1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,480 Taking breaks from running because of running related 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,040 injuries can really be a discouragement in your process 3 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,320 of training and that's why I have loved having access to the 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,880 lever movement system both as a physical therapist and 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,600 personally. It is a loud, a earlier and very 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,760 intentional and sequential return to running to really 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,880 manage the amount of load that is being put through the tissues 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,800 that have been injured. Whether that's from a tendon 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,080 issue or something like a bone stress injury, the lever 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,400 movement system is extremely affordable and completely 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 portable, allowing it to be used at really any treadmill. 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,560 So if you're looking at a way to help you as you return back from 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,000 different types of running injuries, you can look at 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,200 levermovement.com and check out their systems. 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,080 And you can also use Dor 20 for 20% off your purchase. 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,320 Hi everyone and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast where 17 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:08,600 we a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,840 art and the science of the things that we are putting on 19 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,840 our feet. Today we have myself, David 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,200 Solis, and we have Doctor Matthew Klein, the founder of 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,960 Doctors of Running. And today we have a little bit 22 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,760 of a different episode. I kind of feel like it goes 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,120 along the same line in vain as the buy sell episodes. 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,680 It's a little bit of a kind of a pro con type of thing and we're 25 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,800 going to be talking about the best and the worst things that 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,680 we see from respective companies. 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000 So this might get a little bit spicy, but before we get into 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,520 that, how you doing, Matt? Doing good. 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,600 I'm excited for this. We're ready to do some what's on 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,840 our feet. Yeah, man. 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,440 So this is, as always, powered by Scratch Labs. 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,520 So we're going to be talking about what's on our feet and 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,600 what we're testing. What do you got? 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,640 So I've got some interesting stuff. 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,680 The big one that I have quietly been doing is I have the Hoka 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Rocketext Trail and actually almost have 100 miles on these. 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,000 So not only going to hit up a written review on this, but 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,440 almost have 100 miles and the outsole is actually doing quite 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,760 well. That's probably because I've 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,800 kept it to only trail, which is great. 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,720 Lots of trail miles pushing a stroller, but this has been 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,920 really good. My only caveat is this shoe fits 43 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,640 about 1/2 size small for the first like 50 miles or so. 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,760 Then things start to open up. But I've also been wearing 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,600 really thin socks, the Adidas if they're called super light socks 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,240 with just I get on Amazon, it's like a six pack for 15 bucks. 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 It's been really great for this. Yeah, it's great. 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,280 Just started getting a couple of pairs if I'm wearing through 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,680 older socks and having a transition, but it's been a 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,080 solid shoe. It's definitely one of the true 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,400 super trail shoes out there. I think a lot of other shoes 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,040 have definitely tried and kind of hit the mark or I kind of 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,680 missed the mark and there was a big kind of heavy, clunky, you 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,680 know, the ASICS that their version was just a little bit 55 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,400 too stiff and like yeah, it was rolling, but I just never gotten 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,880 to agree with that. The only other exceptions that 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,360 was Puma, which is great. It wasn't quite stable enough. 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,000 And Adidas the their shoe also is definitely definitely super 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,560 shoe, but just not quite stable enough. 60 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,840 What I like is this is probably the only true lighter super 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,760 trail shoe that is actually stable neutral. 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,680 It does a really great job, but it's been phenomenal. 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,400 So hoping to have that review come up pretty soon. 64 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,320 Question for you. Yeah. 65 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840 It does fit a half size small though, so people consider half 66 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,080 size up for doing long distances. 67 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,440 This is not at all what it was intended for, but could you run 68 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,800 a road race in it? Oh, you absolutely could. 69 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,240 You absolutely could. Yeah. 70 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,800 I did a track workout in this yesterday and it did 71 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,880 phenomenally not. That your stable super shoe. 72 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,360 No, it's stable super shoe for the. 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,320 I mean, that's not it's full intended purpose, but it might 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,960 be one of the closest. No, no, it's not at all. 75 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Yeah, it might be the one of the closest. 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,120 If you gave me a lighter version of this in like the Rocket X3, 77 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,640 I'd be really happy because Rocket X3 to me, I felt like 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,920 even though it's sub milliliter drop, it just feels too 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,960 aggressive. It actually feels a lot lower 80 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,320 and just give me that like traditional wide platform, 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,480 that's all I'm asking for. But yeah, I maybe for somebody, 82 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,440 but I wouldn't suggest this 'cause you are going to tear 83 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,760 through the lugs pretty quick. So I've really tried to avoid 84 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,240 the road for that reason. I will say though, like even 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,320 given your mechanics and everything, if you hold that 86 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,920 shoe up again one more time for the viewers, that's his left 87 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,480 foot. I mean, I barely see anywhere on 88 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,960 that posterior lateral heel from here. 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,760 That looks insane. Like normally that thing is 90 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,880 clean off, you know, by 40 miles. 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,520 What happens when you only use them for trail? 92 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,120 So do you only scuff your heel on the road? 93 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,640 I think I, well, you don't get as much friction, right, because 94 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,680 I'm running on like bark dust and soft dirt. 95 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,320 So like trail shoes tend to last forever for me until I take them 96 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,000 on road. And I've really, really avoided 97 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,840 being on road with these and it's done great. 98 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,280 So a road to that. Maybe it should just stick on 99 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,840 trail, but yeah, maybe. Speaking of a road though, the 100 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,600 other shoe I've been getting miles on and I about to hit 100 101 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,080 miles on we. Gotta upload that video. 102 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,280 Yeah, I'm gonna upload that, but the a six 2014, I don't know how 103 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:14,520 I'll say this, but I'm gonna get I'm getting to 100 miles and I 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,520 hate this shoe, but I'm going to do it because I know it's very 105 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,560 popular and I'm going to get this even though I'm pretty sure 106 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,920 this shoe gave me Achilles testinopathy because just the 107 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,480 way that the the heel is so clunky, like version 13 and 12 108 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,920 were great. This just took a massive step 109 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,960 backwards with like they decrease the bevel, there's 110 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,600 posterior flare, it stinks. And then the way the uppers is 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,480 designed like it's stiff and it like digs in your Achilles. 112 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,840 It's like it is positioned more anterior and it was terrible 113 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,040 until I finally decided, you know what, I'm going to do what 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,040 I did in college and I'm literally going to cut this in 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,000 half and for the viewers who can actually see this and we'll 116 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,520 upload the video because I took it. 117 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,280 I took AI buzz saw and buzzed the Achilles tab in half and 118 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:00,680 that actually made it a lot better. 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,200 So it's no longer digging into my heel. 120 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,600 It's still clunky, but it solved a lot of the issues. 121 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,320 So I'm going to get that review and I'll complain about if you 122 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,480 land like mid foot forward, you're going to be fine. 123 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,600 If you're a heel striker, this is rough. 124 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,360 So those are my two really big ones right now that we can talk 125 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,440 about and review at the moment. So yeah, causing carnage and 126 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,000 then others and then some other ways things are lasting longer 127 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,160 than you would expect. You know, it honestly really 128 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,640 surprises me that we've gone this long with Doctors of 129 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,680 Running and we have not had a video of one of us sawing a 130 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,280 shoe. Yeah, the I don't know if I. 131 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:36,000 Whether it be in half or just a piece or whatever. 132 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,400 Like doing something crazy. I'm probably going to start 133 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,760 doing that again. For those who do like, like the 134 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,760 OGS may have heard me talk about this like during our first few 135 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,080 episodes, but I was in college, I was working at running stores 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,920 and very lucky that I had lots of product then. 137 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,480 But I would cut stuff, I would take shoes, modify them, cut 138 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,880 them in half. And I used to cut heel counters 139 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,360 and heel tabs like that all the time. 140 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,440 So I was like, I was going to do this. 141 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,680 I used to modify shoes all the time. 142 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,280 And once I ran doing that, I wanted to know what was inside. 143 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:04,240 So I'd cut them in half. And yeah, I wasn't doing 144 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,160 reviews, so I was just curious. And my roommates in college 145 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,160 thought I was insane. And that's kind of true. 146 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,080 But you know, that's a different story, so. 147 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Would you ever do any of the slits in the forefoot? 148 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,400 I know a lot of people will do that to kind of help with 149 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,720 volume. I did not I I did try that once 150 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,720 and I ruined the shoe so I didn't try that again. 151 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,120 It's risky business for sure. Like I feel like you could 152 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,400 easily start a hole that could start expanding in the not so 153 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,960 distant future from. Doing that, I did that with a 154 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,520 pair of pair of Pegasus, which back in that time I was like in 155 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,680 my mentalist days, I didn't want to run with anything higher than 156 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,480 a 4mm drop. So I cut the heels down and I 157 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,400 was like, OK, this is better. Even though it was clearly not, 158 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,520 it was asymmetric and probably causing all kinds of issues. 159 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,120 And then I try, I was like, I can open the toe box more and 160 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,800 then I cut it and it like I did it. 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,040 I did just wrong. And a lot of the upper separated 162 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,680 from the shoe. And so it's just hanging there 163 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 and I'm like, this is my foot would like slide out and I'm 164 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,800 like, I can't run this. So I just destroyed. 165 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,480 This. That's not good. 166 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Shoe. So yeah. 167 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,400 I'll get into what I have on my feet that we'll be getting out, 168 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,760 but I can only say so much about these. 169 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,880 We've got the Mizuno Prototype Pure. 170 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,880 I can pretty much only say that they exist and will exist in 171 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:25,000 December. Also, we've got the Mizuno 172 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:33,120 prototype Elite also exists and the Prototype Pro. 173 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,919 You can probably guess they're all going to be super shoes. 174 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,840 That's about all I can say at this time. 175 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,799 So that's what I've got on my feet right now, and that's what 176 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,400 we we're doing some testing. We want to make sure we get out 177 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,000 some good reviews in December when we can actually talk more 178 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,960 about them. But as of right now, you know, 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,040 they're coming and they're fun, for what it's worth. 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,760 And yeah, that's about all I can say. 181 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Yeah, we'll have some interesting conversations about 182 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,840 those those issues, some interesting stuff happening. 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,720 For sure. But yeah, we'll get into 184 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,680 everything that we're talking about today and that's going to 185 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,760 be the best and the worst thing from each respective company and 186 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,600 we'll go as through as many as we can. 187 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,320 We'll keep an eye on the time here, but I'm going to start off 188 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,240 with one. And it's probably the biggest 189 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,520 running company in the industry right now. 190 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,600 And that's over in your backyard, that's Nike. 191 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,240 So what would you say is the best and the worst thing that 192 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Nike is doing or trends that you see right now? 193 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,320 Yeah, I think the best thing, and they've been known for this 194 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,360 for a while, is their racing shoes are second to none, right? 195 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Like the Alphafly Vapourfly Vapour wasn't my favorite, but I 196 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,040 will say that my wife has a pair from Andrew and she's loving 197 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,680 them. And you know, they, they're 198 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,480 spikes, they're racing shoes. Like they continue to be topped 199 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,520 here. They don't update things very, 200 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,920 very often, but they don't always have to just because, 201 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,680 yeah, they, they have the performance behind a lot of 202 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:56,800 stuff. And there's a reason why a lot 203 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,040 of people run in their stuff over a variety of distances. 204 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,240 I, I'm getting a little bit more excited with where their 205 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,360 trainers are going. But I think one of the, the 206 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,160 negatives is that their trainers often lag quite a bit behind 207 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,520 where the, the performance level of their racing shoes. 208 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,360 And that's been consistent since I was working in running stores. 209 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,440 So like the Pegasus, for example, is, it's a, it's an OK 210 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,400 shoe. It's, I think a lot of people 211 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,480 once they, as a beginner, that might be a decent option, but as 212 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,760 they progress, it's pretty boring. 213 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,280 And I mean like Pegasus of Olds actually used to be pretty 214 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,960 exciting, exciting and pretty solid shoes. 215 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,320 Recently, I just feel like they haven't kept up very well. 216 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,920 Durability has not been very good for me. 217 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,480 The fits kind of awkward, the awkward transition. 218 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Pegasus premium was I feel like more of a fasten shoe and it 219 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,320 just didn't it wasn't executed well. 220 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,640 Vomero is a different story, where I think the Vomero line 221 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,840 has stayed pretty consistent, like a solid she. 222 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,400 Like if you're going to get a Nike trainer, get a Vomero. 223 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,520 They've been good for a decent for a long time. 224 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,080 Not the sexiest, but definitely decent for a long time. 225 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,880 The Vimero Plus is probably one of my favorite Nike Nike 226 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,080 trainers and I don't know how long. 227 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,280 The structure is super boring and there's so much that could 228 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,920 be done with that shoe. Maybe I'm really biased and I 229 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,960 would love to actually know that the structure plus and premium 230 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,240 may exist. I have no idea. 231 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,680 But the I we have not tried the Vimero premium yet And what's 232 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,240 hopefully it does a better job than I think the Pegasus 233 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,520 premium. But it's their their daily 234 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,360 trainers really lag behind where they're racing shoes too. 235 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,600 And I'd love to see them like bring that proof. 236 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Those performance should be the training shoes up to that level. 237 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,880 They are. There's some hints that things 238 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,840 are getting better. I think there's just some more 239 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,320 work that has to be done. And maybe that's just me. 240 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,320 David, what do you think? Yeah, no, I think that's great. 241 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,080 It's funny because I'm actually going to be on the the flip side 242 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,280 of it. And for me, I think the best 243 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,840 thing that's happening at Nike right now is that Nike trainers 244 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,680 are back. People are talking about them 245 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,400 again. You know, like you said, in the 246 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,600 past, people didn't really care about the Nike trainers. 247 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,240 And it's like, I feel like the Pegasus had kind of a heyday, 248 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,880 like where people were using it for workouts, training, long 249 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,920 runs, even racing sometimes, like for marathons and whatnot. 250 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,760 And then they kind of just got flat, you know? 251 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,880 And they just weren't doing a whole lot. 252 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,240 I can't really tell you what happened between peg 32 and 41, 253 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,280 you know, Like it kind of just became meh. 254 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,480 But looking beyond the Pegasus lineup, you know, like they've 255 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,600 now expanded and like you said, you brought up the Vomero plus. 256 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,000 I've got it right here. Like it's a solid shoe and it's 257 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,120 a fun one. And I think it's one of those 258 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,760 shoes that you can easily put in a conversation as one of the 259 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,080 better trainers of the year. And I I mean, people like the 260 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,560 vomero as well. And from what I've heard, people 261 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,760 don't seem to dislike the structure from what I've seen, 262 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,560 you know, but I don't know, I feel like people are starting to 263 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:06,560 talk about Nike trainers again. And I don't know, I guess I'll 264 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,640 get into my worst thing, which is kind of a funny Segway 265 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,440 because it was also resembling of the trainer line. 266 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,240 And that is going to be this 3 tier system that they're doing 267 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,320 where it's like, I don't know if that necessarily has to be 268 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,520 there, right? Like you have a vomero vomero 269 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,880 plus vomero premium, a PEG, a peg plus a peg premium, a 270 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,440 structure, a structure plus a structure premium, and then you 271 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,360 also got to zoom fly. You also got like, I don't know, 272 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,760 like you've got multiple trainers that things that are 273 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,440 out there and I don't know if every shoe needs to have that 274 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,600 much of A tier system. I think I understand the two 275 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,840 tier a little bit more where it's like this is kind of the 276 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,480 base model. This one is kind of the more 277 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,480 premium option, whether it's lighter, faster or it's more 278 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,960 plush and absorbs a little bit more shock. 279 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,440 The third one feels a little silly where it's like we're 280 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,800 going to toss an Airpod in the middle of it and call it a 281 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,480 premium. And that might not be true 282 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,040 because I have had different experiences, let's say in the 283 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,760 Peg Premium versus the Peg. I didn't get to run in the Peg 284 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,200 Plus, but I can almost guarantee you that the Peg Plus and the 285 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,240 Peg Premium are going to feel very different from each other. 286 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,840 But it just, it feels like it's getting a little out of hand. 287 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,080 I think like just a little bit more direction on that, because 288 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,120 from a consumer standpoint, you're like, OK, well, which one 289 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,840 am I going to buy? You know, it's like, what do I 290 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,240 buy the premium? Because that's supposed to be 291 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,320 the best one of the three based on naming, you know, like that 292 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,640 is the nice one, quote UN quote. So I feel like I'm getting lost 293 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,120 a little bit on the lineup. With that said, though, the best 294 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,280 thing that's going on over there, people are talking about 295 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,960 them, right? Like the trainers are coming out 296 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,240 like people, they're not negative reviews, They're not 297 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,320 people being like, oh, these are boring. 298 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,720 It's this, it's that it's like, no, they're solid shoes that are 299 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,240 coming out and I think they're getting their name back in it 300 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,160 for daily trainers. But yeah, you had your hand out. 301 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,920 What's that I? I'm going to say I you are 302 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,520 right. I think there is there the the 303 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,080 line diversification is getting a little bit crazy. 304 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:05,160 I can I can still see some like I would say the Nike Zoom is it 305 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Zoom Fly? Zoom Play 6. 306 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,520 Yeah, so the Nike Zoom Play 6 is kind of like the Pegasus. 307 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,720 It's like your it's your entry level like OK, this, you know, 308 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,360 you're just getting into this. This is a more not a simple 309 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,840 shoe, but like kind of more straightforward. 310 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,040 And then you have your premium, which in the racing line would 311 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,480 be the out fly, right? Then you have your kind of more 312 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,640 lighter version, which is going to be the Vapor Fly. 313 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,680 And then you have the Streak Fly too, which is also really solid 314 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,600 and kind of in a unique space as 1/4 level down. 315 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,040 But I kind of see where they're going, where they have like, 316 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,040 hey, if you're just getting into running like you should, you 317 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,880 should really try the entry level stuff just to like 318 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,000 experience this. And some would like even more 319 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,640 experienced runners are going to like them as well. 320 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,880 But then if you want something a little bit lighter, a little 321 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,720 more sexier, although the Pegasus plus needs some work 322 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,520 because those of us who ran on the Pegasus, am I calling it 323 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,960 that right? Pegasus plus or what was the old 324 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,280 why am I putting the old version? 325 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,160 I. Think you're thinking of. 326 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,080 How am I forgetting this? Like is it peg turbo? 327 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,520 The peg Turbo, how could I forget this? 328 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,000 I just had a conversation with the patient with this. 329 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Yeah, yeah. The the peg turbo line, it's 330 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,200 just, it's the plus is not quite where it needs to be. 331 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,640 Like give us some more bouncy zoom X. 332 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,600 It's not the same, but like, I kind of get it. 333 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,320 We're like, OK, you like the Pegasus or you like the Vimaro, 334 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,200 but you want something a little lighter, a little bouncier. 335 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,680 That makes sense, right? Or you just want this if you're 336 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,040 into that crazy Max stack height, you can go up to the 337 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,840 premium if that's something you're interested in. 338 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,360 I'd be really curious see how these are selling. 339 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,040 I may be am holding on to this with the great hope that Nike's 340 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,240 going to be one of the few companies that actually drop 341 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,440 some interesting stability shoes because usually there's not most 342 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,840 companies don't have that many. And so did they have a structure 343 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,640 which it could be better, but then have a structure plus to me 344 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,880 is like, oh, I'm really excited if they don't screw this up. 345 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,360 But then the other end having a Max like stability shoe, I'm 346 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,160 really curious to see what that looks like. 347 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,800 It might be redundant to be honest. 348 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,320 A lot of Max shoes, not all of them, tend to inherently be 349 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,200 stable just because you got to have large side, because you've 350 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,599 got to have a wide platform. But that's not always the case. 351 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,480 So maybe I'm biased. I see them trying to organize 352 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,119 this, but I think the challenge is then there becomes so many 353 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,240 options that people may get lost. 354 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,400 But hey, I'm not a marketer, I'm designing these things. 355 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,599 But what do you think? Does that make sense or am I 356 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,880 just trying to justify the the stability line? 357 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,880 That makes a lot of sense. And I, I think for me, the three 358 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,800 tier system makes a lot of sense when you say in the vapor fly 359 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,400 terms, where the flagship is in the middle, you want lighter and 360 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,880 faster, you go down a step, you want more premium, you go up a 361 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,840 step. But I think where I get a little 362 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,080 bit lost is where the flagship is the bottom tier and then you 363 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,920 go up two tiers. You know, I'd almost like to see 364 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,520 where like the base is like let's say some kind of a wind 365 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,600 flow or peg equivalent, like kind of the budget. 366 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Just this is your neutral trainer. 367 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,920 It's a step down from the baseline and then the baseline 368 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,320 can be, let's say the peg plus or turbo, whatever. 369 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,640 And then you have your premium, you know what I mean? 370 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,160 Like I, I feel like it should be a noticeable step up or down 371 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,160 depending on which model you're on and different experiences 372 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,760 that reflect that. And I, I, I get where they're 373 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,400 going with it. I'm not an entire, but I'm being 374 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,960 picky. I feel like Nike is doing a lot 375 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,720 of things. Well, with that said, I, I don't 376 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 really love the classification system, but it could work. 377 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,680 It it could work. So I'm glad that you brought up 378 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,080 the vapor fly there because most people would just think, oh, 379 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,560 racing vapor fly and it's like, well, there's the streak fly and 380 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,400 there's the alpha fly, right? Like and they have very 381 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,840 different experiences. And technically the Zoom Fly 6 382 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,480 is part of that conversation as it meant like as a racer 383 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,880 trainer. So like, and a lot of people 384 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,960 have actually done quite well using that shoe as a marathon 385 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,200 race. And I think that's a lot where a 386 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,840 lot of people should be. But you know, that's different 387 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,320 conversation. Yeah. 388 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,080 All right. We'll go on to the next. 389 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,480 Who's next? Next one's going to be another 390 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,560 American company. We're going to be talking about 391 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,880 Brooks. Got it. 392 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,280 Also not that far from you. Not that far. 393 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,320 And I'm just staying in the Pacific Northwest. 394 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,440 We got a lot that. Was not by design and a lot. 395 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,920 Of people in the Pacific Northwest, actually, I can just 396 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,160 got to give a shout out to a couple people who actually live 397 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,440 in the Lake Oswego area who work at Brooks and commute all the 398 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,560 way up to Seattle several days. We can come back down. 399 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,480 So shout out to Brian and many others who I know do this and 400 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,240 that's that's that's crazy. That's a long drive, but good 401 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,240 for you and Brooks must be a great place to work if you 402 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,640 really do that. But do you want me to start? 403 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,880 Yeah, yeah, go for it all. Right, So here's what I like 404 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,040 about I'm going to give a couple things that I like about Brooks. 405 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,440 I like that they do typically pay attention to bio mechanics. 406 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,280 And maybe I'm biased because I I know some of their bio mechanics 407 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,960 people and I give Evan and Jen a really hard time all the time, 408 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,720 but I like that they're thinking with that in mind. 409 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,240 I also like that on some level for a lot of recreational 410 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,600 runners, these act these are actually really solid shoes. 411 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,480 They are not the sexiest. They are trying, right Tina, 412 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,080 Tina's trying and others are trying to get some like newer 413 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,080 foams and kind of more aggressive geometries in there. 414 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,800 And I'm seeing it. So I do appreciate that and I do 415 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,480 appreciate that things are evolving. 416 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,480 We are starting to actually see some real heel bevels finally. 417 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,360 We're not. It's not at like even the 418 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,160 adrenaline now has a better heel bevel is a better transition, 419 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,440 which is awesome. And they're, they're really 420 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,840 trying with some things and trying to the, the look is 421 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,000 looking better, but biomechanically things are 422 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,160 starting to get more appropriate. 423 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:26,000 My only challenge for them is the exact opposite of Nike is 424 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,880 just the racing line just is not there. 425 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,480 And I can somewhat understand that because a lot of the the 426 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,120 people that buy the Brooks consumer isn't often they're 427 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,040 like, I'm going to get a super shoe kind of thing. 428 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,880 I would though of of all people though, I think what I'm most 429 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,880 disappointed in is the Hyperion Elite Five. 430 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Yeah, it's light, it's using a peebo foam, but I would say this 431 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,760 is one of the most unstable racing shoes I maybe have ever 432 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,240 tried. And I think that's really 433 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,480 disappointing from Brooks. I'm still running it and I'm 434 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,240 still trying to get miles on it. The uppers are OK, but like this 435 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,840 midfoot does not work. And I was really hoping for 436 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,440 something stable that integrated some of the Hyperion older 437 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,080 Hyperion elites just with the Super foam. 438 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,200 I didn't try the four PB, so I have no idea, but I just feel 439 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,680 like geometry wise what they're doing racing wise, there's still 440 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,400 a lot of work to be done. So it's like the exact opposite 441 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,520 of Nike. But there's also some issues 442 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,400 where even some of the trainers like the Brooks, the Glister and 443 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,160 Max awesome shoe, right? But and that's been my bias, but 444 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,400 a lot of the other trainers are a little boring, right? 445 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,120 And so that that's fine for the right person, but I think, you 446 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,760 know, even the adrenaline is kind of falling behind a little 447 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,680 bit in terms of that performance category, but it's not meant for 448 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:38,960 that. So I understand where Brooks is 449 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,560 going is their traditional consumer isn't going to be 450 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,480 looking for the fastest ride, which I understand they're going 451 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,160 that way. I just want them to do a little 452 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,120 bit more with some of their midsole foams and stop trying to 453 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,920 oversell like some of the what's it called the DNA loft and stuff 454 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,520 like that where it just like, even though some variations that 455 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,960 do really well other times, like man, this is just a boring shoe, 456 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,200 but that can be great for other people. 457 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,280 So trainers consistent great. Their bio mechanics are getting 458 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,120 better. I'm I'm learning from them. 459 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,800 It's really awesome to see that some of the faster stuff in the 460 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:15,600 performance just needs some serious work and I don't know 461 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,280 why they're doing the midfoot cutouts. 462 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,760 And I think for a company that does stability usually pretty 463 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,640 well, that's that might need some work and maybe it's in the 464 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,120 works. But yeah, performance needs some 465 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,240 work. Yeah, I'd have to say that I'm 466 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,520 pretty similar on this conversation. 467 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,520 I've got a couple of just notes jotted down here on my side, and 468 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,000 I feel like they've done a good job of staying true to their 469 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,440 mainline trainers. I feel like the ghost has 470 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,240 continued to do well, the glycerin has continued to do 471 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,880 well. The adrenaline, the glycerin GTS 472 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,200 isn't too bad. What's that? 473 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,160 What you holding up? I thought that's a ghost. 474 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,360 Right, Yeah, I actually have to eat my words a little bit 475 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:55,640 because the new Ghost is pretty aggressive. 476 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,480 Like I've done workouts in this shoe. 477 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,200 It the heel counters a little aggressive for my sensitive heel 478 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,600 and the volumes a little. But like this turned into like a 479 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,120 performance trainer for me. So I I guess I have to kind of 480 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,040 eat my words and go. I know it's coming. 481 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,200 It's also pretty stable. Like I perform this like, yeah, 482 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,280 I prefer this like over the adrenaline, but like it's 483 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,760 snappy. It's got some like 484 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,240 aggressiveness to it. So I will say that I know, I 485 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,120 hope it's coming. I know I see it. 486 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,240 It just needs to happen. But sorry not to interrupt you. 487 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,680 No, no, you're good. I think that's solid. 488 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,800 I mean like their main line of trainers I think are all good 489 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,120 and they've gotten better, right? 490 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,680 Like I think they're a lot less quote UN quote boring than they 491 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800 used to be. You know, I think the shoes have 492 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,560 some life, but they still hold that traditional DNA and I we're 493 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,800 seeing it, you know, I think with the ghost and the glycerin 494 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,480 especially, like just new shoes, even though they're similar, 495 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,200 like they still feel like ghosts and glycerins but levelled up. 496 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,240 So I think it's good. I think the updates are solid. 497 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,680 Where I feel like they're a little bit lost is that 498 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,880 performance line. I do feel like 1 shoe that I was 499 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,600 really excited for, and I mean really excited for it. 500 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,440 And it just was heartbreaking. Actually, there was two of them. 501 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,720 I only have one of them next to me now that I think about it. 502 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,760 One was the Hyperion lineup. That was actually not where I 503 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,200 was going with this though, but I love Hyperion 2, Hyperion 2, 504 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 GTS, Hyperion 3. It just kind of gained a little 505 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,000 bit more foam and it just like it felt like it went closer to 506 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,160 being a daily trainer without being as fast and not being as 507 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,600 smooth as other daily trainers. And then it kind of just got 508 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,520 lost in my rotation where I just didn't really find myself 509 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,040 wanting to grab it, you know, which was heartbreaking for me 510 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,000 because I love the Hyperion 2 and GTS 2. 511 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,320 GTS like to RIP it on the track and go for runs. 512 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,520 Like it was that lightweight, snappy shoe. 513 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,880 The other one too, I actually did like the Hyperion Max 2 514 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,760 quite a bit. I felt like it was a stable, 515 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240 neutral ride. It was a really rockered ride, 516 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,840 but it was it was responsive. It was light, like it did a 517 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,160 little bit of everything well without being a master at 518 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,560 anything. And that was kind of what I 519 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520 wanted out of like a long run shoe, right? 520 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,880 And then they came out the Hyperion Max 3. 521 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,480 And this was one of the ones where I just like, I really 522 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,400 struggled with this shoe and I can see the vision where the DNA 523 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080 gold, like the foam is lively. The shoe is more quote UN quote 524 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,800 fun, but I cannot run in this thing for that long. 525 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,760 Like I just feel like the upper is really stretchy. 526 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,800 I like, I do not do well with the medial and lateral stability 527 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,720 on this shoe, especially on cambered roads. 528 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,120 And like I wanted to love it. I was trying to give it every 529 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,040 chance I could, and I was like, no, like, my ankles hurt after 530 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,880 running in this shoe. And you probably compress the 531 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,800 crap out of that posterior lateral heel, and it feels 532 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,080 really stable for you. Yeah, I did. 533 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,320 But it it that did I will give them that that that shoe, it 534 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520 would wear me out. I was a great long run shoe, but 535 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,360 man, I was a little messed up after some of the long runs. 536 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,600 But that post a lot of bevel that was like, see Brooks, I 537 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,640 know you can do this. I I can despite what just 538 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,000 happened with the Hyperion elite 5. 539 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,680 Like I know you have the capacity, but can I rant for a 540 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,280 second? Yeah, OK, Brooks, how can you 541 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,640 discontinue the Hyperion GTS series and then make your racing 542 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,720 shoe like the most unstable one out there? 543 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:14,200 Like come on, like the people want a Hyperion GTS three you 544 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600 got you finally got rid of it like the the launch. 545 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:22,600 GTS Bubble Hyperion, GTS Elite or Pro, Toss a play, make a 546 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,360 performance, give you this super stability shoe that you've been 547 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,360 asked. Like yeah, on one pack. 548 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:34,600 Hyperion Hyperion Elite GTS. Please do it be the ones that 549 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,800 finally put out a stability super shoe, even if it's a joke. 550 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,520 Even it's like we made ten of these we just made one right, 551 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,480 just like we custom made this and not in Matt's size just to 552 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,640 give him a heart attack, but like just to know that it was 553 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,320 made just tell me like send me a photo of this. 554 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,600 I won't share it, but just even pretend like make it up. 555 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Just it. It would be amazing. 556 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,160 Just send us some concept art. Yeah, just send me a concept art 557 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,720 so I can cry. But know that you've thought 558 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,240 about it, please. All right, let's. 559 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,400 All right, we'll move to the next one. 560 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Next one is one of the now they've been around for a while 561 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,680 now, but they were one of the fastest growing companies in the 562 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,880 industry. This is going to be Hoka Best 563 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,360 and worst things going on at HOKA. 564 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,080 All right, so I have to give them credit as being Ogs in kind 565 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,080 of the taller Max shoe game. They definitely know how to 566 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,400 market really well and a lot of people say Hoka is the Kleenex 567 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,400 of maximal running brands, right? 568 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,840 Like they do their stuff well on my I I like where they're going 569 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,120 with their racing lineup. They are definitely getting 570 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,320 aggressive and they're holding on really well. 571 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,280 I did not necessarily like this yellow X1 version 2. 572 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,480 I know a lot of people that have the rocket X3 is still stable 573 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,840 neutral and man that's a aggressive fast shoe. 574 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,000 I ran a pretty fast roller 5K in that shoe on a hilly course, so 575 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,680 I got to appreciate that quite a bit and their track spikes are 576 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,240 looking awesome. Like I've been buggy Nathan 577 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,080 going Nathan. I don't know if Achilles can 578 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,160 hear the handle this Val, but I'm really curious in some of 579 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520 the cielo LD spikes and it looks like that they actually might 580 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,920 have some like media support in them. 581 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,040 So racing line UPS doing really, really well. 582 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,480 Some of the challenges is I feel like geometry and durability 583 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,600 wise, a lot of their trainers are not doing well. 584 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Like for me, again, I scuff shoes, shoes really hard Clifton 585 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,760 a lot of other ones, the Iraqi, the geometries just are not 586 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,160 working for me very well. The where they're placing their 587 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880 bubbles, like if you're going to have this, it should be either 588 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,880 centered or should be a little bit lateral. 589 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,600 If you put a medial bevel on a really tall shoe, that just 590 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760 creates like a lot of lateral flare and it's going to jam you 591 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200 inwards. And these are supposed to be 592 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,760 some of the more inherently stable neutral rides. 593 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,600 But a lot of times I have felt that with a lot of recent Hocus 594 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,920 just because of how some of their geometry is setting up. 595 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,400 And then durability, like, yeah, they're keeping them light. 596 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,200 The outsole durability is usually not that good. 597 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,920 And a lot of times, unless they're putting a little bit of 598 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,920 the Peeba foams in there, the their Eva films compress so 599 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,680 quick that it's just like, we're very lucky to get these shoes 600 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,800 for free. But if I was paying for these, I 601 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840 would be really disappointed. And I've heard a lot of people 602 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,440 complain going I can't, I have to break up with Hoka because I 603 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880 just can't afford to replace the shoes that often. 604 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,560 That's kind of disappointing for a company that has typically so 605 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,320 much stack height underneath. But I do like that again, they 606 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,680 still, they're they're racing line now you're pushing the the 607 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,560 the envelope on the stuff. It's great. 608 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,440 It's really excited to see that getting pushed. 609 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,680 I love a lot of their shoes, not all of them in the training line 610 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,920 tend to be a little bit more inherently stable neutral, which 611 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,560 is great, but just geometry and durability I think needs some 612 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,920 work. That it when you have a shoe 613 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,880 this tall, the bevels got to be in the right place. 614 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,640 If not, it just makes for clunky heels and Clifton Bondi Sky 615 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440 Flow. A lot of these shoes, that heel 616 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,680 has just not been good for me. So yeah, also another like 617 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680 partially local to both of us is there's, they have their 618 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,840 situation in Santa Barbara and also in downtown Portland too, 619 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:14,120 so. Yeah, I think for me, best thing 620 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,560 going on there. I think they're having a lot of 621 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,560 fun just with their innovation and materials. 622 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,200 I think they are coming out with some fun shoes, whether it be in 623 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,520 the Mock X lineup or in the racing categories with the CLO 624 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,360 X12, Point O and the Rocket X3, Rocket X Trail like you had 625 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400 brought up earlier. Like I think like there's a lot 626 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,360 of good things going on there and I think they're not afraid 627 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,280 to take some chances and kind of see how it goes. 628 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,720 So I think there's a lot of fun going on there. 629 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,160 And I think it's funny because I kind of go back to the trainers. 630 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,320 I think I was kind of hoping we'd have different thoughts on 631 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,520 these things, but I feel like we're kind of similar. 632 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,320 I feel like in the worst thing, which is also their best thing, 633 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,120 oddly enough to from a general market standpoint. 634 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,920 And I look at mainly the Clifton and the Bondi and I feel like 635 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,000 from a product standpoint, they're starting to just kind of 636 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720 get left behind a little bit. Like you were saying, the Eva 637 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,000 phones are like, not that the Eva is bad, but it's just like 638 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,880 the blend that they use. It breaks down pretty quick. 639 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,280 It's like it's kind of the same shoe it was for, you know, 640 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,600 several years ago. And at the same price point, A 641 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,600 lot of these companies have high stack rocker shoes that perform 642 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,480 the same, if not better than those shoes. 643 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,600 And I think it was nice that they put a super critical Eva in 644 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960 the Bondi this year. I felt like that was a 645 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,360 noticeable upgrade. With that said, it still didn't 646 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,440 feel quite up to snuff as some of the other high stack rocker 647 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760 trainers out there at the same price point. 648 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,680 And so I feel like even though those shoes sell incredibly 649 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,320 well, you know, I feel like they're starting to feel like 650 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,960 they're not shoes I'm looking at in that category, which is a 651 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,840 shame because that was kind of what I knew the company for to 652 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,480 begin with, right? Like that's kind of how they 653 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,480 made their name. So I, I don't know, maybe show a 654 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520 little bit more love to the Clifton and the Bondi and make 655 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,440 it a little bit more fun or make it a little bit more durable. 656 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,640 Like give the people a reason to be like, Oh no, like I'm staying 657 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,880 with this line and I'm not going to go to like, let's say a 658 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Nimbus or. AI was literally just thinking 659 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,840 the Nimbus and going yeah, like enough companies I think have 660 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,080 caught up in the maximal game, but there's companies like 661 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,960 again, the there's companies doing plenty of stuff that's 662 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,240 taller than Hoka, even though Hoka is still known as the 663 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,040 marshmallow cushion brand. In actuality, that's not 664 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,880 necessarily the case. I mean, like, thank goodness 665 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,160 they have the Skyward X because if not, everybody else would be 666 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360 towering over them. So yeah, I think it's time. 667 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,200 It's it's like you said, I think it's just refocusing on some of 668 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,600 the classics too, and giving them some love and not letting 669 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,160 them fall behind. But you have to also be really 670 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,320 careful. Is that because there are people 671 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440 that have been wearing those for so long, you make a drastic 672 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,160 change that can really throw people off Like the let's see if 673 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640 I can pronounce this correctly for the first time ever. 674 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,760 The Kiano. Nope, Nope. 675 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,280 Kiano. It was better than Kiano, which 676 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,680 I redid. So Kiano yeah that are Kai it's 677 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,320 Kai can do this. The new Kyano is like I it's my 678 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,320 shoe of the year. I I set on this version 32 is 679 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,960 awesome. I have 200 miles on it. 680 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,640 I am looking to I buy a new. Pair Shoe of the Year. 681 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,480 Yeah, it's it, but I because of the changes, I can really see 682 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,800 how if people that have worn the the Kyano for years, it's a 683 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,240 different shoe. It's still there in spirit, but 684 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,320 it's, it's different with the lower drop. 685 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,400 The, the geometry, like a lot of stuff has changed, but I think 686 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,120 it's better. But not everybody's going to 687 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,760 agree with me because I don't have the same feet as everybody 688 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,920 else. So, you know, with these long 689 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,120 standing lines, it's I, it's a hard battle between do we 690 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,640 radically progress forwards or do we give the people would 691 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,160 want? Because a lot of the people and 692 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,080 we both know this and I, I, I think some of our listeners may 693 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,200 know this, but we talk about running stuff. 694 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,480 But honestly, most footwear companies like don't make their 695 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,080 profit from runners. They sell most of their running 696 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,240 shoes to people who are walking and standing. 697 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,920 That's why super shoes are such a anomaly. 698 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,480 Right now is like, for the first time ever, racing shoes actually 699 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840 have a decent budget because people actually buy them in good 700 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,040 numbers. Nobody used to buy racing flats. 701 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,080 Like companies used to lose money on racing flats. 702 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,679 The only like people that bought them were like you and I, who 703 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,040 were like doing faster racing stuff that didn't even last that 704 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,320 long. But it's like a tiny proportion 705 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600 compared to now. But yeah, there's some 706 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,600 understanding behind it. I would, yeah, I agree with you. 707 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,520 I just want to see those kind of brought a little more forward 708 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,040 rather than hopefully not getting left behind. 709 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,239 Yeah. And I think it was really 710 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,440 convenient that you brought up the Keanu because my next 711 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,880 company here, oh sweet 4th company on our list is going to 712 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,199 be ASICS. So yeah, what do you got? 713 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:45,199 What do you got for ASICS? Man, I was really thinking about 714 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,679 this all day. I think ASICS let's just make 715 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,560 sure we start pronouncing things correctly. 716 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,880 I. I asked them if it's a 717 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,840 dialecting where you are. Don't tell me that. 718 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,440 Depending on where you are in the world, people say different 719 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,120 things we can say. So it's acceptable. 720 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,120 So is it acceptable for people to say Keanu based on dialectual 721 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,840 differences or I have? To say not on that one, No. 722 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,560 Nope. Kayano. 723 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,480 Kayano Standard. Kayano kayak, you could say. 724 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,120 Kayano or you could say ASICS Kayano, but that's. 725 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440 Terrible. Depending on where you are, 726 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,880 yeah, it could be slightly different. 727 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,320 Yeah, I think for the most part ASICS is killing it. 728 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040 I think they have moved really far forward. 729 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,920 They're one of those brands that just people are really 730 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,400 interested in. They kind, I don't know, has 731 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,640 been awesome that they finally took some chances with that. 732 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,680 The Nimbus is really good. I think the Cumulus has made 733 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,480 some changes. Not quite where I think it could 734 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,320 be, but it is definitely move forwards. 735 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,240 Their racing line is second tonight. 736 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,240 Hey, we never got to have a pair of the Metaspeed Ray, by the 737 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:46,440 way, you tried one in Japan and they like forgot about us. 738 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680 So like we're the only ones that don't have a full review out 739 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,080 there. But I'm I'm complaining about 740 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,280 that. I think it's kind of similar to 741 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,600 Brooks from like I know they do the brown mechanics research and 742 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,560 I love that things are getting integrated. 743 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,600 Am I pissed off that the ACT 2014 took a step backwards and 744 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,880 the thing I talked about like a heel bubble like went downwards 745 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,960 and the upper kind of stinks. But you know, that's a one off. 746 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,920 I think for the most part they are doing extremely, extremely, 747 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,480 extremely well moving forwards. I'm trying to think of a 748 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:23,800 negative just because I love the Kyano so much. 749 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:30,560 I think my only my only thing that might be getting 750 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,680 troublesome is they have it's kind of like Nike. 751 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,440 They have so many shoes now. I think the Super blast too made 752 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440 sense, kind of like it was an evolution. 753 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080 It wasn't where we I would hope it to be like it felt like it 754 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,960 took a step backwards. And I feel like the Blast series 755 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,840 is getting a little bit crazy. We're like the Sonic Blast 756 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,800 really. I get why, but it didn't really 757 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,120 take off. The mega blast is basically what 758 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,320 the Super blast 2 should have been, but it just needs a better 759 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,160 upper and it the line is starting to get bigger, bigger, 760 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,240 bigger, bigger, bigger. And I don't know initially know 761 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,920 if that's a a good thing. Like it's kind of the same thing 762 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,960 with the racing line. Like beforehand I kind of got 763 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,640 the like, OK, there's like two different variations for like if 764 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640 people how people pick speed up. That kind of makes sense. 765 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,200 But like the meta speed ray is now kind of in its own thing. 766 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,400 The magic speed is getting left, although I've seen what the I 767 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,120 think magic speed 5 actually looks pretty awesome and I hope 768 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,920 that come to market. But there may be too many things 769 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,880 coming out and like it's either like master of one or master of 770 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,720 none. So it's like I think a little 771 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,160 bit it might be getting a little bit too spread thinly. 772 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,560 And I don't want to see what happened to their to the rest of 773 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,840 the line that happened to, in my opinion, to the G 2014 and the 774 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,720 Sonic blast where it's kind of like that. 775 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,800 Like that really wasn't where they should be. 776 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,320 Like that wasn't a move forwards. 777 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,560 You know, you've got some great shoes. 778 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Just keep that momentum and don't start faltering and take a 779 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,040 step backward because for a long time ASICS was boring, had poor 780 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,920 rear foot geometries, they didn't do that and they were not 781 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,560 sexy or exciting and they've taken some big leaps. 782 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,320 So I'd say keep the mentum, but also really focus on what you're 783 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,880 doing well and try to maintain that. 784 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,240 So there is some geometry bundle bumbles happening here and 785 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,400 things getting like there's I think too many options and think 786 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,120 they're getting a little bit too spread thinly. 787 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,000 So I think that's my negative, although I think for the most 788 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,120 part a lot of their footwear is doing quite well to be honest. 789 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,240 Yeah, I think we just continue to agree with each other. 790 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:29,880 This is very boring. Yeah, I feel like from a 791 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,040 material standpoint, they're booming right now. 792 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,800 Like they came out with Flight Foam Leap, they came out with 793 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,360 Flight Foam Turbo Squared and like they're playing around with 794 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,600 materials or getting these different things out there and 795 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,800 people are really excited about it, right? 796 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,680 I mean, even just from like being entirely objective about 797 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,680 this, like when we publish our own content, not that we ride 798 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,320 everything on numbers, but when you look at numbers, those shoes 799 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,240 along those line UPS do pretty darn well when it comes to 800 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,040 whether it's clicks or videos, whatever. 801 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,520 Like people are excited about these shoes and, and I think it 802 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,360 is for good reason. I think they are coming out with 803 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,040 a lot of good stuff and they're playing around with materials. 804 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,920 And again, kind of like what I said with the Coca in their 805 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,720 performance division or now, they're not really afraid to 806 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,360 take some chances here. And I think it's really showing. 807 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,800 I think they're doing a really good job on that category. 808 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,960 But I also agree with you that I think the worst thing is this 809 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960 line is just getting more and more muddy. 810 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,920 And I actually grabbed a super Blast and a Mega Blast before 811 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,440 coming on to show that where it's like, if you just like 812 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,160 showed me this as a normal consumer, I'd be like, OK, like 813 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,920 what's the difference? You know, And then like you 814 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960 think about it's like, well, this one has flight foam turbo 815 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,160 plus, and this one is flight foam turbo squared. 816 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,120 OK, look at it from the top. I'm looking at it like the 817 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,080 geometry is so similar. You know, it's like really the 818 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,120 big difference is the material. But at the same time, I do feel 819 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,480 like the ride is it's close enough where I agree with you. 820 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,120 I feel like Mega Blast could have been Super Blast three. 821 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,520 It is less stable than the Super Blast two. 822 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,600 I would not say that it is unstable. 823 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,680 It's just neutral, right? But the Super Blast 2 was never 824 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,720 exactly marketed to be stable to begin with, right? 825 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,880 And I feel like unless they create a differentiation, we're 826 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,120 like this is the stability version and this is the neutral 827 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,280 version, then I might be a little bit more on board with 828 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:23,840 it. But. 829 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,400 I do feel like it's a little bit muddy when you see like, OK, we 830 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,640 have our Nova Blast, we have our Sonic Blast, we have our Mega 831 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,320 Blast, we have our Super Blast, we have our Magic Speed, We 832 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,280 have, you know, like there's a lot of these lightweight 833 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,280 trainers. We have our Jalnusa, right? 834 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,760 Like they just, they got a lot of shoes and it's there. 835 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,240 It's not that they're bad shoes, they're all really good shoes. 836 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,640 I think it's just finding a way to kind of line it up in a way 837 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,760 that makes sense to the consumers to just know what 838 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,720 they're buying and they're trying. 839 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,560 I could see them trying with some of the anime commercials 840 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,760 with the Running Warehouse thing. 841 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,680 And that was pretty cool. I got to give credit. 842 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,120 I was sick, I'm not gonna lie that that commercial was, I've 843 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,680 never like washed an ad and like washed it start to finish. 844 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,280 And I'm like, Dang, that was that was cool. 845 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,040 That was cool. That was I'm looking with that. 846 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,200 That was pretty cool, yeah. But I could see the gears are 847 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,320 turning. They're trying, but I feel like 848 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,680 it's a little muddy right now and I just would like to have it 849 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,680 be a little bit more like delineated. 850 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,640 And maybe that's just a personal thing because we get to try so 851 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,600 many shoes. I don't, I don't know, but but 852 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,440 they're all good shoes, but I just I feel like it's muddy 853 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,600 right now. That's the. 854 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,400 That's the word I would use They. 855 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,880 They still have some solid options. 856 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,800 I think the concern is that like we're starting to see, hey, 857 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,520 we're starting to get a little bit muddy here. 858 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,200 We hope you're not going down this direction. 859 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,760 Like I would say, focus on what you're doing well and make sure 860 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,000 you got good stuff that makes sense. 861 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,800 And if there's nothing wrong with innovating and trying 862 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,200 stuff, it's just that sometimes, and I say this is someone who 863 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040 does this often, having your foot in too many areas can be 864 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,880 like, it could just be overwhelming. 865 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,160 It's hard to manage stuff and they can you can kind of lose 866 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,640 the vision. So yeah, also can we try the 867 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,040 meta speed rate? Matt really wants the meta speed 868 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,040 right? It's really fun. 869 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,160 I mean I honestly would not mind a pair for myself. 870 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,960 I think for a 5K that shoe could really RIP. 871 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,440 Just give me give me something. That's so responsive, just. 872 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,720 Give me something that's going to fully evolve my post tip like 873 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,000 I accept it, just do it. Fly from Leap is so fun, like 874 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,240 just having a whole shoe. It's a full shoe of it. 875 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,480 It's. Kind of I just want to try it 876 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,840 because honestly, and I'm going to say, even though I I raced in 877 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,640 one of the rare races that I've done this year, I raced in the 878 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,960 meta speed Edge Tokyo and it was solid. 879 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520 It's for whatever it feels firmer to me because for what I 880 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,600 don't do very well with dual air soles, like I've been soles like 881 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,160 I found this for like I it feels weird to me to have two foams 882 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,640 that compress at different rates like that. 883 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,480 Just it feels odd. So I'm really, really, really 884 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,800 want to try what a full length meta speed leap feels like 885 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,200 because I don't feel like I'm getting the full understanding 886 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,040 of what that is because of the two different phones. 887 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,440 But that's that's a me thing. I'm just realizing that that's 888 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,320 and I've had this experience a couple times. 889 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,200 We were like, it's amazing. And I'm like, I don't feel that 890 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,280 it feels firm. And I think that's because I'm 891 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,480 stiffening up and then I'm not experiencing both things 892 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,320 together. So. 893 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,320 I could see that, yeah. All right. 894 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,000 We're going to move on from Japan to Europe. 895 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,480 Now we're going to go to Switzerland. 896 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,800 So the next company is on. Yeah, all. 897 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:30,680 Right, so on. I know you can do this, so I'm 898 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,040 going to start with the positives. 899 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,280 Some of the best uppers honestly, like upper fit is 900 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,400 usually phenomenal and I have yet to have that many 901 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,040 experiences where that's been proven wrong. 902 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,760 I think the cloud monster 2 is the only one of the upper that's 903 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,440 giving me a little trouble and once I fix that, it was mostly 904 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,560 fine. It's just the instep was too 905 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,680 long. But man, they they do uppers 906 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,600 super well, comfortable, great and a lot of these shoes I've 907 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,600 worn for all day stuff. Another exception would be the 908 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,440 what was the recent one that I that used have liked as you've 909 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,240 broken it and I hated. Oh, clouds are for Max. 910 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:06,400 Yeah, the clouds are for Max. Just that upward, the whole 911 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,760 shoe. I hate that. 912 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,880 Shit, it's not going to be like trainer of the year for me, but 913 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,840 I like it. Yeah. 914 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,080 I think it's a nice travel issue for me 'cause I like standing 915 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,800 and walking around in it so and it dresses up decently will so I 916 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,640 can run and walk and few exceptions. 917 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,360 Uppers are phenomenal. The other thing I will say is 918 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,800 that when the pods work, it's actually really good. 919 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,920 Like the on cloud Surfer. I believe this is 7 right? 920 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,560 8 Whatever version this is on Cloud Surfer 2. 921 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,880 It was 22. I mean, even though it's 922 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,960 previously they never used to do the iterations, right? 923 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,360 Clouds are for two. You're holding up clouds. 924 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,960 So the when the pods work, they are actually pretty solid, 925 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,920 right? And I've actually had this 926 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,800 experience the on Cloud Runner 2, whereas the pods kind of 927 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,320 broke in. It's a great kind of more 928 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,440 moderate stack height. There's a little softness to us 929 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,760 for the people that want a rolling firmer shoe, it's a 930 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520 little bit better for walking, but when they work, it's 931 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,760 awesome. The on cloud boom strike is nuts 932 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,280 like I love that shoe. It's it's insanely bouncy. 933 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,600 It's been great. Even though it's not the most 934 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,440 stable thing on the market, it did very, very well for me. 935 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,960 My biggest complaint though is the majority of their shoes feel 936 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,160 like rocks like they are this so firm under foot. 937 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,800 Like I, I wear the on Cloud Flyer all the time as a walking 938 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,680 shoe just because it because that firmness, it's stable. 939 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,400 But those π worn that for year and a half plus and like 940 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,040 probably have well over 150 walking miles on that shoe and 941 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,840 it's still as firm as a rock. So it's like trying to get those 942 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200 and we've talked about this, trying to make sure those pods 943 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,560 work. When they do, it's a home run. 944 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,440 The problem is they feel like not all, there's not a lot of 945 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,240 them that always do that. And so they're getting better. 946 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,800 It's better than it used to be where it's like cloud tech and 947 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,680 it just feel like rock tech. It's getting better for sure. 948 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,840 And the on call monster is a great example of a series that 949 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,000 knocks this absolutely out of the park in every single 950 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,800 iteration. Version one, version 2, I'm 951 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,120 excited to see what happens. Version 3. 952 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:10,040 Monster 1 was my shooter. Yeah, it's the Clyde. 953 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,080 Monster Diaper was a runner up, yeah. 954 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,600 I just want them to see more frequently having those pods 955 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,160 really work as the cushioning thing that they say. 956 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,840 But on the flip side of that is that as walking shoes, that 957 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,960 firmer rocker ride works really well. 958 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,920 And I'm not surprised that people buy them for walking in 959 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,840 comfort because they're great. So I can understand that. 960 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,560 Just I want the clouds to work more consistently mine. 961 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,080 'S a little bit different though. 962 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,520 I do agree with the uppers. I feel like the uppers are 963 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,920 great, but I think one of the best things that they're doing 964 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,320 right now is I think early on they were sold to this like 965 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,960 cloud tech pod design and each one was kind of a separate kind 966 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,040 of line of pod. And I feel like they're starting 967 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,960 to play around with geometries more now. 968 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,840 And Oh yeah. So they started moving to like, 969 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,720 let's say cloud tech phase where it's like a one piece thing. 970 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,600 It's not a separate like they're, they're starting to 971 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,880 move away from what they built on initially, while still not 972 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,160 going so far away from it that they're, you know, uprooting 973 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,600 everything. And so I think that's one of the 974 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,880 best things I could have done because I think now we're 975 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,280 starting to get experiences that feel just a little bit more 976 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,840 fluid and less fragmented. They're going to continue to 977 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,760 cook, they're going to continue to get better at this. 978 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,440 You know, I mean, they're still pretty early into this process. 979 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520 You know, like when we look at like, let's say cloud surfer was 980 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,320 the first one, right? And then they had the Cloud 981 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,320 Eclipse, and then now they have Cloud Surfer. 982 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,920 Oh my gosh. The Cloud Eclipse was was 983 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,280 actually pretty good as I got more miles on that shoe that 984 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,840 that, yeah. And maybe that's The thing is 985 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,040 they just need to break in. Yeah. 986 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,160 But they're they're getting it down, you know, and then the 987 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,880 racing models are also kind of breaking away from that as well. 988 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,400 So when we look at any of the cloud boom models. 989 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,080 So I think they're doing a good job of staying within their DNA 990 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,280 without but changing it up to make it more fluid experience. 991 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,720 So I think they're doing a good job there. 992 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,320 I think the worst thing they're doing, and it's kind of funny, 993 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,000 it's the same thing that I said about ASICS is I feel like 994 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,360 there's no delineation. If I'm like a consumer, I have 995 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,880 no idea. Like I only know what each shoe 996 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,920 is because we're seated them and we we research them and we look 997 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,240 into this stuff. And even then sometimes I'm 998 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,160 like, is that shoe that shoe? Which category is that shoe in? 999 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,560 OK, that falls here. You know, I feel like it's not 1000 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,360 that clear. So I it would challenge just 1001 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,280 companies in general, I think to just make it pretty clear what 1002 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,000 the consumer is buying, because what they see is this foam is 1003 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,960 10% more responsive. This is the most cushioning that 1004 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,120 we've ever had in whatever this is. 1005 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,680 They they get the buzzwords, they get the marketing, they get 1006 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,800 those things and then they just think like, oh, this is the best 1007 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,960 shoe in the market for every single shoe on the lineup, you 1008 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,720 know, And so it's like they don't really know exactly like 1009 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,400 what the differences even are. And like that can be 1010 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,880 overwhelming, of course, like there is a tipping point, you 1011 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,000 know, but I think just having a general category been like, this 1012 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,600 is our silo for this. This is our silo for that. 1013 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,960 This is. And I think they are trying that 1014 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,840 like the Cloud Surfer lineup. It's getting better. 1015 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320 Does make sense where you got your like on cloud Surfer next, 1016 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,960 which is your like your lightweight train to lighter 1017 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,280 version. You got the on cloud Surfer, 1018 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,160 which kind of the flagship. Then you got the the cloud 1019 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,120 Surfer Max, which is just but it's supposed to be that like 1020 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,880 more. It's supposed to be that more. 1021 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,520 I get where they're going. It would just getting nice. 1022 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,560 It's getting that makes sense. The on cloud boom, the cloud 1023 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,960 boom series, right. You got your on cloud boom zone, 1024 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,400 which I really want to try. I would love to try. 1025 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,000 That too Almost got up here on. EBay and it didn't work out like 1026 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,240 I've been. Looking at that shoe for like a 1027 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:38,360 year just. Like YouTube? 1028 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,160 It's on sale. On a chat, it's like it's a 1029 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,400 lightweight trainer. It's like everything I wanted, 1030 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,840 but I just. Yeah, it's a. 140 bucks now, by 1031 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,600 the way. So I'm like David and I might 1032 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200 pull the trigger and finally try it, even though every time I've 1033 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,200 like I always hear Nathan in my head when I'm like about ready 1034 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,320 to pull the trick on something like don't do it like does is it 1035 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,600 actually get that many views? Like come on, like is this 1036 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,960 really worth art? And so and Bach. 1037 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,400 But Nathan and Bach are both talking in my head going don't, 1038 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,840 Matt, don't. But just the practical side of 1039 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,440 it, like it's been out for a year. 1040 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,320 It hasn't done that well like review wise and but like the, 1041 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,040 the, the cloud boom makes sense, right? 1042 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,120 So the cloud boom zone is like they're they're racing 1043 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,480 lightweight trainer. You've got the on cloud boom 1044 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,760 echo, which kind of makes there's kind of more standard 1045 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,840 the on cloud boom strike, which supposed to be that more 1046 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,280 marathon long distance stuff that makes sense. 1047 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,560 And then they got the two different spikes, the middle and 1048 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,920 long distance spike, the cloud that things are starting to get 1049 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,240 there. And I say this bias, please 1050 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,000 bring the stability line along with on cloud runner, on cloud 1051 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,040 flyer. Like don't forget those. 1052 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,200 But yeah, just making sure that the line UPS are organized and 1053 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,360 make sense. And I think they have done a 1054 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,360 good job getting there. Just don't stop. 1055 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,480 Maybe I think that's a tough one because they've built their name 1056 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,360 on on cloud. You know, I feel like a lot of 1057 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,800 people consider the company name as on cloud and not on, you 1058 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,920 know, what do you have on your feet? 1059 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,040 Oh, I have on clouds. It's like, oh, well, like what 1060 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,200 model? Like, yeah, but yeah, it's a 1061 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,040 tricky one because on cloud is in the name of every single 1062 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,320 shoe, right? And so I think that also kind of 1063 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,480 makes it a little muddy versus like when you look at other 1064 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,920 companies, it's like Nike X Nike or ASICS this or whatever. 1065 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,400 So I don't know. But again, delineation, it's a 1066 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,520 little muddy. All right, we're going to stay 1067 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,960 in Europe here. We're going to Germany, so we've 1068 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,680 got one or two companies. This could be, you know this, I 1069 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000 don't know. Which one you're going to do 1070 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000 first We're. Going to go with Adidas. 1071 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,600 OK, got it, got it. All right, man, I have some 1072 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,600 thoughts. Adidas like in high school those 1073 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,160 were my race of the Avantis were my OG the I will forever just 1074 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,720 like I'm holding now a shrine for the Hyperion GTS series have 1075 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680 shrine forever with the Adidas Addi 0 tempo series and. 1076 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,600 Yeah, the tempo would be kind of cool to come back. 1077 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,400 Shout out to the Ogs that know that. 1078 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,120 What the Aegis also is is that was another lightweight 1079 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,040 stability shoe out there and they had like the Adidas Adi 0 1080 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,760 mana, which was actually a stability racing shoe, which was 1081 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,200 really awesome and a couple of the variations. 1082 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,160 But anyway, so and what they are doing really well is without 1083 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,240 even using like, you know, they they keep their stuff under 1084 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,720 wraps. And so it looks like some kind 1085 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,320 of like TPU foam is a lot of the stuff that the light strike Pro 1086 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,960 is and the audios pro 4 has made a massive improvement in terms 1087 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,040 of performance. The audios pro 3 was great. 1088 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,280 It was stable, but it was not the fastest shoe. 1089 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,960 I think the audios pro 4 made a really jump big jump forward in 1090 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,320 some ways. Unfortunately, it made a jump 1091 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,000 backwards from stability and that might be a big complaint 1092 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,520 about the whole Adi zero line is none of them are that stable. 1093 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,280 So it kind of limits what we can do in that realm. 1094 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440 But I feel like performance wise they're doing good. 1095 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,920 They're a little bit fractured though, So I think their 1096 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,640 performance is obviously second to none, right? 1097 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,560 That's why a lot of people wearing them at the top, they're 1098 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,040 doing great. That's the third company that 1099 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,520 you've said is second to none. Yeah, but it's like, I mean, 1100 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,760 it's great, right? So what the problem is, I feel 1101 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,160 like I am very confused oftentimes with what they're 1102 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,200 doing and it feels like things are really fractured. 1103 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,120 So like the audios line are the Audi Zero line makes sense, 1104 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,480 right? You have a lot of shoes in that 1105 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,160 line. The Boston's lightweight 1106 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,240 trainer, which I would love that. 1107 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,440 We still haven't gotten to try version 13. 1108 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,200 They forgot about us on that one. 1109 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,760 And the prime X is like the crazy super trainer. 1110 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,320 Every like every company's got one audios Pro 4 is your is your 1111 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,480 like classic marathon, half marathon, like do it all racer. 1112 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,600 The Takumi Sen is now getting a little more legit. 1113 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,760 It's still like that under the radar shoe that doesn't get 1114 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,400 talked about a lot. And then people have no idea 1115 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,920 that they're the audio still exists. 1116 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,200 And the newest versions, like the only lightweight minimal one 1117 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,360 of the only lightweight minimal trainer are like racing shoes 1118 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,760 out there beside the street fly, but it's like totally different. 1119 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,720 So there's a lot of shoes, but only a few of them get like a 1120 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,680 lot of like talked about like the audios Pro 4, like the 1121 00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,040 biggest one of all of those. Then you go over there trainers 1122 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,640 and it's just confusing. It's better than it was but I 1123 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,840 still feel like the trainers are not getting a lot of love and to 1124 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,720 be honest that's where people are going to spend most time. 1125 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,200 I really love the solution too and it was a big surprise. 1126 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,360 It was a personal purchase. They don't usually see dust. 1127 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,640 The trainers and the rise was OK but the solution was even even 1128 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,440 better as a mild lightweight stability shoe. 1129 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:29,840 But it feels more lightweight if you go into the the prima, like 1130 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,440 they all look basically the same. 1131 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,640 It's not that different. It's like slightly heavier and a 1132 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,080 little bit more awkward. So again, the trainers need a 1133 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,720 little bit more love. And the other thing is like some 1134 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,160 of the geometries in the like in the trainers, like you got to 1135 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,360 like just be careful like this. They're bevels. 1136 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,280 So massive poster loudly. It does work. 1137 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,080 But like this amount of posterior flare, like you don't 1138 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,240 don't need this. Like that's just extra weight. 1139 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,760 Yes, I can see some of the people in the bio mechanics like 1140 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,800 going, yeah, it like lengthens the stance phase because they 1141 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,400 land earlier, but that's not what you want. 1142 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,080 You want a shorter stance phase because then people are moving 1143 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,440 quicker and that's a little bit better. 1144 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,400 And if you have a large posterior flare, you're going to 1145 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,280 land early. So I feel like the two things 1146 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,760 are like really the getting the trainer line going. 1147 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,760 But also overall I feel like Adidas is also one of the less 1148 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,080 stable companies out there. Like they love their midfoot 1149 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,520 cutouts and all that kind of stuff. 1150 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,440 So I think they, I know they are working on trying to bring their 1151 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,120 trainers a little bit more forward and that they, they know 1152 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,800 that some of that stuff was to keep confusing. 1153 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,440 But I think there needs to be some better communication 1154 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,840 between the Adidas like your dream strike type shoes and like 1155 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,840 really solidifying the trainers and then you're out of zero line 1156 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,480 and going making sure everything kind of makes sense and has like 1157 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,160 a purpose to the consumer. Whereas for me, to be honest, if 1158 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,560 I can get my hands on a Boston, that probably the main thing I'd 1159 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,760 use as the training shoe and then go with the rest of the 1160 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,440 Adidas line. And I might not even know 1161 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,320 because these aren't advertised very well that the solution of 1162 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,040 the rise or the Prima are really that strong out there. 1163 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,520 They're solid shoes, but they just, they don't get a lot of 1164 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,040 attention. So a little confusion there. 1165 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,960 Yeah, I feel like we're just agreeing way too much, man. 1166 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:18,720 This is now we're good. That's good with the Adidas 1167 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,160 shoes. So this is mostly like in the 1168 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,280 Addie 0 lineup for me. I think they've done an 1169 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,040 excellent job of their outsoles and keeping weight down. 1170 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,040 I feel like that light traction that they did on the Audios Pro 1171 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:35,040 4, like it's killer sticky. Yeah, it's so sticky and it's 1172 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,040 lightweight and it works just so well. 1173 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,360 And I feel like they're on to something as far as weight 1174 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,480 reduction goes. And other companies are starting 1175 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,320 to catch up, right. We've seen the A6 meta speed 1176 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:50,400 ray, but like it wouldn't even the Mizuno prototype pure. 1177 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,240 I think it's pretty light too. Not that I would know anything 1178 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:58,680 about numbers on that, but. People have advertised it's 137g 1179 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,760 right on social media. It's supposed to be crazy light, 1180 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,720 yeah, but holding it, it is really light. 1181 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080 But I do feel like they've done a really good job of kind of 1182 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,840 sticking to their guns is like, we're going to get this thing as 1183 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,280 light as possible. Maybe other foams are maybe a 1184 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,240 little bit better for certain things or whatever. 1185 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,920 Like I feel like I've had mixed experiences with Light Strike 1186 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,080 Pro, but I do feel like the one thing that is consistent is 1187 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,520 reality. Zero line gets lighter and 1188 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,160 lighter and they kind of keep pushing the boundaries on that. 1189 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,560 So that is, I think I give them a lot of credit for, especially 1190 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,320 on the outsole side of it, because that's usually the 1191 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,400 complaint that you hear is that rubber weighs, you know, a 1192 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,600 certain amount of weight and like it's hard to get that down. 1193 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,960 And they they crushed consistently crushed durability. 1194 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,880 The durability of their shoes has been band tastic across, 1195 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,680 they're both lines across both trainers and racers. 1196 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,880 They've been awesome. Yeah. 1197 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,400 And then my only thing that I think is the worst thing doing 1198 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,640 is the awareness of the training line for pretty much every 1199 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,760 company in the industry. I could probably name you just 1200 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,080 about every trainer they got. And Adidas is one of the 1201 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,200 companies, the few ones I don't think I could tell you all of 1202 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,040 the trainers they have. Not saying they're bad shoes, I 1203 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,880 just they don't really market their trainers super well. 1204 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,440 I don't really know which thing falls in which category unless 1205 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,800 there's a little bit of hype around it. 1206 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,440 You know, like let's say with the Addi 0 Evo SL, right? 1207 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,280 Like popular shoe, a lot of people like it. 1208 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,680 Like I know it exists totally. Forgot about that shoe shoot. 1209 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,240 Yeah, right. Like, and then the Boston. 1210 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,680 Boston's been around forever. We know the Boston don't need to 1211 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,560 look it up, right? You hear New Boston comes out 1212 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,400 like got it. I know lightweight trainer. 1213 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,680 But other than that, like they've changed so much 1214 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,800 throughout the years, right? They had the supernova line, 1215 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,320 then they didn't, then they had the glide and then they didn't, 1216 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,200 then they had the solar glide, then they had like, it's just 1217 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,680 changed so much over the years. I don't know what's what 1218 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,760 anymore. And I, yeah, it's it's really 1219 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,120 confusing even for me. And I think if it's confusing 1220 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,640 for me, I can't imagine what it's like for someone who knows 1221 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,640 little about shoes and it's going into a store trying to buy 1222 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,920 things. So I I yeah, that might be the 1223 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,120 most muddy of training lines. Like, I, I don't know. 1224 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,840 I don't know if I can name 5 trainers right now. 1225 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,840 Can you name three? Yeah, I can name 3. 1226 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,280 What are they? I just said 3. 1227 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,760 Oh OK, no it not in the addi zero line. 1228 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,240 Oh, like taking the Evo SL out and then taking the Boston 13? 1229 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,000 Their other trainers? Yeah, see. 1230 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,720 Oh, gosh. OK. 1231 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,360 I said them. I said them earlier. 1232 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,520 So we'll see if you if you remember. 1233 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,880 Yeah, there was a supernova rise that they brought back. 1234 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,480 Yep. See the solution I didn't know 1235 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,640 existed until you bought it. Yeah, I didn't know that either. 1236 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,920 And then and same thing with the Prima. 1237 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,800 Yep, great. But again, I didn't know they 1238 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,200 existed though. There is one more that's not in 1239 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,960 the superlobal line that I cannot remember. 1240 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,600 I can see it but I cannot remember it to save my life 1241 00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,560 'cause I like I bought it in the past and it was a brick and I 1242 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,640 don't remember what it's called so and. 1243 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,360 Then there's obviously the Ultra Boost that still exists. 1244 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,760 Yeah. Oh and I totally forgot Ultra 1245 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,360 Boost, which is kind of a weird situation where it's a halfway 1246 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,320 decent running suit which is like halfway to have. 1247 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,120 Yeah, yeah. But it's still a decent running 1248 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,440 shoe. I didn't, especially the Ultra 1249 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,240 Boost when they went to the Ultra Boost light. 1250 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,680 Yeah, that was a. That model was actually good. 1251 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,280 Yeah, I actually did like that a lot. 1252 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,240 So, and they kind of moved away from it, but yeah, yeah, the 1253 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,200 training lineup definitely needs to the Solution series or the 1254 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,320 the Supernova series if they're going to bring that back. 1255 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,440 So they're ones like you got to give that some love because 1256 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,760 that's honestly what most people should be spending their time 1257 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,040 and they shouldn't be spending all their time in Addie 0. 1258 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,840 It's not what Addie 0's originally meant for. 1259 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,000 I mean, yeah, the evil SL and the Boston are getting some 1260 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,160 serious love and they are great shoes. 1261 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,760 At least I think the Boston 13 is a great shoe. 1262 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,840 I haven't tried it, but yeah, the just need some love for the 1263 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:52,640 trainers. Yeah. 1264 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,200 Well, I think we're going to go for one more here. 1265 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,480 We're kind of coming up on time, but we're going to stay in 1266 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,720 Germany. So the other company that is 1267 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,040 also out there is the Big Cat Energy of Puma. 1268 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,240 Got it. What do What do we think about 1269 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,080 Puma? Pros, cons. 1270 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,680 What do we got? I think of all companies, 1271 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,040 they've made the largest. Like we talked about on kind of 1272 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,200 being new to the scene, but like Puma just disappeared. 1273 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,560 And I'm not speaking natively, but when I was working at 1274 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,080 running stores, they try to come back with the Foss line and 1275 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,320 everybody's like, what is this? Like, are we supposed to take 1276 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,120 you seriously on this? And then they went quiet. 1277 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,000 And I think their recent, the, the recent stuff that's come out 1278 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,320 in the last few years has really showed that they are very 1279 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,320 serious about their performance. Like people been asking about 1280 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,760 the Velocity Nitro 4, Andrew and I have it. 1281 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,800 It's a really solid shoe. It's not quite stable enough for 1282 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,760 me. So I'm struggling with that a 1283 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,840 little bit. But like super lightweight, 1284 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,560 awesome. It's cell foam, just a nice 1285 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,400 simple shoe all the way up to the mag Max to the like. 1286 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,400 I think the fast are, even though it's not appropriate. 1287 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,480 Andrea, that's her shoe of the year, racing shoe of the year. 1288 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,480 It's super aggressive. It may have irritated my post 1289 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,280 tip, but they're trying some really cool stuff. 1290 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,000 And as a fairly new, like a new returner to running, it's very 1291 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,040 cool to see what they're doing and how aggressive they're 1292 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:16,320 they're being like the if not for the Keanu, the the forever 1293 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:21,040 run Nitro might have been. Did I say right, Kyano? 1294 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,080 I said it wrong. Somebody's going to be keeping a 1295 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,600 counter of this road run over episodes, but that's fine. 1296 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,440 The Kyano. That could be like a drinking 1297 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,240 game, like how many times do that? 1298 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,920 Klein. Mispronounced Kyano. 1299 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,920 Gosh what was I thought. The forever on Nitro 2 is a 1300 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,800 really solid shoe and a mouse. It's the upper still needs a 1301 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,560 little work but is a massive improvement. 1302 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,400 One of my top stability shoes of the year is It's great where and 1303 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,680 now I remember where I was going. 1304 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,600 I think performance wise, they've made some really big 1305 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,760 improvements very quickly. I think one of the challenges 1306 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,800 for them outside of the Forever on Nitro 2 is that some of their 1307 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,600 shoes are getting so aggressive they may not be appropriate for 1308 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,800 everyone. Like the the Fast R3 is 1309 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,600 definitely a tool for a very unique group and there's nothing 1310 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,360 wrong with that. I think the Outfly is not that 1311 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,960 different, although everybody loves that shoe. 1312 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,640 I just don't forget about inherent stability and I think 1313 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,560 that's where outside of the Forever Run 2, a lot of shoes 1314 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,920 shoes and maybe the mag Max as well. 1315 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,440 A lot of their shoes kind of kind of get a little rough 1316 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,320 handle with just because they're doing every they're super. 1317 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,080 They're some of the lightest shoes on the market, some of the 1318 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,520 most aggressive shoes on the market, and there are sacrifice 1319 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,040 that have to be made and a lot of that times mid foot super 1320 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,640 narrow. There's a lot of medial bias in 1321 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,240 a lot of these shoes. And so just be careful with your 1322 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,840 geometries and where you're taking things because special 1323 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,720 people fatigue might not everybody like that. 1324 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,120 You don't need to make every shoe a stability shoe, but there 1325 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,840 should be some inherent stable components to it without making 1326 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,840 it excessively A stability shoe or biased away. 1327 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,880 So just be careful with that. A lot of the shoes that I've 1328 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,720 tried from them aren't been very immediately biased recently. 1329 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,560 So the the magnify the forever run, not forever run. 1330 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,880 The Velocity 4 for sure, which I'm trying to get miles on. 1331 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,000 The fast R3 really has it. But yeah, just be careful with 1332 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,800 some of the geometries as you get more aggressive. 1333 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,560 It's probably my only caution. Yeah, I agree. 1334 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,680 I it's a tough one for me. OK. 1335 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,920 So I did not run in much Puma this year. 1336 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,240 So I'm just going to kind of go based on what the market and the 1337 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,840 things that I see right now because I truth be told, I've 1338 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,800 only run in the Magnify and the Deviate Nitro Elite trail this 1339 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,120 year that I can think of off the top of my head. 1340 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,200 I don't believe I've run in another Puma shoe this year. 1341 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,760 With that said, I feel like from a material standpoint, like I 1342 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,680 feel like right now, ASICS and Puma are kind of the cool kids 1343 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,800 on the block right now. They're everything they're 1344 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,080 rolling out. People are super excited about, 1345 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,240 They're super lively. Like they're definitely cooking 1346 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,280 up some fun stuff. And that performance line and 1347 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,280 the training line too, like they people are really excited about 1348 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,600 what's coming down the line there and I think they're doing 1349 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,160 it as good as anyone else in the market, if not better between 1350 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,680 those two companies respectively. 1351 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,840 Like I can't think of a single company people are more excited 1352 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,560 about right now. With that said, you know, again, 1353 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,280 I haven't run in that many this year, but I do feel like they're 1354 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,760 mid foot tend to be pretty narrow. 1355 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,760 That is one thing where it's kind of a common trend I'm 1356 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,640 noticing and I ran in the magnified, you know, the newest 1357 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,600 version of it this year. The foam is awesome. 1358 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,960 You know, it's a very just plush, lightweight, bouncy foam, 1359 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,240 but it's on a pretty narrow platform. 1360 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,280 And so it's a little bit unstable. 1361 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,960 You know, I feel like it is just, it's like the definition 1362 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,000 of like a neutral shoe that's like dancing on that unstable 1363 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,800 line. But it's not unstable enough to 1364 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,920 call it unstable. It's just not. 1365 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,360 It's on the less stable end of neutral. 1366 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,280 And yeah, I feel like you have to have very neutral mechanics 1367 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,240 running that shoe, but it is a really nice shoe, for what it's 1368 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,720 worth. But I do feel like they kind of 1369 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,720 dance on those midfoot lines where it's a little bit narrow 1370 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:05,920 on a lot of the shoes I've tried. 1371 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,600 And I feel like they probably could make shoes a little bit 1372 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,960 more stable through the midfoot. But again, that's me just kind 1373 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,600 of having a personal bias there. And I, I don't, I can't really 1374 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,200 speak on a quote UN quote worst that much because I just haven't 1375 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,920 run in their shoes that much. I see you're holding something 1376 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,480 there. I can see the shoe just kind of 1377 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,120 touching the bottom of the screen. 1378 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,240 Yeah, we have technically two more that we do need to get to. 1379 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,920 We got three more on my list. You you want to keep going, 1380 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,240 We're going to keep. Going, let's just do it. 1381 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,040 We're all in North. Of an hour, my guy, I. 1382 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,520 Know we are I have. I am so behind on work. 1383 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,480 This is Matt's version of procrastinating on work. 1384 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,040 Is doing more work with me. Yeah, exactly. 1385 01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,560 That's what this is all. Right. 1386 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,840 All right. If we're going to, if you're 1387 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,960 going to reference the new prototype shoes from Mizuno, we 1388 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,680 got to talk about Mizuno. So I'm going to throw this back. 1389 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,720 What are your pros and cons about Mizuno right now? 1390 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,400 Yeah, I OK, I think right now the pro in Mizuno is that they 1391 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,280 are the Wild West of the riding shoe companies right now. 1392 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,240 And I mean that in a good way. I feel like they're just, 1393 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,000 they're just cooking up things like crazy. 1394 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,480 Like it's not even like like ASICS and Puma. 1395 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,360 You can feel a direction on it. Mizuno is just like, yeah, 1396 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,960 here's a bunch of new shoes. Like, well, this is like, we're 1397 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,560 literally calling this Neo, you know, like Zen Neo Vista. 1398 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,320 Like this is like a new chapter for Mizuno. 1399 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,160 It's like what Reebok did years ago. 1400 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,120 And they just started just ripping through these new shoes. 1401 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,480 And it was like, and they were good shoes, right? 1402 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,440 Like, and these are good shoes. You know, I don't mean to say 1403 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,080 like, I mean the Wild West in a good way. 1404 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,160 And they've just, they're coming out with all kinds of crazy 1405 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,880 stuff. And then you've got the 1406 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,280 prototype line of shoes coming down as well. 1407 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,920 And yeah, they're just playing with stuff, man. 1408 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,800 Like, I think all of the shoes that I've tried of this new wave 1409 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,840 of Mizuno have all been good shoes. 1410 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,280 And I think they're, they're experimenting in the most fun of 1411 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,160 ways right now. They don't really have much to 1412 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,000 lose, right? Like they don't have like this. 1413 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:08,720 I don't know. Yeah. 1414 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,120 I will say the right the new rider was pretty crazy to me 1415 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,240 that like it just went from the firm shooter now one of the 1416 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,279 softer daily trainers out there, which is like crazy to me to be 1417 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,840 like, wow, this is like bouncy, soft, responsive like that. 1418 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,560 You guys are willing to try stuff and I'm really holding on 1419 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,560 hoping the inspire like really moves forward because the 21 was 1420 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,760 kind of that classic like, yeah, it's a Mizuno shoe. 1421 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,720 It's high drop, which is not bad, but just not responsive, 1422 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,040 clunky and kind of has it been, But like knowing what they're 1423 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,080 cooking up is like, oh, this, you get excited for this stuff. 1424 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,319 So yeah, anyway, sorry not to interrupt you. 1425 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,120 No, no, I think that's good. I think it was actually great 1426 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,640 that you brought that up because the one thing I have on the 1427 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,399 negative side is that they are steering the ship away from 1428 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,600 their traditionals and for better or for worse, right? 1429 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,279 Like the wave rider has been kind of this firmer high drop, 1430 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,920 very traditional feelings shoot forever, right? 1431 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,640 Like you knew exactly what you were buying with the wave rider. 1432 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,080 You knew exactly what you're buying. 1433 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,279 Like let's say with the Brooks, you know, Oh my gosh, what was 1434 01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:19,640 it Ghost or like? And now we're kind of entering 1435 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,960 this new era of these companies where like some of them are 1436 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,520 starting to take that step forward. 1437 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,040 But I feel like the wave rider has taken bigger leaps then 1438 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,560 let's say the ghost or the Glycerin respectively have and 1439 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,000 it's more flexible. This foam is really soft and 1440 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,359 bouncy. It still feels like a wave rider 1441 01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:41,560 just enough to still call it a wave rider to me, but it's like 1442 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,200 it feels like it's a different shoe and I, I feel like that's 1443 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,160 where my heartstrings are getting pulled because I think 1444 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,720 of like wave rider 23. I think of like other wave rider 1445 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,480 25, like I've multiple shoes that I just like loved in the 1446 01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:02,840 wave rider series and it's it's a bittersweet thing for me to 1447 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,880 see the company evolving like this. 1448 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:10,080 And I almost wish that they kept the wave rider a little bit more 1449 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,240 wave rider Y and then just went bonkers on the neo line, you 1450 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,920 know, but I don't know, it's good. 1451 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,880 It's probably for the better in the long run here. 1452 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,840 But I do feel like for the people that are very traditional 1453 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,880 in like they know what to expect out of their wave rider at their 1454 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,520 wave inspire, like those shoes are just going to change. 1455 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,320 They're changing. That's what's happening. 1456 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:35,480 So you can see it happening in lifetime and it's exciting, but 1457 01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:37,920 it's also a little bit, you know, nerve wracking at the same 1458 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,720 time if it's a shoe that you really love. 1459 01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:42,680 I would definitely agree with that. 1460 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,960 So like really quick, I would say one of the positives is from 1461 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,880 being one of the most consistent and I'm going to say this boring 1462 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,160 companies out there to now being the total wild card that they're 1463 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,880 they are more wild than anybody else out there. 1464 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,120 The stuff they're willing to try and throw out. 1465 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,360 It's just like, whoa, where where? 1466 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,520 It's just yeah, it's so the Neo Vista was a great example of 1467 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,520 this. The Neo Vista, they're like, 1468 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,920 screw it, we're just going to put more stack out. 1469 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,360 We're going to make this talk crazier. 1470 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,160 Forget it, right, We're going to be the the first ones to 1471 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,800 obviously create the rebellion pro and be like, yeah, you know, 1472 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,200 forget your rules and we're going to like like crazy 1473 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:23,520 geometries has been like really fun and just seeing everything 1474 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,320 evolve and grow and going, Hey, let's push this to see what 1475 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,040 happens. Their prototype line is another 1476 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,440 example. This were like, hey, we're going 1477 01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:33,160 to I can't talk about, but like they're trying something very 1478 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,440 different that hasn't been done for a while and it's really cool 1479 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:37,920 to see. That said, without spilling too 1480 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,320 much beans, I feel like they're also really extreme like you 1481 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:47,200 have, and this has been an issue previously where their training 1482 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,200 line is kind of set up one way and then you go to their racing 1483 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,120 line and it's so aggressively different that there's not 1484 01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:58,000 really a connection there. Like you know, it it like 1485 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,640 without giving too much about what the proto series is like, I 1486 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,840 remember back in the day, and this is the same issue where 1487 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,360 they'd have the writer the inspire all these shoes that 1488 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,360 were 12 millimetre drop and then all the racing shoes were like 4 1489 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,480 and you're like, dude, trying to transition between those. 1490 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:13,760 If you were sticking with the brand, they were. 1491 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,680 So aggressively flat. Hard and so I think their protos 1492 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,920 have gone the exact same way with like especially with those 1493 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,840 the ones that you'd like, the pure and stuff like that, like 1494 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,800 they're super aggressive and then you have your trainers, 1495 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,920 which are really different, like all the trainers are super Max 1496 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,080 stack. There's not a lot of stuff 1497 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,720 that's moderate stack height. It's their tall, big bouncy, 1498 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,120 like they're all going that direct direction and then you're 1499 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,640 going to go to the racing line, which is going to be completely 1500 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,480 different. And so like, if somebody wants 1501 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:44,800 to like likes the company and transition between them, it does 1502 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,600 make that really hard. Going from the Neo Vista to some 1503 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,160 of the racing shoes, especially with the Achilles issue right 1504 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,640 now, like has been a little challenging and maybe this is 1505 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,400 me, you know, complaining, but it would nice to have some 1506 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,640 consistency in geometries between some of the stuff, But 1507 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,480 that's Mizuno hasn't usually done that, but they're wild. 1508 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,480 I'm also I got to give a shout out. 1509 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,400 The Neo Vista 2 has become my favorite shoe, especially as I'm 1510 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,320 getting through the Achilles issue. 1511 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,080 It's one of the few trainers that came out this year that 1512 01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,680 doesn't have a heel counter. I don't know how hard this is. 1513 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,200 And they actually did a good job as it's broken in the shoes, 1514 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,440 held up really well and it doesn't piss my haggling 1515 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:19,840 deformity off. So you know. 1516 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,760 That's a nice one too, for people that like volume. 1517 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,920 Yeah, that was one of those shits where they're like, you 1518 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,040 want volume, we'll give you volume. 1519 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,760 Yeah, they're like you. Know like you don't have 1520 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,920 anything to go out. Don't worry, we'll throw 1521 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,560 everything at this. That's fine, yeah. 1522 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,120 Yeah, but that's a fun shoe. All right. 1523 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,560 All right, we'll get on to the next one. 1524 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,040 You're holding up the Saucony Triumph. 1525 01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,040 So coming back to the United States here. 1526 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,320 Yeah. Well, we, Oh my gosh, we have 1527 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,880 two companies in the Boston area that we have to finish up. 1528 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,240 So I guess we'll do Socony first. 1529 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,440 So what you're doing, I'm going to throw you back, throw it back 1530 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,440 to you. Positives and negatives for 1531 01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,560 Socony. OK, OK. 1532 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,840 My positive and my negative are the same thing. 1533 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,560 Oh, OK. I feel like Socony has some good 1534 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,920 foams that they've got in that lab there. 1535 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,800 I think in Credit Run is very fun. 1536 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,680 You know, I think Power Run HG was phenomenal. 1537 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,080 What happened to it in the Endorphin Elite one? 1538 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,760 Right? Like we saw it there and then it 1539 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,240 vanished. It is. 1540 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:29,360 There is some actually in the Endorphin Pro 4 there is, yeah. 1541 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,320 There's a top layer of it encased in the in the power in. 1542 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,920 The power in PB, yes. In the four, yeah, I don't know 1543 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,440 how. And in version 5, apparently 1544 01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:40,000 they're continued how they could do you know, I have no idea 1545 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,600 because we haven't tried it. But and then rumor on the street 1546 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,720 is that the endorphin speed 6 might have. 1547 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,680 Yeah. I know just like The Tempest 3. 1548 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,480 Anyways, anyway, but I like that the power on plus is coming into 1549 01:14:57,480 --> 01:14:59,600 the ride series. You know, I think that was a 1550 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,640 really nice foam that they had, but it felt like it was like a 1551 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,600 durable nice foam for the flagship. 1552 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,200 It didn't feel like the premium, premium foam of like the 1553 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,880 industry, you know what I mean? Where like that would be the 1554 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,840 Triumph, right? Where it was always in the 1555 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,840 Triumph, but not in the ride. So I think they just had a hard 1556 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,640 time getting some of these foam offerings to the consumer in a 1557 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,520 way that makes sense. And I think that is where I'm 1558 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,320 juggling with Saucony right now, truth be told, you know, like 1559 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,360 this year they had a little bit less releases. 1560 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,280 I have just seen a little bit less socket issues than I'm used 1561 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,760 to seeing as well. There could be some bias there 1562 01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,680 unintentionally. But I, I, I like where they're 1563 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,000 going with the power and plus offerings being into more than 1564 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,320 normal lineup. I'd like to see it kind of make 1565 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,600 its way maybe into the guide and make that just a normal thing 1566 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,880 and not in the hurricane. And then maybe the HG find a way 1567 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,160 or PB to incorporate that. Well, I guess they did start 1568 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,920 incorporating PB as well now in the premium line, so that makes 1569 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,840 sense. But it feels very just 1570 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,280 staggered. And I feel like HG has now been 1571 01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,240 out for what, three years? And I've barely seen it. 1572 01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:17,720 And I feel like their phones can be what kind of phantomy 1573 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,440 sometimes. Like they exist here and there 1574 01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:23,080 and they kind of just put them together and then like, 1575 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,160 sometimes you see it and sometimes you don't. 1576 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,880 And there's not really great reasoning for either, at least 1577 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,640 on the other end, you know, when you're a consumer looking at it. 1578 01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,880 What do you think? Yeah, I'm, I'm struggling with 1579 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,080 this a little bit because I see the long term stuff. 1580 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,320 I know that they're taking a not a slower, but more, but yeah. 1581 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,560 They're methodical about it. They're more. 1582 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,320 Methodical now with their releases, which again allows for 1583 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,560 some consistency, which I totally get by the way. 1584 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,440 I yeah, I'm trying to think of it's Saucony's. 1585 01:16:56,440 --> 01:17:00,200 It's they're, how do I say this? I've been thinking about this 1586 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,120 all day and been really challenged in like. 1587 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,800 Soccer is a negative for me. Yeah, I don't know how to 1588 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:10,200 explain this. I maybe it might also be another 1589 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,520 thing where like they the the models seem to be shifting so 1590 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,280 much. I know we talked about evolving 1591 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,920 this stuff, but like the speed was a completely different shoe. 1592 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,760 The durability was not very good and I ripped that off. 1593 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,920 I did lot It's like. So maybe here's what I'll the 1594 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,960 positive about and negative about saucity. 1595 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,240 It's very like, like I love the shoe and then there's always 1596 01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,720 something a big negative about it, like the speed, the 1597 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,840 durability was not good, but I loved that it actually created 1598 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,160 this like almost mild stability effect in the rear foot, which 1599 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,720 also didn't work for a lot of people. 1600 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,280 And it got a lot softer. It was like, there's a lot of I 1601 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,160 love this and I also hate this. The Endorphin Elite too. 1602 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,040 I love how bouncy that thing is. I hate how unstable it is. 1603 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,440 It's just like I got 100 miles on it, but it's not a shoe I 1604 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:01,280 could ever take for racing because my deep hip rotators get 1605 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,720 flared up almost every time you use it for anything longer. 1606 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,160 The Endorphin pro took forever to for took forever broke in. 1607 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,600 But man, I love that shoe. And then the heel came off. 1608 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,200 So it's a lot of like, I love this, but then I also don't so 1609 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,560 like extreme and so I don't know how to fix that because they're 1610 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,440 doing fine with their geometries. 1611 01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:26,960 The foams, like you said, they're, they're coming out, the 1612 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,720 operas are doing OK. It just seems like there's a lot 1613 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,600 of like kind of stuff going on and I don't know how to, I don't 1614 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,720 know how to put into words with this. 1615 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,560 I think they got solid shoes. I don't think they get as much 1616 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,640 attention as they often deserve, which is a is a big issue. 1617 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,200 But they make great shoes. It's just they kind of like seem 1618 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,000 to like, yeah, I don't know how to describe this. 1619 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,880 I feel like that. Was not helpful at all. 1620 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,560 People people comment below that that was terrible and I need to 1621 01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,480 do a better job. It's all. 1622 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,600 Good. It was bad. 1623 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,080 It's getting late, but. This is your doing man. 1624 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:06,680 I don't, yeah. I don't know how to put. 1625 01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,320 I don't know how to put my finger on this. 1626 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,200 And to be honest, I think New Balance is in the same 1627 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,360 situation. Yeah. 1628 01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:15,960 So New Balance is the last company on the list. 1629 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,200 So we'll, we'll go right into it. 1630 01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,040 Yeah, they've again, same thing. They've got some solid shoes, 1631 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:26,160 but none of them are like the top of the top and New Balance 1632 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,280 has got a lot of stuff out there. 1633 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,720 They're getting a little bit better with their their naming a 1634 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,080 little bit, but so like they've got a fresh foam series and 1635 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,880 things like that that's making a little more sense. 1636 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,480 They've kind of somewhat moved away from some of the the 1637 01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:39,600 numbering. The 860 is a solid shoe. 1638 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,920 It's definitely not sexy, but it's great to have a solidly 1639 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,080 wedge shoe. The 880 is boring, but a great 1640 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,560 stable shoe that I think a lot of people are going to do well 1641 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,680 of. It's like a hookah like what the 1642 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:54,440 Cliff did, maybe should have been, but like you know, the SC 1643 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:58,640 Elite version 5 has been a top racing a top like long run shoe 1644 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,080 for me, even though it shouldn't be. 1645 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,360 It has been. It's great, but just like 1646 01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:08,400 performance wise I think. Just not where, not on the top 1647 01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:11,120 that again, fairly level kind of like socketing where it's like 1648 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,200 this nice level playing field, but sometimes the changes 1649 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:15,920 between models are a little confusing. 1650 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,560 You're like, whoa, that was like the Rebel was nuts. 1651 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,640 Like that's a completely different direction for that 1652 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,280 shoe. And it's like, whoa, OK, I would 1653 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,200 like to get more miles on it with my Achilles can handle a 1654 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:30,120 softer low drop shoe. But yeah, I would just say where 1655 01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,800 it sometimes makes sense what they're doing and sometimes it 1656 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,520 makes no sense. And there's not a ton of 1657 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,640 consistency in that. Like the SC Elite version three. 1658 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,560 Like we're at the crazy transition. 1659 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,360 Like firm beyond all belief under foot. 1660 01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:48,160 The plate is too close but I still got 100 miles on it so I 1661 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,800 might just be getting tired. Move on for me. 1662 01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,000 Don't was Thomas at me? All right, I'll bring us home 1663 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,120 here. But as far as a New Balance 1664 01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,520 goes, I think one thing they've been doing really well recently 1665 01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,600 and I I've kind of struggled with this in the past with New 1666 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,280 Balance shoes and it might just be a me problem, but I feel like 1667 01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,520 they've really nailed like their uppers and their fits this year, 1668 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,040 like the SE LE5 for being a super shoe. 1669 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:12,880 That thing just fits like a glove. 1670 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,360 That might be the that might be the upper of the year for the 1671 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:16,440 Super shoes. I don't know. 1672 01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:19,080 I got to think about it a little bit more, but it that thing is 1673 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,440 solid. Hands down Super Shoe upper of 1674 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:24,440 the year by far. Yeah, yeah, it fits so well. 1675 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,840 And I think of like a lot of the other shoes that have rolled out 1676 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,440 this year between the Rebel, the 880, like the 10801080 upper was 1677 01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:34,280 great too this year. So I feel like that's something 1678 01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,640 that I've had a noticeable difference in in the company 1679 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,400 where in the past there's always been something weird about it or 1680 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,840 maybe a shoe feels a little too wedgy like with some of the 1681 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,680 previous more models. But like I got the hero, you 1682 01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,880 know, at the very beginning of the year and then it was like, 1683 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,560 wow, this fits really well. And that was like the first one 1684 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,560 of the year. I remember being like, this 1685 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,680 feels different than what I've felt in the past from New 1686 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,920 Balance. So that that's like the big pro. 1687 01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,240 I think the one thing, and I know they're working on this, 1688 01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,480 but I do think especially with fresh foam kind of being like 1689 01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:08,440 their baseline up for a lot of their shoes, it runs a little 1690 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:12,520 heavy. And I feel like that's kind of 1691 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,840 been a gripe that I've had. And like everyone else, they're 1692 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,400 working on it. Like I am sure things will be 1693 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,920 lighter in the near future. But that's the one thing I kind 1694 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,800 of noticed where it's like, wow, this is a nice ride, but it 1695 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,800 feels heavy like where you're kind of saying like they're just 1696 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,840 not quite the top of any of the categories, but they're not the 1697 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,200 bottom by any means. You know, they're just kind of 1698 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,120 right in the middle there on a lot of the stuff. 1699 01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:40,640 So not a bad thing, you know, is consistent. 1700 01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:45,600 But yeah, I, I feel like if some of those shoes like especially 1701 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,280 in the fresh foam line just got a little bit lighter like that 1702 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,560 could be potential shoe of the year type trainers if they just 1703 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,160 got just lost a little bit, especially with how the rest of 1704 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,760 the markets looking right now. I think the other the other 1705 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,400 thing is some of those foams, even though sometimes like the 1706 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,880 1080 is pretty is like one of the lightest of the premium 1707 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,200 trainers out there. The challenge with it though, is 1708 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,120 that the foam is super soft and not very resilient. 1709 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,840 So there's really a lot of Mizuno shoes do not have a lot 1710 01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,080 of responsiveness to them. Like they're great. 1711 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,320 The S yeah, what did I just say? Mizuno. 1712 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,720 That's right. Mizuno different is insane. 1713 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:25,640 New Balance like yeah, sorry, New Balance like comfortable, 1714 01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,200 but just not very responsive. Even the SC Elite 5 is like my 1715 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,760 favorite long run shoe. Probably not a shoe that I would 1716 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,840 racing to be honest. Would you race a marathon in it? 1717 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,000 I would consider racing a marathon in it because I can 1718 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,400 trust it, but it's not going to be like my PR. 1719 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,960 It's going to be like, oh, I know this is comfortable and I 1720 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,520 trust this. I'm going to take it Not oh, I'm 1721 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,120 going as fast as possible. I'm going to be consistent. 1722 01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,200 I think that's fair. Yeah. 1723 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,240 All right. Well, that brings us to the end 1724 01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,200 of the episode. Thank you guys for making it 1725 01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,360 this far. I want to put it on the record. 1726 01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,600 This is Matt's doing. As we crash as. 1727 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,320 I was crashing. Bomb bomb. 1728 01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,760 I'm gonna get a message from people at socket and going. 1729 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,600 What the heck are you talking about? 1730 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,480 And like, I'm sorry, I was gonna land this thing 20 minutes ago, 1731 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,040 but we can't forget about socketing New Balance, of 1732 01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:13,960 course. I wasn't forgetting we just were 1733 01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,040 getting it was a good episode. We were cooking, we we had time 1734 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,320 going. But thank you for listening to 1735 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,920 this and making it as far whether you're watching or 1736 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,240 listening, you can continue to find us on all of our normal 1737 01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,440 channels, whether that be Instagram, YouTube, the podcast 1738 01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:31,000 on Apple, Spotify, whatever your liking is. 1739 01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:34,200 But thank you for watching and we hope you have a good evening 1740 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,760 or morning, whatever time of day you're listening to this.