1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Hey there everybody, and welcome to the Doctors of Running 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,920 podcast where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,320 discuss the art and science of running and the stuff that we 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,400 put on our feet. Speaking of the stuff that we 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,600 put on our feet today, we are going to be talking all about 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,120 shoes. We're going to go through 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,800 multiple different categories, including shoes that we think 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,160 are the most underrated, shoes that we think bring the most 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,320 value, and then categories of shoes that we love to wear 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 outside of running the most. And so we are going to be 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,680 bringing our thoughts on both of those who our, if you're 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,680 listening is Doctor David Salas and myself. 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,720 It's just the two of us here at the round table and it should be 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,920 a fun day. David has just got off a couple 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,920 days out at Disney with his wife. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,280 So how was that? It was great, yeah, it was a 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,520 good time. It was definitely a tiring time. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,280 We had some fans recognizing this, so that was kind of cool. 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,320 That was fun, yeah. But it went down, so we went on 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,120 the weekdays, Thursday, Friday, and then that way we can still 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,520 have a weekend. I can still be here and record 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,840 and I don't have to go straight to work the next day, you know? 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,520 So we try to plan it out that way intentionally. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,880 But for me, my workout days are usually Friday. 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,800 And so like Thursday I hit like 9 miles before even going into 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,840 the park, and that was before park opening. 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,440 So like, we got in late Wednesday and then I hit 9, you 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,800 know, park opens at 8:00 and then I was there until midnight. 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,320 And then I, you know, got back 1:00-ish in the morning and then 30 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:38,560 woke up again for a four or 5:00-ish, you know, kind of roll 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,640 call there and then hit 12 and a half mile workout before going 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,200 back into the park. That's insane for the California 33 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,480 adventure side. You sent us a picture. 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,200 How many steps did you get that one day? 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,400 I can't remember what it was. Yeah, the first day was. 36 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,040 So the first day was the longest because that was the Disneyland 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,360 day, and there's just a lot more in Disneyland than there is in 38 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 California Adventure. I think it was like just shy of 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,440 40,000 steps. And then the next day, though 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,760 wasn't like that much worse. It was like 35 or 36. 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,120 Well. And then I slept for like 10 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,280 hours right after. That very cool. 43 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,240 Well, today's episode is powered by scratch labs and they are 44 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,160 just releasing their seasonal, which is apple cider sport 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,120 hydration drink. And I actually they in the in 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,880 the when they mailed it to us, they sent like little 47 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,040 personalized notes, which was really nice of them. 48 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,400 And they said enjoy a warm cup on us. 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,760 And I kind of thought they were joking, but I'm trying it right 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,960 now. 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Dor 24 will get you 25% off your 74 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,640 first order. But let's go into the first 75 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,920 topic of the day. Let's start with I think what's 76 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,840 in my mind, one of the more fun categories, which is shoes that 77 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,880 are underrated. So in our mind, these are ones 78 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,480 that we think deserve a little bit more credence than they 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,520 currently get. And so we're going to go into 80 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,600 that and we're just going to, we have not revealed these to each 81 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,120 other. So these are going to be blind 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,040 reveals. So we don't know if we have any 83 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,920 overlapping. But David, why don't you go 84 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,880 first with your first pick? Yeah. 85 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Are we going to go 54321? Not or no. 86 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 No particular order. If you no particular order, no. 87 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,519 I mean, unless you want to, let's do it in order 54321. 88 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,560 OK, I just got to count it out real quick. 89 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:31,520 That's what I'm doing. So 54321 OK, so #5 I feel like 90 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,520 this shoe for me worked really well and I actually am a big fan 91 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,440 of it. I didn't agree with Klein quite 92 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,040 as much, mostly because of the posterior lateral bevel not 93 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,000 really being what he needed. But for those that don't need 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,560 quite as dramatic of a geometry, they're like this shoe actually 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,160 is really nice. It's a super critical Eva 96 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,640 midsole and it has a decent amount of stack under foot. 97 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,240 It's nice, it's flowy, it's a good daily trainer and that's 98 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,320 the Hocus Sky flow. And so I think it's one of the 99 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,240 shoes it released. People aren't really talking 100 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:03,920 about it that. Much. 101 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,160 It's not going to talk. And I think it's underrated. 102 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,360 You know, I'm not, it's not my trainer of the year, but it's a 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:16,200 shoe that is good. And I, I stand, I walk, I run in 104 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,560 it all of the time. And it's a shoe that I do wear 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,400 in the clinic, although now I have it kind of dirty, so I 106 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,800 might have to wash it. But I have like the earthy color 107 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,360 tone there, you know, for the listeners that can't see, it's 108 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,640 like the white on rose gold kind of color. 109 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,800 And it's a clean look if I clean it. 110 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,040 So right now it's a little bit dirty, but that's a shoe that. 111 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,480 Yeah, I. Was just going to say it comes 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,760 in at 10 ounces in men's size 9 or 283 grams. 113 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,160 What's the value of it outside of the Clifton? 114 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Like how is it differentiated from that? 115 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,400 Because just from a profile look perspective, it's pretty 116 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,560 similar. It's got relatively similar 117 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,000 stack heights and the 5mm drop. Like how is it different and 118 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,000 potentially who? Who might it work better for? 119 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:00,840 Yeah. I think that's a great question. 120 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:03,160 So when we look at the Clifton, it's a little bit lighter 121 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,320 actually. And that's a compressed molded 122 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,480 Eva, if I'm correct. I might not be on that, but it's 123 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,080 usually a lighter package. It's about 40 millimeters in the 124 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,400 heel. The sky flow in a way is kind of 125 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,800 what I wanted the Bondi to be, if that makes sense. 126 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,720 Where the Bondi is very built up, you have a lot of soul 127 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,320 flaring. It almost feels kind of like a 128 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,880 Kiano in a way for the Hoka lineup, where this feels like a 129 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,760 natural progression of the Clifton where it's a more 130 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,000 neutral kind of option, but it has a little bit of a nicer foam 131 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,800 super critical Eva, like it has a little bit of a balance to it. 132 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:47,000 Rocker is built off of the sky, not sky flow, sky word X type of 133 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,640 a geometry. So the heel is a little bit 134 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,440 sharper, but it's not quite as gradual. 135 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,440 So if you need to have a little bit more of a heel bevel where 136 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,680 it really kind of rounds into that midfoot like Klein, that is 137 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,800 not here, this is a little bit sharper. 138 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,280 It's a little bit of a quicker angle. 139 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,160 And so if you don't quite land super hard on that heel and 140 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,280 you're a little bit more forward, it might work a little 141 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,320 bit better. But if you're really far back, 142 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,160 it might feel a little jarring. Nice. 143 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,640 I yeah, that's, that's cool because I think the Clifton came 144 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,000 in at 8.7 oz. That was just a little heavier. 145 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,640 But like you said, it's more like, in your mind a better 146 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Bondi than it is a Clifton comparison. 147 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Awesome. All right, so my first shoe is 148 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,040 one that people might be like that's not underrated. 149 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,920 That one gets a lot of hype. But I think the reason that I 150 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,560 wanted to put in this category is because I think people who 151 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,440 pay attention to this podcast or like follow shoe review folk 152 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,360 know a lot about the shoe, But I think that it could be more 153 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,800 popularized for the general population who doesn't care 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,360 about shoe geeking out too much. And so that's one of my one of 155 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,720 my favorite trainers is the Nova blast 4 from ASICS. 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,240 I know. So like people love this shoe 157 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,960 and I know it's like getting awards and stuff, but I I. 158 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,120 Haven't rated. Yeah, I have not seen people in 159 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Stevens Point wear this shoe. Like the people don't care about 160 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,280 this shoe or don't know about it. 161 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,840 I think it's underrated for the global populace, not for like 162 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,280 the shoe nerd population. So feel free to RIP me apart on 163 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,840 IT, people. I understand. 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,400 But that, I think that's where I came to with this one, is I 165 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,600 think like if people think of ASICS, they're like, I'm going 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,560 to get a nimbus or I'm going to get a cumulus. 167 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,600 And that's like what people think of when they think of 168 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,640 ASICS trainers. I think this deserves to be 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,400 their main trainer and that more people can go and access, 170 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,840 especially since they've stabled the platform and anything. 171 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:42,760 I just think it's more of a fun ride. 172 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,080 It's better for running. I mean, the the Nimbus 25 is 173 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,760 great. I think that the that this 174 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,440 should be your choice over the Cumulus any day. 175 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:54,240 But yeah, that's why I'm going to put it there. 176 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,400 And I know that I put it #5 because I just know that it's 177 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,120 not totally that underrated because people do love the shoe. 178 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,600 But what's your next one? So this next one is from Brooks. 179 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,360 And when we talk about Brooks, the shoe of the year this year 180 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,680 for that company at least, it seems to be the Hyperion Max 181 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:16,960 too. And that's one that a lot of 182 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,120 people are talking about. You're seeing a lot of ads 183 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,480 getting pushed, like people are very excited about that and then 184 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,440 they forget about the entire rest of the Hyperion lineup. 185 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,560 But there are other shoes within the Hyperion lineup, and it's 186 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:33,440 not a Hyperion Elite. That's not what I'm talking 187 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,480 about. This next shoe that I'm going 188 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,760 with is the Hyperion GTS 2 and that this is a heavily 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,000 underrated shoe. I think because this in a way 190 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,280 for me has become my cyclone two equivalent for this year. 191 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,200 Wow, a little bit heavier, not quite as race ready, but more of 192 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,320 a true training companion where the Cyclone like they were like, 193 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Oh yeah, here's this P backs shoe. 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,160 It's really light and it's a trainer and everyone's like, 195 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,760 well, no, you can race in this like it's a six ounce fully 196 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Peeba shoe, you know, whereas this uses DNA flash too. 197 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,640 So a little bit firmer, not quite as soft or bouncy as like 198 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,480 a Peeba based type shoe, but the guide rails in there are done 199 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,840 really well. It's a it's a moderate to lower 200 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,760 stack height shoe by today's standards. 201 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,320 It's a shoe that I've been really able to RIP track 202 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,760 workouts in. I've had no issues with doing 203 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,600 that. I think the durability on it is 204 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,400 really good. The traction is really good. 205 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,600 It's a shoe that I can really eat up a lot of miles on. 206 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,680 Now, I don't really do that many daily miles in it. 207 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,360 You know, like especially compared to what else is on the 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,520 market, it's a little bit of a tough sell for everything. 209 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,880 But for workouts specifically and shorter distance workouts 210 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,280 like on a track or doing intervals and things like that, 211 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,520 this shoe does really well for that. 212 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,560 And it's in like the 7:00-ish oz kind of category. 213 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,800 So it's still pretty light. I think it's like right around 7 214 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,640 1/2 ounces. And if you don't want a plate 215 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,160 and you want just a little bit of guidance and extra support, 216 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,040 good connectivity to the ground and you just want to dig in and 217 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,560 and not really have much nonsense to it, this is a good 218 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,600 shoot. Again, like I use it mostly for 219 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,800 interval type stuff. So you're not really going to 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,920 see it on my feet for like long runs and really even daily runs. 221 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,680 I don't really use it that much, but you will see it on my feet 222 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,000 on the track if you have any. Like if there's any footage of 223 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,600 me ever running in it that comes out. 224 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,040 So and did you explain why the GTS over just the Hyperion 2? 225 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,560 I did not so the Hyperion GTS versus the regular version. 226 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,760 So GTS is like go to stability for that company. 227 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,120 What that means, what that stands for the the platform 228 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,600 itself. I felt like the guide rails 229 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,440 really kind of held me together in the heel and then it extends 230 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,200 through the mid foot there and it just gives you a little bit 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,720 of a guidance on that guide rail. 232 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,600 And that was just enough for me when I'm landing to just give me 233 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,680 a little bit more rigidity in that space and kind of give me a 234 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,280 little bit more guidance. That was kind of like the main 235 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,520 point as far as the GTS versus the two, the regular Hyperion 2, 236 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,920 it wasn't unstable. I just felt like the little bit 237 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,600 of added stability to the GTS 2 was enough for me to give the 238 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,040 nod to the GTS 2 versus the regular version. 239 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,760 It's not super dramatic, it's just a little bit. 240 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,480 And so it's not like like this is technically a stability shoe, 241 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,800 but it's it's more of a mild stability shoe. 242 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,920 So my next one I don't have on me and I think that you're going 243 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,920 to everybody's going to hate me for this one too, because you're 244 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,320 like, that's not an underrated shoot, but it's the it's the 245 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,880 Saucony ride 17. And again, I am looking at it 246 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,920 through the same lens as I looked at it as at the Nova 247 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,400 Blast, because I would just had a friend over who's a, a runner, 248 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,280 really good runner. And I don't think it's as well 249 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,400 known that the new ride is kind of taking over for the old 250 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,800 Triumph because the Triumph has moved to PB. 251 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,600 It's really widened its base become pure Max. 252 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,960 And then the, the, the value of the Triumph in the past was just 253 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,680 that it could get 1000 miles on it for a lot of folks like it 254 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:17,480 just never died. And now you have that in a 255 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,040 slightly lighter package in the ride, but you maintain that 256 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,040 foam. It also can be a great entry 257 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,880 level shoe. So it's going to like work 258 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,920 really well for folks who are just getting into running or if 259 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,200 you just need to be walking standing like it's super 260 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 versatile. But then because of the shaping 261 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,040 of the ride, you can always put a little bit extra into it. 262 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,680 So it can be your daily trainer with a little bit of tempo in 263 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,680 it. Not crazy workouts, but it can 264 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:45,800 do a little bit of work. And so I think that it I don't 265 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,200 think it's been appreciated enough that it's become this 266 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,080 replacement for the Triumph in my mind while also maintaining 267 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,360 some of that workout speed. So I think it's respected. 268 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:00,280 The ride is the mainstay shoe in Saucony's line, in my opinion 269 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,640 one of them, but I think that it even has been elevated and is 270 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,400 under appreciated in that way. I mean, I can get behind that 271 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,240 like it makes sense. All right. 272 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:16,040 It's like the daily flagship trainers are starting to become 273 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,120 what used to be the premium trainers. 274 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Yes. And now the premium trainers are 275 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,200 now using these, you know, highly advanced supercritical 276 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,040 phones, right? So that makes sense. 277 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,960 I'm going to go with my next one too, and it's a shoe that has 278 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,240 gotten a lot of love from us at Doctors of Running, but I don't 279 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,840 think it's gotten a lot of love elsewhere. 280 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,920 Again in the daily training category and it's the Topo 281 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Phantom 3. I just think it's. 282 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,200 Really. Simple Daily Trainer that has 283 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,880 it's in their moderate drop category. 284 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,600 It's not one of their zero drop shoes, so it's super accessible 285 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,800 to a lot of people. The cushioning isn't fancy, it's 286 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,760 not super bouncy, but it's consistent. 287 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,880 It's got just enough of a rocker to it'll just let you get in 288 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,240 rhythm. The fit is awesome, really great 289 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,360 lockdown. So again, this is one of those 290 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,760 workhorse trainers that I wouldn't do like harder long 291 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,120 runs in it, but if I'm getting like medium long runs, daily 292 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,800 miles, all that stuff can go in the Phantom 3 and I just don't 293 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,520 think it's appreciated enough. It's partially at large because 294 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,080 it's a smaller brand too. It doesn't. 295 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,160 It's not everywhere and people don't know about Topo, but I 296 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,120 think again, this is one of those if you're getting into 297 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,160 running and you're like, hey, what shoe should I get just for 298 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 daily training, Phantom 3 is going to be great. 299 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,280 You got a nice wide base on the bottom. 300 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,160 It's got some stable neutral like you know, features to it. 301 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,360 I think it's a great shoe, bit underrated. 302 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,560 I actually really love that pic. Thank you. 303 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,120 You have my, you have my points of validity there. 304 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,600 I just I feel like I need David approval today for some reason 305 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,840 on a level bigger than I normally do. 306 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,200 No, that shoe was awesome. That shoe was great. 307 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Like that was not that far off of making my honorable mention 308 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,000 last year of daily trainers. It's simple. 309 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,320 It's nothing super fancy, but it fits well and it rides well like 310 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,640 and no one really talks about it. 311 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,200 That's a great underrated pick, yes. 312 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Thank you. I need this. 313 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,040 This next one is a shoe that if you are a long time fan of 314 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Dockers of running, you have probably heard of this shoe. 315 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,920 Oh, I wonder now. If you are not a long time fan, 316 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,280 you probably are going to think this is out of left field. 317 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,280 This is probably a company you've never heard of. 318 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Can I wait? Hold on. 319 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,480 But when you say it, let's lift it up a shoe at the same time, I 320 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:32,760 want to see if we. Pick the same one. 321 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Is it going to be the same one I? 322 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Don't know, you tell me when to. See whether or not all right 321 323 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:38,760 go. Yes. 324 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Snap. It is. 325 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,760 That's hilarious. So that's your #2? 326 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,040 This is my #2 This is your #3 right? 327 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,600 This is my #3. OK, talk about it, Talk about 328 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,880 the carhoo Yeah, 3 point. Yeah, yeah. 329 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:01,480 So for listeners, Carhoo Oconee 3.0 now we've always had a nice 330 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,560 kind of like Topo in that regard, where the uppers and the 331 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,160 fit of Carhoo shoes have always been pretty good, like solid. 332 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,680 It's a long standing company. They've been around for a long 333 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,920 time. It's a Finnish company. 334 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,240 So a lot of people don't really they've never really heard of 335 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,480 it. And in the United States it's 336 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,440 exclusive to fleet feet, right? Like you can't really buy it 337 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,520 anywhere else. And so if you don't have a fleet 338 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,920 feet in your area, you're never going to see them. 339 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:31,080 And so it's, it's a weird brand in that way, but it's a solid, 340 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,200 solid neutral daily trainer. And it's nothing fancy, you 341 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,000 know, like it's, I mean, it's honestly, it's a little bit 342 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,560 heavy. Like it's like, I think I looked 343 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,040 it up just a second ago, I was like 10.9 oz. 344 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,600 Yeah, it's almost 11 oz. It's an 8mm drop. 345 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,320 It's kind of like a moderate cushioned shoe, but what they do 346 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:53,480 on the shoe, they do well and the upper fits really well. 347 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,840 It's very secure. It has a nice padded tongue. 348 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,920 You can lock this thing down, have no issues. 349 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,080 One thing with the Carhoo shoes that they've always done really 350 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,840 well too is like their heels are done really well too. 351 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,440 So like you have a nice bevel, it transitions really well. 352 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,000 They've always had a fulcrum in their shoes, and depending on 353 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,480 which model you have, that fulcrum might look a little bit 354 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,320 different as far as how long it goes and the shape that it 355 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,560 holds. But it's a little bit of a 356 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,240 stiffening agent. And their idea is to kind of aim 357 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,200 you towards some level of guidance. 358 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,960 And that's kind of what extends across their models. 359 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:32,600 And the Oconee is kind of like that flagship neutral kind of in 360 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,560 the middle. Like it's not Max guidance, but 361 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,720 it's not none, you know, it's just kind of like let's give you 362 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,600 a little bit and just get you on your way. 363 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,320 And the shoe, it's just a nice balanced rocker where it's not 364 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,720 overly dramatic. You know, you can kind of see if 365 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,280 I'm holding it up for the viewers, It exists. 366 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840 The heel is definitely rockered, but that 4 foot's not as 367 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,080 dramatic and but it has a little bit of a rounding. 368 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,400 It does have a four foot rocker. It has a little bit of 369 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,720 flexibility, but there's still a little bit of stiffness. 370 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,040 And so under load, it has this kind of like right in between a 371 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,160 flexible and rigid and you get this very rhythmic rocker 372 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,960 feeling under your foot. And it's just nice for just 373 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,600 shuffling miles, like easy daily miles. 374 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,640 Now it's not a super high stacked shoe though I will say 375 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,080 like I don't know if I would quite reach for it for a long 376 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,840 run day, but for daily mileage and just getting about, this is 377 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,800 a solid shoe. Yep, I the only things I would 378 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,600 add, I think that the fulcrum in the Oconee is a three quarter 379 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,280 length and that's why you have some of that rigidity into the 380 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,080 forefoot, but then you get that end range. 381 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,800 And I I think what they've done the fulcrum thing forever and 382 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,800 they basically had plates in their shoe to some extent for a 383 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,680 long time. And so I think they've found a 384 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,320 really happy spot with what they want it to function as. 385 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,800 And it really also falls into that stable neutral category 386 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,560 where you have the plate that basically spare their fulcrum, 387 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,560 they call it, but it spans the width of the shoe it's going to. 388 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,720 It just rolls really nice. And I would just say it runs so 389 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,360 much lighter than the listed weight, like it doesn't feel 390 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,880 like. Like an 11 oz shoe when you put 391 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,040 it on, at least in my opinion. And then the only thing that is 392 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,600 worth considering is the toe spring is pretty high in this 393 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,480 shoe. So if toe spring is bothersome 394 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,320 for you, which for me right now, it is after my race that I had 395 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,560 like, so I don't put this one on now, But otherwise, I think it's 396 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,440 constructed super well, really smooth ride. 397 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,240 And I, I think that they also do their, their widths very well, 398 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,600 save their standard and then they have what they call HYVO 399 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,440 and that's high volume. So they really take that 400 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,560 seriously and don't just widen the shoe, but they really 401 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,280 increase the vamp or the height in the toe box. 402 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,080 I actually have the HYVO version here. 403 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,000 And if you're needing extra space, they really give it to 404 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,480 you in the HYVO option. So I think it's nothing, nothing 405 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,920 fancy, but it really does the job well. 406 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,320 What's your #2? Yeah, because that was your 407 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,080 number 2. So I guess it's my turn. 408 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,800 So this next one, again, it might be a company you've never 409 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:07,000 heard of. And this is a shoe that I, it 410 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,560 probably would have been my number one if it wasn't for the 411 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:15,240 last few weeks. But it is a awesome, awesome 412 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,640 shoe and one that I would not hesitate to race in. 413 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,800 I don't know what you're talking. 414 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,400 About you don't know what I'm talking about. 415 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,440 You don't know what I'm talking about. 416 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,400 I've been hyping this shoe up for a while. 417 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:36,760 That's the anti C2O2 GT 5 yes. The nomenclature's outrageous on 418 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,600 that. That's hilarious. 419 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,520 It is so long, so Anta is a Chinese based company. 420 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,400 Again, you don't really see them in the states very often and 421 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760 they do have some athletes. Most of them are NBA athletes, 422 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,600 but they do have Kennedys of the Kaylee as well, who is a running 423 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,240 athlete that most people may have heard of. 424 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:02,440 And so this is a Piba based carbon plated super shoe with a 425 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,040 decent amount of outsole coverage. 426 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,040 It's more of a moderate stack height. 427 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,600 It's not quite at 40. I don't remember exactly what 428 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,400 it's at. It's probably like 30-5 ish, 429 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,440 something like that, you know, but it's a little bit of a 430 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,080 firmer peeba, but it's super responsive and you have a decent 431 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,040 amount of toe spring up front. The heel bevel isn't crazy. 432 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,640 It's very meant to like have you kind of be forward and really 433 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,760 push off of that 4 foot and this shoe really eats up the ground. 434 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,280 Like it's a shoe that I have had. 435 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,480 I mean, if it wasn't for the Meta Speed Edge Paris this year, 436 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,480 like this is one of the top racing shoes for me this year 437 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,920 and it's in that 7 oz range. I don't it's not in the 6:00-ish 438 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,840 oz range. So for the stack height, it's a 439 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,760 little bit heavy in comparison to the other 40mm stack height 440 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,560 shoes out there because it's a comparable weight with less 441 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,920 height. But if you want a more grounded 442 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,320 experience, I do think they are selling it in the states now. 443 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,240 I think that is on the ANTA website if you're curious. 444 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,320 ANTA like it exists. I think it's also like 180 ish 445 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,040 if I remember correctly. I wouldn't quote me on that, but 446 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,000 it's way less than the normal 250. 447 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,640 So from a budget super shoe standpoint, this shoe can RIP. 448 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,640 So it's a shoe that no one's really talking about, and that 449 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,120 would have been my number one, but it's not so. 450 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Well, I've got my #1 here and you know, this is going to be 451 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,360 most people are going to like skip past this one because I 452 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,000 don't think a lot of people are going to care about it. 453 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,680 But it's a company that we've talked about already, but it's a 454 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,360 different shoe and it's from Topo and it's the Topo Traverse. 455 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,960 This is basically a hybrid walking shoe or hiking shoe with 456 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,600 a little bit of running capabilities. 457 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,680 This shoe is the shoe that I have the most time in this year, 458 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,240 period. I've worn this shoe for so many 459 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,920 different things. I have a number of runs between 460 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,800 4:00 and 7:00 miles on trails in this, but I've also worn it for 461 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,920 work so often and then I wear it hiking with our family and all 462 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,480 that kind of stuff. So this shoe has, you know, the 463 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,280 zip foam in it and it's got kind of a dual layer foam compound. 464 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,480 And then they've done some unique things with the outsole 465 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,880 as well where they've kind of wrapped it up a little bit in 466 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,760 certain areas to add some rigidity where they want it. 467 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,400 And they've also put like a little clip in the back to add a 468 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,200 little bit of security in the rear foot. 469 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,480 So it's definitely not something that you would take for these 470 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,080 long, faster trail run. But if you're kind of wanting 471 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,040 something that can run a little bit on trails if you wanted to, 472 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,520 but really be this really workhorse hiker, this is 473 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,600 honestly the most comfortable shoe that I've had this year. 474 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,920 I think it's super underrated for that sphere where you want 475 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,960 to use it for hiking and and running. 476 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,440 Like if you know, my friends love going on these long 477 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,800 backpacking trips or long weekend backpacking trips and I 478 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,800 haven't been able to go in a few years, but this will be the shoe 479 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,360 that I I take with me for like if I was a through hiker, this 480 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,080 is the shoe I would throw on right now. 481 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:59,360 I think it's a no brainer. It's got a 5mm drop, about 30mm 482 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,320 in the heel, 25 of the four foot. 483 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,920 And it's just super comfortable, perform super well. 484 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,120 And I don't think most people even know it exists because it 485 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,440 sits in a little bit of a weird space. 486 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,520 So Tobo Traverse is my number one. 487 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,920 Yeah, I get it. I mean, and it has that Vibra 488 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,200 mouth sole, very sticky, very grippy, like it's a very 489 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,240 comfortable shoe. What do you think of the sock 490 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,280 liner in that shoe? Because it's kind of the texture 491 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,040 to it? Right, yeah, I actually, I mean, 492 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,760 that was actually one of the things I loved about it from a 493 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,440 comfort standpoint. This was the shoe that got me 494 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,400 back to walking without any support after my foot injury. 495 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,160 So I have a little bit of bias there, just how it carried me 496 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720 through that. But I I found that little 497 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,480 texture unobtrusive, total, totally comfortable for me. 498 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,040 Did you not like it? It was, it was fine. 499 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,480 It was good. I think for walking it was fine. 500 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,240 I think if I did do some running in it, it would have been a 501 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,280 little bit warm or a little bit much like it would have maybe 502 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,440 created a little bit of friction down there because I could feel 503 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,400 it almost like a bubbly kind of feel to it. 504 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Yes, that's exactly what it is. Yeah, but it's really 505 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,000 comfortable. I mean, yeah, I I did love that 506 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280 shoe. So I I actually do like the pic 507 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,040 again. But wait, is it like actually 508 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,240 bubbly? I never took the sock. 509 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,640 Out. It's like a bubbly. 510 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,440 And. Then it comes through on the 511 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,560 top, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. 512 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,600 I don't know why. I thought it was on the top that 513 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,840 I was feeling that texture. It's underneath that I'm feeling 514 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,520 it. But it comes through like it's 515 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,400 not like it. Yeah. 516 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,640 So OK, it was fine on my on all the runs that I did, I did with 517 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080 it. It never led to any irritation 518 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,440 underneath the foot. Yeah, great shoe though. 519 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,000 Very supportive. I mean, like, that thing's a 520 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,280 beast. Yeah. 521 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,120 So then I'm on to my number one, huh? 522 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,560 Yes, Sir. All right, my number one shoe 523 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,720 here. And it's a little bit of a weird 524 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,920 one because I feel like the shoes been around for a while 525 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,040 and I feel like it sells pretty well. 526 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,880 Like I see it out on the feet of people, you know, it's not like 527 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,640 it's non existent, but it's not exactly a hype shoe in. 528 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,000 Vapor capacity? Is it the alpha flight? 529 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,360 Alpha Flight 3. How'd you know? 530 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960 I mean, like, I only see it on the feet of LeBron James 531 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,000 coaching basketball. You. 532 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,840 Know like. No. 533 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,400 No. What is it actually? 534 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,920 Yeah, that's a joke for the listeners, I guess. 535 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,680 All right, so my number one most underrated shoe, and it's a shoe 536 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,680 that has really surprised me over this year because to me, 537 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,800 this shoe has always been a nice shoe. 538 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,160 It's always been kind of pleasant, but it's always kind 539 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320 of a take it or leave it kind of shoe like it. 540 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,160 It's just it's there and it's not bad, but it's not great. 541 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,800 But that's the A6 GT 2013. I have a lot of numbers today. 542 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Why do you do? I'm like C202GT5, like C3PO3PO, 543 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:03,360 R2-D2, BB8, So A6 GT 2000. Wait, yeah, GT 2013. 544 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,360 Why is this the most underrated shoe? 545 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,280 Well, they updated them insult like they have the Blast Plus in 546 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,680 there now they have that pure gel that they've been doing, 547 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,320 kind of having that insert in the heel. 548 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,360 They have a little bit of a 3D guidance system. 549 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:18,720 That's what they're calling it with their idea for this shoe is 550 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720 kind of being a light stability shoe, you know, light to 551 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,920 moderate. So for those that need just a 552 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,960 little bit of guidance or stability, but they don't need a 553 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,720 full on stability shoe, that's what they kind of designed this 554 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,640 for. But you have a decent amount of 555 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,600 soul flaring in the, you know, the four foot mild to moderate, 556 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,120 but enough to be noticeable. You have this kind of large side 557 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,880 wall on the medial side of the heel. 558 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,360 Same thing on the lateral. You get this kind of cradle like 559 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,840 feel immediately and where I think this shoe makes the 560 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,440 biggest jump is in the foam where before it's always kind of 561 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,800 just been like this Eva like a pretty comfortable upper, but 562 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,760 it's like like I'd like to stand and walk in it, but I just don't 563 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,160 know if I would choose it in running for a compared to the 564 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000 other shoes on the market. But this shoes at I think 140 565 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,440 retail, I want to say and that blast plus midsole. 566 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,440 It's like 35 in the heel and I don't, I I've got a tab up over 567 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,800 here somewhere so that I don't screw this up too badly, but I 568 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,040 don't have it. Oh no, Oh no, that's not good 569 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,240 anyways. But it's a moderate SAC height 570 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,120 heel. Did you do your long run in that 571 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,280 shoe this weekend? Yeah, yeah. 572 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,400 This morning I did 19 miles in this shoe today. 573 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,880 It was great. Yeah, it was awesome. 574 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Like, you know, like this is like one of my favorite trainers 575 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,000 of the year. And it's nothing like overly 576 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,640 special. Like again, it's like everything 577 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,080 that I said about the GT 2000 before where it's like it's a 578 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,400 fine shoe. It's not bad, it's not great, 579 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,600 you know, but it's a shoe that when they upgraded that foam, 580 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,080 it's like, OK, so now you have a shoe that has good durability, 581 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,560 good comfort, It has just a little bit of guidance and 582 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,640 stability. You know, it's like 9 1/2 oz, I 583 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840 think men size 9. So it's a pretty competitive 584 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,200 weight for a daily trainer, you know, decently light and it's 585 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,280 like a it's a workhorse. I mean, you look at this thing 586 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,520 like this thing can really take a beating and it holds the foot 587 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,080 well. Like there I just don't have any 588 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,720 complaints. You know, like I go and I start 589 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,080 running and it's like, oh, this is actually pretty fluid. 590 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,960 There is a decent heel bevel on it. 591 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,520 It's nice and rounded. And for those that do care about 592 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,080 kind of the stability and the fit and those types of things 593 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000 like in comparison and stability category specifically like in 594 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,920 regards to client, he I looked at the his review before this 595 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,920 and he put it at an A minus, you know, so like this is a shoe 596 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,320 that I think not enough people are talking about, you know, and 597 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,720 it's been around, you know, we're on the 13th version. 598 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,400 Definitely. It might stay in their line, but 599 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,440 it's not you're. You're not a blast. 600 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,920 It's not a meta speed edge, you know it's not. 601 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,040 A hype shoe. It's not a hype shoe by any 602 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,120 stretch of the imagination, but it's a shoe that it's built well 603 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,760 and it runs well and it works with my mechanics and I just get 604 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,680 a little bit of guidance, a little bit of stability, what I 605 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,280 need. And it's not overstacked, you 606 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,600 know, like being at 35mm, like that's not that bad by today's 607 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,120 standards. You know, like you can still 608 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,680 feel the ground. There's plenty of outsole 609 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,040 coverage. It's pretty grippy. 610 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,520 I ran in dirt today, I ran in trails. 611 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,000 It was fine. You know, like it's, it's, it's 612 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,800 a good shoe. It's a really good shoe. 613 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,560 And I think as of right now, I mean, that's might be a nod, you 614 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,080 know, for an award later this year. 615 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,080 So it's it's a very well done shoe that I don't think enough 616 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,840 people are talking about. Well, we're going to pivot and 617 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,560 we're going to take a basically a, a, what's that intermission? 618 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,680 And we're going to talk about shoes that we use not for 619 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,320 running. So things that we may wear to 620 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,560 work or around the house. That's what we're going to hit 621 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,480 next. I'm going to go through mine. 622 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960 I have four of them here that I'm going to hit pretty quick. 623 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,120 And then David, I'll pitch it over to you and you can talk 624 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,080 about the ones that that you are enjoying. 625 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,000 What's your face telling me? I misunderstood the assignment. 626 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360 Hey, well, that's OK were. You talking about this before? 627 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,240 I thought, you know, like recovery, like slides. 628 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,720 Yeah, that's fine. I like saddles, yes, but like 629 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,720 like at work I wouldn't wear like. 630 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,840 That's fine, yeah. That's fine, they grabbed 631 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,000 you're. Good, you didn't misunderstand 632 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920 the assignment things and things for use outside of running. 633 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,040 That also falls in the purview, So I'll tell mine first though. 634 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,560 So when it comes to ones that I, I wear at work, I really have 635 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,320 enjoyed finding shoes that allow me to basically do barefoot 636 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,880 walking and standing. So I've I've tried a number of 637 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,520 different models and there are a couple others that I want to 638 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,280 try, but my favorite one has been the HFS from zero. 639 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,120 So I have a number of models from zero and I think that what 640 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,280 I've really enjoyed about them is that the upper is super 641 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,800 comfortable and they have colors and styles that are a little bit 642 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,840 more business casual and so I've gone that way. 643 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,920 I do not run in these shoes. I haven't trained myself to be 644 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,320 able to do that. But this is the shoe along with 645 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,280 the traverse that I have worn the most for work has been the 646 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,920 HFSI also have like 1/2 boot that I also wear that they don't 647 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,440 make any more, but that's the other one I like. 648 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,560 I've tried some of the Vivo barefoot stuff, but I haven't 649 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,440 figured out fit yet for them. I need to try some other sizes 650 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,640 because it just has not. I have not been able to secure 651 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,760 the heel and it's kind of just felt really big at the toe 652 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,520 because they have like a very long big toe region in their toe 653 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,400 box. So I got to figure the Vivo 654 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,760 barefoot out because I haven't nailed down the right sizing. 655 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,120 So as of now, my favorite for work is the HFS from Zero. 656 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040 When it comes to chilling around home or like walking around the 657 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040 community, there are two shoes. One of them is available. 658 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,520 One of them, RIP, no longer exists. 659 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,400 The one that's still available. And I think that everyone else 660 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,320 on the doctor running team disagrees with me on this shoe. 661 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,560 And that's okay. He knows what's coming, but it's 662 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240 cane footwear. So they sent these to us and 663 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,920 they basically feel like Crocs. And I love Crocs, love them. 664 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120 But what I love about this is that it does have a heel that 665 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,120 just holds me in. So I know you can put your 666 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,159 adventure straps on with Crocs, but I, I really liked these and 667 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,920 I, I wear them maybe way too much because people like, and 668 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,320 I've gotten really unique, diverse opinions on whether 669 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,320 these are cool or not. Like some people like, oh, those 670 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120 look sick. You know, those are super cool. 671 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,280 Some people like, what are those? 672 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,719 Those are the weirdest shoes I've ever seen. 673 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,639 So I think it's definitely a what do you prefer? 674 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,040 But I've really enjoyed wearing these everyone. 675 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,960 I wear them on casual Fridays to work too. 676 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,199 So you can judge me for that. That's fine. 677 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,480 The other one I saw. Oh, go ahead. 678 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,760 I saw a pair at Disneyland. Yes. 679 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,880 And I was going to take a picture, but the guy was 680 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,440 beelining it to a ride and it was literally it was literally 681 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,159 just as fast as like, oh crap, that's the cane recovery like 682 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,840 phone. And then he was like he was like 683 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,719 gone. And I was like, no, because I 684 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,240 was going to send you a picture. Of it they can do anything but I 685 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,160 would feel. Like actually mines a little 686 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480 oversized though because like you know, they're whole sizes. 687 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,600 They sent me I I have a 10 and like being a 9.5 especially in 688 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,120 like a sandal type footwear. I feel like I probably should 689 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,600 have done a nine. That would honestly ruin this 690 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,200 shoe if it was so big because then it. 691 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320 Yeah, it wouldn't be functional. I don't have an accurate 692 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,800 assessment on that. Fair enough. 693 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,880 This is a shoe that I won't spend too much on, but it's from 694 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,320 Decker's X Lab, it's a sniper mid from them, and I got this 695 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,280 shoe like 2 1/2 or three years ago. 696 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,600 This is on my foot. It feels like 24/7 through the 697 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,640 winter. It's the most comfortable. 698 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,680 I'm starting to like wear through the outsole at this 699 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,680 point because I wear them so much, so comfortable for 700 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680 Wisconsin winters. And I wear them like if I got to 701 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,480 go get gas or something from the house or quick errand. 702 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,960 I just wear them out in the community too. 703 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560 They're amazing. So those are my those are my 704 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,480 shoes that I wear when I'm not running. 705 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,680 But what do you got, David? Well this wasn't on my list, but 706 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,480 if you need I could just reach it because it was there. 707 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,960 And if you need kind of a another version of that that 708 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,240 isn't that, the chukkas are pretty nice too. 709 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,360 Oh yeah, I need to try those. Do they still make those right? 710 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,760 I I don't know I'm. Going to look it up. 711 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,400 But they're nice. Yeah. 712 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,680 I mean, it's just it's, they run warm, you know? 713 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,200 But where you live, that's a good thing. 714 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,520 Like where I live, I have to be selective. 715 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,960 Yeah, but yeah, they're nice. I mean it's basically the same 5 716 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,920 layer midsole and then they just have a more chukka based upper. 717 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,240 Not quite as fluffy or fuzzy, but it it's good I'm. 718 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,640 Going to look it up, I don't think they do. 719 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,600 No, they don't make the check us anymore. 720 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120 I don't think so, but what are your picks? 721 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,760 Yeah, the Decker's X Lab branch is interesting, but I'll start 722 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,520 with one of theirs because this shoe is amazing. 723 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,040 And I bought my mom a pair, my wife bought a pair. 724 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,880 Everybody who I know who has a pair absolutely loves them and 725 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,560 they don't make them anymore. So just like how Andrea and the 726 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,000 Save the Beacon campaign goes, I guess I'm going to start my own 727 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,760 campaign. And if there's any listeners out 728 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,960 there, please save the cozy. Slide. 729 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,960 Oh, those were great. The Decker's X lab cozy slide. 730 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,800 They don't make them anymore. So I literally am trying to save 731 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,560 the life on these things because there's no way I can get another 732 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,800 one. But they have a little 733 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,720 adjustable strap over there. They have kind of like an 734 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,960 interwool lining. They have that five layer 735 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,920 platform. It's actually really secure on 736 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,160 the foot for not really having like super extensive straps and 737 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,240 for like being around the house like this is amazing for 738 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,040 cooking, cleaning, laundry, whatever you want. 739 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,880 Like standing on hard floors like this is a like this thing 740 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,120 is awesome. It's it's kind of like my my 741 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,320 gold standard, except it doesn't exist anymore. 742 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960 So it's like. I wonder if Decker's is 743 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,680 experimental enough that they might just bring it back for 744 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,840 like a quick flash sale on stuff. 745 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,280 I would be so excited. Yeah, well, the tough thing with 746 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,000 Decker's is because Decker's is multiple companies. 747 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,800 You know exactly. And so for those that don't know 748 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,720 like Decker's is in Santa Barbara and so or Goleta rather 749 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,000 I guess if I'm being technical. It's OK. 750 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,200 It's it's, yeah, we'll get to that another time. 751 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160 But that is. But they're just down the street 752 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,720 from Santa Barbara. I meet in their parking lot 753 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,720 quite a bit to go to the track because they're not that far and 754 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,160 it's a parking lot that's easy to park in. 755 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,000 But they also do Hoka, they do Ugg, they do Teva, they do a lot 756 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,880 of things. And so I think that X Lab 757 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,200 branch, sometimes they're playing around with things and 758 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,240 then maybe it goes to another company out in the stratosphere 759 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,720 and then, you know, like they do something else with it. 760 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:47,720 I don't, I don't know. But yeah, because it seems like 761 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,280 the X Lab, like they make really good stuff, but then it doesn't 762 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,440 stay around for very long and they're kind of doing another 763 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,400 one. So that's kind of my general 764 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,720 hunch with that. But I don't have any 765 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,360 confirmation on that. But the cozy slide, if anyone 766 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,880 out there is listening from that company, please, please remake 767 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,200 that shoe because yeah, I have plenty of people in my immediate 768 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,440 family that absolutely love that shoe and we're very sad to know 769 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,840 they can't buy another pair. But anyways, what was where are 770 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,440 we going? Do you? 771 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,360 Have another one. No, I'm, I'm done. 772 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800 But is that all you had? Is that what you brought up? 773 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,440 That was like my main recovery standard, one kind of shoe, but 774 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,000 there actually is another one for the clinic. 775 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,440 I just don't have it with me because I was thinking slides or 776 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,120 just quote UN quote recovery footwear. 777 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,320 But the on Cloud Runner 2, did you have an opportunity to try 778 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:36,680 that? One. 779 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,440 Yeah, I've, yeah, I've walked. I've worn after work and ran in 780 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440 it. Yeah, like amazing walking shoe. 781 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,960 That's what I took to Disneyland. 782 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,280 And I mean, I put a crap load of steps on that shoe and I wear it 783 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,440 to the clinic all the time. Very good upper, a lot of room 784 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,760 for swelling, accommodation throughout the day, cozy fits 785 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,120 well. You know, the running, I think 786 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,560 it could probably be a little bit better for my own mechanics, 787 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,800 but from a standing and walking standpoint, it's one of my 788 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,600 favorite shoes to walk around in. 789 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,120 And so that is a shoe that I wear outside of running a lot. 790 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,000 Well, let's get into our final category for the night, which is 791 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,760 talking about shoes that we think have the highest value. 792 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,440 And I think what's tricky about this conversation is that value 793 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,560 is going to be defined differently depending on your 794 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,600 situation and who you are, what your finances look like, what 795 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,480 your running needs are, how often you're running. 796 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,360 So I think that take our take on or take our perspective on value 797 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,040 with a grain of salt. And also maybe think about the 798 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,640 concepts that we're thinking of that provide our value. 799 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,720 And then you're going to have to define value for yourself. 800 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,720 But these are ones that we think do carry some value in the 801 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200 entire landscape of the footwear industry. 802 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,720 And that's partially because we get the opportunity to see the 803 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,760 full breadth of it or a lot of the breadth of it. 804 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,320 And so that's kind of where we're going. 805 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,120 And I have two shoes. David, how many did you have for 806 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,680 this category? I have 4:00. 807 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,400 OK, why don't you start then? OK, this one, it's a little bit 808 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,240 of a toss up now I think this shoe could be really good, but 809 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,680 it does run a little bit snug. It runs a little bit small, so 810 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,200 you might have to go 1/2 size up. 811 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,680 I'm just going to preface that right now, but I do think the 812 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,520 value is there. I think the potential is there 813 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,880 and I think it's a fun shoe. It's at about 8 oz give or take 814 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,160 like 8.0 like right on the line there, depending on what size. 815 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,640 This is the Hoka Rincon Fort Rubberized DVA outsole. 816 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,000 It's 125, I think. Retail. 817 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,960 Super lightweight, versatile, rhythmic rocker. 818 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,760 It's kind of like the Rincon's always kind of been like the 819 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,600 lighter, slightly less durable Clifton, but it still has a 820 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,000 decent amount of durability to it and you can still turn over 821 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,720 and do a decent amount. You could do a good amount of 822 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,240 work in it. You know, it's a solid shoe. 823 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,600 Now my review wasn't exactly the high, you know, like I, I was a 824 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,880 little bit hard on it, I think on the review, but a lot of that 825 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,880 I think was fit and sizing. But there's potential for the 826 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,280 shoe to be quite good. Do you pick that shoe over the 827 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,200 Canvara or do you think they're in the similar category? 828 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520 No, that's funny you bring that up because I have a Kanvara 829 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,680 right here. No socking like Kanvara 15. 830 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,080 It's is it in a similar category? 831 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,840 Yes, there's a little bit more on the Rincon now. 832 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,480 The Kanvara feels a little bit more minimal. 833 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,000 It feels a lot more flexible, like you can just you can just 834 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,280 do whatever the heck you want with this. 835 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,640 Where like Hokas in general tend to be a little bit stiffer based 836 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,880 on how they're built now for track work and things like that. 837 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,520 The Canvar is actually pretty nice. 838 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,640 You want a natural feeling shoe under foot without really having 839 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,840 that much bells and whistles. Like it's a, it's just power 840 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,600 run, You know, it's it's an Eva midsole. 841 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,160 It's nothing crazy, but it's lightweight. 842 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,360 It straps your foot well and you can turn over and that's what 843 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,560 some people that's all they want. 844 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,640 And it's a rubberized Eva outsole. 845 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,160 There's just that little bit of rubber on the high contact 846 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,040 areas. But other than that, like it's a 847 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,880 pretty simplistic shoe, but it gets the job done. 848 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,560 And if you can see well enough on the camera there, there's 849 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,320 some red scuffs there. That's because I have one that's 850 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,160 on the track, you know, like they're, that's not me just 851 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,160 talking. I've done it. 852 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,280 And I think if you're looking for a speedy type of shoe, the 853 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520 Canvara wins. But if you want something that's 854 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,760 a little bit more like truly daily training adept or longer 855 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640 efforts, the Rincon probably wins there. 856 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,720 Yeah, and they're both the the Canvara's $120.00, Rincon's 125 857 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,880 S. It's that unfortunately that's 858 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,920 that used to be like the price of the premium trainers like the 859 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,120 GT2000 used to be the 120 like that was the the price 130 was 860 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,840 the really high stuff like that was the the big deal purchases 861 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,120 not that long ago, six years ago even. 862 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,040 But you're looking at these shoes are priced much lower than 863 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,600 the other stuff that that even I have over here. 864 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,640 So good. I'll I'll say my first one. 865 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,320 I'm actually kind of not concerned, but I have a hunch 866 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,280 that you also may have this shoe in your other two. 867 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,400 And I don't know if you do, but it's from ASICS. 868 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,200 Do you have an ASICS shoe or no? Yeah, the this one or no? 869 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,760 Is it a NUSA? Yeah. 870 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,240 I did not have the NUSA, but the NUSA is a great pick. 871 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,160 The NUSA is a great pick. I agree with the pick. 872 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,120 This is the ASICS NUSA Tri 16. David and I both have loved the 873 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,320 Noosa and Matt too, for that matter, like we've we've all 874 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,000 loved this shoe for years. But I think that similar to 875 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,560 those other two shoes that you just brought out the Rincon in 876 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,080 the Kinvara, very simple Eva midsole. 877 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,920 But I think that a six Eva is probably one of the more lively 878 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,720 of the Eva midsole that's out there. 879 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,200 They do a really nice job the shaping and geometry of the try 880 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,320 Noosa is both able to go slow and simple but really pick up 881 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,120 the pace. It's got just enough stiffness 882 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,480 in the forefoot and a nice rocker profile comes in at 883 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,760 $140.00. So this is a shoe that I think 884 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,600 packs a lot of value because I think the Evas that they use is 885 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,280 proven to last for a long time. It's got a rubber outsole, so 886 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,160 you're going to get a lot of life out of there too where 887 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,120 you're not going to chip through a lot of stuff. 888 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,080 Plus I feel like ASICS rubber lasts a long time too. 889 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,880 It's a really durable shoe and then you just have a really 890 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,480 versatile ride where you can take it easy and take it fast. 891 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,480 Comes in $140.00. So this one for me carries a lot 892 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,040 of value just because of the slightly I'm going to lower in 893 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,360 quotations price point in the versatility of the shoe. 894 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,400 Yeah, I think those are all great, valid points. 895 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,120 The Noosa is a very versatile shoe and at the price point, I 896 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,400 think it is a bargain. I have also done hard workouts 897 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,280 in that shoe. Like you said, it's a shoe that 898 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,320 all of us have enjoyed and it's one that I continue to enjoy. 899 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,040 And again, might be on the list for an award later this year. 900 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,160 We'll see. It's definitely on the forefront 901 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960 of my brain and I even though it's not on my list right now 902 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080 for that, but it's one that I'm thinking about. 903 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,680 But my next shoe is also an ASICS. 904 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,160 Do you have any idea of what it could possibly be Value? 905 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,360 We've talked about a lot of ASIC shoes. 906 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,440 Gosh, a little bit of a hot take, honestly. 907 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,520 Is it going to be the Cumulus? Because that'd be funny, because 908 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,080 I said that I would choose the Nova Blast over it every time. 909 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,680 It's not the cumulus. OK, what is it? 910 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,160 No, no. So retail the shoes $250. 911 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,360 Oh my gosh. It's an ASICS meta speed edge 912 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,200 Paris and the reason why this is on. 913 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560 The. Yeah, it help you understand it. 914 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,760 It's the most durable racing shoe on the market. 915 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,080 You want to have the rubber stick to your shoe and you want 916 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,800 to really take the thing home and get your $250 worth out of 917 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,280 all of the shoes that are on the market. 918 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,880 You know, the Flight Foam Turbo is great, the outsole coverage 919 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,760 is really good, the traction works. 920 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,280 It's durable. Even client has a hard time 921 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,200 ripping through it. Like it's a shoe that like for 922 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,680 its price point, if you're truly going to spend that much money 923 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,120 and you want something comparable to a Vapor Fly in 924 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,840 performance, it stacks up and it's it's just it's a lot of 925 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,200 money. Obviously $250 is a lot of 926 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,920 money, but if you want that dollar to go as far as it can 927 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,880 possibly go in a performance shoe, I think as of this year, 928 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,840 that's probably the shoe that's going to hold up the best out of 929 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,000 the bunch. The the FC Elite from New 930 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,360 Balance is also pretty good, I think in that category from 931 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,520 holding up. But I think the edge Paris 932 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,080 though right now might be the gold standard bang for buck as 933 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,280 far as like how many miles can you truly get out of that thing 934 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,680 and and get your money's worth. Yeah, yeah. 935 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,040 And that's, I think that's where that value conversation comes 936 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,120 in. It's like if you, if you're 937 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,520 going to buy the shoe, what's the best value at that price 938 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,480 point? And so I like that. 939 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,440 Well, my, my final one is also in the performance category. 940 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,720 And the way that I wanted to pick this one was in some 941 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,760 similar categories of that. It's like if you're looking for 942 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560 a shoe that is a little bit lighter, a little bit faster, 943 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,720 could race for you, But also I think that for something to be 944 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,600 valuable, it needs to be super durable. 945 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,320 And I think that this shoe has gone through enough iterations 946 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,200 to show it's long standing Ness both for the midsole and the 947 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,640 outsole. And that's the Saucony Endorphin 948 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,520 Speed four. I think that's. 949 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,760 A good. One, my fear with this segment 950 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,480 is that if a company hears that we think these are great values, 951 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,880 that they're going to raise the prices and I don't think they 952 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,960 should do that. I think that they should keep 953 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,280 these prices where they are or lower them down. 954 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,520 But I think that this shoe is $170, which is such an expensive 955 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,560 shoe, right? Like that's just reality. 956 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,840 But it's not 200 and it's not 2:50, but you get a really nice 957 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:50,160 responsive power on PB that is shaped really well, rolls 958 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,680 amazingly off the toe. I think it's just a really fun 959 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,440 shoe. And if you are someone who 960 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,400 doesn't want to go and buy a racing shoe like the $250 961 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,880 category, I think this is your option. 962 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,080 I think that there's and I, there's a couple others that are 963 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,240 in this similar realm, but I think that this one has been 964 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,720 tried and true since it entered the scene however many years ago 965 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,280 now. And $470 can do everything for 966 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,000 you in your training, easy runs, long runs, workouts. 967 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,840 It can also race. You're going to be able to get 968 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,000 typical training miles out of this shoe. 969 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,760 It's not some performance shoe that you're going to only get 970 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,160 100 miles out of. You're going to get a lot of 971 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,240 durability from the mid sole. And I think that's what brings 972 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,880 the value to this shoe. And I hope that they just keep 973 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360 it going and don't raise the price even though we think it's 974 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,680 a value. Yeah, no, I love the pic. 975 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,080 And actually it's kind of funny you bring that shoe up because I 976 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,600 said that I brought the out on Cloud Runner 2 to Disneyland. 977 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,600 That was my walking and standing shoe. 978 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,960 Well, the only other shoe I packed for that trip was the 979 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,160 Endorphin Speed 4. And that can be for the people 980 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,040 that did see me out there running, they can verify that 981 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,480 they were looking at what I was running in. 982 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,600 Yeah, it's it's my travel shoe. It's like I can run easy in it, 983 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,800 I can run hard in it. It has decent durability. 984 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,280 You know, the thing can do everything you need it to do. 985 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,320 So I don't need to take any other shoe with me. 986 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,360 So it makes packing a lot easier. 987 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,960 So I actually do really like that pick. 988 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,400 So my final pick here is a pick that a shoe that I talked about 989 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,640 earlier and it's also it's just on the forefront of my brain 990 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,160 right now, but it's the A6 GT 2000. 991 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,560 It's 140 bucks yeah. You know, like I like a little 992 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,080 bit ago I was talking about how nice the on Cloud Monster Hyper 993 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,360 was at 2:20, right? And the SC trainer at 180. 994 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,240 Yeah, this shoe, this shoe is so nice and fluid and smooth and it 995 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:51,400 works really well for me and it's durable and it's like at 996 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,840 1:40 it's almost, it's like almost. 997 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,480 It's really hard to beat. It's really hard to beat, I'll 998 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,360 put it that way right now at a value standpoint for myself. 999 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,600 But I do like the endorphin speed take. 1000 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,040 I feel like that probably should have been on my list even though 1001 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,400 I didn't grab it. Cool. 1002 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,840 Well, everyone, thanks for joining us for this shoe centric 1003 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,680 episode. 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