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Visit stride.com and see how 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Stride powers your plan to the finish line. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Hey there everybody, and welcome to the Doctors of Running 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,000 podcast where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,160 discussed the art and science of running and the stuff that we 15 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:51,320 put on our feet today at the round table. 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,760 We have the founder of Doctors of Running, doctor Matthew 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,200 Klein, we have Doctor David Salas and we have myself, I'm 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Nathan Brown and we have had some fiery chats going on in our 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,239 private group chats about disagreements about lots of 20 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,440 things, which means that we needed to pull out another this 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,800 or that episode. So we are going to be pitting 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,320 different ideas against each other as well as different 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,880 choose against each other and forcing us to pick between 1:00 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,640 and the other. We may end up agreeing on a lot 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,640 of stuff, but I think it's interesting why we choose what 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,680 we do. But before we get into the this 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,160 or that part of this episode, we do want to talk about what is in 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,720 for testing and what we've got on our feet. 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,400 So this is the in for testing segment. 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,080 This is fueled by scratch labs. If you're looking for some sort 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,000 of in run fueling and recovery options, you can get a lot of 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880 hydration and nutrition stuff from scratch. 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,280 They make some great things, so let's talk about what we've got 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,680 on our feet. Who wants to go first? 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,560 Yeah, I can go first. We just finished up the written 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,720 review today. I don't have it on me. 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,360 Wait, no, not the written review. 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Oh my goodness, silly me. But it's on a glass that just 39 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,440 came out, so you guys are probably already know that. 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,760 But yeah, coming out on our feet for the next week. 41 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,400 I'm going to be a trail boy for the next week. 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,560 So with the launch of the ASIC shoes, I kind of skewed my 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,560 mileage plan. But now we're going to be using 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,480 the Rabbit High Country. We will be doing the Ultra 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Experience Wild. Yeah, Experience Wild too. 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,000 Yep. I almost added a GTR on there 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,760 because it was on the back of the heel tab. 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,200 Oh yeah. And I was like, no, that's not 49 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,800 in the name. It was just yeah. 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,760 And then the Ultra 275°. Yeah, Yep, Yep. 51 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,560 So I'll be a trail boy this week. 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,480 And then when I'm not a trail boy, we'll have the on cloud Boo 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Max. See, I've actually really. 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,600 I like it. I've really liked both of those 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,640 ultra shoes you pulled up. I've ran in both of them and 56 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:56,840 then I hiked in the 275 just to try it out, the Olympus 275 and 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,080 it was fun. I mean, I think it's a little 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,880 firm. It's so high stacked and it's 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,880 just like firm and 0 drop. So take it or leave it if that's 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,840 like your your vibe. But I liked it more for like 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,400 walking than I did for running for that really high stacked 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,640 one. I'll go next. 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,160 I have 3 shoes here. The one that I have the most 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,040 miles in right now is also you just talked about the on cloud 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,280 boom Max. I have an 8 Miller in on the 66 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,640 shoe. I really enjoyed my first one 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,960 because I I've been enjoying the I can. 68 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,520 I can never remember what it's called the expensive trail shoe. 69 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,960 What's that called? On Cloud Ultra Pro. 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Thank you. The Cloud Ultra Pro, I can't 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,960 keep it all straight and I just said I want that shoe with a 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,840 rode outsole and that's not exactly what this is, but it's 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,880 kind of close in my opinion. They did a few things with the 74 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,320 midsole that I'm not a huge fan of. 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,520 I'm trying to show it here where they have this kind of like lip 76 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,240 divot where there's almost this like break in the midsole. 77 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,440 I don't really understand why that exists. 78 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,080 They could have just made it a flush full contact outsole and 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,880 it's a little bit stiffer than the trail model I but I really 80 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,760 enjoyed my miles in this. I think it's very similar in 81 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,960 some ways to the cloud monster hyper, but maybe just a little 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,279 bit more nimble. And so I don't know if they're 83 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,839 going to be continuing this model, but I or if they'll be 84 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,560 continuing the cloud monster hyper. 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,240 But I found, and I know Matt does not like the shoe. 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,720 He's this is one of the shoes we disagree on, but I've I really 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,040 enjoyed the rhythmic nature of this shoe. 88 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,360 I felt like I could get up on the toe easier than the cloud 89 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,240 monster hyper, which is why I call it more nimble. 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,320 It's just easier to get up. That one's just a little bit 91 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,960 more flat. So I'm excited. 92 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,000 I'm actually going to do 8 to 12 in it tomorrow as well. 93 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:47,840 And I'm running with my buddy who runs like a his PR in the 94 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,840 marathon is like a 225 I think. So he's pretty quick. 95 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,000 So his easy pace is my tempo pace. 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,800 So I'll be doing like 12 mile tempo tomorrow. 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,200 So we'll see how it holds up with that. 98 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,400 The other shoes that I got here, I don't have much to say on this 99 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,520 one yet, but it's the Hyperion 3 from from Brooks. 100 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,960 I took a little bit of a jaunt in it. 101 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,800 The upper is pretty snug, like lower volume, but it has a 102 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,480 little bit of stretch to it. I overall like the feel of the 103 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,320 midsole. It's definitely a firmer but 104 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,680 kind of mini pop to it, but I think people who want a pretty 105 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,480 grounded experience will probably like this. 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,880 I'm excited to get more miles in it, but the shaping looks nice. 107 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,080 The foam feels like it's almost there, like it's almost what I 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,080 want to run in, but it's still just a little bit too firm for 109 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,600 me. But excited to get miles in. 110 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,840 I like the tongue on it too. I think the tongue is pretty 111 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,440 nice. It's gusseted stretchy. 112 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,080 It's it's a good time. And then the last shoe is not a 113 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,280 running shoe, but it's the. Yeah, this just came in too. 114 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,000 This this is a shoe. So I wear from zero. 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,160 I wear 0 shoes to work pretty much everyday mixing between a 116 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,720 lot of them. But one of them is the Glenn, 117 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,800 which is kind of this like suede upper kind of casual slightly 118 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,640 dress shoe. And people often ask us like, 119 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,640 what's your favorite dress shoes or whatever? 120 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,560 And zero hit vent on my docket. And now they came out with the 121 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,200 Glen dress. So it's the same model, just 122 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,440 with like a leather out upper. I'm pumped about this shoe. 123 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,240 Same fit, super comfortable. It's nice to have an upscale 124 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,160 option. So when they say they're like, 125 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,360 Hey, we did I know you've liked this shoe in the past. 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,240 He wants to send you. And I'm like, yes, please. 127 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,320 So pumped to pumped be able to wear this for date nights and 128 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,560 fancier days at work when they come. 129 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,240 Matt, what about you? So I've got some similar models. 130 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,480 I haven't got the Glen dress yet, but I also want to plug 131 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,160 that shoe that I've been wearing the Glen for a couple years now 132 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,120 for treating, for teaching, and it's just a great shoe. 133 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 I have an Achilles flare up right now that's calming down 134 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,880 and doing really, really well. And ironically, one of the 135 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,360 things that's been helpful is I stopped wearing traditional 136 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,320 shoes during my normal walking and standing. 137 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,520 And I moved back to 0 shoes, which I normally wear all the 138 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,600 time, but just had another enough stuff going on like I 139 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,920 just even to wear these. And it's really helped with 140 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,800 progressing foot strength. And even though it is a little 141 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,720 bit irritable, my Achilles just getting back to be able to be 142 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,440 barefoot and be able to or not barefoot. 143 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,120 But I having a little bit less shoe has actually been an 144 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,880 interesting progression. So I'm really excited to get the 145 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Glen dress because I start officially classes back again 146 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,000 next week. So got a have something more 147 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,120 formal as I'm teaching some bigger courses. 148 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,280 But the other shoes I'm just going to go right to the odd 149 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,880 clown blue Max that everybody else also has. 150 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,960 I have 40 miles in this shoe and I'm going to say this. 151 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 I'm honestly pretty disappointed in this shoe so far. 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,040 I agree. Nathan hit it on the head that 153 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,000 like if you land farther forward, it's it's great. 154 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 It's got a smoother transition. But despite the heel bevel, 155 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,200 which like looks like it should be good, the rear foot is so 156 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,640 stiff and clunky. Like I was like looking at this 157 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,960 going, how can this be so stiff? It should have a good 158 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,720 transition, but it's just the rear foot has really not. 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,280 It worked for me and I love the fit though the fit is great. 160 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,440 It's got this really nice wide toe box. 161 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,240 It's really comfortable for standing in for walking and the 162 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,600 fit is good. It locks you in. 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,920 I get a little slippage for it, but just it's a lot heavier than 164 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,840 I was hoping for and this one's not as stable. 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,920 It's like stiff in the rear foot. 166 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,760 The side walls are good, but as you hit mid foot 4 foot, it's 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,840 just not as stable and certainly not as bouncy as I was hoping 168 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 for. For a shoe that cost 230 bucks 169 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,360 and has like it's 2:30 for how much of like a super foam 170 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,600 midsole there is it just I think on was on a good track with the 171 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,919 cloud surfer, not the cloud surfer Max and the cloud boom 172 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,120 strike. But this is just like it's not 173 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,240 where I was. So and the cloud, the ultra pro. 174 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,400 I've also running in this shoe. I've over like 60 miles and I 175 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,720 love this shoe and yeah, I it's I I really wish they'd just 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,440 taken the DNA and put a road out sole on it. 177 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,240 Maybe it a little bit lighter because you don't need to a 178 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,120 stick of a tread, but it's just a different shoe. 179 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 The upper, though, is super nominal. 180 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,440 I'm I think if you want a stiffer rear foot and if you 181 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,240 land farther forward this might be good. 182 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,600 But it's also like over 10 oz. Which for a racing shoe, I don't 183 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,600 care what speed. You're. 184 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,680 Going I just don't categorize. Supposed to be a racing shoe for 185 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,680 it's supposed to be a recreational racing shoe, which 186 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,480 I it's not. It's not even like a good, like 187 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,400 a competitive super trainer. To be honest, I I'm not really 188 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,880 sure where this shoe fits to be honest. 189 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,280 I love the upper. I will just. 190 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,760 Say I know Nate and Andrew have both loved it. 191 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Yeah. Yeah, we'll see if I love it. 192 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,640 I have a feeling I'll like it for sure. 193 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,680 At least I've stood around and walked in it. 194 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,400 I do like the upper, but I didn't realize it was a racing 195 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,000 shoe. I almost wanna look that. 196 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,000 Hence the cloud boom. Yeah. 197 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,320 So I think Matt, for you, one of the things is the flaring on 198 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,200 this shoe is bigger laterally than it is immediately in the 199 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,200 rear foot. So I think that's where you're 200 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,480 getting some of that clunkiness and especially with where 201 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,680 exactly where you land, you're going right into that lateral 202 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:09,440 flare. So I think it depends on where 203 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,880 you land in terms of what you'll feel. 204 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,680 I I would agree this doesn't feel like a shoe I'd pull out 205 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,720 for racing if I was a recreational runner. 206 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,280 If I was thinking just to be like comfortable and rhythmic, 207 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,840 maybe yes, there's a lot of shoes that are cheaper than 2:30 208 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,760 that I would go to before this shoe from a value standpoint. 209 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,320 But that's the on tax in some ways, like on is going to put 210 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,760 their price on it. And that's what on is doesn't 211 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,320 mean that I am a fan of that and I wouldn't buy it on my own. 212 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,560 I've said the same thing about the Cloud Monster Hyper, which 213 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,480 David and I have argued about in the past when it came to value. 214 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,960 So but I I I like the experience of running in it, but that price 215 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,080 tag I don't. Do you have any others? 216 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,480 I will say so I pulled it up on their website and this is the 217 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,440 direct summary. So it is a super shoe made for 218 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,120 marathon runners of all levels with responsive Max cushioning 219 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,000 to help you reach the finish line. 220 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,680 So. Yeah, not a super. 221 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,160 I didn't realize that was actually the goal. 222 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,520 I thought I was just a super trainer like a. 223 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,600 Premium shoe I did do. I did do a workout in it. 224 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,720 It was it. I survived. 225 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,680 It was not pleasant, but just kind of a heavier shoe that I 226 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,880 think as Nathan said, getting into like a rhythm. 227 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,960 If you're doing a longer effort and you land a little farther 228 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,520 forward, I think might be a good OK option if you've got money to 229 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,720 burn and you need a wider fit, but the wider fit, again, it 230 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,920 does great. So other shoes we're going to 231 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,760 talk probably a little bit about this, but I've also got the 232 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,640 ASICS Metablast Mega blast. Sorry that I'm running in. 233 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,520 I'm really enjoying in the shoe. This is what I really hope the 234 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Super blast shoe is going to be, but wasn't quite there. 235 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Really enjoy my miles. Very versatile. 236 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,080 I think I've almost got 4050 on it. 237 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,400 Outsole's holding up really, really well and the cushioning 238 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,160 is good. Not as soft as I expected. 239 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,200 And the last one I pulled up just yeah, not as not. 240 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,000 I talked about this for a couple times but man I'm still loving 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,200 the shoe. My wife raced a trail race up 242 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,200 the. Cloud Cloud Boom Ultra Cloud 243 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,600 Ultra. What is it? 244 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,840 Called yeah, the Cloud Ultra Cloud, the on Cloud Ultra Pro. 245 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,080 Yeah, just for the listeners. And I, yeah, I was doing some 246 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,800 stuff at altitude actually, for once had a rare chance to run 247 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,240 without the stroller and it was great climbing. 248 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,600 I really didn't expect the outsole to hold on that well. 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,480 And I would say for super technical stuff, this is not the 250 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,120 greatest option, but for like smoother trails, it's just mild 251 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,600 technicality. It's it's great and so 252 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,320 comfortable and that the name ultra really does do well. 253 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,680 The uppers again, wider. It just rolls really nicely. 254 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:40,320 It's not mushy, but it's not firm. 255 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,000 It just sits very well in the middle. 256 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,560 And it also it held up with me pushing Isabella in the stroller 257 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:51,960 up like I don't know what degree gravel trails up at altitude and 258 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,280 it was still holding on great. So I'm pushing a 60 LB stroller 259 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,160 up and down the mountain. This did great so I'm enjoying 260 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,040 Miles on that. Still. 261 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,880 Well, that's everything. You have something else. 262 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,480 I have one more and I forgot to get this, but I want to give a 263 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,120 shout out as the sponsors scratch because they have a 264 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,840 prototype flavor of their hydration mix that I saw. 265 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,240 And I was like, I have to order this because I'm, I'm curious 266 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,640 now the the caveat is not selling it. 267 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,080 You have to buy $50.00 worth of stuff and then they'll add it on 268 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,240 there. And I'm a sucker. 269 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,840 And so I'm like, I'm definitely going to do this because I want 270 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,000 to, I want to see and I need some stuff anyway. 271 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,120 I want to see what's there, what it is. 272 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,920 And I totally forgot about our our code and didn't use it. 273 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,560 So it is watermelon flavor and it is phenomenal. 274 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:43,400 I've blown through the first bag and a couple couple days and I'm 275 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,920 really, really, really it's awesome scratch. 276 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,640 Please sell it. Is that a? 277 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Confirmed watermelon flavor? Or are you saying that it's 278 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,640 watermelon flavor? It's what, a watermelon? 279 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,320 Says it on the bag, they just don't tell you. 280 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,640 Before you get it says on the bag, yeah. 281 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,240 But yeah, now that there's been enough images, it's like, yes, 282 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,600 it's watermelon. It's really good if you use one 283 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,680 scoop. It's very subtle. 284 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:06,880 And I say this because I really like watermelon juice. 285 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,680 It's just if you. That stuff is so expensive so to 286 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:12,040 have it with good hydration mix is a good better excuse. 287 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,160 Go hey, I want to get this. So yes, I've already made 288 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,760 another $50 purchase just to get. 289 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,840 So this is what cracks me up. Matt enjoys Scratch, obviously. 290 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,400 That's why we've chosen to partner with them. 291 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Our whole team has really enjoyed Scratch. 292 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,120 The reality is we do have a partnership. 293 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,840 Matt, I could just reach out and ask for it for you, but I do. 294 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,240 I also love that you're supporting the company, so good 295 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,640 on you for that. Yeah, well, if you're wanting to 296 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,400 try Scratch, and apparently if you spend $50.00 right now, you 297 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,920 can get this watermelon prototype you can use it's. 298 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,480 Really good, I've done it twice. You can. 299 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,760 Use the code and it's slipped Matt's mind, but the code is 300 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,080 very confusing. Doctors of Running is our code. 301 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Use that code and then you can get 20% off or 25, yeah, 20% off 302 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,560 your your first order. I think as I've used. 303 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,120 Yeah, that's true. You're only a first order. 304 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,720 Yeah, that's true. Right. 305 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,200 All right. So we are going to transition 306 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,720 into our this or that portion of the episode. 307 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,160 And our first question is all about race day. 308 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,720 And so the question is, if you were racing a marathon tomorrow, 309 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,200 let's say you're in shape, would you be choosing a shoe that is 310 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,480 over or under 40mm if you ran a marathon today? 311 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,520 Can I ask some clarifying questions? 312 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Sure. So this is like you're in shape, 313 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,200 but you're about, you're going to go do it. 314 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,480 Yeah, regardless of what you've. Done today, race is tomorrow. 315 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,560 What are you? What are you lacing up? 316 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,480 Marathon. Probably endorphin Elite one. 317 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,920 OK, still going rocking that one. 318 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,240 It's good. Matt, what's your pick over or 319 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,200 under? Assuming I'm actually in shape 320 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,720 yeah, I'm kind of split between this because I'm in a similar 321 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,000 boat to I don't yeah, I'd probably be running with the 322 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,360 stroller, though it is unlikely I'd be doing this without. 323 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:01,000 So I'm not going to be placing super high, but I would be at 324 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,240 least going for it a little bit. So normally right now if you'd 325 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,520 asked me and be like, you just going to go jog it, I would say 326 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,600 that make a blast for sure, because that's been my like she 327 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,040 had kind of done everything in. But if I'm going that distance 328 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,800 and I'm racing and that's the key thing, I'm probably still 329 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,360 gonna take the Endorphin Pro 4, to be honest. 330 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Wow, wow, Rocket X3. Was that your racing? 331 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,080 She was a great when it came out. 332 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,040 The Endorphin Pro 4 No, I think I forget I. 333 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Think you chose one of the meta speeds but not for like as long. 334 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,840 Just in. General Yeah, yeah, yeah. 335 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,160 The Alpha Fly. The Alpha Fly I think was my 336 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,600 long distance thing, but I tore the heel off and now I don't 337 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,840 have 1, so I can't run in that. And I would and it was good for 338 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 1/2, but I don't, I think I still need something a little 339 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,600 bit more stable. The Rocket X3 is not going to 340 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 get me through the marathon. I've learned that it's a great 341 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,560 shoe for like, in my opinion, maybe up to 1/2 marathon. 342 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,720 I probably still wouldn't take it there just because it feels 343 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,640 it's stable, but it's aggressive and it feels lower drop than 344 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,520 it's listed. So I would take the Endorphin 345 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,040 Pro 4 because of all the shoe, they were like stable racing 346 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,440 shoes. That's the one I think I would 347 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,839 trust the most. Knowing that midfoot really 348 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,880 well. I'd have 100 miles on my pair, 349 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,800 so I know what that shoe can do, but I would just need something 350 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,160 stable and trustworthy over that distance and I think I could 351 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,359 still race pretty well in it. Question, yeah, sorry totally 352 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,360 random for trail races, are they enforcing a 40mm stack height 353 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,320 rule? I don't know either. 354 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,240 Somebody let us know if you know, that'd be great. 355 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,040 Yeah, Nathan, what would what would you? 356 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,240 Right now. So I would go. 357 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,440 So technically I'm going. Under I'm choosing over right 358 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320 now. I, I don't see myself lacing up 359 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,680 a super shoe for a marathon anytime soon. 360 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,520 Even if I got in shape for this fall, I would be choosing either 361 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,400 the Super blast or the mega blast right now and both of 362 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,760 those are over. You know, I could even see 363 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,960 myself picking a couple other shoes that are higher stack and 364 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,360 it's not I wouldn't be choosing them because they're higher 365 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,240 stacked. I'd be choosing them because I 366 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,560 really like running long distances in those shoes and 367 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,560 they happen. They happen to be over 40. 368 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,720 I'm basically saying I'm not choosing a super shoe right now 369 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,000 and all the other long run shoes that I like are over 40mm and 370 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,520 they're just not super shoes that don't that. 371 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,080 If I was just going to go run one, I would totally do exactly 372 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,120 what you just said for sure. But if I'm racing this, yeah. 373 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,960 Cool. Well, let's move to our next 374 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,320 one. We are now talking in a similar 375 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,280 category, but we're look, we're talking about long run workouts. 376 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,320 So this would be a run that you're going out for at least I 377 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,360 would let's just put like at least an hour and a half. 378 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,040 You're getting out there for at least an hour and a half. 379 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,920 And part of that is putting in some speed, whether that is some 380 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,640 alternations between marathon and half marathon effort or if 381 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,800 you're putting in like a steady state, just something. 382 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:03,000 And the question is, would you rather choose a super shoe or we 383 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,160 know this term carries some weight to it, but super trainer? 384 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,680 So super shoe or super trainer for a long run workout? 385 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,960 I think it's a yeah, the Super trainer thing's kind of weird 386 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:19,040 because I feel like if we, at least on our team, a lot of 387 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,520 times when we say like quote UN quote super trainer, it's a it's 388 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,360 traditionally been over 40. If he vacs plated usually 389 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,200 heavier. Like I probably just wouldn't 390 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,680 opt for that for a workout at all. 391 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,960 Sure, you know, where like, but I might choose a performance 392 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,320 like a lightweight trainer over a super shoe for that use. 393 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:41,640 With that said, you know, like there are shoes like let's say 394 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,640 the Hyperion or like or like the new Sonic Glass that just came 395 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,440 out. Like there's options out there 396 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,320 that I guess that I guess that technically counts as a super 397 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,840 trainer, but that's a that doesn't count. 398 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,240 I guess like in the grand scheme of this, because most of them 399 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,680 have been slower designed. I would probably just go super 400 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,400 shoe because they're just more responsive, faster fighter, and 401 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,360 have good and good cushioning where most of the ones 402 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,120 previously were kind of heavy and things I wouldn't do 403 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,960 workouts in anyways. But that's starting to change, 404 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,080 you know, like because of things like the Sonic blast and the 405 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,680 mega blast and I don't know, like a lot of the shoes now are 406 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,040 actually pretty responsive and quick. 407 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:29,560 So that that's changing. But like I you wouldn't catch me 408 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,960 in a vomero plus doing a workout, right? 409 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:37,240 Like I don't know I'm. I'm in the Super trainer 410 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,360 category for my pick. I think of shoes and I know we 411 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,360 just This is why I said it's kind of like what do we put in 412 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,080 that category? But like I would rather take the 413 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,080 SC trainer version three out for a long. 414 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,960 Run Workout. I love that shoe for that kind 415 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,320 of. Stuff. 416 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,720 I like it for long runs, but not for workouts. 417 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,280 Right, like I'm. Getting down to 520 pace. 418 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,880 I don't want to be running in an SE trainer. 419 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,840 I think that's the difference is our workouts look so vastly 420 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,960 different. Like my tempo on a long run is 421 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,760 going to be like floating around 7:00 or like 640 at the like the 422 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,040 fast end or maybe 630. And that's very different than 423 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,320 hitting a 520. So I think it's because I am at 424 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,480 that slower pace that I don't need something extremely light 425 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,440 and extremely responsive and I can just turn over. 426 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,680 Like I can turn over the Super Blast, I can turn over the SC 427 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,280 trainer, I can turn over the Deviate 3 from Puma. 428 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,880 Those are ones that I would rather take out than a super 429 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,600 shoe for myself. Matt, what do you say? 430 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,080 I'm going to definitely go with Super Trainer because I've 431 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,600 actually been doing this where I have been avoiding racing shoes 432 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,800 super racers for a week or so now just because of a couple 433 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,480 irritations and injuries that are are have flared up. 434 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,040 And the Super trainers are just so much more stable for me. 435 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,840 And there's just not enough really good stable super racers 436 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,440 out there that when it comes to long runs, a lot of times I will 437 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,880 really struggle and it's a risk that I don't want to take. 438 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,480 And I'd rather run a little bit slower. 439 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,600 And I'm in, I'm in between Nathan and David where, you 440 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,640 know, I can still hit those like 6 minute kind of stuff, But, and 441 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,200 rather at this stage, do them in a super trainer. 442 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,480 And because a lot of them are getting responsible, responsive 443 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,480 enough that I can do that. But just the, the more stable 444 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,880 ride, a little bit better security and confidence. 445 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,000 I'm, I'm taken all the time. The only exception to this is 446 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,600 the SC Elite version 5, which kind of, even though it's very 447 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,840 light, I feel like the cushioning and the way it kind 448 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,840 of it acts is almost like a balance between 2:00. 449 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,240 It's like the like really like that performance. 450 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,720 Yeah, that was probably The only exception to this rule that I've 451 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,120 been able to do some really good long run workouts in it and 452 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,360 walked away really confident. But that's again, that shoe 453 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,880 seems to be designed specifically for the longer 454 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,280 efforts. But I I would not race I don't 455 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,480 think in that shoe. But yeah, so more majority 456 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,720 outside of that with that being the exception recently, Super 457 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,040 trainers for sure. Great. 458 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,880 All right, this next one is about what you would choose to 459 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,000 do on any given day when it comes to your run. 460 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,280 So let's say it's middle of summer. 461 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,520 You're living in, hypothetically, South Carolina 462 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,360 or Houston, TX You know, Columbia, super humid. 463 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,720 And it's a super hot, humid day in the morning or in the midday. 464 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,240 Colombia. Yeah. 465 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,320 And. Specifically Houston not not 466 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,680 mentioning, not mentioning any specific. 467 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,560 May not have a guardian. We may not have BJ or Bach. 468 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,320 You know who helped edit release this broadcast? 469 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,160 We live in those two specific places. 470 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,960 But yeah, it's super hot, super humid, and you have the option 471 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,640 between that and jumping on a treadmill for your hour, hour 15 472 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,840 run that you got that day. What are you picking? 473 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,040 If it's over an hour, I'm going outside. 474 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,280 That's a long time to be on a treadmill. 475 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,880 OK, I was. Like wait a minute, what's the? 476 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,960 Like I feel like if it was 30 minutes or under, like if I was 477 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,160 just going out for a few miles, I might choose treadmill. 478 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,520 But if it's if it's longer than that, I'm going to start having 479 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,920 mind games with myself on that hamster wheel. 480 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,320 Like, I just don't think it would be very good for me to be 481 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,880 on the treadmill longer than that. 482 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,520 Yeah, if there wasn't a forced reason to, like if you were in 483 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,160 like Colorado and everything's frozen outside and you can't go 484 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,760 out because it's Blizzarding, like, OK, of course to the 485 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,240 treadmill. But like, I also come from an 486 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,240 area now not as humid, but like very, very high temperatures and 487 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,400 hot in the summer times when I was growing up. 488 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840 And like I would run in 100° weather, it was fine. 489 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,480 So I I will choose outside. So my day yesterday was I was 490 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,400 doing a different kind of workout because I'm I'm flirting 491 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,320 with the idea of doing this 50K in a couple weeks as long as my 492 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,280 body holds together. I have a few like little 493 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,400 niggles. Have you registered? 494 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,760 No, but the registration closes two days before the race. 495 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,120 So I'm waiting until two days before the race to register. 496 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,680 OK, but I I decided to do this different kind. 497 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,680 Of I do the same thing. In my in my basement. 498 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,560 So I was on the elliptical on the trainer and I would do that 499 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,120 for 25 or 10 minutes depending. And then I would go like do 500 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:25,000 stairs for 5 minutes straight and just back and forth for two 501 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,240 hours. And I thought I would hate it. 502 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,200 And I didn't hate it that much, partly because I turned on a a 503 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,680 documentary of college football documentary Pony Excess. 504 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,760 Has anyone seen that about SMU football? 505 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Super good. I'm not a college football guy. 506 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,000 That's true. It's fine, everything is fine. 507 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,200 But I did that. I enjoyed it a lot more. 508 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,440 But even with that, I'm choosing to go outside. 509 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,920 Like if I have the option to be out, I know I make that decision 510 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,480 in winter. On the on the opposite end of 511 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,440 the spectrum, if it's -20 I'm outside, I just. 512 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,000 Oh yeah, I forgot Wisconsin gets pretty cold in the winter, huh? 513 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,000 Yeah, it does. Yeah. 514 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,120 So I get used to that. I never. 515 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,000 Think of Wisconsin as a cold place. 516 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040 Yeah, I feel like you're just trolling me. 517 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,440 Yeah. So whenever I watch Green Bay 518 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,040 Packers football, it's always sunshine and rainbows, right? 519 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,120 Like. So happy. 520 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,200 That's a good time. Yeah, I'm going outside too, for 521 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,720 sure. Matt, what about you? 522 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,840 I would I there's a couple factors that are going to 523 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,680 influence my decision. And I say this as someone who is 524 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,920 very like dry heat, like Southern California, David, I 525 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,440 totally agree. I got used to it. 526 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,160 It's fine When you get hot and humid, that's very, very 527 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,720 different. I will say a lot of Southern 528 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,240 California and even, you know, I didn't really run with fluids 529 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,800 coming to Oregon, though, our summer's been fairly warm and 530 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,360 really humid to the point where like even easy runs, I'm taking 531 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,240 electrolyte fluids with us because I can't deal with doing 532 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,920 a decent easy run and then feeling lightheaded the rest of 533 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080 the day because and I and I hydrate and eat before every 534 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,080 single run. Like I don't do fasting. 535 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,520 I don't, I don't run an empty stomach even early in the 536 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,680 morning. I got to have something there. 537 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,760 I got to have fluids and maybe it's 'cause I'm pushing a 538 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,080 stroller, but it would really depend on how hot and how humid. 539 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,400 There may be a point, especially if I have things I need to focus 540 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,920 on the rest of the day, where I might go. 541 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,080 I might have to do this inside just because I've become very 542 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,600 sensitive to the combination of heat and humidity and I, I will 543 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,640 just be fog brain the rest of the day. 544 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,040 Cold. I don't have as much of a 545 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,480 problem with like I even, you know, up in the mountains where 546 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,040 it's been like 0° and Wisconsin does get colder that maybe I'm 547 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,280 talking on my rear end, but I, I can handle it a lot. 548 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,120 Can you run in 0? Degrees I have run in 0° up in 549 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,680 the mountains and as long as like if you got the right layers 550 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,800 on you're smart about it. You're not out there for hours. 551 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,280 I feel like to me, physiologically, I have a, a 552 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,240 less, less of a difficult time with that than the hot, hot, 553 00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:00,680 humid, like the 95 plus humidity and like over 90° that I've had 554 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,480 some really bad experiences where I'm like, I can't think 555 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,400 the rest of the day and I'll get some GI responses later and 556 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,360 going, oh, that was beyond my capacity. 557 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,000 So more often than, yeah, more often than not, I'm going to go 558 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,480 outside. But I think there's a limit to 559 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,640 where I'm going, you know, might want to do. 560 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,320 You feel like that limit is where everyone else's limit 561 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,160 would be though? Like where they're like, this is 562 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,240 a little extreme. I don't think I'm going to go 563 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,680 outside. You mean like for a cold or hot? 564 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,040 Yeah, like just in general, right? 565 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,240 Like if. It's I think that's just. 566 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,000 For low, you're probably not going outside most of the time. 567 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,320 Most of the time, yeah, probably not. 568 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,120 But I think the, but the questions about the hot and 569 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,400 humid stuff, I think it really depends on can you, are you able 570 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,680 to take fluids with you? Are you able to get them in a 571 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,920 decent time? Can you tolerate that stuff? 572 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,400 And even after a summer of this, my tolerance isn't super great. 573 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,400 And I am really looking forward to some rainy winter, which if 574 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320 my wife hears that, she's going to hate me, but that's OK. 575 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,080 So more often than I'm going to go outside. 576 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,080 But there's now this like, little asterisk there. 577 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Yeah. We always, we always say you can 578 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,880 always put more on in the winter, but you can only take so 579 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,560 much off before you're having problems in the summertime. 580 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,720 All right, let's move to our next question. 581 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,440 So we're back to shoes. So stick with me as I paint the 582 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,880 picture of this hypothetical. You have the opportunity to buy 583 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,680 one of two shoes. They cost the exact same amount. 584 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,760 One of them, you get guaranteed top performance out of that shoe 585 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,400 for 250 miles. It's a super shoe for racing. 586 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,240 The other shoe which cost the same, you're guaranteed to get 587 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,960 100 miles of top production or performance out of the shoe. 588 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,520 The shoe that you only get the 100 versus the 200 is you're 589 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,200 like, you know that you physiologically respond amazing 590 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,200 to it. It is like the top tier super 591 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,280 shoe that you are a super responder to where is the 250 592 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,880 mile shoe that with a little bit more durability has a bit lower 593 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,800 performance than the other one. So it's basically how much are 594 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,240 you going to trade off and get that top performance for less 595 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,720 miles or a little bit less performance with 4 miles. 596 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,320 The the cost of the shoe is the same and then you get to 597 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,160 determine what creates the value. 598 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,320 Which one you picking? I'm going to take the 599 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,200 performance just because I tend to not use those shoes anyways 600 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,040 when I'm doing a lot of my workouts until right before the 601 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,680 race. If I already know I like it and 602 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,520 I respond well to it, I'm not going to wear it. 603 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,120 I already know it's going to go well, so I'll just save it and I 604 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,680 don't beat up shoes anyways. So you get 100 quality miles and 605 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:43,320 then but maybe 50 miles to 100 more miles at like maybe 75% 606 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,240 return, whatever. That's still pretty darn good. 607 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,360 So I think I'm going to go with that one. 608 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,560 So, Nathan, if I understand you are guaranteeing me 100 miles, 609 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,240 not Matt miles. When the miles comes off, you 610 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,800 get 100 miles, you get 100 miles. 611 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,720 Well, I I'm also going to have to pick the high performance one 612 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,520 because actually 100 miles. That is durable. 613 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,840 It's really good. I don't know if client's ever 614 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,680 gotten 100 out of a racing shoe. Yeah. 615 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,360 There's there's only a couple. I mean, so there are a couple of 616 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,960 the Endorphin Pro 4 actually did very, very well and I got like 617 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,560 150 miles actually on that shoe that's done very well. 618 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:23,440 The A6 meta speed edge Paris, oh gosh, Paris is another one 619 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,440 that's got in the 150 range and it crushed it. 620 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,840 But that was also like I responded very, very well to 621 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,640 that shoe cloud boom strike survived that far, but a lot of 622 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,840 other shoes have not not even come close. 623 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,640 So I would say if I get 100 miles out of the high 624 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,360 performance, shoot for me, this is biased, but that's actually 625 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,120 pretty, pretty good. Now, if I'm not in a top 626 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,760 performance shape, I'm probably going to take. 627 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240 And if I didn't, if I wasn't lucky enough to have a lot of 628 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,960 stuff to test and a lot of stuff come through here, I actually 629 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,720 might take the 251 just from the longevity because these things 630 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,920 are getting better. The cost is just out of control. 631 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,520 But I think for into being in the fortunate position that we 632 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,080 are, I'm going to probably take for and for being more 633 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,720 performance minded, I'm going to take the 100 mile because that 634 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,560 actually sells. Yeah, even with the cost in 635 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,000 consideration, I think like I'm still performance because I just 636 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360 don't wear them that much. So like that's 4 marathons worth 637 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,280 roughly. Like I'm not, it's going to take 638 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,520 a minute for me to get that anyways. 639 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,800 So right. I what if it was 50? 640 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200 Like what if it was 50 versus 150? 641 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,640 I will say first I'm I'm. On the other side answered yet 642 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,280 so. I should say I'm I'm easily 643 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,240 getting 250 miles out of a shoe that's pretty good for me. 644 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,600 I, I mean like over for me that's like over twice the 645 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,040 value. And I think it's because I'm not 646 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,040 trying to hit anything like the, the closest thing I could think 647 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,160 of for why would I pay more for that guaranteed performance 648 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,760 boost? And it would be qualifying for 649 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,640 Boston, which I haven't done. And I think it's kind of a long 650 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,720 shot for me in general. But what if you did? 651 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640 But that that's like the one thing and I was like, I don't 652 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,720 think I would want the scales to tip because of the shoe. 653 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,800 So I would rather take over double. 654 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,480 I'd rather take over double. Get my money's really worth out 655 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,120 of the shoe because I'm still getting some benefit. 656 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,480 So I'd I'd go that way. But y'all, y'all need to think 657 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,120 about the 50 versus 250, I guess basically. 658 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,360 For 50 versus 150, I feel like if it's two. 50 and the 1:50 if. 659 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,640 It's 50 versus 250. I'm going to go 250. 660 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,920 Well, yeah, if it's even if it's 50 versus 150, I'm picking. 150 661 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,120 because 50 is not very far. Because I've I've had too many 662 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,640 shoes that blow out at like 30-40 fifty miles. 663 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,080 I'm like, it's really disappointing. 664 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,160 Yeah, I don't care. I think 100 gets me. 100's good. 665 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,480 I think 100's good. That's probably the tipping 666 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,000 point there where it's like, I'm definitely taking the 100. 667 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,200 But if it's fifty, especially with how much these cost these 668 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360 days, I don't know if I'm gonna. I don't know if I could bite. 669 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,480 You know, Nathan, I'm actually gonna change my answer right 670 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,680 now. I'm going 250. 671 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,960 And why is that? I'm in the same boat where I'm 672 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,880 enjoying my running right now and I don't have any goals. 673 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,880 My goals the last several years has been to support my wife with 674 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,840 whatever she's training for. And right now it's just 675 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080 surviving pushing the stroller. And if I can get a race and 676 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,320 survive I'm I'm happy. Like I I raced the Bowerman 5 KA 677 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,320 couple weeks ago and got crushed by another stroller Dad and I 678 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,840 was just like, I'm just happy to be out here and to still be able 679 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,719 to do this. So yeah, I might. 680 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,800 I think if we didn't have what we had, it would it would be the 681 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,199 250 mile. And you wouldn't mind another 15 682 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:43,159 seconds off that 5K that? Would have beat the other. 683 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,679 This is Matt's coping strategy. I didn't run that one. 684 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,719 It's coping strategy. He's like, I mean, the questions 685 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,639 about performance, you know, I don't, I don't care either right 686 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,000 now. I haven't raced since, what, 687 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,000 November? Like I'm not really racing right 688 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,840 now and if anything it's very recreational. 689 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,880 But if the question is for performance, I still mean 690 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,040 performance. It's great. 691 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,760 I'm moving us to our next question. 692 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,440 This is looking at trends that we're seeing in some cases and 693 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,440 which way we prefer it. So the question is, would you do 694 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,680 you prefer when companies update their models yearly or if they 695 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,800 update on a bi annual or every two years basis? 696 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,200 So for example the ride 17 comes out in 2023, the ride 18 comes 697 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,120 out in 2024, ride 19/20/25. Do you prefer that yearly update 698 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,440 or you have a year in between before companies send their 699 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,880 update? Can I cheat on this one? 700 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,800 Oh, you get 1 Mulligan? Sure, go for it. 701 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,920 One Mulligan. I don't know. 702 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,360 Mulligan is the wrong term, but you get a Mulligan. 703 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,480 Do you all know what a Mulligan is like in golf? 704 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440 If you swing and you like. Like a mobilization, not a 705 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,560 Mulligan. I run. 706 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,920 Why would I know golf? Because it's just a common term, 707 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920 people, if you hit a shot. I've never heard that if. 708 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,000 You hit a shot and it goes in the water. 709 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,920 Sometimes when you're bad at golf like me, I golf once every 710 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,280 couple years. But like I'll hit it in the 711 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,720 water and we'll say OK once, one time in your 9 rounds you get to 712 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:13,520 do it over. So a Mulligan is a do over, 713 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520 which is not actually the appropriate term for what we're 714 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,560 talking about here. But you get one cheat. 715 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,200 Sure, go ahead, let's move forward. 716 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,160 Doesn't matter. Was that an honor of like Happy 717 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,840 Gilmore to do something like, what the heck are we doing? 718 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,160 People, I can't believe y'all don't know what a Mulligan is. 719 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,880 I hope that people back me up on this. 720 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,400 I hope that people back me up on. 721 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,000 This dude I I just finished writing a book chapter and I'm 722 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,360 developing orthopedic courses from scratch. 723 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,080 I'm going to think mobilization with movement. 724 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,720 Yeah, but I you can know. Loki I thought Mulligan like PT 725 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,160 Mulligan too. I was like, wow. 726 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,320 I was like, have I just heard something like I I literally 727 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,840 thought like, yeah, the Aussies are up to some weird stuff, man. 728 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,520 I don't. Like in the comments section for 729 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440 those who either message us or comment on YouTube or wherever 730 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,280 and go did did that makes just so we know so we can know if 731 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,000 David and I are totally off base and Nathan's it's rate or. 732 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,720 I feel pretty, I feel pretty confident that people understand 733 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,480 the term Mulligan. I would say at least easily more 734 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,680 than 50% of people, but. If you made it this far, this. 735 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,240 Yearly updates or biannual updates? 736 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,960 But do I get my cheat? Yeah, you get your cheat. 737 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,040 I don't mind annual updates as long as they're actual updates. 738 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000 Like I feel like as long as it's like a true update and they're 739 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,920 moving forward and this is like, OK, this is a step up from the 740 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,200 previous version, then yeah, go for it. 741 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520 But a lot of times they just roll out a tiny minimal change 742 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,320 that really isn't that. Yeah. 743 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,120 And it's not always the most noticeable. 744 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960 I mean, some of them have been. If it truly is and it's like, 745 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200 let's say it's an upper change, but it entirely changes the 746 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,720 experience under foot, then sure. 747 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,720 But like, I think you have to look at the experience of it and 748 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,600 like, is this an actual improvement upon the previous 749 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,720 model? And if it is, then go for it. 750 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,440 You can do it annually forever, I don't care. 751 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,240 But if it's the minimal changes that I'm not really going to 752 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,480 notice. And now the price is $5 more 753 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480 than it was the year before, I'm going to be like, ah, I don't 754 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,480 like that right. So I, I think as long as they're 755 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,760 actually updating the shoe, I'm good with it. 756 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440 So whether it's year, 2 years, I think in most situations I'm 757 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,800 probably going to lean too so that they actually update it. 758 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,560 But I'm. Not going to. 759 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,720 Yeah, I'm not going to cheat. So I'll pick my answer and I'm 760 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,040 going to say it every two years and. 761 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,080 He's just mad about the moles. I'll say every two years for a 762 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,840 few reasons. One is the same that you were 763 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,920 saying, David. I think it gives the development 764 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,120 teams time to create a change that's important for the shoe. 765 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,040 That doesn't mean overhauls every two years. 766 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,760 I don't think that would be a good pattern. 767 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,280 I think that you need shoes that stay consistent. 768 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,120 But actually I, and I don't know what I'm about to say to be 769 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,280 true, but in my mind it would make sense that you could have a 770 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,640 have a lot more sustainable development processes when it 771 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,920 comes to two years because you won't just flood the market with 772 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,440 a bunch of new shoes and then have a bunch hanging over. 773 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,200 So maybe there's a chance to understand the buying habits and 774 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,200 source the shoe to market in a way that they know it's going to 775 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,600 sell. That would be my hope is that 776 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,760 you're you're be able to be more sustainable with the production 777 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,480 side of the footwear if you're waiting on a 2 year cycle and 778 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,640 you're not just pumping the market with new shoes all the 779 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,000 time. I'd be curious to see an 780 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,880 international take on that because we do live in America 781 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,480 where new is better. And I feel like by rolling out 782 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,240 new constantly, people are buying constantly. 783 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,520 Like it is a way to kind of create more sales in some ways. 784 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,840 I'm not saying sustainable from a sales standpoint. 785 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640 I'm saying sustainable from an environmental standpoint of like 786 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,600 not. Do the companies care that much 787 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,280 about that? I'm, I don't, I'm not saying 788 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,080 that. I'm just saying. 789 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080 That's 20% of recycled material in your tongue. 790 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,000 That's why I like it. So let me just let me jump in on 791 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,400 this because I actually have some inside knowledge on this. 792 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,080 So if you are a large company like Nike, Adidas, a lot of 793 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,800 times they don't always care because they have so much 794 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,160 revenue and stuff. They can sometimes roll out 795 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,160 things every year, but if you notice a lot of them are not 796 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560 right, they're not giving you. Oh, we're exactly going to 797 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,120 update this in a year. If you look at a lot of the 798 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,600 racing models and even some of the trainers, it's not a 799 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,080 consistent every year process because to develop a shoe. 800 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,600 Takes a lot of time and you can see what happens sometimes when 801 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,480 it's rushed and think they haven't gotten through. 802 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,080 They're just trying to get something to market. 803 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400 And then what Nathan said is it does flood the market. 804 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,000 And so now instead of being able to actually profit and go, we've 805 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,320 had this shoe on the market for long enough at its full price 806 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,720 where we can actually recover some of the costs and make sure 807 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,360 we get this. What ends up happening is that 808 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,560 you put the new mall out, the old one has to go on sale. 809 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,000 Like this is something that ASICS kind of like with the 810 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,040 racing models people have been really annoyed about were like a 811 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,360 lot of the racing models from ASICS, even the old version 812 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,760 doesn't go on sale, right, Even though it and they're coming out 813 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,080 pretty much yearly. Some of the other stuff they 814 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040 don't because they want to recuperate some of the costs. 815 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560 And if anybody from ASICS want to tell me I'm wrong, fine. 816 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,320 But I know first hand from talking to a couple other 817 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,200 companies and I'm not going to mention the names is they 818 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,600 actually are struggling with this where when they put put out 819 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,000 the new model, there's a lot of hype from influencers in the few 820 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,120 people that actually can put out full price stuff. 821 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,480 But most people, the majority of sales are happening once the new 822 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,720 model comes out and that one goes on sale, that's when the 823 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,520 majority of people are buying it, especially in today's market 824 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,080 where this stuff is so expensive. 825 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,160 And then people, if life's not cheap, right? 826 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,720 If you are able to afford a mortgage, it's taking it's 827 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,640 taking you out. You know, rent is really 828 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,720 expensive, groceries really expensive, child care is 829 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,880 expensive. So people are having to cut back 830 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,920 on consuming or at least be a lot smarter about it. 831 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,520 Where and the companies confirm most of the sales of a product 832 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,040 are not happening when it first comes out or the first little 833 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,760 bit. It's happening when it goes on 834 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,440 sale because people are smarter. And I would argue that I would 835 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,200 say the two, even though what that would mean for us is that 836 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,200 we would have less stuff to view, which because we do this 837 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,480 because I want people, we all want people to have make better 838 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,800 decisions about what they put on their feet. 839 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,000 We do this on the side. This is not our main business. 840 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,800 I totally agree that a two year cycle would be good if the 841 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,800 companies would take time to really go. 842 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,800 Let's make sure that what we're about to put out that's at full 843 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680 price is really good. We've gotten the time to do our 844 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,520 research to go. Do we need to have an update? 845 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,040 What does that update need to do look like? 846 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,000 Have we really taken the time to get people out there and get 847 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000 miles on them and not just get the initial impressions that 848 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,360 most like influencer stuff and that initial hype will happen. 849 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,280 But can we take the time for long term reviews to really 850 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,160 settle and go where do we want to go? 851 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,200 Because that stuff, it takes time and you cannot rush it. 852 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,560 And we've seen what happens when you rushed up. 853 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,440 All of a sudden you get a mid year release going. 854 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,600 Wait, didn't that just come? Oh, you guys didn't produce what 855 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,560 you wanted? And if you just waited and done, 856 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,840 maybe that would have been different. 857 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,680 But maybe throwing stuff out to get a little hype model would 858 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,800 have been great. But and there's a whole other 859 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,560 industry. There's a whole other concept of 860 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,320 the marketing that I don't understand that there's I'm sure 861 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,400 there's timing and marketing and like periods that you do, But I 862 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,240 think these shoes take three to five years to develop if you're 863 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,760 going to do it really well. So like where we're talking 864 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,200 about right now. Let's let's talk let mega blast, 865 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,280 right, This shoes been in development for three to five 866 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,640 years, right. They've been talking about this. 867 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,120 And if you talk to a lot of developers, they're going to go, 868 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,560 Oh, that just came out, that hasn't been out for three years, 869 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,280 like because they've, they're now working on projects three 870 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,360 years from now. So I, I totally agree with with 871 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,360 you guys that I think 2 years fine, because if it means that 872 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,720 the product that's coming out is a true improvement, it's not 873 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,200 just on a small upper update that's now full price. 874 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,280 I think that's, I think that's a, a better option unless you 875 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,200 can prove to me that there's something that I don't know that 876 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,480 things are now fast enough that yearly can see the updates that 877 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,320 are necessary. But I'm seeing a lot of 878 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,080 companies move away from the yearly stuff. 879 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,880 And I think there's a reason because both making enough money 880 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,680 from the shoes as well as like, do we have time to actually 881 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,480 develop it the way we want is, is just how it goes. 882 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,080 And to not flood, you know, warehouses because you, you see 883 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,400 a bunch of these larger companies go where do we put 884 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,880 this product? Now we have to pay to actually 885 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,320 store it while the new stuff comes in. 886 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,680 We got to get rid of the stuff and that bleeding money. 887 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,200 So unless you can write that off in a way I don't know. 888 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,080 All right, here we go. We're going to the next one. 889 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,080 We're going into two different. I'm sorry. 890 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,400 Here it goes too much. We're going into some shoe 891 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,120 questions. This is just buying one or the 892 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,560 other. That's all it is. 893 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,160 So these are shoes that are just coming out. 894 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,240 So we are just going to continue to talk about them a little bit 895 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:48,920 because we're all testing them right now. 896 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,960 This or that Mega Blast or Super Blast? 897 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Oh Mega blast. Hands down, hands down. 898 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,480 It is. It is. 899 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,120 Sorry, go ahead. Should I rant again? 900 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,960 Heel transitions better, right? There's not as much of that 901 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,440 posterior flare and the bounce in midsole just transitions 902 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,120 better. Upper fit is better. 903 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,480 It's a little snug, but it's not as like tapered as the 904 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,280 supervisor killed my SO I I the Super blast 2. 905 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,040 I did not like the four foot fit. 906 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,640 I like the mega blast fit the ride and the transition a lot 907 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,400 better. Now super blast does get better 908 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:32,560 after like 7580 miles, but I just the the tapering of the tow 909 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,480 box is so much less and the midsole is just a little bit 910 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,880 bounced here that the mega blast is such a better option. 911 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,720 But I only have 50 miles on these, so we're going to have to 912 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,880 see how the outsole hangs on and everything else. 913 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,080 So so far, mega blast. David, what do you think? 914 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,800 I'm gonna go Mega Blast, but for different reasons. 4 foot's a 915 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,640 little bit wider. It's nice. 916 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,960 I think it's a little bit more spacious. 917 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,960 So those that had kind of problems with the narrow toe box 918 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,600 of the Super Blast, well, the volume's lower. 919 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,320 The volume's lower, yeah. It does narrow float right? 920 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,360 I'll say I'll speak by piece later. 921 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,920 The volume is a little bit lower, the upper feels a little 922 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,400 bit more performance oriented on the Mega Blast, a little bit 923 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,400 more than it probably should in my personal opinion. 924 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,520 I did kind of an AB test of the Mega Blast, Sonic Blast and 925 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,840 Super Blast next to each other. Just my parking lot over here, 926 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,760 you know, But like before we recorded today and I'm like the 927 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,280 lockdown. It is a good lockdown. 928 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,640 It's a nice upper. I have nothing bad to say about 929 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,160 it, but it feels like it's a little faster than they kind of 930 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,200 meant it to be. And that tongue's a little thin, 931 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,200 like the places bite a little bit. 932 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,720 It's not problematic. It's still in the acceptable 933 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,680 range like. You chose this shoe and you're 934 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,560 saying all the things that you don't like about it, but. 935 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,200 What I do like about it is I think the heel transitions 936 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,800 better. I felt like the Super Blast was 937 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,440 a little bit shanky when it came off of that heel, and then 938 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,960 cushioning was great. It was kind of like that firm, 939 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,600 just structured balance that you would get out of the Super Blast 940 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,200 and it was great for long mileage. 941 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200 I feel like you still kind of get that in the Mega Blast where 942 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,720 it's just a little bit more compliant and that heals a 943 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:14,120 little bit more, but just transitions a little bit better. 944 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,960 I don't think it's rockered any more than the other one. 945 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,160 I think the foam just compresses a little bit more and so it just 946 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,560 feels like that transitions a little smoother, like it lines 947 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,720 up better with the rocker they already have and then that 948 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,640 forefoot, it's just a little bit more lively. 949 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,960 You know, I think not that the Super blast wasn't it just felt 950 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,080 very, I don't know, it felt like my easy long run day shoe. 951 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,560 However, the mega blast still feels like that easy long run 952 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,040 day shoe that can just pick it up a little bit more and just 953 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,280 has a little bit more life to it. 954 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,760 And so it's a little bit more compliant. 955 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:53,360 I, I don't know, it still feels Super Blast adjacent to me. 956 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,080 I think they are different, but I feel like you probably could 957 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,000 have justified Mega Blast being a Super Blast three. 958 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,240 I do feel that way. I know that they feel like 959 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:10,280 they're separate lines, but it Mega Blast is really nice and I 960 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,600 do think it improves upon the Super Blast 2. 961 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,840 I know it's not Super Blast 3 and I know I to my knowledge 962 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,320 they're not going to discontinue the line. 963 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,840 I think there will be a Super Blast three. 964 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,960 There will be, but I think the Mega Blast is better. 965 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,160 I think there's a couple of things that I'm like, I don't 966 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,840 know if this fully aligns with the goals, but I like the shoe. 967 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,440 If I'm comparing those two shoes, I think especially at the 968 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,080 same price point, which they roughly are. 969 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,320 They're not $25 different. Wait, is it? 970 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,880 Oh, it's 225 to 2200. Yep. 971 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,600 For some reason I thought Super blast was 225. 972 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,400 I don't know why it. Used to be it started. 973 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,760 OK, got it. Got it started. 974 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,040 It's 2:25. Yeah, but it for the 25 bucks, 975 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920 I'm going to go Mega Blast. I think it is nicer in most 976 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,080 ways, even though like the fit's nicer. 977 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,560 So like fit transition. I yeah, it's nice. 978 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,400 I like the Mega Blast. I'm going to go Mega Blast. 979 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,080 It's going to be a nice long run, easy day shoe that can turn 980 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,640 it up a little bit. I don't know if I choose it for 981 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,560 workouts personally, but I wasn't choosing the Super Blast 982 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,840 for workouts. So yeah, but I could probably go 983 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,840 a little bit faster in the Mega Blast and I could go in the 984 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,120 Super Blast. Nice. 985 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,200 I'm so excited to hear what. Yeah, I mean, I've loved testing 986 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,040 out the Mega Blast, but I right now with where I'm at, I would I 987 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,760 would pick the Super Blast too. And part of that is just the 988 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,880 proven nature of it for myself. I have a lot more time in the 989 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,080 shoe. I know people who've gotten tons 990 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,960 of miles on it without it wearing out. 991 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,880 Right now I like having a little bit more stability. 992 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,520 I I think that the Mega Blast is a little unstable, a little 993 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,080 wobbly, very true neutral shoe. It's not unstable, it's just 994 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,680 neutral, whereas this is more stable neutral. 995 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,120 And I think that with the type of training, the versatility I 996 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,040 could get out of these $200, the durability that's proven, I 997 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,840 would take the Super Blast for those reasons. 998 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,240 I also have very different, maybe not different experiences 999 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,000 with it when it comes to the four foot fit than you guys. 1000 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:06,440 I feel like the Mega Blast fits shorter than the Super blast 2 1001 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,400 does. The taper is there, but then 1002 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,440 it's also lower volume so it makes it feel even. 1003 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,280 Lower volume. Yeah. 1004 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,840 And then I'd say the width is pretty similar, but there's more 1005 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,880 accommodating stretch in the Super Blast 2. 1006 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,360 So I like the fit better from a trainer standpoint on the Super 1007 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,600 Blast 2. And as much as I love the Mega 1008 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,640 Blast, if I had to pick between, I'm going with the Super Blast 1009 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,200 2. All right, the other two shoes 1010 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,360 that we're going to talk about are the new Sonic Blast. 1011 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,640 Yeah, you said mega blast for sure. 1012 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,440 Client opened. Yeah. 1013 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:35,160 Yes. And then we got Meg. 1014 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,520 Sorry, Sonic Blast or the Nova Blast? 1015 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,000 The Sonic Blast is positioned as this kind of up tempo trainer of 1016 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,200 the Nova Blast and I'll go first on this one. 1017 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,000 I'm picking the Nova Blast 100 times out of 100. 1018 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,520 There's no secret that made. I'm not going to belabor my 1019 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,040 answer if you've listened to us or anything that I've put out on 1020 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,960 these. I did not agree with the Sonic 1021 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,680 Blast at all. Just slappy down the road, slap 1022 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,560 slap slap. So I'm definitely going Nova 1023 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,880 blast. Love it as a trainer. 1024 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,400 Plus the price point is like $30 cheaper because it's 180 for the 1025 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,960 Sonic and 1:50 for the Nova blast. 1026 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,480 So I love the Nova blast. I'll get that for a trainer. 1027 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,640 What do y'all think? Do I only have this shoe and 1028 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,400 only this shoe, or do I have another racing shoe in the 1029 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,040 quiver? That's that's a good question. 1030 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,120 Let's say this is the only shoe you got. 1031 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,600 If it's the only shoe I got, we're going with the Sonic Blast 1032 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,880 baby. It's so much faster on the four 1033 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,080 foot. I love the four. 1034 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,240 Foot. That's a. 1035 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,680 That's a key term right there. Yes, yes, the heel could be 1036 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:49,040 better, but if I was to raise a 5K to have the fool like for an 1037 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,920 up tempo long run, like I actually really like the Sonic 1038 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,760 blast, the heel could be better. It's not as good at easy paces. 1039 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,160 It can be a little shanky kind of how I describe the Super 1040 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,440 blast too, even more so. I think it's about the same 1041 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,600 stack, but there's that three quarter length plate and that 1042 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,520 mid foot's really stiff. Even though it's a feedbacks 1043 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,240 plate, there's still a good amount of stiffness in there. 1044 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:13,960 So if you're transitioning well over that heel midfoot and then 1045 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,480 rolling off that 4 foot, it's a great shoe. 1046 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,680 I think it's fun. I actually like the fit. 1047 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,360 Yeah, 4 foot's great. I love it. 1048 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,840 For those that like the kind of toe spraying, lively, bouncy 4 1049 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,920 foot. It's got that the heel just 1050 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,560 could be better at easier paces. Now, assuming I don't have 1051 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,320 another racing shoe in the quiver. 1052 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,080 I do think the Nova Blast is a little smoother at daily paces. 1053 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,000 I think it's it's more balanced. I feel like you can do a little 1054 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,960 bit of everything, but I can settle into easy paces much 1055 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,720 easier. But I only have one shoe that I 1056 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,800 can choose from. And if I want to race and I want 1057 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,760 to race seriously, I think the magic out of the forefoot of 1058 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,200 this is quite lively. I think I've took it at pieces 1059 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,560 that I have no business running in right now. 1060 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,520 And it was very fun. So for that reason, I'm going to 1061 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,760 go Sonic Blast. I I know clients answer ahead of 1062 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,520 time. It's I'm curious to know what 1063 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,040 you think I'm going to. Answer the heel counters. 1064 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,120 Horrible Nova blast. I was able to run finally in 1065 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,880 this shoe this. Morning. 1066 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,000 OK, there we go. We made it past one block when 1067 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,560 we. When we first got this, my 1068 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,560 Achilles insertion was so flared up, I couldn't, I couldn't 1069 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,320 barely walk in this shoe. It's better enough now that I 1070 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,280 was actually able to run in it. And yeah, I I totally agree that 1071 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,120 like the transition midfoot forward is really good. 1072 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,040 It's a it's when you want to pick up it can do training miles 1073 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,440 when you want to pick up the face heel wasn't terrible for me 1074 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,640 in terms of the transition. It's also not great because if 1075 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,200 you can see this, the bevels actually like angled medially 1076 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,360 just slightly and there's a little bit more flare loudly. 1077 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,440 So normally I don't like that, but for whatever reason, it was 1078 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,600 transitioning pretty well that over a shorter run, it didn't 1079 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,160 bug me. And then when I did a stride 1080 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,040 just to see what would happen because I knew we were going to 1081 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,280 talk about this, it was it was quite fun. 1082 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,800 So this is definitely something that as my heel tolerates 1083 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,720 things, I'm going to get some workouts on this and just see 1084 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,960 what happens as I continue to. I guess I can't say avoid super 1085 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,840 shoes just because we don't really have any to test right 1086 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,400 now. And also I'm trying to like, you 1087 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,000 know, stay out of them for the moment because of their 1088 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,920 aggressiveness. The Nova blast is a really good 1089 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,840 shoe. This thing lasted a while for 1090 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,640 me. I know there's some very 1091 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,920 different commentary on how long flight flow and blast Max last 1092 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,960 for different people. Normally I hate I don't like 1093 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,800 this midsole. A lot of those shoes that have 1094 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,520 flight phone blacks masks have been like a meh for me like the 1095 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,320 glide ride Max. But this shoe from a training 1096 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,520 perspective did very well. It is way more comfortable, but 1097 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,000 it just I can't run quick in this shoe. 1098 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,880 So if I was only going to choose I think at the moment based on 1099 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,960 my heel, it will be Nova blast. If I'm healthier and doing the 1100 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,280 variety of paces that I I would, it would be the Sonic blast. 1101 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,960 But I just like the rest of you. I just have some reservations 1102 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,080 about the Sonic Blast because I just think it didn't. 1103 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,160 There's some things that need to be fixed. 1104 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:01,040 Yeah, I think the heel could be. Before it has my 100%, the heel 1105 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,440 could. Be, but there's potential for 1106 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,360 that to be shoe of the year. I think there's a. 1107 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,320 Lot of there is a potential. It's not, it's not quite there, 1108 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,320 but I think Sonic Blast 2. I wrote this in my review about 1109 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,480 about the Sonic Blast. It's a shoe that's $180 so if I 1110 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,160 think of other shoes that are 182 come to mind. 1111 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,000 SC Trainer version 3 and the Endorphin speed 5 or whatever 1112 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,400 they're on. I haven't even tested the newest 1113 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,560 model, but I can't imagine that it's. 1114 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,200 I haven't run in the five, but. I have but either. 1115 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,160 This is more responsive than the 4 though. 1116 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,600 But I don't even think either way versatility of those other 1117 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,000 models and the smoothness of transitions like we're talking 1118 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,800 about everyone is I I've had a bad. 1119 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,120 Experience. But yeah, everyone has talked 1120 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,560 about the heel not being great. It's like, why? 1121 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,520 Why would I choose that over something else? 1122 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,120 It's the same price and I couldn't justify it for myself. 1123 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,280 So maybe they'll they're going to bring. 1124 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,320 I know they have a vision for where this fits in the blast 1125 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,640 family and I think that's going to be a good thing to like 1126 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680 figure out. But like make it. 1127 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,520 If it's going to be a tempo Nova blast, make it lighter than the 1128 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,680 Nova blast. In my opinion it's heavier than 1129 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,960 the Nova blast. It's the same way. 1130 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,600 Yeah, it feels. Likewise the same way. 1131 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,920 Make it lighter, make it lighter and then you got to smooth 1132 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,400 things out. It's got I, I, I, I think that 1133 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,400 they want to do something good with it and I just don't think 1134 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,000 it's there yet. But I, I think the vision will 1135 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,680 be there and ASICS knows how to figure things out. 1136 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,520 OK, I got one more question for you. 1137 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,720 It's one more hypothetical situation. 1138 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,400 You have to choose one of the two companies that will live and 1139 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,480 the other of these two companies will cease to exist in five 1140 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,440 years. Jesus. 1141 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,880 So you got to choose one that you want and that you believe is 1142 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,760 going to like continue to put out the good stuff in five years 1143 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,640 from now, and the other one's going to go into oblivion and be 1144 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,120 done. In those two companies are 1145 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,000 Brooks and Hoka. So you have to pick either 1146 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,080 Brooks or Hoka as the one that stays and the other one goes. 1147 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:10,160 Who are you picking? Crickets. 1148 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,240 I can't believe that's even a question. 1149 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,320 Come on man, it's just running shoes. 1150 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,200 It's a hypothetical. I want everyone to stay in 1151 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,280 business. For the record, I don't want 1152 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,360 anyone to go under. More than that, because we know 1153 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,960 that like people are like, I don't. 1154 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,520 Know the company's going under, everyone with them is getting. 1155 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,320 They're all losing their jobs and everyone. 1156 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,320 'S going well, let's let's do it a little bit lighter and just 1157 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,600 realize it's a hypothetical and this isn't actually going to 1158 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,160 happen so. Are we just choosing this or 1159 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,800 that for the company we prefer, right. 1160 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,640 Now, not right now. What you think? 1161 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,640 What you think it will be in five years is the question. 1162 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,640 OK, then I'll choose Hoka. OK. 1163 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,240 They've had exponential growth over the last 10. 1164 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,240 They've put massive investing into it over the last few years. 1165 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,760 They outsold Ugg last year as a Decker's brand and they are now 1166 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,320 the most successful company under that wing. 1167 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,680 And. Do you think you'll like their 1168 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,440 shoes more than Brooks shoes in five years? 1169 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,720 The question is as a company, not do I like their shoes more? 1170 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,320 Well, I'm thinking. As. 1171 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,200 Who do you what shoes do you want to run in in five years? 1172 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,760 This is that complicated of a question. 1173 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,240 I thought you were saying as a company, who would I like to see 1174 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:25,840 in five? Years. 1175 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,280 Do you want to? Do you want to run in Brooks 1176 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,640 shoes or Hoka shoes in five years from now? 1177 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,320 It's interesting that you've asked about two of the more. 1178 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,840 I like one of the top, yeah. Both very highly productive. 1179 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,280 They're both gross and a lot right, you know? 1180 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:48,280 I like what Brooks is doing, but I think I think Hoka is just 1181 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,160 trying to push that innovation a little bit more like where 1182 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,040 Brooks is starting to come around to it. 1183 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,480 So I might say Hoka, strictly from that standpoint, I think 1184 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,120 they just struck the iron while it was hot a little bit earlier. 1185 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,400 And they're and they're going to see it in five years where like 1186 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,600 we might start to see it in two or three with Brooks and then 1187 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,840 they'll kind of get the line coming down the line. 1188 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,560 Like we're starting to see it. But they're the last on the 1189 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,360 train, right? It's good stuff. 1190 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,440 There's nothing wrong with it. I actually really like a lot of 1191 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,240 the Brooks stuff coming out right now, but. 1192 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,360 Right, Brooks is how can I say this, Brooks is the new Mizuno 1193 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,400 where they're taking a little bit with their they're more 1194 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,160 cautious now. They take a little bit longer to 1195 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,840 get on like P back shoes. Now they're starting to drop 1196 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,520 them, which is great. We're seeing some interesting 1197 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:35,720 things. They're not perfect. 1198 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,040 And I think within you see a couple of years you're going to 1199 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,000 get there, whereas Mizuno is now the wild card. 1200 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,840 I have no idea what's going to happen. 1201 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,400 Like I will say a review is going to drop of this, but 1202 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,320 before this comes out, but the wave rider this is have you 2 1203 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,680 run in this? This, this is insane. 1204 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,960 This is the I like couldn't be farther. 1205 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,640 Like there's still a plate there, but like it's just like 1206 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,200 so different from any previous writer. 1207 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,120 It's like the first one to have a 10mm drop. 1208 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,400 It's soft. It's like it's it's way. 1209 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,680 Yeah. Mizuno has become this just like 1210 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,640 crazy. Like you never know what's 1211 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,880 coming out. I think Brooks is the more 1212 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,720 consistent 1 Hokai. I don't I don't know. 1213 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,920 Sometimes they push the envelope, sometimes it feels 1214 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,080 like. I don't know what direction 1215 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,720 they're going and that's that's for me personally. 1216 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,000 So I don't know how to answer this. 1217 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,320 It's a tough one. I think the, the thing with 1218 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,520 Brooks that strikes me is like, I'll try their shoes. 1219 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,600 I like their shoes. And I'll say, where was this two 1220 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,560 years ago? This could have been this shoe 1221 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,480 of the year 2 years ago. And I feel like we talked about 1222 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,880 development and everyone's working on things years ahead, 1223 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,560 right? Like, like you could have just 1224 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,000 rolled this out a little sooner, right? 1225 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,200 Like DNA gold is nice. Like DNA tuned is nice. 1226 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,960 Like all these phones are really good. 1227 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,800 And but it's like it's coming when the market is already 1228 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,560 saturated with other options that already feel that. 1229 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,320 And so that that's where I struggle on this. 1230 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,400 You know, like, like I like the Mizuno comment because that's 1231 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,960 what Mizuno would do, right? It's like they'd kind of be in 1232 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,240 the shadows. Everyone already has a product 1233 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,440 out there. Then they're like, oh, here's 1234 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,480 this, by the way. But it'd be really good. 1235 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,360 And, you know, that it'd be consistent and reliable. 1236 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,000 And I do feel like Brooks is consistent and reliable. 1237 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,240 Yeah. They are the new consistent. 1238 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,240 It's also to give them credit like Hoka is more of a wild card 1239 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,040 now. You really don't know what's 1240 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,800 going to come out. And sometimes like, oh, this is 1241 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,480 a great phone and sometimes it's like you guys come on like it's 1242 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,840 it's 2025 and you have these resources. 1243 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,960 Brooks, I think has a very different approach to running 1244 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,680 where they, they do have a performance division and I know 1245 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,360 who's in charge of that. And I have very high hopes for 1246 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,200 what we're seeing and what we're going to see. 1247 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,160 But I think their focus is very much in the they're really going 1248 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,680 into the injury prevention space to try to understand the whole 1249 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:47,920 runner. And some of the research they're 1250 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,880 doing is really, really cool. And that might be why I'm a 1251 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,520 little bit biased. But I think just the focuses are 1252 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,640 so different. I don't think I can't not I'm 1253 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,440 not trying to be defensive and not answer this question 1254 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,960 because. We clearly both, we want them to 1255 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,640 stay in business, both of them, please. 1256 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,440 Me too, me too. I hate the question. 1257 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,320 I can't answer it because they're going in such different 1258 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,240 directions. I think it'd be different if 1259 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,720 they were like neck and neck. They're like, we seem to have 1260 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,360 the same foot, but I don't think they have the same. 1261 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,840 I think they do. And I think they do have. 1262 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,960 The same focus though, like think about, I don't think about 1263 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,920 when you go to like, and I don't really go to Walmart, but like 1264 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,840 if you go to Walmart, people are going to be walking in Brooks or 1265 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,360 Hoka that that's like what people are in. 1266 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,680 So in that sense, I think they're very similar because 1267 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,320 they, they both make shoes that extend far beyond the running 1268 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,920 circles. People are like, oh. 1269 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,720 Most of the shoes I need a. Shoe that's good for my feet. 1270 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,720 They're buying them for walking walking stick their their actual 1271 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,080 running market is not nearly as large as the like walking 1272 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,000 everything else. Yeah. 1273 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,880 So I think that's, that's why we, I've wanted to put them 1274 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,120 against each other in this. It's like, where do we who do 1275 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,000 you think is going to take the step for running? 1276 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,920 For me I think the answer is relatively simple because I have 1277 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:05,760 not agreed with a lot of the performance shoes for either 1278 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,640 company like Hyperion. Hyperion Max 3 didn't work for 1279 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,640 me. Pretty much any of the other 1280 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,560 Brooks racing shoes like the Cielo X1 didn't work for me. 1281 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,520 Skyward X didn't really work for me, which isn't like a 1282 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,760 performance shoe but it's their like kind of higher stack like 1283 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:27,520 put everything in a little shoe. The only the Rocket X2 didn't 1284 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,440 work for me, but the Rocket X3, as I talked about recently, like 1285 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,200 really clicked for me. So because of that and because I 1286 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,160 like the Clifton for training, although I had the Clifton 10, I 1287 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,280 didn't like quite as much as the Clifton 9. 1288 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,280 I think I'm going to go Hoka because I think that they're 1289 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,920 going to stay consistent with their trainers that I like and 1290 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,320 the speed goat. I love the Speed Goat in wide 1291 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,600 for trail running, but I think they have the opportunity to put 1292 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,640 out some performance stuff that I may end up enjoying because 1293 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,960 I've had a taste of a couple things that have worked foam 1294 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,240 wise, but the foams for Brooks just haven't worked for me yet. 1295 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,080 So if I think about it from that standpoint of like what my 1296 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:10,200 preferences have been like, it just hasn't quite been there for 1297 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,160 me because it's just been too firm, not quite lively enough 1298 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,480 from Brooks. Whereas the Hoka stuff, even 1299 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,000 when it's made for the masses, feels more runnable than the 1300 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,240 Brooks stuff for me. So that's where I that's where I 1301 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,120 lean also hoping that they both stay in, stay in business, 1302 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,080 everyone will keep their jobs and that they both thrive as 1303 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,280 long with everyone else. But I think too, like you said 1304 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,520 with the performance side of it too, I feel like in five years 1305 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,760 when you look at the shoe line up, you're probably going to be 1306 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,320 saying, wow, you know, like probably more on the Hoka side 1307 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,680 than on the Brooks side just based on the trends that they've 1308 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:49,840 been doing things. I do think I agree that Hoka is 1309 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,320 a little bit better well-rounded in terms of like, yeah, it's not 1310 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,360 for me, it's not the top company when I'm looking for performance 1311 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,920 stuff to be honest. But they are do making stuff. 1312 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,680 It's like, OK, great. There's a little something for 1313 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,480 everyone here and I kind of see where this is going. 1314 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,240 And you guys not always with some of their trainers, but a 1315 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,440 lot of the for sure their performance shoes like they're 1316 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,840 using the foams that they really need to. 1317 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,880 And I say that CLX 12 point O did not work for me at all. 1318 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,280 But Andrea loves it and the Rocket X3 is doing good. 1319 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,480 I think. Yeah, Brooks needs they actually 1320 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,800 have to make it's an interesting decision about where they go as 1321 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,680 a company just because they are from a foam perspective a little 1322 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,160 bit behind where they are just getting into DNA gold. 1323 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,120 And it's good. I really like DNA gold. 1324 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,240 It feels very much like the OGP befoams out there, but I think 1325 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,160 some of their training shoes, they need to up the ante. 1326 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,360 But I also can't understand what they don't because the fact it's 1327 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,640 10 minutes reliable for right for walking into those other 1328 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,960 components like that and for especially for slower running 1329 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,520 where some of the foams may not. And I love the glycerin as well. 1330 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,560 They just need to keep. The glycerin's great. 1331 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,800 Keep the Brooks Ghost and Glycerin in their world and then 1332 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,200 just play with the Hyperion line like they you have some you have 1333 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,840 some opportunity. Yeah, just goes full mad 1334 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,400 scientists on Hyperion. Line. 1335 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,080 Yeah, play with it. This is still a little bit wild. 1336 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,440 What is this is like my experience with the This is the 1337 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:16,720 ghost. I'm sorry, the no. 1338 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,800 That's an interesting colorway. I didn't even know that was a 1339 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,400 ghost. Yeah. 1340 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,920 And you pulled that up the. Ghost 17 was a wild departure, 1341 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,640 so I'd love to talk to the team at Brooks and go. 1342 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,840 This is wildly different than the prior versions. 1343 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,360 Like for me, even though it wasn't that lighter, it was 1344 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,640 snappy, it was responsive. Even though foams it's still DNA 1345 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,240 loft like, but whatever they did with this, the like it was a 1346 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,160 much faster shoot. It's a little too lower volume 1347 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,240 for me, which is also. Very odd for Brooks. 1348 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,800 It was a lower volume, yeah. They they're, I have a feeling 1349 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,680 that we're about to see some really massive changes. 1350 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,920 And again, it's because of people that I know who are there 1351 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,760 and they just got hired a couple years ago. 1352 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,480 So I'm expecting their stuff to come out right now. 1353 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,760 But I'd be really to talk curious talk with their 1354 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,280 marketing team and go, how has the general this just came out? 1355 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,840 So probably need another year, but how did the general public 1356 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,720 respond? So it's a massive change. 1357 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,960 It's kind of like what happened with the Keanu right now where 1358 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,320 it's so different than the prior versions. 1359 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:12,440 I'm like, I like it, but how is how are consumers responding to 1360 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,920 it? So I still don't have an answer. 1361 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,880 There's differences in each one. And I, I am not a market 1362 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,280 analyst. So I don't know which is going 1363 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,680 to be more successful. And I always wonder about our, 1364 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,800 our narrow lens sometimes as running through reviewers if, if 1365 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,480 we're seeing the whole picture. We're definitely not. 1366 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,360 I don't know for sure. Yeah, we're not. 1367 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,280 And it is. Like. 1368 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,880 Not even close. Yeah, we're not, Not even close. 1369 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,760 To the full picture and we're going to wrap things up. 1370 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,080 I have one final thing to say, but before I say that final 1371 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,120 thing, if you want to reach out to us and chat with us at all, 1372 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,640 you can reach out to doctorsofrunning@gmail.com. 1373 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,560 Or if you have thoughts for us about the episode and you're 1374 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,240 watching on YouTube, you can comment below and we'll do our 1375 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,200 best to interact with you when we can and when we get around to 1376 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,200 it. But the last thing and the final 1377 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,640 word that I need to say before I stop this is it's Kiono. 1378 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,240 Wow, that felt personal.