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Visit stride.com and see how 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Stride powers your plan to the finish line. 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,160 Hello everybody, and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast 13 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,560 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discussed the 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,960 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,680 feet. Today at the round table, we 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,520 have the founder of Doctors of Running, Doctor Matthew Klein, 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,680 we have Doctor David Salas and myself I'll be hosting, I'm 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,920 Nathan Brown, and today we are going to be continuing to go 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,160 through questions that we got from a special mailbag that 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,680 kicked off our 250th episode. We have so many questions from 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,720 you all that we wanted to keep going through some of those 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,040 questions. So that's what we're going to be 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,720 doing the three of us today. But before we get there, this 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,520 segment is powered by and fueled by Scratch Labs. 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 If you want to get 20% off your first order, you can use the 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,040 code Doctors of Running, but we are going to be talking about 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,200 what shoes we are currently testing and what is on our feet. 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,880 So, Matt, I know you have a bunch of shoes that you want to 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,320 talk about, so why don't you kick us off? 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,560 Can I give a shout out to Scratch really quick? 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,480 Something I realized and no people. 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,600 No. OK, fine. 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,680 I'll keep going. People in the comments are might 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,280 look at me like you're an idiot. How did you not know this? 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,520 And so I accept that, but I recently started taking the the 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:53,840 gosh, why am I forgetting the name? 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,040 They're like hyper calorie mix. the Super. 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Yeah, the Super. Yeah, Yeah. 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,080 I mean, I've had it before, but I just finally started taking it 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,840 long runs, like having, you know, pushing a stroller. 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,680 Obviously, I've always made sure it had some kind of 42 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,240 carbohydrate. But it wasn't until this weekend 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,800 that I finally went, OK, you know what? 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,280 I'm going to use the because I I only run at this only we our 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,520 long runs are like 12 miles now. And this is coming from someone, 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,440 you know, I was pacing my wife through 30 miles of long runs. 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Not like, you know, a couple years ago. 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,280 So 12 didn't seem that much. But then I just get didn't 49 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,320 factor in pushing 55 to 60 lbs in front of me. 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,320 The high carb mix made such a difference and I was like, wow, 51 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,280 this is so much better. And I feel dumb not going I the 52 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,440 watch is not accurate because the watch has no idea that I'm 53 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,080 pushing. This is like, we're using a lot 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,160 more fuel than I thought. And so yeah, also felt a lot 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,880 better later. So that's, know what you're 56 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,640 burning, know what your fuel fuel needs are. 57 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:54,080 Even if the watch can't pick it up because we're all different. 58 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,280 You'd factor in, you know, the variable. 59 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,400 So high carb. Awesome, great. 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,560 I've only been hyping that mix up for how long now? 61 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,920 Yeah. Right. 62 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:06,000 When I when Regina, I were doing her ultra stuff, yeah, it made 63 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,520 sense. I'm like, it's and then you 64 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,560 know, that's it's the a mileage or time doesn't necessarily 65 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,720 mean, oh, this is how many calories you need. 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,440 There's other variables that go in that I was not too dumb to 67 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,440 consider. Yeah. 68 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,400 Well, fun fact for you all, this has nothing to do with what 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,680 we're testing right now. But if you happen to hear 70 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,400 singing and wonderful music, it's because Jana is upstairs 71 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,520 with our current room and they are watching Wicked so. 72 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,760 If you hear, is it frozen? No, it's not frozen. 73 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,080 I think that's. What goes on in my house? 74 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,520 Yeah, so they're going to be listening. 75 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,720 The wicked is on. So if you hear that you're I 76 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,040 guess you're welcome. But also sorry if you actually 77 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,120 wanted to hear our. Conversation. 78 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,880 The song. Either way, that one hits. 79 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,360 I I've never seen Wicked and. I I saw it in theaters, you 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,720 should. I said, well, I said to Jan, I'm 81 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,360 like, she's like, do you want us to wait for you? 82 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,960 I was like, I definitely want to watch it with you. 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,080 So if you'll do it as like another date night with me 84 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,840 later, like have fun tonight, you know, watching. 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,440 So ma'am, what have you been testing? 86 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 OK, so got a lot of stuff in. I do want to give a shout out. 87 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,800 We already have a written review on the socket and hurricane 25. 88 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,400 I will admit I didn't really like this shoe when it first 89 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,079 landed. I did like the fit was better. 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,079 The override is much better than the original. 91 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:22,800 It's better transition lighter. I just the power on PB just it's 92 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,920 good. It just felt too mushy after 50 93 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,000 miles in the shoe. It's getting more responsive. 94 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,360 I think it's because it's flattened down. 95 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,560 I'm not getting as much compression getting a little bit 96 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,680 more bounce out of it. So it's just another one of 97 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,240 those examples of I'm glad I I take a lot of shoes to a decent 98 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,840 number of miles and I'm glad I took this one. 99 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,920 It does take some time to break in. 100 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,040 I'm glad I got that. But since there's we're already 101 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,920 reviewed that one, I'll have to do maybe 100 mile update. 102 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,080 The ones that I'm really excited to talk about is I grabbed a 103 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,520 pair of the Adidas Adizero primates strung 3 and it is a 104 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,680 different shoe. It's still massive. 105 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,320 It still makes me worried that I'm going to like rupture every 106 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,200 single lateral collateral ligament on my ankle every time 107 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,680 I turn but completely different Updated foams version 2 I loved 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,400 because it had so much lateral bias. 109 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,600 It basically felt like a medial stability shoe. 110 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,400 This one changes that where midfoot kind of gets that 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,880 they've taken away a lot of that bias except for the heel still 112 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,920 has a large curve and I've noticed that this one you got to 113 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,360 use this one just right if getting up on your toes really 114 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,480 doesn't feel good. In fact, the plate like it's the 115 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,640 plates actually, because there's a carbon plate and there's rods 116 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,360 in this thing. You could actually somewhat see 117 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,480 that getting up here doesn't feel as good landing rear foot. 118 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,320 It just propels you for is a great long run shoe. 119 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,480 So this and the high carb mix made me feel great for the long 120 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,240 run yesterday. And I will say I'm going to give 121 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,200 my wife a hard time. She always like we'll do a race 122 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,040 or a super hard workout and then she wants to do a fat like an up 123 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,280 tempo long run the next day and I'm like just like dying. 124 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,080 So there's every little bit of help is is appreciated so good 125 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,240 excited to get more miles in this and get a full review, but 126 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,720 it's different than the last version for sure other ones that 127 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,480 I have in I just did literally right before this did a workout 128 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,560 in the Takumi Sen 11. This shoe is is it may look the 129 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,280 same. It does not feel the same as the 130 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:11,800 previous versions. There's a new of the I think 131 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,800 it's a light traction. I'm going to say that wrong 132 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,200 outsole. It's so much better and it does 133 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,520 grip. It's noticeably like grips both 134 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,520 the track and road very well and the midsole, even though they 135 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,720 say it's light, so much softer and so much bounce here. 136 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,480 This is probably the first time in the entire the more recent to 137 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,440 creamy sun lineup that I'd be like, yeah, this is like that. 138 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200 It's like super shoot like stiffening agent really nice 139 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,200 bouncy foam. Other phones weren't terrible. 140 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,440 They just weren't as bouncy as I would have liked and it just it 141 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,280 felt a lot better. Not stable. 142 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,880 The I am like rolling off this medial midfoot here, but the 143 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,240 midsole and the setup is so much better and I really enjoyed it. 144 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,440 And the last one that I actually haven't worn yet that I'm 145 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,040 excited to and see what happens is the Brooks Hyperion Elite 5. 146 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,680 We did not test the Hyperion Elite PB. 147 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,320 Hyperion Elite Elite 4 PB actually can't talk. 148 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,080 But I'm really excited what people up in Seattle have done 149 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,080 with this shoe. I am very nervous about how 150 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,840 narrow this mid foot is. So I was and this is me whining. 151 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,000 I was hoping for this to be like the original versions where at 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,400 least with the Super phone where maybe you would be stable, 153 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,520 although the originals were just not bouncy. 154 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,120 But we'll have to see how this goes because I've only walked in 155 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,280 it. We'll see what running 156 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,600 transitions do, but really curious midsole the DNA gold. 157 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,280 I love it's it was great in the Hyperion Max 3. 158 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,000 I'm curious to see how it responds with this one. 159 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,040 But yeah, it's what I've got in for testing right now. 160 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,000 Awesome I've got one that I'll chat on. 161 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,720 So you all have heard how much I've enjoyed the Rebel five so 162 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,280 far. So I've talked about that a lot. 163 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,040 So I recently took that. I think I don't remember if I've 164 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,320 talked about this because it was pretty recent, but on a 14 and 165 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,680 plus Mylar and it was great. However, it was also soft enough 166 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,440 where I definitely have some irritation to my tip post and a 167 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,560 little tarsal tunnel syndrome like I'm getting on the 168 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,520 calcaneal branch. I'm getting a lot of zingers 169 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,160 down there. It's been doing well. 170 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,960 So I've modified my footwear selections a little bit, and the 171 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,800 reason why I bring that shoe up is this other shoe that I've 172 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,480 been testing more recently, Matt actually bought it for me and 173 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,480 sent it to me is the Adidas Evo SL. 174 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,160 And I would say there are a ton of similarities between those 175 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,560 two shoes from a geometry rocker standpoint. 176 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,680 It's almost like the Evo SL is this midpoint between the SC 177 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,159 Trainer Version 3 and the Rebel because it's a little bit 178 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,080 stiffer in the forefoot. The foam is a little bit firmer 179 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,919 in the SL, but the only difference that I wish the SL 180 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,080 had was the midfoot is really narrow. 181 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,559 If they just widened that out, it might be like the literal 182 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,520 perfect midsole for me. I love the amount of compression 183 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,440 because it's just a little bit firmer and more responsive. 184 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,680 I've just been really enjoying it. 185 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:56,680 The other issue that I will say that I've had with the Evo SL is 186 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,360 the tongue. It's super thin. 187 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,800 It's non gusseted if I know right, but it has slid down. 188 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,440 I did like an 8 mile run with like a four mile like tempo 189 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,400 effort in the middle and it slid down and I actually got like a 190 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,320 bruise under where it crinkled up, unlike the bottom part. 191 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,680 So I'm going to try to keep playing with the lacing, but I'm 192 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:21,800 hoping that can flesh itself out because I've really loved the 193 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,320 ride of that shoe and knowing it's it's like 140 a 145 bucks 194 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,360 right a. 150. 150, OK, but it's below that one, it's below that 195 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,960 150 it, it feels like it performs better than that. 196 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,600 And so I've really enjoyed running in it so far. 197 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,040 David, do you have any? Yeah. 198 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,720 But first I just want to acknowledge that Matt put a 199 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,720 crater in that posterior lateral heel of that evo cell that he's 200 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,160 holding up, that it. That is a literal crater, my 201 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,080 guy. That is like. 202 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,760 Yeah, well, it's like more that like the posterior midfoot. 203 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,160 But I, I of course, where this is set up, I yanked it off in a 204 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,080 second and I was like, do I just stop? 205 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,520 And so I just ended up trimming it right off because with a pair 206 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,320 of scissors going like I'm just going to keep running in this 207 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,400 thing. I did get 100 miles in this. 208 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,840 I just never did 100 mile review because there were 1100 mile 209 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,960 reviews. And I'm like, this is not 210 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,040 special. There's enough comments on this. 211 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,560 But yeah, I I've cratered this. It's like the. 212 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:20,600 Last of Us was a shoe, Yeah. Sorry. 213 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:25,600 Moving forward, Yeah, yeah, I don't have any of the physical 214 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 issues on me right now, but just finished up the review on the 215 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,920 rabbit Dream Tracer 2 point O. Do you have that on you? 216 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,800 That is actually kind of crazy that you just did, you know I 217 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,000 was going to talk about that. No, it just happened to be on 218 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,720 the ground. That's wild. 219 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:47,920 OK, this is live. Yeah, I actually do think it's 220 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,160 an upgrade from the first, but I will say I was not a big fan of 221 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,800 the first one. So I think that's a pretty low 222 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,800 bar to cross. I don't want to see that in a 223 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,680 negative light. I actually did like the midsole 224 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:04,200 and the right of the shoe. I don't know if the upper really 225 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,920 agreed with me very well. I think that's where most of my 226 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,120 gripes with the shoe are. I think the fabric and the 227 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,680 material run really warm. Even though it's ventilated 228 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:13,880 more. You can kind of see it almost 229 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,320 looks like it's like hole punched through those different 230 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,040 areas and does that help? Maybe. 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,160 But it's like it's already pretty darn warm and the midfoot 232 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,200 wraps really tight and it almost feels like it's undercut on the 233 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,920 lateral side. So I had this like pressure into 234 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,480 my 5th metatarsal and cuboid. If I look past that, I actually 235 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,400 did like the ride. I actually did think the 236 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,760 geometry and everything else felt pretty good. 237 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,320 The UTPU midsole felt fine, you know, like for daily training. 238 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,120 It was something that I could see on my foot. 239 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Genuinely. I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of 240 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,800 the carbon tracks. I still kind of have mixed 241 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,280 feelings on that, but they're OK. 242 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,760 Like I don't, I don't know if I love them, but I don't hate them 243 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,360 either. Even the heel bevel felt fine 244 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,640 for me. Like it. 245 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,400 I don't know. I don't crash on that heel as 246 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,000 hard as you so. It's in the no, it's, it's not 247 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,080 in the right that bevels facing the wrong direction. 248 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,880 It's on the medial side. No, it's cut. 249 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Out on the medial side, it's not. 250 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,840 It's not biased to the medial side. 251 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,520 It's very central. It it is. 252 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,520 It is, yes. There's a cut out and it's 253 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,840 beveled toward the medial side which makes me go and I can't 254 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,680 been able to run it but. It's it's the upper on that 255 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:21,600 shoe. I think I I think there actually 256 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,440 is promise to it and I think it could be a daily trainer. 257 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,840 I think 160 might be a little steep for it, if I'm being 258 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:32,200 honest, but for the right person maybe, but I don't know, like I 259 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,400 feel like I'd probably see it more in the 1:40 to 1:45 range 260 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,480 for where it currently is at. But that shoe, the review just 261 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,440 got out for that. So you by the time this 262 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,160 releases, you'll be able to read that and see my honest thoughts 263 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,440 on it. And coming up will be the 264 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,200 Solomon Aeroblaze 3 Lightweight. Trainer before we go there, 265 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,640 before we go there, I think I wanted to add something to the 266 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,320 rabbit. I I think that shoe and I love a 267 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,640 lot of rabbit stuff, but I just don't think they've hit on their 268 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,040 running shoe yet. Like if you're somebody who 269 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,520 loves rabbit to it, it's like it's just not good yet. 270 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,720 Like I maybe there's good things about it, but it just doesn't 271 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,320 compete with what's going on in the market right now. 272 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,320 And it's got to catch up or like they got to figure something out 273 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,000 because even an aesthetics is very subjective and people have 274 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,520 their preferences. But even from that standpoint, 275 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,960 like the second version I don't think is as good as the first 276 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,440 version. Like the first one kind of had a 277 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,320 very clean aesthetic to it. This one has. 278 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,400 The same. Faded. 279 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,560 Do they have the pure white one? There's like the all white one. 280 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,320 The one that we have is just faded and like that fade from 281 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,080 blue to white. And I don't know, I just think 282 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,840 that it's right now it's not hitting on geometry, it's too 283 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,720 heavy. It doesn't have any pop. 284 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,200 It's just not that I couldn't get mileage in it either. 285 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,240 It was hurting my feet so. For like easy mileage I felt 286 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,000 like because it was what, 10 1/2 oz men's size 10. 287 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,960 So like going men's size 9, you probably take 1/2 ounce off. 288 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,520 That's about comparable with a lot of other daily trainers. 289 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,560 It's felt heavy. Though I don't know, I don't 290 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:07,160 think it felt that bad like once I got my mileage on it, but it 291 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,800 was the upper. The upper was kind of the deal 292 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,000 breaker for me. I just, I just wish that was 293 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,880 better across multiple ways, but it'll. 294 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,640 Get there. I think they'll get there if 295 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,720 they keep, if they keep going at it, they'll find something 296 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,280 that's. I will say the high country, the 297 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,240 trail model actually looks pretty nice. 298 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,760 From what I can see it, it looks pretty solid. 299 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,320 It almost looks like a hookah challenger. 300 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,040 But yeah, I would I wouldn't mind trying that at all. 301 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,240 I think it it looks pretty nice. And there was that group of 302 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,400 people that use it from rim to rim to rim. 303 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,040 Did you watch that video on YouTube? 304 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,040 So for what it's worth, someone, a group of people ran in it 305 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,680 across the Grand Canyon and back. 306 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,840 So, and they all live to tell the tale. 307 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,080 That's good. All right. 308 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,680 He had his hand up. I, I, I was, I'm, I'm interested 309 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,720 certainly, curiously, what they're doing with the trail 310 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,880 model. I almost wonder if they'll have 311 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,560 more success with that just and I'm not I'm not sure why I'm 312 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:04,880 saying that I just got got insane. 313 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,120 I think I'm a little I'm a little concerned with their 314 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,080 verbiage in the advertising going Oh, we put a carbon fired 315 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,520 plate mowers like more bounce and like we we've talked about 316 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,320 this, that like carbon fired plates add stiffness to a soul. 317 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Like if you really want bounce, you got to use the right midsole 318 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,720 materials and that have the right resiliency and and 319 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,720 compression to them or a compliance to them. 320 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,280 So I just want to go like we got to I know, and it's I'm not 321 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,760 being to be offensive. I I gave Mel to coast a similar 322 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,880 hard time about the verbi Jude with pronation. 323 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,040 They were they changed the some of the stuff on the website, 324 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,720 which is great. I'm really happy about that and 325 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,200 I'm curious to see where they go, but I just want to, if 326 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,840 anybody from Rabbit listen to this, I'm wearing your apparel 327 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,640 like my students make fun of me. Like the high country short 328 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,680 sleeve or long sleeve is like literally the only thing I wear 329 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,960 in clinic. Or teaching any of them hanging 330 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,640 right there I can see them. Yeah, but I think be careful. 331 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,560 I understand marketing. Be careful with your verbiage 332 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,560 because we do know like if you're going to use that term, 333 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,680 yeah, have a one of the new resilient foams, but just 334 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,600 market, market properly. Don't get on the carbon plate 335 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,480 hype. It's it's a piece of the puzzle. 336 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,880 All right, let's move into this next shoe. 337 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,840 So I still have yet to do my maiden voyage on it, but it's 338 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,280 it's fun. I've put them on. 339 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,240 It's just kind of like super. It's like a lightweight, kind of 340 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,120 gently rockered shoe. I know for Klein, the mid foot's 341 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,480 a little bit narrow, so we'll see how that goes. 342 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,520 But the foam actually does feel pretty lively. 343 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,360 I'm I'm excited to run in it. I really am. 344 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,040 I just don't have any true thoughts on it. 345 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,120 But that's what's on the docket for this upcoming week. 346 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,040 They have really changed their midsole game since the first 347 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,320 Solomon Rd. shoe I've tested. It was the Solomon Sense Ride 2 348 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,760 I think, and that thing I couldn't even wear for a full 349 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,760 day of day of work. The midsole was that 350 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,840 uncomfortable and this is a huge change that was probably. 351 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,680 Six years ago or. Whatever. 352 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,720 Yeah, yeah. So it's pretty great. 353 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:04,000 Now what were you going to say? The Selma Arrow Glide is like 354 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,720 one of my top shoes. It's it's fighting the Keanu 355 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,119 right now for top shoe of the year because of how good the the 356 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,800 midsole feels. Yeah, I'm going to get another 357 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,359 comment from Peter and everybody else out here going, oh, I 358 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,800 can't. Like I'm just going to not talk. 359 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,920 It's wonderful because Matt cannot pronounce Kiano and 360 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,079 somebody. At the time, I can't pronounce 361 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,440 Andrea's name correctly either, so you know, there's that, true. 362 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,520 But somebody, This is why we let one of the things we love about 363 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,800 this is just kind of interacting with random people that become 364 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,600 kind of friends through this whole thing. 365 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,200 And somebody shared like a Google pronunciation of Kayano 366 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,720 so that Matt could learn. And it's it didn't work clearly. 367 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,400 So educational theory we need to apply. 368 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,440 I I reposted it too, still can't do it. 369 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,520 Got to figure it out anyway. Well, let's move on. 370 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,880 Let's talk about more of the questions that we've gotten from 371 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,600 you in this mailbag. And our first question comes 372 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,320 from Gabriel and he says this soft shoes usually cause me 373 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,920 plantar fasciitis. It's interesting that soft shoes 374 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,000 like the Noble S5 and Glycerin Max doesn't cause me pain. 375 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,320 I was wondering if my pain could be related to some of the foam 376 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,440 components that other brands use, such as the foam used in 377 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,880 the Hoka Mach 6 and the Mach X, the first version. 378 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,880 So they're wondering, is it not so much about the softness, but 379 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,280 is it about the actual compound within the material? 380 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Who has thoughts on that? There you go, this is this is a 381 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,600 really important concept that a softest perception. 382 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,960 So and you know, different people will get things soft 383 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,080 firmed. And we get to realize is a lot 384 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,480 of that comes from not only your nerve endings, your 385 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,400 proprioceptors and all the stuff in your body, but also how the 386 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,200 shoe, how you are reacting to the shoe and how the shoes 387 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,840 reacting to you. And every foam has a different 388 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,160 compression rate. So we talked about compliance 389 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,200 resilience, but it's also how quickly does that compress that 390 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,840 can vary. You can have six different foams 391 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,040 from different companies that say, oh, these are all soft and 392 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,640 people are going to are going to say are going to rate them 393 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,680 differently because of that. So I'm not really surprised. 394 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,880 The Glycerin Max doesn't fully just surprise me. 395 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,960 I found that pretty bouncy in the heel, like soft in the heel 396 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,200 and then firm up the forefoot. David, you had a very different 397 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,760 experience with the Glycerin Max, right? 398 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,520 Hurt my foot. Yeah. 399 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,920 So depending on Yeah, yeah. How you. 400 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,960 No, it's true. So, and that was the. 401 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,480 Way that went is like you had a different experience. 402 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Hurt my foot and move on. Yeah, that was one of my top 403 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,560 shoes of the year. And then David's like, no, it's 404 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,080 great. Yeah, that's true. 405 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,240 Yeah. Was it 2? 406 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,720 Yeah, I have seen Ted Lasso. I was trying to chat with my 407 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,120 inner like coach. Yeah, that's fair. 408 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,200 Yeah. So yeah, depending on how you 409 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,120 how you load the shoe and I will say the geometries and the foam, 410 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,720 even though it's like relative like whatever, you know, it's 411 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,920 going to be different in the, the Mach X6 and the, the sorry, 412 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,320 the Mach 6 and the the Mach X. So there is very a good 413 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,800 possibility that either geometry, stiffness and other 414 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,280 factors are playing into this, because that also effects 415 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,280 perception of softness. But yeah, that totally. 416 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,400 It may not just be the film, though. 417 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,000 What was the stack on Mach X? The first one because both of 418 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,920 those are lower than Nova blasting Glycerin Max by a 419 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,040 considerable margin I believe. Don't remember. 420 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Because there's other factors besides softness, like that's 421 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,560 where I was kind of along with it. 422 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,880 Like it can be a soft foam, but if there's not as much of it, 423 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:32,960 it's going to decompress a little bit less. 424 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,280 You're going to have a little bit more ground feel. 425 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,160 The shoes just going to run a little bit differently. 426 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,360 David, you thought the glycerin Max was like wicked soft, right? 427 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Totally. Man, I know it was crazy. 428 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,160 See, and I thought it was actually really firm like I 429 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,720 feel. Like I don't trust anything you 430 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,440 say when it comes to firmness and softness of shoes though. 431 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,360 We disagree completely. I mean, let's go back to the OG 432 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,640 Bondi ex to mix. Yeah, he thought it was like. 433 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,480 I thought it was so soft and you thought it was firm. 434 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,160 So I think this is another one of those situations where shoes 435 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,600 like that can be different. What I was going to say about 436 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,720 this question was that I've had similar experiences in certain 437 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,040 shoes. So do you all remember? 438 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,480 I think it was the called the Neo Wave Neo Collection from the 439 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Zuno. So it was like the sustainable 440 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,920 line of shoes that they came out with. 441 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,280 They were really, they're kind of more like concepts that were 442 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,440 a bit more expensive. Every time I ran in any of those 443 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,600 shoes, I would get sharp pain through my arch. 444 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,520 Like it would be my first run in that shoe. 445 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,320 I'd get sharp pain at like mile 3. 446 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,280 Then I'd go run the next day and something different. 447 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,160 I'd have no pain at all. And those weren't even 448 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,120 remarkably soft. But it's ones that are similar 449 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,440 to that in stiffness that have an issue that I have an issue 450 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,520 with. When I say stiffness, I mean 451 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,080 like midsole stiffness, the compression and another similar 452 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,200 one for me was the one of the iterations. 453 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960 I think it was version four of the float red energy from 454 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Reebok. So that what there's like this, 455 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:58,600 there's this range of midsole stiffness that I end up having 456 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,400 issues with. And I don't know if it's so much 457 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,200 about compliance as it is. Maybe it's again, that rate of 458 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,440 loading, maybe the vibrations that go through foams and how 459 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,920 that interacts with my tissues. I'm not sure what it is, but I 460 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,720 definitely have found a pattern with shoes that fall into that 461 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560 category. Actually the the Solomon Ultra 462 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,480 Glide, Aeroglide, Aeroglide 3, that one is that same amount of 463 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,240 stiffness for me in that compliance. 464 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,880 I'm actually been, I've been very hesitant with that shoe. 465 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,200 I haven't been taking it on longer stuff, just shorter 466 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,080 things because I'm weary of it kind of aggravating some stuff 467 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,880 so. I feel like the dream chaser is 468 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,080 like kind of similar to. Yes, which is why I don't like. 469 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,760 It's like that slightly kind of pliant, but it's not like it's 470 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,040 not mushy soft. Like there's still just a little 471 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:57,160 bit of resilience to it. Yeah, I could see that actually. 472 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,240 I get it. And you know, what's funny is I 473 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,400 actually like that type of midsole. 474 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,400 Yeah. So that's funny. 475 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,800 Like as you were saying all those things, I was like, those 476 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:13,240 all sound like things I like. So, so to answer, answer 477 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Gabriel's question, I think it, it could be related either a 478 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,080 small piece of the foam, but also the geometries of the, how 479 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,680 the shoe moves. And there's a lot of other 480 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,440 factors And plantar fasciitis is, is challenging, right? 481 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,280 Because we've, we've done episodes on this with how 482 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,120 difficult understanding why it happened or all this kind of 483 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,200 stuff. And there's some certainly some 484 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,240 risk factors in certain people. We'll have more so in others. 485 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,160 The mock X1 I didn't like because I just felt it jam you 486 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,280 over the medial side, which may increase the risk it for certain 487 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,560 people and may not for others. So yeah, just kind of going all 488 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,000 right. And there may be certain brands 489 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,560 you just don't get along with and that might just be the case 490 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,320 because whatever however, the geometries in your bio mechanics 491 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,960 are. But I think it could be foam, 492 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,520 but it's probably more of a combination of things. 493 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,000 Well, let's move to our next question. 494 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,160 This is from Laura and this is what she asks. 495 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,720 What do you think about shoe shelf life? 496 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,160 For example, I love the Saucony Tempest as suggested by Andrea, 497 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,600 they said, but I'm wary about The Tempest too. 498 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,440 Based on your review and trying them on at a local store, I can 499 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080 only find the original Tempest on Amazon. 500 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,720 Do you think it's OK to buy it and running it? 501 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,440 Or does the shoe degrade over time in storage? 502 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,280 That's an interesting one. I have a story about David. 503 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,440 Go for it. Well, I know like in sneaker 504 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,040 culture, like some of the foam can decompress over years. 505 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,280 And so let's say if it's a classic Jordan or something and 506 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,480 someone goes and buys it and it's, you know, several years 507 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,520 old or even more. Like sometimes you put your foot 508 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,040 in it. If you put your foot in like if 509 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,160 it's not a display piece and like the foam will just like 510 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,800 degrade or break or like kind of it just doesn't quite hold its 511 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,760 life after a certain amount of time. 512 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,240 Supposedly though, and I remember actually saw me talking 513 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,680 about this a little bit, that their power in PB, at least at 514 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,560 that time, was supposed to be more durable and actually have a 515 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,680 decent shelf life. But that number, I don't 516 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,760 actually know what that number is, but I, I feel like it's 517 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800 almost safe like after two or three years, which it has been 518 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,360 at this point, probably don't make that purchase if, if I'm 519 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:19,920 that person, but I wish there was kind of a hard and fast rule 520 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,520 on that. But but like, foams do degrade. 521 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,720 They are materials like anything else. 522 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760 That's what I got. What about you, Matt? 523 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,320 I would say that we have a better idea of a lot of the EBA 524 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,160 based bitsoils those breakdown and I would say after about 3 or 525 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,480 4 years from production, that's where you're not going to have 526 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,240 the same cushioning properties for sure. 527 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,160 The new foams because they're all blends or P, but we have no 528 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,120 idea how long those last to be honest. 529 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,280 They're so new. There's really not that 530 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,040 information out there. So don't know. 531 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,560 And you know, power on PB it, it might last a decent time and 532 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,960 it's not a bad idea because I've seen those Tempest on Amazon 533 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,520 because I also look at those occasionally, even though I 534 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240 don't buy them, it's not a bad deal. 535 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,120 So the worst that happens, you try them on and go, OK, you 536 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,480 know, test it first. But yeah, everything breaks 537 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480 down. And I would say even with some 538 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,880 of the newer foams, once you get past that like 3-4, five year 539 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080 mark, I would be a little hesitant on that. 540 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800 I think there are some decent alternatives out there right 541 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,160 now. Adidas has the Supernova 542 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,160 solution to which I think isn't as stiff and definitely is 543 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,320 softer. So there's some other stuff out 544 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,080 there. It just you can't trust the 545 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,680 cushion. Like David said, it breaks down. 546 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,800 So my story is when I was working at Fitright Northwest, 547 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,480 one of the really great running stores that I started my running 548 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,040 in understanding in many years ago, recipes that stores they, 549 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,200 they closed some time ago, but they had a great place to learn 550 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,600 and great place to start. There was a pair of Nike 551 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,160 mayflies in a box and I was like, Oh my gosh. 552 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800 And that was, that was long after, even at that time, this 553 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,280 is years ago, that was long after the Nike mayfly come out. 554 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,640 Not the mayfly, for those who don't know, was the lightest 555 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120 shoe at that time. This was during I think the 556 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,440 2000s is where that came out. And it was people loved it, but 557 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,000 it was only truly meant to last for a marathon. 558 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,760 It was not like 100 kilometers, I think was what they said. 559 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,200 And then it was supposed to fall apart. 560 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,440 And there's a lot of times some people took them longer, some 561 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,240 people did, but that was probably about 10 and years 562 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,240 after. And there was a pair in a box. 563 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800 And I was like, and I remember asking whoever is in charge, 564 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,560 like, can I run in these? And like, yeah, sure. 565 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,080 And so I took them out and I was super excited because they're a 566 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,480 size 10. I'm like, I know this shoe. 567 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600 And I made it about 1/2 mile before the sole started coming 568 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,320 off. I was going to say I had a 569 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,520 similar experience with an old pair of Nike streaks. 570 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,560 Yeah, and it was a it was a good amount of time after the release 571 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,120 of it and decided to just try it on one day and the heel started 572 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,880 just coming off. Yeah, you're like, Yep. 573 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,040 And so that's what happened. And I felt really bad realizing 574 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,440 they just destroyed a pair of like pristine Nike mayflies but. 575 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,400 I think that there's a there's a reality that this would be a 576 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,720 great conversation with a material scientist who really 577 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,040 understands the stuff on another level too, to help us understand 578 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,480 what are the changes that happened with time. 579 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,480 But then what are the other changes that happened with 580 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,640 storage space? So is where they're being 581 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,120 hanging out? Is it super humid? 582 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,000 Is it really dry? Is it hot? 583 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,200 Is it cold? Like those things matter as well 584 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,440 because there's going to be a fluctuation in the foam. 585 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Sounds like y'all have something. 586 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,720 To say, yeah, well, in both of our cases, it's the, IT was the 587 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,160 outsole that came off with you, Matt. 588 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,680 No, it was the midsole that literally started to like OK 589 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,720 that's different crumble. Away because for me, I was going 590 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,040 to say I think it was an adhesive issue that the adhesive 591 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,440 started to give way and the outsole like the rubber just 592 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,400 started coming off. Yeah. 593 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,600 And we know by the way, and even shoes that are new that when 594 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,840 they're flown over from China or Vietnam were ever made, the 595 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,000 temperature extremes that happen in the airplane can totally 596 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,080 change how they feel, even if they're brand new, which is why 597 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920 for those who are running, I have this colorway and it feels 598 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,120 totally different than this other color. 599 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,200 It's it's probably because there was a different weather system 600 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,680 that the shoes experienced on the way over. 601 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,840 So, yeah, and Nathan, you're totally right. 602 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,400 Well, weather system is every shoe that's delivered to me in 603 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,040 the winter time. They go through a weather 604 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,200 system. They just hang out outside my 605 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,920 door. For you guys have day real 606 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,040 winters. Yes, unlike y'all in Santa 607 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Barbara with your very basic pesto pizza. 608 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,040 All right, we're going to move on to our next question. 609 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,360 We got to move on. We can't. 610 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,520 We can't dwindle. All right, so we're going to get 611 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,480 this question from Tim. Tim says I'm a bigger guy with 612 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,840 the widest foot, training for racing, 50 and 100K trail races, 613 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,800 pretty technical terrain in New South Wales, Australia. 614 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,560 I'm old and slow. This is his word. 615 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,320 Sorry, not mine. I'm not saying this about Tim, 616 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,440 this is Tim saying about himself. 617 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,760 I'm old and slow and as best I can comfort over the long run is 618 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,120 what I'm looking for in a shoe. Trying to understand the dynamic 619 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,200 between a high stack shoe with say an average foam versus a low 620 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,960 stack shoe but with a really high quality foam. 621 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,800 Will the effect be the same between those two? 622 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,520 And if yes, what should his go to foams be? 623 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,680 What kind of foam should you look for? 624 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Just to give you some reference on what he's been running in 625 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400 loving some of the higher stack stuff lately, Solomon S Lab, 626 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Ultra Glide, Mafate X, Brooks Caldera 8 Speed Goat, etcetera 627 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,920 and defaulting to high stack. But he's wondering what he's 628 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,800 missing out at with the lower stack but trying to get just as 629 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,080 much comfort out of it. So what are we thoughts about 630 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,080 the interplay between high and low stack and type of foam? 631 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,040 It's a loaded question, but I think like with everything, I 632 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,320 mean, there's so much individuality to it. 633 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,400 I will say he did use the words I'm loving. 634 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,560 I'm looking at it right now. If you already are loving it, I 635 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,000 don't know if I would rock the boat much, but a lot of these 636 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000 foams, like Klein was saying earlier, unrelated to this 637 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560 question, but they're blends, a lot of them now. 638 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,720 And so a lot of them are integrating different peebo 639 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,320 blends and stuff like that. And I believe the S Lab Ultra 640 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,600 Glide was supposed to have some kind of a peebo blend in there 641 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,600 where it wasn't the entirety of it, but there was kind of a 642 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,880 responsive kind of nature to it. And same thing with the Mafate 643 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400 X, correct? Yeah. 644 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,200 So like some of these foams are making their way into these 645 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,600 higher stack shoes anyways, But if you were looking to have kind 646 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680 of something a little bit more lower stack and nimble that had 647 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,840 kind of a more life to it, you do have a couple of options out 648 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,680 there. You do have like the Puma 649 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,200 deviate Nitro elite trail, which is a carbon plated trail, all 650 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,560 terrain model that does use the Nitro elite foam, although it's 651 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320 not as good for technical terrain that I'm a picturing is 652 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,720 going to be in Wales. I'm picking I'm picturing like 653 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,760 wet, sloppy rocks like like I don't know if it would do as 654 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,720 well in that situation, but it exists. 655 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,200 And then you also have the the catamount from brooks also as 656 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160 well. You know, decent traction on it 657 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,480 a little bit like it's a responsive phone, but you kind 658 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,600 of have to load it to get it. I feel like it's not quite as 659 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,600 bouncy right out the box, but I don't know. 660 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,680 I feel like the options he already listed are already 661 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,320 pretty good and I've run in the mephate XI get solid and same 662 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,480 thing with the ultra glide. So I feel like should be looking 663 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,400 at 50K to 100 Ki feel like comfort's key, like if you're 664 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,160 going, if you're on that far, like pick the shoe that's going 665 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760 to work the best with your foot and mechanics over any kind of 666 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,880 responsiveness advantage you may gain and. 667 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,640 If you're on technical terrain, you probably want the shoe that 668 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,360 just makes you feel stable too. So who really cares that much 669 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,760 about the amount of stack? I'm. 670 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,360 I'm just trying to think of the category of shoe he's talking 671 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,600 about where if you were to exchange these high stack shoes 672 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,800 for something lower with a higher level foam I I'm trying 673 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600 to think of what shoes maybe be living out there because most of 674 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,200 the ones that. I've taken up with the pulsar 675 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,200 for. But I still think of those as 676 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,160 pretty high stack. It's not like they're lower 677 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,720 stack shoes like I ran. On the tech on the ultra glad in 678 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,760 Mafate X though. Sure, sure. 679 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,200 I I'm with y'all. I'm with you on your answer, 680 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,160 David. I have nothing to add. 681 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,120 Matt, what were you going to say? 682 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,480 I I would bet money, and I might be wrong, Tim let us know, but 683 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,480 that he's talking about like shoes like the NN normal stuff 684 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,760 and hopefully I said that correctly. 685 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,080 I think it's on because those are good. 686 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,360 Maybe it's just normal, sorry. And then normal, just normal. 687 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,040 Those are kind of more moderate to lower stack height, but they 688 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,320 have some nicer foams in them. And I think for people that are 689 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,160 really good on their feet and maybe lighter and are used to 690 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,000 that technical stuff, maybe they like your Killian Jornette, who 691 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,760 I believe that's his company, right? 692 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,600 Normal. No, he's not a Solomon. 693 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,440 No, he's, I believe somebody correct me, but I believe he 694 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,040 started. Anymore I'll get a started 695 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920 normal. I might be wrong, but I know 696 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480 that he is one of the ones who like for the western states for 697 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,280 example was wearing a pretty fairly by today's standards, a 698 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,880 more moderate to stack height to lower stack height shoe. 699 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160 He's by today's standards. He Co founded and. 700 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240 Co founded it, yeah. So I, I totally, I totally get 701 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,080 that. So, but you need to find the 702 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,480 shoe that's best for you. And I think a bigger dude is 703 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,960 going to naturally compress a shoe more. 704 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,600 So if you have a softer, more compliant, resilient foam under 705 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,719 foot, you're going to smash that thing. 706 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,840 And I think that may not be the best over A50 to 100K because 707 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,719 you're looking for comfort and efficiency and you're not used 708 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,360 to lower stuff. So things you're missing out on 709 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,120 are a little bit better proprioception, maybe a little 710 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,840 bit more work at the foot and ankle, which may not be the best 711 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,719 thing you want over 50 to 100K. If you want a shoe like that, 712 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,000 it's best I think to introduce for like shorter stuff or look, 713 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120 we're using as a foot strengthening tool to like go, 714 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,800 OK, I'm going to use a little bit less shoe, use my foot and 715 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800 ankle a little bit more. But it's not something that I 716 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,920 would say a lot of people are going to be good at for a long, 717 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,280 long distance, especially with talking about size going, you're 718 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,520 going to compress the shoe more so you may find it actually 719 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,639 firmer or less comfortable. I might be totally wrong, but 720 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,760 and just just clarifying that, but I don't think it's more of 721 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,760 like I'm missing out. It's just different loads 722 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,720 through different tissues. You're going to decide is that 723 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,440 comfortable for you? Can you maintain that 50 to 100 724 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,920 Ki? Don't know the answer, but 725 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,400 you're going to have to ask yourself that. 726 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,120 I will say to you like looking at mid soles and what not, if 727 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,840 there truly is a feeling of quote UN quote missing out, 728 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,560 there is a shoe on the market now that is Max stack that has 729 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,960 quite a bit of balance to it and it's meant for ultra distances 730 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,600 and that's the on cloud ultra Pro. 731 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,440 I feel like that might not be a bad pivot if you feel like 732 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,040 you're kind of missing out on kind of a newer generation type 733 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040 of feeling, because that definitely gives you that. 734 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,280 But it's it's it's tuned for ultra. 735 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,560 It's like I would not want to run A25K in that shoe all out 736 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,640 like, but if I was running 100 Ki think that might be in my 737 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,680 shoe right now. So that's not that I would run 738 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,960 100K. That's so far. 739 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,360 Kudos to you, man. That's like. 740 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,560 That's a lot of running. Totally, totally awesome. 741 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,120 Well, let's move to our next question. 742 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,600 This is a question from Maddie who is in kind of a local 743 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,560 running specialty store and this is what she says. 744 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,800 She says as an employee at a run specialty store and as a regular 745 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,640 view of your videos, I've learned a lot from your shoe and 746 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,400 bio mechanics breakdowns. Sometimes though, it can be 747 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,640 tough fitting customers who never wore premium running 748 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,080 shoes. What are your top tips for 749 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,280 helping them and all customers understand concepts like 750 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,800 stability, rocker, geometry, midsole, foams in general under 751 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,480 foot? Any tips and tricks for 752 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,800 bettering my skill set as an outfitter? 753 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,840 I'd love to explain these concepts more clearly during 754 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,200 fittings and also pass those insight along to my Co workers. 755 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,160 Thanks to the entire team at Dior. 756 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,320 Love listening to your pod and on my long runs. 757 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,400 So thanks Mary for that. That's kind of you. 758 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,320 I'll go first on this one if y'all are OK with that. 759 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,720 I, when I heard this question, my, my brain immediately went to 760 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,360 just physical therapy and every single person that comes into 761 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,640 the door to receive physical therapy services is going on a 762 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,160 different type and amount of education about why they're in 763 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,160 physical therapy. Some people just want to be 764 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,080 told, Hey, you just got to go do these couple things change this 765 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920 about your daily habits. Go do these exercises and go. 766 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,080 And they don't care at all about the why. 767 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,640 Some people really need to understand the why behind these 768 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,200 exercises if they're going to buy in. 769 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,440 So I think the same applies to fitting people for running 770 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,440 shoes. You don't need to have every 771 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,760 single person come into your store, know everything that you 772 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440 know about the running shoe that they're putting on their feet. 773 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,640 That is probably serving you more than it's serving them. 774 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,480 Like give them what they want and what they need in terms of 775 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,280 information. And that's a, you know, that's 776 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,680 not giving clear advice, but I do think that is the kind of 777 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,160 posture you should have is what does this person want for me in 778 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,320 terms of the amount of education about the shoe? 779 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,840 Your job's to be the expert. Their job is to understand what 780 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,840 they like and what they don't like, not because they 781 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,560 understand the shoe geometry, but because they can tell what 782 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,320 they like on their foot. So you can be pairing them with 783 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,040 a shoe, asking them what they like about it, asking them 784 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,360 pointed questions that help you understand. 785 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,160 Do they like rockers? Do they like soft phones? 786 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,480 Do they like a wider base? Like when I was with Jana? 787 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,480 We are trying not just shoes for walking around. 788 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:15,000 I gave her the Bondi and I gave her what was the other shoe. 789 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,560 Oh it's The Tempest. And she kept talking about how 790 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,640 it feels like the shoe is just too wide in the back. 791 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,600 So these really wide flared shoes, she doesn't like those. 792 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,000 So I tried to find shoes that didn't have as much flair. 793 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,000 I didn't explain to her sole flair. 794 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,560 I just helped her understand what she didn't didn't like 795 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,800 about the shoe and gave her ones that she may like better. 796 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000 So that was my initial gut on this question was more about 797 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,040 being focused on not teaching them everything about the shoe, 798 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,720 but just using your knowledge to help pair them with the right 799 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,680 thing. Yeah, I agree completely. 800 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,600 I think it's so easy to overwhelm someone with 801 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:55,160 information and that is not our role in any shape or form unless 802 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,360 they want it. And I think I immediately 803 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,080 thought of being a clinician and any kind of like recommending of 804 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,240 shoes in the clinic. And a lot of times I don't even 805 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,920 jump to it unless it's something that kind of gets brought up. 806 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,000 But I think it all starts with listening, just really listening 807 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,840 to kind of what their wants and needs are and not kind of taking 808 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,840 that step forward and kind of it like you're, you're there to 809 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,080 kind of help guide them towards the decision. 810 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,960 And ultimately they're going to give you the information that 811 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,320 kind of helps drive that, not the other way around. 812 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,360 And I think just being a very receptive individual and 813 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680 listening cause like Nate said, you're the expert and you kind 814 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920 of, you know what's on that shoe wall and you kind of know the 815 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,440 rough geometry, you know what's plated, you know what's not, you 816 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,240 know what's rockard, you know what's not, you know what has 817 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,400 new phones, you know it doesn't, right? 818 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,640 Like they don't need to know all of that and just kind of narrow 819 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,720 it down based on what you're hearing when you ask what they 820 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,680 want. And then from there, it's like, 821 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,320 OK, like they don't like rockers, they don't really like 822 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,080 plates, but they want to shoe with a little bit of life to it. 823 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,000 OK, I have a Hyperion Tempo here or Hyperion, I have a Cyclone 824 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,200 over here. Like I have like, you know what 825 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,280 I mean? Like you can kind of start to 826 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,320 categorize certain shoes based on what they're wanting and 827 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,280 needing. And then from there they can try 828 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,520 on things and be like, OK, I like this one. 829 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,920 This one actually does fit. And then when they do put it on, 830 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,400 it's like, OK, this feels a little tight here. 831 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,280 OK, let's find something that has a little bit more space 832 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,320 there. And kind of go from there. 833 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,320 So I think it's just so easy to overwhelm someone with the 834 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,400 different components that goes into shoes. 835 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,360 And there's so many things that can go into shoes. 836 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,720 So I mean, as we know, so that's my take on it. 837 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,880 I think listening is the greatest skill set you could 838 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,720 possibly have in any kind of people facing position because 839 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,280 ultimately that's going to drive you toward what people want to 840 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,240 need. And then if they if they turn to 841 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,120 you and say, why do I like this one more than that one, that's 842 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,960 when you can give them a little bit of an answer and you don't 843 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,480 give the technical language, give them at the level that they 844 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,080 wanted at, you know, like, you know, this shoots a little bit 845 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,560 more narrow. This one's got a softer foam. 846 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,520 You don't need to say this one's a Peeba based foam with a higher 847 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,560 compliance. Like that's not the language 848 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,440 that they need to know to be able to enjoy running. 849 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,120 So, you know, we talk very technical on this podcast and 850 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,880 through Doctors of Running because the people who come hang 851 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,400 out with us are here for the technical stuff. 852 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,600 So again, we're trying to match like how we speak to the 853 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,560 audience that we're talking to in the same way. 854 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,320 Like David said, listen to them and then respond with the 855 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,760 language and information that they're looking for. 856 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,080 Matt, do you have any additional thoughts? 857 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040 I would say, Maddie, it's a great question, something that I 858 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,680 struggled with working and running retail for so long. 859 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,040 I would say a really great resource for you is going to be 860 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,120 the run cat scale, which helps people understand like getting 861 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,960 an idea of like, OK, here's a couple things that you may be 862 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,280 able to focus on and don't make it complicated and go, you know 863 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,800 what stable, you know, stability refers to? 864 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,960 Like does your foot feel like it's on the platform? 865 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,800 And more is not better, less is not better. 866 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,480 It's what feel at the end of the day, the shoe needs to feel good 867 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,600 on your foot. It shouldn't be pugging you, you 868 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,400 know, it should just keep it really simple going what feels 869 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,800 good and get them to think about, Oh, when I put this on, 870 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,720 here's what I'm feeling. So I think the feedback from 871 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,920 Nathan David going be a good like David saying being a good 872 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,200 listener is great because that allows you you should be 873 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,840 reactive, like like listen, but then go, Oh, that's what they 874 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,640 experienced. OK, let me try to OK, that 875 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,560 that's what this means, right, and kind of move from there. 876 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,400 But in terms of explaining it, the rockers, the midsole phones, 877 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,720 all this stuff, just bring it back to comfort, because that's 878 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:21,680 where most people are coming into the store. 879 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,600 They they look, they want something comfortable. 880 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,800 You know, if somebody comes in going, I want the fastest you 881 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,720 this meet them where they're at. So I'd say keep meeting them 882 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,280 there and use the language that they understand. 883 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,840 But for a lot of people that are newer, just bring it back to 884 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,080 comfort. What's what's comfortable 885 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,640 because the run the the comfort scale from Benonig is kind of 886 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,640 one of the better things. We know it's not perfect, but 887 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,560 about what people tend to do better in. 888 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,520 So just go what feels good for you, what feels comfortable 889 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,560 going. Yeah, you know, stability is 890 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,880 does it help keep you on the platform and you don't want too 891 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,360 rigid too not you know rock or geometry that will kind of roll 892 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,480 you forward that you might like that it might not. 893 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,560 It's not for everybody. Midsole foams, softer 894 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,880 cushioning, is it better? Harder cushioning, is it better? 895 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,960 It's finding what what you like the most is key. 896 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,320 So looking for the kind of like that Goldilocks tight fit and 897 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,200 don't get too technical people there to do because like Nathan 898 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,200 said, you will overwhelm them. And so just bring it back to 899 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,120 comfort. Comfort the the run cat's a 900 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,280 great scale. It's available. 901 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,800 You can, you can look it up online and that can be a good 902 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,760 way to guide, but I think it also might help guide you 903 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,680 because I get it. There's a billion different 904 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,880 variables that we know about. And you're like, Oh my gosh, I'm 905 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,520 getting overwhelmed. Comfort. 906 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,960 Bring it back to comfort. I really like what you were 907 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,720 saying there, Matt, about almost in some ways developing mini 908 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,960 scripts of plain language explanations of bigger concepts. 909 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960 So I'm going to give a little example of what I mean by that 910 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,720 is there's a condition called cervical radiculopathy, and it's 911 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,920 where you have a nerve that's coming through your like 912 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,880 intervertebral foramen. I'm going to use technical words 913 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,720 first, intervertebral foramen. It gets irritated for some 914 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,360 reason and it sends like tingling, numbness, or sometimes 915 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080 just pain down into your arm based on which nerve is 916 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,400 compressed. A plain language explanation 917 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,200 that I've used with a patient is they're like, OK, so what's 918 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,880 going on with me? They might say, and I was like, 919 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,400 it seems like the symptoms in your arm are coming from your 920 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,640 neck. That is my explanation of 921 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,360 cervical radiculopathy. To start, I don't explain all of 922 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,520 those intricacies of how nerves work and why it's in a certain 923 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,440 distribution and which muscles it innervates, which skin areas 924 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,280 it innervates, which reflexes and impacts. 925 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,920 I just say it seems like the symptoms in your arm are coming 926 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,720 from your neck and people are like, oh, that makes sense. 927 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,800 So in the same way, if you're someone asks you like, OK, what 928 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,640 even is a carbon plate, come up with a plain language 929 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,880 description. Carbon plates create stiffness 930 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,800 so that it can transfer some load in the shoe while you are 931 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,120 running or something. I don't know if that's the exact 932 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,120 one, but maybe work through some of those main concepts that you 933 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,760 wrote and come up with plain language ideas of how to explain 934 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520 it to the people that you'd work with. 935 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,240 And then if they're like, wait, tell me more. 936 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,200 Make sure that you can keep elevating your education, but 937 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,480 start with the simple one. OK, let's move on to our next 938 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,240 question. This is from Kev and this is a 939 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,720 pretty interesting question. It says is there a way to adapt 940 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:13,920 to a super shoe without running in it? 941 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,920 And here's the situation. He says I ran 229 marathon. 942 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,560 Congrats that's super fast in the alpha fly three last 943 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,680 December and a 111 half personal best in the Puma fast *3 in the 944 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,280 spring. How do I make sure my legs will 945 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,920 handle the fast star for the full distance during my marathon 946 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,080 this fall? Currently he's running in this 947 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,600 rotation. For his easy runs he's got the 948 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,600 prime X strung 2. He also has the New Balance more 949 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,560 V5 for long runs and workouts and steady pay stuff. 950 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,680 Alpha Fly three Prime X version 1 not the strong version and the 951 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,640 Evo SL. Bro if you can handle the prime 952 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,880 XV1 not. Strong, then, he says. 953 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,160 I don't. Know how to say this man? 954 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,320 You can handle anything and then he said, I also bought a pair of 955 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,720 DV8 Nitro three probably use it as a daily trainer. 956 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000 And then his question is this, are there any of the shoes in 957 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,400 that listed that is similar characteristics to the fast 958 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,560 star? Wants to keep the Fast Stars as 959 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,560 fresh as possible for the marathon. 960 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,600 Is only one key long run enough to create the adaptations 961 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,360 necessary? And he also says that he lifts 962 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,840 one to two times a week, averages over 100 miles per week 963 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,960 and is in a 12 week marathon build. 964 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,240 So any tips? There's a lot there, but what do 965 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,560 you got? David, why don't you go since 966 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,720 you've been the most recent one to run a marathon? 967 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,920 I'm curious. I have my thoughts on this, yes. 968 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,320 My last marathon was a while ago man, OK. 969 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,360 Sooner than sooner than I think, Nathan and. 970 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,880 I you're going to know your body better than anyone else. 971 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,560 I think some I think it is worth having one quality long run in 972 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,200 this shoe. Absolutely. 973 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,240 What's better is more than that. But you're going to have a rough 974 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:58,680 idea. Like let's say if you, if you're 975 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,200 running 100 mile weeks, you already know what it's like to 976 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,000 run for. That goes without saying. 977 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,080 If you know roughly what your body feels like, let's say in 978 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,520 that 18 to 23 mile range, and you're like, OK, like I think I 979 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,040 could do this for a marathon. There's a there's a certain 980 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,920 feeling you get when you're running that much mileage, and 981 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,360 that's more mileage than I've ever run. 982 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,720 I've never actually run more than an 80 mile a week. 983 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:29,160 I think I've touched 82 maybe like I that's like I just break. 984 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,960 I can't run 100 mile weeks. So kudos to you. 985 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,160 You're built different. But if you're running that much, 986 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,120 you do get a general feeling of what you can and can't handle. 987 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,960 But I will say have a quality long run where you are using 988 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,640 that shoe, probably 18 miles. You'll probably have a decent 989 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,320 feeling at that point where it's like, I think I could probably 990 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,520 finish that out, you know? But you're going to know that 991 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,800 more than anyone else is going to be able to tell you that it's 992 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,800 an internal feeling. And sometimes maybe the shoe 993 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,240 just isn't for you for 26.2. And that's a reality that 994 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,240 sometimes you just got to face. If there's a certain shoe and 995 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,280 you love it and you're just like, I just can't take it that 996 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,760 far. And like the only way to really 997 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,960 take it that far in that situation is to build up a 998 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,320 tolerance with it. And there's no other way really 999 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,520 to do that if you really want to run it in that shoe and you're 1000 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,640 just not there right now. But usually if you've been 1001 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000 running that much, you've got a good feeling of your legs and 1002 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,160 your body. And if you've run 229, you 1003 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,760 already know what that pace is, right? 1004 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,520 I mean, what is that? That's give or take like high 1005 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,320 five 30s, something like that. So it's like you can, you can do 1006 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,920 a decent clip for a while and you could probably split A114115 1007 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,720 in training without killing yourself, right. 1008 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,400 If 111 is your PB. So you could, you could take it 1009 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,080 a good 15 to 18 and see how it feels. 1010 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,080 And let's say you run 116, that's a 232 pace and you 1011 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,800 recently have a 229 on your legs. 1012 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,120 You should be able to do that in theory. 1013 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,760 And you can kind of like have a general feeling of, is this 1014 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560 actually going to work for me as I go later into the race? 1015 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,440 That's that's the best thing I could possibly say. 1016 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,280 I feel like there's so many variables that go into a 1017 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,000 marathon. But if you know what it feels 1018 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,600 like when you get fatigued and when those legs start to get a 1019 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,680 little bit more heavy and like things just aren't responding 1020 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,320 quite the same way anymore. And now you kind of have to put 1021 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,920 a little extra umph into your step to keep the same pace at 1022 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,960 like it's, it's a weird feeling you get when you cross half 1023 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,760 marathon and you're still running fast because everything 1024 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,720 feels heavy and you're just like not really running. 1025 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,320 It doesn't feel like you're running that fast, but you're 1026 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,440 running the same pace and there's a little bit of extra 1027 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,800 umph and you just kind of have to like lean into it a little 1028 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,680 bit more. That feeling when you get there 1029 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,960 and you kind of keep going and it responds and it's in a way 1030 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,840 that feels productive that you can actually finish the race in. 1031 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,200 That's a very long winded way of saying just try it, you know, 1032 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,640 but some people know their legs better than others. 1033 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,600 And sometimes it could just be 1 long run. 1034 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,280 If you get one quality 18 to 20 mile run and you're like, yeah, 1035 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,120 this is it. I like this. 1036 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,280 There's plenty of pros that do that. 1037 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,840 You know, it's, there's nothing wrong with doing that if you 1038 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,000 know your legs and if you have the experience to do it. 1039 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,560 But if you don't know your legs and you have a hard time scaling 1040 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,320 it, then yes, you, you are going to have to scale it if you 1041 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,480 really want to run in that shoe. So I wish I could give you like 1042 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,080 I'd like this is what you do. But it's just not that simple. 1043 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,000 Like, it's ultimately going to come down to what you feel 1044 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,320 personally and how you respond to giving footwear. 1045 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,120 I'm done. Yeah, you're good, man. 1046 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,160 I will. Yeah, I, I will say. 1047 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,160 So I'm going to, I'm going to answer the questions that answer 1048 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,720 first question that he didn't quite ask, which is I think the 1049 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:49,880 minimum that you need to do in a shoe before you take from 1050 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,320 marathon is at least one long run, preferably that you do more 1051 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,080 than that, but at least you need to get one marathon type effort 1052 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,120 or distance in there to go to decide can I do it in this shoe 1053 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,080 or not? Because the answer to the 1054 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,320 question, can you adapt to a shoe, to a super shoe like the 1055 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,880 fast *3, which is very different than a lot of the stuff on the 1056 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,720 market. Like when Andrew and I reviewed 1057 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,840 that shoe, I'm like, I don't know what to compare this shoe 1058 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000 because there isn't really anything like that except the 1059 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,680 previous version. And even that they're two 1060 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,560 different shoes. So can you adapt, adapt to a 1061 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,640 stimulus with only one Rep? The answer is really no, you 1062 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,680 can't. Right. 1063 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,440 So when you do your long reduce, you're basically finding out, 1064 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,120 can I actually handle this for this distance? 1065 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,280 You're not adapting to it because you need to actually be 1066 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,200 exposed to stimulus repeatedly for your body to actually adapt 1067 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,640 to it. You might get lucky and be like, 1068 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,920 oh, these feel great, long roads. 1069 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,920 Great, awesome, great. But can you adapt? 1070 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,200 Is 11 effort going to create adaptations? 1071 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,520 Yeah, maybe on a tiny scale, but not enough to actually, like, 1072 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,000 make sure without a doubt you're going to be comfortable with 1073 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,320 them. So, yeah, I would say from our 1074 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,560 knowledge of how bodies adapt, one Rep is enough to create 1075 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,720 sincere adaptations. It's enough to go, can I 1076 00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,040 actually handle this for a marathon? 1077 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,480 So yes, do at least one long run and if you really want to save 1078 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,480 this shoe, that's great. There's a little risk involved 1079 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,560 there. But if you get to the long run, 1080 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,200 you're like, oh, this is awesome, then you should be good 1081 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,400 to go. But you also need to be ready, 1082 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,680 like David said, to go. This actually might not be the 1083 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,040 shoe I need. I might need the Alphafly 3. 1084 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,840 So be ready to figure out the shoe that's best for you. 1085 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,400 Yeah, I, I don't have much to add to this, but I, I think I 1086 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,880 was just going to also reiterate the idea that I, I don't 1087 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,240 necessarily think that we, anyone ever really adapts to 1088 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,520 their racing shoe if they're only using it for the race and 1089 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,960 doing like even the one to two to three, the physiological like 1090 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,880 musculoskeletal adaptations happen over long periods of 1091 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,720 time. So it's more like, is my body 1092 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,800 resilient enough to handle the shoe that's in front of me? 1093 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,080 And so you should ask yourself, this shoe puts a lot of stress 1094 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,000 on my medial arch and my the front of my knee because of the 1095 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,120 rock in this, you know, the narrow platform. 1096 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,960 Have I ran it off in other shoes that don't have the stability or 1097 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:01,520 heavy rocker that I can handle that. 1098 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,720 And if you, if you can, like you're probably going to be, 1099 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,240 you're probably going to make it and you should just make sure 1100 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,120 that you want to run it in it for 26.2. 1101 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,480 I can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've seen 1102 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,880 anything that shows like levels of injury rates during the 1103 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,440 actual marathon due to which shoe people select. 1104 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,720 I just don't think that's where injuries come from. 1105 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,160 I think they're going to happen for all the other reasons. 1106 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,720 And your body was just ready for an injury and you were just 1107 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,600 putting down a race effort and then it got you. 1108 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,560 And I don't think I would even just worry too much about this, 1109 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,840 honestly. I almost like wouldn't worry too 1110 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,000 much about this question. Like just make sure you want to 1111 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,400 run 26.2 in it and then go for it, especially with like the 1112 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,360 type of training he's doing. Agreed. 1113 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,200 Yeah, I admitted the word adaptation. 1114 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,720 I'm glad you guys expanded on that because yeah, you can't 1115 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,440 adapt on a micro scale share, but not enough to actually make 1116 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,360 a big difference in your decision. 1117 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,360 Any, any adapt adaptations you see even when the first week are 1118 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,960 really more in nervous system, your body kind of figuring out 1119 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,360 how to move like actual musculoskeletal stuff, even 1120 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,320 cardiovascular like musculoskeletal stuff takes at 1121 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,960 minimum really for more permanent stuff takes at least 1122 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,680 four to six, if not 6 to 8 weeks. 1123 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,560 Cardiovascular stuff takes like 8 to 12, if that longer like 1124 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,680 really big significant stuff could be up to four to six 1125 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,880 months. So it takes a while. 1126 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,440 Yeah, it's a big deal. All right, we have our final 1127 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,240 question for the evening. This is from Brad about shoe 1128 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,960 rotations. So he says this. 1129 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,480 You guys talk a lot about the utility of training with 1130 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,760 multiple shoes. In principle, I understand the 1131 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,760 concept, but I wonder if you could elaborate on how such a 1132 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,240 training plan would actually work. 1133 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,320 Specifically, when you talk about multiple shoes, are you 1134 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,440 imagining that if, for example, one runs in neutral shoes, the 1135 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,240 individual should have multiple but different pairs of neutral 1136 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,800 shoes? Or would the advantages be 1137 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,160 maximized by alternating soft plus shoes with a firmer or more 1138 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,560 rigid shoe? In other words, what are the 1139 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,600 kinds of combinations find optimal? 1140 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,920 Understanding that there's no set piece answer here. 1141 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,400 Lastly, what regimen would you recommend in terms of how one 1142 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,320 alternates between shoes? For example, three days in one 1143 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,080 one day or another or what? Again, I know that this isn't a 1144 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,960 fixed answer, but wondering what we have found works for us. 1145 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,000 Love to hear your thoughts on these. 1146 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,880 I'm going to kick this one off really quick and then I'll open 1147 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,040 it up. I won't even fully answer the 1148 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,240 question, but I think our discussion about shoe rotations 1149 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:33,200 were born out of a study by Laurent Melzo back in 2015. 1150 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,280 So this is a study from a little while ago. 1151 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,920 I have not seen the study replicated and so I we're going 1152 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,480 off of one study. Can I'll finish talking about 1153 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,760 this study and then you should jump in. 1154 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,880 Is that cool? No, no, I'm not comment on the 1155 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,000 study after you after you do this, but I'll explain why it'd 1156 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,960 be like impossible to redo this. Jumping out of his seat to talk. 1157 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,720 Yeah. So I think what we have to 1158 00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:00,840 understand about this study is that they did not prescribe a 1159 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,320 shoe rotation. They were observing runners and 1160 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,040 then they were seeing who got injured and who did not get 1161 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,120 injured. And what they found is that 1162 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,520 people who used their primary shoe for basically less than, 1163 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,160 you know, 59% of the time, I think was was the amount they 1164 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,280 had a 38% decrease in injury risk. 1165 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,360 What they didn't report is how they did that rotation, which 1166 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,280 shoes they were rotating between. 1167 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,200 All they knew is that they were using more than one shoe because 1168 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,440 their primary shoe was less than 59% of the time and they had a 1169 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,520 38% reduction. So we can go into those kind of 1170 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,960 details of how it works out. But just recognize that from a, 1171 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,440 from a study perspective, all we really have is the fact that 1172 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,120 diversifying your shoes may be and it's, it's definitely a may 1173 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,520 because it's one study may decrease your injury risk. 1174 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,640 So I'm just going to throw that out there to start. 1175 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,280 Matt, what did you want to add? The study a sample size was 264 1176 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,440 and any of the researchers out there know that trying to get 1177 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,200 that many for any kind of like follow up study is a nightmare. 1178 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,120 So good luck replicating that with that sample size. 1179 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,680 It's heart and Malizo. I say this in the nicest way 1180 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,560 possible. That guy is smart and nuts. 1181 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,800 Like one of the other studies they did like he had 800 runners 1182 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,520 and they had specially made shoes for all of my it never 1183 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,120 didn't say I think it might have been Brooks. 1184 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,640 He didn't admit it when I we had him on the podcast, but like, 1185 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,200 the sample sizes that this guy has used is insane. 1186 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,560 And you don't see that for bio mechanics research or any of the 1187 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,480 stuff. So like it's really hard. 1188 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,680 So we may never see that replicated, but yeah, that's 1189 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,560 why, yeah. I will say completely off of the 1190 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,880 research kick. Perfect. 1191 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,920 That's where we wanted to get to. 1192 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,320 But I think we had to lay the foundation and then talk about, 1193 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,240 like, you know, some practicalities because it wasn't 1194 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,080 addressed in the study. Depending on how serious you 1195 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,160 take your running, I think First off, if it's very casual, who 1196 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,480 cares? If you are trying to go as fast 1197 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,120 as you can and you're using shoes as tools and you're trying 1198 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,880 to get the Max utility out of things. 1199 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,040 When you look at whether it's professional or collegiate or 1200 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,200 really any kind of ranked version of running, people do 1201 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,760 not do all of their efforts in one shoe. 1202 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,120 And when I say all of their efforts, I mean all of their 1203 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,440 efforts. We're talking daily running, 1204 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,320 long runs, long Rd. workouts, tempos, track workouts, and 1205 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,080 ultimately at the end of the day, racing shoes are tools and 1206 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,440 they help facilitate those things. 1207 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,920 So when we talk about having different shoe rotations, that 1208 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,400 doesn't necessarily imply that all three of your shoes on that 1209 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,240 rotation are neutral. Let's say on your easy day, if 1210 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,800 you like something with a little bit more stability or a little 1211 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,480 bit more rocker or something that you can kind of feel quote 1212 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,960 UN quote lazy in and kind of just roll and have a nice 1213 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,320 rhythmic like flow, that's OK, right? 1214 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,240 Like you kind of find the feel for the things that you like on 1215 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520 the easy days, but on your go fast days, you're going fast. 1216 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,160 And if that shoe is not the shoe that you go fast in, that's OK. 1217 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,680 That's that's why we have a rotation. 1218 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,160 And so that's when you have a different quiver of things that 1219 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,400 you can pull for different uses. And the day that you go fast in 1220 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,520 on your workouts, maybe you want a little bit of extra 1221 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,960 durability, you want a little bit of extra structure on your 1222 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,320 foot. You go with the lightweight 1223 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,640 trainer versus, let's say, a super shoe. 1224 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,560 Some people do their workouts and they're racing in super 1225 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,080 shoes. And I'm actually OK with that. 1226 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,800 I think that's fine. I think as long as you dose 1227 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,000 things appropriately and you're getting a needed stimulus to do 1228 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,600 your racing, that's totally fine. 1229 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,400 There's plenty of people that do that and do it very well. 1230 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,880 But the idea of having a rotation is to have something 1231 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,640 augment your training so that when race day comes, you are 1232 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,880 ready and you can actually do it healthy and productive in a way 1233 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,760 that is your best, right? Because ultimately you want to 1234 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,240 race at your best and you want to run faster than you've ever 1235 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,600 run before in theory, or at least win a race if if you're 1236 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,440 trying to win a race. Because if you're not going for 1237 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,880 time. Some races are purely 1238 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,520 competition based. And it's like, I just want a 1239 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,240 place right there. And that's still the same goal. 1240 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,360 What's that? And sometimes it's you just want 1241 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,240 to finish and not die, which was me on July 4th. 1242 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,160 Yeah, And, and your choice of footwear might reflect that, 1243 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,080 right? Where it's like, maybe I don't 1244 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,240 go with the shoe that's as aggressive and quote UN quote 1245 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,000 faster on me, but I choose the one that's a little bit safer 1246 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,880 that I know I'll be able to finish the race in, especially 1247 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,400 in the marathon. I mean, like, I feel like that's 1248 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,080 one of those like really dicey ones where you kind of almost 1249 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,440 have to like you almost kind of have to know and try it and like 1250 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,600 and, and have a good feeling about the shoe that's on your 1251 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,520 foot. Because the half, I feel like 1252 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,760 you can kind of get away with it depending on how experienced you 1253 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,240 are. But the marathon's just a 1254 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,680 different beast. But ultimately it's using the 1255 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,040 shoes as tools to help augment your running That that's really 1256 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,920 what we mean with the rotation. They don't all have to be 1257 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,120 neutral. They don't all have to be 1258 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,160 stability. They don't all have to be 1259 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,400 lightweight for that matter. If you like running in like a 12 1260 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,680 ounce shoe that's just a durable tank for your easy days, by all 1261 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,000 means do it. Like there's shoes out there for 1262 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,200 that and there's people that love them and they sell for a 1263 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,280 reason. And then if you want to use that 1264 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,480 same shoe for race day because you like it and it's predictable 1265 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,480 and it's stable for you, do it. That's fine. 1266 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,800 It just comes down to what you want and what you're looking 1267 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,080 for. What do you have, Matt? 1268 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,200 There's there's kind of two different ways I would look and 1269 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,640 I totally agree with David. So if you just have a couple 1270 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,000 shoes that you like, let's let's assume for example, all three of 1271 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,400 them are just different standard neutral daily trainers. 1272 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,000 And if that's and you're not looking to run super fast, 1273 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,240 you're just like, I just want a couple different shoes, maybe 2, 1274 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,800 maybe 3, whatever. I would honestly just take, go 1275 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,000 switch one one day, one the other and just go back and forth 1276 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,040 and back and forth, right? Because we do, while we don't 1277 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,000 have a ton of evidence on this, we do know that the shoes tend 1278 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,280 to last a little bit longer. If you get, if you switch them 1279 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,680 out and you do have a little bit of recovery time for the foam 1280 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,480 itself, it does reform a little bit better. 1281 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,840 So just every other day switching off could be a totally 1282 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,120 great thing. You can do that if you have, if 1283 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,960 you have a right of shoes. Once a neutral wants stability 1284 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,680 just because you happen to like both, not you're like, I need 1285 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,360 this. You'd be like, you know what if 1286 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,600 I'm more tired one day, I do neutral shoe for a couple days 1287 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,680 and then or I do the stability shoe and then maybe for the 1288 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,840 neutral shoe, it's like, Oh, I'm going to go a little like a 1289 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,960 little quicker or like it's more comfortable. 1290 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,280 Whatever I do it on that day. It doesn't have to be perfect, 1291 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,640 but just have some variation. It might be two days of 1 shoe, 1292 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,840 two days the other. Just vary a little bit. 1293 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,120 Now if you're starting to get a little more competitive, you're 1294 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,880 like, okay, I have a long run. I have these easy ones, I have a 1295 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,880 workout. Then definitely you might want 1296 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,200 different shoes there where like your workout, as David said, 1297 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,480 might be a lightweight trainer, might be a super shoe. 1298 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,200 It's a shoe that's meant for that faster efforts. 1299 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,400 Your easy days are going to be that more standard neutral shoe, 1300 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,520 right? Your whatever your normal shoe 1301 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,960 is or stability, right? Which in my case, yeah, right. 1302 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,720 Whatever you're normally most comfortable in should be that 1303 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,920 shoe. And a long run might be a shoe 1304 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,080 that's more cushioned or, or it could also be that same a 1305 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,760 different super shoe or just a light something that makes you 1306 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,040 feel comfortable over that longer distance might be a good 1307 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,760 option. I'll give myself an example 1308 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,360 like, you know, I ran a super shoe on on a race on July 4th. 1309 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,200 It's what the July 6th. So July 4th did a race super 1310 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,920 shoe OK July 5th, the next day my wife wanted to do a long run 1311 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,000 and that's where I used a more cushion, a different and a more 1312 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,080 cushioned shoe that I knew I could take for that distance. 1313 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,360 It was going to be more comfortable the next day. 1314 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,600 After that was the recovery date. 1315 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,080 My legs were trashed and so I just took a neutral training 1316 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,640 shoe that was a little bit softer. 1317 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,480 That just helped me get through the run. 1318 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,680 It was I was looking to go fast. I just wanted something 1319 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,160 comfortable and simple on my feet. 1320 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,960 So there are three different shoes over three different days 1321 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,080 because each run was different. And I'm using the shoes as tools 1322 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,040 to match those things. So it doesn't have to be 1323 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,040 perfect, but having a little, even a little variety each day 1324 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,840 or each run can be great. Now, if you're only running like 1325 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,040 3 * a week, then you can get away with maybe wearing the 1326 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,640 shoes, the same shoe, two different, you know, one after 1327 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,920 another because you've got some recovery. 1328 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,200 But especially if you're running every other day and you have a 1329 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,800 few, I would switch off between them if they're similar 1330 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,200 categories. Yeah. 1331 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,280 Just me. That's great. 1332 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,080 I know that. Brad, you said that you 1333 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,800 understand the concept behind this. 1334 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,080 I know I kind of explained the study, but we didn't really talk 1335 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,400 about the theory as to why the shoe rotation helped. 1336 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,880 So I just wanted to kind of round this out by bringing that 1337 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,880 back up. And really the theory behind it 1338 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:31,280 is running is an extremely repetitive activity, which means 1339 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,800 that the same stress is being put through your body over and 1340 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,120 over and over again. Thousands to 10 thousands of 1341 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,080 steps of the same motion with the same stress over and over. 1342 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,600 So the idea is that if you have a different shoe, the shoe is 1343 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,680 going to even in a micro small way, change how those stresses 1344 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,440 are going through your body, whether that's because the shoe, 1345 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,680 two different shoes have, as you mentioned, maybe one's more 1346 01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,040 stiff and one's more soft. Maybe one has a more rockered 1347 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,400 platform and one when it's a little bit more flexible. 1348 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,040 This even if they're very minute differences, they are going to 1349 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,000 slightly change how the stress gets put through your body, 1350 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,040 which could decrease the chance of repetitive breakdown of the 1351 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,200 same tissue. So that's the theory behind it. 1352 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,480 So I would the example I'm going to give and then we can, we'll 1353 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,200 wrap up tonight. But I have a friend who just got 1354 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,320 into running last year and I did say like, I don't know if you 1355 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,840 have the capacity to get 2 shoes, but I would recommend 1356 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,120 having two different shoes just to run in them. 1357 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,440 So he, he was like, well, which one should I get? 1358 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,640 And I was like, go find 2 shoes that you find comfortable that 1359 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,200 are just different models and just pick 2 because I didn't 1360 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,160 care if one was like a very stiff rocker shoe and 1 was 1361 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,520 really soft and maximal and 1 was minimal. 1362 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,360 I just wanted them to be different. 1363 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,880 Like I would say different enough would have been if 1364 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,360 someone picked a New Balance 880 and a Ride 18. 1365 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,040 Those are two kind of flagship neutral shoes, but they're 1366 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,320 different enough because they're going to give a slightly 1367 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,760 different stimulus. My friend ended up picking a 1368 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,120 Saucony Endorphin Speed and the Saucony ride. 1369 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,960 So he ended up picking 2 shoes from Saucony. 1370 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,440 He likes running in both of them. 1371 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,000 He'll take this and how he parses it out for his rotation 1372 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,160 is he'll take the Endorphin speed on long runs and any 1373 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,120 workouts and then he just takes the ride on everything else. 1374 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,600 All of his easy runs and recovery runs and all the other 1375 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,080 daily stuff. So he kind of matches the shoe 1376 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,640 to what he likes doing in that shoe. 1377 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,000 But yes, in theory, if the shoes are different, that's going to 1378 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,560 help change the type of stimulus on your body. 1379 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,880 But they don't need to be at such extremes that your body 1380 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,600 can't handle. So go find 2 shoes that you 1381 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,680 really like, get both of those, and then just pair them with the 1382 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,080 type of run that you like doing in that one more than the other 1383 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,400 one that you have. So that would be my practical 1384 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,160 advice of how to make it happen. I don't think it needs to be 1385 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,880 super complicated or regimented. I think it should feel intuitive 1386 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,840 and it should make sense. All right, so thank you all for 1387 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,000 coming with us on another mailbag episode. 1388 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,720 We love getting to interact with you in this way, and we're 1389 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,560 thankful that you engage with us in such a powerful way that we 1390 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,600 get to know your questions. We get to hopefully give some 1391 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,560 helpful responses, and we're just thankful to be sitting in 1392 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,920 this place where we get to engage with all of you on your 1393 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,720 questions. So thanks for being with us on 1394 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,400 this journey and we'll talk to you next time.