Hello everybody and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast,
where we, a group of Doctors of Physical Therapy, Discuss the
art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our
feet. Today at the round table, we
have Dr. Matthew Klein, Dr. David Salas and myself.
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different colors. Um, but yeah, it's been a
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The Go-To Crew and the Go-To Hoodie that we have, like, and
the Go-To Hoodie will be the DOR released one, but the material
on the inner part of that is so nice.
I find myself wearing it like all the time.
Now that it's going closer to the summer months, I probably
won't be wearing it quite as much.
But the EZT material I will be. But I already, like, obviously
we got seated our apparel for this launch, but I will actually
be personally buying another set of each of these, I like it that
much. So I don't take it for what it's
what it's worth, I guess, but I will be purchasing alongside
y'all in the pre-sale. Um, as a member of DOR.
So yeah. I'm doing the same thing
actually. Yeah.
I'm pretty, I'm, I'm excited. It's just a fun.
It's a fun thing that I think if we take down kind of the 4th
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Like, it's not even stuff that we thought about because we were
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friends, and I feel like we're still doing it the exact same
way that we have for the last, however many, wow, like 7 years
now that we've been doing this. So we're just thankful for
everyone who's been on this journey with us.
So, all right. We have a really fun episode
today. going to be doing a this or that episode with a pretty
specific focus where we're going to be comparing kind of the
cheaper and more expensive options of different shoes from
different companies, primarily looking at trail models and kind
of asking that question, like, which one would you pick?
What's the value? What's the performance and kind
of having some discussion around that?
But before we do that, we gotta obviously talk about what we
currently have in for testing. So what have you all had on your
feet and otherwise? Matt, you can go.
I'll go. Uh, I'm glad we talk right
before the podcast because one of them I can't talk about, even
though I am really enjoying it. One of the other ones is the
Deviate Nitro Pure has been a really, really great shoe.
It seems to have balanced out. Man, the color is going crazy on
this. What I really liked about this
is a couple changes that Puma made.
First of all, unlike the some of the other Nitro shoes, the
midfoot does not narrow, that's been really nice.
I will note that when I 1st ran that shoe, it did, the midfoot
transition felt a little clunky, which is totally normal when you
have a little additional stiffness, but once it breaks
in, it's totally fine. I am in a not in not like I have
this big plan, but I'm in this like no super racer block where
I'm just kind of working on getting back in shape and trying
to just get my legs under me again.
And this has been a go to for workouts.
It's been awesome. The drop is like just in the
right place where it doesn't feel too low, too high.
Upper is snug in a good way where it's like when you're
running fast. It just kind of disappears.
When you walk in it, you're definitely like, oh, this is a
little lower volume, a little bit snug up in the forefoot, but
outside of that, the upper stretches like puma stuff always
does. And durability's been good.
I think I've got 40, almost 50 miles of my pair and
everything's intact. Nothing's gotten pulled off yet.
So it's been really solid. Not a stability shoe, but just
stable enough for me with just the wider midfoot that it's
actually been pretty good. I've got I've been running in
that one too. I put it in the category of kind
of the Evo SL, those very simple, because this is like, I
think 150 in that realm, price wise.
And so it's right in that category where there's nothing
fancy about it, but it just, it's really nice.
It's that lightweight trainer. You can do a lot of different
things in it. Um, I'm curious how it like
holds up over time. You know, I think that's going
to be the question and, um, I'm not doubting anything
necessarily. I'm just saying that will be the
question to see how does it do with lots of miles over time,
but it's just very simple, very light.
I think that geometry is nice. They've got a nice bevel here.
I'm excited to get more miles in it.
It is one of the 1st trainers that they have where they
actually really got the bevel decent and didn't like bias it
medially. That's been something they've
always done. I don't know why.
This one's very centered, breaks in really nicely.
And I ran in it earlier today, and I can say the same things.
I really liked it. There's like a beautiful like
simplicity to the shoe. Like you said, it's just, it's a
nice foam. It's lightweight.
It a good upper, but it's nothing like crazy.
There's no major bells or whistles to it, but it runs
smooth at daily paces. I did do some pickups, you know,
as low as maybe 520-ish and it felt great.
You know, I mean, I don't know how it's going to feel like
turning over, turning over, but like going marathon pace and a
little bit faster because there's Lord knows I ain't run a
marathon at 520s right now. It felt good.
It felt like really good. And people who are listening to
this podcast, no, I'm a fan of the Saucony Endorphin Azura.
This feels like competition to the Azura, both at price point.
different rides, but I think experience wise, like, I really
like both of them. So this is, I'm going to have to
get more miles in both and do a head-to-head there or something
because they are heavy headers for this year.
Yep. Definitely agree.
Do you know what's another shoe company that popped into my mind
when I got the shoe? Was Atreyu.
Oh, a little bit. Like the simplicity.
I think they're done. They might be done, right?
Rest, I believe, rest. Yeah, I think it was...
That's just kind of the simplicity of the shoe and
that's kind of what they were going for.
Yeah, nicer foam though. You create the same shoe over
and over. Yeah, nicer foam than a true.
There's a series of 5 and the listeners can feel free to
correct me. like, I feel like Pure, Rebel, uh, Azura, Evo SL,
and then we have not tested this yet, but Mach 7 kind of sits, I
feel like, in... like, kind of like a 5 in a, like,
performance. Yeah, Mach 6.
Yeah. Yep.
So I think it's a good option because they're all kind of in
that 150 range, which is fairly standard now.
You get a lot of performance out of them, but there's the
versatility train, which I think is great.
Speaking of more, uh, kind of on the, still crazy, that 150 is
the lower end, but even lower than that, like, I'm excited for
the updated Rincon coming. Oh, it's been a funny.
That's going to be a shoe. It's been a while since I've,
since I've tested one, so that'll be fun.
Yep. I do have something else.
Great, I'm not going to get in trouble for this.
Can't talk about this. Yeah.
Sweet. So Topo has their connect, which
I didn't know. I mean, there's a there's a
decent number of companies that do something similar to this.
So you have Vivo Barefoot, you have Xero, which you've been a
fan of. I have really enjoyed this as
another, like, kind of clinic day shoe.
I have only run a little bit in it.
It is a little bit heavier for what it is, but I think that
comes from the soul, which is Vibram and has some really good
grip on it. What I've loved it for is
lifting, walking, standing all day.
It's been a great shoe. Again, the all black color is
helpful for someone treating in clinic quite a bit, but just
really comfortable and really secure, which is nice.
So it's really nice to finally see Topo go, hey, we're going to
take our shot. I think they did a good job.
It's very different from a lot of the others in this area.
Doesn't have the same ground feel.
There's still like for this kind of minimal shoe.
Again, for the, and I need to remember the listeners can't see
this. We got a couple emails recently
like, what shoe are you talking about?
So it's the topo connect, which is their like really minimal
training, daily trainer, walking shoe.
Is it considered a running shoe? Are they classifying it?
Is that or is that? I think it's their primary.
Yeah. But it's just a very low to the
ground minimal shoe from Topo that I'm really enjoying.
Tons of flexibility, really good grip.
There's just a little bit more than competitors in terms of
like the amount of foam between your foot in the ground, which I
think is fine. Because, again, when I'm in
clinic, I am, it is a hospital. It's, I'm standing on hard
floors all day, so it is nice to have a little bit there. between
your foot and the ground. So haven't got enough running
miles in it yet. The one I did do, the grip is
really good, and I was actually impressed I could do this as my
Achilles is actually doing better, which is surprising.
But yeah, really impressed so far and loved the toe box and
good, good. can't believe it's. I think this is the 1st kind of
shoe like this. They done correctly. something.
That might be... How is that?
XC6 when you prefer between the two.
I think at the moment, I prefer this one, but the ST, I think,
is like the ST a lot. So I just need, yeah, it's a
good shoe. I think just the look and
traction thing is winning me over right now.
The ST6 has more to it though than that shoe.
Like by a pretty decent amount. Like there's actually like a
foam midsole in the ST6, whereas...
This is getting closer. Oh, there's not a phone.
It's just like the outsole to the...
Oh, I thought you said there was...
No, I mean, it's thicker outsole than a lot of companies, but,
oh, I didn't even know that when you pulled the insole out,
there's actually like, you could actually wear this without the
insole, I didn't realize that. There's like a little there's a
little bed in there, but the ST6 has like a real midsole.
I, I, I've enjoyed both of those ST6 and the Topo Connect.
I've preferred the ST6 personally for my lifting and
plyos and stuff. I just like having that little
bit more, but I've enjoyed the connect for more just like daily
stuff. So that's been more of my around
the house, around work, walking casual.
And then the ST6. I've just, you know, that's a
preference thing. I just like having a little bit
of foam underneath for comfort. So, do you have any others,
Matt? Um, I forgot to bring it out.
I am still getting miles on the Kayano 33.
It is not softening at all. Gotten lots of comments on the
videos. Thank you everybody for watching
and giving your feedback, going, oh, it feels much better,
softer. I don't know what you all are
feeling. That thing is so firm to me, but
I'm going to keep getting miles on it, even though it makes my
knee ache every time I run in it.
I' going to keep doing it. And fit is still really nice.
I will, I will admit that. I'm getting a little bit of
blisters on my forefoot from sliding, but I'm going to keep
taking getting miles on this and see if I can find that sweet
spot, but I haven't found it yet.
Nice. I have only one other shoe that
I want to talk about today. The other one is the same as
Matt's that we can't talk about yet.
But, um, I think y'all have had this issue for a while, but it
just showed up for me last week and it's the Mizuno NeoVista 3.
So I got my 1st longer run in this.
It was about 8.5 miles that I that I did in this shoe.
I think this is my favorite NeoVista yet.
I think that they have... It might not be the, I feel like
the 1st one had a little bit more aggressive geometry and a
little more kind of soft bounce to it.
I think this one feels more controlled, but I'm appreciating
that for where I'm personally at right now, and it just feels
like I'm, it's always moving forward, whereas sometimes with
how much the rocker was in the early version.
I felt like I got caught on the NeoVista's rocker in a way that
wasn't beneficial. I think a couple things they're
doing with their geometry. I think, again, the rocker is
just a little bit more chill, a little bit more gradual.
But the other thing that I like that they did with the midsole
is the sculpting on the medial and lateral side.
So on the lateral side, you've got this kind of incut or it's a
little bit con cave, whereas on the medial side, it's totally
flat or even a little bit convex or ball this there.
That just gives it a little bit of structure to how the foam is
going to get loaded because it is still really compliant foam.
It's got, you know, a fun plate design that they put in there,
but that little bit of a cutout allows for the shoe to compress
a little bit more on the lateral side.
It just gives that little bit of guidance.
And I just appreciated that. And I don't need like structure
stability, but I like that they give a purpose to how much soft
foam exists in this shoe and it worked well for me in that run
and I'm excited to get more miles on it.
It just feels like it could be a workhorse.
I also think they've, they're, they just are really committed
to this booty construction upper, which can have tons of
problems if it doesn't fit you right.
This feels like the best ones so far. for me in the what for what
it's worth category. I don't know how it's working
for you all, but the 1st one, um, I was just getting a lot of
like overlap of it and this one fit me well and I didn't really
have to use the laces too much. So, but that's the, that's the
thing. It's like when it works for one
person. It's not going to work for
another with the booty construction.
Yeah, I definitely will say, I love everything about this shoe
except for this little extra bit of padding right here.
Oh, yeah. 10 goes, and that is making that.
Everything else is great. That just is making it very
challenging for me personally. Should we add this to the list?
This versus writer? Maybe we bring it up.
Maybe we do. David, what about you?
You're just getting back into somebody.
Yeah, I think as of today, it's 6 days in a row of running now.
I've kept the miles low. I haven't done anything crazy,
so if you've been following. I mean, we're talking maybe 5K
worth of mileage per day, which is something, right?
Like it starts to build and I'm planning on making this grow
organically. hopefully. Um, but yeah, I mean, definitely
wearing a few different shoes, getting a few different reviews
out again. Um, getting to those trail
reviews, finally, for all the people that have been waiting.
Um, so, just finished the write-up on this, depending on
release schedule. Um, for DOR, may or may not be
out. But this is the Inov-8 Trail Fly
0 version two. Um, this is an interesting one.
I liked it. I just I don't know if I liked
it enough to justify the price point.
It's at like 175. And, um, And to like take it
over some of the other trail models I really like.
But this is meant to be an aggressive, like, nimble trail
running shoot for, like, specifically for technical
terrain. Its stack is super low.
It's like 12 mils and it's 0 drops.
So it's 12 millimeter in the heel, 12 in the 4 foot.
That doesn't include the footbed.
The footbed, I think, is 6 millimeter.
So it's like 18, give or take of total stack.
But it doesn't feel bad. Like, and then it's a super
critical midsole, but the, I mean, there's not that much
foam, so it's still feels really firm when you're landing.
He, um, it doesn't, it's supposed to be pretty
responsive. It doesn't feel that responsive
to me, but it feels steady and it feels really sturdy.
Like going over rocks and things like that, I felt very confident
running in it. And when you look at the upper,
there's a lot of external reinforcement, just everywhere.
And this thing holds its shape really well.
And so I think they did a really good job with it.
I just don't think for what it is, 175 is the price I would pay
for it. I think if it was closer to that
150, I think that would be a really solid option.
But at 175. I just think the competition's a
little too stiff. Um, but if you want something
very low to the ground, you can feel everything but still be
protected, because the lugs too, like, being that low to the
ground, I didn't feel like the rocks were pushing into my feet
at all. Like I did feel protected, which
is huge. So that one, just finished the
write-up on that one. Another one that I'm super
excited about that I can talk about is the Adidas Terrex,
Agravic, SL. So this is going to be a
evolution of the Terrex lineage, and the Agravic SL, essentially,
is taking a baby between the Adizero Evo SL and the Adizero
Agravic Speed family, where they use Lightstrike Pro for Trail
Racing. And so the goal of this is
specifically to just kind of be a super trainer, but for trails.
And it's Lightstrike Pro, midsole, full contact,
continental outsole, variable depth on the lugs.
It's 3.5 to 4 millimeters. And it's just kind of a gently
rocker design. Solid synthetic mesh upper.
I thought it was interesting. A lot of Adidas shoes tend to
have kind of low volume and narrow midfoots.
This is actually surprisingly spacious.
Like, if I hold it up to the camera, like, it's it's a solid
shoe. This is one, I made a video
about this earlier in the day too.
So this, that video will probably be out by the time this
airs, but I felt like this stacks up to me with some of my
favorite trail models of the year so far.
And that goes up against the Salomon Ultra Glide 4 that goes
up against the North Face Vectiv Enduris 500 version 2.
Um, big fan of the Agravic SL. So that will be coming shortly
to our reviews. Deviate Pure Nitro, also running
in that. Obviously, I just ran it this
morning. Sorry, Klein was holding up the
Terrex Agravic Speed Ultra, I believe, or TT.
What was it? Yeah.
Yeah, two. Yeah.
No, the, the, the... Yeah, the Speed 2 was like ultra
speed. Yeah, ultra Speed Ultra.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't get the speed ultra,
but I got the speed two. And the speed 2 was a little too
aggressive for me. Like my foot and my Achilles, I
was like, oh, man, like I know this is a sub ultra trail racer,
but like, I don't I don't think I can do it.
But the Agravic SL, like I, oh, it's also pretty lightweight.
I didn't mention that. It's like 9.4 ounces for a trail
model. Yeah, very light for a trail
shoe. The Lightstrike Pro is snappy
and responsive. It's protective, but it's not
like mushy soft. Like it feels firmer than the
audio's pro Lightstrike Pro. Um, so yeah, I'm actually a
really big fan of the graphic SL.
So, stoked. How's the stability?
Because, like, you said, like, the speed was a little wobbly.
I didn't get the speed, but the ultra, the speed ultra 2, that's
got a serious case of the wobbles.
Not too bad. Actually, the full contact axle
is good. It looks more narrow on the
camera than it is, but I feel like this is wider.
It's probably closer to also what I'll be getting reviewing
soon. Agravic 4. getting all these
trail miles. But I don't know, it's neutral.
I wouldn't say it's, you know, a stability trail model, but it
doesn't feel unstable. I felt fine going over rocks and
taking turns and things. I had to take a 180 on a dog and
I was able to do that. So on a downhill too.
I was like descending and I was like, oh, F word.
And then, like, dog came from, I had to flip a U and get out of
there. Um, so I was able to do that and
I didn't turn my ankle. So, I don't know.
I'll give it some props there. Um, so there's that.
That was the shoe, not your fibularis muscles.
Yeah, it's always the shoe, right?
And then one that we haven't talked about yet, um, for basic
review, we mean Topo Magnify 6. So pretty excited about this
one. We've always liked the magnify.
I feel like the upper is always a home run on that.
It's no, they didn't stop here. It's still a really nice upper,
fits really well. I feel like it's a little more
spacious in the midfoot than previous magnifies, which I
appreciate because I feel like I remember we like would hype up
magnify 4 upper specifically. And that one was like really
nice, but at the arch, I could just feel it pushing up just a
little bit. like in that midfoot.
Not enough to like call it out per se, but this one I feel like
cleans that up. Obviously, it's 2 versions
later, but it's not really the most exciting foam.
You know, it's just it's Zipfoam.
It, kind of a basic EVA, 0 mil, drop, moderate stack height
shoe, but I think it's going to be really nice for long, easy
and daily miles. So I'm actually, I'm quite
excited. It's been good in the clinic so
far when I've worn it in the clinic.
Uh, I wore that shoe last week and didn't realize it was 0
drop, and I was like, and Achilles did fine, which I was
like, oh, and I, I will say, yeah, it is Zipfoam, but, you
know, they are slowly improving it where it's, it's definitely
not the same as older Zipfoams. There's a little, it's not a
crazy superfoam. There's just enough to go, oh,
this is this is nice. It's not a super foam, but it's
still nice. Yeah, just a nice training
that's sold. That what it feels like. when
I'm wearing it. But yeah, that's what I got.
I don't think about anything else besides these other 20
shoes to my left. Yeah, no, that's all for the
episode at that point. So, yeah.
That's what I got. Sorry, that's a long in for
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head here. What going on?
Dude, the cucumber lime is still killing it and it bothers me
that I like it still. Because you used to make fun of
people. Yes, I did.
And now I have to eat that. Or drink.
Or yeah. So I also will note that BJ, I
think it was BJ or BJ, dangerous combination, where they
suggested, or maybe it was David, sparkling water, a half
scoop of the watermelon, and a half scoop of the, like,
cucumber lime is... Yeah, that was... can't stand
sparkling water. It wasn't me.
Yeah, got it. Okay.
For me, my favorite flavor, hands down is the mango.
I don't think y'all have tried the mango, but it is...
I've got the guava on here. There's a there's a mango super
fuel that I'm kind of, what's the high carb?
Yeah, the super fuel. Super high car.
We're almost there. Super high carb.
Then we call it... Yeah.
They have. I'm kind of curious in that one
to be honest. It used to be culture, but they
switched it over to super high carb.
I have the mango version of that.
I haven't used it yet because I haven't been going long enough
to warrant it yet, but they're sport hydration I have been.
Okay, let's dip into the this or that for this episode.
As I mentioned earlier, what we're going to do is kind of our
normal this or that, it forces us to pick between 2 options and
justify our choice. But what we're doing is the
theme of this, this or that, is having to pair 2 different
trainers that are within the same company and talk about the
one that maybe is a little bit more on the cheaper end versus
the one that's their premium option.
And then we have to pick which one would we choose if we were
going out to buy it and maybe the case use for each of us and
why we may choose it. We don't have strict rules on
this, like, oh, it's your one shoe, like you don't have a shoe
rotation. We're not going to be that
strict with it. We're going to let it flow
different directions and just see how we talk about who it
might be the pick for and who it might not be the pick for.
You already? Okay.
So we're going to start with ASICS.
Maybe alphabetical. Maybe it just randomly is the
1st one that we we put on our list when we were brainstorming.
And we got a couple within... Because Adidas is before ASICS,
if Adidas comes up at any point in the episode. a good point.
People will say that we're spons- people were saying we
were sponsored by ASICS at one point.
Yeah, I remember that. I was like, I think it was like
a year or 2 ago and they were doing really well.
We're like, well, it's good. be like, oh, you've been overly
positive. Yeah, they're not going to not
going to like me as much this year.
So no, they don't sponsor us. I'm not being mean.
Oh, it was always like Nike show or something like that, right?
I don't know. thinks, yeah. No, for us, it was, we were
called the ASICS Shills for a little bit.
So it's okay. Here we are.
We're going to talk about ASICS. So we have got a couple within
here, but the 1st one is looking at the new Novablast 6 or the
Superblast 3. So a couple things that I think
I know about these shoes. You know, you're looking at
Novablast 6. You're looking at.
I think 155. I think it jumped up 5 bucks.
and then you have the Super Blast 3 that's in the 225 realm,
right? That's still floating there.
220, 225? You're looking at different foam
compounds. They're pretty different shoes
from a construction standpoint, a lot more foam and stack.
Well, I guess 4 millimeters. I don't know if that's
considered a lot or not, but you got like about 4 millimeters of
stack in the super blasting compared to the nova blast.
The weights are the same. pretty much within 0.one ounces of each
other and they both have an 8 millimeter drop.
So, you know, we're looking at a pretty decent, you know, $50,
well, 70, $65 price difference. What do you what do y'all think
on this? I will say other major thing is
like very different foam. So, like, FF Blast+, FF Leap,
sorry, primarily, um, with the bottom layer of, I think, yeah,
blast. No, the bottom layer is blast
plus the bottom. So the leap is like one of their
top foams and one of the reasons why it kind of was difficult for
me with the shoe because it was so soft, it's gotten a little
bit better, but the nova blast's going to have the FF blast max
with the the puck, not puck, but like the the forefoot pod of
FlightFoam Turbo². So kind of different direction
there. But yeah, weights have gotten
similar over the years. They used to be decent, like a
decent amount up, but Superblast 3, I think, got it, is still a
teeny bit heavier than some of the older ones.
If I remember correctly, is it 8.3?
It's ounces 8.0. No it's higher. 8.7, 8.6.
Yeah. And then the Novablast is, what,
9 point? No it's 8.8 now, totally right.
Yeah, so right. So it dropped a lot of weight.
Yeah, from a, it just really depends on what you want.
I think from a, like, trainer perspective, the Novablast is
for, like, being 65 bucks less. It's not my favorite shoe on the
market and I was, I, wasn't my favorite, but I think for a lot
of people, they're probably going to get more out of it for
that price just because with the FF leap.
Like it's kind of a, the Superblast is like, you got to
be running faster to really get a lot out of this, in my
opinion. There's a lot of people that are
doing exactly the opposite, but Novablast isn't my favorite, but
you're picking it. Yeah, initially.
Let me think of this. take back seats.
David, what do you think? I get to think.
Is that a rough week? Yeah, it's a tough one.
This, sir, I get 5 options instead of those three. okay.
It's a tough one for me. I like the Novablast. you know I
do like it a lot. I thought it was full length
turbo squared, is it not? No, just a...
If you look at the bottom? Yeah.
It's just in the forefoot, but it spans out bigger.
Than what it looks like. footprint on the bottom.
Yeah, it spans up to basically the full foot.
Got it. Yeah, I like it.
I think, but I did run like just about 23 miles out the box in
the Super Blast 3. And that did actually happen for
better or worse on my body. But I think from...
Would you do that in the Nova? That's what I don't I don't
think I would. I think I think the softer FF
Leap actually is. So neither of these shoes have
like a massive heel level and they can be a little bit choppy,
but that softer FF Leap eased that transition at initial
contact for me and for just easy shuffling paces, especially if
I'm going really long. I actually found like I got more
out of the shoe in the Super Blast 3 than I felt like I did
in the Novablast in the runs that I have done in the
Novablast so far. And when I 1st ran into the
Novablast, I was like, oh, this is a nice trainer.
I do like it. But I wasn't like itching to go
run more and more. Where, like, in the Super Blast
3, Once I got into rhythm, I was like, oh, shoot, like how far
are we going to go today? And then it was like, I'll go to
the next street. I'll go to the next street.
Guess I'm just doing a whole lap
of Golita. Like, and that's kind of what
happened with the Super Blast. So now it is a pretty large
price difference. And I will say, like, Klein
said, like, this will be user dependent because FF Leap is
soft. You know, for better or worse,
it is very soft. It is very compliant.
It does have a decent balance to it, but the blast, like the
blast plus kind of stabilizes that a little bit on the
underside and kind of dampens how much you get back from the
leap, but it stabilizes it better.
So I actually find the Super Blast 3 to be better at rhythmic
paces than I do going fast. It feels like it bottoms out a
little bit for me if I try to go fast.
But if I'm just logging big long run miles and daily miles, I
think I actually am going to go super blast three.
I think the $60 upgrade is I think it might be warranted
here, especially from a durability standpoint.
I haven't put a dent in this thing yet.
And I feel like if it's like my shoe and I'm just, I'm just
going to town on the thing. Yeah, I feel like it, I think it
does make up its value. I will also acknowledge the
durability seems to be cool. I have over 100 miles on Super
Blast 3 and the durability seems really good.
I haven't torn anything off. Um, this, for those who can't
see you listening, I mean, I am starting to wear through the
outsole, but it took me 100 plus miles even to get just a little
bit of abrasion. Which for you is a lot.
That's a big deal. So versus the Novablast, I'm
starting to see some a little bit early where people had some
concerns about Turbo², the previous one, which I didn't.
The midsole did flatten out. So I can totally see that.
I do have another comparison, but Nathan, you go first.
Yeah, I'm totally cheating already because I'm going to buy
the Super Blast too for 150 bucks.
So... I just...
That's a no-brainer. I'm just the one that talks
about shoes I can't talk about. I'm supposed to be the one
cheating on rules and I hear I am like well behaved in both of
these guys. being a good boy. Yeah, but actually, that is 100%
what I would do right now. I would go out and I would buy
for just within the ASICS line. I would go buy the Super Blast
too. It's nothing like the Super
Blast 3. It's got the FlightFoam Turbo²,
so it's gonna be a little bit firmer, but it's got that little
bit of pop. It felt so versatile for me.
I did so many long runs in that shoe, so many training miles in
that shoe, and a couple workouts and I'm not that fast.
You know, I'm, when for my workouts, the fastest I'm
getting is like 6.30-ish per mile.
Um, so it was great for all of that stuff.
So that's what I'm doing. But if I had to keep Super Blast
3 on the table, I'm going Novablast, I've, I think that
the Novablast 6, I had a video, the video is out on this where I
compare the 5 and the 6 to each other.
There isn't anything super remarkable in my experience so
far that this new construction with the FlightFoam Turbo² is
having for me with the Novablast 6, but it feels like a
Novablast, and I like the Novablast, and I can get a ton
out of a Novablast. I can do a lot of easy stuff.
I can do a little bit of workouts.
So I'd go Novablast. Especially right now, I'm not
doing, I mean, like I did my long run and it was, you know,
75 minutes and I'm running about 8.5 miles for that.
So I don't need. I don't need a super blast.
So I'm going, I'd be going nova all day for this one for that
price difference. Matt, you got something else?
Yeah, I'm also holding up the Nimbus 28, which I honestly like
better than, yeah, which I like better than both them.
And again, it's only going to be 15 bucks now, 15 bucks more.
It's 170 um, than the Novo Blast 6.
And I, I'm just struggling with FF Blast Max.
I like the plus a lot more, this version, and I like, it felt a
little bit snappier. It's way more stable than the
other two. It's probably been my favorite
ASICS shoe that's come out this year and I still had some
complaints about it, but like fits really nice, versatile for
me. I done workouts, long runs, easy
runs. I have 100 miles.
I need to do a 100 mile review, which is now probably too late,
because it came out a while ago, but yeah, this is actually my
pick of all 3 by far. Yeah.
It just works on number for me personally.
If you add that one to the list. What do you think?
I think I'm still going to go super.
I like the Nimbus. I actually like the Nimbus a
lot, but for me, it's only like easy shuffling where I get a
little bit more versatility out of the nova.
I would pick Nova over Nimbus for me personally.
And then Super has the option to go a little bit faster as well.
I think I'm going to go Super Nova Nimbus.
But the funny thing is, is I actually like all three.
So, um, they haven't like missed on me.
I know that like Klein struggled with some of the newer ASICS
models. For me, I actually have liked
all of them. So, um, yeah, I didn't get the
new Kayano, so I can't speak to that one.
But, yeah, I would probably go in that line, Super Blast, Nova,
Nimbus. Sweet.
All right, we're going to move to our next one then.
We're going to talk in the Brooks family.
And with this one, again, we're looking at these in their
trainer categories. So we're going to compare the
glycerin 23 to the glycerin max two.
So Glycerin Max 2 is $200. The glycerin 23 is 175, I
believe. We're looking at a $25
difference here. What's your initial gut on this
one, y'all? I'm going Glycerin Max 2. by
far. I was frustrated that it was a
lot firmer than I was hoping for, but it is super stable.
It is very well-rockered and balanced.
It's one of those and the durability is insane.
Uh, I'm getting close to 100 miles and I can't dent this at
all, even more so than the previous version, which I
thought for sure I was going to tear this, the piece off because
it's not a full outsole, uh, full length out sole.
It's not coming off. Um, so durability crazy.
Just wish it was softer, but what I do like is I didn't have
to worry about sizing. Glycerin max one.
I probably should have got a half-size up.
I made it work because I like the sole so much.
Glycerin, I think I'm struggling with because I'm like in between
sizes, so maybe I'd have a slightly different experience,
but for only 25 bucks more with the wider width, the upper is
very nice. It's really, really nice.
So I would, I would go Glycerin Max 2.
It's also fantastic for walking. David, what do you think?
That's a tough one for me. I think for basic training and
just kind of a nice familiar feel, I like the feel of the
glycerin. I think at 175.
It feels a little steep in comparison to what else is on
the market, whereas the Glycerin Max 2 feels a little bit more on
par. It's also, so the thing with the
Glycerin Max 2, for me personally, I agree with
everything, client said, where platform, I love the shaping,
the midsole, very stable. That forefoot rocker's, hard to
beat. You have like a very rhythmic
step into the, like, you just roll right into that next step.
It's nice. It's a little heavier.
You know, it's not going to be going fast at all, but it's
nice. For me, the upper was actually
kind of the deal breaker, and I can acknowledge it's a nice
upper. It's very plush, but it was
almost like too plush. Like my foot was getting really
warm. Um, I, like, I would have to run
early in the morning or else not at all. for me.
And so that's where that deal breaker for me was.
But if I'm choosing one or the other.
I think I am going to go Glycerin Max 2 on this one.
I think I just like the shaping. I like the platform.
If I got to live with the upper, between the two.
I think I just get more out of the Glycerin Max 2 than I do out
of the glycerin 23. Um, but the Glycerin 23 is a
nice trainer. I actually really like it.
It's just, it's not the most exciting.
It's just a little bit more plush than a Brooks shoe
normally would be. But I tend to like firmer shoes
anyways, and however they have that DNA Tuned and Glycerin Max
2. It's like a firm Mac stack, like
really well protective shoot that is really stable and rolls
you like really hard into that next step.
So, I liked it. I liked it a lot.
It was just the upper for me, but I'm going to go Glycerin Max
2. Nice.
I think for me, I'm I'm gonna go glycerin 23.
I You've talked about a lot of things about what's worked well
or maybe won't work well for people with the Glycerin Max 2.
The deal breaker for me from a rhythmic standpoint and getting
into it is where the rocker is. It's a little bit later stage
than some other shoes. And for me, I just can't get up
on it. So it feels just heavy and flat
and it's hard for me to utilize the rocker.
So I think that may have to do with my like toe length, so I
may have too long of toes, and that puts my, you know,
metatarsals before where that's going to be.
So I just can't get into rhythm in that shoe, making it feel
really just flat and hard to get into any sort of rhythm.
Whereas this was the 1st Brooks glycerin that I've enjoyed
running in. I've actually gotten done with
my testing miles, and then I've gone back and I've pulled it out
to run in, and it's just been for when I need nothing fancy
and just a very simple run. I, I, like you said, if I was
comparing these shoes to other brands, I, I wouldn't pick the
glycerin, but when I compare these 2 to each other, I'd be
picking the glycerin because there's a bunch of shoes in the
$150 realm. You know, I'm even thinking
about like ultra shoes and like these other trainers that I've
really enjoyed that would take the cake for me over the
glycerin. But between these 2 for me, it's
it's the glycerin. And the rockers, kind of the
main thing for my, for me personally.
So, we're going to move to our next shoe, we're running into
the Saucony family. This one, this 1st one we're
gonna talk about. We have a couple comparisons.
This might be one of the biggest differences between shoes of any
of them, and we're going to ask the question, would you get the
Saucony Ride 19, which is $145 or the Saucony Paramount Max,
which what is that running at? Is it 200 or is it 220?
I believe it's 200. Yeah, I need to double check.
I got you guys. Keep going.
We're looking at potentially around a 55 or more dollar
difference between these 2 and the experience in running in
these shoes couldn't be more different.
So, Matt, what are you taking? Our review has it at 2 Hondo.
So... So, yeah, the ride is the ride.
It's definitely changed since previous rides were usually
snappy, responsive, a little bit quicker.
This one has changed. It feels like kind of what the
triumph used to be where it was kind of like softer, not as
responsive, maybe like, you know, getting, it's not PWRRUN
PB, but it actually almost feels like that.
It almost looks like it, ironically.
It is still PWRRUN Plus. But I think as a simple shoe
that somebody just wants something really nicely
cushioned. Yeah, fine.
But, man, the Paramount Max, and I will say the triumphant and
the new triumph even more, like, I'm really enjoying this shoe,
but it is definitely going to be for someone with these specific
tastes. And I think part of it for me
personally is I just ride 19, the ride was not exciting.
It's just kind of felt a little bit dead, a little bit better
for walking, good entry level shoe.
The Paramount Max just feels way more bouncy, way more exciting.
It's kind of odd though, because I can't run in this shoe all the
time. If I ran an issue all the time,
it would just be too much for me.
So I honestly, we're going to do the the, like, combination, like
all three. I'm definitely picking the
triumph, but between these two. It's a great shoe.
It's a really great example of like crazy like bouncy foams in
today's era and I actually may make a 100 miles in this.
I wasn't expecting to do that, but I am enjoying it when I can
tolerate it. So I'm picking this one.
I just can't swallow. The $60 difference for what I do
and what I enjoy doing. So I've I've always enjoyed the
ride. It's gotten, I like the foam,
even though the shoe has kind of morphed over the years, I think
having the Power Run Plus is something that I thought was a
value ad for someone like me, I think the durability of that is
really high. It's it's not as snappy as it
used to be for sure, but I've I've enjoyed that shoe.
So just because of how much cheaper it is and how much I can
still get out of that shoe, I'm going there all day.
I will say, though, like, I think that the Paramount Max's
performance for me matches the price point.
I think it feels like a $200 shoe.
It really gives you a lot back in the run.
It feels fun. It feels way lighter because
it's like 10.5 ish ounces in my size nine.
It does not feel like that. It feels much lighter.
Not that I want to go crank out workouts, but it feels light
during easy runs. And so I'm, I'm, that's another
one that I've pulled back out to get runs in, but it just, for me
to have to go buy a shoe, I'm going to be buying the ride
between the 2 every time, just because I'm going to get
everything that I need out of it for my training.
David. We'd say money isn't an option.
Do you go Paramount Max over, right?
Yeah, if money wasn't an option, I would go.
So you get a genuinely better experience out of the max.
Yeah, I do. Just not enough for six years.
For me, I think it's more... It's more fun for sure.
It's not $60 more fun. Yeah, I'm actually, so I'm going
to be the one on the other side. I'm going on ride as well.
Um, Paramount Max. I have, I've run them both, um,
I'll start with the Paramount Max.
I don't have my shoe with me. Um, but that Incredible Midsul
is bouncy, right? Like you guys talked about it.
It's very bouncy. It's very wide underfoot.
Like, it doesn't feel unstable. It gives me a little bit of
Vomero Premium vibes where it's really wide and bouncy.
And it doesn't go that fast? Like, it's just bouncy.
And for me, it's a lot of sauce. You know what I mean?
Where it's like, I feel like it's just a little much for what
I want out of my training shoe, but not enough for what I want
out of my like responsive shoe. And it just feels like I'm
moving around a lot of shoe. So like, I don't think the
Paramount Max is the shoe for me, but I think it will be the
shoe for someone else. I think it's really nice here.
Like you said, I think it feels like a shoe that probably can
compete in that $200 price point.
I think from a material standpoint, it's nice.
But I think the ride gives me a much more balanced ride.
I feel like I can get a little bit more utility out of it.
It's also cheaper. And it's also got a pretty good
amount of cushioning under it. Like how Klein said, it feels
kind of like it's PWRRUN PB, even though it's PWRRUN Plus.
It feels a little bit more plush.
Maybe it's not as responsive as some of the previous rides, at
least the way it feels to me, but I think if I'm picking one
or the other, I'm probably gonna go faster in this version of the
ride than I will in the Paramount Max anyways.
So, uh, yeah, I think I'm going to go Saucony Ride.
And it's like, what, 145, 150? Yeah, so I'm going to go Saucony
Ride on this one, but I can appreciate the Paramount Max.
I can. So David, for you, I think our
next one was going to be Triumph 24 versus the Paramount Max.
Matt, you had already said your choice, but David, what would
you do? Would you do triumph?
170. You know, very also different
rides, just super soft. What's your take?
Yeah, I'm going to go triumph all the way.
Easy money. You know, I think with that one.
And at 170, I actually think that is very valid of a price
for what that shoe is. I know it didn't agree with you,
but it's I didn't give it agrees with the runner, it is
phenomenal. I got it right here.
It's kind of a dark horse. I don't think it's going to win
an award for me at the end of the year, but I think it's going
to be in the running for an honorable mention most likely.
And I think... Which, you know, that's...
I get 20 honorable mention. so I don't know.
Take it for what that sounds. But I really like it.
It's an ATPU-based midsole. PWRRUN Lux, not PWRRUN.
It's meant to be soft. It's meant to be cushy, but it
brought the weight of the triumph down drastically.
It's like sub 9 ounces, right? I mean, this thing, it is the, I
think it's the lightest premium training.
Yeah, like it's so light and the rocker is dialed in well.
The riot, like, it's so soft on your foot, but like when you're
running, like, so standing and walking, it feels like it might
be a little too soft. But when you run, you compress
that foam a lot quicker and I feel like you can use the
geometry a lot better. And that's where that shoe comes
alive. And I actually really like
running easy in it even though it's really soft.
Well, it's meant to be easy. But I can actually pick up the
pace a little bit too. I actually did take it to the
track and it did okay when it's that light, even though, even if
it's not so responsive off the forefoot, you can still turn it
over and it's responsive enough to go do something with it.
And so at 170, I think the Saucony Triumph is quite
triumphant. So, I, like, I said this in the
review and I said this in one of the podcasts earlier.
I think this is the best version of the triumph they've ever
made. And I think it's interesting
too, because it's like, it so clearly delineates the ride from
the triumph, where I felt like the line used to be kind of
muddy. But now it's like very clearly a
different shoe and from a utility standpoint, it's quite
good. I just don't think I like it
enough over some of the other shoes out there.
You know, when we start getting to the end of the year and stuff
or even just now at half point. But it's in the conversation,
you know, where it's like when I start thinking of like, oh, what
are my favorite shoes this year? It does end up making the list.
I would definitely agree from like, I know you 2 have found
that really soft. I actually found this mitzil
pretty responsive. Walking, it's really soft, but I
feel like the ride and the triumph have now switched places
again, where now the ride's kind of like the more relaxed daily
shoe, and the triumph is the, hey, if you want to pick up the
pace, you can't, because it's light enough, and it's got the
kind of foam that maybe it's not the fastest shoe on the market,
but it's definitely the fastest, the premium trainers for sure.
Yeah, for me, if I, if it was pitching the triumph against the
Paramount Max, this is because of my specific, like,
interaction with the shoe and how it, like, aggravated my, my
foot and my kind of chronic issues with my MTP.
I'm going I'm going to spend the extra 30 bucks and get the
Paramount Max because I can run in that shoe because just with
how soft the foam is, it'll it allows my foot to sink into the
mid-sole, and it also has flex in the forefoot.
So I'm getting a little bit of extension just from like loading
it and then more extension from, you know, going through toe off.
So, but I, I, I, that's a personal experience and personal
injury history that's making me. The triumph is also very
neutral, right? Like, so if there are stability
concerns, I don't blame anybody for going Paramount Max over the
triumph. Yeah, I feel like Paramount Max
walking feels unstable. Paramount max running feels
fine. Like, for me, it's weirdly, and
it's, I think it's because it didn't agree with Andrea, but
for me, it pushes me so lateral that it really, that works way
better than I would expect. Yeah.
All right, we actually, I said that that might be the biggest
difference. I think our next one is actually
the biggest difference between 2 shoes.
And this is in the Hoka camp, and we can add more layers as we
go, but the 1st one that we're starting with is looking at the
Clifton 10 or the new Skyward X. It's X2 now.
So looking at the Skyward X2, which is what, 225 bucks?
It's got a plate. It's meant for these kind of
easy rolling miles, and then you got the Clifton 10, you know,
they're supercritical EVA midsole.
What do y'all think? 150 bucks usually, I think, for
Clifton. Yeah, I thought it was
compressed molded, but it could be super critical.
That's it. Yes, thank you.
I'm picking Skyward X only for, well, for a couple reasons.
One, durability on Clifton is not good.
I mean, like, I, it took, and I actually had pain initially
running in this shoe. Um, that broke in.
I think it took a little bit for me for me to break the shoe in,
but the outsole I'm just ripping through pretty quick.
Whereas Skyward X just smooth ride, goes along really, like,
it's not a fast shoe, but it just rolls so much as it should.
And the durability is better. My only complaint, though, is I
think the Clifton upper is better.
Just because I am getting that massive taper right here.
So the Skyward X is edging it out just a little bit just
because of the ride. It turns over, like, like, the
long, this is a long run shoe. It is so nice on long runs.
I might have to take a pass on this one.
Um, mainly, so I ran in Skyward X one a fair amount.
I got my Skyward X 2 as I was getting ready for Boston.
I didn't run in it. We had the saga of stuff after
Boston with my foot. So I haven't, I haven't actually
run it. I've walked in it.
I wanted to the clinic. I've had general use in it, but
I haven't actually run it. With that said, I actually do
like the Clifton 10 a lot. There's a reason why I still
have it. We got this a long time ago back
when I launched. And I've always liked the
Cliftons. Um, and I like that it's like a
slightly higher drop now too. That favored me with the rocker.
Um, so, My hunch is that I probably would be leaning
Clifton, however, the foam is quite nice in the Skyward X too,
but I can't speak on the ride of running in it.
So I'm going to take a pass on this one.
Right. Great.
As am I. So, Matt, you're the only full
opinion. I haven't gotten the Skyward X
too, so I can't. I can't speak to that.
All right, I'm curious. The next Clifton upper might
help sway me, though, so we'll have to see what happens.
All right. Our next one here is going into
Puma, Puma Land. Big cats.
We're looking at a comparison between the Velocity Nitro 4 and
the Magnify Max 2. So Matt, what are your thoughts
on this one? You know, I really like the
updates to the Mag Max, too. For me, it felt like they kind
of, they got rid of the excessive posterior flare, the
heel transitions better. It is definitely the more these
are not stability shoes. It's definitely the more stable
option. The upper is really comfortable,
but the velocity nitro 4 is a great shoe.
It didn't fully agree with me because it's not stable enough,
but it's the, it's an ATPU foam. It's really responsive
underfoot. It's really nice.
If you're like a do it all trainer.
This is really good. Like I said, I like the Magnify
Max. And even though the Velocity
Nitro 4 doesn't work as well for me.
If I had more neutral mechanics, this is a fantastic, like, do it
all shoe. So I got to give a little bit of
the nod to this because it's also like what, 8.one ounces
less than that? It's light too, for like a
standard trainer. So very, very, very nice in that
regard. David, is something?
I was just going to ask you and put you on the hot seat here.
Velocity Nitro 4, deviate pure nitro.
Yeah, it's gonna do the same thing.
Oh, I would I would pick the deviate pure.
Yep. Yeah.
I think I would too. The, uh, it's 8.6 ounces for the
nitro four. And Mag Max is like, no.
Velocity Nitro 4. Mag Max is right around, and I
can look, well, I got to look that up too.
But for me, um, I'm, I'm going. this is my one where I would pay
the extra. So I, I really have been liking
the Mag Max too. Rockers really dialed in.
The foam hits that sweet spot where it's got some cushion, but
it's not mushy, and it's also not a brick.
It's really nice. So I can do a lot in that shoe.
It feels stable underfoot. It's really nice, again, for my
foot that I like the little bit stiffer rocker just because of
how much foam is living underneath there.
It hits it hits a lot of good notes for me.
Could get. I definitely can get long runs
in in it. I can do easy stuff.
I'm not going to be doing workouts necessarily, but I
could pick up the pace just slightly because it's a little
bit firmer, so it can come with me a little bit on the journey.
So. That one I'm going to be pulling
the a little extra cash out out for that one.
David, do you have thought? I didn't get either.
So in the past, I've liked the deviates, though.
Deviate 2 is lit. I'm not deviate.
Sorry, velocity, nitro 2 is lit. Yeah.
But I haven't had... Oh, 3 of was good too.
Actually, I did have three. Three was very good, but I
didn't have four. Yeah, the Mag Max is coming in
just under 10 ounces, like 9.7 ounces.
Yeah. Cool.
Great shoe. Yeah, that's a good one.
All right, let's finish with an on conversation.
So this will be our last one. So we're looking at the on Cloud
Monster 3 versus the on Cloud Monster Hyper 3. 3 hyper.
I, the, 3 hyper. Sorry.
These, is it the two? It's the three, isn't it?
Am I crazy? Okay.
These 2 for having the same name, I don't think, could run
any different from each other. I agree.
These actually might be the most different of anything we've
talked about. It's, uh, Clifton and Skyward,
Skyward X2. I guess I ran Skyrix too, but
that thing's like, those are so different.
But yeah, what do y'all what do y'all think on this?
I think Klein and I are probably both gonna say the same thing.
Yeah, David, you go first. Just go buy the hyper.
It's pretty great. I'm not gonna lie.
It's really good. It's really good.
Um, like, yeah, like, this is potentially gonna be on a list
later this year. Um, but if I'm going to, let's
say the difference is, you know, the Cloud Monster 3 is going to
be more your traditional, like, dual layer, cloud tech, firmer
ride, kind of that structured EVA.
It's more stable on foot. Um, but it's just, it's a little
heavier. It, not as responsive.
This is just really just steady rocket ride.
Um, I know that stability can be dynamic and Klein feels this is
probably more stable. It still feels more neutral to
me, but it feels like it's stabilized compared to what it
is. So like you have the hyper, the
Helion HF foam. That's their super foam on the
top layer here. Then you have this encasing of
cloud tech that kind of runs around it.
That's what that pastel yellow is.
And that firms up the ride just a little bit and gives it a
little bit of stability and kind of keeps you centered while
you're running. And it's a really cool feeling
because you have the softer and bouncy kind of Helion HF, but
then you have this firming up underneath you that just kind of
gives you some guidance and stability.
And it's also lighter than the Cloud Monster 3.
So it kind of went. By a massive, by a massive. it
kind of just wins on all fronts. It's like, and it's a really
nice upper. It's a little bit more
lightweight. It's very spacious.
Like the volume's high, but you can lock it down well.
They just, they did a really good job with the cloud monster
3 hyper. Um, they didn't do a bad job
with the Cloud Monster 3. I think if you were like buying
a shoe, a stand and walk and run and kind of just do like all of
your daily things in the same shoe, the Cloud Monster 3 might
take, well, it probably would take the nod there for me.
Uh, but if we're just talking running and training and using
the shoe, I would pay the extra to get the hyper.
Yeah, I would. I would too, which is like the
antithesis of most of my responses today, but of all the
shoes when you look at comparative models within a
line, that is just so much better from an experienced
standpoint, performance, construction, durability.
Like everything is going to win out with that shoe.
It is so good. And for me, it's, it's sitting
upstairs. It never comes down into the
basement. Like, it always has a spot ready
because some days I'm just like, I want something I can trust and
that I'm just going to know I'm going to enjoy, and that's the
shoe that I'm going to go in. So, you know, it's probably the
only $220 trainer that I would, you know, potentially actually
go go buy. Um, it's...
Oh, Novablast, I didn't agree with you, huh?
Well, I enjoyed the mega blast. It's just a little, I really
like it. Like if I was going to go get a
if I'm in shape to do like distance racing, that would be
probably my 1st shoe I would get to like do my next half or full.
Uh, but I wouldn't want it for like training stuff.
But it is a trainer. Yes, but for me, with the
wobbliness of it right now, yeah. just the, I don't know.
It's a great shoe, the cloud monster hyper, 3 hyper,
whatever. I never get that order correct.
Matt, what do you think? I 100%.
I think on was a bit more intentional this year about what
they were shooting for, whereas the on Cloud Monster 2 was
definitely responsive and carried that from version one,
and then the on Cloud Monster hyper original was just like, I
know David loved it. I think Nathan, you liked it.
I just didn't find it responsible.
I would have much rather... It was just nice.
I would have much rather, would have much rather just chosen the
inline Cloud Monster, and then they really differentiated this
where the Cloud Monster 3 is definitely your like walking
standing shuffling shoe, and then the on Cloud Monster 3
hyper is your hyperperformance shoe.
Like, I'm really enjoying it. The only reason I haven't run
nearly as much in it is because I have the LS version, which I
have got 150 miles on. That's like, it's been
fantastic. So, From just to like, if you
want a running performance trainer, the hyper is just a
not, it's non-negotiable. That's it.
It's so good So I just, yeah, pick that one, obviously.
But I think what we really, what the, what we really want to
know, Matt, for you is if we add in the Cloud Surfer Max, that
probably wins for you then, right?
No, it says, no, no, ha, ha, no. What if we added the cloud boom,
Max? That just still makes me sad.
I look at it all the time and I'm like, should I try it again?
Will it be different this time? And every time it's like, nope,
this, that's going to work for somebody out there, not for me.
so good Well, we're excited to hear what you all think, what
you would choose, or if there's shoes that didn't get put into
the conversation, what would you be picking?
If you have other things that you'd like us to talk about on
the podcast, we're always open for suggestions.
You can reach out to us at doctorsofrunning@gmail.com.
Again, we are super excited to drop our collab apparel with
rabbit. So please keep checking our
website. Keep checking Rabbit.
It's going to be available for sale on their website during
that pre-sale period. Thanks all for joining us.
We'll see you next time. Sorry, BJ.
I've coughed multiple times. My headphones hit the mic.
You gonna have a lot of editing from my side.
My bad.