1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,480 Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Doctors of Running Podcast, 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,319 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy. 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,498 Just goes the art. I am so sorry. 4 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:21,599 This is our 8th take at doing this. technical difficulties. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,955 Oh my gosh, the internet issues. Anyways, welcome to the Doctors 6 00:00:24,955 --> 00:00:27,180 of Running podcast where we, a group of doctors of physical 7 00:00:27,180 --> 00:00:29,604 therapy, discuss the art and the science and stuff that we are 8 00:00:29,604 --> 00:00:31,018 putting on our feet, bear with us. 9 00:00:31,019 --> 00:00:32,879 Hopefully this thing goes through. 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,859 I think it will be smooth from this point forward. 11 00:00:34,859 --> 00:00:37,939 Now we figured everything out. You have myself today, David 12 00:00:37,939 --> 00:00:41,099 Salas, and we have a very special guest, Casper the 13 00:00:41,099 --> 00:00:44,879 friendly ghost, as many of you may know him by BJ McGeever. 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,566 He is our sound engineer, and it is an absolute honor to have him 15 00:00:48,566 --> 00:00:51,359 on the podcast today. Thanks, David. 16 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,210 I'm stoked to hang out. Yeah, except he's been like 17 00:00:54,210 --> 00:00:57,719 fixing media issues for us. Everything breaking. 18 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:00,179 Of course, the one night that I'm on is the night that 19 00:01:00,179 --> 00:01:01,199 everything decides to stop working. 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,663 Sure. It has been a time to get this 21 00:01:05,663 --> 00:01:09,206 rolling, so bear with us, but yeah, we're an hour in at this 22 00:01:09,206 --> 00:01:11,514 point. 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Unfortunately, our discount code 51 00:02:31,043 --> 00:02:34,253 for the month does not go towards the collaboration, but 52 00:02:34,253 --> 00:02:37,138 it can go toward anything else that you order. 53 00:02:37,139 --> 00:02:39,778 That will be DORJUNE10 for 10% off. 54 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:42,418 And that will be during the month of June. 55 00:02:42,419 --> 00:02:45,359 But we'll get into the in for testing segment here. 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,680 BJ, do you have anything that you've had on your feet lately 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,856 that you'd like to talk about? Yeah, yeah, I got a pile of 58 00:02:50,856 --> 00:02:52,703 shoes next week. I don't think I have anything 59 00:02:52,703 --> 00:02:54,829 that y'all haven't talked about yet, but I can at least give my 60 00:02:54,829 --> 00:02:57,035 experiences with it. The one I've been enjoying the 61 00:02:57,035 --> 00:03:00,179 most lately is the NeoVista 3 that I've got right here. 62 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:05,503 Um, I love the 1st version, ran a ton in it. is a great, just 63 00:03:05,503 --> 00:03:07,769 like cruising shoe. The 2nd one, I struggle with a 64 00:03:07,769 --> 00:03:09,659 bit. Um, I don't know if it was 65 00:03:09,659 --> 00:03:12,779 because the foam was softer or the geometry of it, and then I 66 00:03:12,779 --> 00:03:15,659 kind of had trouble with the upper, but like half my runs 67 00:03:15,659 --> 00:03:18,143 were great. The other half, I felt like it 68 00:03:18,143 --> 00:03:21,149 was working my ankles too hard. Maybe I need a little stability 69 00:03:21,149 --> 00:03:23,289 sometimes, so like my ankles were just exhausted after most 70 00:03:23,289 --> 00:03:26,070 of my runs in it. But the 3rd one has totally 71 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:28,379 changed that. The upper fit is the best 72 00:03:28,379 --> 00:03:31,415 they've had out of this series. They're really stuck on this 73 00:03:31,415 --> 00:03:34,258 knit upper, but I think they nailed it on this one. 74 00:03:34,259 --> 00:03:36,779 Um, like I barely even have to tighten the laces, like it's 75 00:03:36,779 --> 00:03:41,278 just good to go. Uh, and they changed the plate. 76 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,556 I don't know if you've seen a picture, but it's like it's got 77 00:03:44,556 --> 00:03:48,084 this like top layer on it, kind of, and it really does feel like 78 00:03:48,084 --> 00:03:51,359 when I hit like the forward part of the heel and the midfoot. 79 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,519 Like, there's like a big, like, spring effect from it. 80 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,790 I don't know if that's what's actually happening, but that's 81 00:03:55,790 --> 00:03:58,198 what it feels like. So it's great. 82 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:00,239 I love it a ton. Can't wait to put more miles on 83 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:02,414 it. Um, Also, oh, go ahead and were 84 00:04:02,414 --> 00:04:05,100 you going to say something? Yeah, no, I was just going to 85 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:08,243 say I can attest to that too. I feel like there's a lot more 86 00:04:08,243 --> 00:04:11,191 pop out of them as, you know, NeoVista 3 than previous 87 00:04:11,191 --> 00:04:13,276 versions. This is a noticeable. 88 00:04:13,276 --> 00:04:16,185 Squish and roll. Yeah, and I feel like I can 89 00:04:16,185 --> 00:04:18,617 actually pick up the pace a little bit better in this 90 00:04:18,617 --> 00:04:21,699 version of the NeoVista than I have been able and 2 in the past 91 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:24,059 as well. So, and I agree with the upper. 92 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:27,140 At 1st I thought it might have been a little too snug, but then 93 00:04:27,140 --> 00:04:30,660 I once I ran in it and walked around in it, I was like, no, it 94 00:04:30,660 --> 00:04:32,922 actually is fine. Like it sits around the foot and 95 00:04:32,922 --> 00:04:35,899 it holds it and you just, you basically just tie the laces to 96 00:04:35,899 --> 00:04:38,647 hold it and so that it doesn't do anything more, but it 97 00:04:38,647 --> 00:04:40,937 actually fits really well and it doesn't feel like it's 98 00:04:40,937 --> 00:04:42,539 encroaching the foot in a negative way. 99 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:44,879 So I've been really happy with the newest. 100 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,401 I felt like I was kind of slipping around in a little bit, 101 00:04:47,401 --> 00:04:49,589 but this one, it's like no movement at all. just good to 102 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:50,459 go. Yeah. 103 00:04:50,459 --> 00:04:54,410 What else do you got? The other one I've got is the 104 00:04:54,410 --> 00:04:57,899 Deviate Pure from Puma? Um, this one. 105 00:04:57,899 --> 00:05:00,119 I haven't made my mind up about it. 106 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,660 I've only got 2 runs an hour. Rain in it again this morning, 107 00:05:03,660 --> 00:05:08,546 and it was better than the 1st run, but it's like this close to 108 00:05:08,546 --> 00:05:11,338 being like an almost perfect shoe for me. 109 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:15,483 If it was just like the tiniest bit softer, I think it would be 110 00:05:15,483 --> 00:05:17,699 amazing. So it's like just on the edge of 111 00:05:17,699 --> 00:05:20,274 being too firm. The heel feels like a little 112 00:05:20,274 --> 00:05:24,291 blocky sometimes because I land pretty hard on my heel a lot of 113 00:05:24,291 --> 00:05:26,760 time. Uh, but the rest of the shoe is 114 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,704 really good. The upper, I was watching, I 115 00:05:28,704 --> 00:05:31,746 believe in the runs review of it, and I think Thomas or Megan 116 00:05:31,746 --> 00:05:35,254 said it was like the best upper they've had on a shoe in a long 117 00:05:35,254 --> 00:05:38,099 time, and I totally agree. It's like instant comfort on it. 118 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:43,019 Uh, and it, you know, it's right up there with Evo SL. 119 00:05:43,019 --> 00:05:45,999 Like that's a big comparison everybody's trying to make with 120 00:05:45,999 --> 00:05:48,971 it, which I totally get, you know, $150 shoe, super 121 00:05:48,971 --> 00:05:52,026 lightweight, race like foam. And I honestly think if they 122 00:05:52,026 --> 00:05:55,749 could Goldilocks the shoe and make the uh, foam from the Evo 123 00:05:55,749 --> 00:05:59,159 SL on the Deviate Pure would be like the perfect shoe. 124 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,033 Because I really wanted to like the Evo SL, but the geometry was 125 00:06:02,033 --> 00:06:04,899 too aggressive in the midfoot and the heel for me, so I just, 126 00:06:04,899 --> 00:06:07,559 I couldn't run in it. So it's good. 127 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,599 I'm going to keep trying it out and see how I feel that. 128 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,989 I haven't decided yet. That's so interesting because I 129 00:06:11,989 --> 00:06:16,486 find the Lightstrike Pro and the Evo SL to be just a touch firmer 130 00:06:16,486 --> 00:06:20,338 than the Nitro foam and the Deviate Nitro just a little bit. 131 00:06:20,339 --> 00:06:24,757 Like, I feel like the foam itself in the nitro, deviate 132 00:06:24,757 --> 00:06:27,373 pure nitro. Like, I find it to be really 133 00:06:27,373 --> 00:06:30,730 soft, but there's not quite as much of it, you know, being at 134 00:06:30,730 --> 00:06:32,278 like, what, 37 millimeters or something. 135 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,159 So it compresses really quick, and I think that gives it some 136 00:06:35,159 --> 00:06:37,799 of that firm nature, and you have that thicker Puma Grip 137 00:06:37,799 --> 00:06:41,304 outsole. Um, so, but I felt like the foam 138 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:46,595 itself was soft where I didn't feel like I had quite as much 139 00:06:46,595 --> 00:06:51,479 give in the Adidas Adizero Evo SL, the XO woven, the regular. 140 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,939 Yeah, you got the XO one. I am, the XO, yeah. 141 00:06:53,939 --> 00:06:57,767 The XO is pretty cool. But I don't I see what you're 142 00:06:57,767 --> 00:07:00,078 saying, though. And maybe the integrity of the 143 00:07:00,078 --> 00:07:02,179 mental... Yeah, like I need a little more 144 00:07:02,179 --> 00:07:04,799 like squish and bounce and then it would be awesome. 145 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,838 Yeah. It's it's close. 146 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,947 It's good. I think it'll be one of those 147 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:11,411 where like that, you know, the other thing I was thinking 148 00:07:11,411 --> 00:07:14,098 about, and you guys were talking about this a couple episodes ago 149 00:07:14,098 --> 00:07:17,928 is how much of it is perception. Like, I've been running in a lot 150 00:07:17,928 --> 00:07:22,140 of really soft, big shoes and to go to something that is, you 151 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:25,704 know, 37 still high stacked, but, you know, not an overly 152 00:07:25,704 --> 00:07:29,592 foamy, cushioned shoe that maybe might be a little bit on the 153 00:07:29,592 --> 00:07:31,451 firmer side. Like, I wonder if that's skewing 154 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,059 my perception of how I feel about it. 155 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:35,459 Potentially. Yeah. 156 00:07:35,459 --> 00:07:39,134 What do you got? One more, the speaking of 157 00:07:39,134 --> 00:07:43,634 squish, the ultimate squish, uh, been running a little bit in the 158 00:07:43,634 --> 00:07:46,739 Endorphin Elite 3. Um, I didn't run in the two. 159 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:50,261 I ran in the 1st one and it was firm and aggressive, but I had 160 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:51,899 fun in it. This thing is ridiculous. 161 00:07:51,899 --> 00:07:55,499 Uh, the softest, squishiest shoe. 162 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:58,301 I think I've ever run it. It's basically like what I would 163 00:07:58,301 --> 00:08:02,099 exactly want in a super shoe, except my body can't handle it. 164 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:06,772 So I did, uh, like 6 miles in it last week with some strides at 165 00:08:06,772 --> 00:08:10,815 the end and my ankles were almost too sort of run for like 166 00:08:10,815 --> 00:08:13,739 a week after that. So I was like, okay, okay. 167 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:16,949 I just need to like baby step dose this shoe into my running 168 00:08:16,949 --> 00:08:19,379 life because it's too much. I can't handle it. 169 00:08:19,379 --> 00:08:22,139 That's wild. I still need to run in it. 170 00:08:22,139 --> 00:08:26,111 I have my pair and it came in right as I was going to Boston 171 00:08:26,111 --> 00:08:29,279 and then, you know, I had the recovery from Boston, had a 172 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:32,447 little injury, come up, and I just haven't even touched any of 173 00:08:32,447 --> 00:08:35,443 my super shoes. So I have that one waiting and I 174 00:08:35,443 --> 00:08:37,918 have the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 4 still waiting. 175 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,874 And I'm excited to run in those. I just haven't had a chance to 176 00:08:41,874 --> 00:08:45,054 like put them on and put an honest effort into them without 177 00:08:45,054 --> 00:08:46,379 worrying about like hurting myself. 178 00:08:46,379 --> 00:08:48,959 So that's... just trying to get... 179 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,819 I'm like only running slow right now. 180 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:54,420 So my the 1st time I ran the Elite 3 was like 4 miles or 181 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:56,820 something like that, just testing it out, but then having 182 00:08:56,820 --> 00:09:00,419 a like decent run in it, it was like, Oh my gosh, this thing is 183 00:09:00,419 --> 00:09:01,809 crazy. I remember somebody at talking 184 00:09:01,809 --> 00:09:05,252 to me, I think when they came out with a 2 or maybe, yeah, it 185 00:09:05,252 --> 00:09:08,682 was the two. They described it as like 186 00:09:08,682 --> 00:09:11,459 non-Newtonian liquid. So like the softer you hit it, 187 00:09:11,459 --> 00:09:14,339 the squishier it is, but then the harder you hit it, the 188 00:09:14,339 --> 00:09:17,219 harder it bounces off and that is 100% what it feels like. 189 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:21,005 I did some strides in it. And it, like, I've heard Matt 190 00:09:21,005 --> 00:09:25,048 talk about it shoes this way before, but it felt like I was 191 00:09:25,048 --> 00:09:27,758 out of control. Like it was going so fast that 192 00:09:27,758 --> 00:09:30,806 like I couldn't control my legs running that fast and it was 193 00:09:30,806 --> 00:09:32,579 like, holy crap, what is this thing? 194 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:35,639 I remember my 1st I'm having that sensation. 195 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:39,663 What have been Nike, Alphafly 1? I felt like I ripped my stride 196 00:09:39,663 --> 00:09:43,989 open and I had to like keep my legs tame because of the balance 197 00:09:43,989 --> 00:09:46,678 I was getting from the midsole. And who knows? 198 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,658 Maybe like shoes have come so far now. 199 00:09:48,659 --> 00:09:50,939 Like if I put the Alphafly 1 on right now. 200 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:53,892 Maybe I'm used to it and it would be like, oh, this feels 201 00:09:53,892 --> 00:09:55,968 flat. I don't think that'd be the 202 00:09:55,968 --> 00:09:58,739 case, but like, that'd be wild if it did. 203 00:09:58,740 --> 00:10:02,201 But yeah, I'll get into like, that was all the ones you had 204 00:10:02,201 --> 00:10:04,439 for testing, right? Yeah, yeah, that's all my... 205 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,705 Let us know. what's yours Yeah, so mine's very trail heavy. you 206 00:10:07,705 --> 00:10:10,619 know, ever since Boston and kind of getting back into things. 207 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:13,336 I had a bunch of trail shoes that were on the docket that I 208 00:10:13,336 --> 00:10:16,046 never got to, and then my foot got hurt and we've just kind of 209 00:10:16,046 --> 00:10:18,748 been in an up and down cycle here, but I've got about a week 210 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:20,099 and a half of consistent running now. 211 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:23,639 And we're just starting to get more and more miles down. 212 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:25,379 So now I'm just catching up on a lot of those. 213 00:10:25,379 --> 00:10:29,771 Um, so you'll probably see a, uh, review on this coming up 214 00:10:29,771 --> 00:10:33,058 soon, but this is Salomon S/LAB Ultra Glide 2. 215 00:10:33,059 --> 00:10:37,343 Now, I've been a huge fan of the Salomon Ultra Glide 4 for a 216 00:10:37,343 --> 00:10:39,479 while, and this is an interesting one. 217 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,715 I feel like I don't know if it's worth the price increased to get 218 00:10:43,715 --> 00:10:47,339 it, but I think it is better than the Ultra Glide 4. 219 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:51,363 So you just got to ask yourself as far as like what you value in 220 00:10:51,363 --> 00:10:53,900 the shoe. It's using an Opta Plus midsole, 221 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:56,199 so different midsole. It surprisingly feels a touch 222 00:10:56,199 --> 00:10:59,579 firmer to me than the regular Opta foam, but it feels a little 223 00:10:59,579 --> 00:11:02,287 bit more bouncy out of it. Like you just get a little bit 224 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:05,052 more resilience from it. Full contact outsole, very 225 00:11:05,052 --> 00:11:07,800 grippy. The upper is also, it's like a 226 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,019 matrix lined upper and it's, it's secure. 227 00:11:10,019 --> 00:11:11,639 It's lightweight, it's breathable. 228 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:14,639 It's not quite as plush as the regular ultra glide. 229 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:17,299 It feels definitely a little bit more performance oriented, which 230 00:11:17,299 --> 00:11:20,078 is what it is. The S/LAB design is meant to be 231 00:11:20,078 --> 00:11:23,007 for the racing models. And then the other one that I'm 232 00:11:23,007 --> 00:11:25,800 actually really excited about. I should have grabbed my other 233 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,343 pair as well. Um, I've got 2 pairs, one 234 00:11:28,343 --> 00:11:31,739 variant of this one, but this is the Topo Ultra Venture 5. 235 00:11:31,740 --> 00:11:35,830 Step in on this is great. I actually, it's very, very 236 00:11:35,830 --> 00:11:38,819 cozy, standing walking, I've wanted to work already. 237 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:42,275 I think it's going to be a great shoe for just long outings of 238 00:11:42,275 --> 00:11:45,059 just easy trail running. They use the Vibram Megagrip 239 00:11:45,059 --> 00:11:47,519 outsole. The lugs aren't super deep. 240 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:50,584 So I'm curious to see how it does when I go in technical 241 00:11:50,584 --> 00:11:52,577 terrain. Um, so I have this as the 242 00:11:52,577 --> 00:11:55,079 regular version and I have the Gore-Tex version as well. 243 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,530 Now we're getting into the summer months in Santa Barbara 244 00:11:57,530 --> 00:11:59,319 right now. I don't anticipate any rain 245 00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:02,121 coming. So I might straight up just go 246 00:12:02,121 --> 00:12:06,830 into the shower and dunk the GTX version in and be like, how 247 00:12:06,830 --> 00:12:10,139 waterproof is this thing? Like, let's test the Gore-Tex. 248 00:12:10,139 --> 00:12:14,629 And that might be the answer to how I actually test the 249 00:12:14,629 --> 00:12:16,499 waterproofness of the GTX version. 250 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:19,344 Just side note. It's wild that you say summer's 251 00:12:19,344 --> 00:12:21,599 starting in Santa Barbara. So that means it's gonna stop 252 00:12:21,599 --> 00:12:23,429 raining. We're like here we're in the 253 00:12:23,429 --> 00:12:26,725 throes of summer in South Texas and it's raining like every day 254 00:12:26,725 --> 00:12:28,575 constantly. Yeah, I've been watching the 255 00:12:28,575 --> 00:12:32,040 NCAA baseball regionals recently and I feel like every team in 256 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,558 that region is like in weather delay constantly. 257 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,038 It's just like, what the heck, dude? 258 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:40,019 Like, when is this game gonna go? 259 00:12:40,019 --> 00:12:43,739 But yeah, and then the other trail shoe that I'm catching up 260 00:12:43,739 --> 00:12:47,158 on is the Brooks Cascadia 20. This one is a surprising one. 261 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:48,778 It's a lot lighter than previous versions. 262 00:12:48,779 --> 00:12:51,239 I don't have the weight memorized right now to tell 263 00:12:51,239 --> 00:12:53,699 y'all, but it's like noticeably lighter when you hold it. 264 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:58,000 It's a nitrogen-infused midsole, uh, and it's got Vibram Megagrip 265 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,239 as well. The lugs are full contact. 266 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,761 They feel grippy and they're not super deep, but they feel deep 267 00:13:03,761 --> 00:13:05,519 enough to pretty much hit anything. 268 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:09,863 The Cascadia has always been kind of like a sturdy, reliable 269 00:13:09,863 --> 00:13:14,197 trail running shoe that, for lack of a better word, like, 270 00:13:14,197 --> 00:13:18,531 it's kind of just been like, that reliable brick, if that 271 00:13:18,531 --> 00:13:21,058 makes sense. Like, that sounds... 272 00:13:21,059 --> 00:13:23,939 It sounds bad, but it's, I don't mean it in a bad way. 273 00:13:23,940 --> 00:13:26,699 Like, it's just like, it's, it's what it is. 274 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,158 It's always been a little heavy. It's always been really sturdy. 275 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:32,939 It's like a great hiking and just reliable shoe if you want 276 00:13:32,939 --> 00:13:35,934 stability on your foot. It's not like the most exciting 277 00:13:35,934 --> 00:13:38,933 shoe in the world usually. Would you kind of, you know, 278 00:13:38,933 --> 00:13:42,041 it's like the Ghost version of the trail, or the trail version 279 00:13:42,041 --> 00:13:44,885 of the Ghost kind of where that reliable workhorse trainer that 280 00:13:44,885 --> 00:13:48,239 you know what you're going to get out of it all the time. 281 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,418 Yeah, and like in that way, that brings its own value, right? 282 00:13:51,419 --> 00:13:56,519 And, uh, just sturdy, reliable, just workhorse shoe. 283 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:00,068 But it feels lighter and it feels more fun and the upper is 284 00:14:00,068 --> 00:14:02,798 a little bit lighter than previous versions from what I 285 00:14:02,798 --> 00:14:04,979 can tell as well while still being softer. 286 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:06,839 So I'm excited to get some miles on that. 287 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,540 That's one of those things where I'm like long overdue and just 288 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:12,719 getting back into things. So that's mainly what I got. 289 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,819 I got 2 more that I'll talk about real quickly. 290 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:18,163 Gonna have a YouTube short on this by the time this is out, 291 00:14:18,163 --> 00:14:20,219 but we have the Adidas Evo, uh, XO. 292 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:25,079 Adidas Evo SL XO, that we had just brought up earlier. 293 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,772 And so the main update to this one is the upper, it's an 294 00:14:28,772 --> 00:14:30,719 exoskeleton upper. It's a synthetic mesh. 295 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,393 Reinforced a little bit more. I'm going to hold it up close to 296 00:14:34,393 --> 00:14:37,240 the screen here so you guys can see there's a lot of overlays 297 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,687 that go. Yeah, it looks really cool, and 298 00:14:39,687 --> 00:14:42,359 I will actually say it does feel functional. 299 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,672 I think this is probably my favorite upper that the SL has 300 00:14:45,672 --> 00:14:49,409 had so far. I will say it feels a little 301 00:14:49,409 --> 00:14:51,899 less breathable than the previous uppers. 302 00:14:51,899 --> 00:14:54,599 It's like you sacrifice the breathability for security in 303 00:14:54,599 --> 00:14:56,520 this one. They still have some ventilation 304 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,940 holes in things, but it does feel like it runs a touch warm, 305 00:14:59,940 --> 00:15:03,096 but it really does lock your foot down and it does feel 306 00:15:03,096 --> 00:15:04,800 secure. Like I don't hesitate going in 307 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,479 at any turns or anything like that. 308 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,219 Like it really does feel like my foot's in there. 309 00:15:08,220 --> 00:15:11,110 Whereas like the OG was like this lightweight synthetic mesh 310 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:14,289 very breathable, but you're like, ah, I don't know about the 311 00:15:14,289 --> 00:15:16,019 integrity of the material that much. 312 00:15:16,019 --> 00:15:17,579 Yeah, it always felt a little bit iffy. 313 00:15:17,580 --> 00:15:19,774 Yeah. And then the woven was like a 314 00:15:19,774 --> 00:15:22,716 step up from that. And then this is basically like 315 00:15:22,716 --> 00:15:25,563 a woven, but with additional reinforcement, but lighter 316 00:15:25,563 --> 00:15:27,479 somehow. So I don't actually know how 317 00:15:27,479 --> 00:15:29,939 they did that. Wizards. 318 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:32,158 Yeah, they're just wizards, I guess. 319 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:35,459 But I think the Evo SLXO actually is my favorite. 320 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:39,178 I will preface, though, once you get it, because that upper is a 321 00:15:39,178 --> 00:15:42,324 little bit thicker, and it's like a kind of a synthetic-y 322 00:15:42,324 --> 00:15:45,464 mesh material, it almost feels plastick-y, so you get like a 323 00:15:45,464 --> 00:15:48,599 crinkling when you're walking and running when you 1st get it. 324 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,339 But once you break it in, it's a break in. 325 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:51,959 Yeah, it started going away from me. 326 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,415 But I've worn it a few times now walking around in the clinic and 327 00:15:55,415 --> 00:15:58,859 then I ran in it today and it seems like it's it's going away. 328 00:15:58,860 --> 00:16:00,839 I don't really notice it anymore. 329 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,716 But the 1st few uses for sure. It's like, you know, like it's 330 00:16:04,716 --> 00:16:07,909 to the point where like, Oh man, if this keeps doing this, I 331 00:16:07,909 --> 00:16:09,359 don't know. This might be a deal breaker. 332 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,239 Um, but it's gone away. So that's good. 333 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,200 And then the Topo Magnify 6 is the other one, neutral trainer, 334 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,599 zero-drop, middle stack height. I like that all white. 335 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,420 All white's clean. I feel like I can wear this to 336 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:23,219 the clinic with zero issues. This looks great. 337 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:26,459 Um, the Magnify. it's the Magnify. 338 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:28,619 It's like, you know, just a gently rocker. 339 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:31,680 I mean, just a little bit of a bevel on the heel, a little bit 340 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,719 around the forefoot, more of a natural feeling shoe underfoot. 341 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,780 Just enough foam to be protective for whatever you 342 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:39,671 needed to do. It's a daily trainer, has a 343 00:16:39,671 --> 00:16:42,479 relatively natural feel to it, some flexibility up front. 344 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,643 It's a solid trainer. You know, I've actually really 345 00:16:45,643 --> 00:16:47,699 enjoyed it. It's one of those trainers, kind 346 00:16:47,699 --> 00:16:50,579 of like we just said with the Ghost and the Cascadia where 347 00:16:50,579 --> 00:16:52,259 it's not the most exciting on paper. 348 00:16:52,259 --> 00:16:55,359 It's not like the materials are going to go wow you, but it's a 349 00:16:55,359 --> 00:16:57,719 comfortable shoot of wear, stand, walk, and run. 350 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,194 And, um, you could just get miles in it, and it's a 351 00:17:01,194 --> 00:17:04,499 no-frills kind of just trainer. Uh, but the upper is great. 352 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:06,479 Topo always does a good job with the uppers. 353 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,878 I feel like the Magnify 6 is no exception. 354 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,338 Like, it's it's solid. It's a good fit. 355 00:17:11,339 --> 00:17:13,409 It's a comfortable shoe. They did a really good job with 356 00:17:13,409 --> 00:17:15,584 it. It won't be for everyone being a 357 00:17:15,584 --> 00:17:18,185 zero-millimeter-drop shoe at the moderate stack height, but if 358 00:17:18,185 --> 00:17:19,919 you're looking for that it's great. 359 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,932 But that's what I got. So we'll get into the podcast 360 00:17:22,932 --> 00:17:24,838 now of what we're going to be talking about. 361 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:28,337 And as always, too, the in for testing segment is sponsored by 362 00:17:28,337 --> 00:17:30,058 Scratch Labs. We want to thank them as well. 363 00:17:30,059 --> 00:17:33,687 If you want to do a code for your 1st order for is a 10% off, 364 00:17:33,687 --> 00:17:35,436 I believe. It's going to be 365 00:17:35,436 --> 00:17:38,344 DOCTORSOFRUNNING, all capital letters, and you could put that 366 00:17:38,344 --> 00:17:41,038 in for your 1st order. But we'll get into it now. 367 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:45,439 We're going to be talking about our top 5 maximal cushion 368 00:17:45,439 --> 00:17:48,719 trainers of all time. All time. 369 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,312 All time. Now there will be a little 370 00:17:51,312 --> 00:17:54,455 caveat to this, and this is going to be maximum cushion at 371 00:17:54,455 --> 00:17:57,754 the time of release. So let's say this was 10 years 372 00:17:57,754 --> 00:18:01,618 ago, and everything that was coming out was like 25 to 30 373 00:18:01,618 --> 00:18:05,470 mills or something, you had a 35 millimeter king out there that 374 00:18:05,470 --> 00:18:08,038 was the thick boy of the era, right? 375 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,578 Like if it, if that's the case, that does qualify. 376 00:18:11,579 --> 00:18:14,459 You know, it may not be Max Cushion in today's market, but 377 00:18:14,459 --> 00:18:17,938 it was Max Cushion at that time. So we're going to go off of how 378 00:18:17,938 --> 00:18:20,402 we remember things and there's obviously going to be some give 379 00:18:20,402 --> 00:18:23,651 and take to this. But we're going to go 5, 4, 3, 380 00:18:23,651 --> 00:18:25,746 2, 1. We'll go back and forth and 381 00:18:25,746 --> 00:18:28,800 we'll just alternate from there. And yeah, and these are 382 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,150 surprises. We didn't talk about each 383 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:32,734 other's picks before we started. Yeah, we didn't talk about a 384 00:18:32,734 --> 00:18:34,019 thing. Find out as we go. 385 00:18:34,019 --> 00:18:35,639 I'm still figuring this out live. 386 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,930 We had a bunch of technical issues before starting this 387 00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:39,868 podcast. So I was figuring that out live 388 00:18:39,868 --> 00:18:42,298 and now I'm going to figure out my order live. 389 00:18:42,299 --> 00:18:44,755 So we're going to do it. But I'm going to put BJ on the 390 00:18:44,755 --> 00:18:46,259 hot seat first. You got number five? 391 00:18:46,259 --> 00:18:48,882 Okay. Okay, I will go with number 392 00:18:48,882 --> 00:18:51,649 five. Uh, I like that you preface it 393 00:18:51,649 --> 00:18:55,139 with for the max for the time that it was. 394 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:59,880 And I don't even know if this shoe was maxed for the time that 395 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,598 it was technically, but it was like my 1st cushion shoes. 396 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:06,306 So I didn't get an, I wasn't a runner in high school or college 397 00:19:06,306 --> 00:19:08,917 or anything like that. I got into it in like 2018, 398 00:19:08,917 --> 00:19:13,330 2019. Um, so this, the, The 1st one on 399 00:19:13,330 --> 00:19:16,318 my list is the New Balance 1080 V 10. 400 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:20,278 I looked it up because I was curious what it was. 401 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:23,879 It was quote, only 30 millimeters in the heel. 402 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,590 And but I was looking at a bunch of the other like best shoes of 403 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:32,038 2019 at the time and they were, you know, 2025, 28. 404 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:35,519 So I'm going to count it as Max Cushion. 405 00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:37,739 It was at least my 1st cushion shoe. 406 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:41,884 I think it was probably like the 3rd running shoe I ever bought 407 00:19:41,884 --> 00:19:43,094 something like that. Wow. 408 00:19:43,094 --> 00:19:46,664 Um, and it was, it was one of those shoes that was like, uh, 409 00:19:46,664 --> 00:19:49,973 you know, for those of us like me have gotten into running late 410 00:19:49,973 --> 00:19:53,529 in life and maybe you start with like a cheaper shoe or a shoe 411 00:19:53,529 --> 00:19:56,831 that's not, you know, one of the budget line shoes when you get 412 00:19:56,831 --> 00:19:59,625 into like a real running shoe, it feels like something totally 413 00:19:59,625 --> 00:20:01,572 different. And that's what this felt like 414 00:20:01,572 --> 00:20:05,519 to me, it was like, I never put on anything that was as squishy 415 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:09,453 as this was, I'm sure it would feel like a brick, you know, now 416 00:20:09,453 --> 00:20:13,679 6 years, 7 years later. Um, but I love that shoe. 417 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,604 I put so many miles in it. I think I had 400 miles in the 418 00:20:17,604 --> 00:20:21,239 pair that I got, and then I got the 11 after that. 419 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,947 Um, It was great. Smooth rocker, a little bit toe 420 00:20:24,947 --> 00:20:28,757 spring, a little bit of rocker at the front, good heel bevel, 421 00:20:28,757 --> 00:20:32,865 and some flex in the forefoot. So it was just a smooth cruiser 422 00:20:32,865 --> 00:20:34,475 shoe. I did a ton of long runs in that 423 00:20:34,475 --> 00:20:36,118 one. Nice. 424 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,038 I like it. I like the retro pick. 425 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:42,719 I'm gonna, it wouldn't be a recording with me if I didn't 426 00:20:42,719 --> 00:20:45,589 have an honorable mention. I've got an honor mention, but 427 00:20:45,589 --> 00:20:47,999 I'm saying it for later. I'm right there with you. 428 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,838 Okay. Yeah. 429 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:51,839 I'm going put an honorable mention because this one isn't 430 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:56,039 going to make my top five, but I feel like it has to be 431 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:59,087 acknowledged. And everything for a while was 432 00:20:59,087 --> 00:21:03,659 like how low to the ground can we get it? 433 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:06,025 How natural can we get it feeling how snappy can we get 434 00:21:06,025 --> 00:21:07,798 the foams? How light can we get it? 435 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:10,472 And this is before we had modern, like modern foams, 436 00:21:10,472 --> 00:21:13,451 right? And so there really wasn't a big 437 00:21:13,451 --> 00:21:15,959 push towards Max Cushion. It just didn't really exist. 438 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,278 And if it did exist, it was like a couple of one off here and 439 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:22,363 there. Um, and I'm going to give this 440 00:21:22,363 --> 00:21:26,038 honorable mention to the hook of Clifton and Bondi. 441 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:30,575 When Hoka came on the scene, they were the 1st like, you 442 00:21:30,575 --> 00:21:33,598 could, I don't know, high stack rocket options. 443 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:35,578 They looked goofy as heck, right? 444 00:21:35,579 --> 00:21:38,278 Like, they just didn't look like anything else on the market. 445 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:39,899 Now everything kind of looks like that, right? 446 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:43,558 Like, but it's like at the time, it just looked odd. 447 00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:48,538 And I was super like, um, skeptical. 448 00:21:48,539 --> 00:21:53,759 I just, I didn't fully buy into it at 1st and, um, I remember my 449 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:57,239 very 1st pair of Hokas was a Hoka Bondi 3. 450 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,219 And I finally was like, all right, fine. 451 00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:02,385 I'll buy a pair. I'll see what is about this, you 452 00:22:02,385 --> 00:22:04,590 know? And then that was my 1st like 453 00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:07,020 real experience, like a rocker sole that was stiff. 454 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:09,179 And I was like, whoa, this is interesting. 455 00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:11,980 You know, it was cool. It was cushioned, it was 456 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:13,556 rockered. It's what it was, you know, and 457 00:22:13,556 --> 00:22:16,188 maybe it'd feel like a brick today, but I feel like I got to 458 00:22:16,188 --> 00:22:18,058 give a shout out to them as an honorable mansion. 459 00:22:18,059 --> 00:22:24,255 Um, And my number 5 then going into that is kind of a spinoff 460 00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:27,380 of that. And this would go back in my 461 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:30,679 college days. Um, I was in college when Boost 462 00:22:30,679 --> 00:22:35,228 was 1st debuted, and they came out with a shoe called the 463 00:22:35,228 --> 00:22:38,639 Adidas Energy Boost, and it wasn't the Ultra Boost. 464 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,338 This was pre-Ultra Boost. This was pre-Glide Boost. 465 00:22:41,339 --> 00:22:44,460 This was pre-Adios Boost. They had a shoe that was 466 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:45,959 literally just called the energy boost. 467 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,524 That was the name of the shoe. And it was the Adidas Energy 468 00:22:49,524 --> 00:22:51,679 Boost. And I went, because you pulled 469 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:54,811 up the specs. I went to go pull it up real 470 00:22:54,811 --> 00:22:57,269 quick myself. And if AI is correct, you know, 471 00:22:57,269 --> 00:22:59,726 I'm just literally putting up Adidas energy based original 472 00:22:59,726 --> 00:23:01,176 specifications. Yeah, huge asterisk, but 473 00:23:01,176 --> 00:23:05,285 according to this, it has it at 32 and the heel 22 and the 474 00:23:05,285 --> 00:23:08,193 forefoot. So by no means max cushioned by 475 00:23:08,193 --> 00:23:10,312 today's standards. But Boost was revolutionary at 476 00:23:10,312 --> 00:23:12,778 the time for Max Cushion then, yeah, for sure. 477 00:23:12,779 --> 00:23:16,452 And it felt like it. It was a new experience, a 478 00:23:16,452 --> 00:23:20,228 beaded TPU-type midsole, right? Like it was just, it was a nice 479 00:23:20,228 --> 00:23:22,798 trainer that I could just go pound miles into. 480 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:26,788 And that would have debuted. I think I would have been a 481 00:23:26,788 --> 00:23:30,118 freshman in college, freshman or sophomore. when that rolled out. 482 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,358 And then the Adios Boost came out very shortly after that. 483 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,421 And then, um, and then yeah, everything came to be history 484 00:23:37,421 --> 00:23:39,804 after that. But that would be my number 485 00:23:39,804 --> 00:23:42,081 five. It was a just a nice workhorse 486 00:23:42,081 --> 00:23:44,939 trainer that provided a lot of cushion for the time. 487 00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:48,598 Gentle rocker. It wasn't super dramatic. 488 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,330 It still kind of had what you would call a quote unquote 489 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:52,919 traditional feel, but it was still rounded. 490 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,148 So, at the time, I felt like that was a revolutionary trainer 491 00:23:56,148 --> 00:23:59,098 for me, and it's one that left a marking on me. 492 00:23:59,099 --> 00:24:02,159 So, that's my number five. Yeah. 493 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,999 What do you got for number four? Okay. 494 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,179 There's a little bit of recency bias. 495 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:13,763 I think I play with a lot of these because, you know, I don't 496 00:24:13,763 --> 00:24:16,379 know how much, or let me restate this. 497 00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:20,111 I think the Max Cushion category really has taken off in the past 498 00:24:20,111 --> 00:24:23,555 couple years, you know, before it was just a couple brands that 499 00:24:23,555 --> 00:24:26,999 had shoes that were, you know, above 40 or something like that. 500 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,454 So now everybody has one. So I feel a little bad, you 501 00:24:30,454 --> 00:24:33,598 know, having a lot of these shoes on my list be recent. 502 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,269 But at the same time, I think about it, I look back through 503 00:24:36,269 --> 00:24:38,934 the shoes that I've run in, it's like, well, these are the ones 504 00:24:38,934 --> 00:24:41,098 that I like the best. So I'm just going to go with it. 505 00:24:41,099 --> 00:24:43,798 Uh, let me dig it out from my pile. 506 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:50,038 The, uh, ASICS Superblast 3 is number 4 on my list. 507 00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:54,179 Hey, got the peach color way here. 508 00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:57,778 So I was late to the game on version two. 509 00:24:57,779 --> 00:25:01,769 Uh, I bought it myself like, I don't know, 6 months or so after 510 00:25:01,769 --> 00:25:04,618 it came out, um, after hearing everybody talk about it. 511 00:25:04,619 --> 00:25:06,934 I was like, okay, everybody loves this shoe, obsessed with 512 00:25:06,934 --> 00:25:09,833 that guy, try it. And it was another one of those 513 00:25:09,833 --> 00:25:13,499 shoes that I was like 50-50 on, half my runs are really great. 514 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:17,209 The other half were like, eh. And the more I've run it lately, 515 00:25:17,209 --> 00:25:21,576 version two, not this one. Uh, I feel like it was a little 516 00:25:21,576 --> 00:25:25,500 bit too, not that it was too firm, but like something about 517 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:29,424 the geometry in the midfoot with the FF Blast Turbo+ being a 518 00:25:29,424 --> 00:25:33,673 little on the firmer side, made it hard for me to transition off 519 00:25:33,673 --> 00:25:37,259 of a little bit, but the 3 has totally changed that. 520 00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:40,919 So having — oh, sorry — this is the FF Leap. 521 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,031 Yeah, the Turbo+. Yeah, sorry, the FF Blast 522 00:25:44,031 --> 00:25:46,647 Turbo+, yeah. But having FF Leap in this one 523 00:25:46,647 --> 00:25:49,558 has totally changed it. This foam is crazy soft. 524 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,241 I've ran like all of 2 miles in the race version while we were 525 00:25:52,241 --> 00:25:54,533 in Japan and it would have broken my ankles if I probably 526 00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:57,220 tried to run more in it. So, but in this application, 527 00:25:57,220 --> 00:26:01,217 it's perfect because it makes it soft enough that I feel like I 528 00:26:01,217 --> 00:26:05,515 can, you know, pronate over my foot and get off of it, and then 529 00:26:05,515 --> 00:26:08,278 it's got a ton of bounce in it too. 530 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:12,419 Um, and, you know, it's ridiculously light. 531 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:15,660 It's like what? It's in LA, it's just over 8 532 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:16,289 ounces. Yeah. 533 00:26:16,289 --> 00:26:18,389 Yeah. Yeah. 46 in the rear, and it 534 00:26:18,389 --> 00:26:21,665 feels like you're running on a lot of foam, but in like a good 535 00:26:21,665 --> 00:26:24,024 way. Um, I can do everything from 536 00:26:24,024 --> 00:26:28,626 like recovery 10.5 minute miles in it to picking it up and it, 537 00:26:28,626 --> 00:26:32,519 and it feels just as good, no matter what I'm doing. 538 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,729 The other thing I love about it is, like I said before, a lot of 539 00:26:35,729 --> 00:26:38,511 shoes will tire my ankles out, but this one doesn't, and I can 540 00:26:38,511 --> 00:26:40,858 run on it when my ankles are tired, which is huge. 541 00:26:40,859 --> 00:26:43,558 So it's just been super reliable. 542 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,512 I think I've got 50 miles of mine so far or something like 543 00:26:46,512 --> 00:26:49,739 that. So it's crushing it for me. 544 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:51,358 I'm running it usually twice a week. 545 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,179 It's just so much fun Nice. I like the pick. 546 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:58,049 You know, I think the Super Blast is one of those shoes that 547 00:26:58,049 --> 00:27:01,199 also broke open, kind of this modern era, super trainers. if 548 00:27:01,199 --> 00:27:02,338 you like. Yeah. 549 00:27:02,339 --> 00:27:04,439 And I was this huge fan of Superblast 2. 550 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,379 And I like Superblast 3 a lot too. 551 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:11,578 It's not on my list, but I liked it a lot. 552 00:27:11,579 --> 00:27:16,662 I did run at, you know, what, 22, 22, 3 miler out the box in 553 00:27:16,662 --> 00:27:19,739 that shoe. I feel like just for that alone. 554 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:22,342 I probably should have made the list now that I'm thinking about 555 00:27:22,342 --> 00:27:24,538 it. But it didn't. 556 00:27:24,539 --> 00:27:27,719 There's a reason for that. I'll talk about that later. 557 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,439 But, um, great shoe. Solid, stable around. 558 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,914 It's one of the examples that you were talking about earlier, 559 00:27:33,914 --> 00:27:36,826 where you can have a really soft sole, but still have it be 560 00:27:36,826 --> 00:27:39,514 something that's stable enough to run in for those that need a 561 00:27:39,514 --> 00:27:40,858 little bit of stability and guidance. 562 00:27:40,859 --> 00:27:45,028 So big fan of that. My number 4 is actually kind of 563 00:27:45,028 --> 00:27:48,759 in a similar vein, not quite as light and balancy, but it's very 564 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,907 plush and it kind of fits in that stable neutral category 565 00:27:51,907 --> 00:27:55,053 that we were talking about. I'm just pulling up the specs 566 00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:58,199 really quick so I could take a quick look at it. 567 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,336 Okay, we got it. Um, this is going to be the Nike 568 00:28:01,336 --> 00:28:03,239 Invincible Run Plus number 4 for me. 569 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,659 And this has been a solid trainer for me. 570 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:10,902 It was one of our favorites from the year prior to this year, and 571 00:28:10,902 --> 00:28:14,305 it's a full Zoom X midsole. It's a continuation of the 572 00:28:14,305 --> 00:28:17,699 invincible line. Very bulbous, dense midsole. 573 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,682 It kind of comes out a little bit, and you can feel that foam 574 00:28:20,682 --> 00:28:22,379 compress under you, but it doesn't feel unstable. 575 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:23,879 You've got a super thick outsole. 576 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,243 It's hard to make a dent in that thing. 577 00:28:26,243 --> 00:28:29,387 And you've got a lot of midsole flaring off the top, an 578 00:28:29,387 --> 00:28:30,959 extension off the base midsole there. 579 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,704 It just feels very surefooted for how high it is and how soft 580 00:28:34,704 --> 00:28:37,284 it is. You have a plush upper, it's 581 00:28:37,284 --> 00:28:39,754 solid. Even though it's Zoom X, it's 582 00:28:39,754 --> 00:28:42,239 definitely, it feels better for daily training. 583 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,180 This was never a shoe that I felt like I could go fast in, 584 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:48,077 but it felt lofty. Like it felt like I could just 585 00:28:48,077 --> 00:28:52,193 go and run easy for a lot of miles if I wasn't worrying about 586 00:28:52,193 --> 00:28:54,538 the pace comes in just under 10 ounces. 587 00:28:54,539 --> 00:28:57,069 It's like in that high 9 right around 10 basically. 588 00:28:57,069 --> 00:29:00,358 And it's like at 43 moment of stack and then Zoom X, right? 589 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,358 So it's the people basement, so super soft, compliant, like, 590 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,179 It's a solid super trainer that's out there. 591 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:09,780 The other ones, I think, that I have ahead of it, I think are a 592 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:12,420 little bit more exciting for me personally, but that's my number 593 00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:14,519 four. So we'll move on to number. 594 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:18,080 I think the other big plus with that one is doesn't it come in 595 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,858 at like 170, 180, something like that? 596 00:29:19,859 --> 00:29:22,979 Yeah, I think it's 180. It's a definite value 597 00:29:22,979 --> 00:29:27,839 proposition compared to a lot of the other, you know, big max 598 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,722 shoes in this category. I mean, the Superblast is over 599 00:29:31,722 --> 00:29:34,745 200. Um, so I think that can be a big 600 00:29:34,745 --> 00:29:36,778 factor. It's a good one. 601 00:29:36,779 --> 00:29:39,768 Yeah, that's huge. I didn't even think about that, 602 00:29:39,768 --> 00:29:43,049 but that is huge. Um, so yeah, we'll go into 603 00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:44,699 number three. What you got? 604 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:48,659 Number three, okay, I'm staying with ASICS here. 605 00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:52,928 This has probably been my favorite shoe of the past, I 606 00:29:52,928 --> 00:29:55,318 don't know, 2 years? Something like that? 607 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,739 The Megablast. I love this shoe. 608 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:02,689 I put more miles in this shoe than any other shoe over the 609 00:30:02,689 --> 00:30:07,036 past couple years. Uh, it's it's hard to find a 610 00:30:07,036 --> 00:30:09,419 comparison to this one. It's funny. 611 00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:12,865 I almost didn't put on my list because it doesn't feel, to me 612 00:30:12,865 --> 00:30:15,778 at least, while I'm running it like a max stack shoe. 613 00:30:15,779 --> 00:30:19,019 It's over, you know, it's 45 millimeters in the heel. 614 00:30:19,019 --> 00:30:22,012 It's a big shoe. Got a big chunk of foam on your 615 00:30:22,012 --> 00:30:24,298 heel, but it doesn't feel like that at all. 616 00:30:24,299 --> 00:30:26,983 I don't know if it's because the foam isn't super compressive 617 00:30:26,983 --> 00:30:30,520 when you land on it. It's just super responsive, 618 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,199 really bouncy. Uh, like the Superblast. 619 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,358 I feel like I can run almost any pace in this. 620 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:40,724 It's not quite as comfortable at easy pace as the Super Blast is, 621 00:30:40,724 --> 00:30:44,409 um, or the Novablast is, but there's no, there are more, 622 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:47,759 fewer fun, more fun shoes than this one for me. 623 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,118 And I would definitely race in this one. 624 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,659 I think if I was going to run, I'm in no shape, 2.5 marathon. 625 00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:58,205 But if I was going to, I think that would probably be the shoe 626 00:30:58,205 --> 00:31:01,747 I would pick because I trust it to not feel bad, you know, 10 627 00:31:01,747 --> 00:31:04,411 miles into the race. Um, and it's one that, you know, 628 00:31:04,411 --> 00:31:07,948 I can tell I like a shoe and I have to like convince myself not 629 00:31:07,948 --> 00:31:11,165 to run in it every day. It's like, no, BJ, you just ran 630 00:31:11,165 --> 00:31:13,259 the Megablasts yesterday. Leave it, save it for later. 631 00:31:13,259 --> 00:31:16,679 It's just great. And it's expensive. 632 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,463 It's what, like 225 bucks, but I would, I'm definitely buying 633 00:31:19,463 --> 00:31:22,487 another pair, if this one ever dies, I've barely been able to 634 00:31:22,487 --> 00:31:26,015 put a dent in the outsole, you can see, and I've got 150 miles 635 00:31:26,015 --> 00:31:27,809 on it. So I'm definitely buying another 636 00:31:27,809 --> 00:31:30,899 pair of version 3 doesn't come out before I kill this one. 637 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,965 It's awesome. worth every penny. Yeah, I would say ASICS has done 638 00:31:34,965 --> 00:31:37,259 a great job with the durability of their rubbers. 639 00:31:37,259 --> 00:31:40,575 I feel like I can't make a dent in them and that extends into 640 00:31:40,575 --> 00:31:43,238 the super shoes too. I feel like I run and I run and 641 00:31:43,238 --> 00:31:44,759 I run and that things just stay there. 642 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,657 And I'm like, it doesn't look like I put 200 miles on this 643 00:31:47,657 --> 00:31:48,778 thing. Like, what the heck? 644 00:31:48,779 --> 00:31:50,999 Like, and the group is super good too. 645 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,689 I run in the rain in the Megablasts a bunch and I don't 646 00:31:53,689 --> 00:31:55,199 slip it all in it. It's awesome. 647 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,838 Yeah, so I'm a big fan of that one as well. 648 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,679 That's not my number three, but we'll extend into that one. 649 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,632 My next one too. I think this is an interesting 650 00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:08,492 step in the generation of super trainers and kind of what it 651 00:32:08,492 --> 00:32:10,739 means to be a maximum cushion trainer. 652 00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:14,036 And this is this might be a shock to some people, and it's 653 00:32:14,036 --> 00:32:17,072 been a little bit of a polarizing shoe, I feel like, on 654 00:32:17,072 --> 00:32:19,961 our team. You might know where I'm going 655 00:32:19,961 --> 00:32:24,323 with this, but this is the Saucony Triumph 24, my number 656 00:32:24,323 --> 00:32:25,162 three. Nice. 657 00:32:25,162 --> 00:32:29,578 I think it is a huge, huge win for Saucony. 658 00:32:29,579 --> 00:32:31,798 I know I'm not the only person out there. 659 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,838 I've seen you want to hyping this thing up too. 660 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:37,798 Yep. It's an ATPU-based midsole. 661 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,840 PWRRUN Lux, not PWRRUN. It's a different property of 662 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,332 ATPU, but super soft, super compliant, very lightweight, and 663 00:32:45,332 --> 00:32:49,592 it's actually got a pretty healthy amount of bounce to it 664 00:32:49,592 --> 00:32:51,719 too. It's like, you've got this shoe. 665 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,427 I think it's right around 43 millimeters, and it's like it's 666 00:32:55,427 --> 00:32:59,807 sub 9 ounces, and it's like a super plush and soft upper, like 667 00:32:59,807 --> 00:33:02,159 it's what a premium trainer should be. 668 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,919 Right? And it feels like Saucony took 669 00:33:04,919 --> 00:33:08,159 that step and made like, Oh no, these are our nice materials. 670 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,379 This is like, and it is a training shoe. 671 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:14,414 It's not a super shoe, right? Like, this is a shoe that is 672 00:33:14,414 --> 00:33:16,259 lightweight. It's really cushioned, it's 673 00:33:16,259 --> 00:33:19,318 plush all the way around. You have good materials. 674 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,696 You have good durability on the outsole and a surprising amount 675 00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:24,538 of responsiveness coming off of it. 676 00:33:24,539 --> 00:33:27,919 I think it's one of the better options that are out there in 677 00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:29,219 the maximum cushioned category now. 678 00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:31,789 And is there some recency bias there? 679 00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:35,824 Sure, but like, I think there's a step forward, a noticeable 680 00:33:35,824 --> 00:33:39,850 step forward in the materials, whether it be from like, let's 681 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:42,778 say, EVA, to TPU, to PEBA, to ATPU. 682 00:33:42,779 --> 00:33:46,223 And obviously we know that there is a blend of all of these 683 00:33:46,223 --> 00:33:49,127 things and it's not just a pure one-to-one material like, oh, 684 00:33:49,127 --> 00:33:51,239 it's this material, therefore the shoe is better. 685 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,830 But I think it's a great way to show off or showcase how you can 686 00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:59,194 use a newer generation foam and put it in something that's 687 00:33:59,194 --> 00:34:02,330 functional at not going fast. Um, because a lot of times these 688 00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:04,400 new materials go into the performance lineups and they're 689 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,930 in the super shoes. And then they try and figure out 690 00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:10,608 a way to put it into a training shoe and it kind of works and it 691 00:34:10,608 --> 00:34:12,898 kind of doesn't, and there's a little bit of tweaking. 692 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:14,458 But this thing is full PWRRUN Lux. 693 00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:16,138 And I think they did a great job. 694 00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:19,498 You know, I don't know if it's going to get trainer of the year 695 00:34:19,498 --> 00:34:22,619 for me personally, but I think it is definitely going to be in 696 00:34:22,619 --> 00:34:25,259 the running for an honorable mention down the line for that. 697 00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:29,098 if it doesn't win something. So, the Triumph 24. 698 00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:32,481 I'm a huge fan. I think it's a great option out 699 00:34:32,481 --> 00:34:36,831 there for people who really like soft options and they want soft 700 00:34:36,831 --> 00:34:39,358 and lightweight, right? Soft, lightweight plush. 701 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,018 It does check those boxes. You're like describing my 702 00:34:43,018 --> 00:34:44,938 perfect shoe. I think I need to go buy it. 703 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:48,358 Yeah, I didn't get that one sent, so I need to go buy it. 704 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,324 Yeah, it's like one of those ones like, it's so funny because 705 00:34:51,324 --> 00:34:53,793 we talk about this in our internal chat where sometimes 706 00:34:53,793 --> 00:34:56,998 you put a shoe on and you're like, yeah, it's a BJ shoe. 707 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,718 You're like, you know who's going to like it? 708 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,398 And you had said this about that. 709 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,618 That was the Deviate Pure. I put the Deviate Pure on. 710 00:35:04,619 --> 00:35:07,104 I ran like half a mile and I was like, oh, this is a David shoe, 711 00:35:07,104 --> 00:35:09,118 100%. Yeah, and 1000%. 712 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:10,558 I love that shoe. I think it's great. 713 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,018 We'll see if it gets an award later in the year. 714 00:35:13,019 --> 00:35:15,710 There's a couple other shoes I really like as well that are 715 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:17,278 going directly head to head with that. 716 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,895 Friend of the pod. Kofuzi already said it was. the 717 00:35:19,895 --> 00:35:23,669 shoe of the year. I like the Endorphin Azura a lot 718 00:35:23,669 --> 00:35:26,729 too. Oh, man, they're so it's like, 719 00:35:26,729 --> 00:35:28,879 it's close. I just got to get more miles on 720 00:35:28,879 --> 00:35:30,684 it. There's a couple other shoes out 721 00:35:30,684 --> 00:35:31,649 there. Yeah. 722 00:35:31,649 --> 00:35:33,804 Yeah. I think we're seeing like the 723 00:35:33,804 --> 00:35:35,998 innovation come to fruition now where like it's coming. 724 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,596 Yeah. Well, when you were talking 725 00:35:37,596 --> 00:35:39,718 before that it made me think of this. 726 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,042 Like, I think that's been one of the big steps for the past year 727 00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:47,634 or so, shoes is they're finally, finally. figuring out a way to 728 00:35:47,634 --> 00:35:50,210 get the train, they're the racing phones into training 729 00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:53,928 shoes in an effective way that can work for a lot of people 730 00:35:53,928 --> 00:35:57,360 because I, and I think that's what's making all these shoes so 731 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,792 great and making their be so many great shoes out there right 732 00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,638 now. Yeah. 733 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:06,178 And then that puts us on to our number two. correct? 734 00:36:06,179 --> 00:36:08,098 We only got 2 more. Yeah. 735 00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:10,524 Only 2 more. Okay, this is where I'll throw 736 00:36:10,524 --> 00:36:13,463 in my honorable mention. Um, I, I still feel conflicted 737 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:17,219 about not putting this on the list because it feels like it 738 00:36:17,219 --> 00:36:21,288 needs to be on the list, just out of principle, but I can't 739 00:36:21,288 --> 00:36:24,418 make up my mind on how I feel about it. 740 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:26,278 Even though I've had it for a really long time. 741 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,918 That's the Nike Vomero Premium. Oh, yeah. 742 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,818 Got the all black and green one. I mean, this true is ridiculous. 743 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:36,778 It is the biggest shoe. You can buy. 744 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:40,018 I mean, it's bigger than the Prime X strong, I think. 745 00:36:40,019 --> 00:36:44,818 Uh, it was like 55, 55, 55, 55? Yep. 746 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:48,402 It's crazy. And it runs exactly like it 747 00:36:48,402 --> 00:36:50,933 looks. It looks like you're running on, 748 00:36:50,933 --> 00:36:53,878 you know, a marshmallowy tramp marshmallow covered trampoline. 749 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,138 Uh, but something about it makes it just not quite work for me. 750 00:36:58,139 --> 00:37:03,164 I don't know if it's like the upper or just how tall it is or 751 00:37:03,164 --> 00:37:06,506 something, but it feels a little overly fatiguing sometimes, but 752 00:37:06,506 --> 00:37:09,178 then I'll have other runs that feel amazing. 753 00:37:09,179 --> 00:37:12,178 So, for that reason, I had to knock it from it with. 754 00:37:12,179 --> 00:37:16,354 But, uh, keeping it in the Saucony family, recency bias, 755 00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:21,358 still being a thing, the Saucony Paramount Max is my number two. 756 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,538 Uh, this thing, like the Vomero Premium, is just the definition 757 00:37:26,538 --> 00:37:29,320 of thick. I mean, 3 C's at the end of 758 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,158 thick on this one. Look how big the platform is. 759 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:35,249 It's ridiculous. It's bulbous coming out the 760 00:37:35,249 --> 00:37:39,065 sides, but it doesn't run like it's this much film, at least 761 00:37:39,065 --> 00:37:41,207 not for me. I know other people have had 762 00:37:41,207 --> 00:37:43,868 some trouble with it. Uh, this one too, like the 763 00:37:43,868 --> 00:37:46,978 triumph has been a very polarizing shoe on our team. 764 00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:49,919 Andrea can't stand this thing. She says it's running on like a 765 00:37:49,919 --> 00:37:52,992 like on a Bosu ball, which I'm like, yay, sign me up. sounds 766 00:37:52,992 --> 00:37:55,764 like so much fun. So it's just super soft, super 767 00:37:55,764 --> 00:37:59,772 squishy, ton of bounce at the same time, and it's, you know, 768 00:37:59,772 --> 00:38:04,105 on the heavier side of things, but it doesn't feel like that at 769 00:38:04,105 --> 00:38:06,552 all. I can not like pick up the pace 770 00:38:06,552 --> 00:38:09,984 in it, but I'll catch myself running faster than I think I am 771 00:38:09,984 --> 00:38:13,416 when I'm running in the shoe, which is a sign that it's, you 772 00:38:13,416 --> 00:38:17,448 know, a good shoe for me. I think I've got 50 or so miles 773 00:38:17,448 --> 00:38:19,961 on mine. I haven't done anything long in 774 00:38:19,961 --> 00:38:21,918 this. I think the longest run I've had 775 00:38:21,918 --> 00:38:24,721 over the past few months has been an hour, but I'm easily 776 00:38:24,721 --> 00:38:26,818 going to put a ton of miles on those. 777 00:38:26,820 --> 00:38:30,031 And they're, I mean, there's a ton of outsole rubber on this 778 00:38:30,031 --> 00:38:31,798 thing. So it's never going to die. 779 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,262 It's never going to beat up. Just endless amounts of squish 780 00:38:35,262 --> 00:38:38,220 and foam. I don't think I could like other 781 00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:40,198 than the, you know, design of it. 782 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,473 I don't think I could make a max cushion shoe that would be, you 783 00:38:43,473 --> 00:38:47,339 know, more max than this. Vomero Premium. 784 00:38:47,339 --> 00:38:50,578 Number two. Right? 785 00:38:50,579 --> 00:38:53,724 That that exactly. That's my conflict is like, come 786 00:38:53,724 --> 00:38:55,596 on. You can't make a shoe more max 787 00:38:55,596 --> 00:38:58,550 than the Vomira premium, but I just I don't love enough to put 788 00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:00,478 it on the list. I gotcha. 789 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,974 I think it's so interesting. You brought those 2 up because 790 00:39:03,974 --> 00:39:08,290 in my mind, the 2 most similar shoes or the most similar shoes, 791 00:39:08,290 --> 00:39:11,278 the Vomero Premium is the Paramount Max to me. 792 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,766 And it's that max bounce, right? You get a huge balance out of 793 00:39:16,766 --> 00:39:19,307 that foam. But at the same time, it's not 794 00:39:19,307 --> 00:39:22,398 the type of balance that you necessarily want to run fast 795 00:39:22,398 --> 00:39:24,689 either. Like you kind of just fall into 796 00:39:24,689 --> 00:39:26,698 rhythm with the geometry of the shoe. 797 00:39:26,699 --> 00:39:30,305 And I think the Vomero Premium. I'm glad that you brought it up 798 00:39:30,305 --> 00:39:33,598 because it has no business being as stable as it is either. 799 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,954 When you go that high up with that soft of materials and that 800 00:39:37,954 --> 00:39:41,638 giant air zoom units, like that thing should feel like stilts. 801 00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,598 And to be fair, the Pegasus Premium did feel like stilts. 802 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,888 It was like, Oh man, I don't know if I can really like 803 00:39:48,888 --> 00:39:51,418 realistically do my training miles in this, but I appreciate 804 00:39:51,418 --> 00:39:55,078 it from a lifestyle standpoint. But the Vomero Premium. 805 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,866 It looks crazy. It is crazy, but it doesn't feel 806 00:39:58,866 --> 00:40:01,662 unstable. Super wide base underfoot, well 807 00:40:01,662 --> 00:40:04,438 done rocker. The thing for me was the weight. 808 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,411 I felt like it was a heavier shoe and like all of that had to 809 00:40:08,411 --> 00:40:10,259 come with the cost of something, right? 810 00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:13,274 But it came with a good rocker, a really big bounce. 811 00:40:13,274 --> 00:40:16,836 And then I felt like my foot would just like fall the next 812 00:40:16,836 --> 00:40:19,028 step. And like, that would like get me 813 00:40:19,028 --> 00:40:22,852 into rhythm with the shoe, but I felt like I was laboring in a 814 00:40:22,852 --> 00:40:24,830 weird way. Like my step wasn't laboring, 815 00:40:24,830 --> 00:40:27,973 but like controlling my foot when it went forward and fell, 816 00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:31,393 falling in front of me, like my hamstrings would get a little 817 00:40:31,393 --> 00:40:33,959 tired. So, I don't know, the Vomera 818 00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,238 premium, that gave me that sensation. 819 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,869 The Paramount Max gave me that sensation, but in a lighter 820 00:40:39,869 --> 00:40:43,081 offering. So, um, they yeah, they both are 821 00:40:43,081 --> 00:40:45,958 similar shoes to me in that regard. 822 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,536 With a very premium, like I can feel that I'm carrying around 823 00:40:49,536 --> 00:40:53,401 all 11 plus ounces of foam that it has, but the Paramount, I 824 00:40:53,401 --> 00:40:57,262 don't feel like I have a, you know, a bunch of foam strapped 825 00:40:57,262 --> 00:41:00,009 to the bottom of my foot at all. Yeah. 826 00:41:00,009 --> 00:41:04,078 It just moves. So we'll go on to my number two. 827 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,551 Now, my number two. There is a little bit of recency 828 00:41:06,551 --> 00:41:08,218 bias here again. I think we talked about this. 829 00:41:08,219 --> 00:41:09,778 I think materials are getting better. 830 00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:13,139 Integration is getting better. And they're just like Max 831 00:41:13,139 --> 00:41:16,918 Cushion got super popular, right, within the recent years. 832 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,604 So, I think there's going to be a natural shift toward more 833 00:41:20,604 --> 00:41:24,298 recent offerings in that way. But grabbing this one here. 834 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:28,438 This is the on cloud boom. Oh, my gosh. 835 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,078 No. No, it's not. 836 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,838 Not the club. I'm sorry. 837 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,898 Delete podcast. Everything's over. 838 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:38,459 Restart. We're doing this for a ninth 839 00:41:38,459 --> 00:41:39,298 take. Restart. 840 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:45,838 On Cloud Monster Hyper 3. I can't believe I just did that. 841 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,818 Like I've been gassing this show up for months. 842 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:49,438 Perfect Freudian slip. I like it. 843 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,498 Oh my gosh. Anyways, great. 844 00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:56,478 It's a huge example of how you could take a super foam, super 845 00:41:56,478 --> 00:41:59,538 nice premium material with the helion HF, but it encapsulated 846 00:41:59,538 --> 00:42:02,903 in something that is firmer, more stable, and gives you a 847 00:42:02,903 --> 00:42:05,038 little bit of guidance along the way. 848 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:09,458 The bevels done well. This is a shoe that feels very 849 00:42:09,458 --> 00:42:11,698 stable underfoot, but very cushioned underfoot. 850 00:42:11,699 --> 00:42:14,723 Like, this thing is a super trainer that you can just go 851 00:42:14,723 --> 00:42:17,400 hammer miles in. It's not the fastest shoe out 852 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,278 there, but for shuffling around and getting it done. 853 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,145 Like, this is a great option. And the upper 2 compared to the 854 00:42:24,145 --> 00:42:26,638 regular Cloud Monster, but also compared to other shoes. 855 00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,609 It's a little bit more of a thinner synthetic mash, it's 856 00:42:29,609 --> 00:42:30,538 breathable. It's lightweight. 857 00:42:30,539 --> 00:42:31,978 Like, this comes in under 10 ounces. 858 00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:34,510 It's in the nines. So, like for everything that's 859 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:38,360 going on here, this is actually a really, really good max 860 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,019 cushion shoe. This is a peak thick boy for 861 00:42:41,019 --> 00:42:43,132 this era. So we'll see if I'll be talking 862 00:42:43,132 --> 00:42:45,958 about it later in the year. But yeah, that's my number two. 863 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,418 So drum roll, we're coming up to number one. 864 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:51,048 Drum rule. Yeah, I've been waiting for your 865 00:42:51,048 --> 00:42:54,376 number one because BJ is like the probably the biggest fan of 866 00:42:54,376 --> 00:42:56,578 Max Cushion shoes on our team. I am. 867 00:42:56,579 --> 00:43:00,264 Out of the team, I want the softest shoe, the squishiest 868 00:43:00,264 --> 00:43:03,575 shoe. And I thought I was going to put 869 00:43:03,575 --> 00:43:08,249 Paramount Max at the top of my list, but I let nostalgia. take 870 00:43:08,249 --> 00:43:11,477 the cake on this one. So I've taken it back all the 871 00:43:11,477 --> 00:43:15,818 way to what I think was like the Genesis, the OG of this new 872 00:43:15,818 --> 00:43:19,228 generation of max cushion shoes, and that's the New Balance SC 873 00:43:19,228 --> 00:43:21,238 Trainer version one. Ooh, I like the pick. 874 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,318 From when was that? 2021, 22? 875 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,118 Something like that. It was after COVID. 876 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,478 Yeah, something like that. I remember we had New Balance on 877 00:43:31,478 --> 00:43:35,550 the podcast at the time to talk about it, and when they were 878 00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:39,306 talking about it, I was like, that is, that's the shoe that 879 00:43:39,306 --> 00:43:41,639 I've been dreaming of. Like, that's the shoe that I 880 00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,028 want. Take a ton of race foam or race 881 00:43:44,028 --> 00:43:47,338 adjacent foam, put a plate in it and make it for training. 882 00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:50,530 That's genius. Why hasn't anybody done that 883 00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:52,804 yet? And they made like, for me, the 884 00:43:52,804 --> 00:43:55,138 exact shoe that I wanted at the time? 885 00:43:55,139 --> 00:43:59,338 So it was like 47 millimeters in the heel, 39 in the forefoot. 886 00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:02,604 You know, at 39, that's taller than almost every shoe out there 887 00:44:02,604 --> 00:44:03,975 at the time. Um... 888 00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:07,858 Yeah, it's like higher than most heels. 889 00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:08,998 Right. It's crazy. 890 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,867 Right. It weighed a bunch, but like we 891 00:44:11,867 --> 00:44:14,396 were talking about with Paramount Max, I didn't notice 892 00:44:14,396 --> 00:44:17,528 it at all. It was just smooth, had a really 893 00:44:17,528 --> 00:44:21,124 good heel bevel on it, really good toe spring and rocker, 894 00:44:21,124 --> 00:44:24,058 thick carbon plate that didn't bend hardly at all. 895 00:44:24,059 --> 00:44:27,358 So it was one of those shoes that like ran for me. 896 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,398 Like, I didn't feel like I had to put any effort into it. 897 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,040 It just went, set it and forget it. 898 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,660 And I could run any pace in it from like my slowest, most sore 899 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:40,620 recovery days after long run to running fart licks or like a 900 00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:43,378 long run with pace. It was just so great. 901 00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:48,531 I think I put 400 miles in one pair in like 300 and another 902 00:44:48,531 --> 00:44:50,878 pair. It was so much fun. 903 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,370 I really hope they resurrect that shoe, um, because what, 904 00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:58,558 they haven't updated version 3 in like, it's been a while now. 905 00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:00,254 Something like that. I know they got another one 906 00:45:00,254 --> 00:45:02,923 coming out. I don't have any details on it, 907 00:45:02,923 --> 00:45:06,567 but I hope that they resurrected because that one's my all-time 908 00:45:06,567 --> 00:45:08,338 favorite. I love version 2 as well. 909 00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:12,862 Put a ton of miles in that one, but version one, that was like 910 00:45:12,862 --> 00:45:16,738 the king of Max Cushion shoe for me and has stayed there. 911 00:45:16,739 --> 00:45:19,679 I don't think I've ever I don't think I put any more miles on a 912 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,198 shoe than I have with that one. And for that reason alone. 913 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,178 It's got take the cake. There you go. 914 00:45:24,179 --> 00:45:26,130 I like it. I think it deserves a mention 915 00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:28,318 for sure. Not on my list. 916 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,692 It's not my number one. I had a hard time with that 917 00:45:30,692 --> 00:45:32,777 shoe, actually. Um, but I could appreciate what 918 00:45:32,777 --> 00:45:36,730 they were doing, you know, and I felt like at the time it was 919 00:45:36,730 --> 00:45:39,726 something that was pivotal. My favorite of that lineage 920 00:45:39,726 --> 00:45:42,702 would have been three. I think I tend to like cushion, 921 00:45:42,702 --> 00:45:45,867 but I like it to be a little bit firmer and a little bit more 922 00:45:45,867 --> 00:45:48,095 manageable. See, and then version 3 was my 923 00:45:48,095 --> 00:45:49,978 least favorite one. Exactly. 924 00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:51,540 Yeah. And so like that's where like 925 00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:53,335 the triumph. I can really appreciate what 926 00:45:53,335 --> 00:45:57,045 they did, but it is soft, right? And I think for me, if I'm 927 00:45:57,045 --> 00:46:00,105 choosing like, you know, I don't know, I think king, like it's 928 00:46:00,105 --> 00:46:02,925 going to be the cloud. Oh my gosh, I'm going to say it 929 00:46:02,925 --> 00:46:05,878 again. Cloud Monster Hyper 3. 930 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,918 But it's not my number one. So what's my number one? 931 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,338 Oh, man, here we go. Hit me with it. 932 00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:16,858 The thick boy of the evening is the ASICS Megablast. 933 00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:20,470 Hey, let's go. Again, a lot of the things you 934 00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:22,558 said are the things that I love about it. 935 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:26,089 And the Turbo² midsole, ATPU based, but it's a firmer 936 00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:28,558 rendition, a little bit more training friendly. 937 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:33,480 It's snappy and bouncy, but it's not like mushy soft. that's what 938 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,644 I like about it. I tend to go away from mushy 939 00:46:36,644 --> 00:46:38,216 soft. I like to have a little bit of 940 00:46:38,216 --> 00:46:41,100 spring, but I want cushion. And I felt like the rocker was 941 00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:42,898 dialed in, well, traction was excellent. 942 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:45,058 Like, I felt like it stuck to everything I did. 943 00:46:45,059 --> 00:46:47,338 I haven't made a dent in this thing. 944 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:49,776 I don't know how many miles I have on it, but it doesn't even 945 00:46:49,776 --> 00:46:52,559 look like I ran in it. Like, look at that. like it 946 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,858 looks pretty darn good. If I hold that up. 947 00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:58,680 Yeah, it's it's crazy. Um, and there's been 20 milers 948 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,019 in this thing. Like... 949 00:47:00,019 --> 00:47:03,916 I showed in my heel. I scuff my heel a little bit on 950 00:47:03,916 --> 00:47:05,055 the medial side. There you go. 951 00:47:05,055 --> 00:47:06,898 That's definitely where I show some of the wear. 952 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:10,620 But it's held up really well. It's a thin, like just synthetic 953 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:13,318 mesh, a little bit more of a performance oriented feel. 954 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,078 You have kind of the, um, what do we call this? 955 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,198 So comfortable for me, though. I've never had any trouble with 956 00:47:18,198 --> 00:47:21,007 the pepper on that one. And I like slightly lower volume 957 00:47:21,007 --> 00:47:22,963 too. You know, I know some people 958 00:47:22,963 --> 00:47:26,841 felt like it was a little too close or too snug, but I liked 959 00:47:26,841 --> 00:47:28,487 it. I liked it a lot, and it's one 960 00:47:28,487 --> 00:47:30,868 of those shoes where I could go running and forget that I had a 961 00:47:30,868 --> 00:47:33,078 shoe on my foot where it feels like it's kind of running for 962 00:47:33,078 --> 00:47:35,618 me, right? And I felt like I could kind of 963 00:47:35,618 --> 00:47:39,454 turn the pace up a little bit as well in this shoe where it 964 00:47:39,454 --> 00:47:41,098 wasn't exclusive to just running easy. 965 00:47:41,099 --> 00:47:45,658 And that's where like the Cloud Monster Hyper 3. 966 00:47:45,659 --> 00:47:48,718 Like that one, I feel like I can't go quite as fast in. but 967 00:47:48,718 --> 00:47:51,098 it's really nice and stable, where like, this is probably 968 00:47:51,098 --> 00:47:54,192 just a little bit less stable, but still one of the more stable 969 00:47:54,192 --> 00:47:55,618 options in the max cushion category. 970 00:47:55,619 --> 00:47:58,738 Definitely Um, but it can go a little bit faster. 971 00:47:58,739 --> 00:48:00,999 It's a little bit lighter. It still grips really well. 972 00:48:00,999 --> 00:48:04,639 And it's just a long run king, like this thing has been one of 973 00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,498 the top options in the long run category for me, period. 974 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:09,718 I might still be my number one long run shoe. 975 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,217 Yeah, same for me. Yeah, and like for me, the 976 00:48:13,217 --> 00:48:15,058 Superblast 2 was kind of that shoe. 977 00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:19,077 Super Blast one and 2 where like the Turbo Plus, it was a little 978 00:48:19,077 --> 00:48:21,658 firmer, but it still had some responsiveness to it. 979 00:48:21,659 --> 00:48:25,078 It was still light. Superblast 3 moved away from it. 980 00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,962 I can see why they did it, especially once the Megablast 981 00:48:27,962 --> 00:48:30,058 released and everything kind of came full circle. 982 00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:36,577 But, It changed the experience for me in a way where it wasn't 983 00:48:36,577 --> 00:48:38,158 bad. I still really liked it. 984 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:41,477 I wouldn't have run 20 plus miles in it if I didn't like it, 985 00:48:41,477 --> 00:48:44,550 but I just didn't quite feel like I got the snappiness out of 986 00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:46,438 it as I could get in the Megablast. 987 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,116 And so if I'm choosing one of the blast lineups to make this 988 00:48:50,116 --> 00:48:52,003 list. Today, it is the ASICS Megablast 989 00:48:52,003 --> 00:48:55,218 at my number one spot. So there's haters out there go 990 00:48:55,218 --> 00:48:57,718 ahead and hate, but that's my number one. 991 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,680 I'm with you. Easily could have taken number 992 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,347 one on my list. Like I said, I've run more in 993 00:49:03,347 --> 00:49:05,998 that shoe of the past year than I have any other shoe. 994 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,842 So it's great. Yeah, well, I want to thank you 995 00:49:09,842 --> 00:49:13,293 for coming on this and ahead and helping with some of the tech 996 00:49:13,293 --> 00:49:13,978 support. We did it. 997 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:15,238 We did it. We survived. 998 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,058 Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. 999 00:49:18,059 --> 00:49:20,759 Like, it is almost 10 o'clock where BJ lives right now. 1000 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,826 We've been like, this has been a grind getting this recording 1001 00:49:24,826 --> 00:49:27,778 done for y'all, so hopefully y'all appreciate it. 1002 00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:31,302 But we'll close it out. You know, thank you guys for 1003 00:49:31,302 --> 00:49:33,345 watching and listening. If you guys are listening, like 1004 00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:35,842 you can catch us on all the major podcast platforms wherever 1005 00:49:35,842 --> 00:49:38,338 you listen to your podcast, you can watch this on YouTube. 1006 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:41,345 It will be coming out. Please follow us on our social 1007 00:49:41,345 --> 00:49:43,798 channels, whether it be Instagram, Facebook, whatever. 1008 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,066 LinkedIn we got LinkedIn. Um, and you guys can check us 1009 00:49:47,066 --> 00:49:48,598 out there. But again, thank you so much. 1010 00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,120 We do appreciate it. You can check out the DOR rabbit 1011 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,678 collab and everything else there as well. 1012 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,718 Again, if you're listening to it, last day. 1013 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,298 So go ahead and put that order in right now. 1014 00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,158 But yeah, we'll sign off for the evening. 1015 00:49:59,159 --> 00:49:59,219 Thank you guys again.