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Hello everybody, and welcome to 
the Doctors Running podcast 

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where we, a group of doctors of 
physical therapy, discuss the 

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art and science of running and 
the stuff that we put on our 

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feet today at the round table, 
we have Doctor Matthew Klein, 

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the founder of Doctors Running 
and straight up good guy. 

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We also have Doctor David Salas 
and myself I'll be hosting. 

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I'm Nathan Brown and as always, 
this podcast cast is presented 

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by our partner Rabbit Apparel. 
If you want to check out all of 

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their running gear, you can go 
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You can even use the code 
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10% off any order that you place
for a one time purchase in 

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February. 
And we got some fun stuff coming

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with them, but we can't really 
talk about it yet. 

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But that should be fun. 
That's usually my job to say 

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that I can't talk about it. 
Right, it's usually your job. 

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Yeah, I will say it's been 
really cool to have to have this

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partnership with them. 
Like it's been my one of my 

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favorite apparel companies and 
then it's now just feeding into 

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my love. 
And I know I've said this 

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before. 
All my students know that the 

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the apparel that I'm wearing 
literally every day is some 

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variation of the high country 
totally either the long sleeve 

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or the short sleeve, either the 
wool or the non wool. 

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It was it was enough that 
actually several of them last 

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year during Halloween all got 
like that, like wore Plaid 

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shirts trying to imitate that. 
So as a as a like I like this. 

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I wouldn't all bought, I bought 
each 1A fitted pair of the high 

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country short sleeve. 
So then we can I actually take a

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photo with them, all of them 
with me where I get. 

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So yeah, it's just been an 
awesome company and that it's 

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really cool to have the US 
space, You know, even though I'm

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in Oregon, still like a little 
bit of a Californian heart. 

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So I was also born there. 
So it's cool to have Santa 

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Barbara. 
I just have the passion that 

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goes for making really good 
apparel there because man is 

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comfortable. 
I got the the easy long sleeve 

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under this and I forget every 
time David talks about this all 

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the time and like it can't be 
that good even though I have 

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one. 
And then I put it on like, oh, 

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like this is really. 
They're they're cussy. 

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They do a good job. 
Yeah, it's definitely they are 

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durability. 
And I'm not just saying this 

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because we're partnering with 
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It's a great it's a great 
apparel company because they've 

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got a great mission behind them 
and because the durability and 

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the the quality actually matches
what their price tag is. 

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Yeah, it's definitely pricey. 
But I say this is someone who's 

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been throughout the industry and
now, you know, I'm companies, 

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not going to name, but like some
stuff that I was really loving 

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for a long time is wearing out 
at a very fast rate. 

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And I'm like, oh, that's that's 
the trade off. 

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This has been great. 
You know, all my high country 

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stuff even gets worn every day 
is doing awesome. 

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So it's awesome. 
Really honored that we can do 

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this for sure. 
You should all get high 

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countries. 
I've got three. 

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I mean, I could say so good. 
Sorry, over there. 

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Yeah. 
All right. 

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They're they're really nice. 
We have a fun episode planned 

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for today. 
We are doing a this or that 

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which was gleaned from 
everybody's responses on social.

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If you're not with us on social,
I guess you can check us out at 

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Doctors of running on pretty 
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And we usually put out asks for 
different podcast episodes that 

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we're doing. 
And so these are all from 

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people. 
And some of these are quite 

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intense for like unnecessarily 
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But before we get to the this or
that episode, we got to talk 

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about what's in for testing. 
So this is the in for testing 

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segment. 
What have you been all running 

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in? 
Yeah. 

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Hey, do you want to go? 
Now go for it. 

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I got to. 
I got to pull AU in a second. 

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Yeah, so for me, the written 
review is just finished writing 

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today, so by the time this air 
airs, this written review will 

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definitely be out. 
But this is the Solomon Ultra 

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Glide 4 trail running shoe. 
Max stack 41 in the heel, 36 in 

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the four or yeah, 36 in the four
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I don't know, 600 drop, 
whatever. 

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That math comes out to 35. 
Very nice. 

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I've actually really, really 
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So there's a pretty high chance 
I might be writing about this 

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later in the year. 
What's that? 

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I see a inquisitive look. 
What remind me, what is the name

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of the version? 
It's like it almost looks the 

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same, but it's got like the 
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it's it's. 
Slab Ultra Glide. 

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Which one do you like better? 
You know, I think I might 

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actually like this one and it's 
only 160 bucks. 

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I feel exactly the same way. 
Go keep going, I'll add to it. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. 
I think from a value standpoint,

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this this might be the trail 
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And we're early in the year 
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So it's kind of like hard to say
because other things are going 

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to come later down the line. 
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thing's at 41 millimeters of 
stack. 

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It's just under 10 oz. 
So it's pretty light. 

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I mean, you can see if you're a 
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that can't see, there's these 
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integrated into the shoe and it 
really just kind of cradles your

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foot and helps give you some 
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And they don't feel intrusive, 
which is crazy when you look at 

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how big those things are. 
They look like they could be and

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everything in this shoe. 
There's really no wasted space. 

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And I mean, this is one of the 
better grades that I've put on a

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review in quite a while. 
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The only thing with this shoe is
the volume is pretty low through

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the midfoot, so the tongue can 
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pressure on the top of your 
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But it's really padded. 
And so I didn't have any like 

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pain from it, but it was just 
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But thankfully, like, I mean, I 
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going into trails and having 
foot swelling, I had no issues. 

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I think my longest effort so far
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there, which obviously isn't 
like an ultra, but like it's a 

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healthy amount of time out 
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And I, I didn't have any issues.
So, and that was a pretty warm 

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day too. 
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-20° it's like 70. 
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are in a weird. 
We're just randomly going to 

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throw -20 out there. 
Doesn't expense because that's 

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what you guys are experiencing. 
It is exactly what we're 

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experiencing. 
Yeah, I was trying to be 

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accurate. 
Yeah, but it's nice and the 

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upper is surprisingly plush, but
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Like I thought my foot would run
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I didn't get any hot spots or 
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So it's honestly a kind of a 
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I don't know how they cooked 
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And at 160, I think it's 
immediately competitive with 

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like the rest of the market. 
So yeah, Ultra Glide 4 from 

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Solomon. 
Ultra Glide 3 was my favorite 

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trail shoe of the year when and 
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get it. 
I will add the ultra I the S lab

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version I struggle with just 
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walls, I don't know if it's just
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and the whole thing could 
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it could. 
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where they just consistent 
midsole everything came together

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where the side walls I could 
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people are sensitive. 
Just be aware that you're going 

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to notice them. 
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in the ultra glide for traction 
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The midsole just much better. 
I don't know how much of a fan I

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really am of these like dual 
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like small layer of super foam 
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I'm like, either give it to me 
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And I I might be a rarity. 
And you can totally disagree 

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that I think that just might be 
a me thing because I slammed 

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through it so quick. 
I'm like, what was that? 

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And then it's the rest of the 
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But yeah, yeah, I just, this was
and it's got the classic Salomon

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fit. 
Like it's Salomon is not wide, 

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it's not high volume. 
If that's something you like, 

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this is the consistent thing, 
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Yeah. 
I didn't have any issues in the 

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forefoot though. 
It was just the mid foot that 

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felt like snug, right? 
Yeah, Yeah, there's that and 

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then coming out very soon as 
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Written review may or may not be
released by the the time this 

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airs. 
I don't know if it will just 

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based on our scheduling, but 
this is the Brooks Glister in 23

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daily training shoe DNA tuned in
the midsole. 

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And I know this is a little bit 
of a polarizing one for the 

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team, but I have actually really
liked it. 

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I just ran 15 in them today and 
it's like this is very quickly 

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kind of becoming a go to trainer
for me. 

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Yeah. 
So I I actually really like it. 

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I've been trying to figure out 
if I like this or the Nimbus 28 

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more currently for the start of 
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They're both kind of plush kind 
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Not the top, top premium, but 
like the step down from that. 

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Yeah, what's up? 
When you say plush, do you mean 

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they're like really soft or that
they're high cushion like high 

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high stack? 
That's a good question. 

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High cushion for the company, 
right? 

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Like when you look at their 
tier, it's like Ghost glycerin, 

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glycerin Max right? 
And if I'm like, let's say 

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ASICS, you're looking at like 
Cumulus, Nimbus Glide, Ride Max,

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but. 
They're not super soft. 

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But actually I feel like for 
Brooks, and maybe it's just a 

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historical thing, it's soft for 
Brooks. 

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OK. 
That's fair, I'm cool with that 

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statement. 
That's fair. 

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Yeah. 
Like for me, this feels this is 

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the softest glycerin that I've 
run in so far. 

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The last one has been. 
Hard to beat, but yeah. 

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But that was also DNA tuned. 
You don't think the other like 

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prior to 22 those ones were like
as soft or softer? 

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I think 21 is like the to me is 
the 21 and 21 GTS were like the 

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OG, like glycerin actually got 
soft, actually got smooth. 

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I was super excited and then it 
got heavy. 

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The softness was still there. 
And then to me with my weird 

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feet that it's been, this one's 
been the firmest, but I haven't 

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run extensively in the glycerin.
It was just the GTS the. 

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GTS. 
Block and I has some issues with

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how the stability the guide 
rails are working with the 

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midsole, but that I think that's
that's also just me. 

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So yeah, and then maybe it's the
guide rails too, I don't know. 

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But I mean, it's not a horribly 
rockered shoe. 

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The glycerin never has. 
It's more of that kind of quote 

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UN quote traditional builds, 
usually a high drop trainer, 

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although it's 8mm now. 
So it's not like a 12 like some 

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of the days of the past, but it 
still feels like a classic 

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traditional feel. 
The heel is rounded. 

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I wouldn't say it's like crazy 
bevelled. 

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It's much better. 
Yeah, forefoot is like, it's 

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rounded just enough. 
It's not. 

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This isn't going to be a very, 
like, highly rockered 

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experience. 
And the forefoot actually has 

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some flexibility to it for how 
much foam there is. 

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But I actually like it. 
And the heel to me feels 

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noticeably softer for a Brooks 
model under foot. 

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And I feel like I can just kind 
of load it and just land right 

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into it. 
And then I get that kind of like

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give in the forefoot that feels 
relatively natural for the toe 

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off. 
And it's, it's just works and 

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it's a durable feeling foam that
I could just beat into the 

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ground. 
And the weight isn't crazy. 

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It's like 10.5 oz, I believe 
10.5 or 10.6 in sample size. 

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So I mean, I feel like for me 
once it starts going north of 11

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is kind of when it starts 
feeling heavy. 

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So like if it's like mid 10s or 
under, like especially for just 

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kind of a workhorse trainer like
it does well. 

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So I've actually been really 
liking it. 

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The upper I think is a lot 
better too than the previous 

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versions as well. 
So a lot more space in the 

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forefoot and the upper doesn't 
feel overly warm. 

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Like it breathes really well. 
I have had no hotspots like I 

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would think Glycerin Max what I 
was saying like a week ago, none

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of that in the Glycerin 23. 
So I've actually I've been I've 

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been really enjoying it. 
We'll see. 

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I got to like do some soul 
searching and see which trainers

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I actually like when I go to 
rank them because I do really 

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like the Nimbus 28 too. 
So that's going to be something.

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And then I got a couple other 
ones, but I mean, I don't have 

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to hit them. 
One I hit last week. 

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So I'll just brush over it. 
Brooks Cascadia Elite that's 

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coming up next for trail 
running. 

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Just finished up the Solomon 
Miles and then we also have the 

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Aeroglide 4. 
Oh nice. 

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Yeah, I'm excited. 
I think it's going to be good, 

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but I have yet to run in it. 
I haven't even put them on yet. 

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So we've been so focused on the 
other reviews. 

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I yeah. 
So we'll see. 

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Lightweight, versatile daily 
trainer that can do a little bit

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of everything. 
So we'll find out. 

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That's great. 
Well, I have one shoe because I 

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actually ran today for the first
time. 

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I was going to say November. 
I am so glad I, you know, I 

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people have been like, how was 
it? 

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And I said I had a ton of fun 
running and I don't feel 

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optimistic. 
I think I'm just. 

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That sounds like running I've. 
Still got a little bit of fear 

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in me. 
I think about just coming back 

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healthy just because this the 
more the top of the foot thing's

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been more of an issue. 
But I am excited to be back. 

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Had a fun morning. 
It was 0° and I haven't gotten 

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used to running outside and cold
because I haven't been this 

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winter so my toes kind of froze 
off in. 

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I'll just talk about the shoe I 
ran in, but y'all have talked 

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about it a lot. 
So it's the Puma DV8 Nitro 4I 

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can tell what you all have been 
talking about with the stiffness

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of the shoe. 
So things that I did that I 

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liked I sized up in this shoe I 
like. 

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I really liked the DV83. 
It was really rhythmic for me, 

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so I could do daily paces and 
then it could pick up with a 

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little bit of pop from the 
midsole. 

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I, I like that. 
I but it was a little bit snug. 

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So I sized up and I really like 
that I sized up. 

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So I'm usually a size 9. 
This is a 9 1/2 and I feel like 

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I have a lot of good room, But 
I, I shuffled this morning, so I

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ran really, really slow, really 
easy heart rate was like one 20s

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or something, so like pretty low
effort and I, I couldn't get and

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in my hand I can flex this. 
So I figured, you know, I'd bend

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the plate, but when I once I got
running, it felt kind of flat 

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just because of that, I just 
couldn't roll through very well.

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So I'll probably wait to pull 
this out until I can put a 

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little more into the shoe to 
test it. 

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But kudos to the design person. 
There's like a heel tab here and

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when you pull it up, it says 
made you look. 

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And I thought that was funny. 
Forgot about that. 

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So that got me. 
And this is a shoe with the dual

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density midsole thing, Matt. 
And I do like, I thought I was 

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going to like the shoe even just
today more than I did because I 

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like that little bit of cushion.
I love the Vomero 17 when they 

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did that in that shoe. 
But yeah, so it was just good to

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get out and run again. 
And I'm, I'm hopeful, I guess I 

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said. 
I'm not hopeful, but I am truly 

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hopeful that I can get in a 
rhythm and pick things back up. 

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Yeah, the like the variety of 
emotions sounds like you started

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a return to run program. 
Yes, it's how it goes. 

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It's. 
And then like, oh, I wasn't 

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going that fast. 
Oh, sounds like you did the 

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right thing about keeping your 
heart rate low and keeping the 

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intensity low. 
So we just only increase 1 

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variable at a time. 
That sounds like you're doing 

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great. 
It's what my coach told me to 

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do. 
That's good. 

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Andrea told me get a coach. 
And I said, yeah, that's simple.

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Yes, ma'am, I will get a coach. 
And I did, and he's helping me 

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out. 
Sweet. 

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But you might. 
I got 2 1/2 that I'm going to 

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run through. 
I'm going to pull up David. 

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And I can't talk about the last 
one even though I'm really 

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excited about. 
It's been really, really good. 

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First one I can't talk about 
because this will be out. 

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At least the embargo is up by 
the time that this will go out. 

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But this is the high, low axis. 
I'm really enjoying this shoe. 

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It is their first stability 
shoe, which they have kind of 

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what's called Hyperbolt and they
got a ring around in the the 

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heel and a little bit into the 
midfoot and the other components

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of like a wider midfoot and all 
the kind of good things you'd 

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expect from a kind of new age 
stability shoe. 

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It was a little bit interesting 
at first. 

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The volume took a second and the
fit took a second to get used 

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to. 
It's like wide breath and tapers

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and the volumes lower. 
So once you can optimize that, 

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it's good. 
I really enjoyed walking and 

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standing in this shoe, to be 
honest. 

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Running, it's still breaking in.
It did. 

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I think I was hoping it was 
going to be like super shoe ask,

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but it's got a more traditional 
midsole phone. 

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The midsole is great. 
It's doing really, really well. 

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It's just not going to be the 
bounciest thing. 

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It's a daily as in quoting 
David, it's a daily driver. 

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OK. 
Or wait, Nathan, you also say 

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that? 
I don't Who says? 

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Never mind who says daily 
driver. 

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I don't know, I don't know. 
Me. 

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David, you don't say daily 
driver. 

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No, I definitely don't say 
daily. 

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Driver, I just I, I just got a 
bag of coffee from Santa Barbara

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for I'm forgetting the company's
name, but it said his daily 

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driver was the name of the 
coffee. 

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And I was like, well, David. 
Then I'm like, oh, wait, no, I'm

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David anyway, sorry. 
It's totally right. 

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But yeah, it's definitely it's a
solid daily training stability 

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shoe kind of stability more in 
the rear foot. 

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I can't give it a hard time. 
I think this is a phenomenal 

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shoe because again, totally 
green and it's definitely on par

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with a lot of the stability 
shoes coming out. 

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Just because not to take this 
the wrong way, like most 

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stability shoes out there aren't
coming out as that smooth. 

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And like we kind of seem to 
regress a little bit with a lot 

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of models where like the heels 
are getting clunkier and they're

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getting heavier again. 
So this is 10.4 oz from inside. 

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So it's not bad. 
It's lighter than a lot of the 

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other stuff out there. 
There is a heel bevel. 

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It's slightly medial, so I'm a 
little bit annoyed about that, 

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but it it's broken in. 
So it's really solid. 

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And I think Hilo for their first
stability shoe, this is a great,

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great thing. 
But I gotta say, this is 

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probably what I'm be wearing at 
CSM. 

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It's been really comfortable for
walking around too. 

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Other shoes up well too, like 
you're saying, yeah, CSM for the

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listeners is a conference for 
PTS. 

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Yeah, that. 
Nathan and I will be at in 

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Anaheim. 
The other one that I'm actually 

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really enjoying, although it is 
not stable and I'm seeing some 

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reviewers and others being like,
oh, it's so stable. 

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I'm like, dude, this is not 
stable at all. 

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Like it's wobbly. 
But this is honestly one of the 

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best versions of this the Hocus 
Cielo. 

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Did I say that right, Cielo? 
Yeah. 

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X13 point O This is the 
bounciest one by far. 

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I was not excited about version 
2. 

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I really didn't get a lot out of
it. 

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This is like very tall, very 
soft, very responsive, 

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definitely a long distance shoe 
because I have trouble turning 

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this over. 
Really like really like 

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sprinting. 
But I've cooked and put a five O

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3 and a five O 9 mile at the end
of temple runs on this thing. 

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So it it can cook definitely 
fits very snug for those who 

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like that and it's not a 
stability shoe. 

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OK, it's not stable. 
It's going to be those from 

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neutral mechanics, but they're 
they're cooking. 

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So how? 
Old are you that? 

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Let them cook. 
Let. 

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Them cook. 
Is that really that new of a 

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term? 
I don't know, I no. 

382
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No, it's. 
Not turn to res you all. 

383
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Right. 
It's right, Yeah. 

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What do you think? 
So what? 

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Like, because you're saying you 
have a hard time turning over, 

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what? 
At what pace do you feel like 

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turning over is for you? 
Because. 

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I get let. 
Me feel those would be like. 

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I mean, that'd be 15, that'd be 
sub 165K. 

390
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,480
Yeah. 
So let me let me clarify that 

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that when I start workouts, I 
don't feel like I can hit like 

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into sprinting or like faster 
interval pace. 

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It feels like this shoe does 
violate long tempos, tempo runs,

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longer efforts. 
Now at the end of those I can 

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definitely smash the heel down 
and bounce along even quicker. 

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But like just starting out 
doesn't feel like it's not to 

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me. 
This isn't a 5K shoe. 

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This is definitely like 10K half
full marathon for those are 

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stable enough. 
That's great. 

400
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That's just me, I'm totally 
wrong. 

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The last shoe ends with a three 
and that's all I can say and I'm

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enjoying it. 
Yeah, because it the embargo 

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ends like 2 days after. 
After this releases so. 

404
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Yeah. 
So I can't say anything. 

405
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To talk about it so. 
I'd love to talk about it, but I

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can't. 
Next time. 

407
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,960
Yeah. 
All right. 

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Well, that's our in for testing 
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You can go to scratchla-bs.com, 

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that gets you 20% off your first

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order if you have not checked 
them out before. 

412
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,440
Yes, Matthew. 
I just ran out of my watermelon.

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Oh. 
My gosh, it's tough, Tough 

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sledding. 
It's tough sledding. 

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It's good. 
It's amazing, anyway. 

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All right, now let's get into 
our this or that segment. 

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What we do in these episodes is 
we get submissions from you all 

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as listeners and part of the Dor
community who kind of pit 2 

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ideas against each other and we 
get to discuss why we pick one 

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or the other, which takes us out
of our comfort zone of usually 

421
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trying to be as nuanced as 
possible. 

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We usually give ourselves one 
cheat per episode and like I 

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said, some of these are spicy 
unnecessarily and. 

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He should he's being honest. 
Like I give myself a cheat an 

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episode, they stay to the I just
hit the mic. 

426
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I feel like we all stay to the 
whole script. 

427
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No, we all cheat. 
I think we all cheat. 

428
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I feel like I'm always the one 
being like. 

429
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I mean you do, but you also make
those noises and hand gestures 

430
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while we just straight up cheat 
and then not escape. 

431
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Well, let's do it the. 
Hand gestures are appreciated. 

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We're going to jump into the 
first one here. 

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This is a shoe related one and 
it's kind of the premise of 

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which if you had to pick one of 
these types of shoes for a shoe 

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rotation, would you rather pick 
a true easy day shoe or a 

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versatile do it all? 
So you can't have both. 

437
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You got to pick one of those to 
be in your shoe rotation. 

438
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Yeah, man. 
I'm definitely going with the 

439
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versatile option and that's me 
like the the Saucony Azure right

440
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now. 
Like if I wasn't testing shoes 

441
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and I, I, I did 100 mile review 
recently, Bach might put it up 

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by the time this is up, but I 
would rather have the versatile 

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do it all trainer than the pure 
easy day shoe because I want the

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flexibility to kind of do what I
want. 

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So if I decide, hey, I'm going 
to pick up the pace, I like 

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lighter stuff. 
Like that's, that's just me and 

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I know lots of other people are 
different, but I'm going to go 

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00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,360
with I want the versatile shoe. 
I'm going to go the opposite for

449
00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:00,560
myself this year. 
I think that having a versatile 

450
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,480
shoe through this through the 
lifespan of this next shoe that 

451
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,200
I would buy wouldn't last me 
long enough for me to really 

452
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,440
utilize a do it all shoe. 
And therefore I would go the 

453
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,680
easy day shoe. 
Like I'm thinking about what do 

454
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,920
I want to start running in? 
And the one that didn't work for

455
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,840
me was today was the DV84. 
But I'm like, OK, maybe I'll try

456
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,680
the glycerin. 
Maybe I'll try the Ford via 2. 

457
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,240
Like these are some shoes that 
don't have a big toe spring. 

458
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,640
They've got a little bit of a 
rocker. 

459
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,320
They have some cushion to them 
so that I'm not putting as much 

460
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,480
load through the top part of my 
foot. 

461
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,000
I'm trying to like offload that 
a little bit. 

462
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,960
So I want that. 
I want that rockered cushion 

463
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,880
feel right now and I don't want 
it to push me forward. 

464
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,240
So I'm I'm going for myself. 
I would be going true easy day 

465
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,880
shoe. 
I think that if I were in a 

466
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,920
healthy state and if I was 
looking for value, I would be 

467
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,680
going the versatile do it all, 
but that's not where I am right 

468
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,480
now. 
David, what about you? 

469
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,440
I might have to use my cheat 
already. 

470
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,840
Already. 
OK, maybe you were right. 

471
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,920
I was wrong. 
OK, fine, I'm wrong. 

472
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,400
Just kidding. 
I wish we had more details on 

473
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,120
like how large this rotation is.
Let's call it A-23 shoe 

474
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:18,200
rotation. 3 shoe rotation. 22 
rotation. 2 All right, let's 2 

475
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,720
shoe rotation make it. 
Harder rotation. 

476
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,120
What's harder for you to answer?
Actually the two shoe is the 

477
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:29,520
easiest, so for A2 shoe rotation
I would go the easy day shoe in 

478
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,080
my race day shoe. 
What? 

479
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,200
Yeah, really. 
Especially because a lot of 

480
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,080
these daily shoes are starting 
to get pretty light anyways. 

481
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,760
I don't know. 
I mean, a lot of these daily 

482
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,080
trainers are like in the 9 point
oz now. 

483
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,960
Like that's pretty light. 
That was a performance trainer 

484
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,560
not that long ago, Matt. 
Like. 

485
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,040
Yes, but that a lot of them this
year have gone have gone heavy 

486
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,760
and they're back above the 10 oz
range. 

487
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,760
Some of them. 
Which is OK, a lot of them. 

488
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,960
Yeah, but man, I'm, I would just
do my workouts in the Super shoe

489
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720
or whatever, you know, like I 
would if it was a fast one, 

490
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,320
right. 
Like if it's A2 shoe rotation, 

491
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,480
I'm going to have something to 
go really easy and something to 

492
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,360
go really fast and I'll pick and
choose for the stuff in the 

493
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,200
middle. 
If I had a three shoe rotation I

494
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,840
would just have all three. 
The versatile would be the 

495
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,240
middle. 
It would just be. 

496
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,560
Yeah, yeah. 
So it would be like now. 

497
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,280
You understand what I said 2. 
Yeah, yeah. 

498
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,680
So 2 forces me to choose, but 
like I would have my easy day 

499
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,560
shoe for my easy stuff, my 
versatile shoe for my workouts 

500
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,200
and then for race specific, 
either racing or tuning up to 

501
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,880
like go into a race and make 
sure the shoe works like those 

502
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,400
types of select workouts for the
racing shoe. 

503
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,640
That'd be that 3 shoe rotation 
for me. 

504
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,520
So if it's A2 shoe rotation, as 
much as I love the Azura and the

505
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,680
feel of a lot of those shoes, 
it's just I don't know that I 

506
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000
would want to do every daily 
mile in some of them. 

507
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,680
You know, where it's like, I 
almost would rather have my slow

508
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000
shuffling days be those, be just
that. 

509
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,360
And then if it can turn the pace
up to whatever I needed to, I'd 

510
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,000
do that. 
And then if it can't, then I 

511
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,200
just opt for the Super shoe or 
the racing shoe. 

512
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,480
That's good. 
So yeah, I can see. 

513
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,680
Too why you would go ahead? 
Sorry. 

514
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,880
No, no, that's just that's just 
my reasoning through. 

515
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,000
This I can see why the easy day 
and then the Super shoe would 

516
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,400
work for you because your 
workouts are good for a super 

517
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,120
shoe or is like, what if I look 
at my even my healthy workouts, 

518
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,520
a lot of my workouts in a super 
shoe wouldn't be the most 

519
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,800
comfortable shoe to do the 
workouting because I'm not going

520
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,720
fast enough. 
So I see where we would probably

521
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,640
sit differently. 
We're like, if I had a 2 shoe, 

522
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,600
I'd get the versatile in a 
racing shoe would be my 2 or 

523
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,080
even an easy day and and a 
versatile, right? 

524
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,960
He's the versatile for racing, 
but I think it's where we sit 

525
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,880
and you having that 
stratification makes a lot of 

526
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,400
sense. 
Yeah, OK. 

527
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,480
Even like in a day like today 
with the glycerin, not a speed 

528
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,520
shoot at all right and ended the
15 mile run low. 

529
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,160
Keek just kind of wanted the run
to be over. 

530
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,680
So we started picking the pace 
up a little bit and not crazy, 

531
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,040
but like yeah, it was I mean 
last mile was like 630 something

532
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,280
right, like and that's just just
running. 

533
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Well, the whole run was like 
like low 7 mid to 7 low. 

534
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,680
I think it averaged out to 715 
ish probably like, but like with

535
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,800
a second like 6 something isn't 
that fast, right? 

536
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,280
Like for for me like. 
So the Super shoe would make 

537
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,960
sense because if I'm doing a 
workout, it will be in the 

538
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,720
fives, you know, like, or even 
the fours depending if what the 

539
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,200
distance and what the reps are. 
So yeah, no, that makes sense. 

540
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600
But for me, I would just offer 
the Super shoe for the workout 

541
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,240
and the easy shoe for the daily 
runs. 

542
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,520
As much as I love the versatile 
shoes, because that is probably 

543
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,600
my favorite category of shoes, 
it pains me to take that off. 

544
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,360
But I think if I'm being 
realistic and I only had a 2 

545
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,560
shoe rotation, I would just 
choose the two extremes, yeah. 

546
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,720
He didn't cheat. 
Good job. 

547
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,440
You got one. 
You're done. 

548
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,040
All right, let's go to our next 
one here. 1 is saying I didn't. 

549
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720
Cheat and the other is saying I 
cheated I need to know I didn't 

550
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,960
cheat. 
No, you're fine. 

551
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,600
You're good. 
OK, I don't think you cheated. 

552
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,640
Next, let's go. 
So I get to my cheat. 

553
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,240
You can keep your. 
Cheat. 

554
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,800
Yeah, I've been overruled, which
is fine, all right. 

555
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,040
The next one is working in to 
the mildly unnecessary, but 

556
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,520
there's more coming. 
Running in frigid cold with 

557
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,000
shorts or running in heat with 
long pants. 

558
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,920
I think I want to put some 
numbers on this because frigid 

559
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,680
cold for me might look different
than someone in paradise like 

560
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,520
David. 
I'm going to put 0° for me, 

561
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,160
which is going to be like 20 or 
25 for for you, David, maybe. 

562
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Yeah, like under 20. 
Yep. 

563
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,600
Yeah, under. 20 maybe half 
tights or shorts. 

564
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,400
It doesn't say, it just says. 
Shorts. 

565
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,680
Well, it says shorts. 
Or in the heat. 

566
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,880
Because I'm half tights into 
that. 

567
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,120
What? 
Would you call heat? 

568
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,160
In California, OH 100, they were
like. 

569
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,320
Yeah. 9500 plus, Yeah, yeah, 
yeah, definitely. 

570
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,720
No, I'd say 100 because I've 
done plenty of runs in the 90s. 

571
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,160
Like yeah, 80 I've never seen. 
90 is normal, yeah. 

572
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,120
Yeah, 100 is. 100's hot though, 
like I feel like I wouldn't go 

573
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,720
out if it was. 
Well I'm a weenie now, now that 

574
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,240
I've moved to paradise, but when
I was younger I would definitely

575
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,880
run. 
Like if it was South of 105 I'd 

576
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,680
be out there. 
Wow, dude. 

577
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,480
Just because you lived in. 
Redland. 

578
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,360
I mean, like, that's the desert,
desert, desert. 

579
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,080
Yeah, it's not desert. 
It's like. 

580
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,440
It's like the valley before you 
get to the desert. 

581
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
It's like almost there. 
But we're not pre desert though,

582
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,920
OK All Southern Californians. 
All the Southern Californians 

583
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,760
let us know, is that desert or 
is that the valley? 

584
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,200
No, that's how you know in the 
comments. 

585
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,320
I'm 909 fam. 
IE IE is a desert. 

586
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,920
The IE is not a. 
Desert. 

587
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,320
The desert is the desert. 
Anyway, I would say once. 

588
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,600
You pass banning. 
And you start hitting like 

589
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120
whitewater Cabazon. 
Well, Cabazon's before 

590
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,160
Whitewater, but Cabazon, 
Whitewater, dude, that's desert.

591
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,400
That's desert squared. 
No, that's desert, desert. 

592
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,840
That's a literal desert. 
That is southern. 

593
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,560
California is. 
Mostly not quite desert. 

594
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,480
OK, well. 
If we're talking, like, actual 

595
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,320
apology, yeah, Santa Barbara's 
probably a desert by those 

596
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,680
definitions. 
Not really. 

597
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,320
OK. 
Nathan, you were saying I have 

598
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,120
my answer. 
OK. 

599
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,760
And. 
It's heat and long pants because

600
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,640
if I stop running or if I jump 
in the water, I can cool myself 

601
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,120
down. 
Like unless I'm in the desert 

602
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,720
and there's no water around or 
something. 

603
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760
But let me tell you, the desert 
and there's no water around. 

604
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,480
If I go. 
Into 0° weather with shorts on, 

605
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,920
there are going to be 
irreparable consequences to very

606
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,120
important things. 
Just there's and even if you. 

607
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Stop running. 
Like there's no way. 

608
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Like, like there's no way to 
kind of counteract it with if 

609
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,400
I'm in the heat, I can just slow
down. 

610
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,240
I can stop, I can hydrate. 
Like you're just in trouble 

611
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880
period. 
If you are in shorts in 0° 

612
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,240
weather. 
Now are we going to include? 

613
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,880
Full tights in pants, it just 
says. 

614
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,240
Pants, it says Long pants. 
Well, if we include half. 

615
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Tights for frigid? 
Can we include full tights for 

616
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,760
for hot temperatures? 
Sure. 

617
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,800
I don't know. 
I don't make the. 

618
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Rules because there's a 
difference. 

619
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,600
Right. 
Like if I'm wearing like a thin 

620
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,120
full tights versus like a full 
thing of sweatpants that I'd be 

621
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,440
wearing to warm up for a track 
meet or something like something

622
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,600
that's like really warm, that is
a very different thing. 

623
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,600
But they're both full leg. 
Yeah, that's a tough one. 

624
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,920
What about what? 
What do you think, Matt? 

625
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Do you have an answer? 
I I So. 

626
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Again, so for Oregon cold, are 
we going with 0° or are we going

627
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,320
with our kind of normal, just 
keep it at 00 and? 

628
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,040
100, let's just go 0 and 100 
zero and a. 100 real quick, 

629
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,840
yeah. 
So I have run in shorts in about

630
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,400
-5° and had like, like 
everything up top was like 

631
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,320
decked out and like gloves, 
multiple layers. 

632
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,760
And I actually did OK. 
Wouldn't suggest it 'cause it 

633
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,360
is. 
There is danger to that, but 

634
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,200
there's also danger. 
And I think I'm more afraid of 

635
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,240
heat stroke to be honest, having
almost had like had a heat 

636
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
stress. 
What's the lower version? 

637
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Heat stress? 
There's like a, a pre one heat 

638
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,560
exhaustion. 
Heat exhaustion. 

639
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I've, I've had heat. 

640
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Exhaustion multiple times when I
was first in Southern California

641
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,560
and you know, additional layers 
or you just got to be careful. 

642
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,080
So I think because of my 
experiences, I'm more afraid of 

643
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,920
100° in pants than I am shorts 
because shorts I can still wear 

644
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,840
tons of layers that keep core 
body temperature warm. 

645
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,840
And if you're as long as you're 
moving, if you stop, you're 

646
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,680
screwed. 
But if you keep going, you're 

647
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,360
good. 
Whereas the heat, you know, yes,

648
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,720
you can in California, there's 
not a lot of bodies of water and

649
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,840
you can try to stay hydrated, 
but there's a certain 

650
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,440
temperature where like you will 
overheat. 

651
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,520
So I'm I'm more scared of that. 
But that's just me. 

652
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,840
And that's probably because I 
don't live in an area where I 

653
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,160
have better knowledge like 
they've been. 

654
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,160
So you know, my counter to that 
too is. 

655
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,040
Though like if it's that hot and
you're going out in pants, just 

656
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,080
don't don't run hard. 
Like keep it, keep it chill and 

657
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,960
then stop. 
I don't I. 

658
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Klein doesn't know how to chill.
Yeah, no, David, what's your 

659
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,560
pick? 
I. 

660
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,640
I will. 
Say it again, broken. 

661
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Toe concussion. 
Concussion. 

662
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,960
Dude, David, I don't know how. 
You did like when I was first 

663
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,560
down there. 
I remember my first run, I think

664
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,240
it was like 7:30 in the morning.
It was already 105 and I was 

665
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,120
like, that's hot. 7:30 in the. 
Morning was it a heat? 

666
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,640
But then I would it would 
before. 

667
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520
We met, I'd see you do stuff out
Rendlands and it was like 110. 

668
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,640
You're like, oh, just normal 
day. 

669
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,520
I mean I. 
Definitely was out running in 

670
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,040
hot temperatures, yeah. 
And I'm like. 

671
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,160
Oh, I'm a wimp. 
OK, No, no. 

672
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,080
And it might not be. 
Safe for me to be running when 

673
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,440
it's that hot. 
Yeah, correct. 

674
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Yeah, I think the IT, it might 
be different in other states. 

675
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,960
If I remember correctly. 
I think if it's over 105, you 

676
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,600
can't hold like a formal 
practice and or meeting being a 

677
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,320
track meet. 
I and then which we would have 

678
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,000
to actually watch very closely 
being out there when it was hot 

679
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,640
in the springtime and it was 
starting to get warm towards the

680
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240
end of the season, there was 
definitely several times PE had 

681
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880
to get moved inside or practice 
couldn't be held. 

682
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,040
Like stuff like that would 
happen. 

683
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,960
Wasn't all the time, thankfully.
But yeah, no, I mean, I was 

684
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,360
very, very used to running in 
100°. 

685
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Yeah. 
So I think I, I think I almost 

686
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,720
look at it from the lens of when
I look at some ultra runners and

687
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600
stuff, I almost look at it like 
where they wear like UPF 

688
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,080
protective clothing and they 
have like the long sleeves and 

689
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560
they have like coverage to 
protect their skin. 

690
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,200
As long as like you're saying, 
you don't go too crazy with your

691
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,080
pacing and you just kind of keep
yourself chill and you're doing 

692
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,480
the thing. 
I might go full tights and just 

693
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,239
cover myself up in the heat. 
I, I know 100° weather, I don't 

694
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,880
know, 0° weather. 
I think the coldest that I've 

695
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,080
run in might be just a little 
under 20. 

696
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,440
I don't know if I've ever run in
zero. 

697
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,320
You should come, come visit 
that. 

698
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,600
One time when I was in the 
Philly. 

699
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,320
Area like it was pretty cold 
then but I don't remember I 

700
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,760
don't know the exact number it 
was. 

701
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,679
It was pretty frosty though. 
I mean, it was well below 30 for

702
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,320
sure, but I, I think it might 
have been just a little below 

703
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,760
20. 
I don't, I don't think it was 

704
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,560
below 10 though, but yeah. 
Oh, you know what? 

705
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,280
I think it was 17. 
I don't know why I oddly 

706
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,800
remember that all of a sudden. 
I think I remember checking 

707
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,239
because I remember like 
layering. 

708
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,720
I put a long sleeve and then we 
had this Mizuno top, the the one

709
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,040
that keeps you warm. 
Yeah. 

710
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,440
And I wore the full tights. 
I wore the full tights, a long 

711
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,360
sleeve, and then I wore that 
Thermo top on top. 

712
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,120
That'd be good. 
And then I was doing a prototype

713
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,240
shoe for a shoe that I can't 
talk about. 

714
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Well, I guess it's out now. 
It's well out now. 

715
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120
I mean, they're on the 6th. 
Version of the shoe now and. 

716
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,960
This was for the 4th version of 
it, but I remember it vividly 

717
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,800
'cause I wanted to be prepared. 
I didn't want to be because I 

718
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,040
don't know cold, right? 
So like, and I was wearing these

719
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,320
like thin Under Armour gloves 
that I got when I was in 

720
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,200
college. 
Yeah, that's really weird that I

721
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,960
can remember it to that detail 
anyways. 

722
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Yeah, I remember preparing for 
that, but I don't know, 0° I I 

723
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,280
just don't. 
And I don't know if I could be 

724
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,960
in shorts doing that. 
So I, I know 100°, I'm familiar 

725
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,000
with it. 
And I feel like that's probably 

726
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,480
where my wheelhouse is on. 
That makes sense. 

727
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,200
All right, we got to, we got to 
pick up our pace here. 

728
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,440
We want to get we're. 
Getting a little too passionate.

729
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,760
We're passionate. 
About this. 

730
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,600
This is fun, all right. 
This next one is back to shoes. 

731
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,360
And it. 
Is either you get to keep one of

732
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,760
these and then the other one 
goes away forever. 

733
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,280
So it's either keeping super 
trainers or keeping plated 

734
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,960
performance trainers. 
So. 

735
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,760
We have talked. 
About how there is a bleeding 

736
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,760
kind of gradient of this kind of
stuff. 

737
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,520
But I think if we look at like 
Zoom Fly 6, that'd be plated 

738
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,680
performance versus Super trainer
might be the Mega Blast. 

739
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,640
You know, something that's 
really high stack may or may not

740
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,560
have a plate like Mega Blast 
doesn't, but which one are you 

741
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,480
keeping and which one goes away 
forever? 

742
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,000
That's a great question. 
You know, I'm going to take a 

743
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,480
shot. 
I'm going to say plated trainers

744
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,000
go away. 
So you're keeping the Super 

745
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,880
trainer? 
I'm keeping the Super. 

746
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Trainers. 
I know a lot of people do very, 

747
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
very well in them. 
I feel like there is some level 

748
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:14,160
of redundancy to a lot of the 
plated trainers and we kind of 

749
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,800
lost the true essence of some of
the lightweight trainers. 

750
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Like a lot of them aren't as 
like the lightweight shoe 

751
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,600
category kind of suffered when 
the plated trainer category came

752
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,240
in because instead of just 
saying, hey, we're going to keep

753
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,440
this light, they bumped the 
weight up and they're like, Oh 

754
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,560
well, it's plated. 
So there's nothing wrong with 

755
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,080
them. 
I think there's some great ones 

756
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,760
that I've enjoyed, but I'd 
rather have the dichotomy of the

757
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Super trainer and trainer 
compared to having that trainer 

758
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,520
plated trainer because you can 
still make a shoe stiff without 

759
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,480
the plate. 
So Endorphin. 

760
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speed, Puma, deviate, zoom, fly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

761
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:52,920
OK. 
Yeah. 

762
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:00,040
What do you think, David I. 
Actually agree with him, but if 

763
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,440
you asked me two years ago I 
think it would be a different 

764
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,960
answer. 
There have been super trainers 

765
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,560
because I was never really a 
massive fan of like let's say 

766
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,400
the SC trainer or some of them 
were just a little too high and 

767
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,440
a little too soft for me. 
I just I struggled with super 

768
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:23,280
trainers I have for a while, but
like with the Super blast 2, the

769
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,120
mega blast, even some of the 
other ones from some of the 

770
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,200
other companies, the tier 
Maverick, like some of these 

771
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640
shoes are actually they're 
getting down in weight and 

772
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,120
they're creating geometries and 
firmness that I can actually 

773
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,640
agree with and I can live 
without the plate. 

774
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,840
You know what I mean? 
Where like it's getting light 

775
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,480
enough, it's responsive enough. 
I could just opt for that shoe. 

776
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960
And I don't know if I 
necessarily need that plate at 

777
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,760
endorphins speed or zoom fly 
quite as much as I used to. 

778
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,440
We're like that used to be like 
the go to. 

779
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,760
That was what I did a lot of my 
long runs in. 

780
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,960
That was what I did a lot of my 
workouts in, right, like track 

781
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,160
long runs, everything like 
that's what I did. 

782
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,040
But now I'm like, I don't know, 
like if I have to choose between

783
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,600
the two, there's enough good 
super trainers out there that 

784
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,640
like, I mean, the mega blast was
like a go to for long runs. 

785
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,560
And like, I mean, that was my 
shoe of the year period last 

786
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
year, right? 
Like and for me to say that that

787
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,040
goes away Max, you know? 
Well, Cloudman Max is. 

788
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Plated can still be a super. 
It can still be a super trainer.

789
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,360
It can still be a super trainer.
You're. 

790
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,160
Right. 
Technically it is technically a 

791
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,920
super with the drop in stack 
height. 

792
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,400
Does the SC trainer, does that 
count as super trainer or is 

793
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,320
that I think the I think the SC?
Trainer. 

794
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520
The new versions are now would 
be in the plated performance 

795
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,960
trainer category. 
I guess it because they. 

796
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,960
Dropped it. 
It's not. 

797
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,440
Like it's super high and heavy 
and right, It's the first one 

798
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,840
faster shooter. 
Used to be. 

799
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Hey, what's happening with 
version 4? 

800
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,840
Have we? 
I haven't seen anything. 

801
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,040
I I feel like every other day 
I'm like oh I'll check Reddit 

802
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,120
again there may be things. 
Oh, OK, there may be things. 

803
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,760
OK, it's a popular. 
Issue we can only. 

804
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,360
Assume that they'll keep the 
line going. 

805
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Oh. 
Yeah. 

806
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,320
I think I'm. 
I I am with you guys. 

807
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,480
I would also pick super 
trainers. 

808
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,320
It pains me because I think of 
any shoe in the last five years,

809
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,120
I've gotten the most in the 
Endorphin speed. 

810
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,840
So that's the one that like 
would want to hang on. 

811
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,920
The second most is then super 
blast and super blast too. 

812
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,320
And I think where where I go to 
that is just because of how I 

813
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,720
would use them in my. 
If I were to be having a 

814
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,920
rotation, I would get. 
More out of that and I could. 

815
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,000
Just get a super shoe that I 
could use, what I would have 

816
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,160
used the plated trainer for, for
workouts because I just would 

817
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560
choose the one that just fits me
at a little bit more variety of 

818
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,920
paces. 
So that's kind of where I'm at. 

819
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,320
Let's go to the next one here, 
this one. 

820
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Matt, you have a little 
experience with one of these, I 

821
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,840
think, but it's would you rather
this or that doughnut mile or 

822
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,040
beer mile? 
Because you've done the. 

823
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,680
Doughnut Challenge. 
Thing, didn't you? 

824
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560
He did a doughnut mile. 
Yeah, with running warehouse. 

825
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Oh, I did. 
That's. 

826
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Right, I've done both. 
How can you forget that? 

827
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Sorry, it was. 
Traumatic. 

828
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:25,200
I just got repressed like during
during the effort. 

829
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680
The beer mile is easier if you 
know how to burp on the 

830
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,400
backstretch afterwards. 
That's a different. 

831
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,040
Story Although I was too 
conservative and I didn't eat 

832
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,560
that many Donuts, so I was 
mostly fine afterwards as 

833
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,480
opposed to the best of my the 
rest of the individuals at 

834
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,000
running warehouse during that 
thing afterwards of a beer mile.

835
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,880
That's just not fun. 
And I'm like, ah, This is why I 

836
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,120
don't. 
Normally drink, yeah. 

837
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,360
I think I'd go donut mild just 
because. 

838
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:58,480
I like Donuts more than beer. 
You know, so that's my pick. 

839
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,600
Because I've never done anything
like this. 

840
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,480
Yeah, I haven't done either. 
Actually, believe it or not, can

841
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,640
we clarify it so the? 
Doughnut Mile was eat as many 

842
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,400
doughnuts as you can. 
Well, you guys got some kind of 

843
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,200
a. 
Handicap. 

844
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,120
That was their thing. 
OK, so how would you find a 

845
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,080
doughnut? 
One doughnut for a lap. 

846
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,200
Yeah, probably a. 
Long John So. 

847
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,600
Much better I would. 
Doughnut Mile every day, to be 

848
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,680
honest. 
Oh man. 

849
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,040
I would do really. 
Connor ate like. 12 Oh my dude, 

850
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,360
he's a machine. 
Or something. 

851
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,880
Shout out Connor 11A. 
Lap. 

852
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,160
Oh, totally. 
And he's a good runner, too. 

853
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,120
Yeah. 
So like for the listeners, the 

854
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,280
running warehouse challenge that
they did, it was like for how it

855
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,360
was before the actual mile and 
you ate as many Donuts as you 

856
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,320
could within a certain time 
span. 

857
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,880
I don't remember what it was and
the more doughnuts you. 

858
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Ate the more of a time like and 
benefit that you got you got a 

859
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,880
handicap. 
Yeah, you get to start. 

860
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,480
Early and Connor can actually 
run so like he put down so many 

861
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,680
doughnuts and gets a handicap 
and then is just the fastest guy

862
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,480
in the field probably anyways on
that given day. 

863
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,560
So he he obliterated everybody 
You wanna run? 

864
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,840
Yeah, you wanna run sub 5 by the
way with that, that was I saw 

865
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,080
that, Yeah, shout. 
Out. 

866
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Anyway, David, what do you 
think? 

867
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,120
Oh, it's so hard. 
So it's one doughnut per lap. 

868
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,520
Yeah, there's. 
Two things I really. 

869
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,440
Struggle with and it's not 
volume, it's eating quickly and 

870
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,840
drinking quickly. 
It's two things I'm I'm just I'm

871
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,760
just not good at it. 
I can't chug, but I'm probably 

872
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,160
worse at eating quickly. 
It's actually a problem. 

873
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,720
So like when my wife and I go to
a restaurant, Amber's like. 

874
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Dude, we got to go. 
She eats like a normal human. 

875
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,360
Being and they're like taking 
her plate and they go to like 

876
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,760
start taking mine and I'm like, 
no, I'm still working on it. 

877
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,800
Like and then they'll like 
circle back like two or three 

878
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,480
times like this is this is a 
thing. 

879
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,720
Are you done yet? 
Yeah, I'm like, no. 

880
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,720
I'm still eating. 
I promise I'm not. 

881
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,760
I like the food, I promise. 
So I think not. 

882
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,440
I would probably feel better 
after a doughnut mile, but I 

883
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,120
think if it's a light beer, I 
could probably get the beer down

884
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,680
a little bit easier. 
I might feel worse afterwards, 

885
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,200
but if it if we're going 
strictly for time and 

886
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,440
performance, I probably would do
a faster beer mile than I would 

887
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,920
doughnut mile. 
I just don't think I would eat 

888
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,360
the doughnuts very quickly, nor 
would I drink the beer that 

889
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,760
quickly. 
But like if it's like a sub 100 

890
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,440
calorie just like Miller Lite or
something like I don't know. 

891
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,920
There's a skill to both of 
ultra. 

892
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,960
The doughnut is very. 
Compressible. 

893
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,720
It's very easy to like chew, get
it down really quick, especially

894
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,040
if you've only got one at a 
time. 

895
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,120
The beer will will that it's 
there's a skill of hey, you got 

896
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,280
to chug it, You got to open your
throat to get that stuff in. 

897
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,440
And then the second part is you 
guys, I love that you have like 

898
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,720
a full. 
Strategy mapped out. 

899
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,760
Did a couple of these in 
college, yeah, but I've never 

900
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,440
done. 
One. 

901
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,600
I like both, but yeah. 
Nathan, it's a. 

902
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,760
Hard 1 You got to come and go 
Beer. 

903
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,000
Mile, though, I think I am all 
right, Nathan. 

904
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,120
Tiebreaker I. 
Mean, I said doughnut mile. 

905
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,520
For sure. 
OK, got it. 

906
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,600
Yeah. 
Oh yeah, yeah, all the way. 

907
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,200
But. 
If it was like. 

908
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,200
The challenge that you did, I'd 
probably go doughnut. 

909
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,960
But if it's if we're just going 
one to one, like every single 

910
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,920
lap, I got to put one down. 
We're going to be there a while.

911
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,680
If it's going to be me eating 
doughnuts and then I'm still not

912
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,840
going to feel great doing the 
four hundreds. 

913
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,960
So I don't know. 
The lesser of the two evils in 

914
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,520
the moment would be the beer, I 
think for me. 

915
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,600
However, I probably would not be
feeling as good afterwards, but 

916
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,640
my time would be significantly 
better I think, right? 

917
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,280
That makes sense. 
What's next? 

918
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,680
All right, we got. 
Another one here. 

919
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,280
Which is more fun, this or that?
Training for a 5K or training 

920
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,640
for a marathon 05 K. 
Hands down, hands down. 

921
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,680
But that's me now in my time of 
life, and I'm sure other people 

922
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,840
have different stories. 
I. 

923
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,440
I mean I have 100%. 
Agree. 

924
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,320
I think I think most people that
I've talked to when they're 

925
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,560
training for a marathon, like 
the training's not fun. 

926
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,960
I feel like that's a common 
phrase when it comes to marathon

927
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,960
training where I think 5K 
training has opportunities to 

928
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:21,200
not be as time consuming and 
you're not taking, you know, 2 

929
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,480
1/2 hour long runs that just 
wipe you out for a whole day. 

930
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,920
You're going to do a hard 
workout. 

931
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,720
You might feel shredded from 
that but I I feel like the 

932
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,720
recovery is different as someone
who's like only really trained 

933
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,800
for a 5K once in my life but I 
I. 

934
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,200
Just think it's. 
More palatable. 

935
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,760
Yeah, Yeah. 
David, it's a hard one for me 

936
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,920
and I. 
Come from it from a couple of 

937
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,080
different angles. 5K training, I
like to run fast. 

938
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,560
You get to run fast when you're 
running 5K training, whether it 

939
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,960
be 4 hundreds KS, 8 hundreds, 
whatever, one 50s at the end of 

940
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,400
workouts like you get to go 
quick, you get to be on a track.

941
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,880
We're talking track 5K or just 
in general. 

942
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,640
I think just in general, but. 
Like you get. 

943
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,120
To go quick, and that is kind of
fun to go fast. 

944
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:11,320
However, when you get into some 
of those workouts, you're deep 

945
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,000
into it and you're really 
fatigued and you're just really 

946
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,760
having to push that feels awful.
You know, like like 5K fatigue 

947
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,600
when you're truly going all out,
like can be brutal over the last

948
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,520
mile where like marathon fatigue
and some of those workouts, it's

949
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,240
just different, right? 
It's cumulative, but the pace 

950
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,440
isn't that bad. 
So like let's say for like my 

951
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,040
marathon PRI, think like the 
average, the average mile I 

952
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,360
think was like right around five
32533 and like I probably ran 

953
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,840
520 fives maybe for like 18 to 
20 of those. 

954
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,920
And then I kind of slowly 
started falling off and started 

955
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,040
running maybe five 50s. 
I don't think I ever went north 

956
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,800
of 6. 
So, you know, that's faster 

957
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,960
than. 
My 5 KPR right? 

958
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,480
Yeah, but like. 
For like being relative though, 

959
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,840
like for the effort, though, the
pace was never that fast, right?

960
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Like, so it's a different kind 
of pain and hurt. 

961
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,920
And like I feel like when you 
are in shape, like yes, the 

962
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,720
volume is significantly higher 
for marathon training, but the 

963
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,640
intensity isn't quite as high. 
And so like you can have a 

964
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,640
little bit more fun on some of 
those workouts sometimes where 

965
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,240
like when you're on the track, 
there's a job to be done, right?

966
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,200
Like you're going, you hit your 
splits. 

967
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,880
Like seconds matter quite a bit 
when you're on a track per 400. 

968
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,160
So I don't know, it's a hard 
question, but I think because I 

969
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,880
do like to run fast. 
I mean, I ran the 1500 in 

970
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,600
college as well. 
I just didn't quite have the top

971
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,200
speed for a good 800. 
But like for 1500 five Ki think 

972
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,720
it's kind of a little bit more 
in my element from a fun 

973
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:57,680
standpoint, even though it just 
hurts really bad in the towards 

974
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,920
the end of the race. 
Yeah, I think I'm going to go 

975
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,800
5K. 
If it was 10, Ki might have a 

976
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,880
different answer. 10 KS are 
awful, sure, but no one should 

977
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,720
run hard. 10 KS? 
That shouldn't be allowed. 

978
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,520
But here's my favorite thing 
about. 

979
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,320
These, this or that episodes. 
I think whenever any of these 

980
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,920
are posed, it feels like it hits
David directly in the core of 

981
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,400
his being. 
He's like, Oh my gosh, I have to

982
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,880
choose between that. 
This is so hard for me. 

983
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,920
Like this is this is life or 
death for me. 

984
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,240
It's my favorite thing. 
All right, so when those five KS

985
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,840
go. 
Well, they go really well, 

986
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,800
right? 
Like you feel like ecstatic, 

987
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,200
right? 
Like there's a high that comes 

988
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,720
from that. 
Yeah, I will say the one thing. 

989
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,440
I would miss if I was not doing 
it. 

990
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,840
Like the thing I love about 
marathon training is the long 

991
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,120
run. 
The thing I complained about, 

992
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,680
just like going out for an easy 
long run, is maybe my favorite 

993
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,000
kind of run. 
But let's go to the next one. 

994
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,640
This one we're going to do. 
Just an answer, no discussion. 

995
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,480
We're just going to pick it and 
then we'll go to the next 

996
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,240
question. 
So for either a marathon or an 

997
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:06,200
ultra marathon, would you rather
have it be an out and back or a 

998
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:14,000
loop, David? 
To the the loop. 

999
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,240
Like like. 
No, no, no. 

1000
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,640
I just want a clarification. 
Is it one big loop or is it like

1001
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,080
loops? 
Yes, and it could be. 

1002
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Either. 
Like if it like if it's an ultra

1003
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,960
it could be 3 of the same loop 
or two 3 is not bad OK? 

1004
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,840
Yeah, I'm thinking like, not 
like a one mile loop, no. 

1005
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,200
No, no, like, yeah, like back 
and forth back. 

1006
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,520
And forth, back and forth like 
that would be torturous, no? 

1007
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,480
Like an out and. 
Back or a loop just for a 

1008
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,960
marathon. 
It's probably just one. 

1009
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,080
Loop come all the way back, yeah
and yes. 

1010
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,840
And if I would say Max for an 
ultra like we have one up near 

1011
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,880
us, it's 3 loops that are each 
like 10:00-ish miles I'm. 

1012
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,840
Going to say loop if it's only 
three laps. 

1013
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,080
I'm going to go loop. 
Yeah, I'm loop too. 

1014
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,400
Loop but the only thing is. 
Well, we're not going to go into

1015
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,160
it further, so. 
It's so hard for. 

1016
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Him. 
I love it. 

1017
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,920
But all right. 
If it's three loops, loop. 

1018
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:14,080
This. 
Maybe the most savage question 

1019
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,840
I've been waiting for this the 
whole. 

1020
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,760
Time These have not been savage 
yet, so let's go. 

1021
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,720
Let's get this. 
I think that like it was. 

1022
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,880
Unnecessary to have us run in 
shorts and 0° weather, you know.

1023
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,960
But here's here's the next one 
if you had to have one happen to

1024
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,840
you. 
Tear your Achilles. 

1025
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,760
Or tear your ACL. 
That's the options. 

1026
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,400
I'm gonna go ACL. 
I'm gonna go ACL. 

1027
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Pretty easily actually. 
Yeah, for when I. 

1028
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Was thinking about it as a 
running situation, like ACL all 

1029
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,400
day. 
Like if I was trying to get back

1030
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,320
to football. 
It's much more of a oof, I don't

1031
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,360
know which one I want. 
There's yeah, yeah. 

1032
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,920
But that calf, I mean. 
We've talked about calf for 

1033
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,160
propulsion and it's role in the 
running gate and how important 

1034
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,200
the Achilles is for rebound and 
energy and like I just wouldn't 

1035
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,520
want anything messed with that 
ACL running. 

1036
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,680
'S like the first impact. 
Activity you kind of get to go 

1037
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,880
back to besides like double leg 
jumping. 

1038
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,840
So it's I'd go ACL too. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1039
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,960
Definitely ACL. 
One of my biggest fears from an 

1040
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,880
injury standpoint is tearing an 
Achilles, so that just speaks 

1041
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,440
volumes there. 
So there you go. 

1042
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Yeah, that wasn't that bad. 
I mean that was. 

1043
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,840
Kind of savage, but like, that 
wasn't the heart of a decision. 

1044
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,880
She's a savage. 
Question. 

1045
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Got it. 
That's bad. 

1046
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,880
But we need to like. 
Sat. 

1047
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,640
Like, like difficult savage 
questions. 

1048
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,440
Do we have those? 
I don't know, difficult. 

1049
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Every single one. 
Of them I'm going. 

1050
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:41,360
To make one for you. 
No. 

1051
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,840
Let's go through this first and 
then we'll see. 

1052
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,560
Do you have one in your head, 
David? 

1053
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Do you? 
No, but I can. 

1054
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,360
I'm. 
Sure, I could. 

1055
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,080
You could. 
David can come over. 

1056
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,360
Yeah, all right. 
I got, I got the next. 

1057
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,400
One here. 
So this is another one of those 

1058
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,400
this type of shoe or that type 
of shoe. 

1059
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,840
The other type goes away 
forever, so you either get 

1060
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:05,880
stability racing shoes or 
stability like trainers and 

1061
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,080
recovery shoes. 
The other one goes away forever.

1062
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,000
I'm going to let that was just 
for Matt that. 

1063
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,080
Was just for. 
Him what? 

1064
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,400
OK, actually I. 
Have an answer I. 

1065
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,800
I would choose. 
Stability super shoe or just 

1066
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
like hey, they made the shoe of 
your dreams like the. 

1067
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,000
Stability racing shoe that 
you've been asking for, so I 

1068
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,120
would go with. 
Stability racing shoe that would

1069
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,920
go the way that you would. 
Keep no that I would keep. 

1070
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,280
It doesn't exist, but I feel 
like there's enough stuff. 

1071
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Like it's when you have these 
super shoes, it's really hard to

1072
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,680
get them stable and really, 
really high performance. 

1073
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,640
There's a lot of stable neutral 
options out there from a 

1074
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,440
training perspective and they've
done well. 

1075
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,160
And to be honest, it wasn't 
until this year that we actually

1076
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,120
started seeing some more 
stability shoes because they've 

1077
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,920
been just dying off. 
And that's why we talked about 

1078
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,640
stable neutral. 
Those of us that had stability 

1079
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,160
needs, we needed to find it. 
So I'm going to go keep the 

1080
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,040
stability super shoe racer, but 
that's never going to exist. 

1081
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,320
So, you know, it's just me 
dreaming. 

1082
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,640
I go the. 
Other way I I'd. 

1083
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Want to keep as someone who 
doesn't run in these myself, but

1084
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,280
like for the number of of people
that I work with who utilize 

1085
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,480
this stuff, I, I would rather, I
would just rather have the kind 

1086
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
of trainer recovery shoe 
available for people. 

1087
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,960
And you know what, if you got to
run, you know, 5K10 for most 

1088
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,520
runners, 5K10K marathon. 
You can do that in your trainer 

1089
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,560
or like you can. 
Gut it, you can train. 

1090
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,400
Yourself up to be able to handle
the Super shoe or at least like 

1091
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,600
a performance trainer for for 
one race. 

1092
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,120
So that's my OK, fine, I'm going
to. 

1093
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Take my answer back and for the 
good of the people I'm going to 

1094
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,880
kill my dreams and say the 
trainer because for a greater 

1095
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,240
population benefit that is the 
better thing. 

1096
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,280
So I'll change my answer back 
now. 

1097
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,960
What? 
So who's feeling it to their 

1098
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,280
core? 
Now I you know. 

1099
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,800
It's just. 
The world doesn't need me. 

1100
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,080
They. 
Need the other people, so it's 

1101
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,600
fine. 
We'll go with the the the 

1102
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,360
trainer is fine. 
Back to the beginning of the 

1103
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,040
episode. 
Matt Klein, all around good guy.

1104
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,360
Here it is. 
It's coming out killing. 

1105
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,840
His own dreams for the. 
Sake of others, David, what do 

1106
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,760
you pick? 
Oh, mine's pretty easy. 

1107
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,680
I'll say the stability trainers.
I do fine in neutral super shoes

1108
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,760
anyways, so yeah, I mean. 
I'm learning. 

1109
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,960
In like meta speed edge shoes, 
you know from a racing shoes 

1110
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,600
usually so those are pretty darn
neutral. 

1111
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,400
So I don't have an issue. 
Well, we. 

1112
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,040
Are on our last. 
Question our last this or that 

1113
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,240
and it's just cracking me up 
because these were from 

1114
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,680
different people and they're 
just like wanting to put us or 

1115
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,320
like have us talk about these 
like extreme situations, the 

1116
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,040
hot, the cold, the tearing year 
or something. 

1117
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,840
And then now we get to either 
choose to run in a tropical 

1118
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,560
storm or run in a Blizzard. 
That's our last one for the day.

1119
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,360
I know my answer. 
But I won't go first. 

1120
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,240
I mean, how bad of a? 
Tropical storm. 

1121
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,360
We talking like live hurricane. 
Happening like I think I think 

1122
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:09,240
by. 
Definition. 

1123
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,120
Tropical storms aren't 
hurricanes, right? 

1124
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,200
So it's like less than a 
hurricane if it's less than a 

1125
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,720
hurricane. 
I'm going to go tropical storm 

1126
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,800
is is this the like southern? 
California, like they freak out 

1127
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,600
for a week beforehand and amp it
up and then it's not, I mean, 

1128
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,040
it's, it's a little bad, but 
it's not that bad. 

1129
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,160
I'm picturing like. 
Raining. 

1130
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,760
Sideways. 
Really humid, like that kind of 

1131
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,800
warm, like like tropical storm, 
right? 

1132
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,160
Like you're somewhere near the 
equator where it's just hitting 

1133
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,520
you, but it's not a hurricane 
like, like it's a storm, but 

1134
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,200
like, is there lightning in 
those storms? 

1135
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,080
Oh, that's a good question. 
I'm. 

1136
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,080
Not I don't. 
We don't experience, we get. 

1137
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,600
Thunderstorms here, but I feel 
like. 

1138
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,280
Not really And. 
Not in the ones I've seen, but I

1139
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,560
don't know in Southern 
California. 

1140
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,480
Not like that's gonna be 
tropical, not that's hasn't been

1141
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,720
my experience, David. 
If we're wrong, usually when 

1142
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,000
we've gotten lightning and 
Thunder, it's been when things 

1143
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,640
are more dry. 
Yeah, it's usually not as been. 

1144
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,240
As the desert gets them hard 
too. 

1145
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,920
Yeah, some pretty crazy 
lightning I've seen when I used 

1146
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,240
to work out there. 
Yeah, I have crazy stories with 

1147
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,600
that, actually. 
But I'm gonna go tropical. 

1148
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,240
Tropical. 
Storm over Blizzard. 

1149
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,040
Yeah, I'm picturing like 
Monsuni. 

1150
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,400
Like really just like humid 
horror pretty far kind of 

1151
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,200
feeling, yeah. 
Versus like Blizzard. 

1152
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,160
I mean, that's pretty 
self-explanatory, yeah. 

1153
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,920
Nathan, you're the only ones of 
us that actually runs in that 

1154
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,760
actually is in Blizzard. 
So, well, it's funny, I had. 

1155
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,200
I thought I had a clear answer, 
but as we're discussing, I'm 

1156
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,240
kind of changing my mind and I 
think I have some. 

1157
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,520
Here's my cheat. 
I have some caveats. 

1158
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,640
So because it sounds like 
because I don't have a lot of 

1159
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,560
experience in tropical storms, 
but if a tropical storm is 

1160
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,840
happening, it's windy, right? 
Definitely. 

1161
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,080
And then? 
In blizzards, it's going to be 

1162
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,720
windy. 
I like the idea of warm wind, 

1163
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,000
not cold wind, but if if I from 
a wind chill perspective, but 

1164
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,120
here's my caveat. 
If the Blizzard is happening, 

1165
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,720
it's like 20s, I would probably 
go Blizzard because I love 

1166
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,680
running in the snow. 
It's just quite the experience. 

1167
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,160
You get a cool frosty beard. 
Like it's just and you get 

1168
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,640
buried and start having to like,
I don't know, it's fun. 

1169
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,400
But if if it was no lightning, I
would maybe choose the tropical 

1170
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,880
storm Like so I think it would 
matter how cold it is for the 

1171
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,880
Blizzard and how dangerous it is
for the tropical storm, because 

1172
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,080
it would probably be the only 
thing I wouldn't like about the 

1173
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,680
tropical storm is all the 
chafing that would probably 

1174
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,160
happen because you're like 
soaked. 

1175
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,040
And that would maybe not be fun.
I don't know, it might be. 

1176
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,880
Very nice though. 
OK, it's. 

1177
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,640
It's. 
Like clammy like like you're. 

1178
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,200
Walking into a place where it's 
just like really just kind of, I

1179
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,720
don't know how to describe it. 
I guess it's really warm and 

1180
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,160
humid but wet at the same time 
like but you don't feel it in 

1181
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,080
your. 
Bones the way you do with like 

1182
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,600
in a Blizzard or wind chill like
Blizzard, No and. 

1183
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,400
For the record, I am gonna 
choose Tropical Storm over the 

1184
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,440
Blizzard. 
Well, you. 

1185
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,800
Have to 'cause you live in. 
Santa Barbara. 

1186
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,240
So you have to have how many of 
those a year We don't get 

1187
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,400
tropical? 
Storms very often though, like 

1188
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,800
that's pretty rare. 
I mean, we're not like we're 

1189
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,200
highway is. 
Destroyed, like flooded away. 

1190
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,560
We have this, I mean torrent 
canals. 

1191
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,120
Are. 
Swelling and like everything, 

1192
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:34,160
flooded boarding in the streets.
Yeah, which is a true story, but

1193
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,640
it's like at least once or twice
a. 

1194
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,120
Year maybe? 
Like one really bad one every 

1195
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,640
other year. 
Where people are paddle boarding

1196
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,840
in. 
The streets kind of storm, yeah,

1197
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,720
'cause the way our topography 
is, it's like we're on the 

1198
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,360
coast, so we're at sea level. 
But then the mountain that is 

1199
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,720
literally like, I mean, the peak
of the mountain is like we're 

1200
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,880
talking just barely within 1/2 
marathon. 

1201
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,720
So like so like a little over 
4000 feet. 

1202
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,320
And all of that runoff just 
comes slamming down into Santa 

1203
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,440
Barbara and we don't have the 
infrastructure for it. 

1204
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,760
So when we do get really hard 
rains, we just get pummeled 

1205
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,440
downtown. 
It's kind of crazy actually. 

1206
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Like they should build better 
infrastructure. 

1207
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,880
PLA, San Francis or Santa 
Barbara work on that. 

1208
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,560
But those are different though. 
That's not a tropical storm, 

1209
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,240
right? 
Like that's just like cold and 

1210
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,200
rainy, torrential downpour. 
That's not. 

1211
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,480
That'd be like a. 
Dump of but not a Blizzard. 

1212
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,280
Yeah, yeah. 
That's, that's. 

1213
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,960
Different I mean it's raining 
really hard you're getting, you 

1214
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,320
know, I don't know like let's 
say I think the last storm we 

1215
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,840
had we had I think the pass got 
14 inches in like a little less 

1216
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,680
than two days, which was kind of
crazy and then all of that comes

1217
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,920
down right and then we I think 
where we immediately live 

1218
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,560
probably got probably. 
Like 9 or 10? 

1219
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,320
I might be fabricating that 
slightly. 

1220
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,680
I don't remember the exact 
numbers, but it came, it came 

1221
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,480
down pretty hard. 
You know, when we start worrying

1222
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,440
about like the flooding issues, 
but it's not often, but it's 

1223
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,440
like more of a cold kind of 
rain. 

1224
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,080
It's not a tropical rain where 
it's like that warm monsoon E 

1225
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,280
type of stuff. 
Can I do can? 

1226
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,200
I do a last this or that 
question. 

1227
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,760
Sure. 
Just somebody's probably. 

1228
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,840
Going to this is somebody's. 
Probably going to steal this, 

1229
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,960
but this is what's going through
my mind and it's been going 

1230
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,720
through the last couple weeks. 
So for long term health of the 

1231
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,280
Achilles tendon, like we're 
talking like being able to 

1232
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:46,080
continue running into like 
seventy 80s night, like long 

1233
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,160
term health, OK. 
Super shoes. 

1234
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,280
Or advanced footwear technology 
or no advanced footwear 

1235
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,240
technology. 
And I'm, I'm going to say AFT 

1236
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,160
for a reason because that's what
the literature clumps 

1237
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,960
everything, including super 
trainers, super racing shoes, 

1238
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,840
everything. 
So for optimal long term health 

1239
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,840
of your tendon for Achilles 
tendon and maybe all all lower 

1240
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,760
extremity tendons AFT or no AFT 
and you're saying the tendon? 

1241
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:21,400
Health, not your ability to run.
Let's intertwine. 

1242
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,240
Those for optimal maintenance of
tendon health and the ability to

1243
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,800
run long term. 
Can I ask some questions? 

1244
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,600
When you say I'm probably not 
going to have answers. 

1245
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,760
When you say AFT, are you? 
Saying that this person is using

1246
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,040
them for every run or like they 
just wear them during race day. 

1247
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,720
No, let's be. 
Extreme. 

1248
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,160
Let's really make this 
dichotomous. 

1249
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,800
So either all or none. 
Let's start training like. 

1250
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,080
Racing like occasionally it's 
fine, but for training purposes 

1251
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:54,480
AFT all the time or no AFT 
during training are we assuming?

1252
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,160
Everything they do outside of 
their running is the same, like 

1253
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,280
they're doing the same strength,
the same plight. 

1254
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,560
Everything else is the same. 
Yeah, we're saying the. 

1255
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:07,800
Same thing I'll. 
Probably go non afti. 

1256
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,120
Think so too. 
But I don't know if that. 

1257
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,280
If that difference would be 
meaningful if you're doing all 

1258
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,440
the right stuff and when you're 
not running, that's that'd be my

1259
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,640
caveat. 
But I would say if all things 

1260
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,440
were equal, I bet you'd have a 
healthier tendon and you could 

1261
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,400
get non AFT to keep you going 
and work around any other 

1262
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,200
impairments you may have with 
non AFT. 

1263
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,040
I don't have an answer. 
Because I don't know. 

1264
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,440
And the more I'm looking into 
this and the more I study 

1265
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,160
tendons, I don't know because 
just naturally, right with what 

1266
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,200
we, what we've had non AFT, the 
tendons naturally degenerate. 

1267
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,840
That's a normal part of what 
happens to tissue, right? 

1268
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,680
We're not invincible. 
Eventually it's going to, you 

1269
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,360
know, lose its elasticity and 
its ability to like store energy

1270
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,520
and stuff like that. 
And there's we don't know yet, 

1271
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,040
but the theory is that maybe AFT
might decrease some of that 

1272
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:11,080
stress and tendons need stress 
to adapt, but I don't know what 

1273
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,760
happens long term. 
But then so great. 

1274
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Thanks for the. 
Answer but then to. 

1275
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,120
David's point. 
Too like that's that's also, you

1276
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,880
know, if. 
If. 

1277
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,280
Using AFT in the designs within 
it allow them to run more. 

1278
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,560
Are they actually getting more 
overall loading than they would 

1279
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,080
if they ran less if they didn't 
have the shoe that was helping 

1280
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,000
them overcome an impairment? 
I think that there's so many 

1281
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,280
increase their volume because. 
Of it, yeah. 

1282
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,920
So what you'd? 
Have to do is control volume, 

1283
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,680
right? 
Control mileage, keep it the 

1284
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,320
same, keep the intensity the 
same, allow them to do things 

1285
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,080
outside that would like you 
know, you'd have to decide you 

1286
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,680
do a normal tendon maintenance 
or not do a long term study. 

1287
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,480
I bet company. 
I wonder if companies know this.

1288
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,680
Although people aren't very good
at actually measuring tendon 

1289
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,240
health unless you cut into 
somebody. 

1290
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,040
There's some people out there 
that have figured some things 

1291
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,360
out that we're going to might 
try messing with, but that's 

1292
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,000
cool. 
Yeah, anyway. 

1293
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,320
It's a good question I've. 
Got another this or? 

1294
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,320
That. 
OK, this one doesn't. 

1295
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,920
Have to have. 
Any further explanation and Matt

1296
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,800
can answer this if he wants or 
he can opt out. 

1297
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,440
Oh gosh, this. 
Could not be what I think it is,

1298
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,880
Seattle Seahawks or New England.
Patriots this or that. 

1299
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:19,880
That's that's. 
Easy for me. 

1300
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,440
I'm in the Northwest, Seattle 
Seahawks. 

1301
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,280
It's all we got from a 
professional. 

1302
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,040
Like got the Mariners, they had 
a great. 

1303
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,120
Year, last year, but. 
The Seahawks. 

1304
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,320
So I'm going. 
And it's funny, this comes out 

1305
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:37,120
after the Super Bowl. 
I'm going Seahawks as well and 

1306
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,720
my sister-in-law is from that 
area. 

1307
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,720
Seahawks fan. 
They're having their first baby 

1308
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,920
any day and that would be fun if
they could have a baby and then 

1309
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,160
snuggle a baby and watch their 
team win the Super Bowl for her.

1310
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,160
Seahawks plus the Patriots have 
enough. 

1311
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:56,920
They have enough. 
They have a lot. 

1312
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,160
They have a lot. 
Yeah, the Seattle's one one, 

1313
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,720
though, like, yeah, yeah, they 
have. 

1314
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,080
I'm going to go Seattle 
partially because it's on the 

1315
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,080
West too. 
It's the Super Bowls in San 

1316
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,200
Francisco, so they're probably 
going to travel a little bit 

1317
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,440
better, but hard to say. 
I don't know. 

1318
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,320
I mean, they're both good teams.
So Yep. 

1319
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,640
Thank you, Nathan. 
You want to add 1. 

1320
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:16,880
Last one or we're going to. 
No, I'm good. 

1321
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,760
Thank you everybody. 
We love getting to talk about 

1322
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,000
things that you all bring up for
this conversation. 

1323
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,920
So keep an eye out for more 
opportunities to add to the 

1324
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,720
conversation here at the Round 
Table, and we'll talk to you 

1325
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,120
next time.