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Recovering from an injury can 
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return to your running and 
sometimes that means decreasing 

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the amount of stress on your 
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The lever movement system is 
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physical therapist with patients
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have been returning from 
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the return back because it can 
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the body takes with running, 
allowing you to do a really 

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intentional and sequential 
return without overloading the 

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tissues. 
One of the great parts about it 

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is that it's a completely mobile
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to pretty much any treadmill and
the affordability is so low. 

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I've had multiple patients be 
able to purchase it on their own

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where sometimes offloading 
systems can cost 10s of 

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thousands of dollars. 
The lever movement system 

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actually starts under 1000. 
And so if you are looking to try

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to find a way to continue to 
return back to running smart or 

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just to manage some of the 
little niggles that come along 

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with running, but keep your 
running volume, I would take a 

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look at the lever movement 
system. 

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So if you want to learn more, 
you can go to levermovement.com.

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Dor 20. 
Hello everybody, and welcome to 

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the Doctors of Running podcast 
where we, a group of doctors of 

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physical therapy, discussed the 
art and science of running and 

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the stuff that we put on our 
feet at the round table tonight,

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we have Doctor Matthew Klein, 
who's the founder of Doctors of 

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Running, as well as Doctor David
Salas and I'm Nathan Brown. 

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We are pumped to be together, 
and we are especially pumped 

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because we get to do a mailbag 
today. 

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We love getting to dive into the
mailbag. 

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We get a ton of great questions 
from people, so many of them 

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that we don't get to. 
And so we love the opportunity 

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to try to talk a little bit 
longer about some of the 

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questions that not only are 
really interesting, but also 

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represent a larger array of 
questions, even though we can't 

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get to every single individual 
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So we've got a great lineup of 
questions today that we're going

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to be talking about. 
But first we do want to talk 

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about what we have been testing,
what we've had on our feet. 

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So what do you all have that 
you've been testing lately? 

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David, do you want to start? 
Yeah, I'll start with the 

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apparel, trying to do a better 
job of highlighting some of 

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those things as they come in. 
But I've actually had this one 

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for a little bit. 
But this is the Cle Daily Tea or

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DLY T-shirt. 
It took us a little bit to 

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decipher that before the 
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Here's a little logo for those 
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It's pretty much just like a, 
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Not much going on from an 
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nice material is really good. 
Yeah, it actually Wicks moisture

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really, really well. 
So it's been one of my go TOS 

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for just kind of going out for 
runs if I know I'm going to 

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sweat a lot. 
So I really like it, and then I 

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have some issues. 
What's up? 

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Got it. 
I have a question about that 

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shirt. 
Is it more kind of like upscale 

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cotton feel or is it more like 
on performance tee feel? 

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No, this is a running tee for 
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This is not like, yeah, I'm not.
It looks nice enough. 

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I think the lifestyle when 
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But no, this is definitely a 
running T Yeah. 

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I could easily go hit track 
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like or go for a long run or 
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Yeah, This is not like that red 
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back where it was more kind of 
like nice cotton. 

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Like this is definitely a 
running material. 

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Yeah, that's a good. 
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performance to your note? 
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one of our favorites as like 
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It's close. 
I think the material is more 

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comfortable, but I think the on 
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better at the wicking like this 
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feels really nice right, but I 
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buckets, I think I probably 
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close they're really nice. 
These are really nice. 

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So yeah, 11 running in them. 
I've got 2 shoes here. 

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Both of them are going to be 
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daily trainers. 
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a daily trainer for like a road 
running shoe that was adapted to

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handle a little bit of off 
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And so the first one it's going 
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Gravel. 
Now this shoe, I was very 

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surprised. 
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surprised. 
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really liked the experience of 
it, but it was a little unstable

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for me. 
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platform, it's pretty narrow 
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The midsole is kind of like this
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like really bouncy, but like 
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and kind of a thinner upper like
it was super lightweight and 

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fun, but it was really it was 
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outsole, firmed up the ride a 
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more stable, tractions a lot 
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bit stiffer too. 
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And it's at 8.7 oz. 
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like that's kind of crazy. 
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the Solomon Aeroblaze 3 gravel, 
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you can pick up the pace a 
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and it's decently secure in 
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if you're going for a daily run 
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multiple different types of 
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Another shoe that's also very 
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it's a little bit different is 
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Wild 2. 
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Very nice shoe, very very nice 
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The only thing with this one, 
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one is a very like noticeable 
bounce beaded TPU like this 

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feels just kind of like your 
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There's not really like super. 
You don't get a whole lot out of

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it, but the rocker is really 
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The platform is really good 
traction is great, even though 

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the lugs aren't very deep. 
It's that Max track, just ultra 

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outsole. 
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I was able to run like some 
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everything I wanted to like. 
It feels like it leans more 

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trail than Rd. but it can 
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trainer. 
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gravel. 
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harder for the people that are 
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same price. 
They're like 140, which is I 

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think a steal for both of the 
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So ultra, you get a little bit 
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that. 
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lower than some of the other 
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but locks down really well if 
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Solomon in general tends to just
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up, but it's fine. 
It didn't feel overly narrow, it

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just felt like it wasn't wide. 
With the Solomon gravel, does it

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attachments? 
Because the ultra shoot does, it

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does not, so that could be. 
Attachments. 

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I feel like you just make it a 
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Gator related every podcast. 
I don't think it's every 

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podcast, but I do think that 
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for somebody like they got a 
really like small rocks or dusty

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kind of thing. 
Could be, could be worth. 

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It's almost like if I had to 
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it's almost like Rd. shoe that 
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it's like trail shoe that can do
some Rd., you know what I mean? 

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That's good, yeah. 
Yeah, and for the listeners, 

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because you can't see what I 
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slight trail being the Aeroblaze
3 gravel and the trail that can 

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do some Rd. the experience wild 
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That's what I got on my feet and
my. 

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Closet my take on the experience
Wild 2 is that it fits that box 

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of hey, you want a shoe that's 
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nothing fancy, nothing exotic, 
but can hike and can run a lot 

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like it can run really well, but
it definitely can hike. 

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That fits the bill for that 
because there's some flexibility

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in the forefoot still. 
There's a little bit of toe 

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spring, but I like that shoe. 
I wore it all day today doing 

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stuff just simple stuff around 
the yard. 

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We went to an apple orchard and 
that was just the shoe that I 

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was in because it's comfortable 
and it's nice to be out doing 

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stuff in it and being on your 
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It is more stable than the 
Aeroblaze 3 Gravel 2, a little 

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bit wider, firmer foam like the 
Aeroblaze 3 felt kind of 

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unstable to me, and then this 
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but it didn't make it stable, 
you know, I just kind of made it

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neutral. 
Yeah, Matt, what about you? 

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I don't really have anything new
at the moment. 

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We're in a a quiet period where 
I'm trying to get miles on some 

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shoes and hopefully get some 100
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But honestly it's been I've been
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decided to get back to something
that I really enjoy and I've 

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just been hammering miles in the
A6 gel Keanu. 

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Oh crap, that cat. 
Give it one shot, you got this. 

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Hey ya. 
Oh. 

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No. 
You had it last, Kiano. 

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We're doing so. 
Kiano, kiano, kiano. 

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Kiano Kiano, I'm very tired Gel 
Kiano. 

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I've got almost 200 miles on 
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I did for the first time I think
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I ripped one of the outsole pods
off and the heels actually still

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intact, which I found a little 
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It just did like 1213 in this 
this morning. 

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It was totally fine, even 
missing a chunk. 

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It's just been such a great shoe
that I keep gravitating back 

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towards this year and it's 
definitely one of my if not we 

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to see that there might be 
something coming up, but it's 

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definitely my stability shoe of 
the year. 

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It's just been such a fantastic 
right. 

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It's not light, it's not the 
fastest shoe, but man, getting 

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into a rhythm, being 
comfortable, breaking in really,

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really nicely holding it. 
The midstles holds up really, 

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really well and just the 
stability with the 40 guidance 

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is like the more I've run in 
this more I can feel that like I

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get bounced out and it really 
support like facilitates a kind 

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of a better movement pattern for
me. 

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We're just cuz I tend to pronate
and I hold there. 

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It really helps you bounce out 
and it's taking some pressure 

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off Achilles and post tips. 
So it's just a great shoe that 

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I've really, really enjoyed. 
I keep trying to also get, I 

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don't mean to be rude, what I'm 
about ready to say. 

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I've been really trying to get 
miles in the a 60 two 2014 and 

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man, I hate that shoes heel so 
much. 

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It is just not working for me 
and I actually think it might be

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one of the things that gave me 
Achilles tendonopathy other than

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overtraining a couple months ago
just. 

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That little, just that little 
overtraining feature. 

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But it had to be the. 
Shoe that didn't help, but yeah,

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but it's just like every time I 
put that on it just like sets me

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back with my Achilles and I'm 
like this this thing like the 

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the heel just like for those who
can't see this like it the heel 

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tab just like digs inwards. 
It looks like comes it points 

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forward. 
It should point straight up. 

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So I'm trying to get miles 
because I want to do 100 mile 

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review because it's a popular 
shoe. 

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But man, that shoe might kill 
me. 

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So when you're when you're 
saying that you're saying the 

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heel, you're talking about the 
heel cup. 

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That's the part that you're not 
a fan of. 

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It's the heel cup and how it's 
digging. 

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Like instead of having like a 
retro curve, it just continues 

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to follow the calcaneus shape 
and digs into your Achilles. 

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Makes sense? 
I also hate the the heel 

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transition as well like they had
a decent bevel as in the 

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previous version that I just I 
don't know what happened or I'm 

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just yeah, but 4 foot forward is
a great shoe. 

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The rear foot stinks and I'm 
just struggling and some people 

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I'm sure love it, but I'm I'm 
struggling with that shoe racing

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shoe wise. 
Yeah, nothing honestly new. 

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I'll just hammering Mars miles 
in the endorphin pro 4 from 

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socketing. 
Really loving that shoe. 

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Seen photos of some interesting 
stuff from socketing. 

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So we've seen the Endorphin Pro 
5, which looks to be mostly an 

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upper update, which I'm really 
excited and we haven't gotten 

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that yet, but I'm just going to 
you know what, the last comment,

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I haven't tested it. 
I'm going to save for one of the

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mailbag questions. 
So yeah, not nothing new right 

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now. 
OK, great. 

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Can't talk about it well. 
I can't talk about. 

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It I can, I just want to save it
I'll. 

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Save it for later. 
Keep the people I. 

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Mean they haven't told me not to
talk about it and we don't have 

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it, so I'm just going to say 
whatever I want. 

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You've seen it online kind of a 
thing. 

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Yeah, my. 
Point long episode. 

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There's nothing I have that I 
can't talk about right now. 

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I'm not used. 
To this. 

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That's boring. 
Or is. 

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There as people know. 
No, no, there's nothing I can't 

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talk about. 
There was almost something that 

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I couldn't talk about, but it's 
not here yet. 

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That's really funny. 
Well, if you're new, if you're 

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new here and this is your first 
time listening to Doctor Zreni, 

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David has a way of always 
bringing up a shoe that is 

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already what's under what's 
under what's called embargo, 

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meaning that we have the shoe, 
we might be testing it, but they

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said you can't talk about it 
publicly until a certain date. 

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And he just loves to bring them 
up. 

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I think it just tickles him. 
It makes him happy to do that. 

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I don't like any Ndas. 
I don't give any. 

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He doesn't. 
I'm very good at. 

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It I don't give anything out 
that would actually make you 

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think of what shoe it actually 
is. 

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You just say you can't talk 
about. 

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It it's like HIPAA but for 
shoes. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
The students who graduated last 

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year, they had this joke that I 
was not able to, like, 

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participate in because they know
it's a joke, but they would 

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always be like, oh, HIPAA sorry.
And they're like, yeah, because 

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if you say HIPAA sorry, it 
doesn't matter if you broke 

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HIPAA. 
That was their joke, that if you

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just say HIPAA, sorry, it covers
all of the HIPAA sins. 

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And they were joking. 
But as a, as one of their 

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instructors, I couldn't laugh at
it. 

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I think it's kind of funny. 
For the lawyers that listen to 

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doctors running, let us know if 
that if there's legal grounds 

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for. 
That definitely is not going to 

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say HIPAA. 
Sorry, I think so. 

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Definitely sure that doesn't 
work but I I am not a lawyer so 

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I can't comment. 
I don't have no idea. 

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It's not with my skill set, so 
I. 

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As some people may know I was 
trying to train up for that 50K.

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My foot got mad, so I've really 
only been running 3 to 6 miles a

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week after a couple weeks off 
and my toes coming around, which

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is great. 
I've just been running in shoes 

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that are happy for my foot. 
So it's ones that have a bit of 

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a rocker and just have the right
amount of cushioning. 

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So I've been back in the SC 
Trainer version 3 quite a bit. 

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That's been the happy shoe for 
my foot lately. 

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And actually the Cloud Boom E3 
is one that just the rocker and 

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the foam consistency just feels 
really good on my foot. 

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So I've gotten some mileage in 
on those. 

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Again, mileage being very, very 
small, and I've also been 

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running in this. 
I have a athlete that I coach 

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who got it for me and it's an 
awesome hat. 

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It says running is dope. 
It's from sprints, I think is 

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the company, but they got this 
for me as a thank you gift one 

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time. 
Yeah, this one's nice. 

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It's like a trucker hat style. 
So if you like kind of that kind

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of larger fit in the front, but 
it's comfortable in the back 

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run, I run with it. 
It's a good time, but that's 

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what we're testing. 
That's what we've got on our 

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feet. 
So again, if you want to check 

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out anything from Scratch Labs, 
who makes this segment happen, 

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you can go over to Scratch Labs 
and use the code docs of running

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for 20% off your first order. 
But let's dive into the mailbag.

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We have a lot of really good 
questions. 

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We're going to start with this 
one from Lee. 

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And Lee asks this first. 
They say thank you for all that 

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you do. 
The time and effort you put 

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forth is helping runners 
appreciate that. 

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They say. 
I run on average 20 miles a 

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week. 
And last year running store 

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recommended the Adidas Supernova
Solution One to help provide 

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mild stability. 
At the time I was trying to run 

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in the Nova Blast 4 from a six, 
which bothered my knees. 

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I've done extremely well in the 
Solution. 

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I've completed 2 slowish 
marathons in them, but I'm 

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looking for something a little 
more fun. 

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I look at the shoe landscape and
see so many different exciting 

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super trainers. 
I desperately wish I could find 

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one that agrees with me. 
Don't get me wrong, the Solution

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is great, but it's not very 
exciting. 

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It's like driving a reliable 
Honda Civic, but sometimes I 

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want to sit in a Porsche. 
Any recommendations? 

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What do we got for Lee first? 
First, can we talk about what 

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the Adidas salute like talk 
about that shoe first, What do 

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we know about the solution? 
And Matt, you might have the 

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best insight on this one. 
I think I'm the only one that's 

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running it, but so the Adidas 
solution. 

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So I did I ran in version 1. 
I don't know if we read it, but 

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I definitely reviewed version 2 
and it's it wasn't advertised 

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that much. 
It's part of their their 

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supernova line. 
The rise got a little bit more 

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talking about, but essentially A
mild stability shoe that where 

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they had it's it's got actually 
one of their light strike. 

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Oh my gosh, I can't remember. 
It's light strike pro in the 

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top, but there's a Piba based 
foam in the top. 

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It's got a little bit of bounce 
to it. 

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It's tuned to be a little bit 
more for daily training. 

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It can't pick up pace, but it is
very light. 

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It's one it's at that low 9 oz 
range, which there's not many, 

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many stability shoes in that 
realm. 

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So what you're asking for was 
we're going to be looking at the

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stable neutral category, but the
shoes fairly basic mild 

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stability shoe. 
Most of that stability is going 

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to be in the rear foot. 
It transitions A teeny bit into 

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the the mid foot, but a lot of 
it is a little bit through a 

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little wedging, but mostly 
through like stable neutral 

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components of like different 
foams and internal geometry and 

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stuff like that. 
But when you first put it on, it

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doesn't feel like a stability 
shoe. 

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It's not like a whoa medial post
in your foot. 

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It's like this very pleasant 
shoe that you start running and 

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you're like, oh, I think I feel 
that a little bit. 

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And then after like 15 miles 
you're like, huh, that's 

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interesting. 
I'm not as like my knees or my 

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ankles, not as irritated. 
So very mild stability shoe that

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has a little versatility into 
picking up the pace because it 

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is lighter and a little bit 
bouncier, but it's also flexible

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and a little more standard. 
It's very a great shoe kind of 

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more traditional drop 
transitions really well. 

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Despite what looks like 
posterior flare, it's actually 

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got a really nice heel 
transition. 

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But really solitude. 
Very average fit. 

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When you say a wedge, can you 
just describe to the to people 

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what a wedge is and you talk 
about different foams, just how 

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that makes stable neutral? 
Yeah. 

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So they have, they have two 
different foams, just the kind 

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of lighter Piba based foam and 
there's another kind of more 

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traditional foam underneath. 
And so when you when you kind of

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put it on, you can feel that 
there's there's that one of the 

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firmer foam is sitting 
underneath and is slightly 

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angled. 
The angle is pointing a little 

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bit more like is facing more of 
the lateral sides. 

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It's going to that tip you that 
direction. 

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Then there's a softer foam on 
top so that the more you 

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compress that softer foam, the 
more you're going to run into 

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the firmer foam. 
And that pushes you to the 

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outside a little bit. 
Yeah, and that pushes you to the

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outside a little bit. 
Most of that, like I've said, is

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in the heel, but the rear foot. 
But there's some other things 

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like they have the, they say 
there's these rods in it that 

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are actually pretty flexible. 
It creates some stability 

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structure in the forefoot, but I
haven't really felt that. 

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Cool. 
Well, knowing that the Nova 

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Blast wasn't quite enough 
structure for this person, the 

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Nova Blast four, they said, 
which I think has the newer 

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geometry to it. 
It's not like the early ones 

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that were really unstable. 
These these ones have a little 

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bit more new true neutral 
geometry to it. 

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So knowing that that was didn't 
work, what's something maybe a 

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little bit more fun that could 
potentially be worth trying? 

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Yeah, I, I'm going to pool on 
this that I, I wish I could say 

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the sock, any Tempest 2, version
1 you can find on Amazon, but 

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version 2, if you have a narrow 
foot, it might work. 

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But man, that shoe is kind of 
firm. 

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It's definitely a stability 
shoe. 

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So what I'm hearing from this is
you need at least some mild 

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stability. 
Some of the board neutral things

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may may not work. 
Everybody's a little different. 

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So if you're OK with a little 
snappier but firmer, the Saucony

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Tempest is going to be a teeny 
bit lighter. 

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It's just hasn't been an 
exciting ride for me. 

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So that's where I'm going to 
actually head toward things that

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are stable neutral. 
Now I agree, I disagree with 

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Nathan a little bit on this 
earlier, but I would agree that 

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the now after I've run it more 
Mega Blast is a little bit more 

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neutral. 
I think if you're looking ASICS 

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is going to do really, really 
well with stable neutral stuff. 

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the Super blasts could 
definitely be an option just 

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because it is firmer. 
It has a little bit more 

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structure to it. 
The toe box does narrow, though.

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The other option I might suggest
is going to be New Balance SC 

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Trainer version three. 
I would get a half size up just 

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because the sizing's a little 
bit off, but it's also another 

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shoe that like just based on the
geometry, the kind of wider 

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setup, side walls, all the kind 
of stuff, those two shoes and 

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they're a little bit firmer, but
snap. 

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Happier maybe options if you 
want a little bit more Porsche 

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like, but things that are a 
little bit a little more safe 

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for what you're looking for. 
So you're going to need to look 

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for stable neutral because 
unfortunately getting much 

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lighter than the supernova 
solution. 

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There's nothing out there in 
terms of the stability market. 

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We're we're hearing rumors about
the shoe, but it's not been 

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confirmed from the company yet 
and I'll talk about it in a 

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little bit. 
Great, still teasing that one 

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out there. 
Love it. 

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David, do you have any other 
ones that you would think of? 

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Yeah, yeah, the other one that I
would think of and I I agree 

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with Matt on all of that. 
I think the one that first 

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popped in my head was the Super 
Blast 2, just a little bit more 

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stable all around. 
Turbo 5 foam turbo in general is

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just a little bit firmer so I 
feel like that would be a solid 

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option. 
But the other one I was thinking

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which might not be as popular on
this end but is the Hoka Mock 

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X3. 
I was just going to bring it on.

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Yeah. 
You're 100% right. 

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Yeah, a little bit wider frame, 
not quite as wide as Super Blast

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or the SC trainer. 
It's going to lean a little bit 

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closer to neutral, but it's 
still got pretty much all the 

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things you'd be looking for. 
And it's a pretty aggressive 

448
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,080
rocker, good traction under 
foot, lockdown solid. 

449
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,360
It's one of those shoes where it
just really kind of just forces 

450
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,520
you into rhythm. 
And out of the three, I feel 

451
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,000
like that one feels the most 
Porsche like to me. 

452
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,440
I I feel like the Super blast 
too can get going a little bit, 

453
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,760
but it feels more like I want to
just go long and I don't need to

454
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,720
push as much. 
The SC trainer is in the middle.

455
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,400
I feel like it's it's faster 
than the Super Blast, but it's 

456
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240
still lacks some of that tempo 
speed for me. 

457
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,880
Yeah, ironically the mock X3 I 
think is the heaviest of the 

458
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,280
bunch, but it feels the fastest.
Like it feels like I could just 

459
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,960
go RIP a tempo around with it 
immediately if I wanted to. 

460
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,680
I've actually done that quite a 
bit. 

461
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,280
I haven't gotten as many miles 
in version three only because my

462
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,760
Achilles and the lower drop 
hasn't really agreed with me. 

463
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,720
And also the the heel counter is
pretty firm so I've had to avoid

464
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,760
that. 
But I yeah, you are 100% right. 

465
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,840
I think that would be a another 
great option. 

466
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,400
And there's some internal, 
there's the eternal geometry is 

467
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,600
also like, not internal 
geometry, but like the way stuff

468
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,400
is set up where there's a, it's 
kind of like the, there's the 

469
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,320
lateral cut out, which is going 
to take you a little bit more 

470
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,520
lateral. 
There's really decent side walls

471
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,040
on this shoe. 
The mid foot's wider, mid foot's

472
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,280
filled in. 
David, I think you're 100% 

473
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,440
right. 
I think that would be the most 

474
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,560
Porsche like thing worth 
considering and probably based 

475
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,600
on some of the components. 
Not that far off from the 

476
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,240
solution to be honest, even 
though it's not a stability 

477
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,000
shoe. 
It's funny, I was I was totally 

478
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,920
blanking on the name Mach X and 
I had just googled it on my 

479
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040
browser right here. 
I was like Hoka tempo trainer 

480
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,280
with plate. 
What is that called? 

481
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,120
And then it popped up and then 
you said the shoe and I was 

482
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,360
like, there we go. 
It's it's out there. 

483
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,520
What do you guys think? 
I I didn't run in the solution. 

484
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,920
And Matt, you may have been the 
only one, but in terms of like 

485
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,800
leveling up, in terms of kind of
that fun factor, where does the 

486
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,680
Cloud Monster Hyper relate from 
a fun standpoint? 

487
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,000
Because that shoe has a lot of 
stability. 

488
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,920
I think inherently because of 
that cradle it is particularly 

489
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,040
at the heel. 
Do you think that one has more 

490
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,440
fun? 
Because it's I'd say that one's 

491
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,120
more cruiser, kind of like the 
Super Blast, less than like 

492
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Poppy fun. 
And the Super blast feels faster

493
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,720
than the Cloud Monster Hyper. 
Yes, that's true too. 

494
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,520
I have a good, I almost have 100
miles on this. 

495
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,520
But David, I think you have 
actually more experience than I 

496
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,760
do in this shoe. 
Do you want? 

497
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,680
To. 
Comment on that. 

498
00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,720
Why am I keeping bringing this 
shoe up? 

499
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,040
I I don't think it's, yeah, the 
cost of it, but I keep bringing 

500
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,560
it up. 
I don't because I like the shoe.

501
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,720
I love the. 
Shoe, It's a decent shoe. 

502
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Once it breaks in, it's just 
pretty firm. 

503
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,640
And what I was disappointed in, 
it's just it doesn't have for 

504
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520
all the hype around it being all
the stuff, it just does not have

505
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,800
any speed versatility. 
And David, you can disagree with

506
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400
me on that. 
But I will to have speed. 

507
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,480
Yeah, but I for a super, no, 
it's not it's not the Max stack.

508
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,000
I and we can argue on this. 
It's stable, it's great. 

509
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,680
It's a little bit too firm and 
stiff, but I just, I want 

510
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,480
something that I can temple and 
pick up the pace in a little bit

511
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,440
like super blast. 
I've done track workouts and 

512
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,920
it's not the best for it. 
It can handle it. 

513
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,800
I've done temple runs, I've done
workouts. 

514
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,800
This I just wanted to cruise. 
I didn't really want to do 

515
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,000
anything that fast, but that was
maybe that's me and my 

516
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,960
mechanics. 
What do you think? 

517
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,200
I mean I agree with you, but I 
don't think the goal of this was

518
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,120
to go fast. 
Like when I think of the model 

519
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,840
like I think of it almost like 
Vomero and Vomero plus like 

520
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,960
where it's the cloud monster and
the cloud monster Hyper is kind 

521
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000
of like the more plushy version 
of it. 

522
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Hyper hyper though for me I 
don't know. 

523
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:15,120
Hyper Hyper has built in 
marketing of fast hyper hyper 

524
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,160
speed. 
But the phone is literally 

525
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,800
called hyper foam, like HF. 
Yeah. 

526
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,960
So I mean, it's just telling you
that there's Helion HF in the 

527
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,960
shoe. 
It's not necessarily saying it's

528
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,840
a fast shoe and it's not a cloud
boom, right? 

529
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,200
So yeah, that's where the cloud 
boom conversation. 

530
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,800
Yeah, yeah, Cloud Boom Max is 
another story. 

531
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,680
But for Cloud Monster Hyper I I 
don't know, I don't think they 

532
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,200
mismarketed it like I think it's
a great shoe. 

533
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,600
It was one of my favorite daily 
trainers of last year. 

534
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,360
It almost one daily trainer of 
the year for me last year. 

535
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:50,760
It came very close, but I just, 
it's not a shoe I want to go 

536
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560
fast in. 
It's not one of the ones that 

537
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,960
come to mind when I think of a 
Porsche. 

538
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,320
Right. 
That makes sense. 

539
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,000
All right, so let's go to our 
next question. 

540
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,240
And Matt, this one is pretty 
much directed to you because 

541
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,840
we've gotten a lot of questions 
about this. 

542
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,760
And it's this question, Matt, 
what are your current favorite 

543
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,720
shoes for Haglunds, which might 
be more apt than ever right now 

544
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,800
because you've been working 
through kind of irritation to 

545
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,120
your Achilles. 
Can you just talk about first 

546
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,560
briefly, what is a Haglund 
deformity? 

547
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,760
When does it matter and when 
does it not matter? 

548
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,840
And then talk about what shoes 
are your favorites. 

549
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,560
Right, First of all, by the way,
for the 1000 emails getting, 

550
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,720
hey, have you updated the best 
shoes for Haglunds? 

551
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,400
I, we're working on it. 
Please remember that we all 

552
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,400
have, I have like multiple jobs 
and we do this on the side. 

553
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,520
So I'm getting to that. 
I promise I will do that as the 

554
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,640
next Monday shake out and get 
that updated. 

555
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,120
But a Hagglund deformity, 
there's a couple different 

556
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,240
things that can happen actually 
for different, different 

557
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,920
individuals. 
So a Hagglund deformity refers 

558
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,200
to the back of the heel, the 
calcaneus bone. 

559
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,160
So if you go and grab the back 
of your foot, the the rearmost 

560
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,000
bone is going to be called your 
calcaneus bone where the 

561
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Achilles inserts right there. 
In some people it can pull 

562
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480
enough and get irritated and 
there can actually be some Bony 

563
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,120
growth there. 
Sometimes it's just like a 

564
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,440
little bit swelling, but there 
can actually be a Bony growth 

565
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,840
there because there's something 
called Wolf's Law of bone 

566
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440
remodeling that states that 
forever, you know, for all the 

567
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,280
forces placed upon a bone, if 
given time, the bone will 

568
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,600
actually react and build and 
remodel in response to them. 

569
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,560
So some people that have a 
little bit too much pressure 

570
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,880
there, you'll actually get some 
Bony outgrowth of the of the 

571
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920
calcaneus in response. 
And that's called a Hagglund 

572
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,720
deformity. 
The, the less scientific term is

573
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,760
also called a pump up just 
because there's a lot of 

574
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760
individuals that, you know, 
where heels and things like 

575
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,880
that, they can get an irritation
in that area and it pulls 

576
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720
successfully there. 
Most of the time they're benign 

577
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,320
and they don't cause much issue,
but they can get irritated and 

578
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,280
they can be combined aligned 
with things like insertional 

579
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,880
Achilles stenopathy and it can 
be really sent. 

580
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,480
That area can be sensitive. 
And this in the back of a lot of

581
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,320
shoes have this very stiff thing
called a heel counter. 

582
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,120
And the counter is meant to 
create some structure for the 

583
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:55,800
heel. 
But for someone with a Hagler 

584
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,960
deformity, this irritable, it's 
not great. 

585
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920
So I always talk about, hey, as 
someone with a Hagler deformity 

586
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,200
on my left and right side, what 
shoes don't have one? 

587
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960
And there are a couple. 
We haven't had a lot of options 

588
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,320
this year. 
We had it's not been a sexy year

589
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,880
for like a hat for people, the 
haglunds, and that's why it 

590
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,040
hasn't been updated. 
But I have a couple options for 

591
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,960
people. 
There's been actually a good 

592
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,640
number of racing options. 
So as usual, Adidas does this 

593
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,400
well, but the Adidas Takumi Sen 
11, the audios pro 4 and the 

594
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,280
primax strung 3 all have no deal
counters in them. 

595
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,680
So I had these ready to go. 
So if you want like shorter, 

596
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,320
faster distance, like half to 
marathon or super like crazy 

597
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720
super trainer, all those are 
actually going to work well 

598
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
because there's no counter. 
It's just totally flexible back 

599
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,680
there, but there's just some 
structure and it'll do really, 

600
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,120
really nicely. 
I haven't run I've been 

601
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,680
considering running in this, but
it is really, really low drop 

602
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,960
and when you with a shoe so 
tall, the midsole so soft, that 

603
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,320
can create almost a negative 
drop. 

604
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,360
But the Tacoobi scent actually 
surprisingly has worked really, 

605
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000
really well. 
It's got a 7mm drop and the 

606
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,240
Audios Pro 4 is, is an awesome 
shoe that has I just need to try

607
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,840
10 1/2's a little short. 
The other options and then the 

608
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
other shoe that I've struggled 
with is still got 100 miles is 

609
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,800
the Saucony Endorphin Elite two.
There is no heel counter at all.

610
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,640
It is unstable. 
So you have stability needs, 

611
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560
you're going to struggle, but no
heel counter at all. 

612
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,080
Very flexible. 
It's actually been really, 

613
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,120
really nice. 
So that's another racing option 

614
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,000
from the training options, 
there's not that many. 

615
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,280
The Mizuno Neo Vista 2, it does 
not have a heel counter. 

616
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,480
The Neo Zen has some structure. 
It's very similar, but I found 

617
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,600
that just a teeny bit irritating
was a little bit stiffer. 

618
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,520
But Neo Vista is great on the on
the road, even though there is a

619
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,800
heel counter. 
The Salomon Aeroglide 3 is a 

620
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,560
little bit more flexible and 
actually hasn't bothered me that

621
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,160
much. 
And this has been one of my top 

622
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640
shoes of the year. 
So again, little structure, but 

623
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680
not as bad. 
And finally, pretty much the 

624
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,800
sole rail option, the on cloud 
ultra Pro is, is does not have 

625
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360
that stiff of a heel counter and
is very, very comfortable back 

626
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,160
there. 
And it's been a shoe that I've 

627
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,200
gotten some additional miles on 
such a good shoe. 

628
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Yeah, that's that's kind of it. 
There's not a lot of stuff out 

629
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,440
there. 
So when people have asked like, 

630
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,760
hey, what's the update like? 
Just not a lot of options like 

631
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
new stuff. 
There's been a lot of very, very

632
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880
things going the opposite way 
where heel counters have gotten 

633
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,720
much stiffer, a lot more 
structure back there, which is 

634
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,800
is great for the right person. 
Just for those with Hagglunds, 

635
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,880
it can be a little bit of a 
struggle. 

636
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Did you get miles on the 
experience? 

637
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Wild. 
I have not yet, just because I 

638
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,600
haven't be able to handle 
anything 4mm or below. 

639
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Sure. 
I'd be curious from a from a fit

640
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,760
standpoint, what it has on the 
sides is kind of a a larger 

641
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440
amount of cushioning on the 
medial and lateral sides of the 

642
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,160
heel. 
And then the center is much 

643
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,120
thinner. 
So there's almost like a little 

644
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,360
groove for the Achilles to go 
into. 

645
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,120
I don't have Hagelin deformity, 
so I don't know how how it feel 

646
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,240
it would feel for someone who 
does, but it was a shoe that 

647
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,200
popped into my head because it's
not. 

648
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
They usually don't have the most
rigid heel counters anyway. 

649
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,000
But then again, with how the 
cushioning works, it almost 

650
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,280
creates that groove. 
Have you had success with those 

651
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,680
kind of grooves in the past that
are all padding related or not 

652
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,640
so much? 
Sometimes yes, sometimes no, 

653
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
like so there's there's times 
where like the padding will do 

654
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560
really, really well. 
Like the a shoe that does that 

655
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:27,200
really well is actually the the.
He froze. 

656
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,760
Almost too good there, did you 
think? 

657
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Yeah, I thought. 
I thought I said say it again. 

658
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,600
Man somebody posted on YouTube 
been like you guys should work 

659
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,920
on your pronunciation of how 
Adidas and ASICS. 

660
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,440
I'm like, dude, I can't even 
pronounce Kayana. 

661
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,920
Like, give me a break, you. 
Know you gotta rock again, 

662
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200
right? 
I give up. 

663
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Sorry, sorry ASICS, I can't do 
it. 

664
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,000
It's my favorite year. 
I can't pronounce the cute. 

665
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240
The Nimbus, sorry, has also done
that pretty well where it's 

666
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,360
padded enough that it didn't 
bother me despite it's still 

667
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,720
counter. 
Sometimes if it's too padded, 

668
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,680
that'll backfire where the pad 
the padding actually pushes in 

669
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,560
there can be irritating. 
So it's kind of a like, it has 

670
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,320
to be like Goldilocks just 
right. 

671
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Great. 
OK, here's our next question. 

672
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,120
This is from Matthew, not from 
yourself, from a different 

673
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Matthew. 
Of course you're not allowed to 

674
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,160
ask. 
Matthew asks. 

675
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Matthew asked this. 
I work at a local running store 

676
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,360
and sometimes find it difficult 
to fully explain the differences

677
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,200
between a rocker shoe and a more
classic option. 

678
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,960
I typically use visual cues to 
explain this, but even in that 

679
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,680
scenario, find that all shoes 
visually have that same kind of 

680
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840
toe curl in quotations or toe 
spring appearance. 

681
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040
What's the best way to explain 
this to the general population 

682
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,080
when most of what we say sounds 
like mumble jargon to their ears

683
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,520
to begin with? 
Thanks. 

684
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,040
I think this is a helpful 
question because we do know a 

685
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,400
lot of the people who listen are
people who work at running 

686
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,600
stores. 
But if you are here and you're 

687
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,000
like, I don't work at a running 
store, but I also don't know the

688
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,960
difference between a rocker shoe
and this, hopefully this 

689
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,880
conversation is helpful. 
So David, what what do you think

690
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,440
about kind of this question and 
how you would approach it? 

691
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,280
I think it's a good question. 
I think when I think about the 

692
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,480
design of shoes, I think of 
almost like 3 major categories. 

693
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,200
And like I won't go into those 
specific categories just yet. 

694
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,880
I think more generalization 
here. 

695
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,800
When I think of a Rockard shoe, 
I think of a shoe that's very 

696
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,120
rounded. 
So you and the experience in it,

697
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,640
you're going to feel kind of a 
rolling effect in the heel and 

698
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840
in the forefoot. 
With that said, a more 

699
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,600
traditional design, they still 
bevel the heel, they still 

700
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
around the forefoot. 
So I can see where the confusion

701
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,880
can happen. 
But normally with the more 

702
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,240
traditional quote UN quote 
design, it's going to feel a 

703
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,960
little bit more like you're 
wearing a structured heel, like 

704
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,640
like heel in like heels, like 
you're going to be a higher heel

705
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,480
drop ratio. 
Usually you're going to feel a 

706
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,520
little bit pitched forward. 
You're not going to feel as 

707
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,080
rounded forward. 
It's going to feel like you just

708
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,520
got a little bit more going on 
there. 

709
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,840
And then usually the forefoot is
a little bit more flexible. 

710
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,240
You might feel a little bit more
bend upfront versus like the 

711
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,600
rocker shoes a lot of times a 
little bit stiffer, more 

712
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,720
rounded. 
The other one that I would bring

713
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,159
up is more like the flat shoes, 
like very minimal, very flexible

714
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,280
types of things. 
But those are kind of three 

715
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,080
archetypes that I kind of think 
of if I'm describing different 

716
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,120
kinds of shoes. 
But that's kind of what I think 

717
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,199
of, you know, I think of like, 
and you can even think of it 

718
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,480
from an experience standpoint 
and ask the potential buyer like

719
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,719
what they feel. 
But usually it's going to be the

720
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,960
rocker shoes are going to be the
more rounded shoes. 

721
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,800
The sensation is going to be 
very rounded and rolling like. 

722
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,400
And then the traditional shoe 
won't feel quite as much like 

723
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,199
that. 
It'll feel like your heels a 

724
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,040
little bit higher up for if it's
usually a little bit more 

725
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,679
flexible, not going to feel like
you're rolling. 

726
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120
And then the flat shoes are 
going to be more flexible, more 

727
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,080
minimalist. 
Not to be confused with racing 

728
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,199
flats. 
Very different thing. 

729
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,239
I feel like we need to stop, we 
need to stop calling them racing

730
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,200
flats because none of them are 
really flat right anymore. 

731
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,640
Yeah, but I feel like 
contextually, like flats has 

732
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,280
always been the name for racing 
shoes, even. 

733
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,280
Yeah, but they're not flat out 
of our country, like every 

734
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,280
cultural language. 
Yeah, flats and trainers. 

735
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,480
So for for me, I think one of 
the things I think about 

736
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,360
whenever it comes to any sort of
education that you're trying to 

737
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,920
provide and or even just 
discussion on topic that people 

738
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,320
are asking you about, I think 
that the why behind their 

739
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,440
question changes how I would 
approach it. 

740
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,360
So if they're just curious, hey,
I heard that there's rocker 

741
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,320
shoes and there's non rocker 
shoes. 

742
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,640
Can you help me understand like 
the difference? 

743
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,760
That's a whole other 
conversation between you 

744
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,240
bringing out two shoes, like 
this one's got more rocker, this

745
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,240
one's kind of flat and they're 
like, wait, what's the 

746
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,280
difference? 
Because then they didn't bring 

747
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,720
up the topic. 
You brought the words and then 

748
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,400
they're just asking for 
clarification. 

749
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
So in scenario one where they 
bring up the question, they're 

750
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,680
seeking some kind of like deeper
knowledge on the topic. 

751
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,200
I would probably go into what 
you know a little bit about that

752
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,240
and using, you know, 2, two 
different shoes and going away 

753
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:06,280
from just shape and making sure 
that you include the rocker. 

754
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,640
And maybe a way to talk about it
with them is the shoes and how 

755
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,160
they work are going to change 
where your body needs to work 

756
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,080
the hardest. 
When you have a shoe that has 

757
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,680
this curve and it's stiff, your 
big toe doesn't have to extend, 

758
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,360
so it doesn't work as much on 
your foot and your ankle. 

759
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Instead, it kind of moves work 
up towards the knee and the hip,

760
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,160
whereas this shoe then you would
bend it, you'd say has more 

761
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,800
flexibility. 
So your big toes going to 

762
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,600
extend, your foot's going to do 
a little bit more work in this 

763
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,480
shoe. 
So you that's one way you could 

764
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,720
potentially explain it is by 
showing not just the shape, but 

765
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,240
also it really does matter about
how rigid that is and just 

766
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,040
showing that visually. 
And then just saying with the 

767
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,960
curve, the load is shifted 
somewhere else and with not then

768
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,840
it could stay there. 
But again, that that's only for 

769
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,920
them. 
Just trying to learn about what 

770
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480
a rocker is. 
If you bring up the terms and 

771
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,600
then they're like, well, what is
that you'd say? 

772
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,120
You know, why don't you run in 
them both and, and see what you 

773
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,800
think? 
One just has a little bit of a 

774
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,640
curve that changes the way that 
the shoe feels under your foot. 

775
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,120
And that's honestly all. 
All I would tell them at first, 

776
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
if they ask follow up questions,
you could start to talk about 

777
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,000
some of the things that I just 
mentioned, but really just have 

778
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,920
them experience the difference 
between the two shoes if that's 

779
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,440
the why behind the conversation.
I think how you approach it 

780
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,800
depends on the why or what 
they're really looking for. 

781
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,360
Matt, do you have any thoughts? 
Not really. 

782
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,200
I think that that explains it 
pretty well. 

783
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,280
Try not to make it too 
competent. 

784
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,680
And I think that getting it on 
their foot so they have 

785
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,680
something to feel is going to be
really, really important. 

786
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Like we and this is something 
that I that goes to my head. 

787
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,280
It's slightly off topic that 
remember that a lot of times bio

788
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,080
mechanics of what you watch 
don't tell you the full story. 

789
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640
It's what the person feels 
that's going to give them the 

790
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,280
most information. 
If you get so such an abstract 

791
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,840
idea to someone, if they don't 
have any Rep reference point, 

792
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000
just get it on their foot. 
Give me a good example going, 

793
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,080
hey, do you feel this? 
And that's going to probably 

794
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040
make a better click than going 
trying to describe it. 

795
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,040
Yeah. 
I think it's also important when

796
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,560
you talk about this is to not 
paint one as good and one is 

797
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,440
bad. 
We don't have enough evidence to

798
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
say that one causes injury, one 
doesn't. 

799
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,120
We don't have any evidence to 
say that one prevents injury and

800
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,920
one doesn't. 
It's just different. 

801
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,520
So if they're not coming and 
you're, I mean, if you're 

802
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,800
working in a run store and you 
don't have a medical background,

803
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,960
you're not trained to speak to 
like injuries as much as a 

804
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
healthcare provider would be. 
So I would just be cautious and 

805
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,800
go in there and like, oh, this 
is going to be really good for 

806
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,000
this sort of injury that I, I'd 
be really cautious there and 

807
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,120
just stick to experience. 
And if they're like, oh, well, I

808
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,120
have this history of this thing.
Should I talk to somebody about 

809
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,360
that, that that's where 
hopefully you've worked through 

810
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,200
in your mind, like what's my 
scope of practice within my job 

811
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,600
as a as a worker in the store 
and where can I go with this 

812
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440
conversation to help them get 
what they want from a shoe? 

813
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,480
All right, here we go. 
We're going to our next 

814
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,520
question. 
This is from Fidel and Fidel 

815
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,760
asked this. 
Would you be able to recommend a

816
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,720
running shoe similar to the 
Brooks Racer ST5 but with more 

817
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,640
energy return and or bounce? 
Shout out ST5. 

818
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,840
I know, kind of solid shoe. 
I found I found one on eBay the 

819
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,080
other day did. 
You really? 

820
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,840
Yeah, I did of. 
Course you've been eBay scout 

821
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560
because we haven't had as many 
shoes coming in here on eBay. 

822
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,560
That's what it is. 
Is that like, how is that how it

823
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
goes? 
It's like more shoes in less 

824
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,760
eBay. 
Less shoes in more eBay. 

825
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,680
The eBay still happens is that 
that's just like when there's an

826
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,560
influx, he starts looking for 
those prototypes that are coming

827
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,040
like that surface out. 
There. 

828
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,560
The problem is that that 
prototypes never show up 

829
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,720
anymore. 
They're all gone. 

830
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Yeah. 
So I still look, but I don't buy

831
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,680
anything. 
It's just like, it's like you go

832
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,440
into the nice store you like, I 
want to look at this, but I'm 

833
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,720
not buying anything. 
It's cool. 

834
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,320
Like the hunt is what's fun. 
I'm not going to buy it. 

835
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,120
I love it. 
It must as a deal. 

836
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Let's keep going. 
Let's keep going here. 

837
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,560
So look at used to use the 
Brooks Racer ST5 but looking for

838
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,760
some with more energy return. 
They have posterior tibial 

839
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,480
tendonitis, so they'd like 
medial posting of the Brooks 

840
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,760
from the past. 
They said that you did a YouTube

841
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,280
review of the Brooks Hyperion 
GTSRIP, which I believe comes 

842
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,080
outcomes close, but wanted to 
verify that with you here first.

843
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,400
So we got a couple things we got
to cover. 

844
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Let's start with what is 
posterior tibial tendonitis post

845
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,520
or posterior tibialis 
tendinopathy? 

846
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,960
I'll, I'll take this. 
It's, it's the posterior 

847
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,320
tibialis is a muscle that sits 
underneath the calf very, very 

848
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,840
close to the gastrocnemius and 
soleus musculature. 

849
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,960
And while it is a plantar 
flexor, meaning it helps your 

850
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,640
foot point and push off, it also
has a lot of it is functions 

851
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,760
really for a lot of the medial 
support of your foot. 

852
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,800
And so those that have a lot of 
motion here and maybe aren't as 

853
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,840
strong or we don't have as good 
a control over this that may 

854
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,200
place this tend the tendon of 
that muscle at risk for 

855
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,600
irritation just because it gets 
moved quite a bit. 

856
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,240
And maybe and adding that by 
itself isn't it, but you add 

857
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,680
some overtraining and training 
stuff in there that can be 

858
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,520
irritable. 
So we know that anybody with a 

859
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,600
history of pronation related 
injuries, which post your tibial

860
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,680
tendonitis would definitely fit 
in that category, tend to do 

861
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,760
better with some kind of medial 
support or medial posting. 

862
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,120
A post is a firmer bit of 
material on the inner side of 

863
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,000
the foot or or outer. 
It's on any part that's used to 

864
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,360
try to redirect motion or help 
slow down motion. 

865
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,480
There aren't as many posts 
anymore. 

866
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,160
I'm going to go on a rant here 
that I did actually do a Brooks 

867
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Hyperion GTS 2 versus Brooks 
Hyperion GTS. 

868
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,360
And I think the video sucks so 
bad that we decided not to put 

869
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,800
it up because it just it wasn't 
great. 

870
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,760
But there is a Hyperion GTS 2, 
so you could definitely find 

871
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,680
that it's a little bit lighter. 
It doesn't have the same heel 

872
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,240
drop as the Brooks Racer SD-5 
that's you had like a 12 plus 

873
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,320
auto meter heel drop. 
It was a yeah, it was a, it was 

874
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,720
a solid shoe, but it's 
definitely one of your classic 

875
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,720
medially posted racing shoes 
that don't exist anymore. 

876
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,040
So the Hyperion GTS 2 is 
probably the closest thing that 

877
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,960
exists, but that has also been 
discontinued. 

878
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,600
So you'll probably find those on
sale, but there will not be a 

879
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,200
version 3 from what we have 
heard. 

880
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,720
Now if you want more bounce, 
this is what I've been holding 

881
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,520
off on and we have not talked to
Saucony about this. 

882
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,880
They have not talked to us at 
all. 

883
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,480
This is me just snooping and 
finding things And it's there's 

884
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,480
stuff stuff on Instagram and 
Reddit about this. 

885
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,520
But supposedly the Saucony 
Tempest 3 is a redesigned shoe 

886
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,920
that has power on HG in it. 
And so the The Tempest is 

887
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,320
definitely a stable neutral 
slash stability shoe. 

888
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,960
And I don't know when that's 
going to come out or if it's 

889
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,120
actually going to come out in 
the US. 

890
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,200
There's some rumors that it's 
actually going to be a, a China 

891
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,080
only shoe. 
Don't I have no confirmation on 

892
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,160
that. 
So I can a team if you're 

893
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,440
listening, I want a pair and if 
you don't send one, I'm going to

894
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,640
go buy one in China. 
So. 

895
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,720
Hyper GTS 2 is probably going to
be the best option. 

896
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,880
Yeah, I should have worn that, 
but I I might have a trip to 

897
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,160
China coming up pretty soon for 
a company that I'll have to talk

898
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,440
about, so we'll see if that 
works out. 

899
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,080
But Hyperion GTS 2 is probably 
going to be closest thing 

900
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,440
outside of that that that 
category doesn't exist anymore. 

901
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,720
There are no stable racing shoes
left. 

902
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,440
The closest you're going to find
what you just talked about is 

903
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,680
some of the stable, neutral, 
probably super trainers that 

904
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,720
actually sit very similar in 
terms of weight to the Brooks 

905
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:33,040
Racer SD-5 S Super Blast 2. 
David, The Mach X3 might be 

906
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,040
another potential option. 
Yeah, there you're going to have

907
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,600
to look stable neutral because 
the category you're looking for 

908
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,120
doesn't really exist at the 
moment. 

909
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
David, you look confused. 
Yeah, I've got a couple things 

910
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:48,520
all. 
Right, go for it. 

911
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Yeah, the category is Slim 
Pickens for sure. 

912
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,040
I don't think there's a whole 
lot of things like I think of 

913
00:43:54,040 --> 00:44:00,080
like the DS racer, you know, 
like RIP dead, but you can look 

914
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,040
into some of the lightweight 
trainers and there actually is a

915
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,080
super shoe that I'm thinking of 
that runs pretty stable that no 

916
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,960
one ever talks about and is 
excellent. 

917
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,960
And that's the anti C2O2 and 
whether it's the five GT, they 

918
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,880
have the six now, but it runs 
stable. 

919
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,880
It does. 
That is not a stable neutral 

920
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,640
shoe at all. 
It's like. 35mm good tracking on

921
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,000
your foot, good hold on the foot
like it runs pretty stable. 

922
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,520
That's not it. 
Feels like the lightly trainer 

923
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,480
racers that used to exist. 
Yes, but that's not remotely 

924
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,040
close to the ST5 of how stable. 
Is that anything remotely close 

925
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,960
to the ST5 Matt? 
Exactly because the category is 

926
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,560
dead. 
That's a let me cook. 

927
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,680
That shoe's not stable that that
that shoe is so narrow. 

928
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,280
Just because it was stiff enough
for you, it's not OK. 

929
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,760
The other one I think of is the 
Newton motion and lower drop. 

930
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Now depends on how you tolerate 
that type of geometry because 

931
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,880
that could make the tip post 
tendonitis worse if it lines up 

932
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,400
well with you. 
It is posted, it is light, it is

933
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,000
responsive. 
You could easily race in that 

934
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,960
shoe. 
That's very true by the. 

935
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,720
Way it's been too long. 
We haven't had it in a minute, 

936
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,200
yeah. 
But then the motion, it could do

937
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,520
it. 
It could do it that. 

938
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,000
That's that is true. 
So I was wrong. 

939
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Technically there are still 
some. 

940
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,400
Shoes and. 
Those could. 

941
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,080
It is probably safe. 
However, the ability. 

942
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,240
The problem is that for the post
tib is also planar flexure, so 

943
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,840
going into very maximal 
dorsiflexion will stress that. 

944
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,640
And so that may not be the best 
option for someone that's done 

945
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,200
well in the St. five. 
I think for others that maybe 

946
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,640
it's not post tib related or 
their post tib is common they 

947
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,720
can handle or drop, maybe that's
a good option, but I think so 

948
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,320
fine, fine. 
The category isn't completely 

949
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,440
dead. 
Depending on how you strike too.

950
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920
I think sometimes like I've 
found with some of the Newton 

951
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,880
shoes especially like the drop 
doesn't tell the entire story 

952
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920
because of their lug situation. 
And sometimes like the way you 

953
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
land is just like it lines up 
with the shoe. 

954
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Doesn't matter if it's a 2mm 
drop where like it doesn't feel 

955
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,360
that aggressive where like 
sometimes it could be a 4mm drop

956
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,280
and it feels very aggressive. 
So I think it just depends on 

957
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,680
the model and whether or not it 
lines up with your mechanics. 

958
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,000
I don't think it's. 
I think I think the kismet you 

959
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,320
might be able to get away with 
the motions much more 

960
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,480
traditional and that she was 
pretty you're going to. 

961
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,920
By the kismet like negative 
options you know so. 

962
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,560
Yeah, yeah. 
The motions supposed to be the 

963
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,720
quicker of the two. 
Yeah, that's fair. 

964
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,960
All right. 
Very fun. 

965
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Well we got one more question 
for the night and this question 

966
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,880
is from Elena and they say this.
Hi I love your advice and long 

967
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,760
term pod listener. 
Hope I can get some shoe wrecks.

968
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,520
I have poor ankle stability. 
My ankles tend to roll. 

969
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,760
I've had two fifth metatarsal 
breaks due to ankle rolls. 

970
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,680
I've heard stability shoes 
themselves aren't good for 

971
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,640
correcting this. 
I'm going to see APT but what 

972
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,560
shoes would you recommend? 
I prefer a wider toe box. 

973
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,440
I've been walking and running in
the Glycerin GTS 21 and Saucony 

974
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,760
Guide 17. 
Also like the New Balance More 

975
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,600
version 4. 
I'll start a little bit on this 

976
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,000
one just to kind of provide a 
little more context. 

977
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,520
So we're going to make a few 
assumptions based on what we 

978
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,840
read here. 
This person's talking about 

979
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,480
rolling the ankle. 
We're going to assume that means

980
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,080
that the ankle rolls inward, 
kind of like a classic ankle 

981
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,320
sprain where your foot kind of 
rolls in your your ankle moves 

982
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,200
to the outside. 
And that would be a pretty 

983
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,200
common way for unfortunately, as
they've experienced, where the 

984
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,640
tendons that then insert into 
the 5th metatarsal, which is the

985
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,120
long bone on the outside of your
foot that can get pulled on and 

986
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,960
potentially lead to some sort of
fracture or just the stress. 

987
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,760
And like the torque happening 
around that bone can lead to a 

988
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,120
fracture. 
So sorry that's happened twice, 

989
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,520
but that's the type of role that
we're going to assume. 

990
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,720
And so the next thing that they 
allude to is this idea that 

991
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,720
stability shoes might not be 
good for this. 

992
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,640
And so what's some, there's some
truth there where if you have a 

993
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,800
shoe that is biased to move your
foot from perfectly flat to kind

994
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,120
of pitching you outward to some 
extent or trying to guide you to

995
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,880
the outside, that's going to 
predispose you to the motion 

996
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,560
that they've experienced 
multiple time of rolling their 

997
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,200
ankle inward. 
And so if you have a shoe that 

998
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,320
doesn't compensate for pushing 
you that way with like a wider 

999
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,000
platform, that would be 
something that could potentially

1000
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,920
be problematic and kind of push 
you towards the direction that 

1001
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,560
you're already unstable. 
So I think that there's some 

1002
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,840
truth in what they're saying 
there, but let's push this 

1003
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,080
forward now in terms of 
recommendations and other 

1004
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,000
considerations, is there 
anything you'd add about what 

1005
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,520
the condition that they're 
referencing is or going to shoe 

1006
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,520
recommendations or comments on 
the ones that they're currently 

1007
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,960
running in? 
What? 

1008
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,560
What are they currently running 
in again? 

1009
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,560
Glycerin GTS 21. 
Saucony Guide 17. 

1010
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,720
New Balance More Version 4. 
And they're looking for a shoe 

1011
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,200
recommendation to not roll their
ankle. 

1012
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Right. 
That more is pretty hard to roll

1013
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,080
your ankle in. 
I like the more option so far 

1014
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,280
too. 
That wide platform in the heel 

1015
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,160
is pretty solid. 
Well. 

1016
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,440
When I think of like for 
stability, but you don't want to

1017
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,520
roll into inversion, I think of,
you know, kind of wider base 

1018
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,560
kind of like the more. 
But I think of looking for 

1019
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,200
things kind of more towards the 
guidance type of like movement 

1020
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,480
pathway. 
And one shoe that comes up, 

1021
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,200
which I don't think is one that 
most people would think of, but 

1022
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,480
I in the more made me thinking 
about it is the Hoka Stinson and

1023
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:51,720
very, very stable under foot. 
It's heavy, technically a road 

1024
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,680
slash trail shoe. 
The ATR at the end means all 

1025
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,760
terrain. 
So it's Stinson. 

1026
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,000
ATR is the full name. 
We're on #6 now, right? 

1027
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Does it say on there? 
I don't remember I. 

1028
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Think it's 7, but seven has been
out for a long. 

1029
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,240
Time seven, yeah. 
Either way, the Stinson ATR, 

1030
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:13,080
that shoe is very, very stable, 
very hard to roll your ankle 

1031
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,200
going into an inversion sprain. 
And they have it set up with 

1032
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,040
what they call an H frame, where
like you basically have these 

1033
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,480
like kind of cutouts on the 
inside side. 

1034
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,480
You can't see them, but like 
embedded in the foam, like in 

1035
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,040
the heel and in the forefoot. 
And it kind of makes like an H 

1036
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,600
Can I do that on the camera 
here? 

1037
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,120
Almost like that if my darn 
forearm wasn't blocking it. 

1038
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,040
There we go. 
Like that. 

1039
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,680
And yeah, so they do it to kind 
of give you a little bit of 

1040
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,400
guidance but still have some 
structure around the foot. 

1041
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,160
That's one shoe that comes to 
mind. 

1042
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,680
If the more isn't enough, if you
need more from the more. 

1043
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,240
Not less. 
Yeah, no, we need more client 

1044
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,600
but. 
The first, the first thing that 

1045
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400
came to my head for this was 
basically finding a shoe that 

1046
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,400
has a really nice wide heel. 
You know, you, you would want 

1047
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,920
that wide platform in the heel 
if it's wide enough and has 

1048
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,960
some, we call it flare. 
So like the where your foot 

1049
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,160
sits. 
And then if the, if the midsole,

1050
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,800
the foam part kind of jets out 
from the shoe or is wider than 

1051
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,600
the shoe itself, that's flare 
and having some flare on the 

1052
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,160
outside. 
So like lateral flare, it would 

1053
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,440
probably be something that would
be worth seeing. 

1054
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,960
And the the company that I think
uses that wider platform is the 

1055
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,240
one that David mentioned 
already. 

1056
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,800
And I think a lot of Hokas would
be appropriate for this. 

1057
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,880
Even something simple like the 
Clifton would probably be fine 

1058
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,440
just because it is that wider 
platform and that's kind of how 

1059
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,120
they operate. 
And knowing that you like a wide

1060
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,600
toe box, so does my wife and she
gets the Clifton wide version 

1061
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,080
and the the wides for Hoka are 
are very roomy. 

1062
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,680
And so that I think is a very 
valid option for kind of what 

1063
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,480
you're looking for. 
I know Matt, you held up a shoe 

1064
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,760
with a cut out in the middle of 
it. 

1065
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,680
Yeah, I just the idea of, like 
David said, the guidance for the

1066
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,240
stable neutral concept, like 
something I think guidance is 

1067
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,960
probably the better term of 
stuff that keeps you in the 

1068
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,600
middle. 
And then I would totally agree 

1069
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,960
that lateral flair is probably 
the way to go if you're just 

1070
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,880
looking for a simple trainer. 
If you like the fit of Brooks, 

1071
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,520
the Brooks Ghost version 3 is 
actually pretty good. 

1072
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,080
That's just got a white mask. 
I'm sorry, I'm sorry the ghost 

1073
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,240
Max 3 really good option cause 
side walls and again not biased 

1074
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,040
in One Direction. 
What about? 

1075
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,520
I think the more is also a great
option too that you're talking 

1076
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,960
about. 
What about Glycerin Max? 

1077
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,920
Versus the GTS. 
Oh, no Glycerin Max, got it, 

1078
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,440
sorry. 
Oh, I don't even like looking at

1079
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,680
it. 
I know you did not get a. 

1080
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Lot of that shit. 
Hurts. 

1081
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,640
Just looking at it like I 
literally like you're changing 

1082
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,560
like. 
The reason I'm going to hesitate

1083
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,240
to suggest this, yes, it's got 
all the things that we talked 

1084
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:48,560
about. 
It's got nice sidewall, it's got

1085
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,840
a wider, it's got a wider 
platform. 

1086
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,320
I just think there's a certain 
point when sometimes if you get 

1087
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,600
too tall, like the more is 
pretty tall, but this is taller 

1088
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,520
than the more, if I remember 
correctly. 

1089
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,640
That's where I'm I'm going to 
hesitate just a little bit where

1090
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,320
it'd be nicer to be a little bit
more normal moderate stack 

1091
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,520
height. 
But you know. 

1092
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,640
I agree with that concept and 
I'm gonna also just throw out 

1093
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,120
another shoe that is not in the 
normal stack height and that's 

1094
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,400
the Super blast. the Super 
blasts platform is super wide 

1095
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,800
too. 
I don't think I could I could 

1096
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,800
roll my ankle in that shoe if I 
tried to no. 

1097
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,080
So that's more. 
Expensive. 

1098
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,400
You would fracture your tib fib.
Yeah, you'd get, it'd be, it'd 

1099
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,840
be bad, but it's just, it's so 
wide that I just don't think, I 

1100
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,000
don't think it would happen. 
Any others that we want to add 

1101
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,920
to that? 
Doesn't have a wide toe box 

1102
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,640
though. 
If that's true, that would be 

1103
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,320
the downfall of that. 
That's a good point. 

1104
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,920
The ultra VL I believe that 
isn't horrible I just wouldn't. 

1105
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,440
I like the other option that's. 
True all the time, yeah. 

1106
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,360
Yeah, the zero drop is hard. 
What's the, is it the what's 

1107
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,400
their, their 4mm drop maximal 
one that just came out. 

1108
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,120
It's like the forward is the 
VIA. 

1109
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,520
I think you're right, the VIA 2.
The Via 2 just came out. 

1110
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,360
I remembered I actually 
surprisingly like the I don't 

1111
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,880
the original one. 
It wasn't the sexiest shoe, but 

1112
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,200
the Ford via two we haven't 
gotten to try, but I saw that 

1113
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,440
that could be a wide toolbox 
option. 

1114
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,280
Oh, Speaking of wide toolbox, 
any topos that you would think 

1115
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,520
about? 
Tobo usually does this. 

1116
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,480
Pretty well, Atmos is pretty 
wide all around. 

1117
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,960
Yeah, yeah, that might be a 
great option. 

1118
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,080
And it's very much yeah. 
Yeah, I never tried it, but it 

1119
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,320
looks look Andrea always talked 
about being stable. 

1120
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,640
Yeah, it's not a whole lot of 
fun, you know, but it's nice, 

1121
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,960
it's structured and it's, you 
know, it's a good shoe. 

1122
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Yeah, I think that's a good 
option. 

1123
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:45,000
I I don't think the current like
Magna Fly or the current Phantom

1124
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,640
Phantom work because they get a 
little bit more narrow in the 

1125
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,400
heel. 
So I don't think they give that 

1126
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,320
structure as much as the Atmos 
does. 

1127
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,840
So fantastic. 
Anything else that y'all want to

1128
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,080
hit before we sign off tonight? 
There is one more question I do 

1129
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,120
want to hit. 
Which one did? 

1130
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,960
We just So it's from B that asks
the age-old questions at Dor. 

1131
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,560
Gotcha, I'll read this one out. 
B asked the age-old question at 

1132
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,040
Dor. 
Here it is writing in from Oz 

1133
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,040
Love the pod, love the combo 
shoe talk and PT pointers. 

1134
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Wondering if you guys could help
me with some options to replace 

1135
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,320
my old Glycerin Glide ride 
threes from ASICS. 

1136
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Yeah don't we all. 
I use them for daily miles and 

1137
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,840
long runs. 
Anything one to three hours at 

1138
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,520
easy paces. 
Love the rocker and the 

1139
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,760
stability. 
Just need a touch of medial 

1140
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,120
support so nothing super soft 
with severe cutouts. 

1141
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,080
Looking for something similar 
but hopefully a little lighter 

1142
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,640
and with a lighter upper but 
seems hard to to find 

1143
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,560
comparisons because the shoes a 
bit older and hard to find the 

1144
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,360
weight. 
Stability rocker combo closest I

1145
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,280
see. 
Maybe the Super blast 2? 

1146
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,800
Anything that I'm missing? 
I've got 2 that come to mind and

1147
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:01,400
like it's this could be expanded
as I think more but now I want 

1148
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,640
to be careful how I say this 
because it's more about the toe 

1149
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,360
spraying in the way that it 
moves, not as stiff as the glide

1150
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,680
red. 
However, the forfeit experience 

1151
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,600
is still pretty similar and I 
think of the tier Maverick 

1152
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,920
version 1, you have a lot more 
toe spraying. 

1153
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,040
You get that rolling feeling 
like when I wore the shoe for 

1154
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,320
the first time, the first thing 
I thought was this is what the 

1155
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,360
Glide Ride Max should have been.
It was light. 

1156
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,920
You have that 4 foot rocket. 
The foam is pretty structured. 

1157
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,680
You know, it's 44mm of stack. 
There's a lot of foam, but the 

1158
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:34,040
foam itself, it's not like the 
Super compliant, you know, mushy

1159
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,080
foam and it's not overly bouncy 
either. 

1160
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,720
It's just very kind of light and
rhythmic. 

1161
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,120
And then the other shoe that I 
think of, and this one's going 

1162
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,560
to be a polarizing 1. 
I think the Maverick version 1 

1163
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,440
is probably the safer of the two
options, especially at the price

1164
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,400
at 1:50. 
But is the ASIC Sonic blast and 

1165
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,880
that one has a very stiff 
upfront forefoot. 

1166
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,960
It's it's like the glide, right?
Like it's, it's the rolling 

1167
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,400
sensation off the forefoot, like
the heel isn't as smooth. 

1168
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,840
It's not as smooth What it's 
like a fast glide. 

1169
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,280
You said it would be polarizing.
It's not for good long one to 

1170
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,520
three hour runs at easier paces,
that is not. 

1171
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,480
Andrea said it's like the 
perfect easy day shoe. 

1172
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,120
Yeah, well, she runs on her 
forefoot. 

1173
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,680
She looks farther forward. 
That's what I'm saying. 

1174
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,920
Like if you want the forefoot. 
Experience like it's not that 

1175
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,880
different. 
It's not, it's. 

1176
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,440
Not the glide. 
No, it's not that. 

1177
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,680
No, it's not that rocker. 
It's stiff. 

1178
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,240
It is rocker in the forefoot, 
not in the heel. 

1179
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,720
Not in the heel. 
Heel needs to be better. 

1180
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,560
It 4 foot is very broad that 
way. 

1181
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,080
It does not work that way. 
It does not. 

1182
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,000
I think you guys just land so 
hard on your heels that you just

1183
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,680
cause a Shank effect and then 
anything that happens beyond 

1184
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,920
that is just vadnais. 
I can get up on my forefoot if I

1185
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,720
need to. 
And that I didn't enjoy it 

1186
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,400
anymore to be honest. 
Me and Andrea like it. 

1187
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,840
You're the solo the the only 
two. 

1188
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,160
There's other people out there 
that like it. 

1189
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,320
I'm sure is, yeah. 
But it's not like a glide. 

1190
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,400
It's not like a glide red. 
It's not like I would. 100% I 

1191
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,600
would 100% agree with the reason
I brought this up is I thought 

1192
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,440
David David would do a great job
of explaining this. 

1193
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,600
The tier Maverick version 1 I 
think is the closest thing I've 

1194
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,000
come to a Glyburide in a while, 
but much lighter. 

1195
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,560
And again, not a bushy phone, 
but there's some bounce to it 

1196
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,840
and it's but it's not a shoe 
meant for super speed. 

1197
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,680
But man, just getting into a 
rhythm and just going out there 

1198
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,240
for a long run. 
That shoe is awesome. 

1199
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,120
I wish it was a teeny bit more 
medial stable, medially stable 

1200
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,920
because it's a good amount of 
lateral flair. 

1201
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,240
But once you get through that 
and you RIP it off like I have 

1202
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,360
it, it evens out really nicely. 
It's been a solid shoe that I 

1203
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,520
think is the closest I could 
think up to the Glad Right 3. 

1204
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,640
The one, the one shoe I'm going 
to add to the list is actually 

1205
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,400
the Skechers arrow burst. 
It it has it's not it doesn't 

1206
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,520
check the box for lighter. 
It's definitely a heavier shoe, 

1207
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,400
but it has similar type of 
cushioning that the glide ride 

1208
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,560
had, has a wider platform and 
has a a a mild rocker. 

1209
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,680
So I think from a easy run 
standpoint it it fits there. 

1210
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,080
I agree with the tier Maverick 
more, but that would be another 

1211
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,160
one that I would add on to to 
the list. 

1212
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,760
And I also agree with your 
caveat, David, that the tier 

1213
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,040
Maverick has a little bit more 
flexibility in the forefoot than

1214
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,920
the Glide Ride 3. 
But I would throw the Arrow 

1215
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,600
burst in there as like, oh, if 
it's in a shop and you try it 

1216
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,520
on, you might, you might find 
you like it a little bit. 

1217
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,600
And depending on how you land 
that mid foot forward on the 

1218
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Sonic blouse is pretty similar. 
No, it's. 

1219
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Not it's not. 
It's more lively, it's faster 

1220
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,080
for sure. 
OK. 

1221
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,400
But another important question 
that we got is what is your, if 

1222
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,520
you, if you had to pick one 
shoe, what would your 

1223
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,680
replacement be for the Shift 
series? 

1224
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,920
Do you think the Endorphin 
trainer actually replaces it 

1225
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,720
from Saucony or is the Shift 
irreplaceable? 

1226
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,640
And by the way, it's still on 
Amazon and still on eBay. 

1227
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,160
You can both. 
You can find it both there. 

1228
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:55,680
I seriously think the closest 
thing to the shift is either if 

1229
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,800
they can modify it a little bit,
the Brooks Ghost Max or the 

1230
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,920
Glycerin Max. 
I think that there's that there 

1231
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,880
is the shaping under foot. 
It's an Eva wide base of support

1232
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,920
and rocker without a plate. 
I think that that's what they 

1233
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,920
are. 
That's what it's closest to. 

1234
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,240
I think that we have Matt's 
fading. 

1235
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,120
I think that this, this could be
a little bit controversial as 

1236
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:32,360
well, but I, I think that when 
the shift came out, it was 

1237
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,880
pretty unique. 
And so we have this rose colored

1238
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,240
glasses that we see the shift 
through. 

1239
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,320
And in reality, most shoes are a
shift. 

1240
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,600
There's a lot of shoes that are 
a shift right now. 

1241
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,200
To be fair version, I wasn't 
like a shift seller like y'all. 

1242
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,080
I was like, this is just a firm 
rocker trainer and it was nice, 

1243
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,840
but I wasn't like, there's never
ever going to be another 

1244
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,400
endorphin shift again. 
I didn't have those feelings. 

1245
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,160
Yeah, I feel the similarly. 
Like I feel like the Nimbus 

1246
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,160
could be a shift in my eyes. 
That's. 

1247
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,200
What? 
I'm saying the A6 gentlemen, the

1248
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,200
the shift. 
Was lighter it was like in the 

1249
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,720
night oz range right? 
Or did it exceed that and I've 

1250
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,800
just forgotten? 
I mean the tier Mavericks are 

1251
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,240
rockard lightweight trainer 
maybe? 

1252
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,560
Not. 
It's not, it's not a shift 

1253
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,280
though. 
It's not a stiff, not a stiff 

1254
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,640
firm either. 
You don't have any like firm 

1255
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,040
firm shoes. 
That's what I'm saying. 

1256
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,640
I didn't love the shift for that
reason. 

1257
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,440
It was like too firm almost for 
me, which is weird for me to 

1258
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,440
say. 
I do like firmer shoes, but 

1259
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,320
maybe just not in like sharply 
rockered shoes. 

1260
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,200
Maybe. 
I don't know. 

1261
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,600
Sure, yeah, maybe. 
I like them. 

1262
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,520
Never live them or give if 
they're going to be that 

1263
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,600
rockered. 
I hate that I'm bringing this 

1264
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:49,320
shoe up again, but I do think 
the Cloud Monster Hyper is also 

1265
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,520
kind of close on. 
It actually, no, you're it's 

1266
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,240
like a softer version of it. 
You're right. 

1267
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,200
Like when I think about it just.
A slightly softer version, yeah.

1268
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,080
And I hate that I. 
Keep. 

1269
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,480
You're right. 
No, no, you're right. 

1270
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,840
That's what I'd never thought 
about that. 

1271
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,320
You're right. 
Yeah, the endorphin shift three 

1272
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,640
softer where the master foam is 
the Cloud Monster hyper. 

1273
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,320
Yeah, and about $100 more. 
Such blessed I don't it's a nice

1274
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,680
shoe. 
Matt, do you have an? 

1275
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,320
Answer. 
It feels like the shift. 

1276
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,040
No I don't. 
I don't. 

1277
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,040
It actually does feel similar. 
I have an answer. 

1278
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,560
Well. 
I never we. 

1279
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,800
Want to hear from you all 
thought about I think even even 

1280
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,920
though I just said that I think 
I look back at the shift with 

1281
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,600
rose colored glasses. 
I'm going to continue to do that

1282
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,040
because I loved when I I still 
remember my first 14 mile run in

1283
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,560
that shoe. 
I just felt great the whole 

1284
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,800
time. 
So I'm going to continue to look

1285
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,920
at it beautifully and maybe 
unjustly give it this like 

1286
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,880
pedestal that it maybe doesn't 
deserve. 

1287
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,640
But if people have ideas of 
like, what has been your 

1288
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,160
replacement for the shift, we'd 
love to hear it. 

1289
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,800
If you have other questions for 
us here at Doctors of Running, 

1290
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,720
please reach out to us at 
doctorsofrunning@gmail.com. 

1291
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,800
We'd love to pull together these
questions for further and future

1292
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,600
mailbag episodes. 
And if you want to reach out to 

1293
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,800
us again, you can find 
us@doctorsofrunning.com and then

1294
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,200
e-mail us us at 
doctorsofrunning@gmail.com. 

1295
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,800
How many times should I say 
Doctors of Running at gmail.com?

1296
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,160
Doctorsrunning.com, 
doctorsrunning.com. 

1297
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,320
You can find 
us@doctorsrunning.com. 

1298
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,920
Check us out at 
doctorsrunning.com.