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Everyone, welcome to the Doctors
Running podcast, where we, a 

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group of doctors, physical 
therapy, talk about the art and 

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the science of the things that 
we put on our feet today. 

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It's myself, Matt Klein, and 
Doctor David Salas, and we're 

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going to do well, we kind of 
always do, but a little bit more

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so 'cause we have a bunch of 
different topics that we go 

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through. 
We've got lots of different 

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things and lots of different 
variations. 

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But actually, one of the most 
commonly requested things is for

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us to actually spend more time 
talking about shoes. 

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So we're going to do that. 
We're going to have a little bit

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of an extended conversation on 
what we've got in for testing. 

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Talk about some shoes that are 
in some interesting comments 

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about them because a couple of 
them are pretty controversial on

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our team, which was not 
expected. 

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And then we're going to dive 
into David's experience in 

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Boston, which looked absolutely 
awesome. 

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We're going to hear more about 
that. 

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Of course, organically, we're 
going to talk about some Adidas 

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shoes, but we just want to talk 
first before we jump into this. 

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This episode is sponsored by 
Rabbits. 

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Where are the code for this 
month is May Docs 10, all 

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capital letters and you can get 
10% off $50 or more of your 

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apparel. 
It's obviously an apparel 

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company that we've really, 
really enjoyed. 

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Both David and I are wearing it 
right now. 

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I finally took the low tide as 
part of their ice and cold, no 

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ice and hot icy hot, no. 
What was it called? 

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Icy. 
Hot this is. 

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Oh man. 
Is it like, Oh my gosh, now you 

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got me going like fire and ice? 
It is the fire and ice 

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collection. 
Yes, it is fire and ice. 

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Sorry, rabbit. 
Oh, my gosh, the Icy Hot 

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collection, man, it's hot here. 
It's 90° and in Oregon already, 

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and I'm sitting in the garage 
and like, baking right now. 

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Wow. 
Yeah, it's a little warm, so my 

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brain's not working. 
But yeah, it is the fire and ice

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collection. 
The Icy Hot is not included, 

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which has been really great. 
And I'm not wearing it right 

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now, but the low tide version is
the like kind of like a high 

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country, but a little bit 
lighter. 

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And I've kind of been like, 
yeah, you know, it's I like my 

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high country stop. 
Another colorway just came out 

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and like hot crap. 
I don't want to spend more 

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money, but I'm going to have to 
probably go by that. 

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And I really enjoyed it on the 
run. 

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Like I use the high countries 
all the time on runs. 

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It's not the lightest material, 
but it definitely like post 

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work. 
It's an easy thing to like, Hey,

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it breathes well, it's fine. 
But the low tide's on another 

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level where it's like, oh, this 
is really like breathe super 

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well, really light. 
I took it on a long run this 

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morning and I really, really 
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So the fire and ice collection 
is pretty fire actually. 

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And so one of the things you can
think about, David, is also 

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wearing something which I just 
realized you're wearing like a 

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Twitter, you're wearing. 
What are you wearing? 

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Yeah, yeah, it's the go. 
Oh my gosh, the go to crew, the 

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go to hoodie and yeah. 
And I've actually really been 

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enjoying their crew neck and 
some of their lifestyle stuff. 

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I also have the downtime crew 
and they both have become 

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staples in the rotation for me 
apparel wise, Very soft on the 

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inside and it's actually a 
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It's it's decently worn and I 
find I could just do a quick 

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little pullover and it looks 
great when I go walking out. 

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What temperature is it in Santa 
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It's like, I don't know, it's 
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Wow. 
It's not too bad. 

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It's not like it's cold, but 
it's not hot either, you know? 

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Yeah, so I guess Oregon is just 
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that's weird. 
So it's hotter up here than down

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there. 
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Yeah, it might be in the 60s, 
but yeah, we've kind of had some

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overcast weather and it's been 
feeling a little bit more chilly

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the last couple days. 
Got it. 

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The sun did break today, so that
was that was good. 

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That's great. 
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We've had nothing but sun up 
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it's been really interesting. 
Oh no, we're in May. 

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It just hit me. 
We get the May grey and the June

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gloom, so maybe that's going to 
start rolling in. 

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That makes sense. 
So anyway, if you are interested

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in rabid apparel, again, the 
stuff is expensive, but for us 

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it's been absolutely worth it. 
And as you know, I've, as 

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everybody knows, I bought a ton 
of high country stuff and I wear

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it all the time, enough that my 
students make fun of me. 

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And actually a couple of them 
bought it, bought a couple pairs

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just to like imitate me during 
class, which is great. 

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But yeah, again, code is May 
Docs 10, Docs 10 for those of 

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you that are interested. 
Now let's get in for our into 

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testing and we're going to do a 
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So David, why don't you go 
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What are do you have in for 
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What's unique? 
What's happened since you've got

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more miles on some of those 
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Yeah, so I mean, I took about a 
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race. 
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may have talked about in the 
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again. 
But now I've gotten some miles 

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and we've gotten a few runs 
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I just wrote the review for The 
North Face Alta Mesa 500 version

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2. 
Very nice. 

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I really liked this shoe. 
I saw some conflicting 

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measurements on their website. 
They had 36mm for their stack 

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height but then running 
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so pretty large difference. 
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definitely cushioned, but I went
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because it's their website when 
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that's out there. 
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company will report the stack 
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there. 
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Be yeah, that might be it, but 
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36. 
It's tall. 

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It's tall, not bad, but it's 
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Yeah. 
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It's got a really wide base on 
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It's the rocker is dialed in, I 
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The four foot rocker 
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noticeable in this shoe. 
It kind of feels like you're 

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falling off the front a little 
bit and you're constantly kind 

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of rolling into the next step. 
However, the midsole, they call 

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it dream midsole. 
It's a super critical TPU based 

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midsole. 
It doesn't feel super responsive

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to me, but it feels like it 
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cushioning, if that makes sense 
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cushioning and it's just nice 
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easy. 
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pace in it, but it is nice to 
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The fit of the upper. 
This shoe is a lot more spacious

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So those that want space, you 
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foot. 
You got a lot of volume in the 

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four foot. 
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most like quote UN quote normal 
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profile of the shoe goes, but 
it's still plenty spacious locks

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down well, the my tongue is like
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didn't have any issues with 
biting when I like like locked 

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it down. 
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design as far as the laces go, 
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The one thing, and this is 
something interesting and you 

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could probably comment on this 
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I found the fit around the heel 
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especially on the posterior 
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tiny little bit of heel lift, 
but it wasn't problematic so I 

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was able to run in it. 
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up. 
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for people like if they have 
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pressure to the backside of the 
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they have Hagglunds or not, but 
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This could be an option, 
especially if the lockdown works

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for you. 
That was like the first thing I 

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thought of where I was like, I 
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100% for me but I could easily 
see someone really liking it. 

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Yeah, I would definitely agree 
having gotten a good number of 

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miles in this and I appreciate 
you right in the view up all the

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things you said makes total 
sense where a the fits a little 

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wider. 
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like ultra topo type fit, this 
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Have you still got wiggle room 
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huge wide toe box? 
The ride is exactly described. 

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It's a roll. 
The most common, the thing that 

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I felt was a Rockard ride. 
You can't really pick up the 

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pace in it. 
It's just really meant for like 

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clunk like doing long miles in. 
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that's going to roll along. 
It's not bouncy, but it's not 

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hard. 
It just sits. 

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That's like it's cushioned, but 
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It's definitely stable neutral 
for the wider platform, side 

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walls, that kind of stuff. 
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heel actually did really, really
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I think because it is a teeny 
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So people that want a really 
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not going to be your best bet. 
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more room or like a little less 
pressure in that area is going 

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to be better. 
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back there, but it's just not as
aggressive and it's a little 

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more rounded than other shoes. 
So there's going to be a little 

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less pressure. 
But yeah, that's something that 

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when I like re flared my heel 
up, that was a shoe that I was 

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walking around in 'cause it was 
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unload that a little bit. 
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it's good. 
It's not probably the best for 

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like ultra technical trails, but
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stuff out there, it's going to 
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And the lugs are also like 
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Rd. miles, like road to trail 
have been totally fine. 

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Yeah, and on their website too, 
they say Road to trail. 

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Oh, I didn't know that. 
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Yeah, they hit that. 4mm lug and
it's pretty widely dispersed, I 

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feel like and it retails at 170,
which I think is a very fair 

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price. 
Yeah, for the shoe. 

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Durability is really good, the 
amount of shoe that you're 

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getting, yeah. 
Yeah, and the weight's not bad. 

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I don't remember the exact way 
it's like in the high 9 oz. 

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Yeah, it's, it's at. 10 or just 
under, which is really good for 

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a shoe with that much volume in 
it. 

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That's not a quote UN quote 
super shoe so. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So I think for the right person,

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it's very worth it. 
So I think it's an excellent 

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shoe. 
I don't think it's my personal 

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trail shoe of the year so far, 
you know, but I think for the 

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right by person it could be. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So that was the first shoe that 
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Did we want to alternate this 
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go all the way through because 
we're going to be talking for 

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the listeners and the viewers 
today. 

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We wanted to do a little bit 
longer of an in for testing 

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segments. 
Yeah, let's talk about one that 

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I'm not sure if you're testing 
at the moment, but I have the 

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Brooks Hyperion Max 4. 
I really, even though the last 

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version, the cut out doesn't 
work immediately for me as well.

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I felt like the previous version
was like it was really exciting 

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from books going. 
Oh my gosh, you have a bouncy 

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training shoe. 
The training being relative, 

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this could easily be a racing 
shoe for a lot of people with 

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Piba in it and it was like nice 
to see them doing this. 

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And I really enjoyed version 3. 
The durability held on really 

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nicely for me, although I did 
start slowly cut away at this 

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spot as I usually do. 
So it's very the only trouble 

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was that the upper was just kind
of I don't know, it was not 

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great. 
It was fit short. 

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It was really hot and just kind 
of rough. 

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The change that I made is I 
finally accepted that I need a 

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10 1/2 in Brooks and I that's 
what I requested. 

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All the stuff now fits much 
nicer. 

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I felt like all my size 10s. 
I'm normally size 10. 

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I found that every single shoe 
my toes were hitting the AD and 

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I'm like I'm usually a size 10 
and everything else I am kind of

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on that edge where I'm just like
between its size and some shoes.

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Brooks consistently so went to a
10 1/2. 

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The upper is without that much 
better, much lighter, much more 

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breathable, which is really 
really nice. 

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Mitzel is supposedly the same 
but feels quite a bit firmer and

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I'm trying to figure that out 
why. 

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I'm not sure if I just haven't 
broken the shoe in yet because I

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had like 150 miles on the last 
version so I'm not sure if I 

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need to get more miles in this. 
I've got about like 15 or so on 

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them right now which is why they
don't look too beat up yet, but 

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I'm going to get a lot more. 
I'm not ready to do a a full 

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review yet but just been a teeny
bit firmer. 

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Still the kind of higher stack. 
I think it's a teeny bit if I 

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remember measuring this. 
A teeny bit lighter but not by 

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much. 
Very similar shoe, but the upper

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is really the biggest change. 
But the Mitzel feels firmer and 

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that's not necessarily a good or
bad thing, it's just something 

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I'm trying to interpret right 
now. 

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Still snappy under foot. 
Still like a great shoe for 

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workouts. 
Probably not. 

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Wouldn't be my choice for a race
shoe, but a lot of people could 

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easily use it as a race shoe if 
they like that. 

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Probably a really good shoe if 
you have a little bit of lateral

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stability needs just because our
lateral like guidance needs. 

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Just because it does bias you 
immediately. 

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And so that's going to work for 
some people. 

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It doesn't work quite as well 
for me, but I don't notice it as

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much, which is nice on some of 
the runs I've been doing. 

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And so I've been working on some
strength. 

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But yeah, just really majority 
upper stuff. 

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But those who maybe for years 
were like, hey, the my normal 

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size feels short. 
I'm really going to encourage 

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you. 
You might want to go up half 

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size. 
But that also might be why it 

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feels firmer because when you 
have a plate in the shoe, which 

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that shoe does, that where your 
first MTP joint lines up with 

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that plate can really change how
the shoe feels, especially 

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during toe off. 
So I might be thinking might be 

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feeling that it's a little bit 
stiffer and firmer because now 

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the plates a little longer 
relative to where I'm used to. 

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So that might totally be 
something. 

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But yeah, so uppers a lot better
in that shoe. 

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More miles needed for full 
confirmation of how that midsole

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is going. 
Yeah I have the four as well but

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I'm focusing on the other shoes 
currently. 

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Review wise I found the upper 
felt much more secure to me at 

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least putting it on. 
Walking around I the upper in 

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the Hyperion Max 3 for me was a 
little bit stretchy and I felt 

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unstable like on the platform to
the point where my foot was 

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hurting when I ran in it. 
Like I, I just really struggled 

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with Hyperion Max 3, but putting
on the four and moving around, I

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was like, I feel like this would
work. 

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I feel like I'd be OK for me 
even though I haven't run in it 

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yet. 
It's just have that hunch that I

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think it will be better. 
And I don't know how much of 

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that is just upper security 
because it feels like it's a 

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little bit more dialed in and 
just not quite as much give to 

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it. 
I'm not sure but. 

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Definitely a little more 
structure in that upper but and 

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also a little thinner, which is 
really nice and breathable. 

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But yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So next one up, I've got the. 
Let me grab it here. 

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I got a lot of shoes here on the
side. 

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See if we can. 
Grab this. 

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Oh, we are going to grab the 
same thing. 

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We grabbed it, Yeah. 
We got the. 

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We should have like put just 
like a little fragment of the 

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shoe, like in the corner of the 
frame and just have us guess 

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which one it is. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Saucony Triumph 24. 

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So holding that. 
This one's definitely a 

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polarizing one for the team. 
This is a funny one because I 

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feel like for me personally, it 
probably isn't the shoe for me. 

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However, I feel like this shoe 
in my eyes is actually a big win

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for Saucony. 
I know the rest of the team may 

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disagree with me, but my 
reasoning for this so they they 

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progressed the midsole. 
So now it's what they call 

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Incredi lux, so not Incredi run.
This is a new midsole, very 

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soft, very compliant. 
I mean, this thing is plush. 

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That's one of the softest shoes 
on the market right now. 

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And they brought the weight 
down. 

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They dialed in the rocker. 
The upper is plush. 

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And the reason why I feel like 
this is a really big win for 

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Saucony is for years I felt like
the Riot and the Triumph. 

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They didn't feel like they 
differentiated from each other 

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too much where it was like the 
Triumph, it's like, OK, like it 

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has power and PB and the upper 
is like, the upper was already 

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pretty plush on the ride and it 
didn't feel like it was that 

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different. 
Where I feel like the Triumph 

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24, like, really differentiates 
itself from the ride. 

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And it also just creates this 
classification of like, Oh yeah,

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that is their plush premium 
training shoe. 

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Like whether or not it agrees 
with you or not mechanics wise 

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or whether it's too soft. 
I know a lot of the people on 

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our team feel it's too soft. 
I felt like walking around it 

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felt a little soft. 
I was a little nervous when I 

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when I was going to start 
running in it if it would agree 

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with me, but actually I did 
fine. 

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I feel like when you're running,
the transitions are a little 

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quicker, the loads are a little 
higher and the loading profile, 

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the shoe just changes. 
And I felt like I would actually

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transition and actually use the 
rocker where like walking, it 

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felt like I might be climbing 
out of the heel a little bit 

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just because it's so soft. 
But when the transitions get 

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quicker, the transitions felt 
just so much smoother in the 

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Triumph. 
And I definitely like this could

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be a daily trainer for me and 
I'd have no issues. 

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I just, I don't think it's the 
trainer for me. 

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I tend to gravitate towards 
shoes that are a little bit 

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firmer in general most of the 
time or have at least some level

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of guidance in there or some 
firmness to the foam. 

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So like let's say the Cloud 
Monster 3 Hyper where they have 

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like the Cloud tech that's 
really firm on the outside with 

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the Helion HF. 
That type of design usually 

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works well for me. 
So I don't think it's going to 

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be like the shoe for me. 
I'll be having the written 

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review out on this shoe coming 
very soon. 

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It might be out by the time this
airs, but we'll have 20 miles on

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it very soon, probably tomorrow 
at least, and then we'll keep 

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going and I'll write the review.
But I like it. 

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I actually like the shoot a lot.
I think it's a really good step 

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in the right direction for 
Saucony in terms of 

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differentiating the lines and 
being like, Oh yeah, that is 

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different. 
That is truly like a plush 

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premium trainer in that neutral 
category that's a step away from

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the ride. 
So for that reason, I think it's

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a huge win, even if it's not 
necessarily the personal 

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favorite of me or of mine. 
I would 100% agree with what you

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said. 
I've actually been wearing it 

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for the last week or so walking 
just because I wanted a shoe 

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that had a higher drop just to 
offload my Achilles little bit 

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and it it has a 10mm drop which 
is not very common. 

362
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That's not good or bad. 
We have lost a lot of 10mm plus 

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shoes, which again, some people 
might say is a good thing for 

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For me personally, I'd say 
variety is good because 

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different people have different 
ankle mobility and requirements.

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And so I did start running in 
it. 

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I didn't think because the 
incredible Lux in this shoe is 

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very is quite soft walking. 100%
agree. 

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It's the same. 
Let me double check this before 

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I make this statement and I'm 
totally wrong because my one of 

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my favorite shoes this year. 
Yeah. 

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So the Hurricane 26, which we'll
talk about in a second, also 

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uses incredible Lux, which is 
incredibly, as the name 

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suggests, really bouncy. 
I've really, really enjoyed 

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version 26 a lot more than 
version 25, but it's similar 

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foam. 
Of course, it's going to be 

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slightly different in the 
triumph, But I agree with you 

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that soft walking around, but 
really bouncy and not like oh, 

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like soft mushy, but like a 
little responsive, which is 

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nice. 
And then I started running in it

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and I went, oh, like I really 
like this because I actually 

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feel like I bounce out of the 
shoe. 

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Whereas the Triumph 23, which is
a little, this is half an ounce 

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in my size 10. 
It's half an ounce later. 

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So this is 9.5 oz for my size 10
and it was 10. 

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Oz Yeah, it came out a. 
Lot, it's 10 ounces in the 23, 

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which I just measured and man, 
I'm really enjoying this. 

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Again, not maybe not quite 
stable enough for me. 

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I will say the sidewall in the 
medial side is really 

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noticeable. 
Like it's like quite a bit of a 

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high arch. 
So there's a little bit of 

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guidance from that. 
It's more just like, hey, if you

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have a high arch, you're 
probably like this is one of 

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those shoes. 
We don't normally talk about 

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arch height 'cause that's not a 
very good way to prescribe 

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running shoes. 
This is 1 where it's a little 

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higher going. 
If you have a low arch, this 

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might bother you just because 
it's so high, whereas if you 

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want that feeling, it's really 
high in the shoe. 

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So it's also why it may have 
worked. 

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The side walls work pretty 
decently for me, but I haven't 

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taken on long, long runs. 
But I've gotten some mileage. 

403
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And yeah, the incredible luck 
bounces. 

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It's light. 
And you said it perfectly. 

405
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It really differentiates itself 
from the ride. 

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Whereas the Triumph 23 is kind 
of like the kind of both mushy, 

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like similar weights. 
What are we doing? 

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And now, like, in my opinion, I 
think I like the idea of having 

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the premium shoe be bouncier, 
lighter, more responsive, and 

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then having the more date, like 
the more standard one kind of be

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you're like, hey, you know, a 
little variety there. 

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So the new ride, and we talked 
about this is a lot softer. 

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It's not as responsive as prior 
ones. 

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Do you want that? 
The Triumph is going to have it.

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And there's that. 
They've gone back and forth. 

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There have been some Triumphs in
the past where I've been like, 

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man, I'm doing workouts in this 
shoe. 

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It's bouncy, it's responsive. 
And then it kind of went the 

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other direction for a few years 
and now we're kind of back there

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where it's light, responsive and
that. 

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Yeah, the Incredilux Saucony is 
crushing it. 

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If you want bouncy soft phones 
like Saucony's like the number 

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one in my opinion right now, 
they are absolutely crushing 

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that. 
If you don't like that you want 

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firm that's probably not going 
to work for you. 

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But if you do, it's it's great 
uppers really comfortable, just 

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got for all day wear. 
It's been great. 

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Security is just fine. 
Tongue is just thick enough they

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don't get lace bite tightening 
stuff down. 

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It's, yeah, it's a really good 
shoe. 

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And you know, Nathan was talking
about how he didn't like the elf

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heel and he's like, as somebody 
from New Balance now working at 

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Saucony, I, I actually like it 
because it sits really nicely 

434
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around my Achilles and doesn't 
put pressure on there. 

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So to each there and but I get 
my you might not like that. 

436
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I don't mind it. 
It actually, it really 

437
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transitioned that. 
And I don't, it's the exact 

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opposite of what I've been 
hating where we have other 

439
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,000
companies that are actually 
making the heel tab like dig in,

440
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don't do that. 
That sucks. 

441
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So this is the opposite. 
It's much better. 

442
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But yeah, totally different 
shoe. 

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Pleasant surprise for me, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

444
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,440
I actually I'm surprised it's 
not red. 

445
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There's a little tint of red 
still on the bottom. 

446
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I took it on the track that 
doesn't. 

447
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,120
Surprise me. 
It wasn't too bad, no yeah. 

448
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,840
I don't think I would like RIP 
speed workouts in it, but like 

449
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,840
it wasn't awful like with the 
weight it's at it like it's not 

450
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,400
that heavy so you can lift it 
and it's soft and yeah so maybe 

451
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,360
for some like long run tempo 
stuff. 

452
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,520
Maybe I'll try it tomorrow. 
Maybe yeah sure. 

453
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,880
Why not? 
I took today off SO. 

454
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,360
Yep, there you go. 
Hit it hard before work, but 

455
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,920
yeah. 
So for the. 

456
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaking, Speaking of Incredulux
and who we just mentioned, I 

457
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,760
want to talk about the Saucony 
Hurricane 26, which might be my 

458
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,560
stability shoe of the year and 
maybe shoe of the year right 

459
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,000
now. 
I've got gosh, 60, maybe 70 

460
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,240
miles on my pair. 
It's been really, we haven't 

461
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,880
written the review yet just 
because I had so much going on, 

462
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,080
but I'm going to try to get to 
it this week. 

463
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,640
I'm going to try to get the 860 
and the the hurricane reviews 

464
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,160
done this week. 
But yeah, we've gotten some good

465
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,840
miles. 
Also durability. 

466
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,800
This is my left shoe crushing it
just like the last version. 

467
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,920
I think this version is even 
better and holding on super, 

468
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,600
super well. 
Upper fit is a little bit wider 

469
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,440
than the last version. 
I I didn't the last two 

470
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,720
versions. 
It felt like weirdly 

471
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,920
aggressively tapered in the 
forefoot, then widening right in

472
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,440
the toe box and widening the 
forefoot. 

473
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,920
It's much better. 
Still not the widest thing on 

474
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,440
the market. 
There's a tiny taper, but it's 

475
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,800
better and upper fits really 
nicely padded heels. 

476
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,640
It's not bothering me. 6mm drop,
which I've been wearing this 

477
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,200
shoe with a heel lift in it 
because it is lower drop just 

478
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,480
was able to get out of that 
today on a hilly long run and 

479
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,560
did absolutely fine. 
So really nice rocker 

480
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,440
transition. 
Heel is got a little bit larger 

481
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,720
bevel than the last time. 
It doesn't stick out as much. 

482
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,800
So the heel stuff is it's the 
heels less clunky than prior 

483
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,000
version. 
Somebody's mentioned that I'm 

484
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,560
like, Yep, but man, the Incredi 
Lux makes the shoe. 

485
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,600
I think outside of that, a lot 
of the the kind of geometry of 

486
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,880
the mid soles very similar where
you got kind of this almost like

487
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,640
wedge type design. 
There's two layers, the Incredi 

488
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080
Lux and then power run. 
I think in the bottom layer, 

489
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,720
which kind of comes up on the 
medial side to create this like 

490
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,000
medial post slash wedge. 
And yeah, it does feel like my 

491
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,240
heel is sitting out a little bit
inverted, but it feels so much 

492
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,400
more stable in the previous 
version, because the last 

493
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,000
version was kind of mushy and I 
I didn't like that. 

494
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800
I ran a ton in it because I'm 
like, hey, it's a super foam 

495
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,440
stability shoe. 
We don't got a lot of those. 

496
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,000
So let's let's see we can get 
out of this. 

497
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,720
And it did fine, but I felt like
it was mild stability. 

498
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,280
This goes back and gets you a 
responsive ride and moderate 

499
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,440
stability in the heel, which is 
really, really nice. 

500
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,600
So I've in the heel midfoot. 
So I've really enjoyed this 

501
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,440
shoe. 
It can easily pick up the pace. 

502
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,600
It's kind of like the Triumph 24
where it's like you want to pick

503
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,680
up the pace. 
It's responsive, it's bouncy, It

504
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,560
can do that. 
It may not be the best shoe for 

505
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,320
like fast intervals, but man, if
you want something, we were like

506
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,600
stability, our super shoes 
aren't stable enough for me. 

507
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,840
There's not stability racing 
shoes. 

508
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,440
I'm going to. 
I still need to do a video. 

509
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,320
There are three potential 
candidates. 

510
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,960
But if even those aren't, if you
really need stable in like shoe 

511
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,880
to do a long race in, this is 
great. 

512
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,360
I've done a good number of 
workouts in it and it's been 

513
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,120
like banger. 
So yeah, I really enjoying the 

514
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,640
shoe. 
And so you think the foam change

515
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,600
was just a massive, massive 
upgrade and it's one of the 

516
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,920
lightest stability shoes out 
there? 

517
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,640
We don't have that many. 
I think the socketty no, the 

518
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:07,120
ultra experience form. 
Am I saying the rate? 

519
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,320
No, the the no, the flow, I'm 
sorry, the flow St. the 

520
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,520
experience flow St. is the only 
other one that's in the 8 oz 

521
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,160
range. 
This I believe is the second 

522
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,120
lightest one that's on the US 
market because something is 

523
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:22,400
sitting behind me that isn't in 
the US market and I'm not 

524
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,960
supposed to talk. 
I mean, I've done a review on 

525
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,960
it, but like The Tempest 3 back 
here, I mean, it does exist, 

526
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,200
it's just not available in the 
US so I guess we can't talk 

527
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,240
about it. 
But yeah, so light on the US 

528
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,560
market, one of the lightest 
ones, which is really nice and 

529
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,520
still got a lot of foam under 
foot. 

530
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,120
It's like 41 on the heel, 35 of 
the forefoot. 

531
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,920
And it might have said that 
wrong, so apologies. 

532
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,960
But I'm really enjoying the 
shoe. 

533
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,560
It's been really solid. 
Certified Banger. 

534
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,880
Yeah, trying to keep up with the
lingo nowadays. 

535
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,240
You want to don't sue us for not
making that official. 

536
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,120
Oh man, so next one here. 
I've got the Innovate Trailfly 0

537
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,560
version 2. 
Now I've worn this a little bit,

538
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,800
I just haven't run in it yet. 
I will be running in it very 

539
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,680
shortly. 
So now we have the Ultimates of 

540
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,120
done, you know, and then I'm 
going to have the Triumph done 

541
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,360
this week. 
The next shoe immediately on the

542
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,600
docket is the Innovate Trailfly 
and then the other shoe I'll be 

543
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,760
talking about after this. 
So much more lower profile. 

544
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
It's a trail shoe. 
It's meant to go a little bit 

545
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,960
quicker on the trails. 
Tread is full contact. 

546
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280
It's very grippy. 
I've worn it for some hikes. 

547
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,080
It's been nice for that. 
The fit's pretty nice. 

548
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,000
You have a very wide 4 foot 
volumes, a little bit lower, but

549
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,960
security is good. 
I didn't have any issue with 

550
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,880
pressure. 
It just feels secure. 

551
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,480
Like it's definitely a little 
bit more of a performance type 

552
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,160
of fit where it's just just the 
lockdown is very noticeable. 

553
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,040
Outside of that 4 foot space you
have, everything else is like 

554
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,400
pretty tight. 
I was a little nervous about my 

555
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,960
heel initially, quite the 
opposite where it's like a 

556
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,200
narrower fitting, tighter 
fitting. 

557
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,080
But once I like walked around in
it a little bit, it opened up 

558
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,160
and it was fine. 
So that was good. 

559
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,640
I was a little nervous about 
that, but I have no hesitation 

560
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,680
running in this coming up. 
It's got like moderate 

561
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,760
flexibility when you load it. 
It's got a little bit more of a 

562
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,000
natural feel to it when you're 
running very firm midsole. 

563
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,080
This is not going to be a plush 
shoe by any means. 

564
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,800
This is a very like connected to
the ground type of shoe. 

565
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,800
So if you're looking for that, 
this can do that. 

566
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,640
Don't be too discouraged. 
The mid foot looks a little 

567
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,200
narrow here, but I didn't seem 
to have any issues standing, 

568
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,360
walking, hiking. 
I think the really firm midsole 

569
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,960
helps with that. 
And and what's offsets at in all

570
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,160
their models, like the mid 
foot's very narrow, but what 

571
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,840
offsets it is because it 
actually wraps up and there's a 

572
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,200
pretty significant sidewall and 
all their models on that shoe, 

573
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,600
but it's not stable for sure. 
It's not stable. 

574
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,960
It's not unstable. 
It's really meant to be like 

575
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,520
extension of the foot connect to
the ground. 

576
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,120
And for those that don't know 
Innovate, they're based out of 

577
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,520
the UK and they are kind of 
meant for what's called fell 

578
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,920
running, where it's kind of A, 
it's light trail running, but 

579
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,080
it's also a make your own 
adventure type situation where 

580
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040
you're just trying to get from 
point A to point B and you got 

581
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,440
to get through a variety of like
wetland, highland kind of stuff 

582
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,120
and work your way through it 
where there's not always a lot 

583
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,120
of traction. 
I'm always really impressed with

584
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,680
Innovate because even though the
lugs oftentimes aren't that 

585
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,160
deep, the traction always is 
really good. 

586
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,120
It sticks really well on a 
variety of surfaces. 

587
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,880
And I'm always like, the lugs 
aren't that deep. 

588
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,560
How good can this be? 
And it's like, Nope, actually, 

589
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,200
it does a half a pretty decent 
job. 

590
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,240
So kudos to them on that on a 
variety of surfaces, not just 

591
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,040
one. 
If you do need deep, deep, deep 

592
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640
lugs for like really deep mud, 
obviously you have to have deep 

593
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,000
lugs. 
But like most of the majority of

594
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,520
other things, just great wet, 
wet rock. 

595
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Any that got grass, Yeah. 
And the upper has a lot of 

596
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,440
reinforcement too. 
That makes a lot of sense with 

597
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,120
what you're saying in terms of 
like, make your own adventure. 

598
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,040
I actually did not know that 
about the company. 

599
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,720
It's not the light, they're not 
overly like they feel nimble. 

600
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,800
It's not if you put them on a 
scale. 

601
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
They're not the lightest shoes 
for sure, but they feel nimble 

602
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,680
and they have a lot of pretty 
good lockdown in structure. 

603
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,600
Yeah, it's, I mean, like you 
said, it's like an extension of 

604
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,000
the foot almost just enough 
cushion to have you do whatever 

605
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,720
you're doing and pretty much 
exclusive to the trail. 

606
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,920
So if you're running in grass, 
mud like it should be fine, you 

607
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,680
know, you have some give to the 
ground as well. 

608
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,360
So but yeah, that'll be coming 
up next. 

609
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,240
So I'll definitely put some more
technical type footing trail 

610
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,680
runs for that shoe. 
Yep, but what do you got? 

611
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,080
I have a surprise from Under 
Armour and all thanks to Will 

612
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,160
Thompson, who's a really cool 
person, and the whole team over 

613
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
there. 
They were nice enough to send me

614
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,640
a pair, get me a pair of the 
Under Armour Velocity distance. 

615
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,920
So I've done a lot of running in
the Velocity Elite. 

616
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,840
I have version three. 
I put a ton of miles on it. 

617
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,000
We have the review up, should 
give it some St. cred as Sharon 

618
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960
Loki, just one Boston in it not 
too long ago, which we're going 

619
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680
to talk about that in a second. 
So it can definitely do its 

620
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,840
thing. 
I think Under Armour is starting

621
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,880
to move ahead. 
They're not not exactly, I think

622
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,120
exactly where they need to be, 
but they're picking up steam and

623
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,680
there's some really cool stuff 
that I'm very excited for them 

624
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,640
to debut in the next years so 
that I can't talk about. 

625
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
But this has been a surprising 
shoe. 

626
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,720
I didn't know what to expect 
with this, but it's got several 

627
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,240
layers of Hover Plus and then I 
can't remember what this 

628
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,240
additional material is, but this
it was supposed to be soft and I

629
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,640
was like, ah, it's probably not 
going to be soft. 

630
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,480
It's actually kind of soft and 
it's kind of soft and 

631
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,080
responsive, but I wasn't 
expecting that. 

632
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,200
I'm like I said, every time, 
every marketing teams like it's 

633
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,320
soft, I'm like, it's going to be
firm. 

634
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,280
But I was like, oh, it's that's 
kind of nice. 

635
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,520
All right, great classic Under 
Armour. 

636
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,320
A lot of the shoes are a teeny 
bit lower drop. 

637
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,800
So it's a 6mm drop. 
So my Achilles has just been 

638
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,160
it'll be more comfortable with 
this and little bit more wide 

639
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440
fit. 
So not not the widest fit, but 

640
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,680
it's an interesting combination 
of being a little bit higher 

641
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,040
volume and a little bit wider. 
So there's plenty of room in 

642
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,240
that area. 
It's very easy to lock down the 

643
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,800
shoe. 
The uppers, Under Armour uppers 

644
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,600
are usually really good, very 
comfortable fit. 

645
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,880
I've worn this and walked around
in this all day, it's been 

646
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,560
great. 
Have a couple runs in it as 

647
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,960
well. 
Heel does good. 

648
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,520
There's a thicker heel counter 
in this, but they've done some 

649
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,680
pretty good padding and again, 
they extend things back instead 

650
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,200
of pushing the heel, which is 
really nice. 

651
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,320
Heel bevel is fairly decent. 
Transitions night was eaten 

652
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
nicely. 
Been just a good shoe for 

653
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,760
mileage and that's what it's 
meant for mileage long runs. 

654
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,360
And as my Achilles gets better 
and better, I'm going to keep 

655
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,280
working with getting this more 
miles on this shoe. 

656
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,320
But it's been surprising and 
durability is is quite good. 

657
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,880
This they got a lot of rubber on
the bottom. 

658
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Not a light shoe. 
It's a little over 10 oz, but 

659
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,640
durable. 
Just a good daily shoe that a 

660
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560
little super foam to give you 
some pop in your step. 

661
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,120
So it's been nice. 
I've been really, I've been 

662
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,160
actually impressed. 
Nice. 

663
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,800
Well, I've got one. 
Oh no, I've got two more here, 

664
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,000
depending how many we have left.
Do you have more left? 

665
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,360
I. 
Have one more that I'll talk 

666
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,440
about, so we'll go back and 
forth. 

667
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,400
OK. 
Then I'll go one more here with 

668
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,400
the Brooks Ghost 18. 
So this is obviously a 

669
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,560
continuation of the Ghost line, 
which is their flagship neutral 

670
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,880
trainer. 
I feel like the Ghost is kind of

671
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,540
the shoe you think of when you 
think of a traditional quote UN 

672
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:11,040
quote running shoe, you know, 
not really a rocker design. 

673
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,920
They have like ever so slight 
rounding, but it's not much. 

674
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,080
There's a little bit of 
flexibility up front when 

675
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,880
loaded. 
There's some flex grooves there.

676
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,360
The foam's a little bit firmer, 
but it's enough cushioning to do

677
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,240
what you need to do. 
It's never been a flashy shoe, 

678
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
but it's a consistent shoe and 
it's a it's one that a lot of 

679
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,120
people do well with. 
And it's a great shoe for a lot 

680
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,800
of people who are looking to 
enter the running space where 

681
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,920
they they just want a shoe to 
just get the job done and see 

682
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,160
and then they can go from there.
Right. 

683
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,680
Like find a shoe that just works
and then find something else in 

684
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,400
the future or not, you know, if 
you really like it. 

685
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,840
But yeah, the DNA loft is pretty
good. 

686
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,400
I've stood around, I take it to 
work. 

687
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,400
I've walked around in it. 
I just haven't quite running it 

688
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,280
yet because of the Triumph miles
I'm getting. 

689
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,240
But this will be next on the 
docket. 

690
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,600
I'm excited. 
I think it'll be good. 

691
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,600
I don't know exactly why the 
last few Brooks models, the 

692
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,400
volumes been getting lower, so 
the fits a little bit more snug 

693
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,920
up top, but not problematic. 
I mean, the tongue is a lot more

694
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,960
padded, a little bit warmer. 
It reminds me of the Glycerin 

695
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Max 2 tongue for some reason. 
The upper isn't like the rest of

696
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,400
it though. 
It's not like that's super plush

697
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,720
warm. 
It's just the tongue that 

698
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,560
reminds me of that. 
But yeah, it's it's good. 

699
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,080
I think. 
I think it'll be a nice shoe, 

700
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Yeah. 
I like it a lot better now. 

701
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,560
That's a 10 1/2 and I've been 
able to get more miles in that 

702
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,480
shoe instead of a 10. 
So that's been really helpful. 

703
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,280
Yeah, much more snug than like 
they're getting more and more 

704
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,360
snug. 
They usually actually fit a 

705
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,120
teeny bit wide. 
Now it's kind of on the more 

706
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,280
like performance snug. 
What's interesting about the 

707
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Ghost, especially in this realm 
is 2 things. 

708
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720
One this version, the last 
version definitely firmed up a 

709
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,360
little bit and got a little bit 
more snappy. 

710
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,640
So I think like the high school 
college runner that wants a 

711
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,080
little bit of a do it all shoe 
that's not like a super doesn't 

712
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,800
have a super foam in it. 
Just more like standard daily 

713
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,040
trainer or the new runner just 
looking to get into something 

714
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,160
and have something that still 
can turn over a little bit. 

715
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,720
It can do that. 
It's not the most responsive 

716
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,080
shoe on the world in the on the 
on the planet, but the little 

717
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,960
bit firmer, snappier mode sole 
is nice and it's lighter, which 

718
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,840
is nice. 
The really big dividing factor 

719
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800
on this shoe right now for the 
team, which if you've heard 

720
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Andrew complain about this is 
the sidewalls are really 

721
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,520
significant in this model like a
lot more than previous enough 

722
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,160
that I'm calling this stable 
neutral. 

723
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,880
If you can hold up the outsole 
again, you can also see in the 

724
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,040
bottom, like classically a very 
subtle guidance method is when 

725
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,400
you have outsole material on the
medial and not lateral side that

726
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120
will especially it's pretty firm
because outsole material adds 

727
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,440
firmness and stiffness to the 
under foot feel that will create

728
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,160
a little bit lateral bias. 
So I can understand why she's 

729
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,400
getting annoyed by it, but I 
also understand why I kind of 

730
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,120
like it. 
So be aware that that is a 

731
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,320
thing. 
If you're kind of sense of the 

732
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,240
side walls, that may not work. 
If you like them, it might be a 

733
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040
really good simple option. 
Again, it's still 10mm drop. 

734
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,920
It's down from the 12 of the 
prior versions. 

735
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Last version was also ten. 
Well, if you need a teeny bit 

736
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,560
higher drop, also a really a 
really great thing. 

737
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,640
Hey, can we? 
We were going to do a true like 

738
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,840
factor fiction episode, but I'm 
going to throw a little thing in

739
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,360
there because we decided to go a
different direction because we 

740
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,239
are improvising as always. 
And one of the things was like 

741
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,080
talking about budget shoes as so
fact or fiction. 

742
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,159
If you are a new runner, you 
should always get a budget shoe 

743
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,440
just just to find out if you 
actually like running or not. 

744
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Do you think that's true or not?
I would say, OK, so I mean, if I

745
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,000
had, if I was forced to choose 
right, the fact or fiction, 

746
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,840
Yeah, I would say fiction only 
because my disclaimer on this 

747
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,040
would be I would choose either 
something flagship and down. 

748
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,639
Yeah. 
So like if we're saying budget, 

749
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,199
that would toss out the Nike 
peg, that would toss out the 

750
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,719
Brooks Ghost, that would toss 
out the Saucony ride, Mizuno 

751
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,760
Wave Rider, you know, like all 
of these kind of traditionally 

752
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,680
just base level shoes. 
Not that the budgets are bad per

753
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,240
SE. 
Like it's not like the wind flow

754
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,560
is horrible or like the the Nike
wind flow that is, or let's say 

755
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,040
the Brooks Revel. 
Yeah, there's different models 

756
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,840
out there that are lower in 
price point that aren't awful, 

757
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,640
right? 
They're just not like amazing. 

758
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,280
So you could totally go with the
budget shoe and be OK, but I 

759
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
think I would just go to a 
running shop and just try a few 

760
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,640
things on. 
Or if you don't have a local 

761
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,920
running store or you don't feel 
comfortable going into one, you 

762
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,520
can always go into a big box 
store if you have like a Dick's 

763
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,120
Sporting Goods or you have 
something larger that you want 

764
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,680
to go try on the wall. 
But the big thing is that it 

765
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,440
works for you and it's 
comfortable and you get your 

766
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,800
foot out the door and you just 
try doing the thing you know, 

767
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,520
and you're not really going to 
know until you do it. 

768
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,480
So I'm not going to say it's 
mandatory. 

769
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,600
You know that it's something 
that you have to go budget 

770
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,920
because if there's one that's 
like $20 more and it feels 

771
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,120
better like at the end of the 
day, like if that's going to be 

772
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,720
the shoe you wear for quite a 
while, like the 20 bucks is 

773
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,320
negligible at that point. 
And you could even walk around 

774
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,160
and run it. 
You're probably, if you're just 

775
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,200
getting into it, you're probably
using it for other things too. 

776
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,040
So right, I think value wise you
would be OK not getting the 

777
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,960
budget in those situations. 
So that would be my answer. 

778
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,120
So. 
I would totally agree with you. 

779
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,560
I think like the flagship models
are the best to do. 

780
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,720
I would not do super trainers. 
I would not even like probably 

781
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,640
pull you away from the really 
premium stuff. 

782
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,600
I mean like, yeah, it's nice, 
but kind of figure out before 

783
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,120
you spend that kind of dollar 
like are you interested in this 

784
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,360
thing? 
The flagship models are great 

785
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,040
and they're great place to 
start. 

786
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,720
There are some good budget shoes
and I'm realizing when you talk 

787
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,280
about the Rebel Brooks, I know 
you all listen. 

788
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,840
I was really curious in the 
Rebel Max what happened That 

789
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,880
shoe, it's out. 
Can I can we test it? 

790
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,400
I'm really curious because 
Rebels been a solid shoe, but 

791
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,880
yeah, I forgot that that came 
out anyway, So yeah, I would 

792
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,440
agree with you. 
I think Flagship models are 

793
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,320
really good. 
A place to start. 

794
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520
The budget models, a lot of them
are actually pretty decent. 

795
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,120
So not a bad place to start 
either. 

796
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,040
But flagship is a really good 
place because. 

797
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Would you consider Adidas ADI 
0SL? 

798
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,480
Would that that be budget or no?
No, it's 150 bucks. 

799
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,320
It's just a great deal for the 
shoe. 

800
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,200
I would. 
No, no, no or not the OR, sorry.

801
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,800
The Yeah yeah Addy 0SL, not Addy
0 Evo SL. 

802
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Oh, it's a great question, yeah.
Oh, that one's 1:20 or 1:30 I 

803
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,560
think. 
Well, hold on, Adidas Eddy 0SL. 

804
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,720
It does still exist. 
It does. 

805
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,320
They're on the second version 
I've been. 

806
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Waiting for version 3 because 
version 2 is pretty popular. 

807
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,880
Yeah, I mean, yeah, man, what 
happened to version 3? 

808
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,960
I've been waiting for that 
forever. 

809
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,080
What happened? 
To Evo. 

810
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,760
SL took the world by storm and 
then they were like, I don't 

811
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,440
know, we need that. 
The Evo. 

812
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,440
The Evo SL was awesome. 
It was a performance trader man.

813
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,240
It's been 2 years since that 
came out so. 

814
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,520
It looks like retail is 130 on 
the SL2. 

815
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,040
Yeah, but you can find that out 
of much. 

816
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,080
You just find that. 
Super. 

817
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,640
Cheap. 
Yeah, you can find it for like 

818
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,480
50-60 bucks. 
I've seen that. 

819
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,760
I don't know, I categorize that 
as like a performance shoe, but 

820
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,520
I guess tactically by today's 
standards for what the price you

821
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,480
can find it maybe, but it's a 
great shoe. 

822
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,360
The second, the second version, 
the 1st and 2nd versions were 

823
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,120
great. 
I really enjoyed those. 

824
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,560
I guess technically that's crazy
that tech they're saying that 

825
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,800
100 twenty $130.00 shoes are now
the budget models, which I was 

826
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,320
telling somebody this the other 
day. 

827
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,360
And this is going to make me 
sound old, but like I remember 

828
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,880
back in the day when I was 
working and running retail and 

829
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,960
shoes started to hit 100 bucks 
and we're like, this is nuts. 

830
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,680
And we thought the Adidas Takumi
Sen from Japan retailing at 160 

831
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,280
bucks was wild for a racing 
shoe. 

832
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,320
And here we are. 
Now here we are. 

833
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Yeah, I remember that was like 
$500 race flying right where it 

834
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,600
was like, oh, if you've paid 
$100, it was a quote UN quote 

835
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,920
good running. 
Yeah, it was a good running. 

836
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400
It was. 
And maybe some of the premium 

837
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,000
your, your glycerin, your 
triumph, your whatever else you 

838
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,320
know was your Nimbus Kiano, 
though all those things were 

839
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,920
like 120 bucks, 130 bucks. 
Right. 

840
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,360
And then, then they. 
Slowly moved up to 150 now 

841
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,440
they're A170180 and you're like 
wow the shoe price. 

842
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,000
So anyway, sorry off topic is I 
complain about finances. 

843
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,680
What else do you got? 
Yeah, this is Price Segway into 

844
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,880
the weekend, but what's? 
Oh, wait. 

845
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Wait, wait, so you just did that
one? 

846
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Is it my turn? 
Yeah. 

847
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Do you have one more? 
I have. 

848
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,480
One more. 
OK, my bad, my bad. 

849
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,360
So positives and negatives. 
I have the Soccate Andorford 

850
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,000
Elite three I'm. 
Curious about that. 

851
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,960
I just did a race and that race 
did not go well. 

852
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,000
And there's a couple other 
reasons it didn't go well. 

853
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,480
One, I definitely didn't taper. 
I just went into, I'd like the 

854
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,240
two days before did this like 
hard, super hilly run just 

855
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,040
because I had some Regina and 
Isabella. 

856
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,480
My wife and daughter flew down 
to California, so I had it was 

857
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,280
on my own. 
Dropped them off, came back, had

858
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,880
the morning off because I had 
all my faculty meetings in the 

859
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,400
afternoon because we're in 
finals week and I'm like what's 

860
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,400
going to go run where I want 
which means I'm going up the 

861
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,880
hills and so hilly run, lots of 
elevation change. 

862
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Came back, did a shorter run the
next day. 

863
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680
But of course it's the end of 
the semester and all the stress 

864
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,640
is coming like come and do it 
like So of course woke up super 

865
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,360
sick and this is yesterday and 
I'm like I really need to test 

866
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,080
the shoe. 
I just paid $70.00 for a 10K. 

867
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,760
Don't get me started with that. 
I'm like, well, I spent 70 

868
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,560
bucks, so I'm going to go do 
this because I was like, I'm 

869
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,000
going to like, I'm on my own. 
Let me go try to get a raise. 

870
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,960
That's not that bad by today's 
no, but I kind of look at it 

871
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,440
like $10 per mile roughly and 
change give or take. 

872
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,280
Yeah, so I did the lake, Lake 
Oswego 10K, which is a really 

873
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,840
hilly course, and I was trying 
to give myself some grace going,

874
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,960
hey, you're sick. 
Like I woke up sick, sore 

875
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,600
throat, not feeling great. 
Just go out there, do your best.

876
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,160
I've only done one run in this 
shoe outside. 

877
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,840
It was a workout with the 
stroller. 

878
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,280
Every other run has been in the 
morning because the majority of 

879
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880
my workouts right now are done 
on a treadmill because I get up 

880
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,320
really early. 
Isabel and Regina are still 

881
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,000
asleep and so if they wake up on
time, I'll do something with 

882
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,880
them. 
But a lot of times my classes 

883
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,680
start really early and even 
though they don't start till 

884
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,160
eight, I got to be ready by 
7:30. 

885
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,800
So I'm, you know, either on my 
treadmill or I'm at George Fox 

886
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,280
like at like 5/30, 6:00 in the 
morning getting some miles in. 

887
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,600
So because it's still dark and I
want to run a little faster and 

888
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,720
I've probably been overtraining 
and over pushing the treadmill, 

889
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,560
which is another story. 
I've done mostly treadmill with 

890
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,040
this. 
And so I was like, I want to see

891
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040
what these do in a race effort 
on the road. 

892
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,760
And for me they didn't do very 
well. 

893
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,200
I think the, the the course is 
very hilly. 

894
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
The road is fairly cambered. 
And I didn't think about that 

895
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,040
till I saw it. 
I went oh, so the foam the 

896
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Incredi run is very responsive. 
It is better than the last 

897
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,640
version, which the last version 
was mushy and like I didn't get 

898
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,840
a lot of bounce out of it. 
It was a nice shoe that I think 

899
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000
for people with stable 
mechanics, I just want a soft 

900
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,520
lighter shoe. 
I just didn't like it was so it 

901
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,760
was so biased medially, 
laterally, they were so wobbly. 

902
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,960
Didn't like it. 
This shoe is better if you're 

903
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,880
running in a straight line on 
flat ground, it's great. 

904
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960
It's bouncy. 
As soon as you have to turn or 

905
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,160
deal with any elevation change 
or Campbell roads, you're going 

906
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,680
to struggle. 
My foot was just my hips. 

907
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,880
Ironically, my feet weren't that
bad. 

908
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,200
I think the side walls, it's not
as unstable as you would expect.

909
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,840
My hips had to work so hard 
because it is still a soft shoe.

910
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,480
It's not as responsive as it is 
soft. 

911
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,080
It's bouncy. 
If you're running like kind of 

912
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,800
like slower to moderate pace, 
it's actually really pleasant. 

913
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,280
I think long runs in the shoe I 
done 1 long run that was 

914
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,400
actually the workout was an up 
tempo long run in the shoe. 

915
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,560
It did great. 
We were running on flat in a 

916
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,040
straight line was great. 
And if you're, if you are 

917
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,600
someone that like gets off the 
ground really quick and has a 

918
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,440
very low ground contact time, 
this might be for you if you 

919
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,840
want a really soft shoe. 
But if you have stability needs 

920
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,880
and you do better with firmer 
responsive shoes, which I do, 

921
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,440
and you're running on a like 
cambered road or that's hilly, 

922
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,040
it just didn't it didn't do 
great. 

923
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,400
So I ran probably the slowest 
10K I've ever run in my life and

924
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,280
had a pity party afterwards and 
was not very happy because I'm 

925
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,640
already kind of emotionally not 
a great place anyway, but have 

926
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,440
bounced back and just yeah, it's
an extreme shoe. 

927
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,280
Still. 
It is by far the softest super 

928
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,960
shoe on the market in my 
opinion. 

929
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,200
If that's something you want, 
great. 

930
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560
It is more friendly than the 
last version I think. 

931
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,880
The bounce I handles easy and 
quicker, running very well for 

932
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,240
going really fast for what I 
want, where I want something 

933
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,880
that really bounce snaps really 
quick. 

934
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,720
It's it's more friendly than 
that as they're sure there's 

935
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,440
lots of fast people running 
really quick times in that. 

936
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,160
That's great. 
It just anybody with stability 

937
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,280
needs want something a little 
firmer. 

938
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,480
It's just not that. 
I will say though, this upper is

939
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,440
bomb. 
This is one of the best uppers I

940
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,840
think I've experienced No heel 
counter fit is really nice. 

941
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,760
It just disappears like I didn't
notice the upper at all the 

942
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,760
entire race. 
I noticed the midsole I'm like 

943
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,840
struggling to stay on the 
platform as my hips were getting

944
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,080
like desperate looking for 
stability on this course. 

945
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,600
So yeah, that's that's it. 
I guess I don't need to do a 

946
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,000
race review now separately, it's
in there so. 

947
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,600
That's it. 
Put it in the tag. 

948
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,560
We're getting all of the above 
in this episode. 

949
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,920
It's like. 
The durability has been fine. 

950
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,360
This is my left shoe. 
I haven't torn off the out so 

951
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,640
yet. 
So it's embedded in there, which

952
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,400
I think was a much better idea. 
Oftentimes when you have this 

953
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,160
lip sticking out too much, like 
they elevated this so I can, he 

954
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,440
does this for sometimes in the 
midfoot. 

955
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,880
They have this slight elevation 
right here a lot frequently more

956
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,480
on the lateral than medial side 
and I haven't cut this off yet, 

957
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
which is really, really nice and
I'm I am a heel striker and I 

958
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,040
still scuff. 
So it's been oh and the other 

959
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,480
thing. 
This is the first time in last 

960
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,560
week. 
My Achilles hasn't bothered me. 

961
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,280
So I think the bounce is enough 
that it offsets it. 

962
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,720
There's no the heel counter 
takes pressure off that it's not

963
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,360
the lowest drop shoe yes, it 
compresses a lot, but very 

964
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,040
rolling bouncy. 
So it for that reason it worked 

965
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,240
very well for other reasons, 
actually run and run a decent 

966
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,520
pace. 
It didn't, but there's also some

967
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,600
confounding variables in terms 
of not being like not getting 

968
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,320
enough sleep. 
I think it's averaged like 5 

969
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,960
hours sleep the last week just 
with finals and everything else.

970
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,960
And so yeah, that's not going to
do well. 

971
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:31,960
Obviously overtraining from a 
pace wise and just stress and 

972
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,880
lots of things going on. 
But yeah, it was an interesting 

973
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,040
going I'm going to try racing in
this shoe because I haven't 

974
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,560
raced in this this series since 
version one because I was like, 

975
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,240
I'm not racing in version 2. 
So I'll have to get another 

976
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,000
race. 
I am I am now over my 

977
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,040
frustration and I'm going to go 
take another shot and really 

978
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,000
want to try another shoe. 
But yeah, that's the race 

979
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,320
report. 
So you're telling me that your 

980
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,440
performance isn't entirely 
dependent on the shoe that 

981
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,120
you're wearing? 
Yes, obviously, but it wouldn't 

982
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,840
be one that I personally would 
choose. 

983
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,640
Again, now that I've had that 
experience going, Yep, that's 

984
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,720
this is I can understand who 
this is going to be for. 

985
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,640
That's not going to be for me. 
For the listener, it's fine. 

986
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,360
What works for you? 
Yep, exactly. 

987
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,600
So I have one more. 
This will be actually a kind of 

988
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,400
a good transition, I think, into
the whole Boston Marathon 

989
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,960
weekends and Team Adidas and 
whatnot. 

990
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:28,320
It's the Adidas Terex Agravic 4.
Yeah, kind of a light strike 

991
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,680
midsole trail shoe. 
I think it's going to be kind of

992
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,560
a bread and butter. 
Just kind of get out and get 

993
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,720
your trail miles. 
Definitely firmer midsole, full 

994
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,720
contact continental outsole, 
pretty streamlined upper, but 

995
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,520
it's not gonna be a speedy trail
shoe. 

996
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,480
It's just gonna be a get it, go 
out there and get it done type 

997
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,960
of like your flagship trainer 
kind of, but for the trails. 

998
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,360
So nothing overly flashy. 
It's just it is what it is. 

999
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,000
It'll be the next trail shoe 
that I do after the Innovate 

1000
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,280
Trail Fly 02. 
I will say that is one of my 

1001
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,480
favorites out of the graphic 
line right now. 

1002
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Not because it's flash, it's not
flashy, but it's very stable. 

1003
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,920
It's firm, it's got significant 
side walls. 

1004
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,000
The grip is really good. 
I would say of all the models 

1005
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,160
I've tested recently, if there 
was really technical terrain, I 

1006
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,000
would pick that one hands down 
because good proprioceptive, 

1007
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,040
like it's still a thick midsole,
but it's firm. 

1008
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,520
It you got really good feedback.
It grips super well. 

1009
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,600
It feels very nimble. 
Even though it's not a light, 

1010
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,840
the lightest shoe, it's very 
nimble and it's very easy to 

1011
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,800
like do quick feet. 
It grips on a variety of 

1012
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,560
surfaces. 
So I'd say a lot of the other 

1013
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,720
stuff I wouldn't do technical 
trails in like especially. 

1014
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Yeah, the speed, yeah, 
definitely not. 

1015
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,480
It was my foot kind of hurt a 
little bit in that one. 

1016
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,400
The Light Strike Pro midsole 
with the really narrow midfoot 

1017
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,880
Like it was fine for most of the
things I did but when I was on 

1018
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,440
like steeper descents I could 
just feel my foot just like. 

1019
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Dude any unstable like and a lot
of firm flat dirt. 

1020
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,960
Great track, great any. 
Kind of flat. 

1021
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,520
Yeah, any kind of undulating 
surface that's even slightly 

1022
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,160
salt like grass, nightmare. 
Softer with any kind of like 

1023
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,520
banking or anything nightmare 
for me. 

1024
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:18,080
So the Agravic 4, great, not 
that problem, just stable, 

1025
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,840
nimble, not soft, very firm. 
But if that's something you 

1026
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,560
like, great. 
Sweet. 

1027
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,360
So that extended segment is 
sponsored by Scratch. 

1028
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,880
Didn't think that was going to 
take that long, but here we are.

1029
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,080
So we're going to get through 
the Boston thing. 

1030
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,200
So this is what happens. 
You let us talk about shoes 48 

1031
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,080
minutes in. 
So that's sponsored by scratch 

1032
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,880
labs, which is our kind of go to
nutrition. 

1033
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,760
They've been really nice to 
support us with a variety of 

1034
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,520
things use their nutrition all 
the time. 

1035
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,440
I'm drinking it right now 
sitting in this 95 plus degree 

1036
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,720
garage to make sure I stay 
hydrated. 

1037
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,400
But if anybody wants any, it's 
you can get a 10% discount if 

1038
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,760
you use the code doctors are 
running all lowercase. 

1039
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,000
One word think that's still 
going on right now. 

1040
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,600
And it's on your first order, I 
believe, which is why I haven't 

1041
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,040
been able to abuse it 
extensively. 

1042
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,160
So yeah. 
But let's talk about Boston. 

1043
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaking of which, and how we're
going to do this. 

1044
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,800
And David, this is David's idea.
We're going to talk about your 

1045
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,960
days in Boston and then talk 
about the shoe you used each 

1046
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,000
day. 
So David, take it away. 

1047
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,400
How did this start? 
What was your experience and 

1048
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,000
what was your shoe of each day? 
Yeah, so I mean, well, it was a 

1049
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,120
full weekend, right? 
So I left on a Friday. 

1050
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,320
I left the Tuesday after the 
race, marathon Monday for Boston

1051
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,000
Marathon. 
So a little, not the most normal

1052
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,320
day to race on. 
You know, usually it's on Sunday

1053
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,480
for the major Rd. races, but 
flew out on Friday. 

1054
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,040
Walking out, you know, they 
seated us with a couple of 

1055
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,200
things leading up to the race 
and I knew that we were going to

1056
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,880
get some things once we got 
there. 

1057
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,440
So I packed somewhat light as 
far as footwear goes, I packed 

1058
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:01,520
my racing shoes, but I also 
packed the I was wearing the 

1059
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Adidas Hyperboost edge, the red 
color way that they had 

1060
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,760
originally sent us. 
So at that time, you know, a lot

1061
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,920
of standing and walking and just
traveling, right? 

1062
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,720
So and going from the West to 
the east, you kind of advanced 

1063
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,160
in time. 
So it good chunk of my day was 

1064
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,560
getting there and then once we 
got there, I checked into the 

1065
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,960
hotel, I went up, they had a 
lovely display of things already

1066
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,480
ready when I opened the door for
my hotel room. 

1067
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,440
And so they had a like a crew 
neck and a jacket and some a 

1068
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,720
variety of things, you know, of 
different apparels and clothing.

1069
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,960
And then they had a couple of 
different shoes that were also 

1070
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,000
there that can extend to either 
running and performance and or 

1071
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,800
recovery and lifestyle. 
So there was a few different 

1072
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,440
things there. 
They had some electrolytes and 

1073
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,520
some mix and some snacks and 
things like that. 

1074
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,280
After that we met in the lobby, 
which was really nice. 

1075
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,080
Go and obviously meet the PR con
coms team for Adidas and also 

1076
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,040
meet a lot of the other people 
who were there for the same 

1077
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,480
trip. 
And so it was a great time, you 

1078
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,880
know, got to meet a lot of new 
people and also reconnect with 

1079
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,600
some old friends and stuff. 
So when I went down to the 

1080
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,520
bottom, met Jeff Dengate with 
running. 

1081
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Oh my gosh, I hope you're 
running warehouse runners. 

1082
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,000
I'm so sorry, Jeff, I don't know
where you work. 

1083
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,760
But anyways, that was my first 
time meeting him in person. 

1084
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,400
So that's the fun thing with a 
lot of these events is where you

1085
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,520
know a lot of these people 
digitally, but you just you 

1086
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,360
haven't put a true face to name 
and you haven't shook their 

1087
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,360
hand. 
You haven't talked to them out 

1088
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,360
of context from any kind of 
digital messaging or whatever. 

1089
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,400
And so it was great to meet him 
and talk to him and then 

1090
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,920
assignment with Heller, with 
Ron, like Heller, talk to her 

1091
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,960
for a bit. 
And then we all walked over to 

1092
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,880
this restaurant, I believe it 
was Rochambeau, which is really 

1093
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,000
close to the finish line over on
Boylston. 

1094
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,200
And we had a nice dinner there 
as a welcome dinner and saw 

1095
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Thomas with Believe in the Run 
over there and sat down and had 

1096
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,920
a nice dinner with the table 
that I was at. 

1097
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,200
There was a couple of members 
from the Supwell team. 

1098
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,920
There was Joanna was there as 
well. 

1099
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,920
We sat right next to each other 
and then to my right, there was 

1100
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,240
some of the people that were 
there with Eric Floberg. 

1101
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,920
And so it was nice to just talk.
And that was also my first time 

1102
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,120
meeting Yoanna in person for the
first time. 

1103
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,040
So it's funny like again, like 
just putting face to the name, 

1104
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,080
picking up where we left off, 
obviously we had the podcast 

1105
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,120
recording with him and have 
known him digitally and he was a

1106
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,400
homie from the first second, you
know, so it was great. 

1107
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,600
And just that was kind of the 
first evening, you know, and 

1108
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,440
then we kind of retired the 
evening kind of late there. 

1109
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,000
You know, we've kind of walked 
back and get to the hotel and 

1110
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,480
then get ready for Saturday 
morning. 

1111
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,840
Yeah. 
And So what you mentioned once, 

1112
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,680
were you wearing the Ultra, not 
the Ultra boost? 

1113
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,280
I keep calling that the 
Hyperboost Edge. 

1114
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,520
Were you wearing that the whole 
time or something else? 

1115
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,640
Yeah. 
So that's a good question. 

1116
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,320
So I wore the Hyperboost Edge 
initially and then I 

1117
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,920
transitioned. 
So I'll talk about this a little

1118
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,160
bit later. 
They gave us a couple shoes and 

1119
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,840
we'll talk about both my walking
across the trip once I was there

1120
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,600
was sprinkled between two 
different shoes. 

1121
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,960
So it was either the Hyperboost 
edge in the blue colorway or the

1122
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,720
Addi 0 Evo SL woven in this 
really bright yellow and blue 

1123
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,560
Boston themed colorway. 
So it was a mixture of both 

1124
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,160
depending on the outfit that I 
was wearing because there was 

1125
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,920
you kind of go out for some 
things, you go back to the 

1126
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,240
hotel, change whatever, you 
know, shower depending on the 

1127
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,560
event and then leave. 
So going out for that dinner, I 

1128
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,200
was wearing the Hyperboost edge 
in the blue colorway and walking

1129
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,240
around. 
Got it. 

1130
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,760
Did you get in the next day? 
Did you get a chance to run in 

1131
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,120
the hyperboost edge? 
Yes. 

1132
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:55,200
So on Sunday is actually when I 
ran in it, but again I was 

1133
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,160
sprinkled between those two 
walking around. 

1134
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,480
For Saturday we went down in the
first thing in the morning. 

1135
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,440
We went down to go cheer on the 
5K for the BAA 5K and that was 

1136
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,320
sick. 
It was fun watching them just 

1137
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,040
RIP it down. 
Royalston the race was won and a

1138
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,720
course record for the road 5K. 
So 2 course records on the 

1139
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,080
weekend, right? 
Because the marathon itself had 

1140
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,720
a course record. 
But yeah, watching, it's so fun 

1141
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,560
watching like a low 13 minute 
road 5K, like they're just 

1142
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,360
cooking on the street and just 
watching them come in. 

1143
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,120
And then just seeing the wave of
Americans coming through as 

1144
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,000
well. 
You know, both men's and women's

1145
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,200
and people that you watch on TV 
and you see them racing in 

1146
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,120
person. 
And it's always fun to be around

1147
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,480
that, even though it's not my 
first time being around that. 

1148
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,520
But it's always fun to just 
watch people that are really 

1149
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,360
good at doing the thing, do the 
thing. 

1150
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:54,840
So we spectated the BAA 5K and 
then after that we went to the 

1151
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Expo and thankfully they were 
able to get us into the Expo a 

1152
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,760
little bit early. 
There was a long line, you know,

1153
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,440
of people waiting to get in. 
So we got our bibs picked out a 

1154
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,080
couple things, you know, to wear
over the weekend as well that 

1155
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,680
were obviously, you know, Adidas
Boston Marathon themed things. 

1156
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,440
I got a super sick Unicorn hat. 
I've been wearing it just about 

1157
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,720
every day since the race. 
It's so cool. 

1158
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
I was going to wear it on the 
podcast, but then obviously we 

1159
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,320
have the rabbit and I want to be
very respectful of our sponsors.

1160
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,400
Even though it doesn't scream 
any three stripes, you know, 

1161
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,160
it's just a Unicorn and it's on 
the back. 

1162
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,520
But I just wanted to be 
respectful. 

1163
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,960
But it's a dark Navy blue with a
white Unicorn. 

1164
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,640
Yeah. 
Awesome. 

1165
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,480
I wore that hat so much. 
So that was where did the Expo 

1166
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,880
and then we went and got brunch 
at a place after that. 

1167
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,560
And then that was super nice. 
I had an ex Benedict there and 

1168
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,960
then we went walking around. 
There was a little bit of 

1169
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,080
downtime after that because then
it was a run her nails event 

1170
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,920
that they were doing in 
partnership with Ashley Mateo's 

1171
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,000
magazine. 
And I was this close to getting 

1172
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,560
my nails done. 
I was, I, I, yeah, it was just 

1173
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,760
because like going right back 
into the clinic space if I like,

1174
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,080
I got, I chickened out. 
That's. 

1175
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,160
Very much like having like 
patients ask me about or my boss

1176
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,160
or whatever, but like I was so 
close to it. 

1177
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,160
And I deeply regret not having 
my nails done because I've never

1178
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,560
had my nails done. 
That would have been a fun 

1179
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,920
experience. 
And it was a Boston thing all 

1180
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,880
themed out. 
So I do regret not doing that. 

1181
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,760
So sorry Ashley that I did not 
attend that. 

1182
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,800
I'm not. 
I wouldn't have done it because,

1183
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,760
and I've gotten lots of comments
about those who watched this 

1184
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,560
before and know that I have 
chronic anxiety and bite through

1185
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,840
all my nails especially when I'm
nervous. 

1186
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,600
So like I would then not do well
with having stuff on my nails. 

1187
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,640
I'm not judging at all. 
So. 

1188
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,680
Yeah, so I, I regret it because 
I, I would have been all or 

1189
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,240
nothing on that one. 
I would have been like, we're 

1190
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,000
doing all the fingers do the 
whole thing. 

1191
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,720
You know, I wouldn't have just 
done like a nail. 

1192
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,600
Yeah. 
So, yeah, I didn't do that. 

1193
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,520
And then, you know, we went out 
for a dinner and that was, that 

1194
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,440
was nice, you know. 
Did you guys? 

1195
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,080
Run that too or you took it off.
That day it took off. 

1196
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,120
It didn't actually run. 
You know, there was a brief 

1197
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,160
moment of time where we could 
have ran, but I actually I did 

1198
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,800
the fit change reel. 
Got it. 

1199
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,600
So that's where I was making 
some content, editing that out 

1200
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,160
and then getting it out for our 
channels. 

1201
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,000
So like when we did have off 
time, that was mostly what I was

1202
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,680
focusing on, taking a look at 
the videos and the photos of 

1203
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,480
that I was taking while I was 
out there. 

1204
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,720
Got it. 
Again, I just want to be really 

1205
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,000
respectful that they brought us 
out there and I just want to try

1206
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,400
and get good quality content out
for them so. 

1207
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,880
So then the next day you did 
run. 

1208
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,200
The next day I did run. 
Yes, got it. 

1209
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,520
And what happened? 
Yeah. 

1210
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,120
Runners weekend where I ran like
twice, yeah, yeah. 

1211
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,320
So then we go into Sunday Shake 
Out Run with Believe in the Run.

1212
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,040
Super cool. 
They brought out these like 

1213
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,360
bikes that people were on and 
they were all branded with 

1214
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,080
Adidas Hyperboost and had a big 
giant Adidas flag and they had a

1215
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,760
truck that was Hyperboost 
sponsor. 

1216
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,920
So they're obviously celebrating
the launch of the Hyperboost 

1217
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,520
still. 
And that was a big reason. 

1218
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,600
That's why I was there, you 
know, So Thomas got on top of 

1219
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,320
the truck, you know, and was 
like talking to everyone and got

1220
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,800
a chant going and then got a 
photo from the top. 

1221
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,280
And then the shake out proceeded
to go to Heartbreak Run Company,

1222
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,000
Heartbreak Hill Running Company.
Heartbreak Running Company. 

1223
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,920
Yeah. 
And that was about a two mile 

1224
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,120
run. 
And it was crazy. 

1225
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,960
The turn out for that was like 
insane. 

1226
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,240
It was, I mean, probably close 
to 1000 people. 

1227
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,760
And we just like straight up 
just took over the streets of 

1228
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Boston. 
Like it was kind of nuts, like 

1229
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,880
an unsanctioned kind of thing, 
you know? 

1230
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,880
But everyone was listening to 
traffic lights and doing the 

1231
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,280
safe and responsible things. 
But yeah, went over there, 

1232
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,000
crossed over the river into 
Cambridge and that's where they 

1233
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,240
were. 
They I ran in the blue colorway.

1234
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,960
And So what did you think? 
What are your thoughts on the 

1235
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,960
Hyperboost? 
Yeah, so this is such an 

1236
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,240
interesting 1, and I think 
written review for the Hyperbose

1237
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,840
Edge came out before I left, 
right. 

1238
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,880
And I was very clear in that 
review that I really liked the 

1239
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,840
midsole. 
I felt like the heel probably 

1240
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,880
could be a little bit smoother. 
You know, there's a little bit 

1241
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,040
of posterior flare, but the 
midsole super lively from like 

1242
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,400
the midfoot forward. 
I really like the way the 

1243
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,800
forefoot engages. 
It's bouncy, it's light like, 

1244
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,120
It's such a fun shoe. 
The upper I think is pretty good

1245
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,120
throughout. 
The only thing with this one is 

1246
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,640
where the heel collar would dig 
into the lateral side of my 

1247
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,760
ankle. 
And I will be. 

1248
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,400
I was pretty harsh. 
I mean not harsh I think I was 

1249
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,560
justified but like the heel 
bevel design was not what I was 

1250
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,840
hoping And I agree I think mid 
foot forward it's it's great. 

1251
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,840
It's very light. 
It's my size 10 is 9.4 oz. 

1252
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,520
So for the amount of foam, 
what's the stack height it's? 

1253
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,040
It's like mid to high 4. 
Oh yeah, you know what 6 I think

1254
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,040
ironically if you look at yeah, 
it's on listed on the bottom, 

1255
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,840
which I just remembered 4539. 
It feels taller than that in my 

1256
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,120
opinion, but there's a lot of 
foam there. 

1257
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,000
It's light for how much foam 
there is and it's very 

1258
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,440
responsive if that heel bevel. 
Better man that this would have 

1259
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,280
been this would have been a like
top shoe, the upper. 

1260
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,200
Yeah, you're right. 
That heel collar is a little 

1261
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,120
aggressive. 
It was it. 

1262
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,240
It didn't bother me too much. 
What I really enjoyed Adidas. 

1263
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,400
Please do this more. 
They do the split like there's 

1264
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,440
no heel counter right in the 
center and it's pushed around 

1265
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,680
it. 
They do a good job with that. 

1266
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,120
Chef's kit, it's wonderful. 
Why do you not do that more? 

1267
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
So I like that a lot in the 
heel. 

1268
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,240
It's just, I did the bevel was 
just like, dude, it's a 45 stack

1269
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,200
height, you've got to have a 
bevel and you can't do a post to

1270
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,160
your flare. 
And so that might have a rant on

1271
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,560
YouTube about that. 
But yeah, I was curious what you

1272
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,600
thought. 
So thankfully, I mean, I don't 

1273
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,320
heel strike quite as hard, so 
it's like a slight little bump 

1274
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,040
that I noticed, but it's not 
that bad. 

1275
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,480
Like it doesn't break the shoe 
for me. 

1276
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,960
Yeah, there's like some rumors 
out there. 

1277
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,320
I don't know if they change the 
collar in between the red and 

1278
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,480
the blue, I have no idea. 
But I didn't seem to have any 

1279
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,280
issues with the collar on this 
model. 

1280
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,400
But even with the red one, I 
played around with it because I 

1281
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,680
knew I was going on this trip. 
I wanted to see if I could make 

1282
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,280
the up the heel collar work. 
And I did find because the 

1283
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,880
lockdown the tongue is gusseted 
and it's like it the volume 

1284
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,120
through the midfoot is pretty 
low. 

1285
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,440
Yes, it is so very secure and. 
Super secure fit. 

1286
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,960
So I found that with the red one
that if I just let it lay the 

1287
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,400
way that it laid and I didn't 
lace it tighter, you know, and I

1288
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,000
just like tied the top off, it 
was fine. 

1289
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,840
And I didn't actually have 
issues anymore. 

1290
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,200
Interesting. 
You know, so I felt like I was 

1291
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,680
talking to someone about this on
the trip and I was like, I feel 

1292
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,760
like I should retroactively go 
in and maybe put a little 

1293
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,440
editors note or something on 
that. 

1294
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,120
Yeah. 
Because yeah, once I wasn't 

1295
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,120
lacing it up as tight like it 
actually was. 

1296
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,120
OK, but for what it's worth, I 
do actually really like the 

1297
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,480
shoe. 
You know, I think the traction 

1298
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,640
is actually surprisingly good. 
It is like a full contact. 

1299
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,520
It's they call it light 
traction. 

1300
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,240
It's kind of similar to the 
Audios Pro 4 and this. 

1301
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,880
Stuff does not die. 
I cannot kill the stuff I've 

1302
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,800
tried. 
And with how soft, well the foam

1303
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,360
is like a it's a different kind 
of soft you have it's a very 

1304
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,760
resilient soft where you get 
that bounce right back from it. 

1305
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,560
It's like a super shoe esque. 
And to my understanding, it is a

1306
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,400
derivative of light strike Pro. 
So that makes sense. 

1307
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:26,080
But you land and then like that 
outsole, you can almost feel it 

1308
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,520
stretch under the under you and 
then it just grips the ground 

1309
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,520
really tight, almost like 
sandpaper where it doesn't feel 

1310
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,880
like that at all when you're 
standing. 

1311
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,160
But then the second you start 
moving, you can feel like it 

1312
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,080
almost grabs the ground. 
So All in all, like with a 

1313
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,200
couple of small modifications 
like you said, this could easily

1314
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,800
be a top contender for shoes. 
I don't think it is this year 

1315
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,560
for me personally, but it's just
a couple things away from being 

1316
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,280
up there. 
There's but there's a lot of 

1317
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,080
potential there. 
I don't think they quite hit it 

1318
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,280
right exactly where they need. 
I think it's there's certain 

1319
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,840
people who land farther forward 
to be great. 

1320
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,040
I think it was my understanding 
when I was talking before the 

1321
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,280
shoe was out for those that what
they were kind of marketing as 

1322
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,000
it was supposed to be like an up
tempo workout shoe for the 

1323
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,360
recreational runner. 
And I think, you know, I'm 

1324
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,200
worried about that heel bevel 
for a lot of people. 

1325
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,000
But the midsole, again, it's not
full on super shoe, but I've 

1326
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,720
done some pretty hard workouts 
in this shoe and I've been 

1327
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,000
really surprised going. 
I wouldn't expect a 9.4 oz shoe 

1328
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,200
to do that for me. 
Or I think it's like high eights

1329
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,480
is the men's size 9. 
But it it, it bounces along 

1330
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,440
quick and it's one of those 
foams where, yeah, I think you 

1331
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,880
hit on the head really well 
where it's not like it 

1332
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,440
compresses. 
It comes, it does, but it comes 

1333
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,600
out of that so quick or like, 
oh, I would like to see more of 

1334
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,280
this. 
I want to see where you all go. 

1335
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,760
It's not where it needs to be 
right now, but there is a lot of

1336
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,600
potential. 
And I think this is a good first

1337
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,480
shot. 
But there are things that need 

1338
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,800
to to move forward. 
And the heel level is should be 

1339
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,200
a non negotiable. 
So I'm still not very forgiving 

1340
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,960
on that, to be honest. 
But anyway, yeah. 

1341
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,200
And then, so then what happened?
Yeah. 

1342
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,720
So after that, then we went to a
Hyperboost styling session that 

1343
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,320
they set up, which was super 
cool. 

1344
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,800
And they had bossy Cassie, who's
a stylist in there to help you 

1345
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,280
pick out some fits. 
And they had some things that 

1346
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,840
were ranging from lifestyle to 
performance. 

1347
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,760
And I got this like brown short 
sleeve from there that I 

1348
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,720
absolutely love. 
I think I'm going to be, it's 

1349
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,880
going to be a staple in my 
running shoe rotation. 

1350
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,160
I believe it's part of the Addy 
365 line. 

1351
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,920
There was a couple of 
collaborations that were in that

1352
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,240
room and I just adore that 
shirt. 

1353
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,000
Like it's crazy. 
I, I, I really like it. 

1354
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,360
I ran in it yesterday and yeah, 
I got like a crew neck and some 

1355
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,520
other things and it was a really
cool experience. 

1356
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,760
Got some glasses that I ended up
wearing for the race. 

1357
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,080
They had like us pick like, you 
know, one pair of glasses and a 

1358
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,160
hat or a beanie, you know, an 
accessory and then the, the 

1359
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,320
apparel things. 
Then they had a pre covering 

1360
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,600
room also as well. 
So after that I went up to my 

1361
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,200
room. 
I relaxed for a little bit. 

1362
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,000
I can't remember if I ate. 
I think I did eat. 

1363
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,880
I think I ordered some room 
service at that time because 

1364
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,320
they had that day intentionally 
a little bit more open for what 

1365
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,520
we wanted to do because the race
was the following day. 

1366
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,200
So I got some food and then yes,
I had like a chicken avocado 

1367
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,040
sandwich. 
That was great. 

1368
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,040
And then I went downstairs to 
the recovery room and it was 

1369
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,600
this Cooper, super cool setting.
You like walk in. 

1370
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,120
It's really dimly lit, but it's 
has these like red backlights 

1371
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,360
everywhere. 
And then everything was like 

1372
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,600
staged really cool. 
You know, I've just was a nice 

1373
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:30,960
thing. 
They had like basically like a 

1374
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,960
line up of different Norma tech 
boots. 

1375
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,560
They had like a foam rolling 
area. 

1376
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,480
They had like an infrared like 
mask you could put over your 

1377
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,200
face if you wanted to do that. 
And then they had like snacks or

1378
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,760
nerves and things like that 
around there. 

1379
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,000
And so I went in the Norma tech 
boots for a little while. 

1380
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,200
I did like a 30 minute just hang
out, relax, kick my legs up and 

1381
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,720
I thought it was nice. 
After that we, I went back up to

1382
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,280
my room and then just kind of 
waited around there wasn't like 

1383
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,040
that much time after that. 
And then had a kind of an early 

1384
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,840
pre race dinner. 
We went to a Italian place, you 

1385
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:09,120
know, had some pasta plates and 
it was great, you know, then 

1386
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,440
went back to the hotel and I 
couldn't sleep. 

1387
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,760
So I thought I was going to be 
able to sleep fine. 

1388
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,480
And it was like, I don't know, I
was just thinking about the race

1389
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,840
and stuff like that, even though
I wasn't going to go run super 

1390
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,280
hard. 
I have, for whatever reason, my 

1391
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,800
think the weekend was getting to
me, not in a bad way, just 

1392
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,760
starting to think about 
everything, you know? 

1393
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,080
And it was, and also like, I'm 
pumping out content and taking 

1394
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,520
photos and videos and doing the 
whole thing. 

1395
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,160
So I think my brain was just 
also on a lot. 

1396
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,080
And somewhere along that entire 
process of talking about all of 

1397
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,120
this, I skipped the Boston Red 
Sox game. 

1398
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,640
It was on Saturday, so we'll 
rewind there. 

1399
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,360
But we went to Fenway Park. 
That was my first time going to 

1400
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,680
Fenway, where I thought it was 
super cool, especially growing 

1401
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,920
up a baseball fan. 
And Tarek Skubal was on the 

1402
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,720
mound for the Tigers, not the 
Red Sox, and made it very, very 

1403
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,600
hard for the Red Sox. 
So unfortunately, they did not 

1404
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,280
win that day. 
When you have arguably the best 

1405
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,400
pitcher in baseball on the mound
that you got to play against, 

1406
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,880
but very fun to go to Fenway and
just kind of see the history of 

1407
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,680
that course and or not course, 
Oh my gosh, that field. 

1408
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,400
A lot of history in Boston. 
Yeah, the history of the course 

1409
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,960
came the, the, the, you know, on
Monday. 

1410
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,480
On Monday, yeah, but very cool. 
Just a very cool experience. 

1411
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,040
Just a great weekend. 
They treated us very well and 

1412
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,680
everyone was very, just very 
nice, hospitable, just very down

1413
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:33,440
to earth people and whether it 
was from the PR comms team or 

1414
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,120
like other creators that were in
the space and people that hung 

1415
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,600
out with and talked with and 
just a really good time, just a 

1416
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,400
very organic time. 
Honestly, it was. 

1417
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,800
It was really cool. 
And so then Marathon Monday. 

1418
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,920
Marathon Monday comes. 
Talk about your shoe choice. 

1419
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,120
Talk about how things went. 
Talk about how things didn't go,

1420
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,480
I guess. 
Or you did go, actually. 

1421
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,440
Actually, you did go, yeah. 
Yeah, so Marathon Monday comes 

1422
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,000
around. 
So, you know, as it should you 

1423
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,520
know, I have my bib was a media 
bib. 

1424
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:12,920
So we start in the back of the 
back, you know, So there was a 

1425
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,200
lot of weaving when the race 
started. 

1426
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:19,880
But before we get there, I chose
to run in the Boston colorway of

1427
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,840
the Adidas Audios Pro 4. 
This is my first time running in

1428
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,640
the Audios Pro 4. 
True to size. 

1429
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,520
Now you had sent me your size 
10's and they worked pretty 

1430
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,920
well, you know, and I liked them
a lot at the time. 

1431
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,960
And I remember I believe it got 
a runner up for shoot the Super 

1432
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,000
shoot of the year for me that 
year. 

1433
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,880
Now I've run in it true to size.
It was a game changer. 

1434
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,520
I actually liked it 
significantly more. 

1435
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,760
The volume's a little low, the 
fit could be touched short. 

1436
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,640
I think that's why you sent it 
to me on the 10. 

1437
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,200
But it worked for me. 
I actually really liked it. 

1438
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,680
I felt like the security of the 
upper was great. 

1439
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:01,000
The platform and the geometry is
a balanced geometry for a super 

1440
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,640
shoe. 
I feel like I can run slow and I

1441
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,319
can run fast, which most super 
shoes. 

1442
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,880
I can't really say that they had
the light traction. 

1443
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,120
Obviously very grippy 
Continental here as well on the 

1444
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,760
front and it was just a solid 
option and I had done a 19 

1445
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,279
Miller leading up to the race in
this exact pair. 

1446
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,920
Always try your shoes before you
race in them, especially for a 

1447
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:27,680
marathon. 
But I did, I did do a when you 

1448
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,479
tell someone advice and you 
don't take it. 

1449
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,040
I did do that to myself and 
we'll get into that. 

1450
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,479
It was not on the shoe end, but 
treated me very, very well. 

1451
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,640
Balance, profile, good 
responsiveness. 

1452
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,479
I really liked it. 
I ended up doing quite a bit of 

1453
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,000
walking and slow running in this
race, unfortunately. 

1454
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,399
We'll talk about that in a 
moment, but it was actually fine

1455
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,960
for that too. 
So I had no qualms on the 

1456
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,840
audios. 
Pro Four choice for myself. 

1457
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,800
I I will say This is why the 
Hyperboost edge was so 

1458
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,840
surprising to me because Adidas 
generally does some of the best 

1459
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,560
heel bubbles where they have. 
It's a great bevel. 

1460
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,360
Perfectly balanced 
posterolateral lateral bevel. 

1461
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,680
Sometimes they met the some of 
the ones have been a little bit 

1462
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,760
too big, which is thrust of the 
people out, which has worked 

1463
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,120
really well for me. 
This one is just like just right

1464
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,880
where it's there, right? 
There's a bevel, it's 

1465
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,640
posterolateral and then the foam
takes the rest of it and it's 

1466
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,840
like really like set up very, 
very nicely, which is why I just

1467
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,920
was surprised to see the. 
Hyperbase Edge. 

1468
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,160
Yeah, but that's just me 
complaining. 

1469
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:29,520
Swing. 
Yeah. 

1470
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,800
So we got there, they have kind 
of an indoor space for us to 

1471
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,840
hang out in 'cause it was the 
we, we were lumped in with like 

1472
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,480
the, the VIP section where they 
have like the indoor space 

1473
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:43,000
before you go to Athletes 
Village and just hung out there 

1474
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,560
until my wave was called. 
And yeah, shout out, good 

1475
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,360
company. 
You know, I was there with Brett

1476
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,200
Williams, Emily Heller, Ashton 
Mateo, and we just hung out, you

1477
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,480
know, it felt like a track meet,
you know, where people are 

1478
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,480
checking in, getting called in 
and you just kind of go in 

1479
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,480
through like slow waves until 
your time comes. 

1480
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,480
And it's like, all right, we're 
going, we're walking over, we're

1481
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,520
doing the thing. 
And so got to the starting line.

1482
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,280
I ran with Brett. 
We shared miles for probably 7 

1483
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,240
or so miles. 
And then he pulled off to go to 

1484
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,320
the bathroom briefly. 
And we had already talked about 

1485
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,400
it before then that like, if he 
pulls off like, it's OK, I can 

1486
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:20,600
keep going, you know, like, and 
so said our goodbyes for the 

1487
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,680
course and then I kept going. 
So many people, like the race is

1488
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,600
crazy, like Boston Marathon. 
So if you've made it this far in

1489
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,120
the podcast, yes. 
Now we're talking about the 

1490
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,480
Boston Marathon 30 + 1000 
people, right? 

1491
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,040
I've never been in a race that 
big before. 

1492
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,560
I've never been in a race that 
loud before. 

1493
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,640
It was insane. 
It was like pretty much from the

1494
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,120
start to finish. 
It felt like community turn out 

1495
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,880
insane. 
People screaming the entire 

1496
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,760
chorus like it was loud to the 
point where I like my ears were 

1497
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,920
almost like whoa, this is a lot.
I'm not used to that. 

1498
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,240
And the beginning because we 
were in the very back, even 

1499
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,240
though I was running 7 something
minute miles, you know, there's 

1500
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,440
a lot of people coming back to 
you. 

1501
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,000
There are some people walking 
and you got to weave through 

1502
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,400
probably 15,000 of those people 
before you have any chance to 

1503
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,560
actually have your own footing. 
So a lot of zigzagging for me. 

1504
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:23,240
The 1st 8 to honestly, yeah, 
first 8 miles for 1/3 of that 

1505
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,840
race roughly. 
I was dodging people actively. 

1506
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,080
So those miles weren't exactly 
the smoothest miles. 

1507
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,840
Just a lot of like, OK, don't 
hit people, just don't fall. 

1508
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,120
Watch your feet slowly move, you
know? 

1509
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,600
OK, I'm at my 5K mark. 
Let me take my nutrition. 

1510
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,080
Just keep going. 
I usually take every 5K. 

1511
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:43,720
Now this is where this gets 
interesting. 

1512
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,640
So normally I use the scratch 
super high carb mix for my 

1513
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,000
fueling for marathons. 
I haven't been doing, if you've 

1514
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,840
been following the channel, you 
know that I kind of toned down 

1515
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,160
the competitive side of my 
running over the last year. 

1516
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,120
Because of that, I haven't been 
doing as many hard efforts. 

1517
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,440
I've still been doing some long 
efforts, but because the 

1518
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:04,120
intensity was a little bit 
lower, I've been using the 

1519
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,040
regular scratch mix. 
Because it was the marathon. 

1520
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,040
I was like, OK, I'm going to go 
back to the high carb. 

1521
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:12,720
I get my bag of high carb, I 
travel with it. 

1522
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:17,120
I get there, I look at the bag 
and I'm like, oh man, I'm close 

1523
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:24,360
to expiration and I got spooked.
We had a supply of Morton that 

1524
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,800
they provided at the race and 
Morton obviously has a great 

1525
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,960
reputation. 
A lot of people use it. 

1526
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,720
A lot of people, it's the thing 
that they can stomach, right? 

1527
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:38,640
So there was some packs of 
Morton 320 and I had enough for 

1528
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,960
both of my soft flasks that I 
use that I keep in my belt. 

1529
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,760
So I decided to roll with the 
Morton. 

1530
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,560
It was a game time decision that
I made literally that morning 

1531
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:53,680
that did not go well for me. 
And it was the trying something 

1532
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,040
new on race day that you 
shouldn't do right? 

1533
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,560
Like and I was, I don't know, I 
feel like I've been running for 

1534
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,440
long enough. 
It probably would be fine. 

1535
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:07,360
I don't know, like my GI system 
could probably take it and I 

1536
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:12,840
usually feel pretty aggressively
if I remember to fuel and give 

1537
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,720
or take every 5K is I'm I'm 
taking it in with the goal of 

1538
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,840
getting one of my soft flasks 
down every half marathon. 

1539
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,960
So by the time I get to 26 I 
have my 2 flasks done and I've 

1540
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,920
now been fueled. 
I don't bonk, everything goes 

1541
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,600
well, hurrah. 
Right? 

1542
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,320
Like that was kind of the plan 
in my head. 

1543
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,400
That plan carried into the half 
marathon mark perfectly. 

1544
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,720
And after that eight mile mark 
too, like I started getting some

1545
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,360
space. 
I let my legs actually open up a

1546
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,760
little bit. 
I was clicking off I think six 

1547
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,680
20s for the next, I don't know, 
maybe 10 or so miles. 

1548
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:47,160
And I was, I got through the 
half and I was looking at the 

1549
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,320
splits and I was like, oh, 
shoot, I might still break 3 

1550
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,400
because we were joking about it,
like whether or not I'm still, 

1551
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,440
I'm going to go run this for fun
and then go break 3. 

1552
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,200
And I was doing the math on it 
and I was like, Oh no, that's 

1553
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:00,920
very realistic. 
Yeah, we got this. 

1554
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:06,000
I think I can do that. 
And then kept going and give or 

1555
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,200
take like mile 15 or 16, I start
to feel like the stomach just 

1556
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,200
not feel great. 
And then you start hitting those

1557
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,720
hills in Newton, you know, where
it kind of starts getting Roly 

1558
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,920
Poly a little bit. 
And I remember going up 

1559
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,920
Heartbreak Hill and the hill 
itself. 

1560
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,680
I don't, I obviously wasn't 
racing it all out. 

1561
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,480
So maybe if I was racing it all 
out, it would have been a 

1562
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:32,360
traumatic hill. 
It didn't feel that bad to me. 

1563
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,960
Like it was a noticeable hill, 
of course, you know, but it 

1564
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,200
wasn't, it didn't feel too bad. 
The hill wasn't actually the 

1565
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,200
issue. 
But I get up to the top of that 

1566
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,040
hill and then I start cresting 
and I think maybe about 800 or 

1567
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,440
so meters past the cresting of 
that hill, my stomach just 

1568
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:53,560
turns, you know, and I'm like, 
oh, no, that's not good. 

1569
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,360
Like that's really not good. 
And we, I happened to just pass 

1570
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:04,520
a port not too long before that 
and I turned around because I 

1571
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,880
knew it was there and I ran to 
the porta potty and I went in 

1572
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,600
there and you can probably 
figure out what happened there. 

1573
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,200
And then I came out, you know, I
probably lost, I don't know, 

1574
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,120
maybe a couple minutes there and
then I started running. 

1575
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,560
Again, I lost a couple pounds 
too. 

1576
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:22,680
Yeah, probably I'm. 
Just. 

1577
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:24,800
Kidding, sorry. 
Over the course of that race, 

1578
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,440
yeah, probably. 
And then I got back on the 

1579
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:30,280
course. 
You know, at Boston, it's such a

1580
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,040
major race, they actually have a
good supply of porta potties, 

1581
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,680
right? 
So give or take every mile I 

1582
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,080
made it to the next one, I had 
to go again. 

1583
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:46,560
You know, I was in that again. 
And I've never had like major GI

1584
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,440
issues mid race before like 
that, or even running for that 

1585
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,040
matter. 
And I was kind of hopeful that 

1586
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,480
like, oh, you get it all out the
first time, I'll be fine, you 

1587
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:56,880
know, and then I'll just level 
back out. 

1588
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,560
And then after the third time I,
I did this became a recurring 

1589
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,280
thing, you know, I shut down the
race. 

1590
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,760
You know, I was like, okay, sub 
3 is gone. 

1591
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:13,680
Like let's just finish this and,
and just soak in the vibes of 

1592
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,400
Boston and everyone who's come 
out. 

1593
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,600
And it's crazy, right? 
You're running through. 

1594
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,880
You see all the college students
coming out, you see all the 

1595
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,760
public coming out, every sports 
bar, every running store that 

1596
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,400
you cross through, like 
everyone's got a party going on.

1597
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,400
And it's, it's, it was such a 
cool thing to see an experience.

1598
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,600
I just wish my tummy felt better
because then it started hurting 

1599
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,920
right? 
Like at that point and it was 

1600
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,200
like every time I start running 
and it just would hurt really 

1601
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,640
bad. 
Like every step, you know, once 

1602
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,040
you go into that flight state 
and like you go in the flight 

1603
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,640
phase of your gait and then you 
land and then when you have that

1604
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,680
loading response on the foot, 
it's just like a jarring force 

1605
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,840
into that stomach. 
And I was like, oh man, that 

1606
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,680
does not feel good. 
And I was like, let me, let's 

1607
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,240
see if it goes away. 
And I tried to go in a little 

1608
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,400
bit longer and then I saw 
Kafuzi. 

1609
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,000
I saw Mike Co and Tommy runs on 
the course. 

1610
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,720
And they were cheering for me. 
So I stopped briefly. 

1611
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,360
I turned around. 
I went to go talk to them really

1612
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,160
briefly because at that point I 
had shut the race down and then 

1613
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,240
started going on my way again, 
you know, after talking to them 

1614
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,400
briefly. 
And then let's like, OK, let's 

1615
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,400
go finish this race. 
And it just got worse and worse 

1616
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,120
from there, you know, and it got
to the point where I was just 

1617
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,520
intermittent walking, you know, 
and like maybe I jog a little 

1618
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,680
bit, but it was mostly walking. 
I started doing the math on it. 

1619
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,600
I was like, I'm probably like a 
mile 22 at this point, maybe, 

1620
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,080
maybe 23. 
And I'm doing the math and I'm 

1621
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,760
like, if I just like walked it 
in, what would my time be? 

1622
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,800
You know, I'm like starting to 
do the math like 20 ish minute 

1623
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:48,000
miles, maybe a bathroom break. 
And I, I just, I, I walk jogged 

1624
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,080
it, you know, from that point 
forward, but it just continued 

1625
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,640
to just keep getting worse, man.
Like, and I hit mile 26. 

1626
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,120
I remember I saw the Citgo sign 
and the crowd was obviously 

1627
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,920
amazing, but I just like, oh 
man, it was hurting. 

1628
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,480
So I was like, OK, I'm going to 
walk. 

1629
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,800
I would never do this otherwise,
but I was like, I'm going to 

1630
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,160
walk mile 26 mostly. 
I mean, if it if the opportunity

1631
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:18,000
comes up, I'll run it, but I'm 
going to walk it, make sure I 

1632
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,000
finish. 
I know I'm going to finish this 

1633
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,360
race if I just don't aggravate 
things, right. 

1634
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,960
So like just keep moving 1 foot 
in front of the other as long as

1635
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:29,280
they don't stop or be OK. 
And then after we got under that

1636
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,400
underpass before the finish, if 
you've run the course, you know 

1637
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,120
what I'm talking about. 
There's like you go, there's a 

1638
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,240
little doopty doop and you go 
down, you come up, you Crest and

1639
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,320
then you hang a right. 
And then there's like kind of a 

1640
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,280
straight away that's there and 
then you hang that left onto 

1641
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,160
Boylston for the finish. 
Made that right. 

1642
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,320
It just wasn't feeling good. 
But I was like, you know what, I

1643
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,200
told myself I'm like, I'm going 
to run Boylston no matter what. 

1644
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,400
No matter how I feel like I'm 
running Boylston, I'm going to 

1645
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,560
finish this race running, you 
know, And there was a couple 

1646
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,720
points on Boylston where I was 
like, shoot like this, like this

1647
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,160
does not feel good. 
And the crazy thing is like I 

1648
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,120
wasn't bonking or anything. 
I was mentally totally there. 

1649
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:10,000
It was just all GI. 
And I was at the point of no 

1650
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,680
return. 
It was just so mad, you know? 

1651
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:16,280
And I, I ran Boylston. 
I saw the Adidas team up in the 

1652
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,240
grandstands as I was coming in. 
Once I saw them I was like. 

1653
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,800
Yeah, let's go, you know. 
Like they were so shocked to see

1654
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,240
that I was like in good spirits 
because they were like, I don't 

1655
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,560
like what happened. 
You know, they weren't sure if I

1656
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,840
went to a Med tent because like 
the splits changed so 

1657
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,760
drastically right where you were
running 6 minute miles and then 

1658
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,880
now it's like 15 minute miles at
some point and you're like, all 

1659
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,360
right, is he going to get to the
next split? 

1660
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,240
I don't actually know. 
Is he is he finishing this 

1661
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,840
thing? 
So, yeah, finished the race, 

1662
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,240
finished the race with good 
spirits, you know, and then when

1663
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,720
got my medal and then I was 
bending over, you know, just 

1664
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,120
grabbed my stomach while I was 
walking everywhere. 

1665
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,240
And I just was not, I was having
a good time mentally. 

1666
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,080
I was not having a good time 
physically, right? 

1667
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,560
Like, and I wasn't letting that 
get to me. 

1668
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,000
Like I wasn't like in bad 
spirits because of that. 

1669
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,080
It's just what the day gave me. 
And it's my own fault, right? 

1670
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:09,880
Like I can and but still good 
spirits, still happy. 

1671
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,640
Still the race was amazing. 
Everything was magical. 

1672
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,520
It was what people say it is, 
you know, and it was cool to see

1673
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,120
it and experience it because 
that was my first Boston 

1674
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,800
Marathon. 
That was my first major, so 

1675
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,280
we'll see. 
You know, I wouldn't mind doing 

1676
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,000
another major in the future. 
Obviously I have to qualify for 

1677
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,280
it. 
I've qualified in the past. 

1678
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,680
I'll probably get a marathon 
time down maybe once a year or 

1679
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,360
so and make sure I can stay in a
qualifying window whenever at 

1680
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,600
all times. 
But it was a great time, you 

1681
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,800
know, and got back to the hotel 
and went to go get went to go 

1682
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,080
just meet up in the lobby real 
quick with everyone and then 

1683
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,760
talk to everyone kind of what 
happened, you know, recap 

1684
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,080
exactly what I just told you. 
And the whole time I'm like, 

1685
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,680
literally just like bent over, 
like head up talking to people, 

1686
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,640
laughing and smiling. 
But I'm like holding my stomach 

1687
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,880
because I can't stand up 
straight because it hurts you. 

1688
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,200
Didn't go to the Med tent at the
end. 

1689
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:11,200
No, I don't know, man. 
I was just happy to be at the 

1690
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:12,200
finish line. 
That's fair. 

1691
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,280
And I went to the hotel room. 
I laid horizontal for like an 

1692
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:22,280
hour, like not doing anything. 
And eventually it kind of 

1693
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,320
started to calm down a little 
bit. 

1694
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,600
Once it was like, OK, we're not 
in a fight or flight alarm state

1695
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,640
anymore, right? 
And it was able to actually 

1696
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,200
relax. 
And I then went down for the 

1697
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:41,400
time that we called for to go 
for our celebration, like early 

1698
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,960
dinner slash lunch. 
Like, I mean, because I started 

1699
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,240
at like 11 something for my race
in the morning. 

1700
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,720
So I didn't finish my race 
until, I don't know, give or 

1701
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,720
take what, 2:00 probably maybe 
even a little later. 

1702
01:22:54,760 --> 01:23:03,040
I ran like 3:30-ish, I think 330
something and then went down to 

1703
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,600
go to the food. 
They're like, oh, you sure you 

1704
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:05,880
want to go? 
Like you could just go to the 

1705
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,080
hotel, I guess. 
Fine. 

1706
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,520
Like we won't take it 
personally. 

1707
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,120
I'm like, no, no, it's good. 
Like I want to go do this like 

1708
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,200
this is. 
That would be nice, you know, 

1709
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,680
And I was starting to feel a 
little bit better and at that 

1710
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,720
point I changed into my next 
shoe. 

1711
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,880
So we got to get into that 
section so. 

1712
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,280
I will say before you continue, 
as someone who has done race 

1713
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,440
medical management for quite 
some time, if you are getting 

1714
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:31,520
that bad of a symptoms, yeah, 
the Med 10 is often overwhelmed,

1715
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,160
but please come check in just to
let the medical staff just 

1716
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,240
screen and make sure nothing 
else is going on. 

1717
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,600
There are medical emergencies 
that do happen in this case and 

1718
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,840
there are some things that can 
occur with GI and stomach type 

1719
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,560
pains that can actually be from 
other things. 

1720
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,800
So please, please, please, I'm 
glad that alleviated David. 

1721
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,920
I'm I'm happy, but it's, it's 
really good. 

1722
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,360
And that's within the staff to 
double check. 

1723
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,600
That's not necessarily like 
that's, that's not something as 

1724
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,920
a PT that that would be on my 
top priority. 

1725
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,880
I would probably get the team 
position over there, but just 

1726
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,680
just in case, always good to get
that stuff checked out, make 

1727
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,440
sure everything's OK. 
Yeah, so race is over, 

1728
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:09,160
everything is good. 
Now it's time to chill. 

1729
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,720
And one of the shoes that they 
provided was the Adidas Pure 

1730
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,280
Chill. 
So that's what I'm holding up 

1731
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,640
for the viewers. 
It's got a pretty cool looking 

1732
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,000
design to it. 
You know, it's like a single 

1733
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,880
piece kind of large soft foam 
very it's like striated. 

1734
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,880
It feels really cool. 
Like you put your foot in there 

1735
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,400
and there's like a compliance to
it where your foot just sits 

1736
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,560
into it. 
But it's not mushy soft either. 

1737
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,320
Like it kind of holds it kind of
like it reminds me a little bit 

1738
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,200
of like the Decker's ex lab 
slides, but a little softer, a 

1739
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,680
little more compliant where you 
you sink into it a little bit 

1740
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,560
more, almost like a trampoline. 
But there's no bounce that you 

1741
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:46,720
get back. 
You just sit in it. 

1742
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,680
And it was really cool. 
So I shuffled around in these 

1743
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,120
after the race, went and got 
lunch. 

1744
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,400
I don't know the stack height or
any of the specs on this. 

1745
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,000
That'd be kind of funny if I 
did, but just kind of a lounging

1746
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,880
shoe. 
And that's what I walked around 

1747
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,600
in for the remainder of time. 
Well, hence the name makes 

1748
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,920
sense, yeah. 
Pure chill and we went and got 

1749
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:09,200
food and it was great. 
We went to Earl's over in the 

1750
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:13,480
Prudential Center, and if you 
haven't been there after the 

1751
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:16,440
race, it was actually a really 
cool vibe because once you got 

1752
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,920
in there, everyone was 
celebrating the race. 

1753
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,400
So I have pretty much every 
person. 

1754
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,800
This wasn't something scripted 
by the employees to my 

1755
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,400
understanding, but maybe it was,
I don't know. 

1756
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,080
But when you walk in and you 
have a medal on, like literally 

1757
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,800
everyone in the restaurant just 
starts cheering. 

1758
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,760
And it was just like a big 
celebration in that place. 

1759
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,080
You know, everyone you know. 
And it was cool because you see 

1760
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,160
some people where they people 
start cheering random strangers,

1761
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,920
not employees, right? 
Like the people that are dining 

1762
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,400
and doing everything. 
And you can just see how much 

1763
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,880
the race meant to some people, 
like some people like they just 

1764
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,960
start breaking down in tears, 
like thank you so much like and 

1765
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,720
it was cool. 
It was a very wholesome 

1766
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:59,280
experience and I would highly 
recommend going there after the 

1767
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,520
race. 
And so I, I rolled the dice a 

1768
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:02,600
little bit. 
I got a burger. 

1769
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:08,760
The burger smacked. 
It was good. 

1770
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,760
It's OK. 
Everything actually, if 

1771
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,680
anything, I actually felt better
because I think I got so much 

1772
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,000
out of me that it felt good to 
just have anything in me, you 

1773
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,160
know. 
So I had a burger, it went OK. 

1774
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,680
I went back to my hotel room, 
said goodbyes, everything, you 

1775
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,840
know, because we're going to 
check out in the morning and go 

1776
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,480
on our ways and travel. 
So yeah, that was that was 

1777
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:31,320
essentially the weekend. 
Got it. 

1778
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,040
Yeah. 
And so, yeah. 

1779
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,560
And if you had to pick a 
favorite shoe of the weekend, 

1780
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,560
what would you choose of the 
ones that you talked about? 

1781
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:46,360
Yeah, I would probably go 
between either the audios Pro 4.

1782
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,320
I already liked it before. 
I really like it now. 

1783
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:53,880
This is a shoe that, I mean, it 
still stands like if I went and 

1784
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,120
was going to go race for APR, 
like this could still be a shoe 

1785
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,440
I could choose. 
You know, it might not be my 

1786
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:02,040
number one on the top list of 
things right now, but it's still

1787
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,240
very much, you know, a 
comparable super shoe with 

1788
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:10,280
what's on the market still. 
So Audios Pro 4 and the pure 

1789
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,600
chill. 
I was joking with Jeff, you 

1790
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,520
know, the whole time I was like,
I think these are growing on me.

1791
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,040
They're growing on me. 
I wasn't sure. 

1792
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,400
I wasn't sold at first. 
It's a little bit looser fitting

1793
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,320
too. 
So it's like you almost got to 

1794
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,000
treat it like a slide that wraps
around your foot. 

1795
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,760
So you would not run the the 
marathon in that shoe. 

1796
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,320
I would not run the marathon in 
the pure chill. 

1797
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,800
Got it. 
Yeah, but I was, we were walking

1798
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,240
around. 
I'm like this is growing on me. 

1799
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,240
I think it's growing on me. 
I think I like it because I 

1800
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,440
wasn't sure at first. 
Got it, you know, now I'm 

1801
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:38,120
wearing it all the time. 
So much of those retail for 

1802
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,720
they're like 75 I think. 
It's not like some $200 shoe. 

1803
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,560
Pure, pure chill, right? 
Adidas Pure chill, Yeah. 

1804
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:54,160
Oh, that's not bad, OK. 75 full 
retail yeah so yeah, just kind 

1805
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,040
of a recovery shoe you know but 
you have to picture like a slide

1806
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,760
the fit's not perfect it's a 
little bit loose it's it's it 

1807
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,800
holds on the forefoot and the 
midfoot heels a little bit loose

1808
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,480
it's it's basically a slide that
wraps around your foot that. 

1809
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,080
Makes sense? 
Yeah. 

1810
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,560
So. 
But yeah, they've grown on me 

1811
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,760
quite a bit, so I'm wearing them
a lot and they kind of look 

1812
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,080
cool, you know, so you can kind 
of have fun with your aesthetics

1813
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,360
and make something Spacey, a 
little lifestyle there. 

1814
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,520
Yeah. 
Great. 

1815
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:27,240
So that is David's Boston recap 
and our what turned into our 

1816
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,080
extended shoe. 
What's in for tested? 

1817
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,480
I think that's the longest in 
for testing we've. 

1818
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:33,160
Oh, for sure. 
You know, it was funny. 

1819
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,520
We were talking in the chat 
before this and we were like, 

1820
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,000
oh, yeah. 
Like if it needs to be a little 

1821
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,320
bit shorter because we just 
don't have the space to fill, 

1822
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,440
that's OK. 
Shoot, this is our longest 

1823
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,560
podcast in a minute. 
In a long time we're we're. 

1824
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,480
About to hit 90 minutes here. 
That's we don't. 

1825
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,960
We usually cut it at 60. 
So yeah, yes. 

1826
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,960
As always, if you made it this 
far, thank you very much as 

1827
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,960
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1828
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,120
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1829
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,400
Wherever you find podcasts, we 
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1830
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,760
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1831
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,200
We also upload onto YouTube 
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1832
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:06,960
So the same thing if you're 
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1833
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,600
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1834
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,560
It's released on Sundays. 
All right. 

1835
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,720
Well, with that, thanks as 
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1836
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,160
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1837
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,720
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1838
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,240
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1839
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:22,400
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