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Everyone, welcome to the Doctors
Running Podcast. 

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Are we a group of doctors of 
physical therapy Talk about the 

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art and the science of the 
things that we put on our feet 

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today. 
Myself and Dr. Andrea Myers are 

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going to get together and do. 
I don't know what we're going to

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call this, but it's like we had 
a really cool opportunity where 

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we go, hey, we're both testing 
this shoe and we're having like 

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literally the opposite 
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Let's go talk about this and 
talk about why and see if we can

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understand why the other person 
is having that. 

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So Andrew, thanks for joining me
today. 

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We're doing this in the middle 
of the week, unlike we typically

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do this on a Sunday night. 
How are you doing first of all? 

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I'm good. 
Things are good. 

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I got out for some nice runs 
over the weekend. 

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Spring is definitely here in 
Connecticut, so it's nice and 

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hot for those listening. 
This the Boston Marathon was 

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going on today, so we won't 
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them or just kind of let them 
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What do you think? 
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this airs, people will know, so 
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It so question for you, what 
shoe or prototypes were you most

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excited, if you saw any, on the 
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I would love to know what Helen 
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know that that's the same. 
Thing I was like oh man, on like

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your two new prototypes and you 
add like what looks like a full 

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knit upper that looks so cool. 
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like some people get excited for
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what prototypes are people 
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So you know. 
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in her shoe looked a little bit 
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tree. 
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It might be totally wrong, but I
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drop, although the Echo doesn't 
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To be honest with you, so. 
We will have to. 

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See, it's got such an aggressive
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So that's that's another story. 
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another episode talking about 
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all the fun stuff that's coming 
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But today what we're going to 
talk about is actually the 

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Saucony Endorphin Pro 4. 
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Saucony sent us pairs of these. 
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the Endorphin Pro series since 
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I still remember I got my hands 
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ago, not too long ago at the 
Olympic Marathon trials where my

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wife was running and I was like 
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I was running around while she 
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that, like extremely hard course
in Atlanta and try to get a 

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review out as fun as much as 
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And it's like super cool. 
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things have changed because 
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somewhat similar. 
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changes and the soul did change,
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similar. 
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different and version four has 
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And as to introduce this again 
Andrew and Ike, like we had 

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totally opposite experiences I 
think everywhere outside of fit.

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And so we want this episode to 
be as kind of like a what do we 

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want to call it like a face off 
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what do you want to call this? 
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keep doing this. 
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Normally it's it's Andrea and 
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the exact opposite experiences, 
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So that's what are their 
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this shoe. 
So Andrea, can you introduce a 

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little bit more about the 
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like purpose and specs? 
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that. 
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endorphin for one was the first 
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I wasn't testing shoes for 
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was getting, yeah, not yet, but 
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and I just loved that shoe. 
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then, so it was a great 5K10K 
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So that I would definitely agree
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The one and the two felt 
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The three was totally different.
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is like 10 mile to marathon and 
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different. 
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first three, the four is most 
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in terms of its snap. 
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one, but out of the three 
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similar to the one for me. 
So let me introduce the specs 

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quickly. 
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size 9 is 7.7 oz 200, 18 grams. 
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that 6 ounce mark for the women 
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but it's still a very light 
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Or 7 oz for seven oz. 
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for that, yeah. 
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32 in the forefoot for an 8mm 
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super shoes it doesn't feel like
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Perfectly comfortable for me. 
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from Matt making a review video 
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And I watched it and I 
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said I disagree with everything 
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And that's where the idea for 
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And we'll talk about this in a 
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very different running styles, 
You know, nobody has the same 

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running style as somebody else. 
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the same experience. 
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extreme example where basically 
everything that we wrote in our 

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review outside of Fit is the 
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And that's why, that's why we 
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reviews is that we know that 
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differently to shoes. 
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that's similar to you in terms 
of mechanics and how you fit and

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things like that, that's what 
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We're not looking to have one 
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end all be all. 
People are different and you 

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can't get around that. 
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may have us that one of us that 
you like is one of your 

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reviewers. 
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different, you know, reviewer in
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running. 
We totally get that 'cause you 

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need to find who works best. 
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the scenes of how we kind of 
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So yeah, so other other couple 
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the soccer need or from pro that
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made an impact. 
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of power run HG. 
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think we both liked it. 
I thought I found it versatile 

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across like any distance. 
I used it from 5 Ki used it for 

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half marathons. 
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while just because I haven't had
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do so. 
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No, it's bad, terrible. 
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bounce issue that and I don't 
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one of the first shoes that 
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so for me the Nike Vapor Fly in 
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bounce of the storms like whoa 
like soccer you can tell me this

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is power run PB in here but I 
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And by the way even if they call
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changing its phones and 
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The endorphin Pro 4 now features
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which is their newest type of 
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The phone major phone found in 
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So there's a lot of changes. 
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this shoe, the fit is different 
on this shoe how it rides, but 

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how he's personally gonna 
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So Andre, why don't you start 
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you 'cause that was different 
from version 3. 

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It was, yeah. 
I was actually wondering if I 

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should have gotten a different 
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I've gone up a half size for 
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The using my regular size just 
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short, I would immediately get 
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So half size up has worked 
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When we got the endorphin speed 
for it just felt so big on my 

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foot compared to the other, you 
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speed. 
So it made me wonder, OK, when 

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Saucony sends us the Pro, should
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And it turned out Saucony didn't
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size. 
So they sent me 1/2 size up like

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usual. 
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definitely longer than the 
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My foot didn't slide around, it 
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comfortable. 
I'm sure I could run in my 

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regular size, but it wouldn't be
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be the potential for black 
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So I know a lot of people do go 
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line. 
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border, you might find that 
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4. 
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basically like on the border of 
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shoe. 
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with a half size up. 
I'm pretty lucky that I'm I'm 

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usually usually pretty solidly 
A10 in most things so like 10 

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for all the different versions, 
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I can't think there's only 
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companies that actually make 
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I've had to go 1/2 size down in 
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pretty consistent. 
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That said I found this shoe to 
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Not enough for me to want to 
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that if I went 1/2 size down it 
would definitely I would 

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definitely lose some toenails 
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But it just felt 18 bit longer 
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because prior speeds and pros 
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close like the Endorphin Pro 4 
or sorry, 3, just felt like it 

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was a little bit too tight. 
But I didn't want to lose that 

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because I was kind of like, oh, 
this feels like a racing shoe, 

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like it's closer fit. 
It opened up after I broke the 

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upper end. 
This one I didn't need that, 

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this one where there was more 
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length. 
So I definitely agree with you 

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on that. 
How do you feel about the volume

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of the shoe? 
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noticed compared to the version 
three was there's a lot more 

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volume. 
Like I had to really cinch down 

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the laces to get a secure fit 
that I wasn't slipping around 

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it. 
Same. 

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I found the exact same. 
And you can see, you know, this 

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is basically the shoe coming off
my foot and see how tight I've 

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had to cinch the laces. 
This shoe has a ton more volume 

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than any of the previous 
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And again, when you first put it
on your foot, I think I thought,

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oh, this is going to be too big.
It's going to, the material's 

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going to crease. 
It's going to cause some 

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irritation. 
The material did crease when I 

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tied it, the tongue did 'cause 
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tongue it's hard to see on the 
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It's also one, it's a one piece.
I think you can see this a 

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little bit better on mine for 
those of you on YouTube that it 

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does crease over, but I didn't 
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Did you? 
Me either. 

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Yeah, it creased, but I didn't 
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The tongue is super long and you
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it's kind of designed to fold 
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I left it up. 
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ankle a little bit, but I 
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I would. 
I noticed nothing about the 

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upper of the shoe when I was 
running in it, despite all of 

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the concerns that I had 
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It does For those who want a 
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made me feel reminded me of the 
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where although the this upper is
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Pro 4 is where like if you have 
a higher volume foot and you've 

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really struggled to get a good 
fit with some of the lower 

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volume racing shoes, I think the
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really well for you. 
Even if you don't you can block 

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you can really tie the laces 
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pretty adjustable. 

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Definitely not narrow. 
Definitely not like, oh I'm 

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going to like it's it's 
squishing my foot. 

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You can get this thing to not 
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room. 
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that. 
I don't know that might crease a

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little bit too much, but I might
be totally wrong. 

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Yeah, I agree. 
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to different foot types, which 
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do in a racing shoe. 
Definitely increases its value 

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for runners. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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I do still appreciate there. 
There is a heel counter back 

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here and I have to comment on 
that. 

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Hasn't bugged me at all. 
There's still some flexibility 

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to it with just a little 
structure. 

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I know that's one of my weird 
quirks. 

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And no, I haven't. 
I'm not trying to run sockless 

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in this thing because the the 
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scratchy and that crease I was a
little nervous with. 

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But I'm I'm the only one on the 
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comment. 
Huh. 

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Well, we've got to have somebody
who doesn't. 

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How is it that you haven't like 
a triathlon background and you 

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haven't done like sockless 
running right, like? 

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I don't have a triathlon. 
Background Oh Oh my bad. 

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You just treat. 
Triathlons. 

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I'm sorry. 
I do all of the sports that 

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triathletes do, but I do them 
separately. 

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That's fair, That's fair. 
I'd give you a hard time about 

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that. 
I've. 

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You haven't done them together. 
You've just done them in. 

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Exactly. 
So you just have it transition. 

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OK, fine. 
I'm going to get a bunch of 

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nasty comments on the YouTube 
for that one. 

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OK, have to give you a long 
time. 

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So now that we had some similar 
experiences with the upper, what

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talk us through or what your 
experience was with the the 

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midsole first of all? 
So I should first say that I 

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really enjoy the ride of the 
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mentioned earlier, the midsole 
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Elite for me, and I think you 
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definitely a firmer phone. 
It feels denser, It's snappier. 

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I mean comparing the Endorphin 
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those were two very, very 
different shoes both in geometry

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and in mid sole field. 
Ironically, they had very 

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similar similar weights, but 
they could not have been more 

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different in terms of their how 
they felt and felt. 

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Yeah, which is great because 
it's good to have more than one 

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super shoe option for people in 
a brand. 

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So I think that part of my 
experience with the right of the

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shoe does have to do with that 
top layer of power on HG in the 

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endorphin pro form. 
But you know, I trust Saucony 

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shoes so well, 'cause there's 
really no Saucony shoes that 

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have really not worked well for 
me. 

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That my first run in the shoe 
was a workout and I do all my 

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workouts from home, so you know,
my warm up up and cool down are 

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in the same shoe that I do my 
intervals in and I went out my 

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front door and I felt like a 
baby deer running. 

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I was like, I don't think that I
can do this run in these shoes 

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it they just felt so odd running
slow in them. 

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I was like no, just give it a 
chance, keep going and they 

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still felt odd running slow. 
And normally when my warm up 

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would be like in the 8 minute to
830 range, my warm up was in the

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730 range just because it didn't
feel right at all to run my 

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normal slow warm up pace in the 
shoe. 

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So that was my first impression 
like, wow, these are firm, these

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are very propulsive, like it's 
hard to control the shoe at the 

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slower pace. 
But then I had a bunch of. 

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I think my first workout was 
like 10K pace intervals, maybe 

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like a bunch of eight hundreds, 
and it just felt awesome. 

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Like it's so propulsive. 
It feels like all of the energy 

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you put into the shoe is just 
put into forward motion. 

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Definitely no sinking in 
feeling, which the endorphin Pro

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3 definitely has. 
The Vapor Fly two definitely 

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has. 
Vapor Fly Three has. 

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Not much of A sinking in 
feeling, at least for me, but 

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the shoe just went like there 
was. 

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There was nothing but forward 
motion for me and subsequent 

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workouts. 
I'm training for shorter races 

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this spring and summer, so I've 
been doing 5K pace work, mile 

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pace work, and like the faster I
ran in the shoe, the better it 

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felt. 
It just felt like it's tuned to 

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go fast and that firmness and 
that responsiveness just felt 

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like it had an additive effect 
the faster I ran. 

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I also used it on like a 10 mile
like slower tempo run where I 

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was running like 45 seconds 
slower than marathon pace and it

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was fine. 
But at the same time I also had 

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that kind of like I can't really
control this shoe feeling at 

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this slow pace and it definitely
wouldn't be like my first choice

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for running this pace. 
It just felt, it felt too fast, 

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like I had to run faster just to
make the shoe feel right. 

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And I know that that's pretty 
much the opposite of the running

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that you've done in the shoe. 
But I think it's important for 

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our listeners to know that Matt 
and I have very different 

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running styles, so I land at my 
lateral midfoot. 

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If you look at my shoes, the 
outsole of the heel is 100% 

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intact even if I've got 200 
miles on them, whereas Matt is 

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the posterior lateral heel 
destroyer. 

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In 10 miles. 
Of course, the way that we 

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interact with a shoe is very 
different because we're loading 

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the shoe in very different ways.
So Matt, how were your training 

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runs in the endorphin Pro 4? 
Literally had the the exact 

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opposite experience where other 
than the fact that I did notice 

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it was firmer than I expected. 
And again, I want to clarify and

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I always try to clarify this 
with some of these super shoes. 

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This is not a firm shoe. 
Like there's a ton of cushion 

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there. 
Like if I'm comparing this to a 

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pair of vans, this is not a firm
shoe. 

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It's just firmer than I would 
have expected for so much foam 

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under foot and it was definitely
a firmer, let's maybe use some 

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different terms. 
The compliance was less than I 

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would have expected for so much 
foam, whereas the compliance and

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resilience of the three was a 
lot. 

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It really compressed and really 
bounced back for me. 

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This one there was not, it was 
definitely responsive sole. 

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It just the compliance wasn't as
high and I didn't get as much 

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bounce out of it. 
And so I had the opposite 

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experience where when I took it 
for an easy run I was kind of 

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like like I did the same thing 
as you were. 

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I don't go to a track to do 
this. 

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Everything is done from home or 
done from the car and I got to 

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keep going because trying to get
to work or what have you. 

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So when I put it on, it kind of 
like this is like oddly firm, 

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like I'm not getting as much 
bounce as I expected out of it. 

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And I was like, this kind of 
feels better, just kind of 

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rolling along and I did some 
kind of strides. 

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I was warming up in my first 
workout and I went OK the 

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strides when I'm going at like 
marathon, maybe half marathon, I

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feel like tempo, pace feel 
really good but when I try to 

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push it past that I'm 
struggling. 

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So my first workout was a like 
like 1 1/2 two mile tempo 

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followed by some faster 4 
hundreds. 

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Because like Andrew what I'm 
trying to do is I'm not worried 

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about longer distance stuff. 
I'm trying to get speed and 

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think about longevity and really
get some good 5K stuff. 

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And probably the biggest thing I
should also clarify, a lot of 

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this is done with Isabella. 
So this is pushing a stroll the 

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same time so add another 
variable in there that we've 

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talked about wondering So would 
like to try that. 

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Like it's no longer about me. 
It's trying to go what's the 

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fastest stroller races I can do 
like crush people while running 

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by in a stroll. 
No, I'm just kidding. 

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It's just to see what I can do 
with my daughter. 

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So for, that's the first I. 
Think you should. 

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You should review the best 
stroller running. 

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That's. 
Very true. 

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I don't know how to quantify 
that, but we'll work on that. 

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So again, the warm up actually 
felt fine. 

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Felt a little bit odd because 
warming up in any super shoe 

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usually feels slightly odd. 
There's some better than other 

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ones. 
But it didn't feel too terrible.

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Just like, wow, this is 
different, This is weird. 

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When I started the workout, the 
tempo run felt the best. 

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I was like, OK, I can just lock 
into a pace. 

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It's I'm not going the fastest I
possibly can, but this up tempo,

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tempo, effort feels really 
comfortable. 

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I can lock into this good 
rhythm. 

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This is good. 
When I finished and I started 

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trying to do the four hundreds, 
which I've been really good 

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recently, about being able to 
change into different gears, I 

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really couldn't do it. 
I really couldn't push that. 

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Like even though I was doing 
400, just running harder, I felt

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like I couldn't push down into 
any faster pace. 

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I was like it felt like I 
couldn't access anything quicker

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in the shoe. 
And I don't know if it's because

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I that transition was weird for 
me, but it just didn't feel as 

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good when I was trying to really
turn over very quickly. 

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It felt best when I was doing a 
consistent effort and kind of 

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like in that like half marathon 
marathon pace and the what made 

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me again think about another 
comparable shoe for me 

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personally with something like 
these New Balance Super Comp 

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there SC Elite version 4 which 
is definitely more of a long 

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distance racer, not something I 
can turn over fast based on the 

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foam fills. 
It's just like this is a 

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comfortable shoe although that 
shoe is far more versatile into 

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easy run pace than the Endorphin
Pro is. 

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It was just something made me 
think of that. 

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But yeah, I just couldn't get my
legs to turn over faster or 

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transition. 
It just felt like it was bouncy 

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and the best bounciness I got 
was at that mid range pace. 

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But as soon as I tried to go 
faster I just couldn't do it. 

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I don't know if I wasn't able to
turn over fast enough or 

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compress the shoe enough the 
right way, I just couldn't get 

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there. 
And that's been different 

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because I have been getting 
there with shoes like the the 

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ASICS, like the Meta Speed Edge 
and and even Sky. 

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I can definitely access those 
paces and a lot of other shoes 

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like from Ultra, The Advantage 
Carbon too, I can do that. 

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I really struggled to do that 
there. 

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Although later I will say after 
the five Ki did in the Meta 

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Speed Edge, I was able to get in
a workout where I was finally 

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able to access those faster 
paces in the Endorphin Pro. 

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But it was the same thing where 
it's like you mentioned like 

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having a hard time controlling 
the shoe. 

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I had really focus to keep at 
that 5K pace. 

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As soon as I lost focus, I like 
it. 

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The the like odometer started 
air night odometer, the the the 

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speed started cut like the pace 
started dropping or coming back 

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up. 
Yeah, it was an interesting 

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experience. 
What do you think it is like? 

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Can you attribute that to a 
particular feature of like the 

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geometry of the soul, like the 
heel to forefoot transition, how

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the foam feels for you? 
Yeah, that's a good question. 

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I think the foam is just a teeny
bit firmer and it feels like it 

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takes. 
It's either I'm not compressing 

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it fast enough or it compresses 
a little bit slower than I'm 

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demanding of it. 
I don't know which one it is. 

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The other thing I'm also 
wondering is it because it fits 

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slightly long. 
I'm wondering if I'm not hitting

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the four foot rocker at the 
right at the right place because

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the Osaki does. 
What do they call this? 

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They have a special name. 
Like the speed roll. 

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The yes, the speed roll 
technology, Most of their shoes 

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00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,040
I've done pretty well and like 
like you, I did very well 

449
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,840
running five KS in the original 
Endorphin Pro, like, it worked 

450
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,480
well. 
It was a little bit firmer. 

451
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560
It wasn't the softest super shoe
that's come out. 

452
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,720
I could definitely understand 
how people would do stuff 

453
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,960
longer, but that that length of 
speed will work really, really 

454
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,080
well for me. 
This one I'm wondering because 

455
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,720
it feels like it fits me just a 
tiny bit long if I'm just not 

456
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,520
hitting that quite in the right 
spot into two different foams. 

457
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,240
I don't know. 
My my nervous system, my pro 

458
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,160
perception's pretty sensitive. 
It changes. 

459
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,600
I'm also wondering if the two 
different completely different 

460
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,080
foams, if I'm having a hard 
time, like feeling, which one's 

461
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,920
compressing at one rate at 
certain paces. 

462
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,800
But that's a total. 
I'm not even sure if I'm 

463
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,120
communicating that right. 
But heel transition's fine, 

464
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,240
yeah? 
Yeah. 

465
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,000
With any shear, and we've talked
about this, the body has to 

466
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320
figure out how to best run in 
that shear. 

467
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:08,240
And I mean you the term for that
would be muscle tuning, but it's

468
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,520
not just muscle tuning. 
It's really learning nervous 

469
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,720
system, learning how to not only
time your muscular contractions 

470
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,040
but also timing particular range
of motion of knee, hip, ankle, 

471
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,760
foot, it. 
There's a lot that goes on and 

472
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,000
this happens whether you're 
running or learning to play ping

473
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,680
pong or whatever. 
Your body has to fine tune its 

474
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080
neural firing patterns to help 
you be most efficient at a 

475
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,520
particular movement pattern. 
And of course, shoes do 

476
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,240
influence how we move through 
foams and rockers and levels of 

477
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,240
compliance and resilience. 
So if a shoe is, and I don't 

478
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,160
know if this is true at all, but
just logically if a shoe is 

479
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,600
significantly different than 
other shoes you've been running,

480
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,760
and then perhaps it takes longer
for your nervous system to 

481
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,480
figure out the best way to use 
it. 

482
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,960
That's very true and we're we 
are a unique group because we 

483
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,600
run through so many different 
pairs of shoes because of what 

484
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,000
we do in terms of testing and 
reviewing. 

485
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,160
We have to kind of our bodies 
have to be really good at 

486
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,760
adjusting really, really quick. 
There are some benefits to that.

487
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,640
There are some consequences that
we've experienced at different 

488
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,520
times but it's always 
interesting when you're 

489
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,760
transitioning from something 
that feels like so different 

490
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,800
than what you're used to. 
So there's definitely a little 

491
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,160
learning amount and I but I will
still say even though I may have

492
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,600
learned it a little bit it was I
still like something how the 

493
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,000
transition wasn't working for me
when I tried to go to faster 

494
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800
paces where you had the opposite
where really didn't work well 

495
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,440
when you're running easier or 
kind of tempo ish like up temp 

496
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,160
like marathon ish effort. 
It was like this. 

497
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,200
Easy to get to go faster. 
Not at all, it sounds like. 

498
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,440
Yeah, and I think the point you 
made about maybe the rocker not 

499
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,800
hitting your MTPS correctly, I 
think that's probably also a 

500
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,960
factor. 
I don't know about your feet, 

501
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,960
but looking at my foot toe 
length compared to foot length, 

502
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,440
I basically have short toes and 
often if a shoe has a very early

503
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,520
forefoot rocker like the ASICS 
Magic Speed that shoe, it just 

504
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,040
feels like I don't have an 
opportunity to even load my foot

505
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,560
before that forefoot rocker 
pushes me into push off. 

506
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,760
And I recently testing the Ultra
Vanish carbon to that Forefoot 

507
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Rocker starts early and there's 
a flex groove that lines up like

508
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,720
an inch behind my first MTP. 
And when I run slowly in that 

509
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,720
shoe, I get a lot of pain in my 
medial, longitudinal arch, 

510
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,200
because basically the shoes 
trying to flex where my foot 

511
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,840
doesn't flex. 
So it. 

512
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,200
And the only way to know if a 
shoes rocker lines up with your 

513
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,760
foot is to go try it on and 
actually run in it. 

514
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,280
But that's something that people
should consider when they try on

515
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,120
shoes and think about which one 
to buy. 

516
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,040
So it's interesting you bring 
that up because I have the 

517
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,880
opposite where I have fairly 
long toes and my MTP joint is 

518
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,520
kind of a little bit farther 
back relative because I've got 

519
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,760
This is going to sound weird 
having being APT gun to see a 

520
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,160
lot of people's feet and toes 
go. 

521
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,440
Oh that's interesting. 
Kind of looking at how that that

522
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,560
varies. 
So my all my digits like fingers

523
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,160
and toes are on the longer side.
I don't know if that helped me 

524
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,640
be a musician beforehand. 
I played violin and piano. 

525
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,440
I don't know if that was 
helpful, but I tend to work 

526
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,440
really well when the the rocker 
is a little bit longer, so if I 

527
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,560
can get that to start earlier 
I'd do better. 

528
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,160
Some of the shoes with like that
really late rocker I really 

529
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,480
struggle with. 
Like the shoe that comes to mind

530
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,120
immediately was the original 
Adidas Adios Pro where it had 

531
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:39,720
that really late 4 foot rocker 
and that shoe and I just did not

532
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,920
get along. 
Which was very disappointing 

533
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,200
because that was one of the 
shoes that the whole team will 

534
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,480
make fun of me that I went and 
bought on eBay for like way too 

535
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760
much money and terrible. 
But that's a different story, 

536
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760
So. 
And yet, have you learned your 

537
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000
lesson about buying shoes on 
eBay I. 

538
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,480
Feel like for the most part, 
yes, but still not quite. 

539
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,080
So we'll this, that's that's 
another whole episode. 

540
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,040
Yeah. 
And you're still evolving, It's.

541
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Still evolving. 
It's getting better. 

542
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,160
But yeah, so I wonder if like 
again our ability to trend, 

543
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,360
there's a lot of different 
components. 

544
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,240
So like toe length, MTP joint 
position relative to the start 

545
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,560
of not just where the rocker is 
but something we we have a hard 

546
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,880
time single that you could, I 
guess you could guess, we don't 

547
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,000
know how accurate it says the 
curve of the plate because the 

548
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,520
stiff this is coming into really
big play whereas I don't, I do 

549
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,880
notice this is stiff. 
I don't get as much of that 

550
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,400
like, Oh my gosh, this is really
stiff, snappy show. 

551
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,800
I'm like that's a little stiff. 
It's kind of what of expecting 

552
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,040
is that, what do you think? 
Did you have that same 

553
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,560
experience in terms of the 
stiffness? 

554
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,400
And then what do you think were 
some other components that 

555
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,320
contributed to you having your 
experience in there in terms of 

556
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,360
the soul? 
I think that, well, I absolutely

557
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,280
agree. 
The issue just overall felt 

558
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,080
stiff to me. 
There was no sensation of 

559
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,800
bending or compression anywhere.
It was like land and go. 

560
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,120
So of course that's going to 
lend itself to being better at 

561
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,480
faster paces, because if you're 
running slower, you do, and 

562
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,200
running slower for longer, you 
do typically need a little bit 

563
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320
more compliance cushioning in 
the shoe. 

564
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Just a feeling of give, and for 
me, the Endorphin Pro 4 has 

565
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,280
almost no feeling of give. 
You can definitely feel the high

566
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,200
stack height, it's very 
protective, but there's no for 

567
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,080
me, there's no softness in it 
and that wasn't a bad thing. 

568
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,960
I loved running fast in the 
shoe. 

569
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Like I said, I think it's a 
great 5K10K racer. 

570
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Then I really wanted to make the
Saucony Sinister work for me, 

571
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920
but that shoe fits so snug I 
couldn't even walk in it. 

572
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:45,000
So I think, I think the 
combination of the firmness, the

573
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,400
early rocker, but an early 
rocker that actually lines up 

574
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,280
with my Mt PS because of the 
set, the length of the shoe, the

575
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,120
firmer HG foam. 
And actually one thing that I 

576
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,120
think made the shoe particularly
comfortable for me is you can 

577
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,400
see that the the midfoot widens 
laterally and that's exactly 

578
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,720
where I land. 
Like I basically land here. 

579
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,760
So this shoe is super 
comfortable for my landing 

580
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:20,120
pattern. 
I have the Pro 3 here and this 

581
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,320
shoe was great for me. 
I raced a marathon in AI, raced 

582
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,680
A10 mile race in AI, Think I 
have like 200 miles on this 

583
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,720
shoe. 
But I don't know if you can see 

584
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,320
in the video but you can see I 
actually ripped the Saucony 

585
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,160
overlay because even though I 
really liked this shoe, I felt 

586
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,160
like there wasn't enough give 
where I landed and I think just 

587
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,360
repetitively over time I broke 
that overlay. 

588
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,640
I broke it on both the right and
the left shoe. 

589
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,640
So I think the Pro 4 is an 
improvement because they widened

590
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,400
it a little bit more at the 
lateral mid foot and it just it 

591
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640
works really well with my 
landing pattern. 

592
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,920
So I land, and then the rocker. 
The firm foam just shoots me 

593
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,160
into push off, and the faster I 
ran the better it felt. 

594
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,640
I'm not surprised though that we
both had that sensation of 

595
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,280
firmness because to be honest, 
and I think this is fairly well 

596
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,640
known, hopefully at this point, 
that the material underneath 

597
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,000
your foot is one of the biggest,
like, impacts of how you 

598
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,160
perceive comfort in a shoe. 
Like that top layer can, even if

599
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,600
you have something completely 
different underneath, can really

600
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,880
influence, oh, this is how this 
shoe feels. 

601
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,760
It's just interesting that you 
perceive that as like, oh, this 

602
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
feels faster snapper. 
I know some things and I feel I 

603
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800
perceive it as, hey, I can't get
as much of that like 

604
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,040
compression, like like 
resilience, like compression 

605
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,120
bounce out of the shoe even 
though I knew it was compressing

606
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,840
a lot underneath my foot. 
So again, example of same thing,

607
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,680
two different responses, even 
though technically like you've 

608
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,360
got a similar setup of the soul.
Yeah, that's a really good point

609
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,520
about just the feel of the film 
Under your foot. 

610
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920
And I've got a really great 
cycling anecdote about that. 

611
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,680
I use a particular brand of 
cycling shoes, Bon Trigger. 

612
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720
They fit me well. 
So I have a road version and a 

613
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,280
mountain version. 
I had the road version first, 

614
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,800
got the mountain version, took 
the mountain version out for a 

615
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320
ride, and I was like, what is up
with these shoes? 

616
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,720
They feel bouncy and cycling 
shoes aren't supposed to feel 

617
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,160
bouncy, they're supposed to be 
stiff and they basically are 

618
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,360
meant to transfer power to the 
pedals. 

619
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,440
So I got back from my ride and 
I, you know, I'm checking out 

620
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,200
both shoes. 
I mean the only difference is 1 

621
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,440
is designed for two hole cleats,
the other is designed for three 

622
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,880
and the outsole's a little 
different. 

623
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,400
So I was like, what could it be?
So I pulled the sock liner out 

624
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,600
and I put the mountain one in, 
the road one and I got on. 

625
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,160
My trainer had the same bouncy 
feeling and it was basically the

626
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160
sock liner and the mountain one 
that felt bouncier to me was 

627
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:02,080
about 2mm thicker and a little 
bit just you could feel that it 

628
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,040
had a little bit more Brazilians
to it. 

629
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,240
So literally just that sock 
liner changed the whole feel of 

630
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680
a shoe for me. 
That's kind of why we warn 

631
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
people like we're not telling 
you not to do this but if you 

632
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,960
switch out the stock insoles of 
some of these legitimate running

633
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,000
shoes like if it's like you know
you're like $4050 shoe you know 

634
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,760
at at at you know your outlet 
store. 

635
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,640
I I'm not judging you but like 
when you get these like 

636
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,320
high-powered 200 plus dollar 
shoes that have the insole the 

637
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,160
insoles are designed to be to 
work with the shoe. 

638
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,280
It's not like this throwaway 
thing that's why half of them 

639
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,320
are not removable. 
But if you go and take that out 

640
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,680
you're going to be take changing
the entire way that shoe is 

641
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,160
designed. 
So when you ask oh can I put an 

642
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,360
insole in this show, you'll be 
like, I'm really hesitating to 

643
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,760
tell you that because a are like
let's use a correct term if 

644
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,800
you're because most people are 
going to ask to put an orthotic 

645
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,440
in there. 
They're not looking to to to 

646
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,240
replace the insole. 
They're looking to put an 

647
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,720
orthotic. 
You're asking some another 

648
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200
stiffening agent with a stiff 
carbon plate that is going to 

649
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,840
totally change the shoe. 
We we have no idea how that's 

650
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,000
going to affect the shoe and 
some people go through the 

651
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,639
effort to yank out a gluten 
midsole or insole to do this. 

652
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,159
Like, you got to be careful 
because I'm not telling you not 

653
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,880
to, but you have no idea how 
that's going to impact the ride 

654
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,239
and the mechanics of the shoes. 
So just be a little cautious 

655
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,600
with this because that's not how
these shoes were designed. 

656
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,120
I can't think of, I don't is 
there any shoe that you could 

657
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,719
think of like, because the only 
super shoe that I really know 

658
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,320
that has like an easily 
removable insole is the SC Elite

659
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Four. 
And New Balance is usually 

660
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,280
pretty good about being able to 
take orthotics. 

661
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,760
But I just, I don't know about 
like their carbon shoe. 

662
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Are there any of the other super
shoes that have a removable 

663
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,440
insole that you can think of? 
Nikes, don't. 

664
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,560
The endorphin elite does not. 
No. 

665
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Well, the Ultra Vanish Carbon 2 
does because I was looking at 

666
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,719
that this morning. 
I don't know about the Adidas 

667
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,680
ones. 
Do the ASICS Meta Speed Sky and 

668
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,080
Edge? 
I don't. 

669
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Think so, the Adidas. 
I can't tell if mine are just 

670
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400
old and they can come out but 
they're they're I able. 

671
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,880
I'm able to pull them out for 
the for the Adidas, no the a six

672
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,240
they are. 
Those are well glued in there. 

673
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,240
And then what about cloud? 
Boom E3. 

674
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,760
Oh, those are very removable. 
That's interesting. 

675
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,280
I thought they were. 
Yeah, that's interesting. 

676
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,240
They're glued up a little 
higher, but they are. 

677
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,640
You could pull that out very 
easily. 

678
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,680
That's not hard. 
And the Mizuno Wave Rebellion 

679
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Pro, I don't think is the one or
the two. 

680
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,440
No, Yeah, that's glued in there 
really, really well. 

681
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,120
And then the Salomon, SLAF, 
Fanta, yeah, definitely. 

682
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,280
Yeah, I could pull it out, but 
it's definitely, it's glued in. 

683
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,120
So very, very well. 
The. 

684
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,800
New Balance SC Elite 3, even 
though it's glued in. 

685
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Is easily. 
Removable. 

686
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,880
Yeah. 
I think we've done a good job of

687
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,520
covering how our opinions 
greatly differ on performance, 

688
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,800
but you and I actually disagreed
on stability of the endorphin 

689
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,280
profile. 
Yes, we did, yes. 

690
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,320
So why don't you go first on 
this? 

691
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,040
So because I found it to have 
such an aggressive and 

692
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,720
propulsive ride, I really said 
that this is a very much neutral

693
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,880
shoe. 
I really didn't feel any 

694
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,560
guidance elements in the shoe 
besides just how aggressive the 

695
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,320
four foot rocker is in 
combination with the firm 

696
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,560
midsole, the firm overall 
platform. 

697
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,840
Because it feels like as soon as
I land, it just shoots me 

698
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,280
forward. 
And to push off, I didn't really

699
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,480
experience any like medial 
lateral stabilizing elements, 

700
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,080
but of course, because of where 
I land, I'm less likely to 

701
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,800
experience some of those 
stabilizing elements as compared

702
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,480
to someone who lands further 
back. 

703
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,880
So what did you feel in the 
shoe? 

704
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,640
So I actually felt like this was
much more stable than prior 

705
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,480
versions and probably one of the
more stable super shoes out 

706
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,400
there. 
Again, not a stability shoe. 

707
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Definitely not even I would, I 
don't even know, you know, 

708
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280
stable neutrals, kind of. 
I want to be careful with how I 

709
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,160
use that term, but I noticed 
immediately the sidewalls were 

710
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,080
fairly significant, especially 
in the mid foot. 

711
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440
There's also a four foot 
sidewall that I noticed 

712
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,880
immediately and that actually 
worked very well with me, Didn't

713
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,120
help me run faster, but it made 
me feel very comfortable taking 

714
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,160
this for a long run. 
The midsole, if you look at the 

715
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120
outsole, if you look at where 
the midfoot is, that the inner 

716
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,400
part of the midfoot is filled 
in, which Saucony has actually 

717
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,640
done super well. 
And that's something that can 

718
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,120
really make or break a shoe for 
me. 

719
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,440
If if this thing is really cut 
out and it's not stabilized 

720
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160
well, it's that will wreck a 
ride for me. 

721
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,800
But this being filled in does a 
great job. 

722
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,880
So I wouldn't say it feels like 
things are necessarily pushing 

723
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,800
into my arch, but I definitely 
know something. 

724
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Wow, this is pretty like 
relatively stable for me. 

725
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Again, the big test is when I 
take these for a long run, how 

726
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,480
does that feel? 
And it felt great. 

727
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,080
I didn't feel trash like I was 
like struggling to find 

728
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,640
stability. 
So I actually the opposite 

729
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,440
experience where again because 
I'm a pretty heavy heel striker 

730
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,200
rolling through that felt very, 
very centered. 

731
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,680
Again, without being a true 
stability shoe, just the methods

732
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,480
that were used were actually 
fairly good, especially in the 

733
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,520
in the midfoot and medial 
forefoot heel was fairly normal.

734
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,520
There is some soul flare. 
I just, I was. 

735
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,480
I didn't feel like the heel was 
that big of a thing, but it was 

736
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,080
the midfoot, especially in that 
medial forefoot, that was very 

737
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,840
noticeable to me in a very 
positive way. 

738
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,920
Yeah, that's interesting. 
I'm normally really sensitive to

739
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,000
side walls, especially in the 
forefoot, and I didn't notice 

740
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,840
them at all. 
And part of that could be just 

741
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,920
how the shoe fits if it's long 
and there's plenty of volume. 

742
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,800
So maybe I just the shoe didn't 
compress my foot enough for me 

743
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440
to be bothered by the side 
walls, but. 

744
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Did you find the endorphin elite
to be stable? 

745
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Yes, yeah. 
Wider. 

746
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Platform. 
Yeah, wide platform. 

747
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,280
The like from like the heel all 
the way into the four, like, 

748
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,400
definitely heel into midfoot. 
The side walls are pretty solid,

749
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,040
but the wide platform especially
is what did it for me. 

750
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,560
The Endorphin Pro 4 felt 
different 'cause it really it 

751
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840
felt like this. 
The Endorphin Elite feels like 

752
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,600
heel to midfoot. 
This one feels like midfoot to 

753
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,360
forefoot. 
That felt relatively stable, so 

754
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040
kind of opposites in that realm.
Yeah, it's been a while since 

755
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,440
I've run in the endorphin elite,
but I do recall being aware of 

756
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,920
the medial mid foot sidewall. 
Not in a bad way, but it's just 

757
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,120
there. 
But the wider base of that shoe 

758
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,560
makes it significantly more 
stable than most super shoes 

759
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,920
that I've run in. 
So it sounds like like we said 

760
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,840
fit fairly similar, like little 
higher volume had a really cinch

761
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,480
down laces. 
But when we got to the ride and 

762
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,720
stability of the shoe, that's 
where things really kind of 

763
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,480
switched. 
And that's what's so 

764
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
interesting. 
Again, wanting people to realize

765
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,880
that people can have very 
different experiences in the 

766
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,560
same shoe. 
This is exactly why we have 

767
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,200
multiple testers because each 
person is going to react. 

768
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,080
And again, I'm going to say this
out loud. 

769
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Normally I'm on the sidelines 
where it's Andrea and BJ going 

770
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,760
back and the opposite. 
Experience Now it was it was my 

771
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,360
turn to actually get in on this 
and have the the opposite 

772
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,760
experience. 
So this is our one of our first 

773
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,360
Different Opinions podcast 
YouTube. 

774
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680
We're going to test this out and
see how how it goes. 

775
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,360
But I hope that was helpful 
because along the long this what

776
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,280
we want you to get from this is 
going hey here's kind of why we 

777
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,080
had this different experience 
and hopefully some of the things

778
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,240
you could pick outgoing all 
right is the is the plate and 

779
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,640
the rocker lining up with my 
first MTP joint get again get 

780
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
those big toe joints. 
Like is that lining up is it a 

781
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
head is it back. 
Do I like a longer rocker, a 

782
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,440
shorter rocker or do I like 
where you may not be able to see

783
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,880
it. 
Like do I like a stiffer plate. 

784
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,920
Do I like a non stiffer plate? 
All these things are going to 

785
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,480
come into count, right? 
Do I do I like sidewalls like I 

786
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,520
typically do really well with 
them. 

787
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,400
I know, Andrew, sometimes you're
a little sensitive to them. 

788
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,800
They can kind of like irritate 
that. 

789
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,080
Correct me if I'm wrong, Like if
they're too aggressive, they can

790
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,360
irritate your midfoot. 
We have the opposite experience 

791
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,040
of those. 
So what we want you to get from 

792
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,880
this is that, like I said, 
different people are different. 

793
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,800
We want you to find the person 
that's most similar to you, but 

794
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,320
either if it's on our team or 
somebody else, it really doesn't

795
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,760
matter. 
We want you to find what's best 

796
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,000
for you because that's our whole
purpose is if you're not going 

797
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,160
to, if we don't have reviewers 
that are similar to you, at 

798
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,080
least hopefully you can learn 
something that helps you make 

799
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,440
better decisions about what 
works better for your foot. 

800
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,240
Andrew, is there anything else I
miss in terms of like factors 

801
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,440
that you might want to consider?
We've talked about fit and foot 

802
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
volume and stuff like that 
before, but anything from like 

803
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,840
ride and stability that you 
would add in that might be worth

804
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,640
paying attention to, to learn 
from this. 

805
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Yeah, I think you're covered 
most of them. 

806
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
But of course, like your landing
pattern, I think that's a big 

807
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,920
one. 
Runner weight does play a little

808
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,720
bit of a role in how someone 
interacts with a shoe, but I 

809
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,560
don't think our weights are that
dissimilar that we're loading 

810
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,360
the shoes significantly 
differently. 

811
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,200
But I I liked your point, like 
it's important to find somebody 

812
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,440
who tends to like the same shoes
as you. 

813
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,400
Sounds like they have the same 
issues as you and that's, you 

814
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,160
know, that's why we do this, to 
help you make better decisions. 

815
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,000
We realize that the vast 
majority of people don't get 

816
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,320
many, many shoes sent to their 
doors every week. 

817
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,400
So we want to help you be the 
most efficient at making shoe 

818
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,200
decisions. 
So when you buy one, it's more 

819
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,760
likely to help to work for you 
as opposed to you buying one and

820
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,160
then needing to return it. 
And what if you can't return it?

821
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,240
So the more you understand your 
own characteristics and then be 

822
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,480
able to recognize those 
characteristics in a shoe 

823
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,160
reviewer that you trust, then 
that's just going to help you be

824
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,320
a better shoe buyer in the 
future. 

825
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,560
But that also takes an OK, you 
have to be how this how can I 

826
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,400
put this not in a negative way. 
You. 

827
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,200
You have to be responsible for 
yourself and you may find that 

828
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,600
there is no reviewer that 
perfectly matches you and that's

829
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,520
part of this processes. 
There's never going to be a 

830
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,960
perfect shoe. 
I I started this journey, this 

831
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,360
whole website looking for a 
perfect shoe and I still haven't

832
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,800
found one that doesn't exist. 
It's about learning K who am I? 

833
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,440
How it what's my body like right
now which can change and what's 

834
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
going to work best for me at 
this moment. 

835
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,320
And that's a continual journey 
that will evolve. 

836
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,280
So don't get frustrated if that 
changes. 

837
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,000
That's just part of the things 
you have to adapt. 

838
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Like, I know a lot of people who
love, like, I found this one 

839
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680
shoe and I'll buy like 8 
versions of it or like the 88 

840
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,000
pairs of it and all of a sudden 
like four of them and you're 

841
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,200
like, why does this shoot not 
feel the same? 

842
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,760
It's like because you changed 
and you have a dynamic changing 

843
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,720
body that will do all kinds of 
things as you age and you change

844
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,320
throughout your life. 
So you have to realize that what

845
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,640
you need and what matches you 
also might change. 

846
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,560
And that's OK. 
I know that that kind of be 

847
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,120
frustrating, but we're hoping 
along this path we can provide 

848
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,400
some guidance in education to 
help you figure out what works 

849
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,360
for you as an individual. 
So hope that was helpful. 

850
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,320
I think we might do more of 
these so we could find shoes 

851
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,440
really disagree on to help teach
people how do you find those 

852
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,840
individual mechanic individual 
things for yourself because not 

853
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,200
to to To go slightly off topic, 
if you look at the current 

854
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,480
evidence for fitting shoes, it's
not really based on bio 

855
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,320
mechanics because we felt those 
biomechanical models had too 

856
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,440
many additional variables that 
weren't really matching the way 

857
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,360
we thought. 
And so the current thing is 

858
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,800
based off of comfort right? 
The comfort the preferred the 

859
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,360
comfort paradigm and preferred 
movement paradigm both from Ben 

860
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,720
O'negas kind of influenced a 
couple things like the run cat 

861
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,520
which I'm going to make this 
joke again even though you know 

862
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,200
it's going to be a joke is where
you take a cat and you put on 

863
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,720
the treadmill and see which shoe
choose. 

864
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,920
Sorry that did a lot better. 
One of my lectures for 

865
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,520
University of Colorado they they
it was the setup was better but 

866
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,360
the Run Cat is the running 
running comfort assessment tool 

867
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,800
from some really awesome people 
in Australia that has they 

868
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200
distilled it down to five 
factors that for you as an 

869
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,840
individual what it what shoe 
feels the best in terms of four 

870
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,680
foot cushioning which again 
firmer or softer is not good. 

871
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,040
It's what feels best for you. 
Heel cushioning same thing 

872
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:02,760
applies 4 foot transition or 
flexibility stability meaning 

873
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,440
rigid or too too unstable is not
good. 

874
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,000
It's finding just right for you.
And then overall upper fit was 

875
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,720
kind of one of the final things 
and that's going to be very 

876
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,280
personable and personal and 
guess what so shoe fit. 

877
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,040
So we hope you recognize that. 
Again we're very different. 

878
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,040
We recognize that we have 
different reviews. 

879
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,880
Hopefully you can find somebody 
that matches best for you and 

880
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,960
learn more about yourself in the
process. 

881
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Andrew, any last thoughts on 
that? 

882
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,080
One last thought. 
We're talking about shears here,

883
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,680
but understanding yourself and 
knowing what your body needs is 

884
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,640
an important thing as an 
athlete. 

885
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,760
Not just in relation to shears, 
but in a lot of things. 

886
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,840
And the better you understand 
what's normal for you and what's

887
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,760
abnormal, the better you can 
communicate it to people who can

888
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,920
help you, like physical 
therapists or doctors. 

889
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,400
So stand up for yourself, Know 
yourself. 

890
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,960
And if something doesn't feel 
right, go talk to somebody who 

891
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,960
will listen to you and take you 
seriously. 

892
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,560
And if they don't, go find 
somebody who will. 

893
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,120
Go find somebody else. 
You deserve better. 

894
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,280
OK, so that's our first 
Differing Opinions Podcast 

895
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,280
YouTube episode. 
We'll see how this goes. 

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If people like it, we'll do some
more of this stuff. 

897
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Because right now we're just 
bringing out like basically our 

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our our Facebook Messenger 
conversations and getting them 

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out into the public. 
So people really like this. 

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We'll keep doing this because 
again, if we can do something 

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that's helpful for you, we 
definitely will. 

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As always, you can find us on 
all the different social media 

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sites, Instagram obviously this 
is going to be on YouTube, might

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be on Spotify podcast stuff 
depending on how it does. 

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You can find us on LinkedIn and 
various places. 

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I got to give a shout out. 
Running Warehouse has been 

907
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really nice to us and is 
actually put up a page for each 

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one of us about some of our not 
our favorite shoes but our 

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favorite gear. 
So if you're interested in some 

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of the apparel that we like or 
some of the nutrition that we 

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like, you can find this page. 
Bach is going to put this stuff 

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in the in the comments below so 
you can take a look at this. 

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I'm not exactly sure where to 
find it, but Bach has the link. 

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Yeah. 
So you know, if you want to find

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like our favorite like gel and 
nutrition stuff or if you want 

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to be like being put Scratch 
Labs coffee mix in your coffee 

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and double up, you can do that 
too and be captained for a week.

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It'll work. 
Really. 

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Really, as well, as always, 
really appreciate you listening 

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and hope this stuff is helpful. 
Please always leave a review for

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us even on the podcast or leave 
a comment below and let us know 

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what we think. 
Because what you think is just 

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valuable. 
Because we are learning just as 

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much as you and we appreciate 
any feedback because then we get

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to learn along with you.