1 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,960 Welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast where we, a 2 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,080 group of doctors of physical therapy, discussed the art and 3 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,360 science of running and the stuff that we put on our feet. 4 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,159 If you are just joining into this episode and didn't listen 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,000 to the last weeks, you are actually joining in partway 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,240 through a discussion on our favorite picks for running shoes 7 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,200 in 2023. So if you are just listening to 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,200 this and didn't didn't listen to last week, highly recommend 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,520 jumping back over. So you can hear Andrea, Matt and 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,120 David talk about their favorite daily trainers, stability shoes 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,040 and performance trainers. 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There is no obligation to do so, 27 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,440 but we do want to welcome you to do that if you're thinking of a 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,160 way that you want to contribute to the work that we do further. 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,360 So let's let's jump right in. Let's go here from Matt, Andrea 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,480 and David about their top racing shoes and trail shoes from this 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:02:02,040 year. All right, we're gonna get a 32 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,280 little bit more aggressive here. Are you 2 ready for racing shoes 33 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,960 of the year? Do you wanna do marathon or 5K? 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Like 5K to half marathon first? You think? 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,360 Wanna go up? Like go from short to long or 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,840 long to short. I think we'd normally do short 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,160 to long so we could reverse it this time. 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,840 All right, let's reverse it. Let's do marathon. 39 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:30,080 Yeah, let's do marathon or long distance stuff first. 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,120 All right. David went first. 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Wait, who went first last? Time. 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,680 I think I went first. Yeah, that's. 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,160 A great question, SO. You're right, David, you are 44 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,280 first. Now I am first. 45 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,080 Now. Yeah. 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,720 All right. So I have 3 pairs of this shoe. 47 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,480 So they were saying earlier, like if you go and you end up 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,680 buying a pair, chances are you like the shoe for the marathon. 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,000 I'm going sock on endorphin elite. 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,560 I feel like that's not a surprise. 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,360 I feel like a lot of people know I like this shoe, especially for 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,560 the marathon distance. Half marathon distance too, but 53 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,480 very rhythmic. Like I think the power on HG 54 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,520 midsole. I like it better than the PB 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,440 midsole because I found the Endorphin Pro 3 to be a little 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,280 bit kind of soft, compliant, mushy. 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,160 I I kind of. I didn't. 58 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,120 I liked the shoe, but I just. I couldn't see myself racing in 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,160 it. And all of that changed with the 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,880 Endorphin Elite. And they are very different 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,200 shoes. Like they're similar in some 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 ways, but they are definitely different. 63 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Much sharper toe spring in the Endorphin Elite up front. 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,440 So you get kind of get this kind of forward rolling all the time. 65 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,760 And then that HG Midsole, I do feel like it's bouncier, but 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,200 it's firmer. It doesn't compress as much, 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,600 like it doesn't feel as compliant. 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,520 And then they also have that just kind of like a wide heel 69 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,120 relatively for a racing shoe. And then it still streamlines 70 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,840 into the mid foot, so it kind of still gives you kind of a speedy 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,720 feel and then it widens out into the forefoot and great for just 72 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,800 falling into rhythm and just staying there. 73 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,040 I mean like finding in that controlled speed up tempo, type, 74 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,080 effort. And the lockdown's good too, I 75 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,400 feel like, especially for Marathon, there's plenty of room 76 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,279 for swallowing accommodation for the foot and the lockdown 77 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,560 through the tongue in the lacing system, it holds you in there. 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,120 If you are sensitive to heel counters, there really isn't 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,640 one. There's this tiny little thing 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,600 right here that gives you a little bit of support on the 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,920 back to hold it. But besides that, really, it's 82 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,840 just kind of like the very shallow heel cup in the side 83 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:37,160 walls from the foam. So it's nice. 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,120 It locks down good, you can fall into rhythm and just kind of go 85 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,600 to work for a long time. And so if I can forget about 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,200 what's on my feet, that's usually a good thing. 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,240 And that's kind of what this does for me. 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,200 Sweet Andrea. This will also be of no surprise 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,080 to anyone who has ever listened to me talk about marathoning the 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,720 Nike Vapor Fly Three. I've run 2 marathons in it this 91 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:06,840 year, 1/2 and lots of workouts. It's just it's the best marathon 92 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,720 shoe I've worn. I really like the update that 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,880 they made on it over version two, specifically shifting the 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,040 four foot platform immediately. At first when I heard that they 95 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,000 did that, I thought, oh, they made it more stable. 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,320 I'm going to hate it. But for whatever reason, that 97 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,360 shift actually made it more comfortable in the two and also 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,560 in the one I did get just like a little bit of soreness just 99 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,800 behind my first MTP and like not enough to not wear it. 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,560 But with version three, I don't get that at all. 101 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,320 And this is the first marathon shoe where my feet don't hurt 102 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,840 the day after a marathon. And that is remarkable. 103 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:55,800 So what else do I love about it? One, it's light 5.6 oz. 104 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,960 I think for women's size 8, they improve the fit of the upper two 105 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,200 over versions one and two. This mesh kind of like stands up 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,200 a little bit more on its own, so it has a little more volume than 107 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,160 one and two. I always felt like the previous 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,240 uppers, they'd like crease a little bit and there would 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,440 always be some sort of like irritation point on the dorsum 110 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,800 of my foot. And that doesn't happen at all 111 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,240 in this shoe traction is great on wet roads, which is really 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,760 important because you never know what conditions are going to be 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,480 on race day. Just yeah, it it does everything 114 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,200 for me. I get more miles out of it than 115 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,000 you would expect for a super shoe. 116 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:44,360 This one I think I stopped using after like 160 or 170. 117 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,720 I was debating whether to use it for Philly after using it in 118 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,320 grandma's and then training in it for my long runs. 119 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,400 But I did like a 20 Miller and it like six weeks before Philly 120 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,920 and it just felt like the midfoot had a little more give 121 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,840 than I liked. So I got a fresh pear and Oh 122 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,560 yeah, that's the good old Vapor Fly that I remember. 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,280 So good durability. You can see the outsole. 124 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,600 I really didn't chew it up that much. 125 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,120 This is my old pear that has like 170 miles on it. 126 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,080 So yeah, hands down, Marathon, chew up the earth for me. 127 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Sweet. I will say I should probably 128 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,520 wait to do this for 5K10K, but the change in the four foot 129 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,360 pattern does make it work a lot better on softer surfaces. 130 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,000 So I know a lot of kids out there use this for cross 131 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,080 country. I've done some. 132 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,680 I've raised my students and I picked those who was doing a two 133 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,440 mile race and found that the attraction was actually plenty 134 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,760 good for dirt and soft services. It's not a trail shoe by any 135 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,960 means, but if you need a little bit more traction it's 136 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,560 definitely improved from the prior version. 137 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,600 However, I'm going to go and be super boring and and have the 138 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,080 same thing this David as the endorphin elite. 139 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,520 If I was going to run a marathon this is the show I would grab 140 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,240 and there's a several reasons why and David alluded to pretty 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,560 much all them where I personally as much balance as there is in 142 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,040 this foam, I like something that just feels like on the firmer 143 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,920 side of that and so this has it. It's not a firm shoe by any 144 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,880 means but it just feels like the bounce a little bit more control 145 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,440 and not out of your face but you'll run this and go I don't 146 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,000 know where this is coming from pace wise it's very you know 147 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,360 it's a great shoe it feels fine actually doing a warm up in but 148 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,320 once you start running fast it's this shoe really comes alive and 149 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,320 it's been really great though for me this is very stable 150 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,360 neutral as at least a stable neutral as a super trainer like 151 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,840 this or super racer. I'm sorry, I can do where it's 152 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,720 got sidewalls that wrap around the entire length of the shoe, 153 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,080 the midfoot is filled in and the lateral forefoot is not. 154 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,000 The base is really wide. Heel does a really great job. 155 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,560 So I this has been a really great shoe for me. 156 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:54,880 I will say the one caveat is the traction isn't very good as I 157 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,440 found on track and wet surfaces, but I live in Southern 158 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,680 California so that usually hasn't been too much of a 159 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,200 problem. But this kind of blows 160 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,520 everything else out of the water in terms of like just a shoe 161 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,840 that I kept grabbing. So a lot of majority of my races 162 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,480 this year, even though this is a marathon shoe and I've really 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,600 raced like 5K10K stuff, it's just I've grabbed this going, I 164 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,840 Oh my like, Oh no, a high school student showed up. 165 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:17,920 I don't want to get my butt kicked. 166 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,120 I'm grabbing the endorphin elite. 167 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,040 So that worked out sometimes. It didn't work out so well 168 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,000 recently, but that's also because I chose I didn't. 169 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,280 You know what? I should have chosen this one 170 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,600 for the recent rates I did. Maybe if I, I wouldn't have 171 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,520 lost. But you know, there's that so. 172 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,120 That that's totally what. It is the only reason, not that 173 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,280 I was totally like not in the shape relevant to be able to 174 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,880 compete against the guys that showed up. 175 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,240 But yeah, Endorphin Elite is definitely my, like, long 176 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,960 distance super shoe racing shoe of the year. 177 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 All right, what about runner UPS for all of you? 178 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,080 Yeah, runner up. For me it was pretty easy. 179 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:56,080 My runner UPS the Vapor Fly 3, so I agree completely with 180 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,880 Andrea. Those that have been following 181 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,120 us, like, no, I didn't really like the Vapor Fly two that much 182 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,600 and I couldn't figure out why people liked it so much. 183 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,280 I was like, I was like this like a super tight. 184 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,760 The heel slips around like it, but the uppers crinkly, right? 185 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Like the traction is doesn't even feel that good. 186 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,520 It's like kind of hoofy and like kind of almost like scratchy. 187 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,440 So I was like, I just, I didn't get it. 188 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,160 I tried. I tried to give it multiple 189 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,480 chances. I'm like, am I missing 190 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,320 something? And I just never came around to 191 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,920 it. And Vaporfly 3 changed a lot of 192 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,640 that. So I know it's been kind of a 193 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,280 polarizing shoe because of that because some people did really 194 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,640 like the Vaporfly 2 and didn't like the three as much. 195 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,120 But for me, them shifting that millimeter immediately on the 196 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,760 forefoot there was huge. That helped stabilize some of 197 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,520 the shoe. That upper is way more airy and 198 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,080 a lot more volume. It doesn't feel like it's 199 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,760 encroaching that mid foot or the volumes too low in the Fort felt 200 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,640 like I would get in the second version and the materials around 201 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,720 it are just a lot more comfortable in general like it 202 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,280 just feels nicer on your foot And then traction as well. 203 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,920 I mean that definitely was noticeable. 204 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,800 I would say, like if you were on wet surfaces right now, this is 205 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,480 probably one of the better, maybe the best outsole traction 206 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,080 you can get on a super shoe at the moment without sacrificing a 207 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,720 bunch of weight. So Vaporfly 3 was good, and it 208 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,800 kind of came down as I was deciding for the marathon. 209 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,040 I'm like, what am I going to wear, you know? 210 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,480 And then I came down to just honestly comfort. 211 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,000 I was like, oh, I'm just, I feel better. 212 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,080 And the endorphin elite came in as simple as that. 213 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,920 But yeah, I'd say it's a little more speedy though. 214 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,400 Oh, got it. Well, since you guys both chose 215 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,520 the endorphin Elite as your top shoe, I've got to say I love how 216 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,280 that shoe rides too. I just had a couple fit issues 217 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,040 with it. Like, I feel like I was between 218 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,680 sizes in it, so my foot would slide around and the little 219 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:51,040 pillow around the Achilles just felt like it angled in a little 220 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,960 too much for me. But like, the ride of that shoe 221 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,960 is amazing. So maybe with a little tweaks, 222 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,360 version two, maybe it'll move up my list, but I appreciate your 223 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,120 choices. But for me, my runner up shoe is 224 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,240 a shoe. I have not run a marathon in 225 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,680 yet, but I very likely will run a marathon in it in a couple 226 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:16,160 months. And that is the Mizuno Rebellion 227 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Pro One. This shoe is very different than 228 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,800 the other shoes we've been talking about. 229 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,000 It's got this pretty crazy heel bevel here. 230 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:31,600 When I first got it for testing, I was like, how on earth am I 231 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,840 going to run in that shoe? And David, you know over and 232 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:40,360 over would be like, it's fine, you'll be fine and he. 233 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,080 I remember this literally something, he says. 234 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,840 I literally would say in messages it's fine. 235 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,800 And he's right like this. It makes it look like there's no 236 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,120 heel. But really, like, especially 237 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,960 because I land further forward, like where the bevel hits. 238 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,320 It just feels so natural for me to land and then roll forward. 239 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,440 And it doesn't have an aggressive rocker feeling, which 240 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,600 is kind of crazy based on how it looks, but it just really lines 241 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,880 up nicely with my mechanics. So I've been doing, you know, 242 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,800 some of my workouts and long runs in this heading into Osaka. 243 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:23,160 I'm basically deciding between version one and version 2, which 244 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,880 is not a 2023 shoe. It'll be released in early 2024. 245 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,760 Little different changes to the geometry in the upper, but yeah, 246 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,720 this people will look at this year and be like, no way, I 247 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,280 can't run in it. But as David told me and he was 248 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,640 right, it's fine. So I would definitely encourage 249 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,800 people to try it out, 'cause it's it has definitely surprised 250 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,200 me with how much I enjoy using it for. 251 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Definitely marathon effort running faster and it feels a 252 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,160 little weird 'cause I definitely get more up on my toes when I 253 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,120 run faster, like even 10K pace, but like marathon or half 254 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 marathon pace, this is this is really nice. 255 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,440 Yeah, I did 1/2 in that. Oh. 256 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,680 That's right. Yeah. 257 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Yeah, yeah. It's a nice shoe. 258 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,080 I mean, it was honestly like one of those ones that kind of just 259 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,800 missed the list, you know? Too many good super shoes, Yeah. 260 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,440 So I didn't know what to expect with this. 261 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,720 So for those who can't see, my runner up shoe is the Hulken 262 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,520 Rocket X2. And so there's a couple reasons 263 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,560 for this. It didn't it wasn't the fastest 264 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,000 shoe, which is why I frequently chose the endorphin elite over 265 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,680 it. But there actually was a race 266 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,520 that I did do in this shoot I actually really, really enjoyed. 267 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,400 So my biggest thing for this is if you like a lower drop shoe, 268 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,040 even though it's a 5mm drop, it does feel very low right? 269 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,240 And I think that's because the toast for the the four foot 270 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,680 rocker is a little late. So it makes it feel like almost 271 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,280 like you're kind of getting over speed bump, which for me when 272 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,000 I'm getting on my toes and moving one and move quick 273 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,840 actually feels good. But this stable, neutral wise is 274 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,240 also nominal. The sidewalls come up pretty 275 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,200 high, It does a really good job. Souls fair like fairly like 276 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,960 relatively doesn't narrow throughout and then just a nice 277 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,320 aggressive ride that I've liked for both 5K efforts which to my 278 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,360 typical racist is and longer efforts. 279 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,720 So I've just wanted something I could trust and have it get out 280 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,120 of the way. So I think Hoka in their first 281 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,360 real super shoe has actually done a really really great job. 282 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,440 The one thing I would ask of them is go can you make this a 283 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,600 little bit lighter First of all because there's rumor that there 284 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,960 is a basically Hoka Alphafly equivalent that they might be 285 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,320 working on. But I I really enjoyed this and 286 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,360 also there was the volume of the shoe is quite low. 287 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,960 So I do like it, but the one thing thing is that it does feel 288 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,840 a little bit low on the shoe. A. 289 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Little spiky, ish. And then this upper, like 290 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,360 weirdly sweats. I don't know what it is like 291 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,960 when I'm running in it, It's like get this like kind of 292 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,280 weird, like like foam on top of it and I haven't figured out 293 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,400 what that. I don't know maybe this is like 294 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 a pathological problem with me and I shouldn't be saying this, 295 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,680 but yeah, the shoe kind of like, forget there's like this weird 296 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,800 white foam that shows up sometimes and I'm like, I don't 297 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,880 know what that is. It's not me, I don't think, but 298 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,480 just some, just some things. Some mild needs of refinement. 299 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Also durability has been really, really good. 300 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,400 So this is my runner up, didn't quite beat the endorphin elite, 301 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,520 but it's also really awesome attempt from Hoka that I got to 302 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,920 give him credit for and excited to see where they go now that 303 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 they're using P backs. All right. 304 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Are we ready for 5K to half marathon racing shoes? 305 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,160 Yes. All right, Andrew, I'm going to 306 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,640 have you go first. This time we'll just switch 307 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,200 back. And forth. 308 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,160 So my top 5K to half marathon shoe is not a 2023 shoe, I'll 309 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,000 just preface that. But my top 2023 shoe for this 310 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,360 distance is without question the on cloud boom E3. 311 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,400 I My top shoe, by the way, is the Alpha Fly one, but obviously 312 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,160 that is not a 2023 shoe, yeah. A1. 313 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Man OG. Yeah, it's great. 314 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,920 But this shoe is actually really close in ride for me to the 315 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,920 alpha ply one. First of all, this shoe has a 9 316 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,800 1/2 millimeter drop, which would typically mean that I'm not 317 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,319 going to like it. But even when I'm running slow 318 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,119 in it, I don't notice the heel at all. 319 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,359 And it's because you can see the it's got like, not a huge heel 320 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,280 bevel, but it's got one. Like it really just gets the 321 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,440 heel out of the way for me. And when I land, it just feels 322 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,160 like I can land on the midfoot. There's no interference from the 323 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,000 heel and it's just it's pretty firm. 324 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,520 Like this isn't a soft shoe, so you just land. 325 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,000 It's really snappy, rocks your forward it. 326 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,080 It's not the same feel as like the Airpods in the Alphafly, but 327 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,720 it's that same like firm bounce and roll feeling. 328 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:55,320 So you know it's not the alpha fly one, but it's 2023's version 329 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:00,280 of the Alpha fly one for me. I was really thinking about 330 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,600 using it for the New Haven 20K, and then I decided to use the 331 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Vapor Fly three actually, but I hope to use it in a shorter race 332 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,200 soon so that I can give you guys a real update on how it is for 333 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,200 shorter distances. But the rides great. 334 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,360 I do have concerns about outsolder ability. 335 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:26,240 I've got about 50 miles on them. I mean, it's not terrible, but I 336 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,040 don't think they're going to last as long as my Vapor flies. 337 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:35,640 And I know that Matt has, yes, worn off most of the rear foot 338 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,280 of his shoe, so we'll see how long it lasts on says that it 339 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,920 will last for four marathons. So I don't know, Maybe I'll get 340 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,880 100 miles, maybe I won't. But I'll let you guys know. 341 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,480 But it's my 2023 pick for shorter distances. 342 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,440 Sweet. David, I might actually go last 343 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,080 'cause I think I'm gonna break the rules. 344 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,120 What? What? 345 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:58,880 What rules? I don't have one. 346 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,960 I have a three. I have. 347 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,960 I have a three-way tie. OK, go for your 3 way tie. 348 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,200 Let's see. So situation dependent. 349 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,360 So actually it's a two way tie with a tie for the other two. 350 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,880 Whatever. I'm just going to say let me 351 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,480 grab this one real quick. So the one that's a stand alone 352 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,880 and then the reason why is because five KS and 10 KS can 353 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,520 look different. Whether it's a cross country 354 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,960 course on the road, there can be a lot of turns depending on the 355 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,280 neighborhood or how the races are structured. 356 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,520 If it's going to be kind of more of a technical 5K where you're 357 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,640 doing a lot of turns, maybe it's a little wet outside, whatever, 358 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,760 like kind of your terrain, not terrain proof, but you're like 359 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,560 your shoe that you're going to be taken out if it's rugged out 360 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,640 is the Takumi send nine for me now. 361 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,040 It's a little bit lower than some of the other super shoes. 362 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,040 It has really good traction under foot. 363 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,240 It locks down really well and the shoe just feels really 364 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,280 nimble and you're able to corner really well. 365 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,600 And so if I'm running a race like that, there's no question 366 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,200 I'm taking the Takumi send nine. However that's where this 3 way 367 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,120 tie comes in because if it's not a course like that then other 368 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,640 shoes start coming into the picture. 369 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,520 So technical courses or if I had to run some kind of a cross 5K 370 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,960 to 8K or something, I'm probably going to choose the Takumi send 371 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,720 nine if I'm not spiked up. Now the other one's A2 way tie. 372 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,440 And if it's a course that doesn't have that much turns or 373 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,960 it's really one that you can kind of almost time trial it 374 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,720 just get in and put the work in the two way tie is between the 375 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Vapor Fly next percent three and the on Cloud Boom E3. 376 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:47,400 So both really responsive shoes, both really can turn over and 377 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,080 I've run two really solid four mile efforts in both of these 378 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,400 just fine. And like if they're the type of 379 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,440 shoes that the more you put into it, the more it responds and you 380 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,920 don't get that out of a lot of shoes. 381 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,680 And I really notice it in the cloud boom E3. 382 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,440 But that foam is, it's a little bit firmer. 383 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,640 And I will say it's also the platform is a little bit more 384 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,520 streamlined. And if you do have some 385 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,880 stability concerns or some fatigue resistance, like that's 386 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,080 where I do notice that the Cloud Boom E3 can kind of fight you a 387 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,720 little bit. It almost reminds me of, like 388 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,560 the Audios Pro 2, where it was like really, really fun until it 389 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,000 wasn't. And so that's why that's like a 390 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,840 5K10K option for me. If I could hold it down for a 391 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,160 marathon, that could easily be on that list too. 392 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,680 But I just don't quite feel comfortable putting that shoe on 393 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,280 for a marathon yet. Next percent 3 applies all the 394 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,360 same things, a little bit more of a comfortable fitting upper. 395 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,720 I will say I think it's a little bit less responsive if you're 396 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,080 like really pushing into the ground than the cloud Boom E3. 397 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080 But we're we're twisting hairs. I mean they're both really good 398 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,800 at racing shoes. Traction's a little bit better 399 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,360 on the Vapor Fly. There's I, I the traction's not 400 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,240 bad on the cloud Boom E3 it actually those little knobs do 401 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,480 pretty well and I have I think 70 to 80 miles on this one. 402 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:16,920 So I think that 100 mile prognosis is is pretty accurate 403 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,000 because I'm starting to wear through the heel here, I'm 404 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 biting into the foam a little bit more and that forefoot 405 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,240 starting to get a little bit slippery and I don't really beat 406 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,920 up shoes. So I feel like that 100 mile for 407 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,680 most people is probably going to be pretty accurate. 408 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,880 But yeah, they're both just really solid options, both 409 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080 light, both responsive and they both can get it done if you're 410 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,600 putting it to the pavement. Neither of them corner that 411 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,280 great so like if you're taking sharp corners or you got a lot 412 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,080 of U turns. That's why I had that caveat 413 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,240 with the Takumi Sen because if you're having to do a lot of 414 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,960 cornering, the cloud boom echo especially. 415 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,560 I do not corner very well in that shoe Vapor Fly I'm a little 416 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,000 better at cornering in but it still isn't that great. 417 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,560 So I would say if you're yeah technical courses Takumi Sen 92 418 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,440 way type, Pick your poison for the cloud, Boom E3 or Vapor Fly. 419 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,200 If it's not a technical course, can't go wrong with either. 420 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,200 So I'd say when it kind of semi do what David did a little bit 421 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,080 where for some of the shorter efforts I did the Vaporfly 3 for 422 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,680 sure was a shoe that I I grabbed. 423 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,760 So I did a two mile race against my students from West Coast and 424 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,840 I told and I let them do so it was 2 miles for me. 425 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,160 It was 1/2 mile for a a relay team that was racing me and I 426 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,480 managed to hold them off and I was freaking out about shooting 427 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,720 what I was going to choose and I did choose the Nike Vaporfly 428 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,120 three. However the caveat to this and 429 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:44,800 why I'm going to split this is this shoe like beyond like a 430 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,840 mile and a half. Two miles is just not stable 431 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,360 enough for me. Like I need a lot better more 432 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,320 stability in the heel and with how narrow this thing is the 433 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,480 fatigue hit me like I used it for a 5K recently. 434 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,680 You could see I was doing fine through about a mile and then my 435 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,960 mechanics just I like was it was not stable enough for me. 436 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,960 So for shorter stuff 5K to half, I think it'd be a great option 437 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,040 for a lot of people. I would not personally. 438 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,880 I know Andrew and David, you guys like it. 439 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,560 For marathon stuff, I would never use it. 440 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,560 But for like shorter stuff, it is fast stuff about stuff that I 441 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,120 think it does really, really well. 442 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,800 The only challenge is if I want something a little close to the 443 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,920 ground, that's where it kind of misses that. 444 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,800 And so I was going between the Takumi San 9 and something else, 445 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,760 The Takumi San 9 is great. It's one of the lighter of these 446 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,440 shoes on the market, but a shoe that I've continued to grab even 447 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,640 though it's super low drop and I feel like it's always not going 448 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,680 to work for me, has actually been the Hocus Celia Rd. 449 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,960 It's something that I've actually really, really, really 450 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,880 enjoyed. Where not plated by the way, but 451 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,440 still really stiff with this firmer super foam. 452 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280 It feels lighter than the listed weight and I've measured it. 453 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,160 I'm like this doesn't feel like I think it's like listed at like 454 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,720 7.8 ounces .7. I'm like that doesn't feel 455 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,880 right. But tell me if I'm wrong on 456 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,120 that. Maybe I David, I feel. 457 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:00,760 Like I changed their sample size I think. 458 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,160 The size, so size 10. That makes sense. 459 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,000 Got it. So the actual. 460 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,200 I think that might be what it is. 461 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,040 Low 7, but it's just been a really fun, snappy shoe. 462 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,840 The only the only thing is it just feels like it fits a teeny 463 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,720 bit long, but that might because the toe box is surprisingly 464 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,040 wide. But yeah, I really enjoyed this 465 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,880 as a shorter distance shoe, and I'm kicking myself for never 466 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,280 having the guts to actually use it in one of the five KS just 467 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,480 because it's a good shoe. I always freak out, go, Oh my 468 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,200 gosh, there's a high schooler here and then, you know, grab 469 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,280 Vapor Fly or something like that. 470 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,760 But yeah, it's a really great shoe. 471 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,280 I think Hoka has done a really good job of bringing some faster 472 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,640 stuff to market. And like, I'm going to say 473 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,760 again, I'm excited to see where they go with the lessons they've 474 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,200 learned from the shoes, because this is a really great option. 475 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaking of high school, just want to give a shout out. 476 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,800 Santa Barbara High School won state in California for Division 477 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,040 Two this year. So wow, nice shot. 478 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,520 That's that's pretty good. Yeah. 479 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,200 It's like I didn't realize they were that good, so I feel like 480 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,920 that's great, but. So we are gonna fast track a 481 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,800 little bit because I think we just did multiple shoes there. 482 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,800 So let's talk about our last category which is trail shoe of 483 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,480 the year. So do you two mind if I go first 484 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,760 on this one. So I I'm gonna pull David again 485 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,600 where I'm kind of between two things where one of the shoes 486 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080 that I've really, really enjoyed, this is not a 2022 487 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,760 shoot, this is not a 2322. Two is the endorphin Edge has 488 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,440 been kind of a go to shoot for me. 489 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,080 There's also been some stuff that I've tested this year 490 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,240 that's coming out, might come out later in 2024 that I've been 491 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,440 like wow, this is really amazing. 492 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,800 But a shoe that I kept grabbing repeatedly was the Saucony 493 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,640 Peregrine 13, which to be honest with you, I've actually never 494 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000 liked a Peregrine. I've always, I kind of hated 495 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 them where they just felt too low drop didn't feel right. 496 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,360 For me. The Peregrine 13 felt fit just 497 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,960 right. I don't know what they're doing 498 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,320 but it rolled super nicely. This is a shoe that I was really 499 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,680 worried when I started running in because I broke my toe that I 500 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,640 wasn't going to be able to handle this and it was really 501 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,400 comfortable. If I can go great distance than 502 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,480 it is. So I was really impressed with 503 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,240 the Peregrine 13 has been a consistent shoe. 504 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080 I've continued to grab this stunt extremely well, but the 505 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,400 shoe it really tied with was the Nike. 506 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,160 Oh my gosh, why am I blanking on? 507 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,840 I thought I was just showed the year Dude, come on. 508 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,480 Yeah, it is. I mean, it's tight, my brains 509 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,440 not. Working so much, just forgot the 510 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,880 name. I'm just trolling you. 511 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,440 It's the ultra fly. You're good. 512 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000 I can't believe I just forgot the name of the shoe that I 513 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,560 really enjoyed, so I've got almost 100 miles on my pair of 514 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,560 like half Rd. stuff as well. Durability has been really good. 515 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,160 It doesn't feel like a treated like a racing shoe would to me. 516 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040 It feels like an ultra marathon shoe, which I think is how it's 517 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,720 designed. Would you just put it on and you 518 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,920 can? Call the Ultra Fly. 519 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,000 Yeah, ultra fly. Sorry, I'm a parent now. 520 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,320 I don't sleep at all. Like I'm also doing Peach give a 521 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,360 break. But the what I really loved 522 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,560 about this shoe and kind of why it borderline and I had to 523 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,000 actually. I think now I'm going to decide 524 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,320 I'm going to have to give this shoe the thing over the pair 525 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,400 good 13 the the toe box was really comfortable and wide 526 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,000 upper is super secure. There's a flexible heel counter 527 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,920 back here and the Zoomax doesn't feel like I hesitate to use 528 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,120 super foams for training shoes, training runs because I don't 529 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,840 like how stiff I feel afterwards. 530 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 But this never did that to me and it felt great on no matter 531 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,720 what surface I used it on. It had enough weight that made 532 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,920 it sturdy and didn't feel like I was cheating. 533 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,440 But also just to shoot I could hit long miles in. 534 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,480 So I'm actually going to have to finally decide because I'm 535 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,960 trying to decide with the Ultra Fly being my top trailer show of 536 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,800 the year and the Peregrine Three team being a very close second. 537 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240 Both really good jobs from both companies. 538 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Can't believe I forgot what the name the name of it was right as 539 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,040 I pull it. I'll I'll go next just because 540 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,520 my pick is the ultra fly. So. 541 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:58,600 Yeah, I think I don't ever really associate trail shoes as 542 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,640 being cozy and like comfortable. And they it is. 543 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,480 It's like the Zoom X is compliant, but it doesn't feel 544 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,880 so much so that the shoes unstable. 545 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,440 I think they did a good job of kind of keeping it like a wide 546 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,080 base. They had some like little 547 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,680 sidewalls built in. I don't know what the heck is on 548 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,360 the Zoom X outer casing there. It's kind of almost like 549 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,640 fabricy, right? Like. 550 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,320 Oh yeah, they've got that. Well, they created a film there 551 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000 to protect the Zoom X, which is really cool because you don't 552 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,080 want things puncturing into it. So there's there's some type of 553 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,760 film covering to protect that. Right, and the upper. 554 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,720 It does a good job of locking down without feeling restrictive 555 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,720 and it's still breathable and airy And like I don't hesitate 556 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760 at all like if I'm going on a trail run like and I and granted 557 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,080 I don't really run that many trails anymore being that I'm 558 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,000 kind of more road and track focused. 559 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,800 But when I am like if I know I'm going to be doing you know 10 560 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,200 plus miles on solid trail, I do take the ultrafly. 561 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,160 That's kind of what I grab. And so it's kind of one I keep 562 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,800 reaching for. And like you said, even though 563 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,600 it's a super foam and there's a plate and it's stiff, it doesn't 564 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,400 really feel that way afterwards either. 565 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320 Like, it feels like a training shoe in a way. 566 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Yeah, exactly like, so it's honestly just a really 567 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,560 comfortable shoe. Like, I kind of forget that I'm 568 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,560 even running on trails sometimes. 569 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Like it just it's nice. So that's my pick there, the 570 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,840 ultrafly. I'm going to keep us from all 571 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,760 agreeing on this category. I don't run a ton of trails 572 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,400 anymore either, but when I do like the trails in the Northeast 573 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200 are very technical. It's all roots and rocks. 574 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,400 Like there's no beautiful dirt trails. 575 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Like what David runs on like you need, you need a shoe that's 576 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520 going to give you traction and give you confidence. 577 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,560 So I was really impressed with this shoe. 578 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,320 So my choice is the Saucony Exodus Ultra Two. 579 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,160 In the past when I was running a lot of trails, the Peregrine was 580 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,440 actually my go to shoe. Loved it. 581 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,680 I felt like it was a trail. Kinvara and I did like this 582 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,720 year's Peregrine. But what I really like about 583 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,160 this one is little higher stack and I like the fit of this 584 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,600 better than the Peregrine. I feel like the Peregrine and 585 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,320 the Kinvara actually have gotten a little bit narrower and lower 586 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,400 volume in the forefoot which never works for me and and I am 587 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,240 also aware that most people think the opposite of the Exodus 588 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,240 ultra two than I do. I tested the version one and I 589 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600 felt like it was really loose in the mid foot and tight in the 590 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,840 toe box and it was just uncomfortable like it felt 591 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,160 unsecure and too tight. Version two they fixed it really 592 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,360 secure in the mid foot. It's got this like great mid 593 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,920 foot wrap the tongue. It feels almost kind of like 594 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,240 neoprene, the way it like hugs your foot. 595 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,680 It's not neoprene but whatever material they used it just it 596 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,720 really secures your foot, which is of course is super important 597 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,560 for a trail shoe. And it also feels like they gave 598 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,880 the four foot a little more volume and it's just it's so 599 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,680 comfortable. If I'm going to run trails, this 600 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,080 is the shoe, the midsole is PBON. 601 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,840 It's the power on PB. It doesn't feel like a super 602 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,200 foam, you know it's not. It doesn't feel like the 603 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,320 endorphin edge by any means, which that's another issue that 604 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,880 I really love running trails in. It's just it's cushioned, it's 605 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,640 responsive, It protects you from the ground, but you still feel 606 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520 the ground because of course you need to feel what you're landing 607 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,800 on so you don't sprain your ankle like I have many times. 608 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,080 So they just really knocked it out of the park with this one in 609 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,840 terms of fit ride cushioning. So Yep, if I'm running trails, 610 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360 this is the shoe I run in. That's awesome. 611 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,200 So for those listening, those are our top picks of 2023 and 612 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,040 there's. Runner UPS. 613 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,680 Oh, you want? To still want to do runner UPS, 614 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,600 I thought, we're going too long. We're like an hour and 20. 615 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,440 All right, fine, you're we're in it for the long run now. 616 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640 So we're going back to Marathon. This one, let's change it now 617 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,840 even. Fine. 618 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160 All right, all right, fine. What's your? 619 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,880 What's your? I already said my runner. 620 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,880 Up they want. Fine. 621 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,640 Come on, what's your runner up? Yeah, we're going to have like a 622 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640 two hour. Episode. 623 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000 It's the best of episode. We're fine, All right? 624 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,880 It'll be fine. What? 625 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,520 What is What Are Your Runner Up Trail Shoes of 2023? 626 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,480 Yeah, I'll keep it quick, don't worry. 627 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480 I'm actually really happy Andrea brought up the exit of Ultra as 628 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,200 her pick because that one would have just missed my runner up. 629 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,120 So that's my #3 for the year. I really like the exit of Ultra. 630 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120 It's got good traction. And then granted, this is the 631 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,080 first version with Run Shield, but if I'm running technical 632 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520 terrain and I know I'm going to get wet, like when I went to 633 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,320 Hawaii, that's what I took. So if I know I'm running through 634 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,840 technical stuff like the Exodus, Ultra is my pick there. 635 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,880 But this Stinson, I don't know a little bit of Stinson love all 636 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,440 terrain, that's going to be the runner up kind of by default. 637 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,800 It's like Ultrafly is like trail specific. 638 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,360 Stinson is like, well, and this was another one that almost made 639 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,320 my daily training list too. Like it's kind of like just 640 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,040 barely missing like winning. Oh, I won the stability 641 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,040 category. So for me, but yeah, a lot of 642 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560 love for the Stinson, but a lot of love for the Exodus Ultra 643 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,360 too, so that that also just missed as well. 644 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,280 Got it. I feel like we need a special 645 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,679 section where, like shoes that David takes into places they're 646 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,719 not supposed to or like categories they're not supposed 647 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,639 to be part of. Best of for David. 648 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,159 Just kidding. I'm sorry. 649 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,520 Yeah, I wasn't indoor. Like speed one down technical 650 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,199 mountain. Yeah. 651 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,239 Yeah. David's not smart. 652 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,679 Best Actually, this is not a joke. 653 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,040 We should do David's best Rd. shoes for trail. 654 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,000 I feel like that would be a great, like write up that we 655 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,679 should do. I feel like people would, 656 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,120 actually. Structure The new Nike 657 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,280 structure, So. Yes, actually for for like. 658 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,200 Trailer for this purpose, yeah. I'm serious. 659 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,160 I think you should do that write up. 660 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,400 I think that people would like that. 661 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,160 All right. Andrew, do you have a A runner 662 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,680 up? I would say for the 2023 The 663 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,000 Peregrine, what is it? The 13 was this year's version. 664 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,160 Yeah, that's my runner up. It's even though I said the toe 665 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,080 box is narrow, it wasn't uncomfortable for me and like if 666 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520 I was doing like a trail 5K I would use. 667 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,400 Well, if I was doing a trailer race I would use the endorphin 668 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,760 edge, but if I was doing a trailer race in a 2023 shoe, 669 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,520 than it would be the Peregrine. It's light, you're low to the 670 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,720 ground, you can feel the ground, It's got a little bit of flex. 671 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,200 It has really good grip, like it performs really well in mud. 672 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,640 I tested the St. version of that shoe as well, which just has 673 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,920 deeper lugs. Oh, it's great. 674 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,640 But I mean, there are so few situations where you actually 675 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,280 would need the St. version because the regular Peregrine 676 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,000 you can run through a mud puddle and like not slip in it. 677 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,120 So I'm yeah, I have done that me too many times. 678 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,240 But my Peregrines look like I've done that now. 679 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,240 'Cause we got them right around the time when. 680 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:13,520 It footed here, yeah. Yeah, that that was some sloppy 681 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,280 footing, yeah. It's a very underrated shoe. 682 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,440 I think. Like it's You can use it as your 683 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520 daily trainer if you're a trailer runner, but it's also a 684 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,000 great trailer racer as well. I would definitely agree and and 685 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,280 to follow up on that we got them in when Southern California got 686 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640 smashed by a bunch of water and rain. 687 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,720 So for me where I live in Monrovia the trails are pretty 688 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:39,480 steep and when they get wet it becomes this like a slop vest or 689 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,240 whatever you want to call like it's just can be very technical 690 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,400 and very difficult. They often, I'm going to say 691 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,160 this on the podcast, they close the trails. 692 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,960 But those of us who running around here know how to get 693 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,120 around the closures and we'll still go run on stuff, so. 694 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. 695 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,600 So yeah, so when you really want technical security, the 696 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,800 Peregrines actually done really, really well, which I was very 697 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,960 surprised with because they kind of assumed in the past it'd be 698 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,880 kind of more of like snow moderate. 699 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,040 So but for mud and stuff like that, it's been absolutely 700 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,640 awesome and did extremely well. I just wish I didn't have a 701 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,200 white upper, but you make it work. 702 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,800 The upper actually cleans super well. 703 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,400 I will admit that I like it, It drains really well. 704 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160 And then also like washes. I didn't like have to wash it, 705 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,400 but I scrubbed it with a toothbrush and sure it came off 706 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,160 right away. So off topic, best shoot, 707 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,640 easiest shoe to clean it. Easiest Toothbrush Cleaning shoe 708 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,320 of the year. Not with an active toothbrush. 709 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,760 So old toothbrush. Just just. 710 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,960 Clarifying that for people who are. 711 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,880 Grossed out, but I was concerned about that. 712 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,880 Any last thoughts? I would just echo that the 713 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,920 Peregrine is also a great snowshoe. 714 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,880 I've run in like 6 inches of snow on trails, no issues. 715 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,160 My friend and I were out there and people were like, how are 716 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,080 you guys running in this? I don't know. 717 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,880 It's the shoe, yeah. All right, so thank you everyone 718 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,400 for making it through an almost 90 minute podcast and episode 719 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,960 with us, which we just had a lot to say. 720 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,640 So this that those are our best of for 2023 for daily trainer, 721 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,520 stability, slash stable, neutral, performance, trainer 722 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,240 rate, marathon, long distance racer and 5K to half marathon 723 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,440 racer. Am I messing stuff up? 724 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,960 Already, no. You just looked at a lot of 725 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,960 things, so I think our time is just. 726 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,440 Boom, boom, boom, boom. That's fair. 727 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,520 We did like like 5 episodes in one with some extra stuff, so 728 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,200 bonus content as well. So we appreciate that and we 729 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,480 have to also submit there's this has been a really great year for 730 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,880 running shoes. There's been some really cool 731 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480 stuff that's coming out, mentioned some unique geometries 732 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,880 as have a la the Wave Rebellion Pro from Mizuno. 733 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,800 There's some super cool stuff that and some ideas around 734 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,440 stability. That's definitely changing. 735 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,960 Daily trainers and performance trainers are changing as we're 736 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,240 starting to see Super phones come into daily trainers, which 737 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:01,760 we haven't really seen at this at this volume before. 738 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,760 And so things are we're definitely seeing some cool 739 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,160 stuff coming out. What we're really excited for I 740 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,560 personally say is what's going to continue on in 2024. 741 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,080 We are just beginning to test 2024 stuff, as Andreas 742 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,240 mentioned, as you've probably seen us slowly starting to abuse 743 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,840 stuff out in terms of the reviews, but there's even more 744 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,400 cool stuff coming. So we hope you'll be able to 745 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,280 stick around with us, continue watching. 746 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,560 We'll still have a couple other episodes coming out this year 747 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,440 and some best stuff and some great conversations. 748 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,800 But from all that, we hope you enjoyed that best of for 2023 749 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,720 and hope you follow us on all the different social media 750 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,360 channels so you can follow us. That box does a phenomenal job 751 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,480 of emphasizing like I still amazed that LinkedIn has taken 752 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,360 off. That's like one of our more 753 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,680 popular areas where you get all people from the industry like 754 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,840 shout, like shouting out stuff. That's really cool. 755 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,080 But obviously we've got stuff like Instagram, Facebook, all 756 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,560 the classic areas. We're still on straw in the run 757 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560 club there. We're all over the place. 758 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,280 I think Fox still has the TikTok. 759 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,760 I do this every, every single time. 760 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,000 It's everywhere. So any place you want to follow 761 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,160 us, be it on Spotify, iTunes, you want to find this podcast or 762 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,720 on YouTube. You can also find a lot of our 763 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,480 reviews including the sub twos and various reviews. 764 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120 Please give us a check out. We've always got cool stuff 765 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,360 coming out and this and the next year is going to be no 766 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,000 different. We hope you have a safe and 767 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,320 happy holidays and appreciate you following along. 768 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,200 And that's a wrap that is all of their favorite shoes from this 769 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,280 year, both from the last episode in this episode, talking about 770 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,600 the shoes that came out this year that made a splash in our 771 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,960 individual running lives, as well as talking a little bit 772 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880 about what they may mean for different types of runners. 773 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960 As always, we love to try to create content that helps people 774 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560 find shoes that work best for them, knowing that there isn't a 775 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,520 true best shoe. There is just ones that work 776 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,880 best for certain individuals. So we hope you enjoyed all of 777 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,200 this content, and we look forward to continued 778 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,880 conversations in the future about the science of the stuff 779 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,720 that we put on our feet.