1 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,520 Hello everybody and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,079 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy discussed the 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,240 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 4 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:21,160 feet. We are now and Part 2 of our 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,720 favorite shoes of 2024. If you didn't listen to it, Part 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,480 1. We covered 4 categories. 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,840 We talked about our favorite daily trainers, favorite 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,840 stability trainers, favorite shoes for the long run, and our 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,760 favorite trail shoes. So that is last week's episode. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,760 So jump back and listen to that if that's the shoes that you're 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,280 curious about today. We are pushing this conversation 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,720 forward with the final categories. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,520 We're going to talk about our favorite shoes for workouts, our 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,800 favorite shoes that have a plate in them but are not like top 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,200 tier racing shoes, so just our favorite plated shoe. 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,040 And then we're going to talk about, of course, our favorite 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,320 shoe for race day. And then at the end, we're going 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,680 to talk about which company that we each thought kind of hit it 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,680 out of the park this year and did a really nice job with their 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,960 line. So before we get started, just a 21 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,720 reminder that if you are looking into finding some DRR apparel, 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,280 you can do a quick Google search of Doctors of Running Merch and 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,880 a link should pop up to our Spreadshirt shop. 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,480 That's hard to say. Spreadshirt shop, Spreadshirt 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,840 shop, say it five times. If you want to find some stuff 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,800 that you want to get, you can go that direction. 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,440 We also want to thank Scratch for the way that they fueled 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,680 this podcast this year. So here we go. 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,840 We are talking about our final categories of favorite shoes for 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,040 the year. Andrea, I'm going to kick it to 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,760 you for our first category, which is workout shoes. 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,960 So what do you kind of look for in a workout shoe briefly? 33 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,760 And then what are your picks for this year? 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,560 So primarily workout shoe, you want to be able to run fast in 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,080 it. Of course, it doesn't have to be 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 particularly comfortable for like 20 miles. 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,000 But for me, most of my runs are done from home. 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,960 So I want my workout shoe to also be comfortable for warm up 39 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:03,280 and cool down because I'm not like driving somewhere where I 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,520 can change shoes for like the main set and then put something 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,080 else on for the cool down. So I want something that's 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,919 light. I want something that's 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,280 responsive. It doesn't necessarily have to 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,840 have a plate or be a super shoe. In deciding what I was going to 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,040 pick for this year, I feel like we tested a ton of racing shoes 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,560 this year and in looking back it was like OK, I was either doing 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:31,040 my workouts in super shoes or I was doing my workouts in two 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,280 other shoes and one of them is a 2023 shoe and one of them is a 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,480 2024 shoe. So my top pick for 2024 is 50 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:44,400 Hyperion 2 this shoe which was also my pick for daily trainer. 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,000 This shoe really I love it. It can do anything just like 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,400 Hyperion Max one. I could use it for easy runs, 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,440 workouts, long runs, whatever. But for workouts, what I like 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,600 about it, it's lower stack. I think it's 3224 if I remember 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,080 correctly. It's pretty lightweight. 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,960 It's got a little bit of flexibility in the forefoot so 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,240 some performance trainers like really only feel good at like 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,040 threshold ish paces but don't feel great at faster paces. 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,680 This year I've been doing shorter races, 5 KS Rd. miles. 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,080 Like my longest race this year was 7 miles which is crazy. 61 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,320 So I've been doing a lot of faster running and this year was 62 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,040 awesome for every pace I mentioned in the earlier 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,120 episode. I really love the update to the 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,640 upper. It just fits better. 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,800 It's more comfortable. And actually one of the main 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,120 differences between the shoe and Hyperion Max 1 is the four foot 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,720 rocker isn't as aggressive. And I actually like that for 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,240 workouts because it just makes it feel like I'm using my 69 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,320 mechanics more and I can run the way I want. 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,320 So definitely top performance trainer there. 71 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,840 I really didn't have a 2nd 2024 shoe that I really liked for 72 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,280 performance trainers. My runner up, which I've done a 73 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,040 ton of miles in, is topo Cyclone 2. 74 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,400 I need. I'm almost ready for my third 75 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,840 pair of those. But yeah, yeah, love that too. 76 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,880 I just did 10 second hill sprints in them this morning and 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,839 they were awesome. So yeah, so butter your guys's 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,600 picks. Yeah, for me, there's some 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,080 similarities in what I look for. So my workouts this year have 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,720 looked different than my workouts for like my previous, 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,200 you know, four or five because I've mostly been in recovery 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,080 mode. So a lot of my stuff was just 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,200 like, hey, let's get a couple of quick things in before A5 mile 84 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,360 race that I did and before a 10K that I raced and with with like 85 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,280 what you said, Andrea, I want something that I can warm up and 86 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:51,240 cool down in in this first pick is actually a shoe that maybe 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,280 could have been considered my daily trainer of the year as 88 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,520 well, because it is the shoe that I have the most miles in 89 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,600 this year. But I wanted to kind of save it 90 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,080 for this category. And that is the endorphin speed 91 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,160 for I've done I've done long runs in this shoe. 92 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,880 I've done a lot of easy runs in this shoe, but I just like that 93 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,600 I because I can run easy in it. I can pick up the speed and do 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,400 the workout. I like that it has a bit of 95 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,120 flexibility in the forefoot, especially as you wear it more, 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,280 that flexibility increases. And I don't mind that. 97 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:20,160 I like that. Although there's a plate, the 98 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,320 plate is more so stabilizing for me, stabilizing the mid foot in 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,960 the heel and not so much something that is creating a 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,960 true like pure just rocker shoe. So I really like the foam. 101 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,040 It's very versatile. That's the one that I get most 102 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,160 of my workouts in. Then the second shoe is also a 103 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,720 non plated 1 and and maybe wouldn't make a lot of people's 104 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,000 pick on this one, but I appreciate something that's just 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,280 kind of like I can feel the ground just like you said, I can 106 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,720 feel like I'm using my mechanics when I'm doing workouts. 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,480 And that was the Mach 6 from Hoka. 108 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,040 They changed the foam in this shoe. 109 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,960 I like that it was a little bit firmer and had that on the more 110 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,840 responsive end of a foam feel. And I could really, you know, 111 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,760 pivot off of that first Ray and really liked the fit of the shoe 112 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,160 as well. More snug. 113 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,480 I thought it was going to be too tight at first, but it kind of 114 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,520 opened up just enough. So those are my picks. 115 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,840 Matt, what do you got so. That's surprising. 116 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:16,960 I wasn't. I was. 117 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,840 That was really cool to see. So we actually share the same 118 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:24,360 top workout shoe and so the Sockate Endorphin Speed 4 was 119 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,320 also my favorite. This is actually my second pair 120 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,720 because I ran almost 200 miles in the first one. 121 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,160 I liked it so much I grabbed my own. 122 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,520 So I really liked the fact and I actually liked this a lot more 123 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,920 than the sockney Endorphin Pro 4. 124 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,640 I actually like if I had to go race, I might even consider this 125 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,120 one over that because it is way more comfortable. 126 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 And there was a whole episode Andrew and I did on that where I 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,600 was like really confused by that shoe. 128 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,080 But the speed, this shoe was very special because as I was 129 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,320 actually starting to pick the pace up with Isabella, this was 130 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,440 on my feet. I did a ton of long runs with 131 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,480 like a four mile tempo. I've done everything imaginable 132 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,440 in terms of easy run, long run, tempo run, tempo run in a long 133 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 run, fart like in a long run, up tempo, long run, easy. 134 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,040 Like, you know, almost everything except trail because 135 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 traction's not so hot on Saucony for whatever reason. 136 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Although this is a little bit better than a lot of other 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,880 models, even in the wet Northwest, but it's just got 138 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,800 super foam in it. But it doesn't feel so crazy 139 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,520 that it feels wobbly when you're running in it. 140 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,040 The I completely agree with the nylon plate where it does a 141 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,680 great job of stabilize the foam and as you break this in, it's 142 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,040 just it just the flexibility. I feel like it increases at a 143 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,680 level that works with you, which is really nice. 144 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,320 It's not too much. It's not too stiff like the pro 145 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,960 and yeah, it's just was it's something I know I can rely on. 146 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,320 I know if something's coming at me workout wise and I'm like, 147 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,520 I'm scared. I'm putting this on like I can 148 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,600 trust it and I trust it more than I did. 149 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,520 I think. Andrew, you said like we did a 150 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,840 lot of they had a ton of super shoes this year. 151 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,520 I felt the same that most of the workouts have been done to super 152 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,960 shoes almost out of necessity of trying to get miles on them. 153 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,520 But this is the thing that I keep going back to like if I 154 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,360 need anything that's coming my way, I don't know what's going 155 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,120 to happen. This is definitely going to be 156 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,080 the shoe that I choose. And I really like the fact that 157 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,600 I feel like version 3 was pretty mushy. 158 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,240 I didn't feel like it was that fast and it kind of moved away. 159 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,160 It got a little more stable than prior versions. 160 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,120 I just, it didn't go where I'd wanted it to be. 161 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,640 And this, I feel like, gets back to what the Speed Series is 162 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,920 really supposed to be of that versatile shoe that can handle a 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,880 lot of different things and could still be a racing shoe for 164 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,240 a lot, a lot of people, even more than maybe some of those 165 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,120 super trainers could be so. Great. 166 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,960 David, can you finish yours up? Let's see, what are your What 167 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,520 are your picks? Totally. 168 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,159 So there's going to be a lot of overlap with what we're talking 169 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:44,560 about because mine is the socket endorphins speed force yeah. 170 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,720 I mean it's versatile. It's not so high up that I don't 171 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,040 know you can feel the ground right like it's it's what 3635 172 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,240 in the stack yeah and so it's moderate by today's standards, 173 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,520 but it's got a PIPA based, it's got the nylon plate. 174 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,600 It's very responsive, but it has kind of a natural feel to it 175 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,960 too. Grips really well on the track. 176 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,040 You can corner well like this thing is versatile AF, like you 177 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,000 can do almost anything you want in that shoe. 178 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,240 So but that kind of wins it by a pretty good margin. 179 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,040 I think especially from cost value, you know how well it 180 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,480 performs. This next one's going to be a 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,440 big shock, I think for a lot of people. 182 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,040 I don't you guys might know what's about to be coming up. 183 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,040 But my honorable mention is a shoe where it's kind of become a 184 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,840 training companion. I'm growing quite fond of it, 185 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,840 but this is not a super shoe by any stretcher means. 186 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,400 That's the Nike rival. Fly. 187 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 There it is. You've been so high on this 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,920 lately. It's so nice. 189 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,520 I told you I was not, this was like a late request where I was 190 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,240 like, wait a second, can I, can we try that? 191 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,120 You know, and here's there's a couple of different people when 192 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,480 I think of this shoe, OK, this is not, again, not a super shoe. 193 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,000 This is $100 retail. OK, So this is we're not talking 194 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,680 about a 200 plus dollar shoe. It's got just regular Eva air 195 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,560 zoom. It's got a little plastic plate 196 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:12,440 in there, very neutral mechanics, you know, hardly any 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,200 soul flaring going on. But the upper does lock down. 198 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,720 Well, it is part of their quote UN quote Nike racing line. 199 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,240 So it's a little bit more streamlined, locks you in real 200 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,240 good tongue, has a decent amount of padding and it's got just, 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,680 you know, decent amount of flexibility. 202 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,280 This is like that no nonsense, like flat. 203 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,480 And not that long ago this would have been a marathon flat. 204 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,120 OK, this gives me a lot of resemblance of like what the 205 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Nike streak used to be. And those flats were so nice to 206 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,440 do track workouts in. And at the time that was kind of 207 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,760 like your Rd. long run. Like it's kind of crazy to think 208 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,120 about now, but like that was like your marathon type shoe and 209 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,960 so it goes back to some of those roots tractions really good. 210 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,880 It corners really well. Like this shoe is a monster as a 211 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,240 workout companion. With that said, if you go and 212 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,480 hit long Rd. intervals in this, it is not a super shoe. 213 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,080 I repeat like things will feel much more difficult, but it is 214 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,840 very natural on foot and it locks down really well. 215 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,120 It agrees with my mechanics. It's a shoe that I have 0 216 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,880 hesitation running workouts in now. 217 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,080 And I think it's it's kind of a shoe I've been looking for for a 218 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,080 while that I haven't really been able to find replication for. 219 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,880 And so for those that, let's say you're on a budget, you're 220 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,240 looking for a high school cross country flat or something, this 221 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,440 could work. It kind of again, reminds me of 222 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,560 what the streak was. And this is now what the rival 223 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:35,000 is. The rival used to be like the 224 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,400 tiny little so, but it falls in line with that. 225 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,600 It's a nice track workout shoe for those that do you want that 226 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,520 kind of old traditional flat feel like what the streak used 227 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,760 to be and you don't like these new super shoes and things. 228 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,680 This is an option and it's cheap. 229 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,400 You know, I, I mean, I have to get more workouts on it. 230 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,600 This was a recent acquisition. I've maybe have 30 or 40 miles 231 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,640 and I'm starting to wear through it a little bit. 232 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,640 I don't know how well it's going to last long term. 233 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,800 I'll get back to you all on that. 234 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,840 But this shoes awesome and #3 on that list is also a Hyperion 235 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,840 nice. Very good. 236 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,840 Yeah. So again, all the same things I 237 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,840 just said. It's just a little bit more of a 238 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,360 better foam, you know, good traction. 239 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,040 It's it's a workout shoe, relatively natural mechanics. 240 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,360 So, but I think for the price, it's really hard to look the 241 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,720 other way for $100 shoe that performs that well. 242 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,880 All right. So our next category is looking 243 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:37,680 at shoes that are not super shoes and they may or may not be 244 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,040 a workout shoe. This is a shoe that can 245 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,800 definitely span a lot of categories. 246 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,240 So there might be some overlap, but the the category we're 247 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,720 looking at is your favorite plated non super shoe. 248 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,800 So this might fall into that super trainer category. 249 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,920 It may not, but what what do we all think? 250 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,040 So Matt, I'm going to have you start. 251 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,080 What are your picks for this category? 252 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 That was favorite plated. Yeah, maybe that could have been 253 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:10,280 a much clearer way to say it. Good kind of your do it all. 254 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,080 Versatile like what? Can happen, but maybe not. 255 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,000 I just the point is it's like a plated option. 256 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,560 That's not a super shoe, that's that's your bounds on the 257 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,000 category. OK. 258 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Yeah. I just want to clarify because I 259 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:29,120 chose this earlier, but for a plated shoe, again, there's a 260 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,960 lot of plates coming into the market on all levels, from super 261 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,200 trainers to daily trainers. We're seeing a variety of things 262 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,240 and a variety of reasons for having plates in there. 263 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,640 And I want to remind those listening that it doesn't 264 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,920 necessarily make you faster. It's really there to facilitate 265 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,440 motion and sometimes it's there to stabilize foams. 266 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,760 A plate can have a variety of uses. 267 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,400 Unfortunately it doesn't typically act the way we think 268 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,800 or it's marketed to us as this kind of spring. 269 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,480 That's not how it works. When you load a plate, the foam 270 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,400 acts much more like a spring when you compress and then it 271 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,240 rebounds back. That's the actual closest thing 272 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,720 to a spring in issue. The plates a better stabilizer 273 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,160 and facilitator. That being said, my favorite 274 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,040 plated shoe of 2024 is going to be the Endorphins Speed 4, 275 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,080 partially because I know I've said this a lot. 276 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,560 It can do a lot of things. I've done this, use this for 277 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,400 easy runs. I've used this for every type of 278 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,360 workout imaginable. It's the shoe that I'm going to 279 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280 grab if I really need something I can trust. 280 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,560 I like that it's not the stiffest plate. 281 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,760 And for those that listen to a lot of episodes, know that 282 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,280 Andrew and I had some disagreements about the 283 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,800 Endorphin Pro 4 where I just found it to be too stiff and a 284 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,720 little bit uncomfortable. Whereas this flowed really 285 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,120 nicely and I think if I had to pick one shoe that I was going 286 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,440 to train and race in, it would be this. 287 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,560 And it's also a great shoe that I think for a lot of people that 288 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,920 maybe the plate or the foam is too aggressive for you, the 289 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,280 geometry is too aggressive for you, and you still want 290 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,480 something that's fast. You still want something that 291 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,920 makes you feel quick. This is a really great shoe. 292 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,600 It's also been fairly durable for me. 293 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,920 That's really awesome. So this is going to be my 294 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,280 favorite plated shoe of the year. 295 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Do you have a backup or is that kind of your one? 296 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Because that's fine if you don't have a backup or an honorable 297 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,440 mention. I kind of do, but it's been a 298 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,320 shoe that like, I love. But there's just one thing that 299 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,080 really disappointed. Now that you started talking 300 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,600 about it, you got to say what it is. 301 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,360 All right, I got it. OK. 302 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:29,160 So it's the mock X2 from Kosher. I know a lot of people disliked 303 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,400 the heel, which really didn't bother me because I'm in the 304 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,240 Northwest now and Nathan don't make fun of me. 305 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,320 From what I'm about to say, it's a lot colder here, so I don't 306 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,200 wear shorts. I wear long socks now and that 307 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,080 this has not bothered me at all. The only thing that's been 308 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,840 troubling, which we talked about earlier, has been the elsewhere, 309 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,400 but literally everything else I really did like. 310 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,680 The plate took a second to break in where it was. 311 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,840 It's probably one of the stiffest shoes I've actually run 312 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,920 in enough that my calves were like, what is this the first 313 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,640 time I wore it? And like they were on the verge 314 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,680 of spasming. It then broke in. 315 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,040 There's not a lot of flexibility here, but as it breaks in, it's 316 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,600 more than I would expect and it's just got a really great 317 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,480 ride that kind of did the same thing as the speed. 318 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,040 The only the thing that really wins in the Speed is that I feel 319 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,360 like, and I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way, the 320 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speed's a little bit more refined in terms of the upper or 321 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,840 the outsole and stuff like that. I think Hoka's on the direction. 322 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,680 I'm really excited for version 3 of this shoe, but there's just a 323 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,760 little bit more work that I think needs to be done in a in 324 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,720 one or two places. Nice, Well I've got 2 picks. 325 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:36,000 My first is the Puma DV8 Nitro 3 and I love the, it's kind of a, 326 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,240 what's that called dual density midsole. 327 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,800 So it's got that softer foam on the top that has a little bit of 328 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,440 responsiveness. But I, I don't love this shoe 329 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,800 for like workouts or fast stuff. I like it for easier pacing for 330 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,280 longer runs. I used it for a really nice run 331 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,760 around the lake up north where my wife's family lives. 332 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,520 And so we, we were up there. I really loved it for that run 333 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,320 and kind of that category of of effort that I'm going to put 334 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,319 down again. I like the softer nature of this 335 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,520 that is paired with a rocker that doesn't allow you to just 336 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,640 sink into the mush. It kind of rolls you through the 337 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,520 softer foam. So I really like the overall 338 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,200 overall feel of this shoe in both this shoe and my honorable 339 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,319 mention. I half sized up, which was I 340 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,160 think an overall good choice. But the reason that I picked 341 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,400 this shoe over the other one is because of fit in the lockdown 342 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,800 was just really nice comfortable stretchy upper. 343 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,480 So it's that that's my top pick for plated shoe. 344 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,360 The other one is the, as David kind of referenced about this 345 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,960 category, the SC Trainer V3. Again, I went up a half size in 346 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,880 this and I think I need that from a width and and length 347 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,040 perspective. But the midfoot was a little bit 348 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:54,200 a little bit of an issue for me. So it was just a little bit kind 349 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,320 of sloshy, but otherwise, I think that the foam compound was 350 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,920 really nice for the type of run. Again, similarly, I'm not going 351 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,720 ham in this shoe. I like it for kind of those 352 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,120 longer steady efforts. So a little bit up tempo, but 353 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,480 not too much. What were you going to say, 354 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,840 David? Oh I was just going to say if 355 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,360 the length and the width are both half size up, could it just 356 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:16,080 be that you should be 1/2 size up? 357 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,160 I think in this shoe, yes, like or like, but not, but it's only 358 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,560 in these it's only been for certain New Balance things and 359 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,880 Puma, like all of my other shoes that I brought out today fit 360 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,640 great for me, but I I I have wondered like am I more 9/9 and 361 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,160 1/2 where in the past I was eight and a half 9 for sure. 362 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,400 So I'm wondering if I am changing, but like I've talked 363 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,400 about some of the fit issues I've had with some of the New 364 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,640 Balance shoes and Puma and these were just two that I had to go 365 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,320 that route, but it's very possible. 366 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,560 I will echo what Nathan said, although I think yeah, I'm 367 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,360 definitely now in a category. I'm 1010 1/2 and that's just my 368 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,240 feet changing. But IA 100% agree on the SC 369 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,680 trainer that it definitely fit a little bit short and if you want 370 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,600 a closer fit that's something you like, awesome. 371 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,400 But I think a lot of people might need to consider 1/2 size 372 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,720 up for that reason. Nice. 373 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,960 Who hasn't gone yet? Andrew, have you gone? 374 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:17,440 I have not. So this is another repeat 375 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,800 choice. The Mizuno Waver Rebellion Flash 376 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,400 2, of course. I mentioned in the first episode 377 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,400 I've got 300 miles on the shoe now. 378 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,520 It's still in great shape, just a little where where I land 379 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,920 here. Foam feels pretty good. 380 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,960 So yeah, I mean, this was like the most obvious choice for me 381 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,720 for 2024. Works really well for midfoot 382 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,880 strikers. If the Pro didn't work well for 383 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,360 you because the heel bevel was too aggressive, this might work 384 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,000 really nicely. So yeah, I can't recommend the 385 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,640 shoe more if you have mechanics like me. 386 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,200 And my honorable mention is the Neo Vista. 387 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:03,680 I haven't gotten as many miles on it since like we originally 388 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,960 tested it just because we've had so many shoes to test. 389 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,360 But I really love the ride of the shoe and I think Matt had 390 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,760 mentioned he was a little unsure about the fit of the upper. 391 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,640 I kind of felt that same way at first too. 392 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,280 But it was so secure. Like even when running on like 393 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,880 really crowned roads, doing a lot of downhill running, I 394 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,040 didn't have any like foot security issues in the shoe. 395 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,000 And I really like the huge cut out it has in the midsole 396 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,640 because it really just helps the shear feel like it adapts to the 397 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,520 road if you're running on not like a perfectly flat surface. 398 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,040 Actually felt better on crowned roads than a lot of shoes do. 399 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,320 So yeah, two Mizuno shoes for my plated trainer pick. 400 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,360 Who would have thought that would be the greatest a couple 401 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,080 years ago? David, what about you? 402 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,920 Yeah, I was going to say you could argue Mizuno has always 403 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,560 been the plated trainer. That's actually so. 404 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,280 True 20 years. Yeah. 405 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,280 But I'll be quick on mine because I've already talked a 406 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,280 lot about this one. But endorphins feed for all the 407 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,080 same things we've said. Balanced, versatile. 408 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 I can go easy, I can go fast. Traction is good enough. 409 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,360 I can still hit a little bit of dirt if I need to. 410 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,240 Honorable mentions, I'll be quick about as well. 411 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,840 One of them, Nate said. SC trainer I like the SE 412 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:24,920 trainer. It's good. 413 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,440 Nice long run shoe as well, little bit heavier. 414 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,840 I think I kind of like the other ones over it for me and it's a 415 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,040 little bit stiffer as well. But for those that like that 416 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720 stiffer rocker and a softer foam under foot, it's a solid option. 417 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,880 I didn't have a length issue. I thought it fit fine for me, 418 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,120 but I don't know. I, I guess I, that's always been 419 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:48,440 the case for me Here we have my brain next and all the same 420 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,840 things, everything Andrea said earlier, it all applies, you 421 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,960 know, kind of firmer base, good side walls, good geometry, good 422 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,360 traction, stable neutral rolls really well. 423 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,320 It's a, it's a good shoe. It just didn't quite make the 424 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240 top for my list, but it's one that I do think is worth 425 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,800 mentioning. Perfect. 426 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,760 It's funny, you know, when we were talking about this is I'm 427 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,120 speaking to like all of the people listening right now, not 428 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,760 to you 3, but when the when when we were going through what 429 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,360 categories should we do? There are so many categories 430 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,840 that blend together now where we wanted to give a space for like 431 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,400 these other shoes that aren't racing shoes, but maybe could be 432 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,480 in the Super trainer. But what even is that? 433 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,640 And, you know, there's so many different places where these 434 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,600 things kind of collide with each other. 435 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,160 And it was just funny to see, like, how did this one pan out? 436 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,800 It's like, did we really need that category or not? 437 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,800 But anyway, we got to talk about it. 438 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,400 There's a few in these that we've talked about for 439 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,360 categories in this episode and the previous. 440 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:49,600 So feel free again to jump back and get more details on some of 441 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,800 these shoes. All right? 442 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,120 But the final category obviously we need to talk about and it's 443 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,160 the Super shoe category. It's the shoe that you're 444 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,200 picking for race day. I suppose it doesn't need to be 445 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,000 a super shoe, but I would be, I would venture a guess that you 446 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,520 all picked super shoes for these and you can specify what 447 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,040 distance you chose this shoe for. 448 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,760 But we're just going overall favorite for ourselves for 2024. 449 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,360 I'm going to kick us off because I'm the least interesting this 450 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,000 year when it comes to it 'cause I've only gotten to do a couple 451 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,120 races this year that I didn't get like full cycles of training 452 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,160 in. But my favorite racing shoe of 453 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,720 the year is the ASICS Meta Speed Edge Paris. 454 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,160 I think that it just doesn't waste any of its design. 455 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,480 It's streamlined, rolls forward nicely. 456 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,120 The rocker works really well for me, super lightweight. 457 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,200 I'm going to let it sit there and that's what I'll say about 458 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,560 it for now. We had a good a good five mile 459 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,920 race in this shoe. And then the other one that I'm 460 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,560 actually surprised that I liked it as much as I did is the Cloud 461 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,920 Boom echo and or strike. Sorry, the cloud boom strike. 462 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720 My bad. I've raced a 10K in this shoe 463 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,480 and there genuinely is something special about the foam here. 464 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,640 It's not super soft, but it's super bouncy like it's got a lot 465 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,520 of responsiveness when you hit. The only issue for me is the mid 466 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,160 foot is really narrow and it's not full contact. 467 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,160 You have this kind of gap here at the mid foot. 468 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,440 So if I wasn't at 10K or faster, it was way too wobbly. 469 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,240 So, and I was pretty sore afterwards. 470 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,160 So I, I love the shoe and there's a lot to love about it. 471 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,680 It just was a little bit too unstable for me to take 472 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,880 definitely longer distances and would be reserved for shorter 473 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,120 stuff. Matt, do you want to go next? 474 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,880 Sure. So there is somewhat of a tie 475 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,000 between these two, although I will give the edge to one of 476 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520 them. Please tell me the edge. 477 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Yeah, one of them. Is giving the edge the edge. 478 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080 The other one's going to be a little surprise and I really 479 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,400 want to give a shout out to this company that I'm very curious as 480 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,840 to what they're doing with the racing line. 481 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,440 We've tested a few of their trainers, but they kind of to us 482 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,720 at least have been a little quiet. 483 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,520 So we're really I'm really excited to see this. 484 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,040 So my 2:00 because I can't pick and I'll explain why actually I 485 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:13,040 can is the the sorry, the ASICS meta speed edge Paris and the 486 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,040 biggest reason for that it's I have well over 100 miles on my 487 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,400 pair. Durability is phenomenal. 488 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,400 I think it's like 130. The few races I've run in two of 489 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,000 them have been in this shoe. I ran a 16575 K with Isabella 490 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,360 and stroller in this shoe. It just can do everything for me 491 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,800 to the half marathon. I don't think it's quite stable 492 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,880 enough for me to go past that, but just the it's one of the 493 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,960 lighter kind of more widely available super shoes on the 494 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,880 market. It's a massive weight decrease 495 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720 from the previous. The foam is phenomenally better 496 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,880 than previous. Really nice geometry that works 497 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,760 really well. I've done so many different 498 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,360 types of I've done all the types of workouts in this shoe and 499 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,360 it's worked extremely well and the uppers really comfortable. 500 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,400 I just enjoyed the heck out of this shoe and I kind of want to 501 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,400 know the pair. I am going to give a shout out 502 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,480 to the 361 arrow nude, which this shoe is the lightest at 503 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,440 least decently available shoe on the market. 504 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,280 It's not super available now because everybody bought it and 505 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,000 there's no more sizes left on 361's website, but my size 10 506 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,360 comes in at 4.2 oz. I just raced in this this 507 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,880 morning and it's insane. Like there's still a 36mm of 508 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,560 heel. I think it's 27 in the four foot 509 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920 but feels higher than that. There's still a carbon plate. 510 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,440 It's full length super foam. I just want to race this morning 511 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,400 with Isabella running a stroller and it just you forget about it, 512 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,160 you crush it. Although durability is a little 513 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,800 challenging because I did feel the outsole piece come off 514 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,720 during the race. And I do have about 25 miles of 515 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,960 this, which should be expected with a shoe this light. 516 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,200 But I'm giving this to a slight run it up just because that 517 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,680 durability. But this shoe is absolutely 518 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,280 insane and there is more stuff coming from major companies like 519 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,120 this. It might be one or two years 520 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,120 out, but I'm really excited to see stuff get really light. 521 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,520 But honorable mention and then the medicine, the meta speed 522 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,000 edge Perez is my racing studio of the year. 523 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,920 I will also shout out the on cloud boom strike and the 524 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,520 alphafly 3 We're also really really good shoes. 525 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Similar to Nathan, the cloud boom strike wasn't quite stable 526 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,560 off for me to consider using for any longer stuff and the alpha 527 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,120 fly. There were some durability 528 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,760 issues as I ripped through the out so pretty quick, but both 529 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,400 those are absolutely phenomenal options and we got some killer 530 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040 super shoes, super racing shoes this year. 531 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,280 But those are my picks, and those are my major ones. 532 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,600 Nice. David, what do you got? 533 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,080 Yeah, mine probably doesn't come as much of a surprise and it's a 534 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,520 lot of echoing I feel like today, but. 535 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,520 On Cloud Boot. Basics meta speech. 536 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,800 No, I don't speak in puns like you. 537 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,480 No, that's a lie. I definitely do. 538 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,880 But we have the ASICS meta speed edge Paris here. 539 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,200 It's light, it's versatile, it's responsive, it grips well, upper 540 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,880 locks down well. I've literally run a 15 flat 5K 541 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,640 and A70 half in this in the same year. 542 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,800 Like this is a shoe and like the 15 flat like it can go faster. 543 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,200 That was more me being the problem and not the shoe being 544 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,040 the problem. Can you say why you pick? 545 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,120 Can you just say why you pick that one over the sky just. 546 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Oh yeah, well, the I think I actually like the slightly 547 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,840 higher drop and it doesn't feel, I know the apex is a little bit 548 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560 earlier in the edge, right, which it doesn't feel that way 549 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,280 to the. Apex is earlier, I think the 550 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,760 drop's the same now though. But. 551 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,440 It is the same it doesn't feel the same. 552 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,680 So if you told me the edge was 8mm drop and the sky was 5 I'd 553 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,240 or like even 4 three I believe you. 554 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,600 But supposedly they have the same drop so but. 555 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280 It's that apex. Yeah, David, I would agree that 556 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080 it it feels like it to your credit. 557 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,800 Yeah. And like with this, the sky, 558 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Paris, it just feels like I'm climbing out of that forefoot a 559 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520 little bit with how I'm like landing into it. 560 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Yeah, it just doesn't feel like it's economic for me. 561 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,360 Like I can acknowledge it's a good shoe. 562 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,280 It's light, it's stable. Like it's all the things that 563 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,360 you would like for a super shoe, but it's just, I feel like I'm 564 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,760 climbing out of it where I feel like I'm not climbing out of the 565 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,320 edge pairs. I feel like I get what I'm 566 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,240 responding to when I push into it and it's light enough to pick 567 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,400 up the pace. I mean, it's what, 6.46 point 5 568 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,080 men, size 9, something like that, just a little bit lighter 569 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,320 than the Vapor Fly. So it's immediately comparable 570 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400 in that regards from a spec standpoint. 571 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,280 It grips well. And yeah, I mean, this is kind 572 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:34,520 of been my super shoe kind of, you know, by a decent margin for 573 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,960 this year. And it was kind of one of the 574 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,080 shoes that wowed me early on. And I was like, OK, let's see if 575 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,760 all these other shoes can stack up to it. 576 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,600 And other shoes had some elements, but there was always 577 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,920 something that kind of fell a little bit short where I feel 578 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,200 like that one, everything Nate said it like really well, it 579 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,240 just there's no wasted space on that shoe. 580 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,440 It's like everything is kind of tied into it and it works really 581 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,520 well. My second one, honorable 582 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,520 mention, probably not a surprise as well for those who have been 583 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800 listening, and part of it is also because of the value 584 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,560 standpoint, but it's going to be the answer. 585 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:11,200 C2O2GT5. Why is that so funny? 586 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,040 When I say it, I'm just kidding, but it's great. 587 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,240 It's a people based Mitzel carbon plate. 588 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,920 It has good traction. It's holding up. 589 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,040 I have miles on this because I've done a lot of workouts in 590 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,400 this too. So I'm not actually sure how 591 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,640 much miles I have on it, but it's more than the edge Paris at 592 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520 this point and it's done really well. 593 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560 I have done a 5K in this also, I think 1520. 594 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,480 I don't I don't remember, but just to get a race in it because 595 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,400 I keep saying I like the shoe, but I keep picking the edge over 596 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,840 it, you know, so I just want to go around a race in it. 597 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,160 But it's really good and full retail. 598 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,400 It's like 180, which I think is really, really good for the 599 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,800 Super shoe market. And I do think it's as good as a 600 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,480 lot of the other ones on the market. 601 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,960 So it's just it's solid, a much more balanced rocker, not quite 602 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,560 as dramatic, but I guess as the GT name implies, you know, it's 603 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,440 meant to be nice, smooth and cruising. 604 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,160 But yeah, the GT is great, especially for the price. 605 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960 If it's still on sale, I am to site. 606 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,160 It was on sale for like 130 I think, or 120 something, which 607 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,240 is a steal for that shoe. That is a really, really good 608 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,680 price for that shoe. So anyways, that's the honorable 609 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,800 mention. The other one is going to be the 610 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560 audios Pro 4 and not in my hand the Alphafly 3. 611 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680 Both really good. Audios Pro 4 gives me some 612 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400 resemblance of the Endorphin Elite one. 613 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,480 Kind of softer foam, sharper toe spring. 614 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,080 You roll through very well. A little bit more traction on 615 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,600 the Audios Pro 4I do think this grips really well, especially 616 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,960 for a super shoe upper security is good. 617 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,760 It fits a little bit small. This is a size 10 and it fits me 618 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,920 like a 9.5 S With that in mind, I'd probably go up a half size, 619 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,400 but it's still pretty light. Size 10. 620 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,000 I think I just measured it earlier, it was like 7.5 oz. 621 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,560 So it's comparable. It's responsive, it's light, 622 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,000 it's grippy. I will say it's not maybe quite 623 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,640 as stable as let's say the Alpha fly being a little bit more of a 624 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,480 wider base on that and contraction, yadda yadda. 625 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,800 C Max is a little bit firmer than the Light Strike Pro as 626 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,440 well, but both really solid options for the marathon. 627 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,800 I just think for me, the edge Paris, I've taken it 5K to half 628 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,040 and I think I could go a marathon in it. 629 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,960 So edge Paris is going to win on that 250 price point or 250 and 630 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,480 above, whatever, you know, for the Super shoes. 631 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,480 And then for the value anti C2O2GT5, you know is it's 632 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080 pretty, pretty darn good. It might have even taken the win 633 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,160 if I wasn't so wowed by the edge Paris. 634 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,160 All right, Andrea, what do you got? 635 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,080 All right, so my top shoe, I wish I had gotten it earlier in 636 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,800 the year because then I would have actually gotten to racing 637 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560 it, but it's the on cloud boom strike. 638 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,880 I got it like I think in October and I had like 15K left of the 639 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,840 air and I thought about racing in it and I was like, but I 640 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,200 really wanted to do well in this race. 641 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,280 I want to stick with the shoe. I know, but like this shoe is 642 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,160 amazing. It is the closest that any shoe 643 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,320 has come to the four foot feel of alpha by 1. 644 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880 And that has a lot to do with that insole that has like the 645 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,640 really thick slab of their super foam, which name I'm forgetting, 646 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,880 and Nathan is pulling it out so you can see. 647 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,200 Yeah, Helion HF. I really like the upper. 648 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,400 It's kind of hard to get your foot in the shoe at first just 649 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200 because the upper is kind of stiff. 650 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240 But once your foot's in there, it's just like really secure. 651 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,160 It's easy to lock the shoe down. The bounce is enormous, but like 652 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,800 I think Nathan said, it's not that soft, which I like. 653 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,400 So next year definitely going to be doing some races in the shoe. 654 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,920 I could see it for me being like 5K to half marathon. 655 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,960 I don't know if it would be a marathon shoe for me. 656 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,720 I never really felt like Alpha Fly one would have been either, 657 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,680 but I've been doing many races this year in the cloud boom E3 658 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,040 and I kind of feel like that's On's version of the vapor fly 659 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,880 and I definitely feel like this is On's version of alpha fly 1. 660 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,639 I actually didn't like alpha fly three that much. 661 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,239 I felt it was kind of like like the bounce just wasn't there 662 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,639 that version one had. So this is definitely a better 663 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,920 like alpha fly 1 replacement for me. 664 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,080 So can't wait to actually try it in a race next year. 665 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000 And then my honorable mention, which will of course disagree 666 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:32,120 with, is Endorphin Pro 4. I did 15K in it and it was just 667 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,280 awesome. It's so firm, it rolls so fast. 668 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,679 I love the fit of it. I usually go up a half size in 669 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,920 the endorphin line. When I got this one, I was like 670 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,880 uh oh, maybe I need to go true to size in this because it just 671 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,960 felt a little roomier. So Saucony sent me my normal 672 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,040 size. I was like Nope, this is too 673 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,040 short. So still like great fit uppers, 674 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,400 comfortable. I like how firm and stiff this 675 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,880 shoe is and it feels better for me the faster I run in it. 676 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,280 Like I would never race a marathon in this shoe and I have 677 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,720 raced a marathon in Endorphin Pro 3. 678 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000 This is to me a totally different shoe than any previous 679 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,760 Endorphin pro. So definitely runner up. 680 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,840 I'm not sure. Like I only did 15K in it 681 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,880 because I ended up liking how Cloud Boom E3 felt better. 682 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,440 I thought about using it in a road mile but I liked that Cloud 683 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,320 Boom E3 with slider. So it is just kind of like a 684 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,520 runner up racing shoe, but for some people it could be their 685 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,280 top shoe. So those are my 2 picks. 686 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,680 Perfect. So now we are going to wrap up 687 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,880 this year's discussion on our favorites for all of these 688 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,120 categories with talking about our pick for the company that 689 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,360 impressed us the most this year. And so the goal is to give a 690 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,600 32nd elevator pitch. As to the company that you think 691 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,280 knocked out of the park, Andrea, I'm going to kick it to you 692 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,120 first. You get to kick this off. 693 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,080 What do you think? For me hands down Mizuno with 694 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,040 Wave Rebellion Pro 2 and Flash 2. 695 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,440 Those two shoes are the shoes that feel like they are the most 696 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,840 designed for how I run. Like I feel so comfortable in 697 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,360 them, they feel so natural. They're fast. 698 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,720 Pro 2 is like a real racing shoe, although I would really 699 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,200 only use it for marathon. I wouldn't really use it for 700 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,080 anything faster just didn't feel like responsive enough when I 701 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,920 picked up the pace in it. But as like a true marathon shoe 702 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,640 for midfoot strikers, the Pro 2 is awesome. 703 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,200 Flash 2 as you can see is has pretty much been like my number 704 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,960 one shoe of the year that I've gotten the most miles on and I 705 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,680 can just do a lot with it that was longer than 30 seconds but. 706 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,400 That's great. I'll go next and my pitch is 707 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,560 going to be giving this nod to ASICS. 708 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,840 I think when I look for a company, it's one that has just 709 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,240 a pretty solid offering at the racing end and at the daily 710 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,760 training end. So for me, they kind of have two 711 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,800 shoes that could fit in the daily training and that could 712 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,400 fit different folks. The Nova Blast being one. 713 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560 And honestly, they've kind of nailed down their differences 714 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440 between something like the Nimbus and the Cumulus. 715 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,600 And now they have this different stratified levels of daily 716 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,520 training options for for folks. I think that the Meta Speed Sky 717 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,120 and Edge are really great updates to the shoe. 718 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,400 They've really dialed in the foam, really efficient shoes, 719 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,520 fun to run in and then the Super Blast is a kind of Jack of all 720 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,560 trade shoe that could span a lot of desired types of runs and 721 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,240 could fit for a lot of different folks. 722 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,160 So I think that their portfolio is going to fit them a really 723 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,560 large number of people, not to mention the try Noosa, which is 724 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,160 just like another one of the like they have a lot of shoes at 725 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,880 this kind of 140, a $145.00 range that are super well 726 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,720 performing. I think that's super valuable 727 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,880 because that includes Nova Blast, that includes Trinusa and 728 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,720 that includes the GT 2000. So lots of good stuff from a 729 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,440 six. David, what about you? 730 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,320 I. Might have to go A6 edge Paris 731 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:16,360 Nova blast GT2000 trinusa shoot what do I have blanket on super 732 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,360 blast 2? Did I say that? 733 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,120 I don't know, they killed it daily training line, racing 734 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120 line. I would have liked to maybe give 735 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,200 a nod or honorable mention to Brooks. 736 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,120 They just, I didn't try the Endorphin Elite 4, but I feel 737 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960 like they were just probably just missing that racing 738 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,600 category there. But the other stuff was pretty 739 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,120 good stuff this year. I think the one thing from ASICS 740 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,240 that I want to see them refine more is the magic speed for they 741 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,640 did. They just gave it another big 742 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,200 overhaul and it just, it just feels like it doesn't hit quite. 743 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,720 It's just too stiff for me. I don't know. 744 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,680 They just don't have that shoe yet that I don't think it's hit. 745 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,520 But Matt, what do you think? I'm actually between 2 partially 746 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,720 1 is the like most expensive and ASICS is going to get that where 747 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:02,160 I think they've done a great job really distinguishing each shoe. 748 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,960 They've got something for everyone. 749 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,680 I do agree the magic speed needs to be refined. 750 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,200 That was very confusing. But in terms of like their daily 751 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,440 trainers, like the Keanu is still a phenomenal shoe for 752 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,720 walking. If you need a little bit more 753 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,360 stability, the Nimbus is going to be a phenomenal shoe. 754 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,920 Another one, both those can handle longer standing, longer 755 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,240 walk talking, longer running. It fits a lot of categories. 756 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,320 You've got the meta speed series is the best that it's ever been, 757 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,600 and they did a huge improvement, did a great job. 758 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,720 They've got a couple other models that do a good job like 759 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:35,160 the Noble Blast of filling in a very unique place that I think 760 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,920 is very well delineated between the different shoes. 761 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,040 So I think that's great. I would like to give shout outs 762 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,720 to both Brooks and on, where I think 2025 for Brooks is going 763 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,920 to be a crazy year and I'm really excited to see what's 764 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,720 coming. I've been, I've enjoyed a lot of 765 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,480 their shoes and I think it's going to be good. 766 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840 On's been the other one that has made a lot of improvements. 767 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,360 They've got 2 serious racing shoes now that are legit. 768 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,320 The Cloud Room strike is phenomenal. 769 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,240 There's still some stability stuff that might need to be 770 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,840 adjusted. They're a lot. 771 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,720 They brought a lot of cool stuff to market. 772 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,480 Some stuff still a little bit firm, but it's gotten so much 773 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,160 better that I think they're up and coming. 774 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,880 So Asic's kind of wins for me, but Brooks and on are definitely 775 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,040 on the heels and I'm very curious to see where they go. 776 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,680 I will say too, like on was on my mind, but the one thing it 777 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,360 was on my mind. But the only reason why I didn't 778 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,640 bring up on 2 is because they didn't really have that like 779 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,320 workout shoe for me. They have the daily trainer, 780 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,480 they have the racing shoe cloud Boom strike only missed for me 781 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,800 just because of a heel fit issue. 782 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,280 But otherwise everything you guys said about the four foot 783 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,720 very responsive and bouncy and I almost chose it for a race and 784 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,760 looked the other way despite the heel fit for me. 785 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,400 But yeah, they're that's a good lineup. 786 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,000 I just it's just not quite a full lineup yet. 787 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,880 Like it doesn't feel like it's there, but it's almost there. 788 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,840 So yeah, on was also on a mind. Perfect. 789 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,560 Well, thank you everybody for joining in this journey with us. 790 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,400 And hopefully the stuff that we put out is in some way helpful 791 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,240 in your journey as a runner. I know that we talk a lot about 792 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,480 shoes, which is, as we've said before, is like less than 1% of 793 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,600 being a healthy and successful runner, success being whatever 794 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,240 your definition of success is. But we also love that this 795 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:25,280 platform allows us to talk not just about what's going on with 796 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,240 shoes, but also about rehabilitation and being a 797 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,720 healthy runner. It is time for us to go because 798 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,080 all of the animals of all varieties are rebelling. 799 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,160 So thank you all for joining and we'll talk to you next time.