1 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,880 Hello everybody, and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,400 where we, a group of doctors, physical therapy, discuss the 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,720 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,640 feet. Today at the round table, we 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,680 have Doctor David Salas, Doctor Matthew Klein, and myself, I'm 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,680 Nathan Brown, and today we have a this or that episode. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,680 If you haven't listened to our other this or that episodes, we 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,600 take two concepts that are typically against each other or 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,400 at least run parallel to each other and force us to pick 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,640 between the two, which ultimately results in US 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,400 discussing the nuances of that decision. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,080 A lot of these are inspired by questions that we get from you 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,960 all and we just reformat them into this, which we just makes 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,960 it honestly fun for us to discuss. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,960 So thank you for coming on this journey. 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,760 Before we go into that though, I do want to say that this episode 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,760 is powered by Scratch Labs and we are super thankful to be 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,040 partnering with them at Doctors Running. 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:06,640 All of us use their products for our fuel and our hydration and 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,280 it's been really fun to work with them. 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,240 And by the time this releases will we will have done a social 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,640 media takeover to answer their followers questions about 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,080 running related injuries. So if you want to go back and 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,040 see some of the discussions and questions from that, you may be 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,840 able to do so. Speaking of scratch, have you 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,600 all had any experiences with the stuff that you've tried that 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,880 maybe you hadn't before? I know we have all like 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,040 purchased their stuff in the past, but since testing anything 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,720 else, is there anything that has stuck out to you? 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Yeah, Matt, you go. I will say as someone who 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,800 absolutely loved the coffee recovery and that was the only 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,000 thing I really used, it's been good as a post PhD life to kind 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,680 of tone down the caffeine content and I really really 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,480 enjoy the chocolate recovery. The horchata and the strawberry 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,920 are also still standbys. But like post run now being in 36 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Oregon, temperatures get a little cooler when I wake up in 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,880 the morning make using it to make hot chocolate. 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Post run is absolutely solid. So really loving the chocolate 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,760 recovery mix, but scratch please. 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,039 Please bring the the the caffeine the the coffee one back 41 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,920 please, please. I don't know, that horchata 42 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:15,160 one's pretty good. I agree. 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,640 Yeah, I mean, I, I ran out of that quite quickly, but. 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Me too. I say the one thing that's 45 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,800 changed for me is the stock isn't really there anymore. 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:29,920 Yeah, that's. True. 47 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:32,280 That's a that's that's a good thing though 'cause I'm using 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,240 the product. Yeah. 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:39,680 So the bars using those kind of as a pre run type of fuel. 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,640 I feel like they sit pretty light and they pack a decent 51 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:44,280 amount of calories. Just kind of restore some 52 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,560 glycogen stores and just get a little something in before the 53 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,400 run. I feel like that was good. the 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Super high carb. I mean I've been using that a 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,400 lot. I mean, I used two soft flasks 56 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,800 of it this morning. I was laughing because it was 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,720 just a really long hard run and it was like eat one serving of 58 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,320 that is 400 calories and I put two of them down and I was 800. 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,520 But my run was like 1800. So I was like, I'm still in the 60 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,280 pit. But I I have been really liking 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,600 it for long run fuel. the Super fuel is the thing that I use the 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,520 most that in the protein powder. But I just got more of the Super 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,800 fuel. So that's just what I use, and I 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,240 don't use it quite as frequently because I use it more for my 65 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,120 long runs. Matt, what were you going to 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,920 say? I, I will say also, the 67 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:30,760 superfuel has been really good. Pushing a stroller has been 68 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,440 taking far more calories than I think I expected and I felt so 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,320 much better using the Super Bowl. 70 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,160 And again, shout out to having a stroller. 71 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,520 If you have a kid, really consider getting a stroller 72 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,520 because then you have a place to carry everything. 73 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,480 Like it's great that I have water bottles full of like 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,960 scratch stuff or whatever nutrition we need and like extra 75 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,240 shoes and whatever. Do you have Isabella? 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Do you have a winning stroller right now? 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,960 I know you've been able to test a couple. 78 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Yeah, I actually just hit over 600 miles in the Tuli. 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,600 Tuli, Yes, thank you. As I can't pronounce anything 80 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,160 correctly. I just hit 600 miles. 81 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,040 It will. It depends on the use. 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,200 So if there is very terrain or trail, the Guava Rome is my go 83 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,880 to. But if I want to run fast, if 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,600 I'm racing, the Thule is my go to. 85 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,360 There may be a 10K or half marathon and the next month or 86 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,960 so coming up where I'm going to take a shot with Isabella at 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,720 putting down a QuickTime as we're getting ready for that. 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,720 But and that'll that'll definitely be in the Thule for 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,040 sure. Cool. 90 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,240 There you. Go I will add one thing so 91 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,160 another thing. So I had in my package the 92 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,400 cookbook and so I've been kind of going through playing around 93 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,200 with a couple things, but one thing that's actually pretty 94 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,760 interesting is some of the rice based products they have in 95 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,600 there. And so like I made some some 96 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,720 muffins that are essentially rice based with banana and some 97 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,080 cinnamon, nutmeg, some milk, some stuff like that. 98 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,840 You bake it taste good, super light on the stomach. 99 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,920 You can get a relatively high but clean carb ratio for 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,240 yourself. And that honestly, I just had AI 101 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,160 just made a bunch of them yesterday. 102 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,520 And so that's basically been what I've been eating today 103 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,640 since my stomach was wrecked after that long run. 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,040 So like it they have, yeah. There's a good repertoire to 105 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:16,960 pull from. That's great. 106 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,800 All right, well, let's get into our this or that episode and 107 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,960 we're going to start off with talking about shoes compared 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,720 from this year to last year. So the did I say buy or sell or 109 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,080 did I say this or that? I think I, I think I said this 110 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:30,960 or that. OK, good. 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Well, the first this or that is you either get the top shoes 112 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,920 from 2024 so far or the top shoes from 2023. 113 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,520 And for a reminder for the listeners, the top shoes from 114 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,320 2023 from our team that we picked at the end of the year 115 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,360 included some of the following. Last year we had the Nike Romero 116 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,920 17, Saucony Endorphin Elite, Boston 12 Ultrafly from Nike, 117 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:02,440 Topo Cyclone 2A6 GT2000 Version 12, the Rocket X2 from Hoka, the 118 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,720 Ride 16, Hyperion Max, Hyperion GTS Cloud Boon E3, Vapor Fly 119 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,760 three. Those were all last year models 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,720 and then this year some of them that have come up in our first 121 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,160 half have been like the Alpha Fly 3, the meta speed, Sky and 122 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Edge, Paris, Endorphin Speed 3, Super Blast 2, Cloud Monster 123 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,120 Hyper from on Triumph 22. There's more. 124 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,120 So what? What do you all think between 125 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,480 what would you choose? Top models from last year? 126 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Top models from this year? Speed Speed 4 by the way, Speed 127 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,080 4. Yeah, what did I say 3? 128 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,040 Yeah, that's OK. Yeah, and you left a shoe off of 129 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,240 last year's list, too. Which one? 130 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,480 The Cyclone 2 from Topo? No, he said. 131 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:43,840 I said that. Oh, you did. 132 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,480 You said that. Oh, I I must have missed. 133 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,400 OK, my bad. My bad. 134 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,680 I. Mean it was a huge list so. 135 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,320 Yeah, that was a long list. So what do y'all think, David? 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,720 Putting you on the docket first? What? 137 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 What's your pick? Me on the docket right now. 138 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,040 As of right now I can confidently say best picks of 139 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,880 2023. Say more Why? 140 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,120 Yeah, so it's because when I look at the full repertoire of 141 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,400 shoes, I have to look at them side by side. 142 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,000 I really like the Bomero. You know, I really like the 143 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,040 Cloud Monster Hyper. It's been one of the ones that 144 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,960 I've really liked this year. But I also really freaking like 145 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,440 the Bomero. So they're pretty close. 146 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,520 The Saucony Endorphin Elite was a shoe that has agreed with me 147 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,080 very, very well. I've run multiple races in that 148 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,280 shoe and it's going to be quite hard to topple that one. 149 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,080 I really like the Edge Paris this year, and that's probably 150 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,160 my racing shoe for this year. And maybe like 5K10K. 151 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,120 It's lighter. It's a little bit, I don't know, 152 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,320 it's a little bit more responsive and agreeable to some 153 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 of the faster paces, but I just don't quite know if I would 154 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,200 still take that half marathon marathon over the Endorphin 155 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Elite where I still feel like the Endorphin Elite still kind 156 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,600 of has the pool on me. When I look at trail for me this 157 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,120 year, it's probably the new speed GOAT. 158 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,680 And when I look at last year, the it'd probably be a tie 159 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,240 between the Ultrafly and the Stinson. 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,960 I mean, those are two freaking good shoes, you know what I 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,280 mean? Like so it's kind of hard to 162 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,680 topple that for me, I think. And then in the training 163 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,040 companion, I mean the Cyclone too is like I beat that thing 164 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,520 into the ground multiple. Like I ran through three pairs 165 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,280 of those. So I mean, even the Endorphins 166 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,720 before, as good as it is this year, because that's probably 167 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,080 mine at the moment. I just don't know if the full 168 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,000 alignment of 2024 and obviously there's still more to come, but 169 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,880 I think wrapping up 2023 and to be fair, like 2023, I have more 170 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,559 miles on those shoes, more experience, more sentimental 171 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,559 value, but I do feel being relatively objective, it's 172 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,560 pretty hard to knock those ones off right now. 173 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,960 As much as I like the cloud monster hyper, as much as I love 174 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,920 the edge Paris, as much as I love the speed for you know, 175 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,080 it's it's pretty close. But I think if I had to really 176 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,240 choose a lineup, I mean, like cyclone two is a phenomenal 177 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,040 track shoe and I hills, maybe not super long road stuff, but 178 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,000 you know, like I can do tempos and that. 179 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,480 And then obviously endorphin elite was great for me and the 180 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,560 other ones that I mentioned and vomero long runs, daily 181 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:13,000 training, all that stuff. So I I think I'm going to nod 23 182 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,880 right now, but who knows by the end of 24 that might change. 183 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,720 I want to see if if the endorphin elite two changes your 184 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,200 mind but none of us have tried it yet so who knows. 185 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Yeah. Or if that's even coming this 186 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:25,520 year. Is it? 187 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,560 I don't know. I don't. 188 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:28,640 Yeah, I don't. It was put on the market at 189 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,160 least briefly, yeah. Was it? 190 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:30,920 What? Really. 191 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,840 How was that? Yeah, it was. 192 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,200 It was available through what very particularly I think to be 193 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,240 like around the Olympic rules, right. 194 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Somebody correct me if I'm. Wrong. 195 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Yeah, something else. If someone raised. 196 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,720 But they they had it for sale for and obviously when it was 197 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,560 out off the market immediately because everybody bought it but 198 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,720 I. Don't know why I don't remember 199 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,200 that. OK. 200 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,280 I've had a weird couple of years because in the middle of 2023 is 201 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,760 when I tore the ligament in my foot and that took out the 202 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,280 second-half of 2023 in the first half of 2024 from basically most 203 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,480 running. So it's kind of hard to compare 204 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,720 because I have like getting back to it now and the pre so, but 205 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,920 because of that, I have to choose 2023 because I have 206 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,080 experiences in shoes in 2023 that I just haven't been able to 207 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,400 put through the paces in this year's models. 208 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,800 I think the ones that stick out to me like from a racing 209 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,600 perspective, I ran A20K back in May of last year in the Vaporfly 210 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,440 3. That was a 2023 shoe. 211 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,480 And I just, I find that as like a from half marathon down, it's 212 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,880 such a smooth shoe for me, doesn't waste any effort in like 213 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,400 doesn't have any extra bulk anywhere. 214 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,200 It's just really streamlined. If I'm in shape, I love being in 215 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,720 that shoe. I wouldn't race in it right now. 216 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,480 I just am not in the shape to to be stable enough on it. 217 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,240 But I love that shoe. I could train some workouts in 218 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,640 the Endorphin Speed 3. And so I really love being in 219 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,120 that. I had my options with trainers 220 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,760 all over the place, but I liked running in the ride. 221 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:01,720 I liked running in the Nova Blast, so I've I feel like I had 222 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,440 all the options that I needed and I could actually put them 223 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,680 through the paces. The couple of shoes that if I 224 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:13,040 had more experiences, may give the nod of 2024 is the Edge 225 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,320 Paris. I've loved running in that shoe 226 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,240 when I've been able to and I think that I would try that for 227 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,600 my next race that I'm in shape for half marathon down and maybe 228 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,320 even up to marathon. And then I've really loved 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,920 running easy miles and just daily stuff in the Triumph 22. 230 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,160 So I've had and I've had a lot of good experiences as well in 231 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:36,400 the DV83 and in the New Balance SC Trainer version three. 232 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,360 So there's a lot of really good stuff, but I haven't been able 233 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,160 to do as much. Like I'm getting back to some 234 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,560 longer runs like I did just about 12 miles this past weekend 235 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,640 almost. It was a like a slower paced 236 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,960 run. So I had almost two hours on my 237 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,280 feet. So I'm getting more more stuff 238 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,080 in, but because of the experiences I had in the 2023 239 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,680 shoes, I can't really compare them that much. 240 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,560 So I would pick that that year. What do you think, Matt? 241 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,400 This is a tough. Question, I'm not, I'm going to 242 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,760 be the only one I think to choose 2024, but there's a 243 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,080 caveat here where I'm curiously what happens. 244 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,640 I kind of feel like, and not to be rude, that the 2024 training 245 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:15,440 trainers have have not really stood up to 20/23/2023 trainers. 246 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,200 I think we're better so far, but we still have a while. 247 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,440 We still have many money, months to see what comes out. 248 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:23,480 I just haven't been as impressed with training shoes. 249 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,280 But with some of the faster shoes, some of the racing ones, 250 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,840 that has been awesome. That has been that's blown me 251 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,880 out of the water with the Edge Paris, the Alpha Fly 3. 252 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Just I haven't gotten to try it yet. 253 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,880 So I'm very excited to try the on cloud boom strike and the not 254 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,520 the on yeah, deviate Nitro elite three. 255 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,000 I think I have some very high hopes for that. 256 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,280 So some of this is high hope expectations, but how good the 257 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,200 racing stuff has been and some of the faster stuff to me kind 258 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,240 of beats that out. So I and I didn't I kind of with 259 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,000 you. I didn't initially like the 260 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Endorphin Speed 4, but it really grew on me where I, you know, 261 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:03,480 have a second pair that I'm working through right now. 262 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,480 So I definitely like the faster end of 2024 and it has, it's 263 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,400 just barely making up for, I think, mediocre trainers this 264 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:13,720 year. But we'll have to see what the 265 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,800 last third of 2024 has in store. I'm surprised you didn't say 266 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,720 Super Blast. Yeah, I mean, that's the Super 267 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,800 blast. Two is an obvious one. 268 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,640 I just did a long run in it yesterday, but obvious. 269 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,200 But I feel like, to be honest, like it's it's a it's I kind of 270 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,720 just take a new carryover. I don't really feel like it's a 271 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,520 full upgrade. Yes, it has a little bit more 272 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,680 bounce, yeah, but it's just a teeny bit heavier. 273 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 The front has just been a tiny bit more narrow, hasn't broken 274 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,000 in as much, but it's still a solid shoe. 275 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Just I didn't think feel like it was that massive an upgrade. 276 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,240 It's a great option though, because really? 277 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,640 Keep going. Yeah. 278 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,480 I I like it, I love it. I'm going to get to 100 miles on 279 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,920 it, but I just didn't feel like it was as I want more of it. 280 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,080 But I also respect ASICS going. We know this shoe has a massive 281 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,200 following. You don't want to screw. 282 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,400 I got it. We don't want to screw this up. 283 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,640 So I think ASICS did a good job keeping that shoe where it needs 284 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,960 to be without freaking out the large fan base. 285 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,880 But I think just me kind of wanting just like give me a 286 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,920 little bit more. But I I don't blame them. 287 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,360 So I think they did a good job for the for the population of 288 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,320 runners that they are serving. Yeah, I I think one thing that's 289 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,560 really interesting with 2024, I feel like this is kind of the 290 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,720 year of that like Supermax cushion trainer where a lot of 291 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 these companies are going after those Max stack shoes. 292 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,280 And I think in that category 2024 has really shined that in 293 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,680 the racing category, obviously between Edge, Paris, Alphafly 3, 294 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,880 like all the ones you mentioned, I mean even the pay like 295 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,040 there's, there's a lot of shoes that are just killing it right 296 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,920 now in that category. But I feel like that Max cushion 297 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,920 like integrating new generation materials, like everyone's doing 298 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,320 that. And so like when we listen to 299 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,760 the shoes we're listing, it's like super glass to on cloud 300 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,960 Monster hyper SC trainer like so I feel like in that way, 2024, 301 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,360 it's like they've really pushed these Max cushion shoes where 302 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,120 some of those like in the middle, they maybe they're not 303 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,200 getting left behind, but they feel like they're getting a 304 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,800 little left behind. It was interesting that I 305 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,000 finished a run this morning and Regina I Regina is trying to get 306 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,600 back into doing longer threshold stuff. 307 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,640 So we did what, 6 miles at a threshold effort, which is like 308 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,880 just under 7 minute pace, which for me felt really hard right 309 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,000 now. So I was like very impressed. 310 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,920 David's running a minute per mile faster than that and 311 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,880 crushing it. I'm like, dude, I'm out of 312 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,760 breath pushing the stroller. But I was just sitting there 313 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,120 looking at, I use the SC trainer vision version three. 314 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,440 And I was like kind of thinking back going, what would I think? 315 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Like if I was going back ten years and was telling myself, 316 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,080 yeah, I'm running in this like shoe that I now consider to be 317 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,680 more training esque, but at that time would have been insane. 318 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,440 It's just it's interesting how things have shifted and how 319 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,960 normalized some of these things that we were once like, oh, be 320 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,200 careful. Like they're just on our feet 321 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,480 almost every day. It's it's interesting to update 322 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,680 how how things change. Can I? 323 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,440 I'm going to do it this or that. That's not on our list and it's 324 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,800 the it's, it's more on the trainer run, but the Saucony 325 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Ride 16 versus the Saucony Ride 17, which is the switch to power 326 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,280 and plus in the trainer. So what do you all think there? 327 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,680 As it is for that. Yeah. 328 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,800 For what specifically just in? General it's a it's a daily 329 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,000 trainer, so put it in daily trainer category. 330 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:38,520 I think I'm going to go with the 17, which might come as a shock 331 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,000 to a lot of people. I really like the, I love the 16 332 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,480 and had a really consistent ride to it. 333 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,360 You know, it was definitely on the firmer side, but I do feel 334 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,000 like I mean the traction is a little bit better on the 17 and 335 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,880 the foam has just a little bit more balance to it. 336 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,840 It's a little bit softer, not super soft. 337 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,400 I mean it's still a ride, but I do feel like because my paces 338 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,079 can vary and the uses of the shoe might fluctuate. 339 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,480 It's not just all just pure easy, you know, building 340 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,640 mileage. I I feel like I just have a 341 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,680 little bit more versatility in the 17. 342 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,160 That would probably be my main reason for it and the power on 343 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,079 plus foam is it is a better foam like it definitely is compared 344 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:26,720 to the previous CVA that they had. 345 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,080 So I think as it being a workhorse shoe, it probably 346 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,360 would be better with longer mileage and just you know, just 347 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,920 literally being a workhorse and hitting high amounts of mileage 348 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,880 on that shoe. So I think I'd give the nod to 349 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,600 the 17, but that's funny that we bring that up because I have 350 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,840 other trainers in front of it this year. 351 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,600 You know, so it shows you how things can change. 352 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,880 But the trainer I have in front of it is the cloud monster 353 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,120 hyper, right? So it's like it's so again, it's 354 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:00,800 like Max cushion versus normal traditional trainer, whatever. 355 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:06,080 So it all gets kind of muddy there, but but the ride 17 is 356 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,600 cool. I think I think I'd probably go 357 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,560 with the Ride 17 there. Matt, what's your pick? 358 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,000 I would have to go with the Ride 16. 359 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,600 It's not because I don't like the 17. 360 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,040 I loved actually doing workouts in it. 361 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,240 It was the power and plus foam bouncy. 362 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,640 I like did a ton of workouts, ton of tempo runs that were 363 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,360 really good running really fast. I just found that for my 364 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:28,440 mechanics and what what I wanted and getting into an easy run 365 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,280 shoe, The 16 was definitely like us, a classic stable neutral 366 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,520 shoe with the side walls did super well for me. 367 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,800 It wasn't too soft and bouncy, but I still did some faster 368 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,800 tempo stuff. And where I am right now, I've 369 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,000 kind of been avoid, not all of them, but been kind of avoiding 370 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,560 shoes that are like super soft and bouncy right now. 371 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,720 Like a lot of work like the SCG trainer, I just started doing 372 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,760 workouts in that shoe and I bumped that up from doing 373 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,040 workouts in the Kevara 15 because I'm like, let me just go 374 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,840 back to like stage one and just, you know, build up some strength 375 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,200 and get used to doing this again. 376 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,360 So I think I'd be craving the 16 right now also because it's more 377 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,560 stable. Great. 378 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,520 All right, let's move on to the next question, this or that, 379 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,040 marathon or half marathon racing. 380 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,560 Oh, hands down, half marathon. Why? 381 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,320 Any any further explanation? I would say at this point in my 382 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,840 life and the things that I know, I don't really have marathon 383 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,320 goals anymore. And all kudos to David for for, 384 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,320 you know, building that stuff. I know I'm not any the the goals 385 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,280 I once would have had, which would have been like, hey, I'm 386 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,760 going to try to make the trials that's long gone. 387 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Any like remote chance of that is long gone. 388 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,360 So I'm thinking more longevity and trying to get as much speed 389 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:49,640 back as possible and doing those long, long distances personally 390 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,080 for me tends to like I tend to lose that and it takes, you 391 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,600 know, such a long time to recover, whereas 1/2 is a great 392 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,720 distance you can recover from. So if you're thinking longevity, 393 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,840 speed, I want to try to get back to like 5K, you know, even some 394 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,920 mile races in there, half marathon for. 395 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,920 Sure. That speaks to some of your long 396 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:10,520 that's some of your long term goals that we talked about maybe 397 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,160 a month ago. So all right, I, I think for me, 398 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,600 my answer is half marathon. I want it to be marathon like I 399 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,880 wish, I wish I could be a person that could just like go crank 400 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,480 out a marathon a year, which I just can't do right now. 401 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,120 And so I think that is not true as it is. 402 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,000 There's this like, pie in the sky of being successful at 403 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,720 marathoning and I like training for and racing races that I 404 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,720 could more easily fail at. Like I'd rather go into 405 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,280 something with a better chance of failing than something that I 406 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,640 can kind of like notch it off a little bit easier. 407 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,880 So the the marathon is something I have far from mastered and 408 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,320 that's why it appeals to me as a like it's an option to race 409 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,520 where is like the marathon. I have marathon. 410 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,720 I also have not gotten anywhere close to mastery, but I have a 411 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,680 lot more under my belt. So I feel comfortable and I 412 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,640 don't feel nervous when I step on the starting line and I just 413 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,480 kind of know what to expect. But I think that's why I lean 414 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,480 towards like wanting the marathon to be what I could do, 415 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,960 but I just can't do it right now with the where my foot's AT and 416 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,320 stuff. So I guess the answer maybe is 417 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,640 actually then marathon racing. I'm just not doing it. 418 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,960 I thought that would be my pick. What about you, David? 419 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:35,800 I'd go half marathon yeah. I, I, I'm kind of in a similar 420 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,480 boat where I kind of want it to be marathon. 421 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,840 But I think given where I currently am with things, I 422 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,760 mean, I'm pretty happy with 225. Like I feel like that was pretty 423 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,480 good and that was almost 224, like that was 225 O. 424 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:58,480 But I given the 5K, the 1500, like the times that I have put 425 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,280 down people that are running those times. 426 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,440 And I mean, obviously we say never to fall under the 427 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,320 comparison trap, but they're half marathons are a lot faster 428 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,320 than my half marathon and I know I'm underperforming in that 429 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,080 distance. And so for those reasons, like 430 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,040 I, I want to do better. My PR is one O 8 and a lot of 431 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,800 there are guys running one O 6 one O 5 off of far less, you 432 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,880 know, quote UN quote speedy PRS. And so I, I, I would like to be 433 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,920 able to put an effort like that down and, and string string it 434 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,280 together on the day, Whereas like I know I can go faster in 435 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,280 the marathon. I know for a fact I can, but 436 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,240 it's just like same thing. I think if I had to choose one 437 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,360 right now, especially given foresight for the next two ish 438 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,560 years, I'd love to get that half down and maybe in time, ask me 439 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,200 in two years and you have another OTQ cycle coming up. 440 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,320 And maybe if I'm in the shape to maybe go for it, I might, I 441 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,720 might choose marathon. But also looking at longevity 442 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,280 and looking at all the things that Matt said, you are just 443 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,280 beat up after a marathon. I mean like your soul has left 444 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,240 your body. You can't move for like 2 days 445 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,480 like and then you can't run for like 3 weeks. 446 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,600 It feels like, you know, it's just like it's just rough. 447 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,200 And I feel like with half marathons, even if you raise 448 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,840 some, like you can still run the next week, you know, like you 449 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,520 have a couple hard days, but you come back around quicker. 450 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,680 And I think the, the distance itself is just more fun, right? 451 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Like you can kind of get through 10K feeling relatively good and 452 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,160 then it starts hurting. But then when it starts hurting, 453 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,960 you only have what, 5 miles to go, 5-6 miles versus like in a 454 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,080 marathon, sometimes it's hurting a while around the same time and 455 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,080 you still have another half. You know what I mean? 456 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:53,080 Like so like the marathon, there's just so much that can 457 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,840 happen. And I know that some of the 458 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:01,200 appeal to it, but I think I like the, the intrinsic feeling of 459 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,320 racing in the half a little bit better. 460 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,440 And it feels more like racing as well. 461 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,920 Where in the marathon everyone's kind of in it together until X 462 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,080 distance, you know, and it's like, 'cause no one's trying to 463 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,960 beat each other in the 1st 18 miles. 464 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,240 You know, you're not trying unless like if you had the 465 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,640 chance to win a race and you feel really, really good about 466 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,800 yourself. And maybe you send it from 10K 467 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,640 out or something. But for the most part, most 468 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,640 people are are running relatively together until they 469 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,560 can't anymore. And it kind of ends up becoming 470 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,840 a little bit of a war of attrition. 471 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,200 So I, I think I'm going to go half marathon because I do feel 472 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,880 like there's just more racing elements there and I and I feel 473 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,440 like where my personal interest is at this current moment, I 474 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,680 would like to get that down. Nice. 475 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,680 All right, this or that. Would you rather run in 0° 476 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,480 weather or 100° weather? Oh, that's can I go first on 477 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,200 that as a as as transplanting now from California to Oregon. 478 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,560 I would much rather run in 0°. I just feel like it's so much in 479 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,960 my opinion, although the evidence on this for like for 480 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,520 sports on field stuff is actually a little bit different. 481 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,200 I feel like just personally, it's easier to stay warm than it 482 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,320 is to try to cool down. Like you can have good warm gear 483 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,920 that keeps you going and you're relatively fineless. 484 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,720 You get in trouble like if you get wet or something like that. 485 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,280 It's like you can be wearing the the least amount of like legal 486 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,000 amount of clothing and it's still blazing hot. 487 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800 And I'm just someone who has trouble with heat. 488 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,640 So that's me. I'd rather take the 0. 489 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,200 I would rather in zero every single, I mean, it's just 490 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,400 obvious for what I where I live too in Wisconsin, it's just what 491 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,800 I do all winter because I wait, I run still at like 5:00 in the 492 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,160 morning. So it's going to be like pitch 493 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320 dark and it's going to be cold. And that's just what I go 494 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,560 running. And I would actually ran in 495 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,280 rather run in 0° than I would in 75° weather to be honest. 496 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,160 But that's just because I'm not used to 75° weather at 5:00 AM. 497 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,960 So when it's that hot in the morning when it's like 68, I'm 498 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,640 like, this is the worst day of my life. 499 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,720 And I know that like y'all and like BJ and Bach, like our media 500 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,360 manager and our audio engineer are like screaming at me because 501 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,320 they live in South Carolina and Houston and Southern California. 502 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,000 But like I do I I can't stand the warmer weather. 503 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,600 So I would pick 0 / 70 if I if I really had to. 504 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560 I will say as Regina and I were getting ready to move to Oregon, 505 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,080 so this summer has been fairly hot in Southern California and 506 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,200 just getting up even at 5530 and still have it be like 7075° and 507 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,920 it's dark out. It's just like, but again, I'm 508 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400 biased since I grew up in Oregon where I'm used to being cooler 509 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,280 and now waking up here and having it be high 40s, low 50s, 510 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,200 like, you know, so it might be bias, David. 511 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960 I don't know man, I grew up in the Empire. 512 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,200 You grew up in the IE hundred hundred 100° weather is normal. 513 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,680 Like so like I know it, I know what it feels like. 514 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,320 I did it for years. I I mean, I wouldn't bat an eye 515 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,400 running in 100° weather. Now once it starts climbing over 516 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,960 105 and it starts getting like pretty high up there, it's like, 517 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,480 OK, now it's pretty hot. You might actually have some 518 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,760 safety concerns, but at 100 I feel like I don't know. 519 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,240 I'm also like a lizard. I'm like I feel like I'm cold 520 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,520 blooded where like I almost need a little bit of heat yeah, I, I 521 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,360 struggle in the cold man I'm a weenie, but like I don't know I 522 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,000 I don't mind the heat now. Obviously I'm not acclimated to 523 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,440 there anymore. I grew up in the nine O 9. 524 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,560 Now I'm on the Central Coast like I, I, I, I don't run in 525 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680 100° weather anymore. And so it probably would be 526 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,040 miserable at the current moment, but I'm more familiar with it. 527 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,360 So if we ever like traveled in like in college, like if you 528 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,760 travel down for Mount SAC Relays or Brian Clay Invitational or 529 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920 things like that, sometimes it can get pretty hot in the 530 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,120 springtime. And if you're running 15 531 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,480 hundreds, that's in the middle of the day. 532 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,960 And so everyone was always complaining and all that stuff. 533 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,640 I'm like, I'm home like this is this is high school, Like what? 534 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,640 So I was, I was just very used to running in high temperatures. 535 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,720 That was a very normal thing for me to do. 536 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,960 So I, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd choose that. 537 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,040 I mean, 100 is not 115, you know, like it is. 538 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,920 I think it I think it is a doable temperature. 539 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,280 Which is. But if you're talking like 540 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,880 desert heat, like, you know, Palm Springs, Arizona, like once 541 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,760 you start getting out that way, like it, it starts getting hot 542 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,000 hot. Even where I'm from, it can get 543 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840 upwards of 115. But like usually that's still a 544 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,480 pretty hot day. Like it would get I mean 110 and 545 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,000 probably a normal summer midday. I'm going to move us to our next 546 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,560 question because you actually segued us really nice and this 547 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,880 or that Santa Barbara is Southern California or Central 548 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Coast California. And I'm going to start and I I'm 549 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,000 going to say that like our understanding of place and 550 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,160 culture and like delineations of things is going to vary depend 551 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,400 on where you're from, right? So like I have a friend who's 552 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,000 from Southern Illinois and his thing is like there's Chicago, 553 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440 there's fake Chicago and then there's like actual Illinois. 554 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,760 And you know, for people who are outside, like if somebody's from 555 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,160 the suburbs, they're going to like, say, like I'm from Chicago 556 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920 to somebody who's not from there because they don't know what 557 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,320 Buffalo Grove is, for example. But that's not really Chicago. 558 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,400 In the same way for me being in Wisconsin, there's Southern 559 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,960 California and Northern California. 560 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720 And anything South of San Jose is Southern California, and 561 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,480 anything north of San Jose or San Jose and N is going to be 562 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,480 Northern California. And that's just how I 563 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,360 conceptualize it, so. It's like, Oh yeah, for Fresno, 564 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,240 that's Southern California. We just offended the entire 565 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,480 state of California. In a span of. 5 seconds. 566 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,200 So So what do y'all say then? We have literally just started 567 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,040 this. California. 568 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,600 So my goodness, this is this is not good. 569 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,920 I guess I'll start because I live. 570 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Here. Well, no, I mean, my pick is my 571 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680 pick is Southern California. I mean Santa Barbara's in 572 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400 Southern California, obviously South of San Jose. 573 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600 We got one answer right? Yeah, David. 574 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,120 I think I come, I come from it from a different angle because I 575 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,440 think what you say like cities you recognize, I feel like most 576 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,920 people recognize the city of Santa Barbara. 577 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000 I, I, I mean it's a smaller ish city. 578 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 You just don't know where people have heard of it. 579 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,920 Well, I think most people know it's on the West Coast like. 580 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,880 In California, they know it's in California. 581 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,160 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, most people from 582 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,600 Wisconsin are going to be like, that's in California. 583 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,880 People that are in that area won't say they're from Los 584 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Angeles. Right. 585 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,680 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah. 586 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,480 And, and like most people that are the celebrities, the 587 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,560 whatever, you know, the big people you hear about that are 588 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,360 in Santa Barbara, a lot of them move here to get away from 589 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680 Southern California and Los Angeles, but still have enough 590 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,600 proximity to get to LA if they need to, if they're still 591 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,880 working or acting or doing whatever the heck they're doing. 592 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,280 So I would argue that we're, we're on the edge. 593 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,800 We're definitely on the lower edge of Central Coast, but I 594 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,520 would say that we are Central Coast. 595 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,760 So we have a different area code. 596 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240 We are the eight O 5 like it's it's we have our own county. 597 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,760 We're not LA County, you know, like so we're we're definitely 598 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,240 getting to that area where it's a little bit more rural. 599 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,680 Once you pass Santa Barbara, like that coastline, it's a 600 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,360 bunch of small towns, you know, like with the exception of San 601 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,520 Luis Obispo. But still San Luis Obispo still 602 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160 isn't that big compared to any of the cities in So Cal. 603 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,160 Like where I grew up has a higher population than Santa 604 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Barbara. LA and South is Southern 605 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,240 California, LA and San Diego. That's. 606 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,800 Southern California I I'd argue like pretty close to South of 607 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,000 Santa Barbara. Like I feel like Santa Barbara 608 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,400 might be the lion. OK. 609 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,280 Because like Ventura, I think enough people would probably say 610 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,600 is so Cal you. I think it'd be like maybe, oh, 611 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,120 well, I mean, Klein's wincing. So maybe maybe Ventura and north 612 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,320 of there, because it once you go South of there, it's Malibu and 613 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,480 Malibu S that's that's. Malibu, Santa Monica, that's 614 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:15,920 all. Yeah, yeah. 615 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,760 That's. All SoCal. 616 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,960 That's so Cal for sure. But like Oxnard, I feel like I'd 617 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,200 say SoCal. I I feel like I'd still say 618 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,160 SoCal for Ventura, but maybe that's the line. 619 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,720 Matt, what do you got? We shouldn't. 620 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,120 Spend north of them by 30 miles. So like. 621 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,720 People are like, why are they talking about California this 622 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,520 much? Matt, what's your answer though? 623 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,760 And then? We can move forward. 624 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,560 I've been there for a lot. I've been there for 11 years. 625 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,640 I mean, I was born in Southern California in Santa Monica, grew 626 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,800 up in Oregon. So David has more of a right 627 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,120 because you were born and raised there. 628 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,480 But I would say with my experience over the last decade 629 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,120 that Southern California really is like, I, I would say Ventura 630 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,200 is probably the limit just because culture shifts so much 631 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,720 as soon as you get into that area and a lot of people move to 632 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,400 Ventura or Santa Barbara to get out of LA. 633 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,640 Now I will say, I think LA, you know, SoCal does include San 634 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,080 Diego. I think there's enough, although 635 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,400 this is going to offend a lot of people, there is enough general 636 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,600 similarity that San Diego, LA that that is that so Cal vibe. 637 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,040 But I think once you get out of that, things really change. 638 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360 That's like, kind of like saying, you know, going past 639 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,280 Riverside is still SoCal. Like that's a it's a very 640 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,480 different vibe as you start getting out to the. 641 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,000 And and be careful what you say there. 642 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,440 Yeah, even even Riverside might have. 643 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,240 Is east of Riverside. Yeah, so that's, you got to be 644 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,240 careful even saying, saying that sometimes. 645 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,320 So, all right, I, I would say Santa Barbara is going to be 646 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,840 more of that southern Central Coast, partially because of the 647 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,640 the vibe changes as well as city life, the connections, things 648 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,240 like that. And it's actually, I mean I'm a 649 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320 driving wimp, but I think it's a decent distance away. 650 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,560 Yeah, Yeah, it's a good distance. 651 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,320 It's a good. Distance. 652 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,080 So I would say it's Central Coast. 653 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,920 And everyone knows everyone here. 654 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,480 Yeah, people don't. Know everybody in LA. 655 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,320 You can't. I'm going to move us forward. 656 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,000 I'm moving us forward. We're going to get back to ducks 657 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,320 of running conversation, though I do love this. 658 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,679 I just don't know if people care. 659 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,199 Let us know. Do you want to hear more about 660 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,480 our conversations? What this is? 661 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,080 Going to be the most watch segment and the most offensive 662 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,679 part of anything we've. Ever get heated there? 663 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,000 You go. Leave it a comment below, 664 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,400 especially if you're offended by this. 665 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,560 Right, here we go. Here's our here we're getting, 666 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,800 we're getting back to it here. So this or that foam rolling or 667 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,480 percussion massage. So Percussion massage would be 668 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,760 like Theragun or Hypervolt or something like that. 669 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,800 I'm going to do a hot take on this. 670 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,480 I, as I progressed in my career, have been much more open to this 671 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000 stuff, knowing again that the the effects tend to be 672 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,159 transient. But if the goal is to change 673 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,520 tissue tone, a muscle tone, it's a great short term fit thing 674 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,800 before you do something else or a great adjunct to it. 675 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,400 Definitely having a Theragon and one of the, the small little 676 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,560 progressive with the Adidas was nice enough to send me along 677 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,240 with the ultra Boost 5X has been, has been a great tool and 678 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,640 just I've been experimenting with it. 679 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,360 But again, these are adjuncts, not primary. 680 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,960 However, I for ease of use, they're a gun. 681 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,920 But if you want a little extra something, I like the foam 682 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,440 roller only because you have to get into positions that are 683 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,760 essentially like core workouts. Like you basically have to get 684 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,720 into modified planks to get into like to foam roll a lot of the 685 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,360 stuff. And so for that reason, I kind 686 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,640 of like it because a lot of these treatments are technically 687 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640 passive and if you can add any active component to it that you 688 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,240 benefit from a big fan. So depending on what you want, I 689 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,360 I'm kind of a little more fan of foam rollers. 690 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,520 Again, remembering these are passive adjunctive treatments. 691 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,600 Yeah, I to go off of that, I think there's a little bit of a 692 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,360 caveat to my answer as well. I think for self use Eileen foam 693 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,520 roller and it's mainly because of an active component. 694 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,160 I think you can get a little bit deeper. 695 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,200 You can really kind of lean into things and you can do a little 696 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,440 bit of like your own self kind of tissue work. 697 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160 And like, let's say you're rolling your quads out and then 698 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,760 you hit a certain trigger point and you're like, oh, OK, there's 699 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,960 that. You can kind of extend your leg, 700 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,040 bring it back and kind of work it back and forth and kind of 701 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,400 give yourself your own like little active release there 702 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,200 where I think the percussion's fine, but I don't, I don't know 703 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,440 on the self use quite as much as far as like if I'm choosing one, 704 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,160 but in a clinical setting, I mean, now you have a two person 705 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,240 party and you can pretty much get anywhere you want with a 706 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,880 percussion tool. And people do tend to like the 707 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,880 well, I mean, everyone's different, but some people 708 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,520 really like that kind of percussion type of feeling, the 709 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,440 vibration and then also just just like how it makes the 710 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,440 muscles feel. So I I can go either way on it. 711 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,920 You know, I do like my toys, but I, I think, I think for my own 712 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,240 personal selfies, I find myself grabbing the foam roller more 713 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,720 just for those reasons. So like whether it's calf 714 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,680 releases, quad, whatever. I'm the same. 715 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640 I use, I use my foam roller way more than I use my percussion 716 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,600 massager. And I, I think the literature is 717 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,200 pretty, there are going to be differences in how it like 718 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,720 impacts your body on a cellular level and like the type of 719 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,800 stimulus that it's giving. But in the end, you're getting 720 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,800 this short term change that's changing how you feel. 721 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,040 And I think that the accessibility of a foam roller 722 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,480 is so much higher. I mean, like if I had to go buy 723 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,640 something and I was deciding between the two, the cost is so 724 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680 much lower for a foam roller. It's just so easy to have. 725 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,840 And so I, I go that way 10 out of 10 times both because that's 726 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,080 what I end up using, but also, you know, the cost is a big 727 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,280 deal. And I think, no, I won't, I 728 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,960 won't go further. I, I agree with everything you 729 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,640 all said. All right, here we go. 730 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,240 Oh, go ahead. I will say the only thing that 731 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:52,640 I, I found more use with the percussion things is going back 732 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,880 to some of my neuro colleagues is doing some home health and 733 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,760 getting pushed into some patients that are doing post 734 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,240 stroke care and going, oh, Oh my gosh, when we talk about 735 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,600 changing, you know, tone. So for those that don't know 736 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,960 spasticity, sometimes if you have a stroke or upper motor 737 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,280 neuron lesion or a variety of lesions, you can have like 738 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,200 people would just have things that look like spasticity where 739 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,720 it's locked out and you it's very hard to move. 740 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960 I've had a lot of success using percussion because obviously 741 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,000 some of the muscles getting to them with foam rollers really 742 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,080 not feasible, whereas changing that tone with a percussive 743 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040 device has been great. It's also very accessible to the 744 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,800 patient as well. But this is not running. 745 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,680 I think for a lot of runners I think foam roller is great 746 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,560 because you might as this is a good like way to trick people 747 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,000 into doing a little bit of core and plank work unintentionally. 748 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,120 And I don't put, I don't put foam roller in the category of 749 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,960 everyone needs to foam roll either. 750 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,440 But if you're going to use something, that's where I pick 751 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,840 foam roller over it. OK, next question next to this 752 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,240 or that, we're talking about two different types of pairings of 753 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,880 shoes that you would buy for yourself. 754 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,680 One is buying a super trainer and a racing shoe or buying a 755 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,920 training companion shoe and a racer. 756 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,160 Admittedly, there is some crossover in these categories, 757 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,360 but let me give some examples to know what we're choosing 758 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,600 between. So if you're thinking Super 759 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640 trainer and racer combo, the Super trainer examples would be 760 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,520 like the Super Blast. We would put the Cloud Monster 761 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,800 Hyper there, the Prime X Strung 2, Neo Vista, the Skyward X from 762 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,360 Hoka, and the SC Trainer V3. We've talked about this kind of 763 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,560 spans between both. The training companions are 764 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,560 those that are designed very similarly to the racer. 765 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,760 So this would be like the Endorphin Speed 4, Magic Speed 4 766 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,800 from a six. We have the SC Trainer V3 or the 767 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,920 Rebel from New Balance, the Boston 12, the Rebellion Flash 2 768 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,320 from Mizuno, the Hokamak X and the Puma DV83. 769 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,640 So are you going with the Super trainer in racing combo or the 770 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,840 training companion shoe and racing combo? 771 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,000 I think I'm going to go training companion and Super shoe. 772 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000 Yeah. I mean, I could just see myself 773 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,040 like if I really had to only choose two. 774 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,720 I could train in an endorphin speed 4:00 that's fine. 775 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,640 And then I can hit all my workouts and do everything I 776 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,600 want and then go race in a pro or whatever equivalent. 777 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,560 I, I don't know, because I think I as I think of it more from the 778 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,200 workout side of things and the paces that I'm trying to hit. 779 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,520 And I think a lot of the Super trainers like the cloud monster 780 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,800 hyper and like some of those shoes, I would just struggle to 781 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,400 hit some of those paces. And maybe that's just me being a 782 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,400 weenie, but I but I feel like it's nice to be able to get up 783 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,920 to speed in some of those shoes. And I know topo doesn't have a 784 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,200 super shoe, but like if they had like a cyclone and a racing 785 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,520 equivalent or like like I said, Endorphin speed for magic speed, 786 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,080 whatever. Like I can run easy miles in 787 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,800 that shoe, OK and then I can still hit it fast when I need 788 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,120 to. And then when I really have to 789 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,560 turn it up for race day or special workouts, then I'll put 790 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,520 on the Super shoe. So I, I, I feel like if I'm in 791 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,800 the camp of one or the other, like I'm probably going to just 792 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,440 choose the, the training companion in the Super shoe. 793 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,240 I might be a little bit more comfortable on those easy days 794 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,080 in the Super trainer, but I think again like the versatility 795 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,160 of the training companion is what appeals to me most. 796 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,840 I'm on the same page as you for slightly different reasons, 797 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,480 though, just because we train quite differently from each 798 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,800 other in terms of like the types of workouts we're doing. 799 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,160 But I would I would pick the training campaign is because I 800 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,320 think the versatility of those is higher than that in the Super 801 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,280 trainer. Like you said, the Endorphin 802 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,040 Speed four. I've done so many easy runs in 803 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,720 that shoe this year. It feels great. 804 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,360 And then I can also do a long run in it. 805 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,440 And let's say I wasn't feeling great and not in like not in 806 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,920 great shape for the race day. I could race in the Endorphin 807 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,560 Speed Four and I would put the same conversation for the DV8, 808 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,840 DV8 Nitro 3 from Puma. I have loved doing long easy 809 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,680 runs in that shoe. It's very smooth at easy paces. 810 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,560 And then the only one that the other one I would add to it is 811 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,200 the SC Trainer V3. If we're putting that in the 812 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,080 training companion realm. I've had a lot of success doing 813 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,600 workouts in that shoe this since I've been coming back so and 814 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,520 even the Boston 12, like all of those, I've done so many easy 815 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,480 runs, so many workouts. I just feel like the versatility 816 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,640 outlasts everything else from the comfort that those other 817 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640 ones may give and some of these super trainers I've actually had 818 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,120 like not had luck with like the prime X drunk two couldn't run 819 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920 in it. Skyward XI find it too like 820 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,400 crazy for me to like find rhythm in there. 821 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,000 There's a lot of stuff. the Super blast I get along with 822 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,840 really well. So that's that one's not in the 823 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,720 category, but some of these really bouncy really high 824 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,560 stacked. I just feel like I get lost and 825 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,600 can't find the ground. So I lean towards the training 826 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,400 companion because I can get the ground a little better. 827 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,320 Matt, what are you thinking? I'm, I'm really torn honestly, 828 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,800 because there's shoes on each. I'm focusing on the, the 829 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,760 training companion versus the Super trainers. 830 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,560 There's Serpa trainers that I get along really well with like 831 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,800 the Super blast for two, for example. 832 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,320 And there are ones that I really get along with in the training 833 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,680 companion. There's also ones that really 834 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,880 don't get along with. And so I'm trying to figure out 835 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:11,040 which one in 2024 ish around this time would I choose? 836 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,520 And I'm going to have to go the opposite way based on that 837 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,720 because yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to be the oddball and 838 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,840 do the Super trainers because I, I consider the SC trainer 839 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,800 version three to be a more of a super trainer. 840 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080 I know we talked about this thing kind of like blends into 841 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,400 both, but I really enjoy doing workouts in that and found it to 842 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,120 be an excellent shoe to do that. And then it's a little too firm, 843 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,040 but I forced myself into some training miles and it's done OK 844 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,360 Super Blast obviously does great for training miles and is a 845 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,160 great long run up tempo run shoe. 846 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,360 The Skyward X is a shoe that I struggle with a little bit. 847 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,400 I do feel disconnected from the ground. 848 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,920 I can't do anything fast and it's just a good shoe for 849 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,200 slogging miles. And but I just had to say I'm a 850 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,400 little biased toward the Super trainers right now just because 851 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,040 of the stuff that's available in the training companion. 852 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,480 I'm just not liking as much. The only one of the few ones 853 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,560 that really grabs me is the speed for from Saucony and the 854 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,200 New Balance. Why am I blanking? 855 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,760 You literally just said this. The Rebel is a great shoe that 856 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,680 almost pulls me back, but I just like the Super trainers a little 857 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,320 bit more. Great. 858 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,440 All right, we're going to go quick on this next one because 859 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,400 it's similar conversation, but you only get one of these shoes 860 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,000 and you have to buy it SC Trainer V3 or the on Cloud 861 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,560 Monster Hyper. This question is literally for 862 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,080 David. Oh yeah, good. 863 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,480 That was definitely not on the set list. 864 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,240 But no, it was not. I feel like this is an easy 865 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:44,240 answer. For me, too easy. 866 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:45,920 For me too, yeah. Because you guys are both SC 867 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,080 training. Yeah, we are. 868 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,280 Not necessarily. Oh, I am. 869 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,040 It's so much. It's cheaper. 870 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,760 It performs basically the same. It has a plate and the other one 871 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680 doesn't have a plate. And I'm not pro plate, but I'm 872 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,040 saying the flexibility is about the same because of that Eva rim 873 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,720 from the from the hyper. So I feel like they're so 874 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,200 similar that it's like I'm going to take the cheaper option all 875 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,560 day long. The the hyper is a little bit 876 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,640 more stable. But that's my pick. 877 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,280 Keep it short, someone else give your answer. 878 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,720 I think the upper fits me a little bit better on the SC 879 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,040 trainer. That's another good point. 880 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,600 I think the upper in the Cloud Monster Hyper can just be a 881 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,960 little bit bunchy in the mid foot and sometimes my foot kind 882 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,280 of rubs the side of the the forefoot on the some of the 883 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,360 longer efforts. I really love the consistent 884 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,960 easy ride of the Cloud Monster Hyper. 885 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,600 I think for just just beating up miles, I really, really like it. 886 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,800 But I do think the SU Trainer is just a little bit more 887 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,640 versatile. I have noticed on some runs 888 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,600 where like maybe towards the end you just kind of naturally start 889 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,120 picking up the pace a little bit. 890 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,480 It has a little bit more balance and a little bit more snappiness 891 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,560 to it. Traction on it's a little bit 892 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,040 better. I think I just like the the easy 893 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,600 shuffling part of the cloud monster hyper for what I use it 894 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,880 for. I like that better. 895 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,760 But I think if I can only choose one, I might lean towards the 896 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,240 trainer. Like you said, it's it's 20 897 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,680 bucks, 20 bucks cheaper, right? 180 versus 200 give or take. 898 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,640 I'm going to double check. Yeah. 899 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,120 But either way, I mean, I again, I, I like to be a versatility 900 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,440 guy, unless obviously we have the luxury of getting some of 901 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,080 those shoes for free. And I think you really just have 902 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,000 to ask yourself the question of what you're going to use the 903 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,000 shoe for. The Hyper's 220. 220 and that's 904 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,200 pretty steep. So it's a $40 difference. 905 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,040 So I think I probably do give the nod to the SC trainer, even 906 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,120 though I like the easy ride of the Cloud Monster Hyper better. 907 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,480 So as a pure just mileage training shoe, I probably would 908 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,840 lean Hyper. But I think in the grand scheme 909 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,280 of things, if I could only buy one, I would probably lean SC 910 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,280 Trainer. Cool. 911 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,400 All right, next question you. Just really wanted to get that 912 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,080 out of me. That's what that was. 913 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,280 I just really wanted to pry it out of me. 914 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,280 I did. I kind of have to every single 915 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,840 time we record together, just make you say something about 916 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,880 that shoe. All right, the next question is 917 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,800 this. Or that you can only race 5 KS 918 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,400 ever again or marathons ever again. 919 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,600 You only get one or the other. I'm taking this one 5K easy 920 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,560 hands down. I I feel like after our previous 921 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,840 conversation that was coming. Easy, Yeah. 922 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,600 Do you want to elaborate or or? I mean, no elaboration needed. 923 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,160 I'll, I'll elaborate. It's going to be the same things 924 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,600 I've said before. I I've just always loved the 5K 925 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,480 distance. To be fair, it's like the first 926 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,520 race that I ever actually did when I was before cross country 927 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,440 or anything like that. And I really enjoy being able to 928 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,840 run really hard for that period. Like just like just seeing where 929 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,280 your limits are within a short period speed wise is really 930 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,800 attractive to someone who is not, I mean relatively was not 931 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,360 gifted with with speed as a young child and had to really 932 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,640 find it and work on it and continue to explore something 933 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,000 that's not my strength, whereas endurance really is. 934 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,920 It's just something that I like and I think from again, looking 935 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,280 at what my research looks at like longevity wise, working on 936 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,080 things that are a little faster, a little speedier, right? 937 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,400 Like you tend to have better, you know, longevity and health 938 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,800 and function, especially with power. 939 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,760 So that for me 5K also, I, I like having things done in like 940 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,480 in the past it used to be 14 1/2 minutes, Now it's, you know, 17 941 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,040 minutes, but I like that versus having to wait like 2:00 to 942 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,240 3:00. Hours for it to be over. 943 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,400 What do you got, David? I'm going to go 5K man. 5 KS are 944 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,240 fun. Well no. 945 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:47,760 So OK there's a caveat to that. 55 KS when they go well, are 946 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,480 fun. They can be the most miserable 3 947 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,720 miles if you're. Lying. 948 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,600 They really can. If you don't go out but but it's 949 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,400 over quick right? Like that's The thing is you can 950 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,160 rip the bandit off. OK, didn't go my way. 951 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,920 Give it two weeks and run another one, you know, like, if 952 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,600 you really want to where I feel like the marathon, Yeah. 953 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,880 He just beats the crap out of you, man. 954 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,440 And that's to say, like, when it goes well, it's good, too. 955 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,800 But like, you're still, like I said earlier, your soul leaves 956 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,600 your body like you're, you're you're in shambles. 957 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,680 You know, I remember the last time when I ran what? 958 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,680 No go, go. I've got a comment afterwards. 959 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,800 I've got a a hot take to that I'm going to take a shot at and 960 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,440 cause some problems. But I remember like, I don't 961 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,320 know, I feel like, and maybe I just haven't run fast enough in 962 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,800 the marathon to truly experienced that yet. 963 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,480 But like I feel like when you come off of a good 5K like and a 964 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000 lot of those races are closer just cause the distances are 965 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,800 shorter. And like if you win a 5K and you 966 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,760 out kick someone and you do it and you're like, wow, that was a 967 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,160 cool close. Like you're riding a high. 968 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,680 Like you're like, wow, that was awesome. 969 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,000 You guys see that? That was cool. 970 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,840 You know, like I don't really get that at the end of a 971 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,760 marathon. Even in the one I podiumed on, 972 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,960 like I was still just like, like, oh, OK, that was, that was 973 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960 good. Yeah, that was good. 974 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,760 You want to get breakfast? I I, I don't know if I can eat 975 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:12,720 it, but I can try. Like, I feel like, I don't know, 976 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,560 like not to hate on the marathon. 977 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,400 I actually do like the marathon. I think it's nice in its own 978 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,440 way. You don't have to get off the 979 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,160 line quite as hard. Positioning is not quite as 980 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,240 important. There's usually a pack around. 981 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,880 You can kind of just work your way down the course and the warm 982 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,400 ups like a mile versus like probably 5K and strides and 983 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,800 drills and you know, like, so it's, it's different. 984 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,000 They're just different races. But I think if I had to choose 985 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,880 one, I think the five KS are fun. 986 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,720 I wish I was better at them, to be completely honest. 987 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,120 I, I think I can still go faster. 988 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,920 I know I can still go faster like for sure, but I, I don't, 989 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,520 it's hard to get yourself into good 5K shape. 990 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,640 I think is the thing. I can pretty much always keep 991 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,600 myself around 15 minute shape, but like to truly go under like 992 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,200 1430 or like go like every 10 seconds, like means something in 993 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,960 that race. It feels like every or maybe 994 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,520 every 15 seconds and like you're working so hard for so little of 995 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,960 time. But again, it's so little of 996 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,560 time. So it's done, it's quick, it's 997 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,040 over, You're excited or not excited, but then you get 998 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,240 another crack at it where I feel like the marathon it's it's hard 999 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:24,520 on you for even when it goes good, it's hard on you and you 1000 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,520 only can do a couple a year really like I it's like you 1001 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,160 don't get to really experience it that often. 1002 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,120 Unless you're Ben Johnson, you can just do them every week. 1003 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,720 Unless you're Ben Johnson. Yeah, or, or you're one of the 1004 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,520 marathon maniacs that does it. Or showing every weekend. 1005 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,680 Yeah. Matt. 1006 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,480 What you did was crazy. What's your caveat, Matt? 1007 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,520 I'm gonna do my my hot take and I would like to see this change, 1008 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,120 but I feel like the majority of the population can run a 1009 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,400 marathon and you see all this stuff all people like, like, oh, 1010 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,320 like I went couch to marathon and I didn't do any training and 1011 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,600 I still made it like I think the human body is very good at 1012 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880 endurance efforts. Like we are endurance machines. 1013 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,960 Look at the insane I. Feel like the evidence is not 1014 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,120 there for that, but keep going. Yeah, I was fine, but look at 1015 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,280 how many. People, I don't think it's a hot 1016 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,480 take. 22300 mile races, like people can just keep going and I 1017 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,000 think that a lot of people, not everyone, but I think a greater 1018 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,080 percent of the population can definitely finish a marathon 1019 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,760 compared to running a fast 5K. Like a fast 5K is a rare thing 1020 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,520 to do. Not that it that most people 1021 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,320 care. People just find that I don't. 1022 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,000 Know, like I think that's going to be. 1023 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,560 I'm not. Going to. 1024 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,720 Define a time. I'm going to say people 1025 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:39,440 understanding what it's like to run like that, like 95 to 100% 1026 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,680 effort. That's not something people do. 1027 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,320 A lot of people don't understand what it means to run hard. 1028 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,480 They know what it means to jog and like run a consistent pace 1029 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,320 so they can keep going for. But to teach someone to go, you 1030 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,640 are going to produce power. You're going to be going into a 1031 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,800 zone for a very short period of time where you forget what your 1032 00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,720 name is. I feel like people don't do 1033 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,600 that. I don't know and so I feel like. 1034 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,960 Maybe we should have made this 1500 versus marathon. 1035 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,440 Well, yeah, because, OK, here's where I don't agree because 1036 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,280 that's. That's pure. 1037 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,800 Yeah, it's a hot, it's a hot take. 1038 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,080 I think why people should do it. Here's why I think people should 1039 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,080 go crush a 5K and see what it's because most people don't know 1040 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,600 how to actually run really hard for a like for that. 1041 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,200 One, here's some premises that I disagree with on your hot take. 1042 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,240 What is that most people can run a marathon. 1043 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,200 The just the statistics on the number of people who have ran a 1044 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,360 marathon versus not is just like there's so few people that have 1045 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,640 that have done it in like in compare. 1046 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,400 So I'm just saying like we don't know that just, oh, anybody can 1047 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,320 go do it, but I don't think we know that. 1048 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,280 I'm not. I'm not saying anybody, I'm 1049 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,440 saying a lot more people can go run a marathon then can go run a 1050 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,720 fast 5K. But that's what I'm saying. 1051 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,560 This is my second premise that I disagree with. 1052 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,520 Like fast for them is so like nebulous too, because like 1053 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,880 effort, like putting in super hard effort could get somebody a 1054 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,640 30 minute 5K, which is going to be like in that 95% for their 1055 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,800 current fitness level. Like it's going to take them to 1056 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,640 the edge. But I think that 5K and marathon 1057 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,120 from a physiological standpoint are both like mostly aerobic. 1058 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,960 I think it changes if you go into like less than an 800, then 1059 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,800 you're like basically all anaerobic. 1060 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,920 So that's where I think the system difference is there and 1061 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,280 might. And you said 1500 David too. 1062 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680 I feel like the the hot take would have to be just like 1063 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,360 spread apart a little bit more. But my my pick by by the way, 1064 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,360 not that it matters that much is marathon, mainly because I don't 1065 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,240 think I have that much potential in either. 1066 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,920 But there's certain extrinsic goals that would be fun for me 1067 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,960 to shoot for with the marathon for the rest of my life, like 1068 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,080 Boston qualifying. Whereas with the 5K, I'm in this 1069 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,520 like Gray zone of being just kind of like there's really 1070 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,360 nothing, no reason to get faster at the 5K for me from an 1071 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,480 extrinsic standpoint. And intrinsically, I don't like 1072 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960 doing that as much as I like getting out and just like having 1073 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,280 a lot of time on my feet, which actually is brings us to the 1074 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,160 next this or that. I'm going to keep moving us 1075 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:13,240 forward, which is you can only Rd. run or only trail run ever 1076 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,000 again in your life, including races. 1077 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,400 Road run. On trail. 1078 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,880 Not me. Are we including cross country? 1079 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,120 You're, you're, you're including racing in this. 1080 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,520 I, I mean, when, when I've like had to race downhill against 1081 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,000 people that actually raise trails. 1082 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,640 I don't know if I'm willing to send it that hard. 1083 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,320 You know what I mean? Like like I, I'd like, I get 1084 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,680 like it gets to a genuine point of fear where I'm like, and I 1085 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,160 get when people get addicted to it for some of those reasons. 1086 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,800 But like, I, I don't know, man. I mean, like if I'm just going 1087 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,800 out and like lolly lolly LA running trails, it's beautiful. 1088 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,680 It's great. I can take in the scenes. 1089 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,800 I can take photos, do some munchies, but you said and race. 1090 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,360 Yeah, but racing, Racing Trail for me is like Ladi Ladi La A 1091 00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,760 50K, Ladi Ladi La A 50 miles. 50K they get down man. 1092 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,160 No, but I would. I would race it Ladi La and have 1093 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,800 some pizza. You know, like that would be my 1094 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,120 that would be my trail. So I'm trail David's road. 1095 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,640 That's awesome. Matt, what are you? 1096 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,080 I would say Rd. only because the only time I've ever thought I 1097 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,720 was legitimately going to die was during a trail race. 1098 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,200 It was the mount No I'm and I'm dead serious. 1099 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,680 So as Mount Baldy run to the top, it's it was the first time 1100 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,200 I've ever had to walk doing a race. 1101 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,320 And then that course for anybody that's run it, it's a great 1102 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,480 course if you like that, if you like long, I love long climbs. 1103 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,080 But that humbled me more than anything. 1104 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,920 I think what was scary is like once you get to like Devil's 1105 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,120 background, like some of the areas where like the trail is 1106 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,040 this wide and I go, I'm getting tired enough that I missed that 1107 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,040 I could easily die up here. That was really scary. 1108 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,240 So I think it's out of respect. I love trails. 1109 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,640 I grew up on them, But if I had to only choose one to race, I'd 1110 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,880 probably pick Rd. Awesome. 1111 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,600 All right. Our next our next this or that 1112 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,760 is rock like moderately stiff rocker soled shoes versus 1113 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,920 flexible 4 foot shoes for daily miles. 1114 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,800 I think I'm just going to go moderately stiff for me, but 1115 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,680 that's partially anecdotally for my own foot and the history I 1116 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:19,040 have, yeah, it's just a little bit nicer on my Achilles and 1117 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,880 calves and foot. So I probably would just lean 1118 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,400 that way for right now. But for speed stuff, I actually 1119 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,640 like things to be a little bit more flexible, like the Cyclone. 1120 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,560 Yeah, like I actually do. And Canvaras are great. 1121 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,400 Like I I like having a little bit more of a flexible push off. 1122 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,600 But again, it's not for quite as many miles. 1123 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,280 It's not quite as, yeah, the volume's just not quite as much 1124 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,520 there. Matt, what do you think? 1125 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,960 My Achilles tendons are doing pretty good right now, so I'd 1126 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,960 say for the moment probably something a little more 1127 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,560 flexible, but that obviously depends on how my life 1128 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,200 progresses and if you ask just for general population will 1129 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,240 depend on what's happening. But so far, Achilles are feeling 1130 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,440 great right now and I have good tone mobility, so I'm going to 1131 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,280 say a little more flexible, but that might change a little bit. 1132 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,600 So we'll see what happens, yeah. I, I think from a experiential 1133 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,200 comfort standpoint, I love a moderately stiff rocker for 1134 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,560 daily miles. It just, I feel like I can get 1135 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,360 rhythm a little bit easier. I think when I think about like, 1136 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,440 what ideally would I be running in, it would probably be 1137 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,360 something with some flexibility that like forces me to use all 1138 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,040 of the motion that my body like has, or at least a little bit 1139 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,960 more. But I think I would pick a 1140 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,520 moderately stiff rocker sole, not a plated shoe, not anything 1141 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,800 like super stick. Cloud Monster Hyper. 1142 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,120 See, yeah, that I but I wouldn't choose that. 1143 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,960 I wouldn't choose that for my daily trainer. 1144 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,160 I'm thinking more like Triumph 22, which has a little bit of 1145 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,160 more flexibility. Let me just think of that. 1146 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,040 Check, check, check and check. Man, David was waiting for that. 1147 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,400 He was just like, I've got this. Back up this down. 1148 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,480 All right, here we go. We have three more questions. 1149 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,680 Two of them are real and one of them is not. 1150 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,880 We're going to start with the non real question, get it out of 1151 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,400 the way and then we'll get in. Well, it's a real question that 1152 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,480 I'm going to have you answer, but we don't have to spend a lot 1153 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,280 of time on it. And it's this or that. 1154 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,480 LeBron James or Caitlin Clark is more likely to Boston qualify 1155 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,240 with this, with only six months of training starting today. 1156 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,840 I should have been paying more attention to the the chat this 1157 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,480 week response to this. I saw this in periphery. 1158 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,320 This is my first week at George Fox and then finishing it at 1159 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,680 West Coast. And I was like, I saw these 1160 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,880 messages going, you know what? Something's telling me I should 1161 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,720 be paying more attention. I just don't. 1162 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,320 I know who they are, thank you very much. 1163 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,400 But. I'm picking, I know. 1164 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,320 Enough about their training and athletic like ability. 1165 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,520 I know who they are, but I don't follow this enough to like 1166 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,720 really know their athletic abilities and training well. 1167 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,040 I'm picking. Taylor I know is they're just 1168 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,920 both amazing athletes. That they are. 1169 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:56,720 That's why they're. Getting talked about. 1170 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,920 I'm picking Caitlin. I also, I just don't think 1171 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,360 LeBron, would Boston qualify. I don't think he has a chance 1172 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,840 within six months. Oh no, man. 1173 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,560 What do you pick, David? Who do you pick? 1174 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,320 We don't want to spend too much time on this, but who? 1175 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,520 Do you? I know, I know, I know. 1176 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,600 I think I might go with Braun, man, he's got a life of 1177 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,400 experience. He's got he's also turning 40, 1178 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,680 right? Like so when, when the 1179 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,680 qualifying time goes around for him, it's going to be slower. 1180 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,640 So you're asking either what, 3 tennis for him versus A330 for 1181 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,000 Caitlin? And it's like not to say that 1182 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,360 they're both amazing. I think you give them the 1183 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,000 opportunity and the training to do it. 1184 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,160 I think they both hit it. You know, I'm not saying that 1185 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,280 they're it's one or the other, but I think I just have a little 1186 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,520 bit more faith. I don't know. 1187 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,040 Bron takes care of his body. He goes hard, he trains. 1188 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,160 Like I think the guy is enough of a madman to make it happen. 1189 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,400 I'm not a, you know, that's not me as a like LeBron fan per SE. 1190 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,600 But I just think like knowing the amount of effort that he 1191 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,640 does put into the ancillary stuff for basketball, I think he 1192 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,520 can blend, bleed that over given all the same resources into 1193 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,040 running and make it happen. It's just because you're both in 1194 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,000 Socal right now. All right, let's move on to the 1195 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:09,880 next question. I. 1196 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,200 Didn't get the. Answer. 1197 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,200 Oh, sorry. Yeah, I know. 1198 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,160 What the heck, man? I'm I'm gonna OK, so here's 1199 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,040 here's my justification based on my So what? 1200 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:25,120 What injuries has Caitlin had? I don't think anything major in 1201 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,400 the last couple of years at least. 1202 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,280 I'd have to go and look that one up. 1203 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,840 So I I know that. She really came to fame the last 1204 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:31,760 couple years. Yeah. 1205 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,520 So I'm going to go with Caitlin only because like my limited 1206 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,200 knowledge of knowing Lebron's extensive injury history and 1207 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,080 longevity and being able to complete the training, complete 1208 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,440 the marathon, at least doing, you know, the BQ, I'm go with 1209 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,920 Caitlin for that reason. I think there is a much higher 1210 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,280 injury risk because the the biggest risk for an injury is a 1211 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,160 previous history of them and adding something new. 1212 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,760 I don't. Think Brown's had anything? 1213 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,360 Major couple players. He's been one of the most 1214 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,200 durable guys. I thought he's had like Achilles 1215 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,840 stuff and like repeated ankle sprains and. 1216 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,400 I mean, basketball, yeah. It's basketball, Yeah, I mean, 1217 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,120 but like I've he's never been out for he's. 1218 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,760 Spent a period of time he's never been. 1219 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,920 Out like Steph Curry's had more injuries than Brown by far. 1220 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,000 That's fair, but I would also. I would also argue that because. 1221 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,160 The extent. Yeah, the the longevity that 1222 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,400 he's had in his career. We know that being a pro athlete 1223 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,840 is not good for your health. That when you finish, a lot of 1224 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,240 those individuals typically have like very difficult second parts 1225 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,000 of their lives because they they push their bodies to the limit. 1226 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,560 I would say Caitlin being younger, having less time doing 1227 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,360 that that I think I'm going to put the her as my. 1228 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,600 It's a great pick. It's a great pick I'm going to 1229 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,240 keep. Liking at me I like. 1230 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,480 I had like. 30 seconds to go research this and come up with 1231 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,040 the hypothesis. Like even want to. 1232 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,760 We don't. We, we, we, we don't care about 1233 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,760 longevity here. It's about getting a job done. 1234 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,560 They could be unheard of. That possibly can be by the end 1235 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:02,480 of it. All right here. 1236 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,760 It's just a matter. Of I don't think a blonde can 1237 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,360 get through it. That's that's what I'm saying. 1238 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,800 We're fresh off the Olympics. We're fresh off the Olympics and 1239 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,560 you have the option of this or that. 1240 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,080 You either medal in three Olympic traffic track events 1241 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,600 with no gold. You've you competed in three and 1242 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,040 medal in three or you compete in three. 1243 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,120 You get gold in one and no medal in the other two. 1244 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,280 I mean, the whole reason why you go there is to win a gold. 1245 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,040 So gold you want to be the best on the planet for your given 1246 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,760 event on that day. Gold. 1247 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,120 Yeah. I'm not in the business of 1248 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,000 counting how many medals I have. Matt, what do you got? 1249 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,400 I'd be. I'd be happy with either one to 1250 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,240 be honest. Exactly like I mean, obviously. 1251 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,480 I don't care, honestly. Give me either either and or 1252 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,000 like, I don't. Yeah, I'll take either one. 1253 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,200 Thank you. I thought the question was going 1254 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,720 to be run like 1 gold one race or medal in three. 1255 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,360 I thought that was going to be the question. 1256 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,840 Would that be harder for you? No, I'd still be the same 1257 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,120 answer, but it. But the reason would be a little 1258 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,640 bit different because in that situation, the amount of pain 1259 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:16,120 you have to go through for three medals is not the amount of 1260 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,920 racing you have to go through to do that. 1261 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:19,200 Think about it. Insane. 1262 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,640 I'm thinking about like what Stephane did is amazing. 1263 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,080 I know. Yeah, well, what she did was 1264 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,280 insane. Like. 1265 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,400 But she got her gold too, which is. 1266 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,360 Yeah, yeah, no, like what she was able to do is like mind 1267 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,800 blowing. It truly is. 1268 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,960 But like, the amount of pain that woman has had to go through 1269 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,000 over the course of that week, I can't even imagine. 1270 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,720 Like what? Her body was feeling like versus 1271 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,040 like, go run one race, get a gold, go home. 1272 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,080 That sounds pretty nice. That sounds better to me. 1273 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,960 I would choose that one so I don't have to run like because 1274 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,160 again, if you're talking track events, you're either doing the 1275 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,400 marathon, which is horrible, or you're doing like if you're 1276 01:04:53,400 --> 01:05:00,840 doing 15, 5K10K, if you're doing that combo, there's a lot of 1277 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,200 prelims and semifinals, so you gotta you. 1278 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,240 Gotta get through five. So that's that's a lot. 1279 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,520 So I would six race, I'd rather do the one gold medal just to be 1280 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,280 like okay, good, I'm done, let me go home. 1281 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,000 And maybe 4 fifteens if you don't get the auto because now 1282 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,040 they have the replicas or whatever. 1283 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,000 They call that, Yeah, that's fair. 1284 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,800 That's really hard. All kudos. 1285 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,920 George Mills had to do that from the UK. 1286 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,160 If you're listening to this, my guy, that was a heroic Olympics 1287 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,280 and I did see you out there. That was amazing. 1288 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,000 And he fell twice, I think. So Dave and I are choosing the 1289 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,320 gold because it sat to it to it. Not that it's any easier, just 1290 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,080 sounds less to like. You're still racing all three 1291 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,680 events though, yeah? You're still racing, but I think 1292 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,440 even in this situation of racing all three, I still go gold 1293 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,440 because the whole reason you go there is to get a gold. 1294 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,480 So I'm the I'm the same. OK, we have our last this or 1295 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,280 that of the night. This one is structured a little 1296 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,680 bit differently. We're going to talk about if you 1297 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:03,120 this or that you have to pick your top two starter running 1298 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,880 shoes from this list. So if you're a new runner and 1299 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,240 you had to recommend like, oh, these are the two shoes that I 1300 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,880 would get that you got to pick from this list. 1301 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,240 So the Nike Pegasus, Brooks Ghost, Saucony Ride, New Balance 1302 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,400 880A6, Cumulus, Mizuno Rave Rider. 1303 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,200 So you get to pick two of those, two of those from that list to 1304 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,120 choose as this or that, the shoes that you would pick for 1305 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:33,840 new runners. I would choose Squirtle and oh, 1306 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,640 we're talking about shoes. Sorry, I thought we started 1307 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,200 Pokémon too. I would I would choose 1308 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,120 personally the 880 and I like that shoe because it is in a 1309 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,040 good way is so boring. It is such a boring shoe. 1310 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,600 It's got a good balance of like just let you get used to running 1311 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,360 what. A New Balance? 1312 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,520 I mean not all of them are boring but poor team. 1313 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:02,600 New Balance, you guys do a good job. 1314 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,600 You said a, you said a good. Balance out there just. 1315 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,880 What? You said a good balance and I 1316 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,160 said a New Balance. It was a bad joke. 1317 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,760 Let's move forward. Sorry, the 8 the 880 is a really 1318 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,960 solid shoe. It's got it's it's almost stable 1319 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,320 neutral, but not anything that's getting the way of your foot 1320 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,120 just allows you to roll along some good, like a good amount of 1321 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,280 room without being too voluminous or too narrow. 1322 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,920 It's it's got a like a little bit of that Goldilocks feel for 1323 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,600 people that are just getting into running the other shoe. 1324 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,160 I'd probably choose what are the options again? 1325 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,240 Ride. Ride Ghost, Pegasus, Cumulus and 1326 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,080 Rider. Probably the probably the rider, 1327 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,000 but that's because I'm biased because I have a lot of Mizuno 1328 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:52,560 experience. Yeah, between the rider and 1329 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,880 maybe the ride. I'm gonna go with the rider and 1330 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,360 the ride. Oh interesting, why so both of 1331 01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:01,680 y'all? Picked. 1332 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,840 I almost went peg. What are your Why those David? 1333 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,880 It's, it's your, it's your squirrel. 1334 01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,160 You know, it's, I'm, I'm being dead serious though. 1335 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,200 Like if you're breaking down, like within Pokémon, there's a 1336 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,560 bunch of different types and the variability of the different 1337 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,880 things that you can teach it, learn it, yada, yada. 1338 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,279 Beyond the conversation, but the amount of different types of 1339 01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,680 moves that a squirrel can learn across it's lifetime, By the 1340 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,960 time it's a Blastoise, when you get to those ice types and 1341 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,120 things, you can do a little bit of everything. 1342 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,240 That's where I'm going with this. 1343 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,920 And you take out a little bit of everything and I feel like the 1344 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,600 wave rider gives you a nice blend of being boring, but can 1345 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,520 also be responsive. And you can actually do some 1346 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,279 workouts in that shoe. And it even though it's flexible 1347 01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,880 in the forefoot, there's enough snap from the little. 1348 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,479 All Mizunos are plated. Well, that's that's a lie. 1349 01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,960 Not all of them are. A good chunk of Mizunos are 1350 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:55,000 plated and wave horizon doesn't have plate or Wavesky. 1351 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,680 I could see you thinking over there, but the, but a good 1352 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,279 majority of the Mizuno shoes have a plate. 1353 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,560 They always have. That's been that way forever. 1354 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,080 But it's a little bit of a stiffer shoe, little bit more 1355 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,600 stable, neutral for those that might need just a little bit of 1356 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,000 guidance and some of that stuff there. 1357 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,439 I think historically that has been a good starter shoe for a 1358 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,439 lot of people, including myself. I think I, I got to really think 1359 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,640 about that one. But I mean, I definitely had a 1360 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,520 rider on my feet at some point when I was younger. 1361 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,040 So riders there, Saucony rides always been around too. 1362 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,760 I mean, they're on the 17th iteration. 1363 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,319 It only edged out the peg just by a little bit for me, mainly 1364 01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:37,840 because of some of the versatility and the the foam. 1365 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,600 Yeah. I think it's just you're able to 1366 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,479 take it a little bit further, a little bit faster. 1367 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,359 But Peg, you can lifestyle a little bit more. 1368 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:50,399 But can you teach Squirtle fly? No, but you can give it Ice Beam 1369 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,960 and I would argue any I. Can't teach any like. 1370 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,280 Could you teach a cut? Could like any of the like the 1371 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,680 HM moves that are helpful in the like. 1372 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,960 No HM move is helpful. Yeah, surf. 1373 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,840 Surf is actually an HM that is helpful because it hits hard. 1374 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,640 Right, fine, and. Maybe if you don't. 1375 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,000 If you give your starter cut, you're screwing yourself because 1376 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,040 you can't take it off. Yeah, I mean. 1377 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:15,880 But if you. Teach it fly. 1378 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,040 That's great because now at Overwrite you can go way more 1379 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,440 places you can go and surf. There's better flying options. 1380 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,320 You're thinking like Charizard anyway. 1381 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,360 I'm thinking super effective, like the amount of things you 1382 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,240 can honestly. Flying is more cool than 1383 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,040 surfing, just just just like. Yeah, yeah. 1384 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,800 I mean no young me was Charizard all the way Charmander, but I 1385 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,240 think older me thinking about from a from a usage and utility 1386 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,320 standpoint. I wonder if BJ is going to keep 1387 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,560 this or edit this out. We're going to find out. 1388 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:48,400 I will give my answer though, and I'm going to say the Saucony 1389 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,120 ride and the New Balance 880, Those I think are great options. 1390 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,960 Matt, I agree with you on the 880. 1391 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,280 Very simple construction. And I think if you're somebody 1392 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,600 who's getting into running and you're not sure how much you're 1393 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,160 going to do it, I think that there's two shoes on this list 1394 01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,480 that are great for both running but also just like standing 1395 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,040 around going for walks. And I think that's the 880 and 1396 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,560 the Berks Ghost. The reason why I picked the 880 1397 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,960 over the Ghost is I think that for running, the heel battle is 1398 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,880 a little bit better on the 880 and it's a little bit more 1399 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,360 moderate drop, so you're not pitched as much. 1400 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,400 So that's why I picked the 880 over the Ghost. 1401 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,800 And then my other one to recommend was one that has some 1402 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,520 versatility to it. So for that I was between the 1403 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,960 ride and the Pegasus because at the Peg I think does a pretty 1404 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,720 nice job picking up a little bit into some slight tempos and I 1405 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,000 think the ride can do that too. The rider was also on that list 1406 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,800 a little bit. But the reason I went with the 1407 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,160 ride over the Pegasus was because it is a little bit more 1408 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,200 structured and stable under foot versus the Pegasus narrows out 1409 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,160 in the midfoot. So I picked the Ride in the 880. 1410 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,920 The issue with the Cumulus is that not that they changed the 1411 01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,480 geometry, I think they did a great job with the new geometry 1412 01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:02,760 of this newest model. I love it. 1413 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,680 I think it differentiated itself from the Nimbus, but they got 1414 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,720 rid of the rubber outsole. So it's like if you're going to 1415 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,720 go into training and you want to workhorse, I feel like why? 1416 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,640 Why would you get rid of that rubber outsole to save a little 1417 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,360 bit of weight on a trainer? And I know some people like that 1418 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,280 rubberized DVA feel. I'm one of them. 1419 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,560 But if I was a new runner, I wouldn't pick that as my 1420 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,200 starting one. So that's why I went with 880 1421 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,200 and the Saucony ride. All right everybody, thank you 1422 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,920 for joining us on the this or that journey that we just went 1423 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,120 on. We always have a good time 1424 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,040 getting together and so if we get long winded, we apologize, 1425 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,800 but we this is a great time for us to spend time with each other 1426 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,920 as well. So thanks for being a part of 1427 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,040 the doctors running family. We think that y'all are awesome 1428 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,760 and are thankful for your contributions to what we do 1429 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,720 because all of these are spurred on by your ideas. 1430 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,960 Matt, you have something before we wrap things up fully. 1431 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,120 Yeah, I'm not sorry for being long weighted. 1432 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,320 Just want to clear that and put that out there. 1433 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,920 My other my other hot take cause like how many times can I shock 1434 01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,680 or offend our audiences today? That's amazing. 1435 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,920 All right, well, thanks again. If you want to be reaching out 1436 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,840 to us, you can e-mail us at doctorsofrunning@gmail.com. 1437 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,040 You can also be commenting below if you are on YouTube. 1438 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,600 Yes, David, what do you want to say? 1439 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,480 Please be another hot take, David, please. 1440 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,640 No, just just another subjective for anyone out there. 1441 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,880 Does anyone pick Venusaur or Bulbasaur, you know, as your 1442 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,920 starter? Because I've seen in some 1443 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,240 competitive play, like people can use it really, really well, 1444 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,160 but I feel like you have to really know what you're doing. 1445 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,560 Yeah, I feel like most people just don't choose it. 1446 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,200 But is there anyone out there that does? 1447 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,240 That's my subjective that I'm adding on there for. 1448 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,120 Bulbasaur. I need the why too. 1449 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,400 Because and why? Yeah, yes, like that. 1450 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:51,480 Is that your choice? And why? 1451 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,760 Attack power for Charizard is insane. 1452 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,040 The defensive like no defeat power, yeah, but the defensive 1453 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,360 HP power of blastoids is insane. So you kind of have like. 1454 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,520 These two so. It's like, what do you want 1455 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,160 ball? What do you want, Vitas or four? 1456 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,200 And how are you it kind? Of pretty hard. 1457 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,080 No, and I like them. I'm not against. 1458 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,320 I just I would want to know what you're rounding out your six 1459 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,120 with. Yeah, and also if anybody is 1460 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,320 listening to this and is like a new age Pokémon player, that's 1461 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,640 not what we're about. We basically are like the OG 1462 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,520 like blue and red version. Game. 1463 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,760 I don't know, I played Scarlet. Oh, did you? 1464 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,440 Yeah. You're the youngest. 1465 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,120 Yeah, that makes sense. I'm wrapping it up. 1466 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,280 We are not adding anything else. Thank you for joining us. 1467 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:34,640 We'll talk to you all next time.