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Hello everybody. 

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Welcome to the doctors running 
podcast. 

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Where we Group of doctors, 
Physical Therapy discuss, the 

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Art and Science of running. 
And the stuff that we're putting

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on our feet today at the round 
table. 

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We have dr. 
Matthew Klein, dr. 

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David Solace and myself, Nathan 
Brown. 

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We are excited to be with you 
all. 

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Today, we're having a throwback 
episode today. 

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We are going to be reviewing two
shoes that we've been testing 

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that people have been asking us 
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they are both Marathon. 
Racing shoes designed for 

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maximizing your performance and 
so we'll see how things how 

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things shake out as we About 
these two pretty different shoes

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in terms of how they feel. 
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well about what it means to 
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And why you might want to choose
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your goals, and the type of 
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And that's kind of what will 
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So, for our subjective for the 
day, if you were going to go out

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and run a half marathon or run a
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to pick the shoe that you felt 
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allow you to perform at your 
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What would that shoe be? 
So let us know in the comments 

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below. 
Whoa, if you're on YouTube or 

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you can find us on YouTube, 
subscribe. 

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And then, you know, do that 
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If you're on podcast, I do think
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there. 
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subjective for the day, but 
we're going to jump right in. 

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And we're going to start 
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This is a shoe that has just 
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It is available to the public 
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It's been a number of years 
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out and they are You know, these
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different from each other, the 
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rocket X2. 
So, David, David did a review of

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this and comparing it. 
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between this in the vapor fly. 
He also had some errors in 

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there, which he went in and 
corrected, come on DJ, but tell 

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us a little bit about the specs 
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Get it right this time. 
Come on. 

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I'm just teasing. 
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know kind of specs and what's 
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And what's, what makes up the 
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I will say for the record I'm 
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making those kinds of mistakes 
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base. 
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like I know the Embargo days. 
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like in here all the time, and I
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So, oh man, that sucks. 
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everything. 
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in the forefoot, not 40, but 
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know, layer P --ba base midsole 
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softer above And it's meant to 
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I mean there's I made the video 
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comparison, but I feel like it 
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of this podcast, we used to do 
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shoes a baby between this and 
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comparison between that not for 
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wanted to a 6-minute speed Edge 
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for foot feeling but it has a 
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transition and some of that also
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where I like it's kind of like 
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where the vapor fly felt was 
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heel for me personally and maybe
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Like however I was Landing. 
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that ground a little hard and 
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more if I pull it up to the 
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the Nurse. 
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rounded pretty good over at the 
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foot, it's very gradual. 
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and so it feels pretty sharp 
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the vaporfi is much further 
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X2. 
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very rhythmic and it does make. 
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pace, I will say, like when 
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running a pace that you're 
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this shoe feels. 
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has you don't really get that as
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It definitely falls into Rhythm 
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feel like that transitions a 
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me personally than the vapor fly
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down a little bit wider base 
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little bit heavier but it's not 
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that 7 oz Club when you hit 
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And men's size-nine. 
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say. 
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this year has changed their kind
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The one that they do all of 
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kind of sending out to people 
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companies do men's size-nine. 
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their tech sheet kind of sizes 
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So, if you're seen reviews about
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tech sheet from hoko is listing,
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everything based on On men's 
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which is what is pretty much 
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the companies. 
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mind, but let's talk a little 
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kind of a synthetic mesh upper 
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Why don't you start us off like 
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of the other construction of the
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Yeah. 
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throughout with just appropriate
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Substructure within the 
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the forefoot. 
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those people that are sensitive 
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It was totally fine fit, it 
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room when I first put it on. 
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short? 
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slap topic, this shoot takes a 
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I don't know if you two have had
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first had, it felt a little 
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Over least like stiffer than it 
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Everything's kind of breaking. 
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enough room in the in the 
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It seems lockdown. 
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with heel slippage but yeah 
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But then breaks into feel just, 
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Just true to size. 
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is nice but right not overly 
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It's right kind of right in the 
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Full disclaimer for me, we kind 
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throw this shoe into the review.
We had a different plan for the 

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podcast and I hadn't ran it yet.
So I like I'm a little bit 

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sweaty right now and that's 
because I just ran my first two 

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miles in this shoe just now. 
So please take my, my thoughts 

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as an initial impression and not
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I did take it through, you know,
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miles. 
I kind of just kind of zoned up 

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and down. 
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the initial lockdown. 
I felt like, I could cinch it 

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down. 
Nothing was moving from the 

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heel. 
This upper, the synthetic mesh 

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is very akin to like the Puma 
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It's that kind of like plasticy 
type material that you can see 

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through. 
It's a darker, you know, this 

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colorway is a little bit darker 
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socks through it. 
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Upper and I actually feel I 
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way. 
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You totally can. 

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I just felt like, I don't know. 
I actually felt Matt that I had 

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a good amount of room in the toe
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I didn't feel like I was getting
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much as I do in some other whole
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I think, part of that is because
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pronounced as they do in their 
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models. 
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amount of volume. 
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in the tongue where you can 
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I didn't have any irritation. 
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So in terms of fit I was really 
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that's kind of where I was at. 
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Tongue is Gustav it which is 
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sometimes not done. 
But this was done well and I 

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think that adds to the the good 
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which was great. 
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You have any additional thoughts
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Yeah. 
I think compared to a lot of the

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other shoes on the market, this 
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and as its Tiny bit more width. 
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when you put the shoe on it 
almost fits kind of like a 

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trainer. 
If that makes sense like us 

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performance trainer or like I 
don't know like it doesn't feel 

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like a tracks bike or racing 
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go and lay sit down before you 
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everything. 
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is relatively, I mean, for a 
racing shoe, it's pretty wide 

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and forgiving but in the four 
foot, the heel is still a little

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bit snug. 
It holds And has that little 

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suede backing back here. 
It kind of creates a little bit 

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of a hold as well to prevent 
some of that heel slippage but I

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actually really liked the fit of
this shoe. 

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It was one of those shoes that 
you put on you, lace it down it 

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and the tongue has just enough 
protection as well. 

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I didn't feel like it was biting
at all either so it was just 

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like you put it on. 
It's like it just feels 

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comfortable, you know, before 
outside of ride geometry 

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performance. 
All that, but it's just a nice 

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fitting upper, it's very thin. 
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translucent mesh. 
It's It's very plasticy. 

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Kind of like the vapor we've of 
vaporfi next percent one. 

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That's kind of what it reminds 
me of our Puma deviate and I 

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truly very similar uppers but 
you know I think you guys hit it

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like that definitely bring. 
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how it fit on this first, little
take for me. 

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Let's start talking. 
You, David, you mentioned a few 

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things about kind of the ride 
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where you'd use this but Matt 
we'll start with you then talk a

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little bit about. 
What's the foam feel like 

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underneath? 
This is the first time. 

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Is actually used a p-bass foam 
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the market. 
How would you compare this foam 

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How would you describe it? 

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That kind of thing. 
So I have to say it has changed.

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When I first put it on I was 
like okay I can in the heel a 

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specialist like I know this is a
peebo foam I get it. 

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It was pretty firm overall 
especially up in the forefoot 

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and it felt almost like the 
thing that made me think of 

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original immediately was the 
original audio spro, where it 

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just kind of felt like that 
bulbous forefoot. 

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You had to Get over. 
So it's really easy to get up on

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your toes, but landing further 
back. 

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That's where I got to bounce, 
but it felt like I was like a - 

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drop shoe almost that has now 
gone away. 

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Mostly it does still feel like a
very aggressive ride but as the 

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phone is broken and there's a 
good amount More Bounce, it's 

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on, it's a firmer bounce, it's 
not a mushy, you know, super 

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soft thing, like a RC or SC 
Elite from New Balance. 

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It's more of a firm, Snappy 
bounce underfoot. 

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That's continue to break in 
really, really nicely but it 

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just takes some time like I To a
temple run this morning and it 

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felt much better and honestly 
feel a lot better running way 

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faster. 
I think somebody mentioned this 

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second ago that running easy. 
In this shoe, it's kind of. 

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It's like, you can do it, it 
feels a little awkward. 

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But then, when you pick the pace
up, it's like, oh, this is what 

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this is designed for. 
So it has a couple different 

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personalities and I'm going to 
encourage people that this seat 

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needs to be used the right way. 
This is definitely a tool, but 

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yeah, foam feel it's definitely 
P --ba. 

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It's a little bit firmer but 
you're still going to get that 

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classic PBJ. 
Ava bounce. 

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It's just got a little bit 
different flavor. 

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Yeah. 
What's your take David same or 

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different? 
I agree. 

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I mean, it's definitely a 
different flavor and for those 

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that have followed this podcast 
for a while. 

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I think you'll know that one of 
the shoes that I talked about 

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every once in awhile that no one
on the planet talks for you too 

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much work of is the except 60x 
3.0. 

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No, not the taroko though. 
I did like the taroko but unless

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the x sub 1 6 2 x 3. 
Like that's also a paper-based 

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shoe and it does have a bounce 
but for whatever reason, it just

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has a little bit more give to it
and it doesn't feel quite as 

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poppy as like, say, Zoom eggs. 
And that's what I get from the 

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rocket X2 and that's not a bad 
thing. 

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It's still bouncy, it's still a 
People based shoe but it just 

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like this shoot from a 
transition standpoint and how 

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you come off the forefoot. 
It definitely responds more when

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you push off of it and you try 
to run fast and it's a shoe, 

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I've had no issues running on 
the track with as well. 

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And I think part of that is also
the stability and how well 

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they've done the platform itself
and how grounded you actually 

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feel for how much phone there 
is. 

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But yeah, it's kind of funny 
from our ride standpoint, like 

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the foam that I could probably 
compare it closes to and I don't

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know what they call that phone 
because we don't run in that 

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many Next Step Shoes. 
But is I'm looking at it right 

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now extra base. 
Is that what it is? 

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I don't know, it's in the very 
bottom. 

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I have to go run over and grab 
it, but yeah. 

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It is except it's right. 
What? 

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What do they call it? 
Yeah, sweet. 

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Okay, so that's probably the 
closest foam that I have felt 

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perception-wise. 
The three, the three people 

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geometry model predicts a like, 
oh, cool. 

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Yeah, I know what you're talking
about. 

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Yeah, and it's a fun fun. 
It's a fun foam. 

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Yeah, it like it's not a bad 
phone by any means. 

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It's a very good phone. 
It's just it's a little bit 

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different. 
Like it has a little bit more 

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give to it. 
It feels a little flattered, but

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at the same time, It almost lets
you use the geometry a little 

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bit more if that makes sense. 
Speaking of geometry, I think 

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that's where my, you know, my 
first take is coming from is 

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like, this is a really stiff 
plate. 

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I think that everybody designs 
their play differently. 

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This one's really stiff and you 
have a really wide forefoot. 

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And in, I know you said the, the
The Meta speed Edge Plus was 

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kind of what was a king for you.
I never ran in that shoe but for

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me this was really close to what
the sky metal speed Sky felt 

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like, for me. 
Because I mean they both 

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actually do have the 5 
millimeter drop. 

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I felt like when I was running 
in both of these shoes that I 

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can press the heel, just like 
you did Matt. 

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And then I had to climb up onto 
this bulbous forefoot and then 

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it propulsors you forward. 
So, I think that the this shoe 

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feels really forward moving, but
it comes from the geometry more 

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so than in the stiffness of the 
plate than it does from the foam

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itself. 
Because like you said, I think 

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there is a good amount of Bounce
in this foam and kind of that 

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Poppy feeling. 
But really, once you get onto 

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the shoe, that's when you feel 
it, that's why for me, again, on

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my short run was on those slow 
pace has, I felt really clunky 

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because I had to just climb and 
just, it felt really clunky for 

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me and Transitions. 
And that could again be my 

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mechanics and how I run, but 
once I actually took it down to 

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like my, it took me going to 
like my 5K Pace kind of below my

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10K Pace. 
That's when it actually felt 

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good to run in this first 
impression and just trying to 

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figure out how the New works. 
And I think that's because I 

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get, I would get off the heal 
quicker and really load the shoe

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in the forefoot where it's 
supposed to really propose you 

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forward. 
So I think that's the, excuse 

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me, that stiffness of the plate 
plays a big role and just giving

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you that platform to really 
bounce off of and it feels I 

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think the forefoot feels really 
cushioned. 

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I think that's a big part of 
this shoe as well. 

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I would, I would comment based 
on that we like, hey, it really 

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took until I got down to five 
case for any feel understand how

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this work. 
I would definitely agree where I

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didn't. 
Really weirdly enough you say 

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that I felt like this shoe 
worked really well as a Tempo 

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paste shoe like so that for me I
would definitely take this out 

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for, like 10K, maybe, half 
marathon anything longer than I 

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think they would be too 
aggressive for just my body, but

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it wasn't until I got into that 
Temple. 

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That was like, oh, this is what 
this is designed for. 

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It's like continuing to like 
you're moving, but you're not 

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sprinting. 
All out, you're moving, it's a 

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distant shoe. 
Gosh, I'd lost my train of 

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thought that that has its 
there's a certain way you got. 

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A hit it for it for you to feel.
Oh, this is what this is for. 

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I had some weirdly I had. 
So I had trouble with easier, 

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efforts in the shoe, and I had 
trouble with all out, Sprint's 

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or like, like changing pace is 
really quick. 

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So I did one of my favorite 
workouts is 100 100 off for, you

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know, a couple miles on a track 
and I had trouble changing Paces

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in this because like I was like,
I felt like, I'm like, I'm going

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through this. 
Where do I land? 

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How do I? 
And then as soon as I got in a 

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rhythm it was fine. 
And that's why those the kind of

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Anger faster efforts were good 
but I don't think I would 

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personally go marathon in this 
for me. 

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Interesting. 
Well, what do you guys think in 

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terms of like diving into the 
stability category of things? 

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Where does this shoe kind of 
line up for you with other shoes

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in the same category with these 
Marathon Racing shoes? 

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Matt, what do you think in terms
of you said in terms of 

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stability? 
Yeah, I really liked what they 

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did. 
I would almost give this 

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borderline stable. 
Neutral. 

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I got to I got to test a little 
bit more bass and see how the 

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phone breaks in sidewalls. 
Are really, really good. 

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One of my favorite things is 
not, they did not narrow. 

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The mid-foot mid foot is wider. 
It's got and we talked about 

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this, I'm not sure if there's 
evidence on guidance Lane stuff,

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but just having this here it's 
not aggressive Edge. 

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Like this is a nice stable shoe.
Is it to me a little aggressive 

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for a longer effort? 
Yeah but I actually think they 

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did a really good job where it's
not too biased in. 

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Either direction, I'm curious 
what you to think about that. 

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It was very centered in. 
Well done. 

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Instead of like forcefully 
centered. 

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I didn't really even seem to 
notice of, actually, she's 

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great. 
David, what do you think? 

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Yeah, well to go back on the 
other thing. 

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I actually to go back to the 
entirely other point. 

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I felt like this is a shoe that 
I could possibly Take 5 K2 

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marathon with no issue. 
Really? 

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Like this is a shoe that like I 
mean, I ran 20 seconds per mile 

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slower than my marathon pace 
today for those float miles and 

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it was fine. 
And it felt rhythmic, it felt 

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good. 
I mean, like, yes, I am I 

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running up-tempo, sure, but 
like, it's, it didn't feel bad. 

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Just did nine miles on off Mi 
the on Mi. 

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I think we averaged about 505, 
which if everything goes really 

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well, is going to be slightly 
faster than half marathon pace. 

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Probably like 50, 75 10 for half
marathon. 

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Marathon pace. 
Being about 5:30 the off Mi were

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bit about 550. 
So just the float where you're 

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like, A Slowdown. 
Like, yes, I know, like we're 

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still running somewhat quick but
like sorry, but I feel like I 

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could fall that's like as fast 
as my fastest mile. 

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And that's what makes me smile. 
I love that. 

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I just love the range of 
Runners. 

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You know, we all have our 
different stuff that's like fast

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and slow for us, but sorry. 
Keep going. 

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I didn't mean to cut you off. 
But yeah, but even those 550 

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miles, like, they didn't feel 
bad, I didn't feel like it was 

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clunky. 
I didn't feel like it was 

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fighting me. 
I felt like I could still fall 

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into Rhythm just fine, whether 
it was uphill downhill. 

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Will this work out today? 
Had Rolling Hills throughout the

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entire thing and everything felt
fine from a pay standpoint. 

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I do agree, though, like the 
easy easy Paces, like warming up

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cooling down those things. 
It doesn't feel quite as 

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comfortable. 
It probably feels a little bit 

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more comfortable than some of 
the other shoes, but it still 

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isn't great. 
This is a shoe that wants to 

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turn over and wants to run fast,
but I just wanted to get that 

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out there about the other point.
But with the I do think I did a 

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good job. 
I mean, this upper doesn't have 

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that much stretch to it. 
I think the reinforcement is 

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where it needs to be. 
The lockdowns. 

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Good. 
I feel like there's not that 

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much, you'll slippage, the 
sidewalls are going really well 

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for a super shoot. 
Like this is arguably the best 

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sidewall of any super shoe that 
I've put on. 

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Maybe the scl eat might be a 
close second or tie, you know, 

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like very very good execution 
there and everything feels very 

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grounded. 
There's a good amount of outsole

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traction, it's a wide base. 
This is a deep midline Groove, 

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like I feel I feel good and 
that's a shoe that I've been 

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able to take to the track as 
well. 

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And I think that's a true test 
is like, when you're cornering 

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at 4:20 Pace, how does that 
like, can the shoe actually take

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that and it, and it can. 
And so it's one of those shoes. 

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One of the few ones that I feel 
like, oh, I could actually run 

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anything I want in this. 
And so that's, that's a very 

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high positive for this model 
specifically. 

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So Nathan, I'm going to pull 
this back to you and go. 

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What do you think about it? 
And then for the group would You

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give this a stable neutral, 
rating. 

437
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Yeah, for me again, I should 
just stop promising. 

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Everyone knows at this point. 
I've only ran two miles in the 

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shoe, but I think side to side 
it, did it felt good. 

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Like you said, man, I think the 
width of the platform's really 

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nice. 
It doesn't have a lot of side 

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walls, but the ones that exist 
in the he'll just give that 

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little bit of extra structure 
and are nice. 

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It's not overly soft of a foam 
so it doesn't feel like you're 

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falling. 
I actually, in the run, I just 

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did before this, I wore this 
shoe and then I wore the scl eat

447
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,700
and then I The Vapor fly. 
So I would I rotated through 

448
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:46,400
them just to see. 
And in comparison to the vapor 

449
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,400
fly in terms of stability, it 
was crazy. 

450
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,100
How much more stable the heel 
and mid-foot felt in this shoe 

451
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,900
than in the vapor fly which I do
find in the vapor fly. 

452
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:57,700
It's not on too unstable for me 
but I could definitely notice a 

453
00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:01,300
difference in terms of just the 
the movement of my foot 

454
00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:03,900
underneath. 
So I think it definitely has 

455
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:08,000
more structure. 
I think the one thing that 

456
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,100
stability, we often talk side to
side, I do. 

457
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,100
I think there's something to say
about stability, forward and 

458
00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:15,400
backwards from a trainer 
perspective. 

459
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400
I know like the Glide ride was 
one shoe that I feel like you 

460
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,300
have to have good control of 
forward motion to be able to 

461
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,500
train well in the Glide ride. 
I think that there's something 

462
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,600
similar with this shoe for me. 
And I would put the hundred 

463
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,900
speed sky in the same category 
where you have to be able to 

464
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:35,600
control kind of that climb out 
and that propulsion forward to 

465
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,000
be able to stay stable forward 
and back. 

466
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,900
So that you know, because as 
much as your tip post helps with

467
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:44,300
With the movement of your foot 
side to side, it's also helping 

468
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:48,400
with plantar flexion of the foot
and controlling the forward 

469
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,100
movement of your tibia as it 
moves into dorsiflexion. 

470
00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:52,900
So that's what keeps me from 
saying. 

471
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:55,800
Stable neutral for this shoe. 
I think, is that forward, 

472
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,900
backward? 
Kind of stability requirement if

473
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,000
that makes. 
So what I'm hearing is and I, 

474
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,300
this is kind of where I'm going 
with this shoe or I think it 

475
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,200
again as we always say, it 
depends I think for someone like

476
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,500
David who's really getting at 
like, their the cases are really

477
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,300
fast. 
Think you're getting g gauge the

478
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:15,700
foam geometry and plate 
differently than someone like 

479
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:19,300
Nathan URI. 
Where again I can I can put I'm 

480
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,500
not as fast David I can push it 
to some of those pieces but not 

481
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,300
very long. 
So I think it's going to depend 

482
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,500
on who you are and how the shoe 
breaks into. 

483
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,800
So I think it could be if you're
the person that you got some 

484
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,200
good tuner over here moving 
quick, I think it's going to be 

485
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,100
for the rest of us that right 
for not moving fast enough. 

486
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,000
There's some comb components. 
You might have to fight to get 

487
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,200
over. 
I think the heels good, I It's 

488
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,100
just how you're loading that 
forefoot that made of, that's 

489
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:46,200
where that might change. 
Yeah. 

490
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,000
It's you think what? 
Kind of stability you need could

491
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,800
make it stable neutral. 
If you have no problem with the 

492
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,800
forward backward, stuff than I 
could maybe see it. 

493
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,100
What do you think, David? 
I think it does qualify a stable

494
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,100
neutral and my full honesty. 
I mean, I feel like they did a 

495
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:07,300
pretty darn good job across the 
board in like the only thing 

496
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:10,700
that you could take points off 
for is that it's a peep of foam.

497
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,400
Like it's a super soft compliant
bouncy foam like that's going to

498
00:24:14,408 --> 00:24:16,000
take points away regardless, 
right? 

499
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,800
Like yeah, but it is Supa never 
old. 

500
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,900
It's like, it's that snow. 
But how do you move around that?

501
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,900
And I and I agree with you. 
I would argue with you that 

502
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,800
they're Peebles a little bit 
firmer though. 

503
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,100
Right or how it is. 
Yeah, right. 

504
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:32,800
But wouldn't that put it closer 
to that stable neutral category,

505
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,900
B? 
Like like I feel like this is as

506
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:41,800
close as most shoes have come 
like the only other shoe I can 

507
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,800
think of that is in that realm 
is probably the meta speed Edge 

508
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:52,200
Plus I think that's one the 
Endorphin Ali is I don't think 

509
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,300
I'd go that far. 
I think the Endorphin Elites a 

510
00:24:54,308 --> 00:24:56,800
little bit even though the power
n HG is a little bit. 

511
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,800
Omer. 
It's still very neutral and then

512
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,400
you know that super sharp toe 
spring. 

513
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,300
I love that shoe. 
I mean around my marathon and I 

514
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:07,000
shoot, you know, like but I I 
think that's still neutral. 

515
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000
I think when Nate's talking 
about that really sharp toes, 

516
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,200
bring like you got to be able to
control your emotion in order to

517
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,400
run. 
Well in that shoe and I feel 

518
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,600
like you don't have to do that 
as much in the rocket X2. 

519
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,700
Like, I feel like I feel pretty 
stable underfoot. 

520
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,100
I wouldn't think about taking 
the Endorphin to leave on the 

521
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,200
track. 
I just wouldn't whereas this 

522
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,900
shoe like I would go and take it
on a track, like and I wouldn't 

523
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,100
think twice about it, and I 
think that's also part of it as 

524
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,800
a, how well, can I Corner? 
How quick can I run without 

525
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,100
having to worry about where my 
feet are? 

526
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:39,400
I think the other thing I think 
about was stable neutral is for 

527
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:43,800
is for the for four and a half. 
Five, our marathoner. 

528
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,600
Is this a shoe that gives you 
the kind of structure and 

529
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,300
support you want, right? 
And we can talk about that. 

530
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,700
Maybe that's worth a 
conversation right now but I 

531
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:54,200
think the stability needs there 
are different than like running 

532
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600
on a track because you know, 
doing track workout It's as a, 

533
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:01,400
you know three and a half, you 
know, our marathon even for me, 

534
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,300
the demand for those Corners is 
so much less than going at the 

535
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,300
pace that you're going. 
So I think that the stability 

536
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,300
needs are a little bit 
different. 

537
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,600
If you just need something that 
is keeping you centered and 

538
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,000
moving forward, you know, for 
four hours versus something that

539
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,600
keeps you. 
As you Corner as you are, you 

540
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,800
know, getting fast turnover. 
I don't disagree that. 

541
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,200
It's, I was just looking at my 
shoe wall and I'm like, I'm 

542
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,100
pretty sure Like I agree that 
this is probably the closest, 

543
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,200
maybe the most quote-unquote, 
stable, Super Shoe. 

544
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,900
There is, I think maybe Puma 
Puma deviate nitrile eat. 

545
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,400
Maybe is in that category just 
because of some of the lower 

546
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,500
feel to it and some of the 
ground feel maybe the Endorphin 

547
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,500
Pro 3 and oh, Matt, you had 
talked about you done like a 

548
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:54,000
stability racing shoe video but 
I don't know. 

549
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,700
I think it has all the 
components I think. 

550
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,100
Mainly this wide mid-foot just 
really helps. 

551
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:02,100
Yeah. 
I think the wider mid-foot the 

552
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,000
the which is not surprising for 
a hookah, The Fairly high side 

553
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,900
walls in the heel on the medial 
lateral side and then the put 

554
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,500
the foam being a little bit on 
the firmer and definitely helps.

555
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:14,300
But how that's going to feel 
like you sold over four to five 

556
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:19,100
hours versus somebody who runs 
it like David into 20-ish that 

557
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,700
that's probably going to be a 
little different. 

558
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,500
And I don't know the answer to 
that is a good question question

559
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:26,900
you have ever had. 
It's not just Pace, that'll make

560
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:28,900
it feel different. 
I think it's just how you hit 

561
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,200
the ground with a shoe like 
this. 

562
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,700
Like you know, how are you 
moving across the ground in 

563
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,300
terms of how long your foot is 
there? 

564
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,700
What part you hit on? 
How long you stay in each 

565
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,600
section, which is not easily 
measurable. 

566
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600
But I think I think you'll know 
when you put the shoe on, you'll

567
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,200
know if it's the right one for 
you, for me, I only two miles in

568
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,900
and I don't, I don't think so. 
So far for me, it just was one 

569
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,600
of Things that happened for me. 
I was just listening to how loud

570
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,100
different shoes were and I felt 
like I had to really work to 

571
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,000
figure this shoe out at each of 
those paces, and it was really 

572
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,100
loud when it hit the ground. 
So I don't know if I'm, that's 

573
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:05,300
why I got to get more miles on 
it. 

574
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,900
But anyway, any other thoughts 
on stability? 

575
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Again, I think they did a good 
job. 

576
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,700
It's good to see people. 
Finally listening about mid put 

577
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,300
with going hate. 
You can still have a Max tie 

578
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:24,200
kite, super shoe with and 
keeping the weight lighter, 

579
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,400
while still Whiting the 
mid-foot, you need that, it's 

580
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
basic physics, the taller. 
The platform is the platform 

581
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,500
does need to be wider or now 
you're creating instability. 

582
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,700
So you limit the number of 
people who might be able to use 

583
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:36,700
it as long as you as they might 
want. 

584
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:40,100
So this is just another good 
example of hey, companies. 

585
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,100
You You can do this, it can be 
done, you just got to mess with 

586
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:45,900
geometry and look at, you know, 
where you're taking cutouts 

587
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:47,600
from. 
But I think I did a good job, 

588
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,900
that's great. 
Yeah, it's a double on that. 

589
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:55,600
I mean I feel like the outsole 
is actually decently sticky. 

590
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,500
Well, yeah, and thick. 
I tell you in the pouring rain 

591
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,000
and it was fine. 
Well, I can't wait. 

592
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,600
Yeah, I don't know. 
It's like it's something you 

593
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,900
don't see on these shoes very 
often anymore. 

594
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,300
We're like this is a shoe that 
the traction and the outsole is 

595
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:12,600
something that you can depend 
on. 

596
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:16,300
And that's it felt like in the 
last couple of years. 

597
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:20,400
You had to sacrifice that for a 
racing shoe and it This feels 

598
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,400
like that, nice hybrid like it's
a racing shoe but it's also like

599
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800
it feels like a kind of be a 
little bit of a faster 

600
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:28,900
lightweight trainer as well. 
It's also fun. 

601
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:32,900
I think that Hoka has a shoe 
that actually feels it actually 

602
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:35,500
feels different you know feel 
special. 

603
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,100
It feels like a you know and 
they in terms of market share 

604
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,700
they're doing awesome, right? 
But it is fun for a company that

605
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,400
has a lot of resources to put 
something into production. 

606
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:46,300
That's got some backing behind 
it. 

607
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:49,300
I'm sure in terms of how they 
chose to develop the way they 

608
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:51,000
did. 
It and it I think it came out 

609
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,600
really well like I said, it's 
not it's not necessarily the 

610
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,700
right one for me I don't think 
I'm going to get more in it and 

611
00:29:55,700 --> 00:30:00,400
I'll contribute to the full 
review for sure but it does feel

612
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,000
really fun like I said like I 
said meta speed Sky didn't work 

613
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,800
for me either, it's a great 
shoe. 

614
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Not not the best one for me. 
But is there anything else that 

615
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,900
you all want to talk about with 
this shoe David? 

616
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,200
You talked about some 
comparisons, are there any other

617
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,200
comparisons that we want to make
either that? 

618
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,100
It's maybe it's the shoes. 
Least like or the shoe it's most

619
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:25,100
like your shoe. 
It's least like is this is the 

620
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,200
SC Elite which we're going to go
into next. 

621
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Yeah. 
That's that's pretty fair. 

622
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,400
I was going to say the RC Elite 
to but I mean they SC Elite 3 is

623
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,700
the continuation of the RC Elite
to. 

624
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:43,900
So I mean I I think I just want 
to go on the record and say I 

625
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,800
think like poke has kind of got 
a little bit of a bad rap over 

626
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,200
the last year's with the rocket.
Ask in comparison to the other 

627
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,400
shoes and I feel like the rocket
X2 does deserve a conversation 

628
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,500
point with these other shoes on 
the market. 

629
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,200
And I think it's I think it's a 
very valid racing shoe. 

630
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,900
Yes. 
And I think it's one that like 

631
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,100
if you saw that on the start 
line you're not going to like oh

632
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,900
wow this other shoe is out like 
why aren't you running in that 

633
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:11,100
shoot? 
Like it's definitely a super 

634
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,400
shoe in the category and I think
it's definitely comparable and I

635
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,900
think it would just depend on 
the person's biomechanics. 

636
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,100
The other show, I think it's not
very much like is Actually the 

637
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,800
Endorphin Pro 3 though. 
I think that's another one that 

638
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,100
I throw in there and you had 
said the stability thing and I 

639
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,700
was like I've never felt that 
stable and then go from Pro 3 

640
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,700
teams have it interesting. 
Like it's it's very high out of 

641
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:34,800
the power on PB. 
There's a lot of it, it feels 

642
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,300
soft. 
It's very wide. 

643
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,800
Yeah, exactly. 
Like it's not that it's like 

644
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800
bad. 
It just it feels very neutral to

645
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,900
me. 
Like it doesn't feel like I have

646
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:46,200
any additional support or 
guidance by any means. 

647
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,500
It just it's a good shoe. 
I have over 100 miles in that. 

648
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:56,100
Ooh, I mean probably closer to 
150 but with this shoe it's just

649
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,800
they did a lot of things. 
Well but there's just so much 

650
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,200
foam and there's a lot of 
compliance to it and there's a 

651
00:32:01,208 --> 00:32:04,800
lot of kind of movement and give
the upper lock down on that she 

652
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,100
saves it by far but like it it's
not very stable to me. 

653
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,700
Huh you know like and this is 
the opposite. 

654
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,900
I think on this end where like 
if I'm gonna have to flip a 

655
00:32:16,908 --> 00:32:19,500
u-turn on a course or take a 
really hard corner, I'm going to

656
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:23,800
This interesting easily, but if 
I'm running a 50k, I might 

657
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,900
actually take this, I don't 
know. 

658
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800
Like right? 
It's one of those things where I

659
00:32:27,808 --> 00:32:30,100
just depends on what your goal 
is and what you're wanting. 

660
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:35,500
But I will say bouncing off that
just a little bit, I think there

661
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,400
are it is at, it's definitely in
the conversation. 

662
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,500
It is, it is a super shoe. 
It's got all the true 

663
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,100
components. 
It's got all the stuff that 

664
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,300
we've talked about for you is 
going you to have this. 

665
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:49,200
This this this this I think it's
more comparable to shoes like 

666
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,200
The Nike Vapor fly and although 
it's different in the same 

667
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,600
category and or from Pro 3 Asics
meta speed Sky stuff like that 

668
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:01,300
but when you want to go up to 
that other level where the alpha

669
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:05,500
fly, the Rebellion Pro is the 
Endorphin Lee? 

670
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:08,000
I think that's difference. 
I think those three are under 

671
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,000
very different category from 
where the rocket X2 is, it's a 

672
00:33:13,008 --> 00:33:15,300
great shoe, but it's just, it's 
in a different. 

673
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,600
What do you think? 
Am I talking? 

674
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,500
I will do you mean category 
based? 

675
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:24,000
On like running economy benefit 
or or what sort of category are 

676
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,200
you creating? 
I think it's like, I think these

677
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000
new shoes like the alpha fly. 
Those ones are like almost like 

678
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200
they're not super the like Ultra
shoes, right there just kind of 

679
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,700
on this next level. 
In terms of Stack height, in 

680
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:39,200
terms of the geometries are 
really crazy and then they all 

681
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,800
fly. 
So I think and I could I might 

682
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,400
be able to argue maybe economy, 
but I don't know enough about 

683
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:50,000
the economy changes in this to 
sit on that - or maybe it's like

684
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,000
hey I would I might use these 
more for Marathon kind of effort

685
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,900
versus this is more. 
Like I think it's more that I 

686
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:00,200
think if you talked about design
I would like like this is a more

687
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
like you put it on your like 
this is a marathon to this issue

688
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,900
that I'm going to take 26.2 and 
I'm going to love it but I might

689
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,699
not love it as much as 13.1. 
I might not love it as much as 

690
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:12,300
six point two or three point. 
One for that matter. 

691
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:17,000
Like I think it's just a matter 
of the design and again this 

692
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,300
comes back down to the person's 
biomechanics but I think there's

693
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,500
some And shoes out there right 
now that are like, this is a 

694
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:26,100
marathon shoe. 
Like, this is designed for 26.2 

695
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:30,800
and like it's a top-shelf 
marathon option and like I don't

696
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,400
think I'm gonna make it for 
anything else, but for the 

697
00:34:32,408 --> 00:34:36,100
marathon, this is a great. 
Yeah I think I think that's more

698
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,400
what we're going down that path.
Better way of translating what 

699
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,199
I'm trying to say, but having 
difficulties or very much 

700
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,400
Marathon shoes, that's really 
what they're designed for. 

701
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,699
Whereas I think the rocket X2 
for me, personally, the shoe 

702
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,900
that I would probably use As for
something short of the marathon,

703
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,000
it's still a phenomenal distance
racing shoe, but it wouldn't be 

704
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,300
my first choice for Marathon 
just like The Vape. 

705
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,400
I know, people do Vapor Flies 
not my first choice for a 

706
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,800
marathon as well but I and I 
think for shorter distances. 

707
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,100
Yes. 
But there's just, I'm not 

708
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,900
categorizing those very well. 
So and I could, it's, I could 

709
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,300
buy your categories to as your 
categorizing them for yourself. 

710
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,900
You know, like as you put them 
into your own categories for 

711
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,600
where they would fit in terms of
your comfort level in each 

712
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,700
pacing. 
But I You know, dust and Joe 

713
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:24,400
Birds article on running economy
that the one right after the 

714
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200
alpha fly and Vapor fly was The 
Meta speed sky. 

715
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:29,700
That was like the closest one. 
So it was kind of in that 

716
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,900
category with those shoes. 
But I do think a big difference 

717
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,100
is that shaping. 
So like the Endorphin Elite has 

718
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:40,000
that really late, sharp toe 
spring, that's also true in The 

719
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Meta speed Sky. 
I think you kind of have that a 

720
00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:47,300
little bit here with the rocket 
experts, that more sharp toe 

721
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,400
spring at the end, versus some 
of them are Agilent's like the 

722
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,800
endorphins speed, no, Dorfman 
Pro 3, that's more gradual. 

723
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,600
You know, you have, you know, 
whatever this is the SE Elite 3,

724
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,900
that has more of that gradual, 
we're going to talk all about 

725
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,100
that shoe. 
So I think that for me, is a big

726
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:07,500
difference to is how sharp of a 
toast spring, is it? 

727
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,200
And I personally do so much 
better with those more smooth, 

728
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,800
gradual ones than those late 
late stage and Rockers which is 

729
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,300
opposite for other people. 
So well and it depends on the 

730
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,800
Sense. 
Yeah, I'm sure of that sharp toe

731
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,500
spring for the long stuff. 
I want to feel like I could just

732
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,700
fall into Rhythm. 
I can forget about what I'm 

733
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,900
doing and just like just kind of
fallen in each Next Step. 

734
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:35,300
But when I'm running fast and 
I'm really trying to run like a 

735
00:36:35,308 --> 00:36:38,900
5k 10K and potentially even a 
half, depending how hard we're 

736
00:36:38,908 --> 00:36:42,400
getting after this thing? 
Like I want to dig into the 

737
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,200
ground. 
I really want to push off of it 

738
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,400
and the tow spring can get in 
the way of that sometimes. 

739
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,000
Yeah. 
So I think it just Pens on the 

740
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,300
usage of the shoe, you know, and
how that works for us. 

741
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,000
Yeah, but yeah, I mean I love 
both. 

742
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,300
I love both designs and like so 
something like the Endorphin 

743
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,500
Elite, one of my favorite shoes 
ever. 

744
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,900
The to can we send 9. 
Also one of my favorite shoes 

745
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:06,700
ever and they're very different 
designs. 

746
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,800
And so yeah, cool. 
Well, let's transition to our 

747
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,400
next shoe that we're going to be
talking about. 

748
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,400
We're going to do another review
and then we're going to talk 

749
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,200
about what shoe that we would 
choose for our best effort and a

750
00:37:19,208 --> 00:37:20,800
half. 
Thunder Marathon right now. 

751
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,500
What would we choose? 
But the sheer going to talk 

752
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:28,700
about next is the New Balance, 
fuel-cell SC, Elite version 3. 

753
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,400
We just got pairs of these about
a week and a half ago, David's 

754
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,800
had one for a little bit longer 
and he already has his full 

755
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,300
reviewed on the website. 
They were just able to get us 

756
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,600
the rest of our team pairs. 
We've gotten some miles in and 

757
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,800
we already mentioned that this 
shoe is categorically different 

758
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,200
and feels so different, maybe 
not categorically, but feels so 

759
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,400
different than the rocket X2. 
So let's talk. 

760
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,200
Talk about that a little bit. 
Does somebody have specs for us 

761
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,600
on this shoe that we can just 
roll off for people? 

762
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,000
I do. 
So, men's size-nine, you balance

763
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000
using size. 9 is seven, point 
six ounces, for men's, I should 

764
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000
have had women's up. 
I'm sorry, the stack height is 

765
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,700
40. 
Mm, in the heel. 36. 

766
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,900
Mm in the forefoot for a 4 
millimeter drop, which it feels 

767
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:12,300
hotter than formula job, but I 
think we'll talk about that 

768
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,100
shortly. 
They've got their energy orc 

769
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,400
large plate with their split 
verily. 

770
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,700
Very similar to the SE trainer. 
Still using the fuel cell foam. 

771
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:30,600
Full-length new upper, totally 
new shoe, great. 

772
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,100
So, let's, let's just go into 
the first category. 

773
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,000
Let's talk about fit with this 
shoe. 

774
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,600
What'd you guys think of the 
fit? 

775
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,300
Tell us a little bit about what 
this upper is constructed like 

776
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:42,300
and how it worked for you so far
David, you want to start that. 

777
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:45,600
Yeah. 
I mean, this is one of those 

778
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,300
things where I felt like it 
fits. 

779
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:51,400
So so well in so many ways and 
then just totally missed the 

780
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,000
mark in some other way. 
Yeah. 

781
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,700
And it's just like one of those.
She's like, I just really, 

782
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:59,600
really wanted to love and it was
like there was a couple things 

783
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,400
in that, that I was like, I 
don't like this and when we're 

784
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,000
talking about the fit 
specifically. 

785
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,300
So we're looking at a very like,
sock, like knit upper, it's 

786
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,500
reinforced decently. 
Well, there's a little bit of 

787
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,600
stretch to it. 
It, but it's not like this thing

788
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,100
is flopping. 
All over the place. 

789
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:19,500
It actually holds its structure 
pretty well, if I pulled it up 

790
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,300
here. 
So for the listeners you can't 

791
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,200
see this but like it's a 
decently wide mid-foot for a 

792
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,600
racing shoe. 
It's a decently wide 4 foot for 

793
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,800
racing shoe volumes pretty 
accommodating and it's very 

794
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,800
sock. 
Like if a very stretchy tongue 

795
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,800
here where it's like an it and 
it's very embedded in the lacing

796
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,300
system so it's kind of like a 
one-piece type fit and 

797
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,000
everything holds itself together
pretty well. 

798
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,700
I mean There's a minimal heel 
counter. 

799
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,000
It's just like very, very 
shallow here and it holds the 

800
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,800
structure right here, but you 
can still like have a little bit

801
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,300
of sense. 
It's like, if you have 

802
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:53,900
sensitivity, it's probably going
to work. 

803
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,600
Most of the time and the fit 
around that area is pretty 

804
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200
solid. 
And so from a fit and comfort 

805
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,200
standpoint of the actual 
materials, it feels pretty darn 

806
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,900
good. 
Where I have my gripe with it is

807
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,900
that lacing system and I feel 
like that's something that we've

808
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:13,400
heard over and over again from 
other channels as well. 

809
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,400
And we're B down this tongue is 
as nice as it is. 

810
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,400
It's very, very thin and things 
bite into it and it deforms on 

811
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,200
itself pretty easily and so that
part doesn't hold its structure 

812
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,400
very well. 
And a specifically that last 

813
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,200
eyelet here on the lateral side,
seems to dig into my ankle when 

814
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,400
I'm making turns and things like
that and then I noticed as well.

815
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,800
Well, when I'm running Up Tempo,
and I'm not even up-tempo, just 

816
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,500
in general, if I'm running 
downhill, I noticed even these 

817
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:45,300
laces up front, I start feeling 
it digging to my foot. 

818
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:48,400
So it's like these laces are 
biting more often than they 

819
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,400
aren't. 
And that is a little bit of a 

820
00:40:51,408 --> 00:40:53,600
deal-breaker for me. 
If I'm going to pick it on race 

821
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,400
day, but other than that, I 
really, really love this shoe. 

822
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,700
So it's like it's a small. 
Yeah, thing that like, if I'm 

823
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:01,800
willing to look the other way, I
guess I'm gonna do it. 

824
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,700
Just got asked that question. 
I'm gonna jump in and piggyback 

825
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,900
off of it. 
Is you talked about sock-like 

826
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,400
upper? 
I think it, I mean, it feels so 

827
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,700
comfortable. 
It's a really comfortable 

828
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,800
material in terms of saying, 
it's so different than the 

829
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:19,300
rocket X2. 
It Jen, the uppers couldn't be 

830
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:21,000
more different. 
You have this really plastic 

831
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,400
synthetic really like lockdown 
mid foot and heel. 

832
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,800
Whereas, in this one you get 
this sock like booty 

833
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,300
construction soft very 
comfortable oriented, upper, 

834
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,600
which was still being somewhat 
secure. 

835
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,600
I had the exact same. 
Biting experience from the 

836
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,600
laces. 
And I think a big part of it is 

837
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,000
because they're using this kind 
of stitched lacing system where 

838
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,800
the laces don't have eyelets. 
But they go through this string,

839
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,100
that has periodic stitching, 
that holds the string in place 

840
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,700
on the inside of the shoe. 
You have to have these in a few.

841
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,800
I don't know if y'all can see it
in the video. 

842
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,800
But it does have these big 
stitching bulbous areas 

843
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,000
throughout the tongue area 
because it has to be there. 

844
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,900
So that's what I'm feeling. 
Elaine is that kind of like 

845
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:10,900
pushing down of those stitched 
areas into my foot and it's not 

846
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:13,400
terrible. 
It's not like a deal-breaker for

847
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,400
me in terms of taking it out for
longer runs but it is present. 

848
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,300
And so that's kind of just a 
bummer right feel like that 

849
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,500
could just be avoided, probably 
pretty easily. 

850
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,200
I do feel to in terms of lock 
down, it locks down pretty well 

851
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,700
if I'm not really picking up the
pace but once I'm really putting

852
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:34,700
effort down, I can't really lay 
sit tight enough because of how 

853
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:39,300
thin the NG is and the type of 
lacing system, I couldn't get it

854
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,300
snug enough without irritating, 
the top of my foot. 

855
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,100
So I do get some heel slippage 
when I'm putting in harder 

856
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,500
effort. 
So the upper is this mix 

857
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,300
between, like, if I'm going out 
on, just like a smooth run, 

858
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:54,300
whether at like moderate Paces 
or easy long, run over feels 

859
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:57,300
great. 
If it's really pushing the pace 

860
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,600
and I have to try to lock it 
down, that's where I start to 

861
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,800
have, kind of more biting from 
that from that stitching in the 

862
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,600
lacing system, and I get some 
healing Slippage now. 

863
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,200
What about you? 
Yeah, I would agree with both of

864
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,900
you on that. 
I would say this is the uppers 

865
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,000
comfortable. 
I have worn this on an easy run,

866
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,400
which I can't do that for a lot 
of Super Shoes, but this was 

867
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,800
fine right out of the box. 
I wore this as a casual shoe all

868
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,800
day long and had no problems. 
It was great students didn't say

869
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,700
anything I'm offended. 
Well, yeah, yeah, they should 

870
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:33,000
know by now go, what's he 
wearing on his feet is it, but 

871
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,300
they don't. 
So the upper is really wide in 

872
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,500
the volume is fairly high for 
super cheap. 

873
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,700
I think if you have wide feet 
and you've been struggling and 

874
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,300
finding a super shoe that 
accommodates that this is 

875
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,400
definitely one that I would 
consider. 

876
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,700
I was looking at this earlier. 
This does not come in Wise. 

877
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:53,900
I'm kind of surprised that New 
Balance didn't do that but I 

878
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:56,100
guess I'm not surprised just 
because there is still enough 

879
00:43:56,100 --> 00:44:00,500
volume the challenge with that 
is I had the same experience as 

880
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:01,900
Nathan. 
I think David said this is. 

881
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:06,700
Well, we're going easy Pace or 
up to Full Pace like marathon 

882
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:07,800
pace. 
This feels great. 

883
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,700
The second you try to take it 
any faster this there is just 

884
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:14,500
not enough structure and 
security there to keep that 

885
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:16,000
comfortably there. 
I'm going to take it for a track

886
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,300
workout tomorrow just because I 
want to rip my feet. 

887
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,900
No just kidding but I just want 
to see what happens because when

888
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,200
I've tried to do that in stride 
stuff like that it just it 

889
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,900
doesn't have the right lockdown,
but if you're looking this the 

890
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,300
upper the mid sole matches it 
but the upper is definitely like

891
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,800
hey this is for a long efforts, 
right? 

892
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,800
Along would be great a up 
Temple. 

893
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,300
Run, marathon pace. 
Trying to be great. 

894
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,300
But I think anything beyond 
that, there's not the security 

895
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,300
to be able to handle that, but 
it's wide really comfortable, 

896
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,700
just it's going to be 
comfortable for a different 

897
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,700
purpose and that was the heel 
cup. 

898
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,800
I know this one has more of a 
heel counter was that 

899
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,800
comfortable for you. 
I know you're the one who's so 

900
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:55,500
that's something people got to 
be wary of it. 

901
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,800
Did not bother me because what I
have learned over time is it? 

902
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:02,200
As long as this thing is rounded
and kind of, goes back a little 

903
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,100
bit, it doesn't tend to bother 
my heel when they're kind of 

904
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:07,100
more. 
Flat and stiff, then they 

905
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,500
bother. 
But I just realized that last 

906
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,300
week of my why is it? 
These things are bobbing. 

907
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:14,700
So for me, it didn't bother me. 
I think, for others that are 

908
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:18,000
really sensitive, it's not the 
stiffest thing out there, but 

909
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,600
I'd still be just a teeny bit 
cautious. 

910
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,500
There's some flexibility, so 
would be too worried, but just 

911
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,000
know, it's not, let's not the 
rocket X where there's no 

912
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,700
rocket, extinguishers, no heel 
counter. 

913
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:32,800
There's a counter back there but
I just it doesn't the the 

914
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,000
counter here. 
I don't think does enough to add

915
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,300
any of these additional 
security, to be honest, it just 

916
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:41,400
adds some structure to the rear 
foot Yeah, cool. 

917
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,800
David, you got something? 
Yeah, I will say I've taken it 

918
00:45:44,808 --> 00:45:46,500
to the track and I did just 
fine. 

919
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,000
I mean, I've run pretty fast in 
this shoe with no issues and I 

920
00:45:51,008 --> 00:45:53,100
think a large part of that, is 
the geometry. 

921
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:54,800
I mean, the toe spring isn't 
that sharp? 

922
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,300
So it's like one of those things
where it lets you load the shoe 

923
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,000
in a way, you want to load the 
shoe and it doesn't force you to

924
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,900
fall into a certain Rhythm and 
shoes that come to mind for me 

925
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,900
are shoes that are similar like 
it's a Kumi sin where it's a 

926
00:46:09,908 --> 00:46:12,900
little Flattered. 
I mean, even the scl eat, like 

927
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:15,800
there's some flexibility to that
carbon plate. 

928
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,700
Like it's stiff. 
It's rigid. 

929
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,100
But like, you can load that 
thing and do what you want with 

930
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,100
it. 
And it's one of those shoes that

931
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:25,900
like, I feel like I could run 
pretty fast in it. 

932
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,800
Without that much issue, I 
actually felt the opposite going

933
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,900
the other way. 
Like I was like, it doesn't feel

934
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:37,000
bad at like a marathon type 
Pace, but it just I don't know, 

935
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,100
it just it's a weird shoe and I 
said this, In my video, you 

936
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,100
know, for the YouTube channel 
where it's like, it's a 

937
00:46:44,108 --> 00:46:46,800
jack-of-all-trades, I wrote that
in the written review as well, 

938
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,500
where it can do everything 
pretty well, but I don't know if

939
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:53,400
I would pick it as my Top Choice
in any specific category, but if

940
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,300
you're looking for a shoe that 
can do it, everything, this is 

941
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:59,100
one of them from a 
responsiveness and ride stand. 

942
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,500
Well, I was going to say we 
let's kind of dive fully into 

943
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:05,900
that ride category. 
So I'll kind of Kick this one 

944
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:09,900
off and I think I actually have 
pretty much full miles on this. 

945
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,700
You, but it is so soft and 
bouncy. 

946
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,200
It's got like a big soft bounce.
When I, for me, when I, when I 

947
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,200
run an it, not a propulsive 
bounce, but a cushioned bounce, 

948
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,800
if that makes sense. 
So it's got a, it's got a 

949
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000
different sort of feel to it 
again. 

950
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Then something like the rocket 
X2 that we just talked about 

951
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,500
where I feel like you sink into 
it and you kind of roll forward 

952
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:36,100
and then you bounce off of it, 
but it's not throwing you 

953
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:39,300
forward, but it's just more 
rhythmic and smooth from heel to

954
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:43,400
four foot. 
And way more gradual and I find 

955
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,500
that I can take this thing down 
below. 10 minute per mile Pace. 

956
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,900
I did it this week and I felt 
great in it. 

957
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,200
I was like, this is awesome. 
I also brought it up to, you 

958
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,200
know, my half marathon pace, 
which is hopefully, I haven't 

959
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,500
released a half-marathon in a 
while but hopefully, you know, 

960
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,700
sub 7 Minute per mile pace and 
felt really good there. 

961
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:05,900
So I felt like it. 
It can do all of those things 

962
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:08,100
which is really nice for 
workouts to. 

963
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,400
But in terms of the Right again,
I feel like fuel cell has always

964
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,600
been soft, this continues to be 
soft, but the geometry doesn't 

965
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,900
feel as aggressive. 
It feels more smooth and and 

966
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:23,700
kind of just consistent from 
heel to four foot you can just 

967
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:26,600
roll through unlike being super 
loud in this, you on the 

968
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,600
treadmill, this one is I'm so 
quiet and I actually prefer the 

969
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,900
ride of this shoe then I do to 
the rocket X2 for myself and I 

970
00:48:34,908 --> 00:48:38,200
just I feel like I can get into 
Rhythm so much easier and I'm 

971
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,600
not fighting the shoot always I 
feel like I'm I'm fighting the 

972
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,800
rocket X2 a little bit. 
So the geometry and, you know, 

973
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,600
the, the amount of softness and 
how I transition felt really 

974
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,000
good. 
Now, what do you think? 

975
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:57,300
I would definitely agree where 
it's super soft and feels really

976
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,600
like. 
Yeah, it's not like relaxed 

977
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,400
bounce. 
This is probably the most. 

978
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,500
I don't want this to come off 
the wrong way. 

979
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,900
It's the most, it's the least 
aggressive Super Shoe in a good 

980
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:11,400
way where yes, you can. 
Take it at some training paces 

981
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,600
and it's not going to bite you 
or something for me in the 

982
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,900
rocket X2. 
Like it's not a shoe meant to 

983
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,500
run easy. 
It doesn't feel it kind of feels

984
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,700
weird. 
It feels like I'm fighting it. 

985
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:23,500
As you said this one, it kind of
just adapts to what you do and I

986
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,400
think David were you mentioned? 
Yes, just it you can. 

987
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:30,300
It's easier to be in a little 
bit of control with the shoe 

988
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:32,900
regards to the right where I can
push a little faster. 

989
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,700
It doesn't quite go as fast as 
well as I might want. 

990
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,800
But yeah, it's just it's super 
soft, very comfortable. 

991
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,700
Very Very comfortable with a 
variety of Paces. 

992
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,900
So I think that 
jack-of-all-trades good but it's

993
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:46,900
kind of the mat with this is 
going to come off. 

994
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:50,900
Really mean but the what is it? 
The master of water and Lester 

995
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,900
one or master of none kind of 
thing. 

996
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:55,400
But that's really not true 
though. 

997
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,200
I think because For Me Ride wise
being less aggressive, I think 

998
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,000
this is a great option for the 
new Runner, looking for a super 

999
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,500
shoe because I it's it just 
feels like a very, very well 

1000
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,700
cushioned change of its lighter,
very soft that you can still 

1001
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:11,000
move. 
Which is great. 

1002
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,200
It's definitely a super shoe 
though. 

1003
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Because you can go like when you
start moving with you like okay 

1004
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,800
this can go but maybe not is not
all out. 

1005
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,300
So, to speak. 
Before David Goes to, I I also 

1006
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,300
want to just jump back in and 
talk about drop. 

1007
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,900
I know it's this is a format 
Rod. 

1008
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:31,100
Yeah but it's like you said, 
Matt for me this feels so much 

1009
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,300
higher. 
Like this feels more like for me

1010
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,200
a six to eight millimeter drop 
shoe where I'm just kind of 

1011
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,500
falling down the platform the 
whole way and even though this 

1012
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:43,500
has Technically the SEO Elite 
has less of a drop by one 

1013
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,400
millimeter. 
Then the rocket X2, the rocket 

1014
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,700
X2 feels way lower to me than I 
feel like I have to get up on my

1015
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:51,800
toes. 
A lot more in this in the X2 

1016
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,700
than I do in the SC Ellie and I 
just I feel like it's I don't 

1017
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,500
know and I think it's because of
that more early stage rocker 

1018
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:01,200
that you just start falling down
that rocker platform a little 

1019
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
bit earlier than having to get 
up onto it in some of these 

1020
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,600
other shoes. 
But that's just how my 

1021
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:11,300
experience on the shoe was. 
Yeah, that's where That's where 

1022
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:14,100
I disagree. 
I feel like it feels lower for 

1023
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,400
that reason because you 
transition a little bit quicker 

1024
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,500
and there's so much cushioning 
in the forefoot. 

1025
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:22,400
Like, it feels like I'm higher 
up in the forefoot like a 

1026
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,200
genuinely feels like, oh, this 
is a higher stack height in the 

1027
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,100
forefoot and it is, it's at 36, 
right? 

1028
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:33,200
So like, I felt like I had more 
for for cushioning like, is it 

1029
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,200
beveled? 
Well yes. 

1030
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,800
Does it transition? 
Well yes. 

1031
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,900
But that doesn't make it feel 
higher. 

1032
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,900
Drop to me. 
Like if you What I go off of is 

1033
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,700
that mid foot forward. 
How does that feel upfront? 

1034
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,900
You know, like, for me, it does 
feel like it's a low Drop Super 

1035
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,300
Shoe. 
It's 4. 

1036
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:51,700
Mm, and it feels like it to me. 
I think this is really 

1037
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:53,000
important. 
And we've talked about this 

1038
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,400
before where you have to be 
careful with that static drop 

1039
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,500
measurement because it's going 
to vary depending on how you 

1040
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:02,000
load the shoe where you're 
loading it. 

1041
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,300
How quickly you're going through
it? 

1042
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,900
I the same David. 
I understand why you, why you 

1043
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:09,000
had that experience, I think 
when I've pushed a little bit 

1044
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,500
I've gotten out a little bit. 
Or, but Nathan, I've had the 

1045
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:13,700
same experience where you were. 
It does not feel like a formula 

1046
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,600
to job shoe, whereas the rocket 
X2 feel and I will, I don't want

1047
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,900
to say like, I don't, I don't 
say four millimeter drop in the 

1048
00:52:20,908 --> 00:52:22,800
way of like, oh, my calves are 
working. 

1049
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,900
It feels like it's a low thing. 
Like I'm climbing out of this. 

1050
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,500
Like, it feels like a 4. 
Mm, in the sense that there's 

1051
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:31,900
good for foot cushioning, and 
there's a lot more foam up front

1052
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:34,100
there. 
It's not, it's not that I'm 

1053
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:37,000
working harder or that my calves
are working. 

1054
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,900
You know what I mean? 
Like, it feels As very rhythmic,

1055
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:43,300
the transitions are great. 
I mean I actually really like 

1056
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:48,000
this shoe but it feels like it 
feels pretty accurate. 

1057
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,800
As far as where those stack 
Heights are for me where I'm 

1058
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,600
landing and how I'm 
transitioning. 

1059
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,100
But as far as like, oh and 
Theory before mm, drop shoe is 

1060
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,500
going to load my calves a little
more, it doesn't feel that way, 

1061
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,500
you know her and and if we're 
going off of how we feel that 

1062
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:05,000
way, then I guess it feels like 
an eight or nine millimeter 

1063
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,400
drop. 
But that's that's not how I 

1064
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,800
perceive it, you know relative? 
Yeah. 

1065
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,000
Yeah, it's all relative. 
It's like Alpha fly. 

1066
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,400
One was a 4 millimeter drop and 
it didn't feel like it was 

1067
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,800
destroying my calves. 
It definitely felt like so mean 

1068
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,000
Cool. 
So, that's the wonderful thing 

1069
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,700
about human differences. 
So scared, right? 

1070
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,400
Let's talk a little bit about 
stability. 

1071
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,600
So, you know, we had just talked
about the X2 potentially one of 

1072
00:53:31,608 --> 00:53:35,500
the more stable, if not the 
most, you know, stable platform 

1073
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,200
in terms of contact and foam 
compound and all that. 

1074
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:40,400
Where do we put this shoe? 
How do you guys feel about 

1075
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,200
stability with this shoe? 
Now what do you think? 

1076
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:47,000
No, David go first because I 
have been struggling with this 

1077
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,600
since I got it. 
Not in a bad way but it's going.

1078
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,000
What? 
What does this mean? 

1079
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,700
So David go first, please. 
I mean it comes back down to 

1080
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,200
that I argument, right? 
Like you asked earlier if the 

1081
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:03,300
rocket X2 is stable neutral and 
I think the SEL III does a lot 

1082
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:07,800
of really good things I do. 
But fuel cell is also really 

1083
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,500
soft and compliance. 
So it's I think they did a great

1084
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:15,500
job of stabilizing it, it just 
doesn't run that stable like it,

1085
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,200
but it's not, I don't mean that 
in a bad way. 

1086
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,500
It's just it's hard to stabilize
fuel cell like it's just Really 

1087
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:23,100
soft compliant. 
So. 

1088
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:27,100
But I think they did do some 
things really well. 

1089
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:29,600
Like, I feel like that deep 
Groove does make me feel 

1090
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,400
decently centered. 
I feel like the outsole, 

1091
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,800
tractions pretty good. 
I feel like the upper lock down 

1092
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,700
a solid. 
I feel like the transitions from

1093
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,500
the heel through the forefoot or
good. 

1094
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,600
I feel like the base is solid. 
It's why'd, you know, like I 

1095
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,000
felt for how high up I was and 
for how soft fuel cell is. 

1096
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,100
I felt like I was decently 
grounded and like that was one 

1097
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:50,800
of those things. 
Like I was saying earlier, I 

1098
00:54:50,808 --> 00:54:54,200
could Take the shoot of the 
truck and are CLE to. 

1099
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,500
I couldn't my ankles were sore, 
I did not. 

1100
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,700
I felt clownish. 
I did not feel good on the track

1101
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:02,300
running in the RC Elite to I 
will say that out right? 

1102
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:05,900
I just did not do well in that 
shoe and it was one of those 

1103
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:09,100
shoes were it was like oh this 
is a great like long-run shoe. 

1104
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:12,400
I can kind of do some up-tempo 
work in it but I just I wasn't 

1105
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,700
going to grab it for race day. 
I wasn't going to grab it for 

1106
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:19,000
the track like very select days 
but like for the scl 83 I feel 

1107
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,000
like that versatility is so 
much. 

1108
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,000
Better. 
And I feel like I feel like it's

1109
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,500
definitely a giant step in the 
right direction for this model. 

1110
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:32,500
Specifically and I feel like the
stability pretty darn good for 

1111
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:36,200
what they are working with, 
because fuel cell is so soft. 

1112
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,200
It is so compliant. 
I wouldn't say it's stable 

1113
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,700
neutral. 
This is certainly stable. 

1114
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,300
I mean I'm not stable. 
Sorry my apologies it was 

1115
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,500
certainly neutral. 
It is certainly neutral. 

1116
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,500
Please do not sound bite that 
you bounce like we're taking it 

1117
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:49,700
is. 
Yeah. 

1118
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,200
Like it's just one of those 
Those things like they what they

1119
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,800
could do. 
Well, they did well where they 

1120
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,900
could control. 
They could control, they did a 

1121
00:55:55,908 --> 00:55:58,000
control. 
But like this at the end of the 

1122
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,500
day is still in neutral shoe. 
It's still a super shoe is still

1123
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:06,200
a very compliant foam and yeah, 
I think for what they could do, 

1124
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,300
they did well. 
So I totally agree. 

1125
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,100
I agree with you and I'll just 
add one thing like, well, a 

1126
00:56:11,108 --> 00:56:13,700
couple things this. 
The mid-foot is more narrow to. 

1127
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:16,400
So the compliant foam is 
definitely what it was in my 

1128
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,200
mind about. 
That's just what you're working 

1129
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,800
with. 
You're going to have more wobble

1130
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,100
and you're going to need you. 
Beast, you know, structured in 

1131
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,500
yourself and stable as you 
transition forward on something 

1132
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:28,400
that's a little bit softer and 
more compliant, then it is a 

1133
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,300
more narrow mid-foot. 
It does come in and taper down 

1134
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,100
into this. 
This section here. 

1135
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:36,800
The thing that I think helps 
with it, not feeling like I 

1136
00:56:36,808 --> 00:56:39,300
don't think this feels unstable.
I think it just feels you know, 

1137
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:41,500
like a neutral shoe. 
It doesn't feel like an unstable

1138
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:45,100
shoe and I think part of it is 
because of how decoupled. 

1139
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,800
So some guidance lines I think 
don't do anything. 

1140
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,200
They just are a little Groove 
that are so shallow that don't 

1141
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,400
do anything. 
Something like this is very 

1142
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,800
wide. 
So this pillar of foam acts very

1143
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,900
independently of this pillar of 
foam and when you load it they 

1144
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:00,900
have the potential to splay out 
words. 

1145
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,600
I think. 
And I think I noticed that when 

1146
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,200
I land where I feel like it kind
of splays out and that adds to 

1147
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:11,300
that platform contact area just 
it doesn't, it's not so tied 

1148
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,400
together. 
So it allows it to kind of kind 

1149
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,800
of marshmallow out words if that
makes sense as you land and move

1150
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,400
through the shoe. 
So again I agree with everything

1151
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,800
that David said, That's just a 
couple things to add. 

1152
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,100
Matt, what are your worries? 
Your in wrestling going? 

1153
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,300
Yeah, I would, I think that 
accurately puts its the hits, 

1154
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:29,700
the nail on the head, you both 
said this? 

1155
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,000
Where I think do Alice did a 
very good job with what they 

1156
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,200
have to work with fuel cell? 
It's great. 

1157
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,500
Lot of people like it is soft. 
It is I think the side. 

1158
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:39,700
Oh I'm curious to know if you've
ever thought one of the softest 

1159
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:43,800
Foams on the market. 
At least now it feels the the 

1160
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,200
side walls are good in terms of 
kind of keeping you there but 

1161
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,400
the foam is so soft. 
This I mean if you're really 

1162
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,500
moving through those that's 
you're going to Go through those

1163
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:55,300
like butter, the decoupling here
and the ability to spread and 

1164
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:58,100
create a wider platform. 
I like Nathan I feel the same 

1165
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:00,200
thing. 
I think the energy are does a 

1166
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,400
good job of facilitating 
transition forward so I think 

1167
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,400
Foot and Ankle so here's where 
and I said the same thing with 

1168
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,200
the RC Elite but I think this is
where they this is better. 

1169
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:13,700
I think things are so weak 
because I pissed off my post Tib

1170
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,300
and deep hip rotators in the RC 
leaks. 

1171
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:17,700
I was like this is so 
comfortable. 

1172
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,500
I'm going to do some long runs 
at and then I wasn't ready for 

1173
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,800
that and it Irritated because it
was so unstable. 

1174
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,800
It was unstable, especially 
higher up. 

1175
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,000
So I think this does a better 
job, it's still a neutral shoe, 

1176
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,700
it's not unstable, but it's also
not a stable shoe and I think 

1177
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:36,000
we're something this soft is 
really going to work is less 

1178
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,400
less Foot and Ankle so Foot and 
Ankle you're probably okay. 

1179
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,400
But your your hip and higher up 
you need to make sure you've got

1180
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,700
good stability there. 
So somebody that's got not the 

1181
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:46,700
best ability at the pelvis, 
right? 

1182
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:49,000
So not so good. 
Gloomy door deep hip rotators. 

1183
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,000
This one might be a little bit 
of a Juggle, whereas your summit

1184
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,000
goes, hey my hips are really 
really strong. 

1185
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,700
I just need a little help to 
facilitating a transition for 

1186
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:58,400
the Foot and Ankle just a teeny 
bit. 

1187
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,600
I think you'll be fine but it's 
still a neutral shoe and not 

1188
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,300
something you should come 
looking for stability in. 

1189
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:09,700
It's just not unstable. 
So before I want to wrap this 

1190
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:14,000
shoe up pretty quick and the 
only shoe I really want to dive 

1191
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,300
into a quick comparison on and 
just get your thoughts. 

1192
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:18,800
And we've talked about this as a
team a little bit thought would 

1193
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,400
be good to bring it up during 
this is earlier last year. 

1194
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:28,200
They released the SC Trainer so 
you have this High stack record 

1195
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,700
shoe, that's supposed to be the 
strainer. 

1196
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:34,000
So I have mine here, we talked 
about this shoe, the SC lead 

1197
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,600
being kind of this 
jack-of-all-trades. 

1198
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,600
Being able to do a lot of stuff.
Are these shoes, like pretty 

1199
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,400
similar or are they very 
different? 

1200
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,000
Is there a place for both of 
them? 

1201
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,000
I don't think Matt has anything.
He wants to say, just kidding. 

1202
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,600
Matt Matt, what are your 
thoughts on like comparisons 

1203
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,300
between these two? 
If there's a spot for both of 

1204
00:59:50,308 --> 00:59:53,800
them. 
What are your thoughts? 

1205
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,800
I honestly can't think of a 
better pairing. 

1206
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,700
If you like how the SC Lee feels
you're going to like how the the

1207
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:04,900
SC Trainer feels if you like how
the SC Trainer feels and you 

1208
01:00:04,908 --> 01:00:06,500
want to racing true version of 
it. 

1209
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:07,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's going to be great. 

1210
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,300
I think they have a lot of 
things that are similar, and I 

1211
01:00:10,308 --> 01:00:12,700
know the SE trainer is meant as 
a training shoe in. 

1212
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:15,400
This is meant as a racing shoe 
and there's a lot of components.

1213
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,500
They share be at the energy Arc 
be at the phone, be a lot of 

1214
01:00:18,508 --> 01:00:21,600
different components. 
So I think there's still a place

1215
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,400
for them because they are 
difference. 

1216
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,600
This is really meant meant as a 
faster shoe. 

1217
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,200
It's meant as a racing shoe. 
You really not supposed to that 

1218
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,900
was not the purpose of the SC 
Elite. 

1219
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:33,600
The SCLC was a training shoe. 
I understood that you were a, 

1220
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,700
you could be able to do maybe 
some up-tempo stuff. 

1221
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:39,100
But it really wasn't that it was
meant for. 

1222
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,300
Hey, how do we take this kind of
stuff and turned into a training

1223
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:45,100
shoe? 
This is still meant to be happy 

1224
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:46,700
to work out races. 
Yeah. 

1225
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:49,500
It's like, oh, yeah. 
What does 11 ounces and ounces? 

1226
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,400
Yeah, I was going to tell you. 
I do not want to run a race in 

1227
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,100
an 11 oz, right? 
Yeah. 

1228
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,300
Yeah. 
That out there right now so it 

1229
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:59,900
is a training shoe. 
It is it still might be a good 

1230
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,200
thing for someone who's a 
four-hour plus? 

1231
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,400
Marathoner who's like? 
I just want as much cushion as 

1232
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,300
possible and that's fine. 
But I think if you want these 

1233
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:10,100
two shoes do complement each 
other. 

1234
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,700
Well, just because the SE Lee 
is, is meant as a training shoe 

1235
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:18,200
in the geometry. 
Like lines up really well 

1236
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,000
whereas this one, it can do 
that, but I would rather do some

1237
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,600
up-tempo stuff in it. 
How is the fit for you guys 

1238
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,800
between these two? 
I like the fit of the scl, eat 

1239
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,500
better? 
Yeah, I did. 

1240
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:31,500
Was it more outside of the 
lacing thing? 

1241
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:35,100
I feel like I gotta like, 
preface the lacing issue like 

1242
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:37,800
like otherwise it was really 
nice. 

1243
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,700
Yeah. 
Like it was just like that was 

1244
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:42,100
like the one thing and it 
happened to be a kind of a big 

1245
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:43,000
thing for me. 
Yep. 

1246
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,700
And it's honestly the bummer is 
for the scl eat. 

1247
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,500
It's a booty Construction done. 
Well there's bad Boutique 

1248
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:49,500
instructions. 
It's done. 

1249
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:52,400
Well, except the lacing like it 
could have been so good. 

1250
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,500
Right. 
I think it was good. 

1251
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,200
I think it's going to do really 
well for people with higher 

1252
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,200
volume feet are wider feet, 
especially but for those of us 

1253
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,700
that still need to get some lock
down, those laces do bite a 

1254
01:02:02,708 --> 01:02:04,400
little bit. 
What's the what about? 

1255
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,500
Okay, so comparison between the 
trainer SC, Trainer and SC Elite

1256
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,500
was fit similar. 
You said you liked it more but 

1257
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,800
was it more roomy? 
Was it less roomy for y'all. 

1258
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:18,100
What was what was that? 
I feel like they're both pretty 

1259
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,800
accommodating. 
They're both pretty roomy. 

1260
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,700
I felt like the SC Trainer had a
little bit more reinforcement, 

1261
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,600
built into it as a trainer 
probably would. 

1262
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,600
It didn't feel quite as let's 
say, stretchy on the material 

1263
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,800
itself, you know, from a turning
standpoint and it what what is 

1264
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,100
the SE trainer at it's like 47 
millimeters or something crazy? 

1265
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,300
That's way up there. 
I mean like you have to have 

1266
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:47,200
some more reinforcement when 
you're that high up, like It's 

1267
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,300
so it's a little bit different, 
it's a little bit more 

1268
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:53,600
structured, I guess I would say 
from an upper material, how they

1269
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,400
lock it down standpoint, like 
you really need to make sure 

1270
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,000
you're on that platform because 
if you're not you're about to go

1271
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,700
break an ankle and I mean I 
don't want to quote the Great 

1272
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:09,700
Cookie on the same, break my 
ankles but there are like you 

1273
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:13,900
need to make sure that shoe is 
done well so that you don't do 

1274
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:16,200
something bad. 
Whereas I feel like you don't 

1275
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,100
worry about that. 
Answer with the soe. 

1276
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,200
So it's funny. 
I showed everybody on our team a

1277
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,600
video of this, but everyone was 
like, oh yeah, the upper of the 

1278
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,600
SC Trainer feels good. 
It feels like like I got room, 

1279
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,900
there's plenty of space and it 
is the tightest upper that I 

1280
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:36,600
wore last year in my, in my 
normal size 9. 

1281
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,900
And I sent a video to everybody 
about how my foot is literally 

1282
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:42,000
pushing off the edge of the 
platform. 

1283
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:45,500
I'm pretty sure I got like a 
faulty pair because it is the 

1284
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:49,100
the SC Trainer pair. 
That I have is so snug my toes, 

1285
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,200
but up on the edge, on the 
front. 

1286
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,100
It says, it's the right size, 
but I think they sent me a pair,

1287
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:58,100
that's not actually what it is 
because it is so tight. 

1288
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:01,800
So for me, which potentially 
with the faulty pea knew where 

1289
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,700
this is going, the SE Elite is 
has so much more room for me 

1290
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,900
than the trainer but maybe 
that's not worth listening to 

1291
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:12,700
because I I seriously don't know
why this pair of SC trainers is 

1292
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:15,000
so tight for me. 
So either New Balance, send him 

1293
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,600
another pair or I'm going to go 
find one on A to get another 

1294
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:24,900
refit, sit cool shoes, met, 
anything for that you want to 

1295
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:27,800
add, or should we finish move on
to our final segment? 

1296
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:31,100
I think everything that on 
definitely that fit comparison 

1297
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:33,400
and the comparison General I 
think has been has been said 

1298
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000
there's just more feels like 
we're structure in the SC 

1299
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:42,200
Trainer the that in the SC Elite
definitely more volume in in the

1300
01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:45,000
I guess the one thing I would 
say is especially 

1301
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,700
structure-wise, I felt like the 
The SC Lee tapered, a little bit

1302
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,400
more and just because of the I 
think the toe guards a little 

1303
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,600
stiffer, but once I got through 
as fine but there's this has a 

1304
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,800
much more stretchy and flexible 
upper compared to that. 

1305
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,600
But cool. 
Alright, so here we go, final 

1306
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,900
segment. 
We're just going to relatively 

1307
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,600
quick fire. 
You can give a little bit of a 

1308
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,300
caveat as why you choose what 
you do. 

1309
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:13,400
But the question is, if you were
to take a shoe out to try to hit

1310
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,200
your best marathon time, and 
another shoe to take, For your 

1311
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,500
best. 
Half marathon time dice. 

1312
01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:20,600
A half. 
Marathon twice. 

1313
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,200
No. 
Kappa marathon time. 

1314
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:24,500
Okay, good. 
So once you for your half 

1315
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,700
marathon, once you for your 
Marathon, which one would you 

1316
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:29,600
take out? 
It could be the same answer, but

1317
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:32,800
what would be your choices for 
the long distance races? 

1318
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:34,700
If you're in a try to take it 
out today? 

1319
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,900
David, are you ready for this? 
Of course I'm not mad. 

1320
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:44,200
Are you ready? 
Do you want to go first? 

1321
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,600
Oh my God. 
Just a loaded question, man. 

1322
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,300
Can we do gonna drop that on 
them and chop it? 

1323
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:53,500
I knew it we kind of got me 
thinking the whole as of like 

1324
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:55,700
one minute before the video 
recorded. 

1325
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:58,100
Okay well this is one of those 
things we did. 

1326
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:02,900
We did send the outlined earlier
today, but somebody wasn't 

1327
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:08,200
watching the chat Eunice. 
All right, I'll go, I'll go, I 

1328
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,300
got it. 
I-i'm of an answer, I'm ready. 

1329
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:15,600
So my half marathon racing shoe 
right now would be the Endorphin

1330
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,600
Pro 3. 
Just ran a 5-mile race in, it 

1331
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:21,900
felt really good. 
I like the I like the geometry. 

1332
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:25,100
I like the foam I did well in 
the Endorphin Pro to for my last

1333
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:27,900
marathon I don't think I'm in 
shape to take a shoe like this 

1334
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:30,300
for the whole Marathon. 
Well, I'm not in the shape to 

1335
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:33,100
run a marathon at all. 
But half marathon, I would take 

1336
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:35,300
the Endorphin Pro 3. 
I think I fit it. 

1337
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:40,900
Fits my rhythm really well and 
just feels like I can get get 

1338
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:42,200
going. 
Get going in the shoe. 

1339
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,400
So that would be my choice for 
half marathon choice. 

1340
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,600
For Marathon is between two 
shoes. 

1341
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:49,800
Who's sorry? 
But it's between and that's 

1342
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,700
partially because I'm not ready 
to run a marathon right now. 

1343
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:55,700
So it's hard to project but it 
would be the endorphins Speed 3 

1344
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:01,100
or the Asics souperblast. 
And this is the one that I lean 

1345
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:02,900
towards us to do to the super 
glass. 

1346
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:06,000
I just I think as this shoe is 
broken in more, it has the 

1347
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,400
perfect amount of Bounce but 
it's a really wide platform 

1348
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,900
underneath. 
So I just really think that I've

1349
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,600
done my longest run in a why I 
did like a 14 and a half mile. 

1350
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:22,500
Run in the shoe at like a 7:15 
pace, which for me is like, 

1351
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:25,500
working decently hard and it 
just felt awesome. 

1352
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:29,300
And it was my first time going 
over 10 miles in a while. 

1353
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:32,100
So, I just felt really 
confident. 

1354
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:34,200
And so, I think this would be 
the shoe that I would take out 

1355
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,600
just for that wider platform. 
Still lightweight has some of 

1356
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,300
that bounce, not super rigid. 
So, if I do slow down, it feels 

1357
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:43,900
good at those slower Pace has, 
which could definitely happen 

1358
01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:46,500
for me during a marathon. 
So that's my pick. 

1359
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:47,800
Pick. 
Matt. 

1360
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,300
What do you got? 
All right, I'm going to do what 

1361
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:52,500
you just did. 
So if for half marathon, if I 

1362
01:07:52,508 --> 01:07:55,300
was feeling really really good 
and I'm like, I want to run 

1363
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:58,400
really fast. 
I would take the rocket X2, only

1364
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,900
cuz wow, I just hit a really 
fast tempo run, I think, because

1365
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:05,100
I've been on the track more, I'm
going to do better and something

1366
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:08,300
that's little more aggressive if
I really wasn't going, I gotta 

1367
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:11,400
say I'm not trusting myself, I 
would take the indoor from Pro 

1368
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,000
3, only because I've run those 
distances and I know I can trust

1369
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,000
this shoe 10K. 
Half marathon like I've done 

1370
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,600
that before. 
So I know that for Marathon. 

1371
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,800
I think this the Endorphin Lee 
is still going to be my go-to of

1372
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,300
shoe I can trust. 
I've I'm like hey I'm looking to

1373
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:32,600
go fast. 
I'm going to move but I'm still 

1374
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,300
curious about the SC Elite 
because I again being able to do

1375
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:38,800
an 8-mile easy run right out the
door on super hilly terrain and 

1376
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,399
not be bothered at all. 
I'm like you know if I was just 

1377
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:44,899
going to go run one yeah I would
choose the SE lie but if I was 

1378
01:08:44,899 --> 01:08:47,899
like, I'm going to race it be. 
The Endorphin Elite. 

1379
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,500
Cool, David, what about you 
Alpha? 

1380
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:54,899
Flight Alpha fly. 
Yeah, it's Alpha by Alpha he 

1381
01:08:54,899 --> 01:08:57,500
won't say it but will happen 
like a couple minutes before end

1382
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:00,200
although he's we have less of 
that because he actually did now

1383
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,800
his marathon in it. 
Well you know because now he's 

1384
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,600
got his Hoka like true Soca 
Super Shoes. 

1385
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:10,899
I'm sold stop. 
Sorry David I kind of like to 

1386
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:13,800
sit back and watching what you 
guys think I'm going to say, did

1387
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,899
we say earlier? 
They were just like it alike, 

1388
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:18,000
troll, you roast David the whole
time. 

1389
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:21,100
Yeah, I know. 
Like what was up with this? 

1390
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:23,800
I don't know. 
I feel like we didn't roast your

1391
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,100
Marathon. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1392
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,899
I feel like I don't get rested 
enough actually. 

1393
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:33,800
So that's fair Marathon. 
I think it's a pretty definitive

1394
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,899
answer for me. 
I think I'm going Saucony 

1395
01:09:35,899 --> 01:09:38,300
dolphin Elite, you just that's 
my favorite shoe for the 

1396
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:39,100
marathon. 
You just did it. 

1397
01:09:39,108 --> 01:09:42,600
Like I just did it. 
I just ran a marathon in it. 

1398
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,500
I've taken this thing 26.2. 
I felt fine afterwards. 

1399
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,200
I mean as fine as you could 
after a marathon, right? 

1400
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,800
Like Like not on the ground 
collapsing, crawling around 

1401
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:58,200
puking needing a wheelchair, 
none of that finish. 

1402
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,000
Eighth, my Belgian waffle drink 
a beer, like everything was 

1403
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:05,800
picture asking perfect. 
As far as that goes, endorphin. 

1404
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,400
Elite is my Marathon choice. 
Now where I have a hard time 

1405
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,700
making this is that half 
marathon choice. 

1406
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:17,700
For me, there are four shoes in 
the rotation. 

1407
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:27,500
I mean, I don't have a next to 
me. 

1408
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:31,800
That's kind of, that's such a 
fun shoe. 

1409
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,300
I don't know why. 
It's just like a shoe. 

1410
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:36,200
That works really well for me. 
And I'm fly to just didn't quite

1411
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,100
deliver the same way. 
It just felt my little bit more 

1412
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:42,300
marathons Pacific and then I 
like the Endorphin Elite more. 

1413
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:45,100
So then I kind of just ended up 
becoming, and, or finale and 

1414
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,800
Alpha Phi 2 is kind of just not 
really in any of my pics. 

1415
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,400
So Alpha fly one is kind of a 
half-marathon pick, but I 

1416
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,500
probably wouldn't run in it 
because my pair has a lot of 

1417
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:59,200
miles on it and I'm just not 
going to run an issue that has 

1418
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,200
that many miles on it. 
So now looking at the half 

1419
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,900
marathon, it's like we're still 
turning over pretty good. 

1420
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:09,600
We're running fast, it's a 
controlled effort, but I still 

1421
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,500
need to be able to push this 
shoe in the shoe needs to be 

1422
01:11:11,508 --> 01:11:14,100
able to respond. 
And so like the Endorphin 

1423
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:16,700
Elites, one of those shoes were 
like when I was really trying to

1424
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:20,300
turn over and push I actually 
Juggled with like running like a

1425
01:11:20,308 --> 01:11:23,500
10K to half marathon pace. 
Like half marathon, I think I 

1426
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:26,400
could still do but I would not 
run in this thing in the 10K. 

1427
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,500
And so like, endorphin Elite is 
still on the ballot like it's 

1428
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,800
still one of the choices where 
it's like, this is like the 

1429
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,500
shorter end of the range that I 
would want to run in this shoe 

1430
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:39,400
in the other one. 
Klein mentioned the rocket X2, 

1431
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,200
actually responds really well. 
Like it's a shoe that works well

1432
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,300
for my mechanics. 
I just ran on my like ninth 

1433
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:48,200
mild, the tempo of for something
you know. 

1434
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,100
In that shoe today and it felt 
fine. 

1435
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:53,400
So, it's like one of those 
things where I like, I can 

1436
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,900
respond and push into the ground
and know, I can trust it under 

1437
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:01,300
my foot and with the 
half-marathon type Paces, it's 

1438
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:03,900
like okay, I'm going fast enough
to wear like I still want to 

1439
01:12:03,908 --> 01:12:06,900
feel fast, I'm not just like 
falling into a rhythm. 

1440
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:11,300
The other shoe is a shoe that 
makes me feel very fast and it's

1441
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:15,900
like can I actually hang on for 
that long and that shoe is the 

1442
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:17,500
Adidas to camiseta? 
Knew it? 

1443
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:19,500
I knew it. 
That's a shoot. 

1444
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:23,500
Like this could be a very, very 
intriguing half-marathon shoe 

1445
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:25,900
and it's one of those ones. 
I just haven't quite taken it 

1446
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:30,400
that long, I've run. 
I mean, I've run 14 miles in one

1447
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,000
day in it, but I haven't run 
like 13 quality miles in it, you

1448
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,300
know, I don't know what it feels
like nine miles into something 

1449
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:41,200
where I'm running hard the whole
time in that shoe. 

1450
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,400
And I just haven't done that 
yet, but I could see it being a 

1451
01:12:44,408 --> 01:12:47,100
very, very intriguing option 
because it's one of those shoes 

1452
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:50,400
that, like, when I want Respond.
And I put it into the ground and

1453
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,200
I'm like, please run faster, it 
runs faster and it responds with

1454
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,400
me. 
So that's where I'm having a 

1455
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,200
really hard time making that 
decision for the half marathon 

1456
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,900
because the marathon like this 
thing is light enough to where 

1457
01:13:01,900 --> 01:13:03,700
it doesn't feel like it's 
intriguing. 

1458
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,900
I think it's not intruding me in
any way, it's responsive enough 

1459
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:10,500
to where I can push it but it's 
it's so it's comfortable enough 

1460
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:11,800
to where I can just fall into 
Rhythm. 

1461
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:15,100
And so the Endorphin Elite for 
me for the marathon is an easy 

1462
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,900
answer. 
But the other ones it's like 

1463
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:20,400
it's like Like that weird Middle
Ground of like, I just don't 

1464
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,900
quite know at the moment and I 
just need to have a little bit 

1465
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:24,000
more time. 
In all of these. 

1466
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:27,800
I've got 26 miles in my rocket 
X2, but that doesn't mean much 

1467
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,600
considering one was a 16 and one
was 10, right? 

1468
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,100
You know it's like I've had two 
runs and to give me a son, I've 

1469
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:37,900
had several runs and I've had 
quite a few but there will be V 

1470
01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:39,700
mostly been track workouts. 
Yeah. 

1471
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:44,300
So I haven't taken it on a long 
road work out yet, so that's 

1472
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:47,100
where it gets really dicey on 
that choice for me. 

1473
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,100
But if You see me in my half 
minimum next half marathon and 

1474
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:53,500
I'm wearing the takumi. 
Don't be surprised because I 

1475
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:56,200
think there's a chance, I might 
actually choose that shoe. 

1476
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:58,800
Yeah. 
And same goes for the rocket X2.

1477
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,500
I feel like if you're looking at
odds right now, they're all even

1478
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:05,200
it's like 33% champ like it's 
like an even answer. 

1479
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:10,100
Like I don't I'm not leaning in 
any specific way so those are my

1480
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:11,000
choices. 
I don't know. 

1481
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,300
Like it's three and I'm not 
leaning in any specific 

1482
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:16,000
Direction. 
I could see all of them all 

1483
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,100
being the right answer. 
It's like yeah. 

1484
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,200
I was going to try to make a 
parallel between that and 

1485
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,300
current March Madness because 
there is not any one, two, or 

1486
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:26,300
three seeds that made the final 
four this year, which is insane,

1487
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:27,800
right? 
That's just crazy to me. 

1488
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:30,100
Yeah. 
But you con is like that's like 

1489
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:32,100
the most unfair for seat on the 
planet. 

1490
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,300
Like, even Miami being a five 
seed. 

1491
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:37,700
They won the ACC like in the 
regular right season. 

1492
01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:41,000
And then they lost in the, 
semifinals of the tournament. 

1493
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,400
I had the meeting Houston and my
Brock. 

1494
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,400
Yeah, I did. 
Ya like like I remember like 

1495
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,600
this whole year being a college 
basketball fan? 

1496
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,500
I'm like they Never gone away. 
They've always been there but no

1497
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:52,600
one ever talked about. 
Yeah, it was like a weird thing 

1498
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,700
where, like they've had a very, 
very good season. 

1499
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:57,200
They've been very consistent but
the parodies. 

1500
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:02,900
Great, and in my knees, my niece
who is six picked at Florida, 

1501
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:05,800
Atlantic to win the whole thing.
So I'm cheering them on my 

1502
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,000
goodness. 
So well, please tell me that 

1503
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,900
they entered into it like an 
actual Bruno. 

1504
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:14,300
Just our family bracket. 
We but we exchange a, we 

1505
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:17,600
exchanged one of my old 
gymnastics trophies and you get 

1506
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,000
to write your initials on it if 
you win a certain year. 

1507
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:23,600
So, all right, leave it to a 
shoe review. 

1508
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,200
Episode to get us all fired it 
up and passionate. 

1509
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,800
So we are going to wrap things 
up. 

1510
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:29,200
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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,000
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