Balance Vongo, which we 
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of its uniqueness. 
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like, Version 6 was very 
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We kind of lost that unique tool
that worked for a lot of people.

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And so I think it's come back in
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wanted to talk about it. 
Yeah, so talk about a little bit

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of the difference between what a
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So a a post is kind of the most 
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about when it comes to 
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disappearing really quickly in 
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A post is where they take and 
the Horizon 7 from for those of 

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you who are watching on YouTube 
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for those listening is a great 
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If there's just a firmer piece 
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medial side, there's some shoes 
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a firmer medial bit of material 
that when your foot like rolls 

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into if you are moving 
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supposed to be able to help slow
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control it better. 
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motion, as we found from the 
research, but it's just a harder

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medial piece of material that's 
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rest of the phone. 
A wedge. 

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Wedge is different than that 
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falls into, it collapses. 
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keep your foot at an angle. 
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if you're thinking like a level 
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or lift up any part of your 
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But yes, the harder you collapse
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possible changes with that, but 
the wedge actually holds your 

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foot up at an angle, usually 
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which some people work well with
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Some people may need that wedge 
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certain parts of your foot 
anatomy that might be elevated 

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or in a position that raising 
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actually helps. 
So the wedge is actually raising

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things up, rather than you 
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material itself, if that. 
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sense. 
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that wedges were used clinically
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their knee. 
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put a wedge that would tilt the 
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either in or out, that would 
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which would change the amount of
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of the knee. 
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it's coming back. 
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stability shoes that I ran in 
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running was the Brooks Ravenna 
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that wedge strategy as well. 
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So when you when you talk about 
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the wedge compared to the feel 
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new GT 2000 from ASICS? 
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2000 has been very different 
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internal geometry kind of thing 
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you go in. 
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understand, someone please 
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misunderstanding this, is that 
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material inside that the more 
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to actually firm up and give you
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So the gel Keanu for those 
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although they're also doing 
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medial piece of material that's 
actually softer and more 

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resilient. 
Yeah, and it actually bounces 

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your foot back out. 
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opposite. 
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definitely, this is most 
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foot and the heel, especially in
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So I did feel that pressure kind
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feeling like most people that 
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this posted, you'll feel like 
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pushing up into your heel, your 
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I immediately felt kind of like 
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along the heel and mid foot, and
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getting slightly tilted out a 
little bit, which is why I got 

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really excited when I put it on 
because I'm like, oh, this is a 

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wedge. 
Like I don't know if it's going 

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to work for me, but the fact 
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means there's going to be people
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well. 
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this shoe, that wedge design 
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of the shoe where I can feel it 
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but it's not as aggressive, but 
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medial side of your foot is just
getting raised a little bit 

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compared to the lateral. 
That shoe would be terrible for 

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me. 
Yeah, that I never got. 

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And and that's not the that's 
kind of your point is you're 

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really excited, you really like 
that the shoe exists not because

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it's the best way to do 
stability, but it's a different 

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way. 
And so having it as an option 

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may pop out at the right time, 
but for me with my like lateral 

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ankle instability, when I feel 
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like I am on the edge of 
something bad for just. 

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Those people with lateral ankle 
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go over. 
This is like a no shoe for you. 

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It's actually something I'm, I'm
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right now. 
But for like for me, I noticed 

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when I actually get my, I get 
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shoes, my IT band starts to get 
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knee. 
And as soon as I started running

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in this show, I felt that I'm 
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like stress isn't the right 
word, but a little overwhelmed 

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with getting used to a new 
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to a new academic position 
moving all of a sudden like 

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there's, there's and I'm not 
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It's like there's already a 
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I'm not ready for this shoe yet 
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irritate something. 
So I'm gonna have to back off 

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and see whether, like I said, 
even though I don't know if it's

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gonna work for me, that doesn't 
mean it's not a good shoe 

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because it's an option that we 
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certain populations. 
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That's great. 
Anything else you want to say 

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about the shoe before we move 
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Yeah, it is lighter than I 
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It's still in that kind of like 
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specs, but it's like 10.510 
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So it's definitely not light, 
but it's it feels much lighter 

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and much smoother than the prior
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I think version 13 was kind of a
little bit more that traditional

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slightly clunky stability shoe. 
This has really gotten to that 

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much more rocker smoother, a 
little bit stiffer, but adding 

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that wedge component makes it 
definitely feel like a unique 

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product that I'm very excited to
see and get more miles on and 

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and hopefully help people that 
are looking for that specific 

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product find it if it works for 
them. 

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All right. 
The other thing that we wanted 

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to talk about before we got into
the full part of this episode is

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something that I've experienced 
this year in terms of shoe fit. 

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And so something that doctors 
are running that we are trying 

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to improve on and do differently
is that if there is a shoe that 

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we get in our typical size and 
it doesn't fit how we'd want, we

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like, oh, if only this was a 
little bit bigger, I might 

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actually like it. 
What we're going to do is we're 

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going to try to have the 
opportunity to test in the size 

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up or down depending on what we 
have going on. 

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So I've done that for two 
particular models this year and 

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it's worked out fantastic. 
And I and I want to talk about 

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those two. 
So they are the SC Trainer 

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version three from New Balance 
and the Deviate three from Puma.

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And so when I tested the SC 
Trainer version 2, the way that 

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the upper was cut on the lateral
side and even on the medial side

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where it was tapering in I, I, 
it was too tight and it was 

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encroaching my feet and it was 
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I got blisters. 
It was not not super great. 

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And then I didn't even run in 
version two of the Deviate Nitro

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because of how low volume the 
upper was. 

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I just put it on and I've been 
going through my foot stuff and 

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I was like, I'm not going to do 
it. 

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So this time I'm usually men's 
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I got men's size 9 1/2. 
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probably fit a little bit long, 
the amount of volume that has 

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been given to me in this early 
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the taper is now directed 
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It's really fit fantastic for 
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efforts and getting kind of some
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of these models. 
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across the board with Puma, half
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that I'm going to go in the 
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They've all been fitting a bit 
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models for myself. 
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talked about this on the podcast
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then even some of their higher 
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those shoes, they all fit really
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severe taper in the forefoot 
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I'm going to be going half size 
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this year to try half size up 
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And I just wanted to share which
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me with that. 
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very hypocritical that we, I've 
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should not be married to your 
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about this, trying to get the 
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But as brands come out, there's 
variations in sizes that happen.

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Just, you know, 1 shoe between 1
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model might not fit the same. 
You have to be ready to go. 

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You know, what if I actually 
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for me and all the other parts, 
I might want to consider a 

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different size just to make sure
things are lining up. 

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Comfort is really important, so 
don't get married to your size. 

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Although I am struggling with 
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being a size 10. 
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the Brooks Ghost Max 2 is one of
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that I really should have gone. 
You know what, I really need to 

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consider 1/2 size up. 
But I didn't and ran through it 

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with some blisters and some mild
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I'm going to get the miles and 
move on. 

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But yeah, we try to make those 
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and people, especially anybody 
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lot better than me, but my feet 
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And so I'm getting closer to 
what I suspect to be almost a 10

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1/2. 
And it's funny you said that 

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with the SC trainer version 3 is
I have the same thing where it 

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just fits slightly short and 
tapered on me. 

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I'm like, should I have done? 
Yeah. 

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A 10 1/2. 
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this one I is that the heel is 
wider, so like I have to snug it

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down a little bit on the SC 
trainer. 

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The volume through the heel and 
the midfoot is a little big, but

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the length and volume at the 
four foot's awesome. 

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This shoe. 
If I got a size down, I would 

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not be able to run in it because
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The deviate Nitro 3 is pretty, 
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but it good snug because it's 
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It's a stretchy upper, so it 
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All right, let's transition into
our conversation planet, which 

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just like, what's it like being,
you know, switching jobs to 

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being a professor now at George 
Fox too? 

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You've moved up north a little 
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then you've got a new baby kind 
of now you're over a year into 

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Isabella's life, right? 
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married and you've got a new 
house. 

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And so I want to hear from you 
just like, what is a typical day

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look like for you juggling all 
of those different things? 

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What's the structure of your 
day? 

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Yeah. 
We kind of want to talk about 

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this by the way, because we know
that being a parent and trying 

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to be a runner and balance the 
stuff is really hard and we are 

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also trying to learn as well. 
But I, I will say one of the 

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easiest things, I'm very lucky 
that both my wife and I are 

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runner. 
She's, you know, the pro runner.

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And so that's kind of how we 
met. 

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We're also very lucky that we 
have a running stroller that we 

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can use in areas that are safe 
to use that. 

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But every morning, pretty much 
the start of our day is run. 

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It's it's also me like dragging 
Regina and Isabella out of bed, 

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trying to get everybody ready 
and getting coffee ready because

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I'm the morning. 
Person. 

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OK, hold on. 
Yeah. 

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So. 
OK, So what time do you wake up?

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So typically my like mental 
alarm clock. 

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Also, the cats wake me up at 
about 5530. 

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OK, and then are you waking? 
I'll Isabella up from sleep. 

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Sometimes. 
OK. 

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And what time do you guys get 
off the door? 

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I'm just curious. 
Yeah, it's Regina that I'm 

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trying to wake up because I'm 
afraid to wake up Isabella 

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because she sometimes doesn't 
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So I've definitely changed 
diapers while she was still 

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asleep early in the morning. 
We're still Co sleeping by the 

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way. 
We have not made sure bet her 

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room is ready, but we have not 
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her to sleep on her own yet. 
We're going to slowly work on 

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it. 
But yeah, it's usually me waking

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up Regina and then me going and 
getting stuff ready and then 

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trying to get those two to like 
wake up and then let's go. 

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So. 
Kind of. 

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What time are you out the door 
to run? 

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That can if it's a good day, I 
can get them out, get them, get 

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them out early by 6:00-ish. 
If it's not as great, it'll take

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till 7:00-ish and then I start 
panicking because I've got to 

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get home really quick and get to
work right. 

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Fortunately, I'm lucky in Lai 
had an hour plus drive. 

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Now I have a 10 minute drive to 
George Fox. 

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It makes life a little bit 
better. 

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That's a game changer. 
Yeah. 

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So you go, you do that run, you 
come home, you eat, shower. 

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Usually shower and then I'm like
eating something either that 

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I've made or something compact 
as I drive to George Fox. 

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Hey, what's your job like right 
now? 

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I guess it's brand new, but. 
Yeah, it's, it's just me. 

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It's been a little bit different
in terms of when I was at my 

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previous institution, I was just
thrown in. 

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I had to like create courses 
from scratch and do all this 

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stuff and it was very 
overwhelming. 

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This has been like, hey, you're,
you know, full time faculty, but

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just you're going to be 
assisting two other faculty with

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their courses and get used to 
things. 

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And I feel like I'm putting a 
lot of pressure on myself to get

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like basically be a student 
again. 

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I'm doing all the reading, I'm 
doing the assignments, I'm doing

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all the stuff. 
Just got to get figure out kind 

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of how things work here and 
getting used to true academia 

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with George Fox is really good 
about developing their faculty, 

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especially in the first year and
all the requirements and 

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learning the system and every 
all the personalities. 

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So it's, it's a lot. 
It's it's somewhat relaxed, but 

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also like taking in a lot of 
information at the. 

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Same. 
It's unsupportive. 

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It's very supportive atmosphere.
Yeah, they're constantly telling

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me like, like, am I going to 
have to do the like, calm down, 

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You're you're just relaxed. 
Like take it chill out, like 

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take it one day at a time. 
We know you're overwhelmed. 

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It's it's fine, but how do you 
handle? 

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Changes. 
How do you handle being told to 

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relax? 
Are you able to do that They. 

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Don't say it exact like that but
it's insinuated to be like 

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you're going to be OK. 
Like just breathe. 

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I think it does help me, but 
like I'm also the highly 

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caffeinated ADHD like anxious 
individual who will create 

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anxiety is for himself anyway. 
So it's like somewhat helps. 

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Like it's like it's like massage
guns or foam rolling. 

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It'll help for about like 1520 
minutes and then it'll come 

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right back so. 
What time do you get home after 

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work? 
It totally depends on what time 

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class ends. 
So I've got some days where I've

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only there for like an hour 
because this is a brief lecture.

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There's other days I'm there for
like 3 to 4 hours from like 8:00

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to 12:00. 
All my classes as far have been 

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in the morning and so the 
afternoon's off. 

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And so I'll usually rush home 
trade places with Regina and 

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she'll go to at work as a board 
certified behavior analyst. 

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And I'm with Isabella in the 
afternoon. 

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OK. 
So it can be like 1-2 O clock 

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usually. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And then do you have, how do you
fit in all of the prep and other

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work that you do? 
Because the life in academia, 

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what I'm learning is pretty, 
it's, it's this really unique 

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balance between like really 
flexible and really demanding, 

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whereas the job is never, ever, 
ever done in academia. 

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Whereas my clinic life, like 
it's the, the, my faculty 

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members that I get to work with 
are amazing. 

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They're super supportive and 
they've been doing it much 

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longer than I have. 
And so there's these 

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idiosyncrasies that I sometimes 
point out and they're like, why 

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I didn't even think about that, 
you know, like that's how that 

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works. 
Like for me jobs when I was so 

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used to being a clinician, it 
was at 8:00, the person comes in

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at 8:45, the next person comes 
in at 9:30, the next person 

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comes in and there's a start and
an end to the job. 

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You finish the paperwork and 
it's a completed task. 

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And the, the day was, and I was 
a staff PT. 

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So it was that was, you know, 
you, you saw the person you did,

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you helped them as best you 
could and you moved forward. 

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Whereas I've noticed that in 
this new job, there are about 

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303,000 tasks that need to get 
completed at some point and 

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they're never actually ever 
done. 

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And so you have to strategically
pick what you're going to work 

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on and when. 
And then I've noticed that I go 

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in with my day with a plan and 
then this one little thing pops 

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up and I actually, my whole day 
was spent on that new thing and 

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I didn't get anything on my To 
Do List done. 

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And I was like, have you ever, 
do you know, does that happen 

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for you? 
And they're like, oh, that's 

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just what this job is like. 
And, and I was like, that's a 

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unique thing about this. 
And, and I am learning now how 

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to do that and I haven't fully 
figured it out. 

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I have different systems that 
I'm developing for task 

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management and things like that,
but it's a very different thing.

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Or like the obvious too is when 
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I'm available for them. 
So that might be an hour, hour 

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and a half for with one student,
depending on their needs at that

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moment. 
And it's, it's such a rewarding.

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Job but working in academia is 
different. 

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So anyway, so I just asked you a
question then talk for like 10 

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minutes. 
I think my question was, you 

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know, you have the teaching 
side, but how do you how do you 

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fill in the rest of the 
responsibilities of your job? 

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Yeah, I'm still learning that, 
to be honest, like 3 weeks. 

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And we actually just finished 
our first week. 

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We're starting our second week 
as when this podcast comes out. 

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But it's kind of like I get to 
it when I can. 

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A lot of it's done when 
Isabella's asleep and Regina's 

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asleep, so I'm still up in the 
other room while they're out and

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like trying to get stuff done 
and, you know, seeing how much I

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can get each day. 
I think doing a PhD for years 

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really helps because you just 
like you're just grinding and 

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trying to get it done. 
But it's challenging having a 

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one year old because you can't 
just ignore her for long periods

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like she needs, you know, it's 
virgin. 

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And I have being a parent's 
really important want to be 

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present for her. 
So like trying to engage her a 

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lot when she's awake and then 
waiting for those moments when 

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she's asleep to really get stuff
done. 

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But trying to get into deep work
in those brief, potentially 

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brief or potentially long 
moments is really hard. 

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So there's a lot of like trying 
to get things done when you can.

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And a lot of it's like, I know 
of like hence the the comment on

447
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,600
my IT band and the, and the 860 
going, yeah, I'm not getting a 

448
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,600
lot of sleep right now because 
that's mostly where I can fit it

449
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,600
in. 
So if I know my sleep's getting 

450
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,960
sacrificed, I know I'm at 
greater risk for injury. 

451
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960
So I'm going to be very careful 
with what I do. 

452
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,880
I know, right. 
It's one of those, one of those 

453
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,960
things, you know, it's yeah, 
it's kind of random because I'm 

454
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,480
still building a schedule and 
having a one year old almost 

455
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,800
like takes that out. 
So it's when I can. 

456
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,720
And yeah, it's the 3000 list 
tasks that keeps adding more 

457
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,040
things. 
You're just like I there's some 

458
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,560
things I can get done. 
There's something I can't. 

459
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,320
It's a very unique job that you 
looks like flexible on paper, 

460
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,120
but there's always something you
got to be working on. 

461
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,040
And how late are you? 
How are you? 

462
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,080
Do you stay up late at night or 
what's your what's your gig with

463
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,000
that? 
Haven't you noticed some of the 

464
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,160
doctors runnings reviews that 
get finished at like 12:00 at 

465
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,800
night for some reason? 
You're like Randall Block by the

466
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,160
way, this is done that I sent it
out to the entire group and it's

467
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,000
like 12:00 twelve. 
I'm trying not to do that 

468
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,240
because I I definitely know the 
impact of a lack of sleep. 

469
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,880
But yeah, it's that that after 
9:00 is that rising grind, see 

470
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,440
how long I can stay awake and 
get whatever I can done. 

471
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,560
But. 
There have been times in our 

472
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,640
chat where Matt says I fell 
asleep while writing this 

473
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,480
review. 
I'll finish it tomorrow. 

474
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,160
So working on, I feel like we're
all works in progress on our. 

475
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,640
We're done, our work in 
progress. 

476
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,320
Yeah, yeah, I'm still definitely
learning my rhythm so. 

477
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280
Do you run every day? 
Yes, right now. 

478
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,440
Every day. 
I know that's not always advice.

479
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,240
We say don't don't always do 
what we do, but part of it is 

480
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,000
just I've always done very well 
with consistency and having some

481
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,760
kind of schedule. 
So Reggie and I definitely will 

482
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,400
run every single morning, 
whether that's an easy run, a 

483
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,480
workout or whatever. 
It's just part of our day. 

484
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,920
With Isabella in the stroller, 
there are sometimes that my 

485
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,120
brain I just need to move again.
So I I do OK the occasional like

486
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,600
shorter double in the evening 
and they'll take Isabella with 

487
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,800
me. 
Not every day anymore. 

488
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,240
I've been taking some days I'm 
like, I just need it's to just 

489
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,480
sit with Isabella or I just need
to like mess with her or I need 

490
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,160
to lift some weights. 
So that's been a good time. 

491
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,920
But at every morning for sure, 
with probably 3 to 4 double S 

492
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,880
shorter runs in the evening. 
Yeah, my, my schedule is a 

493
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,640
little bit different than yours.
I would say I have not been. 

494
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,720
Also Jana doesn't run. 
So I'm, I'm the only person who 

495
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600
enjoys running at this phase of 
our, my kids lives. 

496
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,520
And so my, my pattern is I 
usually in the run right now 

497
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,840
like three days a week. 
And when I do run, I wake up at 

498
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,600
about 4:45 and try to be able to
go to the bathroom so I don't 

499
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,440
have issues on the run. 
And then I, I usually start my 

500
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,000
run around 5:15 and try to get 
home and showered. 

501
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Our kids wake up at 7. 
And so like my goal is to have 

502
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,240
all of the running stuff done 
and showered and ready for the 

503
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,440
day by 7 so that when they get 
up, I can just be there. 

504
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,240
And so then, yeah, I do that. 
And then they get up at 7. 

505
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,760
I usually have quick breakfast 
with them and then I head out to

506
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,040
work. 
So I usually am getting to work 

507
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,360
between 7:30 and 8:00 in the 
morning. 

508
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,960
And I hang out there usually 
somewhere between 4:00 and 5:30,

509
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,520
depends on classes, depends on 
if I'm picking the kids up from 

510
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,440
school. 
I guess we're just starting a 

511
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,960
new semester. 
I, I drop the kids off once a 

512
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,920
week and I pick them up once a 
week from school. 

513
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,760
And so that puts some parameters
on when I leave and come back or

514
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,040
whatever to, to leave work. 
But yeah, then I, I kind of 

515
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720
talked about my work rhythms, 
but what I try to do at work is 

516
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,040
what I'm trying now, because 
there's so many different tasks,

517
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,800
I've tried to categorize them 
and put blocks in my schedule 

518
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,960
that are dedicated to those 
different categories of tasks. 

519
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,560
So whether if it's class course 
prep is 1 like chunk or for 

520
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,920
right now I'm working on my 
dissertation. 

521
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,600
So there's a couple of 
dissertation chunks in my day 

522
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,080
that it's just like everything 
else should get shut out, just 

523
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,600
work on the dissertation. 
And then there's other parts 

524
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,640
that it's like OK office hours 
very open for students and then 

525
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,680
advising. 
I have some advisees for school 

526
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,600
or that are in the first year 
students. 

527
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,880
And so I have chunks set aside 
for that, and I'm trying to 

528
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,840
chunk my day so that I don't get
too scattered because I feel 

529
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,760
like the most important thing to
me is whatever is staring me in 

530
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,960
the face. 
And so if I don't dedicate time 

531
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,400
ahead ahead of time, I'm going 
to miss out on doing the thing 

532
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,680
that's actually most important. 
Because I just saw an e-mail and

533
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,160
I'm going to go down that rabbit
hole. 

534
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,600
And I found that to be really 
helpful. 

535
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,960
But still, like, I'm working on 
how to actually make that 

536
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,640
operationalized. 
But that's what I'm trying to do

537
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,760
right now. 
But yeah, then I come home in 

538
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,200
the evening. 
I never run double S ever. 

539
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,880
But yeah, the evenings are like 
we do dinner as a family and 

540
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,880
then play until the kids go to 
bed at 7:00. 

541
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,560
And then Jan and I usually hang 
out doing whatever we want to do

542
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,080
that night, whether if it's like
just sit and read or watch a 

543
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,680
show or sit outside or whatever 
it is and then try to go to bed.

544
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Usually I'm tired, go to bed at 
like 10/10/30, but my 

545
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,400
productivity is terrible in the 
evening. 

546
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,920
And so I try to get my as much 
done as I can during the work 

547
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,160
day and then shift back home. 
And right now, you know, like, 

548
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,240
everybody has to figure out 
their patterns of life. 

549
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,120
Like for me, I can give myself 
the chunk of like a pretty 

550
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:52,000
traditional, like, work day 
because Jana is home right now 

551
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,360
full time and she's loving that.
And this is the first year that 

552
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,040
Ray is starting 4K. 
So we have all kids in school 

553
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,960
for at least part of the day, 
four days a week. 

554
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,480
And so Jana's starting to think 
about like when they're both 

555
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,200
full time, what do I want my 
time and energy to look like, 

556
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,600
but doesn't have any conclusions
yet. 

557
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,720
So I understand that that's a 
very unique spot that get 

558
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,000
affords me a lot of opportunity 
to compartmentalize my time in 

559
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000
ways that not everybody can. 
But I think what's been most 

560
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,160
helpful for balance, because 
running is so healthy for me. 

561
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,160
I if I'm not running, I'm I in 
exercising just like the 

562
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,240
benefits of exercise and through
running, running is my friend 

563
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,880
time. 
Like I run with friends every 

564
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,600
Thursday and Saturday. 
And so we have I have enough 

565
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
crazy friends that get up early 
to run together, which is really

566
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,840
nice. 
And we just have coffee 

567
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,440
afterwards. 
So I'd miss out on friend time. 

568
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,240
I'd miss out on the exercise. 
And so it's really important to 

569
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,520
have it in there because I 
would, I would, I probably 

570
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,680
wouldn't be as good of a dad 
husband worker if I if I'm not 

571
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040
getting all that exercise. 
And I experienced that in a 

572
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,400
decent way when I was off with 
the injury for a while. 

573
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,880
It just was a little bit 
different, not devastatingly so,

574
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,320
but I can just tell like 
internally it was a little bit 

575
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,960
less peace filled and joyful in 
some ways. 

576
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:23,120
But on that line, how have you 
found that, like running has 

577
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,200
helped you as a professor, dad, 
parent, husband, whatever? 

578
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Or what ways have they 
conflicted with each other? 

579
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Yeah, that's a, that's a great 
question. 

580
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,080
I'd say it helps because that's 
been kind of one of the 

581
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
foundations of Virginia's 
relationship, right? 

582
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,480
Like we spend at least once, if 
not twice a day together. 

583
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,640
If not, if we're even if we're 
super busy, those are going to 

584
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,400
be our major times together. 
Well, the the second one usually

585
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,080
have to pull her despite being 
the pro runner. 

586
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,960
I'll have to pull her out going.
I don't want to run. 

587
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,360
I'm like that you're coming 
running anyway. 

588
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,120
I think the other great thing is
it now with it put be pushing 

589
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,840
the stroller, it becomes like 
our general family time. 

590
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,720
So Isabella can hear us talk. 
She's she's babbling, she's 

591
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160
getting words here and there, 
but she gets a chance to speak. 

592
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
We respond to her. 
So it's kind of like this great 

593
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,280
combination of something that's 
important to all of us that we 

594
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,040
get to spend time together, 
which as you know, what we're 

595
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000
watching is life is getting 
crazy easier and crazier. 

596
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
And so it's going to be really 
important because Isabel is 

597
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,480
going to be going to daycare 
soon. 

598
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,960
Our schedules are going to get 
busier as we kind of learn and 

599
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,840
get rhythm and you know, 
schedules pick up what is and 

600
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,200
what's, I don't know if I'm 
going to call this challenging, 

601
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520
I'm going to call it modifying 
expectations. 

602
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800
So some of you that have been 
listening to so well may know 

603
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,280
that recently have been very 
adverse to things like marathons

604
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,680
and things like that. 
And that's because 

605
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
realistically, you know, I don't
want Isabella to be in the 

606
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
stroller for two plus hours and 
we really don't have the time to

607
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,920
put that kind of training. 
So our training is really 

608
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360
because of doing this together, 
having a kid, it's shifted 

609
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,720
going, we're going to be too 
focusing on speed work because 

610
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,200
it takes less time, it's a 
little more intense and it gets 

611
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,160
it's and it's just more 
efficient for us at this stage 

612
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,600
of life to go, OK, I can't be 
out there for a 2-3 hour run, 

613
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,120
but I can be out there for like,
you know, 40-50 minutes, hammer 

614
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,920
the track next door that we're 
very like lucky to be next to 

615
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,720
and be done. 
So we can then get Isabella out 

616
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080
and still have some time for her
to play. 

617
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,160
Hoping that we can evolve this 
as she gets older into her 

618
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,200
riding a bike or maybe running a
little bit with us. 

619
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,000
But we'll have to see what 
happens. 

620
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,560
But it it's shifting our 
expectations. 

621
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,800
And one of the other things I 
will also say too is that 

622
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,360
pushing stroller has changed my 
expectations of what pace I 

623
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,360
expect out of myself. 
I've like totally let go of any 

624
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,880
like pace it when I'm running 
anything from like a 200 meter 

625
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,600
repeat up to doing a long run. 
There's no expectation of pace 

626
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,480
because I'm pushing this 25 LB 
little one plus another 25 lbs 

627
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,800
in the stroller. 
And so I'm like, dude, I'm 

628
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,200
getting a workout either way. 
So I'm not going to worry what 

629
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,280
the pace is. 
So it's very liberating. 

630
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,080
But also like I'm not going to 
worry about a training plan. 

631
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,720
I'm just taking in each day and 
no matter what I do, it's going 

632
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,160
to be a good workout. 
Like we did a long run up, long 

633
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,680
up temple run. 
So we did 11 miles an average 

634
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,960
about 7 minute pace up at the 
Fairmont loop up in, in 

635
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,280
Portland. 
And it was one of the hardest 

636
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,040
things I have done in like 
years. 

637
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,920
I, my, we stopped really 
suddenly and then I started 

638
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,200
getting all this like phlegm and
felt like I was choking and 

639
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,520
realized like my heart, we just 
hadn't cooled down and my heart 

640
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,680
rate just spiked. 
And so I had to like calm myself

641
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960
down, do some diabetic 
breathing, like get my heart 

642
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,040
rate to like slowly drop because
it did or like to, to modulate 

643
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280
because it did drop too quickly.
And I was starting to get some 

644
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,240
symptoms going. 
Oh, that was really hard. 

645
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,080
So it's just modifying that. 
I think what how I've approached

646
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,600
being a parent is just figuring 
out how to how do I modify 

647
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,120
things, modify my expectations, 
modify training to match it with

648
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,320
the little 1 and realizing, 
yeah, I can't go run. 

649
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,960
Not that I want to. 
I can't run 100 miles a week 

650
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920
anymore. 
I can't, you know, have that 

651
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,680
focus on like, oh, I want to 
like meet the Olympic trials or 

652
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,440
make this, but honestly, I'm not
focus on that. 

653
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,560
It's just the focus on let me 
get out every day or however 

654
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,720
long much I can, right? 
And then try to resemble some 

655
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,800
health here and knowing my kind 
of focus has changed a little 

656
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,640
bit, but not totally let it go, 
if that makes sense. 

657
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Totally. 
I, I'm hearing from you like a 

658
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,800
lot of the, you have these 
internal priority list that 

659
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,120
shakes out in how you make 
decisions and you're allowing 

660
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
things to shift to meet those 
higher priorities. 

661
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,480
And then those other ones take a
back seat for a time but are 

662
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,200
still integrated for overall 
health. 

663
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Cause what I've noticed and our 
kids aren't that old, you know, 

664
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,240
seven and five, which is not 
like no time, but I know that 

665
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,880
people, there's so many. 
What I've noticed in seven years

666
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,080
is what I was going to say. 
What I've noticed in seven years

667
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,600
is that every single phase, 
which can happen every six 

668
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,960
months depending on the season 
or every year or so, what it 

669
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,520
looks like and what the kids 
need like changes. 

670
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,280
And for me, like priority of 
like Jana's well-being and the 

671
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,000
kids well-being is much higher 
than my running priority. 

672
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,720
And so I can try to shift all of
my running to help with their 

673
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,360
well-being. 
And right now the boys sleep in 

674
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,840
till 7, which has given me a 
great window of time to engage 

675
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,640
in something that I love to do. 
And what I also love about 

676
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,760
running as a parent is like my 
although my boys don't see me 

677
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,760
run because I'm running while 
they're sleeping. 

678
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,960
They know I'm running. 
They know that I get up early to

679
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,720
take care of myself and be 
healthy and I do it. 

680
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,240
And they know I do it early so 
that I can be with them. 

681
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,480
Like they, they understand that.
And I think that's valuable for 

682
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,000
them too. 
They're like, wow, my dad could 

683
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,400
just wait till I'm awake and 
then go run and not play with 

684
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,840
me. 
But I purposely do it at a time 

685
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,600
where I can be that I'm similar 
for you. 

686
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,960
You y'all do it like as a 
community is what I was going to

687
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,880
say. 
So I think it's really fun to 

688
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,200
see that my kids be able to see 
there's dedication to taking 

689
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,880
care of himself. 
He has friends that he hangs out

690
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,560
with even as an adult, he does 
something that's kind of hard 

691
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,280
and like they'll tomorrow I'm 
running like a labor, a local 

692
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,320
Labor Day run thing. 
And they're probably going to 

693
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,199
come like watch me run it and 
they'll see me like work really 

694
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,679
hard at something. 
And I also like that that 

695
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,199
they're seeing someone that they
were hanging out with everyday 

696
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,520
do something that makes them 
very uncomfortable. 

697
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,480
And I hope that my kids road to 
appreciate doing things that are

698
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,159
uncomfortable that are still 
good for them. 

699
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,040
And I, that's what I love about 
running and how they get to see 

700
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,560
me engage in it. 
Not because I'm going to go win 

701
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,679
a race tomorrow, but far from 
it. 

702
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,920
But they'll get to see me work 
hard at something, enjoy it, 

703
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,520
maybe fail. 
And so I, I do like that 

704
00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,360
symbiotic nature between how my 
running influences, like my kids

705
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,040
and my kids have biked with me 
from time to time when I'm 

706
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,760
running, but a lot of it has 
been again, in time where I can 

707
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,800
make sure that their well-being 
is the priority over just like 

708
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,240
my running engagement. 
But if I'm not healthy, I'm not 

709
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,000
going to be as good of a dad. 
So I have to figure out how to 

710
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,080
piece the puzzle together. 
But that's that's been a, like 

711
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,720
you said, kind of a challenge, 
but not negative. 

712
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,320
It's just what does it look like
now? 

713
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,880
And it has to change all the 
time. 

714
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,640
My goals are not marathoning 
right now as much as I want to. 

715
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,680
It's not the most feasible thing
and it wouldn't be the 

716
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,560
healthiest thing for our family,
so how the priorities sit in the

717
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,840
list dictate how it shakes out 
in a day-to-day thing. 

718
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,480
It's funny that the two of us, 
because I do the same thing. 

719
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,960
Yours is much more organized 
than mine. 

720
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
We were talking earlier about, 
oh, how do you organize your 

721
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,800
day? 
And I'm like literally feel like

722
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,000
I'm just putting out fires, 
which is also kind of how my 

723
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,200
brain works too. 
Which is why one of the greatest

724
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,400
things as a clinician was doing 
residency and fellowship and 

725
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,960
building a forced structure to 
go start here in improv off off 

726
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,840
the structure, which is also how
I teach going, Yeah. 

727
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,560
Like this is I'm very adaptable 
when I need to be sometimes too 

728
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,800
much. 
So having a structure to build 

729
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,320
off of and then being able to go
from there is key. 

730
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,920
And that's the same kind of way 
that I think about teaching, 

731
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,720
especially students coming in, 
as well as like how we're 

732
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,160
structuring or praying right 
now. 

733
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,640
It's like there's no like crazy 
ideas. 

734
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040
It's just like, here's kind of 
the basic things we know we 

735
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,600
need. 
Let's put those in there and 

736
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,200
then get creative with trying to
adapt it around whatever 

737
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,040
happens. 
And I think that's similar 

738
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,040
thing. 
What I try to do with some 

739
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,560
students is, you know, hey, this
is kind of how I teach the my 

740
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080
George Fox students haven't 
quite gotten this out yet 

741
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,480
because they're just getting 
small pieces of me as I slowly 

742
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,640
integrate in. 
And these are not my courses 

743
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,600
yet, right? 
So I'm just I'm assisting and 

744
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000
supporting. 
But I will say, answering your 

745
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,240
other part of your question, how
does that influence how you're a

746
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,920
husband, how you're like a 
professor is just trying to 

747
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,880
model that same thing. 
You talked about getting out for

748
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,760
some kind of extras a couple 
days a week. 

749
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,680
I think every grad student, 
every student gets when they 

750
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,760
transition, things are really 
hard, right? 

751
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Just like being a new parent's 
really hard. 

752
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,000
So when you get like your faced 
starting a news program with 

753
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,520
this immense intensity going, Oh
my gosh, this is a doctor 

754
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,040
career. 
This is this kind of degree. 

755
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,440
How am I going to get through 
this? 

756
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,320
And it's very easy to fall into 
the trap of I just need to study

757
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480
24 hours a day. 
I can't be doing anything else. 

758
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,480
And that's really not healthy. 
If you get into that situation, 

759
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,120
your health will will fall and 
you may not actually be the best

760
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,720
learner because we know that the
best learners are the ones that 

761
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,920
are actually bounced where 
they're getting enough sleep, 

762
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,240
they're exercising. 
Two things that actually help 

763
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,120
with memory retention with with 
memory formation and problem 

764
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,600
solving and overall health. 
So hopefully what I can show the

765
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,960
students is yes, I'm still 
running every day or however 

766
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,360
often I'm able to and I'm able 
to integrate this despite having

767
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,360
a very busy life. 
I want to show you how to take 

768
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,120
care of yourself and still be 
uncomfortable at the same time 

769
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,280
going. 
I can, I can push, right? 

770
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,120
Like it's OK to be 
uncomfortable. 

771
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,440
That's where you grow. 
And if you seek out appropriate,

772
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,440
what's the term? 
I'm looking for appropriate 

773
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,120
situations where you have an 
opportunity to perform well, 

774
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,760
uncomfortable. 
It's great. 

775
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,520
It's, it's like doing an 
evaluation. 

776
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,280
I still get anxiety with new 
patients. 

777
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,840
Every single person that come 
see me, there's still some 

778
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,360
anxiety that I'm like, am I 
going to do this? 

779
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,720
Well, what's going to happen? 
It's like, then you just get 

780
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,760
into it and things tend to work 
out. 

781
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,360
They tend to work. 
Out because of the work you put 

782
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,200
in on the front end. 
It's it's not just doesn't just 

783
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,640
happen right. 
So trying to so we just gotta 

784
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,200
get you more sleep is what I'm 
hearing. 

785
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,640
That's the only piece. 
Yeah, but I also know I chose to

786
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,640
be, I was lucky enough Reggie 
and I were chose to be parents. 

787
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,560
So that was something that we 
knew going in was going right. 

788
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,040
This is just part of it. 
And if it's it's an investment 

789
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,800
in in another human being. 
And so we'll make this work and 

790
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,720
modify this as we need to. 
That's great. 

791
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,720
I was going to say the same 
thing about about students. 

792
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Is that being a, being a in a 
teaching or professor role, it's

793
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,880
the first time I've had kind of 
some form of leadership within 

794
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,920
it. 
And so within how I develop 

795
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,200
relationships with the students 
in our program, I try to lead 

796
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,720
with a lot of vulnerability and 
authenticity so that they see my

797
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,360
real life. 
Because like you said, physical 

798
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,600
therapy school is one example of
a life season that could take 

799
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,120
over everything of you because 
it's very, very demanding. 

800
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,360
And so if I also enter into 
being currently in grad school 

801
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,040
again and teaching and having 
kids and all these things, and I

802
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,480
am a super unhealthy person, I 
want them to see when I'm 

803
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,240
unhealthy so they can help, you 
know, see how ways that I have 

804
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,520
to pull myself back. 
And I also want to see ways that

805
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,240
I promote health within my life 
because like you said, and our 

806
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,720
program is really, really good 
at this and promoting overall 

807
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,960
like holistic Wellness for 
students and giving them 

808
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,840
opportunities for that. 
And it's a challenge. 

809
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,480
It's a challenge. 
So I try to leave with that 

810
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,920
vulnerability and authenticity 
so they can see that I'm not 

811
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,880
some. 
Pedestal person by any stretch 

812
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,000
of the imagination, it's like, 
oh, he's a person who happens to

813
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,960
be teaching this class with that
I happen to be in so I can learn

814
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,920
alongside of him and work with 
him. 

815
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,120
So are there any last things 
that you want to say about 

816
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,440
parenting and running before we 
wrap up? 

817
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,720
Yeah. 
I think it, you know, what we 

818
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,680
talked about is how we try to 
integrate this for those who are

819
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,600
new parents or maybe struggling 
with this, that I think kind of 

820
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,920
the biggest thing is just being 
adaptable and modifying your 

821
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,040
expectations, right? 
In terms of going, all right, 

822
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,440
how can I get this integrated 
into my life? 

823
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,880
If it's possible? 
Do I need to modify how many 

824
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,720
days a week, how my relationship
with this right, like how I 

825
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:57,840
involve with the people I'd 
like? 

826
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,360
I've been super lucky that 
Isabella loves the stroller and 

827
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,080
so she has no problem. 
She actually gets pretty excited

828
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,360
when we we go and take her out. 
So to be able to go right. 

829
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,160
So you know, this is just going 
to be part of it. 

830
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,600
I love pushing that stroller. 
It's so hard. 

831
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Like we live in a decently hilly
area again and so yeah, there's 

832
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,560
like a two mile uphill loop and 
I like this is supposed to be an

833
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,560
easy run, but I'm definitely at 
a threshold right now just 

834
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,600
trying to push this stroller up 
there. 

835
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,880
And I love every minute of it 
because I know I'm getting to do

836
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,480
with her. 
She's getting to see a variety 

837
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,200
of things. 
So it's just learning to modify 

838
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,640
this and we'll have to see what 
happens. 

839
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,240
I, I don't, I don't have any 
expectations of myself going. 

840
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,080
I'm going to run this race. 
I'm going to run this time. 

841
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,320
It's like I'm just happy to be 
able to run. 

842
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,000
And maybe like, you know, when 
she's 5-6 years old and doesn't 

843
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,520
fit in the stroller, we're going
to have to see how to make this 

844
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,520
work. 
Regina might and I might be 

845
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,720
waking up at 4:00 like you to 
see if we can get miles. 

846
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,880
In swap running times or yeah, 
but it's really, it's all about 

847
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,240
adapting. 
And in my opinion, if if you're 

848
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,240
if you don't know, I'm not 
saying one way to make your 

849
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,640
prayers. 
I'm saying if you don't know 

850
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,160
your priorities, somebody's in 
expectations of everybody 

851
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,560
involved. 
That's the other thing. 

852
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,320
Like communication with Jana and
with the boys of like just the 

853
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,320
why? 
Because if they had their way, I

854
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,160
would never go to work. 
If I had my way, I'd also never 

855
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,080
go to work, right? 
Like just hanging out with them 

856
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,960
all day would be amazing. 
But they understand why I go to 

857
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,920
work One, that it's like an 
awesome way to contribute in the

858
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,840
lives of our community and like 
being involved too, so that we 

859
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,040
can like have a house and like a
roof over our heads and food in 

860
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,560
our refrigerators. 
So like we bring them into the 

861
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,600
conversation and then Jana and I
have to be on the same page of 

862
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,520
like, how do we each get what we
need? 

863
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,440
Well, we're also both parenting 
and have full like, cuz her 

864
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,440
responsibilities that she's 
taking on right now are crazy 

865
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640
too. 
Cuz she works another online job

866
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,880
right now too. 
And so it's, it's, it's all 

867
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,920
about that communication. 
If the priority list isn't 

868
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,280
there, I feel like that's, 
that'd be my starting point. 

869
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,480
And I have to redo that a lot 
too. 

870
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Cuz I realize, oh, just because 
I say I prioritize it doesn't 

871
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,880
mean I actually do. 
Because then like I see that 

872
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,240
like my time is not showing 
where my priorities are at or my

873
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,720
like, so I have to restructure 
and rethink about like, oh, I 

874
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,920
say I prioritize that. 
How could I actually show it? 

875
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,840
The the two things based on that
I was to say for those listening

876
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,160
is a This is not easy. 
And these two things I say to my

877
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560
students as well, None of this 
stuff is easy. 

878
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,680
It's it's hard. 
And the other part is we're 

879
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,800
always learning and always 
having to adapt. 

880
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,000
So if that's what hopefully 
people can take from this is 

881
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,800
going trying to figure just keep
going, trying to figure out how 

882
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,920
can I make this work? 
And then also being like open 

883
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,680
and adaptable and realizing this
is hard. 

884
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,680
It's not supposed to be easy, 
but also things that really are 

885
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,280
worthwhile and really get the 
most out of you and help you 

886
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,040
grow are very challenging. 
And so don't, don't be, even 

887
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,560
though it is hard, don't be 
afraid of it. 

888
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,800
Don't be afraid of making 
mistakes going. 

889
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,240
I could have done that better. 
That's that's how you grow. 

890
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,920
So we're all growing and 
learning. 

891
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,320
I exactly. 
And I last thing I'll say is 

892
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,880
that I think that it can be 
really easy to look at other 

893
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,360
parents and who are runners 
lives and say one of two things.

894
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,000
One, wow, they got it all all 
together. 

895
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,760
I wish I was better and like 
that. 

896
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,600
The second is to look at other 
parents and how they go about 

897
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,840
their decisions and start to 
judge that they're making the 

898
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,160
wrong decisions. 
I, I think that every time I've 

899
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,760
thought that a friend of mine is
doing their parenting and 

900
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,240
running or just parenting wrong,
I've gotten to know them more 

901
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,640
and be like, their situation is 
extremely different than mine. 

902
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Their child is extremely 
different than mine and has 

903
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,840
totally different needs and 
preferences. 

904
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,720
And so I've, I've been humbled a
lot when I've thought that like 

905
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,800
that could be done better, like 
Matt in my life. 

906
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,480
If like through this, we live 
life very differently and like 

907
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,840
we have to, that's good because 
we each have very different 

908
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,760
circumstances. 
So I feel like it's there's not,

909
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,200
there's not a playbook to to 
balance it all. 

910
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,320
Well, it's got to be specific to
your values and your 

911
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,720
circumstances and. 
Yeah, focus on yourself for 

912
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,760
sure. 
And know that if you know, 

913
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,920
typically your life really isn't
going to look like a lot of 

914
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,280
other people's because that's 
what makes us unique, right? 

915
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,120
It's the same thing with PT and 
footwear. 

916
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,120
As we're starting to realize how
people respond is very 

917
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,200
different. 
You know, how people respond to 

918
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,720
shoes is very different. 
There's some inherent patterns 

919
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,480
underneath there. 
But that's why, you know, people

920
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,560
hate this. 
But we say it depends. 

921
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,560
We need more information for us 
to make a recommendation because

922
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,720
we need more information. 
And that information will take 

923
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:45,480
us down very different pathways.
And so focus on the individual. 

924
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,520
Absolutely. 
Well, thanks for joining us on 

925
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,360
this journey. 
And if you want to hear more 

926
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,480
from us about this sort of 
stuff, a little bit more about 

927
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,520
our lives and how we balance the
different facets of our lives, 

928
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,360
let us know. 
And if there's any 

929
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,720
recommendations or questions you
have for us on these topics, 

930
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,000
happy to talk about it. 
And we're just thankful to be 

931
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000
able to have a, a podcast like 
this because it forces us to get

932
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,920
together and chat once pretty 
much once a week. 

933
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,520
So it's always fun to be with 
you, Matt. 

934
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,440
If you want to be following 
along with what we're doing 

935
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,400
regarding Doctors of Running, 
you can always jump on our 

936
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,560
website, doctorsofrunning.com or
follow us at Doctors Running on 

937
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,440
most social platforms to see 
what we're doing regarding 

938
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,920
footwear and other running 
health related topics. 

939
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,080
Have a great night everybody.