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Hey everyone, and welcome to the
Doctors of Running podcast where

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we, a group of doctors of 
physical therapy, talk about the

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art and the science of the 
things that we'll put in our 

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feed. 
Today I have Doctor Sloss and 

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myself and we are going to do a 
special episode talking about 

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the entire Saucony Lion. 
Now, to be fair, a lot of the 

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shoes we're going to talk about.
There are going to be some 

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updates probably by the time 
that you hear this. 

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We are recording this January. 
What day is it? 

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January 12th, 2024. 
January 12th. 

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January 12th. 
Yep, that is correct. 

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Yep. 
And so we have a couple updates 

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that we know about that are 
coming out. 

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We have not tested them yet, but
we'll probably reference that 

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just so if you are hearing this 
a little later, if you're 

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looking for an older model, 
great, it'll be helpful. 

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But if you're looking for the 
update, we will obviously have 

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reviews out coming soon. 
But we haven't tested stuff 

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specifically the Saucony 
Hurricane 25, the Triumph 23, 

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and the Speed Five are all 
coming out in the next like 

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couple months, but we'll 
reference those. 

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But we haven't run in them yet. 
So we'll hold too much 

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commentary, but just know that 
those are coming out before we 

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get started. 
David, how are you doing? 

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I'm going to do a little intro 
theater, ease us all into this. 

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What's up? 
Doing good, man. 

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I mean, same old, same old in my
world. 

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Do you know it? 
I haven't really rocked the boat

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too much. 
Yeah. 

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Running, working, doing doors. 
Yep, in the same boat. 

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Semester for us at George Fox 
starts tomorrow. 

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So good luck to all the DPT 
students who will, if any of 

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them listen, we'll hear this 
after their semester has 

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started. 
So hope the first week or so was

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good, But, and I'm also wishing 
that to myself, I can survive 

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this. 
So let's jump in with Saucony. 

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Saucony we've had an interesting
relationship with over the 

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years. 
They were one of the earlier 

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companies that reached out to us
and we were able to start 

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working with and they were nice 
to both send this product as 

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well as let us work with them a 
little bit. 

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And so we've been over there 
twice now to their headquarters,

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which they were moving, right. 
Did they officially move? 

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Did we hear that or was that 
halted? 

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Do you remember? 
I don't know how much of that 

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supposed to be internal or not 
or what, but I think Wolverine, 

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though, as a company was moving.
I don't know about Saucony 

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though. 
I remember things were kind of 

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up in the air. 
So I don't actually know on that

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whether just. 
Say something. 

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Hopefully I didn't say something
I wasn't supposed to, but 

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they've been a really, really 
great group and it's been 

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really, really fun to talk to 
them and learn from them. 

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And we went over there kind of 
the first time we were looking 

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at the new updates of The 
Tempest. 

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And then the second time was not
the update, but the origin of 

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The Tempest. 
And we got to talk with them 

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about that and what they were 
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And then the second time was to 
get a combination of seeing the 

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updates at the time to the ride 
and the guide, which they were 

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totally redoing those which we 
enjoyed. 

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And then we got to do some fun 
economy testing of a couple 

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different shoes that we can't 
quite say, but it was a really 

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interesting time. 
And we were in the middle of 

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like some insane weather storm. 
We got like. 

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Yeah, the the street flooded and
then it was actually kind of 

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funny for the listeners. 
If you can picture this, it's 

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like the way their performance 
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There's like a tall window kind 
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there's a slight downhill to the
road and the, it is just raining

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cats and dogs. 
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raining, raining like hard. 
And the, the roads like flooded 

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and took like the little manhole
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And then like they're like, Oh 
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happens. 
And then they had to like close 

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off an entire like lane or 
something to get it situated. 

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I don't remember. 
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hazard at that point. 
Wasn't there an accident like 

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literally outside? 
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think like there was one in the 
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then one while we were testing 
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Were like, whoa, yeah. 
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Chugging away and in economy 
testing, you're not running that

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easy, you know, So like, you're 
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You're just watching chaos off 
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Yeah, it was slightly 
distracting, so yeah. 

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We've had some fun times, 
interesting times. 

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Second floor. 
Second floor. 

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Yeah, second floor, I think. 
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So we've had some very good 
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this is to kind of give a little
insight into into a breakdown of

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the line. 
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are not going to go through 
every single shoe. 

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So Saucony does have kind of the
main line that we're going to 

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talk about. 
They also have some budget 

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trainers and stuff that we'd 
either haven't tried or we just 

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don't weren't aren't really 
going to go over because they 

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aren't typically available and 
like run specialty or run 

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specialty websites, but know 
that we are aware of those and 

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those are available if you were 
looking for, you know, more 

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budget friendly options. 
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actually a couple that they have
that are a little easier on the 

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wallet and we'll definitely 
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So let's jump in if everybody's 
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And of course, we got to talk 
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and the three primary shoes in 
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are going to be the Saucony 
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Echelon 9. 
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dive on the Echelon because I 
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team to run on that. 
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Triumph 22, Ride 18, kind of 
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We were talking about like, like
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What is it supposed to be used 
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How do we use it? 
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populations that we think that 
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Yeah, I think that's that's a 
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conversation. 
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neutral category, it's important
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intended to be used? 
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I don't have my Triumph on me, 
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flagship model. 
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first, the ride is kind of the 
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It's it's the normal daily 
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It's priced right around 
$140.00, very competitive price 

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for what the daily training 
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We'll run specifications too, 
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9.7 oz 274g men's size, 98.2 oz 
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of stack in the heels. 
So this one has come up in stack

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over the years now, but still 
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So I mean, is that moderate? 
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today's standards at this point 
that is kind of moderate, 29 in 

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the four foot. 
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model. 
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midsole. 
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the Triumph, which was the 
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I should line out right now. 
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of your baseline neutral daily 
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And then most companies, Saucony
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call a premium trainer, which 
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nicer foam, a little bit more 
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plush upper, etcetera, etcetera.
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of their mid grade there and 
very durable foam kind of ATPU 

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based midsole. 
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workhorse and it's kind of a 
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dramatic, just a very balanced 
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It's meant to just eat up miles.
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be used for. 
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that. 
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the trainers I've liked. 
It's been a pretty recent 

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acquisition and I just did a 
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So I mean, it's one of the shoes
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to run in after I've written the
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So I do enjoy the ride 18 going 
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So that is if you can hold that 
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one has a little bit more foam 
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And that one is priced at 
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you're looking, but that's the 
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And 10.5 oz 297g men's size, 
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stack height 4030. 
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four foot 10mm drop that is 
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shoe. 
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be Power on PB which was the 
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And now even though we say power
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they will slightly tune those 
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intended use is. 
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same power on PB as used in say 
the Endorphin Pro line, but it 

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is a pupa based Mintzel and 
those types of characteristics 

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still apply. 
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plush experience, a little bit 
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bit more of a Rockford ride on 
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And that is kind of the intended
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For whatever reason, that one 
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I really liked it for standing 
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It's a clean colorway and it 
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So if I was wearing a Cowboys 
polo or something, that white on

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blue looked pretty good. 
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be a workhorse trainer as well, 
very high stack, plush, premium 

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option. 
I do think they get that across.

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It just didn't quite line up 
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personal mechanics. 
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loves that shoe and that's like 
his favorite shoe, so. 

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Yeah, he really liked that. 
So I'm going to go back before 

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we talk about the Echelon and 
give kind of like David got his 

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little takes on what he likes to
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I agree with him. 
The ride 18 for me is just that 

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classic neutral daily trainer. 
It's it. 

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There's not a lot of stuff in 
terms of stability stuff going 

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on. 
So you need just a clean classic

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neutral training shoe. 
This is a great one. 

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It's also a favorite, I think on
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personally, because it's also 
versatile. 

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The power and plus kind of like 
the older Triumph, which was 

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weirdly responsive like this is 
not what I expect the tram to 

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be. 
It's not that anymore, but the 

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ride 18 could definitely do 
training miles. 

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It can do long runs and the 
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responds really well. 
So if you want to take a shoe 

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that can handle daily training 
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this is a really, really good 
option because it's slightly 

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firmer and a little bit more 
responsive without being too 

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stiff that it can do a lot of 
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So if you want your do it all 
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shoe and also a really great one
to start with. 

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Either if you're a newer runner 
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little quicker or if you're like
the high school college runner, 

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it just needs something that can
handle a little bit of 

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everything. 
This is probably going to be 

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that shoe because I've really 
enjoyed it and done some pretty 

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decent workouts in it. 
And David and I talk about all 

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the time, like should we be 
doing all of our workouts in 

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super shoes? 
This is one that I kind of lean 

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back to and I'm like I need to 
take a break from the carbon 

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plated super foams, although the
foam is plenty responsive. 

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Yeah, yeah, it's, it's actually,
it's it's surprisingly 

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responsive. 
It's probably the most 

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responsive iteration of Power 
Run Plus I've seen so far. 

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Yep. 
And then for me, the Triumph 22,

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I had the exact same experience 
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Nathan, Nathan loves his shoe. 
The power on PB is tuned very, 

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very compliant. 
It's not very resilient, meaning

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it's not going to give you that 
like really fast responsiveness.

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It's going to give you that high
cushioning. 

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And I 100% agree with you that 
those who want this as like a 

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slower running shoe, long run 
shoe or a standing and walking 

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shoe. 
If you want a really highly 

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cushioned ride, this is a very 
good option. 

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It's one of the few super foam 
shoes that we would suggest 

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actually works really well as a 
walking and standing shoe just 

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because the way the foam and the
geometry is set up is really 

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nice for that. 
So people that again, maybe you 

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don't you don't want to fast you
you just love cushioning. 

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You just love a lot of softness.
You want a lot of protection or 

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you want something you can stand
in or walk in comfort with a 

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longer miles. 
That's where the triumph 22 is 

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coming in as that premium shoe 
with a little bit more room, a 

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little bit more comfort. 
That's definitely where this 

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fits, but definitely not the 
Triumph 21 where it was like 

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super responsive and like could 
handle anything you threw out 

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it. 
So which is great because now 

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you have the 18, the ride and 
the Triumph, they're actually 

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differentiated, thank goodness. 
So now it will make more sense 

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to people. 
Now the last one, unfortunately 

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we don't have any more because I
this is a favorite shoe of mine 

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and I really want to see if they
updated and I'm about ready just

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to buy a new pair myself. 
The socketly Echelon 9, which 

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apologies I don't have because I
actually gave it to my 

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father-in-law who stands for 
like all day and works night 

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shifts on his feet and 
frequently has foot and ankle 

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issues. 
And it's a really wonderful 

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shoe. 
Its purpose is meant as a true 

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stable neutral shoe that can 
handle orthotics really well and

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still be a good running walking 
shoe. 

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Now it's actually on the lighter
and the out of these orthotic 

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friendly shoes are typically 
pretty heavy. 

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But this shoe came in at 10.3 oz
for men's size 9 or 292g and 9.5

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oz tonight, 269 grams for 
woman's size, 835mm in the heel,

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27 to 4 foot for an 8mm drop. 
But the sidewalls actually come 

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up pretty high, so it looks 
taller. 

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It's got such a wonderful 
geometry. 

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You sit really well in the shoe.
So if you have, you know, 

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neutral, like if you have like a
flatter foot, this is a great 

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shoe because the sidewalls come 
up with the arch isn't too high 

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or if you need a shoe that still
kind of it feels good and rolls 

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along well and you need to put 
an orthotic in there. 

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It is the the insole that's 
removable is designed for there 

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to be high enough volume here 
that you can put this thing and 

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it works well. 
It is my favorite orthotic 

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friendly shoe of all of them 
because a lot of the shoes are 

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super clunky. 
This one does great. 

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And I probably shouldn't say 
this, but I used it when I broke

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my toe and probably wasn't 
supposed to be running, but it's

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stiff and rocket enough because 
I, I mean, I've worked in an 

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emergency room before and I knew
like, if I walk in there with a 

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broken 4 toe, they're going to 
go, oh, just buddy tape it. 

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Like, what's the point? 
So I'm like, all right, I'm 

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going to tape it. 
Wear rockard shoe should 

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probably take three to four 
weeks off. 

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Lasted a week, started hobbling 
on it and that shoe did really, 

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really well. 
Not that I'm don't do what I did

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don't. 
Be please, please don't run. 

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Don't fracture your foot. 
Don't don't do that. 

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So it did heal last time I did 
some imaging on it doesn't. 

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I don't know how well that 
healed. 

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So that's my earned this. 
So it's there's no, I mean it 

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doesn't flex all the way at the 
at the at the PIP, but you know,

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that's my fault so. 
I don't know, you say. 

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I earned this. 
I earned it. 

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It's my fault. 
So it's a really great rocker 

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shoe that look that feels 
maximal has a really well rocker

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geometry is phenomenal for 
standing, walking, for rolling 

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along. 
It's different than the Tri 22 

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because it doesn't have the 
power on PB and will take an 

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orthotic better, but it's it's 
different than the ride. 

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It's not nearly as say 
responsible, though it could 

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pick up the pace. 
It's just a great daily training

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shoe for something somebody that
wants that lower arch or and 

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orthotic friendly shoe that has 
a little higher volume, 

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especially if you're higher 
volume foot. 

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And so it's it's definitely a 
favorite. 

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I'm hoping the update to version
10 and see what they do and I 

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hope they don't screw it up. 
But those are the three big 

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neutral trainers. 
Dave, do we miss anything about 

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special considerations or like 
any kind of big things people 

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should be thinking about when 
considering these shoes or 

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special populations that may 
benefit from them? 

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You know, I think we hit it. 
I mean, I think the big thing 

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with Triumph, standing long 
periods of time, soft 

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cushioning, ride 18, slightly 
more responsive, versatile, can 

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do those things. 
Echelon 9, you're looking at 

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orthotics and stuff like that. 
So I think we're good. 

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Yeah, those are good. 
Special considerations are out 

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there. 
All right. 

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So we're going to move into the 
stability category, which 

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ironically this is not very 
common that the flagship, not 

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flagship, but the primary 
stability shoes in Saucony 

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actually outnumber the standard 
neutral ones, I guess because 

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we're not technically counting 
the racing Endorphin line. 

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So maybe that's not technically 
true. 

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So because there's four. 
I see what you're saying. 

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I thought you meant like I guess
models. 

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I thought you meant I can't, but
I guess I can't say that pretty 

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evenly. 
Yeah, I guess like I technically

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can't say that because you got 
the endorphin trainer all these.

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All right, so just ignore what I
just said. 

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But they still have a good 
number of stability models, 

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which is not very common, the 
four major ones, which I'm going

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to go grab. 
And if to not make our sound 

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engineer mad, I'm going to stop 
talking so I don't talk away 

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from the microphone, which I've 
heard about before. 

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Have you really? 
Yeah. 

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Dang. 
To be fair, totally justified. 

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Now we have three of these. 
There are actually 4. 

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We have not at least Dave and I,
we actually started our running 

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journeys I think in in one of 
the older versions of those. 

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We haven't got to try it, but 
it's I actually that's not true.

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I have tried it in store, but we
didn't get to test it. 

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And so I've, yeah, not fully 
commenting, but also going kind 

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of here's what it felt like. 
So for those that want this, 

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here's what it is. 
So the four shoes that we're 

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going to talk about in the 
stability line are going to be 

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the Saucony Guide 18, the 
Saucony Tempest 2, the Saucony 

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Hurricane 24, which will be 
updated to the 25 in the middle 

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of this year, I think. 
And then the last one which you 

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don't have is the Saucony Omni 
22. 

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And I'm going to start actually 
start with the Omni to get it 

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out of the way. 
A lot of the shoes in in 

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Saucony's line outside of the 
eight of the guide 18 have been 

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updated with newer phones. 
Both the Hurricane and The 

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Tempest have power on PB in 
them, although both of them 

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actually also have power run to 
balance things out. 

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The guide has been really, 
really updated and evolved quite

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a bit from the Guide 16, where 
it was a little more traditional

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than it had. 
Was it called the hollow frame 

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which was like this? 
Plastic piece it. 

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Was kind of like that arch, that
medial posting that went away 

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with the guide. 
So the guide is now more of this

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like guidance based shoe where 
you're kind of kept in the 

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middle. 
If you still want that post 

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feeling, the Omni 22 is 
basically the guide 16 with a 

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teeny bit more refinement. 
So if you want, you're going, 

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you know what I don't I'm not a 
big fan of this whole guidance 

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center thing. 
I want to feel a medial post. 

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You're going to want to go for 
the Omni and that's the Omni's 

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traditionally been traditional. 
It's been that more traditional 

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stability shoe for those who 
just want a little bit more 

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cushioning, although it doesn't 
have the most cushioning, 

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although even though it felt 
like it when I tried it on, it's

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10.1 oz or 287 grams for men's 
size, 935mm in the heel, 27 on 

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the four foot for an 8mm drop. 
So almost like exactly the same 

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as the older guide. 
If that's something you want, 

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that's where that shoe is going 
to come into. 

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And so we don't discriminate 
against people that like that 

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post feeling or do really well 
with post or do better with 

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guidance. 
It really comes down to 

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individual needs. 
Some people really do well with 

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that, that what we think is like
appropriate set that pressure in

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your arch. 
It's what's called 

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proprioceptive input. 
Some people do well and that 

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kind of stimulus to go, oh, I'm 
aware of this. 

382
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Maybe that helps guide them a 
little bit or maybe activate 

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some muscles versus others don't
do well with the medial post. 

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And just to define this, a 
medial post is a firmer piece of

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material or some kind of 
mechanism on one side of the 

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shoe that's supposed to slow 
down movement in that direction.

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The guy that shoe, like the guy 
doesn't have that and the 

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Hurricane doesn't have that 
either. 

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What both of those shoes and The
Tempest, actually what all three

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three of these other shoes do is
they have a kind of foundation 

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where your foot is sitting into 
the shoe typically got side 

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walls in the internal geometry 
of the shoe is set up to help 

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guide you forward and kind of 
instead of forcing you in One 

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Direction, kind of keeping you 
in the middle as you move 

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forward. 
So that's where socking these 

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guidance and a lot of the the 
concepts there. 

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But let's talk about the guide 
first. 

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David, give us a little bit of 
your take on as both on kind of 

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purpose specs and what you think
about it. 

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Yeah, I'll start off with 
specifications here. 

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So again, this is pretty 
comparable. 

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Again, this is kind of the 
flagship stability model, which 

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should be kind of like the one 
that's sold a lot and kind of 

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the more approachable price 
point ish, like kind of your 

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baseline training model there, 
but in the stability category. 

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So it is also at $140.00 
depending where you look as 

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compared to the ride. 
Also about the 18 iterations 

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specifications, we're looking at
9.6 oz 272 grams man size, 98.6 

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oz 245 grams women's size 8 
stack height, 35 in the heel, 29

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in the forefoot for a 6mm drop 
platform. 

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When we look at this, this is 
definitely like Matt was saying 

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is built off of a guidance type 
of platform. 

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And when you look at the heel, 
very wide lot of cross-sectional

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area of tall side walls through 
the rear foot and it basically 

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continues along through the mid 
foot and then it shallows out a 

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little bit in the forefoot. 
But it definitely relies a lot 

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on its geometry and so very 
rounded sole there and so high 

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big bevel in the heel. 
I mean it's not a crazy toe 

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spring, but there's a good 4 
foot rocker there as well. 

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So and it's a power run midsole,
not a power run PB or power run 

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plus power run. 
Is that traditional Eva type 

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foam? 
And the reasoning for that most 

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likely is it's a firmer foam. 
It's going to feel more stable, 

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less deformation under foot. 
Like this is a shoe that's meant

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to give you some guidance while 
you're running. 

426
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It's not necessarily meant to be
the quote UN quote premium 

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option. 
It's meant to just give you a 

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solid, sturdy foam under foot 
and get you to transition with 

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some guidance. 
And hence the name. 

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I I don't know why I didn't even
like put that together Guide 

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guide 18. 
So, revelations on air. 

432
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No judge. 
No, judge. 

433
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,400
But yeah, so workhorse daily 
trainer stability category, this

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one relies more on geometry and 
guidance. 

435
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I think this is also a really 
good one for people that go, 

436
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hey, you know what, I might need
a little stability, but I don't 

437
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think I need something like 
really aggressive, as David 

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said, kind of a workhorse 
flagship shoe that a lot of 

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people, especially newer runners
are going to do very well. 

440
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And it's also a great walking 
shoe as well for people that 

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don't need something 
complicated, don't need 

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something the most cushioned, 
but just need a little bit of 

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help kind of staying in the 
middle. 

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It's a great shoe. 
And honestly, I think in today's

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world, for those of either work 
in running stores or people that

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are just getting into running, 
if you have any inclination, you

447
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240
might need some stability. 
This is the type of shoe I'd 

448
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,520
really suggest first. 
It's almost like the newest 

449
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,080
version of mild stability shoes.
I don't think this is a moderate

450
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,080
to higher stability shoe because
you like when you step in, 

451
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,680
you're like, I feel a little bit
of sidewall on the midfoot. 

452
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,280
And then if you feel a little 
bit of pressure on the ladder, 

453
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,800
it's not aggressive. 
So this is like your mild 

454
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,480
stability shoe now that just 
gives like if you just need a 

455
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,200
little bit over time, it's great
and also is a great way to ease 

456
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,120
you in and help you figure out, 
hey, do I need a ton of 

457
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,320
stability or not? 
And after you finish running in 

458
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,440
this shoe, if you want to try 
something else as a new runner, 

459
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,840
it gives you a little bit more. 
I'm going to need a pun here, 

460
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,360
guidance on kind of what 
direction you might be able to 

461
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,640
go because it doesn't force you 
in One Direction too much. 

462
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,480
So it's it's a pretty solid 
shoe, but it's definitely not as

463
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,440
overly stable. 
Like you don't have that 

464
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,480
aggressive post like the 16 was,
which worked for a lot of 

465
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,560
people. 
Like I really liked it, but that

466
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,960
now that's where the Omnius. 
So special considerations there.

467
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,200
We're going to move on to our 
first, I guess it's not our 

468
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,440
first faster shoe because we 
talked about the ride, but the 

469
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,840
Socrates Tempest 2 or the whole 
Tempest series is really meant 

470
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,600
as the IT was actually 
originally we were briefly told 

471
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,720
it was like a semi hurricane 
replacement, but then they 

472
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,720
brought it was totally different
from the hurricane and the 

473
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,080
hurricane came back. 
So this is really meant as the 

474
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,240
up tempo stability shoe, which 
there are not a lot of these are

475
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,720
in the market. 
I think we just found out we 

476
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,560
might be wrong. 
Somebody please correct us. 

477
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,560
We've been talking about this at
the gosh, what's the Brooke 

478
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,280
shoe? 
The launch GTS has maybe been 

479
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,480
discontinued. 
Don't don't quote me on that, 

480
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,080
which would be really sad. 
You have the Hyperion GTS from 

481
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Brooks, which is they get 
neither one of those are super. 

482
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,760
This is the only I think up 
tempo shoe stability that has a 

483
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,000
super foam in it. 
But then you have the ASICS 

484
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000
GT2000 which is on the lighter 
side and it's done a great job, 

485
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,680
but this is like one of the few 
stability issues you can handle 

486
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,960
running a little faster. 
It's on the low 9 oz range. 

487
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,960
Now it's 9.3. 
This version is 9.3 oz for men's

488
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,880
size 98.2 oz for women's size 8 
two 64232 for those who want 

489
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,440
grams. 
Stack height is 3830, so an 8mm 

490
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,440
drop. 
There is a internal layer of 

491
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,040
power on PB. 
If you can see with a frame of 

492
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,640
power run and they get they, the
idea is like again, you're 

493
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,280
landing get this nice bouncy 
foam. 

494
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,600
But the way that the the Eva 
frame is set up is it helps keep

495
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,240
you in the middle. 
So you get this nice bouncy 

496
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,680
ride, but it rolls you forward. 
It is not plated. 

497
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,400
It is a little bit it's not a 
little bit. 

498
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,320
It is stiff it can flex a little
bit, so this is your hey, I want

499
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,920
something a little bit up tempo.
Maybe I want to go run a 

500
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,240
marathon, but I you know the 
Super shoes out there aren't 

501
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,800
stable enough for me. 
You know this is where this is 

502
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,440
meant and I'm going to be honest
that I think it's pretty 

503
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,880
aggressive in terms of 
stability. 

504
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,280
So while the guide is actually 
more mild, this is more moderate

505
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,240
because the side walls get 
pretty aggressive. 

506
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,680
So if you're sensitive side 
walls, be a little cautious with

507
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,880
this shoe same thing with the 
hurricane actually, but it is 

508
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560
one of the few that can really 
handle up tempo paces. 

509
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,680
So while the Ride 18 in the 
neutral category could do easy 

510
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320
and faster stuff, the guide and 
The Tempest are really split 

511
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,600
where The Tempest can do daily, 
but it can definitely do more up

512
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,720
tempo stuff and the guide is 
really set up to do easier 

513
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,360
efforts. 
You can try to run faster, but 

514
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,560
it's not really what it's meant 
for. 

515
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,160
The other thing about The 
Tempest is it does run pretty 

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,000
snug, so if you need a little 
wider fit this may not work for 

517
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,480
you. 
Yeah, I just want to bring up 

518
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,000
two with a Tempest and the 
second version because I don't 

519
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,960
actually have the second version
that still has the Eva side 

520
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,560
walls. 
Yeah. 

521
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,080
So it's a dual density shoe 
where the base of it is mostly 

522
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,800
power MPB soft plus responsive. 
But the side walls and kind of 

523
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,320
the encasing and the I guess you
could call it a posting. 

524
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,760
It's not really like a true like
firm posting but. 

525
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,320
It's firm power. 
MPB though, yeah. 

526
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,880
And so you get that guidance, 
but it's it's a lot more 

527
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,840
prominent without being heavy 
per SE. 

528
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,880
So that's what Klein was getting
at. 

529
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,160
Yeah. 
And if I was going to category 

530
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,440
these moving into the next one, 
I would say the Guide 18 and 

531
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,880
Omni kind of match like are like
pair with like the guide being 

532
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,360
into like your flagship shoe. 
The Omni being a little bit more

533
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,920
like little bit more premium. 
I can't remember how much I 

534
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160
forgot to put how much the Omni 
cost, but it's just a little bit

535
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,120
more premium, a little bit more 
aggressive stability than the 

536
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,720
Guide. 
And it's the same thing with The

537
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Tempest and the Hurricane, which
again, these are the only 

538
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,920
stability shoes out on the 
market at this time that 

539
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,320
actually have a super foam in 
there. 

540
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,480
So Tempest 2 has power on PB in 
it. 

541
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,840
And then the hurricane is the 
more premium version coming in 

542
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560
at 160 bucks. 
So very similar price point to 

543
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,360
the the not The Tempest. 
The The Tempest was 100 and. 

544
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,240
We've got 160. 
As well. 

545
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,280
That's right. 
Yeah. 

546
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,840
So similar price. 
The hurricane is the more 

547
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,720
aggressive stability of the two 
of these. 

548
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,120
So it has a power on PB top 
layer more of it. 

549
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:38,200
There's a little higher stack 
height then The Tempest only by 

550
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,640
a little bit and I'll talk about
that in a second. 

551
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,680
It's coming in at again, 160 
bucks, 10.6 oz, so heavier or 

552
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,880
three or two grams for men's 
size, 99.8 oz or 279 grams for 

553
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,080
women's size, 838 millimeters in
the heel. 

554
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,200
So same thing but way more 
aggressive sidewall. 

555
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,280
So it looks way taller and then 
32 millimeters in the forefoot 

556
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,560
for a 6mm drop. 
So slightly lower drop, which I 

557
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,920
can tell you as a heel striker 
feels more aggressive because 

558
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,040
the power on PB really like 
compresses. 

559
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,440
It's got this bottom slight side
layer of the power run under 

560
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,440
foot and then your foot is 
sitting into and on top of the 

561
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,680
power on PB. 
So this is the more premium 

562
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,400
model. 
This is not issue that's going 

563
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,560
to handle up tempo stuff upper, 
despite how the the Triumph 

564
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,600
fits, this is actually a little 
lower volume. 

565
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,800
So people that have lower volume
feet are going to actually do 

566
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,880
better. 
It does have a little bit of 

567
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,520
width, but there's a taper in 
the forefoot. 

568
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,600
So I'd say lower volume, 
slightly more narrow feet are 

569
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,240
probably going to do really, 
really well in this shoe. 

570
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,920
And it's for the people that 
just want that really premium 

571
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,320
stability ride or guidance ride 
because it is very centered. 

572
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,480
And this one I got to warn you, 
if you do not do well with 

573
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,920
sidewalls, this is going to rip 
your foot up because the 

574
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,560
sidewalls are very aggressive. 
I do very well with them. 

575
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,200
But if you don't and you want 
more of that post feeling, 

576
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,080
you're in a firmer feel, you're 
going to want to go with the 

577
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Omni. 
But for those who want a softer 

578
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,120
stability shoe, this is going to
be one of the fewer ones on the 

579
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,280
OP on the market right now, but 
it is more guided space. 

580
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,560
I I will still say though, that 
midfoot, it feels almost like 

581
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,760
there's a post in there, but 
there isn't. 

582
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280
It's just this side wall so 
aggressive. 

583
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
So also a great shoe. 
If you need a lot more 

584
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,160
stability, you want a soft ride,
you want a decent walking shoe, 

585
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,120
this is going to be a really 
good option. 

586
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,240
Kind of reminds me of hookah. 
Gosh, I'm going to. 

587
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,120
I know it's you. 
David knows what I'm going to 

588
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,120
say that for the life of me I 
can't pronounce. 

589
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,040
You can do Aviota. 
You got it. 

590
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,480
Good job. 
I think. 

591
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,560
I think we've finally hammered 
it into your brain. 

592
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,280
You've gotten it right two times
in a row. 

593
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280
Two to make it true. 
I think you're alright. 

594
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Third time's a charm for me to 
screw this up so great. 

595
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,960
Great walking shoe. 
Standing shoe if you have a 

596
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,080
slightly snugger foot and want a
softer ride and easier running 

597
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,880
shoe. 
It's not fast despite the power 

598
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,040
in PB. 
It is tuned to be a little bit 

599
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,560
more of an easy day long run 
shoes and that's really what 

600
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,320
it's meant to be. 
It definitely feels a lot taller

601
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,000
stack height than the 
measurements, but that's 

602
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,440
partially the side walls and the
phone. 

603
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,840
So that rounds out a lot of the 
stability line. 

604
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,000
David, do you think you have any
last comments on like special 

605
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,200
considerations for anybody with 
these shoes? 

606
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,560
The before you go, not to 
interrupt you, my last thing is 

607
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,160
be aware, the only true medially
posted shoe in this line is the 

608
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Omni. 
Everything else is going to be 

609
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,240
guidance based. 
If you want something more 

610
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,960
aggressive, the guidance in the 
hurricane can do well. 

611
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,160
The Omni can still do all about 
most of these like the The 

612
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,360
Tempest still is a teeny bit 
more aggressive, guides more 

613
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800
mild. 
They don't really have a super 

614
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,720
aggressive stability shoot 
anymore. 

615
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280
It's more a more guidance. 
So just be aware if you're 

616
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,720
getting into that, which can 
also work well for those who 

617
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,000
don't do well with post. 
So it's more about keeping you 

618
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,360
in the middle than pushing you 
one way. 

619
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Yeah, you have to wake up 
tomorrow and you have to choose 

620
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,160
one of those shoes to go to 
Disneyland with. 

621
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,640
Which one do you go? 
Oh, uh, honestly I'm going to 

622
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,240
choose the guide because I'm 
having some upper issues with 

623
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,600
the snugness of The Tempest and 
the Hurricane and the Omni. 

624
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,680
For me that that post feels 
great from remembering from when

625
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160
I was walking in it, it feels 
good when you're running, it's 

626
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680
just a little too much. 
I post don't work as well for me

627
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,800
during. 
Walking, but that's me. 

628
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,720
So yeah, long standing, walking 
hours. 

629
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240
Yeah, that's kind of where I was
going at that, yeah. 

630
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Yeah, guy would probably be that
best like middle. 

631
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960
Let me forget about the shoe 
guides me, hence the name. 

632
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Yeah, I choose the guide too. 
I think the Eva feels a little 

633
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,760
nicer for the long standing 
hours. 

634
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160
I will also say I think in our 
review I was a little critical 

635
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,840
of the continued Eva choice, but
I have to be honest that it 

636
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,680
makes sense. 
I still would like soccer to 

637
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,600
see. 
What it can do or? 

638
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Something. 
Yeah, yeah, just to see what 

639
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,200
they can do. 
But I also understand that they 

640
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,080
don't go that direction because 
when you start getting into 

641
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,800
softer, more responsive foams, 
it is much harder to control 

642
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,240
them and you've already got The 
Tempest. 

643
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,800
And so it's like try not to have
overlap. 

644
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
I get it, you want to create 
individual products. 

645
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,880
So Speaking of getting a little 
faster, we are now going to move

646
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,320
into the racing line. 
And so this is going to include 

647
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,960
all the Endorphin shoes. 
We are going to include one that

648
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800
some people might not consider 
racing, but you have to realize 

649
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,760
it was designed as a racing shoe
for a special population, even 

650
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,640
though it might work as a 
trainer for many. 

651
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,360
So this includes the Saucony 
Endorphin trainer, the Saucony 

652
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,640
Speed 4, Endorphin Speed 4, the 
Saucony Endorphin Pro 4, the 

653
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Saucony Endorphin Elite two. 
Let me catch my breath, breath 

654
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720
here. 
And then the last one is the 

655
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,880
Saucony Sinister. 
Was there an endorphin? 

656
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
No, it's just the Saucony 
Sinister which is their 

657
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,280
lightweight minimal. 
You know, why did they just call

658
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,440
this counterintuitive names for 
a shoe ever if it was the 

659
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,480
endorphin sinister like. 
Yeah, it's. 

660
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,680
Such a counter I just. 
Call this the Endorphin Racer 3,

661
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,400
right, because there was an the 
Endorphin Racer was there like 

662
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,680
super minimal shoe that came out
There was an Endorphin Racer 2 

663
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,520
and then they should just call 
this three. 

664
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,440
But you know, I don't. 
I'm not interested. 

665
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,640
Or like some kind of a modern 
iteration of a fast twitch or 

666
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,440
wait or like off the phone, 
right? 

667
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,600
It was, but it was, it was the 
type, Type A Yeah, yeah. 

668
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Was that did Yeah, they had, 
they had an A9, I think that 

669
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160
would have been a 10, right? 
They could have been there could

670
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,400
have been a lineage continuation
there. 

671
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,720
Yeah, yeah. 
Coulda woulda shoulda sakani, 

672
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,200
please don't get rid of this 
shoe by the way, please. 

673
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,520
I like. 
The sinister, yeah. 

674
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,120
Yeah, it's a little narrow for 
me, but let's let's have I'll 

675
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,480
start with the trainer because I
think I'm one of the few on our 

676
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,040
team that have it and I actually
just got 100 miles on it. 

677
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,920
So the Endorphin trainer is 
actually was originally designed

678
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,200
as the Canvara Pro and is 
actually meant as a racing shoe 

679
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,880
for more mid pack runners. 
And the reason why is there's 

680
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,560
some research out that suggests 
that middle pack or more 

681
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,760
recreational slower runners not 
to use that as an insulting term

682
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,640
is they don't necessarily get 
the same benefits out of super 

683
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,640
shoes that may be faster runners
do. 

684
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,720
And what sock and he found 
through some internal testing 

685
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,600
was going, Hey, we actually can 
design shoes that give 

686
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
additional benefit to slower 
runners just based on the 

687
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,760
geometry and the mechanics. 
It's still carbon plated. 

688
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,400
It's still got a top layer super
foam. 

689
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,400
And the the in crutter on 
midsole is their next like super

690
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,920
foam. 
It's awesome. 

691
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,520
So I really enjoyed the shoe, 
but it is technically a racing 

692
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,600
shoe for slower runners and can 
also be a faster training shoe 

693
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,880
for others. 
Not saying you have to race in 

694
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,600
this if you are a slow runner, 
just know that's what the option

695
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,000
is. 
It's 180 bucks. 

696
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,520
It's 9.9 oz 200 grams for men's 
size 98.9 oz 252 grams for men's

697
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:37,360
size 84133, although I've heard 
some other sources say 4234 

698
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,440
somewhere in that area. 
It's getting into that super 

699
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,680
stack, although it's not a super
trainer technically with an 8mm 

700
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,000
drop. 
It's been a really great shoe. 

701
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,360
I this has been like that 
versatile shoe that I can use 

702
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360
for anything. 
I've used it for daily training,

703
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,680
long runs and pretty much every 
type of workout. 

704
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,400
I've done 4 hundreds. 
I've done temple runs, I've done

705
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,680
long runs, I've done repeats. 
It's just great. 

706
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Because the carbon fire plate, 
which is 3/4, it goes from kind 

707
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,600
of like that, like post your 
midfoot to the forefoot does 

708
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,720
give it some stiffness. 
And I will say on Air, I think 

709
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,639
this is a halfway decent 
Endorphin shift replacement that

710
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,639
still has that stiffness, has 
good side walls because this 

711
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,760
actually is stable neutral for 
sure, although it's stable 

712
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,800
neutral in a little more 
aggressive way, just because the

713
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,760
way the Eva midsole, the power 
run is set up, it actually 

714
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,800
creates a mild wedge, especially
midfoot. 

715
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,120
So if you need some midfoot 
stability, mild guidance there, 

716
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,000
mild stability there, this is 
going to work really well. 

717
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,840
And it has worked very, very 
well for me. 

718
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040
And yeah, it can do a lot of 
everything without being the 

719
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,120
most aggressive shoe on the 
market. 

720
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,639
I will say some some of the 
other reviewers were kind of 

721
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,360
upset with this shoe, which it's
180 bucks. 

722
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,880
It's a little bit more pricey. 
The durability is a lot better. 

723
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,880
This thing is survived. 
This is my left hundred 100 

724
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,360
miles. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

725
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,840
Yeah. 
Yeah, chewing through the 

726
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,280
lateral 4 foot, but the heels 
survived, which is a big deal 

727
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,120
for me. 
The Kevara Pro did not. 

728
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,720
I it's not that super trailer 
that I think people were hoping 

729
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,760
for that was going to be like 
that 45 millimeter heel full 

730
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,120
length Incredi run. 
It's not what that is. 

731
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,800
It's still meant to be that 
balanced trainer racer for a 

732
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,960
variety of people. 
And so, yeah, so I get there was

733
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
some cute fusion on that, but 
it's for me, it's been a great 

734
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,520
shoe. 
So I think people that want 

735
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,080
something can do a little bit of
everything. 

736
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,480
It's not the most aggressive 
shoe, but it can still move and 

737
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,720
it can be a racing shoe for a 
lot of people, especially long 

738
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,160
distance. 
I think this is where this shoe 

739
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,320
is going to be great without 
being too aggressive, maybe a 

740
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,080
little more safer option for a 
lot of people. 

741
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,120
You want to take us through the?
Speed and Pro and some of the 

742
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,120
other ones, yeah, yeah. 
I just think it's funny when 

743
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,120
you're like, people are like 
disappointed because it wasn't 

744
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,240
45 and full Incredaron into my 
head. 

745
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,240
I'm like, all right, do people 
want to break their ankles like.

746
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,000
I guess I mean, I'm scared 
enough. 

747
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,480
I'm having a hard enough time 
with the Endorphin Elite 2 and 

748
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,480
that's 40, that's 39 at half. 
Like I can't imagine for those. 

749
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,560
Who are good too, like 
Incredaron. 

750
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,080
It's an amazing foam, don't get 
me wrong. 

751
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Like it's a really nice one, but
it is soft, man. 

752
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Like yeah, if you put a full 
well, I guess the Endorphin 

753
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,800
Elite is that, but it has a 
carbon plate. 

754
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,080
I well, that has a carbon plate 
too, so I don't know, I'll shut 

755
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680
my mouth. 
But you put 45 in that like that

756
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,480
could be different, yeah. 
That's different, I mean, 

757
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,720
because, well, the Endorphin 
trainer isn't full stack height,

758
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,480
it's got the. 
Yeah. 

759
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Yeah, yeah, right. 
Which which balances that out 

760
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,360
really well. 
We'll talk about the Endorphin 

761
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Elite too. 
And David and I have some 

762
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,040
different thoughts on it, but 
that thing has got the wobbles. 

763
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,720
So I can't imagine 45mm of of 
that Incredi run would be 

764
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,000
terrifying. 
Well. 

765
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,240
I think we agree. 
I think it's more just a 

766
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,120
mechanics thing. 
That's fine. 

767
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,040
Yeah, because I agree with you 
all. 

768
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Right, so let's start and drop 
into the speed pro and elites, 

769
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,360
and then we'll do a special 
section on the sinister. 

770
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,560
So why don't you take? 
Us off so as Matt was saying 

771
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,480
earlier, there will be a speed 5
coming, but for right now what 

772
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,160
we have our hands on is the 
endorphin speed 4. 

773
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,360
If you've been following us or 
running shoes in general, the 

774
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,080
speed line has just been a 
monster in that that versatile 

775
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,480
training companion category. 
And I say training companion, 

776
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,600
but it's a racing shoe for a lot
of people and it's a very 

777
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,840
approachable shoe. 
And it's another one of those 

778
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,280
shoes where if you are a little 
sensitive to either carbon 

779
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,400
plates or you don't feel like 
you quite need a full super shoe

780
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,240
and you want something a little 
bit more flexible and a little 

781
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,160
bit more training friendly, 
that's always been what the 

782
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,120
speed is. 
It's kind of like that slight 

783
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,280
step down. 
But I feel like saying a step 

784
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120
down really isn't fair. 
It's still a really good shoe, 

785
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,800
but it's just a slight change in
the materials where maybe it's 

786
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,360
not the Max economy stuff that 
they were testing, but what's 

787
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,040
that? 
Yeah. 

788
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,400
No, I would definitely agree 
with you. 

789
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,920
And I want to add, and somebody 
can call me out if this is 

790
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,040
wrong, but my interpretation of 
the original Pro and Speed was 

791
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,920
actually based on the McCloud 
study that we reference all the 

792
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,760
time that Jared Ward was a part 
of where they looking at how 

793
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680
different people actually 
respond best to different levels

794
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,000
of stiffness. 
So some people are going to do 

795
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,840
really well in a stiffer 
platform. 

796
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280
Maybe example, something is 
carbon fiber plated, whereas 

797
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,480
other people might need a little
bit more flexibility like a 

798
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,440
nylon plate like the Speed. 
So it's actually really meant to

799
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,880
be like an alternative racing 
shoot for people that maybe 

800
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,200
don't do as well as carbon. 
And I would say the Endorphin 

801
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speed 4 is definitely that where
it is a true yes, it's a little 

802
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,720
less aggressive, can handle some
training, but it's still very 

803
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,440
much a racing option for a lot 
of people. 1000% and I've been 

804
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,960
able to hit hard track intervals
in this thing and be fine like 

805
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,320
so it can, it can turn over with
the best of shoes, but to go 

806
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,720
over specifications, then this 
one's at 170. 

807
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,320
So again, another appealing 
price point if you're looking at

808
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,800
super shoes because a lot of 
these super shoes are 250 plus. 

809
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:50,640
So 178.2 oz 233g men's size, 
97.2 oz 206g women's size 8. 

810
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,080
Now this is where in this line 
of model of shoes they changed 

811
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,240
the stack height and in the 
speed it is 36mm in the heel, 

812
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,960
28mm in the forefoot, so not 40.
So slightly more grounded 

813
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,840
experience there. 
Nylon plate, but it still uses a

814
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,320
power and PB midsole. 
Still has a really grippy 

815
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,680
outsole. 
Uppers a little bit more 

816
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,760
training friendly and a little 
bit more robust than the racing 

817
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,880
model. 
Little bit more comfortable 

818
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:23,680
probably for most people, but it
is intended to be either that 

819
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,680
racing model for those that like
a slightly more approachable 

820
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,840
offering and or the training 
companion to the Endorphin Pro 

821
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,920
and or Endorphin Elite. 
So where you're doing your 

822
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:38,600
workouts in this shoe, but you 
are racing in the other shoe and

823
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,720
kind of saves miles on your 
super shoe and you can still get

824
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,760
a lot of work in and beat the 
crap out of this shoe because it

825
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,520
is durable, it will hold up 
quite well. 

826
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,840
So that's kind of the goal of 
it. 

827
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,840
That's how I use it. 
So I mean, it's I think it's 

828
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,000
pretty accurate to what it is. 
That was my performance trainer,

829
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,440
lightweight trainer, responsive,
whatever we want to call it, 

830
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,280
Shoe of the year, this last year
for 2024. 

831
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,200
So it's a shoe that I like a lot
and it's very responsive and I 

832
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,440
think at 8.2 oz it's very 
competitive for what it is. 

833
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,800
You can do easy runs, long runs,
hard track workouts, you could 

834
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,240
do a little bit of everything. 
So I'm not trying to be here and

835
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,920
just hype up the speed for, but 
that's just that's what it is. 

836
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,800
It's meant to be versatile and 
it is so. 

837
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,240
I it's not, it's not just you 
hyping up. 

838
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,160
It is a incredibly popular shoe.
We also know from soccate it 

839
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,320
sells very well. 
So we're never going to probably

840
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,040
never going to see the speed 
disappear just because it's 

841
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,240
popular for reason. 
It's much more approachable than

842
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,360
the pro or the elite. 
And so people can race in it, 

843
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,600
train in it and do easy run. 
So it's it's true definition of 

844
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,640
versatile while being light 
enough to actually race. 

845
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,240
So I agree 100%. 
Yeah, and that leads us to the 

846
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,880
Endorphin Pro 4. 
Now, I don't actually have my 

847
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Endorphin Pro 4 on me. 
Do you have yours? 

848
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,040
Perfect. 
I do one. 100 miles on. 

849
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,760
So general geometry for the most
part, the shoes look pretty 

850
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,800
similar. 
I'd say the toe spring in the 

851
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,240
Endorphin Pro 4 is probably a 
tiny bit sharper and so it's 

852
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,360
obviously stiffer because 
there's a carbon fiber plate 

853
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,400
versus the nylon plate. 
The upper is a little bit 

854
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,960
lighter. 
It's more of like a streamlined 

855
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,000
racing like that is pure racing.
There is not like they're they 

856
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,040
don't want that to necessarily 
be a training shoe. 

857
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,920
So they shave off weight where 
they can. 

858
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,120
It's again, carbon plated power 
on, power on PB midsole and that

859
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
one comes in and it's 40mm on 
that one. 

860
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,360
So it is like a the Super shoe 
standard of full stack height 

861
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:39,880
there, but price $225.00 weight 
7.7 oz 218g men's size 96.5 oz 

862
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,880
184 grams women's size 8 stack 
height 40mm in the heel, 32 

863
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,200
millimeters in the forefoot for 
an 8mm drop. 

864
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,680
That is their super shoe, one of
the two super shoes that they 

865
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,800
have and it's good. 
It's aggressive though. 

866
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,120
It's one of those shoes where 
you really want, if you like a 

867
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,280
stiff, grippy, like kind of hard
to press forefoot, that shoe has

868
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,240
that. 
And so like one of our members 

869
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,800
of our team, Andrea loves that 
shoe and she likes it for like 

870
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,520
5K10K. 
Like that's a shoe where it's 

871
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,480
like if you put in a lot of 
force into that forefoot, like 

872
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,520
it'll respond and it is grippy. 
It I think the geometry of it 

873
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,480
can be a little bit aggressive 
for some for the marathon. 

874
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,480
But if you strike in a way that 
it agrees with the mechanics of 

875
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,680
it and you like that kind of 
sharper toe spring and that like

876
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,800
real stiff forfeit, like it 
could work well for you. 

877
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,000
I think for me it was a little 
much. 

878
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,360
I know we're not doing reviews 
here. 

879
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,880
The the heel fit though was a 
little bit loose on me. 

880
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,840
Like I feel like my heel floated
a little bit. 

881
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,080
So it just wasn't personally 
like the Super shoe for me, but 

882
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,160
there I could definitely see 
that being a good super shoe for

883
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,400
a lot of people out there. 
And because of how aggressive it

884
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,240
is and like how grippy it is to 
like I could make you, I had to 

885
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,800
argue that you could run that on
a well groomed cross country 

886
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,640
course too. 
If it was like a packed dirt and

887
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,920
or like shallow grass, you know,
nothing like thick, you know, 

888
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,200
I'm not talking like real, not 
not real real cross country, but

889
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,320
like the like a fast course 
cross country, cross country 

890
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,760
course. 
I think he could run in that. 

891
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,520
I would just say be careful with
any wet surfaces because 

892
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,720
whatever reasons sock any and 
the Durfly it's actually the two

893
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,440
is not as bad, but Durfly one 
any like soft wet or not soft, 

894
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,560
but like wet road or wet 
surfaces like wet track did not 

895
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,200
do super well with this, but I 
think yeah, so maybe like mild 

896
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,520
stuff potentially. 
But I I 100% agree with you. 

897
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,840
This shoe is so stiff. 
Honestly, it's stiffer than the 

898
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,880
endorphin elite 2 and I find the
endorphin elite two really works

899
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,360
better for those longer 
distances. 

900
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,600
The Pro 4 is like is like if you
really want something stiff and 

901
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
move faster. 
And now I finally agree with 

902
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,240
Andrea that maybe moving faster 
and maybe some shorter distances

903
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,160
or if you want something really 
stiff for longer is where this 

904
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,720
thing works best. 
It is a super racing shoe. 

905
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,640
So this is different than these 
speed where this is not going to

906
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,480
be training friendly. 
It's too stiff. 

907
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Some people might be able to do 
that no judgement to them, but 

908
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,320
that's not what it's meant for 
it's meant for racing for faster

909
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,320
efforts with not the it's it the
power on PB is good. 

910
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,480
It's bouncy. 
It's not as bouncy as the 

911
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,480
incredi run, but it this shoe 
really benefits from the 

912
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,360
stiffness factor. 
So if you like stiff and fast, 

913
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,880
this is where your go to is 
going to be and I had the same 

914
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,920
thing by the way volume is 
higher in this upper like I 

915
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,920
don't know if you get for those 
watching YouTube. 

916
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,160
I had to cinch this thing down. 
So if you have a higher volume 

917
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,480
foot, this is going to actually 
work really, really well for 

918
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,120
you. 
And volume mean like how the 

919
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,800
height and how much like room 
there. 

920
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,400
I had to sense this thing down 
to get my heel to stop my foot 

921
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,240
to stop sliding. 
So just know the fit is a little

922
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,200
bit different. 
It's definitely a different shoe

923
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,600
in general, more stiff, you 
know, might work a little better

924
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,840
at some shorter stiff stuff when
you're really pushing off that 

925
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,240
forefoot a little higher volume.
So very unique shoe for sure. 

926
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,760
That took me a little while to 
appreciate. 

927
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,400
So different kind of person that
might work well with this shoe. 

928
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,040
I guess that leads us to the 
endorphin elite too, huh? 

929
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,760
Yeah, where is? 
Where are my? 

930
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,440
My mind's right here, you know. 
I don't part from my endorphin 

931
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480
elites very far. 
I mean, this has been shoot from

932
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,160
its foundation. 
Oh man, I still have. 

933
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Left my I left my downstairs. 
Oh, rookie move, man. 

934
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,560
I know, rookie move man. 
Alright, you lead. 

935
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Yeah, so I've been a big fan of 
the Soccer Endorphin Elite line 

936
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,920
from its beginning. 
And when they hold it up there 

937
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,520
for the viewers, because 
everyone wants to go see these 

938
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:34,960
shoes, when they first announced
the Endorphin Elite one, they 

939
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,680
sent it in like a crate, like a 
literal crate. 

940
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,160
And then there was a hammer on 
top of it and you had to pry 

941
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,640
open the crate. 
And then you had your shoes 

942
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,880
resting inside of said crate. 
And I still have that crate. 

943
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,360
It's over there. 
You can't see it, but it's over 

944
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,320
there. 
But I kept it too, partially 

945
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,280
because one, it was cool and 
two, like I really liked the 

946
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,080
shoe and it was what my marathon
PR is currently set in Endorphin

947
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,920
Elite One that is, and we just 
got our hands on Endorphin Elite

948
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,920
2. 
It is a continuation of that 

949
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,280
super shoe now. 
They're the changes they made in

950
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,120
the Endorphin Elite 2 are very 
noticeable and some of the 

951
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,800
people wear Endorphin Elite One 
may have really agreed with 

952
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,560
them. 
There might be a population 

953
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,080
where the endorphin league 2 
does not agree with them and 

954
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,520
that's that's Klein and that's 
where he was mentioning earlier 

955
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,440
where he where we might differ 
on some things, but I actually 

956
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,120
do agree with him and we'll talk
about it here in a second. 

957
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,560
I think it's more of a 
mechanical difference than it is

958
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,280
a biomechanical difference than 
it is the action like then then 

959
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,640
a general philosophy and 
thought. 

960
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,480
But again, Endorphin Elite 2, so
similar platform as the 

961
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,720
Endorphin Elite one that hasn't 
changed much. 

962
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,280
So you still have that kind of 
like pretty decently beveled 

963
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,120
heel, pretty sharp toe, spring 
starts a little bit earlier, so 

964
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,320
you kind of feel like you're 
tipping forward a decent amount.

965
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,400
Has a carbon fiber plate just 
like other super shoes. 

966
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,720
And this one has a full length 
Incredi run midsole and that 

967
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:12,160
Incredi run again, very soft, 
very bouncy. 

968
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,720
So this is a very responsive 
foam, but it is soft where power

969
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,280
on HG in the one was a little 
bit firmer. 

970
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Now I will say I think the 
Incredi Run midsole is more 

971
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,360
responsive than the power on HG 
midsole that we had, but I don't

972
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,720
that comes with the cost of it 
being a lot softer. 

973
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,920
And if you don't agree with that
softness, that is where some 

974
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,400
issues could happen. 
And when you look at the 

975
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,080
platform, again, not a review. 
So I don't want to go too, too 

976
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,560
far into this, but they didn't 
really widen too much out there.

977
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,400
And the general geometry of it 
is pretty similar. 

978
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,920
And with how soft that heel is, 
I mean, like, look, I could just

979
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,760
like squish that thing. 
Like I'm not even going that 

980
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,040
hard. 
Like this foam is soft. 

981
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,200
And so if you land really hard 
on your heel and you have some 

982
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,000
general instability in that rear
foot, that could give you a hard

983
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,800
time. 
With that said, if you do not 

984
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,160
land that hard there or you like
gently land there or you're a 

985
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,680
little bit more forward through 
the midfoot of the forefoot, 

986
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,520
you'll probably do fine. 
And so I think for me, I am a 

987
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,680
heel striker, but I'm not quite 
as dramatic on that heel. 

988
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,280
And for me, the geometry still 
works. 

989
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,440
On to the specs, because I 
haven't talked about the specs 

990
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:28,240
at all, but it's $275, seven oz 
199 grams, men's size, 9 women. 

991
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,960
Oh, women's size simplified. 
It's a unisex. 

992
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,120
That's why. 
Yeah. 

993
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,120
And then stack height 39.5 in 
the heel, 31.5 in the four foot 

994
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:41,480
8mm drop super shoe. 
I like it most for marathon with

995
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840
how soft that foam is when 
you're really running fast, 

996
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,400
sometimes it can feel, it can 
feel a little soft. 

997
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,360
Like there's like a little bit 
of give to it where you're like,

998
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,960
this is a little bit more mushy 
than I want for really fast 

999
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,680
running. 
And if you're on the track, 

1000
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,920
you're turning all the time and 
this is a really soft shoe. 

1001
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,120
So you kind of feel like you're 
getting pushed outwards a little

1002
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,240
bit. 
But for like long, rhythmic, 

1003
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,720
fast running, like half 
marathon, marathon, very good 

1004
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,360
shoe dialed in. 
But I think the caveats we 

1005
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,640
talked or I talked about really 
soft, kind of slightly narrow 

1006
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,880
midfoot. 
I mean heel and midfoot, I mean,

1007
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,720
it's really the widest part, 
just the four foot. 

1008
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,800
And yeah, I mean, like you said,
you could just see me deform 

1009
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,120
that shoe right there as I go 
and play with it. 

1010
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,440
So for the people that it will 
work for, I think it'll really 

1011
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,800
work for, but there will be a 
population of people that it 

1012
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,520
doesn't work for definitely. 
Maybe like me, so to summarize 

1013
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,560
this, we'll get to the sinister 
in just a second, but it's 

1014
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,320
unique enough that I think we're
going to leave it for last to 

1015
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,320
help people understand the 
differences between these shoes.

1016
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,880
Because now the endorphin elite 
one and the and the pro three 

1017
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,880
were actually had a like a lot 
of similarities that made I 

1018
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,720
think it difficult for people to
really grasp. 

1019
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,080
But was what how to choose one 
versus the other, even though 

1020
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,320
they were they had differences 
that you felt when you put it 

1021
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,960
on. 
Now things are really clearly 

1022
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,800
different. 
So Endorphin Elite, sorry, the 

1023
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Endorphin trainer versus speed 4
are going to work for different 

1024
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,120
people. 
They can very much company each 

1025
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
other where the Endorphin 
trainer could totally be a 

1026
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,040
training shoe or a lot of for a 
lot of people or racing shoe for

1027
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,840
those that maybe do don't do 
well with the lighter, more 

1028
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,040
aggressive shoes. 
The speed 4 is the more kind of 

1029
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,440
it's the lowest stack height of 
not of all of these four, not of

1030
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,240
the sinister. 
So it's lower, more balanced 

1031
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:26,280
ride, less aggressive, also 
really versatile option like the

1032
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,400
trainer. 
But I think it's faster than the

1033
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,120
trainer because it's so much 
lighter, though the trainer's 

1034
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000
still a little heavy for, but it
doesn't feel like that it's 

1035
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,520
heavier for kind of what you 
would expect in this line 

1036
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,560
because it's a trainer. 
The speed is speed, it's faster.

1037
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,680
It's definitely a race model for
a larger population, and that's 

1038
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,480
what's going to really 
differentiate these two. 

1039
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,560
When it comes to the pro and the
elite, that's where you're going

1040
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,480
to get really big 
differentiations in how soft the

1041
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,040
foam you want and how stiff you 
want. 

1042
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,160
So Elite 2 has a carbon fiber 
plate. 

1043
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,200
For me, it's all about how 
insanely soft that material that

1044
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,320
that midsole foam is. 
So David mentioned this. 

1045
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,400
It is, it's too soft for me to 
take. 

1046
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,400
It's meant for longer distances.
It does best during like half 

1047
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,760
marathon to full marathon 
efforts. 

1048
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,200
I can't I for the life of me 
really struggle to get it to go 

1049
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,600
10K5K and faster. 
The foam is so soft, it's 

1050
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,800
bouncy, but it doesn't respond 
very quickly. 

1051
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,560
So the the velocity, the rate of
how quick the foam reforms is 

1052
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,880
slow, but super. 
So you want the softest thing, I

1053
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,560
would say like the softest super
shoe on the market and you got 

1054
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,920
stable mechanics. 
The Endorphin Elite 2 is going 

1055
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,520
to be great. 
If you were doing half marathon 

1056
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,680
marathon, it's going to be 
awesome. 

1057
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,640
If you want something that's 
more balanced a little bit, and 

1058
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,120
I said the Pro 4 is on that 
stable neutral category, but you

1059
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,680
want something really stiff in 
the forefoot and not mushy soft.

1060
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,720
That's where the Pro 4 is going 
to be better. 

1061
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,920
It is a little bit heavier than 
the Elite 2, but it's better 

1062
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,920
balanced. 
So those are two different shoes

1063
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,200
and both great. 
The Elite 2 is going to be be 

1064
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,120
sitting with that alpha fly, 
that cloud boom strike. 

1065
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,640
The Pro 4 is going to be sitting
a little bit closer to some of 

1066
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,720
the other shoes in the market 
that aren't quite like the 

1067
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,800
highest of the highest level and
price. 

1068
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,680
But I think for a lot of people,
stiffness and a better balance, 

1069
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,920
right, is what's going to 
differentiate those two. 

1070
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Do you want to give your 
thoughts on the sinister or is 

1071
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,080
there any, any other 
differentiation you would get 

1072
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,840
before you put in, before we 
jump into the sinister? 

1073
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,720
No, I think we hit it, then the 
sinister goes and breaks all the

1074
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,240
rules. 
So it's very low profile, very 

1075
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,320
flexible, very grippy. 
Like, I mean, this thing is it's

1076
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,560
sinister, man. 
It's super narrow too, by the 

1077
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,760
way, it. 
Is narrow, it's just like a 

1078
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,400
track spike like it definitely 
fits like a track spike if you 

1079
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,240
haven't had a track spike on 
before. 

1080
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:41,000
Lower volume, snug fit, little 
bit more narrow. 

1081
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,360
It also kind of undercuts in 
that midfoot a little bit if I 

1082
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,080
remember correctly. 
I don't have my pair anymore. 

1083
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,640
I ran mine into the ground, so 
that's compliments to that shoe.

1084
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,520
But yeah, it's undercut a little
bit. 

1085
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,520
Very neutral shoe. 
Very, very neutral shoe. 

1086
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:03,000
So 150 dollars, 4.9 oz 139 grams
men's size 94.3 oz 122 grams, 

1087
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,680
women's size 8 stack high 25 in 
the heel, 19 in the heel. 

1088
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,280
Wait, wait. 19 in the four foot 
and 6mm drop. 

1089
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:17,440
So that is actually track legal.
I'm sure they put 25 on purpose 

1090
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,160
to make that track legal if 
you're sensitive to spikes, but 

1091
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,520
it is a power in PB midsole. 
So kind of like that firmer but 

1092
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,040
still bouncy Piba based midsole.
And yeah, it's flexible, low 

1093
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,520
profile, grippy. 
For me. 

1094
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,440
I didn't personally love it for 
racing specifically over a track

1095
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,360
spike per SE, at least at the 
time when I was testing it, 

1096
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,840
maybe more now. 
I mean, I'm a little bit more 

1097
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,520
sensitive to spikes than I was 
then, but it's a low profile 

1098
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,600
shoe and it's flexible and but I
loved it for track work. 

1099
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,560
I really liked it for like 
anything that was like shy of 

1100
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,640
maybe 2K intervals, you know, I 
mean, like you could obviously 

1101
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,640
race 5K, even 10, like 10K in 
that shoe. 

1102
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,920
Some people might even take it 
longer, but I feel like 10K is 

1103
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,640
probably the ceiling for most 
people on that and it grips well

1104
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,720
at corners. 
Well, it can, you know, it's, 

1105
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,280
it's a good shoe. 
I mean, I use it mostly for 

1106
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,120
workouts, but you could easily 
justify road 5 KS and 10 KS as 

1107
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,640
well as track 5 KS and 10 KS. 
And if you, if it really came 

1108
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,920
down to it and you just hated 
spikes, it's really light and 

1109
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,600
it's responsive enough. 
Like you could probably still 

1110
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,280
run a 15 in that if you wanted 
to. 

1111
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,680
It's just at that point, I think
if you're raising 1500, though, 

1112
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:35,840
most people are probably spiking
up. 

1113
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,040
But if you had to and you really
didn't like spikes, like you 

1114
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,480
could kind of hit all the 
distances on the track with that

1115
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,200
model. 
But again, very flexible. 

1116
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,120
I mean, it's kind of like the 
last true traditional flat that 

1117
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,880
I we really have, right? 
Like that low profile flexible 

1118
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,640
grippy shoe again. 
And you can use that probably 

1119
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,240
for cross country too. 
Definitely 10K down I think is 

1120
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,320
where that shoe shines. 
Outside of the couple of zealots

1121
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,680
out there that can really handle
lower minimal profile shoes. 

1122
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,440
They might love that for 
marathon or half if for that 

1123
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,560
specific population. 
I don't. 

1124
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,640
I wouldn't personally do that, 
but there are some people out 

1125
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,160
there that can take those types 
of shoes and just go Hammer 26. 

1126
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,120
And good for them. 
But yeah, this is this is like 

1127
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,040
the last one of the last 
remaining shoes. 

1128
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,760
I would say one of the closest 
shoes for those that want a 

1129
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,920
wider fit is the what is it the 
Topo Specter? 

1130
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Specter OR. 
No Cyclone. 

1131
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,440
I'm sorry, I messed it up. 
The Cyclone 3 is probably the 

1132
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,160
other option. 
It's not quite as light. 

1133
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,120
It's still got a super foam, but
it's not plated, more flexible. 

1134
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,560
So if you want, if you have a 
narrow foot and you want that 

1135
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,240
snugger fit, the Sinister is 
going to be great. 

1136
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,600
If you need a wider option, 
that's where the Cyclone is 

1137
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,080
going to be. 
But it's still one of the 

1138
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,840
lightest shoes on the market, 
although there are some that 

1139
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,560
have gotten lighter now that 
actually our super shoes like a 

1140
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,200
361 mirror that came out. 
There's a couple other shoes 

1141
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,320
that we may be that I've been 
snooping around on the Internet,

1142
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,480
in fact. 
One, it's comparable. 

1143
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,360
It's like 5 ounces. 
It's still it's heavier tech 5. 

1144
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,600
.1 oz. 
I mean by the background plate. 

1145
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Yeah, so those who want that 
more classic minimal racing shoe

1146
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,800
feel, this is probably one of 
the final ones out there that's 

1147
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,600
like this. 
It's light on the it's close to 

1148
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,640
the ground. 
It feels a much lower drop than 

1149
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,480
that six. 
So if you like that, great. 

1150
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,320
Just know it fits super snug. 
This is very different than the 

1151
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,800
rest of the Endorpha line. 
And the reason it's not part of 

1152
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,000
the Endorphin series is it's not
got some kind of stiffening 

1153
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,120
agent. 
It's flexible. 

1154
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,840
It does it's a lower stack 
height. 

1155
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,800
So this is a. 
Rare rocker, too. 

1156
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,960
Yeah, it's not rocker. 
It's the rare final minimal 

1157
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,760
shoe. 
Almost wonder if you could call 

1158
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,880
it a like type A. 
You mentioned this like a Type 

1159
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,240
A. 
Yeah. 

1160
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,920
Like it could have been just the
continuation of that line. 

1161
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,040
That's where that's at. 
So that is the faster line for 

1162
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,600
the speed line, not the speed 
line. 

1163
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,240
The what do you call it? 
Yeah, the the racing line for 

1164
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,160
Saucony. 
Do you want to start us out on 

1165
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,440
some of the trail stuff? 
I can't be the first one on that

1166
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,600
list there. 
I don't have and I haven't 

1167
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,400
actually. 
Let let me let us run through 

1168
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,200
this. 
So we there's a couple different

1169
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,000
ones. 
There's actually more than this,

1170
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,360
but we're going to go through 
the really, really big ones and 

1171
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,680
we'll explain the purpose. 
Even though we haven't gotten 

1172
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,960
we're not a trail running review
site, we do get trail shoes. 

1173
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,120
We do our best, but we're 
primarily Rd. but we still want 

1174
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,520
to give you some options for 
trail. 

1175
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,680
So the couple ones out there are
going to be the the Saucony Ride

1176
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,200
TR2, which we have not run in. 
We run in the the the ride Teen 

1177
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Trail, which is just a trail 
version of the ride series. 

1178
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,680
It was a great shoe. 
It was great. 

1179
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,960
The other standard Saucony trail
shoe is the Saucony Peregrine 15

1180
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,640
that we'll talk about. 
The kind of more cushion version

1181
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,880
of this shoe is going to be the 
Exodus Ultra three more foam 

1182
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,480
under foot, a little bit 
heavier, very different than 

1183
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,280
past ones. 
And then their racing trail line

1184
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,640
is a little odd because they've 
been there for several years. 

1185
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,800
We really haven't seen updates 
and I don't know what's going to

1186
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
happen with these. 
You can still find them and a 

1187
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,000
lot. 
They're actually on sale. 

1188
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,360
So the sockney endorphin edge 
and the endorphin Rift are the 

1189
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,200
two trail racing shoes. 
The edge is the carbon plated or

1190
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,280
the carbon tax plated one and 
the Sockney Endorphin. 

1191
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,920
Rift is the same thing. 
Yeah, yeah, the Endorphin Rift 

1192
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,280
is the non plated super foam 
version of that shoe, which is 

1193
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,120
unique as a trail shoe. 
So there's no stiffening agent 

1194
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,600
there. 
So the Saucony Ride TR is pretty

1195
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,800
TR 2 is pretty simple, meaning 
it's really just the ride 

1196
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,840
basically the Ride 17 
essentially, correct me if I'm 

1197
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,400
wrong, with the power and plus 
with just some lugs and a more 

1198
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,440
durable outsole, which makes it 
a little bit heavier. 

1199
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,280
So it's 10.4 oz, like 296 grams 
from men, size 9 on 8mm drop up 

1200
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,960
3527mm shoe, just like the last 
previous versions. 

1201
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,240
Some decent lugs on it. 
But if you're like, hey, I 

1202
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,760
don't, I don't really need this 
crazy new trail shoe, which 

1203
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,080
trail shoes are often different.
I just like the ride and I want 

1204
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,880
to a trail version of a road 
shoe. 

1205
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,600
That's really what this yeah, 
all terrain shoe. 

1206
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,440
That's really what this is. 
That's the simplest way to 

1207
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,280
describe this. 
When you get into the Peregrine,

1208
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,240
that's where things change a 
little bit. 

1209
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,000
So the Peregrine 15 this shoe 
has gone through a lot of 

1210
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,240
changes. 
It's been maximalized, meaning 

1211
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,200
it's not it's not the high, it's
not high stack height, but it's 

1212
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,160
a lot taller and less nimble 
than it what it used to, but 

1213
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,880
it's still the nimble trail shoe
of the Saucony line. 

1214
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,320
It's got it's 9.8 oz for men's 
size nine 278 grams, 31 

1215
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,080
millimeters in heel 27 on the 
four foot a 4mm drop. 

1216
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,600
So it's very low on the heel 
drop, which it it definitely 

1217
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,280
feels like that, but it's gotten
a lot taller. 

1218
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,560
So it's still AI think it's a 
power run. 

1219
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,880
I was also checking yeah, so fun
fact, power Run midsole, but 

1220
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
they're using that power run 
plus insole. 

1221
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,880
So it does have a teeny but a 
bouncer and I love when Sakhni 

1222
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,440
does that. 
I. 

1223
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,480
Forgot to mention they do that. 
Yeah, and it makes it just to 

1224
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,280
give a little bit more bounce. 
So if you wanted a non super 

1225
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,120
like slightly quicker, more 
nimble trail shoe that wasn't a 

1226
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,840
super shoe, this is a great one.
It's nimble, it can move pretty 

1227
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,000
quick. 
It's lower drops if you like 

1228
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,200
that, that's where it's the 
lowest drop of all of these 

1229
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,240
ones. 
And it's really the true trail 

1230
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,600
shoe as opposed. 
The ride, which is. 

1231
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,440
Again, daily training a. 
Little more of a daily training 

1232
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,160
shoe, this one can pick it up 
just because it's got a slightly

1233
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,120
lower stack, although not as low
as it used to be. 

1234
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,000
And I know I'm complaining 
because I like the older one and

1235
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,960
just a little more bounce, as 
always, this fits just a teeny 

1236
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,600
bit more snug and lower volume 
as many trail shoes do. 

1237
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,840
But yeah, that's the lower stack
height of the Saucony trail 

1238
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,440
line. 
When you move into the Exodus, 

1239
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,360
that's where it really changes. 
And this shoe has really, really

1240
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,760
changed and went to a higher 
stack height. 

1241
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,320
Enter in just feels heavier. 
It's a heavier shoe. 

1242
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,560
It's 10.9 oz or 309 grams for 
men's size 99.4 oz or 266g for 

1243
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,640
men. 
For women's size, 836mm heal 30 

1244
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,480
in the four foot. 
It does not feel like that. 

1245
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,360
It feels much higher stack. 
And it's really meant to be that

1246
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,160
bulldozer of a shoe now or it 
used to be really nimble. 

1247
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,600
This is where the Exodus and the
Exodus Ultra now intervene or 

1248
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,280
like come together, whereas the 
old Exodus used to be just this 

1249
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,840
hiking shoe and the Exodus Ultra
was the running shoe and they've

1250
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,560
intervened where you kind of got
both. 

1251
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,120
It's not as light as it used to 
be, but it is really durable and

1252
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,200
can handle anything you throw at
it. 

1253
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,400
So especially long distance 
ultra marathon, if you need to 

1254
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,560
going back and forth between 
running and hiking, this is a 

1255
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,200
really good option, but it's not
as nimble as it used to be. 

1256
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,400
So this is the higher cushion 
model of those two. 

1257
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,400
Any thoughts on what I just said
before I jump into the edge and 

1258
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Endorphin Rift? 
No, no, I think it's good. 

1259
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,480
I haven't actually been able to 
get my hands on an Exodus Ultra 

1260
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,520
3 to go over the changes, 
though. 

1261
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,760
Like I noticed it's much wider 
and like more stack. 

1262
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,640
That seems to be noticeable 
because I mean, that's the stack

1263
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,240
right there of this one. 
This is the run Shield version 

1264
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,240
of the previous version. 
And so you could see grippy 

1265
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,200
legs. 
This is a more weatherproof kind

1266
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,800
of upper. 
But yeah, it was a power on PB 

1267
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,840
inner core with a thick like Eva
kind of outer casing was kind of

1268
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,840
how the Exit Ultra used to be. 
But yeah, that was just 

1269
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,240
differences. 
But looking at the Edge and the 

1270
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,400
Rift there. 
So the Edge is the main carbon 

1271
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,920
plated racing model for the 
company and that comes in around

1272
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:40,280
$200. 9 oz 255g men's size 97.8 
oz 221 grams women's size 8 

1273
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,600
power run PB midsole, carbon 
plated. 

1274
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,480
I don't know what the lug depth 
is on that. 

1275
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,080
It's probably like 4mm maybe? 
Yeah, 3 and I think 3:00 to 

1276
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,280
4:00, I don't quote. 
Yeah, like prominent but not 

1277
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,960
super deep, you know. 
So it was actually, it's a 

1278
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,760
pretty nice shoe. 
I felt like the upper moved 

1279
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,360
around a tiny bit, you know, but
for the most part it kind of 

1280
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,360
felt like almost like an 
Endorphin Pro 3 but with a trail

1281
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,400
kind of focus on it. 
It's kind of how it felt. 

1282
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,200
And yeah, it's like the people 
based midsole carbon bladed 

1283
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,840
trail racing shoe. 
And it's really nice. 

1284
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,560
And it because of the softness 
of the people based midsole, you

1285
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,160
can even run some Rd. on it as 
well. 

1286
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,160
So if you're doing some road to 
trail or if you know you're 

1287
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,000
running a course, Yeah, I mean, 
I did it too. 

1288
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,080
If you are doing a course where 
you know that there might be 

1289
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,000
some variance in the terrain, 
that shoe can run on the road 

1290
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,440
just as well as it can run on 
the trail. 

1291
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,080
So it's a very versatile trail 
model that's out there. 

1292
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,720
Endorphin Rift is kind of a 
similar concept in design, but 

1293
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,080
without that stiffening agent. 
And so that is that 170 dollars,

1294
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:53,480
8.3 oz 244g men's size 97.3 oz 
207 grams women's size 8, 33mm 

1295
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,480
of stack in the heel, 27mm of 
stack in the four foot for a 6mm

1296
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,800
drop. 
And I didn't realize that the 

1297
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,440
stack on that was was lower by 
3mm. 

1298
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,560
I don't know why I never put 
that together until reading that

1299
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,000
off. 
I remember that, I remember 

1300
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,080
that, but it always. 
Feels softer. 

1301
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,680
Yeah, it did feel like that 
part. 

1302
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,560
Yeah, there's no plate, so it 
feels softer. 

1303
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,920
It's actually the lighter shoe. 
So I would say the Rift is kind 

1304
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,800
of like almost the speed 
equivalent, except it goes in 

1305
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,840
the opposite way as it's the 
lighter version. 

1306
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,240
So if you don't want a plate, 
which not everybody wants a 

1307
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,360
plate in a racing shoe or trail 
racing shoe, you want a little 

1308
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,640
more flexibility. 
It's actually more stable in my 

1309
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,520
opinion, because of the side 
walls and just the way you sit. 

1310
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,000
It's a little closer. 
So if you wanted that a little 

1311
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,200
more room in the upper, as you 
can see really locked those 

1312
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,600
laces down, but just want like 
one of the lighter trail racing 

1313
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,680
shoes on the market with this 
super foam. 

1314
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,920
This is actually a really, 
really good option as opposed if

1315
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,600
you want more of that 
traditional super trainer, super

1316
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,840
racer trail shoe, that's where 
the edge is going to come in, 

1317
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,680
which it's got some pretty solid
competition now from some other 

1318
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,000
shoes on the market. 
So I'm very curious to see do 

1319
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,840
they have an edge to we haven't 
heard anything, but these are 

1320
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,520
the two primary if you want 
super racing line with super 

1321
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,520
foam, not necessarily the 
highest stack heights on the 

1322
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,680
market, because when you have 
trail, that's a little bit more 

1323
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,320
difficult. 
And we've seen that with some 

1324
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,520
other companies that have tried 
that and hasn't always worked 

1325
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,640
out super well. 
But this is your super shoe 

1326
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,600
option, whereas the Exodus and 
the Peregrine and the Ride are 

1327
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,640
going to be more of your more 
traditional options. 

1328
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,320
If you don't want something 
super soft and bouncy, if you 

1329
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,760
want to be a little bit more 
grounded, if you want to go a 

1330
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,520
little lighter, a little closer 
to the ground, that's where the 

1331
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,600
Peregrine's going to be. 
If you want something like that,

1332
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,360
versatile, like you said, the 
Road to Trail ride TR 2 is going

1333
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,040
to come in. 
But if you want that ultra heavy

1334
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,760
duty bulldozer of a shoe, that's
where the Exodus Ultra 3 is 

1335
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,120
going to come in. 
And that is our summary of the 

1336
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,720
primary trail or not the primary
shoes within the Saucony lineup.

1337
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,880
There's a lot of things. 
There's really something for 

1338
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,520
everyone if you're looking for a
guidance stability shoe, a 

1339
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,880
neutral shoe, a highly cushioned
shoe, a variety of racing shoes 

1340
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,920
for literally almost every 
person out there, from minimal 

1341
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,160
to the bounciest, softest shoe 
on the market. 

1342
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,160
Variety of things in the trail 
world if just kind of fitting 

1343
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,920
for a lot of different people. 
So it's a pretty versatile 

1344
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,960
company. 
And there's even more shoes 

1345
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,160
actually that you can find if 
you need some IT friendly 

1346
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,880
options. 
Why I just thought this? 

1347
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,800
Cohesion has been out forever. 
Yeah, cohesion. 

1348
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,000
It is still going. 
It's one of those classic like 

1349
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,080
neutral. 
Locations. 

1350
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,840
That's cool. 
Yeah, I did too. 

1351
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,040
It's a it's a classic shoe. 
A lot of people wear it. 

1352
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,840
You'll find it a lot of big box 
stores and it does fairly well. 

1353
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,400
It's been updated over the 
years. 

1354
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,320
Why am I forgetting the what was
the trail shoe that actually was

1355
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,400
so awesome? 
It was the budget trail shoe 

1356
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,880
that was actually phenomenal 
because. 

1357
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,040
We can ask Doctor Google real 
quick on this there Google 

1358
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,880
Saucony trail budget shoe. 
Let's see what it gives me. 

1359
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,960
It was something. 
Was it the TR? 

1360
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,200
I'm drawing blanks. 
Blaze TR. 

1361
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,520
Is that. 
Yes. 

1362
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,160
There we go, There we go. 
Blaze TR was legit a good and 

1363
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,040
you can find this well under 100
bucks. 

1364
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,920
Yeah, it was a great shoe. 
So nice budget friendly trail 

1365
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,680
option. 
Saucony has a little bit of 

1366
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,360
something for everyone, very 
unique. 

1367
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,840
Again, they tend to fit a little
bit more snug than other 

1368
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,320
companies, have a variety of 
different foams and the foams 

1369
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,400
are going to match different 
things for different people. 

1370
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,600
But again, that is our overview 
of the Saucony shoes. 

1371
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,840
There are some updates. 
So know that we're going to be 

1372
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,680
missing some things on the Speed
5, Hurricane 20 or the Hurricane

1373
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,760
25 and the Triumph 23. 
It will update this. 

1374
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,320
Update our. 
Views. 

1375
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,240
I don't what was the profile. 
I don't know. 

1376
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,240
I haven't, I haven't seen it, 
but I don't know. 

1377
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,480
We got a speed 5 coming maybe. 
No, I think Pro 5 is together. 

1378
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,920
Pro 5 I think is 2026. 
I mean, I don't know, but I 

1379
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,320
haven't seen it anywhere. 
Somebody. 

1380
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,640
No, I've just, I've just me. 
I've seen some. 

1381
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,680
Images that I found on Reddit 
that got taken down but that's 

1382
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,360
that's me. 
How do you find everything 

1383
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,080
before it gets? 
Taken down, No idea. 

1384
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,640
I don't know luck. 
So yeah, that's our full review.

1385
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,400
Please let us know in the 
comments below. 

1386
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,400
Do you agree or disagree with 
with us on any of the comments? 

1387
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,440
We always want to create a 
resource for people. 

1388
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,160
And then also the last but not 
least thing, we really hope this

1389
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,200
is helpful. 
We're always open to feedback 

1390
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,279
and we're trying to grow. 
And we'll continue to do this 

1391
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,720
with other companies as we get 
full lineups because we want to 

1392
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,160
help you figure out how to 
choose the best shoe for you 

1393
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,240
among this crazy sea of shoes 
that exists now, which variety 

1394
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,160
is good? 
Sometimes adding a little 

1395
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,640
direction could be helpful. 
So as always hope this is 

1396
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,439
helpful and hope you have a good
time whenever you are listening 

1397
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:35,720
to this.