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Hello everybody and welcome to 

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the Doctors of Running podcast 
where we a group of doctors of 

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physical therapy discussed the 
art and science of running and 

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the stuff that we put on our 
feet Today at the round table, 

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we have the founder of Doctors 
of Running, doctor Matthew 

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Klein, we have Doctor David 
Salas and myself I'll be hosting

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I am Nathan Brown and today if 
you have been craving a shoe 

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centric episode, happy day for 
you. 

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That is what we're doing. 
We have the three of us here and

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we are going to be talking all 
about comfort today. 

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We are going to be taking our 
current top five most 

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comfortable shoes and ranking 
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None of us know what the other 
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And so we're going to have a 
live reveal and learning a 

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little bit more about why we 
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comfortable for US versus 
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So again, these are going to be 
the top five most comfortable 

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shoes for each of us. 
But before we talk about our own

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rankings, we want to do a little
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about why we care about comfort 
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So Matt, I'm going to kick it to
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us a rundown of the importance 
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why we care and what we mean by 
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Yeah. 
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something that called the 
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introduced by Ben Omega and many
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decade, I think, since that was 
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It actually may have been. 
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for those of you who don't know 
that looking at purely bio 

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mechanics is not predictive of 
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You know, and for those of you 
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little bit or been doing, you 
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places. 
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them that a lot of people will 
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oh, here's what your gate is. 
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And we have discovered that's 
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actually be more appropriate if 
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If you don't, it doesn't tend to
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might be certain types of 
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you, but just out of the blue, 
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runner, it's not predictive. 
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how people move doesn't take 
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So shoe comfort is probably the 
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that's most predictive of your 
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not meaning a lot of people have
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comfortable thing, you know, the
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That's not it. 
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of ride of all these different 
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That's great. 
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is the current practicality and 
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picking up in a shoe is really 
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technology that especially isn't
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to mostly change based on 
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in the utilization of bio 
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history, comparing biomechanical
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one shoe versus another and 
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over striding, that is going to 
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You've had a lot of 
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running this shoe, you run with 
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just reading something from an 
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Shorten who owns Biomechanica in
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like the article was on energy, 
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term is a is a marketing term. 
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that bio mechanics is very 
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add in was we have the comfort 
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forward by, like you said, Ben 
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way and trying to find a shoe 
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the shoe during your center of 
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the best shoe for you. 
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pathway have all been around the
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much did you need. 
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if you have a certain type of 
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type of shoe. 
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to know which shoe is going to 
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necessarily that answer, but 
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right now. 
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the word definitely, but it 
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right now when it comes. 
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quote UN quote, prevent me from 
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shave off the most. 
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our best route right now. 
I know it's a scary term, what I

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just said. 
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were the most economic for the 
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chose to race in when they knew 
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Matt, what were you going to say
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Just going to be we have to be 
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We talked about this endlessly 
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That's a it's a really 

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difficult and I say that as 
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with my research, I'm doing a 
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which is how you kind of try to 
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They're such a pain. 
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all these things you just have 
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We there's a couple things that 
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you have X history, then yes, 
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preventative, but it's they're 
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prevent an injury, but the wrong
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we're going to start talking 
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comfortable shoes for us from #5
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comfortable shoe. 
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talking about more than just how
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comfortable is the cushioning. 
These are our all-encompassing 

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definitions of comfort for us 
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Again, this goes into, is the 
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4 foot cushioning is the amount 
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Does that feel right for me? 
Is the 4 foot flexibility what I

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Is there, you know, things 
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Is the heel or is the side 
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way you wanted to? 
Like, are there things about the

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So we're going to do a deep dive
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shoes. 
Again, we don't know what we 

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picked, but let's get started. 
David, why don't you kick us 

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off? 
Start with your #5 most 

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something? 
Do we want to talk about the run

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cat or he's going to jump in? 
Why don't you give us a I'll put

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the you're, you're on the clock.
You got 30 seconds on the clock.

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Give us a run, cat. 30 seconds. 
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be based on something called the
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running comfort assessment tool.
It was developed in Australia by

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it was Christopher Bishop as 
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Chris, if you listen. 
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It took all these different 
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of of running footwear and 
brought them down to five big 

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things that are most predictive.
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So if you want to find this, 
it's online and you can use this

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help figure out kind of what 
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And again, it's not more is 
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too much and you find right in 
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So the five things are the four 
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cushioning, the flexibility of 
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working, the overall stability, 
not again, not too unstable, not

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too stable and then too or too 
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So as you're going, as you're 
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of what we're having in mind to 
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And the people on the article 
that are listed are Jonathan 

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Buckley, John Arnold, Adrian 
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So those are shout out to them 
for their for their work. 

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All right, David, let's go to #5
What do you have for your fifth 

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most comfortable shoe? 
I love how you've said like 5th 

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so many times because he knows 
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than 5 next to me so I'm going 
to break the rules anyways. 

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That's what the honorable is. 
Going to be the honorable 

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mentions are for. 
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honourable mention, he said fit.
Holds up 3 shoes. 

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OK, I'm, I'm sorry. 
I'm doing what I always do. 

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One honourable mention. 
It's not going to be listed on 

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everything because I don't 
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The fit's very good. 
It's pretty consistent across 

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so I have a few different models
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This is the the Nexus knit, the 
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I mean, they're just minimal 

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shoes, you know, so it's like, 
I'm not personally going to run 

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in them, but for standing, 
walking, general comfort, the 

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shoes are really comfortable. 
For what it's worth, I'm just 

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not going to run in them. 
So if you want to throw a run 

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cat on them, they're too 
flexible. 

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They don't have enough 
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They have, you know, like it's 
going to hit all of the wrong 

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things and it's going to be 
like, OK, I guess that shoe 

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doesn't work, but it's 
comfortable, so. 

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That's great. 
Not to not to break that open, 

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but yeah, so the any and all of 
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those are three of the ones I 
was counting. 

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So it wasn't we're down to 8. 
We're down to 8. 

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OK, got it. 
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other things that people don't 
take into consideration a lot of

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times is break in. 
So some shoes feel much better 

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as you break them in. 
And unfortunately sometimes you 

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just got to break them in. 
And I and these shoe companies, 

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I, I wish some of these would 
break in sooner. 

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And one of those models for me 
is the Diadora Cellula. 

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This is one of the shoes that 
it, the volume was really low, 

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really tight. 
I honestly wasn't sure if the 

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shoe was even going to work for 
me at all. 

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And as I ran in it, this has 
become one of my favorite shoes.

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And it's really like the volume,
like it broke in, it expanded a 

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little bit. 
It fits my foot well now, you 

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know, but that took probably 30 
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point. 
And even then, like as I kept 

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running in it, it started 
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And then it had a certain point 
where it didn't keep loosening 

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up, you know what I mean? 
Where I like it was like, oh, 

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this is this is that baseball 
glove now, you know, I got my 

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uses in it and now it fits and 
it creases well and I like my 

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usage of the shoe so but it 
wasn't immediate and it it on 

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the truth be told, if it wasn't 
for a review and I wasn't having

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to hit a certain mileage, I 
don't know if I would have 

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walked out of a store with it, 
you know what I mean? 

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But this has been a really nice 
kind of mild stability shoe for 

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me. 
So yeah, that's why I think it 

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deserves an honorable mention. 
But because of all the things I 

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listed, it doesn't make that top
five. 

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Matt, what you got? 
Yeah, what's that? 

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Can I add a? 
Quick question for you to 

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question comment, something I've
actually been struggling with 

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quite a bit the last several 
weeks. 

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We don't do initial reviews 
here. 

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And part of it is we know that 
it takes time for things to 

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break in and also don't we don't
have time to be putting out a 

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billion different videos like 
we're going to do something when

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it's ready to go and things 
change. 

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But I've struggled with because 
I feel like shoes should be 

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advanced enough and they are 
expensive enough that I expect 

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shoes to break in almost like to
feel comfortable right really 

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quick. 
How do you 2 distinguish 

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between, OK, this needs a little
bit more time to break in versus

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I'm moving going on? 
And then there's there's a 

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degree of mystery that just 
sometimes you kind of have to 

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figure out. 
But I'm curious how you 2 

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approach that. 
Yeah, I think that's a fair 

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question. 
I personally, I would like it to

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feel pretty good by like 10 to 
15 miles, two runs. 

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By that third run, if it's not 
feeling very good, it's like, 

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oh, I don't know about this. 
Unfortunately, the cellular did 

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fall into that category right 
where it's like I'm not getting 

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30 miles in two runs unless I'm 
doing a 20 mile maiden run in a 

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10 mile follow up day or 
something, you know, like so 

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that one for reviews sake, you 
know, it ended up being a 

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really, really nice shoe for me 
that I really liked, but it I 

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needed to put that time in. 
But I remember writing that in 

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the reviews too that like it 
shouldn't take this long. 

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Like this is something that 
should have been a little bit 

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nicer. 
Same with the other Diadora 

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model that I received was the V 
7002. 

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That was one of those ones where
it the toe box is still a little

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narrow like so that's why I 
didn't grab it. 

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But like it was one of those 
ones. 

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Again, it felt problematic 
initially, but then it is 

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actually really nice now. 
And if it outside of the four 

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foot thing, it's really, really 
nice. 

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So it's a tough one, but I I 
would probably say like 2 by the

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third run, I should have a 
pretty good feeling about it and

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that should be within 10 to 15 
miles. 

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Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty similar. 
I would say even after the first

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half hour of running, I I notice
whether it's going to be one 

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that's going to change a lot or 
not. 

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I think the one that sticks in 
my mind as one that got better 

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with age was the Boston 10. 
So it was a while ago, but that 

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it was just something about the 
shoe. 

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The upper was just stiff, had no
stretch in it, so you could just

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tell. 
And then it was also a very 

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stiff front to back shoe. 
Both of those things broke in. 

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It was like 50 miles for that 
that one before that one started

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becoming happier. 
And I got, I got like I, I got 

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the lifetime out of that shoe, 
like true lifetime if I were to 

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be purchasing the shoes on my 
own. 

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But yeah, I would say within the
first run usually, I know if 

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it's going to be changing much 
more. 

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Do you have an answer, Matt? 
I'm struggling with that. 

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I I usually can tell it's a 
combination and I've gotten 

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pretty decent, although I'm 
occasionally wrong of the 

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second. 
I put my foot in the shoe and 

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take a couple of steps. 
I have a fairly good idea, but 

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I'm not 100% sure it's gotten. 
It's gotten better and better 

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and better. 
There's and there's still one or

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two that kind of surprise me as 
they break in, but most of the 

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time it's like the first couple 
steps I know if it's going to 

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work. 
I'd agree with that as well, but

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I think that if something's 
going to change, I usually know 

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after the first run under foot. 
I'm thinking upper versus under 

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foot is different though too. 
Like I think I put on a shoe. 

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I put on a shoe yesterday and I 
knew, I just know I'm not going 

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to enjoy it. 
Like and I'm I started, I don't 

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know, I tried even to like use 
it for a day around today. 

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I was like, I know I'm not going
to like this, but I will get the

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training in and we'll see how it
goes. 

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Yeah, it's a lot of like a 
strategy that I've used is like,

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I'll put it on, I'll try walking
in it like. 

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So again, for what we do, like 
we're usually, whether we're 

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teaching or treating, we're 
usually standing quite a bit. 

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So it's a great way to help 
break the chute if it's not 

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fully comfortable. 
And even that sometimes, you 

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know, a lot of times, like, oh, 
this is not going to work. 

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Sweet. 
All right #5 David. 

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Yeah. 
So one more honorable mention. 

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So do you guys have? 
Any honorable mention? 

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I brought 5. 
I understood the assignment. 

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Yes, yes, I I understood the 
assignment, but I don't know, 

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I'm just in my. 
Own what's your number six Sure 

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other honorable mention. 
Yeah, I also want to like 

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preface too. 
So like my comfort list quote UN

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quote here, it also is focused. 
It's a little bit more upper 

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biased than the entire shoe. 
So when I look at the the 

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comfort list that sometimes I do
trade performance or what the 

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goal of using that shoe is for 
comfort if it's still 

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comfortable enough, like within 
a certain means. 

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And what I mean by that is 
there's some shoes later on in 

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this list that can go pretty 
quick, but I just don't quite 

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like them for running easy. 
And so, so a shoe that I may 

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like run easy in that is just 
slightly less comfortable from 

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the upper standpoint or like the
the shoe or walking around 

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running like I, it might score 
lower on the comfort, but it 

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might have been something that I
chose above it at the end of the

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year for daily training or 
something like that based on the

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usage or the goals that I am 
going forward with. 

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The reason why I say that is 
because I feel like the 

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performance in the lightweight 
trainers, some of those might be

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good for certain uses, but then 
sometimes it just loses some of 

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that comfort with easy paces and
things like that. 

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So I just want to preface that 
because the next one is a 

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lightweight trainer and so this 
is the Hyperion Max 2. 

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I think the upper does do pretty
well. 

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It's really comfortable. 
Like there's a good amount of 

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four foot volume, there's a 
decent amount of width. 

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It's really nice. 
But that tongue here, it's not 

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bad. 
It's just like it's a more snug 

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fit and it feels a little bit 
discontinuous with the rest of 

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the shooting Me, I know a lot of
people really love and rave 

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about this upper and it is a 
really good upper. 

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It's still making my list, 
almost almost making my list. 

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But that's kind of the thing. 
It just feels slightly 

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discontinuous and even though it
locks down well and there's a 

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good amount of space, it just 
something just feels a little 

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off about that on on it for me. 
And it's one of those shoes too.

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Again, it kind of fits this Gray
area where it's like I'm not 

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really going to run easy in it. 
I might run long in it. 

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And then if I'm doing like a 
temple run, I guess I'll run the

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temple run in it, but I wouldn't
hit the track in it like for me.

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So there's like some shoes that 
have very specific uses to it. 

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So and I'm trying to take a lot 
of that and toss it in with my 

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choices. 
Matt's making a lot of faces, 

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like the shoe can't run very 
fast or something. 

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Just say I'm just going to keep 
like, like #5. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
OK. 

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All right #5 you guys are not 
going to see this one coming. 

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Merrill Nova 4. 
What? 

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Yeah, yeah, that's what's up. 
Merrill Merrill Nova 4 The 

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Supper the. 
Trail shoe is definitely 

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correct. 
I would the. 

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Trail shoe, Yeah. 
So that's why I kept you guys on

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the on the toes just so I could 
surprise you for number 5, 

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right? 
No, it's a genuine #5 shout out,

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Merrill. 
This shoes awesome. 

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But again, this is one of those 
shoes where it might not win 

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Trail Shoe of the year for me 
for other reasons, but it is 

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awfully comfortable. 
This is one of those shoes where

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it's just and the shoe only cost
like 130 retail. 

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I mean, you can, I think Nate's 
like Googling it right now, but 

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like it's just like so platform 
wise, it's very standard. 

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I mean, it's a very normal kind 
of Eva, just gently rockered 

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shoe, deep flex groove. 
So you have some flexibility to 

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it, some decent sized lugs for 
some traction, but I mean, it's 

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it's nothing overly special in 
that realm, you know, and I 

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think the 1:30 price point is 
pretty fair for the shoe. 

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But the upper, my goodness, it's
spacious, but it locks down 

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well. 
The mesh upper on it is on the 

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softer side for a trail shoe, 
but it doesn't overly stretch 

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either. 
It like actually holds your foot

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in pretty well. 
So and the tongue is padded 

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well, the laces locked down 
really well, like it's just well

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done. 
I feel like the heel collar is 

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decently padded. 
You know, the heel counter 

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doesn't have that much padding, 
but there's enough space. 

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So it locks my foot in well. 
I don't feel like it slides 

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around. 
I don't feel like it jumps 

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around. 
You know, it does its job. 

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It's comfortable. 
I can walk in it, I can hike in 

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it, I can trail run in it. 
Will it win trail run or trail 

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shoe of the year? 
It might not because of a 

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performance edge on another 
shoe. 

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If I'm willing to look the other
way on comfort a little bit, 

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right? 
So that's why I wanted to 

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preface, preface some of that 
earlier. 

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It might end up being an 
honorable mention later in the 

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year. 
Maybe it will win trail shoe of 

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the year. 
I don't know. 

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But it's from a comfort 
standpoint and just putting the 

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shoe on like my goodness, this 
is a nice shoe. 

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So shout out. 
Awesome. 

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I'll go next with my #5 mine is 
the Mizuno Neo Zen and something

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that you're going to notice for 
me is that upper matters, but I 

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actually am biased the other way
in this past year because of my 

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00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,000
foot injury. 
So I am really particular about 

448
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,440
the underneath comfort and 
having the amount and softness 

449
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560
of cushioning really match what 
feels good as well as the amount

450
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,520
of stiffness. 
I found that I can't do 

451
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,360
something super stiff because I 
don't unless the rockers perfect

452
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,720
and then I can't do something 
too flexible either because it 

453
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,240
just gets a little bit that 
irritated. 

454
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,240
So the neo Zen just a little bit
about this shoe. 

455
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,680
It's got their NRZ NXT or next 
foam, which is kind of like a 

456
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,920
feels like a super critical like
TPU. 

457
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,160
If I'm correct you can y'all 
correct me on that. 

458
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,000
I think it's an EDA. 
I think it's. 

459
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,120
Super critical EDA I believe. 
I should remember this for 

460
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,560
getting made fun. 
I believe it's super critical. 

461
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,840
EDA so. 
It's just a really nice amount 

462
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280
of softness under foot and they 
balance it out for me. 

463
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,680
Like stability wise. 
It's wide enough underneath and 

464
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,920
has rubber all the way along the
edges, which kind of stabilizes 

465
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,400
the platform enough for me and 
keeps a bit of of a groove in 

466
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,720
the middle that centers enough. 
And again, it's it's still 

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,520
relatively rigid even though I 
don't believe there's a plate in

468
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,840
this shoe. 
So I really appreciate the under

469
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,960
foot feel, the slight rocker, 
the little bit of flexibility 

470
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,400
just works really well for me. 
The reason why this one isn't 

471
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,000
higher is the upper. 
So it's a booty construction 

472
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,880
upper, which isn't terrible, but
it's not right for me. 

473
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,040
I think that's the risk of any 
booty construction. 

474
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,960
It's like it's either going to 
work for your foot size or it's 

475
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,360
not. 
And for me it works really well 

476
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:34,560
from mid foot forward, but in 
the heel I get some slippage and

477
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,960
there's not a whole lot of 
padding. 

478
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,600
I honestly think if they added 
padding to the heel, it would 

479
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,480
just hold my heel that much 
better. 

480
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,080
But if there's basically no heel
padding, it's a completely 

481
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,320
flexible heel counter. 
But there's, I mean, the mildest

482
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,400
amount of rigidity. 
Excuse me. 

483
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,960
So this is my #5 it's a pretty 
lightweight shoe too. 

484
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,200
And right now I think weight 
also plays a role in comfort for

485
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,320
me. 
And it's so it's 8.5 oz or 240 

486
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,200
grams in my men's size 9. 
Matt, what's yours? 

487
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,760
That's interesting you picked 
the Neo Zen. 

488
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,000
Like, it's not it. 
The shoe doesn't necessarily 

489
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,920
match me, but it's on my top 
five list of best lightweight 

490
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,720
trainers so far in the last few 
months that I think Mizuna did a

491
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,400
great job. 
It doesn't. 

492
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,680
It doesn't necessarily match me,
but I can appreciate matching 

493
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,000
the general population. 
Anyway, all five of my shoes, by

494
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,400
the way, I realize I've done 100
mile reviews on. 

495
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,440
Oh, cool. 
If they haven't, that's great. 

496
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,640
All of them. 
Well, one of them I don't think 

497
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,040
we've published on YouTube yet, 
but yeah, I have over 100 miles 

498
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,560
on all these. 
My #5 is going to be, whoa, this

499
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,800
one. 
That's surprising. 

500
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280
See, and that, and I love that 
we're doing this because like, 

501
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,520
that would have never made my 
list. 

502
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,600
Yeah, I know this one wasn't. 
What is it? 

503
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,320
For those who aren't listening. 
Yeah, I literally just listen. 

504
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Max, I got you. 
Listen. 

505
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,760
Max yeah, we both got you. 
Also, we should give Matt a 

506
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,640
break. 
He raced. 

507
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,680
You raced 1/2 marathon today. 
Yeah, with Isabella. 

508
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,320
That was with Isabella. 
Dude, you ran. 

509
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,040
A I didn't even see. 
That you ran a 120 with 

510
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Isabella. 
That's it's literally the 

511
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,840
hardest thing I've ever done. 
Like I think from mile 6 

512
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,760
onwards, I legitimately thought 
I was going to die. 

513
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,240
Like it is at like no, she slept
through like 11 miles. 

514
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,080
He was awake the first mile. 
That was his steep uphill. 

515
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,040
And then we went back down and I
was like trying to go through 

516
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,120
gravel and then she just knocked
out and I'm like like hitting 

517
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,560
like 550 miles with her and 
she's just sleeping. 

518
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960
I have to bend over while I'm 
running and pull down the 

519
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,200
stroller so she's can like lean 
backs or her heads not off to 

520
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,040
the side. 
I was just like man wife, like 

521
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,400
there's a recent research 
article that that talked about 

522
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
they did some studies on runners
and found that there is actual 

523
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,200
brain damage that's reversible, 
reversible brain damage that 

524
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,320
happens after longer racing. 
And I have always felt that. 

525
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,720
But like this is the longest 
race I've done in a while and I 

526
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,080
feel it. 
I cannot think. 

527
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Today has been like Regina and I
have been wrecked. 

528
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,920
It's like laying on the floor 
all trying to entertain Isabella

529
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,080
after this. 
Who won? 

530
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,400
What do you mean? 
We did Regina race too. 

531
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,920
Yeah, she did. 
She got second. 

532
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Well, but between you 2. 
I did, yeah. 

533
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,400
She started out way ahead of me 
and I think she went a little 

534
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,720
bit fast, but I think Mao was 
like about 3 1/2. 

535
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,280
I passed her and I told her come
with me. 

536
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,640
She's like. 
Oh no, we're not too hot on 1/2.

537
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,800
That's not a fight. 
We both. 

538
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,040
Did that is a. 
Long, long way to go, yeah. 

539
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Yeah. 
So kudos to everybody out there 

540
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,240
that did the Vernonia Banks half
marathon and marathon. 

541
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,160
But yeah, my legs, my brain is 
trapped. 

542
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,640
I had to go walk with Isabella 
earlier and she like started 

543
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,960
sprinting and I almost anyway. 
So because I can't think and I 

544
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,280
have this shoe that I have the 
Glycerin Max that I have almost 

545
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,920
200 miles on and I can't 
remember the name, which is 

546
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840
great. 
The reason is #5 it is 

547
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,840
definitely on the list. 
It's it to me. 

548
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,080
It worked very well and I know a
lot of people, the stiffness 

549
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,520
probably didn't work as well 
that I actually liked just 

550
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,560
because sometimes it just like a
little bit stiffer ride 

551
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,880
depending on what I'm doing. 
The cushioning was great. 

552
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,560
It definitely wasn't too soft, 
although I think that's what 

553
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,640
they were trying to do with the 
DNA tuned. 

554
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,160
It worked just kind of fit. 
It just worked really, really 

555
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,400
well for me. 
Just for whatever reason. 

556
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,400
Yeah, it was just right. 
For whatever reason. 

557
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,440
My only reason I'm keeping it #5
is the upper. 

558
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,840
Everything was great except the 
toe box. 

559
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,080
It just felt a teeny bit short, 
which I was able to overcome 

560
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,560
just because it was everything 
else. 

561
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,920
So, so comfortable. 
But I did get some toe bruising.

562
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,120
So I would suggest people like 
this, you might want to consider

563
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,360
1/2 size up if you're between 
sizes, which I am. 

564
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,120
I'm between A10 and a 10 1/2 
now, so I should have gone up a 

565
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,480
half size, but I didn't. 
I still got 100 miles on this, 

566
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560
but that's my number for five. 
They did a good job. 

567
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,880
Also not on the list. 
The durability is is awesome. 

568
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,680
This is my left shoe. 
There's still like, that's 

569
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,440
incredible, this. 
Is still attached because it's 

570
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,080
crazy and for those if you want 
to go look on Strava or 

571
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560
wherever, if you want to see 
what I did to my pair of Alpha 

572
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,840
Flight threes this morning, the 
heel came off at mile 2 and I 

573
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,640
have cut through about half of 
the midsole. 

574
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,480
How many miles is that again? 
Total for what? 

575
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,240
For this 150. 
It's honestly how it is. 

576
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,520
I know it's kind of like super 
blast level. 

577
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,160
Yeah. 
This guy like shreds out so yeah

578
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,720
before 3rd. 
That's crazy. 

579
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,120
I know. 
That's great. 

580
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,040
Oh yeah, Vimero. 
Yeah, for those. 

581
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,640
Vimero 18 didn't even make it to
40 miles before I ripped it. 

582
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,440
I knew based on the. 
I love that. 

583
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,280
Like BJ too was like, yeah, he 
was just like, oh, I would love 

584
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,760
to see someone drive through 
this. 

585
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,760
And Klein was like, hold my 
insert beverage. 

586
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
What's? 
Amazing on man hold that hold 

587
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,000
that outsole back up is usually 
when they have the shortened 

588
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,840
like podular heel. 
Matt rips those. 

589
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,040
That's what rips off because of 
where he hits it. 

590
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,120
But that's that is incredible. 
Yeah, I don't know how what 

591
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,120
magic they have. 
It doesn't even look like it's 

592
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,000
worn that. 
Much. 

593
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,440
No, it really it's not. 
I mean, I've got 150 miles, but 

594
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,880
there's like nowhere like even. 
Like well hey if it works for 

595
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,480
your mechanics I mean the price 
might be worth it then. 

596
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,240
Has the ride been holding? 
Up. 

597
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,480
Yeah, it's pretty much 
maintained exactly the same, 

598
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,520
which. 
Yeah, I mean, I mean because 

599
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,160
what's 200 ish retail? 
Yeah, I think so, 200. 

600
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Expensive SO. 
Yeah, shoe, but I mean if it can

601
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,040
last. 
It better it better last though.

602
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,760
That's probably better. 
Yeah. 

603
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Yeah. 
I mean, that's probably like 600

604
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,640
miles than anyone else. 
So #4 I'm gonna start for this 

605
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,840
one because I talk about these 
shoes. 

606
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Can anyone guess? 
I talk about the shoe a lot. 

607
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Typically. 
If you had to guess, not a topo 

608
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,600
shoe. 
Actually. 

609
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,560
No, it is a topo shoe. 
Psych. 

610
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,240
It's topo. 
It's the new Phantom 4. 

611
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,760
I just did. 
I don't know, you like straight 

612
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,800
up was like it's not a topo. 
I talk about this shoe a lot 

613
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,720
like can you guys guess it? 
Both of us guess it and you're 

614
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,080
like, no, that's not it. 
Oh. 

615
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640
Wait, yeah. 
Sorry Topo, just. 

616
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Kidding. 
Phantom 4, The Phantom 4 is 

617
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,760
their newest version of the 
Phantom coming out just this 

618
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,960
year. 
It is. 

619
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,600
I'm just looking at the the 
specs here. 

620
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,640
So it's a 5mm drop. 
It's 9.3 ounces in my men's size

621
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,360
9. 
They say that it's zip foam. 

622
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,640
They don't say that it's new, a 
new name, but it's definitely a 

623
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,280
new blend of zip foam, 
significantly softer than the 

624
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,880
Phantom 3. 
They've also changed a good 

625
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,520
amount about the design. 
They have a little bit more of 

626
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,360
an extended heel, but they've 
also extended the bevel. 

627
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,000
So I didn't find it to be 
obtrusive to have the heel, 

628
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,240
unlike some other models that 
they have where they put a 

629
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,400
bigger kind of posterior heel 
flare. 

630
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,200
They've got this one beveled 
decently and it has a lot of the

631
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,920
same DNA of the previous 
version. 

632
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,480
I am in love with uppers from 
Topo. 

633
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,640
They have the best midfoot 
lockdown. 

634
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240
They have the perfect amount, 
perfect amount of thickness in 

635
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,440
the tongue and they stay in 
place. 

636
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,800
They also have the perfect 
amount of padding around the 

637
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,120
heel. 
It just locks in so nice and 

638
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,440
then opens up in the forefoot. 
So from an upper comfort 

639
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,720
standpoint, this one rivals like
the Magnify 4 which is a couple 

640
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,720
versions ago, but I loved that 
upper. 

641
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,920
That is my all time most 
comfortable shoe, especially 

642
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,080
upper. 
So I think that they did a great

643
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,800
job with the upper of this shoe.
The reason that it's #4 and not 

644
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,040
higher is because of the on foot
feel. 

645
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,520
I have not been a huge fan of 
their Ortho light inserts. 

646
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,640
They wrap on both sides of the 
foot and I get just the 

647
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,440
slightest amount of irritation 
on my fifth Met whenever I wear 

648
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,400
them for long stuff. 
So I just have a little bit of 

649
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,960
that caging and kind of the 
sidewall, a little bit of work 

650
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,320
just as slightly irritating, 
just kind of it's so slight, 

651
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,000
slight, slight amount of 
pressure. 

652
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280
So that's what doesn't work 
exactly for me. 

653
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,960
But the amount of cushioning is 
actually better for me than last

654
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,880
year. 
I loved the Phantom 3. 

655
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,600
It hit my like in my Trainer of 
the year category stuff, but 

656
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,080
it's just slightly softer, which
I like. 

657
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,520
Again, slightly flexible here in
the forefoot and even more 

658
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,000
flexible than last year a little
bit because of the softness of 

659
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,280
the foam. 
But they did change the rubber 

660
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,440
outsole to add some stiffness. 
So I think that they did a nice 

661
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,360
job balancing the shoe out. 
But that's my #4 David, you want

662
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,080
to go next? 
Yeah, I can go with the next one

663
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,200
here. 
So this one it kind of is along 

664
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080
the same lines as I was saying 
earlier with the Hyperion Max 2 

665
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
where there's just like kind of 
like niche uses for it. 

666
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,480
And for me personally, upper is 
really comfortable, though it's 

667
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600
spacious, it's soft, it's 
surprisingly plush for how airy 

668
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,920
it is, and that's the ASICS Nova
glass 5 and there's a decent 

669
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,640
amount of four foot width and 
volume. 

670
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,880
It fits well. 
Heel collars plush for how light

671
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,520
it is like everything about it 
is comfortable. 

672
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,400
You know, nothing is 
uncomfortable. 

673
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,960
There's plenty of cushioning 
under foot, but that Blast Max 

674
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,000
just has a little bit more 
balance than I want it to for my

675
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,280
daily running. 
And so it's like if I'm not 

676
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,000
doing some kind of a long run or
like a tempo run or something, I

677
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,520
just don't really opt for it for
my daily runs. 

678
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,400
But that doesn't mean it's not a
nice shoe. 

679
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,600
And I really like it. 
And I know people have done well

680
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080
with durability, traction. 
It's like it's just a solid, 

681
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,480
solid shoe outside of Matt. 
Matt breaks everything. 

682
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,400
So. 
I did not break that shoe. 

683
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,680
That one made it to 100. 
That actually was great 

684
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,080
durability. 
This one made it to 100. 

685
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Great, great. 
There's a little bit too soft 

686
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,240
for me, but it was another. 
I mean also I also took it to 

687
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,600
100 because I know that people 
are going to get a lot of views.

688
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440
What if I uploaded off the file 
review and then I was surprised 

689
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,760
like it survived? 
Shoe is still alive at 100. 

690
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,440
Miles I was like, this is a 
popular. 

691
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Shoe the blast Max it's like 
yeah it's a nice foam and it's 

692
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,480
bouncy, but it's just like I 
just have to hit a certain pace 

693
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,600
for it to feel really nice. 
I feel like it's just a little 

694
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,200
too soft for me at easy paces. 
So for that it's you know, but 

695
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760
otherwise I could see this being
number one for some people. 

696
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,960
I mean, some people really, 
really like this shoe and it's 

697
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,200
like their go too. 
So made the list. 

698
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,880
It's just not my top three. 
Matt, what's your #4? 

699
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Can I make a joke? 
Can we trust you with your brain

700
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,880
as it is? 
I don't. 

701
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Probably not. 
Go for it though. 

702
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,240
We we gotta talk. 
For every joke you make, we get 

703
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,360
to make a sports joke. 
That's fine. 

704
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,880
We got it like, OK, running 
footwork companies. 

705
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,320
We got to talk about your naming
like you got sometimes something

706
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520
like a shoe names are getting 
way too long. 

707
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,440
And then just like the the the 
verbiage and uses behind your 

708
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,560
cushion, your cushioning stuff 
is just like, to me, Blast Max 

709
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,440
sounds like something you take 
if you have GI problems, like if

710
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,440
you're like, you know, like 
backed up a little bit, you 

711
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,040
know, and you're in a hospital, 
you're trying to get, you know, 

712
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,840
that's what it sounds like. 
So I'm. 

713
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Sorry, anyway I'm going to move 
on since no one laughed as usual

714
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,199
and I will go to my #4 so I 
actually remember the name of 

715
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,400
this this. 
Well, I didn't get that one. 

716
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,360
Puma forever on Nitro 2 I did 
not like version one. 

717
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,800
I honestly hated it It's I had 
such high hopes for it and 

718
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,760
there's some really good 
biomechanical things that I 

719
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,040
think you know might work for 
certain people, but just the 

720
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,440
upper the heel transition stunk 
version 2 is so much better. 

721
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,800
There are still some mild upper 
issues, but just the cushioning 

722
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,800
and I'm going to try to stick 
with the run cat this time to 

723
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,560
talk about since I introduced 
this, which you think I'd 

724
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,800
reference it. 
So heel cushioning really good. 

725
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,920
Some Puma. 
Puma does a really good job with

726
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840
a lot of their foams and despite
this being a little bit heavier,

727
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,920
it's definitely the training 
category and has moved out of 

728
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
that lightweight trainer 
category that version 1 had. 

729
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,520
The cushioning is great. 
It's bouncy. 

730
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,640
It's not kind of dead. 
It it'll move you along. 

731
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
I've been surprised I've been 
able to do some up tempo stuff 

732
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,560
in this, although it's not 
really what it's meant for. 

733
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,680
I didn't really know notice the 
10mm drop. 

734
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,240
It transitions really smooth. 
I do notice though that it takes

735
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,960
like a mile to get used to the 
guidance in this shoe and then 

736
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960
it's great. 
So stability is spot on for me. 

737
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,880
If you need mild stability 
guidance, maybe almost up to 

738
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,720
moderate, this is going to be 
really great. 

739
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,760
It's just enough and I just have
to get used to it. 

740
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,120
But cushioning heel 4 foot just 
right each way stability breaks 

741
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,720
and it's really nice. 
Upper is a little bit wider, the

742
00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:00,160
volume is a little low and I do 
notice the what's called power 

743
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,080
print here whenever this shoe 
just takes a second to break in 

744
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000
every single run, I've always 
noticed this upper and then it 

745
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,600
just disappears. 
It's like a mile and every time 

746
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,680
and I'm like, yeah, why did I 
like this kind of feels weird 

747
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,160
and then it just boom, it's just
almost like it just fits all of 

748
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,480
a sudden really well great. 
I can continue on for miles. 

749
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Been a really good long run 
shoe, but a really, really good 

750
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,560
option for those with stability 
needs that are almost the full 

751
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,280
length of the shoe because it is
designed to have some guidance 

752
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,720
to all the way into the 
forefoot. 

753
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,680
It is a it is centered. 
It's a little more biased to 

754
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,200
pushing you lateral based on 
some of the mechanisms here, but

755
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,800
overall very centered shoe that 
does a really, really good job. 

756
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,040
So overall comfort like almost 
there. 

757
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,160
I think the upper just takes a 
second to break in but that's 

758
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,080
why it's my number 4. 
But still another one I got 100 

759
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,200
miles on and this is my left. 
Shoe amazing. 

760
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,960
That's so good. 
All right, we are down to #3 

761
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,400
I'll go first on this one just 
because it's our first duplicate

762
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880
of the day. 
So my number 3 is also the Nova 

763
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,640
Blast five. 
So the, the I would echo a lot 

764
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,680
of what David said, except 
compared to both of you, I 

765
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,920
experienced the softness of the 
shoe differently. 

766
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,800
I didn't find it to be overly 
soft. 

767
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
I, David and I David. 
And I tend to. 

768
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,840
Not have the same experience of 
what soft is in shoes, which as 

769
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,400
we've talked about before on the
podcast, people experienced how 

770
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,720
soft something is very 
differently based on how you 

771
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,760
load the shoe and your mechanic.
So that's to be expected. 

772
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,280
So I actually find this one not 
to be firm, but firmer than some

773
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,960
of the other shoes that I've put
out here. 

774
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,720
I actually find it to be firmer 
than the Phantom 4, firmer than 

775
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,440
the Neo Zen and firmer than one 
of the other shoes that I have 

776
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,280
on the list here for me, but I I
love the comfort of this shoe. 

777
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,960
I think that again, the padding 
around the heel, the tongue 

778
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,280
locks down really well without 
any biting and it's opened 

779
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920
enough in the forefoot. 
I think if if they just opened 

780
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,080
it the slightest bit more, I 
would find it even more 

781
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,720
comfortable. 
And then the only part that 

782
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,440
gives it a knock of like being a
top like it. 

783
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,280
The reason it didn't pass these 
other one is that slight 

784
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,040
narrowness in the forefoot. 
It's not narrow. 

785
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,360
It's got room, but it could be 
opened a little bit and then the

786
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,960
heel width is there. 
But the fact that it's so wide 

787
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,080
in the heel for me with where I 
land, it can feel a little 

788
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,160
clunky in my transition. 
So from a comfort of like moving

789
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,840
forward in the shoe, which goes 
into performance, I just, I feel

790
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,840
like if I'm going and getting 
lazy, kind of throws me sideways

791
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,000
a little bit, which is not my 
favorite thing. 

792
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,920
So that's my #3 Matt, what you 
got? 

793
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,760
I think that's some of the stuff
I feel with the slower paces 

794
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,800
too. 
The heel, when I start going a 

795
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200
little quicker, I don't hit it 
quite the same and then it 

796
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,720
smoothens out a little bit, 
yeah. 

797
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,800
This is slightly off topic but 
relevant. 

798
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,520
At some point we'll have to do a
podcast on why we think people 

799
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,760
perceive shoes differently. 
I have some unique theories and 

800
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440
I know there are people that 
know how to measure what I'm 

801
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,200
talking about. 
I just, I have no idea, but it's

802
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,120
just some interesting thoughts 
that I'm, I'll put that as a 

803
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,480
little like cliffhanger, but my 
number 3 is going to be the 

804
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,680
ASICS Nimbus 27. 
I had a feeling that was going 

805
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,080
to end up on someone's. 
Yes. 

806
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,240
Now I will be honest, I really 
enjoyed this shoe. 

807
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,440
It's great. 
It's it's for me, it's been 

808
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,360
stable, neutral, durability has 
been really, really good. 

809
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,640
I've used it for a variety of 
things. 

810
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,120
It's a little bit on the heavier
side, yeah, but fortunately it's

811
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,880
a little firmer, which is really
weird for a Nimbus. 

812
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,120
So a lot of people haven't like 
this as much. 

813
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
That's actually what makes me 
love it because the the previous

814
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,960
two nemesis like it was they 
were just too soft for me to get

815
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,920
mileage in this one. 
You know, I can do some up 

816
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480
temple stuff. 
The fit is really good that the 

817
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,160
toe guard did take a second to 
break in, but it has broken. 

818
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,760
It's much more comfortable. 
It's just a really great shoe 

819
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,240
that I can put on forget and 
just go in like a long run, easy

820
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,760
run, maybe a little up temple 
stuff, which is really not what 

821
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,760
a premium neutral or premium 
neutral shoe is supposed to do. 

822
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,720
It just did and it's been a 
really, really great shoe. 

823
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,000
It's funny, this is the first 
Nimbus in my lifetime and I 

824
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,400
spent years working in running 
stores selling Nimbuses, but 

825
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,720
going this is not a shoe for me 
and all of a sudden it's like 

826
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,200
dude, this is matching me great.
It's been good. 

827
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,200
Also heel bevel, not perfect, 
but it broke in really well. 

828
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,800
And ASICS, you are getting 
better. 

829
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,560
You got work to do, but you are 
getting better which is great. 

830
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,920
Yeah, I'm, I'm happy that made 
the list. 

831
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,200
I was looking at it as a 
potential honorable mention. 

832
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,360
It's funny because a lot of 
things that you said, the 

833
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,600
previous Nimbus models didn't 
agree with me either. 

834
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,160
And if anything I like was like,
oh, my intrinsic foot muscles 

835
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,960
are getting sore because this is
too soft. 

836
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,440
Like I I just can't do this 
shoe. 

837
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,080
But this is like one of the 
first Nimbus models in a while 

838
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,880
that I was like, oh, this is 
this is nice. 

839
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,480
I get it, which is I understand 
it. 

840
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,840
It's. 
Probably like we like a lot of 

841
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,400
us have different tastes and I 
think I don't know how the rest 

842
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,760
of the markets responding to 
this shoe because again, people 

843
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,080
typically expect the Nimbus to 
be very soft, very cushion and 

844
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,840
this one is so different, which 
is, you know, ASICS took takes a

845
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,960
gamble. 
There's a lot of these light 

846
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,360
like the Keano for example, to 
change that significantly is a 

847
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,920
big risk to their consumer base.
So I'm really interested that as

848
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,200
to why they did this with the 
Nimbus, but it's working great 

849
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,640
for me. 
Yeah, does that that. 

850
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Leave you for your #3. 
For my #3 yeah. 

851
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,920
So the next three are going to 
fall a little bit more in daily 

852
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,240
training line. 
And this is as of right now, I'm

853
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,400
still kind of early in testing 
one of these and we might have a

854
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,720
battle as the year goes on, but 
these are going to be kind of 

855
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,720
more my all around comfort kind 
of lie a little bit more in the 

856
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,080
middle, less extremes. 
This one is also going to be a 

857
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,600
repeat. 
You guys have an idea of what 

858
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,360
it's going to be. 
I was. 

859
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Going to say Phantom Topo 
Phantom 4. 

860
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,800
Yep. 
Yeah, Topo Phantom 4I almost hit

861
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,440
you with a Danny Phantom like 
theme song and then I decided 

862
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:48,600
not to. 
The child in me Anyways, the 

863
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,120
Topo Phantom 4 here is my #3 and
I agree, Topo uppers 

864
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,040
traditionally have fit me well. 
You know, whether it was a 

865
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,840
Cyclone 2, even the Spectre 2 
fit me pretty well. 

866
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,400
I know there was like pretty 
polarizing opinions on that 

867
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,280
shoe, but like for the most part
Magnify 4 when that came out 

868
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,920
that was amazing. 
You know, like for the most part

869
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,040
they have agreed with me 
repeatedly. 

870
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,080
And the aura isn't bad either. 
As far as the the stability 

871
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,840
model. 
Didn't quite make the list 

872
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880
today, but I think that is worth
bringing up. 

873
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Like that is a solid shoe and I 
still have it. 

874
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,400
For what it's worth, I haven't. 
Yeah, I would 100% agree on the 

875
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,160
aura that it's actually again, 
yeah, not like the top of the 

876
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,720
top, but it's a solid option and
it's great to see a company 

877
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,680
introduce a stability shoe in a 
time where we're actually losing

878
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,160
them far quicker. 
So good job. 

879
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Yeah. 
And it's. 

880
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Pretty stable, like it's a solid
shoe. 

881
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,560
It was a Medium post, which is 
even more rare so. 

882
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Yeah, well, it has like a 
diagonal kind of like brainy 

883
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,560
posty thing. 
But yeah, I know the aura is 

884
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,160
very nice, but we're talking 
about the phantom. 

885
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,760
So the phantom stable, neutral, 
kind of all your standard stuff,

886
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360
you know, you got your decent 
soul flaring, you've got good 

887
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,400
upper, good lockdown. 
I agree with the midfoot 

888
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,480
lockdown that you talk about. 
They always try to pride 

889
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,000
themselves on that anatomic fit 
where it's a little bit more 

890
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,560
slim through the heel on the 
midfoot holds it real well, but 

891
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,160
gives you a very spacious 
forefoot. 

892
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,960
And I feel like they nailed it 
again, you know, and it's funny 

893
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,280
because like, the heel collar 
really doesn't have any padding,

894
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,400
you know, for how stiff that 
heel counter is, you would think

895
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,080
that would be a little bit more 
padded. 

896
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,680
But I haven't found any rotation
from it. 

897
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,160
So yeah, thankfully, I don't 
know, client might feel 

898
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,280
otherwise. 
Did you get this one? 

899
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,160
No, I have not. 
Yeah, sometimes on those stiffer

900
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,920
heel counters, like if you're 
really sensitive to those that 

901
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,560
this might not be the one, but 
it hasn't bothered me. 

902
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,720
And I feel like it fits like a 
glove. 

903
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,920
Very, very gentle rocker 
profile, nothing too excessive, 

904
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,200
kind of right in the middle. 
I would say like mild to 

905
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,600
moderate flexibility, especially
when it's loaded. 

906
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,400
Just nice. 
You know, I can walk in it, I 

907
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,560
can run in it. 
I will say the zip foam like 

908
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,240
it's it's OK, it's better than 
the previous versions. 

909
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,800
You know, it has a little bit 
more life to it, but it still 

910
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,200
feels like AI mean. 
It's a nice daily training foam,

911
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,840
very consistent. 
You know what to expect from it,

912
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,200
but it doesn't exactly give the 
most life into the shoe. 

913
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,120
But again, from a comfort 
standpoint, that is really nice.

914
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,440
You know what you're getting and
it's a nice, rhythmic, easy day 

915
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,280
shoot. 
Perfect. 

916
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,480
Well, David, why don't you keep 
us rolling down to your number 

917
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,960
2? 
OK, so we're going to number 2, 

918
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,880
so #2 number. 
Two in the six honorable 

919
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,080
mentions that go along. 
Yeah, yeah. 

920
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,840
So honorable mention. 2:00 to. 
2.5 No no no no. 

921
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,400
This one matches my hat though. 
This is the A6 GT 2. 

922
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,040
That had. 
To be 13, so it had to be on one

923
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,280
of them, right? 
But it's on number one. 

924
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,120
That's weird. 
This is my shoe of the year last

925
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,600
year. 
That's nice again, it kind of 

926
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,280
falls in the middle on 
everything. 

927
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,320
It's not overly plush, it's not 
overly firm. 

928
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,000
You know, I think having that 
pure, it's pure gel and blast 

929
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,600
plus, right? 
Yeah Blast plus midsole, but 

930
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,800
there's not as much of it. 
So even though it's kind of a 

931
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,920
softer ish foam, because there's
not as much of it, it still 

932
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,360
feels pretty firm and grounded. 
It just has just a little bit of

933
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,800
give to it and it has a it has a
decent amount of balance through

934
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,160
the forfeit too, which is kind 
of nice, but it doesn't feel 

935
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,560
overly lively either. 
It just feels nice and balanced 

936
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,560
Outsole very good. 
You know high abrasion rubber. 

937
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,000
I mean I I have over 100. 
I'm pretty sure I have to by 

938
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,040
now, right? 
I I haven't actually checked 

939
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,720
lately. 
I did all them manually Now 

940
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
that's weird. 
So I have to total it for you, 

941
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,480
but yeah, I mean, this thing 
basically has like not even a 

942
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,600
dent in it and very, very worn. 
The upper is a little bit snug. 

943
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,720
I probably could be a little bit
more spacious, but it's still 

944
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,520
comfortable and holds my foot 
well. 

945
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,520
The rides really nice and 
balanced, you know, mild to 

946
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,040
moderate flexibility. 
I kind of like having a little 

947
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,520
bit of flexibility in my 
training shoes. 

948
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,440
I don't like it to be super, 
super stiff and it's just 

949
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,280
consistent and it's, you know, I
can fall back on it. 

950
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,280
You know, it's my old reliable, 
so that's my #2 right now. 

951
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,560
And I think it's a nice example 
of a shoe having some 

952
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,600
performance esque feelings to it
in the foam, but not being 

953
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,360
overly bouncy or overly 
responsive in a way where it's 

954
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,480
like, oh, I'm only going to use 
that on a speed day. 

955
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,960
You know, where it's like, oh, 
I'm going to use this for all of

956
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,160
my daily runs and if I wanted to
use it for that, I probably 

957
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,160
could. 
So I think that kind of 

958
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,160
consistent feeling to it is why 
the GT has done so well for me. 

959
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,280
Yeah. 
So that's the A6 GT 2013 Well. 

960
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,000
I'll go next for my #2 is one 
that I don't think y'all will 

961
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280
agree with. 
All right, I'm pretty positive, 

962
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,960
but it's the Saucony Triumph 22.
I think I was the person on our 

963
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,040
team that got along most with 
this shoe as it came out and 

964
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,920
still to this day, it's really 
relaxed in its whole design as 

965
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160
as if you remember this got a an
extreme overhaul. 

966
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,720
They put in kind of the daily 
training tuned power on PB. 

967
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,560
So it has a different foam 
compound. 

968
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,440
It's very wide now throughout 
from the heel to the forefoot. 

969
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,640
They put a soft insole in there.
So it felt very soft, like very 

970
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,920
soft on initial step in. 
It's a little bit firmer than it

971
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,360
feels when you first step into 
it once you actually start 

972
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,560
loading it and it's got a 10mm 
drop. 

973
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,520
And I think part of that, just 
because they were playing with 

974
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,200
PB, they didn't want you to sink
into like negative drop. 

975
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,880
And I think that that was really
smart. 

976
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,560
I think it kept it moving 
forward really well for me. 

977
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,680
But again, they've really 
relaxed this whole upper. 

978
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,400
I don't know whether they're 
going to go with it in the 

979
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,880
second iteration of this, of 
this model, but I actually 

980
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,160
really appreciate kind of the 
relaxed nature of it. 

981
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,680
It's the only premium trainer on
my comfort list. 

982
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,160
It so it comes in at 10.5 ounces
in my men's size 9 all the room 

983
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,080
that I had, but it's still 
locked me down because there's 

984
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,920
plenty of padding in the heel 
that held held it nicely. 

985
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,240
So I wasn't slipping at all with
this shoe. 

986
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,800
And sometimes when the when the 
forefoot is so big and there's a

987
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,240
lot of room, you can kind of get
blistery in the foot. 

988
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,120
And I never had any of those 
issues. 

989
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,480
And this is one of the shoes I 
have most of the most of my 

990
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,080
miles in in the last year. 
So I appreciate the stability 

991
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:10,680
elements to it's stable neutral 
for me and just really dialed in

992
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:16,040
when it comes to give me a a 
kind of premium platform that 

993
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,840
just feels consistent. 
And again, not super flexible 

994
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,600
through the four foot, but some 
flexibility. 

995
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,120
So it matches that amount really
well for me too. 

996
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,000
So this is my #2 could have 
argued for it to be my number 

997
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,600
one from a comfort perspective, 
especially for chill miles. 

998
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,520
Matt, what do you got? 
So I've got a shoe. 

999
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,960
That was a big surprise. 
And it knocked the ASICS GT2000 

1000
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,760
out of my like top stability 
type shoe. 

1001
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,120
It's definitely replaced The 
Tempest because I I'll be very 

1002
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,200
honest Sockney, sorry, I I don't
like The Tempest too narrow. 

1003
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,560
It's too firm. 
I would expect a lot more bounce

1004
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,120
out of it. 
So I'm very hoping for some big 

1005
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,280
changes with The Tempest 3 
whenever that comes out. 

1006
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,880
But my number 2 is the Adidas 
supernova solution too, which is

1007
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,800
interesting because I actually 
bought this on my own. 

1008
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,040
I had some REI gift cards and 
I'm like, I'm wondering about 

1009
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,640
this shoe. 
It's got a Piba based, but like 

1010
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,680
mostly top sole. 
It's it's supposed to be a 

1011
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,200
stability shoe. 
It's lighter. 

1012
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,040
It like it's I think 9.4 oz men 
size 9. 

1013
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,160
So it's definitely like almost 
in that like lightweight 

1014
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,840
trainer, lighter weight 
stability shoe and there's not 

1015
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,640
many of them. 
It's this The Tempest and not a 

1016
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,720
lot of other options out there. 
I think mounted coast P1 is 

1017
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,920
probably one of the few ones 
that actually has a decent 

1018
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,080
amount of midsole with a piva 
based foam that sits there. 

1019
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:39,800
The Brooks Hyperion GTS 2 
doesn't sit there because it's 

1020
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,920
much lower stack. 
It's not APO based foam 

1021
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,320
flexible. 
It's a great shoe, but it's just

1022
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,400
not kind of where we're for 
those that want that have real 

1023
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,680
stabilities going, I want 
something a little lighter that 

1024
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,040
I could even potentially race 
in. 

1025
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,120
This is a great shoe. 
The the dream site plus Mitzel 

1026
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,080
is great. 
It's bouncy, it's soft, unlike 

1027
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,640
it's not mushy soft, it's 
responsive soft, which is 

1028
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,040
really, really nice. 
I've done every kind of run I've

1029
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,720
done a long run I've done, which
is a big tell for a shoe like 

1030
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,960
this for me. 
I've done lots easier. 

1031
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,600
I got 100 miles right outsole's 
totally fine. 

1032
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,680
I've got done workouts in this 
shoe. 

1033
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,920
It is very flexible, so you have
to be care. 

1034
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,960
Not very, but like today's 
standards, there's quite a bit 

1035
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,520
of flexibility. 
So you got to make sure that you

1036
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,520
are ready for that and get used 
to it because it definitely 

1037
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,080
caused a little tugging 
initially and the stack heights 

1038
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,800
a little bit lower in the 
forefoot for a lot of shoes. 

1039
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,280
26mm so 36 heel, 26 forefoot, 
which to me just made it feel 

1040
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,600
more snappy. 
So I've really enjoyed this and 

1041
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,480
upper is like holds you really, 
really well in the heel and it 

1042
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,520
just opens really nicely into 
the forefoot. 

1043
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,760
So just not an anatomic shoe by 
any means, but the upper has got

1044
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,200
some stretch and some volume 
that gives me a little more room

1045
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,280
up front. 
So kind of checks off all the 

1046
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,520
boxes really, really well. 
The heel flare isn't per it's 

1047
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,040
better than I expected. 
It's still this is what kept it 

1048
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,600
from being number one, but I bet
Adidas if you took this off, it 

1049
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,360
even drops of weight. 
But a really solid shoe that I 

1050
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,520
don't feel much of anybody's 
talking about. 

1051
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,760
So you're telling me Adidas? 
Adidas made a good upper. 

1052
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800
I feel like their uppers have 
been like can you just make 

1053
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,320
something more comfortable than 
this? 

1054
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,960
They always feel so synthetic to
me. 

1055
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,720
So no they did. 
They did a good job. 

1056
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,040
The tongue might be. 
Like a teeny bit thicker than I 

1057
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,920
might like, but overall it's 
been a fairly comfortable and 

1058
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,240
solid hole. 
Perfect. 

1059
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,240
All right, well, let's. 
Transition into our number ones.

1060
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,480
I'll go first because then we 
people can forget about my 

1061
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,760
answer and get on to the 
exciting answers from you all. 

1062
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,480
But my number one was, I believe
my top daily trainer from last 

1063
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,520
year. 
And it's the 361 Elios really 

1064
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,160
great for me under foot. 
But the reason why this one 

1065
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:40,680
because it has so many 
similarities. 

1066
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,920
I'm not even going to go over 
them, but from a flexibility 

1067
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,360
standpoint, the amount of 
cushioning, all that stuff just 

1068
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,160
worked for me. 
But it was the upper, that one 

1069
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,560
for me, this felt like there's 
nothing, absolutely nothing 

1070
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,640
fancy about this upper. 
If you've looked at it, you're 

1071
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,480
like, oh, that must have been an
upper from 2015. 

1072
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,200
And yes, it probably is an upper
from 2015 and it works awesome. 

1073
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,200
It's one of those that just 
disappears for me. 

1074
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,840
It's wide and open and just 
stretches nice because of the 

1075
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,040
perforations that it has. 
It can just stretch with me 

1076
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,720
really well and lock down 
perfectly in the heel. 

1077
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,160
For me, the exact right amount 
of padding in the heel and in 

1078
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,840
the tongue. 
I just I had nothing, nothing 

1079
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,280
discomfort, nothing discomfort 
shoe. 

1080
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,600
This was good shoe comfort. 
So this is this is my winner 

1081
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,600
from a comfort standpoint. 
Yeah. 

1082
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,200
What do you say, Matt? 
I will say I'm really curious. 

1083
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,040
What 360? 
One's doing between that shoe is

1084
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,080
pretty solid. 
It wasn't top five list for me. 

1085
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,600
It wasn't quite stable enough. 
But those who know that I love 

1086
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,400
the 361 Miro just like blew me 
away. 

1087
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,440
And even though it didn't 
obviously didn't last very long 

1088
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,120
for someone like me, it was a 
great shoe. 

1089
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,520
This made me very curious. 
They've got performances going 

1090
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,400
up. 
Yeah, I'm really here. 

1091
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,320
The Fierce. 
The new flame and they've got a 

1092
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,160
stability shoe that I'm 
forgetting the name of because 

1093
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,040
they always change it really 
quick. 

1094
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,280
But I'm really curious if 
anybody's from 361's listening. 

1095
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,800
I want to try them out. 
I think something to. 

1096
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,160
Keep in mind we did not include 
price in this listing, we were 

1097
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,160
looking purely at comfort. 
But this shoes also 145 and the 

1098
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,080
Triumph 22 is only a for 1:45 
and then the Triumph 22. 

1099
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,280
Is 160. 
Bucks like it it I think in how 

1100
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,520
it kind of acts, it's very 
similar to a lot of $200 shoes 

1101
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,240
out there, but that's not the 
point. 

1102
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,840
I think stability wise though, 
this is a softer platform that 

1103
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,520
I'm usually accustomed to, but 
they really widen the midfoot 

1104
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:29,680
and it worked really well for 
me. 

1105
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,040
You know what I think every. 
Single shoe on my top five is 

1106
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,840
under 150. 
That's awesome. 

1107
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,760
How much is the Nova? 
Ball 145. 

1108
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,760
I think, yeah. 
I think it's one. 40 Phantom's 

1109
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,960
about 1:40. 
I can look because I remember 

1110
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,960
our Merrell. 
'S one. 30 I remember. 

1111
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Our GT2000's about 1:40. 
I remember our Phantom's 140. 

1112
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,680
On I remember our conversation 
on the Super Blast versus Nova 

1113
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,920
Blast and there's like a $60.00 
difference, but they've gotten, 

1114
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,560
yeah, the Nova Blast might be 
more comfortable for in for the 

1115
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,760
majority of people out there. 
Certainly the upper upper on 

1116
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,440
super Blast too is not. 
Oh, you mean the Nova Blast is 

1117
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,440
more comfortable? 
Yeah, over blast the upper on 

1118
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,280
Super Blast. 2 is as I get more 
mild, yes, I got it to 100, but 

1119
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,800
that upper is irritating me. 
Yeah, we talked about that one. 

1120
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,920
That would be one of those. 
Situations where I feel like the

1121
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,600
performance outweighs the 
comfort for me, where I'm like, 

1122
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,560
I've been using these for the 
same use and I think I'd just go

1123
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,280
super blast at that point. 
All right, so it's a it's a 

1124
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680
weird Gray area. 
But anyways, not that that's not

1125
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,360
comfort. 
So what do you got David for 

1126
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,640
your number? 
One my #1 the saucy pick. 

1127
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:36,640
Of the day I almost brought. 
That's not that would have been 

1128
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,600
my that would have been my 
honorable mention if I would 

1129
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,000
have had one. 
But go ahead, tell tell the 

1130
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,600
people about it. 
Yeah. 

1131
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,880
So for the listeners, this. 
Is the Saucony ride 18? 

1132
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,040
It's kind of funny because in a 
lot of ways this is what I 

1133
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:55,080
wanted to triumph, to beat. 
Where the Triumph just didn't 

1134
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,200
quite agree. 
With me. 

1135
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,320
And yeah, so they kind of 
followed the same light of the 

1136
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Triumph in some ways, where the 
Triumph went from Power Run Plus

1137
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,960
to Power run PB, and the Ride 
went from power run to power Run

1138
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,360
Plus. 
Now, the Ride 17 had power on 

1139
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,200
Plus, but I think the Ride 18 
got the geometry down a little 

1140
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,920
bit better. 
But the biggest thing on this 

1141
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,160
one, the upper, yeah, the upper 
just fits my foot so much 

1142
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,640
better. 
And it's surprisingly plush for 

1143
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,040
how lightweight an area it is. 
And it's got a good amount of 

1144
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,600
space. 
And like you said, it adapts to 

1145
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,120
the foot. 
Like as far as your 361 Yulios, 

1146
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,600
like a lot of the stuff that you
said about that shoe resonate 

1147
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,120
with the Ride 18 and it just 
fits my foot like a glove, you 

1148
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,040
know, and everything is just 
like mild to moderately padded 

1149
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
or airy or plush. 
It's not over the top in any 

1150
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,760
direction. 
You have a more premium foam in 

1151
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,360
it that has a good amount of 
resilience to it. 

1152
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,400
It's responsive, but it's still 
more tuned to daily efforts. 

1153
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,680
It's rhythmic. 
It's easy. 

1154
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,200
I can pound 20 miles in this 
shoe and feel fine, you know, so

1155
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,840
especially at the price point, I
think it's like a solid daily 

1156
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,400
training shoe. 
So you know, this might be 

1157
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,360
duking it out later in the year 
with the Phantom. 

1158
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,040
I don't know yet. 
But I think from material 

1159
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,680
standpoint like this one, it 
kind of it's pretty solid, 

1160
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,600
pretty pretty darn good. 
And I think it's kind of the 

1161
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,480
midsole in combination with the 
upper. 

1162
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,720
I really like the upper, but I 
think the midsole just gives it 

1163
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,840
just a little bit more life to 
kind of give it the nod over 

1164
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,240
some of those other models. 
So it's a great shoe, very 

1165
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:36,920
comfortable. 
All right, Matt. 

1166
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,400
Yeah. 
Oh, sorry. 

1167
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,240
I'm glad I made your. 
List Nate well. 

1168
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Great, so you're very 
comfortable. 

1169
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,160
Not on my list. 
Wow, a Solomon shoe. 

1170
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,360
I'm kidding. 
I'm Charlie. 

1171
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:51,240
Yeah, you like that shoe a lot. 
Surprise. 

1172
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,880
So this is for the. 
Listeners, the Salmon Aeroglide 

1173
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,760
3, which has blown me away 
again, 100 miles on this thing, 

1174
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,440
lightweight, highly cushioned 
training, lightweight trainer 

1175
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,280
kind of shoe. 
The foam is what really took me 

1176
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,240
by surprise and I'll be very 
honest that outside of the 

1177
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,240
fantastic S lab 2 that they put 
out that had a super foam, which

1178
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,560
is unfortunately just not stable
enough for me, I really have not

1179
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,480
been impressed. 
I've been quite disappointed by 

1180
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,160
a lot of Salomon foam. 
So I'm like, you guys have been 

1181
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,040
doing this for a long time. 
I guess you've been doing work 

1182
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,160
mostly trail. 
I get it, but it's been a couple

1183
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,080
years. 
What's going? 

1184
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,720
And then this came and it would 
just so comfortable. 

1185
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,880
It's it has a little bit more 
room, which I like. 

1186
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,400
I did have to do a lace lock, 
which is one of the first time 

1187
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,200
I've had to done this in a had 
to do this in a while because 

1188
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,040
just getting a little heel 
slippage, but that fixed it. 

1189
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,160
So uppers little bit wider, this
energy foam evo energy evo foam.

1190
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
It's really nice and bouncy 
feels very light on foot. 

1191
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,040
This shoe actually doesn't feel 
like a maximal shoe. 

1192
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,480
I think is the midsole 
compresses so much, but it's 

1193
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,000
really nice and bouncy. 
It's kind of I'm going to say 

1194
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,720
this on air. 
It's what I wanted the Super 

1195
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,680
blast to be, but the Super glass
wasn't there is a little bit 

1196
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,000
more flexibility. 
It's not an overly stiff shoe. 

1197
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,760
It just does everything just 
right. 

1198
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,120
And I initially thought this 
heel wasn't going to work for me

1199
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,640
because it's clearly like 
centered. 

1200
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,640
It's like like for some lateral 
flare, but I think because the 

1201
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,080
midsole's softer, it's broken in
really nicely. 

1202
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,280
And I also for whatever reason, 
I think I'm wearing a lot 

1203
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,840
farther forward in this shoe 
because I just feels like I'm 

1204
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,680
I'm just more forward and it 
feels great. 

1205
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,880
I've done everything in this 
shoe. 

1206
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,880
I think for a lot of people this
is a great also like do it all 

1207
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,040
including rate longer race shoe 
as well. 

1208
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,560
So Sammy did a great job again, 
sidewalls they actually as the 

1209
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,880
shoe is broken in has made this 
a little bit more stable. 

1210
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,720
It's not a stability shoe. 
It's almost stable neutral but 

1211
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,560
not quite. 
But yeah, it's just done a great

1212
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,800
job. 
Unfortunately, the shoe, I did 

1213
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,960
start to chew through it. 
It's got 110 miles on it. 

1214
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,920
So, you know, it held up pretty 
well. 

1215
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,440
The gravel version is what I'm 
wearing right now on gravel 

1216
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,720
roads here in in Sherwood, 
Sherwood in Newburgh. 

1217
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,760
And it's it's also equally good 
and has a little bit more 

1218
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,160
outsold durability. 
But yeah, this is blowing me 

1219
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,080
away. 
It's been a great show. 

1220
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,800
Think back. 
And that midsole. 

1221
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Matches up with Turbo. 
Plus, I think it's honestly it's

1222
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,920
better. 
Than turbo plus because I feel 

1223
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,200
like turbo plus flight foam 
turbo yeah which one flight foam

1224
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,080
turbo plus yeah the one that's. 
In the Super blast in Super 

1225
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,600
Blast 2, I'd say this one's 
better. 

1226
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,960
The reason I I hesitated with 
that is because I've also got 

1227
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,760
this one the Medicine Edge in 
Paris also have. 

1228
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,720
Turbo, yeah, but that slightly 
tuned if that turbo plus to me 

1229
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,480
is to like. 
This if we did an extra 

1230
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,240
honorable mention, this would be
my favorite racing flight. 

1231
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,280
I almost grabbed one fit feel. 
Yeah, the. 

1232
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,520
Only reason I didn't. 
Grab it is obviously it's much 

1233
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,560
more aggressive and it's tuned 
very specifically for racing it 

1234
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,200
and had the first facility I 
want, but that's not the point 

1235
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,920
of the issue. 
Like I kind of wish I'd raced in

1236
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,720
this today. 
I was too scared because it's 

1237
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,120
not it doesn't always feel quite
stable enough. 

1238
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,520
So I want the Alphafly, which 
has a little wider base, some 

1239
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,840
sidewalls, but I'm honestly 
wishing I went with this one and

1240
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,600
trusted my gut because, and this
is, you know, 150 miles. 

1241
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,320
Yeah. 
None of us grabbed a racing 

1242
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:58,720
shoe. 
Yeah. 

1243
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,640
I almost grabbed that and I 
almost grabbed the anti C202GT5.

1244
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,360
Well, I think that the challenge
with this is again. 

1245
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,400
When you're talking comfort, 
sometimes when you get into 

1246
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,400
those higher performance realms 
that it like comfort like isn't 

1247
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,600
you have to balance it right? 
Like so. 

1248
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,040
And that's where like elite 
athletes. 

1249
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,800
And if you're trying to run 
fast, a super fast shoe isn't 

1250
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,920
going to be comfortable over 
slower paces. 

1251
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,840
Whereas I think a lot of the 
stuff we picked feels good, like

1252
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,880
across a continuum, and you guys
are just losing it as we're just

1253
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,320
glad you're an adult. 
Furious 1. 

1254
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,080
David and I are just laughing. 
Because. 

1255
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,000
Of the anti C2O2 GT 5 or 
whatever the I just ever ever 

1256
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,280
since an 8 called it the C3. 
PO, I just like make it a point 

1257
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,600
to mention that shoe. 
No, no, I genuinely almost 

1258
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,960
grabbed it though like that is a
really comfortable upper if it's

1259
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,280
my foot. 
Well, and yeah, I am. 

1260
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,560
That was a very genuine state. 
I'm going to bring this back 

1261
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,160
again. 
Shoe companies, you don't. 

1262
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,120
Need to have so many words in 
your name. 

1263
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,920
I think the best this one right 
now is the. 

1264
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:05,640
Cielo X1 version 2. 
It's like, gosh, what I want to 

1265
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,480
say about the Solomon shoe is 
think about how far they've come

1266
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,360
given a daily from a daily 
training perspective. 

1267
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,800
You sent me a new pair of the 
Sense ride. 

1268
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,080
Do you remember that? 
It was either the first of the 

1269
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,320
second one, it might have been 
the second. 

1270
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,840
One I can't remember. 
I couldn't even wear it to work 

1271
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,840
like it was. 
It was such a brick that I 

1272
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,120
couldn't even wear it to work. 
That was that was a tough shoe. 

1273
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,480
Yeah, well, that was it. 
That's our, that's our list, 5 

1274
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,080
to 1 for each of us. 
You can see we've all have 

1275
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,400
slightly different preferences, 
but comfort matters. 

1276
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,040
And I think that these are the 
shoes, a lot of them were daily 

1277
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,520
trainers because comfort is 
going to win when it comes to 

1278
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,360
like, oh, I just got to get 
miles in and we sat maybe 

1279
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,440
sacrifice high end performance 
for some comfort that's going to

1280
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,760
be enjoyable for the run. 
So we would love to hear what 

1281
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,080
your favorite shoes are and to 
see what sort of priorities that

1282
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,600
you have when you pick your 
shoes based off of comfort. 

1283
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,960
And we'll talk to you all next 
time.