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It I would welcome to the 
doctors running podcast, where 

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we a group of doctors at 
Physical Therapy, talk about the

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art, and the science and things.
We put our feet tonight or today

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or the morning wherever you are.
It is just me. 

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It's going to be so Lepa. 
Sewed with Matt thought, dr. 

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Klein, whatever you want to call
me. 

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It doesn't really matter as long
as it's relatively respectable. 

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It's just going to be doing 
another solo episode tonight. 

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And I've got some thoughts and 
hopefully don't ramble too much 

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because I'm a little exhausted. 
I just got back from the 

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combined. 
Action meeting for physical 

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therapy is a great experience, 
just a little exhausting, 

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because I've had a sinus 
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And it's raging and it's getting
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I am a little overwhelmed at the
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So you're going to get an 
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thoughts because I am in the 
middle of PhD data collection. 

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I'm taking a third board 
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certification in a week which is
probably mistake, but we'll see 

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what happens. 
We're doing a systematic review 

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with for the third time to try 
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do this at the same time. 
Enjoy the heck out of it. 

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I just want to say before we get
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something that I hope is very 
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That I am immensely thankful. 
Not only for the people that 

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watch, listen, read whatever 
medium you digest, this 

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material. 
I'm immensely thankful that 

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people follow us and have 
learned and have been really 

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positive and I really appreciate
that. 

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There's been good feedback, but 
at CSM. 

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It was a really cool experience 
to be stopped in the street or 

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in the conference hall or get 
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really cool what you're doing 
and I, you know, this started a 

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long time ago. 
Just me not knowing if anybody 

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would ever care and just was 
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I was hoping that I could 
provide something that would 

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give people a glimpse into. 
What my journey was try to 

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understand what I was putting on
my feet was helping my body and 

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hope it, hopefully helping them 
along in that same Journey. 

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What do they were a consumer and
putting a running shoe, whether 

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they were Elite? 
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A former developer turned to 
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do their job. 
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really what it comes down to. 
So I appreciate this and I want 

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people to know that we don't 
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trying to learn just like 
everybody else and we appreciate

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you following Along on this 
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I want to take you right now 
because we're all, this started 

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is talking about running shoes 
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you, what doesn't work for you. 
So my journey on this started in

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PT school and Beyond there 
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was working in running stores in
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in high school, when I jumped 
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the major tool that you have 
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running shoes, right? 
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shorts and stuff like that, 
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But it's the really the main 
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the ground is a pair of shoes 
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curious, but also maybe a little
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not the right word, but it was 
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was putting on my feet, the for 
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getting used to running, I was 
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away feet? 
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I didn't like because I don't 
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would go into a running store, 
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pronate this amount, this is the
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going on this old model, which 
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that we should be fitting shoes 
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that was the industries for the 
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People and where they should be,
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running store, that was really 
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exploring, some of the robotic 
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did not work. 
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was put in that pronation 
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I hated all the stability shoes,
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There's a couple light stability
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super well. 
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exploring Barefoot, Minimalist 
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explore and find something that 
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as perfect, not realizing that 
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But I don't want all of you to 
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Same thing, I want you to get to
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part of being a teacher. 
And Professor, which is I'm a 

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full-time Professor. 
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better than me, and I want them 
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they can take that farther and 
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want to try to take you and 
we're not going to get that in 

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20 30 minutes. 
But I'm hoping to expose you to 

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some Concepts to get your brains
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They're because if I can help 
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process, what's putting you're 
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I think I'm gonna be able to 
help you figure out what's going

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to work better for you. 
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before shoes are tools, a 
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differently for a different 
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Right? 
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your running buddy is going to 
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may not like that. 
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totally different bodies assume.
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So now that we know, the sum of 
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work. 
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evidence that a lot of them, 
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models, you know? 
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motion especially when it comes 
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We know that just because we put
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It might, it might not pain is 
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It's a very complex conversation
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20-minute conversation, but is 
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presentation with students on 
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going to be a very intense 
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rougher Monday. 
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it. 
I bring them coffee so they can,

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they can handle this. 
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it comes to injuries and pain. 
The biomechanical model doesn't 

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always work. 
We do know for exhibit but we do

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know sometimes it does work. 
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have a history of pernicious 
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a little bit of support and some
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is probably the best way to say 
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of those other components can 
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Does it mean that eliminate 
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incidence Is of them but not 
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So there's and there's other 
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other injuries that are probably
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those things in the 
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Also the fact that certain 
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shoe and they are. 
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pronation doesn't actually 
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with heel counters and certain 
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would lock the heel in. 
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your internal he'll motion, 
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You'll keep moving. 
People were perceive Eve, and 

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they'll say, this feels better, 
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necessarily change, and that's 
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We're seeing the same thing in 
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Where people will say, I feel 
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it doesn't feel as painful but 
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see a change those things. 
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So what does that mean? 
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of the world doesn't always 
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What is happening physically or 
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And that's not a bad thing. 
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that, you know what? 
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The system that everybody that 
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Hey, what am I feeling? 
What's going on, what's 

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dangerous? 
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there doesn't always match the, 
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That's why, you know, on an 
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things like, hallucinations it 
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you can have sensation paying 
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which is very real by the way. 
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connection there and this is a A
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probably making this more 
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For most of you are trying to 
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shoes for me to kind of 
introduce why I think the Run 

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cat Footwear Comfort scale is 
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Recently is something that I 

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think about consistently and for
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or those that are medical 
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people for shoes. 
I am really going to encourage 

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you, if you have the time, so 
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that as someone who's worked for
Kaiser Permanente and some other

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institutions where it kind of 
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I think it's a really great way 
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I think it's great for you as 
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this thing. 
Get some subjected explanation 

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from the patient in addition to 
hopefully your objective testing

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about going, hey how is the 
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you put them into sugar when 
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often forget to really reassess 
how the person feels sometimes 

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people just put them in the shoe
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This is what you need by, you 
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Like this is the big thing about
becoming a master whatever you 

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do. 
You got to A test and retest see

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what happens. 
You got to problem, solve math, 

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you know experts don't just get 
there by oh, I know this, it 

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happens through repetition of 
testing and seeing and keeping 

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an open mind or what happens. 
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the whomever the person who's 
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important for them to see get 
some visual feedback when they 

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mark this scale because the 
nice, it's nice that, you know, 

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a nice line visual skill. 
That you can kind of Mark and 

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see where do things go. 
We'll dive into this a little 

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bit more so it's both parties 
get to learn from this and get 

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to pick up some patterns and 
realize, hey, maybe the shoe 

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works for me. 
Maybe it doesn't. 

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What about this shoe works? 
What about it? 

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Doesn't that's a good. 
Those are great learning 

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opportunities, because there is 
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There's different shoes that are
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for different people. 
But each person can you kind of 

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needs to learn what's going to 
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Well for them. 
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and we'll try to make this 
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what Happens. 
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somebody who's a new Runner. 
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you can and try a bunch of 
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what you don't go. 
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you're running to that match. 
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Oh that didn't work. 
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Try this one. 
Oh that was great. 

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Put that one your brain. 
That's great. 

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The true answer is Was going to 
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why I encourage you to see all 
over different. 

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Reviewers going who do you tend 
to Matt? 

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What are your tastes match with 
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I'm sorry, it's 9:00 I'm 17. 
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is a scale that was developed by
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job of developing the scale and 
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cats called The Running Footwear
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Tool and it he they took his 
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that describe different 
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how it might feel. 
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and being overall shoe comfor. 
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have published this as an 
additional outside. 

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I was taking a survey class, 
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like get me in the lab. 
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by the way. 
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eye-opening experience which 
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arrogant, let me I can do this 
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You know what? 
I can't do it better. 

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I absolutely bombed and 
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this how long this takes how 
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good number of subjects but it 
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went into validating those for 
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things is actually incredibly 
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absolutely awesome. 
It's really, really cool to see 

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this and to have put this out in
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So thank you for doing that. 
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probably purchase or have some 
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either subscribing to the 
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remember what the journal and I 
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sport Sciences have a script 

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written or university access or 
get your buddy or person that 

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you know, do you really did get 
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document that has the components
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It is available and I would 
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because it was it's released in 
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They have stuff like person 
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size, all kinds of stuff like 
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right. 
It's great. 

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So the four components that they
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And again, this is not like a 
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foot or whatever. 
This is a perception, right? 

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What is your perceived comfort 
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scale, a scale going from, you 
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of Low level and not necessarily
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And that was what I really 
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think differently. 
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shoe Comfort is heel cushioning 
for foot cushioning, shoe, 

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stability, and for flexibility 
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Again before you get all, you 
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probably like more heel 
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cushioning super stable. 
It was actually a long lines of 

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does it feel good for you? 
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Being is good. 
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Ting. 
Did it feel to firm on one end 

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Where's the optimal level? 
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because that's we're trying to 
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you know, more is not better, 
less is not necessarily better, 

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it's finding that perfect 
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First, when they were talking 
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you're when you're a standing or
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be standing, don't do this. 
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again you should be running a 
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walking whatever using the shoe 
for when you're putting the shoe

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How does that cushioning feel 
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It feel too soft or does it feel
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put this thing right in the 
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Does it feel just right? 
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just right level, that's great. 
Right there is certain people 

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love, super soft heels. 
Some people really don't some 

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people like a little Little more
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little bit more balanced. 
I don't like it being so stiff 

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that my heels her, but I'm like 
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It's unstable. 
So it's finding that optimal 

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balance for you. 
If you can find that boom, you 

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got a feeling that, you know, 
you know, my work for you and if

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you feel another shoe, hey, that
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cushioning, so under the ball of
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how does the cushioning feel 
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Is it too soft? 
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Isn't on one side is in the 
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How good is it? 
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to me is pretty important. 
I've had some metatarsal issues 

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That's just me though. 
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So that's another really 
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So you got the, how does it? 
He'll feel? 

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How does the forefoot? 
Feel the third thing is, how 

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stable does this shoe feel? 
And as some of the some of you 

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that listen to this or watch 
your read most Know that I need 

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a little bit of stability and 
that's why I've talked about the

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concept of stable neutral is 
that you don't always need a 

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post. 
You just need to make sure the 

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shoe is stable for you and that 
means not too flimsy but also 

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not too rigid because too rigid 
can be just as problematic as to

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unstable and that's exactly 
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Is hey, is it not stable or is 
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right? 
And your again, you're looking 

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for a just right? 
Level that kind of gets slightly

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off topic on this. 
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Constable stable Duty because a 
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that instead of shoving your 
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It really just tries to help 
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in the middle rather than trying
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direction. 
And how much of that you're 

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going to need is going to be 
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person and it might vary to the 
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They talked about was talking 
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you, and again, this goes back 
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McLeod, the different levels of 
forefoot, stiffness. 

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More flexibility is not better. 
Less flexibility is Honestly 

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better is what level of 
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going to work. 
Best for you, does it feel 

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comfortable and it should feel 
comfortable and you should when 

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you put the shoe on you like, 
wow, it feels pretty good. 

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That's a good sign if you like 
it, feels not so good. 

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That's not a good sign. 
So it could be two flexible too 

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stiff. 
So when you roll off, that 

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thing, what's it feel like? 
And the final score, the thing 

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was the overall Comfort, right? 
Which is kind of really 

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important to start thinking 
about, how does the upper fit? 

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What's that like? 
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comfortable? 
Is it not comfortable? 

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The upper should fit really well
on your foot? 

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You shouldn't feel things. 
Rubbing on your foot in this day

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and age, you really shouldn't 
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because their companies actually
spend development money. 

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Trying to figure out how to make
it feel good on your foot. 

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The second, you put it on, you 
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fit nicely your foot. 
Things got more flexible, more 

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adapted. 
It should. 

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It should almost feel like 
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If you notice a lot of stuff, 
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Maybe not something you're gonna
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In a want to consider. 
But if it's just like, hey, this

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thing disappears off my foot, 
this is a comfortable shoe. 

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Boom, you're pretty good to go. 
So again just to recap heel 

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cushioning, how's it feel under 
your heel for for cushioning? 

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How's it feel on your forefoot 
stability house that does? 

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It feel is just feel just, 
right? 

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Is it? 
It's not to say it's not too 

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rigid. 
It's not too, it's not too 

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unstable. 
Is it just right as a keep your 

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foot where you want it to be? 
And then what's the the forefoot

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flexibility? 
Can you roll off the toes Die? 

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Slow. 
It feel good is too rigid. 

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Is it the stiffness that you 
want? 

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So you could pop off, you know, 
the pop off the toes. 

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I'm sorry. 
And then, finally shoe Comfort, 

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especially when I would 
encourage people to think, 

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about, the upper, and how does 
it fit your foot? 

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How's that feel up there? 
And these four five items again 

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for people that haven't done 
survey research. 

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It's really hard to get there. 
They did this several times in 

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these 19 items you got to put 
all these stats through this 

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reassess it over and over and 
over and over and over again. 

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And they came up with These 
four, five things and it might 

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sound simple, but there's a lot 
of complexity in finding that 

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simplicity. 
So enjoy it. 

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So, take that. 
And so if you are trying to 

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learn what shoes work better for
you, this is a great place to 

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start. 
Yes, you have resources like our

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website will tell you, hey, this
fits like this feels like this. 

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But how do you know what's going
to work for you? 

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We don't necessarily if we try 
not to say hey this is a good 

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thing, some biases are certainly
going to come out where I'm 

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going to get really excited 
about a shoe and I have to be 

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aware of that and try to redo it
and be a little bit more. 

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Active, but there's always a 
subjective component is always a

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bias. 
So that's where I really 

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encourage you to get to know 
that and work with it if you're 

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looking for yourself or others 
because it's a great tool to 

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start recognizing some patterns 
for either patients or yourself 

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and some of some people might 
get upset as I am becoming a 

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bomb back in this as my PhD is 
in biomechanics and I'm looking 

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at the biomechanics and the 
strength factors had Masters 

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Runners. 
Don't understand what how the 

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their changing bodies are Seeing
their injury rates and injury 

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types, and if there's any 
relationship there. 

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And yeah, so I study 
biomechanics, I study the 

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objective physical components, 
but you have to recognize that. 

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As I mentioned earlier, those 
physical things don't always 

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match with our perceived 
Comfort. 

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They don't always match with the
feeling of a shoe and we know 

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that the more comfortable shoe 
is, the more likely it is to 

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work for a person. 
That's probably because they're 

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more like the We're in for shoes
doesn't feel good, you're not 

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going to put it on your feet, 
right? 

454
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,400
So there's some other factors 
there, but there is good 

455
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,100
evidence, suggested that Comfort
is a really, really good 

456
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,300
predictor of whether shoes are 
going to work and people have 

457
00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:33,800
been looking for years trying to
go. 

458
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,700
What, how do we prescribe shoes?
If this pronation model doesn't 

459
00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:38,700
work all the time, then what do 
we do? 

460
00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:41,300
And that's where, you know, 
those like been donated talked 

461
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,900
about the Comfort filter and the
movement and the preferred 

462
00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:46,500
movement Paradigm. 
And, you know, this seems to be 

463
00:21:46,508 --> 00:21:48,600
the big thing I can tell you 
from being at the combine 

464
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,100
section meeting for physical 
therapy, the really good. 

465
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,700
Talks really emphasized looking 
at the individual and it's hard,

466
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:57,000
right? 
Because it's much easier to go. 

467
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800
Oh, blanket statement everybody 
does this, that's not how it 

468
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,100
works because we are all very 
different. 

469
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:04,600
We're all very different, how we
perceive things and what works 

470
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,000
for us again? 
Like I said, I'm aware of that. 

471
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,800
I always think about that when 
I'm running reviews going. 

472
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,300
I hope this helps people and, 
you know, that's why it's also 

473
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,600
lots of review sites. 
If you find that ours don't work

474
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,400
and you want to look at some 
read somebody else's, works 

475
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000
better for you, do it. 
Because at the end of the day, 

476
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,500
our website is there to share. 
Are things that help you learn. 

477
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,600
If you get something, if you 
learn something new about it and

478
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,100
then helps you figure out 
something figure this out from 

479
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,400
somewhere else. 
That's fine. 

480
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,600
You know, it's about helping you
on this journey. 

481
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,900
But just remember that 
perception, and biomechanics 

482
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:36,600
don't always match. 
So for those of running stores, 

483
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,300
you need to recognize that 
you're going to see people come 

484
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,400
in that have super high-arched 
feet. 

485
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800
And you've been told no, no no, 
don't give that person pronation

486
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,400
stuff and they're going to be 
like I want my Keanu. 

487
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,000
I want my Brooks piece. 
You like this? 

488
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000
Shouldn't work for them and 
they'll put it on in there, man.

489
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,400
Annex look exactly the same. 
You like how does that work? 

490
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,700
It's because there's more 
variables at play that we can 

491
00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:01,200
often recognize and it takes a 
lot of experience. 

492
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,700
Start learning how to put all 
those pieces together that I'm 

493
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:07,500
still working on. 
You know, from a biomechanical 

494
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:11,000
model, there's lots of 
variability and how humans react

495
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,600
to surfaces some people will 
react very stiff to certain 

496
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,400
Services. 
Some people will have a lot more

497
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,700
Mobility to a softer from 
surface. 

498
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,300
People will also See those same 
surfaces very differently. 

499
00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:25,700
That's why you'll see reviewers.
Some will say this shoe feels 

500
00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:28,400
super firm and they're like, oh,
that feels a little bit softer, 

501
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,400
some of us descriptive, but some
is also people are actually 

502
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:35,600
experiencing that differently 
because their perception is 

503
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,000
going to be real to them, but it
may not match, whatever 

504
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,900
durometer. 
You might be putting in the shoe

505
00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:42,900
because there's a lot of 
variables that go into that 

506
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,800
things like the sensory 
receptors and their feet, all 

507
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,300
the neurons that go and solder 
joints and that that I help you 

508
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,600
go. 
Hey, when I land Quick as my 

509
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,100
foot moving, what do I feel 
under my foot? 

510
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:56,700
You know how quickly does the 
cushioning compress? 

511
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,400
What do I feel from the insole 
that's going to be different 

512
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,200
from different people. 
And I'm not trying to complicate

513
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,800
this or scary? 
Oh, I'm just saying that's how 

514
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,300
it goes and that's why you'll 
see some variations of 

515
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:06,900
reviewers. 
It doesn't mean that what we do 

516
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,600
is reviewers is useless. 
It means that you need to take 

517
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,200
that with a grain of salt and 
try to apply it to you, right? 

518
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,600
So sensory perception is really 
important for trying to figure 

519
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,700
out what's going to work for 
people and all kudos. 

520
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000
To the the running companies. 
The Try to figure this out 

521
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,900
because you've got to make a 
shoe that tries to work for as 

522
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:28,500
many people as possible because 
at the end of the day, you want 

523
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,800
to make a cool product for 
people. 

524
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,700
But you also it's a business you
want to sell shoes. 

525
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:37,100
You re want these to not suck. 
So how do you figure out how to 

526
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,300
make these work for the largest 
population as possible? 

527
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,000
So what you do is when you're 
where tested, you get this big 

528
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,500
sample of people and you try to 
get this, you know, and hope 

529
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,200
that you get you average out all
the responses over the we're 

530
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,900
testing, you try to put and try 
to find the average because 

531
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:54,100
that's the only metric you can 
think of and you try to go, hey,

532
00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:57,800
you know, what's this average or
this this, you know, what's her?

533
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,100
My looking for this spread of 
data here, kind of in the middle

534
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,200
here? 
You know, what is up? 

535
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,700
These people were all saying 
this. 

536
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:07,400
So here's where, you know, this 
is where the shootings to go, 

537
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000
but the problem is what this 
average right here. 

538
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Is saying, does this represent 
the variation that people 

539
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,700
expand, which is why it's okay 
that there are tons of running 

540
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:21,000
shoes, people often get 
overwhelmed with choices, but 

541
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600
When you when there is that much
more choice, that means you just

542
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,500
need to learn better about what 
works for you and it just, you 

543
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:29,200
know, it's not trying to put it 
like, it's your fault. 

544
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,300
I'm saying it's an opportunity 
for people to learn and this 

545
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:34,600
some people may say this is too 
complicated because like I just 

546
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,500
want to get these shoes on and 
go for a run. 

547
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,700
I don't want to worry about the 
stuff. 

548
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:43,700
I got enough stuff on my plate 
which I get but it it is worth 

549
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:46,000
investing a little bit of time 
and trying to figure out what 

550
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,400
works for you and that the 
other, you know, because she's 

551
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,700
changed and for those that I've 
been around for a while, you've 

552
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,100
already seen massive changes, 
but also know that it's very 

553
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:57,100
common, that companies will 
change their models of the 

554
00:25:57,108 --> 00:25:58,200
models. 
Won't be the same. 

555
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,200
So, it's a good idea to practice
this a little bit, not only so 

556
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,400
you have a good idea of what to 
figure out when your favorite 

557
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,900
shoe changes, but also because 
your body is going to change 

558
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,900
with h. 
The only ever heard the phrase. 

559
00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:15,200
The only constant in life is 
change and if you're not able to

560
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,400
adapt to that, that's going to 
be difficult. 

561
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,800
I tell you this as a jury at 
your clinical specialist, I 

562
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,300
study older. 
And I treat a lot of older 

563
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,100
individuals, our bodies change, 
it doesn't mean you can't 

564
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,000
continue doing what you want to 
do. 

565
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,100
You might have to change some of
your expectations or modify your

566
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,400
training to ought to work with 
your body. 

567
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:36,000
But things are going to change 
and your Footwear changes might 

568
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,300
your Footwear preferences might 
change. 

569
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:40,300
We know that feet tend to change
quite a bit, one of the common 

570
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:42,400
things. 
My wife is 16 17 weeks pregnant,

571
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,500
right now and her feet are 
changing quite a good bit of her

572
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,500
fit preferences or foot 
preferences. 

573
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,900
Oh my gosh, it's late shoe 
preferences are changing And 

574
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,700
that's just what happens as our 
bone structure changes with some

575
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:58,300
of the hormones that are going 
through her body as some of the 

576
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:01,900
biomechanics of her body change.
As some of her ligaments are 

577
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,800
changing their laxity because of
the hormone, relaxin, what's 

578
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,400
happening. 
It's a little little elderly 

579
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,300
side for that, but there's 
changes that happened with 

580
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:11,700
pregnancy. 
There's changes that happen with

581
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:13,000
age. 
There's things that happen to 

582
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000
us, you know, injuries 
experiences positions. 

583
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,200
You know what, we have to sit 
now that we have to get used to 

584
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,900
it to walk all day. 
Change is constant. 

585
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,500
And for that reason, I would 
encourage you to take a couple 

586
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:27,300
seconds to look over the Run cat
and ask yourself. 

587
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,700
How does this apply to me? 
Are these things that I you 

588
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,300
assess what? 
I'm putting a pair of shoes on 

589
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:37,500
because I can courage you and I 
can almost promise you if you 

590
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,900
can learn this. 
Well it'll make things faster. 

591
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,800
You don't have to spend endless 
time to store going like what 

592
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400
she was this what you you'll 
know and you'll have better 

593
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,200
ideas it going. 
I've seen that for foot before 

594
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,500
and I know that doesn't always 
work for me but I'm going to try

595
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:52,300
it. 
Nope, didn't work. 

596
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:57,100
So now another another little 
feather in the cap to no, I know

597
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,700
that better. 
So I'm just trying to encourage 

598
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,100
you to be open to learning. 
I can tell you with all the 

599
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,600
stuff behind my name, all the 
things I've done. 

600
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,600
I'm still trying to learn, 
that's why I'm psycho or stupid 

601
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,800
enough to be taking another 
board exam that is not necessary

602
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,400
but I'm doing it just because I 
want to be I just want that 

603
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,100
opportunity to get schooled to 
be humble to go. 

604
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,400
Oh I need to learn more by doing
more specialty. 

605
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,100
Is if I have the Opportunity to 
learn more. 

606
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,800
So I hope that was helpful and I
hope that was a little helpful 

607
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:28,500
brain dump of mine. 
If some of the stuff I was 

608
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,900
thinking about, I know we went 
over the Run cat really briefly,

609
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,800
but I just wanted to talk about 
some of the things that are 

610
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,000
going through my head about how 
do we perceive the world? 

611
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,900
What is paid? 
You know, how to respond for, 

612
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,000
what is our sensory system doing
in terms of how we, how we 

613
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,700
perceive that world? 
How do we, how does that work? 

614
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,100
For a pair of shoes? 
Which is really cool to think 

615
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,500
about that. 
There's some cool opportunities 

616
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:53,000
that we at doctors running. 
And you as the listeners are 

617
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200
going to get to have, as we will
try to share with you, as we 

618
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,700
learn more and gets it, we're 
going to get to meet a couple 

619
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:00,400
different companies, this year 
in person and I'm so excited 

620
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,500
ones actually happening next 
week, and we'll update you, as 

621
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:07,800
you as some information, as soon
as we are able to, there's going

622
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,200
to be some very cool Footwear 
that's coming out that I'm very 

623
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,000
excited seeing that. 
We've been geeking out since 

624
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,500
last year. 
There's always cool stuff. 

625
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,000
That, who knows what's going to 
happen? 

626
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,900
New companies are going to reach
out to us. 

627
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,900
We've had like you keep, you 
know, I'm very thankful for all.

628
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,400
Experiences that we've had and 
thankful for all of you that 

629
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800
have either, just joined us or 
been following on this journey 

630
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,600
and hope it's been helpful, but 
I'm also very thankful for those

631
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,800
that have joined me on the team,
Nathan, David Bach, Andrea, Meg,

632
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,000
and BJ. 
Grant all these, this wonderful 

633
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,100
group that we have here, that is
so kind to share their times. 

634
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:43,700
I don't know if you know this 
weed, none of us do this 

635
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:46,700
full-time. 
This is, this is a passion 

636
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,400
thing, this is what we share is 
challenging, because we all have

637
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,300
full-time jobs, but Is really 
fun, and I'm very happy to have 

638
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,200
these people that I really 
consider a family that have been

639
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,700
very supportive along this 
journey and trying to share and 

640
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:03,000
it's been sharing my dream of 
trying to help all of you and 

641
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,100
everyone either find better 
shoes, make better shoes, and I 

642
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,400
think maybe most importantly, 
ask better questions because 

643
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,100
that's, that's what I think. 
Is a professor is I want to help

644
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,400
people think better you the 
information is out there? 

645
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,100
What you do with it? 
Is one of the most important 

646
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,500
things. 
So if I can help some of you 

647
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,200
think better about what you're 
putting on your feet, maybe 

648
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,300
critically analyze it and don't 
be afraid to speak out and ask 

649
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,200
questions ago, that doesn't make
sense. 

650
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:33,900
That's part of the questioning 
that's part of the learning. 

651
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,100
So just like the Run cat, don't 
be afraid to think a little bit.

652
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:38,800
I really appreciate you 
following along. 

653
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600
As always, check out all the 
different avenues that are 

654
00:30:41,608 --> 00:30:43,000
stuff. 
Comes out on there's many, many 

655
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,600
different social media sites 
that we have. 

656
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,500
As always the blog / website has
always been there will continue 

657
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:53,300
to update materials the YouTube 
stuff is doing super well, thank

658
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:54,800
for all the followers that are 
jumping there. 

659
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,600
I think we're almost at 10,000 
followers or 10,000 subscribers,

660
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,600
which is natsume. 
We've got the podcast, which is 

661
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,500
very, very has Spotify. 
And what have you? 

662
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,100
We've got LinkedIn, we've got 
Twitter, we got Facebook, 

663
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:13,300
Instagram, all anything that 
you're interested in, feel free 

664
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,200
to consume that information know
that. 

665
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,500
For those of you that have 
emailed us, I'm doing my best to

666
00:31:17,508 --> 00:31:19,600
get those emails. 
We really appreciate them. 

667
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,700
Thank you to the All students at
emailed saying, had a great time

668
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,100
and CSM, it was wonderful to 
meet all of you as well. 

669
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,800
And I wish all of you a 
wonderful year of running and I 

670
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,300
wonderful year of exploration. 
If you're running a healthy 

671
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:33,500
great, if you got an injury, I 
hope you learn something from it

672
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,400
and you progress through it and 
as always if there's anything 

673
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,900
you're interested in, you didn't
think you'd love to see. 

674
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,700
Let us know. 
We do. 

675
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:42,400
We're learning just as much as 
you. 

676
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,200
So if you have anything to 
offer, let us know. 

677
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:46,400
We hope you enjoyed this 
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