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Everyone, welcome to the doctors

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therapy, talk about the art, and
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on our feet. 
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throwback, as we have a Q&A 
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And we're actually going to have
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that we hope you enjoy that. 
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inspired by one of the questions
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So David, how you doing, doing? 
Good, man. 

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I had a little bit of a foot 
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seem to be coming around. 220 
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workouts in the last week. 
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from a workload standpoint, but 
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did get through my Mile or so, 
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See your we're at, you're 
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And have you seen the new Super 
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I haven't just came out a couple
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Yeah, we'll get there. 
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next week, though. 
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Yeah, we got the our early pass,
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park opens, you know, but an 
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get our power bands. 
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little nice mini games and 
everything that comes with it. 

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I'm going to live vicariously 
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So expect full All social media 
coverage a full review at the 

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end because I'm in dissertation 
mode and I do not have a life at

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all. 
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happening out in the world other
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So I'll live vicariously through
you on that one. 

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I hear you know, you got to get,
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like have reservations for the 
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There is that true? 
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even for the Nintendo World like
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our early entry, there's like a 
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park and yeah, so well, we'll 
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episode from dr. 
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But for the moment, let's dive 
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all of you have sent us and we 
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You do send these to us know 
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If you don't get a response 
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And so we appreciate your 
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In with the first question was 
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Alexander. 3er said shoe 
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spring with a 4-foot rocker, 
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about tow Springs and Rockers 
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As always did a phenomenal job 
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David, what do you think? 
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Shoe that has less toe spring. 
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Because a lot of times those 
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know, a complementary to both. 
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that have come to mind. 
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wall shortly before this episode
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And I grabbed a couple options 
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category and actually this is 
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shoes of last year. 
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So you can see there is, there's
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four-foot rocker but there 
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spring? 
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flexible shoe, just very gradual
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It's a rocker, but there's 
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That's you do what you want. 
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is seems kind of like a cop-out 
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pretty much any Newton's you. 
If you take a look at noon, very

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true. 
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Like there's, there's no toe 
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Like however, there is a sharp 
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their met pads in the way they 
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So, you roll off the front, you 
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cycling into the next, but 
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Bring, hey Newton if you're 
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I'm so super excited to see what
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She looks like. 
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same thing where it's like Noto 
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Good for foot rocker and you 
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but to follow up that just for 
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see that post. 
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while they go together. 
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The Corporate Rock refers to the
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Underneath the toes, it's north 
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Whereas the actual toe spring is
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held in extension. 
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curve right here, that's the toe
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for those who can see on video, 
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rocker so you can have both but 
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without the other and the key 
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have toe extension, great, but 
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you expecting. 
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See the shoot as a forfeit 
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Ring may not work for you 
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extension does put some pressure
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people be fine with that certain
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It's just one more thing to kind
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figure out what works for you. 
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With David Newton is going to be
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fairly. 
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more lower stack but I think the
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can definitely help that and 
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company that immediately comes 
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kind of Talking about this and 
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or so ago and they were probably
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missed it but they're especially
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Do a really good job of keeping 
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having a big 44x uni and those 
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amount of Stack they're not 
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So these you still need a fourth
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good job and although I think 
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forefoot is done pretty well, 
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Nitro is another one where for 
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Whoa, but there's a good for 
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think that's probably a couple 
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You might have there if you're 
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But as always one of the things 
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shoes going to react to you. 
So, David brought up the on 

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cloud going, I think it's a 
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even though it looks like it's 
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right? 
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come down there. 
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still rolls you off really 
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So it's, you are going to need 
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and if you feel like you're 
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right. 
If you're sensitive, but if not 

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like, hey and it works, even 
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going to depend on how your foot
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So think it's a great question. 
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you compare the A6 name Nimbus 
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different from the Nova blast, 
three David, you have any 

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initial thoughts on that? 
I know. 

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Have you ever run in the cumulus
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I haven't run in the Cayman 
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Yeah, I don't have a name this I
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I've got like 30 plus miles in 
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So I'll but what do you think 
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S3. 
I think they're very different 

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shoes. 
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probably a solid what 3ish 
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My two and a half. 
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Akash is, its eight point nine 
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So I think it's got about like 
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Nimbus. 
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Okay. 
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So by still make their 

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different, what do you think 
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No blast? 
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responsiveness to it. 
The foam has a little bit more. 

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A lot more pop on it. 
It feels a little more of a 

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performance esque type ride. 
It feels a little bit more 

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narrow through the mid-foot. 
Yeah, it feels like you can turn

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over a little bit, the Nimbus is
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Sulphur and going on. 
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it's 43 millimeters of Stack, 
like it's you're pretty high and

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then like the phone even though 
it's blast plus it doesn't come 

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down as much. 
Like it doesn't, there's not as 

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much fun information and so It 
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daily trainer is the best way to
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I mean that's what it is. 
It's always been that but it 

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just kind of feels like that 
Workhorse easy to issue. 

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It doesn't feel like a shoe that
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in running faster than that 
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little bit more life to it but 
probably a little less stability

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kind of going your lateral you 
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I feel like you feel a little 
more sturdy footed and the 

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Nimbus but in the Nova blast 
it's a little Or and I mean this

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in like the nicest way possible 
with more of a fun ride like it 

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feels like you can take it 
spinning and do do some fun 

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things. 
But the Nimbus, if you got to go

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do a little bit of off-road or 
you gotta do whatever, like 

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you're just running easy, you 
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issue. 
Yeah, I would definitely agree. 

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I would say out. 
So let me start with the Nimbus 

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and cumulus 25 and I really need
to do a sub 2 on this. 

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I have both of them on hold. 
Both of them up for those that 

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are listening. 
The I think David, you nail on 

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the head, the chemos 25 is very 
much a daily training shoe. 

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It's a A very rockered one and 
it. 

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You're sitting really high off 
the ground. 

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It's above that 40. 
Mm limit. 

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I got, I don't even know where 
for you. 

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Yeah. 
Just correction more Nimbus. 

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Not yes. 
Yeah. 

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But I'm sorry. 
Yeah, Nimbus, I'm sorry. 

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The Nimbus is your classic very 
rocker daily trainers? 

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A lot of foam underfoot, but 
it's not like mushy soft. 

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It's definitely, it's rockered. 
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it, but it's really meant for 
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rolls. 
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but it feels lighter. 
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10-ounce range, good, good 
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Slightly snug. 
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different shoe. 
This thing is 9 ounces. 

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soft underfoot 9 oz. 
This view thing has some snap to

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it, so I've done one or two 
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bit clunky so it's not Not as 
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all. 
It's just a solid daily train 

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that has a little bit of a 
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pace up and definitely fits a 
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Whereas your Nova Blast 3 is 
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like it to me, it's super soft. 
It's not as stable. 

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It's better than the older 
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feels taller and softer. 
So it is technically lightweight

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trainer s but if I would put 
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fast, I would take cumulus 
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I take Nova blast second and 
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one because I wouldn't do that. 
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probably put Nova blast Nimbus 
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So they they're very different 
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same company. 
They are really different. 

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Alright so next question we got 
several Runners asked and the 

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post about the shoes for new 
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If nylon plated shoes are also a
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Runner getting To the sport. 
Dr. Celeste, what do you think? 

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Yeah, I think when we take a 
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sound kind of funny, but we even
when you look at the like let's 

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say the elite Runners, the pro 
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been doing this, their whole 
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are not in Super Shoes, replated
cheese. 

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There they're running in the 
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I mean, boring in the nicest way
possible, that's all you need 

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for your daily shoes. 
A lot of times. 

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And so, for someone who's easing
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want to make the sewer simple as
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to be something that works with 
your mechanics. 

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So I mean, it sounds like a 
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you go into a shoe store, tried 
a bunch of shoes, if one speaks 

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to you, and you like it and it's
what you want, go with that 

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shoe. 
And like not to say that these 

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shoes are bad per se, but 
there's just so much. 

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We don't know when it comes to a
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plate designs, and things like 
that and especially 

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longevity-wise. 
It's good to just find a shoe 

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that works for you and and and 
use it. 

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Like there's no problems with 
doing that. 

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I would totally agree and I 
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this and we're going to 
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for this. 
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version for from New Balance 
because it has a full length TPU

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plate, but it's still like. 
Once this is broken in there, 

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sit still Flex is a good amount.
Another show I can think of off 

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the top of my head is the speed 
3 from Saucony. 

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And I think, you know, and that 
one. 

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Yeah, I thought that the played 
out how they do. 

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Or is there in there? 
I think one of the to be 

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maximum. 
Yeah. 

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So I think it is Long as so 
remember that, what plates 

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function to do is to add 
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And I think the nylon TPU stuff 
if it don't get caught up in the

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name per say, especially with 
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the carbon plates because a lot 
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flexibility, it just adds some 
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to side stiffness there. 
So I think that's probably fine.

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And I think David hit it on the 
head. 

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Where, you know, I don't grab a 
racing shoe for your first 

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running shoe. 
I think if you find anything 

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else, whether it's a speed, see 
whether it's the Propel, whether

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it's the Forever on, whether 
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whatever if it's comfortable on 
your foot and it matches with 

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you, I would not worry about 
that too much. 

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I think what better way to say 
is you shouldn't be picking a 

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racing shoe for rate, especially
super shoe for your first 

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running shoe. 
I think the plate that's a 

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slightly different conversation,
especially because the plates 

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can vary quite a bit and they 
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how much totally going to vary. 
So I think it's fine, I wouldn't

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worry too much. 
Long as it feels good. 

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Works with your mechanics. 
And doesn't like this crazy new 

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thing like some of the shoes 
like and it like you know, like 

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the Rebellion Pro that would 
definitely not be a first 

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running shoe option that I would
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But yeah. 
Alright, next question. 

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From Pablo orm best running shoe
for a heavier Runner? 

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I mean it's a very similar 
answer. 

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Yep. 
Who works for you evidence would

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suggest the same thing? 
Yeah, actually I mean it's like 

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you would think Think 
intuitively like, oh, I'm 

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heavier I probably need more 
cushion. 

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I'll take a higher sex. 
You that's not always the case, 

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you know? 
And maybe the foam to form is 

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more. 
Maybe there's a little bit, less

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a little more side to side 
movement, things like that. 

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Maybe you want something a 
little bit firmer, maybe once a 

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little bit wider, turning, how 
you strike and your Cadence, and

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how you move, you know, I mean, 
just because you're a bigger 

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Runner, doesn't mean that you 
didn't do other things before 

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running, right? 
Like if you played baseball or 

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if you did, Anything that has 
any kind of size, right, like 

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ex-football player or something 
like that. 

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I think so much is dependent on 
movement quality and how you 

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move and your individual 
biomechanics and how you agree 

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with the shoe that's on your 
foot. 

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So I honestly could not come on 
air and say oh I would recommend

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this shoe for someone who's 
heavier I it's just not there's 

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it's not going to happen, you 
know? 

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And I don't think it exists. 
No, I think it's going to depend

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on the person. 
I think the stereotypes about 

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heavier Runners is you need more
cushion. 

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You need a wider shoe and that 
we really haven't found that to 

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be true that because bodies. 
Very right. 

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So what is heavy mean you're 
going to see all types of body 

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shape so trying to find 
something that fits your foot. 

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Well gives you enough room and 
provides you adequate question 

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cushioning. 
That means not too much or not 

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too little that's going to vary 
depending on the person, 

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actually the evidence. 
The only thing we found in terms

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of cushioning for like some 
introduction is actually Lighter

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Runners have your Runners. 
They didn't find. 

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This is Laura Maslow. 
Did some research on this and 

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they didn't find that heavier 
Runners. 

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Did any better injury reduction 
wise with more cushion shoes? 

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They actually found that it was 
lighter Runners. 

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The tend to do better with a 
more cushion shoe. 

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So I'd say, for the heavier 
Runner, if that's something, I 

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still get into a store, try some
stuff on, right? 

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If it's comfortable and it feels
good and you run, it feels good.

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You're going to be good. 
Don't feel limited because of 

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your size or what many some 
stereotypes are, prior thoughts.

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That really are. 
Not grounded in any logic or 

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evidence. 
Yeah, enjoy. 

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Here's a fun one, right, what do
you're shrugging shoe? 

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Rotations, look like from hedge.
Yeah, running. 

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She rotation is interesting. 
It's, it's how you create the 

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Footwear that you're going to 
wear for a given week month, 

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cycle, whatever, you know it's 
mine currently is a little bit 

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different than it's been in the 
past just with that little foot 

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scary, you know. 
Recently, I haven't really put 

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on any Super Shoes at all. 
So like every workout I've done 

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the last few weeks hasn't had 
any SuperSU whatsoever but 

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normally I probably would have 
liked, we'll just say again and 

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boring daily trainer. 
I'll just run in a daily trainer

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to a couple of my favorites. 
You know, I like the own cloud 

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monster. 
If we're not testing things, you

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know, the cloud goes. 
Another nice one, I'm not just 

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an Envoy. 
There's other issues I like as 

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well, but Clifton 90's work 
pretty well. 

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Offer me but just like she's 
that are just normal daily 

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trainers, right? 
Those are from most of the easy 

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mileage days. 
When I'm on the workouts, I am 

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on the track. 
Usually, once a week, and I'll 

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have a longer road work out once
a week, and I'll have a long run

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once a week and sometimes the 
work out, maybe in the long run,

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sometimes along runs is an easy 
long run. 

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We have a long road Tempo, 
interval, whatever and track 

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sections of track session. 
And so, at the track sessions, I

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usually like to have something a
little bit lower to the ground a

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little bit. 
Lighter weight. 

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A couple shoes that have worked 
well for me in that realm, the 

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Topo Cyclone to. 
I've got it right here. 

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Lightweight Papi has a pupa 
midsole no plate. 

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It's just I can use my natural 
mechanics. 

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Audio 7 is worked well from 
Adidas. 

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The to can we send if I really 
want to feel spicy has also 

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worked. 
That's like their 5K. 10K racer.

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That uses Light Strike Pro, 
that's on the track. 

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Now, I'd have done Road, 
workouts in the adios, and it 

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has been fine, but usually, I 
try to have a little bit more 

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shoe on me for the longer Road 
stuff. 

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So light weight trainers, if it 
calls for it, if I'm going to 

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training block, a super shoe of 
some kind for like the long road

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workouts because sometimes by 
the end of these things, like 

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for me, I'll you could do it, 
9/10 my workout and then even 

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with the rest or the floats, 
like the average still comes out

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to like 521 lat. 
It's it's Like it's kind of nice

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to have those shoes under you 
sometimes. 

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So it just kind of depends on 
where I am in the block. 

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Is there a race coming up? 
If it's a race coming up I don't

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like to put on a new shoe you 
know that I've never worn 

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before. 
So you get a couple of few 

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miles, a couple key workouts you
know, and in those shoes make 

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sure you like it before the big 
day comes. 

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But ultimately, it just kind of 
what it boils down to is a daily

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trainer. 
Usually a lightweight trainer / 

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workout shoe. 
I'm usually not working out in 

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the shoe I'm racing in. 
Until I get closer to the race 

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day, and I'll sample a couple 
shoes before then make sure that

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works in my mechanics. 
And then, as I get closer, I've 

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already made my decision at that
point, you know, like we're 

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working out in the shoe and then
I'll my race tissue and then 

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spikes occasionally, if I'm on 
the track. 

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For those that are listening 
that do run track, I don't work 

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out all of my workouts on the 
track and track spikes, but if I

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know I'm going to be running a 
race, I will start sprinkling it

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in in those latter reps and I 
try to really be conscious of 

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how much mileage I'm Doing in 
those because I'm starting to 

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get a little bit older now to, 
and my calves week, a little bit

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sore running in spikes too much.
So, just making sure that you 

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grade, how much you're wearing 
these shoes and that you can 

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actually recover and keep moving
forward. 

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Yeah, I would, I would agree. 
The answer for me is going to 

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depend on what we're testing so 
I am not as good. 

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I'm not nearly as committed as 
David is right now but I'm 

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trying to slowly get back in 
shape. 

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My training looks a little 
differently. 

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Looks a little different now 
because my wife is actually 

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pregnant. 
So for those Video to follow me 

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on Strava. 
You'll notice that my room looks

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so weird because I'm running 
back and forth and back and 

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forth to catch up with her to 
like come back for her because 

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she's, you know, she's what five
plus months pregnant now and so 

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her morning mechanics are 
changing a little bit speeds 

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changing so I go back and forth 
in front of her. 

446
00:21:30,908 --> 00:21:35,100
So I my mileage per each, one 
run isn't as high. 

447
00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,900
So I have a little more 
flexibility of testing some 

448
00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,300
stuff. 
Like I did an easy run in the 

449
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:42,600
Puma, Nitro liberate Nitro to. 
And normally I would not take 

450
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,700
that for an easy run, but 45 
miles fine, right? 

451
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,000
Right. 
So my but normally, if this 

452
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,500
wasn't going on, it would be 
exactly what David said, where I

453
00:21:50,508 --> 00:21:52,300
would have my typical training 
shoe. 

454
00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:55,500
Which for me right now, I'm 
really other than the clunky 

455
00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:59,400
heel, I'm really enjoying the 
cumulus 25 so that, that will be

456
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,100
the majority of my miles. 
Well, usually have a trail shoe 

457
00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:05,900
when stuff is open. 
So for your me right now, the 

458
00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:09,600
tecton X2 has been on my feet, 
it's actually been really fun 

459
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,100
and then I'll have something for
workouts and I haven't done any 

460
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,600
races yet but work. 
And faster effort. 

461
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,300
So the two things that I'm 
testing right now. 

462
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,700
Normally, I might, it's kind of 
whatever we have in it, have a 

463
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:23,700
need to test. 
So previously it was the carbon 

464
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:28,500
X2 or the rock? 
I'm sorry, the rocket X2 and the

465
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,100
fast forward from puma and I've 
completed my miles on those. 

466
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:34,400
So getting back to doing the 
hyperspeed to from a six and the

467
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,200
liberate Nitro to has been 
really fun. 

468
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,500
I've actually really enjoyed not
running in a plated shoe and 

469
00:22:40,508 --> 00:22:43,800
just seeing what can my body do?
And weirdly enough when I've 

470
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,600
been doing like to hundreds and 
faster reps? 

471
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:51,300
Soooo I'm actually cranking out 
faster splits and the non plated

472
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,700
shoes. 
So yeah, it really depends on 

473
00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,800
what's going, but that's what's 
on my feet right now. 

474
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,300
There's a ton of the stuff that 
he did catch up on with Miles 

475
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:03,900
but I guess shout out to the to 
like the liberate Nitro to and 

476
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,500
the hyperspeed. 
So I really really enjoyed doing

477
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,300
that, you know, nothing gets 
super shoes, right? 

478
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,800
They got their place but was 
like, oh, like feel stuff, 

479
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,400
engage better, you know? 
And I'm not I was I was Thought 

480
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,100
I'd be more sore but it's also 
great to like this. 

481
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,900
Goes back to my minimal days 
where I like did like five easy 

482
00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,600
in the Liberty. 
National my I remember this, my 

483
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,000
calves aren't killing me that 
much. 

484
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,900
It's at least they weren't until
later. 

485
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,500
But yeah, that's that's what's 
on my feet. 

486
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,600
David looks like you can say 
some, yeah, just quick. 

487
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,100
Shout-out on a daily trainer 
with Saucony ride 16. 

488
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:38,000
It's in pretty late for me. 
That's been a solid gee. 

489
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000
That's a great. 
Yeah. 

490
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,500
That's how I can show you around
her. 

491
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,400
Yeah that definitely deserved a 
spot on that little list that I 

492
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,200
put out and I space. 
Just in the moment but that is a

493
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,700
great shoe this. 
Yeah, so I can eat it as 

494
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:53,500
continue to do a good job and 
got even lighter to but oh this 

495
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,700
is going to be this. 
Next one's fun on because we 

496
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,700
talk about this all the time but
never from this perspective. 

497
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:04,800
So katydid 90 says, is it 
harmful to run into many 

498
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,100
different kinds of shoes? 
This interesting because a lot 

499
00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:11,200
of times we will reference or 
Maslow's research and a couple 

500
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,600
other individuals saying that 
one of the few things we know 

501
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,600
that decreases injury risk is 
Running in a variety of shoes. 

502
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,700
Now if you take that to its 
extreme, what do you think? 

503
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:24,200
But basically means ask any one 
of us who's running in. 

504
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,400
Like I don't know how many pairs
of shoes in switching trying to 

505
00:24:26,408 --> 00:24:28,800
get miles and gear reviews in. 
But David, what do you think off

506
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,400
the top of your head? 
Yeah, I mean I said this quote 

507
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,300
earlier before but it's like 
there's so much, we don't know. 

508
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:36,400
Yeah. 
You know, and it's like when 

509
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,900
you're rotating that much and 
your biomechanics are changing 

510
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,700
to the what's on your foot that 
much, I could see it being 

511
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,900
Eventually problematic. 
If you're doing high volume and 

512
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,600
thankfully I haven't really had 
too many issues. 

513
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,300
I mean we had that little foot 
scare recently but outside of 

514
00:24:54,300 --> 00:25:00,400
that I've been pretty clean on 
the injury list but I will say 

515
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,700
when I am buckling down and 
getting ready for a race, I'll 

516
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:06,300
tell the guys hey, I'm going to 
I'm not going to be reviewing 

517
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,300
for the next three weeks and 
then I'll go to my go twos and 

518
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,000
I'll run in the shoes that agree
with me. 

519
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,300
And I'll kind of I won't take 
very many chances at that point.

520
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,000
I do think there is something to
be said for having continuity in

521
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,600
a shoe. 
I think there should be a shoe 

522
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800
that works for your mechanics 
that you do come back to 

523
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,900
frequently enough. 
You know where it's kind of like

524
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,600
your Baseline of that makes 
sense. 

525
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,700
Like it's like the one that 
works for you and then it's like

526
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:39,800
you have a couple experimental 
you know, external variables 

527
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,700
there but it's a hard one to 
answer you. 

528
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,800
No, and it's like when I look at
us I feel like we've been 

529
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:58,000
relatively good on injuries. 
Nate has had a couple you had 

530
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,100
one but that wasn't the shoes 
fault. 

531
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200
No, that was that was that was 
100% your fault. 

532
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,500
Yeah, it was doing something 
stupid, right? 

533
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,100
Which one of you is at the cute 
little thing? 

534
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,200
Oh no, that one doesn't, that's 
not even relevant. 

535
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,400
That's me like caring of cat and
kicking a barbell that has no 

536
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,500
idea that I'm saying that that 
Nothing to do that. 

537
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:19,400
To the only other one. 
I think is, I had an Achilles 

538
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,400
irritation because I ran this 
and it was being stupid. 

539
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:28,000
I did a trail race in the 
original meta speed Sky, which 

540
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,100
is already low Drop. 
And then the next day, I 

541
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:34,300
wouldn't did Super still steep 
hill repeats in the sand. 

542
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,500
Oh yeah. 
That'll yeah, that totally 

543
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,100
deserve that. 
But outside of that, we've been 

544
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,400
pretty, I think I'm pretty good.
The only thing never happens is 

545
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,800
ended. 
Yeah, the only thing that 

546
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,400
happens is like either, Er 
something non-running related, 

547
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:53,500
like a barbell that you actually
kick or usually a specific shoe.

548
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,800
Like you've had issues with just
like the one shoe will irritate 

549
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,000
something but like cumulatively.
No, I'm sorry. 

550
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,200
Haley yeah, the Adidas adios 
pro3. 

551
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Yeah. 
Alright people. 

552
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,700
That's what I was thinking. 
I wanted to love that shoe. 

553
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:09,000
I'm sorry. 
I did us every straight in my 

554
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,000
heart was pulled when that she 
did not work for me Sookie. 

555
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,700
I'm going to I'm actually going 
to take a stab at this and say I

556
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,500
I think it's harmful to run into
many different kinds of shoes 

557
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:23,800
from like an injury perspective.
I do think though you need to 

558
00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:27,400
balance it with some continuity 
because if you your body at some

559
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,000
point is probably going to crave
a little bit of consistency. 

560
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,200
So just being I would say as 
always extremes are probably 

561
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,800
going to be problematic so I try
to say hey get a variety but 

562
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,700
still have your go twos. 
I think is going to be fine but 

563
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600
if you're lucky enough that like
you know like we are super 

564
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,900
fortunate that we have all these
shoes that come through our way 

565
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:46,700
that were able to to test 
something. 

566
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,000
We've been pretty good but not 
everybody has an option but if 

567
00:27:49,008 --> 00:27:51,600
you can get a variety of shoes 
in their great, if you're 

568
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,900
worried that you need 40 
thousand pairs to keep yourself 

569
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,600
injury. 
If you'd know it's like a 

570
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:03,400
couple's, fine, it's fine. 
All right try run for is there 

571
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,800
also, try run three and five to 
I'm guessing do carbon plated 

572
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
shoes increase the risk of 
metatarsal fracture. 

573
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,900
I'm going to say this is another
one. 

574
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:17,200
That it obviously depends. 
We have Not so much information 

575
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,400
on injury risk. 
With these plated shoes, most at

576
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,700
the end, David and I have both 
Nathan. 

577
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,200
Everybody has brought up some 
anecdotal stuff that we've seen 

578
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,500
clinically, we, there is just 
some case studies coming out 

579
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,100
about navicular stress 
fractures, I need to go read 

580
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,500
that article on that talked 
about yeah. 

581
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,900
That potentially from some of 
the instability, the plate 

582
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:39,600
stiffness and facilitating 
things. 

583
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
I do think it's less about. 
Do they increase? 

584
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Metatarsal stress fracture risks
on a global scale. 

585
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,300
But more for certain people. 
So the plates really work best 

586
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:53,000
if they line up with the your 
first toe joint. 

587
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,500
So for those who can see this, 
right? 

588
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,100
So you got a foot that MTP the 
metatarsal phalangeal joint or 

589
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,700
where your toes Bend, right? 
The plate needs to facilitate 

590
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,000
that motion, right? 
If it doesn't line up with it, 

591
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,600
your that's going to probably 
put a little bit more loyal to 

592
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,900
their. 
You have to work a little harder

593
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:11,600
to get over that. 
So instead of feeling like hey, 

594
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
find a facilitates motion 
forward, which is what plate 

595
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,200
should do, it just adds more In 
step two. 

596
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,500
So you got to work over like 
trying to go over up like a 

597
00:29:18,508 --> 00:29:22,300
plant, like a wooden plank. 
So I think if you have a shoe 

598
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,200
that's not lining up with your 
mechanics. 

599
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,700
Yeah. 
I could totally see that 

600
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,000
happening. 
I can also see a ton. 

601
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,900
So very soft. 
Unstable shoe. 

602
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,400
That's also stiff, kind of 
preventing you from getting 

603
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,800
motion forward. 
And now, if you've got something

604
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000
stiff front to back and a soft, 
unsoftened, stable, shoe. 

605
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,300
Yeah, you're totally going to go
lateral. 

606
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:43,600
Medial. 
So I think if you have a carbon 

607
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,300
plated shoe that is not a, let's
say as Contemplated you. 

608
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,100
That's not appropriate for you. 
Yeah I can totally see that but 

609
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:52,300
on a global scale, we don't 
know. 

610
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,800
Enough yet to go this shoe type 
specifically causes this 

611
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200
problem. 
We just have some anecdotal and 

612
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,900
clinical stuff thus far Dave 
what do you think it's anything?

613
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,200
I agree completely. 
I think one thing that we can 

614
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,600
expand on a little bit too, is 
also the volume that we're 

615
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,800
running in these shoes? 
Because some people take these 

616
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,900
shoes, they go from never 
running in them before, it's 

617
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,200
running every run in them and 
there's so much We don't know, 

618
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,700
but like you said, there's a lot
of compliance to these Foams. 

619
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:21,000
There's a lot of stiffness 
forward to back. 

620
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:25,200
They they do change the way you 
interact with the ground. 

621
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,100
Like you can pretty much feel it
immediately whether or not like 

622
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,200
what your foots doing, on the 
inside is going to be doing the 

623
00:30:31,208 --> 00:30:33,500
same thing. 
But as far as how you feel and 

624
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,100
integrate with the ground is 
going to change from how you 

625
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,700
push off, how you land, you 
know, a lot of them are highly 

626
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,100
rochard. 
If you're not used to running a 

627
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:44,600
highly rochard soft shoes, 
you're going to stiffen your 

628
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,600
joints a little bit more, you're
going. 

629
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:47,500
That you're going to change your
mechanic slightly. 

630
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:52,400
And so, I think it's a very 
sticky question because we just 

631
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,500
don't have that much data on 
these things. 

632
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,700
But if there's an acute change 
and you go from running in 

633
00:30:58,708 --> 00:31:01,300
something, that is a little bit 
more traditional, maybe a little

634
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:05,600
more flexible, no plate to 
something that's very rigid. 

635
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,000
However, still very compliant 
and you're just smashing that. 

636
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,500
But all the time I mean there's 
a chance it could increase the 

637
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,100
risk, we just don't know, you 
know and this is Any one of 

638
00:31:16,108 --> 00:31:19,000
those things that over time, you
know you'll start seeing these 

639
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,300
these case studies, pop-up and 
anecdotally, I mean things that 

640
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:25,800
you know require high levels of 
stability or low, but the 

641
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,800
navicular metatarsals, you know,
it could happen, you know, and 

642
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,900
that's not to scare people, it's
just it's a risk, we all run 

643
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:36,200
when we, when we run period, I 
mean outside of any shoe that we

644
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,000
put on. 
But because of the compliant 

645
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,800
nature of these Foams and 
plates, it's just going to 

646
00:31:41,808 --> 00:31:44,500
change things. 
And so just like anything, I 

647
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,200
would make sure it's a gradual. 
Transition and it's something 

648
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,900
that you're ready for. 
If you do anything cold turkey, 

649
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:54,600
it's going to just, you know, 
it's going to change loads. 

650
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Yo, that's how it goes. 
So any drastic stuff? 

651
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,600
I totally agree. 
All right, Alex the is it Alex? 

652
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200
The cheater? 
Alex, the chatter, I don't know 

653
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600
says are there any Brands other 
than Adidas with this amount of 

654
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,200
lateral heel bevel I almost only
use Adidas now because of this 

655
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200
essential he'll bevel tends to 
give me post hip pain Just not 

656
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,500
surprising. 
So this is something I David 

657
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,800
might be sick of hearing this, 
but I complain about this 

658
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,800
constantly with with companies 
going. 

659
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,600
Why is the bevel not lateral? 
Now ideas, take take this to a 

660
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000
whole level. 
Yeah, that was pretty gnarly. 

661
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Yeah, anything that we've ever 
seen before. 

662
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,500
So this is pretty aggressive. 
The reason why I consistently 

663
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,300
comment on this is that Landing.
If your heel Striker landing at 

664
00:32:39,308 --> 00:32:42,500
the posterior lateral side of 
the heel is normal, that's where

665
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,500
people and they don't land on 
the medial side. 

666
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,500
They don't usually lands. 
Centrally some might but the 

667
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,100
majority people and posterior 
lateral and then roll inwards, 

668
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:55,000
that's normal. 
So if you have a central or this

669
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,500
shoe that has a medial one, if 
you have a central bevel, what 

670
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,900
that does is create lateral 
soulflayer here. 

671
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:03,600
So that actually when you land 
it, pitches you for inwards 

672
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,000
more. 
So, no wonder that makes sense. 

673
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,300
This is what I complain about. 
If you're having post tip stuff,

674
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,400
you're sensitive to that pitch 
in words from the lateral Soul 

675
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,300
flare, there are a couple 
companies that Doing a little 

676
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:19,300
bit better with this. 
But no one is doing this to the 

677
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,000
level that Adidas is doing. 
And even Adidas is kind of even 

678
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,500
brought it back, they're 
starting to centralize things a 

679
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:28,600
teeny bit more but they're still
they really do the best. 

680
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,500
I think New Balance has done a 
teeny bit of a job of creating a

681
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,700
lateral bevel Brooks. 
You can see them attempting it 

682
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,100
but they have so much posterior 
flare that it kind of negates 

683
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,600
it. 
So it's kind of not doesn't 

684
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,300
really do. 
Its job on Saucony definitely 

685
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:47,500
has a little bit of one, but no.
No one does it as deeply as 

686
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,800
Adidas with like the prime X or 
some of the older. 

687
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,100
The Boston, the audios Pro 
Series like, nobody's done it to

688
00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:00,600
that extreme so but what you're 
feeling makes sense from a bit 

689
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,700
by mechanical standpoint and 
this is why hammer on this and 

690
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,000
it feels like I'm going to 
complain right now. 

691
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,100
It feels like, oh, people are 
not listening. 

692
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,199
Oh, the other other company 
that's actually done a really 

693
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,500
surprisingly, good job in 
Salomon with their Pulsar shoes.

694
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:18,600
Is actually pretty solid lateral
bevel on here. 

695
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,300
It's not crazy but it's 
noticeable. 

696
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,100
Both with the, the pole star 
Trail to, and the inline pulse, 

697
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:29,300
or even though I really did not 
like the road Pulsar at all. 

698
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,199
That was probably the one good 
thing about it. 

699
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,400
But yeah, nobody is doing it to 
that extreme and I think a lot 

700
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,900
of companies are still 
struggling with it, in General, 

701
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:39,100
David. 
Any thoughts? 

702
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:42,900
I agree completely. 
I mean, I think Mizuno also has 

703
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:44,900
a posterior lateral bevel and 
some other shoes. 

704
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,900
Yeah. 
It's not nearly to the degree of

705
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:51,699
we've seen snow. 
It is Susan but it's very crazy.

706
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,500
No, I agree. 
I mean, that's not really 

707
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,400
anything. 
I can really add on to that to 

708
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400
be completely honest. 
I think you hit it pretty well. 

709
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:00,600
All right, let's go on to the 
next one. 

710
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,300
So Peggy ivor's ass, I am 
looking for some advice for a 

711
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:07,200
shoe at The Rocker soul. 
I have osteoarthritis in my 

712
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,300
ankle from an old injury and 
large bone spur on the tailless,

713
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,300
prevents me from having too much
flexibility with forward motion.

714
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,700
For those wondering, the 
tailless. 

715
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:19,000
Is the bone right in front of 
the ankle joint right here. 

716
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,900
So if she my assumption that we 
don't have any Imaging or 

717
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,100
anything like that but if 
there's a bone spur there it's 

718
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:27,700
probably preventing this from 
moving and from getting adequate

719
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:30,200
dorsiflex should or might you 
know maybe plantar flexion 

720
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,800
depending on where it is, but 
it's probably going to prevent 

721
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,000
her from getting adequate ankle 
motion, bone spur, the Tails 

722
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,200
prison for having too much 
flexibility with Forward Motion.

723
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,100
So probably dorsiflexion, I have
worn the altar Escalante for 

724
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,700
years and I'm sad to have to 
Away from that, from a shoe that

725
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,600
fits my foot naturally with the 
room it needs. 

726
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Can you recommend a forward 
motion lighter-weight rocker 

727
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Soul without too much foam? 
Build up and stiffness. 

728
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,900
Now Peggy I actually got to tell
you that I think Ultra still 

729
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:04,400
might be a decent option for you
but you might need to look at 

730
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,600
one of their tall. 
I know you said not too much 

731
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,700
film build up, not too much 
stiffness, but I still think 

732
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,000
that if you're looking for a 
wider and I there's a couple 

733
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
other options here but you may 
not have to leave all true. 

734
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,900
It's actually has some good 
options that are fairly well 

735
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:20,700
rockered, if you're doing 
really, really well. 

736
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,500
So one that comes kind of off 
the top. 

737
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:28,600
My head, I get maybe the Olympus
is going to be a little to stat 

738
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,400
all, but something like, the 
Turin might still be a good 

739
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,900
option. 
There's still a rocker there. 

740
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:37,900
It's not the most rochard. 
What's their other cushion one. 

741
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,400
Why am I blanking on this 
Paradigm? 

742
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Right, might be fine. 
I think it's it's a quote 

743
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,900
unquote, stability shoe but not 
really It's just comes from some

744
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,600
side wall so that the Paradigm 
might be a really great option. 

745
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,700
It's got a fairly good rocker up
front. 

746
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,100
You might want to try the Via 
Olympus, just because it does, 

747
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,700
because the stack height is 
salt, all the foam does 

748
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:00,500
compress. 
So it might still roll fairly 

749
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:03,200
well. 
But David, what do you think 

750
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,900
about a topo option? 
I agree. 

751
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,800
I mean, if you're already 
running an ultra, I'm Ed make a 

752
00:37:09,808 --> 00:37:14,200
broad stroke here and kind of 
assume that a wider four-foot 

753
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,600
myth like It's probably a 
design. 

754
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,900
That works pretty well for you. 
I honestly think Topo would be 

755
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:22,700
great. 
The only thing is, when I'm 

756
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:25,500
thinking about their options, 
especially on the road, they 

757
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:30,100
don't have as many rochard 
options. 

758
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:35,000
I mean, you have the magnifly 
that has some but it's not a 

759
00:37:35,008 --> 00:37:36,600
lot, but there's some 
flexibility there. 

760
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
That could be an option. 
You could use MagnaFlow for. 

761
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,000
I'm thinking about Specter, 
Specter, though, it's still 

762
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,300
pretty rigid up front. 
I mean, it's a little bit 

763
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:49,000
Doesn't play, but it like no 
place more flexible than a 

764
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,300
plated shoe. 
I guess. 

765
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,600
But there's still a decent 
amount of rigidity but I think 

766
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,300
it could still work. 
Yeah, I agree. 

767
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,400
The one that I was really 
thinking was actually the Topo 

768
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,100
Pursuit but that's a trail shoe 
that seems to like nail it as 

769
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:08,400
far as subscription goes, right?
Phantom actually if you even 

770
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,400
running in the Escalante this 
why not the Cyclone to it's a 

771
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,300
lower stock? 
It's higher up now it's what 25.

772
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:18,400
Five ish. 
I think I think that thing's 

773
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,700
going to be too flexible still 
for her and my dad that's going 

774
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:24,000
to be a lot of the other one 
that I was thinking actually was

775
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,200
the on cloud monster higher up. 
Oh, that's it. 

776
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Frosted shoe the plates 
flexible. 

777
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,900
It's not like a super rigid 
four-foot. 

778
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,100
That's the like because that / 
that kind of personal design 

779
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,600
actually works pretty well for 
me and that's why I brought up 

780
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,700
the monster in the cloud. 
Go earlier the right 16 kind of 

781
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:44,200
is similar but it's probably a 
little bit more rigid and snappy

782
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,600
upfront. 
So I probably wouldn't put Not 

783
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:51,100
in that category but yeah, it 
does I think between everything 

784
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,900
we just said there's a couple 
options there, right. 

785
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,500
This is a very classic clinical 
question that we get a lot. 

786
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,800
So for those who don't know, we 
don't do running stuff all the 

787
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,300
time we were clinically I would 
say more, it's more Orthopedic 

788
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,300
cases or even neuro we're going.
Hey I need something that's 

789
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,500
rochard right? 
We don't have access to maybe an

790
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,800
orthotic orthosis. 
What can we do? 

791
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,900
So Topo is actually one that I 
recommend quite a bit if you 

792
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:16,900
can't handle D'alessio drop. 
Because a lot of their models, 

793
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:21,400
still have like four to five 
plus a little wider more 

794
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,900
anatomic toe box which can work 
really, really well, which can 

795
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:28,200
be difficult to find. 
So I'd say if you aren't loving 

796
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,100
Ultras, other models. 
I think something from Topo 

797
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,900
might be a really, really good 
option to maintain that wider 

798
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,900
toe box with a little heel drop 
and a little bit more rocker 

799
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,800
might do you. 
Well, All right, guitar, jerk 

800
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,300
13. 
It's a great name. 

801
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,600
Alternatives for long time. 
GT 2000 users, who want to try 

802
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,300
something lighter. 
I just ordered the GTX version 

803
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,300
of The 11s, my last pair was 
version. 8, should I get the 

804
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,200
Keanu light 34 Road running or 
should I? 

805
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,800
Maybe look at a different brand.
I've been a seizure since I was 

806
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,300
a teenager, so as the stability 
guy, I'm going to tell you the 

807
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,500
newest version of the GT 2000, 
is actually pretty solid. 

808
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,500
It's under 10 ounces. 
I found it to be a little bit 

809
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,600
heavier than It fits. 
I think the weight is actually. 

810
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,700
It's supposed to be like point 
0, 1, ounce lighter or Point 1.0

811
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,800
1.1 ounces, lighter than the 
last version of I found version 

812
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,700
10 to actually be pretty Snappy 
and fun that I actually was able

813
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,300
to do like workouts in. 
So I would say if you haven't 

814
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,300
tried version to anything. 
Since version 8, try version 10 

815
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,500
know that you might need a size 
up because the arch didn't fit 

816
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,600
me very well with that shoe. 
And I was kind of really, in my 

817
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,000
face, the Kiana light 3 is a 
great shoe. 

818
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,900
It's Snappy it moves, quick. 
That might be an alternative, 

819
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,600
but it actually weighs exactly 
Exactly almost exactly the same 

820
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,200
as the GT 2000. 
So you know, that might be 

821
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,400
something but I had to hate to 
break your for you to like, 

822
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,600
finding those lighter stability 
shoes too, kind of dead at the 

823
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,200
moment. 
The only things I can think of 

824
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,200
is the Brooks launch GTS which I
honestly don't like very much. 

825
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,800
I was not impressed, I didn't 
find it snappy. 

826
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,100
I kind of found a little bit 
clunky. 

827
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,200
The Saucony temp is obviously an
option but we are a little 

828
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,300
biased with that one since we 
got to fly out to Saucony to 

829
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,100
talk about that. 
Just a heads up. 

830
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,100
It is a good option. 
It's lighter. 

831
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,700
Its nine ounces is very well 
cushioned. 

832
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,500
It's got a super foam there. 
No plate but that's definitely 

833
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,700
something. 
But you know what? 

834
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:21,600
Brooks didn't tell us anything 
about an embargo. 

835
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:25,700
So I'm going to bring this up 
that in July a shoe called, the 

836
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:29,100
Hyperion GTS is going to be 
coming to Market, and that is 

837
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:32,800
like the Hyperion from Brooks, 
but it actually has guide rails.

838
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,300
And this thing is like in the 
mid 7 oz range from what I'm 

839
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,500
measuring. 
So this come July might also be 

840
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:40,900
a great Option. 
It's lower to the ground. 

841
00:41:40,908 --> 00:41:44,000
So it's not your supermax Tech, 
I chew, but it's been really fun

842
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,800
to get some fast miles in. 
And I'm hoping we start seeing 

843
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,500
maybe a Sprinkle of some 
lighters to Ability shoes, but 

844
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:55,600
who knows so Hyperion GTS 
Tempest, even sticking. 

845
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,000
If you don't want to go that 
light. 

846
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,400
If you want to, you know, just a
little more trainer thing. 

847
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,700
Something like the Tempest, 
might be good if you're trying 

848
00:42:01,708 --> 00:42:04,700
something alternative, but if 
you still are really, I've 

849
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,400
noticed some people recently 
kind of afraid to go away from 

850
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,500
stability. 
If you're not willing to try 

851
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:10,400
something that's stable neutral,
there is still Options. 

852
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,100
I've say, the newer versions of 
the G 2000 might be worth 

853
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,200
testing but they're not, they 
don't the newest one didn't feel

854
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,100
the most Snappy David. 
I miss anything, anything you 

855
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,300
think of like, stable neutral 
wise, well, actually, even in 

856
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,900
the stability category. 
I still think the Saucony Guide 

857
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,200
is pretty responsive. 
Oh, how could I forget about? 

858
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,500
Yeah, that guy. 
That first guy would be great. 

859
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,000
Yeah, that was kind of the first
one that came to mind for me. 

860
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,700
That's kind of a pretty solid 
lock down. 

861
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:37,900
It has a performance, ask feel 
to it, but it's still a 

862
00:42:37,908 --> 00:42:39,900
different trainer but you could,
you could still turn. 

863
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,900
Over and that shoe like oh yeah,
it's lighter than the GT 3000 

864
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,800
Series. 
It definitely has that like, 

865
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,000
right as field where it's can be
snapping from. 

866
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,800
Yeah, there was a guy farmer, 
and expand. 

867
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,300
Yeah, yeah. 
The guys 16 would be also 

868
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,700
another great option for that. 
That's great. 

869
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,300
Sweet. 
All right, so this is, this is 

870
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:04,300
definitely a partial David. 
Partial me question, but 

871
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:09,300
definitely David. 
So Chris scheidemann. 

872
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,500
I would like to hear more about 
everyone's experiences with the 

873
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,500
Endorphin Elite and how it 
compares, the Endorphin Pro 3, 

874
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,800
and the audios Pro 3. 
So David, I think you're the, 

875
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,000
you're the one that just ran the
225, right? 

876
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,200
And the indoor for delete. 
So what do you think about? 

877
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,100
Because, and you, I'll let you, 
if you want to try to tackle the

878
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:28,900
audios Pro 3, I think I have 
more experience than you in that

879
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:30,000
shoe, because it didn't work for
you. 

880
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,700
But what do you think about 
endorphin? 

881
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,200
Elite thoughts? 
Because we have shot that video.

882
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,900
But, yeah, hopefully touched as 
much on, comparing it to some 

883
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:39,000
other things. 
Yeah. 

884
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,900
And then, and then we Do have 
that video. 

885
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:43,000
Comparing the two? 
Yeah YouTube. 

886
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,600
So if anyone do we do oh that's 
one ago. 

887
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,100
I forgot about that. 
Feel free to. 

888
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:48,800
Yeah, watch that. 
But I'll do some brief recap 

889
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,600
here. 
Let me just grab the two shoes 

890
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,400
here. 
So, here's the Endorphin Elite 

891
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,600
for the viewers. 
The Endorphin. 

892
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,800
Pro 3 is right here as well. 
So, if we take a look now, spec 

893
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,800
wise, they're like, pretty darn 
similar. 

894
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,800
Yeah, outside of composition, 
like, let's just leave the 

895
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,300
weights like basically the same.
Yeah, they're very, very 

896
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:13,600
similar. 
But plate just looking at 

897
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,100
design. 
If you're looking at the 

898
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:22,100
Endorphin Elites compared to the
Endorphin Pro 3, you have way 

899
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:26,500
more toe spring and forefoot 
rocker in the Endorphin, elite 

900
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,300
case one. 
So you have a more balanced 

901
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:32,600
rocker dried in the Endorphin, 
Pro 3, just look at it. 

902
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,800
You're going to have much more 
of a rolling sensation in the 

903
00:44:34,808 --> 00:44:37,400
end or finale the other big 
change. 

904
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,500
Now he'll bevel. 
I actually found these to be 

905
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,200
kind of Similar. 
It was more. 

906
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,000
So the midsole composition that 
felt different in the Endorphin 

907
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,600
Elite, you have power on HG 
which is their Newest Foam. 

908
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,800
It's what they have their 
highest resilience that they 

909
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,500
have been able to record so far.
It does run a little bit firmer 

910
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,600
than power and PB. 
It's still soft. 

911
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600
I mean, all these Foams are 
really compliant and my 

912
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,800
category, I would still say it's
soft, but it's not going to be 

913
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,300
as pillowy soft as the power n 
PB in the Endorphin Pro 3. 

914
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,700
So if you want something, Little
bit more cushy, little bit more 

915
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:14,600
cloudy. 
I guess you could say. 

916
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Like that's probably going to be
more than door from Pro 3. 

917
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:23,000
When you take a look at the 
platforms tractions obviously a 

918
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,500
little bit different, you have a
deeper midline Groove in the 

919
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,900
Endorphin Elite. 
You have an exposed medial 

920
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:29,900
aspect. 
I'm kicking mud all over the 

921
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,000
place. 
There was mud during my marathon

922
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,600
and so there's just dried mud 
falling off my shoe right now 

923
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,200
but that's okay. 
I'll clean that. 

924
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:41,500
Do you get the traction on 
these? 

925
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,400
So this one has a little bit 
more of an outsole. 

926
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,200
This is the Endorphin Pro 3, for
the listeners has a little bit 

927
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,300
more of an actual kind of grip 
to it. 

928
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:52,900
Whereas the Endorphin Elite 
follows more of that real slick 

929
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:56,200
Road running design where the 
outsole kinda has a little bit 

930
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,400
of give to it and almost catches
the road. 

931
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,800
That's very similar to the 
outsole that you see on the 

932
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,200
audios Pro 3 and audios Pro to, 
but I would say the big 

933
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,100
difference is you have a more 
balanced rocker and the And or 

934
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,100
from Pro 3, you might have a 
little bit of More Bounce, 

935
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,500
depending on how you land and 
how you use the indoor from Pro 

936
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:17,900
3. 
I felt like I might have had a 

937
00:46:17,908 --> 00:46:19,600
little bit more bounce, 
endorphin Pro 3. 

938
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,800
However, I had way more rhythm 
in the Endorphin Elite for 

939
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,900
myself and I felt like it's a 
shoe. 

940
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,200
I didn't really want to run 
super fast in it per se. 

941
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:31,900
Like, if I was running anything 
10K down, I don't think I would 

942
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,800
choose that shoe. 
But half marathon up, it's 

943
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,800
really nice. 
I could just fall in and settle 

944
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,000
into a pace. 
That's controllable where the 

945
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,600
door from Pro 3. 
It's actually kind of funny. 

946
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,200
It's a little unstable for me. 
I just how soft it is coming. 

947
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,300
Medially I don't think I'd want 
to wear it for a marathon. 

948
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:52,700
I just don't think I would. 
However, I think like you could,

949
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,300
I'd the range of possibilities 
between 5K up to Marathon. 

950
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:58,500
I think is a little bit more 
doable in the Norfolk Pro 3. 

951
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,800
So just based on how more 
balanced the profilers. 

952
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:07,400
But as a true Marathon racing 
shoe like for me, this works 

953
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,900
really well for my Mechanics for
the listeners that can see See, 

954
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:12,100
this is the Endorphin Elite. 
It's what I chose to run my. 

955
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,500
Most recent marathon in. 
It's probably going to be what I

956
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,900
run my next marathon in. 
I don't know that for sure yet. 

957
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,000
There's still some time to be 
decided for that. 

958
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:25,000
Half marathon is going to be up 
for grabs this between this and 

959
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,900
probably something else 
currently on my mind. 

960
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:31,700
But yeah, those are probably the
big differences. 

961
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:35,900
I mean, the audios Pro 3 also 
has a sharp toe spring that you 

962
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:39,700
see a wider base. 
Light Strike Pro is probably 

963
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,900
pretty similar to power on HG. 
I think from a feeling 

964
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,800
standpoint, maybe a tiny bit 
softer but I'd say, you have a 

965
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,000
wider base plate design. 
You obviously have the rods even

966
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,100
though they're now grouped now, 
right in the audios Pro 3 versus

967
00:47:55,100 --> 00:48:02,200
being individual, but it well 
actually, you know what, the the

968
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,200
Endorphin deletes, their kind of
rod-like as well. 

969
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:07,800
Are they? 
They're separated? 

970
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,400
Yeah, no, it's one of. 
That's one piece. 

971
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,300
No, I'm pretty sure. 
It's not a saw like a rod it's 

972
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:20,600
not like as thin as the as the 
and audios Pro 3 but I'm pretty 

973
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,200
sure it's almost like like 
thicker finger looking ones that

974
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,300
come through in need or finale. 
I'm pretty sure. 

975
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:29,600
Yeah, I don't know, we're going 
to double check the double check

976
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,700
that out Jr. 
Pull that up. 

977
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,400
No, we don't have a Jamie, to 
pull that up. 

978
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:39,800
But yeah. 
And I will have to check that 

979
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,400
later but I'm pretty sure that's
in the design. 

980
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:43,800
But there's a lot of 
Similarities between the 

981
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,500
Endorphin await in the audios 
Pro 3. 

982
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,200
I think there's a lot more 
volume in the fit of the Otters 

983
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,800
Pro 3 if you have a while. 
Yeah, but I'll let you go into 

984
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,200
more detail. 
On that one though. 

985
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,000
Yeah, that would say you're not 
rude definitely not wrong. 

986
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,300
In terms of there's there's some
similarities with the audios Pro

987
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:03,800
3 and the door for elite, I 
would the Endorphin Elite is 

988
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,600
definitely your. 
This is, this is a fashion shoe.

989
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,600
This is really meant to go 
really, really quick. 

990
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:12,200
The HD foam in my mind. 
Beats the Light Strike, ProForm 

991
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:14,600
hands. 
Out, in terms of responsiveness 

992
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,400
speed stuff like that, the 
audios pro3 though is still a 

993
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,800
great shoot for me. 
That ironically, I found both 

994
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,800
them to be fairly stable, which 
is great, the for different 

995
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,100
reasons, the rigidity and soul 
flare in the audios. 

996
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,800
Pro 3 was great, the side walls 
in the Endorphin Elite worked. 

997
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Very very, very well for me. 
So it neither one of them are 

998
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
true, stability issues. 
I think the audio is Pro 3 might

999
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,700
beat that just a little bit but 
yeah, little bit more volume in 

1000
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:45,100
both. 
On both them are definitely 

1001
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,700
long-distance Racers. 
I really had a hard time turning

1002
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,500
over quick in the audios Pro 3. 
Like I can do super long Everton

1003
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,700
it, whereas the Endorphin lie, I
can move quick. 

1004
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,500
So I think the Endorphin Elite 
for me is a little bit more 

1005
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,700
versatile in terms of the paces 
where the audios Pro 3 is truly 

1006
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:03,600
a marathon shoe but I mean, so 
is the Endorphin Elite as well 

1007
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,900
but that's how I would compare 
those a little plenty of people 

1008
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,600
are still running super fast 
like 5 km miles in the audios 

1009
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,800
Pro 3 but I was just I can't do 
that. 

1010
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,700
So It's just me. 
So I tied I went and I looked it

1011
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:18,600
up on Saucony. 
Look at it is it's thicker. 

1012
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,200
It is yeah yeah it's a one-piece
Play. 

1013
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,800
It's one piece through the heel 
through the mid foot as you get 

1014
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,600
into the forefoot. 
It's four different pieces. 

1015
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,000
They're all, they're all part of
the same plate, you know, but 

1016
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,400
there's just a split. 
There's three splits that make 4

1017
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,900
pieces for other, the audios Pro
3. 

1018
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:39,800
Those those, there's those 
individual rods, are used to be 

1019
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,500
a play in the heel, but I 
believe they took that out. 

1020
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,400
Out. 
And now it's just full length. 

1021
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Rods throughout the whole thing.
But yeah, both all of them, 

1022
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,300
great shoes. 
I think you just need to figure 

1023
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,900
out which one works best for 
you. 

1024
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,500
All right, we got Bruno case, 
Sita says, New Balance fuel cell

1025
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:04,400
Propel the for versus a six 
Glide Ride, three, considering 

1026
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,600
both our Rocker with the TPU 
plate, which one is more stable,

1027
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,200
any other fun alternative. 
So I've got and I'm buried to 

1028
00:51:12,208 --> 00:51:16,500
get our view on the Propel for I
would I mean it is but not it's 

1029
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:20,600
not in the same. 
Category as rocker as for the 

1030
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,500
Asics light Glide, right? 
That shoe is incredibly rockered

1031
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:26,700
and rolls insanely quickly 
forward. 

1032
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:30,200
Whereas I feel like this one 
kind of just feels like your 

1033
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,300
run-of-the-mill that the the 
fields of probe honestly. 

1034
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,100
Just feels like your 
run-of-the-mill fuel-cell daily 

1035
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,700
trailer to be totally honest 
with you. 

1036
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,900
I found the fuel cell propelled 
to be a little bit more stable 

1037
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:42,400
as the plate comes up on the 
side. 

1038
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,900
I didn't find the Glide ride to 
be that stable. 

1039
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,700
Yeah, trolls you for really 
quick but the softer ride. 

1040
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,900
I'd kind of had me all over the 
place so I instability wise 

1041
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:56,200
would choose to propel for over 
that and any other fun 

1042
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,300
alternative David, what do you 
think? 

1043
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,900
I'm fun alternatives to those. 
I haven't on the Propel so I 

1044
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:08,400
don't actually know. 
Yeah, not like I don't know. 

1045
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,500
The first thing I did was 
something that has a little bit 

1046
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:14,900
of a sharper toast, bring up 
front that you can really kind 

1047
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:20,100
of roll forward with I guess, 
the next question is defined 

1048
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,000
fun, does that mean light and 
quick? 

1049
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,200
Or does that mean what weirdly 
comes off? 

1050
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,400
The top my head especially, 
although the library Yaks. 

1051
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,400
Actually, I think might be an 
alternative to me. 

1052
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,100
It's feels like it's rockered. 
Known Ford, pretty quick. 

1053
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:38,400
That's probably a pretty similar
ride to the Glide ride for 

1054
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,800
myself. 
Definitely not the Propel, the 

1055
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,100
Propel. 
I don't know if people have 

1056
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:46,500
tried it, but I haven't found it
a fast shoe and I know they said

1057
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:50,000
it's a daily trainer, but Ten 
point seven ounces and you can 

1058
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,900
you do notice that? 
I mean there's a little bounce 

1059
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:55,500
that takes the edge off of that 
but the Glide ride moves quicker

1060
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,000
than the Propel for. 
I mean, if you want a fun 

1061
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,800
alternative was expecting to 
come, those are, it's still the 

1062
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,900
spectres in a totally different 
class. 

1063
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,500
It's, that's a fast shoe. 
I can move quick in that one. 

1064
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,500
These are little how these are 
so these are above 10 oz shoes. 

1065
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:16,000
So I'd say I mean if you're 
gonna go like now I fun 

1066
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:23,900
alternative like alternative 
like let's get a little crazy is

1067
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,500
like the New Balance fuel-cell 
super comp trainer which is 

1068
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:29,500
actually similar in weight to 
the Propel. 

1069
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,700
I try to think what else? 
Yeah, that's gonna be a tough 

1070
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:37,300
one. 
The Endorphin shift has a sharp 

1071
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:39,600
toe spring. 
Yeah. 

1072
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,600
And that's like a gentle yet. 
No, it's not. 

1073
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,700
Yeah, dude, I would pick this. 
I would pick this shift over 

1074
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,400
either of those just because 
it's lighter and moves quicker, 

1075
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,300
but yeah, if you want to go nuts
and have fun, I would say the 

1076
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,400
fuel cells, super comp trainer, 
just because it's somewhat 

1077
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,400
similar weight range, super 
cushion. 

1078
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,400
But yeah, those the Propel for 
is a little weird. 

1079
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,300
My review of some feedback and 
thoughts on that but we'll get 

1080
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:10,700
to that. 
All right. 

1081
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,100
Adam Fierce to says, per my Ig 
message are there? 

1082
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:18,000
Some people who are super shoe 
non-responders or slow adapters?

1083
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,800
Yes, what are racing shoe 
options 5K too full. 

1084
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,000
For someone who has a strong toe
off with a calf Bush was always 

1085
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,800
run well and flexible shoes. 
Or how do you adapt or use that 

1086
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,400
strength with stiff shoes David?
I feel like this is a perfect 

1087
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,900
question for you to lead off on.
Yeah I mean if you do have some 

1088
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:39,200
light options yeah if you like 
flexible Shoes by all mean 

1089
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,000
running, fuck. 
We'll see if they give it works 

1090
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,500
for your mechanics and you like 
it. 

1091
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:45,900
I think one that just came out, 
that's a banger flexible shoe. 

1092
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,400
I said it earlier in the 
episode, but it's a topo Cyclone

1093
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,800
to. 
Oh yeah, that's it. 

1094
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,500
Keep a great option and so it's 
very flexible. 

1095
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:56,000
There's no plate and there's 
still a lot of life to this shoe

1096
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,600
and the weight is like riding 
that high. 

1097
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,200
Six love. 
So no. 

1098
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,000
It's I think my parents like low
sevens but I think it is written

1099
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,700
for delights listed around seven
though, I think but still that's

1100
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,800
like that's like comparable with
a lot of the other Racing shoes.

1101
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:09,600
It's marketed as a lightweight 
rain. 

1102
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,700
Sir, but I honestly think you 
could rip a 5K in this, like I 

1103
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:14,600
would have no issue running a 5k
in this. 

1104
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,100
That's a good option. 
Another one, this is an older 

1105
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,100
shoe if you could still get your
hands on it. 

1106
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,300
I'm we're talking feather-light 
and we're talking flexible. 

1107
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,600
And we're also talking to people
at space foam, which this shoe 

1108
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,300
hardly got any press. 
When it came out the Reebok 

1109
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:32,000
forever. 
Oh yeah. 

1110
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,400
Energy Pro. 
Dude Reebok. 

1111
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,900
What did you do? 
You have a passport? 

1112
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,000
Yeah, you had so much potential 
with that. 

1113
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,300
Maybe it's because it was 
Expensive. 

1114
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:42,800
But then it went on sale for 
like, a hundred bucks. 

1115
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,200
And I was like, dude, this is 
great. 

1116
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,100
Yeah, like that shoe would be a 
killer, a lightweight flexible 

1117
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,900
racing option for you. 
Another one though, like is the 

1118
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,700
ones not everything has to have 
a carbon plate, and I think a 

1119
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:57,500
lot of these more flexible 
options are doing that and one 

1120
00:55:57,500 --> 00:55:58,900
of them could be the Adidas to 
commit sin. 

1121
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:01,400
Now, it's still a little bit 
stiff but there's, there's a 

1122
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,700
plastic energy rods through 
there. 

1123
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,300
Another one that comes to mind. 
Now I haven't run an issue but 

1124
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:09,700
it's just something that comes 
to mind is the Nike. 

1125
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,400
McFly where they're using more 
of the shank design. 

1126
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,100
It's still people basis. 
There's you mix foam, it's a 

1127
00:56:15,108 --> 00:56:19,100
more flexible profile. 
Yeah. 

1128
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:22,500
And then I saw you were holding 
the hyperspeed right hyperspeed 

1129
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,100
and liberate Nitro to. 
I mean both these like delivery 

1130
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:27,700
Nitro especially is plenty of 
cushioning Under Foot for being 

1131
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,600
like six and a half ounces. 
Oh, I got it, bring this up. 

1132
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:38,000
Topo yep, my size 10 for the 
Cyclone two ways, 7.1 Oz, like 

1133
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,900
you the ways way, you know? 
No, you gotta give him some 

1134
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:45,300
credit to a lively not yeah, Han
it certainly can be a light 

1135
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:47,700
training way trainer for some 
people, but you got a market 

1136
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:52,100
that as legit non plated super 
foam racing flat because it is 

1137
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:56,900
uh yeah you missed your 
marketing on that one likes. 

1138
00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:58,300
Not too late if I guess you 
didn't. 

1139
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:02,400
You just drop you can still grab
it but come on size 9 what 

1140
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,800
weighing and 6.47. 
Yeah. 

1141
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:08,300
Yeah, and ago and they're 
marketing. 

1142
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:11,300
It is also a trainer of a shoe 
like that shit is so versatile. 

1143
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:15,100
What that got my most versatile 
recently and something that I 

1144
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:18,400
was into, so what L will shoot, 
but going back to the first part

1145
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,600
of that question. 
So, are some people Super Shoe 

1146
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,800
non-responders slower, adapters?
Yes. 

1147
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:26,100
And we've actually seen this in 
the research, some of the 

1148
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,700
original studies didn't tell you
or didn't make it clear. 

1149
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,300
I should say that there were 
some people who had like, let's 

1150
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,700
use the 4%. 
As at the example, that was a 

1151
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:37,400
four percent average. 
Which there's people who had 

1152
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,900
like ten percent Improvement 
economy and those people had 

1153
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:42,500
like an 810 percent loss in 
economy. 

1154
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:44,600
And there was a study done 
recently that I'm blanking on 

1155
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,400
the name where they took a bunch
of things Canyon athletes or 

1156
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,100
that Ethiopian I can't remember 
and they all put them in these 

1157
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:52,800
Super Shoes. 
When we compare it with some 

1158
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,900
group of Europeans and they 
found that the response to these

1159
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:58,400
shoes was all over the place. 
Somebody had like a I think it 

1160
00:57:58,408 --> 00:58:04,300
was like a 15 or 10 percent or 
even more decrease or like like 

1161
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,700
worsening running economy. 
In these shoes and other peoples

1162
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:09,500
who went crazy. 
So yes, there are some people 

1163
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:11,500
who are going to do super well 
and these and there's other 

1164
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,200
people are going to go these 
sock days. 

1165
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,900
They don't work for me. 
And there are options out there 

1166
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:18,500
still. 
So the Cyclone to is a great 

1167
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:20,200
option. 
If you want some flexibility, 

1168
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:24,500
there's still stuff out there. 
I think the liberate Nitro to 

1169
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:26,900
and the hyper speed to wear the 
shoes that immediately came to 

1170
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:29,000
mind when I've run in these. 
I was like dude these would be 

1171
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:32,600
top of the line Marathon Racers.
If it if we weren't in this 

1172
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,900
super shoe era but there's still
a couple companies that are 

1173
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:36,800
putting it out there. 
There. 

1174
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:39,100
And if there's other issues 
aren't working for you, find 

1175
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:42,000
these, they work just as well, 
use have to figure out what 

1176
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,600
works for your body and that's 
some of the challenges. 

1177
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,400
Some of the marketing is you 
like, oh, it's you know magic, 

1178
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,400
these plates are magic and all 
that is not not really. 

1179
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,100
It's the combination of how it's
working with your body. 

1180
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,300
They really makes it magic. 
Now how do you adapt your use 

1181
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:58,400
that? 
You got to see if your body can 

1182
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,900
work with it and the answer 
might be it doesn't right you 

1183
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,200
might not do well with the super
compliant phones. 

1184
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,100
You might not do well with the 
super level of stiffness and 

1185
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,300
that That's you can try, you can
ease your body weight into it 

1186
00:59:09,308 --> 00:59:13,400
and see if it'll that but you 
know if it feels comfortable 

1187
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,900
running and flexible shoes 
there's still options out there.

1188
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:18,300
You have to work a little harder
to find them but they're there 

1189
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:24,100
and we hope that helped. 
All right, let's keep going 60. 

1190
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:27,600
Faye Cooper race shoe 
recommendations for forefoot 

1191
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,600
Strikers who have sensitive for 
Feats, which is essentially all 

1192
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,500
of us for four runners who run 
our tippy toes. 

1193
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,500
I'm experienced Runner of 30 
plus years and truly struggle 

1194
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:37,800
with many of the racers as As 
they fry, my four foot on 

1195
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,700
anything longer than a half 
marathon. 

1196
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,300
David, what do you think? 
Since you just did a marathon? 

1197
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,700
What do you think? 
You know, it's such a tough one 

1198
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:47,300
because I mean yes you're 
landing on your forefoot but I 

1199
00:59:47,308 --> 00:59:49,300
don't know like how you're 
landing on it. 

1200
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:51,600
Are you like how your pronator 
you're super supinated? 

1201
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Are you locked out? 
What I will say is if you feel 

1202
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,200
like you need a little bit more 
cushion underfoot, there are 

1203
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:07,700
lower drop options out there. 
There is the Ultra racing shoe. 

1204
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:10,200
I haven't raced in that. 
I haven't worn it. 

1205
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,400
I can't speak on the performance
of it. 

1206
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:16,700
A shoe that does come to mind. 
Ironically would be the Nike 

1207
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:20,000
Alpha fly version 1. 
I know some people that have 

1208
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,800
responded well to that shoe that
do run like that. 

1209
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:27,000
I would look at something that 
has a little bit of toe spring 

1210
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,200
but not a lot because if you're 
already up front and that thing 

1211
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,200
is spooned out too much, you're 
going to have a hard time 

1212
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:36,300
pushing off of it because it's 
already you're already at the 

1213
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:39,100
point. 
Where it rolls forward and so 

1214
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:41,000
it's not going to work too well.
So, you're going to want 

1215
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,200
something that has a little bit 
more of a moderate rocker to it 

1216
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,500
to the front. 
So I something that comes to 

1217
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,900
mind top of that. 
Could be something like the 

1218
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:55,000
north, a 3 or the New Balance, 
SC Elite 3, a little bit, less 

1219
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,300
dramatic upfront, that all, you 
take something that's a little 

1220
01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:02,700
bit more flexible and you just, 
you just accept that. 

1221
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:05,700
And that could be something like
the takumi or like everything we

1222
01:01:05,708 --> 01:01:09,700
just listed before. 
I hope that helps yeah, yeah. 

1223
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:12,000
Yeah. 
I would definitely agree with 

1224
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,900
everything. 
David said. 

1225
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,400
In terms of, you got to figure 
out, why is your forefoot 

1226
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,000
sensitive, right? 
Are you having trouble with the 

1227
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,100
plate? 
Which is probably, the thing is 

1228
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:20,400
going to create the most. 
If this up there, are you in a 

1229
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,400
flight person that the the pods 
are bothering you or is it 

1230
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,600
something you haven't tried yet?
That might be great. 

1231
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:28,800
Are you a person that runs a 
Newton in the lugs being too, 

1232
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,600
like aggressive or putting too 
much pressure there? 

1233
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,600
Which Newton does have a super 
shoe coming out that has a lot 

1234
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,800
more stack under it so that may 
or may not work. 

1235
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:39,400
I think, yeah, I would 
definitely get trying to figure 

1236
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,300
out. 
Why are you struggling with that

1237
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:42,600
and you might need a little more
flexibility. 

1238
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,400
So David mentioned, the cash. 
What's the vanish carbon from 

1239
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,300
Ultra? 
They also have one called the 

1240
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:51,200
vanish Tempo which is 
essentially almost the same 

1241
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,600
thing without a plate so that 
might do a little bit better for

1242
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,400
you and still light. 
It's still a great shoe for 

1243
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,900
Marathon distance but you just 
got to figure out why that's 

1244
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:03,000
bothering you and then use that 
to go. 

1245
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,500
Hey, can I handle a plate? 
Great here are the options. 

1246
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,300
Can I not? 
Delay plate. 

1247
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:10,100
That's where you need to go, 
okay, I still need a super light

1248
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,000
shoe, maybe something like the 
toe post. 

1249
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,000
Even the taupe of Spectre, the 
ultra vanish Tempo. 

1250
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,500
Some of the stuff that David 
listed off, like, trying to 

1251
01:02:19,508 --> 01:02:21,300
figure out why this is getting 
irritated. 

1252
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:23,900
I think it's going to be the 
combination of figuring out, 

1253
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,600
what works for you. 
All right, let's choose we're 

1254
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,700
getting over an hour here. 
So let's choose one, let's do 

1255
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:37,500
two more. 
Let's do we have a classic one? 

1256
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,000
That will give this person full 
credit for for bringing this 

1257
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,200
back. 
But the first one I kind of want

1258
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,400
to dig into It is a little over 
the place, but I'm going to try 

1259
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,900
to summarize it. 
I'll read the whole thing. 

1260
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:53,700
So it's CM says, any shoe that 
does not work of the foot. 

1261
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:55,800
Surely weakens it, unless the 
wearer has a permanent 

1262
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,300
disability, should carbon plated
running shoes? 

1263
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:01,000
Be used for racing only and is 
there an alternative response to

1264
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,100
the standard response is very 
your Footwear to rest the 

1265
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,500
muscles as opposed to rest until
your body can run properly. 

1266
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,700
Again, using your feet and leg. 
And it seems that to me, that 

1267
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:12,300
fear sells, all sorts of things.
So CM, let us know if you're 

1268
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:15,200
listening, if I'm summarizing 
this correctly, is that it seems

1269
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,000
sounds. 
You're saying, you know, these 

1270
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,500
more, you know, whether it's a, 
a supportive shoe, superphone 

1271
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:27,100
shoe that if your foot can't 
work, it's going to get weaker, 

1272
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:30,500
right? 
The second part is therefore 

1273
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,300
shoot, you know, these super 
shoes that are going to take a 

1274
01:03:32,308 --> 01:03:34,500
lot of force away from the 
ankle, which is always true. 

1275
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,800
Should you only use those for 
racing? 

1276
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:42,200
And do you really need to vary 
your foot where all the time to 

1277
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,400
be able to run to get ready to 
run properly again? 

1278
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,300
I think there's a lot there so 
I'm going to jump on the first 

1279
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:53,100
one and say that we've actually 
there's been some the there's 

1280
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:57,600
some not good research out there
that is that is done so poorly 

1281
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,900
and was like not enough like one
person that suggests that maybe 

1282
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,300
your feet might get a little 
weak, but the larger studies 

1283
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:04,800
that have been done have 
actually shown that. 

1284
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,800
That's not true that some of 
these shoes despite being super 

1285
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,900
from whatever your feet are 
still working. 

1286
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:12,200
Pretty hard in those shoes 
especially if a really compliant

1287
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,200
midsole so you're still going to
be gripping and so don't assume 

1288
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,100
because has a shoe has more 
bounce or whatever that your 

1289
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,600
foot muscles aren't necessarily 
working and we've actually seen 

1290
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:21,900
the same thing with stability 
shoes. 

1291
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:26,100
Some people actually like the 
the the post or whatever 

1292
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,900
actually makes them, pull up 
away from the posts are actually

1293
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:32,100
engaging the muscles, more other
people fall into it more and 

1294
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:34,000
rely on it. 
So there's not really a clear 

1295
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,600
cut answer but the idea of a 
certain shoe weakening your 

1296
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,000
foot. 
Really depends on the person, is

1297
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,800
it good? 
If you can to get your feet out 

1298
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,600
of the shoe every once in a 
while not just lie for run, but 

1299
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,000
just to kind of Wiggle. 
Around. 

1300
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,500
Yeah, that's fine. 
Can everybody handle all the 

1301
01:04:48,508 --> 01:04:51,400
different types of shoes? 
No, but I don't it consistently 

1302
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,900
person-to-person. 
We haven't found that 

1303
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:56,000
everybody's feet. 
Get weaker being in a certain 

1304
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,700
shoe. 
There might be some changes, but

1305
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:01,200
it's not been consistent. 
The other thing moving on, is do

1306
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,100
carbon plated, Racers, should 
you only be using them for 

1307
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,700
racing? 
I would say no, David alluded 

1308
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:09,500
this earlier, he's going. 
Yeah, you know, I'm kind of 

1309
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:11,400
picky with the shoes. 
I'm using when I'm doing my 

1310
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,100
build up, but as I get close to 
the race, I need to figure out 

1311
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:16,300
what works for me. 
And I think you should, you 

1312
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,600
should not save a plated shoe 
just for re State. 

1313
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,100
You've got a longer race, you 
need to take, do take that show 

1314
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:23,700
on a couple long runs to go. 
Does this work for me? 

1315
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,700
Because if you don't know and 
you only taken at like 5 miles, 

1316
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:30,200
you're going to run a marathon. 
You are at you or wrenching into

1317
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,400
unknown territory, and you might
not finish you might, but you 

1318
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,500
don't know what your body's 
going to do. 

1319
01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:37,700
Especially after that, 15, 20 
mile Mark like, so, yes, you 

1320
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:40,300
should definitely be using them,
especially as you test, and go 

1321
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:45,700
can my body handle this and then
I think the last question, Try 

1322
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:48,300
to summarize. 
And David, you tell me if you 

1323
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:50,500
think I'm way off on this, I'm 
actually going to ask it to you 

1324
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,700
is. 
Is there an alternative response

1325
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:55,600
to vary your Footwear to rest 
your muscles? 

1326
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,500
As opposed to, just waiting 
until your body recovers? 

1327
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,700
What do you, how would you 
respond to that if that makes? 

1328
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,700
Yeah. 
So it's kind of how I look at 

1329
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:09,800
performances. 
Similarly as well. 

1330
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:15,200
I'm unless proven otherwise due 
to some other external. 

1331
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:17,700
Variable, I'm always going to 
side with the athlete. 

1332
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,400
There, the one they have to put 
the performance down, they have 

1333
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,100
to move their legs. 
They have to run and do the race

1334
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:28,700
in the performance. 
With that said that also is 

1335
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:35,700
accountable for recovery and I 
don't fully believe in Footwear,

1336
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:39,000
it, can it help some aspects of 
recovery? 

1337
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,100
Sure. 
But is that going to be the 

1338
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:45,400
piece that drives recovery? 
Absolutely not. 

1339
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,600
You gotta sleep, you gotta eat, 
you gotta take care of yourself,

1340
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,700
you know, like every once in a 
while have I worn a shoe that 

1341
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:56,800
maybe has a little bit more 
resilience every once in a while

1342
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,200
on an easy day because I feel 
really beat up. 

1343
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,300
Yes. 
I have do I do that all the 

1344
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:03,200
time? 
No, I definitely don't. 

1345
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,700
And especially we were just 
talking about all the foot 

1346
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:09,800
muscles and how hard they 
actually work and some of the 

1347
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,400
issues like sometimes it might 
feel good in the short term but 

1348
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,600
then it's like oh wow. 
Like like my Lower legs are 

1349
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:23,200
gassed, but I think the shoes 
are tools like use them for that

1350
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,100
if you feel like you really need
that on that day, then go for 

1351
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:28,700
it. 
But it's like I wouldn't make a 

1352
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:32,300
normal habit of doing it just 
because of this idea that it's 

1353
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:36,000
going to make you recover more. 
Like I said earlier there's a 

1354
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,900
lot we don't know and there's 
not really a lot of longitudinal

1355
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:41,100
studies on this stuff where 
you're looking at. 

1356
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:45,800
Like this person wore it for six
months, how did that? 

1357
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:48,600
On all of their easy days and 
now we're taking a look at 

1358
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,300
different kinds of biometric 
data or whatever inflammatory 

1359
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:54,700
markers, whatever to quantify 
that. 

1360
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:57,300
There's just that data really 
isn't out there to my knowledge.

1361
01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:01,700
I haven't seen any of it and 
there's some risks that go along

1362
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:04,300
with the two and so, and it's 
hard to keep track of those 

1363
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:05,600
things. 
And so it's one of the 

1364
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,700
limitations in research as a 
whole but not to spin off of 

1365
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:13,000
this. 
But it's just, I would be very 

1366
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,200
reluctant to use shoes as the 
driving Enforce of recovering 

1367
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,100
her legs. 
That's just what the point. 

1368
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:23,700
I want to drive home is. 
Yeah, I think you hit the nail 

1369
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:25,899
on the head there though. 
I would not go. 

1370
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:27,500
I'm going to use this shoots 
guns. 

1371
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:31,300
Could help me recover faster. 
You might feel less sore but 

1372
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:33,700
these shoes aren't magic. 
They aren't going to take. 

1373
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:35,899
They don't remove forces, you 
can't do that. 

1374
01:08:35,899 --> 01:08:38,300
They are going to shift them. 
They're going to move them into 

1375
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:42,000
just different spots. 
And so the so you might go. 

1376
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Oh, you know, I'm really beat 
up. 

1377
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,600
Someone to use this to try to 
maintain my Sauron mean, you 

1378
01:08:46,608 --> 01:08:48,800
know, I feel I feel good. 
I'm going to pick up the pace 

1379
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,700
and I know I can recover faster.
That's not how it goes. 

1380
01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:56,200
And we're these shoes have not 
decreased injury rates, I think 

1381
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,600
they've changed them. 
I think they've changed the 

1382
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,300
injury types where may not get 
as many stress related ones in 

1383
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:03,700
certain areas. 
But we're actually seeing some 

1384
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:06,399
research suggests that there 
were seeing some stress ones in 

1385
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,600
different areas, but your 
musculoskeletal system still, 

1386
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,700
has to recover. 
The softer compliant phones. 

1387
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:14,800
You're still like, you need that
stability component, you need 

1388
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,800
your muscles to be able. 
All to deal with that. 

1389
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,000
They're going to stiffen up 
more, you're going to have your 

1390
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,700
stride length increase so that's
going to put stress in different

1391
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:24,100
areas so I really don't think 
anyone should be going. 

1392
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:26,300
Yes, I'm going to use this shoe 
because going to be for your 

1393
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:28,800
help recover faster. 
The impact, a shoes going to 

1394
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,000
have on your recovery compared 
to what David mentioned, me 

1395
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,200
sleep, smart training, good 
nutrition that. 

1396
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,300
Yeah. 
It's the latter ones are a 

1397
01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:39,300
billion times better than any 
specific shoe. 

1398
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:42,899
So I would say don't do that and
I would not use any fear related

1399
01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:43,899
with that. 
I would say. 

1400
01:09:43,899 --> 01:09:47,300
That's it's a company trying to 
Sell a product, but there's 

1401
01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:48,399
other things that are way 
better. 

1402
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,399
It's the same thing with like 
foam rollers, right? 

1403
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:54,600
And we talked about this, if you
like foam rolling awesome. 

1404
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:57,200
Does it make you recover any 
faster? 

1405
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:01,000
On a whole know. 
It doesn't the nutrition sleep. 

1406
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,300
A smart training is going to do 
a billion times better. 

1407
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:04,800
If it makes you feel better. 
Go for it. 

1408
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,000
There's nothing wrong with it. 
But if you're like going, is it 

1409
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,800
going to make me recover faster?
Know there's some things that do

1410
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,000
and a lot of other state things 
that are kind of a giant that 

1411
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,500
maybe missed marketed. 
But all right, so our last 

1412
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:20,700
question and you know what? 
I'm going to let David totally 

1413
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:23,500
take this one just because we're
going to do this, oh, GG. 

1414
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:26,300
Because for the listeners who 
have listened to us for a while,

1415
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,200
you'll know that I always like 
freaked out on those questions, 

1416
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,900
especially if it was 
sport-related and I'd be like, I

1417
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:35,800
don't know, please ask me last. 
So our last question. 

1418
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,700
David is KS runs asked. 
If each dor member was a shoe 

1419
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,200
whatchu, would they be that's a 
loaded question from? 

1420
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,000
Me to just take the whole thing 
out. 

1421
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,600
Yeah. 
And that's I'll help you. 

1422
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,400
I'll help you. 
But I was really bad at this. 

1423
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:55,200
We always had that if this shoe 
was a what at the end of our 

1424
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:59,100
podcast for long time? 
And we kind of how we gotta 

1425
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:02,700
bring that back because I think 
listeners enjoy me being super 

1426
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:06,200
awkward at the end and you have 
a great answers every time I 

1427
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,300
think I'll start off with one 
because we very very briefly 

1428
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:13,700
talked about it before the show 
started I'm going to kick it off

1429
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:17,500
with Andrea. 
I think Andrea would be the Nike

1430
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:22,600
structure reason why she's very 
structured. 

1431
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,100
Okay, that's fair. 
Okay. 

1432
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,200
Gosh, he's got all the 
components are there they're 

1433
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,600
visible. 
I's are dotted. 

1434
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:33,200
T's were crossed, you know and 
it's a Old Reliable type of shoe

1435
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:39,500
and I not to say that you're old
and you're not but like I think 

1436
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:42,800
it's just it's a very structured
elements and I think it 

1437
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,800
coincides with with her 
personality And how she goes 

1438
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,100
about things. 
I'm going to give her some 

1439
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:50,500
credit because the newer 
structures have been totally 

1440
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:51,800
redone. 
They're taking a totally new 

1441
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,400
view on stability and I think 
people are going to really like 

1442
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,700
them just like the fact that 
people seem to really like it 

1443
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,200
when Andrew comes on and does 
the podcast. 

1444
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,800
So you can see I keep okay, all 
right. 

1445
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,200
Yeah, who's next? 
Who is next? 

1446
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,900
Who is next? 
Who is next? 

1447
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:08,800
When I would have said the 
Hyperion Max cause she likes 

1448
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,200
that shoes so much but that 
doesn't you know that Stephanie.

1449
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:13,000
Did you just why you're doing a 
better job of me? 

1450
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:17,400
You know, I'm going to Ago with 
Bach next. 

1451
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:25,200
Okay, he's gonna get the craft 
race Rebel, it's not a box shoe.

1452
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,400
Is not a box. 
You what is back and there isn't

1453
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:35,700
quite as Bach is, it's a very 
mysterious looking shoe, right? 

1454
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:41,000
It's a black on black Print, 
very, very minimal, like details

1455
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,200
on that thing at all. 
The only thing that says on 

1456
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,300
there is let's rage you know 
with the culprits on the roof 

1457
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,000
and it's is this mysterious 
looking shoe and it's like on my

1458
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,800
shoe while it's in that like 
dark corner over there, it's 

1459
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,900
like a shoe that I won't. 
I like, The shoe. 

1460
01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:57,200
I'm not gonna lie. 
It's one of these days. 

1461
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,800
I'll pull out every once in a 
while but it's just like that 

1462
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,100
mysterious shoe and the Shadows 
that like is doing things. 

1463
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:07,000
But no one really talks about it
much and he's the wizard behind 

1464
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,100
a lot of this, you know, and 
he's a little bit of a rebel, 

1465
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:12,300
he'll do what he wants. 
You know? 

1466
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,600
And we all got that that very 
true. 

1467
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,000
Yes. 
So I for those of you who don't 

1468
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,300
know that Bach is an amazing 
human being and has driven, 

1469
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:24,100
probably a majority of the 
growth that we've had since he 

1470
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:28,300
came on and just like Yeah, he 
is an incredible human being 

1471
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:31,200
said, the mysterious shoe that's
a little bit of a rebel that 

1472
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,500
that's Bach. 
It's hard. 

1473
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:38,800
I gotta like, I gotta like, 
summarize everybody into a shoe.

1474
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,900
This is, this is hard. 
This is, this is very hard. 

1475
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,900
You'll know, when we post this 
episode, if anybody drops off 

1476
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:47,500
the West websites, they got 
offended and left. 

1477
01:13:47,500 --> 01:13:50,400
So we'll find out what happens. 
Yeah, you know, and I think for 

1478
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:51,800
the next one's going to go to 
dr. 

1479
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Klein over here. 
All right. 

1480
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,200
I want to hear this. 
This should be good. 

1481
01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:01,900
Yeah, so I'm gonna give you your
going to be the Adidas Prime X. 

1482
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,600
And the reason why is I'm tall 
and unstable? 

1483
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,400
No, I'm just kidding, tall. 
That's a question, mark. 

1484
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:13,700
No, I think most you guys are 
taller than me, actually. 

1485
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:17,700
Yeah 58. 
Yeah, no reason why there is a 

1486
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:21,500
lot going on in that shoe. 
You have that is true. 

1487
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:24,800
Heirs of plates. 
You have that crazy posterior 

1488
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:29,300
lateral devil. 
You've got a very narrow midsole

1489
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:32,400
through the mid-foot, but still 
surprisingly wide forefoot. 

1490
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,600
It's just a shoe. 
That's got a lot going on but 

1491
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,200
somehow it still can perform 
quite well. 

1492
01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:40,800
That's yeah, I like that. 
That's sir. 

1493
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:44,000
Most people wouldn't break if 
they use it if they try to like 

1494
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,000
hang with it. 
Yeah. 

1495
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,700
I don't like I don't know how I 
keep going. 

1496
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:48,000
That's fair. 
I'll take that. 

1497
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,100
Yeah, it's like my toes broken. 
I'm running. 

1498
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,500
It's fine. 
Like that's the primary. 

1499
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:58,200
That's, that's, yeah, I did take
a week, ish off to be to be but 

1500
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,300
then I kept running out of 
stuff. 

1501
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:02,200
So you just find out how. 
Yeah. 

1502
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,600
That's fine, that's good. 
I like it. 

1503
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:10,200
Yeah you know when I think of 
Nate man, let's see here. 

1504
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:13,900
Nate's got a lot going on too, 
though. 

1505
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:20,600
And I mean, we all do. 
I'm trying to think with him. 

1506
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:29,300
I think he brings kind of this 
like calming not super. 

1507
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:35,700
Not a lot of friction like 
except when he gets triggered, 

1508
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:37,200
the biggest failure. 
Yeah, but it's different. 

1509
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:42,200
Yeah, kind of a very like 
balanced feel Him where it's 

1510
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,600
like, the shoe that I would give
him would be something that I 

1511
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,000
can do a little bit of 
everything in, but it's not 

1512
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,600
something that feels, you know, 
bad at anything. 

1513
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,900
But it's just something I'd 
comfortable its cozy. 

1514
01:15:55,900 --> 01:16:00,600
Right. 
And I think that shoe is for 

1515
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,700
him. 
The Puma deviate, Nitro Elite 

1516
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:07,400
version 1 A little bit flexible.
You can use like, that shoe. 

1517
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:08,800
It's a shoe. 
He taiked. 

1518
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:14,200
Yeah, and it's, it's just a 
comfortable shoe. 

1519
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,100
Like, I feel like I could walk 
in that shoe. 

1520
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:20,000
I could run slow in that shoe. 
I could run fast in that shoe. 

1521
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,100
I was going to race a marathon 
in that shoe. 

1522
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,900
And yeah, so I'd give him the 
Puma deviate. 

1523
01:16:26,900 --> 01:16:29,800
Nitro Elite. 
Are we going like all the way 

1524
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,300
down? 
Are we just kind of, I don't 

1525
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:33,300
know. 
II got a thing. 

1526
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:35,600
Let's do the middle. 
I'll be nice to you. 

1527
01:16:35,608 --> 01:16:39,300
Let's do b.j. 
And then you or in this, okay? 

1528
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,100
For BJ, for homie Casper, he's 
also a mysterious one for the 

1529
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:48,600
viewers and listeners because 
you hardly ever seen him, you've

1530
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,300
only seen him once he was on one
episode, he showed it to us, 

1531
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:55,900
once we got block on an episode 
and know, we haven't gotten back

1532
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:57,400
on an episode. 
He has showed himself a little 

1533
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,900
bit more on Instagram though. 
He does. 

1534
01:16:59,900 --> 01:17:02,300
He's Instagram famous but not 
podcasts. 

1535
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,600
I'm too famous yet because no 
Did he did an episode? 

1536
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,800
He did do a YouTube thing which 
was phenomenal and I loved every

1537
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:13,800
minute of it but, you know, This
last part is going to be just 

1538
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,900
one segment, I got it. 
Yeah, right. 

1539
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:22,400
Yes, I've I think I've got it. 
I'm just trying to, I've got the

1540
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,300
mom. 
I've got the brand. 

1541
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:24,800
I'm trying to think of the exact
model. 

1542
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,600
Okay, got it. 
Okay. 

1543
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:35,900
BJ is going to be the on cloud 
Swift, and the reason why he is 

1544
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:42,000
the on cloud Swift, now he is a 
very go at the floats. 

1545
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,300
I Then but he can be kind of 
particular as well. 

1546
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:47,400
He likes his details, he likes a
structure, the sir sound guy, is

1547
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,500
our audio engineering know like 
he, he likes to keep things. 

1548
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:55,200
Very he a lot of attention to 
detail and on love him and 

1549
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,800
block. 
All have the like this similar 

1550
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,000
store, whether like fans and 
they reached out going. 

1551
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:03,000
Hey, we love the content, but my
area of expertise you guys, do 

1552
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,800
such a bad job that I'm reaching
out to try to help you. 

1553
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:10,800
Yeah, social media like 
management and sound for the 

1554
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,300
podcast, like you guys sound 
tail. 

1555
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:13,800
Herbal like please let me help 
you. 

1556
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,200
Like yeah, sure, give you shoes.
Yeah so and I feel like on does 

1557
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,300
a pretty good job of like 
attention to those small little 

1558
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:22,900
details you know? 
And it's one of the reasons why 

1559
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:25,500
I think some of their shoes are 
aesthetically pleasing for a lot

1560
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:27,500
of people. 
You know, whether it's the 

1561
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:30,800
tongue or the eyelids or like 
just little things even like the

1562
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,300
little lace is it says put me 
on, you know, like just little 

1563
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:38,600
things like that. 
I feel like he is a non shoe and

1564
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,300
the reason why he's the cloud 
Swift is because it's kind of 

1565
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:46,300
like this urban lifestyle 
running shoe that you can still 

1566
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:48,700
do a little bit of both, which 
is kind of what he does, right? 

1567
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:52,700
He has a full-time job as well, 
doing what he does, and then he 

1568
01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:55,400
helps us out. 
And the Swift part of it is that

1569
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,800
he does a pretty good turn 
around for these big audio 

1570
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,800
projects. 
You know, I feel like that shoe 

1571
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,200
is pretty encompassing to him. 
I feel like he's always pretty 

1572
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,300
put together when he comes on 
the screen. 

1573
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:08,700
Hair is always done pretty well 
not that you guys see him on 

1574
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:10,300
screen. 
He's usually in the background 

1575
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:14,000
but he's present. 
He's Somali looks, you know, 

1576
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:16,500
he's seems put together. 
He's probably the most people's,

1577
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:18,400
the rest of us actually. 
Like I feel like, yeah, there's 

1578
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,300
like a lot more put together 
than any of us when we're all on

1579
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:23,700
the same screen. 
So I feel like it's a pretty 

1580
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:26,200
clean, get up. 
And so, I give them the on cloud

1581
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,600
Swift sweet. 
It's also a fairly I think it 

1582
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,400
ventilates really well, so he's 
lives in Texas. 

1583
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,000
So he needs all the ventilation,
you can get. 

1584
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,300
So, that's not. 
All right, all right, follow the

1585
01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:37,100
final one for you. 
What would, what should you give

1586
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:39,700
yourself? 
You know, I don't know if I can 

1587
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:43,500
give myself a shoe, you know? 
I feel like That's on welfare to

1588
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:47,500
be like I'm this and I feel 
weird saying I am, you know, 

1589
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:49,800
like we gotta for continuity / 
unless you want me. 

1590
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,700
And it's like, I do purposes. 
I don't know, I don't know. 

1591
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:55,000
I honestly don't know what I'd 
be. 

1592
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,100
I feel like I have a lot of hats
as well, you know, where I kind 

1593
01:19:58,100 --> 01:19:59,700
of in a little bit of 
everywhere. 

1594
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,300
Man, I don't know if I had to 
give myself issue. 

1595
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,200
It'd probably be a shoe. 
I can't talk about, you know, 

1596
01:20:10,700 --> 01:20:13,100
what a court? 
Yes, that's perfect. 

1597
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:15,500
That's it. 
That's, that's the shoe you give

1598
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:17,700
the shoe is, hey, I can't talk 
about this. 

1599
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,100
Yeah, like no one's actually 
motion, like, I'm sorry. 

1600
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:25,200
I can't talk about it. 
I can't talk about it. 

1601
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,600
Yeah. 
Now that any and all 

1602
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,600
seriousness? 
I don't know. 

1603
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,300
I honestly don't really know. 
No, I think that's appropriate. 

1604
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:33,700
I think that I can't talk about 
this shoe yet. 

1605
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:38,900
Is your shoe I've got big plans 
that can't talk about it, yet. 

1606
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,900
You know what's going to happen?
All right, then I guess I'm a 

1607
01:20:42,908 --> 01:20:44,500
secret shoe. 
Your secret routes? 

1608
01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:45,200
Okay. 
S, rods. 

1609
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,900
I hope that answered your 
question. 

1610
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:49,000
What was that? 
Like a 15-minute segment? 

1611
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,900
That was that was solid. 
Yeah, and you get that we can 

1612
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:53,600
think on my feet that was were 
not. 

1613
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,600
Yeah. 
Those are not plan answers. 

1614
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,100
This is good. 
Even the and remember that I 

1615
01:20:58,108 --> 01:21:01,400
threw that ball quickly, like we
barely talked about that. 

1616
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,400
I mean, that was probably a 
solid 20 seconds of conversation

1617
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,800
before we hit record. 
Yep. 

1618
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:10,300
Yep. 
So we hope you enjoyed that that

1619
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:11,900
would really want. 
Oh my gosh, we have made it to 

1620
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:15,100
80 minutes so we might break 
this up later on. 

1621
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,400
We'll see what BJ keeps and 
throws out but we appreciate 

1622
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,000
you. 
Listening is always and we hope 

1623
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,300
that some of the variety that 
we're giving you with the Q&A 

1624
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:24,400
episodes is cool and try to 
answer some of your questions 

1625
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,500
and hope for those of you that 
email us a message us. 

1626
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:29,600
This is a good way to kind of 
get some of those out and do a 

1627
01:21:29,608 --> 01:21:31,700
better job of responding with 
again. 

1628
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:37,400
Remember we all have full-time 
jobs, if not two or more, And we

1629
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,700
do this because we love it. 
We try to do our best to educate

1630
01:21:39,700 --> 01:21:42,500
as much as possible. 
We appreciate all the feedback 

1631
01:21:42,500 --> 01:21:44,000
we got and all the great 
questions. 

1632
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:47,300
If you are interested in 
learning anything else, please 

1633
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:49,100
visit our website. 
We've got tons of educational 

1634
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,200
articles, a lot of this content 
is all centered there. 

1635
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:53,800
As always, we have stuff on a 
variety of social media 

1636
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:59,400
channels, be at LinkedIn. 
Instagram Facebook, this box, 

1637
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,400
probably still doing the tick, 
tock all over the place. 

1638
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,900
We've obviously got this 
podcast, which you can see on 

1639
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:08,500
both YouTube and A of areas 
including Spotify iTunes in a 

1640
01:22:08,508 --> 01:22:10,500
variety of areas. 
So whatever medium you want to 

1641
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:13,200
take in this information, it's 
out there because it's always, 

1642
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,800
we are hoping to help give you 
more information about this 

1643
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,900
stuff because we want you to be 
able to run and enjoy this stuff

1644
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:21,900
and learn about learn more about
what works for you. 

1645
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:24,200
As always, if you have any 
questions, keep an eye out, we 

1646
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,700
have some really cool stuff. 
Come up the docket, some really 

1647
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,800
cool people that I can't talk 
about yet because we're trying 

1648
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,300
to make sure this is happening 
but stick around. 

1649
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:33,100
It's gonna be really fun.