1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,400 This episode of the Doctors of Running Podcast is sponsored by 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,720 Running Warehouse. Running Warehouse provides the 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,680 best online selection of running shoes and excellent service to 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,680 meet your needs. You can find all of our 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,160 favorites of the year so far at runningwarehouse.com. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,600 And don't miss our team's favorite running items. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,920 At the official Dor Running Warehouse page. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,640 You can find a link in the description to Matt, David, 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,560 Nathan, and Andrea's favorite accessories. 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,520 Hello everybody, and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,160 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the 12 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:41,680 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,200 feet. It is an exciting day today at 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,720 the Round Table because we have four of us here. 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,240 We have the founder, Doctor Matthew Klein, we have Dr. 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Andrea Myers, Doctor David Sauce and myself, I'm Nathan Brown, 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,600 and we are all coming together in mid June. 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,320 That's when we're recording this episode because we wanted to 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,640 talk about what are our top picks of shoes for the beginning 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,840 half of 2025. So we always have fun kind of 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,920 looking back at all the shoes that we've tested thus far and 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,000 which have really risen to the top. 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,280 So we love being able to go through this and we try to make 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,240 sure that we can schedule a time for all of us to be together to 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,640 hopefully give the broadest perspective of our entire team, 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,320 knowing that not everyone is going to think 1 shoe is the 27 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:27,200 best shoe for anything in particular. 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,120 So when we get to that portion of the podcast, we are going to 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,960 be doing this as a building our perfect running shoe rotation. 30 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,160 And so we're going to be each picking a shoe from the daily 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,560 training category, the long run category, the performance shoe 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,320 or workout shoe category, and then our top racer and all of 33 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:49,360 these from the beginning of 2025 or we have a little caveat. 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Sometimes they dip into the end of 2020, did I say 2024? 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,240 Anyway, end of 2024 we dip into as well. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,440 And that's because sometimes there are shoes that did not get 37 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,560 opportunities to be recognized for the end of your awards last 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 year. So, and the 2024, first half of 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,479 2025, that's what we're going to be talking about today. 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,720 But before we do that, we also wanted to briefly talk about a 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,360 sponsor that's been with us over this past year. 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,760 And we just wanted to again, thank them for being a part of 43 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,480 kind of fueling this podcast, allowing it to move forward. 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,480 And that's Scratch Labs. If you remember when we first 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,680 started doing the sponsorship in connection with Scratch, we 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,600 thought it was really important that we didn't just take a 47 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,000 company that was going to kind of work with us on this stuff 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,720 because we could get something for it. 49 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,120 But we wanted to make sure that they really aligned with what 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,160 our team thinks and utilized before we even had a 51 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,000 sponsorship. So this is a scratch has been a 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,360 company that all all of us have enjoyed utilizing in the past. 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,880 And so it just felt like such a natural partnership that we felt 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,800 like we could authentically move forward with. 55 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,720 So as a thank you, we, I want us all to just share what is our 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,240 favorite product that we've been using from scratch over this 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,240 past year. Andrew, do you want to kick us 58 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,240 off? Definitely. 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,160 I've been using Scratch forever from back in my cycling days and 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,920 I've always used their sport hydration and I would say my two 61 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:19,120 favorite flavors are lemon lime and strawberry lemonade, which 62 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,040 I'm drinking right now. What I like about it is it's 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,320 doesn't have anything artificial, which is really 64 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,000 important to me. I hate hydration products that 65 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,200 have artificial sweeteners and it has 400 milligrams of sodium 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,080 per serving, which is really important. 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,840 So those that's definitely my favorite scratch product. 68 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Nice, Matt, what about you? I'm going to violate the rules 69 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,880 and go with two. I'm similar to Andrea. 70 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,080 I've been, I've been using scratch for a long time because 71 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,240 I have a very, very, very sensitive GI system. 72 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,960 And especially now with some of the health stuff I've got going 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,920 on, it's very important that I don't upset my stomach and keep 74 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,280 my system working pretty well. And yeah, it's, it works great. 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,800 The two products that I absolutely love and buy tons of 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,800 is their recovery mix, especially the the chocolate. 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,600 And they use it as hot chocolate, which I actually just 78 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,320 finished drinking literally 30 seconds ago as my posts long run 79 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,000 rushing to get on the podcast recovery drink. 80 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,760 And then the there's sport hydration mix like Andrea is a 81 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,040 favorite. So the two that I've really 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,720 enjoyed recently has been strawberry lemonade and the 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,240 orange, which has been great. And I really, I wish I'd known 84 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,600 about doing this a lot better that I've taken. 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,760 We've been taking the sport hydration mix on every long run 86 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,640 and like every two miles will just take a sip. 87 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,520 And it's done amazing for both maintaining some faster long run 88 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,400 workouts as well as just alleviating that mental fog 89 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,240 through the rest of the day. So I'm like, man, I wish I'd 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,160 like really thought about this. And like, I kind of knew this, 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,560 but didn't really apply it when I was younger, But now it's like 92 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,480 a kind of a must have, especially being a dad at the 93 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,320 same time and trying to keep some energy. 94 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,920 A chase such as Isabella later, it's it's been a a godsend for 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,920 long runs especially, so it's great. 96 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,240 David, what about you? Yeah, does does this hat count? 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Sure. That's kind of OP, but any who, 98 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,360 they're a nutrition company. The mine has kind of changed 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,840 over time. So I, I really like the Super 100 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,400 high carb mix when I was doing a lot of long runs and I was kind 101 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,800 of in the full swing of training, but I'm really not 102 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,520 running that much right now. So I'm not really using that 103 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,200 product as much. And so lately I found myself 104 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,840 using the sport hydration quite a bit. 105 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Strawberry Lemonade as well is my favorite. 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,760 They hit, they did really good with that. 107 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,600 And then the other one is the bars, the nutrition, the energy 108 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,040 bars. Yeah, they're super light on the 109 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,880 stomach. They go down really well. 110 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,440 They pack a decent punch for what they are. 111 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,360 I mean, they're what, 200 and 32140 calories roughly. 112 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 So if you're trying to get quick and available energy and 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,200 something that's light on the gut, it's not bad. 114 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,720 And I would eat it a lot before runs and stuff too. 115 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,840 So a great pre run option or posts, I mean, or if you're just 116 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:10,760 needing something throughout the middle of the day. 117 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,040 So I'd probably say the sport hydration and the bars. 118 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,600 Yeah, mine is the recovery mix. I use that every single time. 119 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,920 And for me, for me it's a combination of like what their 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,840 ingredients are as Andrea talked about, but also like pretty much 121 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:26,280 everything they do just tastes good. 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,880 And I definitely put that for all of like I've enjoyed every 123 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,640 single recovery flavor I've gotten. 124 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,480 The strawberry was super good, but chocolate, like you Matt, is 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,320 my go to. I just finished a bag of the 126 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,240 horchata yesterday. So it's so good. 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,120 Like, so they just are really hitting with their flavors, but 128 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,720 then it's backed by good ingredients, so win, win. 129 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,040 So yeah, man. I got to, I got to say that the 130 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,080 hot chocolate is good, but you are totally right. 131 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,640 I got to switch to orchata now because now I can't really make 132 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,440 hot chocolate since it's cut becoming summer right now. 133 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,080 So it's like it's not really working as it tastes great. 134 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,640 It's just like I don't really want to get hotter. 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,960 So the orchata is also legit. Absolutely awesome, legit 136 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,440 flavor. What was funny was last winter 137 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,480 they came out with the apple cider flavor and it was 138 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,400 legitimately good as hot apple cider, which I was like, why is 139 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,680 this actually tasting like good apple cider? 140 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,200 It was frustrating, frustratingly good, but so thank 141 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,120 you to Scratch for being on this journey with us. 142 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,480 It helps us continue to do the podcast. 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,600 But if you all are wanting to try out Scratch, you can use a 144 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,000 code that they gave us. It's Doctors of Running is our 145 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,200 code, and it gets you 20% off your first order. 146 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,680 But let's move into the fun part of the episode. 147 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,520 We're going to be talking about again our ideal lineup based on 148 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,440 the shoes that have been released in the beginning of 149 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,760 2025 or again the end of 2024. And we're going to start with 150 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,720 the category that eats up most of our miles, that daily 151 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,560 mileage, that daily trainer who wants to go first. 152 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,320 What is your pick right now this far into 2025 for your top 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,680 trainer and why? Matt, go ahead. 154 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,560 This might be the most polite that he's ever been. 155 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,840 Like I'll speak. I raise my hand all the time. 156 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:04,720 You guys made fun of me for that. 157 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,160 But it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,480 Is it all right if I go? Yeah, of course. 159 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,760 Of course, this might also win. Yeah, it's all might also win 160 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,960 another award. But I I am loving the ASICS gel 161 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Keanu 32. And I am ranting about this 162 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,920 thing in a positive way. And I'm trying to make sure that 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,240 this doesn't come off as very biased, but like this is the 164 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,800 best Keanu I've ever worn. It's the first Keanu that I've 165 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,320 actually gone. I want to put miles on this. 166 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,039 And I don't mean to be rude because I know that we have 167 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,840 people that have designed these shoes listening, but previous 168 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,600 ones have either been clunky rear foots, just not where it 169 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,720 needs to be. They've always been heavy. 170 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,480 It's never been my first choice and this is the first one. 171 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,520 I'm like, I grabbed this for everything. 172 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,200 If I don't like obviously not speed as much, but I actually 173 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,560 just like cranked down some like mid 6 minute miles in this the 174 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,200 other day and I was like, oh, so it's not a it's not a 175 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,880 lightweight shoe, It's not meant for workouts, but it's just the 176 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,200 heel, the slightly lower drop, the heel, just the geometry, the 177 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,280 stability is so smooth. It's just been a shoe that I 178 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,200 keep grabbing. And I mentioned this on 100 mile 179 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,720 review because I've got 110 on this. 180 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,120 The durability isn't as hot as I would like, but this is not that 181 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,520 abnormal for me. So, but outside of that, it's 182 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,960 it's just been a great shoe for both daily miles, no matter 183 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,240 what's going to come at me, but also long runs as well. 184 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,560 There'll be the long range, another long range in the mix 185 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:28,080 here. But I'm I'm loving the shoe. 186 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,840 It's the yeah, it's great. This has nothing to do with the 187 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,760 performance of the shoe, but I do think this is one of those 188 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,600 shoes that Matt doesn't pronounce right. 189 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,480 I think I'm pretty sure it's not Keano, but it's. 190 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:44,680 It's Keano, I get it. Yes, I don't know if YouTube 191 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,280 comments. I don't know if the emphasis is 192 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,200 on the Kyano or if it's Kyano. I know I've said Kyano, but I 193 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,640 just looked it up and it looks like it might be Kyano. 194 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,720 People help us. Out, Kyano. 195 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,520 I know I go. We're gonna get we're gonna get 196 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,000 YouTube comment about this. I like it. 197 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,640 All I know is it's not. I look like this shoe. 198 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,200 It is. I don't know how to pronounce it 199 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,040 right, but I know Matt not pronouncing. 200 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 It that's come as a surprise. To be honest. 201 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,760 So, Andrea, what do you got for yours? 202 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,920 So I am super excited about this year because I didn't even know 203 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,120 I was going to get to test it. Matt. 204 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,040 Matt doesn't even know what I'm going to say. 205 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,080 The fly light 6 topping. Fly light. 206 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Wow. Yeah, you have like. 207 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,040 Yes, this shoe. That's awesome. 208 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Amazing. So I am kind of anticipating 209 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,960 that my current favorite daily trainer, the Hyperion 2 is going 210 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,400 to get ruined by getting a bunch of additional midsole stack. 211 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,040 So this may very well be its replacement for me, although 212 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,040 it's definitely a lower profile than the Hyperion 2. 213 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:57,760 This shoe is 23 in the heel and 20 in the four foot with a 3mm 214 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,560 drop. I think it's 6.3 oz for woman's 215 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:06,960 8 and like 7:00-ish for men's 9. But it's just, you know, classic 216 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:12,120 topo fit, nice wide toe box, really neutral profile, and it 217 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,280 just eats up miles for me. I've really been enjoying it for 218 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,560 my long not long runs, easy runs, warm ups and cool downs 219 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:22,480 before workouts. It's actually really nice for 220 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,680 strides too because it's stiffer. 221 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:31,200 It's basically like a lower profile, less flexible cyclone 222 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:37,120 and I love it. So I probably have 20 or 25 223 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,120 miles on it so far. Like not enough to quite write 224 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,520 the review yet, but getting there. 225 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,480 But I am really enjoying it. So you said that it would be 226 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,680 potentially the replacement for a Hyperion 2 if, if they do 227 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,360 change the Hyperion 2, which that's just a trend probably in 228 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,200 general, yes, Yeah. Do you, is it better than the 229 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,720 Hyperion 2 for you or is it just I guess it'll work kind of like 230 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,800 the Hyperion 2, I guess it'll work for the beacon not existing 231 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,160 anymore kind of situation. Yeah, I like the way it fits 232 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,080 better than the Hyperion 2 simply because like the Topo toe 233 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:17,760 box fit is the best fit for me. It's a little lower stack than I 234 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,320 would like. The Hyperion 2 I've used for so 235 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,480 many long runs and I'm not sure I would use the fly light for it 236 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,480 simply because it's lower to the ground. 237 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,480 But for like everyday five to Six Mile runs or warm ups and 238 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,800 cool downs, it's perfect. Cool. 239 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,000 And I've loved that shoe for kind of like runs and then 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,320 lifting just because it is slightly lower profile. 241 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,760 And it's not like it's not like an ideal lifting shoe. 242 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Like if you want to be in lifting and you want to like 243 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,560 have a really grounded shoe, it's not that. 244 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:47,920 But if you're looking for something that can do both for 245 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,480 you, I feel like it fits there too. 246 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,000 I would agree with that, I haven't tried it at the gym yet. 247 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,400 I use the ST5 for most of my gym work. 248 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,600 I would say the main difference between the two is just this is 249 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,400 so much stiffer than ST5. I can't remember off the top of 250 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,920 my head the stack height of ST5, but it must be. 251 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,240 I think St. 5 is in the teens, so it's a little bit lower to 252 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,840 the ground. But yeah, I could absolutely see 253 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,280 this being a great lifting shoe too, like you said. 254 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,760 Yeah, it's 14. The ST5 from Topo is 14mm and 255 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,320 it's a zero drop issue. I will also say really quick 256 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,800 that shoes been great as a walking and standing shoe. 257 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,800 Like sometimes like for right now, my post tip is getting 258 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,680 better. It's it's really, really 259 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:36,440 starting to prove. So I've had to ease into low 260 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,000 draw, like 0 drop stuff and it's been a great because what got a 261 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,080 it's three or 533333. That's right. 262 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,880 So that 3mm drop has been just enough to offset kind of any 263 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,960 like irritation in my foot and ankle. 264 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,680 And so I've been able to slowly ease back into daily use of 265 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,000 these kind of shoes and that's been a great transitional shoe 266 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,640 as well. And same thing being able to run 267 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,760 a couple miles in it, not a too major of an issue. 268 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,440 The arch is a teeny bit higher. That is just A at least 269 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,040 something that I felt where it's not super low and topo's 270 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,120 consistently doing that where it's like it's not a flat arch. 271 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,280 There is still something there. So you have some people that 272 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,080 need maybe that slight feeling going, Oh, I have a little 273 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,000 pressure on my arch. I've definitely noticed that. 274 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,440 And it's not arch support, but it just has this nice kind of 275 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,000 hold into the midfoot that's been really, really, really, 276 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,680 really good. I think that feel, the arch 277 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,520 feeling is similar to Cyclone two and three. 278 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,880 Would you agree? Yeah. 279 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,600 I would 1000% agree. I think that's the perfect way 280 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,560 of saying that. Well, I'll go next. 281 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:37,680 My daily trainer so far this year is the Nike Vomero 18 and 282 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,880 they really overhauled the 17 where they put the dual density 283 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,440 midsole and it was good for me. Then what I like about the 284 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,760 update to this one is it almost feels like the Zoomax top layer 285 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,560 is almost thinner than it was last version because the shoe is 286 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,080 overall a little bit firmer. I think part of that too is the 287 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,200 geometry that they did on the outside of each part of the shoe 288 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,280 just because it has a little bit of a convex nature to it. 289 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,160 So it doesn't just compress on either side as well and it's got 290 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,000 some flexibility, but moderate stiffness. 291 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,840 So it operates off the rocker. It's just working really well 292 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,480 for my foot right now. And so I that's why I've 293 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,760 appreciated it. I know you've had issues with 294 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,040 durability. I have had none issues with 295 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,480 durability but that's because I don't RIP everything off like. 296 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,280 Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like most of your tank he just 297 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,640 like shreds the outside off like it's not even the rubber gives, 298 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,800 it's like the glue, correct. Holding the rubber to the shoe 299 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,480 gives. So I have not had any like 300 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,600 abrasion going down on on these shoes. 301 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,360 And I've I've it's 10 1/2 oz, It's a 10mm drop. 302 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,360 It's really high stacked. It's like 44 to 34, but it just 303 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,640 feels really rhythmic, really good for easy runs. 304 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,440 And I've taken on like moderate long runs as well. 305 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,160 So it's just it's done well for all of that. 306 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,080 My biggest complaint is that I was pulling the heel tab and it 307 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,000 ripped. So that's not super fun. 308 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,720 So they could obviously improve on that, but that's, I mean, 309 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,840 that has nothing to do with how it feels when I'm actually 310 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,000 running. But come on, you should get a 311 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,120 heel tab that that works and and holds up. 312 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,440 So I I like the little bit stiffer nature of it, a little 313 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,480 bit more firm. It feels snappy. 314 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:16,520 It's not a light shoe at all, but it can handle easy miles and 315 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,400 daily mileage and a little up tempo just fine for me. 316 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,680 So that's my pick. I would say it feels like a 317 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,360 boring pick, but but it's definitely the one that I I 318 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,880 would I've been reaching for for the daily mileage pace, but the 319 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,480 other shoe that I would did want to bring up. 320 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:36,680 I'm pulling a David here is the topo phantom 4I really love the 321 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,360 fit of it. I like that it's a little bit 322 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,600 softer than the than the phantom 3. 323 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,200 The only issue that I'm I'm having with it is that their 324 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,280 lateral sidewall is just pushing into my lateral foot, 325 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,400 particularly on the left side and just causing a little 326 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,960 irritation. Like I took it on like a 10 327 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Miller and I could just feel it by the end. 328 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,240 So it's limiting me from like using it a ton just because of 329 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,720 kind of they have the ortho light like insert in there and 330 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,840 then some of the side walls just aren't agreeing with me. 331 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,839 But if you don't have that issue, I think this is a great 332 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,480 shoe and a good movement forward of the phantom line. 333 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,640 I liked that sheer Nathan, but the medial midfoot sidewall did 334 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,640 not agree with me. There we go. 335 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,920 They've got a lot of side walls in there that I don't think they 336 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,000 need. I think if they shave those 337 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,079 down. I think the additional stack 338 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:28,560 height in this version compared to the three made the side walls 339 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,040 firmer. I felt like the three, they 340 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,360 collapsed more so you didn't notice them as much, but they're 341 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,520 very noticeable in the four. They are. 342 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,160 I think that's an easy alteration for the future 343 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,200 because it's why it's wide enough of a geometry that you 344 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,320 don't really need for a neutral show. 345 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,760 You don't really need that cradling as much, but it is what 346 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,160 it is. All right, David, your turn. 347 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,840 All right, Well, for people that have been watching this show or 348 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,000 listening to us, I think over the years I've kind of 349 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,480 traditionally kind of fell right in the middle. 350 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,920 I feel like when it comes to stack or stiffness or 351 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,280 cushioning, like I tend to do pretty well with a lot of the 352 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,480 flagship shoes when it comes to daily training across, you know, 353 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,160 a pretty large variety of companies. 354 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,840 This shoe that I'm going to bring up is one that I've been a 355 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,000 long time fan of throughout its lineage and the last version 356 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,400 just kind of missed the mark for me, I think with the upper fit 357 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,720 and things just didn't quite go very well. 358 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,400 But then this newer version mid soles the same geometry, to my 359 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,160 knowledge is roughly the same. They changed it a little bit and 360 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,600 then the upper is a million times better and that's the sock 361 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,960 and you ride 18. And so I, I don't know if that 362 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,280 shocks you guys or not, but it's one of the shoes that I've kind 363 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,480 of come back to. You know, we keep testing more 364 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,080 and more things. It was kind of one of the first 365 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,600 things that came through earlier in the year. 366 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,560 It's just nice and steady for me. 367 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,480 It's kind of just checks all the boxes. 368 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,800 It's got a very nice breathable, surprisingly plush upper for 369 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,400 what it is because it's not the quote UN quote premium trainer, 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,160 but it almost feels like it. And then the weight is what like 371 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,080 in the 9 oz range, I think. So it's pretty lightweight for 372 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,640 the most part, good outsole coverage. 373 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,160 I haven't had any issues with taking it in any all the 374 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,000 situations I'd want to take it at daily paces I haven't had any 375 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,640 issues with. And it's just a very balanced 376 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,800 rocker profile, nice and steady power run plus midsole. 377 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,960 So you kept that durable kind of beaded TPU kind of midsole and a 378 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,480 little bit of flexibility, but it's not I wouldn't say it's 379 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,960 flexible, you know, so it can just do a little bit of 380 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,640 everything and it can take a beating and it's nice and 381 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,480 rhythmic for me. So one of the few shoes where I 382 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,160 feel like I can stand, walk, run, do kind of literally 383 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,440 anything I want in the shoe for the most part. 384 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,320 So I've been actually really happy with the Ride series. 385 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,480 And I mean, that's probably not a surprise considering the Ride 386 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,480 16 was something that I love in the 17, it was like I wanted to 387 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,200 love, but I just like, it just wasn't quite there. 388 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,720 But the 18 came back around so. I think for me with the 17, one 389 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,280 of the things that prevented me from really loving it was 390 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,080 actually the upper because they had that kind of plasticky. 391 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,200 Midfoot. Hold on it. 392 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,200 It's down a little tighter. It wasn't forgiving and they 393 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,720 kind of just made it more traditional classic for the 18 394 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,960 and it feels better for me. Before we move on from the daily 395 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,920 daily training category, is there anything else we want to 396 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,160 add? I have an honorable mention to 397 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,960 add. All right, that's right. 398 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,800 I'm inspired by David. I only have one honorable 399 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,120 mention, so I'm not quite at your honorable mention level 400 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:40,680 yet. This is another shoe that I just 401 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,280 recently got for testing. I think I have three runs on it, 402 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,200 so maybe like 1520 miles. But I am really enjoying it and 403 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,920 I think it's going to be one of my favorites for the year and it 404 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,480 is the new. This. 405 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,000 Shoe is a lot of fun. I think. 406 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,640 It's funny I posted a picture of these shoes on my feet the other 407 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,760 day and I got 2 messages like immediately saying do you have 408 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,640 your shoes on the wrong foot because the artwork is on the 409 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,960 inside and no that's just how they made it. 410 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,600 And that's actually one of the things I like about it because 411 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,360 the original 1 had the big logo on the outside and it put a 412 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,280 little pressure over like my 4th and 5th toes. 413 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,800 So this upper definitely fits better for me and the midsole, I 414 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,920 think it's a little firmer than version one. 415 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,080 I like that feeling. It's been great for recovery 416 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:37,080 runs, just regular easy runs. I haven't taken it on a long run 417 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,120 yet, but I'm going to. My long runs right now are like 418 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,960 10 miles though so not what I was doing when I was training 419 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,400 for marathons, but I definitely this is my second favorite daily 420 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,800 trainer I've tested this year to. 421 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,960 Cool to confirm you said you said firmer than the previous 422 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,240 version. Yes. 423 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,600 I'm sorry. To this. 424 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,880 Andrew, I think we need to have another episode. 425 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,200 So it does not, no. It's astronomically softer. 426 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:16,320 So yeah, it's to to me, it feels. 427 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,440 How do I describe this? I'm not fully surprised that 428 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,160 you're saying that, not that I'm judging. 429 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,000 It feels very different from the the original felt very. 430 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,320 I'm not surprised that you're saying that, because you're 431 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080 wrong. No, I no. 432 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,560 So let me let me clarify that we have different mechanics. 433 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,920 So I'm always trying to think about like, OK, how are you 434 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 loading the shoe differently? Why won't I be having these 435 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,520 experiences? So that's not completely 436 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000 surprising me. What did you think about the 437 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,040 original? I liked the original. 438 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,880 I didn't last year when I was testing it. 439 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,440 I think my long runs were like 12 to 15 miles and I used it on 440 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,440 several of them. I liked it. 441 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,640 I didn't like the overlay over the lateral forefoot, but I just 442 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,320 recall feeling like it's just a little bit too soft for me to 443 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,680 keep using, so I did not use. It. 444 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,760 Yeah. Can you hold the shoe up again? 445 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,520 For me it felt like. Kind of like a lateral view. 446 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,280 Yeah. Because you also land much more 447 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,920 anterior. And it's a. 448 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Dual density midsole. I'm landing like. 449 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480 Here, you're probably integrating with that plate a 450 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280 little quicker. Even if the film's more 451 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,840 compliant, it might feel firmer. Right, because you've got this 452 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,080 dual density here, I'm not interacting with that at all. 453 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,280 Yeah. So if I'm landing like right 454 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,000 there, then that's going to feel totally different for me. 455 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,560 That's probably just I just yeah, that's why I was asking. 456 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,160 I don't think I am. I'm transitioning through the 457 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,880 shoe as well. Like the first one just felt 458 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,360 like, yeah, it was very soft, but it was so responsive. 459 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,360 Like I that's the shoe that I ran a sub five stroller mile 460 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,800 with. And so I was like, oh, like I 461 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,640 really, I like the bounce. Obviously as you get to 100 462 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,280 miles like it, it lessens, it becomes softer and softer. 463 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,480 Whereas version 2 felt much softer immediately and I think 464 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,640 is the stack height is the same higher lower than the original I 465 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240 have. I have looked at this and found 466 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,880 a variety of reports. Might be slightly higher, but I 467 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280 don't have confirmation. I have the chair. 468 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,360 I pulled the. Two up stack is heel 45, four 469 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,720 foot 37. So what was the original? 470 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,320 It wasn't at 45 before. At all? 471 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,400 Yeah. Was it at 4443? 472 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Here I've got it right here. The reason I'm asking is when I 473 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,240 first put it on, it was like, whoa, like this? 474 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,360 Yeah, it's not the same shoe. It's. 475 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,040 Yeah, it's it's a new phone though, like they did update the 476 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,400 metal like it's yeah, definitely softer from the top, so at 477 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,080 least. The original was 44 and a half, 478 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,720 36 1/2. Yeah, so how about this you got? 479 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,320 Similar. That was my gut instinct going I 480 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,600 bet these are the same. The two feel so much taller and 481 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,920 just like there's a lot more lot more midsole like compression, 482 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,520 but I'm not getting as much bounce off. 483 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,080 So for me I'm not getting that same responsiveness and like 484 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,640 turnover. The The the upper is much better 485 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,040 in my opinion. But I can also see I think the 486 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,120 Vista 2 is going to be more popular. 487 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,000 I think it's just better. Yeah, I think the the uppers 488 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,800 cleaned up, updates cleaned up. I think a lot of people are 489 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,480 going to like the ride more than the first one. 490 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,120 With the first one was, I felt like it was pretty aggressive, 491 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,000 not necessarily in a bad way, but I'm like, oh, I really liked 492 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,600 it because I felt like I could turn over so well on it. 493 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,080 I think the next one may not be. And so David seems like he 494 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,680 disagrees, which is great. So. 495 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Yeah, I like the Neo Vista too. I think it actually does have a 496 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,160 pretty good amount of responsiveness to it, even 497 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,280 relative to the first one, maybe even more so. 498 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,920 I think it's just because that foam's a little softer. 499 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,440 It might feel a little more awkward at like fast paces, but 500 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,120 I'm not going to be running 5K10K pace in the Neo Vista 2 501 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,280 like so for like long run paces or like long workouts and tempo 502 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520 runs and things like that, I think it might actually be 503 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,400 better. And I think the upper fits 504 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,760 better. It's more airy. 505 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,560 I doesn't get that like weird scrunchiness that the other one 506 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,640 would get on the on the outer like booty construction of it. 507 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,000 So I actually like the Neo Vista too. 508 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,560 It's not on my list today. Sorry guys, but. 509 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,400 And for the secret of this by the end. 510 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,880 Of the year, I don't know it that that's an honorable mention 511 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,480 worthy shoe for me at the moment, even though it's not on 512 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,920 the list. So we'll get that out of the way 513 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,160 I guess. But yeah. 514 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,680 This episode sponsored by the Mizuno Neo Vista 2 surprise 515 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,560 review of. Yeah, yeah, I know. 516 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,960 We we spent way too much time talking. 517 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,800 And we're not, we're not done. Sorry. 518 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,200 I gotta add, I gotta add something too. 519 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,920 I have to add something too, because pretty much everything 520 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,040 David said, I also feel the opposite of that. 521 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,120 I I like this too, but I there's a couple things I wonder. 522 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,800 You don't like the upper, huh? Yeah, I don't like the upper. 523 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,680 Yeah, you're the. Only one. 524 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,480 When I had the, I'm thinking back to the Hoka Carbon X3, they 525 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,840 went to the booty construction on that and it would always fold 526 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,480 over on top and I would have to deal with that. 527 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,920 And I get the same thing because it's if they did open it up a 528 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,040 little bit in the Neo Vista 2. So I have to cinch it down for 529 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,360 me a little bit more. So I get it folds over under the 530 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,080 laces for me, which I don't love. 531 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,200 It doesn't bother me yet, but I don't like that it shouldn't. 532 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,120 It shouldn't have to have folds in the upper in my opinion, but 533 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:30,160 I agree more with Matt that it's because of how soft it is. 534 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,160 I don't feel like I can push the pace in it. 535 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,480 That's just how it like I'd rather run recovery runs, easy 536 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,240 runs, like maybe some daily mileage, but I wouldn't even 537 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,200 want to do like a mild tempo and like getting down to like half 538 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,800 marathon pace. For me, it just feels a little 539 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,880 bit heavier in that sense because of the how much 540 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,680 compression. However, the other thing that 541 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,480 I'm curious about, and we don't test this, but maybe Yoanna 542 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,680 does, where I would love to see the stack height in the shoe 543 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,080 fresh compared to after 50 miles. 544 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,720 And I'd love to see if this if the foam that they're using here 545 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,960 just compresses down because it does feel so much higher than my 546 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000 originals. But that could also be because 547 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,960 of like use. And how much do we lose in stack 548 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,880 height after using of a shoe? I'd be curious to know that 549 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,080 because I wouldn't be surprised with such like a compliant foam 550 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,960 if you start to lose some of that, you know, full stack 551 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,320 height overtime. But that's not substantiated, 552 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,720 it's more of a curiosity. Well, thanks Andrea for bringing 553 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,560 out that extra mention of the daily trainer category. 554 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Actually, I have one more question for everybody. 555 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,920 The new Vista 2 went from 180 to 200 in price. 556 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120 Do you feel like the value for that shoe is still there at the 557 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,680 200? Because that puts it at right 558 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040 now the same price as the Super Blast. 559 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,560 Like do you feel like the value is still there for the shoe? 560 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,520 Yeah, I think for the right person it is. 561 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,680 Yeah. I'll go out there and say it. 562 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160 It's a new foam. It's really soft, really bounces 563 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,560 a new experience. It's like a lighter profile 564 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640 shoe. Like it kind of checks all the 565 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,120 boxes. It may not be as stable as a 566 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,160 super boss too, but for those that don't want that, you know, 567 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,360 like they have that really soft, fun, bouncy ride in the neo 568 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Vista 2 and it's played. I like I I do think it's a 569 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,840 versatile shoe that can do a little bit of everything. 570 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,640 It just it's obviously really soft. 571 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,920 Like I wouldn't take something that soft for running really 572 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,800 fast, But again, I'm not going to I don't know I'm going to I'm 573 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800 I'll be opting for something lower profile and something more 574 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480 appropriate for going really fast in anyways. 575 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,400 So I think for the uses that it checks the boxes for for me, I 576 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,680 think so I think it's fine. I thought it was a really good 577 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,800 value at 180 in the original, and I think we're going to see 578 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,120 running shoe prices go up $20 across the board because of 579 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,480 tariffs. So I think 200 for the 2 is just 580 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,400 as good of a value. Cool. 581 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Alright client, any thoughts on that? 582 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,800 I I, I mean, I understand this. We're at a time of inflation and 583 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,960 things are getting more expensive and shoes are also 584 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,240 people are charging more for it. So I get it. 585 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,600 I wish it'd say to 180. Like I was just trying to 586 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,960 remember like how much does the SC trainer version 3 cost so 587 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880 well that's not the same because it's much firmer. 588 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,000 The durability on that is killer. 589 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,440 It's been phenomenal and I got that to well over 100 miles and 590 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,240 was able to do workouts, long runs, everything between stable 591 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,840 the. New Balance SC Trainer. 592 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,960 Yeah, it's not the softest shoe on the market, but it can can 593 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,920 still move. And I even with not having the 594 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,280 like best fit, like I should have gone 1/2 size up and we've 595 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,160 talked about that before. It's still 180 and that to me, 596 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,680 like I wish the Neo Vista had stuck at that price. 597 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,160 But I also understand what the foam upgrades and all that 598 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,320 stuff. And it probably with how soft it 599 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,800 feels for the majority of people because, Andrew, you land a 600 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,320 little more forward than a lot of people. 601 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,240 And so most, most, since most people are going to be heel 602 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,600 strikers, I'm assuming people are looking for that super soft 603 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640 ride. I do have to agree with David 604 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480 that yeah, I, I, I, I understand. 605 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,240 I'm not happy about it, but I understand. 606 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,160 I don't think anyone's happy about it. 607 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,840 You know, I think we have to kind of look beyond that when it 608 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,920 comes to the pricing of some of these things. 609 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,560 All right, let's go into our next category and it's shoes for 610 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,040 the long run. And so I will kick us off for 611 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,920 this one just to get myself out of the way. 612 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,440 But mine is a shoe that I have almost the majority of my long 613 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,720 runs in this year, but I can't pick the other one because it's 614 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,960 not from 2025. But I'm going to talk about it 615 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,240 anyway after I finish. But the shoe that I'm going to 616 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,960 say is actually the Skechers arrow burst. 617 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,920 This is one of their new shoes that they've kind of in a first 618 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160 time in a while. They've kind of updated their 619 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040 line. They kind of had the razor 620 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,360 series for a while and now they've kind of done their next 621 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,120 iteration. And I would I wouldn't say this 622 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,440 shoe is like a home run. This shoe will not be my end of 623 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,440 year long run shoe. But for what I have used so far 624 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,880 it has been and it's about 44 ish millimeters in the heel. 625 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,640 It's about 10.8 oz. So it's a bit heavier, 10.9 626 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000 ounces. It's got a dual density midsole 627 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,320 it they weren't super clear on how that is constructed within 628 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640 the midsole, but it also has their H plate. 629 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,440 So that adds a little bit of rigidity. 630 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,240 But it's a really solid rockered shoe. 631 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,360 You're going to feel that rocker on the run. 632 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,880 It's got a nice heel bevel. They do have their arch fit in 633 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,040 the shoot. I've talked about this on 634 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,080 previous episodes. Usually the arch fit is really 635 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,120 problematic for me because it's really pronounced. 636 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,040 This one feels much more kind of tame. 637 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,000 Don't really feel it as much and it's a soft shoe. 638 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960 You kind of like sink into it and at slower paces it's got a 639 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,640 little bit of pop. What I have found with this shoe 640 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,720 from an like what it's useful for if I try to put any sort of 641 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,920 pace in here, it feels heavy and it loses any pop that the foam 642 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,800 had the the hyper first ice, right? 643 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560 All of the pop that it has at the slower paces, it doesn't 644 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,920 keep giving it as I go faster. So definitely something that has 645 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,560 just been I've taken on multiple 10 plus mile runs and it's 646 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,080 worked really well for that. But it's limited to kind of that 647 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840 slower paces because of the weight and the lack of the foam 648 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,080 responsiveness as I picked up the pace. 649 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,360 At least that was my experience. But just to really say really 650 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,960 briefly, the shoe that I have most of my long runs in this 651 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,040 year, I did like my half marathon in it and then I also 652 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,160 ran 14 1/2 yesterday is the Super Blast 2 still? 653 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,040 It's just lightweight. It can just kind of go like I 654 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,360 did my last mile yesterday at like a 710 pace and I was most 655 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,800 of the run was like an 840. And so it can just kind of do 656 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,440 whatever and it's just a great shoe. 657 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,800 So not 2025, but I still love it for long runs. 658 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,480 Who's going next? I can go next cuz we got the 659 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,040 honorable mention out of the way already. 660 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,200 So my honorable mention would be the Neo Vista 2 there. 661 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Do you want to? Talk about it anymore. 662 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,280 I'm just kidding. Oh, I was going to, but I mean, 663 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,320 no. We got it out of the way. 664 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,200 Keep going, keep going. BJ for cut the next 15 minutes 665 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,320 out. This will be fine, I'm just 666 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,239 kidding. But I'm I'm not doing as many 667 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,760 like faster long runs like I used to. 668 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,440 And so that's kind of why it's not really like my main long run 669 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,920 option at the moment. I think it does really well at 670 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,880 that like slight up tempo pacing where it's just like you just 671 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,400 fall into rhythm, just go to work and you know, 90 minutes at 672 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,280 something at some pace or something like that. 673 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,159 I'm just not doing that type of work right now. 674 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:37,560 So my long run shoe right now you could make the case is more 675 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,000 in the daily training category than it is in the long run 676 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,920 category. But it's been in the long run 677 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,000 category for me and I'm kind of cheating a little bit because it 678 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880 would have otherwise been an honorable mention for the daily 679 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,000 training category. But it's going to be the Brooks 680 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,679 Glycerin 22. Oh wow. 681 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,760 I like it. I like it a lot and I feel like 682 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,000 I'm kind of getting the experience that I would have 683 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,920 loved to get out of the Glycerin Max, if that makes sense. 684 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,360 I feel like there was a lot of hype around that shoe and that 685 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,440 shoe just did not work for me. I can see why people like it. 686 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,160 I can look at it from a design standpoint. 687 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,960 I can appreciate the shoe, but like, it was so compliant and 688 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,200 even though it was a wider platform and the way they had it 689 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280 structured, like I just felt like I was like, I don't know, 690 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520 like I felt like I was just like balancing on stilts, if that 691 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,800 makes sense, every step. And it never leveled out. 692 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,800 And so like I would get really fatigued and gassed running in 693 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,240 that shoe and I just like couldn't really take it past 6 694 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,000 miles. And it wasn't like a knock on 695 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 the shoe. I do think it's a good shoe for 696 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,760 the right people. Obviously it worked really well 697 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,680 for Klein, but I feel like this shoe kind of leveled that out 698 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,080 for me. It gave me a little bit more of 699 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,640 a neutral option and then they tuned it to be DNA tuned thing. 700 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,240 They got me. But it's softer in the heel and 701 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,200 firmer in the forefoot, not just because of the drop, it's 702 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,200 because of the way that they did the midsole. 703 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,600 And so you get kind of a more plush heel with a little bit 704 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,440 more of a bouncy and responsive forefoot. 705 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,600 The weights a little bit heavier. 706 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,240 Obviously this is more of a daily training type of shoe, but 707 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,280 I feel like I can fall into rhythm really well. 708 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880 The rocker profile isn't crazy, but it has a bevel and it has a 709 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,160 rounding in the forefoot. It just feels very, I don't 710 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,360 know, it feels like a slightly structured neutral, if that 711 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,240 makes sense. And it just kind of has a nice 712 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,280 little roll to it. There's nothing too crazy about 713 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,440 it. I can fall into rhythm. 714 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,440 And again, I can kind of take it wherever I want to for the most 715 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480 part, and it doesn't feel unstable to me. 716 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,760 Yeah. So I have a nice, you know, 717 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,560 cushioned rear foot there that transitions into a little bit 718 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,280 more of a poppy and lively forefoot. 719 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,720 And like, no, it's not going to be a speed shoot, but it's just 720 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,000 like enough of a bounce to give that 4 foot a little bit of life 721 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,240 and kind of make you excited about the next step. 722 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,040 And so, yeah, I've actually really been liking the Glycerin 723 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,000 22. So yeah. 724 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,960 That's awesome. Andrew, you want to go next? 725 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,360 All right, well, similar to you, my pick is not the shoe I have 726 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,280 the most long run miles on. I've basically been using my 727 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,120 long runs to get test miles on. We've had so many super shoes 728 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,840 and up tempo shoes to test this year, which is awesome. 729 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,920 So what I have the most miles on when I'm not testing shoes is 730 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,880 Hyperion too. But I thought about, well, out 731 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,040 of all of the shoes I've taken on long runs this year and again 732 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,520 for me, long run is like 10 miles at like 30 seconds slower 733 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,920 than marathon pace. It's actually the Deodora Gera 734 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,400 carbon too. And I've got different picks 735 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,480 this time. So this shoe is one of the most 736 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,280 comfortable fitting super shoes I've tested. 737 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,560 So it's really great for long run simply because you just 738 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,080 don't notice the upper at all. It's it feels like a super shoe. 739 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,840 It's P backs. What do they call it? 740 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,360 Anima PBX. It just, it rolls nicely. 741 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,280 I actually really enjoyed testing it for faster intervals 742 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120 too. But it can just you're kind of 743 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,600 just set your pace and go and I felt like I could kind of forget 744 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,720 about the shoe. It gave me a little boost in 745 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:16,080 terms of pace at a given effort. So it's been really enjoyable on 746 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,320 the long runs I've used it for and it's durability has been 747 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,840 pretty good. I can't remember how many miles 748 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,280 I have on it, but you know I haven't really eaten up like the 749 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,000 exposed midsole that much 4 foot's in great shape. 750 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,080 So I would expect a lot of miles out of this shoe for a super 751 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000 shoe. I I actually really enjoyed 752 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,160 running in this shoe. So highly recommend I mean it is 753 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520 one of the most expensive super shoes out there. 754 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,320 What is it, 300, which actually doesn't make it one of the most 755 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,480 super expensive super shoes anymore, but it's expensive for 756 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,080 the category of super shoe it's in. 757 00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:00,120 So if you're a Deodora fan, I would recommend it. 758 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,880 But yeah, it is a little pricing. 759 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,280 All right, Matt, your turn. All right, so this one already 760 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,880 got an award, but I so I'll move on, but just say most of my long 761 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,480 runs have been in the Kayano. It's a solid shoe, but still 762 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,800 wrong. Yeah, whatever. 763 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,760 That's true. Fine, it doesn't get a word 764 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,480 that's true just because if if I'm doing something easy, pace 765 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,120 has been good. But for the majority of our 766 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,720 longer runs between my wife and I, since we do all of our 767 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,560 training together have not been easy. 768 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,560 There's been starting to do some up tempo stuff. 769 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,080 We're working down into like type marathon type paces and 770 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,360 stuff like that for longer efforts. 771 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,040 So there's actually 2 shoes which I've really, really 772 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,520 enjoyed for this. And Andrea, sorry to do this to 773 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:47,360 you, but the Hyperion Max 3 has actually been a favorite. 774 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,160 The DNA Gold, although it's not the full length. 775 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,200 I'm sorry, was that too? Was that too much? 776 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,240 No. For more on this topic, please 777 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,240 see our previous podcast episode in which Matt Nice and. 45 778 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:02,640 minutes disagreeing on this shoe. 779 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,720 Yeah, yeah, I will. The upper is a little thicker 780 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,480 than it needs to be. It's a little more snug than it 781 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,840 needs to be, but it's been a fun shoe that I can go between 782 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,360 easier and faster efforts. And it's not the fastest shoe 783 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,720 and I think it is still a lot heavier and the upper is a lot 784 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,520 thicker than it needs to be. But it's been a really, really 785 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,240 solid option, been a shoe I've done a lot of long runs in the 786 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,080 other shoe that has come as quite a surprise. 787 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,120 And it's it's not perfect, but I've really enjoyed the faster 788 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,560 long runs. So this will be 1 that'll bring 789 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,880 up in the speed trainer one. But the SC elite version 5 has 790 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,480 been really solid. I did not think this was going 791 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,600 to be stable enough for me with that midfoot, but it's done 792 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,520 super well on like the longer up tempo, faster long runs has done 793 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,720 really well. It's not super great for easy 794 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:51,960 runs. It's OK. 795 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,320 It's it's definitely way more gross to the previous version. 796 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,440 I have some caveats with this where it kind of is no longer 797 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880 that friendly super shoe like the old one was. 798 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,040 But if we're doing up tempo long runs, it's actually done 799 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,440 surprisingly well. And I really thought I was going 800 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,280 to irritate my post him a lot with this and I didn't. 801 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,080 So it's been really solid. So it's been a surprisingly good 802 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,040 longer range shoe. It does not have the speed range 803 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,400 that a lot of those super shoes too. 804 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,680 So there's more to talk about with this, but yeah, those have 805 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,200 been my 2 ish 3:00-ish I've really enjoyed for a lot. 806 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,560 Of times well, let's transition to the next category, which is 807 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,960 our workout shoe or performance trainer or lightweight trainer. 808 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,360 However you want to categorize this this would be a shoe that 809 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,640 you would want to use when you're not just going out for an 810 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,880 easy run, but you're going to be having some sort of effort built 811 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,040 into it, which obviously can look a lot of different ways. 812 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,000 So Andrew, I'm going to kick it to you first. 813 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,760 Give us your and a workout shoe so far of 2025 all. 814 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,760 Right. I'm so glad that this shoe was 815 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,480 released in 2025 because if it wasn't, I don't know what shoe I 816 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,400 would have chosen. So the topo cyclone 3 is hands 817 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,240 down my favorite workout too. I've I think I'm on my third 818 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,400 pair of cyclone twos and I got the cyclone three at the 819 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,880 beginning of the year. I've used Cyclone 2 for every 820 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,640 speed workout I've done where either I haven't been running in 821 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,200 spikes or I only needed to do a part of the workout in spikes. 822 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,360 The Cyclone 3 feels just the same as the two. 823 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,320 They just changed the upper a little bit like I didn't. 824 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,200 Oh, actually I did. There we go. 825 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,480 I do have Cyclone 2, so you can see just the difference in the 826 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,800 material of the upper and how they kind of ran the overlays. 827 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,320 Supposedly that's supposed to make the three more durable. 828 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,240 I think some people had issues with like punching holes in the 829 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,880 lateral part of the two. That never happened to me on any 830 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,680 of the pairs that I had. So I don't really notice a 831 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,360 difference between the two uppers. 832 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,600 But the Cyclone 2 slash Cyclone three, I love the five mil drop. 833 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200 I love the responsiveness of the paper foam. 834 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,840 I love that the four foot is flexible. 835 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,800 I mean it's not super flexible, but it's flexible enough that I 836 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,600 can run fast in it. Like I've run, you know, 837 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,600 multiple like 3132 second two hundreds in it and it's great. 838 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,960 I've used it on a lot of indoor track workouts, so it's been 839 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,280 stable enough for those tight turns. 840 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,000 It's just it's such a great shoe. 841 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,840 I hope they never change it because I will be possibly as 842 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,640 sad as I am about the beacon, which is saying a lot. 843 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,560 Wow, it is saying a lot. I will say it. 844 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,720 To you, yes. Tofo. 845 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,520 Tofo. Do not change the cyclone. 846 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,400 Yes, or gain something rocking back and forth. 847 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,160 Although let's be real, if there's a company that is less 848 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,240 likely to make major overhauls to a shoe, it's topo because 849 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:59,720 they're not as influenced by a trend as they are. 850 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,120 They're kind of like grounding philosophy on footwear. 851 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,560 Whether it's exactly right or not, I don't think that matters, 852 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,840 but I think it does say something about like, I think 853 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,160 you'll see more incremental changes and kind of sticking to 854 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,920 what they think is is useful based on their philosophy. 855 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,160 So. Yes. 856 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,520 David, what were you going to say? 857 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,360 Oh yeah, no, I was going to say so. 858 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,160 The Cyclone is not on my list, but I'll explain why in a little 859 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:31,760 bit. But it might be the most track 860 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,320 responsive lightweight trainer out there, or so shall I say 861 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,120 track friendly. You can just RIP in that shoe 862 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,280 and you have just enough cushion on it to do pretty much anything 863 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,280 you want from middle distances upwards of 10K type work. 864 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,720 So if you are someone looking for that kind of just workout 865 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,160 shoe on the track like it is not bad at all and it turns really 866 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,560 well like how Andrea was saying like you can even hit indoor in 867 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,000 it. Not that I have, but like you 868 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,720 totally could. So yeah, I guess should I just 869 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,360 transition into my workout pick at this point? 870 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,560 Yeah. So I'm not running as 871 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,120 aggressively as I was in the last year. 872 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,720 And so for me, the Cyclone really, really shined on the 873 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,600 track. I could do some Rd. workouts in 874 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,680 it, but for the most part, like the longer stuff, I would kind 875 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,000 of choose something that had a little bit more stacker rocker 876 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,120 profile on it. And I'm just, I'm not running as 877 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,120 aggressive right now. So for me, the Cyclone, it just 878 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,480 isn't on my list for that reason right now. 879 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160 So the shoes I have have a little bit more structure to it. 880 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,200 My honorable mention, I'll go real quick through it. 881 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,920 We have the Skechers Arrow Spark, so this is probably going 882 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,480 to be a surprise for some people, but partially because of 883 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,680 the value. Its retail is at 1:30, which I 884 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,520 think isn't bad for what it is. It's in the 9 oz. 885 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,680 It has the hyperburst ice. It's a little bit lower profile 886 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,720 than the burst. So this is like right around 887 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,000 36mm of stack in the heel, 30 in the four foot. 888 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,880 You have the H plate in there, but there's still a little bit 889 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,000 of flexibility. So it's like the H plate almost 890 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,840 serves more as like a little bit of a guidance underneath than it 891 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,280 does as a stiffening agent, I think as far as like a 892 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,040 responsive toe off. But it's got a little bit of 893 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,720 structure on there for those that need it. 894 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,880 Dare I say it's like a structured razor like from the 895 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,120 past, and that's kind of what it feels reminiscent of and it 896 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,720 feels like like maybe I would choose other shoes to do the 897 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,880 workouts and if I had, you know, an absolutely the entire lineup 898 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,400 of shoes. But like this is something that 899 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,120 I feel like you could actually get your money's worth out of 900 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000 and you can head daily workouts in the Goodyear attractions 901 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,600 pretty good too. I feel like you can you could 902 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,640 hit the track in this. This is probably a little heavy 903 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,760 as far as going fast fast, but for like normal workouts, not 904 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,880 bad, but I think Nate is going to really like this. 905 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,960 But I think my workout shoe is going to be the rebel 5 right 906 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,520 now and so the oh, did I OK, we're good New Balance rebel 5 S 907 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,480 lightweight. I think they they thicken the 908 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,040 outsole some gave it a little bit more rigidity. 909 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,560 It worked for me. It feels a little bit more 910 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,360 stable than previous versions. And yeah, I'm actually really 911 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,680 happy with the performance of this. 912 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,840 So it's been one of those shoes that I feel like I can kind of 913 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,400 take for a good variety of stimuli. 914 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,000 Perfect. Well, I'm going to go next then 915 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,400 because I am going to be talking about the same shoe that you 916 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,960 just did in the Rebel 5. And so yeah, the Rebel 5 is my 917 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,200 pick, but even more so that so David says he's like not really 918 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,920 running and not really running hard. 919 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,200 I'm putting that in air quotes because he's still like crushing 920 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,000 these like workouts and like still going on these long runs 921 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,760 and all this kind of stuff. I'm actually not doing like 922 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,000 major workouts, like for real, for real. 923 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,400 So this honestly this shoe I actually almost picked for my 924 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,800 daily trainer shoe. I love the compliance of the 925 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,000 shoe. The fit is really nice for me 926 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,520 and I just feel like it transitions great back to front 927 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,000 the entire way. Any sort of beveling is working 928 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,280 really well for me. So I've just really loved this 929 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,920 shoe across the board, but because of how lightweight it 930 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,480 is, it was one that I can just pick up the pace very easily. 931 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,560 I did do like 2 workouts in this shoe where I was doing even like 932 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:22,000 1K kind of tempo type efforts and it comes in at like 7 1/2 I 933 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,360 think Oz for for me and that's just a great weight and I like 934 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,520 that it's flexible in the forefoot. 935 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,640 It just does a lot of lot of things. 936 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640 So it cruises really easy, but then can double into some of 937 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,520 those workouts. So for where I'm at in my 938 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,640 training, where I'm not like really hammering workouts, it's 939 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,720 great because I can do a lot of easy stuff, but it has a very 940 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,720 high ceiling for how fast I can push in this shoe. 941 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,760 I don't know if I'd really want to bring it to the track much 942 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,720 because of how compliant this is. 943 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,840 It might be a little bit wobbly. I have not even tested on the 944 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080 track in that way, but it locks down well. 945 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,480 So you might be OK. But I really like it for kind of 946 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,400 Rd. workouts that I've brought it on so far. 947 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,680 So that's my pick. Matt, you want to go next? 948 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,440 Sure, so this would be being annoyed. 949 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,760 I was going to pick the Saucony Speed 5 but then I ripped the 950 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,840 outsole off and I was kind of annoyed. 951 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,280 I will. I will still give it an 952 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,200 honorable mention. It is softer and a little bit 953 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,280 less aggressive in the previous versions of people. 954 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,200 Some people might not like that. I did like it until the outsole 955 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,280 came off just because there's a little bit more medial flair on 956 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,840 the shoe. So it made it just a bit more 957 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,640 stable for someone like me and they took out the lateral aspect 958 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,880 of the plate. So it actually has a little bit 959 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,840 more lateral bias. So that was great for me. 960 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,360 It was doing well for workouts, just the durability wasn't quite 961 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,000 where it was. So the one that takes that space 962 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,320 is again going to be the SC Elite version 5 for a couple 963 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,960 reasons and I would have never picked the previous version for 964 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,280 this, But this shoe can move. It is not the fastest super shoe 965 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,840 and I think that's why I like it because the Fuel cell PBOT just 966 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,680 doesn't feel on par with a lot of other shoes. 967 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,440 But the forefoot is so much more stiff that when I'm trying to do 968 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,240 faster stuff and my wife and I are focusing on like 5K10K type 969 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,720 efforts right now. Like when I can really get this, 970 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,640 like when I push really hard through the forefoot, it will 971 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,680 move. The traction is also really, 972 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,520 really good and it's also great on the track of as well. 973 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,520 And this is my left shoe and the outsole is still intact at like 974 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,880 35 something miles. So it's a it's that's a big 975 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,800 deal. I know somebody's going to be 976 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,400 like 35 miles. I'm like, I tear shoes apart, 977 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,920 especially when they have a missing full outsole, which 978 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,440 again, my rant with the Vimera was going to be why do people 979 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,320 not like full length outsoles anymore? 980 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,520 I get that they say wait but please for the love of shoes 981 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,720 surviving can we have some more full length outsoles please? 982 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,400 But yeah, the surprise I I would not take this for risk end of 1. 983 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,720 He's like, make it lighter but keep that rubber. 984 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,200 Just at least a little bit like I'll bring up another shoe in 985 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,720 just a second that I think is going to last longer despite 986 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,360 being like half the weight of this. 987 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,440 But yeah, like I'm enjoying it just because it the four foot is 988 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,360 so stiff. It works for faster efforts. 989 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,480 I do think a lot of people are not going to work well with this 990 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,040 shoe. I think a lot of people that 991 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,840 really enjoyed the previous version for being more friendly, 992 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,400 for being a little not flexible, but just having a better like a 993 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,120 smoother rocker. It's not going to work as well. 994 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,680 This is much more aggressive but still the foam. 995 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,880 I just don't feel like it's still in like top tier super 996 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,640 shoes, but it's still good for getting some workouts in. 997 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,160 Can I make a suggestion for shoe manufacturers so that you stop 998 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,840 complaining about this? They can just send. 999 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,480 I have a list of complaints, this is just one of them. 1000 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,240 But they can send you what they can call a matte patch, which 1001 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,000 would just be an extra little piece of rubber outsole to yeah. 1002 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,040 Yeah, that's fair. I I'm investing a lot of money 1003 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,360 in rubber cement right now to keep like gluing the stuff back 1004 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,320 on going. Can I somehow get this to 1005 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,840 survive any longer? I think that was my favorite 1006 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,400 interaction, Matt saying I have a long list of complaints, 1007 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,720 Andre. Yeah, we know. 1008 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,320 You know, on that note, let's go in. 1009 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,760 Let's go to our final category. We're going to be talking about 1010 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,400 for this first half top racing shoe for the beginning of 2025. 1011 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,800 I am rescinding myself from giving one because I literally 1012 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:28,600 have not ran in any super shoes yet this year more than 1/4 1013 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,120 mile. So I am not going to be giving 1014 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,560 my input. So I'm going to kick it over to 1015 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,040 you, Matt 1st and then we'll go David and then close things up 1016 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,360 with Andrea. Well, on the note, it'd be 1017 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,840 getting upset about things and having to cool off a little bit. 1018 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,520 This, this shoe was not any different. 1019 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,640 I loved the previous version. It was my favorite racing shoe 1020 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,560 of 2024 and I was very excited. And then as soon as I got it, 1021 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,640 became very nervous about it. But as I've gotten some miles on 1022 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,560 it, I've gone OK, it's still good. 1023 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,280 It's way crazier. And we're moving down a path 1024 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,880 where these shoes are becoming extremely aggressive and they're 1025 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,960 really only good for faster efforts. 1026 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,520 And that shoe for me is the A6 Meta Speed Edge Tokyo. 1027 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,480 It is much like it's like over half an ounce lighter than the 1028 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,920 previous version. The stack height is not taller 1029 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,280 despite feeling a lot taller. And once I finally, yeah, I know 1030 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,480 we, Dave and I, had this conversation. 1031 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,000 Is it taller? I'm like, if it was any taller, 1032 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,480 it wouldn't be World Athletic. Sleep on that. 1033 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,760 It'd be like no, I know I get that it just felt taller. 1034 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:36,560 I know that I get it, but it, it just the flight foam leap is 1035 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,200 pretty nuts when you're when you're starting to pick pull up 1036 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,400 the pace and I've really enjoyed that. 1037 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,720 I will say what's different from the prior version? 1038 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,840 The prior version I could do warm up and cool down in it and 1039 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,760 not feel that bad. This has become a more specific 1040 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,200 tool. It is faster, it is way 1041 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,720 bouncier, it's way lighter, but it loses the comfort factor that 1042 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,680 I think was present in the previous version. 1043 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,240 But that's that's kind of the cost of getting the weight down. 1044 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:06,440 Like when I when I'm putting this shoe on, when I am like 1045 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,600 going out the the door upper kind of feels like loose. 1046 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,440 It feels like I'm sliding a little bit. 1047 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,800 The Smith sole feels awkward. And then as soon as the pace 1048 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,280 turns up a little bit, that all goes away and it just 1049 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,800 disappears. I can pick up the pace so 1050 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,600 smoothly and effortlessly. It's really great. 1051 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,720 So this, I've got some races coming up. 1052 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:26,840 This is going to be the shoe that I am wearing for those 1053 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,600 regardless of the distance. And even though I'm, I'm really 1054 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,560 curious to see how the stability goes, it's not meant to be a 1055 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,360 stable shoe. David, I think you mentioned the 1056 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,640 heel feels. It's just a little bit more 1057 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,880 stable without being too bad with kind of the wider base. 1058 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,760 But I'm going to see if I can test it maybe for 1/2 and we'll 1059 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,840 find out what happens. But I've been turning over 1060 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,640 pretty quick in this shoe and really enjoying it. 1061 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,600 David, what you got? Yeah, so I'm going to agree and 1062 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,280 disagree at the same time. So probably no surprises here. 1063 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,640 For me, Meta speed edge Tokyo is what I'm holding up. 1064 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,200 I think I'm just an edge boy. When we look at the differences 1065 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,560 between the edge and the sky, I just, I've never really agreed 1066 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,240 with the sky outside of the very, very first version. 1067 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,280 When we look at the ASICS Meta Speed Edge Tokyo, like, yeah, 1068 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,840 they took a shoe that was already really light, really 1069 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,920 responsive, had a good outsole traction, like everything about 1070 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,120 it was very lively and I felt like it just lined up with my 1071 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,920 mechanics and they just made it better. 1072 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,600 And I was like, holy crap, like how did like that was already 1073 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,200 really good? I disagree. 1074 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,160 I think you can warm up and cool down in this. 1075 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,960 I I feel like now that I've had more and more miles on it, maybe 1076 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,440 you just got to break it in a little bit more. 1077 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,760 But the turbo plus like is mostly in the heel with the 1078 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,280 flight foam leap in the forefoot. 1079 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,280 And you can kind of see the plate line there where it rides 1080 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,840 real high in the heel. So you kind of have a firmer 1081 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,120 base there. And then you just drop into that 1082 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:57,040 just really soft and incredibly bouncy flight foam leap and this 1083 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,080 you can RIP. I mean, jeez, I mean, you could 1084 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,120 run a road mile on this thing. Yeah, Yeah, you could run a road 1085 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,120 mile in this. And I do think you could run a 1086 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,240 marathon in this. Like, if I was going to be 1087 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,840 running a marathon, I think this is one of the more stable super 1088 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,000 shoes, at least for me right now, especially in the rear foot 1089 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,280 that are out there. So it's like if I was already 1090 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,920 thinking about doing it and I never got to run a marathon in 1091 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,840 the Edge. Paris. 1092 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,920 I'm trying to remember all these city names. 1093 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,880 Like which city was it in the in the edge Paris. 1094 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,960 I never got to. I did run 1/2 in it and it was 1095 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,840 nice. But I don't see any reason why 1096 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,160 you can't take this 26.2 and I don't see any reason why you 1097 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,280 can't take it 1. So across the board this thing 1098 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,960 has blown me away. I mean, I yeah, the sky was a 1099 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400 little bit unstable for me. I thought for a second when we 1100 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,320 when I first got them that maybe my I would change into Team Sky 1101 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,680 but no edge. Edge All right, Andrea. 1102 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,680 Edge boy for life. My choice will probably be no 1103 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,160 surprise to anybody, it is the Nike Streak Fly Two. 1104 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,600 This year I've only been racing the 100 and the mile, so like my 1105 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,920 racing shoes are definitely different than they have been in 1106 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,720 the past on the track. I've been wearing the Victory 1107 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,720 too, but I got to race this one in two Rd. miles a few weeks ago 1108 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,720 and it is literally a track spike designed for the road. 1109 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:27,960 It's 26 rear foot, 22 four foot, I believe, 4mm drop, but you can 1110 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,280 see the way the midsole's shaped. 1111 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,200 It's really designed to put you on your forefoot, which I really 1112 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,760 like. It's if you asked me how should 1113 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,720 a road Mile racer be designed, it would be this shoe. 1114 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:47,840 It's super light, 4.2 No 4.6 oz I think, which is crazy. 1115 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,040 That's lighter than a lot of spikes out there. 1116 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,840 It. I think it's 4.6 for men's. 1117 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,280 Yeah, yeah. So mine probably is like 4 flat 1118 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,400 it it has zoom X but not so much zoom X that you feel like you 1119 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,040 can't actually load it. It's got a full length carbon 1120 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,080 plate. It's just perfectly tuned for 1121 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,080 fast Rd. racing. I would probably take it up to 1122 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,040 5K10K, although I'm not sure it would be my first choice now 1123 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,600 that I've tested the Puma faster Nitrolite 3. 1124 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,960 That's a pretty awesome issue, but for Rd. 1125 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,320 Miles, for me there's literally nothing better than the shoe and 1126 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,600 I'm so excited that Nike really made a tremendous update to 1127 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,440 version one, which was a nice first start but was definitely 1128 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,840 not a Rd. racer. Would you say if you were going 1129 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,080 distance to the fast, *3 would be the one that would take the 1130 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:42,600 cake for? You. 1131 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,840 Oh, yeah. I'm going to do a 5K when I go 1132 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,080 home to visit my family in August, and Faster's coming home 1133 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,960 with me, yeah. Well, there's our line UPS. 1134 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,120 That is what we've got for the first half of 2025 from all of 1135 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,400 those categories, our daily trainer, our long run shoe, that 1136 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,080 performance trainer and then racing shoe. 1137 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,520 And we'd love to hear what y'all have to think too. 1138 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,200 So if you have ones that you think should have made the list 1139 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,200 or ones you want to say that these worked for you, feel free 1140 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,040 to drop those in the comments on YouTube and we'd love to see it. 1141 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,680 And the other thing that we wanted to do before we wrap 1142 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,600 things up is just briefly talk about which company is kind of 1143 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,040 exciting us the most. So this isn't a question of 1144 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,240 which is the company that we think is doing the best job. 1145 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,880 We're which one is the one that's kind of just like 1146 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,400 intriguing us, has us excited for what's coming from them. 1147 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,520 Does anybody want to go first? Sure, I have two. 1148 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,520 Of course you do. I like what it's coming down the 1149 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,880 line with Brooks. I feel like they're starting to 1150 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,760 update that footwear line a little bit. 1151 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,880 And I think we're starting to see some of these things come to 1152 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640 fruition. And the shoes are getting a lot 1153 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,680 more lively while still being kind of stable and having a 1154 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,160 traditional ride. Like they're getting more and 1155 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,960 more fun. So I think it'd be really 1156 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,280 exciting to try any of those performance shoes coming down 1157 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,400 the line. Being whether it's, I don't know 1158 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,360 the Hyperion elite 4PB or the Hyperion Elite 5 hopefully, but 1159 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,040 the other one would be a New Balance. 1160 01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,320 I feel like they're just cleaning up the fit of things a 1161 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,200 little bit and for me, like fuel cells never been my favorite 1162 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,000 midsole. It's always been a little soft 1163 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,160 and unstable for me. Like kind of if I said about the 1164 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,160 glyphs for Max earlier, you know, like I kind of had 1165 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,960 feelings like that and almost a lot of the New Balance shoes and 1166 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,880 I feel like they always had fresh foam dialed in pretty 1167 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,840 well. But I feel like feel so was 1168 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,840 missing the mark for me. But in the last couple of 1169 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,360 things, including the SC Elite 5, like it feels good. 1170 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,840 It feels nice and it doesn't feel unstable. 1171 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,240 And I think some of it too is also upper fit. 1172 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,400 Like they're just the shoes are just getting more integrated, 1173 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,880 just better. So excited about those two 1174 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,920 companies. I'll go next then because the 1175 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,680 one that was on my mind, even though I have not necessarily 1176 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,320 gotten along with their most recent releases, but it's also 1177 01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,800 Brooks. I think that we're seeing 1178 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,080 changes for the first time in a while. 1179 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,920 And I feel like the last time we started to see changes like this 1180 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,080 in a company, it was with ASICS from like early, maybe early 1181 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,720 2020 ish when they kind of like really revamped stuff. 1182 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,640 I think we're seeing something similar with Brooks right now, 1183 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,120 which I think is pretty exciting. 1184 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,720 The other company that I would say is Basics, I've seen some 1185 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,200 like just online, random leaks of things coming down the line 1186 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,160 because I've always gotten along with the Nova Blast and because 1187 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,680 I like the Super Blast, they've got some other kind of like 1188 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,360 trainers in that category coming. 1189 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,760 So I'm naturally excited because I have had success with the 1190 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,760 shoes that they've got going on. So those are the 2 for me. 1191 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,800 I would agree that ASICS is the brand for me. 1192 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:46,520 One because I haven't tested the Edge, the Sky or the Ray yet. 1193 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:52,160 The last ASIC super shoe I tested was the Sky Plus a few 1194 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,160 years ago, which didn't fit me very well. 1195 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,320 Yeah, so it's been a long time. So it's kind of like I'm missing 1196 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,160 out on what I'm missing out on, but the ray looks particularly 1197 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,520 interesting to me. The ray is a little crazy, The 1198 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,520 ray is a little crazy, but. I want it. 1199 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,880 Yes. You can ask the Internet on my 1200 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,360 behalf. People will start saying prayers 1201 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,000 for my ankle soon. But we, we should do it. 1202 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,960 Shot it. Please, please go watch the 1203 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,280 video with David running in the ray and go read the comments 1204 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,240 section. It is. 1205 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,480 It's one of the most. Fun experiences I've ever out on 1206 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,280 my feet. Though I will say that I don't 1207 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,240 know if it'll be the racing shoe for me, but well, 5K and down it 1208 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,400 probably could be. I just don't know if I could 1209 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,240 take it longer than 5K. Yeah, but similar. 1210 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,720 So I think the Edge in the Sky are very interesting shoes just 1211 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,480 in how lightweight they are, how many top runners are running 1212 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,000 them. So I would like to test them. 1213 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,920 Hopefully ASICS, but also same thing what Nathan said. 1214 01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,480 They've just got some very interesting trainers and super 1215 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,320 trainers rumored to be coming out and they're, it looks like 1216 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,080 they're innovating quite a bit. So I'm excited to get my hands 1217 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,200 on some of those. Matt, why don't you run us out 1218 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,200 here, Sweet. So I would say ASICS is kind of 1219 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,560 my top dog right now in terms of just, I know what's there, I 1220 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,600 know where they're going. It's like, OK, this is great. 1221 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,600 That's not as intriguing because I think after years of being 1222 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,040 consistently like, like your ASICS to all of a sudden like, 1223 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,040 like, oh, like you're like, they just, they keep hitting stuff 1224 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,400 out of the park on a very high level and been very pressed. 1225 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,640 Again, I'm not going to try to pronounce the name of the shoe 1226 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,640 again since they've been made fun of enough, but that shoe is 1227 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,960 obviously done very, very well as well as other things. 1228 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,680 I'm not going to know. I will. 1229 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,560 There are two that I'm very intrigued with. 1230 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,400 I will agree that Brooks is one that I'm very intrigued with 1231 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,400 because I feel like they have made a very big performance push 1232 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,800 not very recently. So I'm really curious to see 1233 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,640 where they continue to go, especially like we did not test 1234 01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:05,400 the, the, the Hyperion elite 4PB or the Hyperion Elite 4. 1235 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,440 So we I don't know anything about that. 1236 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,040 But my initial experiences with the DNA gold and then watching 1237 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,000 what they've done recently with a lot of their trainers, even 1238 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,800 the ghost blew me away going wow. 1239 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,560 It. The shoe is actually interesting 1240 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,440 after being like the classic neutral boring shoe for years 1241 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,000 has been like a whoa, like what? What's going on? 1242 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,480 So I'm very Chris see where they go. 1243 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,000 I also need to give a shout out to Mizuno because I feel like 1244 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,240 they're the wild. I was going to say, Nate 1245 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,760 earlier, that the Neo series was the last time we saw a big shift 1246 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,040 in a company, not a six and 2020. 1247 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,200 I feel like Mizuno used to be the company that was consistent 1248 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,520 and there would never be any change. 1249 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,840 And now I just don't even know what's coming. 1250 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,080 I'm just like I it's like it's exciting to see what comes to 1251 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,000 them. It doesn't necessarily they 1252 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,720 don't always agree with my feet, but I'm just I'm just so curious 1253 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,520 to see what that team is doing. I want to give them credit for 1254 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,160 trying some crazy stuff and now being the unpredictable, not in 1255 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,080 a bad way, but the like that what's going to come next kind 1256 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,680 of thing. So I would say Brooks, Mizuno 1257 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,480 are the intriguing ASICS is the solid really like high 1258 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,800 performing Like wow, you guys are doing, people are doing some 1259 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,120 cool stuff. Obviously a lot of other 1260 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,400 companies are doing really good as well, but that's those ones 1261 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,760 that come to mind. Perfect. 1262 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,240 Well, everybody, thank you for joining us for this conversation 1263 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,280 and it's always fun to meet with all of you at one time. 1264 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,760 So thanks to Andrea, Matt and David for creating space that we 1265 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,280 can do this and just get together. 1266 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,440 So if you again have thoughts about your favorite shoes or you 1267 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,000 have questions for us, you can reach out to us at 1268 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,320 doctorsofrunning@gmail.com or you can comment below if you're 1269 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,320 on YouTube and we'll talk to you later.