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David, how you doing doing? 25 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:10,400 Well man, how are you? Awesome. 26 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,600 This is gonna be a fun episode. We, you know, it's the the fun 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,500 of having such an awesome team, we're bouncing in and out of 28 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:19,200 who's doing the episode. So David and I, we come like 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,200 this, this could be good. I know we have some good 30 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,800 conversations because today we're talking about something 31 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,200 that David and I both look for in terms of what is 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,600 responsiveness. We've had a lot of readers 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,600 viewers. And and listeners reach out and 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,900 go. Hey, you know, you talked about 35 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:39,200 this term, what is it mean? It's funny that that has we were 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,200 going to just answer directly thought hey, we might as well do 37 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,500 a podcast talk a little bit more about this because when I've 38 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:47,100 looked even through the literature, it's very kind of a 39 00:01:47,108 --> 00:01:49,400 vague term that I think we need to explore. 40 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,700 So that's we're going to dive into and of course, our 41 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:54,100 subjective is the exact same thing. 42 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:55,700 Sort of subjective question please. 43 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:58,400 Answer and whatever Media Forum that you're listening watching 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,000 viewing we want to know how to You define responsiveness in a 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,200 shoe, what does that mean to you? 46 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,000 What is it? How do you define it? 47 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,900 Let us know in the comments below and I'll throw that to dr. 48 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,600 Salah. So David, what is responsiveness 49 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,900 mean to you? How would you define it? 50 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,800 Yeah, when I take a look at responsiveness, I look at it as 51 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,900 like this, giant concoction of little details that end up 52 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:25,800 responding to this shoe and what you get from the shoe. 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,500 And when I look at it, in the most literal sense is, when I 54 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:33,000 want this shoe, You to respond, does it respond to the forces 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,400 that I want to put on it? So when I'm asking that shoe or 56 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,100 when I'm asking my body like, okay now I want something from 57 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:41,800 this. Shoot can it deliver and that 58 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,300 isn't just the midsole that's not just a plate. 59 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:47,800 There's a million things that go into making a shoe quote, 60 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,400 unquote responsive but I take a look at it and just how well 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,400 does this shoe respond to load? You know, the harder you're 62 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,500 putting down the quicker? You move it and the more you're 63 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,200 trying to get from it from You and your own body? 64 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,100 Like how well does that she'll respond? 65 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,500 Yeah, I think we mentioned this off are earlier, but David gets 66 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,200 all credit for going. Hey, he's going to Define this 67 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,000 as how is she responds to look because what I think of 68 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 responsiveness. And what I'm usually meaning is 69 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,700 if I'm going to push the pace and start putting some force in 70 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:20,100 the shoe, how much of that? Am I getting back, right? 71 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,800 So if I have something like, you know, a very light Snappy racing 72 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,800 flat that when I start picking up the pace, it feels good. 73 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,000 It's popping off the ground. I feel like I'm not having to 74 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:34,200 Fight the shoe, a moot like it's moving with me and it's if even, 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,600 even give me some it, like energy, but it's not the right 76 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,200 term, but it feels like it's helped me kick along, whereas a 77 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,700 shoe that is mushy, something that kind of you compress into. 78 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:47,000 It doesn't bounce back and we'll have some more scientific term 79 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,500 for this in just a second, but it's kind of like, hey, it's 80 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:51,000 really cushion. But it doesn't bounce back. 81 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,400 It doesn't work well for going fast. 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,600 It just good for easy stuff. That's a shoe that I would 83 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,800 Define as not responsive. It's and it, but that's probably 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,400 not We are going to be using that shoe. 85 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Hopefully, so you mention this, and this is great because 86 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,500 there's Al as always. And if your listeners watching, 87 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:10,400 you should know that we're not trying to make things 88 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,000 complicated. They often are. 89 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,300 So there's a lot of pieces that go into this. 90 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:17,000 It's not just one factor. And I think the reason I bring 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,200 that up, is because we've talked about, you know, shoe 92 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,700 resiliency, which the or foam resiliency, which Farmers Ilyas 93 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:25,800 resiliency specifically is defined. 94 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,700 As when you deform a material how much does Does it bounce 95 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:32,400 back? Bounce backs up the right word, 96 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,200 but how, how much is it reform? So if you compress a foam and it 97 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,300 risks in it reforms like 85%, 87%, you would have 87% 98 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:46,300 resiliency right? Somebody some foam biomechanism. 99 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:49,200 Please correct me if I have misinterpreted that but the 100 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,300 reason I'm using that number is because there were some studies 101 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:55,000 a couple years ago you know Jeff Burns we've had on the podcast 102 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,100 has been really good had pardoned, some of those Hooch 103 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:00,500 camera and a couple other phenomenal buy America This were 104 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:03,300 looking at the Nike Vapor flying other shoes and found that the 105 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:07,200 vapor fly had an 80. Correct me if I'm wrong, 87%, 106 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,400 resiliency insert in my you're making it, I think is there and 107 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,800 think it might have actually been a little higher. 108 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,100 Was it? 87 89, 88, something like that. 109 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,200 The OG, an original, the original, the original, okay? 110 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,100 Yes, like this to me is p backs numbers. 111 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:23,400 I thought they were getting into, like the low 90s that they 112 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,700 are, they are. So that's the, I a regional 113 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:29,800 Vapor fly the new stuffs going higher, the Endorphin Elites, 114 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,200 right? Right? 115 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,700 Which we just got our hands on is 95%, so that's, that's crazy, 116 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:36,500 right? That means like 94 percent five 117 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,800 percent of the compressions going to get come back at you. 118 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Which that's, and that feels like this, right? 119 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,800 This is not a review of this shoe, but this shoe is super 120 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,300 fun. Not the most durable, but super 121 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:48,000 fun and bounces along really, really well. 122 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,500 So, you know, but just because the foam bounces back that much 123 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:56,200 doesn't necessarily mean it's response because there's other 124 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,800 parts of the shoe that can either add or detract from this. 125 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,500 So Other components which we talked about foam, right? 126 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:05,700 So the how much it kind of Pops back or the, the technical term 127 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,700 is resiliency, what other components of the shoe? 128 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:12,400 Do you think add to responsiveness? 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,900 Yeah. And when we take a look at 130 00:06:13,908 --> 00:06:16,900 responsiveness to some degree, I'm also it's like the art and 131 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:19,900 the science, right? The science is the resiliency. 132 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:22,400 The longitudinal bending stiffness. 133 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,300 All kinds of components that go in. 134 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,400 That are the scientific Parts, but the end of the day it still 135 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,800 has to be a shoe. And it still has to be something 136 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,700 that You want to run in, but I think I'll I'm glad you brought 137 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,300 up the Endorphin Elite, because I've gotten or friend Elite 138 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:37,900 right next to me. And I've gotten into it from Pro 139 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:42,900 3 right next to me. And I think not a Saucony plug 140 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:44,400 here. It's just, I think it's a good 141 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,500 example of them doing something very different with two shoes in 142 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:50,800 the same category, both responsive, but in different 143 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,900 ways and I will say that like, for me, the Endorphin Elite is 144 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:57,900 more responsive than the Endorphin Pro 3 and here's why 145 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,800 so they did update the midsole, From a resilient standpoint that 146 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,700 is a little bit higher but if you look at the geometric 147 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:09,300 configuration of the shoes as well the Endorphin Pro 3 has a 148 00:07:09,300 --> 00:07:14,200 much more gradual like speed roll devil, you know, rocker 149 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,300 profile whatever we want to call it. 150 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,100 When you look at the Endorphin Elite you have a very sharp 151 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:23,300 toast bring up front and the bevel in the heel is actually 152 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,000 pretty comparable between the two. 153 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:26,600 There's not too much of a difference. 154 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,700 So you're healing mid-foot transitions are similar but you 155 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:33,500 have a A really fast poppy, four-foot transition in the 156 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,800 Endorphin Elite compared to the Endorphin, Pro 3. 157 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:40,000 And so we're one is a little bit more of a Cadence type shoe. 158 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,100 The other one just really wants you to send it. 159 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:45,500 Like you just want you to just pop off at four foot and go and 160 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,700 so some of it is a feeling, but when we take a look at it, they 161 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:50,800 both have carbon plates. But you don't necessarily have 162 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,700 to have a stiffening agent in there. 163 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:54,200 You can still have a responsive shoe. 164 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:56,700 Sometimes flexibility can actually be your friend 165 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:00,000 depending on what you're wanting for me. 166 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:01,800 Sfm on the track, doing some speed work. 167 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Ironically I actually don't really like a plate in my shoe 168 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:06,900 so I can see that's been working really well for me. 169 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:10,300 We're on the same page tonight. This is this is awesome. 170 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:14,000 Yeah I knew what he was going to grab so I kind of just for those 171 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,000 who are listening. It just pulled up the the Topo 172 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,900 Cyclone to which has been a phenomenal shoe off topic. 173 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,900 This has been a really great shoe for a couple high schoolers 174 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:27,700 that I've been working with that. 175 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:30,100 You know. They we you know, we have our On 176 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:31,900 and off with Orthotics. And, you know, this review, you 177 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:33,799 listen this. But they've got some 178 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,600 biomechanical issues that they were born with where they really 179 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,400 need to have a little orthotic there. 180 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,799 And a lot of racing shoes won't take that and this the Topo 181 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,500 Cyclone to actually will. So it's been a really good 182 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:48,000 comment erasing option that's also has a little wider fit can 183 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,600 handle something like that but it's it's super flexible. 184 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,100 Stop played it but man this thing moves right? 185 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,700 The pebax foam, it's a little lower to the ground. 186 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:58,100 Not the highest stack height but it's super light. 187 00:08:58,100 --> 00:08:59,900 What is it under seven ounces, right? 188 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,500 Yeah, yeah, so I think so 6.8 or something like that this is this 189 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:06,400 is a great example because you're mentioning you mention a 190 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,000 couple things you're going, hey, we talked about the foam which 191 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 can certainly influence this and it doesn't necessarily mean the 192 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,500 Supersoft Foams, like the super soft bouncy. 193 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:16,700 Phones are initially going to be the most responsive, right? 194 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:18,600 In certain shoes that can actually be a little mushy 195 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,800 sometimes having things be a little bit firmer. 196 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,300 Like so for the Endorphin Pro 3 and the Endorphin Elite, I find 197 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:28,800 the Endorphin. Pro 3, much softer of a Shoe, 198 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Right versus the indoor. And really it was a little bit 199 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,300 firmer but that the like responsiveness of the elite is, 200 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,500 is for me personally higher. So it's again subject if you're 201 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:41,700 going to see how you respond to it. 202 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:44,500 But another thing you'll have to look at is what's the geometry 203 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:46,000 of the shoe, right? Is it rolling? 204 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,400 You forward? Is it? 205 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,200 What's how aggressive is, it is working with your mechanics? 206 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,000 And then there's also the flexibility or bending 207 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,400 stiffness, do you work well with the super stiff Snappy shoe, or 208 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,900 do you want something that's more flexible and pulls, you 209 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,000 forward, right? That's That's going to vary. 210 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,400 So it's not one factor, it's the combination of factors. 211 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,700 And before I dive into our by mechanics, is there anything 212 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:11,200 else you think from the shoe that can influence 213 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,200 responsiveness because you have that? 214 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,300 We've got foam geometry stiffness. 215 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,700 I missing anything, we talked about I mean, even our sieves 216 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:24,600 and councils and can yeah, still do that. 217 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,900 Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. 218 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:30,400 Traction definitely, and in a weird way like so, Sometimes 219 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,500 you'll see a flatter outsole on a shoe because it'll give you a 220 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:36,100 softer perception of. Yeah, ground underneath. 221 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:39,300 You like what field of foam or right versus like a thicker 222 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Rubber outsole? And again, this is going to be a 223 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 more of a personal preference for different situations but a 224 00:10:45,008 --> 00:10:49,100 lot of these road racing shoes or roads Pacific shoes, they 225 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:52,500 have these thin outsoles on them, you know, like they 226 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:56,700 basically like almost act like trying to think of the word, but 227 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:59,000 it almost like it like compresses a little bit and grab 228 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,200 the road, you know? Versus like then being like this 229 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,300 thick rubber where it's like, okay, I am going to attack and 230 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:10,000 Claw at the ground. You know, another example, I 231 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,400 guess would be the Evo ride that I'm holding right here, very 232 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:19,100 flat outsole. Very good for road but yeah I 233 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:21,900 would say the geometry, bending stiffness, all that's there and 234 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,000 depending on the surface that you're on, for me, like on the 235 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,800 track, I actually like a little bit of a lower profile and I 236 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,500 mean, it was on accident. Didn't this was not planned, but 237 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:35,700 I did a sixteen by 400 workout in the Saucony ride. 16 the 238 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:37,700 other day. Yeah, pieces were pretty 239 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:38,900 respectable. I think. 240 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Yeah, and it responded. It did not, it did. 241 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Alright, you know, and I mean it's a relatively firmer foam. 242 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,200 A little bit snappier in the forefoot. 243 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,200 Like, it was heavy for the track for me, but like, but it still 244 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,200 worked. Yeah. 245 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,200 It's so it's a lighter shoe, though, for a daily trainer 246 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,400 slider, and they just updated it. 247 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,200 Think the midst, the insole, I'm sorry with power and plus. 248 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,600 So that's the other It is, there's also a subjective peace 249 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,800 to this of what you're going to. Like, I think the Saucony write 250 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,700 16, as a great example is always to me been that shoe that can 251 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:12,400 handle a variety of cases, just because it is always been a 252 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,300 little lighter, the volume of the shoes, a little lower. 253 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:17,400 So it feels like there's less to carry. 254 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,000 Whereas I think a larger shoe sometimes doesn't always feel 255 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,500 like that. Sometimes it does, sometimes it 256 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,600 doesn't, but it's also got that fat slightly firmer phone. 257 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,200 Feels good. When you're picking up the pace, 258 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,800 it's not mushy, it's not Bare Bones. 259 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,600 But it can still grip and move, and that's kind of what the ride 260 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,200 has always done. So that the audio, so you're 261 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,900 bringing out, this is the audio. So, yes, it's taking a look at 262 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:41,200 stiffening agents to and creating that launched no 263 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,600 bending stiffness. Like, doesn't necessarily have 264 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,400 to have a full-on plate, to have that either. 265 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,100 And so yeah, look at the audio. They have that plastic shank and 266 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:51,900 then it kind of has that little Fork design. 267 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:55,000 So you get a little bit softer plant through the mid part of 268 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,100 the forefoot, you know, on the actual planner pressure part. 269 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,700 Yeah. And then you kind of get a 270 00:12:59,708 --> 00:13:00,900 little Bit of like a little side. 271 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:05,500 Well almost, yeah, it's kind of cool, but yeah, very Snappy very 272 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:07,700 firm you know. Very yeah. 273 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,500 So, it's again, going to be a combination of factors. 274 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:14,700 So it's going to be Hey, how well does the foam bounce back? 275 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:17,600 And that can be either a soft or firm foam which I'm going to go 276 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,600 into just a second with I think really adds to responsiveness 277 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Geometry. How rocker does it move you in 278 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:24,900 it? Does it work with your 279 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:27,800 mechanics? The stiffness, or flexibility 280 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,700 shoe, which again is going to depend on What you're using it 281 00:13:30,700 --> 00:13:32,400 for, and I agree with you. I like something a little bit 282 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,200 more flexible. When I'm, when I'm starting to 283 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,700 really move on track. I want something just a little 284 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:38,400 bit Fleck. More flexible when I'm kind of 285 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,000 trying to hold and be efficient over a long period, a little 286 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,100 stiffer can be helpful, but it's got a match, you mentioned 287 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:48,900 traction and outsole which also do that the insole as well adds 288 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,800 to the midsole, really? Because it's just that perceived 289 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,000 thing underfoot. I also want to talk about the 290 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:59,200 rate of how quickly all the shoe compresses and bounces back 291 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,000 because I great Sample. This is I have the Adidas Prime 292 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 X strung with me and it's, it's an interesting shoe. 293 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,500 What I buy it again. No, but I have it now. 294 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:13,300 So it, there's so much. Midsole, there's so much volume, 295 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:13,900 you think? Yeah. 296 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:17,900 There's tons of this newer foam. The Light Strike Pro, there's 297 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:21,800 two layers, there's energy, rods, and energy blades in here. 298 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,200 So super do first, if it's rocker all the stuff. 299 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,100 But I find this to be a bouncy ride. 300 00:14:27,108 --> 00:14:30,200 I don't find it to be a responsive ride because Cuz when 301 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,900 I think of responsibility usually thinking, like, hey if 302 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:36,100 I'm really trying to pick up the pace, does this thing bounce 303 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:39,400 with me and for longer efforts when I'm doing like a temple 304 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,600 run, this is good. But if I try to do for hundreds 305 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,100 in this, I would die the foam. Just with how much there is and 306 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:48,700 how big the shoe is. It just doesn't move as quickly 307 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:51,200 when I bounce into it. There's so much stuff. 308 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,600 It feels like it takes a second to come back because there's so 309 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,500 much foam and that's why again. More isn't better. 310 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:59,500 You have to find what works for you compared to something like 311 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:02,000 the toe. Cyclone to which Laura stack 312 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,200 still pebax. That for me feels way more 313 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,800 responsive because it's got that Snappy roll with a little more 314 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,000 flexibility. It's going to mean different 315 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,900 things to different people. I know plenty of people are 316 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:16,100 like, oh, this is, you know, the prime X strong is the most 317 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:18,700 responsive think I've ever felt like, that's great, right? 318 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:21,600 But it really comes back to how you defined. 319 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,000 It going. It's how the shoe response to 320 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,700 the load, which is going to vary depending on the person, right? 321 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:29,800 There's so now we've talked about this shoe. 322 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,000 Shoe. And this is why it's so good 323 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,900 that we have multiple reviewers on each on each shoe is because 324 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:37,000 each person is going to respond differently, right? 325 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,700 Because David you've run in the premix before. 326 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:42,000 How would you define that as a responsive shoe or would you say 327 00:15:42,300 --> 00:15:45,000 that's not necessarily what you might be looking for? 328 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,200 If you're gonna I would say it's responsive. 329 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,200 Yeah, I it was a scary shoe. Yeah, it scares you. 330 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,100 It was it was a shoe that I was a little worried about breaking 331 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:58,400 an ankle on. Yeah. 332 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:04,300 Especially on the cambered roads and things like that, but II 333 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:09,600 didn't push the shoe down into like those 5K 10K like Paces. 334 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,600 You know, I really only kept it at maybe half marathon pace. 335 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,200 So I wasn't able to when I tried. 336 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,200 I was just like this is just you just respond. 337 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:22,000 There's a lot going on. Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad 338 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,100 shoe. Just saying it now. 339 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:27,000 And yeah, it wasn't what I wanted if I was looking for a 340 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,200 responsive shoe for me. Right? 341 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,200 And some people like that. More Nimble feel. 342 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,200 Yeah, and for them like that traditional racing flat, you 343 00:16:35,208 --> 00:16:38,900 were describing real low, you have relatively flexible. 344 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:43,000 Not a lot of foam on it with a decent amount of traction Under 345 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,700 Foot, you know, like some people they that connection to the 346 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:48,900 ground to them is the response or like they're super light on 347 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:51,500 foot, they're just like, let's go, you know? 348 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:54,200 And then sometimes if someone maybe we'll see, maybe their 349 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,400 Cadence is a little bit slower, they don't, they're not quite as 350 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,900 Nimble, and they like to use there. 351 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,500 Joints as like these long lever arms, to really kind of pull 352 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,300 themselves, you know? For it like they might respond a 353 00:17:05,308 --> 00:17:08,700 lot better to some of these higher ones to depending on, you 354 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:10,300 know, how fast we're trying to go. 355 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:12,200 But right. Yeah. 356 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,500 So that goes into, who, what does responsiveness mean to each 357 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:17,800 person? So just going to kind of be a 358 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,300 couple of mechanics, where different people might respond 359 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,300 differently. One of them is obviously 360 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:24,099 Cadence, right? And you're the length of your 361 00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:26,200 lover of your lover, right? How long your legs are 362 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:28,200 different. People move in different ways. 363 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,100 We're seeing more companies. To go you know it do different 364 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:33,100 shoes work differently. Do we need to have two different 365 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,100 models models with your different people? 366 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,500 How each person is going to respond. 367 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:40,500 We're still trying to learn and no Asics just to throw a name 368 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,400 out. Was trying the Cadence forces 369 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:45,200 stride model. I think that may have worked for 370 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,600 some people may not have worked for others, because different 371 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,200 people said, hey, I've got a super high Cadence, and I'm 372 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,200 really, really enjoying the sky. And other people said, I have a 373 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,000 super long stride. I'm loving the edges. 374 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,100 Like, okay, well, maybe we need to I see where they're going. 375 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:58,100 I see what they're trying, right? 376 00:17:58,100 --> 00:17:59,200 There's still some work that needs. 377 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,000 Be that they still had two solid shoes, the gay people options. 378 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,400 There is another factor that I don't know. 379 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,200 It's much harder dresses like the inherent stiffness of the 380 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,100 person, right? So how when they land, it's not 381 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:15,700 just the shoe, it's the person's body. 382 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:18,300 That's going to help them. Perceive what they feel 383 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,800 underfoot, which is why we have a variety of reviewers, write 384 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:26,100 something that I might respond well to David Nathan, Andrea 385 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:28,700 Bach. BJ, any of our team members may 386 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:31,400 not have the The same response due to stuff like joint 387 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,500 stiffness or muscles muscles. Muscular tension is stiffness or 388 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:37,500 how quickly your nervous system responds when you hit the 389 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:40,200 ground. Some people like me a super soft 390 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,600 shoe. I don't do superhot in I've 391 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,100 honestly really struggle with shoes, like the vapor fly to get 392 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:49,700 them to work for me because the foam at least, well, the recent 393 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:51,600 one, I actually tried on was a little firmer and I was like, 394 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,000 oh, I kind of like that, but some of the original ones had so 395 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,600 much bounce to them. And they were so soft that I 396 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,200 just kind of And then I couldn't pop out of them because I don't 397 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,400 tend to be as stiff. Whereas I might argue David. 398 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,000 You correct me if I'm wrong, you got much more Snappy mechanics, 399 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,100 so that might be something you perceive differently because you 400 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,900 have to remember that responsiveness is a subjective 401 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,500 perception at the end of the day, even though we're trying to 402 00:19:17,508 --> 00:19:22,000 Define it, mechanically it is subjective, right, right? 403 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,500 That there's a lot that goes into this and that's why we say 404 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:26,000 an art, and a science. Yeah. 405 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,700 Because you have things that you can quantify and in My lab, it 406 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,900 looks great and then you put it on a real person and then that's 407 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:35,500 ultimately the real test. You know, is how is this doing 408 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:38,300 in the field? How are people like in this shoe 409 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,300 and just because a certain shoe may not work for you? 410 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:44,700 Specifically like you said earlier, it may work for someone 411 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:46,900 else and so you kind of look at the mass as you can see like 412 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:51,700 okay how is this doing overall? But yeah I look at 413 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,000 responsiveness like as an experience and that could also 414 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,500 very. Yes, it's good. 415 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:58,100 I like the like when we're talking about responsiveness, 416 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:01,200 you might not want it. To be quote unquote, more 417 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,700 responsive, I think, of looking at likes, let's say a track 418 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:08,000 race. And I'm looking at, let's say 419 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,900 the Nike Victory 3, versus the Nike dragonfly. 420 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,100 So, yeah. For those of those that Dino 421 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:16,800 tracks bikes, you'll know what I'm talking about. 422 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,300 If you don't know track spikes, when you look at it. 423 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,600 So, the victory 3 has that airbag in the forefoot, a much 424 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,200 sharper. Spike plate, a little bit less 425 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,900 Zoo, Max. I think I'm pretty sure and just 426 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:30,600 a much. Much more aggressive profile and 427 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,700 a carbon plate. And when you look at the 428 00:20:32,708 --> 00:20:36,800 dragonfly little bit, less dramatic design, it's kind of a 429 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,400 more traditional kind of Spike plate. 430 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,700 Pebax bike plate pebax plate that runs through the heel. 431 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:45,900 So P, Ducks, not we're talking plastic, we're not talking 432 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:50,500 carbon, you know, do next foam minimal upper, they both have 433 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:53,600 pretty minimal a, but the experience you get from the to 434 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600 one of them is like, I don't know if my calves can hang for 435 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,200 longer than like, 1,200 meters in the Thing versus like 436 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,400 dragonfly. I feel like I can take 5K pretty 437 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,800 comfortably, but that might not be the same for someone else. 438 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,100 Depending on the mechanics. Like, simple. 439 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:10,700 My really like that stiff up front on your forefoot type 440 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:14,200 profile and I don't know if it's just me getting older but I 441 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:17,600 can't I can't do that as much anymore. 442 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,400 Man. I was looking track 10 km 443 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,600 looking at the Avanti of all these much more forgiving than 444 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,100 the dragonfly. When you look at the profile, I 445 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:28,500 can tell you from what I'm seeing initially with collect 446 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,400 data Inform us on my dissertation. 447 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,600 For those that don't know, is on Masters Runners and trying to 448 00:21:32,608 --> 00:21:34,000 figure out what's happening as we get older. 449 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,900 And one of the things that I'm kind of seeing consistently as 450 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:40,100 we lose gasps Frank like, oh yeah, that would explain it for 451 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,100 those interested one of the challenges. 452 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:43,500 So I'm in my pilot study right now. 453 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:46,300 I'm just getting like, whoever whether you're, you know, not 454 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:48,800 any specific pathology, but the full study is looking at, hey, 455 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,300 those who have Achilles and calf issues, in those who don't one 456 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,600 of the challenges I'm running into and I'm asking. 457 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,800 So, my subjects is pretty, and I'm because I'm looking at 50 to 458 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,000 70. Five-year-old Runners, every 459 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,700 single one that's coming and going. 460 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,200 Yeah, I've had some calf easier to kill his problems in the past 461 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,700 and like, great, I don't know. I'm gonna fight anybody. 462 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:10,300 That doesn't have this. So yeah, it, it's one of the 463 00:22:10,308 --> 00:22:11,600 things that happens is we get older. 464 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,700 But what I'm hearing, you transition to is, when do you 465 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,600 want this? And when you don't, and what we 466 00:22:16,608 --> 00:22:19,300 don't want, people think, oh, I want the most responsive shoe 467 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,100 all the time, right? It's a tool. 468 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:22,500 It's something you might want some time. 469 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,200 Might want you might you might not and you actually get a great 470 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,200 example. So I'm going to put you on the 471 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,700 spot and go between the zoom Victory and the dragonfly, which 472 00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:34,500 one do you find more responsive and I'm going to clarify that? 473 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:38,000 That's not necessarily a good thing for everything, but which 474 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,100 one do you find more responsive of those tracks bikes? 475 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,000 Depends on the event, we're looking at. 476 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,500 But I probably think I'm just going to say, all right, I'm 477 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,000 going to go there overall overall before we go there. 478 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,000 I mean, the that Victory is fast. 479 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:52,000 It's got it. Okay. 480 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,000 So what what I'm hearing is you got the carbon plate, you got to 481 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,200 way more aggressive set up carbon plates to get the plates 482 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,900 is not everything. What I'm hearing is way more 483 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:02,700 aggressive. Way more responsive from the 484 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,400 victory, but you're hesitating going. 485 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,900 That's not what I would use. So when I came thing is 400 800 486 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:14,200 at the longest 1500, you know, I couldn't even think of doing a 487 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,900 5k got it. So just because something is way 488 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:20,600 more responsive doesn't necessarily mean, that's what 489 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,900 you want, because shoes are tools and you got to have the 490 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,800 right tool for the job. So why you said it earlier? 491 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,700 But you're going to choose the dragonfly, which is a phenomenal 492 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,000 Spike. Like but it seems to be less 493 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,100 responsive compared to this other Spike. 494 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:37,200 Why would you choose the less responsive of the to, for what 495 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,300 you're doing? Yeah, I just think the profile 496 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:43,500 is a little bit more forgiving. I think, at the paces, I'm 497 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:47,900 running a 5k is fast, but it's still a controllable Pace. 498 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,400 You know, you should be able to dictate your body a little bit 499 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,700 more, whereas like let's say an 800, you're going out hard, 500 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:56,100 you're you're going to finish hard. 501 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,900 It's over and I mean On how fast your running less than two 502 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:04,600 minutes, you know, like it's a quick race. 503 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,900 There's not really that much room for changing of pace or 504 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,800 getting in Rhythm. Like you're kind of just going 505 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,100 with what the race gives you. The 1500 gets a little bit more 506 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:16,900 of that but it's still fast from the gun. 507 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:19,500 You're still running, you know, I mean, depending on what your 508 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:24,800 times are going for, but you're running fast but 5K, you notice, 509 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:29,600 there's a pretty massive shift in tactics and how How you run a 510 00:24:29,608 --> 00:24:32,900 5k. And a lot of it is, is 511 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:36,700 controlling yourself, you know, being disciplined, being strong, 512 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:38,700 when it gets hard, I mean, that's in every race. 513 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:42,600 But like, you notice people - split five k's way more than 514 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,500 you'll notice people's - split 815 hundreds. 515 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:49,100 Yeah. So like there's a way of 516 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:50,800 running. It doesn't always have to be 517 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000 negative split like there's plenty of great ways of running 518 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,800 5Ks but the point is that you can control your body a little 519 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800 bit more, you're a little bit more in control of what you're 520 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,900 doing. You know, like you kind of have 521 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:05,700 a say each lap and you can kind of check in and I think as I get 522 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:09,000 a little bit more tired or even just the pace in general, I'm 523 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,700 not quite as aggressively striking either. 524 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,500 So I think the the way the profile of that spike is it just 525 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:21,200 flows smoother at that pace for me and the same thing goes for 526 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,600 the Adidas Avanti if I was doing a track 10K tomorrow that's 527 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,900 probably I would choose that over the vapor fly. 528 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:30,100 I mean I don't reply dragonfly Buy for myself. 529 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,300 And so it's the same thing when you go to the roads, right? 530 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:36,100 Like what you choose for a road 5K might be different than what 531 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:40,300 you choose for a half. Marathon versus a marathon and 532 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:42,400 it might be the same shoe for all of them, and that's great. 533 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,400 If it is you found a shoe that response for you, you know, like 534 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,200 that you you're a responder right? 535 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,200 Like, even heard this term before and so there's, there's 536 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,000 definitely a subjective piece to it. 537 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,400 But I think, you know, all the companies are doing their best 538 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,000 to quantify, what they're doing. They're coming out. 539 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,900 Pretty good product right now. I mean, I can pretty confidently 540 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:06,100 say that across the board they're all responsive poppy 541 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,300 shoes, you know, and they all kind of have their strengths and 542 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,500 weaknesses and different areas and depending on the runner they 543 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:15,600 may respond to a given shoe a little bit differently and 544 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,100 better in one company versus another, regardless of what that 545 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,900 logo looks like. So what I'm hearing is again, 546 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,600 so, let's expand this and you jumped into this on the road 547 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,500 because most people are going to be doing more Road stuff than 548 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:29,000 track unless you're still, you know. 549 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,200 No post-collegiate or your college or High School athlete. 550 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,200 Most people are going to be doing more Road stuff. 551 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,400 So, when what I'm hearing is, when you say you are were super 552 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,800 responsive shoe, it's a tool, write your mechanics in your 553 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,700 speed need to match that. There's some variation, some 554 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:46,900 people get away with that. But like a shoe that you're 555 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:50,800 going to want for like a mile or 5K on the road, may not be the 556 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,600 same shoe you want for a marathon. 557 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000 There are some people write, like, good example, there's some 558 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,500 people who love the vapor fly and they use it for all 559 00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,000 distances and that's great, right? 560 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600 But a lot of people had a great example to was at the Reebok. 561 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Float:right energy Pro, that you knew someone that ran marathons 562 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,500 in there. Oh yeah. 563 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,200 That's goes like this group while 5K. 564 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,800 Yeah, half marathon. Mary. 565 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,800 Yeah, that was like that. Three-point not Reebok. 566 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,500 We are you with that. You want to load is a sweep 567 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,900 likes. Crazy, lightweight shoe, three 568 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,600 point nine ounces. I got to look at that. 569 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Yeah, but Reebok, come on. Where are you guys? 570 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,400 We did, guys, guys, like you had something good and just hear it 571 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,200 coming. I'm sure. 572 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,000 All right I'm sure. All right, I will be paid. 573 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,300 Sorry but the action of some cool stuff coming this video. 574 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,900 So yeah I knew of someone that would this super light he back 575 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,000 super low to the ground 3.9 else racer which was came out of the 576 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,100 blue at that time was couple years ago, would run a mile and 577 00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,300 race marathons in the same shoe and that's great. 578 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,200 Most people aren't going to do that that shoe is going to be 579 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,400 probably out of bounds for most people except maybe doing some 580 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600 short tracks such as getting used to it, whereas they need 581 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,200 something with way more cushioning way, less aggressive 582 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,300 for a marathon, some people can handle It. 583 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:03,100 But most people, when you assume Progressive Shoe super 584 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:06,500 responsive shoe, unless you have the mechanics in the control to 585 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,600 handle it is going to be better at shorter distances like 5K 1 586 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,800 mile. Whereas when you go up to the 587 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,000 marathon, you might want something totally different. 588 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,200 That's why when people come to us asking, hey, I have this 589 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,800 super duper shoe. You know, I'm curious if this is 590 00:28:20,808 --> 00:28:22,800 going to carry me through a marathon like you got a test 591 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,200 that if you can't handle that thing, doing some of your long 592 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,500 runs, you probably shouldn't use that on your Marathon. 593 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:30,400 You might want to go with A lightweight trainer or a little 594 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,200 less aggressive shoe if you want to finish. 595 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,300 Because just because you have the most responsive thing, 596 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,300 doesn't mean your body is going to agree with that at Mile 20, 597 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,200 right? You got to be able to control it 598 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,400 and it's the same thing with training, right? 599 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,600 So people are like, hey why don't I trained in some of these 600 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,000 shoes all the time? You may not want that balance 601 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,600 and aggressiveness when you're trying to recover and we talked 602 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,000 about this in the previous episode where we're getting some 603 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200 of these super trainers that are coming out and they're great, 604 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,400 they're super fun. They seem to make us a little 605 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,500 less or but if you're One that can't control yourself on easy 606 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,300 days because you need to make sure your body, like, recovers 607 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,300 on an easy day. That's the whole point. 608 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,900 If you can't control that and you start picking up pace, could 609 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:11,900 it feels good. You start ripping out like way 610 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:13,300 too fast and easy, Iran than, yeah. 611 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:14,900 You don't need a responsive shoe. 612 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,700 You need something that feels good. 613 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,800 Cushions you or whatever you whether you want Kushner, not 614 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,200 just helps you get through the mileage and recover so that's 615 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,500 when you're not going to want responsive Sue. 616 00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,300 So super responsive. Yeah, aggressive when you're 617 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:29,600 running super. Fast. 618 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,800 But when you're doing your daily miles or running easy, you're 619 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,100 not going to want something super responsive because super 620 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,400 responsive means, more aggressive. 621 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,400 If you can't control it and can't handle how the shoe is 622 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,400 responding to you. During those places, you 623 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,600 shouldn't be looking at that. So just because responsive 624 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600 doesn't mean it should be on your feet every day. 625 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,500 Some people can handle it, some people don't. 626 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,500 So that the next question goes to who would want response. 627 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:59,400 I was super responsive shoe and who would not want to Of she 628 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,000 obviously is going to depend, what I'm going to throw that in 629 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,700 your court and see. What do you think on that 630 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,500 question? Yeah, I mean responsiveness in 631 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,000 some ways does kind of fall in line with performance. 632 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,300 I think when you're looking to perform, you want to shoe that 633 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:12,800 you respond. Well to, and that doesn't always 634 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,500 mean a super shoe. I know someone that's run a very 635 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,700 fast marathon in. What did they run it in? 636 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:20,700 It was, I think it was the Bondi. 637 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,200 Okay, with the time I've seen this guy, rip some crazy runs in 638 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,300 the bond. Well, you have time for the race 639 00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:29,400 again, a bomb. I don't know. 640 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200 It was like under 220. I'm pretty sure my gosh, it was 641 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,000 like it was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that's impressive. 642 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,100 Yeah, I've seen I've seen some impressive runs in the banda 643 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,000 proud. I keep joking, it's Bondi world 644 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,200 record, but that's the kind of person that like, just that, 645 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,600 like, that's some somebody. Yeah, somebody all. 646 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,200 Let's runs gonna rip him and be like, oh, how fast would this 647 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,800 person be? I assumed it was a him. 648 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,900 I'm sorry. I want to know this, you know, 649 00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,100 this person would be so much faster if they were this super 650 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,500 shoot. You don't know that, right? 651 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,500 That just might be what Jack for their mechanics. 652 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:07,100 Oh yeah, I remember one time I can't do this, man, we're 653 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,400 running, he's like, yeah. No, I ran my PR and trainers. 654 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,600 I was like, wait, what? Like, you didn't read like this 655 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,700 is at a time when everybody and their mother was wearing Vapor 656 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,700 Flies, you know, right, I guess we're still kind of in that 657 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,700 time, we caught her in the face till but like, Hey, we're 658 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:25,700 talking 2017 2018. You know, like all power to you, 659 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:27,300 right? What, again, that's a great 660 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:29,800 example and this is not everyone but There's going to be a good 661 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,400 number of people who hey a marathon a trainer is going to 662 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,500 work. Just fine. 663 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,500 And you know don't judge people it's it what works for people's 664 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:39,800 going to be very, very different. 665 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:45,100 So you the end of the day shoes or tools, you need something 666 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,900 that's going to get you through the Finish Line. 667 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,700 What get you might get you to the Finish Line in a mile or 5K 668 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:53,300 may not be the same thing as a marathon, right? 669 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,200 Because that's it just depends on your mechanic. 670 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,200 So somebody if you like super aggressive shoes, if you That 671 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,600 feeling you got. The can you can handle 672 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,700 controlling that following mileage. 673 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:02,800 Yeah. Then you might want to 674 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,300 responsive shoe but I think when it comes to newer Runners 675 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:12,500 especially or those who just don't respond well to Super 676 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:16,700 aggressive bouncy, super Dwight shoes like that then you're not 677 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,100 going to want that and I want to go back to what I what I said 678 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,900 earlier because each person's performance is going to be is 679 00:32:20,908 --> 00:32:23,100 going to depend. That's why we encourage you 680 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,200 don't drink the Kool-Aid. Yes, we get excited about this. 681 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,100 Just like anybody else but you got to find what works for you 682 00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:30,900 but Newer Runners. I'm going to really encourage to 683 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,600 stay away from these really aggressive shoes. 684 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,500 You are barely learning how to run and the more responsive and 685 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,800 aggressive issue. Is the more you got to be able 686 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,900 to control that if you don't and you barely can control your own 687 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:45,000 mechanics, you really should not be using this kind of shoe. 688 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,600 You should be using a, a more gentle less responsive shoe that 689 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,400 feels comfortable and gets you through your mileage, right? 690 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,800 Because like we said, responsiveness are definite, 691 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,100 David's definition, he gets credit for this is how the 692 00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:59,700 reshoe. Under load. 693 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,300 If you have something that bounces back too much, you can 694 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,300 control up, that's not good, right? 695 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:06,700 Because then you might not finish your run and so that's 696 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,700 kind of the goal. So you want to know, you know, 697 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,900 for a marathon are you paid 200 something bucks or Marathon you 698 00:33:10,908 --> 00:33:14,400 want to finish, right? So you got to pick that tool 699 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,900 wisely, and there's a lot of subjective stuff to this, so 700 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,200 don't freak out. If your buddy running buddies 701 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,900 like, yeah, I bought XU and it was the most responsive thing. 702 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,300 I love. It's my favorite thing, might 703 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:27,400 not work for you. You might go run a 219 at Al 704 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,800 Bundy II, don't think. I will be running. 705 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,400 It's, you know, anything in the bottle that I can't even run to 706 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,200 19 in anything. I don't think with rockets on my 707 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,500 legs attached. What able to run that? 708 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:40,700 So more power to it, but it was funny cause you brought up the 709 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,100 thing about the mile, 20 versus another Mile. 710 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:45,600 And I had that exact conversation a couple weeks ago 711 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,100 with the new shoe that we were trying and one of my friends 712 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,400 turning is how do you like those? 713 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,800 And I was like, well, I like my my late. 714 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,200 We'll see if I like it at Mile 20. 715 00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:59,500 You don't know. They'll turn him back right now, 716 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:01,600 you know, right. We're gonna find out what's 717 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,300 right? And that's one of the things 718 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,600 that Michael Tony that's good. That's one of the things. 719 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,800 Again, I we say this all the time that, you know, just 720 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000 because it's super bouncy responsive, doesn't mean your 721 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,400 body is going to like that at the later stages of some of 722 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,800 these long races. You do not know that. 723 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:19,600 So you got to go find out and that's going to be a very 724 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,500 different experience. So, I know we're kind of moving 725 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,300 on from defining responsiveness, but all I hope what people take 726 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:28,699 away from this. Is that the more you don't 727 00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,699 necessarily want the most responsive shoe for everything 728 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,300 that has a time and place you got to figure out if this that 729 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:40,100 term or that concept is matching what you're looking for at a 730 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,500 given Pace. What do you think? 731 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,800 Yeah, I like driving a Formula One car on, you know, you're 732 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,300 downtown local Road. Probably it's not that it's not 733 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,800 ideal but like there's a time and place for these types of 734 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,500 things. Yeah, and and there there's a 735 00:34:58,508 --> 00:35:03,600 person for each shoe, you know, and like I was one of those guys 736 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,100 Vapor fly, didn't really work for me, you know, and next 737 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:10,100 percent to still kind of doesn't, you know? 738 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,000 It doesn't, it doesn't like the Run well on it, but I don't 739 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,100 like, I don't like my experience in it. 740 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,800 Like, I, that's kind of like, I'm running fast, that's because 741 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,400 your heart will always will always be taken by the Alpha Phi 742 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,500 1. You had that photo again. 743 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,500 Step earlier we like, hey, good track spike. 744 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,000 No, but Alpha flight. Yeah, we're going to just 745 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,900 kidding. Yeah, but with the other fly 746 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,100 there, like I feel it though. I remember we're talking about 747 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:30,600 like that. Yeah, that's where I like. 748 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,000 Yeah. Feel like I'm doing something. 749 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,800 Like, I'm getting propelled like this shoe. 750 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,800 I'm responding to this shoe. I just don't feel that in the 751 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,900 vapor fly for myself. Yeah and other people are going 752 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,300 to feel that. I personally because of for my 753 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:48,000 mechanics the instability of the vapor fly doesn't work for me 754 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,400 like I can't get that, you know it doesn't respond my load. 755 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,700 Instead my foot is going all over the place right mechanics 756 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,300 so that's why Why this term is going to be very different for 757 00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,300 each person we can have scientific things. 758 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,200 Like, what's the foam resiliency? 759 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,200 Or what's the shoe? Like economy that's been given? 760 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,500 If you're testing a large number of subjects but what that's 761 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:11,200 going to mean to each person? I know everyone. 762 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,200 This is what students hate is we say it depends on the time but 763 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,900 it really does, right? It's and again it also depends 764 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:18,700 on who you are and what you're looking for. 765 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,600 I like the car analogy. By the way, like for me, how do 766 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400 I say this nicely? I'm Decent driver. 767 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:31,500 I'm not the best driver. So I really shouldn't be allowed 768 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,300 to drive a McLaren or something like that or a Lamborghini. 769 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,100 Because on a side street, I'm probably going to run that into 770 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:40,000 a pole because I'll be losing 10. 771 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:47,200 So you don't like I need a small tank like a complex, a big guy. 772 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,700 Yeah. Like a Honda Civic or like, you 773 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,500 know, small a compact SUV, kind of car that can take a little 774 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:55,100 beating. I can get some miles on it. 775 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,800 I can handle him. Be scraping some curbs, right? 776 00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,000 You can't do that in a Lamborghini, right? 777 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,900 Do you do that like that, that dent cause you know, who knows? 778 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:05,100 How much? And that's a great analogy. 779 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,000 Like, let's say you're in the LA area. 780 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 I mean, I'm yeah. Santa Barbara, we're close 781 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000 enough. Oh, gosh. 782 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,600 That's a of tomorrow at 6 a.m. you had a call and you have to 783 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,700 go to San Francisco, and you can choose any car, you want to go 784 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,500 to San Francisco and you gotta go up to 5. 785 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,700 Are you going to go? Grab the Ferrari? 786 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:26,500 Are you going to go and more go for Comfort? 787 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,800 I'm going to go for Comfort, right? 788 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,600 Kick my butt. That's going to drive. 789 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,200 I've been driven, I've got to drive a Lamborghini before, and 790 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,600 it was a very cool Xterra fighting experience. 791 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 But those seats were not comfortable. 792 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,700 Like I get, it's like there. She can go fast, you don't die. 793 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,400 But I'm like, I wouldn't want. This is right? 794 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,800 Like, mix my like that's the best analogy, right? 795 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,700 Like if we're going six hours and you want to choose Comfort 796 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,800 over, Quote, unquote for fragments, you know, because 797 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,300 that's what responds to you, then that makes sense that's 798 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,800 versus if I want to go to a racetrack and I want to go as 799 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,500 fast as possible. Yeah, that's probably what I'm 800 00:38:02,508 --> 00:38:05,900 going to choose, right? So, it's again, going to vary on 801 00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:07,700 who you are, what? And you know what? 802 00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,200 There's probably someone who can take a McLaren or a Lamborghini 803 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,300 and peel it from LA to San Francisco, and has the consider 804 00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:20,000 the driving ability that I don't know if my students when I'm 805 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,900 driving what Driving to campus, like what? 806 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,100 That swerving Honda Fit. Oh, that's dr. 807 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,000 Klein okay, never mind. I'm just kidding. 808 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,000 Yeah, me, when I drive an l.a., any time ever the city? 809 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:34,700 Yeah, that's a whole other podcast. 810 00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:37,500 I'm driving in Las Vegas. Put getting used to it. 811 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:40,700 So, back pulling us back on topic. 812 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:45,200 So we're defining responsiveness as how a reshoe response to 813 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,200 load. How a shoe is going to respond 814 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,900 to you and how you're going to respond to this. 815 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,500 And when you white month want that is going to vary quite a 816 00:38:55,508 --> 00:38:57,600 bit. So what we hope that people take 817 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,400 away is that there's different ways that shoes can do this in 818 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,800 two ways. You can do this, you still have 819 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,800 to decide, is this tool appropriate for you and what 820 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,200 you're going to use it for. So a shoe you might use for Mi 821 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,100 may not be the same shoes that you're going to use for a 822 00:39:11,108 --> 00:39:14,100 marathon or an ultra marathon. And that's why we always say 823 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:16,300 shoes are tools, right? So you got to figure out what 824 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:19,600 works for you, whether that's the best thing, we hope that 825 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,300 clarifies this, Is there anything else you would add to 826 00:39:22,308 --> 00:39:24,600 that? No, I think, I think we got, 827 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,900 right, and if there's anything we missed, feel free to leave it 828 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:29,300 in the comments and yet, leave it in comments to get back to 829 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,000 it. Yeah, subjective again. 830 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,800 What do you think it means, right? 831 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,100 How would you define it? There's a lot of pieces to it. 832 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000 We always try to simplify something down, but sometimes 833 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,400 it's not possible. So that's what we think of 834 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,800 responsiveness. We always appreciate, appreciate 835 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,800 appreciate, appreciate people, listening fall in Long, whatever 836 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,400 medium that you choose to. Listen, watch or read. 837 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,700 And as always, we have a New stuff coming. 838 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,400 We appreciate if you would follow along. 839 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,400 Let us know what you think. Always feel free to shoot us an 840 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,700 email. We're always curious to hear 841 00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,100 what people think. We'll, how they're enjoying 842 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,700 stuff. Feel free to comment whether 843 00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:03,300 you're on YouTube Spotify. Let us know what you think. 844 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600 Leave a review. It does help us and you can 845 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400 follow us on any of the channels were on Facebook. 846 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,600 Instagram LinkedIn think box is hitting up. 847 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,700 The Tick-Tock in the Twitter. You guys kind of stuff. 848 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:17,100 Yeah, so he's been keeping keeping it real on on every 849 00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,200 different medium so follow us along. 850 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,400 We've got some cool stuff coming. 851 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,000 We got some cool projects this year. 852 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,600 I'm really excited. So, stick around, we'll have 853 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000 more stuff and we'll be even more responsive. 854 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:39,600 You can handle it. Let's dump the ant but whatever 855 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000 it's fine. It's fine, it's fine, I'll help 856 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,900 the artist. Lee hope, the b.j. and Nathan 857 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,700 listen is like, oh my gosh, she really say that like yes, that 858 00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:47,500 was. That's me.