1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,840 Hello everybody and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,320 where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,440 art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,280 feet. Presenting partner of this 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,480 podcast is Rabbit Apparel. I'm getting kind of sad because 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,880 it's the time of year where it's getting warmer, which means and 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,040 I'm like a hiddy Hiddy. I'm a hoodie guy. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,520 I wear hoodies all the time, my kids wear hoodies all the time 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,480 and it's warming up around here. Although we just got like over 2 10 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,480 feet of snow last week so it's fine. 11 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:41,520 Everything's fine, but it is getting warm, which means I 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,080 won't be able to wear my hoodie as much and I think that the 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Rabbit hoodie super comfortable. Anyway, if you are wanting to 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,840 check out Rabbit and any of their stuff, they've got a lot 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,880 of summer gear, a lot of like warmer spring weather gear. 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,920 You can go to the running ra-bbit.com, check out 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,200 everything that they have available. 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,520 If you are wanting a discount during the month of April, you 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,800 can use the code spring docs to get 10% off your order. 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,000 What about you guys? Anything that you're looking 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,560 forward to as the temperature start picking up, just in 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,040 general? They also are being later in the 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,280 morning too. It's like most of the winter. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,240 I finally, after years of just being hard nosed about this, 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,640 have given up and been doing like three days a week on the 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,680 treadmill in the morning, just going because I teach class 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,960 early and I'm like, I'm not running outside. 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,600 It's like 34° and raining half the time I'm going to be on the 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,960 treadmill. And I've actually, I've actually 30 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,120 like kind of enjoyed it. It's been a good alternative 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,960 training method does some pretty fast stuff on there. 32 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:45,000 But yeah, just we're looking forward to having it be lighter 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,920 earlier as well as yeah, just some warmer weather. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,280 It we got it got down to freezing this morning, which is 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,000 weird because we were in the 60s, not so actually. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,960 And it got up to 60 today. So it's like 31° in the morning 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,760 and then 60° right now. And so I'm still wearing the 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,840 hoodie just just cuz. But yeah, I'm ready for a little 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,160 bit warmer weather, but not too warm, is David. 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,560 So I mean, you're in paradise, but SoCal's been getting a heat 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,240 wave right now, so I think. It was in the 90s here last 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,800 week. Yeah, it was 95, I think at the 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,280 hottest, which on the coast is, is pretty hot. 44 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:21,000 Definitely a heat wave. Yeah, it's getting, it's coming 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,160 back down. But yeah, as it starts to heat 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,760 up, I got to be a little bit more careful on my timing of the 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,680 runs because I've been doing a lot of runs after work. 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,000 So that's. The heat of the day. 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,520 Yeah, I love how no matter what we talk about, somebody's be 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,320 like, that's not a heat. We were like somebody in 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,440 Phoenix, AZ's be like, that's our winter. 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,280 And so then so if we say it's cold and somebody in the Midwest 53 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,000 where we're gonna be like, that's too warm. 54 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,560 It's all relative. Sorry, what? 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,080 It's all. One of my running friends is 56 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,680 actually. He was walking home from work 57 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,440 and was sending us a a voice message and it was basically 58 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,520 saying like, oh, I'm just sweating. 59 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,640 It's so hot out here. It's like 55°. 60 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:55,840 And he's like, I'm like, dude, you cannot complain yet. 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Like you cannot complain about 55°. 62 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,320 But it is relative because it legitimately feels so hot to us 63 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,600 right now. Yeah, you know, like sub zero to 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,320 50 like. It's it's a big change, but 65 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,560 you're so right and the I'm mad. I'm with you on the the light 66 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,080 because I usually run around 5:15 and we're just at the end 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,600 of our run starting to get a little bit of sunlight and I'm 68 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,280 I'm excited for full lit mornings. 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 It's going to be lit. It's lit. 70 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,840 That was that was bad. But let's move on to our in for 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,880 testing segment talking about all the things that we are 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,040 testing out right now. Matt, what do you got on your 73 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,280 feet? Dude, I got a lot of stuff. 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,400 Probably the one to couple start with a few that are a little bit 75 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,000 older. I got the deviate Natural Elite 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 4, which by the time this comes out, Andrea and our my review 77 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,360 should be really enjoying this shoe. 78 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,920 I think this is the first time since version one I've actually 79 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,720 liked the shoe. Two and three, I think we're a 80 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,200 mess. It really wasn't that special. 81 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,440 This one is very interesting where it's really comfortable as 82 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,120 soon as you go up tempo. Running easy doesn't feel that 83 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,600 good knit, but as soon as you pick up the pace, I've done some 84 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,120 of my fastest workouts in the shoe. 85 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 I was planning to race this weekend, but Regina's sick, 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Isabella's sick, and I was like, hey, if I race, I'm probably 87 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,560 going to go out the deep end. I'm about ready to enter my 88 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,240 spring break. I just have one clinic day 89 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,840 tomorrow. I'm like, I don't want to miss 90 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,880 this. I just let me try to not so I 91 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,240 was going to race but then decided not to. 92 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,680 But if I did it was absolutely going to be in this shoot for a 93 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,959 10K and I'll probably find some race to go do this thing because 94 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:24,480 it's just been great. Ironically, kind of better 95 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,920 landing at the heel and rolling 4 rather than trying to get up 96 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,600 on your toes. I think people that like that 97 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,720 fast star is going to be a better option. 98 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,920 But really solid update. Very aggressive, but not like as 99 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,160 overly stiff and definitely bouncier than version three. 100 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,600 No, it's not stable neutral. It's not even close. 101 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,720 I don't know why people are saying that it isn't another old 102 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,480 one. I have the Supernova Rise 3 from 103 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,760 Adidas. Haven't gotten a ton of miles in 104 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,880 it, just it's really similar to the solution 3. 105 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Like it looks exactly the same just minus the medially 106 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,680 supportive elements, but it's still stable neutral. 107 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,400 It's really stable anyway so I'll probably do a comparison 108 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,200 review. I've got the Ride 19 which 109 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,320 basically feels like a triumph now. 110 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520 It's so different from 18, so much softer. 111 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,480 I'm kind of struggling with this issue a little bit, but people 112 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,040 that want that softer ride, no pun intended, I'm probably going 113 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,920 to like this. I have the on cloud Soma which I 114 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,840 didn't know what to think. I'm really enjoying this shoe 115 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:22,680 turning over and like getting a good trail run. 116 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,240 It actually just fine on road. The lugs are small. 117 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,080 If it just kind of feels like a moderate to lower step, more 118 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,080 moderate stack height shoe that just it's very smooth 119 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,880 transition. They said it's flexible. 120 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,840 It's a little stiff still. What was their ball of that 121 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:39,880 shoe? I it was, it's called the foam 122 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,560 is called Cloudtech Connect. The idea was, I think I'm going 123 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,360 to take this out of context, I think, but from my memory it was 124 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,160 to have a more flexible connected right with the ground, 125 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,040 which it has that somewhat. It's not a minimal shoe though. 126 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,440 It just, yeah, it's one of those things interesting where it's 127 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,160 not low enough that it bothers my Achilles tendon, but it 128 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,040 definitely is close enough that I like can definitely get a 129 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,640 little bit more ankle stuff movement going on. 130 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,040 So very nimble ride. Not the lightest thing on the 131 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,720 market, but just feels really smooth and nimble to run in 132 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,800 Montreal. It's been great. 133 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,440 And then my final one is the on cloud boom Volt. 134 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,280 I don't always forget the name it has. 135 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,120 My wife has been sick the last week and 1/2 so I've been doing 136 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,880 workouts on my own. So I've been using this as like 137 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,680 a treadmill, like second run, second workout shoe. 138 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,200 It's getting better. It was not on my top list when I 139 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,400 first put this on. It was very clunky, very stiff. 140 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,720 It's starting to break in. And I might even say a little 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,640 bit of medial structure, maybe medial stability on the medial 142 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,520 side, just from the side wall, just the plate. 143 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,360 But yeah, just an interesting kind of like up to I feel like 144 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,880 it replaces what shoe am I thinking about that was like 145 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,400 their up tempo shoe that was this is plated, but it wasn't 146 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,880 plated. Cloud Surfer next or the? 147 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,480 No, on cloud. Boom. 148 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,200 Oh, we never got it. I I was looking for it on eBay. 149 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,120 Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. 150 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,800 I wasn't forgetting. This because Flash was the 10K 151 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,280 racer from back when. Yeah, I know which one you're 152 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:10,960 talking to. Zone. 153 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Yeah, yes, yeah. I feel like it kind of replaces 154 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,720 that with like a plated and more like a little more stack height. 155 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Obviously this is actually like I think 41 in the heel, 37 in 156 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,840 the forefoot. I might be wrong, but it's just 157 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,840 it's a stiffer ride. It's a little bit more 158 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,600 traditional on. We'll still be in the lighter 159 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,680 side, not as light as I was expecting. 160 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,640 I thought this was going to be like a 5K10K racer, but 161 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,000 apparently it's like the more quote UN quote budget on cloud 162 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,240 boom of the series that can still race as opposed to clown 163 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,680 boom Max, which is going to be more like slower, easier long 164 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,240 paces. This is like you can pick up the 165 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,640 pace, but I'm still getting used to it. 166 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,960 It's a little bit clunky at times, but I think it just need 167 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,000 to keep breaking it in. Once I break, I'm like once I 168 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,280 warm up, it's it's better. It's just not I don't know what 169 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,400 to think of it yet. I'm still getting miles on it. 170 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,400 So that's what I got. Nice. 171 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,520 Do you happen to know off the top of your head from a foam 172 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,240 standpoint? Like if it's if it's got the 173 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,560 same as the like cloud, cloud it. 174 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:12,360 Says it says Helion HF and I believe it's dual layer on here. 175 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,440 So it does have it. Differentiates a little bit. 176 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Yeah, I just think the plate is so stiff and it's probably close 177 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,440 to the foot that it makes it much a little firmer. 178 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Is it kind of like a zoom fly then where it's got like? 179 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Dual layer. It's both. 180 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,720 It's healing on HF both on the top and the bottom. 181 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,560 I. Feel like oh it's both. 182 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,240 It's HF. Yeah, OK. 183 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,320 But I don't think that's a terrible comparison, to be very 184 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,840 honest. Yeah, super esque lightweight 185 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,720 trainer. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be 186 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,480 super cuz technically it qualifies based on it. 187 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,760 But yeah, that's not far off. Actually. 188 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,360 I'm still trying to figure out how to categorize this, but 189 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,240 that's not a a bad idea so. Yeah, I kind of picture like 190 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,920 that endorphin speed, like just kind of a super critical film 191 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,360 with the plate lightweight trainer. 192 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,920 Yeah, yeah. Sweet. 193 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,120 Well, I have one shoe that I wanted to bring up. 194 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,480 It's the Alta Mesa 500 version 2 from The North Face. 195 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,080 It's a trail shoe of theirs meant for kind of just easy 196 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,880 cruising, hogging up miles. I got some specs here. 197 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,600 It's 9.8 ounces in my men's size 9. 198 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,200 It's got a 6mm drop. It's got a lot of foam, so 44 in 199 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,480 the heel and 38 in the four foot. 200 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,800 And then it's a TPU midsole that's nitrogen infused. 201 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,120 So it does have that kind of super critical feel to it. 202 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:36,160 I took this is the only shoe I took on our trip. 203 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,680 We just went down to visit our niece who is just born down in 204 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:41,880 North Carolina, and then went over the Smokies for a little 205 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,640 while and spent the whole week on my feet hiking around, 206 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,680 playing with the boys. Did a little bit of jogging in 207 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:50,480 it. It feels nice. 208 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,960 I would say from a drop standpoint, like it feels a 209 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,280 little lower than 6mm. It compresses a pretty decent 210 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,520 amount in the heel, but that wasn't a problem for me. 211 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,880 It doesn't make it feel awkward. I did like it for kind of that 212 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,760 combo of hiking around. I felt really good walking 213 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,520 around in it and then it felt good for jogging too. 214 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,680 It's not like a super fast shoe. It didn't give you that like 215 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:15,120 super trail shoe feel, but it did feel, it did feel light on 216 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,080 foot in the fit I found awesome. Really secure through the 217 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,240 midfoot, really open in the forefoot. 218 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,120 I there's not too much toe spring for which is nice. 219 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,120 There's no plate in there. It's just a really, really solid 220 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,560 shoe. I I'm excited to get more miles 221 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:34,640 in it, but I was impressed with my week in this shoe. 222 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Matt, what do you want to say? Yeah, definitely rockered, but 223 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,320 like not a correct toe spring. Yeah, nice wide toe box. 224 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,560 I took that on a few runs. I've taken it on a trail run and 225 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,760 then I was rushing and actually took it on the treadmill. 226 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,040 And whenever on the treadmill, I try to pick up the pace. 227 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,200 It just doesn't do pace pickups well. 228 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,320 It's just not meant for fast running, but like walking easy 229 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,760 be running it just you get more out of the midsole. 230 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,240 It's really interesting to be like, wow, this is really tuned. 231 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,600 This midsole's tuned for all like slower, steady efforts 232 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,000 because I actually got more bounce out of it at solar paces. 233 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,480 When I tried to pick it up, it just it didn't it didn't 234 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,160 respond, but it's it's really, really comfortable. 235 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,680 I've also like stood and walked in in clinic all day. 236 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:17,840 It's great. For me, it's not just only like 237 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,120 super easy, I think it can go into like cruising a little bit 238 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,160 faster than daily mileage pace. Like it, it's not heavy, it 239 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,840 feels. It's under 10 oz. 240 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,960 It feels good. Like I I, I was a big fan of 241 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,560 this shoe, so that's the one I've been testing. 242 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,320 What about you, David? Yes, I've got three things on 243 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,360 the docket here. There's more than this. 244 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,040 I have the Cloud Soma as well and The North Face Alta Mesa 245 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,800 version 2. Cloud Soma is also Helon HF 246 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,480 midsole too. Is it that would make? 247 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Sense Shaping is the connect you're talking about. 248 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,000 The midsole foam itself is Helon HF. 249 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:52,680 You are correct. It does. 250 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,160 It says it on the medial side that says Cloudtech connect on 251 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,320 the lateral side. That was my bad. 252 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,600 Thank you, David. Yeah, I haven't run in it yet, 253 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,240 but it feels nice, like really nice. 254 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,160 So I'm excited to run in it. Definitely a little bit of a 255 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,320 different take. I actually noticed more 256 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,320 flexibility in that shoe than pretty much any other on shoe 257 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,880 I've worn. So I'm curious to see how it 258 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,040 feels once I actually start moving quicker. 259 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,800 I can be a little sensitive when the full platform's flexible and 260 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,640 I'll get into that in a second with another shoe. 261 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,280 But yeah, what's? Up. 262 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,720 I'll also say at what do you have the orange color? 263 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,320 I looked it up. I was in the clinic the other 264 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,600 day and someone was asking me, yeah, I have the orange. 265 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,720 Yeah, it definitely catches eye. I think this shoe a lot. 266 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,920 I wore it all day on Friday in for like teaching and for clinic 267 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,400 stuff and people were like, oh, what are those like? 268 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,640 Wow. It's like, yeah, you guys did 269 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,160 the fashion wise and look wise, you're doing a good. 270 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:47,840 Job. Yeah, it's like that. 271 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,000 Pastel orange, cantaloupe, Peach. 272 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,200 I don't really know exactly. I forgot. 273 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,200 I don't know what their. Verbiage was they had like an 274 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,160 actual an actual name for it. But anyways. 275 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,200 Pumpkin vomit. I'm just. 276 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Kidding. Whoa. 277 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,160 OK. I'm just kidding. 278 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,280 I'm just kidding. Sorry. 279 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,760 No, it's. You're doing great on your 280 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,440 fashion game. You should call it pumpkin 281 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,280 vomit. Oh gosh, it's sunny. 282 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,080 Just kidding. It's it's not that I promise the 283 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,800 watchers can see it's not maybe I know. 284 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,360 This is why I don't do like. Fashion. 285 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,800 They've been doing pastel like colors and I'm for it. 286 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,320 I feel like the colors have been coming out pretty cool anyways, 287 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:36,040 moving on to what I've got on my feet, so also a flexible sole. 288 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,520 This is the Brooks glycerin flex. 289 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Now it's an interesting shoe because it's relatively high 290 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,800 stack. It's at 38 millimeters in the 291 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,440 heel, 6mm drop, 32 in the forefoot. 292 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Very flexible podular design. And so I'm going to try and hold 293 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,840 this up to the camera so the listeners can't see this. 294 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,600 But there is a massive flex groove through the midfoot that 295 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,320 is intentional. I would hope so if they put it 296 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,680 in. And then there's these deep 297 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:08,200 Ridge like grooves that go through into the forefoot as 298 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,720 well, and it creates this podular design. 299 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,480 And if I go to bend it, oh, I can fold it on itself, you know, 300 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,520 pretty easily. And so it's one of those weird 301 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 shoes where DNA tuned is the midsole. 302 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,960 So it's the same midsole that's used in the other Glycerin 303 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,680 models, a little bit firmer, but still very protective and 304 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,200 there's plenty of cushioning under the foot. 305 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,960 It's like 9.1 oz. It's just it's high up. 306 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,320 You have a beveled heel. It's not horrible, it's not 307 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,480 great. Like it's just kind of in the 308 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,920 middle. What do you think? 309 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,000 I actually liked it, I think it's one of the best heel bevels 310 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,400 that bricks has done. Yeah, I mean, it's good, Yeah. 311 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,200 And then the forefoot, there's a little bit of toe spray, but 312 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,680 it's not bad. I mean, it's so flexible, it 313 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,440 doesn't really matter. So when you land, you can really 314 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,960 feel that platform give under you and it does allow you to 315 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,080 kind of move into your natural pathway. 316 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,760 I know. So they are wanting. 317 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,120 But with that with this much flexibility, there's a lot of 318 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,680 stability requirements required as well. 319 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,200 And your joints are going to be moving through larger ranges of 320 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,560 motion as well. And I noticed some calf soreness 321 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,440 running in this. Yeah, just because things are 322 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,840 working more, you know, So it's not a bad shoe. 323 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,360 It's just, I don't think it's going to be the shoe for me. 324 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,960 But if you have really neutral mechanics and you're wanting 325 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,120 something flexible and you've been wanting something flexible 326 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,840 with more stack on it specifically because a lot of 327 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,640 flexible shoes are usually lower down, this does kind of check 328 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,120 those boxes. So I think for a niche crowd, 329 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,000 like it'll actually work and work well. 330 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,120 I just, I don't think it's for me personally. 331 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,560 And the written review will be out on this by the time this 332 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,880 podcast releases. I just wrote it earlier today. 333 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,200 What's that? What's the heel drop? 334 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,520 6 It is 6. OK, got it. 335 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,800 I I did not get along with the fit of that shoe. 336 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,640 I don't know if it more narrow lower. 337 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Volume, it's a little thicker. My foot got a little warm, 338 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,480 especially on the medial side. I wrote about that. 339 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,280 It was on. The lateral side, that's the 340 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,720 medial side. This like lateral soul flare, 341 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,600 the way it's integrated into that knit upper. 342 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,640 I know Andrea had kind of an issue with this too. 343 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,600 Like you have a super deep flex groove and you get a lot of 344 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,400 friction right there because. That's where it fits too. 345 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Yeah, So I got a little bit of a hotspot, no blisters, but it was 346 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,760 something that was noticeable that I felt like was worth 347 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,080 noting. I feel like the upper could be 348 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,600 could be worked out. It's definitely it's not 349 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,680 uncomfortable if you're standing and walking, but it but it does 350 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,520 run warm and then it's a little thicker and it with the flexible 351 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,040 design, I think it just kind of holds that heat a little more. 352 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,120 There's a little bit more friction. 353 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,880 I. Feel like it didn't hold my heel 354 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,800 that well either. I really, really liked the sole. 355 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,040 The upper killed me. It the heel design where it's 356 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,800 got that like which I don't like is where they have that like a 357 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,760 padding around the top just jams right into my Achilles head and 358 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,920 I couldn't I couldn't last in that shoe. 359 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,520 I was I. Didn't really have any issues 360 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,160 with that stuff. It was just more the burn, like 361 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,000 the warmness, you know, where those flex screws were and the 362 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,880 thickness of the material. But we were, yeah. 363 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,240 It has potential, It has potential. 364 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,280 For sure, it's not a bad shoe. Like it's just I, like I said, I 365 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,280 just don't think it's the shoe for me, but I think it's I can 366 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,680 respect what they tried to do and what they did actually. 367 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,440 I mean, I think they did it pretty successfully overall. 368 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,120 I feel like this was their opportunity where they brought, 369 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:34,480 do you remember the Aurora BL? I feel like this was like 370 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,480 bringing that concept to the main main line stuff because, 371 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,000 well, adjacent main line because it's the flex of the glycerin, 372 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,640 But that had that huge groove through the midfoot too. 373 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,680 They just didn't have any grooves up through the forefoot. 374 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,360 I don't think in the BL. I'm just, I'm, I'm not, I'm not 375 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,560 going to say I'm skeptical, but I'm just curious about what they 376 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,920 learn because they do a lot of biomechanical testing with 377 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,240 runners. And I'm just wondering what they 378 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,600 learned about why they chose to do the placement of that huge 379 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,800 thing through the midfoot where we don't flex. 380 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Did you learn anything about that, Matt? 381 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,960 Yeah, so, but when I was talking with a few people including Evan 382 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,600 Day and others, and then also a couple people at CSM because 383 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,840 they had a Brooks booth, it's supposed to represent because of 384 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,840 the angle from my understanding, the sub tailor joint and 385 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,640 supposed to be able to like uncouple and couple as you 386 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,680 pronate and supinate. And then that's kind of their 387 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,040 major thing. And then it's again it it's also 388 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,120 it's supposed to be able to do both where it's supposed to be 389 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,280 able to get flexible as you land and then lock up as you go off. 390 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,080 So that was what I was told. Again, the validity of that. 391 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,280 I don't. I don't have data and haven't 392 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,360 asked about that so. So they're thinking more of a 393 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,840 torsional versus a longitudinal with some of the what are the 394 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,480 flex? That major one, yes, but then 395 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,960 there's a coupling. It also happens as it locks up 396 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,280 that supposedly the forefoot is then the flex screws. 397 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,720 They're supposed to take over the rest of it as you transition 398 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,760 onto the forefoot. Interesting. 399 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,760 I guess if you stretch it, I'm thinking, I'm just thinking from 400 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,840 a mechanic standpoint, if it allows the flexibility and the 401 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,760 foam gets stretched, that foam is going to want to recoil back 402 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,560 to its original. So maybe they're saying that's 403 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,480 the re supination kind of part of the gate anyway. 404 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,280 Interesting. Any other ones, David? 405 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Yeah, I got two more. Great. 406 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,520 So we've got the Saucony Ride 19 as well. 407 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,840 So what's up I? Want to know what you think We 408 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,000 have to wait? I think it's cool so far. 409 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,480 I mean, it does feel like a triumph. 410 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,600 It feels the least righty of the bunch. 411 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,560 You know, over the time, a little bit more bulbous, very 412 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,600 wide platform under foot lot of soul flaring going on. 413 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,280 It's moved to well, the power M plus almost feels more like 414 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,440 power MPB in a weird way. I don't know why, but yeah, it's 415 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,720 it's plush and the upper material too is also more plush 416 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,320 than previous rides. So this this does kind of feel 417 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,680 like a triumph. Yeah, I haven't run in it yet. 418 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,120 I'm going to get all my miles this week in this and then get 419 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,920 the written review out. So that'll be coming very 420 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,640 shortly. It was Glycerine Flex and then 421 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,680 this shoe on my docket. So that'll be coming in the very 422 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,320 immediate future for those that want that. 423 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,200 But overall it's not bad. You know, I think it fits pretty 424 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,680 well overall. It's pretty comfortable. 425 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,880 It's just plush. It doesn't really feel like the 426 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,520 previous rides. Do we get information? 427 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Because with the Sockney stuff about the what the next Triumph 428 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,200 is going to look like, because usually they plan this out, 429 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,320 we're like whatever the ride is, the Triumph is going to contrast 430 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,840 heavily. So would you say it's like a 431 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,520 triumph or you're saying it's like a triumph 22 like when they 432 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,360 change to that or it's like, oh really? 433 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,160 Not like a Not like the triumphs of old. 434 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,800 No, like 19 where it was like super heavy with power and plus 435 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,920 it's not like no, this isn't that heavy, no. 436 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,560 It's like the triumph. 22 It's still light. 437 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Yeah, this is still pretty light. 438 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,960 It's just soft. Yeah, it's very different 439 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,920 though. Yeah. 440 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Yeah, more like you told me, Platform Rockard like it, it is 441 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,440 going in the steps of like what the Triumph did. 442 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,440 Yeah. Yep, if you told me the midsole 443 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,040 was power and PB and you painted over the power and plus part I 444 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,040 would believe you. Yeah, it kind of feels more like 445 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,480 power and PB to me. I don't know why. 446 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Right like power and PB trainer version, not like super. 447 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,800 Yeah, yeah. Interesting. 448 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,040 Yeah. So ride 19. 449 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,200 I think I'm gonna like it though. 450 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,800 You know, I just, it's different than the previous ones. 451 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,520 The other one here is going to be the speediest of the bunch 452 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:31,480 probably. And this is the Adidas Terex 453 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,800 Aggravitch Speed suit. Yeah. 454 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,720 So this one very aggressive design meant to go fast on the 455 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,080 trails. Snappy light Strike Pro midsole 456 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,320 and the one thing I am nervous about. 457 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,040 This. Is a pretty narrow foot, yeah. 458 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,080 I'm not sure how ankles already rolling. 459 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,440 My ankles rolled already. Yeah, I mean, the forefoot's 460 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,360 pretty wide at its widest point, you know, I just, and it's a 461 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:06,040 full length continental outsole. There's no gift to it anywhere, 462 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,400 you know. So I, I, it might run more 463 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,880 stable than it looks, but that'll be coming in the next 464 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,720 couple weeks too. That's going to be my next trail 465 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,120 model that I'm going to be taking out. 466 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,720 Do not try anything lateral in that shoe. 467 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,240 I'm going to go on trails my guy. 468 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,320 How do I avoid lateral medial? Yeah, it's just winding turtles 469 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,320 and rocks. Walters, Battlesnakes and. 470 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,400 That's what I'm saying. My ankles are already rolled. 471 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,680 For those who do want something a little more stable, Adidas did 472 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,240 come out with a more stable version, although it does the 473 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,200 weight jumps up quite a bit. It's called a graphic TT where 474 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,280 they have a much wider midfoot, some more significant side 475 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,800 walls, which is kind of the biggest difference here, which 476 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,680 obviously with more outsole material, wider, more material 477 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,560 makes it heavier. But it's not bad. 478 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,760 It just it this loses the snappiness that that version 479 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,760 has. Like I did really like that 480 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,880 shoe, even though there was not stable enough for me, the 481 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,280 midfoot, it can pick up the pace. 482 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,720 I did track workouts in that shoe, I ran on trail, I ran on 483 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,400 sand, I ran all kinds of stuff. But yeah, that midfoot can get 484 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,640 to you after a little bit. Yeah, it almost reminds me of 485 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,040 like a Takumi Sun with a trail outsole. 486 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,640 Kind of, yeah. Yeah. 487 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,160 Cool. Well that's everything we got in 488 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,480 for testing. As always, this segment is 489 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,320 fueled by Scratch Labs and if you are looking for anything for 490 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,280 on the run, hydration or recovery stuff, they've got 491 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,520 everything that you may need. You can use the code docs 492 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,680 running to get 20% off your first order. 493 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,840 I have some good news from them though. 494 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,520 I, they sent us some of their new flavors and they sent mango. 495 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,200 So they have a mango hydration sport like their normal stuff, 496 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,120 and then they have it with and without caffeine. 497 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,040 And then they added a caffeinated version of the lemon 498 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,560 lime too. That mango stuff I think is my 499 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,040 favorite flavor now. And Matt, I know you've been 500 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,640 calling for watermelon, but this might, might take it. 501 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,720 I don't know if you've tried it yet. 502 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,600 I haven't yet. I haven't gotten it. 503 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,760 So I was curious when you posted that on Instagram and I was 504 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,440 like, all right, we shall see. Yeah. 505 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Cool. But today we get to jump into 506 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,480 the mailbag. We have a lot of questions. 507 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,240 We'll see how many of them that we get through, but we're 508 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,920 excited to talk about some of this stuff. 509 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,400 As always, when we do a mailbag, we get a lot of very specific 510 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,280 details about people's situations, and we make sure to 511 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,120 try to keep what they want confidential, confidential. 512 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,720 But we're also not giving specific medical advice. 513 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,120 We're just talking about the concepts found within the 514 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,160 questions. So we're going to jump into the 515 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840 first one here, and this is from Hugo and Hugo writes this. 516 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,240 I've been reading Matt's reviews on both the on Hyper Three, I 517 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,600 think the Cloud Monster Hyper 3 and the Saucony Azura. 518 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,560 Which one do you think is more stable and better suited for a 519 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,240 midfoot striker with some preference towards some 520 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,200 pronation support? Also I'm about 98 kilograms so 521 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,880 on the heavier side for a runner if that helps. 522 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,960 Oh that's interesting, you said it was Azura. 523 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680 Makes sense. The other one was the what the? 524 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,320 Cloud Monster Hyper 3. That's a great question because 525 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,720 the on Cloud Monster Hyper 3 and it's LS cousin are actually very 526 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,360 stable neutral like surprisingly so. 527 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,560 Side walls are really high and the arch is really high on the 528 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,440 medial side. So if you need something like 529 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,960 that, I've done long runs, I've done workouts in that shoe and 530 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,720 it's been absolutely fine for me. 531 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,920 The Azura is also a really good option. 532 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,760 It's a it's a little bit lighter. 533 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,760 It has that lateral cut out. It's got it was not intended to 534 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280 be stable neutral, but it accidentally did on the medial 535 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,600 side. Man, that's a good question. 536 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,760 I think either one of those would work, but I will say the 537 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:59,320 on cloud monster hyper 3 is more more in is more obvious in that 538 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,720 way. So I think and also like the 539 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,680 stack heights aren't supposedly that different. 540 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,560 But for me, I'm liking the firmer and snappier ride out of 541 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,320 the the cloud monster 3 hyper. Whereas the Azura starts to 542 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,000 soften up a little bit. It's a really rocker ride. 543 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,160 The hyper is a little bit more snappy. 544 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,560 So if you want really this, both shoes are going to work well. 545 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,360 They have similar heights. If you want firmer and snappier, 546 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,840 little bit more medially stable, I would go Cloud Monster 3 547 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,120 hyper. If you want a little bit soft 548 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,160 after a more rocker rolling ride, I would go. 549 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,800 It's a little bit very much more mild guidance. 550 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600 I would go with Azura, but both are probably going to work. 551 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,360 They've worked surprisingly well for me with in that regard. 552 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,480 David, do you have anything to add if? 553 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,960 I was choosing between the two. I think I'd actually go Azura, 554 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,880 so I'm not going to help that conversation. 555 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,160 No, it's fine. But they are both. 556 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,920 They're both super stable. I don't think there's really a 557 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,320 wrong answer there, but I think with the Azura being a little 558 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,280 bit lower, the power in PB in that does feel pretty firm and 559 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,680 the way the soul flaring set up and the how stiff that 4 foot is 560 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,760 like on that 4 foot rocker. Like to me, the way I land that 561 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,120 feels just more stable and a little more grounded to me than 562 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,360 the cloud Monster Hyper 3 where you have that thick slab of 563 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,400 healing on HF and then you have the cloud tech kind of around it 564 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,840 to stabilize it. I also feel like for me the heel 565 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,760 is a little more stable in the Cloud Monster Hyper 3 because of 566 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,960 that thick chassis of cloud tech and that sets up the rest of the 567 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,200 ride a little bit more. Whereas like in the Azura, I 568 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,160 feel it much more in the forefoot and midfoot. 569 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,080 You could argue the midfoots are compared are similar just 570 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,720 because of the way it's set up in the heel of the Cloud Hyper 571 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,080 3. But yeah, Cloud Monster Hyper 3. 572 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,640 But there's not a wrong answer. But I think being at like 40mm 573 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,600 roughly in the Azura, a little bit firmer, a little bit more 574 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,520 soul flaring, really like stiff soul up front. 575 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Like I feel like I get more quote unquotes like support, 576 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,560 control, guidance, whatever you want to call it out of that. 577 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400 But neither is bad. They're both good and the 578 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,080 monster is higher up too. And the foam itself, the Helon 579 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,680 HFI actually find that portion of it to be a little softer, 580 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,640 even though the cloud SEC firms up the rest of the ride. 581 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,320 So I feel like you still get a little bit more give in that 582 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,480 foam, especially like on downhills and things. 583 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,040 I completely agree actually. My, I think the other part of 584 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,880 this question that we can have a little bit of a spin off 585 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,040 discussion is about this idea of weight and shoe selection. 586 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,800 So he was just referencing that he's on the heavier side for a 587 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,800 runner. Does that influence what kind of 588 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,760 shoes might work best from a stability standpoint? 589 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,400 I think we could talk about durability, we could talk about 590 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920 responsiveness of shoes, you could talk about compliance, all 591 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,120 these different things. They're specifically kind of 592 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040 asking from a stability standpoint if that's going to be 593 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,600 impacted by the weight of the runner. 594 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,840 Do people have thoughts on that? You know, I might be wrong, but 595 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,040 I don't think there's any evidence on weight and stability 596 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,080 needs. It still might be. 597 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,800 It's obviously going to be unique to each person. 598 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,200 There's research on injury risk and stack height and weight 599 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,200 where the only kind of big view actually, I mean, to be 600 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040 actually, to be honest, the only group that that it has to 601 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,600 produce injury risk it with higher stack height is people 602 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,960 with lower relative body weights, not heavier. 603 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160 The only group, the people that have greater body weights tend 604 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,120 to actually just do better in like moderate stack heights, 605 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,120 stuff like the average and they tip typically may not do as well 606 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,560 in like low, low stack shoes, but there's there's obviously 607 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,480 variability with people who are going to do that. 608 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,240 So I think it honestly comes down way down to comfort to be 609 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,800 honest, right? It's like what's comfortable for 610 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,000 you, There's some other unique factors how your body's doing 611 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,600 dealing with that weight is a unique variable that's kind of 612 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,240 hard to predict, so. Yeah. 613 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,640 I don't really have anything to add there. 614 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,200 I felt like you summed that up pretty good. 615 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,320 Yeah, I'd agree. Great. 616 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,240 Well, let's move on to Brian's questions. 617 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,760 Brian asked this. My question is about an around 618 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,960 IT band syndrome. I have ran for a couple of years 619 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,920 in the Nova Blast 5 on the treadmill and pavement in the 620 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Peregrine Fifteens for trail runs. 621 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,840 Never had any knee pain and ran a couple of five KS and 10 KS in 622 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,240 my Nova Blast just fine, but they're not the fastest shoes in 623 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,600 the world. Recently purchased the ASIC 624 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,440 Super Blast Threes to add some speed work but after 20 minutes 625 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,040 I had pain on the outer part of my right knee. 626 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,480 My PT defined it as IT band syndrome. 627 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,600 She gave me some exercises to strengthen my groups and hips 628 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,560 and alleviate some friction. However, in doing more research 629 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400 I'm finding the Super cushion soft shoes may not be the best 630 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,240 for me as they do not provide enough stability compared to 631 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,640 Novoblast and Peregrines. Any recommendations for a heel 632 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,360 striker with IT Band syndrome for an upgraded daily trainer 633 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,720 and race shoe non plated? I would like my Nova Blast to be 634 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520 for the treadmill and light recovery days outside, but would 635 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560 like a new shoe for speed work and races. 636 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,240 I'm not going to make a suggestion on a new shoe was 637 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,640 ironic that Andrea and her review of the Superlast 3 talked 638 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480 about this exact thing where and I think it's because the amount 639 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,320 of this is not necessarily a bad thing. 640 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,040 This is something to pay attention to for certain people. 641 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,600 The Superlast 3 in my opinion, is much softer and there's a lot 642 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,400 more lateral soul flare. And although not as evidence 643 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,160 based, there is some testimonial like correlation between people 644 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320 that there's a lot of lateral sole flare and irritation of 645 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,920 some of the lateral structures on like IT band and stuff like 646 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,480 that. So I tell you, that's experience 647 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,160 for me where I think it just kind of pivots me in more and 648 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,800 there's kind of more stress on my tensor fascia lotta and other 649 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,560 muscles that help control some of those motions. 650 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,240 So that's, you know where I have that. 651 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,360 So I think whatever shoe you get, I still needs to be 652 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,560 comfortable, but just avoiding that excessive lateral sole 653 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,520 flare, IE the sole extending really far out lap to the side 654 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,120 of the foot. So this shoe that I'm holding up 655 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,280 for those who are watching, isn't this shoe does have flare 656 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,360 on both the outside. So lateral is the outside and 657 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,800 medial is the inside. The flare is when the when the 658 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040 midsole comes out further than where your foot is on the 659 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,920 platform. So what you're saying, Matt, 660 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,560 though for it, for their question, it might be less about 661 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,240 the stack and compliance of the foam and more about the 662 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,160 geometric construction and having some flaring that might 663 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,440 mess with how it makes your foot move one way or another. 664 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,280 Right. That's a total gas and Andrew 665 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,480 and I both talked about this because each person has unique 666 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,200 factors that that contribute to things. 667 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,000 But that's something just to pay attention to. 668 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,120 Because I was going to say on the flip side of this that it 669 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,320 might not even be a lack of stability, was it? 670 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,800 Because I think the other part is if you have for myself, this 671 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,480 is an anecdote for me, in my experiences, especially five 672 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,840 years ago when I was testing a lot of our shoes that were sent 673 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,040 that were stability models, they would pitch me outward, which 674 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,600 led to a little what's called knee varus or at least some 675 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,400 point of sort of stress. So my thigh would come down, my 676 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,280 shin would kind of come in. That can happen from too much 677 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,400 structure on the inside in theory and and that led to IT 678 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400 band irritation. Like I would go on a run in a 679 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,160 posted shoe and I would have the same thing happen. 680 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,320 I have IT band symptoms within that first run. 681 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,640 And so we have to be kind of that that comes back to the idea 682 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,320 of comfort, but finding that just right middle ground. 683 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,840 And so I think it's less about the foam, more about the 684 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880 construction. And maybe for this person, 685 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920 Brian, like you're just sensitive to the type of 686 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520 construction within shoes and you can just look for something 687 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,160 that's a little more similar and width on the bottom to your 688 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,080 Noble Blast, which is also pretty wide. 689 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,160 I think if we're honest, that has does not have a small 690 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,880 platform, but it is less wide than the Super Blast by a little 691 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,280 bit. David, thoughts? 692 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,320 Yeah, we got to pick some shoes. Yeah. 693 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,719 Yeah, I mean, so wait, they've been running in the Nova Blast 694 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,400 and there was one other one. What was it? 695 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,199 Peregrine. Oh peregrine for trails so very 696 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,760 firm. Low down Nova blast, little 697 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:26,199 higher up still firmer ish foam. Honestly it wouldn't be too bad 698 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,080 to look at the Azura. Little bit firmed up, no plate 699 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,400 rocker profile, responsive enough to turn over and do some 700 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000 workouts in. Azura being the Saucony 701 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,120 endorphin Azura for the full model name. 702 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,639 Just thinking about it, the Super blast three. 703 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,239 I I agree completely with you guys. 704 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,840 Like what you said, I that fly foam leap is really soft and 705 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,159 you've got to like that and that platform's so wide. 706 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,639 So like when it's really soft like that, again, anecdotally, 707 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,520 it can almost feel like that soul flaring is almost like 708 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,440 undercutting the platform a little bit where it almost like 709 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,800 kind of wedges you to where you almost get a little bit of extra 710 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960 irritation on those structures, whether that be medial or 711 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,080 lateral. And I tend to be a little 712 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,800 sensitive to that laterally sometimes. 713 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,880 But for some reason, Super Blast three worked just fine for me. 714 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,160 I had zero issues. But I've had issues with that 715 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,080 with the Solomon, Oh my gosh, Arrow Glide 4. 716 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,760 But it is less dramatic than the Super blast. 717 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,560 So that could actually be a good option too, because that's also 718 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,920 a super critical midsole, bouncy, lightweight. 719 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,000 It can do a little bit of everything, but I think I'd be 720 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,440 leaning more towards the Azura in this specific situation. 721 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,360 But I don't know. I mean there's so many out 722 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,360 things out there. Just try them on and see what 723 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,680 speaks to you. I'd be hesitant to go soft like 724 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,920 a rebel, like a New Balance rebel or something like. 725 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,560 That, and that's not that fast anymore either. 726 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,960 Yeah, but yeah, I I probably lean Azura on this one, 727 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,520 honestly. Matt, do you have any others 728 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,600 that popped in your mind? I mean classic is like Evo SL, 729 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,160 but I think David's right because Evo SL can push you a 730 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,440 little bit more. Could be a good one. 731 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,160 Medial not a terrible option, but the Zero has just been a 732 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,720 solid really, especially at 150 bucks. 733 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,000 Although the Evo sell is too. I'm trying to think what else 734 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,760 kind of faster might be a good. Just so many companies throw 735 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,760 some sort of plate in in these shoes meant for speed, and I 736 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,320 think that's what makes it hard. And on the on the flip side of 737 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,840 that, just for something I would have anybody consider, you know, 738 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,120 just because it has a plate doesn't mean it's acting like a 739 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,560 plated shoe, because I think that the Super blast acts like a 740 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,840 plated shoe because of how longitudes stiff it is. 741 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,760 So I think the presence of a plate doesn't make it feel like 742 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,160 a plated shoe or have the impacts of a plate that we kind 743 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,840 of ascribe to it because you can have like I think of the 744 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,600 Endorphins speed is also an option that shoes not, you know, 745 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,240 it has a plastic plate, but it doesn't really add that much 746 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,480 longitudinal bending stiffness that's more flexible than the 747 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000 Super blast. So I think there's there's some 748 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,880 options in that realm too that. If they're OK with some 749 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,240 flexibility too, like Mizuno, Neo Zen could be a potential 750 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,560 option. Might be a little too soft, but 751 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,880 it. Yeah, I was going to say it 752 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,800 doesn't feel as quick. 2. 2 Yeah, yeah, the newest version, 753 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200 yeah, yeah, yeah. Mizuno, Neos and two. 754 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,760 Cool, Matt, you have another one you're thinking about. 755 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,720 Mach X3. Very stiff plated. 756 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,960 How about Mach 6 though? Mach 6 can turn over pretty 757 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680 good. Or or the cyclone from Topo. 758 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000 Yeah, both those. I mean, if he wants cushion, 759 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,920 Cyclone's not going to be. That's not true, actually. 760 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,480 That's a. Great cycle in the 30s. 761 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,760 It's very flexible though. Yeah, you're. 762 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,880 Totally right it is. Yes, I was wrong. 763 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080 Yep. Hey, isn't the box 7 out? 764 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,200 Don't you test that I? Don't know, I'll have to chat. 765 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360 With that was a quiet relief. If it was, I actually didn't 766 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,800 know it was out. Yeah. 767 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,240 All right. We're ready for the next one. 768 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,000 All right, so Chris is asking a follow up question to our recent 769 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680 episode that I think it was just Matt and I, we talked about 770 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,440 strength training and runners and kind of our own routines and 771 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,520 stuff like that. And so Chris said this, just 772 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,560 finished your episode on strength training to support 773 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,440 running. Really appreciate the simplicity 774 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,640 of your routines. I'm definitely guilty of doing 775 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,160 too much load between my running and lifting, and I'm suffering 776 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,360 right now from a meniscus tear as a result, and it's not fun. 777 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,760 I'm curious to know if either of you do any upper body exercises, 778 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,160 bench press, overhead press, etcetera, and how they fit into 779 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,760 your weekly routines. As David knows, I don't believe 780 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,720 in the upper body. It doesn't exist. 781 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,280 You run with your legs and that's it. 782 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,680 I'm kidding. I'm kidding. 783 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,680 Like that was out of nowhere. But I feel like in the past I've 784 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,640 mentioned exercises and you've like razzed me for not bringing 785 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,840 up the upper body like. I am a big T spine postural 786 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,720 stability kind of guy. Yeah, not that that drives 787 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,920 everything obviously. Condition your legs please. 788 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,840 Like I like we're a full functioning unit, not just caps. 789 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,200 Yeah. So I'll go quick with this one. 790 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,840 So Chris, what I do is I work in upper body once a week and I do 791 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,240 core kind of like trunk work front and front and or back 792 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,600 twice a week. And I didn't even add them into 793 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,480 my routine list, even though I kind of do them right at the 794 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,200 end, but they're just not a huge part of my routine. 795 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,080 But I do have some sort of either bench or kind of like 796 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,280 compound that I add to some of the lifts that I've that I've 797 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,240 mentioned in my routine. And then I typically do some 798 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,240 sort of row and work for my back and kind of the postural support 799 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,840 muscles, but usually just once a week for me. 800 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,880 Kind of and touch them. So if anybody has seen someone 801 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,640 in the Newburgh, Sherwood or tired area at the gas station 802 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,200 putting a kettlebell overhead repeatedly while he's getting 803 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,160 gas? Stop it. 804 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,200 Are you serious? Yeah, well, I make. 805 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,520 Great shoulder stability exercise. 806 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,600 Yeah, so I've got a I've worked my way up to like 3040 lbs like 807 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,840 with my 30 LB kettle. Bowl holding it by the handle 808 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,200 with the belt up. Are you? 809 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,320 No. Oh, by the belt. 810 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,640 Oh, here I haven't done that one yet, but just base or like or 811 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:25,560 like more like the handles here and here I'm I'm hanging on 812 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,120 slowly working my weight to get the handle and thing overhead. 813 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,160 But if you. Could do that you? 814 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,920 See, doing that, yeah, I can't do with 40 yet. 815 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,720 I keep trying, but 30 right now, I'll do like a couple sets while 816 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,960 I'm waiting and my car is filling up with gas at least 817 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,680 once a week. And then one other time I'll do 818 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520 that. And then the rest are bodies. 819 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,640 A lot of rows with the heavy kettle bells that I have where 820 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,640 it's just like, hey, after I do deadlifts, I'll just do a couple 821 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,560 extra to add on to kind of superset just 'cause I'm looking 822 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,560 to build both strength but also some endurance when I'm already 823 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,800 a little fatigued in trunk. So just kind of efficiently add 824 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,160 it in and don't think too much of it. 825 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,960 That's awesome. Yeah, I do a lot of rows. 826 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,760 I do a lot of carries, yeah, I'll do some anti rotation stuff 827 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,840 if that counts. I mean it's obviously multiple 828 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,960 groups working at the same time, but like PAL, off press, stuff 829 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,720 like that. I feel like I, yeah, yeah, I 830 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,800 also, I feel like I'm cheating too 'cause I get a ton of it 831 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,760 throughout the week since I work with a ton of George Fox 832 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,520 athletes. So like I'm demoing or doing 833 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,360 stuff with them and I'm like it's not consistent but just it 834 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,080 happens. Yeah. 835 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,040 I mean, being in the clinic, right, We're demonstrating 836 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040 things all the time, Yeah. But yeah, a lot of. 837 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,400 I guess that doesn't count, yeah. 838 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640 But I suppose I'd probably favor posterior chain a little more 839 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,080 than anterior because we don't, we're not football players or 840 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160 basketball players. We don't have to push super hard 841 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,720 very often. You, you do. 842 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,320 Actually, it makes a lot of sense for you. 843 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,520 You are a very unique individual in this conversation, my friend. 844 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,680 But Matt, what cord workout do you do try to control a 70 LB 845 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,400 stroller at 5:30 pace? Yeah. 846 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,280 I'll do some plyometrics too, like clapping, push ups and 847 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,920 things like that. Just like I need a little bit 848 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120 more spring out of the arms. If you, that was more like when 849 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,080 I was on a track, but like if you have to turn over really 850 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,840 quick and like get the arms a little bit more snappy. 851 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,400 Well I'm actually to be his clap push ups. 852 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,880 I So I should actually do? Yeah, probably not E. 853 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,560 Six you should be able to Nate. Probably like anywhere from 8 to 854 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,720 10 times a day. I do actually have to do very 855 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:42,160 fast sometimes, like quick eccentrics and quick concentric 856 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,080 upper body like trunk rotation, arm reaching out to grab 857 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,040 Isabella before she's about to do something. 858 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,000 So technically she's like a 30 LB weight. 859 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,480 So how does that count? But she's not listening. 860 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,320 I'm like, no, don't go that way. It's. 861 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,720 Good stuff, but it's not the majority of what I'm doing, 862 00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,720 right? I I toss a little bit in and it 863 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,280 complements the other things I'm doing. 864 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,000 Yeah. It's like the little seasoning 865 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,160 salt, you know, you just are like the finishing salt. 866 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,560 You put it on top at the end, you know. 867 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,440 All right. Next question is from Dario from 868 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,200 Slovenia. They're asking this. 869 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,360 My name is Dario. I'm police officer candidate 870 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,280 from Slovenia. And I've recently become a big 871 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560 fan of your technical approach to shoe reviews. 872 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,480 I'm reaching out because I've hit a bit of a shoe wall and 873 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,840 would value your expert perspective. 874 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,240 Not the shoe wall behind you, Matt. 875 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,920 So for the past year I've been using the ASICS Gel Tribute Go 876 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,760 12 for everything. My daily casual shoe is a 877 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,640 certain size, but they size up for for running and the swelling 878 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,080 that happens with runs. While they are fantastic on 879 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,480 trail runs, using them for Rd. runs has led to persistent lower 880 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,800 leg pain. My PT suggested that this is 881 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,720 likely due to the lugged trail shoe on hard pavement lacking 882 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,080 the specific Rd. stability that they might need. 883 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,080 So they're on a search for a new shoe for the road and they said 884 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,760 this. I'm currently debating between 885 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:10,000 the Brooks A General Adrenaline GTS 25-A6 Gel Kiano 32 and 886 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,480 Mizuno Wave Inspire 22. Given the background information 887 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,320 here, which with these would you recommend for a heavier runner 888 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,440 to manage the impact forces while staying responsive? 889 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,720 Are there any other stable, neutral, or dedicated stability 890 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,800 options I've overlooked that handle high mass loading better? 891 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,440 So I will, even though we haven't reviewed it here, I've 892 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,760 always kept tabs unless you're broke because it is technically, 893 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,080 although they don't call it this anymore based on the 894 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,280 construction is technically still like a stable and has been 895 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,120 a stability issue in the trail lineup for ASICS. 896 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,480 For some time we reviewed it last time. 897 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,920 What did we I did? Oh, that's right. 898 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,960 We did. Yeah, that's right. 899 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,560 So David, maybe you should comment on that. 900 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,920 I was going to say sick with the ASIC stuff. 901 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,280 I, I, the adrenaline's not very responsive. 902 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,200 So if he's wanting something that has some bounce to it, 903 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,440 that's definitely not it. The Kiano's probably the closest 904 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,880 thing. But David, why don't you go? 905 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,920 You got the most experience with it. 906 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,120 Yeah. Oh, well, you know what? 907 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,400 Actually, I was in the Trabuco light or the speedy one. 908 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,280 Yeah, the. Trabuco's a a different yeah 909 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,320 beast. Yeah, so maybe I'm not the right 910 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,560 person, but anyways, I I would honestly just encourage them to 911 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,240 go into a running store and try on a bunch of shoes. 912 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,400 It sounds like if you're in trail shoes all the time for 913 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,560 everything, that means you're probably not super accustomed to 914 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,680 wearing Rd. models. So I don't know if I would lean 915 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,680 super hard into the stability category between the Adrenaline, 916 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,200 Kiano, and Inspire respectively. Not that any of them are bad 917 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,120 shoes, but they're all different designs from each other. 918 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,120 The Trabuco is a high drop firmer platform though right? 919 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,120 So then I would if if I'm forced to decide, I would go probably 920 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,840 between. The not yeah, higher stack 921 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,480 height, not necessarily higher drop, but yeah. 922 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,240 I thought it was. I thought it was like 10 or 12. 923 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,160 I don't. Think so. 924 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,160 I'll look it up, guys. Double check, keep talking, keep 925 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,000 going. Yeah, 'cause if it isn't that 10 926 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,880 or 12 category, the Inspire is going to be the closest to 927 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000 matching that experience wise, probably from Mizuno. 928 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,280 If it's a little bit lower than you go adrenaline and if it's 929 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,840 the Kiono is going to be the most rockered, it's going to be 930 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,640 a little bit different. So I think it really just comes 931 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,960 down to if you want a rounded bottom with some stability, the 932 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,360 I mean the Kiono is a great shoe, right? 933 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,000 It was our stability shoe of the year last year. 934 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,400 But it is different from the traditional trail design that 935 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,400 you're describing. I think if I'm trying to mimic 936 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,960 the closest thing to that, I'm leaning towards the Mizuno 937 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,240 Inspire, but I actually haven't run in the most recent Inspire. 938 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,840 Like I know they changed it quite a bit, so that's also like 939 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,720 8mm. So then maybe the adrenaline 940 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,920 could be a option kind of more in the middle. 941 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,440 The trouble is the adrenaline just isn't a response if he's 942 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,840 got, he said. The word response got it. 943 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,520 It's just not a responsive shoe. It's not meant for that great 944 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,560 walking shoe. Just not a lot of pop out of 945 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,680 that midsole, which is fine and some people don't want that. 946 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,400 But yeah, that's where I kind of lean to the kind of which is a 947 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,680 little bit more bounce into it. If the kind of is too 948 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,800 aggressive, Even though I'm going to take Flack for this, I 949 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,280 think the Nimbus might actually be a good alternative since it's 950 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,040 also in that like 810mm drop now. 951 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:20,640 It's not, in my opinion, soft. It's very stable, neutral in 952 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,440 that regard and very durable. Specs are fairly similar in that 953 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,680 regard. Just gonna not not as firm Mr. 954 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,560 Pico. But Nimbus is kind of what I was 955 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,800 thinking to be honest. How do y'all compare the 956 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,480 adrenaline to the glycerin when it comes to responsiveness? 957 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,800 So Klein would be a better person. 958 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,800 You want a responsive. I didn't run any adrenaline. 959 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,400 You mean the glycerin GTS? Yeah, GTS, yeah. 960 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,280 Yeah, I neither one are meant to be responsive. 961 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,600 That's not their function. They're meant to either be 962 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,320 provide both are great walking shoes. 963 00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:01,560 Glycerin is obviously a little bit softer kind of glycerin is 964 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,960 going to be the more rolling ride. 965 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,680 Adrenaline is going to be a little more like flat platform. 966 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,720 Glycerin actually isn't bad in terms of like even the normal 967 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,920 glycerin isn't isn't terrible with being a little bit more 968 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,280 stable neutral, but just wouldn't be a top of my head if 969 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,640 you had the term responsive. That's where I think I'm leading 970 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,920 more toward the Nimbus, which is a little bit more snappy, which 971 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,640 is real. This version was very different 972 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,080 than prior ones. And I'm also going, Hey, you've 973 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,480 had success with ASICS. You know, I'm I'm hesitant to 974 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,000 like totally change brands there, but you know, the models 975 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,160 are different. That's fair. 976 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,800 I, I like the idea of staying within kind of what's been 977 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,520 comfortable from a construction standpoint, phone compound 978 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,200 standpoint, there's some crossover there. 979 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,760 And just in general feel. And this also goes back to the 980 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,120 conversation we started having earlier about what we know about 981 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,040 like how much does mass or weight play into shoe selection? 982 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680 And right now it's not super well defined. 983 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,120 And so assuming this person has the capacity to get to a store 984 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,160 to try on a bunch, I think, I think the ones on their list 985 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,560 are, are good and worth trying. And then if you wanted to try 986 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,160 some that were in the more stable neutral category, I think 987 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,600 like you said, the Nimbus would be 1 worth trying. 988 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,560 I even have some of the shoes in like Topo or an ultra kind of in 989 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,800 my mind as ones that have that kind of more stable neutral 990 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,560 platform on them. But there I think that the world 991 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,320 is kind of your oyster a little bit like there's a lot to try 992 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,320 and you know, you might not get it right the first time, but 993 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,680 that's part of running is trying shoes. 994 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,720 And you know, thankfully you don't have to run in them for 995 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:42,440 years. You got to replace them if 996 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,400 you're getting mileage on them and if you're spending all day 997 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,000 in them too, that's a whole other factor that they're kind 998 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,480 of mentioning here. It's not just running. 999 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,720 It's like for everything. That's also why I thought the 1000 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,600 nimbus, by the way. What do y'all think about Like a 1001 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:02,280 triumph? A little soft, to be honest. 1002 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,960 I feel like the contrast between those midsoles and and everybody 1003 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,080 has different experiences. I feel like that that is a very 1004 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,680 large contrast between the two. Cool. 1005 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,120 All right, great. Let's move to our next one, Jack 1006 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,520 writes in. I remember reading your Puma 1007 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,760 Deviate Nitro Elite Trail review and I too have been using that 1008 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,880 shoe on the road and for workouts. 1009 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,440 If I wanted the Puma Rd. shoe version of that, which would you 1010 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,560 recommend? Should I get the Nitro Four or 1011 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,160 the Nitro Elite 4 or maybe even an earlier version? 1012 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,880 Any other Rd. recommendations as I'm doing more on the road and 1013 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,640 track lately with the winter weather. 1014 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,440 By the way, the zoom fly did not work well for me is I had 1015 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,160 excessive hip and calf soreness after running to them. 1016 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,800 However, my mount to Coast H1 seemed to work well but I'm 1017 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400 looking for a couple of Rd. not trail shoes. 1018 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,280 What do you like for non plated trainers? 1019 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,760 Thanks again and hope all is well. 1020 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,200 The Puma deviates plated. It is. 1021 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,320 Very stiff too, yeah. So you had me the whole way 1022 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,600 there until you said non plated. I mean, David, to throw back to 1023 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,320 an early comment, Azura, but it's not going to be exactly 1024 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,240 maybe kind of somewhat similar fit actually, but yeah, not 1025 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,240 quite. Well, let's let's start with the 1026 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,760 first. Is the trail version more close 1027 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,240 to the Nitro like DV8 Nitro Four or the DV8 Nitro Elite 4? 1028 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,840 That was kind of their first question. 1029 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,680 Oh, that's a good. Question, you have more 1030 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,840 experience in both models? I have more experience than just 1031 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,960 the DV8 Nitro 4. I mean, I'd say the plate 1032 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,080 doesn't feel like it's spooned out quite as hard on the trail 1033 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,720 version where it's very spooned out and a little more aggressive 1034 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,720 on the DV8 Nitro four. However, the general fit of it 1035 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,200 though is, I mean kind of similar. 1036 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,160 I don't know. I mean it's built off the DV8 1037 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,200 last right? Like it reminds me a lot of DV8 1038 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,640 Nitro elite one if you could get your hand on that, but I mean I 1039 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,280 highly doubt you'll be able to find that I. 1040 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,480 Know it's such a good. It's very hard to find those 1041 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,720 anymore. Yeah, I know. 1042 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,040 I look. Dude, I love that shoe. 1043 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,000 It was one of the best. Yeah, that show was phenomenal. 1044 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,640 Yeah, it was a great shoot. Yeah, that's, again, there are 1045 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,880 some people out there that actually have DV8 natural elite 1046 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,240 ones with trail outsoles glued to them out there. 1047 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,960 Can't actually say who, although a couple have been, maybe have 1048 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,400 been on the podcast. But yeah, not me. 1049 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,800 I wish, but that's AI. Don't know how to answer that. 1050 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,960 That's a great question, to be honest with you. 1051 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,560 I'm kind of leaning toward dude use. 1052 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,320 I had like I have almost 100 miles just stand on the road. 1053 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,520 A lot of it is I've just done whole like 1012 mile runs on 1054 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,280 road. It's been 5 done track workouts 1055 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,640 in this shoe. It's. 1056 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,280 Fine. It's an ATR outsole though, 1057 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,920 right? It's meant to be altering. 1058 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,160 Yeah. What would you say is the 1059 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,840 crossover? How close is it to like the SC 1060 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,960 trainer which I know has a plate too but. 1061 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,600 Not very close. No, no. 1062 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,040 Because. This I don't quite, somebody 1063 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,280 correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not is actually not a 1064 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,880 carbon plate here, correct? It's a power plate, but it's not 1065 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,520 carbon. I do. 1066 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,160 I don't actually remember. I got to look that up because. 1067 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,280 It's definitely stiff and snappy. 1068 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,760 Yeah, I think it's a feedback. I might be totally wrong, but 1069 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,080 I'm looking at this thing right now and like, oh, that's right. 1070 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,240 So, yeah, it's such a unique right. 1071 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,240 It's why I loved it. I was like running on the road 1072 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,000 and I'm like, hey, this is fit and super well. 1073 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,400 I can do long runs. I can do workouts in this good 1074 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,160 traction on the track. According to Running Warehouse, 1075 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,320 it has a Carbon composite PowerPoint. 1076 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:53,800 OK, there we go. OK, so so which one? 1077 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,240 It's more man. It sits between Deviate and 1078 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,800 Deviate Nitro Elite, to be honest. 1079 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,920 Yeah, it's correct. Because, yeah, Deviate Nitro is 1080 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,000 so stiff. Upper's actually a little bit 1081 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,240 more similar to the Deviate Nitro, but just the lightness of 1082 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,000 the Elite is just on a whole different level. 1083 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,520 Like that thing being at 6 ounces is just, it's nice. 1084 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,400 I love it. Yeah, maybe it's actually closer 1085 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,200 to the DV83 then because the DV83 had a little bit more 4 1086 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,440 foot flexibility than the DV84 does. 1087 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,280 That might be true. And some, you know, if he's, he 1088 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,760 kind of referenced earlier models that could be one that if 1089 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,760 you can get your hands on it. I think you're right actually. 1090 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,880 And that shoe had I always felt like I could turn over pretty 1091 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,240 good in that shoe get good. I just still remember certain 1092 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,440 long run workouts that I did in that shoe and it was pretty 1093 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,560 solid. I've never ran in the trail 1094 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,760 version of the elite. So I can't I can't compare them. 1095 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,760 But just from what y'all are saying, what y'all are saying, 1096 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,680 cool. All right, we have one more 1097 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,800 question for the day. This is Ben from Calgary, AB, 1098 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,960 Canada question. I'm in a weird state. 1099 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,400 I'm in a weird life stage with three young children ages 1, 1100 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,120 three and five and not sleeping well because of this and I'm 1101 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,400 sick what seems to be every three to four weeks. 1102 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,760 This is very common experience for parents. 1103 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,080 I know this. I I live this right now. 1104 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,560 My wife was like, oh it's just because we moved to Oregon. 1105 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,680 Like no, it's because we have a kid in daycare and like some of 1106 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,120 the viruses have been the worst they've been in years. 1107 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,080 So sick every three to four weeks, not sleeping well. 1108 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,120 Has three young kids I'm which also brings all along its own 1109 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,960 level of stresses. As awesome as parenting is, I'm 1110 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,200 training for my first marathon. I know it's important to rest 1111 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,640 and feel better, but at what point do I quote power through 1112 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,040 the sniffles and train anyway? At what point do I skip a run? 1113 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,280 My marathon is May 17th in the distance with my training plan 1114 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,400 is starting to increase a ton so I'm worried about skipping a 1115 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,480 long run and then falling behind. 1116 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,120 And then they said hindsight. Is 2020 maybe not the best life 1117 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,800 stage to train for a marathon lol. 1118 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:14,120 Thanks for the help. Life is what happens while 1119 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,640 you're making plans. So like stuff happens and the 1120 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,440 ability to realize that missing a single run isn't going to kill 1121 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,800 you, but missing a ton of them that might make things a bit 1122 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,840 more challenging. So like knowing, hey, if I need 1123 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,360 to skip one for my health, that makes total sense, right? 1124 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,840 Like for me, I was, I really wanted to erase this last 1125 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,760 weekend and I was like, you know what? 1126 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,040 I've got like my Regina's really, my wife is really sick. 1127 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,960 Isabella's sick. I'm having to sleep in a whole 1128 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,760 separate room and I can just feel it coming on. 1129 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,080 I'm just going to do a workout instead and I'm just going to 1130 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,440 call it and save it for another day. 1131 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,680 But knowing I'm still going to get the stimulus I need and 1132 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,520 still train. And I these two know that I 1133 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,280 trained through all kinds of stuff that they should. 1134 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,400 So, you know, it's like, hey, if it's life threatening, then 1135 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,160 probably not. You got to lay low for a little 1136 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,320 bit. But if it's you got some 1137 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,680 sniffles, like, you know, just get through it. 1138 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,240 Make sure you do your best and it's just life, right? 1139 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,040 We're not professional athletes. We have, and even professional 1140 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,080 athletes have their own requirements, but like for us, 1141 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,360 we got jobs, we got kids and that makes things more 1142 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,360 complicated. So don't look for perfection. 1143 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,520 Just get through it, man. It's it's tough, but just get 1144 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,720 through it and you'll survive. And the marathon is going to be 1145 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,440 also. Just get through it, enjoy it. 1146 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,400 It's never a perfect time. It's like having a kid. 1147 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,240 There's never a perfect time, you know So. 1148 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,720 I think Matt alluded to this, but he might not be the best 1149 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,520 person to listen to when it comes to what to and what not to 1150 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,680 run through based on his own decisions. 1151 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,800 Concussion. Kudos for a run broken to run. 1152 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,080 Through concussion. Concussion, maybe pneumonia, 1153 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,560 running through it. That's not smart, but yeah. 1154 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,400 Well, kudos to you Ben for trying something hard and doing 1155 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,840 something pretty cool and like being sounds like thoughtful 1156 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,840 about kind of your parenting and stuff too. 1157 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,440 That's pretty great. I think there's a rule of thumb 1158 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,760 that's not not fully grounded in complete science, but I think 1159 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,560 it's pretty good where if there's sickness that's really 1160 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,440 kind of reserved up in the kind of sinuses or it's just kind of 1161 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,000 like up towards the head cold type of description of symptoms 1162 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,800 versus when it's getting down into the respiratory system and 1163 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,640 like into your lungs and you can like feel it in your chest. 1164 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,680 It's probably easier to do some of some more work when it's just 1165 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,560 up high in the head versus going down into the lungs because the, 1166 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,800 the you're, your lymphatic system is what kind of clears 1167 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,840 out a lot of different things when you're sick. 1168 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,680 And just like your immune system working, if you stress it too 1169 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,120 much, you just won't get better as quickly as you would if you 1170 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,080 can recover. And so there's some wisdom. 1171 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,440 And I think when it comes down kind of below your neck and 1172 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,840 you're feeling it more in your chest, I personally would 1173 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,280 recommend backing off. And that's the decisions that I 1174 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,000 make for myself. If it's up in my head, I'll kind 1175 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,320 of just go for my runs. I might skip a workout, but just 1176 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,720 get some miles in, keep it easy and and kind of go about things 1177 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,880 that way. Agree with Matt on like the if 1178 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,520 you look at a full cycle of training for a marathon, if you 1179 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,680 skip 1 long run, you're still going to be able to train for 1180 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,000 the marathon. If you skip 3 long runs, you 1181 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,480 probably will have a harder time. 1182 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,920 And so give yourself a little bit of leeway there where if you 1183 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,840 come through and you, you miss, you know, a week of training, 1184 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,840 and I'm assuming that it's not 100% missing the week unless 1185 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,840 it's something really bad. But if it's missing a good part 1186 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,280 of it during a week, you're going to be OK. 1187 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,280 You can kind of jump back in. You're not going to lose too 1188 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,240 much over that short a period of time. 1189 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,200 But if it's this, it's breaking you down week after week after 1190 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,440 week, you might be in a little bit more trouble. 1191 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,880 The only exception to the stuff with the head stuff is that if 1192 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,640 you have like sinus head stuff and then all of a sudden you 1193 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,480 can't turn your neck, then go to the ER. 1194 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,560 That's a different story. Yeah, that's like potential. 1195 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,280 Not again, not my place to diagnosis, but meningitis, I 1196 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,960 only saw that because I saw that last week in primary care and I 1197 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,600 was like, oh, this is not good. You had a cold for how long? 1198 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:08,200 And you can't turn your head, going to go call the doc and the 1199 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,360 physician on stamp called be like, hey dude, can you look at 1200 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:10,840 this? Yeah. 1201 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,480 David, do you have anything to add? 1202 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,760 Yeah. I would just say, like when 1203 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,840 you're on the fence about something and you're looking at 1204 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,920 what's up. Do you even get sick in 1205 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,160 paradise? Is that allowed? 1206 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,160 Every once in a while it happens. 1207 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,360 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. 1208 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,280 Remember I missed the IM that one year because I got COVID. 1209 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,040 That's true as sorry. Like a couple days before the 1210 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,200 race, I had to call off everything. 1211 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,200 Yeah, that was that was a bummer. 1212 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,040 That was like during the quarantining times too. 1213 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,560 So that was like, now I'm quarantined from my wife. 1214 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,120 I don't get to go to the race that I'm planning for, don't go 1215 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,360 to work. I'm in a separate room like and 1216 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,080 I don't talk real bad for like a week. 1217 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,880 I I I feel bad now. I got it. 1218 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,960 I was wrong, sorry. Yeah, shame on you. 1219 01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:01,000 Anywho, I just. The one time I make a joke. 1220 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:07,320 No, you're good. I used to just tell people like 1221 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,480 whatever you do, just make sure you can recover from it. 1222 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,640 And if you're looking, if you're, if your system's 1223 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,320 sensitive, if you got to think twice about it, maybe you just 1224 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,280 don't do it that day. If you're not sure about it and 1225 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,720 your body's giving you some signals where it's like, I don't 1226 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,400 know about this, like just listen to it and just come back 1227 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,520 tomorrow and see if it is doing better. 1228 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,200 And if you are spread a little bit thin or maybe you don't have 1229 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,840 as much time leading up to the race and you can't hold the 1230 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,760 volume that you're trying to hold from a training standpoint, 1231 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,920 maybe you just break it up and you decrease it, but you still 1232 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,920 get some volume in other ways. And so that could be like going 1233 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,640 a little bit further, having a day off or two and then going a 1234 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,240 little bit further, having a day off a little bit further. 1235 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,920 That's kind of how I'm running right now. 1236 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,520 And there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're 1237 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,480 recovering from it and you're feeling OK. 1238 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,680 And sometimes I can give you a little bit more time to be with 1239 01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,240 your family and do things like that too. 1240 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,720 So plans don't have to be super rigid when you're going forward 1241 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,520 for some of those planned events. 1242 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,840 Yeah, that's what I got. That's great. 1243 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,240 Training for marathon is harder in reality than it looks on 1244 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,200 paper sometimes. Like you start to realize all 1245 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,800 the time commitments. And I'm just I giggle at the 1246 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,480 last part when he said hindsight is 2020 maybe not the best stage 1247 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,240 of life to train for a marathon, especially your first one, but 1248 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,640 it's fun. I mean, it's it's going to be 1249 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,680 something you look back at and you get to reminisce about the 1250 01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,600 terrible parts of it because I think there are parts of 1251 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,320 marathon training that just like aren't fun period. 1252 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,040 And you're still thankful for it in the end. 1253 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:44,040 So, well, that's all we got for tonight's episode. 1254 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,920 Thank you all for submitting your questions to us. 1255 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,760 We love being able to answer in that, to answer them the best we 1256 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,760 can or respond to them at least. If you want to reach out with 1257 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,240 other thoughts that you have, you can send an e-mail to 1258 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,800 doctorsofrunning@gmail.com and we will try to add them to 1259 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,680 future mailbag episodes. 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