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Visit stride.com and see how 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Stride powers your plan to the finish line. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,320 Hey everyone, and welcome to doctors running podcast where we 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,880 a group of doctorate physical therapy talk about the art and 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,560 the science, the things we put on our feet today. 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,560 It is doctor Andrew Myers and myself. 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,040 And as always, we're going to have one of our classic episodes 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,080 where we argue about a shoe, I mean discuss a shoe that is 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,640 doing very different things for us. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,800 So Andrea, how you doing? And we're actually going to 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,600 start right away with our by me asking you how you're doing 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,640 about with our segment of in for testing right now, which is 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,720 powered by Scratch labs where every time we're and tell you, 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,320 hey, what are we running in right now? 24 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,440 And as always, what we're running in is the stuff that 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,280 we're testing. So Andrew, how are you doing and 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,520 what are you testing right now? Good, I had a good track workout 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,880 this morning. Last track workout before my 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,240 last 800 of the season on Friday. 29 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,040 So legs a little tired. Glad to be sitting down as I'm 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,800 sure you are after your long run. 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,800 I've gotten so many shoes in for testing in the past couple 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 weeks, but you know, I'm not running like 60 mile weeks 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,040 anymore, so I kind of have to approach them a little more 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,480 methodically. So last week I got miles on the 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:54,920 Hoka Rocket X3 and the Ultra Turin 8. 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 So we're going to be talking most of the episode about the 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Rocket X3 and our disagreements on it. 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,600 So I'll save that for later. But I can talk about the Toran. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,360 So I didn't like the Toran 7 because Ultra had really snugged 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,880 down the toe box and whereas most ultras I've really loved 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,120 how wide and roomy the toe boxes, I actually found the toe 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,200 box of torn 7 to snug like it actually hurt my toes. 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,960 So I am thrilled that they fixed that in version eight. 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,560 I've got 1-6 mile easy run on this shoe. 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,040 While I like the fit, it's very stiff. 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Like I can bend it, but when I run it doesn't feel like the 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,480 four foot bends much and I'm just not increasingly a big fan 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,840 of 0 drop higher stack in flexible shoes. 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,200 I just feel like it doesn't let my foot move at all to help me 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,760 run. Like if you're going to run in a 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,840 zero drop shoe, you've got to use your ankle and foot more. 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,600 But if your foot is locked up because of a stiff platform, it 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,400 just feels very unnatural for me. 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,160 So well love the fit and I actually might really love this 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,240 shoe is like a work shoe because right now I wear the Ultravia 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,400 Olympus 2 to work. So this reminds me a lot of the 57 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,960 via Olympus 2. It's not quite as high of a 58 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,680 stack. I can't remember off the top of 59 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,400 my head what the stack of Tornade is. 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,080 It might be like 30. I think it's 30 actually 30 or 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,000 33 and via Olympus is a little higher than that. 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,520 But this might actually end up being a great standing and 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,560 walking shoe for me because I tend to like 0 drop stiff 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,120 platform shoes for work. So got to get some more miles on 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,320 this shoe but so far it's not my favorite for running but it 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,840 might be a great work shoe. How about your? 67 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,240 What are you running in? I've got a good number of stuff 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,760 right now. I'll start with the obviously 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,600 we're going to talk about the Rocket X3 in just a second, 70 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,960 which I am absolutely loving. And it might be, I'm going to 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,840 say this right now might be my racing shoot of the year, but 72 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,560 we'll have to get an actual race on it and, and hopefully in a 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,520 week or so and see what happens. And hopefully the outsole will 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,480 stay on. So that's a we'll find out how 75 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,080 that goes as opposed to version 2 that I for those on YouTube 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,680 can see what I did to it. And that's not even 100 miles. 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,920 So we'll we'll see. But I'm liking it so far. 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,000 So that's been my primary shoot for getting workouts in right 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 now. Lots of trainers in right now. 80 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,800 We just put up or or not by the time this video comes out that 81 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,360 this this review will be out for a little bit. 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,880 But the Nike structure 26 doing a good number of miles in there, 83 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,360 much more stable in the prior version, not quite didn't 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,520 doesn't turn over as quick. Same weight, but definitely 85 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,360 another shoe kind of the way you were talking about where it is 86 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,320 heavier. It's a little stiffer and 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,560 clunkier in the rear foot and mid foot and I'm running in it. 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,720 It's fine because it is more stable, but it works very well, 89 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,840 just like you were talking about with the ultra torrent as a 90 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,840 walking standing shoe, like when I'm at clinic or when I'm at, 91 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:52,320 you know, doing like out for about like it's just really 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,240 stable, whereas the previous versions didn't feel as good for 93 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,320 like that versatility of like being able to do new walking 94 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,120 standing in it. This one does that. 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,200 I think it's just cuz, like you said, it's more stiff, right 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,840 midfoot and rear footer much more stiff. 97 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,280 They've widened the platform. So I would love for this to be 98 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:12,080 lighter, but I'm, I'm holding my hopes for the structure plus. 99 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,920 And maybe I don't know what the structure premium is going to be 100 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,920 like, but structure plus is what I'm most excited about. 101 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,960 And this gives me hope, but at least more versatile. 102 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,280 I think in that way. The other shoe from Nike, which 103 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:25,720 has very much surprised me Speaking of pluses has been the 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,600 Vimero plus. And I was almost positive I was 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,560 going to hate this 'cause I have not done well with the 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,400 invincible. I don't remember what I was 107 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,520 writing about last night, but I wrote something along lines of 108 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 like, Oh no, I was responding to somebody who'd asked me about a 109 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,520 couple shoes and I was responding going, I couldn't run 110 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,960 in any of the Invincibles. Like Andrew was the one who had 111 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,400 to review those 'cause I literally couldn't get my like 112 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,480 I, my foot would go now immediately and I hated them. 113 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,720 This one has been so much better. 114 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,480 I'm so nervous. It's not as mushy as those. 115 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,720 There's more room in the upper, but it still stays locked down 116 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,680 really, really well and the midsole is just bounced so well. 117 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,400 And the other part that's really nice is that the higher drop. 118 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,760 There's not a lot of high drop shoes anymore and it rolls 119 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,520 nicely. My Achilles a little flared up. 120 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,880 This has been a really awesome shoe for that where I can load 121 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,720 that heel. It's still high enough drop even 122 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,880 though when it compresses my it's been a great way to unload 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,640 my Achilles tendon to get some miles in while I kind of get get 124 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,240 that to calm down as I've been rehabbing it. 125 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,160 And so I as part of the process of any rehab, sometimes you have 126 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,320 little flare ups during the rehab processing, you'll freak 127 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,120 out. You just move around it do what 128 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,320 you need to, but it's it's not a stability shoe, but it is far 129 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,480 more stable than I expected. I'm really enjoying it. 130 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Actually. I didn't think I was going to do 131 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,280 this. I got I got all my testing 132 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:36,280 miles. I thought I was going to have to 133 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:37,960 bail on this shoe, but that's awesome. 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,040 Yeah got about 30 miles now so we're we're ready to go. 135 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,880 So that's that one. And then I don't know if I'm to 136 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,160 contribute to the view, but I have the on cloud surfer Max. 137 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,040 And while I appreciate this issue is more stable because the 138 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,720 side walls are much larger or as Evan Day would tell me from 139 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Brooks, the top line is much, much better. 140 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,920 You sit in the sole, the shoe is so firm on. 141 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,040 We love you guys. But like, I don't know why 142 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,280 you're advertising this as a super soft experience. 143 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,440 It is so firm. It might be one of the firmest 144 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,040 shoes of the stack height. And yeah, so not surprising. 145 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Every time I run in it, it's very rockered, I'll give them 146 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:16,440 that. But when you have a highly 147 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,160 rockered firm shoe, it bugs my knee because you're moving, 148 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,880 you're shifting forces away from the foot and ankle and going up 149 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,120 to the knee. And if it's firmer, yeah, you 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,240 have to shock, absorb a little bit more. 151 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,000 So not surprising. I'm like, Oh, my knee aches 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,200 after every time I run in the shoe and as soon as I run 153 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,400 anything else it's gone. Like, oh, so we'll have that 154 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,120 review out by the time this comes out. 155 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,280 I don't know if I'm going to contribute to it though because 156 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,000 it is bugging me and I haven't finished testing miles. 157 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,000 I have both of those shoes, the Cloud Surfer Max and the Vomero 158 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Plus. I haven't gotten to put miles on 159 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,040 them yet. My initial thought, what just 160 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,360 walking around Vomero Plus the fit feels better for me than the 161 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,920 Vomero. It's a little roomier. 162 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,880 And it did. It felt, it felt more like a 163 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,120 shoe that I wanted to run in than actually the Vomero 18 did. 164 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,560 Yeah, I would say the the Vomero Plus is not a review of the 165 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,360 Vomero Plus, but it feels like the shoe I thought the Vomero 166 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,680 was going to be and wasn't. So it's been a really nice 167 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,440 pleasant surprise. I'm I'm really curious for you 168 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,880 to get my house. Let me know what you think that 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,480 might it'll be another episode that we disagree on or you won't 170 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,920 see an episode because maybe we for agree an issue for once. 171 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,080 But, and yeah, Speaking of which, yeah. 172 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Go answer for Max. I liked how firm it felt. 173 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Again, just walking around there was a little. 174 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,080 It feels a little narrow in the toe box for me, which is 175 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,640 surprising for an on shoe because they usually work out 176 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,760 pretty well. So I'm excited to test it 177 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,000 because I think I might actually like the firmer midsole, but 178 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,240 we'll see. It may be the fit that gets me 179 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,600 over the actual ride itself. The fit I totally is is 180 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,640 definitely tapered in the toe box, but and I will also say 181 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,720 great walking shoe, which aunt aunt does really well for 182 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,920 walking like it's not mushy. They're really they roll really 183 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,640 nicely. The firmer rights of the good, 184 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,200 but running can be hit or miss. But yeah, now I'm excited for 185 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,080 you to get Miles on those. I know it's sweet. 186 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,320 I'm just not marathon training like I used to. 187 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,640 So it takes me longer to get through all these shoes. 188 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,080 And we have gotten so many shoes we have in the past few weeks. 189 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,160 And I just got the ASICS, Metaspeed, Sky and Edge. 190 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:21,920 Paris. Yes. 191 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:22,560 Tokyo. Tokyo. 192 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,120 Tokyo Tokyo and which I haven't run in any of the versions of 193 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,880 them since testing the sky plus like 3 years ago. 194 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,760 So I'm really oh I I'm but that was a fit thing. 195 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:41,120 The toe spring plus the tapered toe box just killed me but I am 196 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,640 excited to test both of those shoes so just plugging along 197 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,920 getting miles. So we'll find out if we have 198 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,680 more episodes between the two of us to. 199 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,080 Disagree. You know, there are only a few 200 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 certain things in life, but I think we can be sure that we 201 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,240 will disagree on more cheers in the future. 202 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,440 I feel like you're going to love the ASICS. 203 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,040 What would be karma would be that you love the ASICS Meta 204 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speed Edge Tokyo because I have not. 205 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,000 It's not terrible, it's just not as much as I like the Paris and 206 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 I've actually liked the sky better, but neither one of the 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,840 shoes has felt perfect that they've oddly felt like firmer 208 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,960 than I expect, even though they're bouncy but firmly 209 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,200 expected. So I'm I'm fully expecting you 210 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,600 to absolutely love it like these are my shoes in the air, right. 211 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaking of disagreements, let's get into our main segment, which 212 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,520 is going to be talking about the Hoka rocket X3. 213 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,360 Now this is the update to Hoka's kind of classic in line super 214 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,480 racing shoe. It does have all the components 215 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,200 you would need to truly be a super shoe. 216 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,960 It's got a full length carbon fiber plate that runs the length 217 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,920 of the shoe and they made some really interesting updates to 218 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,760 this where it actually is not only wing, but there's actually 219 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,160 some elevations that it's supposed to make this shoe more 220 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,200 stable, which is interesting because version 2. 221 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,440 We won't talk about version one because technically that it 222 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,160 wasn't a super shoe like it had a plate, but had an Eva based 223 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,400 foam. Some people loved it. 224 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,720 It was like, correct me if I'm wrong and and the comment 225 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,760 section can like roast me for this. 226 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,440 It was like a one or 2mm drop the original. 227 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,800 Did you ever try that shoe? Yeah, I remember always looking 228 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,880 at it. I tried it on in store, but I we 229 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,160 never I think David might have run in it. 230 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,480 I don't remember reviewing it, I think, and it just had this 231 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,880 super low drop carbon plate, but really firm midsole because of 232 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,920 Eva. Finally version 2, which I have 233 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,960 here for the list for the viewers, was the first time I 234 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,360 was like, oh, this is it was it was Hoka's first true super shoe 235 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,960 and it's the same thing. It was really great. 236 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,160 There was just some challenges with version 2 that version 237 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,080 three I think really fixes including getting a little 238 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,800 lighter, but this shoe has even though it's got the Super 239 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,080 components, full length Peeba midsole, the stuff it's very 240 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,760 different from version 2. It's still in my mind one of the 241 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,160 few stable neutral racing shoes and there's not very many. 242 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,440 My opinion, and I'll do the video this later, that there's 243 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,200 really three at the moment. It's the Saucony and Dorfer Pro 244 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,840 4 this and then the 361 Flame 4. Pretty much the only things that 245 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,040 they're not true stability shoes, but the only things that 246 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,720 would give you some level of guidance if you needed a little 247 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,440 bit to handle this. But it's it's had some 248 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,240 evolutions. And I think Hoga, correct me if 249 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,120 I'm wrong, Andrea, because we were talking about this before 250 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,400 we started that they are trying to really make sure they 251 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,960 differentiate this from the Cielo X1 version 2, which you 252 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,520 have with you. And there's supposed to be two 253 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,080 completely different shoes. This is supposed to be the more 254 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,480 stable 1. The Cielo is supposed to be the 255 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,720 more aggressive, like faster one. 256 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,360 But as always, because I'm loving this because it's so 257 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,520 stable and it works really well for my mechanics. 258 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,000 Andrew, you're having a very different experience. 259 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,120 So why don't we start with you and go, hey, initial impressions 260 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,040 kind of what is what do you like? 261 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,840 What do you, what's not working for you? 262 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,280 And then let's talk about that biomechanically and we'll 263 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,320 compare like why this doesn't work for you? 264 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,440 What things that people who have some mechanics for you need to 265 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,280 pay attention to versus someone like me? 266 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,920 If people are like me, what things are working and what can 267 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,480 you pay attention to? What can you look for? 268 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,600 So definitely. I I think in like our little Dor 269 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,320 group text, I said I can't believe that I like this many 270 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,160 Hoka shoes and that was after my first run in the shoe where I 271 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,560 just ran easy. I've got to say I really like 272 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,040 the fit. Again, not a lot of Hokas have 273 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,040 worked well for me, mostly because of the side walls. 274 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,760 They tend to give me blisters like on the inside of my big 275 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,560 toe. So the both Cielo X ones version 276 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,760 one and two point O have fit me super comfortably. 277 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,160 The Skyward X didn't bother me, but pretty much any other Hoka 278 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,200 the sidewalls just kill the inside of my foot. 279 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,720 So the fit of Rocket X3 has really been quite comfortable. 280 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,480 I have 0 complaints about I I don't feel any side walls at all 281 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,240 in there, even though they are there. 282 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,520 There's plenty of width in the toe box, no discomfort there. 283 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,080 Super easy to lock the shoe down. 284 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,600 No issues with there's, you know a fair amount of padding back 285 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,000 here, but again, I didn't really notice it. 286 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,600 So from a fit perspective, this is a super comfortable shoe for 287 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,960 me. I've gotten 20 miles on this 288 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,400 shoe in the past week. I did, let's see, a Six Mile 289 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,320 easy run with some pickups. Then I did a workout or I did 290 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,800 like I was a progression run from like half marathon pace 291 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,080 down to 5K pace. And then I did like an 8 mile 292 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,360 steady run, like a little slower than marathon pace. 293 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,320 And after both of the workouts, I had a lot of pain in my 294 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,040 anterior lateral ankle and in my posterior tibialis on both 295 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,520 sides. And I'm like, okay, this is 296 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,280 definitely a stable shoe. And This is why I'm having this 297 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,480 issue because of course this shoe is designed to keep you 298 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,080 from rolling in as quickly. And she was like, that just 299 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,080 don't work well for me. So I particularly on my eight 300 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:06,120 mile long run, I could just feel that I wasn't really getting on 301 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,440 to my first metatarsal when I pushed off, like I was still 302 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,000 weight bearing a little too far laterally. 303 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,440 And of course, when you do that, that's going to overwork your 304 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,920 posterior tibialis tendon and it's going to load the front 305 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,360 outside of your ankle more, hence the pain that I've been 306 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,240 having this week. So while I really love how the 307 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,520 shoe fits and I actually really love how the midsole feels like, 308 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,360 I like the Peeba and it's a dual layer Peeba midsole. 309 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,760 That's what. I know they say that. 310 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,640 Yes. I feel like there's something 311 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,520 different about one of the layers. 312 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,600 So I'm like, are we sure it's and we for the listeners and 313 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,720 viewers when when companies say something's Piba or something's 314 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,120 TPU or what they that doesn't really give it doesn't really 315 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,960 tell us anything. There's so many blends, but 316 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,640 there's something special about this midsole and I don't know 317 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,160 what it is. We have no information but just 318 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Andrew, I'm glad you said that because I want to, I want to 319 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,040 reiterate that too. And I would say it it feel the 320 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Piba in rocket X3 feels different than either of the 321 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,560 CLOX ones. It feels stiffer. 322 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:23,720 It is possibly bouncier. I mean, I CLO X1 version 1 and 323 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,920 version 2 are both very bouncy, but Rocket X3 is really both 324 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,680 firm and bouncy and that combined with its stability is 325 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,000 why my ankles have been hurting this week. 326 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,000 But the midsole is really nice and I think that she was going 327 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,400 to work really well for a lot of people who need some medial 328 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,960 guidance. It just if you have mechanics 329 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,960 like me, Rocket X3 is not going to be an issue for you for sure. 330 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,880 And that makes total sense in terms of like, you know, and so 331 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,080 the, the easy run felt fine, correct. 332 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,200 It was the workouts when you're actually putting starting to 333 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,880 move faster where things change. Why? 334 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,240 Why do you think that? Was that an easy run felt good, 335 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,360 but maybe not when you picked up the pace? 336 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,160 Of course, when you're running faster, you're hitting the 337 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,240 ground harder, so you're having more force through all of your 338 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,640 joints, so I suspect that it just wasn't enough force on my 339 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,920 easy run to really bother my ankle joint itself, or to bother 340 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,800 my posterior tibialis enough. Got it. 341 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,160 It is interesting to me that like we have the opposite thing, 342 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,880 but can have a similar like similar irritation. 343 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,160 I don't have it like, and we've talked about this before, the 344 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,440 fast star three. I I fully and I know you love 345 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,320 that shoe. I respect the shoe. 346 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,880 I can't run in that thing without my post tib getting 347 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,640 annoyed just because there's literally like no medial midfoot 348 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,800 and I roll off the side and that excessive excursion and the 349 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,920 excessive eccentric load that I go through really, really 350 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,160 irritates my post tib For you. It sounds like it's not 351 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,360 necessarily the eccentric component. 352 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,720 The fact that your post tib is working harder because you're 353 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,240 getting driven off that the lateral aspect of your forefoot 354 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,200 rather than be able to get that first toe off and pivot off 355 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,200 there, which again, you can have an irritation in one place and 356 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,280 have completely different reasons for why that is 357 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,440 happening. So that's why like, you know, a 358 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,760 lot of people go. Why are like, you know, if, if 359 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,320 the issues coming from the forefoot, like why if I have a 360 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,640 post tape problem, are we working on my peroneus longest, 361 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,520 which really helps get that first toe down. 362 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,040 It's like because if we don't get that moving and balance out 363 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,120 which muscles are getting loaded, you're going to keep 364 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:26,160 having to say like you can condition your post tip, that's 365 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,480 fine, but excessive loading over time, it's still going to 366 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,240 overload that. So you want to try to balance 367 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,920 out forces, rehab the tendon, but also still balance stuff 368 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,720 out. So that thing forces are evenly 369 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,320 distributed because your body's meant to work together, not have 370 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,920 one thing do is do more, of course. 371 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,440 So that makes total sense. Yeah. 372 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,160 And so for me, basically my posterior Tibialis is 373 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,840 functioning as a plantar flexor, plantar flexor helping me push 374 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,080 off, whereas it's normally it's not really supposed to work that 375 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,720 hard because you're not in that much inversion at push off. 376 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,400 But because of the stability features of Rocket X3, it's 377 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,880 keeping me an inversion longer. And when I push off, my 378 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,760 posterior tip is more activated than it should be 379 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,560 concentrically. Right. 380 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,640 That's why it's you know, nobody has to be perfectly the middle 381 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,560 and trying to achieve that really isn't realistic. 382 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,240 But it's true that like if you are more inverted that it 383 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,080 changes what muscles work. If you are severely inverted, 384 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,160 your post Hib is going to be working a lot more like a 385 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,120 primary plantar flexor instead of a secondary plantar flexor 386 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,320 assisting the gas truck soleus because the gas truck and the 387 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,280 soleus muscles are supposed to be your primary plantar flexors. 388 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,080 Like they have the muscle mass and the force and the the lever 389 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,520 arms to do so. But if you start changing and 390 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,320 rotating and changing the frontal plane aspect, like for 391 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,120 me, if I'm a little bit too everted, then of course my 392 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,360 peroneal muscles or I should call them fibular muscles 393 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,640 because peroneal as you get made fun of by all the anatomy people 394 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,920 is like. 1020 years ago, we're not supposed to be saying 395 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,160 fibular muscles. Yes. 396 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,920 But the problem with that is it, yeah, no orthopedist use 397 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,200 fibularis. So when you're communicating 398 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,600 with the doctors, you might as well stick with the old 399 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,080 fashioned version, yeah? So my, my peroneal muscles, 400 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,720 muscles in the outside leg will get loaded a lot more because 401 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,480 based on my foot and ankle position, they're doing that. 402 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,120 And we actually know this because there's some research 403 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:27,480 suggesting if you change your foot position while you're doing 404 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,600 calf raises, it actually loads different musculature. 405 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,160 So it's the same thing. It's not like it's, it's good or 406 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,000 bad. It's just if you change that and 407 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,320 you change the moment arm and you change how things are 408 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,720 loaded, you're going to use one muscle more than the other. 409 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,360 So that makes so we have the opposite thing, but still funny. 410 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:46,040 We can still annoy. Yeah, yeah. 411 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,080 So like for me, a rehab tool that I found to be greatly 412 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,560 helpful is the mobile board, because it really teaches me how 413 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,400 to load my first MTP wall going into plantar flexion or working 414 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,920 on just stabilizing. The other thing that's really 415 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,480 helped is doing like what's called A2 toe calf raise where 416 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,200 you stand like on a step but you're only loading your big toe 417 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,000 and your second toe and you do calf raises because that forces 418 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,000 you to plantar flex wall in E version, which is what is 419 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520 supposed to happen when you push off. 420 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,240 That's funny that I'm literally to experimenting with the exact 421 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,520 opposite thing right now. Our next episode is going to be 422 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,720 arguments about rehab exercises for various We're not. 423 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,800 Arguing we're just doing the opposite thing because we have 424 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,040 the opposite opposite problem. But anything else you want to 425 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,240 add before I I dive into my little more experiences with the 426 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,840 Rocket X and maybe why it's working for me? 427 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Or do you want to jump in? Let's see, I would say the only 428 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,760 thing that has surprised me is I don't think this is going to be 429 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,400 a very durable shoe. I only have 20 miles on this 430 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,680 shoe and I'm already chewing up this exposed midsole. 431 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:01,640 Now this is the CLO X12 point OI probably have 60 miles on it and 432 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,960 yeah, and it's, you know, not in great shape, but it's still 433 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000 fine. It's still rides fine, but 434 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,200 there's definitely some earlier wear on Rocket X2 after 20 miles 435 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,360 than I would expect, yeah. I would definitely agree, like I 436 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,480 have, I think 2025 miles and you can already see for the viewers, 437 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,560 I'm really chewing. It's not terrible, but I'm 438 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,960 definitely chewing through that. And I'm very worried about this 439 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,920 outsole piece. Although I'm going to as as I 440 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,200 always do and often disappointed, I'm going to keep 441 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,440 praying that this thing stays attached through Blogger miles 442 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,960 and we'll keep getting more miles that I don't RIP this off 443 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,840 like a like this in version 2. But yeah, but that's kind of 444 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,360 what happens like as shoes get lighter, as people try to take 445 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:49,000 weight off, one of the first things companies will do is 446 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,920 they'll remove the outsole because outsole are they add 447 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,320 weight, right? You add more stiffer, harder 448 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,120 materials. Those carry more weight to them. 449 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,760 So that's the easiest thing to take off. 450 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,400 And unfortunately that that can impact durability for those of 451 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,680 us like you and I are like, I'm either a pretty heavy scuffer, 452 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,520 midfoot scuffer. And I think you're a pretty hard 453 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,360 forefoot striker like right, that like anterior, like 454 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,840 anterior midfoot forefoot area where that other place is that 455 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,640 you can catch the, the front part of the sole. 456 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,480 So that's I think the thing we agree on. 457 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,880 I'm a little bit worried about durability but also not really 458 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,080 surprised because like seen it before experiences before. 459 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,560 And for the most part, every super shoe has poor outsold 460 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,400 durability. There are only a few that really 461 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840 have decent rubber coverage because like you said, the 462 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 companies will reduce the amount of rubber to save weight. 463 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Right. The only exception to that, I 464 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,480 mean, and not an exception because they did exactly the 465 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,160 what you said they could was Adidas with the Audios Pro 4. 466 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,200 We have the full light traction outsole. 467 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,480 I can't get that thing to die. I can't even RIP anything off 468 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,640 because it's just like it's full length. 469 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,600 There's it it's got good grip or there's nothing for me to really 470 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,160 scuff and I can't RIP anything off and so it's the full 471 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,480 coverage really makes a big deal not shoot easily got it to 100 472 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,880 miles and I could the midsole diet will die long diet long 473 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240 before the out so well. So that's probably one of the 474 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,120 exceptions, but you know. That's that's amazing. 475 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,800 That's the result. I think the Saucony Endorphin 476 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Pro 3 had a pretty high amount of rubber coverage like I think 477 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,280 I pretty regularly got because I went through a couple of pairs. 478 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240 I got like 200 plus miles out of those shoes, Yeah. 479 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,240 And easily, yeah. And actually Vaporfly 3 has 480 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,320 always lasted a long time for me even though it has terrible 481 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,920 outsold rubber coverage. But I've what's made me stop 482 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,480 running in each pair has been just the Ansel died. 483 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,240 And I feel like that happened between like 150 and 200 miles. 484 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,680 And I'm on my third pair of those now, Yeah. 485 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,560 So that luckily did was not a problem with the Rocket X2, 486 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,120 although I got it to about 80, almost 90 miles and then said I 487 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,720 got to probably stop if someone I'm ripping this off. 488 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,000 Although for the viewers, I've decided I'm going to keep going 489 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,960 and just keep ripping through the outsole even if it gets 490 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080 slightly injured, just so I can try to get to the 100 mile and 491 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,360 go look what happened to this outsole. 492 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,440 So maybe that'll change with Rocket X three, but that's a 493 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,560 whole different conversation. Where are we going with this? 494 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800 I don't know. Totally lost my traded thought. 495 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,080 I think now it's time for you to tell your experience in the 496 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,640 Rocket X3. So I was actually very nervous 497 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,040 about the shoe because when I first saw it, I was like, oh 498 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,800 man, it looks more snug. I was. 499 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,120 It almost looked like they narrowed the midsole out just a 500 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,160 little bit. But then that was all alleviated 501 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,840 when I actually got my hands on it, was looking at it going OK, 502 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,960 It's got all the things that I was hoping for for a shoe that 503 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,240 because I was didn't know if we're going to lose a stable, 504 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,080 one of the rare stable neutral racing shoes. 505 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,040 But it has all the things I was hoping for for the viewers that 506 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,680 are seeing this on YouTube. It's got a wider mid foot. 507 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,200 The mid foot doesn't narrow. It's got this kind of central 508 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,520 groove, which a lot of companies have been doing like and 509 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,440 actually Hoka did this with the CLO X1 version 2. 510 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,120 Actually, if you hold that one up where they had this huge 511 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,920 medial cut out, which I'm not a huge fan of just because it 512 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,760 creates a lot of bias. Although Andrew, you might 513 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,920 disagree for your mechanics, it might be different for somebody 514 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760 looking for something stable. It's always nice to have this 515 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,160 central groove because if you take midsole material out, it's 516 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,640 going to say, wait, I don't like it on the lateral or medial side 517 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,000 because I feel like that starts to bias people in One Direction. 518 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,080 I prefer it down the middle like this because then you're likely 519 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,640 to go through the path of least resistance material more 520 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,600 resistance, you're more likely to stay in the middle and the 521 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,880 increase width is inherently more stable. 522 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,760 So that was first part going Oh, thank goodness. 523 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,200 OK, This is probably going to work better for me because I 524 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,760 know that that kind of design works. 525 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,160 I will also say there is a better heel bevel and this 526 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,640 wasn't too much of an issue, but it is still bevel laterally, 527 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480 which is great makes rear for transitions awesome and then the 528 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,120 other pieces is that the side walls are still pretty 529 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:55,560 significant on both sides, both the lateral and medial side. 530 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,920 And the last piece is knowing that they actually took the 531 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,640 plate, flared it a little bit with it's called, they call it 532 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,640 wings. And it actually, if you see on 533 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,000 this side slightly, actually comes up a little bit. 534 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,720 Some people that can irritate because you collapse into it and 535 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,680 you'll hit the plate and it feels like it's kind of pinching 536 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,680 into your foot. So just be aware if you try 537 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,920 this, that's what you're experiencing, it's because it 538 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,320 actually comes up a little bit. You might be compressed in the 539 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,000 middle enough to actually hit that. 540 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,880 That's not comfortable. It happens, but it also creates 541 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,800 additional rigidity and a little bit more resistance emotion, 542 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,160 which for me I really, really need because I just need to have 543 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,240 some that keeps me centered. It doesn't feel like a stability 544 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,200 shoot. It doesn't feel like there's a 545 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520 media post but I know this feels better because I can get this 546 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,440 through a 10 mile run and go Like I don't feel horrible 547 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960 versus a lot of super shoes that aren't stable. 548 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,200 I'll hit that 8 to 10 miles and go. 549 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,760 I don't feel good. I'm getting my ankles, getting 550 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,080 exhausted, my post tips irritated, my hip might be 551 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,400 fatiguing a little bit. This one I didn't get that 552 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,040 because I'm kept really nicely in the middle. 553 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,720 But IA 100% agree with you actually with the midsole and 554 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,640 the upper. The upper is more snug but it 555 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,800 doesn't have that weird thing with version 2 where I was like 556 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,480 it. The version 2 felt like it fit 557 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,000 short and I broke it in and I also like broke not my nails but 558 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,440 like I definitely got some blood blisters on my nails like 559 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960 dealing with that. This one fits true to size. 560 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,200 The upper issues not a thing. It's more snug, but the upper 561 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,480 definitely stretches a little bit more and it's way more 562 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,880 breathable than last version. So upper is great, really nicely 563 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,400 is secure, heel is rounded so people to have the deformities. 564 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,640 Like it actually didn't bother me at all, which is awesome to 565 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,960 stipe there being some stiffness. 566 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,360 And like you said, the Mitzel is so snappy. 567 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,800 It is so fun. Like I'm trying to get back in 568 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,280 shape and that kind of varies depending on either health stuff 569 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,920 or life stuff. And I was cranking back down 570 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,240 during a fart lick into like 5/25/10 pace pushing a stroller, 571 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,920 which I'm like, oh, this is good, this is special. 572 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,160 So yeah, I really enjoyed it. Definitely going to be a shoe 573 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,520 I'm going to use for 5K10K. If Richie and I can ever get 574 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,520 ourselves to do a half marathon after feeling like we almost 575 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,760 died after the last one, this would definitely be another 576 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,760 option. Because I really trust it. 577 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,680 Because it feels stable from rear foot to fore foot for me. 578 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360 As someone that generally needs some help staying in the middle, 579 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,560 especially because I tend to collapse medial quite a bit now. 580 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,480 That's why it works for me. What do you think? 581 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440 Let's dive a little bit more about why people like us, what 582 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680 they might need to pay attention to, and use this as a teaching 583 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,000 tool for things that are going to work or not going to work. 584 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,960 So I think one of the features of the sole design that makes 585 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,600 the four foot not work as well for me. 586 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,080 You know, you talked about the central groove here, but then 587 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,560 we've got a groove here with a cut out biased a little more 588 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,640 laterally. So that does make the medial 589 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,440 forefoot a little bit stiffer than the lateral forefoot. 590 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,040 So for me that may just be giving a little more resistance 591 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,440 to loading the medial aspect of my forefoot, which is something 592 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,760 that I tend to have trouble with. 593 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,120 So I think that design may be contributing. 594 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,360 I think also just the fact that there is no cut out here the way 595 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,000 that Cielo X12 point O has like this shoe is like a breath of 596 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 fresh air for me to run in. It just feels like it takes the 597 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,880 resistance out of loading my medial forefoot and it's just 598 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,680 honestly one of the most natural feeling super shoes I've run in, 599 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,200 which I know is just crazy and ridiculous, but like I love 600 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,720 running in this shoe. It was my top super shoe of the 601 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:34,480 year until I got Faster 3, which is absolutely my favorite super 602 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,200 shoe. I haven't done a race this year 603 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,120 longer than a mile, but I'm going to do a 5K in a couple 604 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,400 weeks and this is definitely going to be my ratio. 605 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560 And again, it's just such an aggressive design, but it works 606 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,960 for me because it takes that resistance out of getting on to 607 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,280 my first MTP. Yes, wait. 608 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,600 Can you, can you hold up? So I know I apologize to the 609 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,320 listeners, they're not going to be able to see this, but could 610 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,560 you hold the Rocket X3 or Yeah, Rocket X3 and the faster three 611 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,960 up just as an example, because I feel like the CLO, yeah, there's 612 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,360 a contrast, but like it's hard to contrast anything as hard as 613 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520 you're going to see with the faster 3 because you could you 614 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,320 give people a little bit more like explanation going, OK, 615 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,760 here's why we think that you're this is helping you load your 616 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,600 first MTP joint so much better for and then I'll talk about how 617 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000 that's kind of the opposite for me as someone who actually has a 618 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,040 slightly elevated first MTP joint and I I collapse like 619 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,880 crazy over the medial side. Right. 620 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040 And so here's the faster on the right. 621 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800 Of course, the forefoot and rear foot of the shoe are completely 622 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,560 separated. So for me, I basically land 623 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,120 here. Like I don't interact with the 624 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,000 back part of the shoe at all. It's only dirty for me walking 625 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,840 in it. So for me, I land here, it's got 626 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,120 a really sharp rocker and I really love the extended plate 627 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,880 because what I feel like it does for me is like I can land here. 628 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,840 I really get on to my first MTP, but the extended plate just 629 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,000 makes the four foot feel stiffer than any other super shoe I've 630 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,640 run in. And it just makes push off feel 631 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,920 that much snappier for me. And you know how we've all 632 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,280 experienced it with at least one super shoe. 633 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,640 Like there are some super shoes that you're just significantly 634 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200 faster in. And I've been chasing that 635 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,240 feeling that I had in the original alpha fly. 636 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,640 Like I've been looking for my alpha fly replacement. 637 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720 None of the, you know, alpha fly 2-3. 638 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720 None of them felt the same as the original 1. 639 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,120 We're like, I could just consistently expect that my race 640 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,280 pace be like 10 to 610 to 15 seconds faster per mile than if 641 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,200 I was running in like just an everyday super shoe, right? 642 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,560 And faster feels that way for me. 643 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,360 And CLO X12 point O feels that way for me. 644 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,040 And it's I think it's because of how aggressive they have 645 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,960 designed the midsole, particularly the cutouts that 646 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,080 just make it so much easier for me to get on to my first MTP at 647 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,040 push off. And I think the reason I like 648 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:20,640 faster better than CLO X12 point O is 1 faster is a lot lighter. 649 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,880 It's sub 6 oz I believe I. Believe it's sub 6 oz. 650 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Yeah. Which was insane. 651 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,400 It's like really shoe Taylor for marathons. 652 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,080 Yeah, it is crazy light, but it just it feels very light on 653 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,440 foot, but it feels faster to me than CLOX one like comparing the 654 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:44,840 two CLO X12 point O feels just a little softer and a little less 655 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,760 aggressive. I still love it. 656 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,680 Like whenever I can I like I'll try to do one of my progression 657 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,400 runs in it, but faster is without question like my 658 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,320 favorite racing shoe for longer than a mile of the year. 659 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,200 I just haven't done 1 yet, but I'll get back to you guys in a 660 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,840 couple weeks when I get the one done in August. 661 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,040 Sweet. Yeah, you might have to get 100 662 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000 mile review of the Cielo X1 version 2 and get a race review 663 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,639 of the fast *3 going up. So that makes total sense. 664 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,360 And I, I totally respect that and I know that makes sense. 665 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,719 Especially the Fast Star 3 is like you've got your landing 666 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,199 place. This is really nice pad right 667 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,679 there, an extension for you to land on and then roll right 668 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,760 through the forefoot. What's probably troubling is, 669 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040 and gosh, what's this through am I thinking about? 670 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920 I would bet money you would not do well with a lot of the Adidas 671 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,960 shoes because the way that their Forefoots are designed is 672 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,679 exactly the opposite where there's actually the forefoot 673 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,639 rocker is bevelled. So you go this direction, which 674 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,800 works really well for me because I'm the opposite of Andrew. 675 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,760 Even though our landing place isn't that different. 676 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,280 Mine's either I'm either a heel striker or I'm landing at that 677 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,679 like that middle mid poster, middle midfoot. 678 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,040 And if something's missing there, if I've got a gap there, 679 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,200 it just feels like the shoes kind of like giving way or I'll 680 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,080 just catch that outsole like crazy and start ripping it off. 681 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,600 But then I accelerate so quickly lateral that I really need some 682 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,240 stuff filled in on that medial side to not necessarily stop me 683 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,640 but help guide me and get me through that forefoot. 684 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,440 And then the same thing I've got the issue is my the my first 685 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,760 toe, my or the first ray, that first long bone is slightly 686 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,480 elevated compared to the rest of the shoe. 687 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,680 So like when I land, if I'm standing there, if I get back on 688 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,880 my heel, I've got a neutral ankle position. 689 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,920 If I roll on my forefoot, I naturally collapse inwards. 690 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,320 And so any kind of forefoot medial stability, I do super, 691 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,120 super well in which not very many people do anymore, but 692 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,280 that's a different story. So this is really great with the 693 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,360 wing plate and some of the and the fact that there's more, like 694 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,840 you mentioned, there's a lot more outsole material on the 695 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,960 medial side and you got the lateral cut out at that very end 696 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040 top and there's not as much material on the lateral 697 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,000 forefoot. So that as I've been saved by 698 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,080 that filled in midfoot area, which stops me from collapsing 699 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,640 so quickly, right? It doesn't stop, right. 700 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,200 It's not a stability shoe, but it's just enough resistance that 701 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200 I'm moving faster to get me through here and then help me 702 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,800 supinate, which is what I struggle with. 703 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,880 Whereas you that's not an issue. You go, you supinate too much if 704 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,120 the shoe takes you that way versus I just collapse if I 705 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,600 don't have a little bit of guidance there. 706 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,720 So it's interesting. You can have peep two people 707 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:29,040 with completely opposite mechanics, obviously that 708 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,080 respond completely opposite with shoes. 709 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,000 So somebody like that's why it's so important to us to have 710 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480 multiple reviewers on shoes as we all know that we're different 711 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,080 and we interpret shoes and respond to them differently. 712 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,960 And so our hope is either with one of us or another reviewer, 713 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,720 honestly doesn't matter because we want we are educators. 714 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,200 We're not influencers. Our goal is help you figure out 715 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,120 what's going to work best for you because we just want you to 716 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,480 run healthy, not get hurt, right? 717 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,480 We don't actually want to have to see if you don't have to. 718 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,640 It's preferable, right? What are the few professions 719 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,480 that get to be preventative? Although if you want to see us, 720 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,720 let us know. We do telehealth. 721 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,240 But besides that, we want you to be able to identify whose 722 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,760 mechanics are most similar to yours. 723 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,080 So you can go, oh, that shoe is or isn't working for them. 724 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,120 I can probably predict that. More than likely I'm going to 725 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,440 have a similar experience. So that's why if you have 726 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,440 stability, especially in the medial side, this shoe might 727 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,000 work for you if you really land similar to Andrea or if you 728 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,320 don't do well with shoes that give you a little bit more 729 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,000 stiffness in the frontal plane, especially on that medial side, 730 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,320 it may not work. And that's again, from what I 731 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,360 understand Hoch is trying to do with differentiating CLO X1 732 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,760 version 2 and the Rocket X3 is the Rocket X3 is supposed to be 733 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,600 the more stable shoe. CLX one version 2 got OK, we got 734 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,960 to we got to shorten these names up. 735 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,720 People like I can't keep doing this. 736 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,480 I know. It's just too many words, yes. 737 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,720 There's too many words. Adidas also I Adidas, I love you 738 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:55,800 guys. I got to call you guys are the 739 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,040 worst. What is it like the Adidas ADI 740 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,400 0X3 prime? I said that wrong, but it's 741 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,040 like, I can't, I can't do it anyway. 742 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,960 So yeah, different the the the shoes are very nicely 743 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440 differentiated. And I think the last versions 744 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,040 were really different with the, the introduction of the CLO X1 745 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,600 version two, it was kind of like, oh, these kind of might be 746 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,840 similar, but there's design characteristics make them so 747 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,600 different that I think they're going to work differently for 748 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,200 different people, which explains why Rocket X3 is working for me 749 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,080 and Cielo X1V2 is working for you so well. 750 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,440 Any other thoughts on this? It was interesting you said made 751 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,120 that comment about Adidas shoes. Adidas has never sent me any of 752 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,480 their super shoes, but I've gotten the Boston the ad is. 753 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,280 They're like lightweight trainer. 754 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,840 What is that called? Adios Ada 0 something. 755 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,600 Oh, I think they said you like that. 756 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,600 Was it the audios? Eight, yes, yeah, yes, yeah. 757 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,120 And I thought I was going to love both of those shoes. 758 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,560 They fit great, but I felt like I had like clown shoes on. 759 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,520 They just don't line up with my foot. 760 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,040 And I felt like maybe it had to do with where the four foot 761 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,280 rocker is. But it's interesting you made 762 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,960 that comment about how the four foot is angled. 763 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,120 But yeah, like I tried running on my treadmill in both of those 764 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,480 shoes and after 1/2 mile I was like, I just can't do this. 765 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200 And which was a big bummer because I was, I thought, you 766 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,120 know, particularly the audios 8, I thought that would be a 767 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,080 favorite of mine, but I just, I can't run in them. 768 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,720 That almost makes me wonder how you do with the audios 4 or the 769 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,960 Audios Pro 4 because it's got the angle forefoot, but it also 770 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,760 has this massive medial cut out so that I I yeah, I have. 771 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,760 I would. I can't predict how that would 772 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,960 go. I have no idea. 773 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,840 That would be an expensive experiment, yeah. 774 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,360 I might have to order you up for Running Warehouse just to find 775 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,720 out, but I want that to be positive. 776 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,800 Once you just show me like I broke my ankle, I'm like, oh, of 777 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,200 course. I'm just kidding, knock on web. 778 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,200 I shouldn't joke about that. Got it. 779 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,800 Any other thoughts on the Rocket X3 and any thoughts for people 780 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120 to be aware of Because again, our goal is we're not Pooh 781 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,160 poohing on the shoe, right? We have different experiences. 782 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,400 I think it's a great shoe, Andrew. 783 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,600 I'm not sure how you feel about it in terms of, but just knowing 784 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,440 that it's just not not a shoe for you because it's just not 785 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,880 going to match your mechanics. But I think it's a great cheer 786 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,200 too. Yeah, it fits great. 787 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,640 It's comfortable. It just it doesn't work for me, 788 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,840 but I think for people who have medial stability needs, it's 789 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,120 going to be a great option. Whereas the CLO X1 2.0 clearly 790 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,320 is not a good option for people with medial stability needs. 791 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,240 So it's nice that Hoka does have these two options in their 792 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,880 lineup because you really don't see that from any other company. 793 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,320 Does any other company have like a a line up that's 794 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,400 differentiated like that? I don't think so. 795 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,320 No, certainly not from a stable category. 796 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,120 There's ones where it's like 1 is supposed to be the more 797 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680 aggressive marathon shoe and one is more the like, hey, you could 798 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,720 do a little bit more in this. Like Soccerty has the Endorphin 799 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,080 Elite 2 versus the Soccerty Dorphin Pro 4. 800 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,720 And I would say the Pro 4 is the more friendly is not the right 801 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,720 word because it's still stiff and it's definitely a super 802 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:13,560 shoe, but it's the one that I think more people are going to 803 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,480 be able to handle. Compare the Endorphin Elite 2 is 804 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,720 that's that's an aggressive soft shoe like that thing is not 805 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:21,840 stable. And I think it's more tuned to 806 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,480 people who like that or really, really, really elite runners. 807 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,760 Whereas the Endorphin Pro 4 is the more OK, a greater number of 808 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,680 the population is going to be able to handle this. 809 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,560 You know, Nike with the Alpha Fly versus the Vapor Fly. 810 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,200 You know, it's the Vapor Fly is kind of where that middle 811 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,680 distance shoe. Whereas the Alpha is going to be 812 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,440 the more pure marathon bracer, Although I think people use 813 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960 those interchangeably regardless, but they're just two 814 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,640 different shoes. But having a more stable or a 815 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,840 not not as guiding concept, I think it's really great. 816 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,120 And I want to applaud Hoka for that because it's like great. 817 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,680 We still have options and within the same company we have some 818 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,280 some two different shoes that have clearly, even though you 819 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,440 can easily use them for the same difference, it's just the 820 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,400 function and who they're going to work for is different enough 821 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960 to go. I understand why you why you 822 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,920 have these. Yeah. 823 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,480 And you know, the Rocket X3 is $250, which these days is 824 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,240 actually on the less expensive end of super shoes, which is sad 825 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:26,080 to say, but true. So I think Hoka has done a great 826 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,040 thing coming out with these two shoes, which are both legitimate 827 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,000 super shoes that could both be used for a range of distances. 828 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,080 But like you said, they just have very different stability 829 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,360 profiles and that means that more people will be able to find 830 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,240 one of those two shoes that works for them. 831 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,000 Weird. Last question, do you think 832 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,600 there's a world where somebody would be able to use in both of 833 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,680 them or you think they're different enough? 834 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,280 That's like, it's probably going to match people completely 835 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,120 differently. My bias is the second. 836 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,080 Second one, yeah, I think they're different enough. 837 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,400 I would say CLOX One the original with its lateral cut 838 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,600 out perhaps would be more similar to Rocket X3 simply 839 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,240 because I would actually include Clox One one point O the 840 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:17,040 original in the stable neutral category. 841 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,360 Absolutely. Yeah. 842 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,440 So I think that shoe is closer in stability to the Rocket X3 as 843 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040 compared to Clox 12 point O. But I agree that I don't think, 844 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,400 I think these are so different that I think most people are 845 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,000 probably going to gravitate towards 1. 846 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,600 And I mean are probably not like they're different enough that 847 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,920 they're not somebody's like, oh, well, I have different uses for 848 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,960 this. I'm like, Nah, this is probably 849 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,520 going to work better for you because they are versed enough. 850 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,840 If they are working for your mechanics, then you could be 851 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,920 able to use them for a variety of things, which is also great 852 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,240 because I know there's a lot of super shoes are getting to the 853 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,600 point where it's like, oh, this is really only for this thing. 854 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,920 Like you can only use this for this distance. 855 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,920 And I'm like that kind of stinks, right, using this like I 856 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,440 I get like specificity of training and stuff like that, 857 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,280 but you're dropping like 250 now it's like 280 like almost 300 858 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,360 bucks. I want a shoe that can handle 859 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,400 everything from the five Ki get the miles a different story 860 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,920 right? That's where the the streak fly 861 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,280 and stuff like that, which the streak fly 2 specifically is 862 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,320 great, but like the rest everything else, I want it to 863 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,080 work from 5K to marathon because like I'm spending all this 864 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,880 money, the shoes has all these foam stuff like that. 865 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,680 But maybe that's me. I don't know. 866 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,760 Do you feel like you could use the fast start or this yellow 867 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,880 X12 point O for 5K to marathon or not so much It's a. 868 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,600 Good question. You know, I just haven't done a 869 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:38,200 run longer than like 13 miles in, you know, almost a year. 870 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,560 So it's really hard to say how either of those shoes would feel 871 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,720 if I took them on like a legitimate long run. 872 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:50,960 But maybe I think just based on the firmness of the two shoes, I 873 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,120 would think that faster would be more likely to be a marathon 874 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,880 shoe for me as compared to Cielo X12 Point O. 875 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,120 But you know how it is. Things can feel great for 10 876 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,680 miles, but then once you get up above 16, it's just a whole 877 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,600 nother story. Got it. 878 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,280 Can I bring something out? Because we've gotten a ton of 879 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,840 e-mail questions about this recently. 880 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,200 So this is going off topic and this is not necessarily what 881 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,880 this podcast was about, but we've, I've gotten, we've gotten 882 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,600 so many emails about this recently asking, oh, I just got 883 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,840 this super shoe. It works really well for like, 884 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,080 like sometimes, but not always. Should I use it for my marathon 885 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,080 shoe? And, and I think one of the most 886 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,880 important tests for that is you got to use it for at least one 887 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,480 long run. And we have talked about this 888 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,800 before, but we've got enough messages recently. 889 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960 I think it's because people are gearing up for fall marathons is 890 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,120 what I assume people are slowly reaching out to shoes in the 891 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,520 summer and they're getting stuff. 892 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,480 It's like, yeah, if a shoe works, you know, one to 10 893 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000 miles, fine. But that's not enough to know 894 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,400 and to have a good decent idea of what things are going to feel 895 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,120 like after the thing's been on your feet for two and a half 3/4 896 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,960 plus hours. Like you don't know until you've 897 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,760 done a marathon to a either a marathon pace, longer run or a 898 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,120 long run. And so I think that's a totally 899 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,400 viable answer that you had to go. 900 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,000 I don't know because I have I've only take it for 10 to 13. 901 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,880 I've gotten pretty in tune with my body to know, like just to 902 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,520 know when for sure it's not going to work. 903 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,480 Like if I'm running in a shoot, I'm like, I get to 10 miles. 904 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,560 I'm like, my ankle already hurts. 905 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,000 I'm like, there's there's no way, but I've taken the rocket 906 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,600 X3 for a for 12 miles total and it's totally fine. 907 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,240 But even that, you know, to your point, I can't know for sure. 908 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,480 I would actually have to do a marathon pace long run. 909 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,480 I have I'm the same boat. I'm pushing a stroller. 910 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,160 I'm not doing a marathon with a stroller. 911 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,520 It's hard, hard enough pushing this thing anyway, but it's done 912 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,680 1/2 marathon. And the Alphafly actually worked 913 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,280 pretty well for that, despite the left side, the chunk coming 914 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,000 off the heel at mile 2. Yeah, just saved your weight. 915 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,280 Yeah. But even before that, I was, I 916 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,960 went and tested 12 to 13 miles in the outfly several times to 917 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,240 go with not just a long run, but did like a long up temple runs 918 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:12,440 and threshold runs to go, OK, can I handle this shoe for 10 919 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,200 miles? Right. 920 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,120 I'm going to do a half marathon. And it was fine. 921 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,080 I'm like, OK, I can become a marathon. 922 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,920 You need to get that thing up 1820 miles to be confident or 923 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600 else you're going into the land of the no. 924 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,280 And some people are fine with that, I think. 925 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,520 Personally, I'm not cuz I wanna finish the race, cuz your time 926 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,200 only counts if you finish. But that's to be so if you wanna 927 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,600 know if she's gonna work for you, if you can, you need to 928 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,760 have some kind of simulation that emulates that in some way. 929 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,240 And only then are you going to know. 930 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,800 Yeah, and honestly. I would be able to hit yeah. 931 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,720 Yeah, I'd say you need to do more than one long run in the 932 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:47,920 shoe. You think you're going to race 933 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,160 your marathon in one because the shoe is going to break in and 2A 934 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,800 shoe is going to feel different on like a 16 mile easy run than 935 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,280 it is 16 miles with, you know, 8 miles at marathon pace or 20 936 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,320 miles with 10 miles at marathon pace. 937 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,600 So you can't just buy a shoe, take it for one long run and 938 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,080 say, oh, it felt fine and be confident that it's going to be 939 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,880 your race shoe. You need to be sure. 940 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,160 Now you don't want to put, I wouldn't put 100 miles on a 941 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,600 super shoe and then erase a marathon in it because then you 942 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,920 might be getting into, you know, you've kind of worn out the 943 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,360 foam, like you don't have its best properties still, but you 944 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,840 probably want to get like 30 to 40 miles on the shoe before you 945 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,280 are sure that it is your marathon race shoe. 946 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,880 That actually answers the question I was about to ask you, 947 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,680 and I'm still going to ask you because that's the other thing 948 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,360 that we get asked is, hey, the reason people are asked this 949 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,320 question is like I have the one of them was asking about the 950 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,720 fast *3 actually going. I don't want to put too many 951 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,040 miles in this because I'm afraid the phone's going to wear out 952 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,880 and I'm going to save it, keep it as fresh as possible. 953 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,600 How would you respond to that? You know, every shoe is going to 954 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,640 be different and it's going to be different for each 955 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,760 individual, right? But in my experience, like I try 956 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600 when I was training for marathons, I would try to have 957 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,440 my race shoe be a shoe that had like 30 to 40 miles on it. 958 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,520 And so that might have meant that I had already done a ton of 959 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,200 long runs in a previous training block on an older pair of shoes. 960 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,720 And then I got a newer pair closer to my next race so that I 961 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,480 broke it in, but it wasn't worn out. 962 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,640 But for it seems to be like pretty consistent like that 963 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,840 sweet spot around like 50 miles is where I want to have the shoe 964 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,200 be before I erase in it. Any more than that, you might be 965 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,280 starting to get some foam degradation or the outsole might 966 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,440 have worn out enough that it's affecting you know how the shoe 967 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,640 rides. So, but, you know, I, I weigh a 968 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,640 certain amount, I run a certain way. 969 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,520 The way that I wear out shoes is going to be different than the 970 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,120 way you wear out shoes or another person wears out shoes. 971 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,080 So you kind of have to, if you're a more experienced 972 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,680 runner, if you've run a marathon before, you might have an idea 973 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,680 of like, Oh yeah, that shoe. I did the New York Marathon and 974 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,040 last year it really felt like it started to lose its bound said 975 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,640 70 miles or after 30 miles it started feeling dead. 976 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,440 And well then that might just be like how you wear out shoes 977 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,200 based on the forces you put into the shoe. 978 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,280 And that might guide you in your next training block for how many 979 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,360 miles you get on your potential ratio next time. 980 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,120 I think yes, and it but I think it is important that the cause 981 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,480 one of the things that I've talked about before is that the 982 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,240 shoe you have to break the shoe in. 983 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,160 So you have to have to break your own body into the shoe. 984 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,560 It's a two way, it's two way street where a shoe adapts to 985 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,440 you and you have to adapt to it. And that doesn't happen 986 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,440 overnight. And it definitely, you know, it 987 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,720 doesn't happen with what Maybe if you know, if you know your 988 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,120 body really well, you have a lot of experience, you might be able 989 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,320 to do it with one long run. But I think most people would 990 00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,840 need a little bit more. But for those who are 991 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,360 experienced and know what they're doing and are really, 992 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,880 really paying attention, I think at least one long run is the 993 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,880 minimum that needs to happen. But optimally you would do more. 994 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,880 Because again, what I what I said earlier is you don't get 995 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,320 bonus points for running the race fast and not finishing. 996 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,160 You get the, you get the credit when you finish the race. 997 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,800 So you want to make sure you can be able to finish when you're 998 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,200 talking that distance. Yeah, yeah. 999 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,920 Like a good example of that when I was going to do the Osaka 1000 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,280 Marathon before I got COVID 2 weeks out, you know, Mizuno had 1001 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,920 given me a pair of the Wave Rebellion Pro 3 that I trained 1002 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,920 in, you know, all winter. But then they told me that we 1003 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,120 were going to get a new special red color way for the race and 1004 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,880 we could either get it in Japan or they could send it to us 1005 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,240 ahead of time. And I was like, please send it 1006 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,920 to me ahead of time because I want to break it in before I 1007 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,280 actually race in it. I can't imagine, and I know 1008 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,320 people do this like I know pros do this. 1009 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,480 Like I was reading Des Linden's book and when she won Boston, I 1010 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,520 think the shoe she won in she had only gotten a few days 1011 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,720 prior. Yeah, that's crazy. 1012 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,720 But even if it's the same shoe, just a new pair that I've been 1013 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,280 running in, I would still want to break it in before actually 1014 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,320 doing a race in it. Now, would I do that for a 5K? 1015 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,000 Maybe not, you know? Yeah, But for a marathon, yeah. 1016 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,520 You're going to want to break in that shoe before you actually do 1017 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,920 the race. I'd say even like half marathon 1018 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,040 would be terrifying, but I think you could get away with it more. 1019 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,880 Yeah, 5K10K, obviously. Yeah, you can get away with 1020 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,760 that. Once you get half marathon and 1021 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,800 beyond. Like marathon, you're out there 1022 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160 for so long and there's so many variables. 1023 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,320 That's not something I think I would mess with. 1024 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,440 No, because. Right, you want to be secure. 1025 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,960 Yeah, there's variations in quality control. 1026 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,880 What if you get like a defective pair and the foam feels bad or 1027 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,560 you RIP the outsole off? I-1 of my pairs of Alphafly 1028 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,680 ones, I ripped, you know, the this part of the heel off after 1029 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,520 like 15 miles. And I've never done that on a 1030 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,160 shoe before. And I was I was in the middle of 1031 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,640 a workout, so I just ripped it off all the way and kept doing 1032 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,440 my workout. How come you didn't tell us 1033 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,000 this? Everybody makes fun of me for 1034 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,120 doing that and I'm not the only one that that's happened to. 1035 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,800 It's a shameful I. Am offended OK, now we know but 1036 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,240 Bach if you're listening, we need to take that segment and 1037 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,000 just that thing and blast it repeatedly go I'm not the only 1038 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,200 one that has ripped no. So yeah, you could have gotten a 1039 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,520 done pair and you want to know it before you run your the thing 1040 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,360 that you've been training for for four months. 1041 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,320 I have run a marathon in a new pair of shoes, but it was a pair 1042 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,720 of Vapor Fly Threes and I was like, all right, I know the 1043 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,400 shoe. This it was like my third pair 1044 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,600 of Vapor Fly Threes. So I didn't have too much 1045 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,760 concern and it was fine. But in general, break them in. 1046 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,920 Yeah, to to, to kind of to wrap this up, the I did, we, I've 1047 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,800 done another episode talking about the variation like kind of 1048 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,160 like not secrets of the footwear industry, but kind of, but the 1049 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,480 people don't realize that shoe consistency is very variable. 1050 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,080 Like depending especially what the most important thing that 1051 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,720 happens is not only the foaming and process like that, but how 1052 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,560 they're shipped over to the United States. 1053 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,640 So whether they go by airplane or boat, all these these the 1054 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,080 shoes are in containers and depending on the outside weather 1055 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,840 and barometer changes and temperature changes that those 1056 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,280 that makes huge impacts on the foam properties and can change 1057 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,200 the glue and stuff like that. So you have no idea what you're 1058 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,680 going to get. So do taking a shoe 1059 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,480 out-of-the-box and using it for a like a long race is a very 1060 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,440 much a gamble because you don't know what the weather unless 1061 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,680 you're, you can track exactly where the shoe was and you can 1062 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,920 track the weather system and you're smarter to, you know, 1063 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,920 most of us, I'm not going to don't know how to do that. 1064 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,920 But you know, there's differences in quality control, 1065 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,960 not with what happens in the factory, which there are those, 1066 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,960 but the most significant ones happen as they're during 1067 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,040 transfer, during transfer and travel. 1068 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,280 So you have no idea where you're going to get or if it's going to 1069 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,120 feel the same. And sometimes it it will and 1070 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,120 sometimes it won't. Yeah. 1071 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,680 One thing I would add to that before we wrap up, I think 1072 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,880 particularly the first year of the pandemic when factories in 1073 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,200 Asia closed and they had to find new places to manufacture things 1074 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,160 in the bike industry. We definitely saw, you know, in 1075 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,800 the year or two after that, so many more warranty issues 1076 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,720 because things were being made in different factories than, you 1077 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,480 know, normal. So of course, the people making 1078 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,160 them possibly weren't as experienced with the process. 1079 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,440 So in the running shoe industry, I'm sure that was the same way. 1080 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,720 And think about how many, what was it, where all of the like 1081 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,400 container ships got backed up in the ports in California? 1082 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,760 Oh yeah, they closed the ports. Yeah, yeah. 1083 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,320 So. Sitting there in the heat. 1084 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,720 Yeah. So hopefully, you know, 1085 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,440 something like that never happens again, but you do have 1086 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,520 these like very weird things that occurred that can affect 1087 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,480 the quality of the product you're buying. 1088 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,840 So that's why I think we could definitely, this is supposed to 1089 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,560 be an episode about us to screen because actually it's agreeing 1090 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,360 on most of go, yeah, this is going to work for different 1091 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,080 people and you do test your shoes out. 1092 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,840 I understand wanting to save the bounce, but the bounce is only 1093 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,440 going to take you so far if there's other quality issues or 1094 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,560 or unknowns. And I would say I would for a 1095 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,320 long race would rather know what I have my foot in rather than 1096 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,040 going OK. But I think the minimum is 1097 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,440 having one long run getting the most similar thing you can get. 1098 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,360 But as Andrew mentioned, I think the the more you can get. 1099 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,160 And I I totally agree getting like 30-40 miles in the shoe 1100 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:42,960 would make it a lot better actually. 1101 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,080 You know, the the ASICS Metaspeed Edge Paris that I ran 1102 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,280 the 1657 with with Isabella that you actually had 100 miles on it 1103 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,200 when I ran that race. So there you go some foam stick 1104 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,480 around for a while. So yeah, as always, we hope this 1105 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,560 this is helpful. 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