1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,960 Hey everyone, welcome to the Doctors Running podcast where 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,200 we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, talk about the 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,480 art and the science of the things we put on our feet. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,360 Today I am joined by Doctor Sloss and we are going to do one 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,600 of our comparison top five videos that we have done in the 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,280 past. We're adding a little twist, 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,520 which we've also done. So we're going to do our top 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,840 five daily trainers of the last two years. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,560 So 2023-2024, 2025, which we decided right before this to 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,560 actually include because we have some favorites there, but we 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,000 haven't told each other what our top picks are. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,200 And we're going to introduce each one starting from #5 and 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,400 ending with number 11 at a time. So we'll do a countdown, we'll 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,760 show it, see if there's any matching between these, and then 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,480 give both our takes on why we've chosen it, as well as takes 16 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:55,360 potentially on the other persons. 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,960 So, David, Are you ready for this? 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,720 I think so. I don't know. 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,240 I'm a little nervous. We'll see how this goes are. 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,840 You able to David just finished watching the Super Bowl 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,760 halftime. So he's, he's recovering right 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,240 or like off the I don't know how. 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Yes, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm coming down off of the K dot I. 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Yes, yes, that is that is currently happening as we are 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,400 discussing this. Sweet. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,120 All right, So question for you, what are you trading in right 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,760 now before we dive into this or should we like? 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,840 Can we training in right now? Yeah. 29 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:26,160 What shoes are you running in right now? 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,840 Oh man, classic me. I mean, one of the shoes I can't 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,200 talk about at all. Of course I I signed something 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:38,200 on that just finished that. So I just did a run in the cloud 33 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,360 surfer two. Would like to get some runs in 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,480 the Cloud Surfer next from on and get a comparison video out 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,080 for everyone. That's kind of the main focus 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,720 for right now. I might try and get in some 37 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,080 trails over the next couple of weeks as well. 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:02:00,200 Use the meta Metafuji meta yeah, from ASICS and then the Merrill 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Nova 4 upper. That shoe fits really nice. 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,080 It's very cozy. I don't know if like the 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,440 materials are going to stack up quite as well with some of the 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,880 other shoes, but as like a general walking, hiking and 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,800 light trail running shoe or just just generic easy day paces that 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,080 might be really nice. So I'm I'm probably going to 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,520 sprinkle in a little bit of trails here in the next few 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,400 weeks, which is actually kind of different for me because I 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,520 haven't really been doing that recently, even though we're even 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,840 though I'm notorious for taking shoes in terrain that it 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,320 shouldn't be in. I haven't been doing that as 50 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,760 much as of lately, but now I will be taking shoes that are 51 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,120 meant for that terrain in that terrain. 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,600 So that'll probably be the next few weeks for me after once I'm 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,120 done with the surfer next. Sweep, I'm kind of a similar 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,440 boat where I just finally found some really great trails here, 55 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,200 not not specifically in Sherwood, but just S in Newark, 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Newburgh. And somebody's going to correct 57 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,800 me if this is these trails are actually in Sherwood or Newburgh 58 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,040 that I've been able to get there a little steep, but still 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,400 getting Isabella out there in the stroller and grinding. 60 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,840 I've done the I've done the beta Fuji trail from ASICS, which is 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,760 pretty solid little firmer that I might like and in finally 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:16,000 getting some miles on the gosh, why am I blanking the Hoka 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,560 tectonics 3 which I just haven't had great trails until I found 64 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,280 these. So I've been getting some miles 65 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,840 on those definitely on trails, but Rd. wise I'm pleasantly 66 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,800 supply prize. I can't talk tonight. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,920 Pleasantly surprised by the Puma forever 1/2. 68 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,360 I was not super happy. I was excited that it was being 69 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,560 debuted, but I wasn't super happy with version one. 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,160 Version 2 is so much better and it's actually pretty bouncy 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,440 despite a weight gain. So that's been really good. 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,560 I've also got the on cloud surfer 2 and next the next. 73 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,280 I haven't run in, but I've walked quite a bit in the cloud 74 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,240 surfer 2 is going to be interesting. 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,040 They made some changes there that have firmed it up compared 76 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,560 to the really like surprisingly soft, right, alas, 1. 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,120 So I'm really curious to get more miles on those and go, Hey, 78 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,040 you know, is this good? Is it's not, but it's a it's a 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,000 still a solid shoe and I think ONS balancing some some stuff 80 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,360 out while getting some stuff softer when it was firmer. 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,160 So variety of things that we're testing, those are are solid 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,760 shoes for me. The ones that I mentioned are 83 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,920 not going to make the cut tonight, at least not yet. 84 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,320 We'll see at the forever run 2 can continue to progress, but 85 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,600 let's jump in this. So again, to help people 86 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,800 understand what we're doing, top five daily trainers from the 87 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,480 last two ish years to 2023 to 2025, we are going to say them 88 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,760 one at a time, starting at #5. We're going to do a countdown 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,840 and then we'll talk about what we're doing and what why we we 90 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:43,520 picked this one, why it's place is there and then talk about the 91 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,640 other person's stuff if time allows. 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,640 So, David, Are you ready for #5? I am ready. 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:58,200 All right, so 321. I've been to it. 94 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:01,640 Classic David. We're supposed to pick one, but 95 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,920 alright, David, go first. Alright, yes. 96 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,280 OK, I'm gonna get you. Pick one that you. 97 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,640 You have to pick one at the top, one between the two. 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,800 No, no, no, no. This is we, we. 99 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,920 Talked about this briefly. This is kind of like my 2025 100 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,000 watch list kind of here. So this is I the right 18. 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,240 I got my miles on, I got the review out. 102 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,600 Everything's done on that. I think they cleaned up the 103 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,160 upper, the fit. I think they kind of dialed in 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,200 that integration with the power run plus midsole outsole's good 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,920 enough for most situations. It's a durable workhorse with 106 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,800 good transitions. It's just light enough to where 107 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,200 it doesn't feel super heavy on foot for how you know durable 108 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,160 this thing is. And I think there's enough 109 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,760 balance on this where it's like you can kind of pick up the pace 110 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,640 when you want to. So this is kind of on that watch 111 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,760 list where it's like this could this could maybe be a shoe of 112 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,480 the year, but it's so early where it's like I just don't 113 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,800 know yet, right? Like I feel like this is but on 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,800 the same category. Cloud Surfer 2. 115 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,560 Now, again, I don't have all of my miles on it, but I think some 116 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,000 of the stuff that I had beef with on the first model they 117 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,000 cleaned up like pretty well. And So what they did was they 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,680 they streamlined that upper a little bit. 119 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,400 They made that tongue slightly different, little bit more 120 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,400 traditional lacing system, a little bit more, a little bit 121 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,360 more of a robust upper honestly. And then they fine-tuned that 122 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,400 cloud tech phase here a little bit. 123 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,160 It feels a little bit firmer. I think some of that is also the 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,800 outsole is thicker and a little bit more grippy, but with that 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,320 upper integration where it's it just locks that foot down better 126 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,480 than it did in the first version. 127 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,920 For me, it feels a little bit less unstable. 128 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,200 That rocker. I can notice a little bit more 129 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,360 now because of that. I don't feel like I'm dancing 130 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,680 around on the platform as much and the upper just holds it down 131 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,800 well and it has decent volume up front. 132 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,960 It just it feels a tiny bit snug up on the door some there where 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,080 the laces are, but that's only because of the way the tongue. 134 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,160 It's a little bit thicker than the previous version, but it 135 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,200 also just like it holds its structure better. 136 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Like it literally just holds you on to it and it's padded well. 137 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,600 It's not like the laces are biting into my foot like it just 138 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,240 it just feels a little bit more snug than the previous version 139 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,480 in that area. But those small changes I think 140 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,520 have paid dividends in the ride for me. 141 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,360 But only time will tell, right? Like I don't have full mileage 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,400 on these yet. I don't have a full review out 143 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,800 on them yet. So this is kind of a wild card 144 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,280 that I'm just placing there. But I did like the cloud surfer 145 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,760 one. Those small caveats were like, I 146 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,320 don't know if this shoe will do it for me, but those small 147 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,320 caveats are now being fixed, so we'll see. 148 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 I added more miles on them. Obviously, I got to run in the 149 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Cloud Surfer next. I feel like the Cloud Surfer 150 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,200 next. I haven't run in it yet. 151 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,160 So for the listeners, like for that one, that is still 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,120 something I need to run in. And that one I feel like kind of 153 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,560 fits my normal checkmarks that I look for just a little bit more 154 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,640 streamlined, a little less pronounced on the rocker, a 155 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,320 little bit more springy as far as what its goals are, at least 156 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,520 for the midsole, little stiffer profile all around. 157 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,120 So I think we'll find out as time goes on. 158 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160 But my initial impressions on the Cloud Surfer too, I'm 159 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,720 actually very impressed. I think it's been a really nice 160 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,200 ride for me. And I like that it's slightly 161 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,080 firmed up. I mean, you know, I kind of like 162 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,360 shoes that are a little bit more on the firm side. 163 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Doesn't have to be rock hard, but you know, just a little bit. 164 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:34,280 So question for you, why are these 1/2 not rated higher for 165 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,720 you? I mean, you can't say what the 166 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:36,960 other stuff is, Yeah, but is there any? 167 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,000 Reason why they mean. Like why are they not? 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,720 5. Like why are they, yeah, why are 169 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,080 they ranked #5? I was like, hold up. 170 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,880 I didn't pick them as one and two that that would be very 171 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,080 premature for me to say Cloud Surfer is. 172 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,760 Why? Why are they #5 and like not 173 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,440 number one for example? I don't know if you could say 174 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,880 anything on that, but without? Giving no, I mean, some of it is 175 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,720 just data points. You know, I don't have 100 miles 176 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,720 on these shoes, right? I think one of the beauty of 177 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,760 having shoes for a long period of time is that you can actually 178 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,200 wear them as they're intended to be used and you can take them 179 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,520 through at least a relatively normal life. 180 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,360 You know, sometimes we don't get shoes all the way up to 2 or 300 181 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,760 miles. We just don't because we have 182 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,200 other shoes to review. But if I think pretty much every 183 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,040 shoe that I have listed beyond this point has at least 100, if 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,200 not 2, which is a lot for me, you know, to get on a single 185 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,720 pair of shoes with how many we get. 186 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,840 So part of its data points. I think time will tell. 187 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,320 I actually do really like the ride. 188 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,960 I, I, I think the ride is kind of a wild horse here, wild card 189 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,040 and same with the cloud server. We'll see. 190 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,360 I think they they buy like them both for similar ask reasons. 191 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,640 So yeah, that's that makes total sense. 192 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,560 So the reason I'm choosing the Brooks Glycerin Max is because 193 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:58,920 it's kind of one of my favorite Brooks shoes in quite some time. 194 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,520 The lower drop is really nice. The Max right, that actually 195 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,320 feels as its name feels really cushion, not overly firm, but 196 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,000 also not mushy either. It is the definition of a stable 197 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,960 neutral shoe. It's finally got a really a 198 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,440 solid heel bevel. The fit is the only thing that 199 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,320 was a little troublesome for me where it's like 1/2 size short. 200 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,480 It was good enough that I can, I've got over 100 miles in this, 201 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,800 so it's good enough for me to continue running and bruising my 202 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,000 toe That fit. The reason it's #5 and not 203 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,080 higher is again, that fit is just a little shorter than it 204 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,880 might need to be. And I think a lot of people 205 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,160 might consider 1/2 size up. Other people that aren't between 206 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,920 sizes are going to be totally fine with true to size. 207 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,880 But it it ran much lighter than it's listed weight, supposed to 208 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,360 be a heavy chunkier shoe. And actually I really felt like 209 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,720 I could roll, not do a workout, but at least to up tempo stuff. 210 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,960 Long runs were phenomenal in this shoe. 211 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,280 And durability. This is my left shoe. 212 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,920 There is barely any mark at all after 100 miles. 213 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,240 So durability, major points. So I've really enjoyed this 214 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,000 Brooks did a great job. I was pretty and and I some of 215 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,480 the biomechanists have made fun of me for this. 216 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,360 Pretty disappointed in the ghost Max too, where I think there was 217 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,160 a lot of potential there. The Glycerin Max really made-up 218 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,320 for that and is a phenomenal shoe that makes me really 219 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,200 excited to see what Brooks is going to do in the a little bit. 220 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,280 But that is my #5. Are we ready for number 4? 221 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,840 #4 I'm like half deciding it right now but. 222 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:26,640 I know, me too. Go. 223 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:33,360 With it, OK, I'm ready. I'm gonna Dang it. 224 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Shoot, man, I might. I might. 225 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,000 I might flip flop. I'm not. 226 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,360 I'm gonna flip flop. I'm gonna go. 227 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:39,760 I'm gonna switch. Yeah. 228 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,000 This is like neck and neck with #3. 229 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Yeah. All right, I'm doing it. 230 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,640 I'm I'm committing are. We doing it already? 231 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,400 Yeah, let's do it 3. 21 Hey, I knew it. 232 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,960 I knew this Yeah, I knew you were going to choose that. 233 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,120 I was about ready to ask so for. #4. 234 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,400 Yeah, so for those who can't see this, I should have mentioned. 235 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,000 So I'm holding up the A6 Nimbus 27. 236 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,400 David is holding up the on cloud Monster hyper. 237 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Do you want to get right? I was going to ask him, why did 238 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,680 you choose the Cloud Surfer 2 and not the Cloud Monster and 239 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,760 then Hyper And I'm like, it's probably coming up here, so I 240 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,120 won't ask that. So David, go first on why you're 241 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,560 choosing that for number 4. And if you want to give it, why 242 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:28,680 not higher go into that as well. Yeah, I'll, I'll start off with 243 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,400 the why not higher. I think the fit, the volume's a 244 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,440 little bit low the the width here. 245 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Sometimes you can feel that material kind of squeezing in on 246 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 the toes a tiny bit that you can just feel it. 247 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,640 The tongue's a little bit shallow. 248 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,840 I feel like the fit was really the only thing there ride wise. 249 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,800 I really liked the shoe. Obviously I talked a lot about 250 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,440 this shoe last year. You have the Helion HF foam that 251 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,360 is kind of the main base of midsole there and that is the 252 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,000 the, you know, the Super shoe foam that they have in there. 253 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,520 So very compliant, a lot of cushion. 254 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,920 It's got a good balance to it, but it comes off a little bit 255 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,480 firmer than you would expect. And the reason why that is is 256 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,200 because they have a layer of cloud tech that kind of 257 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,480 traditional midsole that they use for for the on models. 258 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,760 And it wraps around the posterior lateral heel and it 259 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,040 comes down the medial side of the foot and into the midfoot 260 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,440 and forefoot there. And then it even kind of spoons 261 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,280 out into the toes a little bit. Where I'm going with this is 262 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,400 that there there's some kind of stability mechanisms in place. 263 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,840 It's not a stability shoe by any means, but it's it's a neutral 264 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,280 shoe that has just some slight guidance and some a little bit 265 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,120 of aspects to like firm it up a little bit and make it a little 266 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,200 bit less unstable of a platform. Would you call it stable 267 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,560 neutral? For me, I think it would be, I 268 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:55,280 think it depends on the person and how much they truly need. 269 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,640 But if you're someone that just needs a little bit and it's just 270 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,240 a little bit more than the traditional noodle neutral shoe, 271 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560 like it'll do that. And I think that's especially 272 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:06,960 last year, I kind of joked I was in my stability era. 273 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 I I just felt like for whatever reason, I needed just a little 274 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,320 bit, but I didn't need a full on stability shoe, right? 275 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,360 In most situations that this shoe kind of came in clutch. 276 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,840 Now, the other reason why it's not higher is it weighs a little 277 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,960 bit more, right? Like there's a lot going on on 278 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,920 this shoe. It's a high stack shoe. 279 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,720 It's I mean, yes, it's a nice plush rockered ride with a 280 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,320 little bit of a balance and some guidance. 281 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,840 But I mean, it's like what 1011 oz something like that. 282 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,080 It might be a little bit lighter. 283 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,760 It might be like high nines, I can't remember. 284 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,000 I think it's mid to high nines if I remember correctly. 285 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,520 Yeah, yeah. But but there's a lot going on. 286 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,960 Like there's certainly shoes lighter out there. 287 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,920 And so it's one of those things where I just like, I couldn't 288 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,040 really feel like the versatility of the shoe didn't quite 289 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,160 translate to what I like in my shoes sometimes. 290 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,120 So this is literally just a workhorse. 291 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,200 This is like, I'm going to go out, I'm going to hit my daily 292 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,000 miles, I'm going to hit my easy long run in this shoe. 293 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,120 But if you ask me to pick the pace up, I'm probably going to 294 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,240 choose something. Else, I'm glad you, I'm glad you 295 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,320 said that because I also struggled to get that shoe to go 296 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,520 up tempo or even do work on stuff, which people love that 297 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,960 and they swear by that shoe. I I kind of struggled with with 298 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 that. It's a nice shoe for sure, but. 299 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,800 Yeah, it just felt like a little much for those types of efforts. 300 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,360 And so like, it just didn't have quite the versatility I was 301 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,480 hoping for. But that doesn't mean I didn't 302 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,240 like the shoe. Obviously, it's making this 303 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,080 list. And so for me to just beat the 304 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,080 crap out of this shoe and run daily miles, that's what this is 305 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,400 very good for. Sweet. 306 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,240 So for me the Nimbus 27 was a big surprise to be on this list. 307 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,680 I have 100 miles on it. I've got there's 100 mile review 308 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,240 of this out. I was very surprised because the 309 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,840 pre and David, I think you just said this on a podcast recently 310 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,760 that the previous nemesis kind of a little bit difficult 311 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,240 because they were so soft. And so for people that like 312 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,640 that, awesome. But I think for some of us, it's 313 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,800 like, yeah, this is not going to be my top shoe for the shoes 314 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,800 that I'm going to take and get a ton of miles on, you know, maybe 315 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,960 better walking shoe for a lot of people, the Nimbus 27, I think 316 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,160 it's going to disappoint people that didn't like those Nemesis, 317 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,280 but very much grab people that didn't like them. 318 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,800 So for me, it's a great workhorse. 319 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,240 It's stable, neutral, although not overly so. 320 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,120 It's just like mild enough for someone like me that could do 321 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,480 long run this in the shoe. The heel bevel is so much 322 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,480 better. It's posterolateral and it's not 323 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,520 firm. It's a slightly snappy ride that 324 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,040 feels lighter than its listed weight. 325 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,960 But my the reason it's not higher is that yes, it's a great 326 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,720 shoe. It's a great shoe for eating up 327 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,320 miles, great shoe for long runs, but it just doesn't have the 328 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,080 versatility of of shoes that I like. 329 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,560 I typically like lighter weight trainers. 330 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,000 It doesn't feel like it's listed weight, but it's still not quite 331 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,600 that shoe that I would use for workouts or things like that. 332 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,240 It's a premium shoe. It's a premium daily trainer. 333 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,400 It's not a lightweight trainer, but it is phenomenal for getting 334 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,480 miles on if you need something that's not mushy, still very 335 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,800 cushioned like. And yeah, the the other thing by 336 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,120 the way, upper is mostly good. It's just for whatever reason, 337 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,960 this toe guard, there is volume to this upper. 338 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,880 It just makes that very top of the toe box feel really low 339 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,839 volume and there's a lot of pressure on the top of the toes 340 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,599 on the run. I don't notice that as much at 341 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:16,319 least as things move on. But the early when I'm walking 342 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,200 or like those the early parts of the run, I do notice that. 343 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,720 So that that and the fact that it I would like something 344 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,400 lighter, which is is not the purpose of the shoe is why it is 345 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,560 number 4. But it's still a great option 346 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:29,720 and in my opinion, the best Nimbus that I have tried in a 347 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,600 long time, but because it kind of is running like a not 348 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,920 traditional Nimbus. So there we have it. 349 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,240 Are we ready to move on to #3? We can move on to #3 sure, let's 350 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,360 do it. All right, 321. 351 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,760 Got him, I'm ahead of him with two again. 352 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,760 Oh wow, I will caveat. So I am holding up the ASICS GT 353 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,800 2013. What I am actually meaning to 354 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,200 hold up is the G 2012, which I like better and I will talk 355 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,800 about that. David is holding up the ASICS 356 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,040 Double Blast 5 and the Super Blast 2 and usual thing where he 357 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,920 violates the rules and does 2 at the same time. 358 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,760 So, David, let's have you go again first, just for 359 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,160 continuity's sake. Yeah, no, I think for this one, 360 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,560 it's really an either or. I think they're both really good 361 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,600 shoes. They're both really versatile, 362 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,520 they're both durable. They it's really just what 363 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,840 you're looking for out of the shoe geometrically speaking. 364 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,640 And like for the most part, the experience is actually decently 365 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,080 similar between the two models. It's really just whether or not 366 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,320 you want Blast Plus or Turbo Plus, right, Like, and that does 367 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,600 change things. It's higher up I I think the 368 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,600 rides are somewhat similar I. Don't think the rides are 369 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,280 similar at all, but let's talk about this. 370 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Let's go. This is this is the whole point 371 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,360 of this. Keep going. 372 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,200 Sorry. But obviously one comes in at 373 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,200 1:40, so that's going to be a massive swing for most people. 374 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,920 The Super Blast 2's 200. 200 bucks, yeah. 375 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,240 I personally gravitate more towards the Super Blast Two. 376 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,600 We talked about this in the last podcast episode, but I can see 377 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,040 someone making a decision in either direction and having it 378 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,600 be totally valid in both situations. 379 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,280 And I think they're both decently durable. 380 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,840 It's a super blast 2, less durable than the first one, 381 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,160 probably a little bit. It's still pretty durable 382 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,920 though, when we look at it. So Blast plus it has a decent 383 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,360 amount of compliancy, good amount of cushioning. 384 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,000 It's still is just a tiny bit firm. 385 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,400 It's kind of like that stable neutral. 386 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,840 I feel like for the Nova Blast has kind of been for a while, 387 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,640 you have a lot of soul flaring going on in the shoe, kind of a 388 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,000 balanced rocker. What's that? 389 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,200 I would say that that the Nova Blast 5 is probably the best 390 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,000 stable neutral. I feel like the first two were 391 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,960 not stable at all. Yeah, yeah. 392 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,400 Four and five, I feel like really turned that around. 393 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,840 Yeah, even three, yeah was not the the greatest for that, 394 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,160 although it was turning around 4 was kind of clunky, just that 395 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,600 like it slapped and then 5 is way smoother. 396 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,520 But yeah. Yeah, the sidewalls do a better 397 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,080 job for a lot of people. Not I wouldn't say it's for me 398 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,040 personally, not full stable, neutral, but it's definitely a 399 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,840 lot better than the previous versions. 400 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,360 But yeah. Yeah, a little bit more plush 401 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,600 upper too, softer materials, kind of a nice daily trainer, 402 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,880 but it's light and versatile. So it's like if you want this to 403 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,960 be kind of an everything shoe and you're kind of more on the 404 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,120 recreational side and you're like, hey, I want to train in 405 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,680 the shoe I run my marathon in. Like the Nova Blast can do that, 406 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,600 so that is why that is as high as it is on this list. 407 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,640 For all of those same reasons. the Super Blast 2 is also on 408 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,960 that list, but with a slight caveat on this, and it kind of 409 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,520 leans more towards the versatility of the shoe. 410 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,280 I do think geometrically they have the tall side walls. 411 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,760 It's kind of a balanced rocker profile for the most part. 412 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,640 I do feel like the transitions are somewhat similar. 413 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,840 It's the materials that are different and how you use those 414 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,080 materials might change your experience in the shoe and the 415 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,840 midsole is the turbo plus wait turbo plus right, not regular 416 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,000 turbo? Or the turbo? 417 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,280 No, it is turbo plus. Turbo Plus. 418 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,400 Yeah, yeah, Turbo Plus. Yeah, right there. 419 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,360 I was like looking for the marking. 420 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,480 I'm like, oh, Jesus. It's like you have to like, 421 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,200 really squint to look at it. Yeah, Turbo Plus and a blast 422 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Plus like thin little tiny layer on the very bottom. 423 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,760 But this is a more responsive foam. 424 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,160 When you load it, it will respond more. 425 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,760 And for how much foam is on this, it's what 45mm of stack? 426 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,440 Yeah, I think it's 4537. We should check that. 427 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,920 Yeah, yes, we should. Super Bowl halftime show kind of 428 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,880 took away my my homework time for the pod, I'm not going to 429 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,560 lie. Yep, 4537, you're right. 430 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,800 And anyways, a little bit more compliant under load, it's more 431 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,800 resilient. So when you like when you slam 432 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,880 into that thing, it's going to bounce back with a little bit 433 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,000 more umph. It's in that 8 oz range. 434 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,680 You know, for how much foam there is, this is pretty light 435 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,120 shoe. This is more foam than most 436 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,280 super shoes. Technically not race legal. 437 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,200 I I mean no one cares if you're a normal person racing. 438 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,960 Yeah, no ones good. I think it's a great alternative 439 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,200 honestly to a lot of racing shoes out like super shoes 440 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,840 totally yeah, many of the recreational runner and people 441 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:20,960 that just find the what am I saying that find a lot of super 442 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,520 shoes too aggressive for them. This is a way better option 443 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,240 That's still incredibly light, although the first version was 444 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600 lighter, incredibly light for its stack height and resiliency, 445 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,160 but also stable neutral while still being able to move pretty 446 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,480 quick, which is great. So. 447 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,080 Yeah. And so like kind of like what 448 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,640 you said, stable neutral of being able to move pretty quick, 449 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,920 That is kind of the reason why I put both of these on there, 450 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,840 right? Like I feel like they both kind 451 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,520 of checked those boxes. Is this a little bit this being 452 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,160 the Super Blast 2 for the listeners? 453 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,200 Is this a little bit more resilient? 454 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,480 Is this a little bit more responsive? 455 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,360 Can this do a little bit more? Sure. 456 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,960 Is it worth, you know, 60 extra bucks maybe, depending on who 457 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,640 the person is. It just depends on what your 458 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,240 goals are and what you want out of the shoe. 459 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,880 But I think the general theme is relatively consistent there. 460 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,840 They feel like a natural progression of each other. 461 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,720 And so that's that's the reason why I brought them up together. 462 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,680 You know, I try not to break the rules too much on these 463 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,400 episodes, but they seem similar enough to me where I can group 464 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,760 them together. And so it really just depends on 465 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,600 the goals of the individual. But I think because of the 466 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000 versatility, like they get that number three nod. 467 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840 And it's kind of funny because like, neither of these shoes got 468 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,600 a number one award from me in 2024, which feels silly for them 469 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,520 to be collectively #3 for the last two years. 470 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,440 They're just like, they're like the honorable mention kings, you 471 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,080 know what I mean? Like there's just like something 472 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,880 that just slightly edges it out for whatever category it is. 473 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,720 But it's Jack of all trades. It can do a little bit of 474 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,000 everything. So like I think for the 475 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,240 performance trainer, like the endorphin speed 4 edge to this 476 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,200 one out, but as far as like hitting daily miles, like I 477 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,480 would probably choose this one right? 478 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,640 Like so it just kind of I don't know, sometimes things get a 479 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,320 little bit lost in the categories. 480 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,800 Maybe that's up for us later on to tease out a little more. 481 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,520 But I just think it's, it's kind of funny for me to have both 482 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,080 these shoes at #3 for the last two years, but none of them got 483 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,440 a number one award in their respective year. 484 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000 But. All right, so I brought up the 485 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,320 A6 GT 2013, but I really meant the GT 2012. 486 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,960 I found the 13 to be firmer. It's still a great shoe. 487 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,720 It's one of the lightest stability shoes out there. 488 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,160 I just like 12 better because it was a little bit softer and a 489 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,480 little bit more forgiving. I still got 100 miles on this, 490 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,440 but I did enjoy my miles in the 12 better than the 13. 491 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,760 I think for those with a little bit slight lower volume feet 492 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,080 wanting just something a little bit firmer, 13 is going to be 493 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,880 better. But if you wanted that like, you 494 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,960 know, decently plush ride that was still on the lighter side, 495 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,000 that for me worked really well for both workouts as well as 496 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,560 doing easy runs, long runs. And it was just stable enough 497 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 and it wasn't too aggressive. Like it's a good stability shoe 498 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,360 for sure, but I just felt like the the 12 did a really, really 499 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,720 good job and it was such a massive departure from the 500 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,000 previous versions, like a better bevel. 501 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,160 I'm starting to integrate that internal geometry, a better fit 502 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,120 that that was definitely a top one. 503 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,120 I would one of the reasons it's not listed a little bit higher 504 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,960 is a how do I say this? It's a great Stu shoe. 505 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 It's still a little bit more on that training side. 506 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,320 So the next ones are really going to get into the like I 507 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,760 want to if my perfect trainers, I want to be able to do 508 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,800 everything in them and that's kind of me. 509 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,080 That lightweight trainer, that shoe that I can take comfortably 510 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,200 for a workout and also do a long run and easy runs it that's what 511 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,680 I'm looking for. I'm looking for that versatile 512 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,160 thing because I like that do it all shoes. 513 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,880 So it doesn't it's on the lighter side. 514 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,200 I think for people wanting a stability shoe for like 515 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,720 marathons, I think it's an an excellent shoe, but I think 516 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,800 there are also some shoes that can go faster. 517 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,480 So that's where we'll go next. Man, I almost screwed up. 518 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,480 So I have to make some adjustments because I realized 519 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,560 we said 2023 and the shoe I was almost going to pick is in 2022. 520 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,440 So I just had to make some mild. Adjustments here. 521 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,720 Three years old. Oops. 522 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,760 OK, so I had to. I'll adjust this, but are we 523 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,600 ready for number 2? #2 I'm ready. 524 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,280 All right, so 321. Hey. 525 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,560 We. Just we just flip flop, yeah. 526 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,400 So I'm going to switch things. I'm going to go first this time. 527 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,920 I'm going to be curious here. This the reasoning. 528 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,640 But so I chose ASIC Superlast two. 529 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,120 I was actually going to choose the Superlast one for my best 530 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,280 one. Then I realized, Oh my gosh, 531 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,200 that's 2022. Like why did I see that? 532 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,360 So I like the Super blast has been a shoe I've been getting 533 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,000 miles on for years. I love version 1. 534 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,600 I had over 200 miles in the first version and it held up 535 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,200 really, really well. the Super Blast 2 is still holds a lot of 536 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,080 things. I just feel like it is a slight 537 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,720 step back from the original Super blast. 538 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800 I will say durability is still great. 539 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,600 It's still awesome. I'm just wearing through it a 540 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,360 little bit quicker. I really like this is stable 541 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,360 neutral. It's one of the lightest types 542 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:15,200 of shoes in this category out there or one of the lightest 543 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,920 shoes in this category out there. 544 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240 It is it's phenomenal it's great for workouts it's great for long 545 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,080 runs it can handle easy runs. The only reason it's not number 546 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,000 one is yeah, the slight loss of durability and the fact that tow 547 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,560 box just takes forever to break in. 548 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,480 I felt like version 1 was a little bit better. 549 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,720 This one is really tapered and just feel maybe I need a half 550 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,920 size up like the Ghost Max or not the Ghost Max the well, 551 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,000 yeah, Ghost Max 2 and Glyerson Max. 552 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,640 But and it's just a teeny bit clunkier in the rear foot. 553 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920 Like it's aggressive, like it almost feels like no Vas 4 kind 554 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,440 of snap, which which is great during workouts, sometimes a bit 555 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,400 much during easy runs. So yeah, it's still a top shoe 556 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,600 that I got. I've got like 160 miles on my 557 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,160 pair now, which is awesome. There's just some small things 558 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,800 that need to be ironed out for me to want to keep doing this 559 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,120 and for it to be #1 So hopefully Super Blast 3 will do that. 560 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,360 But it's still an awesome shoe and checks off a lot of the 561 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,120 boxes of shoe that I would want that kind of can do a little bit 562 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,040 of everything. David. 563 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,320 Nice. Yeah, so for me, if you are 564 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,920 listening, we flip-flopped. So I'm A6 GT 2013 here 12. 565 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,480 Wait 12131313 you're getting confused now. 566 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Sorry. Yeah. 567 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,160 I know I held up 13. I met I met version 12 because I 568 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,160 no longer have version 12. Yeah. 569 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,280 So I like 13 better. Again, I like shoes to be just a 570 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,560 little bit firmer. I think it's just a little bit 571 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,600 stable, a little bit more stable for me without being overly 572 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,840 stable. You know what I mean? 573 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Like it has the solo flaring. It doesn't have any formal 574 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520 posting, but it has that kind of 3D guidance system that they 575 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000 have integrated into it. It's light. 576 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,080 It's, you know, got decent grip. I can kind of do a little bit of 577 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,200 everything with it now. For me with my daily trainers, I 578 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 like having some versatility to it, but I don't really ever 579 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,640 workout in my daily trainers. I almost always pick out another 580 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440 shoe, so option to pick it up and do long runs, yes. 581 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,680 But as far as hitting formal workouts in them, I don't really 582 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,720 look at that quite as much When I look at my trainers that I'm 583 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,120 looking at for my personal, like this is my trainer. 584 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,080 So things like the Endorphin speed four and like she was like 585 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,880 that. Like it's not on this list. 586 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,520 I'm sorry, it's not my number one for today. 587 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,600 I'll just say it out there. It's a phenomenal shoe. 588 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,600 It's very versatile. All the things that we're 589 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,360 saying. It was my performance trainer of 590 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800 the year this last year. It's not on my trainer list 591 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,920 right now because when I'm thinking right now, I'm thinking 592 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,480 my daily mileage and those types of things with the option of a 593 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,680 little bit of upside. So I'm really looking at the 594 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200 comfort of my day-to-day, daily mileage and long runs. 595 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,160 So that's kind of where some of these pics are coming from, But 596 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,600 I feel like, I mean, I've taken the GT on shoot, I mean probably 597 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,560 2 or 320 mile runs at this point and it's been just fine for me. 598 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720 You know, it's been one of my favorite shoes from the second I 599 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,000 got it. I've barely made a dent, mate, 600 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,040 barely. I mean, like this thing is 601 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600 durable. Like, I can take this as long as 602 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,480 I really want to take it. I have maybe, I don't know for 603 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760 me, a lot. I don't 150 to 200. 604 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,160 I don't know exactly what I have on it. 605 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,760 I'd have to go grab my notebook. Yes, I have a notebook that I 606 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,080 track things manually on 'cause I am ancient in the tracking 607 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,920 world. I've got a lot of miles on it. 608 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,240 And that was my trainer of the year last year. 609 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,720 It's good. It's got a little bit of upside 610 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,520 with some picking up the pace. It's one of the lighter 611 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000 stability models out there in a year where I needed a little bit 612 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,640 of stability and a little bit of versatility. 613 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,200 So it was there for me when I needed it. 614 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,760 Sweet, all right, Drum roll begins for a #1. 615 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,120 I can almost guarantee the listeners that we're not going 616 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,160 to have the same. Shoe we are not going to have we 617 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,000 I could 100% guarantee you actually all. 618 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,920 Right. What are you, what are you going 619 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,440 to lift up? You're going to lift up like a 620 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,680 like a car. Who or something? 621 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,520 No, actually, I mean so. Shout out Carhoo. 622 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,080 That's kind of sad about Carhoo. OK, I love the. 623 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,520 Oconee so funny story on that. One of my favorite shoes is the 624 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,760 Bistari run and I saw they had version 1.5 and I'm like, oh 625 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Nathan, can I see a lot of the other carhoo stuff for some 626 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,960 reason like doesn't work as well for me, but like we have some 627 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,160 like underlying love for Karu for sure. 628 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280 So the Bistari. Runs out for Kony is great. 629 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880 I didn't like it as much. David loves you, Tony. 630 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,600 You're the. Only one on the team. 631 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,880 You're the only one that doesn't like this, you know. 632 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,800 But I love the Bastore run, so I make up for it. 633 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:46,640 All right. 321 Wow. OK, now we really see, I guess 634 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,840 keep telling Nathan we got to get the vomero 18. 635 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,800 So all right, David, go first. I want to hear. 636 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,960 This Yeah, Yeah. I mean, honestly, I was flip 637 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,520 flopping. I was trying to figure out where 638 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,680 I wanted to place this, and especially with how much I liked 639 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,720 the A6 GT 2000 this last year. Now, the Vomero kind of breaks 640 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520 some of the rules that I've been talking about where I kind of 641 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840 like firmer shoes. This is not that firm of a shoe. 642 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,000 It's firmed up a little bit just because of the Cuslan layer 643 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,400 here. It's a two layer midsole. 644 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,640 So you have the kind of basic Cuslan Eva on the underside here 645 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,920 and then this is all Zoom X on the top layer. 646 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,920 That Zoom X is quite soft and quite bouncy, but the underside 647 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,560 of it kind of firms it up a little bit, which makes us a 648 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,200 little bit more manageable. This is a shoe that doesn't have 649 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,720 a super dramatic rocker. I think I do time to I usually 650 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,280 for my daily miles. I like shoes that aren't super 651 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,480 dramatic on those profiles and the GT2000 fits that. 652 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,320 The Nova blast and super blast are a little bit more rockered, 653 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,720 but they they're still kind of more on the balance side. 654 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,320 It's not quite like a super banana rolling type shoe Cloud 655 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,800 Monster a tiny bit more, but still a little bit more balance. 656 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,320 The other ones ride, you know, not quite as crazy. 657 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,800 So you can kind of see the geometries that I kind of like. 658 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,840 Vomero fits that right. You have a bevel, you have some, 659 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,080 you know, some 4 foot rocker and toe spring, but it's not much, 660 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,720 right? Like this is a pretty balanced 661 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,200 shoe. It's a little bit more flexible 662 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,800 upfront too, which is kind of interesting because this is a 663 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,520 shoe that has a lot of cushioning. 664 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,240 This is a shoe that's Max stack for the most part for Nike at 665 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040 least, and it's very flexible upfront. 666 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,680 So when you go to bend it, boom, right? 667 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,680 Like, and so I, it's a weird kind of dichotomy where you get 668 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,400 a lot of cushion under foot, but you still kind of have a natural 669 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,560 feeling toe off and you get a lot of grip under foot to the 670 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,240 lug kind of pattern. I felt like I could take it in 671 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,640 most situations that I wanted to take it. 672 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,760 That was my daily trainer of the year for 2023 and it's a shoe 673 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320 where it has plenty of cushion for long runs. 674 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,680 I have 0 issue taking it on long runs. 675 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,240 Upper fits me pretty well. The only thing is the tongue. 676 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,520 I have to kind of adjust it sometimes. 677 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,800 Make sure the laces don't bite down super tight. 678 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,320 But for the most part it it almost always does really well 679 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,480 for me and it has just enough responsiveness with that zoom X 680 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360 and the traction under foot like where I can kind of take it and 681 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,440 do a little bit of up tempo and work it. 682 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,639 And so for it being kind of the premium trainer for Nike, it's 683 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,840 kind of funny because it it's a little bit more versatile than 684 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,719 it would let on because usually in the running shoe world, the 685 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,719 premium quote UN quote option is kind of the heavier, bulkier, 686 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,920 like you're just kind of looking to have a smooth ride and a lot 687 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,960 of cushion. And it does that. 688 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,360 But I think it has some upside with picking up the pace a 689 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,679 little bit as well and even running off of the road. 690 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,520 I mean I've been able to run in trails with the Vomero. 691 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,800 Not not crazy crazy trails, but some. 692 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360 Compared to some other shoes that you take on trails of 693 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,320 Vomero, that's not surprising at all because hold up the bottom. 694 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,400 For those that are listening, let me describe this. 695 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,360 Like both the Pegasus and the Vimero usually do. 696 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,720 A usually usually do a pretty good job with a decent like a 697 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,600 moderately lug out solo though pretty decent for a lot of Rd. 698 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,680 shoes. So I feel like Nike, the Vomero 699 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,000 and Pegasus have always done that. 700 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120 So that's not surprising at all that you can take that on. 701 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,280 It's not like an aggressive trail shoe, right? 702 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,880 But. Yeah, it's not surprising at 703 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,480 all. Basic trail running, Yeah. 704 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,120 So it's one of those shoes where that versatility, but 705 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640 versatility more on the training side of versatility, not 706 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,160 necessarily like hitting the track super fast versatility. 707 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,440 It has a lot of upside. And that was kind of the main 708 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,320 reason why I put it at number one. 709 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960 It was a shoe that I've agreed with since the day I put it on 710 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440 my foot and it kind of shocked me. 711 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,160 I remember it was a very pleasant surprise. 712 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,680 I, I wasn't expecting to like that shoe as much as I did for 713 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,160 whatever reason, but it's kind of stood the test of time. 714 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,280 I still have it two years later, right? 715 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,080 Like this is still on my rack. I don't really wear it that 716 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,640 often anymore because of all the other stuff we're testing, but I 717 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,360 still have it and that speaks enough volumes right there. 718 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,160 David gets rid of his shoes pretty quick. 719 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,360 Now I will say I'm really curious. 720 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,240 We don't have these yet, but and I'm also making some assumptions 721 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,280 that you know, so Nike, you know how they have the Pegasus line 722 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,760 got spread into the Peg Premium, which we have and we're working 723 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,760 on right now. And hopefully the review will be 724 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200 out by the time this podcast goes live. 725 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,600 They have the inline Pegasus and then the Pegasus Plus. 726 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,240 So apparently their other models are actually going to get split 727 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,160 into that same thing. So I'm very curious to see what 728 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,680 you think. I'm assuming it's called. 729 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,840 There's going to be a assuming like I guess I don't know this, 730 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,920 but I'm assuming there's going to be a structure premium, 731 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,840 structure plus and then a vomero premium and vomero plus, which 732 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,560 is really interesting. So I'll be very curious to see 733 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,160 what you think of vomero 18, if this is the thing, the vomero 734 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,800 premium and then a vomero plus, given that you like a vomero 17. 735 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,440 So we'll have to see. This is not confirmed. 736 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't work with, you know, I 737 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,440 would love to do some additional testing with Nike and and work 738 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,680 with that stuff, but that's just assumptions from some of the 739 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,320 things we've heard. So we'll have to see. 740 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,440 And yeah, so someone out there is listening. 741 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,600 We'd love to try the 18I. Yeah, I've seen the videos of 742 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,120 it. I haven't actually held it 743 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,360 though, so that'd be great. So I, I knew that Dave wasn't be 744 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,720 able to pick this one because unfortunately. 745 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,880 This didn't get. I don't have it. 746 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,080 Hopefully sorry, hopefully we can get this to you. 747 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,120 I this this is the Saucony endorphin trainer, which this is 748 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,880 going to be a controversial pick because I know a lot of the 749 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,960 other reviewers actually dislike this shoe. 750 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,400 They're just like it's you know expensive. 751 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,680 It wasn't as light as this was supposed to be, but when I've 752 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 got and that's that is somewhat that is true, but when I've 753 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,440 gotten this on my foot, the durability a is so much better. 754 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,360 This is like 115 miles, so the outsole is still intact getting 755 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680 a little bit of wear at that lateral forefoot, but I think 756 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,840 what the magic of this shoe is finally getting the why am I 757 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,920 blanket the incredi run foam. I personally don't like the 758 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,600 endorphin elite 2. I think the full incredi run is 759 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,800 way too soft. It's not kind of in the paces 760 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,200 that I like, which is usually 5K10K and I feel like the 761 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,480 integration here with the bottom layer of power run is 762 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,960 phenomenal. This shoe has done everything. 763 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,840 This is my new shift. Would you I still wish they had 764 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,280 a newer version of the actual shift yes, but this is the 765 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,960 closest thing to replacement that I've found It is very much 766 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,400 stable neutral. The way the shoe is designed 767 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,760 that midfoot is filled in on the medial side. 768 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,800 Believe it or not, the power run foam comes up just a little bit 769 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,680 higher on the medial prebolateral side. 770 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,840 So there's people that need a little bit of ladder stability. 771 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,000 This is going to be great, but it's also got this kind of 772 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,440 performance trainer fit that's done really, really well and 773 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,160 I've done every type of workout in this I've done an easy run, 774 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,120 long run recovery run. I've done all kinds of tempo 775 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,880 runs in this I've done intervals if I it wasn't if I didn't know 776 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,880 what I was going to have to do if like if I had to do a 777 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,400 marathon tomorrow, this is what I'd put on if I wasn't 778 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,600 comfortable enough to go race a fast use a super shoe it's it's 779 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,960 bouncy. I've done everything in it. 780 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,080 I really enjoy it. The better durability is great 781 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,160 and I think its ability to handle a lot makes it a fairly 782 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,560 good shift replacement. There is AI think it's a three 783 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,960 quarter length carbon fiber plate and it's as it's broken 784 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,600 in, there's still a tiny bit of flexibility. 785 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,760 So it's not as rigid as some other stuff. 786 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,440 It's still snappy and I've really enjoyed it. 787 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,520 And again, I love the shift. So this is the closest thing I 788 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,400 found to a shift replacement and it's been a great shoot to get 789 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,800 miles on as soon as you know when I have a quiet moment. 790 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080 It probably something I'm going to try to get up to 200 miles in 791 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,480 and see if it survives. But that awesome responsiveness 792 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,680 without being unstable, the transition ability to go any 793 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,000 pace is what I really look for in a trainer. 794 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,360 And so it wins out over the soup glass just because a that it 795 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,320 fits a bit better, it's not as clunky and just a little bit 796 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560 more responsive despite being heavier. 797 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,400 It's a shoe that would pick to go faster over that. 798 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,400 So yeah, I think so I can, you did a good job. 799 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,400 You just have to make sure that your expectations and what 800 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000 you're looking for match. It's not it is slightly higher 801 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,360 stack, but it is not like a super, super, super Max like I 802 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,720 think it's just a little over 40mm, which I think is fine. 803 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,320 I don't think I want much more of that. 804 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,360 I think it could be lighter in some way. 805 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,080 I think the upper is a little thicker than maybe it needs. 806 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,240 To be so, I would love to see this get into the low 9 if not 807 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,120 high 8 range without sacrificing the durability and new 808 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,960 responsiveness. But for a daily trainer, they 809 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,880 can handle everything, which is exactly what I wanted. 810 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,160 This is really it. Yeah, I knew you liked that too, 811 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,360 but I I didn't realize it was it was number one. 812 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,280 It's not Now I'm a little Jelly. I didn't. 813 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,320 I didn't get that one. I. 814 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,760 Know hopefully we can get Saucony to send you that one and 815 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,800 and the rest of the team. I think I'm the only one that 816 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,360 got it. Actually so. 817 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,600 But yeah, it's been a great shoe. 818 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,800 I've really enjoyed it as it checked out all those boxes. 819 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,400 So yeah, those are our picks. And I'm really curious, we're 820 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,360 both really curious to know, do you agree or disagree with that 821 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,960 stuff? Obviously I understand and 822 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,440 somebody gave me a hard time for this, that I really like the 823 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,080 Endorphin Trainer. I know it's not out yet if you 824 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160 have tried it and somehow. Yesterday. 825 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,640 It's not out yet. It's not out till March. 826 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,560 Well, by the time this comes out, maybe. 827 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,280 No, it's going to be it's March. March is when it comes out. 828 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,640 Really. Yeah. 829 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,880 I feel like I've heard so many people talk about it over the 830 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,400 last few months. I thought it was just. 831 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,840 I thought it was out already. So March, March 2025, I think. 832 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,840 But the other ones, we are very curious to hear what you think. 833 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,160 What are your top five daily trainers of the last five years? 834 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,240 Do you agree or disagree with any of our picks? 835 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,160 We're really, really curious to see what everybody else is 836 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,840 thinking because that's the whole reason we do this. 837 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,880 We want to a share and hopefully give some expert opinions to 838 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,720 help all of you kind of figure out what works better for you. 839 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,240 But we also want to know what is working better for you because 840 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:31,920 we were all very, very different. 841 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,600 And that's really what we want you to do. 842 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,320 We want you to learn what's best for yourself and start figuring 843 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,640 that out so you can have a better run and enjoy the stuff 844 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,760 more. 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And I keep I keep saying that 850 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,480 like every time just because I'm so surprised. 851 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,320 But yeah, that yeah, dude, that that place is hot. 852 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,040 And, and lots of other places you can catch this stop the 853 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,040 podcast on both Spotify variety of areas. 854 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,520 And then of course, that you can see it visually on YouTube. 855 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,360 And we let the stuff out every week. 856 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,800 And as always, we really hope this helps. 857 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,040 We really want to be a beneficial thing that helps 858 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,360 educate you because we consider ourselves educators and 859 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,240 definitely not influencers. I hate that term. 860 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,200 Please don't call us that. 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