1 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,059 Hello everybody and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast, 2 00:00:12,059 --> 00:00:15,067 where we, a group of Doctors of Physical Therapy, Discuss the 3 00:00:15,067 --> 00:00:17,455 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 4 00:00:17,455 --> 00:00:19,704 feet. Today at the round table, we 5 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:22,798 have Dr. Matthew Klein, Dr. David Salas and myself. 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,254 I'm Nathan Brown, and we are always so thankful for Rabbit 7 00:00:27,254 --> 00:00:29,188 Apparel. They have been our presenting 8 00:00:29,188 --> 00:00:31,018 sponsor of this podcast this year. 9 00:00:31,019 --> 00:00:34,139 And as we started talking about last week. 10 00:00:34,140 --> 00:00:37,884 We are so excited that we are finally dropping our 1st line of 11 00:00:37,884 --> 00:00:41,046 Doctors of Running Apparel that we're excited for people to be 12 00:00:41,046 --> 00:00:44,777 able to run in and Rabbit has really been the people who have 13 00:00:44,777 --> 00:00:48,118 been able to make that happen. So huge thanks to them. 14 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:51,317 And if you're wanting to get into any of the stuff that we're 15 00:00:51,317 --> 00:00:54,023 getting from them, we're having the EZT short sleeve, the EZT 16 00:00:54,023 --> 00:00:56,483 long sleeve, and then the Go-To Hoodie, that'll have branded 17 00:00:56,483 --> 00:00:59,724 doctors of running stuff on it. If you're wanting to get that 18 00:00:59,724 --> 00:01:02,658 stuff, you can order through the pre-sale, which is happening 19 00:01:02,658 --> 00:01:06,467 from June 3rd to June 17th, and then the gear will then ship 20 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:09,539 after that the week of July 6th. So we're thrilled. 21 00:01:09,540 --> 00:01:13,056 This is some of our favorite gear of theirs and they're some 22 00:01:13,056 --> 00:01:15,977 of our favorite gear period. So this is super exciting for 23 00:01:15,977 --> 00:01:19,622 us, and we hope that you all are excited to reach out to us with 24 00:01:19,622 --> 00:01:22,538 any questions, but we're excited to get it open and launch set. 25 00:01:22,538 --> 00:01:25,558 You can get your hands on it. Definitely. 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,257 I will say too, just personally. I've been a big fan of the EZT 27 00:01:29,257 --> 00:01:31,179 material for years. It's something that I've worn 28 00:01:31,179 --> 00:01:33,778 for both running and for just relaxing and kicking back. 29 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:37,874 I've got, I mean, shoot, I've got so many now at this point in 30 00:01:37,874 --> 00:01:40,601 different colors. Um, but yeah, it's been a 31 00:01:40,601 --> 00:01:44,528 staple, you know, uh, but I'm actually, I'm really excited for 32 00:01:44,528 --> 00:01:48,090 this collection because I think those 2 materials in general, 33 00:01:48,090 --> 00:01:50,938 the EZT and the Go-To material as well. 34 00:01:50,939 --> 00:01:53,999 The Go-To Crew and the Go-To Hoodie that we have, like, and 35 00:01:53,999 --> 00:01:57,052 the Go-To Hoodie will be the DOR released one, but the material 36 00:01:57,052 --> 00:01:59,338 on the inner part of that is so nice. 37 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:01,498 I find myself wearing it like all the time. 38 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:04,177 Now that it's going closer to the summer months, I probably 39 00:02:04,177 --> 00:02:05,878 won't be wearing it quite as much. 40 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:10,025 But the EZT material I will be. But I already, like, obviously 41 00:02:10,025 --> 00:02:14,069 we got seated our apparel for this launch, but I will actually 42 00:02:14,069 --> 00:02:18,442 be personally buying another set of each of these, I like it that 43 00:02:18,442 --> 00:02:21,308 much. So I don't take it for what it's 44 00:02:21,308 --> 00:02:24,778 what it's worth, I guess, but I will be purchasing alongside 45 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:28,498 y'all in the pre-sale. Um, as a member of DOR. 46 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:30,939 So yeah. I'm doing the same thing 47 00:02:30,939 --> 00:02:31,978 actually. Yeah. 48 00:02:31,979 --> 00:02:35,698 I'm pretty, I'm, I'm excited. It's just a fun. 49 00:02:35,699 --> 00:02:39,419 It's a fun thing that I think if we take down kind of the 4th 50 00:02:39,419 --> 00:02:42,143 wall for us, hopefully you just feel that we're just as 51 00:02:42,143 --> 00:02:45,619 authentic as we always are. But this is the kind of stuff 52 00:02:45,619 --> 00:02:48,179 that felt kind of funny dreams early on. 53 00:02:48,180 --> 00:02:51,048 Like, it's not even stuff that we thought about because we were 54 00:02:51,048 --> 00:02:53,677 really just doing our thing and enjoying doing it together as 55 00:02:53,677 --> 00:02:56,545 friends, and I feel like we're still doing it the exact same 56 00:02:56,545 --> 00:02:59,651 way that we have for the last, however many, wow, like 7 years 57 00:02:59,651 --> 00:03:02,374 now that we've been doing this. So we're just thankful for 58 00:03:02,374 --> 00:03:04,438 everyone who's been on this journey with us. 59 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:08,074 So, all right. We have a really fun episode 60 00:03:08,074 --> 00:03:11,866 today. going to be doing a this or that episode with a pretty 61 00:03:11,866 --> 00:03:15,034 specific focus where we're going to be comparing kind of the 62 00:03:15,034 --> 00:03:17,626 cheaper and more expensive options of different shoes from 63 00:03:17,626 --> 00:03:20,218 different companies, primarily looking at trail models and kind 64 00:03:20,218 --> 00:03:23,098 of asking that question, like, which one would you pick? 65 00:03:23,099 --> 00:03:25,210 What's the value? What's the performance and kind 66 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:26,878 of having some discussion around that? 67 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:30,227 But before we do that, we gotta obviously talk about what we 68 00:03:30,227 --> 00:03:33,890 currently have in for testing. So what have you all had on your 69 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:36,058 feet and otherwise? Matt, you can go. 70 00:03:36,060 --> 00:03:38,777 I'll go. Uh, I'm glad we talk right 71 00:03:38,777 --> 00:03:41,567 before the podcast because one of them I can't talk about, even 72 00:03:41,567 --> 00:03:45,753 though I am really enjoying it. One of the other ones is the 73 00:03:45,753 --> 00:03:49,739 Deviate Nitro Pure has been a really, really great shoe. 74 00:03:49,740 --> 00:03:53,024 It seems to have balanced out. Man, the color is going crazy on 75 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:55,248 this. What I really liked about this 76 00:03:55,248 --> 00:03:57,538 is a couple changes that Puma made. 77 00:03:57,539 --> 00:04:00,455 First of all, unlike the some of the other Nitro shoes, the 78 00:04:00,455 --> 00:04:02,399 midfoot does not narrow, that's been really nice. 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,180 I will note that when I 1st ran that shoe, it did, the midfoot 80 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:09,150 transition felt a little clunky, which is totally normal when you 81 00:04:09,150 --> 00:04:11,580 have a little additional stiffness, but once it breaks 82 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:15,199 in, it's totally fine. I am in a not in not like I have 83 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,500 this big plan, but I'm in this like no super racer block where 84 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:21,548 I'm just kind of working on getting back in shape and trying 85 00:04:21,548 --> 00:04:23,579 to just get my legs under me again. 86 00:04:23,579 --> 00:04:26,039 And this has been a go to for workouts. 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,569 It's been awesome. The drop is like just in the 88 00:04:28,569 --> 00:04:30,719 right place where it doesn't feel too low, too high. 89 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,423 Upper is snug in a good way where it's like when you're 90 00:04:34,423 --> 00:04:36,599 running fast. It just kind of disappears. 91 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,216 When you walk in it, you're definitely like, oh, this is a 92 00:04:39,216 --> 00:04:41,832 little lower volume, a little bit snug up in the forefoot, but 93 00:04:41,832 --> 00:04:44,002 outside of that, the upper stretches like puma stuff always 94 00:04:44,002 --> 00:04:45,719 does. And durability's been good. 95 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,217 I think I've got 40, almost 50 miles of my pair and 96 00:04:49,217 --> 00:04:50,999 everything's intact. Nothing's gotten pulled off yet. 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,049 So it's been really solid. Not a stability shoe, but just 98 00:04:55,049 --> 00:04:57,843 stable enough for me with just the wider midfoot that it's 99 00:04:57,843 --> 00:05:00,101 actually been pretty good. I've got I've been running in 100 00:05:00,101 --> 00:05:03,072 that one too. I put it in the category of kind 101 00:05:03,072 --> 00:05:06,588 of the Evo SL, those very simple, because this is like, I 102 00:05:06,588 --> 00:05:08,639 think 150 in that realm, price wise. 103 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,769 And so it's right in that category where there's nothing 104 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:14,579 fancy about it, but it just, it's really nice. 105 00:05:14,579 --> 00:05:17,483 It's that lightweight trainer. You can do a lot of different 106 00:05:17,483 --> 00:05:19,860 things in it. Um, I'm curious how it like 107 00:05:19,860 --> 00:05:23,052 holds up over time. You know, I think that's going 108 00:05:23,052 --> 00:05:26,368 to be the question and, um, I'm not doubting anything 109 00:05:26,368 --> 00:05:28,288 necessarily. I'm just saying that will be the 110 00:05:28,288 --> 00:05:31,237 question to see how does it do with lots of miles over time, 111 00:05:31,237 --> 00:05:32,819 but it's just very simple, very light. 112 00:05:32,819 --> 00:05:35,278 I think that geometry is nice. They've got a nice bevel here. 113 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,439 I'm excited to get more miles in it. 114 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,619 It is one of the 1st trainers that they have where they 115 00:05:40,619 --> 00:05:43,534 actually really got the bevel decent and didn't like bias it 116 00:05:43,534 --> 00:05:44,640 medially. That's been something they've 117 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,778 always done. I don't know why. 118 00:05:45,779 --> 00:05:48,419 This one's very centered, breaks in really nicely. 119 00:05:48,420 --> 00:05:52,559 And I ran in it earlier today, and I can say the same things. 120 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,359 I really liked it. There's like a beautiful like 121 00:05:55,359 --> 00:05:58,513 simplicity to the shoe. Like you said, it's just, it's a 122 00:05:58,513 --> 00:05:59,819 nice foam. It's lightweight. 123 00:05:59,819 --> 00:06:01,979 It a good upper, but it's nothing like crazy. 124 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:05,764 There's no major bells or whistles to it, but it runs 125 00:06:05,764 --> 00:06:08,847 smooth at daily paces. I did do some pickups, you know, 126 00:06:08,847 --> 00:06:11,039 as low as maybe 520-ish and it felt great. 127 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,603 You know, I mean, I don't know how it's going to feel like 128 00:06:15,603 --> 00:06:19,464 turning over, turning over, but like going marathon pace and a 129 00:06:19,464 --> 00:06:23,325 little bit faster because there's Lord knows I ain't run a 130 00:06:23,325 --> 00:06:26,879 marathon at 520s right now. It felt good. 131 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:30,233 It felt like really good. And people who are listening to 132 00:06:30,233 --> 00:06:33,959 this podcast, no, I'm a fan of the Saucony Endorphin Azura. 133 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:38,879 This feels like competition to the Azura, both at price point. 134 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:42,267 different rides, but I think experience wise, like, I really 135 00:06:42,267 --> 00:06:46,228 like both of them. So this is, I'm going to have to 136 00:06:46,228 --> 00:06:50,139 get more miles in both and do a head-to-head there or something 137 00:06:50,139 --> 00:06:52,739 because they are heavy headers for this year. 138 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:55,019 Yep. Definitely agree. 139 00:06:55,019 --> 00:06:58,431 Do you know what's another shoe company that popped into my mind 140 00:06:58,431 --> 00:07:00,419 when I got the shoe? Was Atreyu. 141 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,219 Oh, a little bit. Like the simplicity. 142 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:04,559 I think they're done. They might be done, right? 143 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,739 Rest, I believe, rest. Yeah, I think it was... 144 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:10,000 That's just kind of the simplicity of the shoe and 145 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,808 that's kind of what they were going for. 146 00:07:11,808 --> 00:07:14,068 Yeah, nicer foam though. You create the same shoe over 147 00:07:14,068 --> 00:07:16,439 and over. Yeah, nicer foam than a true. 148 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,423 There's a series of 5 and the listeners can feel free to 149 00:07:19,423 --> 00:07:23,790 correct me. like, I feel like Pure, Rebel, uh, Azura, Evo SL, 150 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:29,595 and then we have not tested this yet, but Mach 7 kind of sits, I 151 00:07:29,595 --> 00:07:34,233 feel like, in... like, kind of like a 5 in a, like, 152 00:07:34,233 --> 00:07:35,759 performance. Yeah, Mach 6. 153 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:36,778 Yeah. Yep. 154 00:07:36,779 --> 00:07:40,795 So I think it's a good option because they're all kind of in 155 00:07:40,795 --> 00:07:43,259 that 150 range, which is fairly standard now. 156 00:07:43,259 --> 00:07:46,103 You get a lot of performance out of them, but there's the 157 00:07:46,103 --> 00:07:47,759 versatility train, which I think is great. 158 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:52,257 Speaking of more, uh, kind of on the, still crazy, that 150 is 159 00:07:52,257 --> 00:07:56,398 the lower end, but even lower than that, like, I'm excited for 160 00:07:56,398 --> 00:07:58,844 the updated Rincon coming. Oh, it's been a funny. 161 00:07:58,844 --> 00:08:01,871 That's going to be a shoe. It's been a while since I've, 162 00:08:01,871 --> 00:08:04,199 since I've tested one, so that'll be fun. 163 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:06,719 Yep. I do have something else. 164 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,759 Great, I'm not going to get in trouble for this. 165 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:11,039 Can't talk about this. Yeah. 166 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,300 Sweet. So Topo has their connect, which 167 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:18,024 I didn't know. I mean, there's a there's a 168 00:08:18,024 --> 00:08:19,859 decent number of companies that do something similar to this. 169 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:22,175 So you have Vivo Barefoot, you have Xero, which you've been a 170 00:08:22,175 --> 00:08:24,555 fan of. I have really enjoyed this as 171 00:08:24,555 --> 00:08:26,879 another, like, kind of clinic day shoe. 172 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:28,799 I have only run a little bit in it. 173 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,754 It is a little bit heavier for what it is, but I think that 174 00:08:31,754 --> 00:08:34,285 comes from the soul, which is Vibram and has some really good 175 00:08:34,285 --> 00:08:37,145 grip on it. What I've loved it for is 176 00:08:37,145 --> 00:08:38,999 lifting, walking, standing all day. 177 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,796 It's been a great shoe. Again, the all black color is 178 00:08:41,796 --> 00:08:44,939 helpful for someone treating in clinic quite a bit, but just 179 00:08:44,939 --> 00:08:47,219 really comfortable and really secure, which is nice. 180 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:49,755 So it's really nice to finally see Topo go, hey, we're going to 181 00:08:49,755 --> 00:08:51,839 take our shot. I think they did a good job. 182 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,479 It's very different from a lot of the others in this area. 183 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,579 Doesn't have the same ground feel. 184 00:08:56,580 --> 00:08:59,158 There's still like for this kind of minimal shoe. 185 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,652 Again, for the, and I need to remember the listeners can't see 186 00:09:01,652 --> 00:09:02,914 this. We got a couple emails recently 187 00:09:02,914 --> 00:09:04,139 like, what shoe are you talking about? 188 00:09:04,139 --> 00:09:07,934 So it's the topo connect, which is their like really minimal 189 00:09:07,934 --> 00:09:09,658 training, daily trainer, walking shoe. 190 00:09:09,659 --> 00:09:11,999 Is it considered a running shoe? Are they classifying it? 191 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,459 Is that or is that? I think it's their primary. 192 00:09:14,460 --> 00:09:17,563 Yeah. But it's just a very low to the 193 00:09:17,563 --> 00:09:20,038 ground minimal shoe from Topo that I'm really enjoying. 194 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:22,619 Tons of flexibility, really good grip. 195 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:25,111 There's just a little bit more than competitors in terms of 196 00:09:25,111 --> 00:09:28,049 like the amount of foam between your foot in the ground, which I 197 00:09:28,049 --> 00:09:29,857 think is fine. Because, again, when I'm in 198 00:09:29,857 --> 00:09:32,675 clinic, I am, it is a hospital. It's, I'm standing on hard 199 00:09:32,675 --> 00:09:36,189 floors all day, so it is nice to have a little bit there. between 200 00:09:36,189 --> 00:09:39,207 your foot and the ground. So haven't got enough running 201 00:09:39,207 --> 00:09:42,003 miles in it yet. The one I did do, the grip is 202 00:09:42,003 --> 00:09:44,642 really good, and I was actually impressed I could do this as my 203 00:09:44,642 --> 00:09:46,259 Achilles is actually doing better, which is surprising. 204 00:09:46,259 --> 00:09:50,735 But yeah, really impressed so far and loved the toe box and 205 00:09:50,735 --> 00:09:53,797 good, good. can't believe it's. I think this is the 1st kind of 206 00:09:53,797 --> 00:09:55,859 shoe like this. They done correctly. something. 207 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:57,495 That might be... How is that? 208 00:09:57,495 --> 00:09:59,399 XC6 when you prefer between the two. 209 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:03,515 I think at the moment, I prefer this one, but the ST, I think, 210 00:10:03,515 --> 00:10:07,146 is like the ST a lot. So I just need, yeah, it's a 211 00:10:07,146 --> 00:10:09,403 good shoe. I think just the look and 212 00:10:09,403 --> 00:10:11,699 traction thing is winning me over right now. 213 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,119 The ST6 has more to it though than that shoe. 214 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,860 Like by a pretty decent amount. Like there's actually like a 215 00:10:18,860 --> 00:10:21,116 foam midsole in the ST6, whereas... 216 00:10:21,116 --> 00:10:24,043 This is getting closer. Oh, there's not a phone. 217 00:10:24,043 --> 00:10:26,031 It's just like the outsole to the... 218 00:10:26,031 --> 00:10:28,019 Oh, I thought you said there was... 219 00:10:28,019 --> 00:10:32,177 No, I mean, it's thicker outsole than a lot of companies, but, 220 00:10:32,177 --> 00:10:36,329 oh, I didn't even know that when you pulled the insole out, 221 00:10:36,329 --> 00:10:39,789 there's actually like, you could actually wear this without the 222 00:10:39,789 --> 00:10:42,983 insole, I didn't realize that. There's like a little there's a 223 00:10:42,983 --> 00:10:45,899 little bed in there, but the ST6 has like a real midsole. 224 00:10:45,899 --> 00:10:51,418 I, I, I've enjoyed both of those ST6 and the Topo Connect. 225 00:10:51,419 --> 00:10:55,469 I've preferred the ST6 personally for my lifting and 226 00:10:55,469 --> 00:10:58,640 plyos and stuff. I just like having that little 227 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,276 bit more, but I've enjoyed the connect for more just like daily 228 00:11:02,276 --> 00:11:05,498 stuff. So that's been more of my around 229 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:07,994 the house, around work, walking casual. 230 00:11:07,994 --> 00:11:11,369 And then the ST6. I've just, you know, that's a 231 00:11:11,369 --> 00:11:13,655 preference thing. I just like having a little bit 232 00:11:13,655 --> 00:11:16,782 of foam underneath for comfort. So, do you have any others, 233 00:11:16,782 --> 00:11:19,558 Matt? Um, I forgot to bring it out. 234 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,639 I am still getting miles on the Kayano 33. 235 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:28,097 It is not softening at all. Gotten lots of comments on the 236 00:11:28,097 --> 00:11:29,524 videos. Thank you everybody for watching 237 00:11:29,524 --> 00:11:31,810 and giving your feedback, going, oh, it feels much better, 238 00:11:31,810 --> 00:11:33,561 softer. I don't know what you all are 239 00:11:33,561 --> 00:11:35,984 feeling. That thing is so firm to me, but 240 00:11:35,984 --> 00:11:39,559 I'm going to keep getting miles on it, even though it makes my 241 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,759 knee ache every time I run in it. 242 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:45,119 I' going to keep doing it. And fit is still really nice. 243 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,143 I will, I will admit that. I'm getting a little bit of 244 00:11:48,143 --> 00:11:50,607 blisters on my forefoot from sliding, but I'm going to keep 245 00:11:50,607 --> 00:11:53,518 taking getting miles on this and see if I can find that sweet 246 00:11:53,518 --> 00:11:55,079 spot, but I haven't found it yet. 247 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,678 Nice. I have only one other shoe that 248 00:11:59,678 --> 00:12:02,882 I want to talk about today. The other one is the same as 249 00:12:02,882 --> 00:12:04,199 Matt's that we can't talk about yet. 250 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,492 But, um, I think y'all have had this issue for a while, but it 251 00:12:09,492 --> 00:12:14,399 just showed up for me last week and it's the Mizuno NeoVista 3. 252 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:17,099 So I got my 1st longer run in this. 253 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,399 It was about 8.5 miles that I that I did in this shoe. 254 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,918 I think this is my favorite NeoVista yet. 255 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,802 I think that they have... It might not be the, I feel like 256 00:12:26,802 --> 00:12:30,090 the 1st one had a little bit more aggressive geometry and a 257 00:12:30,090 --> 00:12:32,278 little more kind of soft bounce to it. 258 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:35,279 I think this one feels more controlled, but I'm appreciating 259 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:38,879 that for where I'm personally at right now, and it just feels 260 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:41,579 like I'm, it's always moving forward, whereas sometimes with 261 00:12:41,579 --> 00:12:44,278 how much the rocker was in the early version. 262 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:48,899 I felt like I got caught on the NeoVista's rocker in a way that 263 00:12:48,899 --> 00:12:51,251 wasn't beneficial. I think a couple things they're 264 00:12:51,251 --> 00:12:53,693 doing with their geometry. I think, again, the rocker is 265 00:12:53,693 --> 00:12:56,099 just a little bit more chill, a little bit more gradual. 266 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:59,542 But the other thing that I like that they did with the midsole 267 00:12:59,542 --> 00:13:01,918 is the sculpting on the medial and lateral side. 268 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:06,523 So on the lateral side, you've got this kind of incut or it's a 269 00:13:06,523 --> 00:13:10,131 little bit con cave, whereas on the medial side, it's totally 270 00:13:10,131 --> 00:13:13,739 flat or even a little bit convex or ball this there. 271 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:17,473 That just gives it a little bit of structure to how the foam is 272 00:13:17,473 --> 00:13:20,399 going to get loaded because it is still really compliant foam. 273 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:23,891 It's got, you know, a fun plate design that they put in there, 274 00:13:23,891 --> 00:13:27,375 but that little bit of a cutout allows for the shoe to compress 275 00:13:27,375 --> 00:13:29,519 a little bit more on the lateral side. 276 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:31,319 It just gives that little bit of guidance. 277 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,614 And I just appreciated that. And I don't need like structure 278 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:38,241 stability, but I like that they give a purpose to how much soft 279 00:13:38,241 --> 00:13:42,137 foam exists in this shoe and it worked well for me in that run 280 00:13:42,137 --> 00:13:44,639 and I'm excited to get more miles on it. 281 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:46,139 It just feels like it could be a workhorse. 282 00:13:46,139 --> 00:13:49,278 I also think they've, they're, they just are really committed 283 00:13:49,278 --> 00:13:52,408 to this booty construction upper, which can have tons of 284 00:13:52,408 --> 00:13:54,599 problems if it doesn't fit you right. 285 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,350 This feels like the best ones so far. for me in the what for what 286 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:00,599 it's worth category. I don't know how it's working 287 00:14:00,599 --> 00:14:04,199 for you all, but the 1st one, um, I was just getting a lot of 288 00:14:04,199 --> 00:14:07,559 like overlap of it and this one fit me well and I didn't really 289 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,731 have to use the laces too much. So, but that's the, that's the 290 00:14:10,731 --> 00:14:12,029 thing. It's like when it works for one 291 00:14:12,029 --> 00:14:14,111 person. It's not going to work for 292 00:14:14,111 --> 00:14:15,719 another with the booty construction. 293 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,910 Yeah, I definitely will say, I love everything about this shoe 294 00:14:18,910 --> 00:14:21,801 except for this little extra bit of padding right here. 295 00:14:21,801 --> 00:14:24,119 Oh, yeah. 10 goes, and that is making that. 296 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,868 Everything else is great. That just is making it very 297 00:14:26,868 --> 00:14:29,759 challenging for me personally. Should we add this to the list? 298 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:32,939 This versus writer? Maybe we bring it up. 299 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:37,739 Maybe we do. David, what about you? 300 00:14:37,740 --> 00:14:39,418 You're just getting back into somebody. 301 00:14:39,419 --> 00:14:42,178 Yeah, I think as of today, it's 6 days in a row of running now. 302 00:14:42,179 --> 00:14:45,539 I've kept the miles low. I haven't done anything crazy, 303 00:14:45,539 --> 00:14:48,623 so if you've been following. I mean, we're talking maybe 5K 304 00:14:48,623 --> 00:14:51,359 worth of mileage per day, which is something, right? 305 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,405 Like it starts to build and I'm planning on making this grow 306 00:14:54,405 --> 00:14:57,083 organically. hopefully. Um, but yeah, I mean, definitely 307 00:14:57,083 --> 00:15:00,113 wearing a few different shoes, getting a few different reviews 308 00:15:00,113 --> 00:15:02,140 out again. Um, getting to those trail 309 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:04,979 reviews, finally, for all the people that have been waiting. 310 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:08,830 Um, so, just finished the write-up on this, depending on 311 00:15:08,830 --> 00:15:11,785 release schedule. Um, for DOR, may or may not be 312 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:14,453 out. But this is the Inov-8 Trail Fly 313 00:15:14,453 --> 00:15:18,178 0 version two. Um, this is an interesting one. 314 00:15:18,179 --> 00:15:21,304 I liked it. I just I don't know if I liked 315 00:15:21,304 --> 00:15:23,459 it enough to justify the price point. 316 00:15:23,460 --> 00:15:28,303 It's at like 175. And, um, And to like take it 317 00:15:28,303 --> 00:15:32,219 over some of the other trail models I really like. 318 00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:36,322 But this is meant to be an aggressive, like, nimble trail 319 00:15:36,322 --> 00:15:38,926 running shoot for, like, specifically for technical 320 00:15:38,926 --> 00:15:41,399 terrain. Its stack is super low. 321 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,798 It's like 12 mils and it's 0 drops. 322 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:46,079 So it's 12 millimeter in the heel, 12 in the 4 foot. 323 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,158 That doesn't include the footbed. 324 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:48,778 The footbed, I think, is 6 millimeter. 325 00:15:48,779 --> 00:15:51,719 So it's like 18, give or take of total stack. 326 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,069 But it doesn't feel bad. Like, and then it's a super 327 00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:58,818 critical midsole, but the, I mean, there's not that much 328 00:15:58,818 --> 00:16:01,558 foam, so it's still feels really firm when you're landing. 329 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:05,501 He, um, it doesn't, it's supposed to be pretty 330 00:16:05,501 --> 00:16:07,723 responsive. It doesn't feel that responsive 331 00:16:07,723 --> 00:16:11,639 to me, but it feels steady and it feels really sturdy. 332 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:14,855 Like going over rocks and things like that, I felt very confident 333 00:16:14,855 --> 00:16:17,451 running in it. And when you look at the upper, 334 00:16:17,451 --> 00:16:19,499 there's a lot of external reinforcement, just everywhere. 335 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:22,139 And this thing holds its shape really well. 336 00:16:22,139 --> 00:16:24,298 And so I think they did a really good job with it. 337 00:16:24,299 --> 00:16:30,494 I just don't think for what it is, 175 is the price I would pay 338 00:16:30,494 --> 00:16:33,456 for it. I think if it was closer to that 339 00:16:33,456 --> 00:16:36,119 150, I think that would be a really solid option. 340 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,060 But at 175. I just think the competition's a 341 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:41,322 little too stiff. Um, but if you want something 342 00:16:41,322 --> 00:16:44,526 very low to the ground, you can feel everything but still be 343 00:16:44,526 --> 00:16:47,454 protected, because the lugs too, like, being that low to the 344 00:16:47,454 --> 00:16:50,646 ground, I didn't feel like the rocks were pushing into my feet 345 00:16:50,646 --> 00:16:52,709 at all. Like I did feel protected, which 346 00:16:52,709 --> 00:16:55,128 is huge. So that one, just finished the 347 00:16:55,128 --> 00:16:58,184 write-up on that one. Another one that I'm super 348 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:02,107 excited about that I can talk about is the Adidas Terrex, 349 00:17:02,107 --> 00:17:05,970 Agravic, SL. So this is going to be a 350 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:10,470 evolution of the Terrex lineage, and the Agravic SL, essentially, 351 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:15,869 is taking a baby between the Adizero Evo SL and the Adizero 352 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:20,368 Agravic Speed family, where they use Lightstrike Pro for Trail 353 00:17:20,368 --> 00:17:22,367 Racing. And so the goal of this is 354 00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:25,019 specifically to just kind of be a super trainer, but for trails. 355 00:17:25,019 --> 00:17:28,232 And it's Lightstrike Pro, midsole, full contact, 356 00:17:28,232 --> 00:17:31,439 continental outsole, variable depth on the lugs. 357 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,627 It's 3.5 to 4 millimeters. And it's just kind of a gently 358 00:17:35,627 --> 00:17:38,519 rocker design. Solid synthetic mesh upper. 359 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:41,731 I thought it was interesting. A lot of Adidas shoes tend to 360 00:17:41,731 --> 00:17:43,618 have kind of low volume and narrow midfoots. 361 00:17:43,619 --> 00:17:45,538 This is actually surprisingly spacious. 362 00:17:45,539 --> 00:17:49,515 Like, if I hold it up to the camera, like, it's it's a solid 363 00:17:49,515 --> 00:17:51,269 shoe. This is one, I made a video 364 00:17:51,269 --> 00:17:52,739 about this earlier in the day too. 365 00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:55,774 So this, that video will probably be out by the time this 366 00:17:55,774 --> 00:17:59,302 airs, but I felt like this stacks up to me with some of my 367 00:17:59,302 --> 00:18:01,318 favorite trail models of the year so far. 368 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:05,379 And that goes up against the Salomon Ultra Glide 4 that goes 369 00:18:05,379 --> 00:18:08,759 up against the North Face Vectiv Enduris 500 version 2. 370 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:13,860 Um, big fan of the Agravic SL. So that will be coming shortly 371 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:17,416 to our reviews. Deviate Pure Nitro, also running 372 00:18:17,416 --> 00:18:19,542 in that. Obviously, I just ran it this 373 00:18:19,542 --> 00:18:22,107 morning. Sorry, Klein was holding up the 374 00:18:22,107 --> 00:18:25,259 Terrex Agravic Speed Ultra, I believe, or TT. 375 00:18:25,259 --> 00:18:26,278 What was it? Yeah. 376 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:27,179 Yeah, two. Yeah. 377 00:18:27,180 --> 00:18:30,824 No, the, the, the... Yeah, the Speed 2 was like ultra 378 00:18:30,824 --> 00:18:34,078 speed. Yeah, ultra Speed Ultra. 379 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:35,699 Yeah, yeah. I didn't get the speed ultra, 380 00:18:35,699 --> 00:18:38,324 but I got the speed two. And the speed 2 was a little too 381 00:18:38,324 --> 00:18:40,455 aggressive for me. Like my foot and my Achilles, I 382 00:18:40,455 --> 00:18:43,605 was like, oh, man, like I know this is a sub ultra trail racer, 383 00:18:43,605 --> 00:18:46,078 but like, I don't I don't think I can do it. 384 00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:49,199 But the Agravic SL, like I, oh, it's also pretty lightweight. 385 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,799 I didn't mention that. It's like 9.4 ounces for a trail 386 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,122 model. Yeah, very light for a trail 387 00:18:55,122 --> 00:18:56,897 shoe. The Lightstrike Pro is snappy 388 00:18:56,897 --> 00:18:58,905 and responsive. It's protective, but it's not 389 00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:01,343 like mushy soft. Like it feels firmer than the 390 00:19:01,343 --> 00:19:04,146 audio's pro Lightstrike Pro. Um, so yeah, I'm actually a 391 00:19:04,146 --> 00:19:06,179 really big fan of the graphic SL. 392 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:09,232 So, stoked. How's the stability? 393 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:12,719 Because, like, you said, like, the speed was a little wobbly. 394 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,230 I didn't get the speed, but the ultra, the speed ultra 2, that's 395 00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:18,118 got a serious case of the wobbles. 396 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,117 Not too bad. Actually, the full contact axle 397 00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:22,037 is good. It looks more narrow on the 398 00:19:22,037 --> 00:19:24,479 camera than it is, but I feel like this is wider. 399 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,479 It's probably closer to also what I'll be getting reviewing 400 00:19:27,479 --> 00:19:30,132 soon. Agravic 4. getting all these 401 00:19:30,132 --> 00:19:33,959 trail miles. But I don't know, it's neutral. 402 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,184 I wouldn't say it's, you know, a stability trail model, but it 403 00:19:38,184 --> 00:19:40,843 doesn't feel unstable. I felt fine going over rocks and 404 00:19:40,843 --> 00:19:44,122 taking turns and things. I had to take a 180 on a dog and 405 00:19:44,122 --> 00:19:47,759 I was able to do that. So on a downhill too. 406 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:50,639 I was like descending and I was like, oh, F word. 407 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,705 And then, like, dog came from, I had to flip a U and get out of 408 00:19:54,705 --> 00:19:57,894 there. Um, so I was able to do that and 409 00:19:57,894 --> 00:20:00,419 I didn't turn my ankle. So, I don't know. 410 00:20:00,420 --> 00:20:03,538 I'll give it some props there. Um, so there's that. 411 00:20:03,539 --> 00:20:05,639 That was the shoe, not your fibularis muscles. 412 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,439 Yeah, it's always the shoe, right? 413 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,280 And then one that we haven't talked about yet, um, for basic 414 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,050 review, we mean Topo Magnify 6. So pretty excited about this 415 00:20:15,050 --> 00:20:17,098 one. We've always liked the magnify. 416 00:20:17,099 --> 00:20:19,439 I feel like the upper is always a home run on that. 417 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,279 It's no, they didn't stop here. It's still a really nice upper, 418 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,219 fits really well. I feel like it's a little more 419 00:20:26,219 --> 00:20:29,072 spacious in the midfoot than previous magnifies, which I 420 00:20:29,072 --> 00:20:32,875 appreciate because I feel like I remember we like would hype up 421 00:20:32,875 --> 00:20:35,747 magnify 4 upper specifically. And that one was like really 422 00:20:35,747 --> 00:20:39,485 nice, but at the arch, I could just feel it pushing up just a 423 00:20:39,485 --> 00:20:41,338 little bit. like in that midfoot. 424 00:20:41,339 --> 00:20:45,360 Not enough to like call it out per se, but this one I feel like 425 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,355 cleans that up. Obviously, it's 2 versions 426 00:20:47,355 --> 00:20:50,219 later, but it's not really the most exciting foam. 427 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:52,078 You know, it's just it's Zipfoam. 428 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,115 It, kind of a basic EVA, 0 mil, drop, moderate stack height 429 00:20:55,115 --> 00:20:58,403 shoe, but I think it's going to be really nice for long, easy 430 00:20:58,403 --> 00:21:00,660 and daily miles. So I'm actually, I'm quite 431 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:02,444 excited. It's been good in the clinic so 432 00:21:02,444 --> 00:21:04,139 far when I've worn it in the clinic. 433 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:08,248 Uh, I wore that shoe last week and didn't realize it was 0 434 00:21:08,248 --> 00:21:12,040 drop, and I was like, and Achilles did fine, which I was 435 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,139 like, oh, and I, I will say, yeah, it is Zipfoam, but, you 436 00:21:16,139 --> 00:21:19,289 know, they are slowly improving it where it's, it's definitely 437 00:21:19,289 --> 00:21:22,754 not the same as older Zipfoams. There's a little, it's not a 438 00:21:22,754 --> 00:21:24,623 crazy superfoam. There's just enough to go, oh, 439 00:21:24,623 --> 00:21:27,186 this is this is nice. It's not a super foam, but it's 440 00:21:27,186 --> 00:21:28,971 still nice. Yeah, just a nice training 441 00:21:28,971 --> 00:21:30,465 that's sold. That what it feels like. when 442 00:21:30,465 --> 00:21:33,058 I'm wearing it. But yeah, that's what I got. 443 00:21:33,059 --> 00:21:35,975 I don't think about anything else besides these other 20 444 00:21:35,975 --> 00:21:39,192 shoes to my left. Yeah, no, that's all for the 445 00:21:39,192 --> 00:21:41,399 episode at that point. So, yeah. 446 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,007 That's what I got. Sorry, that's a long in for 447 00:21:45,007 --> 00:21:47,278 testing. as always. That's great. 448 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:49,558 You're back on the roads and the trails. 449 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,779 It's good thing. Well, our in-for-testing segment 450 00:21:51,779 --> 00:21:54,298 is always fueled by Scratch Labs. 451 00:21:54,299 --> 00:21:59,216 And so if you want to check out any of their stuff for your in 452 00:21:59,216 --> 00:22:02,159 run or post-run nutrition and recovery and hydration stuff. 453 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,679 Please head over to scratchlabs.com. 454 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,727 You can use the code DOCTORSOFRUNNING to get 20% off 455 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:10,160 your 1st order. Matt, you're scratching your 456 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,459 head here. What going on? 457 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:15,824 Dude, the cucumber lime is still killing it and it bothers me 458 00:22:15,824 --> 00:22:20,055 that I like it still. Because you used to make fun of 459 00:22:20,055 --> 00:22:21,419 people. Yes, I did. 460 00:22:21,420 --> 00:22:23,879 And now I have to eat that. Or drink. 461 00:22:23,879 --> 00:22:28,112 Or yeah. So I also will note that BJ, I 462 00:22:28,112 --> 00:22:31,752 think it was BJ or BJ, dangerous combination, where they 463 00:22:31,752 --> 00:22:35,392 suggested, or maybe it was David, sparkling water, a half 464 00:22:35,392 --> 00:22:39,396 scoop of the watermelon, and a half scoop of the, like, 465 00:22:39,396 --> 00:22:42,059 cucumber lime is... Yeah, that was... can't stand 466 00:22:42,059 --> 00:22:43,199 sparkling water. It wasn't me. 467 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,659 Yeah, got it. Okay. 468 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:49,919 For me, my favorite flavor, hands down is the mango. 469 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,220 I don't think y'all have tried the mango, but it is... 470 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:57,407 I've got the guava on here. There's a there's a mango super 471 00:22:57,407 --> 00:23:00,989 fuel that I'm kind of, what's the high carb? 472 00:23:00,989 --> 00:23:03,329 Yeah, the super fuel. Super high car. 473 00:23:03,329 --> 00:23:04,919 We're almost there. Super high carb. 474 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,999 Then we call it... Yeah. 475 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,770 They have. I'm kind of curious in that one 476 00:23:07,770 --> 00:23:10,440 to be honest. It used to be culture, but they 477 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,659 switched it over to super high carb. 478 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:14,879 I have the mango version of that. 479 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,356 I haven't used it yet because I haven't been going long enough 480 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:23,459 to warrant it yet, but they're sport hydration I have been. 481 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:28,199 Okay, let's dip into the this or that for this episode. 482 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,321 As I mentioned earlier, what we're going to do is kind of our 483 00:23:32,321 --> 00:23:36,431 normal this or that, it forces us to pick between 2 options and 484 00:23:36,431 --> 00:23:39,120 justify our choice. But what we're doing is the 485 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,600 theme of this, this or that, is having to pair 2 different 486 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,790 trainers that are within the same company and talk about the 487 00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:49,560 one that maybe is a little bit more on the cheaper end versus 488 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,298 the one that's their premium option. 489 00:23:51,299 --> 00:23:54,197 And then we have to pick which one would we choose if we were 490 00:23:54,197 --> 00:23:57,288 going out to buy it and maybe the case use for each of us and 491 00:23:57,288 --> 00:24:00,047 why we may choose it. We don't have strict rules on 492 00:24:00,047 --> 00:24:03,791 this, like, oh, it's your one shoe, like you don't have a shoe 493 00:24:03,791 --> 00:24:05,239 rotation. We're not going to be that 494 00:24:05,239 --> 00:24:07,493 strict with it. We're going to let it flow 495 00:24:07,493 --> 00:24:10,562 different directions and just see how we talk about who it 496 00:24:10,562 --> 00:24:14,459 might be the pick for and who it might not be the pick for. 497 00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:17,242 You already? Okay. 498 00:24:17,242 --> 00:24:20,338 So we're going to start with ASICS. 499 00:24:20,339 --> 00:24:23,615 Maybe alphabetical. Maybe it just randomly is the 500 00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:27,463 1st one that we we put on our list when we were brainstorming. 501 00:24:27,463 --> 00:24:30,709 And we got a couple within... Because Adidas is before ASICS, 502 00:24:30,709 --> 00:24:35,278 if Adidas comes up at any point in the episode. a good point. 503 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,198 People will say that we're spons- people were saying we 504 00:24:38,198 --> 00:24:40,235 were sponsored by ASICS at one point. 505 00:24:40,235 --> 00:24:42,412 Yeah, I remember that. I was like, I think it was like 506 00:24:42,412 --> 00:24:43,798 a year or 2 ago and they were doing really well. 507 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:45,985 We're like, well, it's good. be like, oh, you've been overly 508 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,459 positive. Yeah, they're not going to not 509 00:24:47,459 --> 00:24:48,899 going to like me as much this year. 510 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,171 So no, they don't sponsor us. I'm not being mean. 511 00:24:52,171 --> 00:24:56,399 Oh, it was always like Nike show or something like that, right? 512 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,972 I don't know. thinks, yeah. No, for us, it was, we were 513 00:24:59,972 --> 00:25:01,379 called the ASICS Shills for a little bit. 514 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:04,439 So it's okay. Here we are. 515 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,706 We're going to talk about ASICS. So we have got a couple within 516 00:25:08,706 --> 00:25:13,634 here, but the 1st one is looking at the new Novablast 6 or the 517 00:25:13,634 --> 00:25:16,054 Superblast 3. So a couple things that I think 518 00:25:16,054 --> 00:25:18,523 I know about these shoes. You know, you're looking at 519 00:25:18,523 --> 00:25:19,798 Novablast 6. You're looking at. 520 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,356 I think 155. I think it jumped up 5 bucks. 521 00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:27,503 and then you have the Super Blast 3 that's in the 225 realm, 522 00:25:27,503 --> 00:25:29,098 right? That's still floating there. 523 00:25:29,099 --> 00:25:32,740 220, 225? You're looking at different foam 524 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:34,836 compounds. They're pretty different shoes 525 00:25:34,836 --> 00:25:38,818 from a construction standpoint, a lot more foam and stack. 526 00:25:38,819 --> 00:25:42,310 Well, I guess 4 millimeters. I don't know if that's 527 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:45,768 considered a lot or not, but you got like about 4 millimeters of 528 00:25:45,768 --> 00:25:48,419 stack in the super blasting compared to the nova blast. 529 00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:52,670 The weights are the same. pretty much within 0.one ounces of each 530 00:25:52,670 --> 00:25:55,739 other and they both have an 8 millimeter drop. 531 00:25:55,740 --> 00:26:01,669 So, you know, we're looking at a pretty decent, you know, $50, 532 00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:05,213 well, 70, $65 price difference. What do you what do y'all think 533 00:26:05,213 --> 00:26:07,962 on this? I will say other major thing is 534 00:26:07,962 --> 00:26:11,842 like very different foam. So, like, FF Blast+, FF Leap, 535 00:26:11,842 --> 00:26:16,385 sorry, primarily, um, with the bottom layer of, I think, yeah, 536 00:26:16,385 --> 00:26:18,679 blast. No, the bottom layer is blast 537 00:26:18,679 --> 00:26:21,771 plus the bottom. So the leap is like one of their 538 00:26:21,771 --> 00:26:25,537 top foams and one of the reasons why it kind of was difficult for 539 00:26:25,537 --> 00:26:29,034 me with the shoe because it was so soft, it's gotten a little 540 00:26:29,034 --> 00:26:32,518 bit better, but the nova blast's going to have the FF blast max 541 00:26:32,518 --> 00:26:36,002 with the the puck, not puck, but like the the forefoot pod of 542 00:26:36,002 --> 00:26:38,639 FlightFoam Turbo². So kind of different direction 543 00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:40,559 there. But yeah, weights have gotten 544 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,530 similar over the years. They used to be decent, like a 545 00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:46,810 decent amount up, but Superblast 3, I think, got it, is still a 546 00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:49,078 teeny bit heavier than some of the older ones. 547 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:51,179 If I remember correctly, is it 8.3? 548 00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:55,618 It's ounces 8.0. No it's higher. 8.7, 8.6. 549 00:26:55,619 --> 00:26:57,990 Yeah. And then the Novablast is, what, 550 00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:00,659 9 point? No it's 8.8 now, totally right. 551 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,058 Yeah, so right. So it dropped a lot of weight. 552 00:27:03,059 --> 00:27:07,739 Yeah, from a, it just really depends on what you want. 553 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:12,130 I think from a, like, trainer perspective, the Novablast is 554 00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:16,726 for, like, being 65 bucks less. It's not my favorite shoe on the 555 00:27:16,726 --> 00:27:20,660 market and I was, I, wasn't my favorite, but I think for a lot 556 00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:24,032 of people, they're probably going to get more out of it for 557 00:27:24,032 --> 00:27:26,278 that price just because with the FF leap. 558 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,830 Like it's kind of a, the Superblast is like, you got to 559 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:31,586 be running faster to really get a lot out of this, in my 560 00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:34,214 opinion. There's a lot of people that are 561 00:27:34,214 --> 00:27:37,664 doing exactly the opposite, but Novablast isn't my favorite, but 562 00:27:37,664 --> 00:27:40,318 you're picking it. Yeah, initially. 563 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,239 Let me think of this. take back seats. 564 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,719 David, what do you think? I get to think. 565 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,199 Is that a rough week? Yeah, it's a tough one. 566 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,098 This, sir, I get 5 options instead of those three. okay. 567 00:27:53,099 --> 00:27:57,788 It's a tough one for me. I like the Novablast. you know I 568 00:27:57,788 --> 00:27:59,974 do like it a lot. I thought it was full length 569 00:27:59,974 --> 00:28:02,541 turbo squared, is it not? No, just a... 570 00:28:02,541 --> 00:28:05,578 If you look at the bottom? Yeah. 571 00:28:05,579 --> 00:28:08,169 It's just in the forefoot, but it spans out bigger. 572 00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:10,499 Than what it looks like. footprint on the bottom. 573 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,679 Yeah, it spans up to basically the full foot. 574 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,838 Got it. Yeah, I like it. 575 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:20,909 I think, but I did run like just about 23 miles out the box in 576 00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:24,449 the Super Blast 3. And that did actually happen for 577 00:28:24,449 --> 00:28:28,343 better or worse on my body. But I think from... 578 00:28:28,343 --> 00:28:32,441 Would you do that in the Nova? That's what I don't I don't 579 00:28:32,441 --> 00:28:36,318 think I would. I think I think the softer FF 580 00:28:36,318 --> 00:28:39,684 Leap actually is. So neither of these shoes have 581 00:28:39,684 --> 00:28:43,884 like a massive heel level and they can be a little bit choppy, 582 00:28:43,884 --> 00:28:47,114 but that softer FF Leap eased that transition at initial 583 00:28:47,114 --> 00:28:50,667 contact for me and for just easy shuffling paces, especially if 584 00:28:50,667 --> 00:28:53,528 I'm going really long. I actually found like I got more 585 00:28:53,528 --> 00:28:56,888 out of the shoe in the Super Blast 3 than I felt like I did 586 00:28:56,888 --> 00:28:59,570 in the Novablast in the runs that I have done in the 587 00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:01,871 Novablast so far. And when I 1st ran into the 588 00:29:01,871 --> 00:29:04,199 Novablast, I was like, oh, this is a nice trainer. 589 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,239 I do like it. But I wasn't like itching to go 590 00:29:07,239 --> 00:29:10,803 run more and more. Where, like, in the Super Blast 591 00:29:10,803 --> 00:29:13,461 3, Once I got into rhythm, I was like, oh, shoot, like how far 592 00:29:13,461 --> 00:29:16,351 are we going to go today? And then it was like, I'll go to 593 00:29:16,351 --> 00:29:17,939 the next street. I'll go to the next street. 594 00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:20,160 I'll go to the next street. Guess I'm just doing a whole lap 595 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,517 of Golita. Like, and that's kind of what 596 00:29:22,517 --> 00:29:26,315 happened with the Super Blast. So now it is a pretty large 597 00:29:26,315 --> 00:29:28,751 price difference. And I will say, like, Klein 598 00:29:28,751 --> 00:29:32,095 said, like, this will be user dependent because FF Leap is 599 00:29:32,095 --> 00:29:34,200 soft. You know, for better or worse, 600 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,479 it is very soft. It is very compliant. 601 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,406 It does have a decent balance to it, but the blast, like the 602 00:29:40,406 --> 00:29:43,721 blast plus kind of stabilizes that a little bit on the 603 00:29:43,721 --> 00:29:47,333 underside and kind of dampens how much you get back from the 604 00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,139 leap, but it stabilizes it better. 605 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:53,453 So I actually find the Super Blast 3 to be better at rhythmic 606 00:29:53,453 --> 00:29:56,799 paces than I do going fast. It feels like it bottoms out a 607 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,739 little bit for me if I try to go fast. 608 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:02,471 But if I'm just logging big long run miles and daily miles, I 609 00:30:02,471 --> 00:30:05,338 think I actually am going to go super blast three. 610 00:30:05,339 --> 00:30:09,743 I think the $60 upgrade is I think it might be warranted 611 00:30:09,743 --> 00:30:11,939 here, especially from a durability standpoint. 612 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:13,439 I haven't put a dent in this thing yet. 613 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,649 And I feel like if it's like my shoe and I'm just, I'm just 614 00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:20,554 going to town on the thing. Yeah, I feel like it, I think it 615 00:30:20,554 --> 00:30:24,119 does make up its value. I will also acknowledge the 616 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,380 durability seems to be cool. I have over 100 miles on Super 617 00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:28,979 Blast 3 and the durability seems really good. 618 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:31,823 I haven't torn anything off. Um, this, for those who can't 619 00:30:31,823 --> 00:30:34,871 see you listening, I mean, I am starting to wear through the 620 00:30:34,871 --> 00:30:38,420 outsole, but it took me 100 plus miles even to get just a little 621 00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:40,476 bit of abrasion. Which for you is a lot. 622 00:30:40,476 --> 00:30:42,574 That's a big deal. So versus the Novablast, I'm 623 00:30:42,574 --> 00:30:45,538 starting to see some a little bit early where people had some 624 00:30:45,538 --> 00:30:47,759 concerns about Turbo², the previous one, which I didn't. 625 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,179 The midsole did flatten out. So I can totally see that. 626 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:53,219 I do have another comparison, but Nathan, you go first. 627 00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:56,929 Yeah, I'm totally cheating already because I'm going to buy 628 00:30:56,929 --> 00:30:59,519 the Super Blast too for 150 bucks. 629 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:00,701 So... I just... 630 00:31:00,701 --> 00:31:04,240 That's a no-brainer. I'm just the one that talks 631 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,943 about shoes I can't talk about. I'm supposed to be the one 632 00:31:07,943 --> 00:31:11,073 cheating on rules and I hear I am like well behaved in both of 633 00:31:11,073 --> 00:31:15,840 these guys. being a good boy. Yeah, but actually, that is 100% 634 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,471 what I would do right now. I would go out and I would buy 635 00:31:20,471 --> 00:31:23,189 for just within the ASICS line. I would go buy the Super Blast 636 00:31:23,189 --> 00:31:24,968 too. It's nothing like the Super 637 00:31:24,968 --> 00:31:26,994 Blast 3. It's got the FlightFoam Turbo², 638 00:31:26,994 --> 00:31:30,557 so it's gonna be a little bit firmer, but it's got that little 639 00:31:30,557 --> 00:31:33,239 bit of pop. It felt so versatile for me. 640 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,104 I did so many long runs in that shoe, so many training miles in 641 00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:40,139 that shoe, and a couple workouts and I'm not that fast. 642 00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:43,967 You know, I'm, when for my workouts, the fastest I'm 643 00:31:43,967 --> 00:31:46,259 getting is like 6.30-ish per mile. 644 00:31:46,259 --> 00:31:49,558 Um, so it was great for all of that stuff. 645 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,704 So that's what I'm doing. But if I had to keep Super Blast 646 00:31:52,704 --> 00:31:55,619 3 on the table, I'm going Novablast, I've, I think that 647 00:31:55,619 --> 00:31:59,594 the Novablast 6, I had a video, the video is out on this where I 648 00:31:59,594 --> 00:32:01,979 compare the 5 and the 6 to each other. 649 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:04,985 There isn't anything super remarkable in my experience so 650 00:32:04,985 --> 00:32:08,315 far that this new construction with the FlightFoam Turbo² is 651 00:32:08,315 --> 00:32:12,311 having for me with the Novablast 6, but it feels like a 652 00:32:12,311 --> 00:32:16,307 Novablast, and I like the Novablast, and I can get a ton 653 00:32:16,307 --> 00:32:19,439 out of a Novablast. I can do a lot of easy stuff. 654 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,818 I can do a little bit of workouts. 655 00:32:20,819 --> 00:32:24,725 So I'd go Novablast. Especially right now, I'm not 656 00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:29,099 doing, I mean, like I did my long run and it was, you know, 657 00:32:29,099 --> 00:32:32,219 75 minutes and I'm running about 8.5 miles for that. 658 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:34,679 So I don't need. I don't need a super blast. 659 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,145 So I'm going, I'd be going nova all day for this one for that 660 00:32:38,145 --> 00:32:40,439 price difference. Matt, you got something else? 661 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,812 Yeah, I'm also holding up the Nimbus 28, which I honestly like 662 00:32:43,812 --> 00:32:46,618 better than, yeah, which I like better than both them. 663 00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:49,379 And again, it's only going to be 15 bucks now, 15 bucks more. 664 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:52,259 It's 170 um, than the Novo Blast 6. 665 00:32:52,259 --> 00:32:55,858 And I, I'm just struggling with FF Blast Max. 666 00:32:55,859 --> 00:33:00,610 I like the plus a lot more, this version, and I like, it felt a 667 00:33:00,610 --> 00:33:02,864 little bit snappier. It's way more stable than the 668 00:33:02,864 --> 00:33:04,704 other two. It's probably been my favorite 669 00:33:04,704 --> 00:33:08,076 ASICS shoe that's come out this year and I still had some 670 00:33:08,076 --> 00:33:10,879 complaints about it, but like fits really nice, versatile for 671 00:33:10,879 --> 00:33:12,908 me. I done workouts, long runs, easy 672 00:33:12,908 --> 00:33:13,858 runs. I have 100 miles. 673 00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,788 I need to do a 100 mile review, which is now probably too late, 674 00:33:16,788 --> 00:33:19,505 because it came out a while ago, but yeah, this is actually my 675 00:33:19,505 --> 00:33:20,973 pick of all 3 by far. Yeah. 676 00:33:20,973 --> 00:33:22,679 It just works on number for me personally. 677 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,659 If you add that one to the list. What do you think? 678 00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:26,038 I think I'm still going to go super. 679 00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:30,029 I like the Nimbus. I actually like the Nimbus a 680 00:33:30,029 --> 00:33:33,727 lot, but for me, it's only like easy shuffling where I get a 681 00:33:33,727 --> 00:33:35,999 little bit more versatility out of the nova. 682 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,239 I would pick Nova over Nimbus for me personally. 683 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,959 And then Super has the option to go a little bit faster as well. 684 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,318 I think I'm going to go Super Nova Nimbus. 685 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,899 But the funny thing is, is I actually like all three. 686 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:52,379 So, um, they haven't like missed on me. 687 00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:55,536 I know that like Klein struggled with some of the newer ASICS 688 00:33:55,536 --> 00:33:56,879 models. For me, I actually have liked 689 00:33:56,879 --> 00:33:59,890 all of them. So, um, yeah, I didn't get the 690 00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:03,058 new Kayano, so I can't speak to that one. 691 00:34:03,059 --> 00:34:09,040 But, yeah, I would probably go in that line, Super Blast, Nova, 692 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,038 Nimbus. Sweet. 693 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,797 All right, we're going to move to our next one then. 694 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,318 We're going to talk in the Brooks family. 695 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,025 And with this one, again, we're looking at these in their 696 00:34:20,025 --> 00:34:23,801 trainer categories. So we're going to compare the 697 00:34:23,801 --> 00:34:27,418 glycerin 23 to the glycerin max two. 698 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:33,478 So Glycerin Max 2 is $200. The glycerin 23 is 175, I 699 00:34:33,478 --> 00:34:36,547 believe. We're looking at a $25 700 00:34:36,547 --> 00:34:39,313 difference here. What's your initial gut on this 701 00:34:39,313 --> 00:34:43,619 one, y'all? I'm going Glycerin Max 2. by 702 00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:46,452 far. I was frustrated that it was a 703 00:34:46,452 --> 00:34:50,277 lot firmer than I was hoping for, but it is super stable. 704 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,217 It is very well-rockered and balanced. 705 00:34:53,219 --> 00:34:55,438 It's one of those and the durability is insane. 706 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,443 Uh, I'm getting close to 100 miles and I can't dent this at 707 00:34:58,443 --> 00:35:00,753 all, even more so than the previous version, which I 708 00:35:00,753 --> 00:35:03,756 thought for sure I was going to tear this, the piece off because 709 00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:06,058 it's not a full outsole, uh, full length out sole. 710 00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:10,858 It's not coming off. Um, so durability crazy. 711 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:14,874 Just wish it was softer, but what I do like is I didn't have 712 00:35:14,874 --> 00:35:17,338 to worry about sizing. Glycerin max one. 713 00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:19,138 I probably should have got a half-size up. 714 00:35:19,139 --> 00:35:20,818 I made it work because I like the sole so much. 715 00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:25,594 Glycerin, I think I'm struggling with because I'm like in between 716 00:35:25,594 --> 00:35:29,500 sizes, so maybe I'd have a slightly different experience, 717 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:35,132 but for only 25 bucks more with the wider width, the upper is 718 00:35:35,132 --> 00:35:37,438 very nice. It's really, really nice. 719 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,478 So I would, I would go Glycerin Max 2. 720 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,038 It's also fantastic for walking. David, what do you think? 721 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,124 That's a tough one for me. I think for basic training and 722 00:35:47,124 --> 00:35:50,945 just kind of a nice familiar feel, I like the feel of the 723 00:35:50,945 --> 00:35:53,818 glycerin. I think at 175. 724 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:57,780 It feels a little steep in comparison to what else is on 725 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:02,069 the market, whereas the Glycerin Max 2 feels a little bit more on 726 00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:05,487 par. It's also, so the thing with the 727 00:36:05,487 --> 00:36:09,456 Glycerin Max 2, for me personally, I agree with 728 00:36:09,456 --> 00:36:13,418 everything, client said, where platform, I love the shaping, 729 00:36:13,418 --> 00:36:16,679 the midsole, very stable. That forefoot rocker's, hard to 730 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,402 beat. You have like a very rhythmic 731 00:36:18,402 --> 00:36:21,238 step into the, like, you just roll right into that next step. 732 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,158 It's nice. It's a little heavier. 733 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:26,223 You know, it's not going to be going fast at all, but it's 734 00:36:26,223 --> 00:36:28,092 nice. For me, the upper was actually 735 00:36:28,092 --> 00:36:31,347 kind of the deal breaker, and I can acknowledge it's a nice 736 00:36:31,347 --> 00:36:33,635 upper. It's very plush, but it was 737 00:36:33,635 --> 00:36:36,419 almost like too plush. Like my foot was getting really 738 00:36:36,419 --> 00:36:38,611 warm. Um, I, like, I would have to run 739 00:36:38,611 --> 00:36:42,298 early in the morning or else not at all. for me. 740 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,958 And so that's where that deal breaker for me was. 741 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,759 But if I'm choosing one or the other. 742 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,338 I think I am going to go Glycerin Max 2 on this one. 743 00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:52,978 I think I just like the shaping. I like the platform. 744 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:56,218 If I got to live with the upper, between the two. 745 00:36:56,219 --> 00:36:59,387 I think I just get more out of the Glycerin Max 2 than I do out 746 00:36:59,387 --> 00:37:02,419 of the glycerin 23. Um, but the Glycerin 23 is a 747 00:37:02,419 --> 00:37:04,259 nice trainer. I actually really like it. 748 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:05,998 It's just, it's not the most exciting. 749 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,310 It's just a little bit more plush than a Brooks shoe 750 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:11,327 normally would be. But I tend to like firmer shoes 751 00:37:11,327 --> 00:37:15,078 anyways, and however they have that DNA Tuned and Glycerin Max 752 00:37:15,078 --> 00:37:18,276 2. It's like a firm Mac stack, like 753 00:37:18,276 --> 00:37:22,356 really well protective shoot that is really stable and rolls 754 00:37:22,356 --> 00:37:25,618 you like really hard into that next step. 755 00:37:25,619 --> 00:37:28,318 So, I liked it. I liked it a lot. 756 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,064 It was just the upper for me, but I'm going to go Glycerin Max 757 00:37:31,064 --> 00:37:34,078 2. Nice. 758 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:39,838 I think for me, I'm I'm gonna go glycerin 23. 759 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,070 I You've talked about a lot of things about what's worked well 760 00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:48,538 or maybe won't work well for people with the Glycerin Max 2. 761 00:37:48,539 --> 00:37:52,537 The deal breaker for me from a rhythmic standpoint and getting 762 00:37:52,537 --> 00:37:56,555 into it is where the rocker is. It's a little bit later stage 763 00:37:56,555 --> 00:37:59,027 than some other shoes. And for me, I just can't get up 764 00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:01,030 on it. So it feels just heavy and flat 765 00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:03,118 and it's hard for me to utilize the rocker. 766 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,574 So I think that may have to do with my like toe length, so I 767 00:38:07,574 --> 00:38:11,126 may have too long of toes, and that puts my, you know, 768 00:38:11,126 --> 00:38:13,198 metatarsals before where that's going to be. 769 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:17,320 So I just can't get into rhythm in that shoe, making it feel 770 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,118 really just flat and hard to get into any sort of rhythm. 771 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,619 Whereas this was the 1st Brooks glycerin that I've enjoyed 772 00:38:24,619 --> 00:38:26,775 running in. I've actually gotten done with 773 00:38:26,775 --> 00:38:30,548 my testing miles, and then I've gone back and I've pulled it out 774 00:38:30,548 --> 00:38:34,318 to run in, and it's just been for when I need nothing fancy 775 00:38:34,318 --> 00:38:38,459 and just a very simple run. I, I, like you said, if I was 776 00:38:38,459 --> 00:38:41,759 comparing these shoes to other brands, I, I wouldn't pick the 777 00:38:41,759 --> 00:38:45,359 glycerin, but when I compare these 2 to each other, I'd be 778 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:48,659 picking the glycerin because there's a bunch of shoes in the 779 00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,645 $150 realm. You know, I'm even thinking 780 00:38:50,645 --> 00:38:53,686 about like ultra shoes and like these other trainers that I've 781 00:38:53,686 --> 00:38:56,722 really enjoyed that would take the cake for me over the 782 00:38:56,722 --> 00:39:00,031 glycerin. But between these 2 for me, it's 783 00:39:00,031 --> 00:39:03,928 it's the glycerin. And the rockers, kind of the 784 00:39:03,928 --> 00:39:06,958 main thing for my, for me personally. 785 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,656 So, we're going to move to our next shoe, we're running into 786 00:39:10,656 --> 00:39:13,099 the Saucony family. This one, this 1st one we're 787 00:39:13,099 --> 00:39:15,058 gonna talk about. We have a couple comparisons. 788 00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:19,678 This might be one of the biggest differences between shoes of any 789 00:39:19,678 --> 00:39:24,670 of them, and we're going to ask the question, would you get the 790 00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:28,894 Saucony Ride 19, which is $145 or the Saucony Paramount Max, 791 00:39:28,894 --> 00:39:32,938 which what is that running at? Is it 200 or is it 220? 792 00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:35,998 I believe it's 200. Yeah, I need to double check. 793 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,378 I got you guys. Keep going. 794 00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:40,842 We're looking at potentially around a 55 or more dollar 795 00:39:40,842 --> 00:39:44,302 difference between these 2 and the experience in running in 796 00:39:44,302 --> 00:39:46,378 these shoes couldn't be more different. 797 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:49,378 So, Matt, what are you taking? Our review has it at 2 Hondo. 798 00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:55,018 So... So, yeah, the ride is the ride. 799 00:39:55,019 --> 00:39:58,654 It's definitely changed since previous rides were usually 800 00:39:58,654 --> 00:40:01,378 snappy, responsive, a little bit quicker. 801 00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:05,008 This one has changed. It feels like kind of what the 802 00:40:05,008 --> 00:40:09,285 triumph used to be where it was kind of like softer, not as 803 00:40:09,285 --> 00:40:12,246 responsive, maybe like, you know, getting, it's not PWRRUN 804 00:40:12,246 --> 00:40:14,878 PB, but it actually almost feels like that. 805 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,198 It almost looks like it, ironically. 806 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:20,280 It is still PWRRUN Plus. But I think as a simple shoe 807 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,799 that somebody just wants something really nicely 808 00:40:22,799 --> 00:40:23,818 cushioned. Yeah, fine. 809 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:27,946 But, man, the Paramount Max, and I will say the triumphant and 810 00:40:27,946 --> 00:40:31,719 the new triumph even more, like, I'm really enjoying this shoe, 811 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,835 but it is definitely going to be for someone with these specific 812 00:40:35,835 --> 00:40:38,227 tastes. And I think part of it for me 813 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:41,038 personally is I just ride 19, the ride was not exciting. 814 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:45,022 It's just kind of felt a little bit dead, a little bit better 815 00:40:45,022 --> 00:40:46,858 for walking, good entry level shoe. 816 00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:50,698 The Paramount Max just feels way more bouncy, way more exciting. 817 00:40:50,699 --> 00:40:54,283 It's kind of odd though, because I can't run in this shoe all the 818 00:40:54,283 --> 00:40:56,611 time. If I ran an issue all the time, 819 00:40:56,611 --> 00:40:58,678 it would just be too much for me. 820 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,764 So I honestly, we're going to do the the, like, combination, like 821 00:41:01,764 --> 00:41:03,160 all three. I'm definitely picking the 822 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,358 triumph, but between these two. It's a great shoe. 823 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,420 It's a really great example of like crazy like bouncy foams in 824 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:12,478 today's era and I actually may make a 100 miles in this. 825 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,472 I wasn't expecting to do that, but I am enjoying it when I can 826 00:41:15,472 --> 00:41:18,178 tolerate it. So I'm picking this one. 827 00:41:18,179 --> 00:41:24,644 I just can't swallow. The $60 difference for what I do 828 00:41:24,644 --> 00:41:28,824 and what I enjoy doing. So I've I've always enjoyed the 829 00:41:28,824 --> 00:41:30,678 ride. It's gotten, I like the foam, 830 00:41:30,678 --> 00:41:33,967 even though the shoe has kind of morphed over the years, I think 831 00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:37,003 having the Power Run Plus is something that I thought was a 832 00:41:37,003 --> 00:41:40,292 value ad for someone like me, I think the durability of that is 833 00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:43,040 really high. It's it's not as snappy as it 834 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,558 used to be for sure, but I've I've enjoyed that shoe. 835 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:50,021 So just because of how much cheaper it is and how much I can 836 00:41:50,021 --> 00:41:52,738 still get out of that shoe, I'm going there all day. 837 00:41:52,739 --> 00:41:57,507 I will say, though, like, I think that the Paramount Max's 838 00:41:57,507 --> 00:42:00,538 performance for me matches the price point. 839 00:42:00,539 --> 00:42:03,778 I think it feels like a $200 shoe. 840 00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:07,078 It really gives you a lot back in the run. 841 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,472 It feels fun. It feels way lighter because 842 00:42:09,472 --> 00:42:12,478 it's like 10.5 ish ounces in my size nine. 843 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,358 It does not feel like that. It feels much lighter. 844 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,015 Not that I want to go crank out workouts, but it feels light 845 00:42:19,015 --> 00:42:21,186 during easy runs. And so I'm, I'm, that's another 846 00:42:21,186 --> 00:42:24,501 one that I've pulled back out to get runs in, but it just, for me 847 00:42:24,501 --> 00:42:27,595 to have to go buy a shoe, I'm going to be buying the ride 848 00:42:27,595 --> 00:42:30,018 between the 2 every time, just because I'm going to get 849 00:42:30,018 --> 00:42:32,218 everything that I need out of it for my training. 850 00:42:32,219 --> 00:42:35,038 David. We'd say money isn't an option. 851 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,998 Do you go Paramount Max over, right? 852 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,898 Yeah, if money wasn't an option, I would go. 853 00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,378 So you get a genuinely better experience out of the max. 854 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:49,318 Yeah, I do. Just not enough for six years. 855 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,678 For me, I think it's more... It's more fun for sure. 856 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,690 It's not $60 more fun. Yeah, I'm actually, so I'm going 857 00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:58,858 to be the one on the other side. I'm going on ride as well. 858 00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:03,412 Um, Paramount Max. I have, I've run them both, um, 859 00:43:03,412 --> 00:43:05,458 I'll start with the Paramount Max. 860 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:09,802 I don't have my shoe with me. Um, but that Incredible Midsul 861 00:43:09,802 --> 00:43:12,598 is bouncy, right? Like you guys talked about it. 862 00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,358 It's very bouncy. It's very wide underfoot. 863 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,988 Like, it doesn't feel unstable. It gives me a little bit of 864 00:43:18,988 --> 00:43:21,718 Vomero Premium vibes where it's really wide and bouncy. 865 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,158 And it doesn't go that fast? Like, it's just bouncy. 866 00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,038 And for me, it's a lot of sauce. You know what I mean? 867 00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:32,258 Where it's like, I feel like it's just a little much for what 868 00:43:32,258 --> 00:43:35,716 I want out of my training shoe, but not enough for what I want 869 00:43:35,716 --> 00:43:38,639 out of my like responsive shoe. And it just feels like I'm 870 00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,447 moving around a lot of shoe. So like, I don't think the 871 00:43:41,447 --> 00:43:44,630 Paramount Max is the shoe for me, but I think it will be the 872 00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:47,338 shoe for someone else. I think it's really nice here. 873 00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:51,448 Like you said, I think it feels like a shoe that probably can 874 00:43:51,448 --> 00:43:53,338 compete in that $200 price point. 875 00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:56,098 I think from a material standpoint, it's nice. 876 00:43:56,099 --> 00:44:00,298 But I think the ride gives me a much more balanced ride. 877 00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:03,178 I feel like I can get a little bit more utility out of it. 878 00:44:03,179 --> 00:44:06,010 It's also cheaper. And it's also got a pretty good 879 00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:08,658 amount of cushioning under it. Like how Klein said, it feels 880 00:44:08,658 --> 00:44:11,218 kind of like it's PWRRUN PB, even though it's PWRRUN Plus. 881 00:44:11,219 --> 00:44:12,598 It feels a little bit more plush. 882 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,275 Maybe it's not as responsive as some of the previous rides, at 883 00:44:15,275 --> 00:44:18,394 least the way it feels to me, but I think if I'm picking one 884 00:44:18,394 --> 00:44:21,280 or the other, I'm probably gonna go faster in this version of the 885 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,278 ride than I will in the Paramount Max anyways. 886 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,598 So, uh, yeah, I think I'm going to go Saucony Ride. 887 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:31,765 And it's like, what, 145, 150? Yeah, so I'm going to go Saucony 888 00:44:31,765 --> 00:44:35,098 Ride on this one, but I can appreciate the Paramount Max. 889 00:44:35,099 --> 00:44:39,178 I can. So David, for you, I think our 890 00:44:39,178 --> 00:44:43,798 next one was going to be Triumph 24 versus the Paramount Max. 891 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,693 Matt, you had already said your choice, but David, what would 892 00:44:46,693 --> 00:44:48,238 you do? Would you do triumph? 893 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,795 170. You know, very also different 894 00:44:50,795 --> 00:44:53,098 rides, just super soft. What's your take? 895 00:44:53,099 --> 00:44:54,838 Yeah, I'm going to go triumph all the way. 896 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,738 Easy money. You know, I think with that one. 897 00:44:58,739 --> 00:45:03,029 And at 170, I actually think that is very valid of a price 898 00:45:03,029 --> 00:45:07,136 for what that shoe is. I know it didn't agree with you, 899 00:45:07,136 --> 00:45:11,348 but it's I didn't give it agrees with the runner, it is 900 00:45:11,348 --> 00:45:12,478 phenomenal. I got it right here. 901 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,677 It's kind of a dark horse. I don't think it's going to win 902 00:45:15,677 --> 00:45:18,542 an award for me at the end of the year, but I think it's going 903 00:45:18,542 --> 00:45:20,638 to be in the running for an honorable mention most likely. 904 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,089 And I think... Which, you know, that's... 905 00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:25,678 I get 20 honorable mention. so I don't know. 906 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,458 Take it for what that sounds. But I really like it. 907 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:32,518 It's an ATPU-based midsole. PWRRUN Lux, not PWRRUN. 908 00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,804 It's meant to be soft. It's meant to be cushy, but it 909 00:45:35,804 --> 00:45:38,458 brought the weight of the triumph down drastically. 910 00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:42,592 It's like sub 9 ounces, right? I mean, this thing, it is the, I 911 00:45:42,592 --> 00:45:44,518 think it's the lightest premium training. 912 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,398 Yeah, like it's so light and the rocker is dialed in well. 913 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,170 The riot, like, it's so soft on your foot, but like when you're 914 00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:54,353 running, like, so standing and walking, it feels like it might 915 00:45:54,353 --> 00:45:57,306 be a little too soft. But when you run, you compress 916 00:45:57,306 --> 00:46:00,558 that foam a lot quicker and I feel like you can use the 917 00:46:00,558 --> 00:46:03,307 geometry a lot better. And that's where that shoe comes 918 00:46:03,307 --> 00:46:04,822 alive. And I actually really like 919 00:46:04,822 --> 00:46:07,018 running easy in it even though it's really soft. 920 00:46:07,019 --> 00:46:09,565 Well, it's meant to be easy. But I can actually pick up the 921 00:46:09,565 --> 00:46:12,468 pace a little bit too. I actually did take it to the 922 00:46:12,468 --> 00:46:15,679 track and it did okay when it's that light, even though, even if 923 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:18,643 it's not so responsive off the forefoot, you can still turn it 924 00:46:18,643 --> 00:46:21,358 over and it's responsive enough to go do something with it. 925 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,814 And so at 170, I think the Saucony Triumph is quite 926 00:46:25,814 --> 00:46:27,963 triumphant. So, I, like, I said this in the 927 00:46:27,963 --> 00:46:30,358 review and I said this in one of the podcasts earlier. 928 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,352 I think this is the best version of the triumph they've ever 929 00:46:32,352 --> 00:46:34,069 made. And I think it's interesting 930 00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:37,479 too, because it's like, it so clearly delineates the ride from 931 00:46:37,479 --> 00:46:41,509 the triumph, where I felt like the line used to be kind of 932 00:46:41,509 --> 00:46:44,340 muddy. But now it's like very clearly a 933 00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:47,579 different shoe and from a utility standpoint, it's quite 934 00:46:47,579 --> 00:46:50,278 good. I just don't think I like it 935 00:46:50,278 --> 00:46:53,278 enough over some of the other shoes out there. 936 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,479 You know, when we start getting to the end of the year and stuff 937 00:46:55,479 --> 00:46:57,969 or even just now at half point. But it's in the conversation, 938 00:46:57,969 --> 00:47:01,576 you know, where it's like when I start thinking of like, oh, what 939 00:47:01,576 --> 00:47:08,278 are my favorite shoes this year? It does end up making the list. 940 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,872 I would definitely agree from like, I know you 2 have found 941 00:47:10,872 --> 00:47:13,319 that really soft. I actually found this mitzil 942 00:47:13,319 --> 00:47:15,383 pretty responsive. Walking, it's really soft, but I 943 00:47:15,383 --> 00:47:17,847 feel like the ride and the triumph have now switched places 944 00:47:17,847 --> 00:47:20,535 again, where now the ride's kind of like the more relaxed daily 945 00:47:20,535 --> 00:47:23,671 shoe, and the triumph is the, hey, if you want to pick up the 946 00:47:23,671 --> 00:47:26,130 pace, you can't, because it's light enough, and it's got the 947 00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:29,029 kind of foam that maybe it's not the fastest shoe on the market, 948 00:47:29,029 --> 00:47:31,259 but it's definitely the fastest, the premium trainers for sure. 949 00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:35,524 Yeah, for me, if I, if it was pitching the triumph against the 950 00:47:35,524 --> 00:47:38,476 Paramount Max, this is because of my specific, like, 951 00:47:38,476 --> 00:47:42,084 interaction with the shoe and how it, like, aggravated my, my 952 00:47:42,084 --> 00:47:45,358 foot and my kind of chronic issues with my MTP. 953 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,703 I'm going I'm going to spend the extra 30 bucks and get the 954 00:47:49,703 --> 00:47:52,739 Paramount Max because I can run in that shoe because just with 955 00:47:52,739 --> 00:47:56,281 how soft the foam is, it'll it allows my foot to sink into the 956 00:47:56,281 --> 00:47:58,558 mid-sole, and it also has flex in the forefoot. 957 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,654 So I'm getting a little bit of extension just from like loading 958 00:48:01,654 --> 00:48:04,738 it and then more extension from, you know, going through toe off. 959 00:48:04,739 --> 00:48:09,568 So, but I, I, I, that's a personal experience and personal 960 00:48:09,568 --> 00:48:13,216 injury history that's making me. The triumph is also very 961 00:48:13,216 --> 00:48:16,282 neutral, right? Like, so if there are stability 962 00:48:16,282 --> 00:48:20,825 concerns, I don't blame anybody for going Paramount Max over the 963 00:48:20,825 --> 00:48:24,119 triumph. Yeah, I feel like Paramount Max 964 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:28,055 walking feels unstable. Paramount max running feels 965 00:48:28,055 --> 00:48:30,347 fine. Like, for me, it's weirdly, and 966 00:48:30,347 --> 00:48:33,405 it's, I think it's because it didn't agree with Andrea, but 967 00:48:33,405 --> 00:48:37,013 for me, it pushes me so lateral that it really, that works way 968 00:48:37,013 --> 00:48:39,058 better than I would expect. Yeah. 969 00:48:39,059 --> 00:48:42,825 All right, we actually, I said that that might be the biggest 970 00:48:42,825 --> 00:48:45,142 difference. I think our next one is actually 971 00:48:45,142 --> 00:48:46,858 the biggest difference between 2 shoes. 972 00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:52,980 And this is in the Hoka camp, and we can add more layers as we 973 00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:58,284 go, but the 1st one that we're starting with is looking at the 974 00:48:58,284 --> 00:49:02,098 Clifton 10 or the new Skyward X. It's X2 now. 975 00:49:02,099 --> 00:49:05,998 So looking at the Skyward X2, which is what, 225 bucks? 976 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,563 It's got a plate. It's meant for these kind of 977 00:49:09,563 --> 00:49:14,406 easy rolling miles, and then you got the Clifton 10, you know, 978 00:49:14,406 --> 00:49:16,018 they're supercritical EVA midsole. 979 00:49:16,019 --> 00:49:20,279 What do y'all think? 150 bucks usually, I think, for 980 00:49:20,279 --> 00:49:21,854 Clifton. Yeah, I thought it was 981 00:49:21,854 --> 00:49:23,698 compressed molded, but it could be super critical. 982 00:49:23,699 --> 00:49:26,218 That's it. Yes, thank you. 983 00:49:26,219 --> 00:49:31,438 I'm picking Skyward X only for, well, for a couple reasons. 984 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,898 One, durability on Clifton is not good. 985 00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,734 I mean, like, I, it took, and I actually had pain initially 986 00:49:36,734 --> 00:49:39,418 running in this shoe. Um, that broke in. 987 00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:42,223 I think it took a little bit for me for me to break the shoe in, 988 00:49:42,223 --> 00:49:43,798 but the outsole I'm just ripping through pretty quick. 989 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,480 Whereas Skyward X just smooth ride, goes along really, like, 990 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:55,018 it's not a fast shoe, but it just rolls so much as it should. 991 00:49:55,019 --> 00:49:57,959 And the durability is better. My only complaint, though, is I 992 00:49:57,959 --> 00:49:59,878 think the Clifton upper is better. 993 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,958 Just because I am getting that massive taper right here. 994 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,134 So the Skyward X is edging it out just a little bit just 995 00:50:08,134 --> 00:50:10,972 because of the ride. It turns over, like, like, the 996 00:50:10,972 --> 00:50:15,058 long, this is a long run shoe. It is so nice on long runs. 997 00:50:15,059 --> 00:50:18,358 I might have to take a pass on this one. 998 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,558 Um, mainly, so I ran in Skyward X one a fair amount. 999 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,398 I got my Skyward X 2 as I was getting ready for Boston. 1000 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,339 I didn't run in it. We had the saga of stuff after 1001 00:50:29,339 --> 00:50:32,024 Boston with my foot. So I haven't, I haven't actually 1002 00:50:32,024 --> 00:50:33,118 run it. I've walked in it. 1003 00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,119 I wanted to the clinic. I've had general use in it, but 1004 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,089 I haven't actually run it. With that said, I actually do 1005 00:50:39,089 --> 00:50:41,594 like the Clifton 10 a lot. There's a reason why I still 1006 00:50:41,594 --> 00:50:43,510 have it. We got this a long time ago back 1007 00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:47,299 when I launched. And I've always liked the 1008 00:50:47,299 --> 00:50:49,860 Cliftons. Um, and I like that it's like a 1009 00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:53,638 slightly higher drop now too. That favored me with the rocker. 1010 00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:57,720 Um, so, My hunch is that I probably would be leaning 1011 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:02,168 Clifton, however, the foam is quite nice in the Skyward X too, 1012 00:51:02,168 --> 00:51:06,238 but I can't speak on the ride of running in it. 1013 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,218 So I'm going to take a pass on this one. 1014 00:51:08,219 --> 00:51:10,259 Right. Great. 1015 00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:13,310 As am I. So, Matt, you're the only full 1016 00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:15,155 opinion. I haven't gotten the Skyward X 1017 00:51:15,155 --> 00:51:17,458 too, so I can't. I can't speak to that. 1018 00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:20,244 All right, I'm curious. The next Clifton upper might 1019 00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:22,798 help sway me, though, so we'll have to see what happens. 1020 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,654 All right. Our next one here is going into 1021 00:51:27,654 --> 00:51:30,538 Puma, Puma Land. Big cats. 1022 00:51:30,539 --> 00:51:36,875 We're looking at a comparison between the Velocity Nitro 4 and 1023 00:51:36,875 --> 00:51:40,780 the Magnify Max 2. So Matt, what are your thoughts 1024 00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:44,069 on this one? You know, I really like the 1025 00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:48,869 updates to the Mag Max, too. For me, it felt like they kind 1026 00:51:48,869 --> 00:51:52,169 of, they got rid of the excessive posterior flare, the 1027 00:51:52,169 --> 00:51:55,067 heel transitions better. It is definitely the more these 1028 00:51:55,067 --> 00:51:57,639 are not stability shoes. It's definitely the more stable 1029 00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,809 option. The upper is really comfortable, 1030 00:51:59,809 --> 00:52:03,238 but the velocity nitro 4 is a great shoe. 1031 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,726 It didn't fully agree with me because it's not stable enough, 1032 00:52:06,726 --> 00:52:10,334 but it's the, it's an ATPU foam. It's really responsive 1033 00:52:10,334 --> 00:52:11,578 underfoot. It's really nice. 1034 00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:13,378 If you're like a do it all trainer. 1035 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:17,091 This is really good. Like I said, I like the Magnify 1036 00:52:17,091 --> 00:52:18,286 Max. And even though the Velocity 1037 00:52:18,286 --> 00:52:19,798 Nitro 4 doesn't work as well for me. 1038 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,272 If I had more neutral mechanics, this is a fantastic, like, do it 1039 00:52:24,272 --> 00:52:27,264 all shoe. So I got to give a little bit of 1040 00:52:27,264 --> 00:52:30,073 the nod to this because it's also like what, 8.one ounces 1041 00:52:30,073 --> 00:52:32,774 less than that? It's light too, for like a 1042 00:52:32,774 --> 00:52:34,994 standard trainer. So very, very, very nice in that 1043 00:52:34,994 --> 00:52:36,598 regard. David, is something? 1044 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,698 I was just going to ask you and put you on the hot seat here. 1045 00:52:38,699 --> 00:52:41,638 Velocity Nitro 4, deviate pure nitro. 1046 00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:43,798 Yeah, it's gonna do the same thing. 1047 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,858 Oh, I would I would pick the deviate pure. 1048 00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:48,778 Yep. Yeah. 1049 00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:54,499 I think I would too. The, uh, it's 8.6 ounces for the 1050 00:52:54,499 --> 00:52:58,219 nitro four. And Mag Max is like, no. 1051 00:52:58,219 --> 00:53:01,276 Velocity Nitro 4. Mag Max is right around, and I 1052 00:53:01,276 --> 00:53:03,778 can look, well, I got to look that up too. 1053 00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:09,000 But for me, um, I'm, I'm going. this is my one where I would pay 1054 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,584 the extra. So I, I really have been liking 1055 00:53:12,584 --> 00:53:16,198 the Mag Max too. Rockers really dialed in. 1056 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:20,146 The foam hits that sweet spot where it's got some cushion, but 1057 00:53:20,146 --> 00:53:23,098 it's not mushy, and it's also not a brick. 1058 00:53:23,099 --> 00:53:26,518 It's really nice. So I can do a lot in that shoe. 1059 00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,382 It feels stable underfoot. It's really nice, again, for my 1060 00:53:29,382 --> 00:53:32,576 foot that I like the little bit stiffer rocker just because of 1061 00:53:32,576 --> 00:53:34,438 how much foam is living underneath there. 1062 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,618 It hits it hits a lot of good notes for me. 1063 00:53:37,619 --> 00:53:39,480 Could get. I definitely can get long runs 1064 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,338 in in it. I can do easy stuff. 1065 00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:43,900 I'm not going to be doing workouts necessarily, but I 1066 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,708 could pick up the pace just slightly because it's a little 1067 00:53:46,708 --> 00:53:50,278 bit firmer, so it can come with me a little bit on the journey. 1068 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,245 So. That one I'm going to be pulling 1069 00:53:54,245 --> 00:53:58,018 the a little extra cash out out for that one. 1070 00:53:58,019 --> 00:54:01,078 David, do you have thought? I didn't get either. 1071 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:05,998 So in the past, I've liked the deviates, though. 1072 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,098 Deviate 2 is lit. I'm not deviate. 1073 00:54:08,099 --> 00:54:11,471 Sorry, velocity, nitro 2 is lit. Yeah. 1074 00:54:11,471 --> 00:54:15,298 But I haven't had... Oh, 3 of was good too. 1075 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:19,060 Actually, I did have three. Three was very good, but I 1076 00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:23,130 didn't have four. Yeah, the Mag Max is coming in 1077 00:54:23,130 --> 00:54:25,678 just under 10 ounces, like 9.7 ounces. 1078 00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:27,718 Yeah. Cool. 1079 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,998 Great shoe. Yeah, that's a good one. 1080 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,718 All right, let's finish with an on conversation. 1081 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,209 So this will be our last one. So we're looking at the on Cloud 1082 00:54:39,209 --> 00:54:44,818 Monster 3 versus the on Cloud Monster Hyper 3. 3 hyper. 1083 00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:48,058 I, the, 3 hyper. Sorry. 1084 00:54:48,059 --> 00:54:51,658 These, is it the two? It's the three, isn't it? 1085 00:54:51,659 --> 00:54:54,658 Am I crazy? Okay. 1086 00:54:54,659 --> 00:54:57,963 These 2 for having the same name, I don't think, could run 1087 00:54:57,963 --> 00:55:00,598 any different from each other. I agree. 1088 00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,449 These actually might be the most different of anything we've 1089 00:55:03,449 --> 00:55:07,276 talked about. It's, uh, Clifton and Skyward, 1090 00:55:07,276 --> 00:55:10,379 Skyward X2. I guess I ran Skyrix too, but 1091 00:55:10,379 --> 00:55:12,178 that thing's like, those are so different. 1092 00:55:12,179 --> 00:55:15,238 But yeah, what do y'all what do y'all think on this? 1093 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,078 I think Klein and I are probably both gonna say the same thing. 1094 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:27,238 Yeah, David, you go first. Just go buy the hyper. 1095 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,518 It's pretty great. I'm not gonna lie. 1096 00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:31,558 It's really good. It's really good. 1097 00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:36,263 Um, like, yeah, like, this is potentially gonna be on a list 1098 00:55:36,263 --> 00:55:39,428 later this year. Um, but if I'm going to, let's 1099 00:55:39,428 --> 00:55:43,110 say the difference is, you know, the Cloud Monster 3 is going to 1100 00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:45,940 be more your traditional, like, dual layer, cloud tech, firmer 1101 00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:47,638 ride, kind of that structured EVA. 1102 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:52,004 It's more stable on foot. Um, but it's just, it's a little 1103 00:55:52,004 --> 00:55:53,518 heavier. It, not as responsive. 1104 00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:56,278 This is just really just steady rocket ride. 1105 00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,277 Um, I know that stability can be dynamic and Klein feels this is 1106 00:56:00,277 --> 00:56:02,902 probably more stable. It still feels more neutral to 1107 00:56:02,902 --> 00:56:06,015 me, but it feels like it's stabilized compared to what it 1108 00:56:06,015 --> 00:56:08,442 is. So like you have the hyper, the 1109 00:56:08,442 --> 00:56:10,879 Helion HF foam. That's their super foam on the 1110 00:56:10,879 --> 00:56:13,390 top layer here. Then you have this encasing of 1111 00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:15,718 cloud tech that kind of runs around it. 1112 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,398 That's what that pastel yellow is. 1113 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,704 And that firms up the ride just a little bit and gives it a 1114 00:56:20,704 --> 00:56:23,289 little bit of stability and kind of keeps you centered while 1115 00:56:23,289 --> 00:56:25,302 you're running. And it's a really cool feeling 1116 00:56:25,302 --> 00:56:28,386 because you have the softer and bouncy kind of Helion HF, but 1117 00:56:28,386 --> 00:56:31,462 then you have this firming up underneath you that just kind of 1118 00:56:31,462 --> 00:56:32,998 gives you some guidance and stability. 1119 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,238 And it's also lighter than the Cloud Monster 3. 1120 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,819 So it kind of went. By a massive, by a massive. it 1121 00:56:41,819 --> 00:56:44,474 kind of just wins on all fronts. It's like, and it's a really 1122 00:56:44,474 --> 00:56:46,439 nice upper. It's a little bit more 1123 00:56:46,439 --> 00:56:47,938 lightweight. It's very spacious. 1124 00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:50,338 Like the volume's high, but you can lock it down well. 1125 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:53,682 They just, they did a really good job with the cloud monster 1126 00:56:53,682 --> 00:56:56,269 3 hyper. Um, they didn't do a bad job 1127 00:56:56,269 --> 00:56:59,273 with the Cloud Monster 3. I think if you were like buying 1128 00:56:59,273 --> 00:57:02,825 a shoe, a stand and walk and run and kind of just do like all of 1129 00:57:02,825 --> 00:57:05,487 your daily things in the same shoe, the Cloud Monster 3 might 1130 00:57:05,487 --> 00:57:07,918 take, well, it probably would take the nod there for me. 1131 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,890 Uh, but if we're just talking running and training and using 1132 00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:13,858 the shoe, I would pay the extra to get the hyper. 1133 00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:17,589 Yeah, I would. I would too, which is like the 1134 00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:22,501 antithesis of most of my responses today, but of all the 1135 00:57:22,501 --> 00:57:26,515 shoes when you look at comparative models within a 1136 00:57:26,515 --> 00:57:30,975 line, that is just so much better from an experienced 1137 00:57:30,975 --> 00:57:32,759 standpoint, performance, construction, durability. 1138 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,098 Like everything is going to win out with that shoe. 1139 00:57:35,099 --> 00:57:38,339 It is so good. And for me, it's, it's sitting 1140 00:57:38,339 --> 00:57:40,087 upstairs. It never comes down into the 1141 00:57:40,087 --> 00:57:41,664 basement. Like, it always has a spot ready 1142 00:57:41,664 --> 00:57:44,160 because some days I'm just like, I want something I can trust and 1143 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,656 that I'm just going to know I'm going to enjoy, and that's the 1144 00:57:46,656 --> 00:57:50,730 shoe that I'm going to go in. So, you know, it's probably the 1145 00:57:50,730 --> 00:57:55,276 only $220 trainer that I would, you know, potentially actually 1146 00:57:55,276 --> 00:57:57,443 go go buy. Um, it's... 1147 00:57:57,443 --> 00:58:00,658 Oh, Novablast, I didn't agree with you, huh? 1148 00:58:00,659 --> 00:58:04,769 Well, I enjoyed the mega blast. It's just a little, I really 1149 00:58:04,769 --> 00:58:08,025 like it. Like if I was going to go get a 1150 00:58:08,025 --> 00:58:11,685 if I'm in shape to do like distance racing, that would be 1151 00:58:11,685 --> 00:58:16,259 probably my 1st shoe I would get to like do my next half or full. 1152 00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:19,558 Uh, but I wouldn't want it for like training stuff. 1153 00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:26,249 But it is a trainer. Yes, but for me, with the 1154 00:58:26,249 --> 00:58:30,418 wobbliness of it right now, yeah. just the, I don't know. 1155 00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:34,455 It's a great shoe, the cloud monster hyper, 3 hyper, 1156 00:58:34,455 --> 00:58:36,298 whatever. I never get that order correct. 1157 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,878 Matt, what do you think? I 100%. 1158 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,900 I think on was a bit more intentional this year about what 1159 00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:46,582 they were shooting for, whereas the on Cloud Monster 2 was 1160 00:58:46,582 --> 00:58:49,254 definitely responsive and carried that from version one, 1161 00:58:49,254 --> 00:58:53,262 and then the on Cloud Monster hyper original was just like, I 1162 00:58:53,262 --> 00:58:55,738 know David loved it. I think Nathan, you liked it. 1163 00:58:55,739 --> 00:58:57,298 I just didn't find it responsible. 1164 00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,478 I would have much rather... It was just nice. 1165 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,956 I would have much rather, would have much rather just chosen the 1166 00:59:04,956 --> 00:59:08,313 inline Cloud Monster, and then they really differentiated this 1167 00:59:08,313 --> 00:59:12,043 where the Cloud Monster 3 is definitely your like walking 1168 00:59:12,043 --> 00:59:15,773 standing shuffling shoe, and then the on Cloud Monster 3 1169 00:59:15,773 --> 00:59:17,638 hyper is your hyperperformance shoe. 1170 00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:20,231 Like, I'm really enjoying it. The only reason I haven't run 1171 00:59:20,231 --> 00:59:23,053 nearly as much in it is because I have the LS version, which I 1172 00:59:23,053 --> 00:59:26,027 have got 150 miles on. That's like, it's been 1173 00:59:26,027 --> 00:59:29,228 fantastic. So, From just to like, if you 1174 00:59:29,228 --> 00:59:33,098 want a running performance trainer, the hyper is just a 1175 00:59:33,098 --> 00:59:35,158 not, it's non-negotiable. That's it. 1176 00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:37,798 It's so good So I just, yeah, pick that one, obviously. 1177 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,843 But I think what we really, what the, what we really want to 1178 00:59:41,843 --> 00:59:46,197 know, Matt, for you is if we add in the Cloud Surfer Max, that 1179 00:59:46,197 --> 00:59:48,058 probably wins for you then, right? 1180 00:59:48,059 --> 00:59:52,840 No, it says, no, no, ha, ha, no. What if we added the cloud boom, 1181 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,558 Max? That just still makes me sad. 1182 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,798 I look at it all the time and I'm like, should I try it again? 1183 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,579 Will it be different this time? And every time it's like, nope, 1184 01:00:02,579 --> 01:00:07,498 this, that's going to work for somebody out there, not for me. 1185 01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:11,349 so good Well, we're excited to hear what you all think, what 1186 01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:15,172 you would choose, or if there's shoes that didn't get put into 1187 01:00:15,172 --> 01:00:17,398 the conversation, what would you be picking? 1188 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,364 If you have other things that you'd like us to talk about on 1189 01:00:20,364 --> 01:00:21,958 the podcast, we're always open for suggestions. 1190 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,078 You can reach out to us at doctorsofrunning@gmail.com. 1191 01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:29,534 Again, we are super excited to drop our collab apparel with 1192 01:00:29,534 --> 01:00:32,290 rabbit. So please keep checking our 1193 01:00:32,290 --> 01:00:33,658 website. Keep checking Rabbit. 1194 01:00:33,659 --> 01:00:36,346 It's going to be available for sale on their website during 1195 01:00:36,346 --> 01:00:38,398 that pre-sale period. Thanks all for joining us. 1196 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:52,798 We'll see you next time. Sorry, BJ. 1197 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,438 I've coughed multiple times. My headphones hit the mic. 1198 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,938 You gonna have a lot of editing from my side. 1199 01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:57,239 My bad.