Hello everybody and welcome to the Doctors of Running podcast
where we, a group of doctors of physical therapy, discuss the
art and science of running and the stuff that we put on our
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What about you guys? Anything that you're looking
forward to as the temperature start picking up, just in
general? They also are being later in the
morning too. It's like most of the winter.
I finally, after years of just being hard nosed about this,
have given up and been doing like three days a week on the
treadmill in the morning, just going because I teach class
early and I'm like, I'm not running outside.
It's like 34° and raining half the time I'm going to be on the
treadmill. And I've actually, I've actually
like kind of enjoyed it. It's been a good alternative
training method does some pretty fast stuff on there.
But yeah, just we're looking forward to having it be lighter
earlier as well as yeah, just some warmer weather.
It we got it got down to freezing this morning, which is
weird because we were in the 60s, not so actually.
And it got up to 60 today. So it's like 31° in the morning
and then 60° right now. And so I'm still wearing the
hoodie just just cuz. But yeah, I'm ready for a little
bit warmer weather, but not too warm, is David.
So I mean, you're in paradise, but SoCal's been getting a heat
wave right now, so I think. It was in the 90s here last
week. Yeah, it was 95, I think at the
hottest, which on the coast is, is pretty hot.
Definitely a heat wave. Yeah, it's getting, it's coming
back down. But yeah, as it starts to heat
up, I got to be a little bit more careful on my timing of the
runs because I've been doing a lot of runs after work.
So that's. The heat of the day.
Yeah, I love how no matter what we talk about, somebody's be
like, that's not a heat. We were like somebody in
Phoenix, AZ's be like, that's our winter.
And so then so if we say it's cold and somebody in the Midwest
where we're gonna be like, that's too warm.
It's all relative. Sorry, what?
It's all. One of my running friends is
actually. He was walking home from work
and was sending us a a voice message and it was basically
saying like, oh, I'm just sweating.
It's so hot out here. It's like 55°.
And he's like, I'm like, dude, you cannot complain yet.
Like you cannot complain about 55°.
But it is relative because it legitimately feels so hot to us
right now. Yeah, you know, like sub zero to
50 like. It's it's a big change, but
you're so right and the I'm mad. I'm with you on the the light
because I usually run around 5:15 and we're just at the end
of our run starting to get a little bit of sunlight and I'm
I'm excited for full lit mornings.
It's going to be lit. It's lit.
That was that was bad. But let's move on to our in for
testing segment talking about all the things that we are
testing out right now. Matt, what do you got on your
feet? Dude, I got a lot of stuff.
Probably the one to couple start with a few that are a little bit
older. I got the deviate Natural Elite
4, which by the time this comes out, Andrea and our my review
should be really enjoying this shoe.
I think this is the first time since version one I've actually
liked the shoe. Two and three, I think we're a
mess. It really wasn't that special.
This one is very interesting where it's really comfortable as
soon as you go up tempo. Running easy doesn't feel that
good knit, but as soon as you pick up the pace, I've done some
of my fastest workouts in the shoe.
I was planning to race this weekend, but Regina's sick,
Isabella's sick, and I was like, hey, if I race, I'm probably
going to go out the deep end. I'm about ready to enter my
spring break. I just have one clinic day
tomorrow. I'm like, I don't want to miss
this. I just let me try to not so I
was going to race but then decided not to.
But if I did it was absolutely going to be in this shoot for a
10K and I'll probably find some race to go do this thing because
it's just been great. Ironically, kind of better
landing at the heel and rolling 4 rather than trying to get up
on your toes. I think people that like that
fast star is going to be a better option.
But really solid update. Very aggressive, but not like as
overly stiff and definitely bouncier than version three.
No, it's not stable neutral. It's not even close.
I don't know why people are saying that it isn't another old
one. I have the Supernova Rise 3 from
Adidas. Haven't gotten a ton of miles in
it, just it's really similar to the solution 3.
Like it looks exactly the same just minus the medially
supportive elements, but it's still stable neutral.
It's really stable anyway so I'll probably do a comparison
review. I've got the Ride 19 which
basically feels like a triumph now.
It's so different from 18, so much softer.
I'm kind of struggling with this issue a little bit, but people
that want that softer ride, no pun intended, I'm probably going
to like this. I have the on cloud Soma which I
didn't know what to think. I'm really enjoying this shoe
turning over and like getting a good trail run.
It actually just fine on road. The lugs are small.
If it just kind of feels like a moderate to lower step, more
moderate stack height shoe that just it's very smooth
transition. They said it's flexible.
It's a little stiff still. What was their ball of that
shoe? I it was, it's called the foam
is called Cloudtech Connect. The idea was, I think I'm going
to take this out of context, I think, but from my memory it was
to have a more flexible connected right with the ground,
which it has that somewhat. It's not a minimal shoe though.
It just, yeah, it's one of those things interesting where it's
not low enough that it bothers my Achilles tendon, but it
definitely is close enough that I like can definitely get a
little bit more ankle stuff movement going on.
So very nimble ride. Not the lightest thing on the
market, but just feels really smooth and nimble to run in
Montreal. It's been great.
And then my final one is the on cloud boom Volt.
I don't always forget the name it has.
My wife has been sick the last week and 1/2 so I've been doing
workouts on my own. So I've been using this as like
a treadmill, like second run, second workout shoe.
It's getting better. It was not on my top list when I
first put this on. It was very clunky, very stiff.
It's starting to break in. And I might even say a little
bit of medial structure, maybe medial stability on the medial
side, just from the side wall, just the plate.
But yeah, just an interesting kind of like up to I feel like
it replaces what shoe am I thinking about that was like
their up tempo shoe that was this is plated, but it wasn't
plated. Cloud Surfer next or the?
No, on cloud. Boom.
Oh, we never got it. I I was looking for it on eBay.
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
I wasn't forgetting. This because Flash was the 10K
racer from back when. Yeah, I know which one you're
talking to. Zone.
Yeah, yes, yeah. I feel like it kind of replaces
that with like a plated and more like a little more stack height.
Obviously this is actually like I think 41 in the heel, 37 in
the forefoot. I might be wrong, but it's just
it's a stiffer ride. It's a little bit more
traditional on. We'll still be in the lighter
side, not as light as I was expecting.
I thought this was going to be like a 5K10K racer, but
apparently it's like the more quote UN quote budget on cloud
boom of the series that can still race as opposed to clown
boom Max, which is going to be more like slower, easier long
paces. This is like you can pick up the
pace, but I'm still getting used to it.
It's a little bit clunky at times, but I think it just need
to keep breaking it in. Once I break, I'm like once I
warm up, it's it's better. It's just not I don't know what
to think of it yet. I'm still getting miles on it.
So that's what I got. Nice.
Do you happen to know off the top of your head from a foam
standpoint? Like if it's if it's got the
same as the like cloud, cloud it.
Says it says Helion HF and I believe it's dual layer on here.
So it does have it. Differentiates a little bit.
Yeah, I just think the plate is so stiff and it's probably close
to the foot that it makes it much a little firmer.
Is it kind of like a zoom fly then where it's got like?
Dual layer. It's both.
It's healing on HF both on the top and the bottom.
I. Feel like oh it's both.
It's HF. Yeah, OK.
But I don't think that's a terrible comparison, to be very
honest. Yeah, super esque lightweight
trainer. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be
super cuz technically it qualifies based on it.
But yeah, that's not far off. Actually.
I'm still trying to figure out how to categorize this, but
that's not a a bad idea so. Yeah, I kind of picture like
that endorphin speed, like just kind of a super critical film
with the plate lightweight trainer.
Yeah, yeah. Sweet.
Well, I have one shoe that I wanted to bring up.
It's the Alta Mesa 500 version 2 from The North Face.
It's a trail shoe of theirs meant for kind of just easy
cruising, hogging up miles. I got some specs here.
It's 9.8 ounces in my men's size 9.
It's got a 6mm drop. It's got a lot of foam, so 44 in
the heel and 38 in the four foot.
And then it's a TPU midsole that's nitrogen infused.
So it does have that kind of super critical feel to it.
I took this is the only shoe I took on our trip.
We just went down to visit our niece who is just born down in
North Carolina, and then went over the Smokies for a little
while and spent the whole week on my feet hiking around,
playing with the boys. Did a little bit of jogging in
it. It feels nice.
I would say from a drop standpoint, like it feels a
little lower than 6mm. It compresses a pretty decent
amount in the heel, but that wasn't a problem for me.
It doesn't make it feel awkward. I did like it for kind of that
combo of hiking around. I felt really good walking
around in it and then it felt good for jogging too.
It's not like a super fast shoe. It didn't give you that like
super trail shoe feel, but it did feel, it did feel light on
foot in the fit I found awesome. Really secure through the
midfoot, really open in the forefoot.
I there's not too much toe spring for which is nice.
There's no plate in there. It's just a really, really solid
shoe. I I'm excited to get more miles
in it, but I was impressed with my week in this shoe.
Matt, what do you want to say? Yeah, definitely rockered, but
like not a correct toe spring. Yeah, nice wide toe box.
I took that on a few runs. I've taken it on a trail run and
then I was rushing and actually took it on the treadmill.
And whenever on the treadmill, I try to pick up the pace.
It just doesn't do pace pickups well.
It's just not meant for fast running, but like walking easy
be running it just you get more out of the midsole.
It's really interesting to be like, wow, this is really tuned.
This midsole's tuned for all like slower, steady efforts
because I actually got more bounce out of it at solar paces.
When I tried to pick it up, it just it didn't it didn't
respond, but it's it's really, really comfortable.
I've also like stood and walked in in clinic all day.
It's great. For me, it's not just only like
super easy, I think it can go into like cruising a little bit
faster than daily mileage pace. Like it, it's not heavy, it
feels. It's under 10 oz.
It feels good. Like I I, I was a big fan of
this shoe, so that's the one I've been testing.
What about you, David? Yes, I've got three things on
the docket here. There's more than this.
I have the Cloud Soma as well and The North Face Alta Mesa
version 2. Cloud Soma is also Helon HF
midsole too. Is it that would make?
Sense Shaping is the connect you're talking about.
The midsole foam itself is Helon HF.
You are correct. It does.
It says it on the medial side that says Cloudtech connect on
the lateral side. That was my bad.
Thank you, David. Yeah, I haven't run in it yet,
but it feels nice, like really nice.
So I'm excited to run in it. Definitely a little bit of a
different take. I actually noticed more
flexibility in that shoe than pretty much any other on shoe
I've worn. So I'm curious to see how it
feels once I actually start moving quicker.
I can be a little sensitive when the full platform's flexible and
I'll get into that in a second with another shoe.
But yeah, what's? Up.
I'll also say at what do you have the orange color?
I looked it up. I was in the clinic the other
day and someone was asking me, yeah, I have the orange.
Yeah, it definitely catches eye. I think this shoe a lot.
I wore it all day on Friday in for like teaching and for clinic
stuff and people were like, oh, what are those like?
Wow. It's like, yeah, you guys did
the fashion wise and look wise, you're doing a good.
Job. Yeah, it's like that.
Pastel orange, cantaloupe, Peach.
I don't really know exactly. I forgot.
I don't know what their. Verbiage was they had like an
actual an actual name for it. But anyways.
Pumpkin vomit. I'm just.
Kidding. Whoa.
OK. I'm just kidding.
Sorry.
No, it's. You're doing great on your
fashion game. You should call it pumpkin
vomit. Oh gosh, it's sunny.
Just kidding. It's it's not that I promise the
watchers can see it's not maybe I know.
This is why I don't do like. Fashion.
They've been doing pastel like colors and I'm for it.
I feel like the colors have been coming out pretty cool anyways,
moving on to what I've got on my feet, so also a flexible sole.
This is the Brooks glycerin flex.
Now it's an interesting shoe because it's relatively high
stack. It's at 38 millimeters in the
heel, 6mm drop, 32 in the forefoot.
Very flexible podular design. And so I'm going to try and hold
this up to the camera so the listeners can't see this.
But there is a massive flex groove through the midfoot that
is intentional. I would hope so if they put it
in. And then there's these deep
Ridge like grooves that go through into the forefoot as
well, and it creates this podular design.
And if I go to bend it, oh, I can fold it on itself, you know,
pretty easily. And so it's one of those weird
shoes where DNA tuned is the midsole.
So it's the same midsole that's used in the other Glycerin
models, a little bit firmer, but still very protective and
there's plenty of cushioning under the foot.
It's like 9.1 oz. It's just it's high up.
You have a beveled heel. It's not horrible, it's not
great. Like it's just kind of in the
middle. What do you think?
I actually liked it, I think it's one of the best heel bevels
that bricks has done. Yeah, I mean, it's good, Yeah.
And then the forefoot, there's a little bit of toe spray, but
it's not bad. I mean, it's so flexible, it
doesn't really matter. So when you land, you can really
feel that platform give under you and it does allow you to
kind of move into your natural pathway.
I know. So they are wanting.
But with that with this much flexibility, there's a lot of
stability requirements required as well.
And your joints are going to be moving through larger ranges of
motion as well. And I noticed some calf soreness
running in this. Yeah, just because things are
working more, you know, So it's not a bad shoe.
It's just, I don't think it's going to be the shoe for me.
But if you have really neutral mechanics and you're wanting
something flexible and you've been wanting something flexible
with more stack on it specifically because a lot of
flexible shoes are usually lower down, this does kind of check
those boxes. So I think for a niche crowd,
like it'll actually work and work well.
I just, I don't think it's for me personally.
And the written review will be out on this by the time this
podcast releases. I just wrote it earlier today.
What's that? What's the heel drop?
6 It is 6. OK, got it.
I I did not get along with the fit of that shoe.
I don't know if it more narrow lower.
Volume, it's a little thicker. My foot got a little warm,
especially on the medial side. I wrote about that.
It was on. The lateral side, that's the
medial side. This like lateral soul flare,
the way it's integrated into that knit upper.
I know Andrea had kind of an issue with this too.
Like you have a super deep flex groove and you get a lot of
friction right there because. That's where it fits too.
Yeah, So I got a little bit of a hotspot, no blisters, but it was
something that was noticeable that I felt like was worth
noting. I feel like the upper could be
could be worked out. It's definitely it's not
uncomfortable if you're standing and walking, but it but it does
run warm and then it's a little thicker and it with the flexible
design, I think it just kind of holds that heat a little more.
There's a little bit more friction.
I. Feel like it didn't hold my heel
that well either. I really, really liked the sole.
The upper killed me. It the heel design where it's
got that like which I don't like is where they have that like a
padding around the top just jams right into my Achilles head and
I couldn't I couldn't last in that shoe.
I was I. Didn't really have any issues
with that stuff. It was just more the burn, like
the warmness, you know, where those flex screws were and the
thickness of the material. But we were, yeah.
It has potential, It has potential.
For sure, it's not a bad shoe. Like it's just I, like I said, I
just don't think it's the shoe for me, but I think it's I can
respect what they tried to do and what they did actually.
I mean, I think they did it pretty successfully overall.
I feel like this was their opportunity where they brought,
do you remember the Aurora BL? I feel like this was like
bringing that concept to the main main line stuff because,
well, adjacent main line because it's the flex of the glycerin,
But that had that huge groove through the midfoot too.
They just didn't have any grooves up through the forefoot.
I don't think in the BL. I'm just, I'm, I'm not, I'm not
going to say I'm skeptical, but I'm just curious about what they
learn because they do a lot of biomechanical testing with
runners. And I'm just wondering what they
learned about why they chose to do the placement of that huge
thing through the midfoot where we don't flex.
Did you learn anything about that, Matt?
Yeah, so, but when I was talking with a few people including Evan
Day and others, and then also a couple people at CSM because
they had a Brooks booth, it's supposed to represent because of
the angle from my understanding, the sub tailor joint and
supposed to be able to like uncouple and couple as you
pronate and supinate. And then that's kind of their
major thing. And then it's again it it's also
it's supposed to be able to do both where it's supposed to be
able to get flexible as you land and then lock up as you go off.
So that was what I was told. Again, the validity of that.
I don't. I don't have data and haven't
asked about that so. So they're thinking more of a
torsional versus a longitudinal with some of the what are the
flex? That major one, yes, but then
there's a coupling. It also happens as it locks up
that supposedly the forefoot is then the flex screws.
They're supposed to take over the rest of it as you transition
onto the forefoot. Interesting.
I guess if you stretch it, I'm thinking, I'm just thinking from
a mechanic standpoint, if it allows the flexibility and the
foam gets stretched, that foam is going to want to recoil back
to its original. So maybe they're saying that's
the re supination kind of part of the gate anyway.
Interesting. Any other ones, David?
Yeah, I got two more. Great.
So we've got the Saucony Ride 19 as well.
So what's up I? Want to know what you think We
have to wait? I think it's cool so far.
I mean, it does feel like a triumph.
It feels the least righty of the bunch.
You know, over the time, a little bit more bulbous, very
wide platform under foot lot of soul flaring going on.
It's moved to well, the power M plus almost feels more like
power MPB in a weird way. I don't know why, but yeah, it's
it's plush and the upper material too is also more plush
than previous rides. So this this does kind of feel
like a triumph. Yeah, I haven't run in it yet.
I'm going to get all my miles this week in this and then get
the written review out. So that'll be coming very
shortly. It was Glycerine Flex and then
this shoe on my docket. So that'll be coming in the very
immediate future for those that want that.
But overall it's not bad. You know, I think it fits pretty
well overall. It's pretty comfortable.
It's just plush. It doesn't really feel like the
previous rides. Do we get information?
Because with the Sockney stuff about the what the next Triumph
is going to look like, because usually they plan this out,
we're like whatever the ride is, the Triumph is going to contrast
heavily. So would you say it's like a
triumph or you're saying it's like a triumph 22 like when they
change to that or it's like, oh really?
Not like a Not like the triumphs of old.
No, like 19 where it was like super heavy with power and plus
it's not like no, this isn't that heavy, no.
It's like the triumph. 22 It's still light.
Yeah, this is still pretty light.
It's just soft. Yeah, it's very different
though. Yeah.
Yeah, more like you told me, Platform Rockard like it, it is
going in the steps of like what the Triumph did.
Yeah. Yep, if you told me the midsole
was power and PB and you painted over the power and plus part I
would believe you. Yeah, it kind of feels more like
power and PB to me. I don't know why.
Right like power and PB trainer version, not like super.
Yeah, yeah. Interesting.
Yeah. So ride 19.
I think I'm gonna like it though.
You know, I just, it's different than the previous ones.
The other one here is going to be the speediest of the bunch
probably. And this is the Adidas Terex
Aggravitch Speed suit. Yeah.
So this one very aggressive design meant to go fast on the
trails. Snappy light Strike Pro midsole
and the one thing I am nervous about.
This. Is a pretty narrow foot, yeah.
I'm not sure how ankles already rolling.
My ankles rolled already. Yeah, I mean, the forefoot's
pretty wide at its widest point, you know, I just, and it's a
full length continental outsole. There's no gift to it anywhere,
you know. So I, I, it might run more
stable than it looks, but that'll be coming in the next
couple weeks too. That's going to be my next trail
model that I'm going to be taking out.
Do not try anything lateral in that shoe.
I'm going to go on trails my guy.
How do I avoid lateral medial? Yeah, it's just winding turtles
and rocks. Walters, Battlesnakes and.
That's what I'm saying. My ankles are already rolled.
For those who do want something a little more stable, Adidas did
come out with a more stable version, although it does the
weight jumps up quite a bit. It's called a graphic TT where
they have a much wider midfoot, some more significant side
walls, which is kind of the biggest difference here, which
obviously with more outsole material, wider, more material
makes it heavier. But it's not bad.
It just it this loses the snappiness that that version
has. Like I did really like that
shoe, even though there was not stable enough for me, the
midfoot, it can pick up the pace.
I did track workouts in that shoe, I ran on trail, I ran on
sand, I ran all kinds of stuff. But yeah, that midfoot can get
to you after a little bit. Yeah, it almost reminds me of
like a Takumi Sun with a trail outsole.
Kind of, yeah. Yeah.
Cool. Well that's everything we got in
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I haven't yet. I haven't gotten it.
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Cool. But today we get to jump into
the mailbag. We have a lot of questions.
We'll see how many of them that we get through, but we're
excited to talk about some of this stuff.
As always, when we do a mailbag, we get a lot of very specific
details about people's situations, and we make sure to
try to keep what they want confidential, confidential.
But we're also not giving specific medical advice.
We're just talking about the concepts found within the
questions. So we're going to jump into the
first one here, and this is from Hugo and Hugo writes this.
I've been reading Matt's reviews on both the on Hyper Three, I
think the Cloud Monster Hyper 3 and the Saucony Azura.
Which one do you think is more stable and better suited for a
midfoot striker with some preference towards some
pronation support? Also I'm about 98 kilograms so
on the heavier side for a runner if that helps.
Oh that's interesting, you said it was Azura.
Makes sense. The other one was the what the?
Cloud Monster Hyper 3. That's a great question because
the on Cloud Monster Hyper 3 and it's LS cousin are actually very
stable neutral like surprisingly so.
Side walls are really high and the arch is really high on the
medial side. So if you need something like
that, I've done long runs, I've done workouts in that shoe and
it's been absolutely fine for me.
The Azura is also a really good option.
It's a it's a little bit lighter.
It has that lateral cut out. It's got it was not intended to
be stable neutral, but it accidentally did on the medial
side. Man, that's a good question.
I think either one of those would work, but I will say the
on cloud monster hyper 3 is more more in is more obvious in that
way. So I think and also like the
stack heights aren't supposedly that different.
But for me, I'm liking the firmer and snappier ride out of
the the cloud monster 3 hyper. Whereas the Azura starts to
soften up a little bit. It's a really rocker ride.
The hyper is a little bit more snappy.
So if you want really this, both shoes are going to work well.
They have similar heights. If you want firmer and snappier,
little bit more medially stable, I would go Cloud Monster 3
hyper. If you want a little bit soft
after a more rocker rolling ride, I would go.
It's a little bit very much more mild guidance.
I would go with Azura, but both are probably going to work.
They've worked surprisingly well for me with in that regard.
David, do you have anything to add if?
I was choosing between the two. I think I'd actually go Azura,
so I'm not going to help that conversation.
No, it's fine. But they are both.
They're both super stable. I don't think there's really a
wrong answer there, but I think with the Azura being a little
bit lower, the power in PB in that does feel pretty firm and
the way the soul flaring set up and the how stiff that 4 foot is
like on that 4 foot rocker. Like to me, the way I land that
feels just more stable and a little more grounded to me than
the cloud Monster Hyper 3 where you have that thick slab of
healing on HF and then you have the cloud tech kind of around it
to stabilize it. I also feel like for me the heel
is a little more stable in the Cloud Monster Hyper 3 because of
that thick chassis of cloud tech and that sets up the rest of the
ride a little bit more. Whereas like in the Azura, I
feel it much more in the forefoot and midfoot.
You could argue the midfoots are compared are similar just
because of the way it's set up in the heel of the Cloud Hyper
3. But yeah, Cloud Monster Hyper 3.
But there's not a wrong answer. But I think being at like 40mm
roughly in the Azura, a little bit firmer, a little bit more
soul flaring, really like stiff soul up front.
Like I feel like I get more quote unquotes like support,
control, guidance, whatever you want to call it out of that.
But neither is bad. They're both good and the
monster is higher up too. And the foam itself, the Helon
HFI actually find that portion of it to be a little softer,
even though the cloud SEC firms up the rest of the ride.
So I feel like you still get a little bit more give in that
foam, especially like on downhills and things.
I completely agree actually. My, I think the other part of
this question that we can have a little bit of a spin off
discussion is about this idea of weight and shoe selection.
So he was just referencing that he's on the heavier side for a
runner. Does that influence what kind of
shoes might work best from a stability standpoint?
I think we could talk about durability, we could talk about
responsiveness of shoes, you could talk about compliance, all
these different things. They're specifically kind of
asking from a stability standpoint if that's going to be
impacted by the weight of the runner.
Do people have thoughts on that? You know, I might be wrong, but
I don't think there's any evidence on weight and stability
needs. It still might be.
It's obviously going to be unique to each person.
There's research on injury risk and stack height and weight
where the only kind of big view actually, I mean, to be
actually, to be honest, the only group that that it has to
produce injury risk it with higher stack height is people
with lower relative body weights, not heavier.
The only group, the people that have greater body weights tend
to actually just do better in like moderate stack heights,
stuff like the average and they tip typically may not do as well
in like low, low stack shoes, but there's there's obviously
variability with people who are going to do that.
So I think it honestly comes down way down to comfort to be
honest, right? It's like what's comfortable for
you, There's some other unique factors how your body's doing
dealing with that weight is a unique variable that's kind of
hard to predict, so. Yeah.
I don't really have anything to add there.
I felt like you summed that up pretty good.
Yeah, I'd agree. Great.
Well, let's move on to Brian's questions.
Brian asked this. My question is about an around
IT band syndrome. I have ran for a couple of years
in the Nova Blast 5 on the treadmill and pavement in the
Peregrine Fifteens for trail runs.
Never had any knee pain and ran a couple of five KS and 10 KS in
my Nova Blast just fine, but they're not the fastest shoes in
the world. Recently purchased the ASIC
Super Blast Threes to add some speed work but after 20 minutes
I had pain on the outer part of my right knee.
My PT defined it as IT band syndrome.
She gave me some exercises to strengthen my groups and hips
and alleviate some friction. However, in doing more research
I'm finding the Super cushion soft shoes may not be the best
for me as they do not provide enough stability compared to
Novoblast and Peregrines. Any recommendations for a heel
striker with IT Band syndrome for an upgraded daily trainer
and race shoe non plated? I would like my Nova Blast to be
for the treadmill and light recovery days outside, but would
like a new shoe for speed work and races.
I'm not going to make a suggestion on a new shoe was
ironic that Andrea and her review of the Superlast 3 talked
about this exact thing where and I think it's because the amount
of this is not necessarily a bad thing.
This is something to pay attention to for certain people.
The Superlast 3 in my opinion, is much softer and there's a lot
more lateral soul flare. And although not as evidence
based, there is some testimonial like correlation between people
that there's a lot of lateral sole flare and irritation of
some of the lateral structures on like IT band and stuff like
that. So I tell you, that's experience
for me where I think it just kind of pivots me in more and
there's kind of more stress on my tensor fascia lotta and other
muscles that help control some of those motions.
So that's, you know where I have that.
So I think whatever shoe you get, I still needs to be
comfortable, but just avoiding that excessive lateral sole
flare, IE the sole extending really far out lap to the side
of the foot. So this shoe that I'm holding up
for those who are watching, isn't this shoe does have flare
on both the outside. So lateral is the outside and
medial is the inside. The flare is when the when the
midsole comes out further than where your foot is on the
platform. So what you're saying, Matt,
though for it, for their question, it might be less about
the stack and compliance of the foam and more about the
geometric construction and having some flaring that might
mess with how it makes your foot move one way or another.
Right. That's a total gas and Andrew
and I both talked about this because each person has unique
factors that that contribute to things.
But that's something just to pay attention to.
Because I was going to say on the flip side of this that it
might not even be a lack of stability, was it?
Because I think the other part is if you have for myself, this
is an anecdote for me, in my experiences, especially five
years ago when I was testing a lot of our shoes that were sent
that were stability models, they would pitch me outward, which
led to a little what's called knee varus or at least some
point of sort of stress. So my thigh would come down, my
shin would kind of come in. That can happen from too much
structure on the inside in theory and and that led to IT
band irritation. Like I would go on a run in a
posted shoe and I would have the same thing happen.
I have IT band symptoms within that first run.
And so we have to be kind of that that comes back to the idea
of comfort, but finding that just right middle ground.
And so I think it's less about the foam, more about the
construction. And maybe for this person,
Brian, like you're just sensitive to the type of
construction within shoes and you can just look for something
that's a little more similar and width on the bottom to your
Noble Blast, which is also pretty wide.
I think if we're honest, that has does not have a small
platform, but it is less wide than the Super Blast by a little
bit. David, thoughts?
Yeah, we got to pick some shoes. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, so wait, they've been running in the Nova Blast
and there was one other one. What was it?
Peregrine. Oh peregrine for trails so very
firm. Low down Nova blast, little
higher up still firmer ish foam. Honestly it wouldn't be too bad
to look at the Azura. Little bit firmed up, no plate
rocker profile, responsive enough to turn over and do some
workouts in. Azura being the Saucony
endorphin Azura for the full model name.
Just thinking about it, the Super blast three.
I I agree completely with you guys.
Like what you said, I that fly foam leap is really soft and
you've got to like that and that platform's so wide.
So like when it's really soft like that, again, anecdotally,
it can almost feel like that soul flaring is almost like
undercutting the platform a little bit where it almost like
kind of wedges you to where you almost get a little bit of extra
irritation on those structures, whether that be medial or
lateral. And I tend to be a little
sensitive to that laterally sometimes.
But for some reason, Super Blast three worked just fine for me.
I had zero issues. But I've had issues with that
with the Solomon, Oh my gosh, Arrow Glide 4.
But it is less dramatic than the Super blast.
So that could actually be a good option too, because that's also
a super critical midsole, bouncy, lightweight.
It can do a little bit of everything, but I think I'd be
leaning more towards the Azura in this specific situation.
But I don't know. I mean there's so many out
things out there. Just try them on and see what
speaks to you. I'd be hesitant to go soft like
a rebel, like a New Balance rebel or something like.
That, and that's not that fast anymore either.
Yeah, but yeah, I I probably lean Azura on this one,
honestly. Matt, do you have any others
that popped in your mind? I mean classic is like Evo SL,
but I think David's right because Evo SL can push you a
little bit more. Could be a good one.
Medial not a terrible option, but the Zero has just been a
solid really, especially at 150 bucks.
Although the Evo sell is too. I'm trying to think what else
kind of faster might be a good. Just so many companies throw
some sort of plate in in these shoes meant for speed, and I
think that's what makes it hard. And on the on the flip side of
that, just for something I would have anybody consider, you know,
just because it has a plate doesn't mean it's acting like a
plated shoe, because I think that the Super blast acts like a
plated shoe because of how longitudes stiff it is.
So I think the presence of a plate doesn't make it feel like
a plated shoe or have the impacts of a plate that we kind
of ascribe to it because you can have like I think of the
Endorphins speed is also an option that shoes not, you know,
it has a plastic plate, but it doesn't really add that much
longitudinal bending stiffness that's more flexible than the
Super blast. So I think there's there's some
options in that realm too that. If they're OK with some
flexibility too, like Mizuno, Neo Zen could be a potential
option. Might be a little too soft, but
it. Yeah, I was going to say it
doesn't feel as quick. 2. 2 Yeah, yeah, the newest version,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Mizuno, Neos and two.
Cool, Matt, you have another one you're thinking about.
Mach X3. Very stiff plated.
How about Mach 6 though? Mach 6 can turn over pretty
good. Or or the cyclone from Topo.
Yeah, both those. I mean, if he wants cushion,
Cyclone's not going to be. That's not true, actually.
That's a. Great cycle in the 30s.
It's very flexible though. Yeah, you're.
Totally right it is. Yes, I was wrong.
Yep. Hey, isn't the box 7 out?
Don't you test that I? Don't know, I'll have to chat.
With that was a quiet relief. If it was, I actually didn't
know it was out. Yeah.
All right. We're ready for the next one.
All right, so Chris is asking a follow up question to our recent
episode that I think it was just Matt and I, we talked about
strength training and runners and kind of our own routines and
stuff like that. And so Chris said this, just
finished your episode on strength training to support
running. Really appreciate the simplicity
of your routines. I'm definitely guilty of doing
too much load between my running and lifting, and I'm suffering
right now from a meniscus tear as a result, and it's not fun.
I'm curious to know if either of you do any upper body exercises,
bench press, overhead press, etcetera, and how they fit into
your weekly routines. As David knows, I don't believe
in the upper body. It doesn't exist.
You run with your legs and that's it.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Like that was out of nowhere. But I feel like in the past I've
mentioned exercises and you've like razzed me for not bringing
up the upper body like. I am a big T spine postural
stability kind of guy. Yeah, not that that drives
everything obviously. Condition your legs please.
Like I like we're a full functioning unit, not just caps.
Yeah. So I'll go quick with this one.
So Chris, what I do is I work in upper body once a week and I do
core kind of like trunk work front and front and or back
twice a week. And I didn't even add them into
my routine list, even though I kind of do them right at the
end, but they're just not a huge part of my routine.
But I do have some sort of either bench or kind of like
compound that I add to some of the lifts that I've that I've
mentioned in my routine. And then I typically do some
sort of row and work for my back and kind of the postural support
muscles, but usually just once a week for me.
Kind of and touch them. So if anybody has seen someone
in the Newburgh, Sherwood or tired area at the gas station
putting a kettlebell overhead repeatedly while he's getting
gas? Stop it.
Are you serious? Yeah, well, I make.
Great shoulder stability exercise.
Yeah, so I've got a I've worked my way up to like 3040 lbs like
with my 30 LB kettle. Bowl holding it by the handle
with the belt up. Are you?
No. Oh, by the belt.
Oh, here I haven't done that one yet, but just base or like or
like more like the handles here and here I'm I'm hanging on
slowly working my weight to get the handle and thing overhead.
But if you. Could do that you?
See, doing that, yeah, I can't do with 40 yet.
I keep trying, but 30 right now, I'll do like a couple sets while
I'm waiting and my car is filling up with gas at least
once a week. And then one other time I'll do
that. And then the rest are bodies.
A lot of rows with the heavy kettle bells that I have where
it's just like, hey, after I do deadlifts, I'll just do a couple
extra to add on to kind of superset just 'cause I'm looking
to build both strength but also some endurance when I'm already
a little fatigued in trunk. So just kind of efficiently add
it in and don't think too much of it.
That's awesome. Yeah, I do a lot of rows.
I do a lot of carries, yeah, I'll do some anti rotation stuff
if that counts. I mean it's obviously multiple
groups working at the same time, but like PAL, off press, stuff
like that. I feel like I, yeah, yeah, I
also, I feel like I'm cheating too 'cause I get a ton of it
throughout the week since I work with a ton of George Fox
athletes. So like I'm demoing or doing
stuff with them and I'm like it's not consistent but just it
happens. Yeah.
I mean, being in the clinic, right, We're demonstrating
things all the time, Yeah. But yeah, a lot of.
I guess that doesn't count, yeah.
But I suppose I'd probably favor posterior chain a little more
than anterior because we don't, we're not football players or
basketball players. We don't have to push super hard
very often. You, you do.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense for you.
You are a very unique individual in this conversation, my friend.
But Matt, what cord workout do you do try to control a 70 LB
stroller at 5:30 pace? Yeah.
I'll do some plyometrics too, like clapping, push ups and
things like that. Just like I need a little bit
more spring out of the arms. If you, that was more like when
I was on a track, but like if you have to turn over really
quick and like get the arms a little bit more snappy.
Well I'm actually to be his clap push ups.
I So I should actually do? Yeah, probably not E.
Six you should be able to Nate. Probably like anywhere from 8 to
10 times a day. I do actually have to do very
fast sometimes, like quick eccentrics and quick concentric
upper body like trunk rotation, arm reaching out to grab
Isabella before she's about to do something.
So technically she's like a 30 LB weight.
So how does that count? But she's not listening.
I'm like, no, don't go that way. It's.
Good stuff, but it's not the majority of what I'm doing,
right? I I toss a little bit in and it
complements the other things I'm doing.
Yeah. It's like the little seasoning
salt, you know, you just are like the finishing salt.
You put it on top at the end, you know.
All right. Next question is from Dario from
Slovenia. They're asking this.
My name is Dario. I'm police officer candidate
from Slovenia. And I've recently become a big
fan of your technical approach to shoe reviews.
I'm reaching out because I've hit a bit of a shoe wall and
would value your expert perspective.
Not the shoe wall behind you, Matt.
So for the past year I've been using the ASICS Gel Tribute Go
12 for everything. My daily casual shoe is a
certain size, but they size up for for running and the swelling
that happens with runs. While they are fantastic on
trail runs, using them for Rd. runs has led to persistent lower
leg pain. My PT suggested that this is
likely due to the lugged trail shoe on hard pavement lacking
the specific Rd. stability that they might need.
So they're on a search for a new shoe for the road and they said
this. I'm currently debating between
the Brooks A General Adrenaline GTS 25-A6 Gel Kiano 32 and
Mizuno Wave Inspire 22. Given the background information
here, which with these would you recommend for a heavier runner
to manage the impact forces while staying responsive?
Are there any other stable, neutral, or dedicated stability
options I've overlooked that handle high mass loading better?
So I will, even though we haven't reviewed it here, I've
always kept tabs unless you're broke because it is technically,
although they don't call it this anymore based on the
construction is technically still like a stable and has been
a stability issue in the trail lineup for ASICS.
For some time we reviewed it last time.
What did we I did? Oh, that's right.
We did. Yeah, that's right.
So David, maybe you should comment on that.
I was going to say sick with the ASIC stuff.
I, I, the adrenaline's not very responsive.
So if he's wanting something that has some bounce to it,
that's definitely not it. The Kiano's probably the closest
thing. But David, why don't you go?
You got the most experience with it.
Yeah. Oh, well, you know what?
Actually, I was in the Trabuco light or the speedy one.
Yeah, the. Trabuco's a a different yeah
beast. Yeah, so maybe I'm not the right
person, but anyways, I I would honestly just encourage them to
go into a running store and try on a bunch of shoes.
It sounds like if you're in trail shoes all the time for
everything, that means you're probably not super accustomed to
wearing Rd. models. So I don't know if I would lean
super hard into the stability category between the Adrenaline,
Kiano, and Inspire respectively. Not that any of them are bad
shoes, but they're all different designs from each other.
The Trabuco is a high drop firmer platform though right?
So then I would if if I'm forced to decide, I would go probably
between. The not yeah, higher stack
height, not necessarily higher drop, but yeah.
I thought it was. I thought it was like 10 or 12.
I don't. Think so.
I'll look it up, guys. Double check, keep talking, keep
going. Yeah, 'cause if it isn't that 10
or 12 category, the Inspire is going to be the closest to
matching that experience wise, probably from Mizuno.
If it's a little bit lower than you go adrenaline and if it's
the Kiono is going to be the most rockered, it's going to be
a little bit different. So I think it really just comes
down to if you want a rounded bottom with some stability, the
I mean the Kiono is a great shoe, right?
It was our stability shoe of the year last year.
But it is different from the traditional trail design that
you're describing. I think if I'm trying to mimic
the closest thing to that, I'm leaning towards the Mizuno
Inspire, but I actually haven't run in the most recent Inspire.
Like I know they changed it quite a bit, so that's also like
8mm. So then maybe the adrenaline
could be a option kind of more in the middle.
The trouble is the adrenaline just isn't a response if he's
got, he said. The word response got it.
It's just not a responsive shoe. It's not meant for that great
walking shoe. Just not a lot of pop out of
that midsole, which is fine and some people don't want that.
But yeah, that's where I kind of lean to the kind of which is a
little bit more bounce into it. If the kind of is too
aggressive, Even though I'm going to take Flack for this, I
think the Nimbus might actually be a good alternative since it's
also in that like 810mm drop now.
It's not, in my opinion, soft. It's very stable, neutral in
that regard and very durable. Specs are fairly similar in that
regard. Just gonna not not as firm Mr.
Pico. But Nimbus is kind of what I was
thinking to be honest. How do y'all compare the
adrenaline to the glycerin when it comes to responsiveness?
So Klein would be a better person.
You want a responsive. I didn't run any adrenaline.
You mean the glycerin GTS? Yeah, GTS, yeah.
Yeah, I neither one are meant to be responsive.
That's not their function. They're meant to either be
provide both are great walking shoes.
Glycerin is obviously a little bit softer kind of glycerin is
going to be the more rolling ride.
Adrenaline is going to be a little more like flat platform.
Glycerin actually isn't bad in terms of like even the normal
glycerin isn't isn't terrible with being a little bit more
stable neutral, but just wouldn't be a top of my head if
you had the term responsive. That's where I think I'm leading
more toward the Nimbus, which is a little bit more snappy, which
is real. This version was very different
than prior ones. And I'm also going, Hey, you've
had success with ASICS. You know, I'm I'm hesitant to
like totally change brands there, but you know, the models
are different. That's fair.
I, I like the idea of staying within kind of what's been
comfortable from a construction standpoint, phone compound
standpoint, there's some crossover there.
And just in general feel. And this also goes back to the
conversation we started having earlier about what we know about
like how much does mass or weight play into shoe selection?
And right now it's not super well defined.
And so assuming this person has the capacity to get to a store
to try on a bunch, I think, I think the ones on their list
are, are good and worth trying. And then if you wanted to try
some that were in the more stable neutral category, I think
like you said, the Nimbus would be 1 worth trying.
I even have some of the shoes in like Topo or an ultra kind of in
my mind as ones that have that kind of more stable neutral
platform on them. But there I think that the world
is kind of your oyster a little bit like there's a lot to try
and you know, you might not get it right the first time, but
that's part of running is trying shoes.
And you know, thankfully you don't have to run in them for
years. You got to replace them if
you're getting mileage on them and if you're spending all day
in them too, that's a whole other factor that they're kind
of mentioning here. It's not just running.
It's like for everything. That's also why I thought the
nimbus, by the way. What do y'all think about Like a
triumph? A little soft, to be honest.
I feel like the contrast between those midsoles and and everybody
has different experiences. I feel like that that is a very
large contrast between the two. Cool.
All right, great. Let's move to our next one, Jack
writes in. I remember reading your Puma
Deviate Nitro Elite Trail review and I too have been using that
shoe on the road and for workouts.
If I wanted the Puma Rd. shoe version of that, which would you
recommend? Should I get the Nitro Four or
the Nitro Elite 4 or maybe even an earlier version?
Any other Rd. recommendations as I'm doing more on the road and
track lately with the winter weather.
By the way, the zoom fly did not work well for me is I had
excessive hip and calf soreness after running to them.
However, my mount to Coast H1 seemed to work well but I'm
looking for a couple of Rd. not trail shoes.
What do you like for non plated trainers?
Thanks again and hope all is well.
The Puma deviates plated. It is.
Very stiff too, yeah. So you had me the whole way
there until you said non plated. I mean, David, to throw back to
an early comment, Azura, but it's not going to be exactly
maybe kind of somewhat similar fit actually, but yeah, not
quite. Well, let's let's start with the
first. Is the trail version more close
to the Nitro like DV8 Nitro Four or the DV8 Nitro Elite 4?
That was kind of their first question.
Oh, that's a good. Question, you have more
experience in both models? I have more experience than just
the DV8 Nitro 4. I mean, I'd say the plate
doesn't feel like it's spooned out quite as hard on the trail
version where it's very spooned out and a little more aggressive
on the DV8 Nitro four. However, the general fit of it
though is, I mean kind of similar.
I don't know. I mean it's built off the DV8
last right? Like it reminds me a lot of DV8
Nitro elite one if you could get your hand on that, but I mean I
highly doubt you'll be able to find that I.
Know it's such a good. It's very hard to find those
anymore. Yeah, I know.
I look. Dude, I love that shoe.
It was one of the best. Yeah, that show was phenomenal.
Yeah, it was a great shoot. Yeah, that's, again, there are
some people out there that actually have DV8 natural elite
ones with trail outsoles glued to them out there.
Can't actually say who, although a couple have been, maybe have
been on the podcast. But yeah, not me.
I wish, but that's AI. Don't know how to answer that.
That's a great question, to be honest with you.
I'm kind of leaning toward dude use.
I had like I have almost 100 miles just stand on the road.
A lot of it is I've just done whole like 1012 mile runs on
road. It's been 5 done track workouts
in this shoe. It's.
Fine. It's an ATR outsole though,
right? It's meant to be altering.
Yeah. What would you say is the
crossover? How close is it to like the SC
trainer which I know has a plate too but.
Not very close. No, no.
Because. This I don't quite, somebody
correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not is actually not a
carbon plate here, correct? It's a power plate, but it's not
carbon. I do.
I don't actually remember. I got to look that up because.
It's definitely stiff and snappy.
Yeah, I think it's a feedback. I might be totally wrong, but
I'm looking at this thing right now and like, oh, that's right.
So, yeah, it's such a unique right.
It's why I loved it. I was like running on the road
and I'm like, hey, this is fit and super well.
I can do long runs. I can do workouts in this good
traction on the track. According to Running Warehouse,
it has a Carbon composite PowerPoint.
OK, there we go. OK, so so which one?
It's more man. It sits between Deviate and
Deviate Nitro Elite, to be honest.
Yeah, it's correct. Because, yeah, Deviate Nitro is
so stiff. Upper's actually a little bit
more similar to the Deviate Nitro, but just the lightness of
the Elite is just on a whole different level.
Like that thing being at 6 ounces is just, it's nice.
I love it. Yeah, maybe it's actually closer
to the DV83 then because the DV83 had a little bit more 4
foot flexibility than the DV84 does.
That might be true. And some, you know, if he's, he
kind of referenced earlier models that could be one that if
you can get your hands on it. I think you're right actually.
And that shoe had I always felt like I could turn over pretty
good in that shoe get good. I just still remember certain
long run workouts that I did in that shoe and it was pretty
solid. I've never ran in the trail
version of the elite. So I can't I can't compare them.
But just from what y'all are saying, what y'all are saying,
cool. All right, we have one more
question for the day. This is Ben from Calgary, AB,
Canada question. I'm in a weird state.
I'm in a weird life stage with three young children ages 1,
three and five and not sleeping well because of this and I'm
sick what seems to be every three to four weeks.
This is very common experience for parents.
I know this. I I live this right now.
My wife was like, oh it's just because we moved to Oregon.
Like no, it's because we have a kid in daycare and like some of
the viruses have been the worst they've been in years.
So sick every three to four weeks, not sleeping well.
Has three young kids I'm which also brings all along its own
level of stresses. As awesome as parenting is, I'm
training for my first marathon. I know it's important to rest
and feel better, but at what point do I quote power through
the sniffles and train anyway? At what point do I skip a run?
My marathon is May 17th in the distance with my training plan
is starting to increase a ton so I'm worried about skipping a
long run and then falling behind.
And then they said hindsight. Is 2020 maybe not the best life
stage to train for a marathon lol.
Thanks for the help. Life is what happens while
you're making plans. So like stuff happens and the
ability to realize that missing a single run isn't going to kill
you, but missing a ton of them that might make things a bit
more challenging. So like knowing, hey, if I need
to skip one for my health, that makes total sense, right?
Like for me, I was, I really wanted to erase this last
weekend and I was like, you know what?
I've got like my Regina's really, my wife is really sick.
Isabella's sick. I'm having to sleep in a whole
separate room and I can just feel it coming on.
I'm just going to do a workout instead and I'm just going to
call it and save it for another day.
But knowing I'm still going to get the stimulus I need and
still train. And I these two know that I
trained through all kinds of stuff that they should.
So, you know, it's like, hey, if it's life threatening, then
probably not. You got to lay low for a little
bit. But if it's you got some
sniffles, like, you know, just get through it.
Make sure you do your best and it's just life, right?
We're not professional athletes. We have, and even professional
athletes have their own requirements, but like for us,
we got jobs, we got kids and that makes things more
complicated. So don't look for perfection.
Just get through it, man. It's it's tough, but just get
through it and you'll survive. And the marathon is going to be
also. Just get through it, enjoy it.
It's never a perfect time. It's like having a kid.
There's never a perfect time, you know So.
I think Matt alluded to this, but he might not be the best
person to listen to when it comes to what to and what not to
run through based on his own decisions.
Concussion. Kudos for a run broken to run.
Through concussion. Concussion, maybe pneumonia,
running through it. That's not smart, but yeah.
Well, kudos to you Ben for trying something hard and doing
something pretty cool and like being sounds like thoughtful
about kind of your parenting and stuff too.
That's pretty great. I think there's a rule of thumb
that's not not fully grounded in complete science, but I think
it's pretty good where if there's sickness that's really
kind of reserved up in the kind of sinuses or it's just kind of
like up towards the head cold type of description of symptoms
versus when it's getting down into the respiratory system and
like into your lungs and you can like feel it in your chest.
It's probably easier to do some of some more work when it's just
up high in the head versus going down into the lungs because the,
the you're, your lymphatic system is what kind of clears
out a lot of different things when you're sick.
And just like your immune system working, if you stress it too
much, you just won't get better as quickly as you would if you
can recover. And so there's some wisdom.
And I think when it comes down kind of below your neck and
you're feeling it more in your chest, I personally would
recommend backing off. And that's the decisions that I
make for myself. If it's up in my head, I'll kind
of just go for my runs. I might skip a workout, but just
get some miles in, keep it easy and and kind of go about things
that way. Agree with Matt on like the if
you look at a full cycle of training for a marathon, if you
skip 1 long run, you're still going to be able to train for
the marathon. If you skip 3 long runs, you
probably will have a harder time.
And so give yourself a little bit of leeway there where if you
come through and you, you miss, you know, a week of training,
and I'm assuming that it's not 100% missing the week unless
it's something really bad. But if it's missing a good part
of it during a week, you're going to be OK.
You can kind of jump back in. You're not going to lose too
much over that short a period of time.
But if it's this, it's breaking you down week after week after
week, you might be in a little bit more trouble.
The only exception to the stuff with the head stuff is that if
you have like sinus head stuff and then all of a sudden you
can't turn your neck, then go to the ER.
That's a different story. Yeah, that's like potential.
Not again, not my place to diagnosis, but meningitis, I
only saw that because I saw that last week in primary care and I
was like, oh, this is not good. You had a cold for how long?
And you can't turn your head, going to go call the doc and the
physician on stamp called be like, hey dude, can you look at
this? Yeah.
David, do you have anything to add?
Yeah. I would just say, like when
you're on the fence about something and you're looking at
what's up. Do you even get sick in
paradise? Is that allowed?
Every once in a while it happens.
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
Remember I missed the IM that one year because I got COVID.
That's true as sorry. Like a couple days before the
race, I had to call off everything.
Yeah, that was that was a bummer.
That was like during the quarantining times too.
So that was like, now I'm quarantined from my wife.
I don't get to go to the race that I'm planning for, don't go
to work. I'm in a separate room like and
I don't talk real bad for like a week.
I I I feel bad now. I got it.
I was wrong, sorry. Yeah, shame on you.
Anywho, I just. The one time I make a joke.
No, you're good. I used to just tell people like
whatever you do, just make sure you can recover from it.
And if you're looking, if you're, if your system's
sensitive, if you got to think twice about it, maybe you just
don't do it that day. If you're not sure about it and
your body's giving you some signals where it's like, I don't
know about this, like just listen to it and just come back
tomorrow and see if it is doing better.
And if you are spread a little bit thin or maybe you don't have
as much time leading up to the race and you can't hold the
volume that you're trying to hold from a training standpoint,
maybe you just break it up and you decrease it, but you still
get some volume in other ways. And so that could be like going
a little bit further, having a day off or two and then going a
little bit further, having a day off a little bit further.
That's kind of how I'm running right now.
And there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're
recovering from it and you're feeling OK.
And sometimes I can give you a little bit more time to be with
your family and do things like that too.
So plans don't have to be super rigid when you're going forward
for some of those planned events.
Yeah, that's what I got. That's great.
Training for marathon is harder in reality than it looks on
paper sometimes. Like you start to realize all
the time commitments. And I'm just I giggle at the
last part when he said hindsight is 2020 maybe not the best stage
of life to train for a marathon, especially your first one, but
it's fun. I mean, it's it's going to be
something you look back at and you get to reminisce about the
terrible parts of it because I think there are parts of
marathon training that just like aren't fun period.
And you're still thankful for it in the end.
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