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Hey everyone, and welcome to the
Doctors Running podcast where 

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we, a group of doctors of 
physical therapy, talk about the

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art and the science of the 
things we put on our feet today.

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It is myself and Doctor David 
Celeste on the podcast and we 

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are going to have a marathon 
shoe discussion just because the

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fall marathon season is coming 
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It is currently late August, 
getting ready to become 

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September, remember here very, 
very quickly. 

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And I know that because I start 
the school year tomorrow, which 

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is going to be really, really 
interesting. 

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But a lot of people are gearing 
up for marathons. 

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And so right about now, you 
should be thinking about making 

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a decision about what kind of 
shoe to put on your feet as 

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opposed to waiting for the week 
beforehand with when who knows 

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what can happen. 
So we're going to have a 

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discussion about that, talk 
about how we are going to 

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attempt to stratify this and 
help to think about the 

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individual runner, because each 
runner is going to be totally 

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different. 
There's going to be a lot of 

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variation in that. 
But before we do that, of 

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course, we're going to talk 
about the shoes that we are 

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couldn't currently have on our 
feet and are currently testing. 

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use it again. 
And that's unfortunate. 

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buying more stuff. 
And I'm going to say this again 

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as they got made fun of it this 
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that the prototype watermelon 
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This is not part of this, but 
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on product, they throw that in 
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And I've done this now three 
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it because I realized as I've 
gotten older and I'm pushing a 

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60 LB stroller that I need to 
hydrate quite extensively 

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throughout the day. 
And I'm surprised, feel a lot 

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better while I'm running when I 
do that. 

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So we like scratch labs because 
they tend to have very natural 

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stuff, sits well in the 
stomachs, and there's some 

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really great science behind what
they're doing. 

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But let's move on. 
David, what shoes do you have on

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your feet and what are you 
testing right now? 

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Yeah. 
So just wrote the written review

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today for the Rabbit High 
Country. 

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So that is a trail shoe, the 
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second shoe that they've made. 
I've got mixed feelings about 

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it. 
I like it, but I also there's 

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things that I think could be 
better. 

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This is not a review on the shoe
currently, but I will say from a

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structure and like a stability 
standpoint, the shoe does feel 

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really secure. 
The traction was suprisingly 

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good. 
The upper I thought could be 

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more comfortable, but it did 
hold your foot in place and then

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like, you know, the they had the
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with a little bit of traction. 
I was a little nervous about 

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getting hot spots on it. 
I know we tried some like way 

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back when, when they were first 
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This one's actually better than 
the one that we tried and I 

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actually did feel like it held 
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I like I felt like I could trust
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So like from a security 
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actually were really good. 
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beveled a little bit more felt a
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midfoot. 
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forefoot, a little bit of weight
to it, kind of a resilient 

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bounce to it, not not a huge 
one, just kind of a nice 

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rhythmic compliance to it. 
So I feel like and it this is 

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issues meant for kind of more 
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When they did their whole like 
promotional launch thing, they 

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ran it rim to rim. 
I could see this being that kind

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of being the type of effort 
where this falls where you're 

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just going to be out there all 
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little bit of running and 
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You're not running very fast, 
you know, like I feel like the 

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shoe actually is pretty good. 
I just think there's a couple of

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things they could clean up, but 
written review just it should be

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dropping by the time this airs. 
And then coming up for next 

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week. 
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trail boy this week, I guess, 
but we've got a couple of ultra 

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shoes on the docket, so we'll be
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These are fresh and clean, not 
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held up. 
So we'll have some first 

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impressions on those potentially
too in the next couple days. 

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That's the Olympus 275 and the 
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Wild. 
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Sweet. 
All right, so I've got one that 

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I've been testing for a while. 
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although I think Nathan got 
reviews. 

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I've got the Mega ASICS Mega 
Blast here. 

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I'm really enjoying. 
I have almost 100 miles on my 

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pair, so I'll definitely do at 
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Whether I'll contribute to the 
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But I will say this is my left 
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think it's 85 miles. 
I'm out right now. 

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It's still intact. 
So so far so good. 

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Definitely kind of like what I 
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blast to actually lighter. 
It's not it's not flexible, but 

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it's just as it's broken in just
a teensy bit where it doesn't 

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feel overly stiff and the ATPU 
foam, the flight foam blast 

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turbo flight foam blast turbo 
squared is much better now that 

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it's broken in. 
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Think it's just turbo squared. 
Flight. 

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You're right, it's flight foam 
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My bad, because it's not the 
blast squared. 

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Blast series, yeah. 
Or well, not the blast Max. 

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How do you how do you pronounce 
my favorite shoe? 

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Am I going to screw this out? 
Kayano, Did I get that? 

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Kayano. 
Close enough, right? 

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Anyway, Peter, I'm thinking 
about you. 

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The the, it's the, the foam took
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I'm like, this doesn't feel 
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And I actually had the exact 
same experience with the new 

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meta speed Tokyo's where I was 
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like weirdly firm. 
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And then give it like 30-40 
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see now it's got some bounce. 
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softening a little bit and I'm 
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I'm really enjoying these. 
And so it's been a great shoe, 

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and this might show up a little 
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The other shoe that I just 
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is a Buzuno Wave Sky 9, which 
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For those listening on audio, 
Isabella is putting all kinds of

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toys in the shoes, including I 
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little plastic chicken. 
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But yeah, the Wave Sky 9 is 
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cushioning ton of it. 
It's more responsive shoe than I

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feel like soft, which I really, 
really like because it makes it 

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feel lighter than its massive 
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The uppers really snug though. 
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to get used to at the moment. 
So breaking that in, we'll 

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hopefully have a review and the 
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a review up this week. 
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out, is the Tokumi Sen 9 Sorry 
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I'm thinking about the Audios 9,
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written a review of. 
I'm really enjoying this shoe. 

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I haven't worn a super shoe for 
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irritated my Achilles tendon and
I put this on for a very short 

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tempo run the other day and 
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there's no real heel counter 
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nice simple shoe. 
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it feels more super, but it's 
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crazy. 
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It's more of a moderate stack at
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It's definitely not low to the 
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how they set up the new light 
strike pro and yeah, considering

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even racing in it and 
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more miles on it while I ease 
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make sure we have my Achilles 
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But that's what's on our feet. 
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actually that showed up, but I 
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So that's A to be determined 
because we're not actually on my

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feet. 
So anyway, ready to talk about 

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marathon shoes? 
Almost. 

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I will give a shout out the 
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Not on my feet, but on. 
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This is actually a really nice 
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But the Cielli short sleeve, I 
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but they had sent one previously
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It's one of their running tops 
and it's becoming like maybe my 

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favorite running shirt. 
I've been wearing it quite a bit

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when I go out running that and 
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there. 
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top. 
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material is called, but the, you
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the bright colors. 
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I do like that one. 
I was running in the trails with

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that today and I feel like it 
does Wick the moisture really 

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well and it doesn't get 
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So I, I was pretty sweaty and it
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That's a big deal. 
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this yellow one does the same 
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get really sweaty for that thing
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So just a couple shout outs for 
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But yeah, now I am ready. 
Let's do it. 

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All right, so let's talk about 
marathon shoes and how to choose

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a marathon shoe. 
This is very different. 

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And so Dave and I, just to give 
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run a couple marathons. 
You, what is your marathon P 

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What's your range of marathons 

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that you've run in terms of 
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Pace wise 5. 
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2533, yeah. 
Finish time. 

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From 225 up to that one time I 
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I think it was like a 245. 
Got it, got it. 

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I've run a couple, I've pay. 
I paced. 

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My first marathon was actually 
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at Cam so I ran 244 on the dot 
to qualify for the then stand to

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help people qualify for the then
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The second one I ran was against
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me up at La and I ran 232. 
The third, what I run, I ran 235

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and was not prepared and that 
was horrible, but I survived and

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didn't die after finishing all 
my finals for my pH for semester

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PhD the night before. 
So we've got a, we've got a 

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little range, but we've also got
testers on our team that we're 

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thinking about also. 
They go up into the three hour 

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and above range. 
We've got a variety of people 

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finish at a variety of times. 
We're thinking not just about 

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ourselves, although we're going 
to present some shoes that if we

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were putting ourselves in 
different places, how what shoes

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we would choose. 
But we've had a good number of 

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marathons under our belt. 
I can't say I necessarily want 

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to do another one, but that 
might change in a bit as I much 

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more enjoy the 5K10K and 
occasional half marathon of the 

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last one I did. 
I thought I was going to die, 

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but that might because I was 
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So maybe post stroller we'll 
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But so the marathon is a very 
different beast than choosing a 

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shoe for a 5K, right? 
A 5K it's going to be over it 

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for if anywhere for most people.
Like even at the fast send 14 

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minutes for the out. 
You know, most people once 

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you're like illegally going up 
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it's going to be over. 
That's compared to the marathon,

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which even if you are the 
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still going to take you 2 hours.
If you're really quick, it's 

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going to be 2:30 to 3:00-ish. 
You're starting to get more into

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the where most people are in the
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People are going to be out there
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long period of time. 
So David, before we jump into 

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some of the categories and going
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talk about when you think a 
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So a lot can go wrong. 
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the thing that goes wrong. 
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assuming the laces don't come 
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happens, you know? 
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and it's something you trust, I 
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comfortable going long in. 
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have to be a super shoe, right? 
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you know, But yeah, something 
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you can get going, you can turn 
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If not three or if not 3 or 4 
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a rhythm because this isn't the 
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So I think tried, true, trusted,
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unless you know your body and 
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shoe. 
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to work, you know, and then I 
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of going, how do you know if a 
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gotten a lot of mail recently, 
which if you emailed us and we 

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responded, appreciate the 
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If we haven't responded, know 
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we are trying to get to as many 
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there was an e-mail about the 
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going, hey, I haven't tried this
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distance? 
In the response was you gotta 

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take this out. 
In my opinion, and you can agree

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or disagree with me, David, 
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one, at least one long run in 
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and probably as much as you 
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Or a long run workout. 
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combination, just to know, can 
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longer distances, some kind of 
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What does it do at the speeds 
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Now, I think a lot of elite 
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pair of the shoe they've been 
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the shoe like they know the 
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I know it does happen that 
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never worn before and everything
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the day, it's a risk, right? 
There's a risk, this benefit 

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ratio that you have to choose 
and if we're going to talk about

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finishing that race and because 
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matter how fast you run, the 
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So generally you want something 
you've got some experience with.

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And David gave her an example. 
You're like, I got it, It's 

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within the month, but you're 
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I got a workout in and I could, 
I know now that I put it through

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the test that my body can handle
this and I'm willing to take the

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next step of going, let's use 
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So you do need experience with 
the show. 

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We highly suggest you that the 
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or long run workout beforehand. 
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your time increases. 
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33456 hour, you absolutely need 
to pick a shoe that you are 

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comfortable in for that long 
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be out there for a very, very 
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This is a less of a conversation
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It's time on feet and I will 
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there, I would not want to have 
on my feet for multiple, 

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multiple hours. 
It's just they're not 

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comfortable enough right now. 
If you're talking about a really

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fast effort, that might be a 
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and going, hey, just just so you
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to take away from this is you 
don't have to choose a super 

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shoe for any for every single 
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Different people have different 
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We're going to make some 
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mentioned this, right? 
They're going to make some 

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comments about, you know, some 
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some faster times going keep 
maybe these are some of the 

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Super shoes you might want to 
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But there's lots of people in 
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really fast marathon times that 
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lightweight trainers. 
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Just like we're going to talk 
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spectrum, people doing the four 
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probably going to suggest you 
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a daily trainer that you do most
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But there are people out there 
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they comfortably run in a like 
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there's not something I would 
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that are doing that. 
So we're going to give you some 

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general advice based on the fact
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tested with certain paces in 
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The Vapor Fly was not really 
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marathoner in mind. 
It was tested going to 30 to 20 

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to 105K pace, all this kind of 
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And so that's where we're going.
It's kind of like using the tool

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as it was designed. 
You can certainly take it, do it

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for something else, but you got 
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Any thoughts on that, David? 
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racing shoes, when we look at 
design, I mean, yes, they got to

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sell shoes to the masses, but at
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them are going for performance, 
they're going for medals. 

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They want their shoe to be seen 
on their athletes. 

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When they do well, those 
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And I, I would argue a lot of 
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being designed, at least from a 
design standpoint, to go run for

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30 miles, for 26 miles, right? 
Like they're trying to go low 

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twos or under, you know, because
we're knocking on that doorstep.

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One of these days someone's 
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RIP. 
Kelvin kept him. 

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It seemed like he was going to 
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On a on a legal, on a legal 
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did it, but it wasn't a legal 
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for all the other stuff. 
All the factors. 

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Yeah, interchanging Pacers in 
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Like must be nice. 
But if they just like straight 

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up measured it and ran in like 
an actual race, I have a feeling

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I don't think the course would 
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just loops around that place. 
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But yeah, illegal conditions I 
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But yeah, I mean, when they 
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one, was that what they built 
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I think so, yeah. 
Now we're on Alpha Flight 3 and 

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Vapor Fly 4, right? 
So that she was designed to go 

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sub two then. 
And so they, they want these 

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shoes to go fast and that's what
the considerations and the 

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mechanics of those that 
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They don't run like you and I, 
That's not to say that you and I

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can't wear them right. 
But you just got to ask yourself

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if shoes work for your 
mechanics. 

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Are they comfortable? 
Are they battle tested? 

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But I will say from a design 
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fast. 
They're going to design them to 

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go fast. 
And they'll still do a myriad of

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tests across different ranges. 
They won't just be, you know, 

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super fast paces. 
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that I would like to touch on, 
and I know we'll touch on this 

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later just based on the topics 
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you feel and want. 
And what I mean by that is like,

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are you trying to go fast? 
Are you trying to go out there, 

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run APR, run as fast as you can 
and you're putting that effort 

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into it because that will change
your stride and your gait 

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pattern and the amount of force 
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The like time isn't the only 
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Like me running three hours will
look very different than someone

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else running three hours, and 
the time can be exactly the same

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and the footwear choice could be
wildly different. 

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And it's really just based on 
like the experience you want and

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do you trust the shoe? 
So we'll, we'll get into that 

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all that stuff. 
But yeah, did I go on too big of

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a rant there? 
I. 

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No, absolutely. 
I think that actually helps 

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because David and I were talking
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stratify this before recording 
this and experience is actually 

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really important thing to think 
about, right? 

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Like what are you looking for? 
Are you looking for APR? 

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Are you looking to get the most 
like, are you just trying to you

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just trying to barely survive 
getting out with that finish 

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line? 
Or are you looking to finish? 

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Are you, you know, are you just 
looking to have a good time? 

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Are you are you not really 
worried about time? 

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Are you worried about being able
to go out there And this is 

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great to be able to like, you 
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take a photo and like, you know,
all that kind of stuff that 

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there are different expectations
and things that people we're 

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going to want out of this. 
And that's kind of what we're 

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thinking because not every shoe 
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all three of those. 
And that's because that's not 

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what it's designed for, right? 
A You know Kayano. 

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Now just say it a little 
quicker. 

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Kayano is going to be designed 
for, you know those if you're 

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going to use that for a marathon
and it it you totally could. 

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That's not going to be your PR 
shoe. 

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It's going to be your I trust 
this. 

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I'm going to like take this out.
This is my really comfortable 

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long run shoe. 
I've done lots of miles in this 

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shoe. 
I trust it. 

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It's the shoe that I grab every 
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prepping for this. 
It's what I do a lot of my daily

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miles and I know this shoe, it's
comfortable. 

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I'm going to finish. 
OK, compared to your ASICS meta 

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speed sky which may be a 
completely different person. 

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Going I'm trying to run, I'm 
trying to maintain a cert like a

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fast pace for a certain amount 
of time. 

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I have stable enough mechanics 
to use this thing. 

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I can handle this. 
That's you know, and then I can 

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I grinded this thing out. 
I don't use it for all my runs. 

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I used for very specific runs 
where I'm really testing and 

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running really fast. 
It's different runners and but 

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that personal might also might 
be the same person. 

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It might be just depending on 
the experience that they want, 

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right? 
Nathan just ran 1/2 marathon 

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using the Super Blast 2. 
That makes total sense. 

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That is also a shoe that I 
would, although I'd probably use

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the Mega Blast now as I talked 
about earlier, but that's a shoe

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of like, I'm just going out 
there for a long run. 

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That's going to be my top 
choice. 

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It's comfortable. 
I'd used it for a ton of long 

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runs. 
I know what to expect from that 

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shoe. 
I know how it responds. 

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I know how it changes over some 
decent mileage both during a run

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and outside of a run. 
And so I trusted enough to go, 

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yes, this is going to get me 
through this and finish versus 

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if I theoretically was going to 
go try to run, you know, times 

446
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,480
that I had previously, although 
probably going to be pushing the

447
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,600
stroll at the same side, the 
same same effort, that was going

448
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,520
to look very, very different. 
So how would you stratify the 

449
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,840
different groups we're going to 
talk about? 

450
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,000
Yeah, I think it's probably 
easiest to start at the faster 

451
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,440
end. 
OK. 

452
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,280
I think if you're running sub 
three, you're put in, you're 

453
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,040
running fast enough, right? 
And if you're running sub three 

454
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,400
and you are way faster than 
that, then you're the outlier in

455
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,880
this. 
But most people running sub 

456
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,760
three are going to be putting 
effort into it. 

457
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,280
That's where you're going to 
most likely be looking into your

458
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,360
speedier shoes that have some 
stack and cushion and a rocker 

459
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,600
and all the things that you see 
in the Super shoes, right? 

460
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,120
Like that's one of the reasons 
why they've blown up as big as 

461
00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:04,840
they are. 
So I've got 3 shoes right here. 

462
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,040
Yeah, well, if I was to run a 
marathon tomorrow, shoot, I 

463
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,800
don't even know if I'd wear a 
super Shoot, right. 

464
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,000
Now, I would definitely not. 
I honestly, I'd wear the Mega 

465
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,080
Blast 'cause I had a long show 
out of shape this morning. 

466
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,960
And yeah, but that's a different
story. 

467
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,400
Assuming you are in shape though
indoors. 

468
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,480
Do you wanna start with the 
like, hey, if we literally had 

469
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,240
to rub one tomorrow, what would 
you wear? 

470
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,600
Like like. 
Tomorrow, tomorrow, and meeting 

471
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,640
tomorrow with my my given shape 
right now. 

472
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,080
Let's start with that. 
That's more fun. 

473
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:35,480
We'll do the fast stuff later. 
OK? 

474
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,280
If you had to finish a marathon 
tomorrow, what would you choose?

475
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,000
Just finish or am I going to try
and go quick? 

476
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,000
No, you're trying to finish. 
Just finish. 

477
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,040
You really you think you could 
go quick tomorrow? 

478
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:54,960
I mean quick being like 3 hours 
or a little under, What is that 

479
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,400
like low sevens, high sixes? 
OK, fine. 

480
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,440
Yeah, let's do that. 
Let's start in the middle first.

481
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,880
Yeah. 
So if you're just like. 

482
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,880
Just going easy, you know, like 
that would look different. 

483
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,040
Yes. 
OK. 

484
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,160
I'll just give you both right 
now probably. 

485
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,400
OK, no, just do one. 
Give me your top three if you're

486
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,880
if you have to run tomorrow, 
you're not trying, you're not 

487
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,160
jogging. 
You're still going to put a 

488
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960
little effort, but it's 
definitely not going to be your 

489
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,640
all out fastest. 
You've prepared for this effort.

490
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,600
Actually, this actually kind of 
lines up a little bit with what 

491
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:31,480
we were going to talk about. 
I've got 3 shoes potentially 

492
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,680
that I can think of. 
I don't have all of them on me. 

493
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,840
One of them, ironically, would 
be the sock in the Endorphin 

494
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,240
Elite one because it still ran 
pretty stable for me. 

495
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,800
I trusted it even at paces that 
weren't 5:30. 

496
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,800
And it's one of the few shoes 
where I felt like I could do 

497
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,200
that that are super shoes. 
Am I all blurry on your screen? 

498
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,080
I feel like the camera focus, 
there we go. 

499
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,480
Nate taught me that trick. 
And then the so that one I'll 

500
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720
just say right off the bat, I 
trust that shoe. 

501
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,400
I feel like in most situations I
probably would just wear it. 

502
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,680
Now. 
The other ones, this one just 

503
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,000
got here. 
You held it up earlier. 

504
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,240
It's the A6 Mega Blast. 
I think it's responsive, but 

505
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,080
it's still forgiving enough, and
I feel like there's just enough 

506
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,640
structure on it to where I can 
settle into rhythm and trust 

507
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,600
that it's going to take care of 
me and still run a little bit 

508
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,600
fast, right? 
And then the other one, and this

509
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,840
is going to be kind of a wild 
card. 

510
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,800
I don't think you're going to 
see this one coming, but it's 

511
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,600
probably the Nike Zoom Fly. 
No, that makes total sense. 

512
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Like a structured zoom X plated 

513
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,520
option. 
You know, I can get going a 

514
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,560
little bit, but it still fits 
and rides like a trainer, right?

515
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,760
Like if my mechanics start to 
breakdown and I start getting a 

516
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280
little bit tired, I'll still be 
OK. 

517
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,320
Like that's where some of these 
super shoes have a hard time 

518
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,480
where like let's say you have 
something like the Endorphin 

519
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,960
Elite 2 here. 
Really soft, really compliant 

520
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,000
foam. 
It's super energetic. 

521
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,720
I mean, don't get me wrong, but 
she's so responsive, but when 

522
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,280
you start getting really tired, 
you might start fighting that 

523
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,400
platform a little bit and that 
thing might start getting 

524
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,880
unstable on you. 
If you don't, if it's not battle

525
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
tested, if it works for you, 
then you're great. 

526
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,760
But I think for me right now I 
I'm gonna stay away from those. 

527
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,280
I want a little bit more 
structure. 

528
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,640
And that's funny 'cause I said 
Endorphin Elite One and then I 

529
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,480
held up Endorphin Elite 2. 
That was not by design when I 

530
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,080
made that conversation. 
But that's also shows you the 

531
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,640
differences between models 
sometimes where like if I was 

532
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,120
fast and I was in shape, I could
run in the endorphin elite too. 

533
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,440
But right now I'm not fast, I'm 
not in shape. 

534
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,160
So I'm gonna opt for something 
that can go a little bit fast 

535
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,920
but has structure to. 
It I I'm impressed I would not 

536
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,680
be able to survive a marathon in
the endorphin elite too, I would

537
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,320
my hips. 
Well, I said Endorphin Elite One

538
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,920
would be my choice. 
Yeah, Yeah, I know. 

539
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,960
I agree with you. 
I agree with you. 

540
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,720
Yes. 
Yeah. 

541
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560
But yeah, I think and then the 
other wild card, I wouldn't 

542
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,080
actually choose it, but I could 
totally see it being on the 

543
00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:02,320
table would be the Mizuno Wave 
Neo Vista Two. 

544
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,640
There we go. 
Got it. 

545
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,840
I'm almost at Zen. 
I was like, I know it's not Zen,

546
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,960
I know it's not Zen Vista and 
it's in the same category. 

547
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,640
It's in the same, you know, kind
of like lightweight trainer with

548
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,840
the responsive new generation 
foam. 

549
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600
But it's still a little bit more
training friendly. 

550
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,200
Got it. 
So you've, you've chosen for 

551
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,200
this category and So what, what 
kind of time do you think you'd 

552
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,360
be shooting for? 
I mean, I'd like to run sub 

553
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:29,960
three if I'm racing, but I'm 
bracing myself for the reality 

554
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,400
of three to 3:30. 
You know, like starting 

555
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,440
conservative and then hoping I 
can cut down or stay even, but 

556
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,440
if I blow up I'm still OK. 
Got it. 

557
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,600
So this is going to be in your 
training paces, right? 

558
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,320
It's not necessarily your 
typical rate like all out PR 

559
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720
race pace. 
And there's the combination 

560
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,960
going. 
I might be going a little 

561
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,920
quicker. 
I might also be going in my just

562
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,120
my my usual running pace, right.
So that's why you're choosing 

563
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,640
that and you're choosing it 
because these are lightweight, 

564
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,240
you've been able to do training 
paces and long runs in them 

565
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,920
correctly and you're thinking 
long term. 

566
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,640
Is there anything I didn't hit 
on that influences your decision

567
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,600
for this these three? 
I think the other thing I think 

568
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,120
of is smooth with long run chew.
Yep. 

569
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040
I can just see myself getting 
into rhythm, just going to work.

570
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,480
We always joke. 
It's like shut up and go to 

571
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,680
sleep like. 
Just. 

572
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,360
Like I can do that. 
I feel like in those shoes I 

573
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,120
could picture myself doing that 
in the race. 

574
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,360
Yep, so I totally agree. 
So my my top 3 is going to be 

575
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,760
very similar. 
And I think this is your, you 

576
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,120
know, maybe getting a little bit
into the sub three, but that 

577
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:38,200
like 3 to 4 hour ish, right? 
Like you're you've got more 

578
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800
experience, you're going a 
little bit quicker, but you also

579
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,720
might be running at your kind of
training pace. 

580
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,040
You've spent a lot of time here.
This is for a lot of people 

581
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,080
going to be really challenging, 
but it's not going to be your, 

582
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,600
you know, two 45230. 
You're like really, really top 

583
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,680
level. 
You still need to have my 

584
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,640
opinion that's going to be 
better for you. 

585
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,360
Something that is a good long, 
long run shoe, right? 

586
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:01,840
And it's a good shoe. 
That's not the it's not the 

587
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,960
heaviest, it's not your recovery
jog shoe, but it's still 

588
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,000
something that you can do that 
with. 

589
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,840
And so I'm going to do the same 
one that you just did because of

590
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,640
I've done everything in it is 
the mega blast that I really 

591
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,800
like because it's not plated. 
It's a little stiff, but it's 

592
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,120
not too stiff. 
And if you want something 

593
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,800
stiffer, that's where something 
like the Super blast will come 

594
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,120
in. 
I think these are both really 

595
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:23,720
excellent. 
I just hit the mic with my 

596
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,880
shoelace. 
Sorry for that noise. 

597
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
What I like about both these 
shoes is that, you know, super 

598
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,720
glass 2 is a little bit more 
stable. 

599
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,160
The mega blast. 
It's just a little softer 

600
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,560
transitions a little better and 
I like it a lot better, but it's

601
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,440
also got just enough room to 
feel like it's not going to bug 

602
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
my feet over a long run, but 
it's also not really heavy. 

603
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,120
So I've done pretty much every 
long run the last couple weeks 

604
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,520
in this shoe that and it's I've 
gone a variety of paces. 

605
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320
I've gone sub six minute pace in
this shoe while pushing a 

606
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,600
stroller. 
I've run 8 to 9 minute pace 

607
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,040
during like easy runs in this. 
It can do everything, it's 

608
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,680
durable, I like the foam and I 
trust it in like longer efforts 

609
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,200
when I'm getting into that, you 
know, close to two hour mark and

610
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,000
going OK, is it still 
comfortable? 

611
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080
And the answer is yes, it's so 
comfortable. 

612
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,760
So I can still move a little bit
in it. 

613
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,760
And that's where I think a lot 
of these shoes are really 

614
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,680
excellent for a lot of people. 
Whereas, you know, some of the 

615
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Super shoes, I'm going to say 
this may not be appropriate for 

616
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,160
everyone. 
There's a lot of people that can

617
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,800
run in them. 
There's people running 5 hour 

618
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,920
marathons in some of them, but I
I don't think it's appropriate 

619
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,400
for everyone. 
These are really great 

620
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800
alternative that you can still 
turn over with and because I've 

621
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,760
done tempos intervals in it too.
The second one is going to be 

622
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
very controversial because I 
know a lot of people don't 

623
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,120
necessarily like this shoe. 
I love it. 

624
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,760
The Endorphin Trainer is really 
a great shoe. 

625
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080
It's been awesome. 
I have over 100 miles in it. 

626
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,400
I love, I love the balance of 
the Incredi run and the EBA foam

627
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
here. 
It worked a lot better for me 

628
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,200
than the Endorphin Elite 2. 
We're just so much Incredi like 

629
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,880
I couldn't do it it was too 
soft. 

630
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,520
This is balanced really nicely 
done long runs done every kind 

631
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840
of workout imaginable. 
It's not as light as a lot of 

632
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,360
the shoes like the mega blast, 
but it doesn't stop it from 

633
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,520
being responsive I've done 
everything down to like 2 

634
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,680
hundreds in this shoe done 
everything up to 1516 mile long 

635
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,200
runs pushing a stroller. 
It's been fine and it's 

636
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,840
comfortable over those longer 
distances nice airy mesh. 

637
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,360
It fits really, really well. 
Be a little careful though, it 

638
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,000
can, I can get some little 
abrasions on the lateral on the 

639
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,200
5th toe. 
But outside of that it's really 

640
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,760
comfortable and it's that I 
trust both going easy and both 

641
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840
going up tempo. 
And so that's going to be my 

642
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,320
third option there for that 
reason. 

643
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680
The other shoe that I'm thinking
about, and I would not have 

644
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,120
chosen this in the past, but I'm
choosing it now and it's going 

645
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,880
to be some reason why some 
people don't like it, is the 

646
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Endorphin Speed 5. 
And so this verse, the previous 

647
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320
version I probably wouldn't have
suggested as much because it was

648
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720
a little bit firmer, a little 
bit more aggressive. 

649
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,720
This versions really changed 
where it's less aggressive, it's

650
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,000
softer, it's got a lot more 
lateral bias, which has worked 

651
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,880
very, very well for me. 
And so I think for that reason, 

652
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920
it's similar thing to the last 
two. 

653
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,880
It's comfortable. 
I'd use it on long runs if I 

654
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
wanted a little bit less shoe 
compared to the the two, I would

655
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640
choose this one. 
It's still got some bounce. 

656
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,600
It can still do some up tempo 
workouts. 

657
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,080
It does very well at longer 
consistent efforts and it's not 

658
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,000
the heaviest shoe. 
It's not always the most fun on 

659
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,800
easy runs, but it can do it. 
So that would be my third one 

660
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,760
that I would choose again 
because it's that lightweight 

661
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,000
trainer ish. 
It's got some versatility. 

662
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920
I'm going to be able to put down
some decent times without 

663
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,360
killing myself over the 
racecourse. 

664
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,440
So if I had to go run tomorrow, 
those are probably my top three 

665
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760
that I'd be thinking about for 
those reasons. 

666
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,960
And so again, I think for a lot 
of people in that three hour, 

667
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,560
334 ish hour area, I think these
are a really, really good place 

668
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,200
to be. 
And I think for a lot of people,

669
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,760
even into like 250 ish area like
that might still be a really, 

670
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680
really good consideration 
because again, if you wear the 

671
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,160
lightest possible shoe, great, 
but it doesn't necessarily mean 

672
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920
you're going to finish. 
That's what's so different about

673
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,120
the marathon compared to other 
distances where you got it. 

674
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
There's a lot of other factors. 
And are you comfortable having 

675
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,840
that thing on your feet for two 
hours? 

676
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
And can you hold on to that pace
for two hours? 

677
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680
And I personally, at the pace 
that we're talking right now, 

678
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880
would rather have something that
I know and trust and it's 

679
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,280
comfortable that can go a little
bit faster. 

680
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,480
And so that's why I think in 
this middle realm, that's what 

681
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,600
we're suggesting and kind of 
some good shoes to think about. 

682
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Yeah, I think we had really 
similar answers actually, which 

683
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,040
would make sense. 
And you're actually in better 

684
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,120
running shape than I am right 
now. 

685
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Now. 
I just never changed. 

686
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,520
I'm just like hanging on for 
dear life trying not to lose 

687
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,520
anymore while pushing the 
stroller. 

688
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,560
But that was good. 
That was a good little segment. 

689
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,200
We did not plan for that, y'all.
So I thought that was good. 

690
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,560
All right. 
So we are talking about those 

691
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,800
people that like especially 
there's a variety of people that

692
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,480
fit in this category. 
But we're talking about your 334

693
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,360
hour, 5-6 hour plus range of 
people who are going. 

694
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,120
And again, you might be going 
for APR, but you are running 

695
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,560
very different pieces and you 
are going to be on your feet for

696
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,440
a very, very long time compared 
to the group that we just talked

697
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,880
about and the elite, elite group
that is like really starting to 

698
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640
run in those really, really fast
paces for them. 

699
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,200
Not saying what you're doing is 
not fast, just saying that 

700
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,280
you're going to be out there for
a really, really long time. 

701
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,960
So you have very different 
stresses. 

702
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400
And there's some actually really
interesting evidence on this in 

703
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880
terms of like nutrition timing. 
Totally different by the way, 

704
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,600
for those that are in the 33456 
hour range than those in the 

705
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,440
like 242 and a half, 215, 
because there's totally 

706
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440
different times. 
If you're on your feet for that 

707
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,440
long, there's different tissue 
damage. 

708
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880
You got to think about your long
runs have to be different 

709
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480
because you do need to expose 
your body to be out there for 

710
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,680
that long. 
And you're going to need to be 

711
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,480
taking a lot more nutrition just
because you're out on the course

712
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,960
a lot longer period. 
There's other factors you have 

713
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,840
to think about. 
So with that in mind, we're 

714
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,440
talking more about is 
recreational runner the right 

715
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,040
term for this, I feel. 
I don't think so. 

716
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,960
That's not, I don't that's not 
the right term, the word 

717
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,880
recreational runner because it's
like. 

718
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080
We're both recreational. 
We're both recreational. 

719
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,840
I think if someone like let's 
say Nate, right, where it's like

720
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760
he's doing because he likes to 
and it's fun, but he still wants

721
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,000
time out of it, right? 
Like there's a certain point 

722
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,240
where there's people that are 
just doing it to do it because 

723
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,440
they like it and they don't 
necessarily want time. 

724
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,600
They like the the group that's 
running for completion, right? 

725
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Where like they want to do it 
because they want to do it. 

726
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,280
They want to run a marathon. 
They don't really care what's on

727
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,320
the clock. 
They just want to go out there 

728
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,639
and do it. 
Right. 

729
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,280
There's a lot of people that 
will do it for participation. 

730
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,760
There's still a large portion of
this group that are looking and 

731
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,120
there are, right, right. 
But I think the major difference

732
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,840
is the fact that you're on your 
feet for this long is gonna 

733
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,520
warrant some differences. 
And there'll be some overlaps. 

734
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,280
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

735
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,080
So what would you be thinking 
about if so? 

736
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,840
Again, we're thinking. 4 hours. 
Yeah, we're thinking 4 hours and

737
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,679
above and we're now we're 
putting you in this situation. 

738
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,280
You have to go run a marathon 
this evening. 

739
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,600
Yeah, yeah, OK. 
And four hour marathon, like I'm

740
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,160
just scooting along and just 
yeah, yeah. 

741
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,760
Just trying to just survive. 
Yeah, I think that's when I 

742
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200
start looking away from those 
super shoes, right? 

743
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Like I start looking at shoes 
that I trust, that are reliable,

744
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,960
that just feel comfortable for 
being on my feet for long 

745
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,600
periods of time, and shoes that 
have mechanics that work with 

746
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,080
me. 
I actually have 6 shoes right 

747
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,280
here. 
I won't go into all of them, but

748
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
I'll at least highlight them 
very very briefly. 

749
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,760
I'll just say for the first one,
I think cuz you already said it,

750
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160
this would be the shortest one. 
If you have like stability 

751
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,600
considerations and it's a 
trusted, reliable shoe, the Gel 

752
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Kiano. 
Absolutely. 

753
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,640
I almost bought that. 
Yeah, you're rubbing off on me 

754
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,560
like I. 
Sorry, so I I'm gonna jump in 

755
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,520
right now that I totally agree 
with the Kiano just because it's

756
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,960
such in my this is my stability 
shoe of the year. 

757
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,280
I nothing has come to mind. 
This we'll see. 

758
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,320
Sweet. 
Yeah, it's definitely taken over

759
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,160
from the GT 2014, which I will 
do a comparison review. 

760
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,360
And I'm not enjoying that shoe 
even though I have 70 miles on 

761
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,200
it. 
It's not been fun. 

762
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,280
It's gonna work for a different 
person than me, but it's just 

763
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,320
got a great upper. 
The sole is not mushy, but it's 

764
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,320
well cushioned. 
It just feels good for getting 

765
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,120
out for long mount. 
I've done a lot also done a lot 

766
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,800
of long runs in this shoe and I 
trust it from everything from a 

767
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,640
recovery run to a long run. 
I I know what I'm getting and I 

768
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
know exactly that if I just had 
to go out there tomorrow, like 

769
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,440
in a few hours, I'd put this on 
my feet because I'm like I'm not

770
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,040
looking for something super 
fast. 

771
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,800
I just want to get through this.
It's a good shoe that I can be 

772
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,200
comfortable in for hours. 
I've also worn this as a walking

773
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
shoe for like 8-9 hours Walking 
shoe and feet are great and so 

774
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,800
that's where I'm going. 
OK, might actually. 

775
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,280
Be my favorite walking shoe 
right now. 

776
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,440
Yeah, what shoe can I? 
Be a walking shoe. 

777
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Sorry, don't mean to cut you 
off. 

778
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,360
Right, what shoe can I handle 
just being on my feet for that 

779
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,760
long? 
And the Kayano is definitely, 

780
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,920
definitely, definitely a top one
for me personally, especially if

781
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520
you have stability needs. 
If you don't have stability 

782
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400
needs, there's probably some 
better options for you. 

783
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,800
The Nimbus 27, not to make this 
an ASIC segment, but the Nimbus 

784
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,240
27 is also a really good one. 
Although some people think 

785
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,560
that's I've said it's heavy. 
I really enjoy doing long runs 

786
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,880
in that shoe. 
It's a great shoe, little. 

787
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,240
High shoes that we're going to 
pick, though, are going to have 

788
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:11,640
a little bit of weight to them, 
right? 

789
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,840
Like in this category, they're 
going to be more buffed up 

790
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,480
trainers that are a little bit 
more plush and rhythmic anyways,

791
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,680
right? 
Yeah, that weight never bothered

792
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,600
me, though. 
I was like, it was such a smooth

793
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,720
shoe. 
I loved it. 

794
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,080
So yeah. 
So just two examples. 

795
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,080
What else you got? 
Yeah. 

796
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,920
So I'll just not ruffle feathers
yet. 

797
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,520
So the first one. 
Now we're saving that. 

798
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
I'm saving it, I'm saving it, 
all right. 

799
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,800
I will say though, if I had to 
just go Scootal a marathon. 

800
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Save it. 

801
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Save it. 
I'll probably choose that shoe, 

802
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,200
but I'm not. 
I'm not gonna say it yet. 

803
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Do we do you want to talk about 
it now? 

804
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Should we just get pull off? 
You tell me you're the one that 

805
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,400
wanted this. 
Fine, let's let's do this. 

806
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,600
This is not my choice. 
He's trying to date me into 

807
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,480
this. 
Yeah. 

808
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,120
OK, so let's see on cloud. 
Boom Max and I feel like this is

809
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,880
a polarizing shoe amongst the 
community. 

810
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,280
People either love it or hate 
it. 

811
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,840
Most of our team loves it, by 
the way, Klein's really the only

812
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,400
one that. 
I'm the only one that doesn't 

813
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,360
like this shoe. 
I haven't. 

814
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,840
I think I understand why, but go
why would you choose this shoe 

815
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,520
even other than the fact that 
this is this group is literally 

816
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,040
who this shoe has been designed?
For yeah it is a weird shoe. 

817
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,200
The on cloud boom Max. 
Now they market it as a super 

818
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,840
shoe for everyone. 
I don't love the coinage of 

819
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,640
super shoe in this situation. 
If they said it's a premium 

820
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,800
trainer for those that want to 
be on their feet forever, yeah, 

821
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
I'll go for that. 
It doesn't feel that super on 

822
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,720
your feet. 
What it does feel is like it's 

823
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,800
got like a it's basically got a 
top layer of Helion HF, which is

824
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,520
the racing super foam. 
It feels like it's tuned a 

825
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,360
little bit. 
It doesn't feel the same to me 

826
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,880
at least as the other Helion HF,
but it is still plush and 

827
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,040
bouncy. 
However, you have that cloud 

828
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,840
tech layer underneath that kills
the bounce a little bit and it 

829
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,560
just feels very structured like 
so you get this kind of like 

830
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,040
slight give to it. 
And this shoe just really likes 

831
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,840
to just shuffle. 
And that's like the best way I 

832
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,240
could say it. 
Like I've tried to run faster in

833
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,840
this shoe. 
It doesn't feel that great 

834
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400
running fast. 
And Bach and I talk about it 

835
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,080
sometimes where we're like, it 
almost feels like the slower you

836
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,400
go, like the nicer it feels. 
And it's got a beautiful upper 

837
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480
like it's got it's really well 
done. 

838
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,840
It locks down while it's airy, 
it's wide, it's got volume. 

839
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Like I feel like this is one of 
the better uppers of the year so

840
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,680
far. 
And it's it's just comfortable, 

841
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,680
right? 
And I feel like it lines up with

842
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,280
my mechanics well to where I can
just shuffle, like literally 

843
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,200
just shuffle like slow running 
miles and enjoy those miles and 

844
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,240
kind of forget that I have 
something on my foot. 

845
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,240
With that said, it's a little 
bit heavier. 

846
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,440
It's a plus shoe. 
There's a lot going on. 

847
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,040
I think with you. 
I was thinking about this 

848
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,840
actually because I think with 
where the heels beveled. 

849
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,600
It feels like there's a slight 
inferior translation there where

850
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,440
it just feels like there's a 
little speed bump there, and I 

851
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,720
feel like if you're a little bit
more aggressive on that heel, 

852
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,040
you might just clink that thing 
where I'm not as aggressive on 

853
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,800
it and I feel like it works 
really well for me. 

854
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,240
And then I just roll right into 
that forefoot. 

855
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,600
The forefoot's not crazy rocker.
There is a plate in it, but it's

856
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,480
just kind of a nice gradual, 
steady rocker. 

857
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,920
There's a tiny bit of flex to 
it, but it's a overall a 

858
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,720
relatively stiff shoe and it's 
just. 

859
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Is this is this glass fiber? 
What's the plate? 

860
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,280
It's not. 
It's not a carbon plate, 

861
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,160
correct? 
It goes really long though. 

862
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,680
You can see it. 
Yeah, it's a full length plate. 

863
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
I'm not sure. 
I thought it was some kind of 

864
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,280
carbon fiber. 
We'll have to get checked on 

865
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,720
that. 
Yeah, I could check right now. 

866
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,600
In the meantime, while you go, 
that's what it. 

867
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Feels like to me running, it 
feels like if I hit the heel, 

868
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,120
there's a speed bump there and 
just I again for the wide foot 

869
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,240
fam out there, the the upper is 
phenomenal. 

870
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,400
We love wide toe boxes. 
It is great. 

871
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,800
It's got great room. 
It's super comfortable on foot. 

872
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,880
If you need a little bit more 
volume, a little more width, 

873
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,240
it's a really, really good 
option. 

874
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,800
It just I think for what I'm 
feeling under foot for 230 bucks

875
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,200
yes, I know it's on yes, I know 
they charge premium price. 

876
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,200
I was expecting a lot more out 
of the midsole. 

877
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,200
The rear foot's really clunky 
for me. 

878
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,800
I think part of that's also 
there's this really large amount

879
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,920
of lateral heel flare that I'm 
just hitting and it's just 

880
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,720
thrusting me inwards. 
I'm going to. 

881
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,000
Stay at glass fibers. 
Sorry. 

882
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,720
Glass. 
Yeah, OK. 

883
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,160
The the heel is stable. 
I will give them that both 

884
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,440
medially and laterally. 
Very stable, right. 

885
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:48,200
It's a structure, massive side 
wall, the lateral flare stop 

886
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,320
successive supination. 
That midfoot, though, it's it 

887
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,760
like right after the heel it's 
gone. 

888
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,760
It's just the midfoot narrows. 
I feel myself collapsing over 

889
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,000
it. 
The forefoot for whatever 

890
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,160
reason, also doesn't feel that 
centered or stable to me just 

891
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,840
because I feel like I do 
collapse off the medial side. 

892
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,960
So I I think for heel is good. 
I think others you just want you

893
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,800
got to want a firmer shoe. 
So you guys just got to know on 

894
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,840
be willing to spend 230 bucks 
for a wider shoe, but it's not 

895
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,400
what I would. 
Shoot firm though. 

896
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,440
It's like a plush firm like it 
has gift to it, it just it 

897
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,800
doesn't. 
It's not it's not super 

898
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,760
compliant though. 
I just. 

899
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,120
I just don't like it. 
I like I want something that 

900
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,240
transitions a little better a 
little smoother a little bit 

901
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:33,240
like softer if I'm going to go 
that long in it I I, I did 1 

902
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,880
long run in it. 
My feet hurt a lot after that, 

903
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,440
but hey, the rest of the team 
loves this shoe, so it's not on 

904
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,480
my list. 
It's on everybody else's list, 

905
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,800
but. 
That's what it is. 

906
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,040
The conflicting part for that 
shoe is I don't think there's 

907
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,520
that much versatility in going 
fast or even a little up tempo. 

908
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,360
I I did try to do a workout and 
it and it was not fun. 

909
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,440
Yeah, like even doing strides 
and trying to get it going, I 

910
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,840
just couldn't. 
But like I if I had like no 

911
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,840
reason to pick up the pace and I
was just running easy miles, not

912
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,280
of care in the world at the 
pace, that could probably be a 

913
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,320
shoe of the year for me right 
now. 

914
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,200
So it's a weird one, right? 
Like where it's like if I'm 

915
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,240
getting daily, try a train like 
a daily trainer where I'm just 

916
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,280
like, that is strictly miles and
I'm just going to lock in and do

917
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,360
that, then might be worth the 
price. 

918
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,520
But if you want a little bit 
more out of it, I don't know if 

919
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,240
that price tag will match the 
versatility of some other shoes 

920
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,600
that are out there. 
That'll bring me to like the 

921
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,400
next one here where the other 
shoe that I kind of think of in 

922
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,840
the same lens a little bit, we 
both have the shoe ready is the 

923
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Nike Vomero plus Zoom X454443 
millimeters of stack, whatever, 

924
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,080
it's high up. 
It's got that. 

925
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,920
It's in like the low 9 oz range,
right? 

926
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,040
So it's definitely lighter, this
one. 

927
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,600
I think it's just under 10 oz. 
Might have to check beyond that,

928
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,760
but it's lighter than the 
vimero. 

929
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,320
It's it's. 
Like, no light. 

930
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,000
You're right. 
Yeah, it's no, it's yeah. 

931
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,640
Low 10, low 1010.2 ounces in my 
men's 9.5. 

932
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,320
I remember from doing the video.
Yeah, 'cause it like the men's 

933
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,800
size 9 weights just a little. 
Under 10 I think Yeah, yeah, so 

934
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,920
sorry about that. 
I got my specs wrong for a 

935
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,480
second, but yeah, no, it's nice.
It's more compliant. 

936
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,440
So like that soft feeling is 
actually in this shoe. 

937
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Like it's not like is this soft?
It's cushioned, but is it soft? 

938
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,240
Like no, it is pretty soft. 
It has some give to it it it's a

939
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,080
rocket shoe. 
It's got a good outsole, wide 

940
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,520
base flush up or, you know, easy
shuffling shoe. 

941
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Again, not as good at going 
fast, but it's better at going 

942
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,920
fast than the Clad Boom Max's 
and it's also at a lower price 

943
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,440
point being at 180. 
You know, I got to start looking

944
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,800
at things, you know, as we get 
towards the end of the year on 

945
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,360
my awards and stuff, because I 
think I like the ride of the 

946
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,720
Cloud Boom Max more for easy 
easy, but I get more out of the 

947
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,120
Vomero Plus and it's not that 
much of a step down, you know, 

948
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
in terms of how smooth the ride 
is at easy, easy paces. 

949
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,360
So, but that's another one that 
I think you start looking at 

950
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,360
when you're looking at 4 hour 
marathons and beyond something 

951
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,080
that's got a good amount of 
cushion. 

952
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,560
It feel it's transitions well, 
it breathes well, it it will 

953
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,200
accommodate foot swelling. 
There's plenty of volume and 

954
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,120
space, like I feel like it 
checks pretty much I think so I 

955
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,240
think it's got some volume in 
there. 

956
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,560
OK. 
I think for me, the toe box fits

957
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,320
a little bit more like tapered 
and snug. 

958
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,520
So yeah, I think there's a tiny 
bit of volume in there. 

959
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,960
But I think if this is not the 
wide foot shoe, I don't know. 

960
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,840
Not as much as wide, but I think
it's. 

961
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,200
Not enough. 
This is this is This is more of 

962
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,080
your normal foot width kind of 
shoe. 

963
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,400
But I totally agree with you on 
these. 

964
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,280
Yeah, the Zoom X foam is really 
nice. 

965
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,680
I've done a lot of long runs in 
this shoe. 

966
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080
I feel like I shouldn't be able 
to do long runs in this shoe 

967
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680
because it shouldn't be stable 
enough, but I've somehow 

968
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
survived in this. 
It's definitely not a stability 

969
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,080
shoe, but and it's been a great 
shoe for a variety of mostly 

970
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,160
like easy long run bases. 
But again, long runs have been 

971
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,240
great and durability is also 
killer. 

972
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,760
This is my size, this is this is
at 100 miles and this is my left

973
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,080
shoe that normally RIP up and 
the outsole still intact, which 

974
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,480
I ripped the Vomero eighteens 
outsole off at like 40 miles 

975
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,000
just because it wasn't full 
ground contact. 

976
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,280
So get your money's worth, get a
full season of training and a 

977
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,000
marathon potentially in it. 
That's it's it's hand. 

978
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,760
It's doing really well. 
So it should have 100 mile 

979
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,080
review up pretty soon because I 
shot that. 

980
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,000
But yeah. 
So what do you got for #3? 

981
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,400
Yeah, So the last one, it's 
going to be just a collective 

982
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,440
answer here. 
Take your favorite daily 

983
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,520
trainer. 
So I'm just holding up 3 

984
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,520
trainers that are all pretty 
solid that I like. 

985
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,280
I don't think they're not all my
favorite trainers per SE, but 

986
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,680
we've got the A6 Nova Blast 
there. 41 1/2 stack basic 

987
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080
lightweight daily trainer. 
A lot of people run marathons in

988
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,600
them for a reason. 
Saucony ride, comfortable upper,

989
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,400
fits well, good durable shoe 
foam, nice rhythmic daily 

990
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,680
training shoe. 
You're probably running in this 

991
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,920
if you're in that 4 hour crowd, 
you're probably racing in the 

992
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,320
shoe that you normally run in 
anyways. 

993
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,640
So just pick in like a daily 
trainer. 

994
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,080
The other one's the Hoka Bondi, 
just nice basic transitions, 

995
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,520
high stack rocker shoe. 
Nothing, you know, crazy to 

996
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,280
report about it, you know, but 
it's just reliable, right. 

997
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,400
So that's kind of what I'm 
thinking on that end. 

998
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,600
And then the glycer and Max, Oh 
no, I don't think, I don't know 

999
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,520
if I could run your, I don't 
think I could run more than 10 

1000
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,800
miles in that. 
Dude, I ran lots of long runs in

1001
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,120
this shoe. 
Again, really durable, really 

1002
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,680
nice. 
Fish that's not a. 

1003
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,840
Super good, super good long 
mileage shoe. 

1004
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,080
I would encourage you though, 
like we said last year, because 

1005
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
this is last year's model is to 
do a half size up to a jet 

1006
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,440
because it does fit a little bit
short. 

1007
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,080
But I love this shoe for long, 
long miles and being on your 

1008
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,040
feet for a long, long time. 
As yet another also super 

1009
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,160
comfortable walking shoe as well
that just could handle, you 

1010
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,040
know, being on your feet for 
really long periods. 

1011
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,480
So that's another one to think 
about more cushion. 

1012
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,520
Again, just to consider, just be
aware of the fit. 

1013
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,400
So really what it comes down to 
in this category of being in 

1014
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,720
that 456 hour range is going. 
You want a shoe that is really 

1015
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,560
your daily trainer, right? 
You want that shoe to be the one

1016
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,680
that you're used to being on 
your feet in for long periods of

1017
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,240
time. 
You want something that's really

1018
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,120
comfortable because you don't 
want the lightest possible mesh 

1019
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,080
because those meshes, I promise 
you from personal experience is 

1020
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,720
eventually going to rip your 
skin off. 

1021
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,560
And that has happened to me with
some of these, you know, Super 

1022
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,880
Racer going. 
I don't want to be in this for 

1023
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
super long periods of time. 
And so given the paces and 

1024
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,600
speeds you're going, having some
better cushioning a shoe trust 

1025
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,720
and it's got a really 
comfortable upper, maybe a 

1026
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,240
little bit a little bit more 
room. 

1027
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,480
I think having a little higher 
volume like David mentioned, 

1028
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,640
it's going to be better because 
your feet will swell. 

1029
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Like the volume of a shoe of 
your foot is going to change 

1030
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,360
drastically for 2 1/2 hours 
versus 5 hours. 

1031
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,400
It's going to be very different 
because of the amount of 

1032
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,520
pounding and the physical stress
on the foot over that time. 

1033
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,800
Get a little bit more room, make
sure that you're comfortable 

1034
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,200
with that fit because if it's 
too narrow, it's too snug, 

1035
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,160
that's going to be problematic. 
So that's our group. 

1036
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,320
Are you any other comments 
before we move on to the final 

1037
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,640
section, which is going to be? 
Yeah, what would you call this 

1038
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,480
group? 
What's that? 

1039
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:23,040
The like your sub three hour, 
you're going like, again, lots 

1040
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,920
of people in the other 
categories may be going for 

1041
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,640
this. 
And that's where the these, you 

1042
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,600
know, you can obviously wear 
some of the shoes we're going to

1043
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,960
talk about, but like you're 
looking for the lightest, 

1044
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,720
fastest thing possible to get 
you through a lot of these these

1045
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,720
marathon races. 
OK, So what would you like 

1046
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:43,480
roughly the sub three group? 
Yeah, sub three, sub 2523215, 

1047
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,040
like you're really hitting the 
pavement and you're putting some

1048
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,080
speed on your one pretty usually
pretty hard. 

1049
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,600
It must be nice for people to 
run easy two 30s. 

1050
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,040
But you know, some people do 
that for in their training, not 

1051
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,360
us, but yeah. 
So this is, you're starting to 

1052
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,680
think really about efficiency, 
super lightweight, probably 

1053
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,160
going to be thinking carbon 
plated. 

1054
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,040
David, what are you going to be 
looking for? 

1055
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,680
If you're going for your PR 
effort, for you it should be 

1056
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,560
like the two 20s. 
Yeah. 

1057
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,000
I think the interesting thing is
it still comes down to trust, 

1058
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,280
right? 
Like you want a responsive 

1059
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,280
platform, of course, something 
that can respond to the pace and

1060
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,760
the the effort that you're 
putting down because it is a big

1061
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,880
one, but you want it to be 
something that you trust. 

1062
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,680
And as of right now, there's 
nothing I trust more for that 

1063
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,680
than the endorphin elite one. 
For me personally, that could 

1064
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,840
change. 
I'm just not in the shape to do 

1065
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,560
it right now. 
But I really like the A6 meta 

1066
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,040
speed Edge Tokyo. 
I don't see why I can't run a 

1067
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,960
marathon in it. 
I just have to try it, right? 

1068
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,040
I just haven't done anything 
long enough. 

1069
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,000
So someone's got to get me off 
my butt and go run some some 

1070
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,240
fast and long, long runs. 
But that would be something you 

1071
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,920
look at pretty much any super 
shoe on the market, honestly. 

1072
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,120
I mean, that's why they're 
there. 

1073
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,640
So the other things I have are 
like the Nike Vapor Fly here, 

1074
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,600
the Saucony Endorphin Elite 2 
responsive racing shoes. 

1075
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,480
Not always the most stable 
though, right? 

1076
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Like, so you got to ask yourself
that question of like, can I 

1077
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,360
actually handle this? 
When I look at the Vapor Fly 

1078
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,040
here, that's a pretty narrow 
midfoot. 

1079
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,880
It's a very fun shoe to go fast 
in. 

1080
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,440
But for me, I start to fight 
myself after a while. 

1081
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Once I get tired, I I kind of 
need a little bit more there. 

1082
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,240
Fast forward Endorphinally too, 
it's got more there, but it's 

1083
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,600
really soft and compliant and 
there's a gift to it 

1084
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,080
torsionally. 
Like probably not my choice, 

1085
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,360
right? 
So you got to go and find 

1086
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,400
something that lines up with 
your mechanics that you like. 

1087
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,360
This is probably the closest 
thing right now that's come out 

1088
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,920
this year. 
This being the edge Tokyo that 

1089
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,320
I'm holding up from ASICS Meta 
speed Edge Tokyo. 

1090
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:49,800
But endorphinally one was tried 
and true. 

1091
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,000
That was my marathon shoe. 
That's I've run a couple in it. 

1092
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,240
It's where my PR is. 
It's kind of home for me at this

1093
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,480
point for that distance. 
But you know, I mean that I 

1094
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,480
don't even know if you can still
buy that on regular retail or 

1095
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,920
not. 
I'd have to look, but. 

1096
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,520
You can definitely. 
For those of you that are 

1097
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,640
interested, I'm going to let the
secret out. 

1098
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,560
You can totally find lots of 
pairs on eBay, so there's SO. 

1099
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,280
I don't think that's a secret by
this point. 

1100
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,320
Anyone who's listening to this, 
anybody who listens, No, it's 

1101
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,440
not. 
Yeah, But yeah, I think you just

1102
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,960
got to try it out and see if it 
responds to the forces you're 

1103
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,240
putting in. 
Does it line up with your 

1104
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,640
mechanics? 
And does it line up with your 

1105
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,320
mechanics when you're further in
battle? 

1106
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,840
Test it, right, like when I did.
Now, we talked about earlier, I 

1107
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,040
made that decision to run in the
Endorphin Elite one within the 

1108
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,400
month of getting it. 
There was also a 90 minute at 

1109
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,720
5:45 pace workout that I did 
where it was like, OK, that's 

1110
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:43,560
pretty close to marathon 
simulation, right? 

1111
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,720
Like what would that be? 
Two 34233, something like that. 

1112
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,000
So like, yeah, like that's 
pretty good. 

1113
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,640
I think I I felt good enough to 
be like OK, yeah, I liked it for

1114
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,600
that. 
I feel good I'm in one piece, 

1115
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,240
not overly sore anywhere. 
I lined up with my mechanics. 

1116
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,480
Let's do it. 
So there was an educated leap 

1117
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,040
there, but I wouldn't have just 
blindly just done it because 

1118
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,120
it's the latest and greatest in 
quotes, you know, so. 

1119
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,320
That's where some of my choices 
I think are going to come in 

1120
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,960
again and they're not always the
latest and the greatest. 

1121
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,520
It's the shoes that I know I can
trust cause I've done long runs 

1122
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000
in them. 
Many of them I've done pretty 

1123
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,960
hard long runs and long run 
workouts. 

1124
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,320
Trying to keep up with my wife 
who it was a professional 

1125
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,320
marathoner and continues to 
compete at a good level, but I'm

1126
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,600
going to have stability in mind.
And so my tried and true, I 

1127
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,480
haven't run a marathon. 
I actually haven't run a 

1128
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,920
marathon in any true super shoe 
actually. 

1129
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,560
So my role done in like the OG 
Skechers. 

1130
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,960
Speedily, that counted. 
From the time. 

1131
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,280
Nah, not fully. 
Wait, Joyce, still? 

1132
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,520
No, I don't have it out here, 
but I had the first one was in a

1133
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,920
prototype, the second one. 
No, the first marathon was in 

1134
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,800
the Razor. 
The second marathon, the 232 was

1135
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,040
in a Speed Elite prototype. 
And then the the third marathon 

1136
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,160
was in the official Speed Elite.
So yeah, I haven't run a 

1137
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,840
marathon, anything but Skechers 
apparently. 

1138
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,560
But if I had to do that now and 
I was in better shape, one of 

1139
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,160
the top shoes would be a Saucony
and Dorfin Pro 4. 

1140
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,320
And the reason for this is, is 
one of the few stable neutral 

1141
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,840
racers out there. 
I've done a good number of half 

1142
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,040
marathons. 
I ran the Alphafly three with 

1143
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Isabella on the stroller for a 
recent 1, and I don't think I 

1144
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,720
could have gone farther, also 
because I took the heel off and 

1145
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,200
it came off. 
So I need something that's also 

1146
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,840
durable. 
But it started to wobble a 

1147
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,600
little bit toward the end with 
it being so soft. 

1148
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,720
I know this shoe, I know it's 
stable enough. 

1149
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,240
The side walls, the way it's 
designed as it's broken in, it's

1150
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,120
just a good shoe that I can 
trust for long runs. 

1151
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,960
Is it the most aggressive shoe 
out there? 

1152
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,000
Absolutely not. 
And that's probably the why, 

1153
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,120
because I know with the higher 
volume fit, I know that my 

1154
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,520
foot's going to be able to swell
in this shoe. 

1155
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,800
I'm not going to have any issues
and it's still going to would be

1156
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,480
comfortable for me after 
multiple hours being in this and

1157
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,040
trying to run hard. 
Can it still move? 

1158
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,320
Absolutely. 
Does it do really, really well 

1159
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,960
for all that track stuff like 
Andrea said? 

1160
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,840
No. 
But it does really well for 

1161
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,960
tempo reference, long runs and 
long tempos and that's where it 

1162
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,080
shines. 
So that's going to be one of my 

1163
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,240
top ones, even though it's not 
the newest model. 

1164
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,400
Probably the second one that I'm
going to choose is another one 

1165
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
that might be surprising. 
Definitely not the fastest shoe,

1166
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,520
but it's one that I've learned 
to trust over a lot of long runs

1167
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,760
and a lot of up tempo long runs.
Is the New Balance SC Elite 

1168
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,000
version five? 
Once that 4 foot plate has 

1169
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,080
broken in the wider 4 foot and 
that 4 foot medial flare just 

1170
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,760
stabilized me enough that I've 
been totally fine over 1415 

1171
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,280
miles. 
Again, with the extra stress of 

1172
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,200
pushing a stroller, the mid foot
hasn't bothered. 

1173
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,480
I mean too much, although it's I
start to feel it just a little 

1174
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,240
bit with some longer efforts. 
But just because the way the 

1175
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,600
sole is designed, it's not the 
most aggressive thing. 

1176
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,800
There's a mechanism there that 
does work for me. 

1177
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,120
This one and has a little 
lateral bias. 

1178
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,720
This another one, especially 
upper is so comfortable, too 

1179
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,160
little wider forefoot, lighter 
mesh. 

1180
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,080
I know it's going to swell a 
little bit, a little bit more 

1181
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,640
cushion. 
That's the other one that's 

1182
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,440
going to be a top 1 and I wish 
you know, I wish I could say the

1183
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,960
meta speed sky Tokyo. 
It's a really comfortable shoot.

1184
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,200
I just can't confirm it because 
I haven't been able to take it 

1185
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,760
for that long because I'm 
honestly a little scared like 

1186
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,240
even the edge Paris, which I did
a lot of fast 5 KS and I don't 

1187
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,120
know if I would take it that 
long because I just think my 

1188
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,440
mechanics would be able to 
handle that. 

1189
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,240
I think a lot of other people 
though this will be fine, but 

1190
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,200
ironically something that has 
really surprised me recently, 

1191
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,360
especially with an irritated 
Achilles and then doing some 

1192
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,480
workouts in it and feels good no
matter how surprisingly long 

1193
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,000
I've run is going to be this 
Mizuna wave Rebellion Pro 3. 

1194
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,240
Even though it's listed as a low
drop, it feels a lot higher 

1195
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:42,480
drop. 
And so if I wanted to not 

1196
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,000
fatigue as much, this shoe has 
actually done really well and is

1197
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,600
more stable than I thought it 
was going to be. 

1198
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,320
Not stable neutral, but 
definitely a shoe that going, 

1199
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,520
hey, if I'm if I'm going out 
there for what I'm going to be 

1200
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,600
doing over a marathon distance, 
I'm going to be have some 

1201
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,960
consistency and hang on, I'm 
actually going to choose this 

1202
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,720
shoe. 
And so I would not have 

1203
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:05,080
originally done that, but it's 
been growing on me because 

1204
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,400
again, everything half marathon 
down probably going to be the 

1205
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,960
meta speed Sky Tokyo, to be 
honest, and a few other shoes 

1206
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,720
we've got right now that I'm, 
I'm looking forward to trying. 

1207
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,960
But yeah, those would be my 
picks because again, are they 

1208
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,880
the absolute fastest shoes out 
there? 

1209
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,920
No, right. 
The lot of those I wouldn't, I 

1210
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,160
definitely wouldn't choose for 
5K10K half marathon and marathon

1211
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,240
is where that starts to change 
because there's my mechanics 

1212
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,480
trying to go for PR effort. 
I need something that's 

1213
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,080
inherently more stable, and 
that's where it's going to be. 

1214
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,560
Are they still super shoes? 
Yeah, they're all super shoes. 

1215
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,440
Because I'm still looking for 
the fastest thing, the lightest 

1216
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,400
thing that's going to work for 
my mechanics. 

1217
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,520
But Dave and I are going to be a
little bit different, especially

1218
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,720
when David's in really, really, 
really good shape. 

1219
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,840
Yeah, I can totally see you 
cracking out. 

1220
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,360
The meta speed was that that was
Edge. 

1221
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,200
Chokers. 
I think I would, honestly. 

1222
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,360
I'm just not in shape. 
Not. 

1223
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,800
Paris like, yeah. 
It's one of those things where I

1224
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,080
could see it happening. 
I just, yeah, just not right all

1225
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,320
that now. 
Yeah, and all these shoes were 

1226
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,960
designed specifically for that, 
right? 

1227
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,040
They were designed looking at 
faster paces, looking at the 

1228
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:14,120
2322210, you know, below. 
I know the Vaporfly you held up 

1229
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,320
was probably done for that. 
That's not a shoe I would take 

1230
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,000
because for me, I feel like it's
firmer than the last version. 

1231
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,560
It is it yeah. 
The mid foot's too narrow. 

1232
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,360
I think it's a great half 
marathon below. 

1233
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,040
Have I seen a lot of people 
around the marathon for it? 

1234
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,560
Yeah. 
I hope they've done well. 

1235
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,040
It's just not not personally a 
shoe that I would I would take. 

1236
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,320
And I think Nike's in a better 
drought of stratifying the alpha

1237
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,920
fly versus vapor fly versus the 
streak fly 2. 

1238
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,240
Now where the streak fly is like
your mile 5K. 

1239
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,200
That's going to be a great like 
10 K 5K at half marathon. 

1240
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,040
Alpha Fly is going to be the the
half marathon marathon in 

1241
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,520
beyond. 
But that's not an accurate view.

1242
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,400
Hopefully that gave you some 
view into this. 

1243
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,440
And again, I think the thing 
that's kind of key is that all 

1244
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
the shoes were testing. 
Even though these are super 

1245
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,440
shoes for this category, they're
still tried and true. 

1246
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,880
They're still shoes that we have
done marathon type workouts in. 

1247
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,520
We've done long runs in then 
we'd be able to survive and not 

1248
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,560
walk away, you know, destroyed 
because we know, OK, I've got 

1249
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,960
more confidence I can finish in 
them. 

1250
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,440
Are they more aggressive? 
Yes. 

1251
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,440
Are they appropriate for 
everybody? 

1252
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,600
No, because you also have to 
have the experience and the 

1253
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,000
speed to be able to adequately 
use the shoe. 

1254
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,200
If you're not putting putting 
the right amount of force in at 

1255
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,640
the right direction, you're not 
going to get the most out of the

1256
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,760
shoe. 
And you just spend a bunch of 

1257
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,680
money on a shoe that's not 
honestly optimizing you. 

1258
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,880
And you may not it may be 
uncomfortable at a certain 

1259
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,560
point. 
You know, these are none of 

1260
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,640
these shoes or shoes that I 
would wear for four or five 

1261
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,520
hours, to be totally honest, 
right? 

1262
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
That's where some of those other
shoes, especially given the ones

1263
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,960
we talked about, the daily 
training shoes, some of those 

1264
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,400
lightweight trainers, those are 
going to be a better option. 

1265
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,320
So you just have to find not 
only what works for you, but 

1266
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,320
also think about again, did is 
this shoe really designed for 

1267
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,200
where you are in terms of your 
pacing, your speed, your 

1268
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,840
experience, all those kind of 
things? 

1269
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,520
It's not a bad thing to not wear
a super shoe. 

1270
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,440
I haven't worn a suit any one of
these shoes for the last three 

1271
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,800
weeks because I'm like, you know
what, actually this would 

1272
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,360
probably take some pressure off 
my, it might take some pressure 

1273
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,800
off my Achilles tendon, but I 
don't want that because I want 

1274
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,400
to adequately rehab this and I 
want to go to a normal trainer 

1275
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,440
and go how am I actually doing 
and not over stress it because 

1276
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,320
with a lot of tendon injuries is
off topic. 

1277
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,920
You can definitely, when you 
start going faster, that's one 

1278
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840
of the things that really tends 
to irritate them. 

1279
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,640
And these shoes make it really 
easy to go faster, which isn't 

1280
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,440
necessarily good. 
For a healing tendon. 

1281
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,280
So again, figure out what's 
appropriate for you. 

1282
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,960
This is not going to match to 
everyone. 

1283
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,480
This is just a guy to go, hey, 
here's how we approach this. 

1284
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:38,840
Here's how we're thinking about 
this. 

1285
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,360
We hope you learn something from
it. 

1286
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,480
Not every is going to match in 
it. 

1287
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,640
And what we're going to work for
you is going to be completely 

1288
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,200
different probably than the 
person next to you. 

1289
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,160
But we hope you can at least 
learn something about going. 

1290
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,760
Here's where these shoes are 
kind of designed. 

1291
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,560
Here's what you might want to 
think about. 

1292
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,760
And as maybe you move through 
the categories or you move 

1293
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,400
through experience, you discover
it's more comfortable. 

1294
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,360
You for sure upgrade and update,
but take your time, enjoy the 

1295
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,600
models and really make sure that
you're going to get to that 

1296
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,960
finish line because if you don't
finish, the time doesn't count. 

1297
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,600
So you can find us on a variety 
of different platforms, whether 

1298
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,040
you're listening to this on 
Spotify, iTunes, or any of the 

1299
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,160
audio platforms, or you can also
find this live on, not live, but

1300
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,280
you can find the video on 
YouTube in a variety of other 

1301
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,000
areas. 
We also have lots of content 

1302
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,720
coming out across a variety of 
different platforms. 

1303
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,120
The OG platforms always going to
be the web website where we do 

1304
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,880
all of our written reviews, but 
you can also find us doing some 

1305
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,160
interesting stuff on YouTube 
where we talk about variety of 

1306
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,200
other topics. 
And of course, you can see these

1307
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,480
weekly podcasts on that. 
Please let us know as always, if

1308
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,400
you have any questions and 
please let us know if this is 

1309
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,080
helpful because we do this for 
you that we all have our own 

1310
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,960
jobs. 
We are at least one job. 

1311
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,680
This is something we do on the 
side because we are running. 

1312
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,840
We want to help you and figure 
out what works best for you 

1313
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,520
because there's no magic shoe. 
The goal is to help you figure 

1314
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,640
out what works best for you, 
because that's part of the art 

1315
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,360
and the science of talking about
what is on.