1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,720 Welcome to the Doctors Running podcast where we, a group of 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,160 doctors for physical therapy, discussed the art and science of 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,160 running and the stuff that we put on our feet. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,640 I am here with Doctor Matthew Klein and I'm Nathan Brown. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,240 I'll be hosting and we are making up everybody at the round 6 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,920 table today. It was going to be three of us 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,160 until about 15 minutes ago, Doctor David Salas, he had some 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,120 Internet problems and it just shut down and his service 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,600 provider is not sending Internet to his house at this moment. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,440 So here you are stuck with Matt and I. 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,920 But we are going to stick to the plan for what we're going to do 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,560 tonight. It will be look a little bit 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,080 different and we will roll out some answers from David. 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:53,880 And we're going to do with the fact that we are as of today, 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,120 it's January 2nd. We are halfway through 2024. 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,840 And every year when we get halfway through, we love to go 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,280 back, back and think through the shoes that came out so far in 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,920 2024 and talk about which ones are our favorite so far for this 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,640 year. So today Matt and I are going to 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,000 go through ours. We'll get your, we'll get David 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,520 and Andreas opinions on their shoes to you in some way, shape 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 or form in the future. Knowing that we are taking a 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,800 little bit of a pivot today, but along those veins, I want to 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,160 hear from you and we want to hear your perspective. 25 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:28,600 So the subjective of the day is what has been your favorite shoe 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,640 so far of 2024? And So what the categories that 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,040 we are going to be covering today are your daily trainers. 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,920 Those shoes are going to eat up most of your miles. 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,560 We're going to talk about Max stack shoes. 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Some like super trainers would fall into that realm as well. 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,160 And then the third category that we are going to talk about are 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,400 kind of the lightweight and performance trainers. 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,000 So we got 3 categories we're going to cover and then we'll go 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,520 from there. But before we jump into the 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,120 specific categories, I do want to revisit something that we 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,040 talked about in a previous episode, Matt. 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,400 And we were talking about the definition of super trainers and 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,720 what shoes count as super trainers and which ones don't. 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,759 And one of the shoes we talked about being a super trainer was 40 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:13,440 the Neo Vista from Mizuno. And if you've been tracking what 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,200 we're what's been going on here, Matt's jaw dropped to the floor 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,560 when they were talking to Mizuno about the technical elements of 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,400 that shoe development and what the midsole properties are. 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,360 And in our initial conversation, Matt was pretty staunch on the 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,360 fact that a super trainer needed to be of a certain stack height 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,520 over 4040mm and it had to have a Piba Piba based midsole. 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Then he's on the phone with Mizuno and they're telling him 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,560 that it's probably some sort of super critical EBA and there's 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,920 an Eva based midsole in the Neo Vista in his jaw drops the floor 50 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,080 and he's like, I need to rethink my life. 51 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Not that extreme, but rethink his considerations for what 52 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,200 really constitutes a super trainer. 53 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,160 So as you've thought about this, what what do you think about 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,880 now? Has it changed? 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,560 Do you stick in the same category? 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,600 What are your thoughts on super trainers at this point? 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,560 Yeah, I'm going to be honest, I'm I'm pretty confused and 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,440 trying to figure out how to define these, especially as we 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 see things continue to evolve. Like, I mean, the Neo Vista 60 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,680 still fits a lot of those categories being the over 40mm. 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,520 There's a lot of foam under foot, regardless of whether it's 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,160 EV or P, but it's a very it's a very compliant and resilient 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,080 foam under foot. I'm getting close to 100 miles, 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,440 so I'll have 100 mile review soon, maybe even before this 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,880 episode comes out. But very bouncy under foot, very 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,360 soft. Lot of those kind of super shoe 67 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,880 S component. There's a there's a fiberglass 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,120 plate in there, but not all super trenders, I think 69 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,840 necessarily need it. Just a stiffening agent. 70 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,280 But I'm confused now because, you know, I was saying, oh, like 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 the the cloud monster hyper isn't one because it's not over 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,080 40mm, but it's got a super foam in there. 73 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,840 The New Balance SC trainer version 2, even though it does 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,200 technically have like that bouncy foam a plate, it's not 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,400 over 40. The neo Vista made me kind of 76 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,600 look at this and go, you know what I I think the 77 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,720 differentiating factor that we're calling these things super 78 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,920 trainers should be, yes, they had super shoe qualities in a 79 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,200 shoe really meant for training. But then you start getting the 80 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,120 challenge of like this. The new Saucony triumph has full 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,920 length super foam in it, like true, like power run PB, but it 82 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:25,280 doesn't have a place like where, where is this? 83 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:28,440 So I'm I'm still trying to work through how to find these, but I 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,480 think I'm defining these as it has all the components that we 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,280 would normally associate with a super racing shoe, but it is 86 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,240 meant for daily, it has more of that daily training component. 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,320 Things are tuned more for that, but. 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Yeah, I, I think I personally, I also think I landed a similar 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,000 spot that I was at before And I, you know, I could be misquoting 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,880 myself and misremembering how I, how I spoke about this. 91 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,160 But when we first start talking about what we say super shoes 92 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,680 are or advanced footwear technology within shoes, there's 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,440 a pretty clear delineation for what that means. 94 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,800 It actually means that the shoe provides improved running 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,440 economy when you run in the shoe. 96 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,720 And that if we take it down to like a scientific level, if the 97 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,680 shoe is able to provide improved running economy for a majority 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,760 of people, that's going to fall into the category of advanced 99 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,920 footwear technology and super shoes because it actually 100 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,240 provides some definable benefit. What I don't think exists 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,440 publicly right now is what is that physiological benefit that 102 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,480 super trainers are giving us? I think that super trainers 103 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,800 potentially are a made-up constructed idea that takes 104 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,040 these components of Max maximalism and take some fancy 105 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,000 foams and throws them into a, a shoe that has more, you know, 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,440 rubber on the outside in a thicker upper so that you can 107 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,360 train in it more. But it doesn't necessarily have 108 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,920 anything proven to have a certain physiological benefit. 109 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,880 I think that that's a possibility that it's kind of 110 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,880 just this, I, I don't want to go so far to say it's just a 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,120 marketing strategy, but I do think that there's, I have, the 112 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,560 question is, what's the physiological benefit that we're 113 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,960 getting? So I said publicly on purpose, 114 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,080 because we've had conversations with companies, one of them 115 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,000 being a little bit more public, which was Saucony about the 116 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,840 Kinvara Pro where they conveyed the running economy of the 117 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:28,080 Kinvara Pro at slower paces to their Endorphin Pro 3, I believe 118 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,400 at slower paces. And they showed the same running 119 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,080 economy benefit as compared to their control shoe, which was 120 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,960 their regular Kinvara, if I'm remembering correctly. 121 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Saucony team call. Call us out. 122 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Yeah, I think it was at running, Yeah. 123 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,320 No, I think it was you're, you're on the right track. 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,800 I think it was at like like recreational like like sub 125 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,480 maximal running paces, easy paces, yes. 126 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,480 Easy pace, Yeah, yes, at easy paces. 127 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,520 And so in that sense, they're showing there is AI think in 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,480 their internal testing. And they said this on our 129 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,560 podcast that there was a one or so percent benefit from a 130 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,800 running economy perspective at those easy paces. 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,960 There's been other internal conversations regarding 132 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,720 different types of benefits regarding the amount of fatigue 133 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,960 someone goes through or the ability to recover quicker 134 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,680 because you have less fatigue. But on a large scale, those 135 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,720 things haven't been shown yet. So for me, if something's going 136 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,920 to be called a super trainer, I want to know what that actual 137 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,280 physiological benefit is. Once we know that there is a 138 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,480 benefit, an actual benefit to these things, then I'm ready to 139 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,040 say they're actually valuable and worth like pursuing 140 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,960 excellence within that besides giving just a lovely running 141 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,480 experience because some of them are certainly fun to run in. 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,560 So that's kind of where my brain falls with the whole super 143 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,120 trainer thing. But from a foam perspective, I 144 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440 think the other thing I said is I don't necessarily care if it's 145 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,040 specifically PBA, but but if it has similar compliance and 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 resilience metrics, if you haven't already, you should go 147 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,120 back and listen to Doctor Jeff Burns. 148 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,360 He came on our podcast and talked about these concepts. 149 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,960 That's where I think the what matters more because you could 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,160 have a really wonderful super critical Eva that has these 151 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,840 compliance and resilience factors that might mirror some 152 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,520 other Piva based things because there's Piva that mean that's 153 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,320 pretty useless when it comes to performance and there's Piva 154 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,040 that's really great when it comes to performance. 155 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,440 So I think it's more about the properties than it is the 156 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,320 specific resin that it's coming from. 157 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,680 But that's that's kind of where I'm at. 158 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,480 I would definitely agree, and I think that's the big thing that 159 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,640 I'm taking from this is that we now have to move away from being 160 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,039 stuck on phones is that now we're getting enough to see, 161 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 hey, there are some Piva foams that are really not that great 162 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,480 and don't feel that they again, that's just a word. 163 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,360 OK, that doesn't that it's, it's a reference to a chemical 164 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,600 structure. But I think what's really 165 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,960 important is talking about how, and this is going to be 166 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,440 different for every single person. 167 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Like example, I know not necessarily a super trainer, but 168 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,240 you and I had very different experiences with the, with the 169 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,000 power and PB and the tram 22. I felt like it was firmer than I 170 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,280 would have expected for that much foam. 171 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:00,760 And you were like, this is the softest. 172 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,800 I've loved like soft issue kind of thing. 173 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,000 So it's trying to define the combination of what are the, the 174 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,560 foam characteristics under foot like resiliency and compliance. 175 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,080 And then also how are you responding to it? 176 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,320 So that's now things are more complicated and that's I guess 177 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,560 kind of where we should have expected things to go is it's 178 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,560 not just, oh, this is the only foam, but people are going to 179 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,440 figure out how to continue to expand. 180 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Like expand is not, not not to like to have a pun there, but to 181 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,800 expand these films and evolve them. 182 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,040 So it's not surprising that Eva is able to be utilized in this 183 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,680 way. It's just a chemical property. 184 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,080 Doesn't mean you can't do interesting things with it. 185 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,000 And the other thing that you brought up is it's got to show 186 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,760 some kind of benefit. And it's not just the foam, it's 187 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,000 the interaction of all the materials together, which is 188 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,560 what I pulled from the Mizuno stuff. 189 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,280 I was like, yeah, how they design their plate, where they 190 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,720 they let it bend, where they, all this stuff was designed 191 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,360 specifically to provide that experience with the foam. 192 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,240 So it's back to how does the entire shoe work together, not 193 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,480 just one piece? Cool. 194 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:06,360 Well thanks for revisiting that. I thought it was fun because 195 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,960 people have been, I mean, all in good fun. 196 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,040 I think we have a great relationship with the people who 197 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,040 follow what we're doing. All in good fun. 198 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Poking at you, saying, Matt, what do you think? 199 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Now? What's this whole super trainer 200 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,160 thing? So we had to go. 201 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,400 We had to revisit it. It also helps my facial 202 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,040 expressions. During that podcast with Mizuno, 203 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,800 it was just like, I don't hide things at all. 204 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,000 Like it's very you can tell what's going on inside my head. 205 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,040 Totally. OK, so we are going to jump into 206 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,880 the actual topic for the day, which is our favorite shoes so 207 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,880 far of 2024. And we're going to use the term 208 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,040 favorite throughout this because it's our personal favorites, the 209 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,120 things that we are loving to run in so far. 210 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,280 So let's start in the daily trainer category. 211 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,600 We're going to talk about up until the first half of 2024. 212 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,000 What are your favorite daily trainers? 213 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Why don't you give us a couple anywhere from 1:00 to 3:00 that 214 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,600 you've been really enjoying? So one of the top ones for me is 215 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,640 someone who needs some stability has continue to be the Saucony 216 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,360 Guide 17. I got about 150 miles on my 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,600 pair. I just really love how this 218 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,440 feels that it's still lighter. It's got all those great kind of 219 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,760 guidance concepts. It took me a little bit to 220 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,760 figure this shoe out, but once I did, I've really enjoyed how 221 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,000 unobtrusive it is and has this nice wide stable base. 222 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,240 Kind of all the stuff that we've talked about from a stability as 223 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,520 well as the stable neutral concept. 224 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,200 Although it is a stability shoe based on how things are going, 225 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,600 may not be enough if you need kind of a higher Archer posted 226 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,400 shoe, but it's just been a really great shoe. 227 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,680 It's also been fairly durable. This is my left one at 150 228 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:34,880 miles. So it's doing pretty good, 229 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,200 right. So durability is there. 230 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,040 The lightweight, just feeling like like that borderline 231 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,280 lightweight trainer, but still a training shoe, higher stack and 232 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,600 a really great fit has been something that's definitely been 233 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,080 on my feet quite a bit and something I've really, really, 234 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,000 really enjoyed. What other ones you got? 235 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,560 Oh, do you want to just have me go through? 236 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:52,960 My go through yours all. Right. 237 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Yeah. All right, So another surprise 238 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,920 one, and I mean this in the most loving way possible. 239 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,760 The New Balance 880 version 14 has been my favorite boring shoe 240 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,520 of the year. And I mean that in the best way. 241 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,960 Pot like it's not only boy, it's eight. 242 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,000 If this is now the lightest, I think I think it beats the 243 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,920 Cumulus 26. It's the lightest of the the 244 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,760 standard neutral daily trainers. New Balance dropped over 2 oz 245 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,000 off this shoe and I've really enjoyed it. 246 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,840 It is simple. It is a neutral shoe. 247 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,840 The side walls are really good. So I've had I've done really 248 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,640 well. Mid foot doesn't narrow too 249 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,080 much, but it's a more moderate stack. 250 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,360 I I think they dropped. I did. 251 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,520 I might be wrong, but I think they dropped the stack. 252 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,160 No, they brought it up right. Or no, they kept it the same. 253 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,560 They did, I thought 3120. Three, I think it may have 254 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,240 changed based on where you were getting your numbers from, but 255 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,360 I'm I'm pretty sure they added a couple millimeters. 256 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,200 Got it, got it. OK, that's fair. 257 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,880 But it doesn't feel like the highest stack shoe. 258 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,160 It's got some flexibility. It's much lighter, lower volume, 259 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,960 so it feels like a borderline lightweight trainer now. 260 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Even though there's plenty of cushion, it still feels great 261 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,480 walking in all day. I just really enjoy it. 262 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,160 It's a little The heel counter is a little stiff for. 263 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Me. How much does it weigh? 264 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,320 Really impressed with what, 8.7 oz for men, size 9. 265 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,520 That's yeah, it's light. I'm like, whoa, wow. 266 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,920 OK, so I really enjoy this. It's not the most exciting shoe. 267 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,720 It's not no crazy foam. It just feels very standard. 268 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,320 But it's a good shoe to go. I'm gonna put something on that 269 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,240 I don't have to think about. I really enjoyed it. 270 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 So great New Balance. I really enjoyed that. 271 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,960 Another yeah, surprise, one that I didn't expect to like and I 272 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,080 actually did not like it first has been the glycerin GTS from. 273 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,280 That's surprising. So again, I did not like this. 274 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,320 The last version I felt like the heel was clunky. 275 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,640 It wasn't great. I took some time to let this 276 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,600 break in. I think I've got 70 miles on 277 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,360 this pair now and it's broken in so nicely. 278 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,520 There's a lot more room up top. The 10 milliliter drop has been 279 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,480 great because I keep annoying my Achilles tendon just 'cause I 280 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 haven't been doing the stuff that I talk about on the podcast 281 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,400 with rehab and I'm getting back on it, but it's just been a. 282 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,520 You're not sleeping shoe again, you have a kid. 283 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,640 Yeah, not sleep. I'm getting less than 7 hours 284 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:01,640 for stress. Yeah, yeah, all that stuff, but 285 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,680 it's been a really solid daily training shoe for just getting 286 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:08,000 miles on when I want something really cushioned, but I don't 287 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,920 want like a super trainer or something feeling like odd under 288 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,360 foot that I feel kind of weird and running in a different shoe 289 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,120 afterwards. The Glycerin G test has been a 290 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,160 really great shoe. So good job Brooks. 291 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,400 I'm I'm really impressed as this I came around on this one. 292 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,960 That's great, do you have any other ones for those or are 293 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,880 those your 3? Those are the big three. 294 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,960 We'll talk about some of the like super, the Max stack height 295 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 stuff in just a second. But yeah, those are some big 296 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,160 ones, yeah. So for for mine, I'm going to be 297 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,040 cheating a little bit because there really is only one shoe 298 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,880 that falls into like the pure daily training category. 299 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,680 And, and people can disagree with me later because I have a 300 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,560 couple shoes that will come out to be like just put that in the 301 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,000 daily training category. Fine. 302 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,320 However, these are going to be the three that I'm going to talk 303 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,960 about. The first two came out last year 304 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,600 and one of them I would put in the potentially boring shoe 305 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,440 category in weighs the same as the New Balance shoe, and that's 306 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,920 the Clifton 9. This is a shoe that I still love 307 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,840 this one one got like was one of my favorites from last year, so 308 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,640 I don't need to belabor it, but just a reminder. 309 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,960 This shoe is still on the market and it's really solid and it 310 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,480 gets a lot of it can just pound miles and can pick up the pace a 311 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,000 little bit. It feels nice and light. 312 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,200 The little bit more energetic foam in comparison to previous 313 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Clifton's. I'm a big fan of the Clifton 9, 314 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,720 the other one that if people have listened to me enough, they 315 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,560 know I love me a good Nova blast Nova blast 4 is another one that 316 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,320 I just have really enjoyed and it's stayed consistent gets get 317 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,120 a lot of miles on it. I've I found that there's a lot 318 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,400 of similarities between the three and the four, maybe 319 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,760 slightly more stable with a little bit firmer of a foam in 320 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,640 the four, but really like that. But the one shoe that is getting 321 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,880 this category for me for 2024 that's come out this year is the 322 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,080 Triumph 22. And this one could be put in 323 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,280 another category. It could be put in kind of that 324 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,560 Max category because it has a lot of foam underneath and it 325 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,000 has. It has been moved to their power 326 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,560 run PB. But again, I just love the 327 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,280 cushioning in this shoe. I typically don't like super 328 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,640 soft shoes, but the way that this one is soft feels 329 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,680 responsive to me. Even at like easy paces. 330 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,080 I don't feel like I'm sinking into it and I like the wide 331 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,240 platform, but it has a really nice bevel. 332 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,000 So it doesn't feel clunky, even though it's got a really wide 333 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,400 heel. So I think that the width 334 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,280 stabilizes the platform and I think they just did a nice job 335 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,560 putting the power and PB as a blend into this training shoe. 336 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,520 And I have the most miles in this shoe of any shoe this year 337 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,400 so far. So it had to it had to make my 338 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,080 list. And I'm kind of pulling it out 339 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,240 for most of my stuff, especially knowing again, if you followed, 340 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,480 I'm still coming back from this foot thing. 341 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,400 So I'm not pushing the pace a whole lot. 342 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,320 And so it has fit the bill for most of the runs that I've done. 343 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,000 So really it's the Triumph 22 for me. 344 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,040 Let's go into the Max Max stack category you got for that. 345 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,160 I think one of the big ones that I think people are going to know 346 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,920 right away has been the Neo Vista. 347 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,760 For me, even though it messed with my brain about what the 348 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,079 foam is, it's just been a like a super stack, super bouncy shoe. 349 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,520 I'll do 100 mile review of this really, really soon. 350 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,000 I will say some of the crazy bounce of it has kind of tapered 351 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,240 off. We're still got a nice bouncy 352 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,599 foam. It's great for long runs. 353 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,720 It can still handle up tempo stuff, but it's just been a 354 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,800 really great thing to see from Mizuno to go, wow, you're 355 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,840 actually making a soft shoe. And I mean that in the best way 356 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,720 possible because a lot of their stuff typically tends totally 357 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,560 firm. And apparently we're going to 358 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,600 see a lot more of this in their other models coming out. 359 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,040 So I'm very curious to see where that goes. 360 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,480 But that this has been probably the the Max stack I shoe that's 361 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,640 been on my feet the most in 2024 as I get close to 100 miles. 362 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,200 Just great lockdown, great a little bit of rubbing on the 363 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,920 toe, which I'll talk about, but like really great foam that 364 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,800 challenged my. Nice cool. 365 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,360 I'll jump in with mine and then you can go back to yours because 366 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:01,320 I actually only have one for this category. 367 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,880 Again, you could maybe put the triumph here just because there 368 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,600 are, there is a lot of foam there, but the one I'm going to 369 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,000 talk about is the Cloud Monster Hyper. 370 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,760 I, I, I'm very hesitant to talk about this shoe as a favorite of 371 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 2024 because I don't think the values there. 372 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,880 So I have, I have like 20 miles in this shoe at this point and I 373 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,680 enjoy running in it. I like picking up that my effort 374 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,280 just that little bit that I am doing. 375 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,920 It feels responsive. It's a stable platform. 376 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,640 I can run on our green circle crush granite because it doesn't 377 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,360 get stuck in any of the clouds. So like I'm I'm a fan of this 378 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,160 shoe and the overall feel of it. It's not super soft. 379 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,400 It's a little bit firmer, but springy in my opinion that when 380 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,200 you just have a shoe that's over $200.00 that's meant for 381 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,040 training again, I just don't see the value there for it. 382 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,400 But if I had to pick one for this category and if money 383 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,120 weren't an issue, this would be a shoe that I enjoy being in. 384 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,120 I was running in it this weekend with my friends and I. 385 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:03,760 So what do you think of that shoe that you're wearing? 386 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,760 And it's funny, like I on the podcast, I talk about shoes and 387 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,720 just like can ramble about shoes when I'm with my friends talking 388 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,320 about shoes, I'm pretty short. I'm like, oh, it's a shoe. 389 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,520 It's OK. Like that's all I give them. 390 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,280 And I don't know if I like subconsciously dissociate like 391 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,000 my doctors of running passion for shoes when I'm going and 392 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,640 running with my friends. I don't know if there's a if 393 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,320 that's a thing, but if it's about me when I'm with my 394 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,000 running friends, I'm usually pretty sure with my answers. 395 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,560 So I don't think they listen to this podcast either, so they 396 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,880 won't even hear me talking about this. 397 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,680 But cloud monster hyper. I enjoy. 398 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,920 I enjoy it as a as a higher stack, Matt's Max do shoe and it 399 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,040 feels good on my foot as well. So it that's always a win. 400 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,080 What else do you got? So this is going to be a little 401 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,680 bit controversial. Let's see if I can grab this 402 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,760 without looking the let's see if I can pronounce this by the way, 403 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,840 beforehand, I, I recognize that I, I mispronounced everything. 404 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:07,000 Please don't judge me. So the Cielo X1, not Cielo. 405 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Great. I've really enjoyed this show 406 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,360 even though I oh, I grabbed the wrong one, even though I ripped 407 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,760 off the outsole piece because where I land now is I land more 408 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,840 than mid foot right now probably 'cause I'm pushing a stroller 409 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,400 which has changed my mechanics and I kind of catch that point 410 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,880 and pulled the stuff off. It's still for most people, it's 411 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,480 going to be really durable, but this has been a great shoe 412 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,000 that's been able to handle so many things like I, I don't 413 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,560 suggest training in super true super racing. 414 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,480 This is really meant as a racer, but it's been really fun to get 415 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,520 some long runs in it, some up tempo stuff. 416 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,000 And I ran a 1745. I know I've said this a billion 417 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,160 times stroller 5K in this shoe. And so I, I think this is 418 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,360 definitely, if you're looking for something that can handle 419 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,160 training racing and you're OK being in a super shoe all the 420 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720 time, this actually might be a good option, although it is 421 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,680 pretty pricey, especially for what I did to it. 422 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,680 But that's that's my caveat with it, yeah. 423 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,440 Great. Do you have any others or are 424 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,680 those the the two that you really wanted to touch on? 425 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,920 I think those are the two really big ones in terms of like 426 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,320 favorites that I've enjoyed. Great. 427 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Well, let's move on to our final category. 428 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,480 And this is kind of that lightweight and performance shoe 429 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,960 category. Actually, we do have one other 430 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,280 category after this, but that'll be a surprise and we'll we'll 431 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,000 touch at the end. But what? 432 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,040 What are your top lightweight training shoes that you got so 433 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,640 far? Oh, and so two of these I've 434 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,400 been getting, I've gotten lots of miles on. 435 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,520 So the first one is the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4, which I the 436 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,880 three was OK four really grew. I mean I really enjoyed it. 437 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,720 Got 100 miles on it. I real for easy runs, long runs, 438 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040 especially some up tempo stuff. It's just been a shoe I've been 439 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,920 able to grab for a little bit of everything. 440 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,080 So really enjoyed it little more. 441 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,040 It felt feels a little more aggressive than the last 442 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,520 version. Feels a little bit speedier 443 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,600 while still being able to handle some of the same things while 444 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,160 also having some stable neutral components. 445 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,880 Although it's a little soft, just not quite as much as the 446 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,400 last version, but I've been really enjoying the speed for 447 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,160 us, the 1st to the three that I've been enjoying this year. 448 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,520 What about you? Because you're holding your 449 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,720 pair. Yeah, I'll piggyback on you. 450 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,320 This would be my top one for this category. 451 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,400 Of the shoes that I've ran in this year, this one has the 452 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,280 second most miles in it. And I would agree. 453 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,800 I've been able to put pretty much anything through this shoe. 454 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,120 Always been this kind of magic. Do it all shoe from version one 455 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,800 all the way to now in version four. 456 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,640 I think what they did with version 4 is that they took 457 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,040 version threes kind of stability elements that they added with 458 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,240 widening the plate all the way through the platform. 459 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,440 And they took the speed elements and like streamlined elements of 460 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,840 the first version and they put them together. 461 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,040 And now you have version four, which I think is in my opinion 462 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,760 the best speed there's been. For myself, it's my favorite 463 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,680 because version one I couldn't handle a lot of miles because it 464 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,480 was too unstable in the heel. Version three I I was like, this 465 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,080 is my favorite for sure because they were they widened that 466 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,280 plate in the mid foot. I could run in it without 467 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,000 getting irritation around my ankle. 468 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,480 And now I get like the best of both worlds with the four and 469 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,640 you can just run nice and slow. I would say the one thing about 470 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,360 this shoe that's not perfect yet, believe it or not, no shoes 471 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,000 perfect is there is some tapering on the lateral side 472 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,520 that gets my my little toe and I have AI had a roommate here. 473 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,200 He was graduating or he was in his final rotation for PT 474 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,320 school. We've we house PT students when 475 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,280 they need a place during their rotations. 476 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,000 And he wore my pair grew the same size. 477 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,960 So he like just went through all of these and while he was living 478 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,280 there, it was it was awesome. And he came back. 479 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,120 He's like, yeah, my foot was numb, but it was fine. 480 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,200 So he got a little bit numb in this shoe, but he's tipped 481 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,640 usually a nine and a half. So he went down to a size 9, but 482 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,520 he then released it and he did run in it multiple more times 483 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,320 and ended up doing just fine. And so anyway, I just thought 484 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,480 that was a funny story. And I would say if they're one 485 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,920 thing that they could dial in, it would be just opening up that 486 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,200 4 foot a little bit and then it would be great. 487 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,560 But keep the dialed in nature of the rest of it because it's 488 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,600 really, it's a really great shoe to run in one of those what 489 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,160 seems aggressive can also just take a recovery run and knock it 490 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,760 out of the park. So crazy. 491 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,000 What's your next one? So this is a little bit 492 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,120 stereotypical, but they've done a great job with it has been the 493 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,800 New Balance rebel version four. This has been an awesome shoe. 494 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,400 We didn't get to test it till later. 495 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,120 I'm very happy I got to test this again, more moderate stack 496 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:32,720 height. They did. 497 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,920 I know we just talked about being careful with what how 498 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,680 exactly they we talk about foams, but the new people based 499 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,400 foam here definitely is more responsive. 500 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,600 I've done some incredibly fast workouts in this shoe. 501 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,160 Even though there's no plate here, there's still some good 502 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,320 flexibility a little bit wider ver. 503 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,840 I did not like version three. I found it unstable. 504 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,160 I found it not as fun as I was hoping. 505 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,680 This really corrected all those things where it's a much wider 506 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,120 platform, which I've actually because the widen midfoot has 507 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,680 actually been great. I did 15 miles in this shoe and 508 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,560 it felt totally fine. Didn't have any stability 509 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,480 issues, but still the snappiness and wider fit. 510 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,760 So it's been a really good shoe to both get workouts on when I 511 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,320 want to try to avoid the plated shoes and just give my body a 512 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,440 little bit break, but also just enough room to still feel really 513 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,120 comfortable. And I'm really surprised. 514 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,400 I've been seeing a lot of people here in Monrovia where I live 515 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,800 wearing this casually. And I'm like, I'm not surprised. 516 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,760 It's a pretty comfortable shoe. So also understand why it's 517 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,000 popular. So that's been another one of 518 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,800 mine. That's great. 519 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,400 My next one is the one where I said earlier that you could 520 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,760 argue with me about categories and this is the one that maybe 521 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080 you could just throw in the daily training category, but it 522 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,080 is lighter 'cause I think it's 7.4 oz and that's the Hoka Mach 523 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,440 6. And so this shoe again also, so 524 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,880 it's kind of similar to yours. This is a non plated shoe. 525 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,720 They put a super critical Eva in here for the first time. 526 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,480 It's also the first time they gave it a rubber outsole. 527 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,800 So this is in my opinion, by far the best mock that they have 528 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,960 come out with and I have enjoyed every mock that I've tested and 529 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,680 I've tested. I've tested all of them from 530 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:09,240 version three, so 345 and six. I've been able to test and I I I 531 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960 love the responsiveness of the new foam. 532 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,480 I really love that they gave it a rubber outsole. 533 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,440 It's got better grip and better durability, so I could get a lot 534 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,840 of miles on here. This is my third highest mileage 535 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,800 shoe this year behind the triumph and the speed 4, and so 536 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,040 I I expect to get more miles in this shoe. 537 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,720 The one thing it's funny. This is like a repeated theme, I 538 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,280 guess for me. But the one thing is that the 539 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,680 volume of the four foot in the Mach 6 is snug and it's just 540 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,960 they could just open that up like give it the give it the 541 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,880 four foot of the Clifton 9 and I'd be a happy camper. 542 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560 And maybe they did it on purpose for that lightweight trainer 543 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,480 feel. But I think that you could open 544 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,240 that up but keep the lockdown everywhere else and it would be 545 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040 it would be great. I also love the color that they 546 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,400 sent us. I think I it's really maybe 547 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,960 boring. That's kind of like off light, 548 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,120 but I think it's pretty clean. I have really enjoyed getting 549 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,400 miles in on this shoe and expect to get a lot more. 550 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,480 I was I was thankful. So when I first got it, I was 551 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,720 like, I'm not going to be able to run in this. 552 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,680 It's too tight. But that was when it was super 553 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800 cold and I had to wear my thicker socks here in Wisconsin. 554 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Once I switched over to like the thinner summer socks, I've been 555 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,160 fine and the uppers kind of seemed to relax and open up a 556 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,840 little bit. So mock 6, big fan of this shoe 557 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,800 and expect to get more miles in it. 558 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,840 Totally agree with you on all the points there. 559 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,000 For me that the kind of narrower forefoot did kind of kill it a 560 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,840 little bit, but it's still a shoe that like I was really 561 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,680 happy with how fast I could take that shoe and how comfortable it 562 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,520 felt to run easier. And so it's really great. 563 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,480 I'm going to go a little different direction. 564 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,920 The news to try series has always been like supposed to be 565 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,600 my favorite shoe because I'm the weirdo that likes running 566 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,400 sockless and like playing things. 567 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,480 I've actually never fully been able to do that 100% in any 568 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,520 previous news to try. There's always been something 569 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,160 that's caused some blistering or something. 570 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,360 It's like almost this finally got it every mile. 571 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,560 I think I've got it like almost 15 miles in my pair now. 572 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,720 Every mile has been without socks. 573 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,680 I've had no issue and I actually the way it fits is actually I 574 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,960 can't wear socks with this or it's too tight. 575 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,040 So going sockless actually makes it feel just right. 576 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,440 I will also say the reason I really like this is because I 577 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,480 feel like this is more of a successor to the magic speed 578 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,000 three than the magic speed 4 is just because the specs this is 579 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,960 much lighter. Yeah, it's a little stiff. 580 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,240 It's the still got some flexibility, but there is a 581 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,640 flight phone blast plus in here and it's got that same like 582 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,520 really comfortable bounce to it that can also move really quick 583 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,880 and just feels like a faster non plated racing shoe. 584 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,320 So I I am really enjoying the news to try 16 and can say 585 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,440 they've I think they finally got the sockless thing right. 586 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,760 But I'll get further miles and figure that out fully. 587 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Yeah, and it, and it's, it's funny because it comes in at 588 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:04,360 $135 and that's pretty awesome for the the stage of the game 589 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000 that we're in. I hate, hates. 590 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,160 I usually don't use that word, but here we go. 591 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,920 I hate the fact that 135 feels like a cheap running shoe 592 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,680 because that used to be the top end stuff and so it's it's 593 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,880 bothersome, but you can get you know, this was going to be the 594 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,040 other one I was going to talk about and I I only have a couple 595 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,000 runs in on this shoe, so jury's out. 596 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560 So it's not officially making my list, but I did want to 597 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,120 reference it because it's a shoe that comes in at, you know, 135 598 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,320 bucks. It's got a foam that's pretty 599 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,000 responsive. If you like a slightly stiffer 600 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520 rocker platform, this is one that's going to work for you. 601 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,080 It's pretty basic from a construction standpoint besides 602 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,320 a little bit of rocker. You have to be able to handle a 603 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,880 little bit of toe spring. But yeah, the Trinusa, it's it's 604 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,240 a solid series. I'm glad they're continuing it 605 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,400 and I hope that they keep going and keep it in its simplicity, 606 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,960 because I think that's what makes the Trinusa really, I 607 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,800 don't know, really appealing is that it's it's simple and basic. 608 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,360 And these two shoes, the mock 6 and the Trinusa are very similar 609 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,440 in my opinion from a feel standpoint. 610 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,120 The toe springs a little less aggressive in the Mach 6, which 611 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,240 is why I prefer it slightly to the Trinusa. 612 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,480 But it's a good it's a good shoe, especially now that it's 613 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,640 moved to the the same foam that's in the Nova blast. 614 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640 I'm a big, I'm a big fan. All right. 615 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,480 So we have one more category that we wanted to hit before we 616 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,360 start wrapping things up here. And that's looking backwards at 617 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,920 shoes that are still on the market that maybe or or are new 618 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,360 as well. But we're trying to find that 619 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,120 shoe that's a really great value for what you can get, especially 620 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,720 relating to your own preferences. 621 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Matt, So for you, do you want to go first or do you want me to go 622 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,360 first on this one? OK. 623 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Sure. So are we officially saying this 624 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,600 is our either a budget or it's still available like previous 625 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,600 model that's still available in the market kind of? 626 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,680 Thing either one, you can do either or both. 627 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,640 I'm going to I'm going to do 2 for this and one of one of each. 628 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,360 So this shoe technically is still the current model, it's 629 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,240 just from last year, but I think it's a great value and an 630 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,480 awesome shoe that I've still loved. 631 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,200 It's one of my favorite shoes of 2023 and that's the A6 GT 2012. 632 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560 I still would run it. This thing, I love this thing. 633 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,680 I'm really excited and also scared for the update to see 634 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,880 what happens with that because this is such a big change. 635 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,200 But I love this shoe. The foam is great. 636 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,200 I've done like I've done long runs, faster runs, easy runs, 637 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,760 just something that I trust and grab every single time. 638 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Like I'm beat up and I don't want to think about shoes I'm 639 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,760 reviewing. I just want to grab something 640 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,800 that I really love and enjoy. So even when the new version 641 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,120 comes out, this shoe on sale is phenomenal. 642 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,520 It's great. It's a lot of stuff that we've 643 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,000 talked about again, newer age where yes, it does feel like 644 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,200 there's some good arch support. They're kind of moving away from 645 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520 the whole posted concept and moving. 646 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,480 If if people really liked the Keanu light, this is a lighter 647 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920 spiritual success of that that I think fits a little better and 648 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,960 it's a little bit quicker. So GT 2012 great great shoe 649 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,640 still. Great, I have one. 650 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,440 So I'll just get mine and then you can wrap this up. 651 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,760 So this probably shouldn't surprise you, but this shoe, I'm 652 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,080 talking about it because it's still available on the company's 653 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,600 website for $120.00 and that is the Nova Blast 3. 654 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240 And so the Nova Blast three is still available. 655 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,360 I would say that there are enough similarities between the 656 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,120 three and the four that I would go snag a version three right 657 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,920 now. If you this is a shoe that you 658 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,320 love, there's still I was looking tonight and there's 659 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,320 still a lot of sizes available on the men's side of things at 660 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680 least. And so the noble blast 3 is a 661 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,360 shoe I've loved training and I have over 200 miles on this pair 662 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,520 and I've gotten a lot of miles on the the four as well. 663 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,880 So this one's still up there. 120 bucks. 664 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,120 I would say it's totally, totally worth it and worth one 665 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,400 checking out. What's your other one? 666 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160 I have one more. This is really it's it's current 667 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,640 from what I understand and it was sent to us recently, but I 668 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,680 just was blown away by the fact that this is $100 shoe and I've 669 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,760 seen places where you can actually get this on sale 670 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,680 already, but the Merrill Morph Light has blown me away for 671 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,200 being $100 shoe. It's honestly like got all these 672 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,960 great components to it. It's a really good Rd. hybrid, 673 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Rd. trail hybrid option. There are lugs are not so 674 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600 aggressive they cannot handle Rd. there. 675 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,400 It's a little wider than I was expecting. 676 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200 I haven't run in a Merrill since the Merrill, the original 677 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,440 Merrill trail glove, which was when I was in college, which is 678 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,160 over a decade ago. So I was like whoa, OK, great. 679 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,200 Still slightly wider fit, not nearly as wide as some of those 680 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,280 ones, but still good. I did have to really lock the 681 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,280 laces down because there is more volume in this, but lots of 682 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640 cushioning. 6mm drop that actually feels a little higher 683 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,560 than that. And what was really interesting 684 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,440 to me is this actually feels like a mildly posted shoe. 685 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,960 It is not there is a sidewall here, but the arch is a little 686 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,360 higher and it just feels really nice for someone that needs a 687 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,920 little stability. It's not a stability shoe, but 688 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,639 the higher arch really hugs my foot in a way that's not 689 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,520 irritating. It makes it feel very stable. 690 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,800 So and for again, foam's great rocker's really good. 691 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,960 It can it's a little lighter, so you can pick up the pace a 692 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,719 little bit, but just been really impressed by this quote UN quote 693 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,480 budget shoe about all it can do. So I'm I've got to say I got to 694 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,440 give this a shout out for something that's affordable. 695 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,719 You can still find it on sale for even less than that for 696 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,480 those that want something can handle a little bit of 697 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,880 everything surface wise. Really great option. 698 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,639 Yeah, it's interesting. We get companies like Merrill or 699 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,800 others that either are new to creating running shoes in 700 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,800 general or are big companies do other things for like, hey, 701 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,000 we're also trying to break into the ranch again, but you want to 702 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,920 check them out? And so Merrill reached out to us 703 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,000 and I, I know that they've, you know, hiking shoes and they've 704 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,080 been in that realm at least from like my interaction with them. 705 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,080 They've had some mild running like trail running shoes for for 706 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,320 quite some time, but just not like kind of, Yeah, I don't know 707 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,640 how to put this, but yeah. There's a, there's a certain 708 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,400 level of dedication to a running specific shoe that I think 709 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,960 they're like, hey, we're trying to do this. 710 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,400 Do you want to check them out? And a lot of times when we check 711 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,480 those out, a lot of those shoes flop and and don't do so great. 712 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000 So it's fun when when one kind of works out, especially when it 713 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,960 costs $100 because it's not easy to find a shoe for $100 anymore. 714 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,160 And I'm curious to hear how the foam lasts durability wise for 715 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,480 you. I'm. 716 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,840 Super curious by the way, they have like a trail racing line 717 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,720 that I'm now that I kind of looked at for a little bit. 718 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,560 I'm like, Nah. Now I'm like, oh, now I'm kind 719 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,840 of interested. Now I I want. 720 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,680 To test that. So that's cool. 721 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,080 Great. Well, again, we want to hear 722 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,240 what your favorite shoes are from this year and which shoes 723 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,520 you think that you are excited about that we've tested and that 724 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800 made our lists. I thought an interesting 725 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,480 observation for myself from this is that if I take out the Cloud 726 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,960 Monster Hyper, both of my categories had a shoe from Hoka, 727 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,360 a shoe from Saucony and a shoe from ASICS. 728 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600 And I I would say it's probably pretty consistent for me over 729 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,920 the last couple years as my preferences go towards those 730 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,600 brands in terms of what works with my foot and my mechanics 731 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,800 and what I enjoy. So I just thought that was 732 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,960 pretty interesting that I fell and I, I didn't, I didn't 733 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,080 realize that until we were talking tonight, but I only had 734 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,280 those three brands that made my made my list so far for 2024, 735 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,360 but. I as usual, I'm all over the 736 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,040 place, so which? Is wonderful, very consistent. 737 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,760 Awesome. Well, we're going to be signing 738 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,520 off for this session. This is everything that we got 739 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,040 for you all today. We thank you for always joining 740 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,720 in with us. If you have it in you to take 741 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,800 some time to leave a review of the podcast and subscribe, that 742 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,680 does help this podcast grow. Otherwise, we're just glad 743 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,280 you're here and hope that you glean. 744 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,120 I was going to say glean, gain or glean, Glean something from 745 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,720 these conversations and we'll talk to you all next time.