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Hey everyone and welcome to the 
Doctors Are Running podcast 

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where we, a group of doctors of 
physical therapy, talk about the

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art and the science of the 
things we put on our feed. 

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Tonight is me and Doctor Salas 
who are going to do a this or 

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that episode which I'm really, 
really excited for. 

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But first we obvious obviously 
have to talk about not really 

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the elephant in the room, but 
the big thing in the room. 

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This is being recorded the day 
after the 2024 Olympic Marathon 

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trails, which was quite the 
sight to see. 

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We all have different reasons 
for watching it. 

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Those of us, people that we 
know, those of us who are 

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geeking out, watching what shoes
are being worn, it was very 

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interesting to see who and what 
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So Doctor Celeste, I want to 
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out. 
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What were your big takeaways and
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Trials yesterday? 
Dude, that race was awesome. 

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I mean that had like all the 
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and it was funny because we were
talking. 

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So we had a viewing party with 
me and some of my friends. 

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We were up, you know, and on the
West Coast, it's 7:00 for the 

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start time. 
So I'm over there at six 

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something AM at my friend's 
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party and the gun goes off and 
the men's race ends up being a 

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little bit more tactical. 
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which for them is doable, You 
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That's like 210 to 11 pace, give
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And then the woman's race, they 
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you know, like they just like 
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want to leave anything to 
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And it was just fun watching and
seeing how that race developed 

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because there were certain guys 
or gals that you would kind of 

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expect to be in the mix or 
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And for however the race played 
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their strengths. 
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ways. 
You know, it was a fun race. 

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And then also like personally 
knowing some of the people that 

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were in that race and in having 
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you're watching that and and 
you're re rooting for them and 

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you're like, Oh my God, like 
let's go, let's go, you know. 

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So it was a lot of fun. 
I I think I was watching it more

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ironically from the spectator 
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and I really wasn't looking at 
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I know that at the at the at the
women's race when it ended, I 

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was like, Oh my God, Puma is 
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But I wasn't exactly looking at 
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I was looking more at the 
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Like she was such a good athlete
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cool to see her in her debut be 
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marathon on Emily's assistant. 
It's like, wow, that is really 

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hard to do. 
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the actual, like, race itself 
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willing to put themselves 
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And Dakota Lynn Worm put down an
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I mean, Oh my goodness, the grit
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And I think that honestly is 
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stories. 
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putting it down when she did 
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Like, that is not a move you 
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right behind you. 
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she did it and held her off more
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She beat her like pretty 
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And so that was the that was a 
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Trials, trials record, right? 
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marathon. 
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Running that was insane. 
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full send that thing and like 
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know, like like that's matters. 
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On the men's side, I feel like 
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lot of people expected to some 
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I don't think a lot of people 
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the way he did, but he made the 
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and he put it all out there. 
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listening out there like you did
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a that was a great race. 
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last 5K. 
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you put everything out there and
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to be in that top three and it 
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'Cause that's the beauty. 
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like, you never know what's 
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You can be the best trained 
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know, it's kind of there. 
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People might not like this, but 
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luck, 'cause you never know how 
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be like. 
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practice your nutrition, all 
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And so it's it's kind of the 
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prepared you can, but you also 
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Pride going. 
I gave it everything I had. 

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This is where the cards landed, 
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So that was interesting to me. 
But yeah, not to interrupt you 

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on that. 
No, no, you're good. 

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And but it was a good race. 
I mean obviously like Connor 

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Manson, Clayton Young were kind 
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I mean like they they were 
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everyone else. 
But it was an interesting race 

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for 3rd, 4th and 5th. 
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under 210 CJ, that I was 
cheering very, very hard for you

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to get under that mark. 
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really cool race to watch. 
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the footwear geek, it was very 
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and I I do also recognize again 
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this is just me being a shoe 
geek and there's so many other 

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factors that go into this. 
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two Pumas. 
So we got our first really true 

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good look at the Deviate Nitro 
Elite 3 on the two wonderful 

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Puma athletes. 
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Emily Sisson is still running 
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Yeah, well. 
Isn't a pacer Should be the SC 

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pacer? 
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That's not that does not. 
It's got a pacer, though. 

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But then it better not look. 
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breaking laws. 
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can be out for like 12 months, 
like I think they have 12 months

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to get it out. 
Is that true? 

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I don't know. 
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She's been racing in the SC 
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don't know, yeah. 
It doesn't look like an SC 

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pacer. 
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It looks thicker than a pacer. 
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whatever the news, it's probably
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using. 
It's now coming out in the 

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newest shoes. 
It's probably been there, but it

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looks like a higher stack 
modified SC pacer, which I get 

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but it doesn't look. 
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then if it is not the SC pacer, 
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Yeah, it the the SC pacer is 
there's an SC pacer 2 coming out

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but it looked different to me. 
Somebody quote tell me if I'm 

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wrong, but that was cool. 
It's got to release. 

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It's I guess it does, right? 
Because that's the new rule. 

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I think someone will be on that.
I believe it or something, but 

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it's going to come out, so 
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have to. 
I was looking this up. 

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I think this the new rule was 
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12 months I believe. 
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on that maybe that that might be
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I also thought was was somewhat 
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seeing so many people choose the
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It was like Connor Mance was or 
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the OG alpha fly I. 
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Was. 
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I I apologize. 
I didn't. 

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I didn't pay attention to Galen 
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Galen, kudos to him. 
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I think he was. 
I'm pretty. 

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Sure. 
I don't know. 

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I didn't see it was interesting 
to see the winner would be 

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wearing the Alphafly one. 
And this goes back to what 

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Andrea and I were talking about 
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You see a ton of people wearing 
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Sometimes it made me wonder 
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accessibility or is it just that
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much more? 
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Not version 2, but version one 
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Huh. 
I wonder if someday Nike might 

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do a re release because version 
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I'm very interested in Asic's 
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Clayton Young was wearing the 
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I really want to see what's 
coming up and then obviously LED

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a career that was really 
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the crush the finish line after 
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trials and have to be really 
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Like if you if you haven't got a
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after he finishes, like it's 
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really encourage you. 
It's just, yeah, a lot of 

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emotion. 
It was a very cool trials, but 

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it was also cool to see what 
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up on the podium and I'm sure 
we're going to see a lot more 

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stuff. 
I mean it was surprising the 

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things missing from the podium I
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see any Adidas because Adidas 
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international. 
Nike doesn't surprise me a 

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little. 
A6, a Puma now with their stuff 

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isn't as surprising, but seeing 
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So yeah, it was just, it was 
interesting on all fronts to be 

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able to shoe geek and obviously 
a running nerd as well. 

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So I think that was really good.
Our subjective today is going to

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be what did you think of the 
trials, whether you are a shoe 

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geek like me or a phenomenal 
running connoisseur like David, 

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What were your big thoughts in 
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What was most exciting to you? 
So we're now after 10 solid 

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minutes talking about trials. 
We're going to do our this or 

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that episode, a lot of this. 
We're going to have a little 

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explosion on the socket, 
Endorphin Speed 4 because that's

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what we have. 
We don't have the endorphin pro 

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hoping that comes through and 
what we do we'll we'll try to 

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get some miles on that or I'll 
have to buy it at some point. 

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We'll see. 
But Socket Endorphin Speed Four 

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was just released something 
we've got a lot of miles on. 

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I have 100 miles on them and 
this is the result of my 

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outsole. 
David, how many miles do you 

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have in your pair? 
Not quite as many. 

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I'm probably somewhere in that 
40 ish range probably. 

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I've had a pretty large influx 
of shoes to review, so I'm kind 

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of doing what I can. 
Yeah, I got this earlier when 

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you were working and we're 
running your marathon, so that's

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not quite fair. 
You did take it on trail though,

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so this is we'll. 
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really well. 
I mean, there's some dirt on 

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that. 
I know, I can see that. 

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Yeah. 
So let's do our this or that. 

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So our first this or that right 
now is going to be for a general

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performance trainer comparing 
the Saucony endorphin Speed 4 to

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the Adidas Boston 12. 
So David, you take it off first.

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If you had to choose this or 
that, which one are you choosing

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and why? 
That is such a spicy question, 

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man. 
It is because I I love the 

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Adidas Boston 12. 
Those that have been following 

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us know that that was one of my 
tempo trainers of the year last 

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year or performance trainers, 
whatever we want to call it. 

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Lightweight trainer Boston 12. 
Kind of a firmer base with the 

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light strike, but you have a 
good healthy chunk of light 

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strike pro through the heel in 
the forefoot, bouncy toe off 

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sharp toe spring. 
It's rigid, but it still has 

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some flexibility to it. 
It's not carbon plated, you 

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know, performance lockdown. 
It's a performance trainer 

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through and through and it's one
that I've used for a lot of 

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things I can say for pretty much
everything I just said for the 

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past and 12 can kind of apply to
the endorphin speed for and 

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except for that firmer base. 
So the power and PB is 

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noticeable through the entire 
midsole. 

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The plate has been firmed up a 
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you have a little bit more 
rigidity through it and some 

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snappiness. 
The one of the things I noticed 

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immediately on the endorphin 
speed four was the traction is 

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immensely better that lattice 
they. 

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Did a really great job with 
that. 

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It's honestly one of my favorite
outsoles that I've probably run 

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in for a performance shoe. 
The connectivity to the ground 

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is better. 
The stack cut I think is the 

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same, right? 
I don't think it changed. 

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I think it's like 36. 
I don't think it did. 

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Yeah. 3628, I think is the same,
yeah. 

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Yeah, upper is a little bit more
comfortable. 

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Feels surprisingly plush for how
aerie it is, but what I will say

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from an experience standpoint, 
they both have lively toe offs. 

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They're both fun, but a lot of 
what I liked about the Boston 12

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applies to the endorphin Speed 
4. 

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But it's also like what, 3 oz 
lighter or something like that? 

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It's. 
Quite a bit between the Boston 

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12 and then speed 4, Speed 4. 
It's not that bad. 

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Speed Four is 8.2 oz. 
Boston, I think is 9.5 oz or 

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like low nines. 
No, it's not. 

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No, no. 
You're thinking of the of 10 and

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11. 
That was like 10 1/2 plus oz. 

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So the 12 came down quite a bit.
They did a better job, yeah. 

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So it's closer than I thought. 
What I will say though in 

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responsiveness, the speed 4I 
felt comfortable running on the 

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track with and I felt running 
fast and really turning over and

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I can't see the same for the 
Boston 12. 

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For the Boston 12 felt more like
a long run tempo. 

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I mean it it responds obviously 
like if I'm running marathon 

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pace I'm running 5 something per
mile like it's still like a good

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amount of speed under it. 
But it I feel like I can run sub

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five minute pace in the 
endorphin speed for much more 

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comfortably than I can run that 
in the Boston 12. 

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I feel like that power MPP is 
just a little bit more 

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responsive. 
I feel like that plate just digs

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in more and I think the traction
under foot, it's almost like 

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that. 
The lattice structure is almost 

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like you can feel it gripping 
the ground under you, if that 

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makes sense. 
Yeah, that does. 

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Yeah, definitely. 
Where like you still get that in

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the Boston, but there's also 
just, I don't know, there's a 

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lot of electric pro and it just 
it feels like it's more 

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dependent on the rocker that it 
has versus the endorphin speed 

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for where it has a little bit 
more flex to it and it just 

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feels a little bit flatter. 
Like it feels like you can 

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really dig into that 4 foot 
more. 

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So maybe that's what I'm getting
out there. 

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That might. 
Be. 

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Where I can feel like it's a 
little bit more responsive and I

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can run a little faster in the 
speed 4, so generally speaking. 

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Yeah, which one do you pick? 
I'm actually going to pick the 

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Speed four. 
I think the speed four was 7 

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shoulders above the speed 3. 
For me personally, I actually 

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really like the Speed Four and I
think it's like one of the shoes

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I've been looking for for a 
while. 

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And I as much as I love the 
Boston 12, I feel like I can do 

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everything that I like in the 
Boston 12 in the Speed Four and 

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then some. 
So I feel like it just it just 

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wins. 
I'm. 

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Going to have to agree with you 
on that, that you know I really 

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like the Speed 3. 
The only challenge I had to it 

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was that it didn't. 
I didn't feel like it has as 

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much versatility into faster 
workouts and I feel like the 

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Speed 4 totally fixed that. 
Where not only is it is it a 

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shoe that I could do easy runs 
in, which I know isn't how it 

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was really supposed to be. 
Like that's not really wasn't 

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his intended purpose this round.
From what I understand, it was 

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supposed to be more of like, OK,
this is just a more flexible or 

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less stiff super shoe. 
I still felt really comfortable 

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doing long runs, easy runs, any 
kind of workout you could 

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imagine. 
I felt really, really, really 

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good in it. 
And so I think as a general 

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performance trainer I like it 
better. 

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The way the heels designed it 
kind of. 

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It's a little clunky at 1st and 
I think I mentioned that in our 

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written review. 
But as it breaks in it feels 

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kind of fairly stable for a shoe
that's you know pretty soft with

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piva and like again midfoot 
narrows, nothing crazy. 

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They're all side are side walls.
But the heel feel and heel and a

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little bit midfit feels better 
for me. 

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The Boston 12, I actually feel 
the opposite of you, where I 

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have struggled to use this on 
long runs because that lateral 

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projection of the rides really 
forces me medial. 

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So I can't handle this shoe for 
longer runs because that pushes 

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me over in the midfoot super 
narrow. 

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So that takes away any of the 
stable feeling of the prior 2 

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versions, even though it's much 
lighter. 

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So I actually found this shoe a 
lot better for really fast 

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workouts. 
So like very short temple runs, 

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really fast interval stuff like 
that. 

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The Boston actually worked a lot
better for me, but it lost that 

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versatility into a training shoe
because of the the stability 

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thing. 
So people that need like lateral

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stability. 
Like if you tend to like you go 

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too far lateral, you supinate a 
lot. 

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History of ankle sprains, This 
shoe might work really well for 

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you if you're me, because I need
the opposite. 

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It didn't work as well for 
longer stuff. 

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Work for really fast snappy 
stuff. 

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The speed for had more of that 
versatility where I could train 

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in it comfortably even though 
that might not be how it's 

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intended and did long run, long 
easy runs, really comfortable as

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well as workout. 
So for me, the Gen. as a general

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performance chamber, the Speed 
for kind of wins, although I 

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think in Saucony's line, I feel 
like the way that they're 

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advertising it, the Kinvara Pro 
actually might be the better 

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general performance trainer and 
better comparison to the DS 

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Boston 12, but before the Pro 
was available, that was the 

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major one. 
So endorphin Speed 4 still wins 

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for me. 
Yeah, that's interesting you say

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that because one of the things I
like about the Boston 12 is that

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it does pitch immediately like 
that. 

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Like, yeah, when different 
opinion. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
And just running experience, 

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mechanics, things like that. 
But yeah, we're both in 

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agreement there. 
Yep. 

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So let's see if we agree on this
next one. 

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For long run workouts we're 
going to have socking and 

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socking endorphins speed 4 
versus the hook up Mach X. 

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What do you think of that? 
I'll throw it to you again 

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first. 
Yeah, I've had long run workouts

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in both, and I'm still going to 
go with the Speed Four. 

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I think it just works with my 
mechanics well, especially with 

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long runs. 
Like, who knows what kind of 

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footing you're going to be on. 
I mean, granted, it's a workout,

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so you're probably going to try 
and keep it mostly road and 

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runnable surfaces, but I feel 
like if there's a lot of 

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variants, a lot of kind of 
change of direction, like I I 

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feel much more grounded in the 
Speed 4I will say the Mach X has

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a much more Rockford ride and it
does still have a bouncy toe off

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with that kind of half PBOT 
midsole that it has and it's 

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very lively. 
It's still a really good shoe. 

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I just think for my own 
mechanics, I do like the way the

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endorphin speed four runs. 
It would not surprise me at all 

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if you know, this time next 
year, I'm still talking about 

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the Speed 4 to some degree. 
I think it's just one of those 

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shoes that works well for me. 
So all bias aside there, I think

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the geometry is going to be, 
it's going to be dependent on 

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what the runner wants from a 
geometry standpoint because the 

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Speed 4, even though it does 
have that speed roll, it's not 

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quite as Rockard as some of 
these other shoes. 

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And there's a little bit of 
flexibility to it. 

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And you kind of have this 
forefoot like almost like 

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pulling sensation when you get 
over onto it. 

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You don't have as much of that 
rocker ride or you're kind of 

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rolling forward or falling 
forward. 

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It's a little bit more dependent
on you. 

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Whereas in the Mach X, that's 
the exact opposite. 

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It's very, you know, rocker 
forward on the forefoot there 

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and you have a big rolling 
sensation and it would bounce 

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through there. 
So I don't know. 

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There's not really a wrong 
answer here. 

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They both are really good. 
It just depends on the 

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experience that you want. 
And for me personally, I can get

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some hip flexor and some 
hamstring sensitivity with these

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really rocker shoes if I'm 
running long times in them. 

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So the Speed 4 is just a little 
bit more of a balanced offering 

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for me, and for me I respond 
better to that. 

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Yeah, I'm going to agree with 
you. 

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I really wanted to like the Mach
XI. 

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Really didn't. 
It's ironic. 

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It uses AP backs plate, Is that 
correct? 

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Am I saying that right? 
It's AP backs plate. 

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Right. 
I think so. 

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Yeah, I think so. 
Yeah, it's actually. 

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One of the stiffer rides that 
I've ever experienced, and I 

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talked about that in review, it 
Just because something's not 

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carbon plated doesn't mean it's 
not initially stiff. 

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This is so stiff and I think it 
was actually a little bit too 

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stiff for me and I found myself 
limited to short, faster runs 

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with it. 
Whereas again, you hit the head,

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hit the nail on the head. 
Actually, I've done a ton of 

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long run workouts in this shoe 
where you know after 9 miles of 

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pushing a stroller with Isabella
that all of a sudden I'll go do 

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a three mile temple run with 
her. 

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And the speed for really 
transitions nicely between those

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things. 
Again, because I think it really

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has that versatility. 
The Mach X is a shoe that I 

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think if you really like the 
stiff Rockford rides from Hoka, 

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this is going to do really, 
really well for you and you're 

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probably going to like this. 
I on longer faster runs kind of 

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prefer a little bit more. 
Flexibility is from going from 

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easy to fast stuff, although I'm
sure if I was doing a marathon 

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I'd start running in carbon 
plated stuff more. 

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Just get my body ready if this 
is something that you want to 

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try, I think it is. 
It does have some versatility if

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you like stiffer stuff but again
for me just the comfort 

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especially at toe off in the 
endorphin speed four and the 

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ability to transition between 
easy and fast just makes it my 

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preferred long run workout shoe 
and that's what it has been. 

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That's how I got 100 miles on 
it. 

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So I'm I'm definitely with you 
on that and because we're 

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agreeing too much and I like 
drama because I think people 

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like listen to that, I'm going 
to try to throw a couple other 

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options in here to see what you 
think. 

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So this is going to be now our 
non carbon plated half marathon 

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to marathon racer. 
So I'm going to throw out a 

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couple different options here. 
We're going to do a six super 

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blast endorphin speed four. 
We're going to throw the Adidas 

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Boston 12 back in there and 
heck, we'll throw the mock X in 

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there just for for giggles. 
Anything else you want to throw 

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in there that's not carbon 
plated to make this interesting?

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Let's let's put this the the 
topo and I said topo right. 

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For those of you who criticized 
me on YouTube, the Topo Cyclone 

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2 on there just just for 
giggles. 

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So what do you think? 
Can I? 

448
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,640
Can I add another shoe? 
Sure. 

449
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,800
Let's add something else in 
there. 

450
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,760
Let's add to. 
All right. 

451
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,320
And we have seen some people run
some pretty fast marathons in 

452
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,920
the even in the news Takumi 
send, so Takumi send as well 

453
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,480
because it is not carbon plated,
right. 

454
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,480
They're rods. 
I forget what they are, but it's

455
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,400
not carbon. 
So which one do you think for 

456
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,280
half marathon to marathon 
racing? 

457
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,200
Actually didn't know my answer. 
Because out of all of the, out 

458
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,840
of all of the options that we've
had, I think for all of the 

459
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,120
reasons I've said, I still would
choose the speed for not 

460
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,120
counting Takumi send, not 
counting the Takumi send. 

461
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,240
I thought you were including. 
That no, no, hold on. 

462
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,240
I thought you're gonna include 
it between the Super blast, the 

463
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,000
Mach X, the endorphin speed, the
Boston like all these 

464
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,760
performance trainers I would 
probably go speed for. 

465
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,480
OK. 
Not carbon plated. 

466
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,360
The Takumi send does count in 
there and that 33mm with the 

467
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,720
Light Strike Pro, that's right. 
Like it's a very you can throw 

468
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,320
that in there. 
It's a very race ready feel for 

469
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,080
me and it's a shoe that has 
worked really well for me and a 

470
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,440
lot of performance parameters 
whether it's on the track or on 

471
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,000
road workouts. 
I would go with the Takumi Sen 9

472
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,960
if I had to choose my non carbon
plated marathon racing shoe, but

473
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,840
that might be unstable for some,
you know it's a relatively more 

474
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,240
narrow platform that's undercut 
medially. 

475
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,680
It's meant to go fast, you know,
and it's not really, there's not

476
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,920
that many other considerations 
for that shoe besides that. 

477
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,680
And so OK, if you need a little 
bit more stability, those other 

478
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,280
options might be better. 
But the Super blast, for me, it 

479
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,240
works really well as a long run 
shoe, but it feels a little bit 

480
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520
clunky to me. 
If I want to go and try and race

481
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,440
1/2 marathon like when I get 
down to those kinds of paces, it

482
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,280
just feels like it's a lot. 
And the Mock X kind of the same 

483
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,400
thing where it's like a little 
overly stiff and Rockard and I I

484
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,800
just don't really feel that good
running that half marathon pace 

485
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,080
in it versus Endorphin Speed 
Four. 

486
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,720
It feels pretty comfortable at 
that pace. 

487
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,760
So for me it's a pretty easy 
endorphin speed 4 unless we 

488
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,120
throw the Takumi Send in there. 
But the only reason why I put 

489
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,880
that differentiation in there is
because the Takumi Send is meant

490
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,800
to be a racing shoe, right? 
Like that is meant to be a top 

491
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,400
of the line racing shoe for 
5K10K versus the endorphin Speed

492
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,520
four. 
It's kind of meant to be more of

493
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760
a versatile, you know, 
performance trainers. 

494
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,880
That's the only reason why I 
kind of said without the Takumi 

495
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,600
sent involved. 
That makes sense. 

496
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,480
Yeah, this is a pretty hard one 
for me, but I'm going to make a 

497
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,840
decision on this one. 
I know you said we're going into

498
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,720
half marathon, but the need for 
versatility, of the versatility 

499
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,840
into the marathon, I am going to
have to choose a super blast. 

500
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,920
There's going to be A if it if 
it ever uploads, it's taking 

501
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,880
forever. 
For some reason. 

502
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,240
I have 200 miles on this pair 
and it AI have still not worn 

503
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,960
through the outsole. 
And B I've used this for so many

504
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,400
different types of runs and long
runs have been one of those 

505
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,640
things where I can run pretty 
much as far as I want. 

506
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,600
My midfoots not going to ache, 
I'm not going to get those usual

507
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,800
kind of like that, like really 
bad fatigue. 

508
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,720
Like I'll get tired, but I don't
cut those aches associated with 

509
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,000
instability or like a loss of 
like bounciness over longer 

510
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,880
effort. 
So, you know, if I had to do 

511
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,280
something tomorrow, I would 
definitely choose a Super Blast,

512
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560
just because it's a shoe that 
I'm so comfortable with and I 

513
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,560
trust so much everything else. 
I wouldn't. 

514
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,600
I we forgot to put in the 
rebellion. 

515
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,120
Not the rebellion. 
The Flash. 

516
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,880
The Mizuno rebellion. 
No, it is rebellion. 

517
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,400
Flash 2. 
Flash two. 

518
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,000
Yeah, I. 
Forgot about it. 

519
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,920
I can't believe I forgot about 
it. 

520
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,600
I'm sorry, Mizuno. 
Excellent shoe and could easily 

521
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,520
be worn for 1/2 marathon. 
We got to fix that that. 

522
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,360
Upper and non carbon plated. 
That's fair. 

523
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,960
I'm I'm still choosing 
Superblast and the reason I'd 

524
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,720
sit the the close one would be 
the Socket endorphin Speed 4. 

525
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,840
But the reason I wouldn't choose
it, although as I was 

526
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,480
comfortable with it over long 
runs I did start getting that 

527
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,800
mid fatigue and egg as I started
getting into longer effort. 

528
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,760
So while it's got that like 
really nice bounciness that I 

529
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,320
like the Super Blast also has 
that and so I would I from a 

530
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,440
comfort standpoint would choose 
Super Blast over the endorphin 

531
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speed 4 because I've actually 
been able to hit plenty of 

532
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,000
workouts. 
I think the Speed Four has the 

533
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,320
edge on being a little bit 
faster in terms of the 

534
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,120
responsiveness, but the comfort 
wise, Superblast I trust more at

535
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,320
those longer distances because I
have taken it that far. 

536
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,040
So Superblast wins out for me on
that one. 

537
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,320
Now we're going to take a little
break from running shoes for a 

538
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,160
second just to let you cool off 
for a SEC. 

539
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,840
Hopefully there's been good 
arguments at home and you're 

540
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960
disagreeing and now having. 
I'm just kidding. 

541
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,440
So let's do some running stuff. 
Specifically, do you prefer 

542
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,800
David to do easy long runs or 
long run workouts? 

543
00:26:56,120 --> 00:27:04,440
That's a great question, I think
long run workouts and my reason 

544
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760
for that. 
My old work. 

545
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Faster my Yeah, yeah, my long 
runs care. 

546
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,000
Usually 20 miles or more, 
depending if I'm in getting 

547
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,640
ready for a marathon. 20 miles 
easy can take a while and you 

548
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760
can feel like you're out there 
for a minute, even if you're 

549
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,560
with friends and you're talking,
it's like that. 

550
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,240
That's just a long time, like 
sometimes if you can get a 

551
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,440
workout, Granted, if it's like 
you know pretty close to the 

552
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,040
race and you're like getting 
more race specific stuff, you 

553
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,480
might be pretty dead by the end 
of that workout. 

554
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,760
But if we're talking like 
generic long run workout, I'd 

555
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320
probably choose that where you 
still feel pretty good at the 

556
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,160
end but it's over sooner. 
I don't know. 

557
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720
I I love running, but, like, I 
also feel like there's a certain

558
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,720
point where I'm like, I've been 
out here for a while. 

559
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Yeah, that's very fair. 
I think I'm I'm with you on 

560
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,680
that. 
I used to the go to was easy 

561
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,440
long runs. 
I never used to do workouts 

562
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,480
during long runs and then when I
met my wife Regina, all she ever

563
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960
did was like half marathon like 
13 to 15 mile runs at like like 

564
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,280
temp like like marathon or half 
like not not half marathon. 

565
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,400
But definitely there were always
workouts involved and I learned 

566
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
to kind of like that up tempo 
stuff because yeah it gets it 

567
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,520
done sooner there there's 
something to be said for run 

568
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,240
like easy long runs where you 
get to go explore somewhere new 

569
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,680
or you're chatting. 
But usually if it's by myself 

570
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,400
I'm I'm preferring those kind of
a long run workout. 

571
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,920
It's usually it's an up tempo 
run where I just go for like 

572
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,160
1213 have it be a little more, 
little faster. 

573
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,720
But right now just because you 
know I always, I almost always 

574
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,600
run with my wife and plus 
pushing a stroller most of the 

575
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,480
runs are easy long runs right 
now out of just necessity. 

576
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,040
But I think in the future as we 
start getting back together to 

577
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,560
faster stuff, the long run 
workouts are definitely going to

578
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,040
come back at least doing an up 
tempo. 

579
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,480
So I'm going to say I prefer 
those longer run workouts. 

580
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,920
I miss those. 
Then get wrecked too. 

581
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,840
In your brain, you can't think 
the rest of the day, so that's. 

582
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,440
That's the other side. 
I can If you go a little too far

583
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200
into the world, you're screwed. 
It's like, man, you're out of 

584
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,560
connection for the next few 
hours. 

585
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,560
It sucks. 
I cannot. 

586
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,000
Afford to not be able to think 
for an entire Sunday. 

587
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,600
That's a classic. 
What every day is that I got to 

588
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760
get work done day. 
But yeah, so next thing we're do

589
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,000
is this is going to let's hope 
maybe. 

590
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Nah, this won't. 
Stretching after workouts versus

591
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,440
not stretching at all. 
What do you prefer? 

592
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,480
I'm not going to lie. 
I mean it might be a little 

593
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,160
blasphemous. 
I don't really stretch much 

594
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,240
after once I'm I'm usually I'm 
done. 

595
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
I'm I'm done, right? 
Like I'm I'm, I'm finished. 

596
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,400
I I'm usually going to work 
immediately after you know like 

597
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,720
shower, eat, get on the road. 
You know, I I I don't really a 

598
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,720
lot too much time for that. 
Per Southeast. 

599
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,560
I think the better question 
would be before workouts or no 

600
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,360
stretching, because if it's a 
workout, a true workout. 

601
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,720
I'm doing a lot of dynamic 
stretching. 

602
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,560
I'm doing a lot of A skips, B 
skips, strides, leg swings, you 

603
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
know, like just various 
different things. 

604
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
I don't do that. 
Karaoke is that often. 

605
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,720
I do sometimes, though, if I 
feel like I kind of want a 

606
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,080
little bit of lateral mobility. 
It just depends, like, but if 

607
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,400
it's before a workout and like 
you bet I'm warming up for it, 

608
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760
I'm not going to try. 
And you know, I want the muscles

609
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,040
to have that elasticity. 
I want to be able to bounce off 

610
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,120
my legs and feel good about it. 
I don't want to feel flat. 

611
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,400
But afterwards, I can't say that
I'm the best about that one. 

612
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,040
I wouldn't say it's best about 
just if I personally. 

613
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200
I know that the evidence 
suggests if you're going to do 

614
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,520
static stretching, it be done 
afterwards, not beforehand, 

615
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080
cause longer static stretching 
can actually lead to decreased 

616
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,520
power output before some kind of
workout beforehand doing, like 

617
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,560
Dane after before that's. 
Wait, where was I going with 

618
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,560
this? 
My brain's not working. 

619
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Afterwards before afterwards. 
Before or after so afterwards 

620
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,160
suggested before you don't do it
as much. 

621
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,920
I honestly don't stretch that 
much at all at this point 

622
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,880
because I'm not a tight person. 
I think those people that tend 

623
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,520
to have a little extra tone and 
by tone and they be like oh you 

624
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,280
look muscular, I mean like a 
little higher resistance to 

625
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,200
stretch in general. 
Like it's like some of these 

626
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,960
people that are opposite of the 
hyper mobile people, hypo 

627
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,000
mobile. 
I think those individuals might 

628
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400
benefit from some of this just 
because running is repetitive 

629
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,080
and may stiffen them up. 
For me, I don't have that issue.

630
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,440
So I kind of realized that 
stretching wasn't doing very 

631
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840
much for me. 
So if I'm going to do something,

632
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,440
it's going to be like dynamic 
mobility stuff before and like a

633
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,800
lot of lunges, a lot of drills, 
things like that. 

634
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,840
And same thing afterwards. 
I find I do a lot better with 

635
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,320
stabilization exercises or 
drills that work on hip mobility

636
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,840
and ankle stability. 
So that's kind of what I do. 

637
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,000
But in terms of like static 
stretching, I really don't do it

638
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,240
because I started testing and 
found I didn't really feel a 

639
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,840
difference before or afterwards.
And so I know some people swear 

640
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,840
by it and if it's working 
really, really well for you and 

641
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,840
it keeps you healthy as 
individual, great. 

642
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,720
The evidence suggests for 
overall arching people it really

643
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,320
doesn't. 
But if it works for you, great. 

644
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,520
For me, it's not somebody that 
were. 

645
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,560
It really has made an impact on.
And for me, my impairments 

646
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,280
generally tend to be stability 
stuff. 

647
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200
So that's where I tend to focus 
my time in terms of warming down

648
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,120
and cooling or warming up and 
cooling down, well, I cannot 

649
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,200
talk. 
Let's get back to shoes. 

650
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Forgot this. 
All right, so marathon racing 

651
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,120
flat. 
This is a really good one 

652
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,920
because we saw this at the 
trials and I was super curious. 

653
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,520
I would love to talk to somebody
who chose one versus the other, 

654
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,040
but we're going to do a shoe 
that David's going to make fun 

655
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,720
of me if I mispronounced this. 
So comparing for marathon 

656
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:40,760
racing, the Hoka Rocket X2 and 
the Hoka Hoka Cielo Road or CLO 

657
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,000
X1, David's making fun of me 
because I say Celio, it's 

658
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,320
yellow, I think. 
I don't know. 

659
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,840
I can't pronounce anything. 
Yeah, I'm just going to pick it 

660
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,680
out there. 
It's not a Pokémon, it's a shoe.

661
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,600
So I call it Gaviota too. 
So it's Gaviota for their 

662
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,760
stability shoes so. 
No, no. 

663
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,200
It's Gaviota. 
It's Gaviota. 

664
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,280
It is Oh. 
God, no, it's not Gavoita. 

665
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Like you would say Gavoita, and 
we would keep telling you, say 

666
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,200
Gaviota. 
Now you finally have it right 

667
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,880
and you're going. 
To have screwing up. 

668
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,520
Yeah, I know. 
Which one is it? 

669
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,080
Gavoida Gaviota. 
No. 

670
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,280
It is Gaviota Gavoida. 
Sounds like something my 

671
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,760
grandfather would have said, 
like, oh, there's my Gavoida. 

672
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,640
Is it in like A twist? 
I don't know what's going on. 

673
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880
I can feel it in my Gavoida. 
I can feel it in my Gavoida 

674
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,720
anyway. 
So, David, since you're the one 

675
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,160
who most recently ran a 
marathon, let's see if PJ cuts 

676
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,360
that out. 
Since you've most recently run 

677
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,960
in a marathon, would you choose 
the Hoka Rocket X or the Cielo 

678
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960
X1? 
Yeah, I think it's a really good

679
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,800
question because they both are 
good shoes. 

680
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,680
The Rocket X2, it's not at the 
40mm stack height, right? 

681
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,160
It's a little bit lower. 
It's like 30. 

682
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,680
It's a little. 
Bit below that, something like 

683
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,120
that, yeah. 
It's 3536 in that realm, yes. 

684
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,360
And. 
It's a little bit wider. 

685
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Well, they're both wide, but 
like you have a lot of outset 

686
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,080
fraction there. 
I feel like if the if you're 

687
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,640
looking for the stable option, 
quote UN quote stable, the 

688
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Rocket X2 is probably going to 
be your choice. 

689
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,840
The Hocus Yellow X1 is a very 
interesting shoe. 

690
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,880
I mean, it's a very fun ride and
it's honestly one of the most 

691
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520
responsive and fun things I've 
put on my feet, you know, 

692
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,800
recently. 
But there are some 

693
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,400
considerations to take into 
place if you're going to run a 

694
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,760
marathon in it. 
And just looking at the shoe 

695
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,600
there, that lateral cutouts, 
pretty noticeable immediately 

696
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,639
that I notice on the shoe. 
A lot of times they put a yeah, 

697
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,000
a lot of times they put a cut 
out in and it's like OK, I 

698
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,960
didn't really notice it much and
it shaved weight off, but I will

699
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,360
say so the CLX one, very sharp 
rocker, very responsive, 2 layer

700
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,159
PBA midsole. 
I mean this shoe is definitely a

701
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,199
contender when it comes to 
racing shoes, but the one thing 

702
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,520
that I notice immediately is 
that lateral cut out. 

703
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,000
And so if you're running on a 
road that has some camber on it 

704
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,200
or you're having to like, turn 
on it, there's a couple moments 

705
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,400
where like, I have a little bit 
of a divity motion on my ankle 

706
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,880
where it's like that was a 
little bit more than I wanted 

707
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,160
to. 
That felt like it could have 

708
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,840
been a sprain if I'm not 
watching my feet, you know? 

709
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,280
And I'm not going to say that 
makes the shoe not a contender 

710
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,080
because it just depends on the 
course. 

711
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,440
Now, if I'm running a very well 
groomed, flat, you know, 

712
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,720
predictable surface footing, I 
do like this Yellow X1's 

713
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,680
responsiveness and I like the 
Rockford Ride. 

714
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680
I think I can fall into rhythm 
on it pretty well. 

715
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,680
I'm going to choose that shoe 
for the marathon, but if I'm 

716
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,320
turning a bunch and I'm needing 
to watch my footing a little bit

717
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,520
more, or maybe I'm in a maybe 
it's a even the field you're in.

718
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,920
Maybe like in this race, I'm not
going to have that many bodies 

719
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,000
around me in this race. 
I'm going to have masses around 

720
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360
me. 
Then I might choose the Rocket 

721
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,720
X2 if I know I'm going to have 
to be watching my steps more and

722
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,760
I'm going to have to kind of 
navigate turns or who knows. 

723
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,240
Some of these races do change 
footing where it's road and you 

724
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,920
have a little bit of a dirt 
section or a gravelly section or

725
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,520
whatever, you know. 
Or are you making a lot of U 

726
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,280
turns? 
If I'm doing a lot of tiptoeing,

727
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,840
I'm probably going to choose the
Rocket X2, but if it's a pretty 

728
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,280
well groomed course, I'm 
probably going to choose CLOX 

729
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,920
One. 
Does that answer the question? 

730
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,120
That totally answers it. 
So actually I totally agree with

731
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,160
you on that and this. 
My experience with the Rocket X2

732
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
is I actually prefer it for 
shorter distances. 

733
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,080
So I think up to like 1/2 
marathon is where I would 

734
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,080
consider it. 
Your take on it being stable, 

735
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,800
it's definitely one of my more 
stable. 

736
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,600
It's like 1 if not the most 
stable of the Super shoes for 

737
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,840
2023. 
And I said that in a stable, 

738
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,000
like a stable racing shoe video 
that I did. 

739
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,440
I really agree. 
I met one of the most memorable 

740
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,080
things that I used this for was 
when we first got it. 

741
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,320
There was the Orange County 
Heart Run 5K that was down at 

742
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,600
the Angel Stadium and the race 
actually went through Angel 

743
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,320
Stadium. 
Like it went like quick turns, 

744
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,440
like through, not through the 
stands, but through like the 

745
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,560
back parts where you're walking 
up and down, lots of quick 

746
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960
turns. 
The very end you end up going on

747
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,880
the actual dirt and on the 
field. 

748
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,240
And I was like, I am so happy 
because I was trying to choose 

749
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,720
between that and the Vapor Fly 
three. 

750
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,840
And I was like, I'm so happy I 
chose the Rocket X2 because the 

751
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,640
sidewalls, the wider base, the 
geometry just made it so much 

752
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,800
more stable. 
The one thing is, though, it 

753
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,240
does feel a lot lower than a 5mm
drop, even though it is, because

754
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,160
it feels like like you're almost
like like an Earth shoe type. 

755
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,520
Just the fore foot just feels 
stiff enough, which feels great,

756
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,360
running fast but running a 
little slower, kind of getting 

757
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,720
over that can get a little bit 
old when you've been doing that 

758
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,600
for a while. 
So that's where this yellow X1, 

759
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,000
I've had the same experience as 
you. 

760
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,720
It's like really bouncy, really 
Rockard, the lateral, the whole 

761
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,800
bias at the mid foot obviously 
doesn't doesn't bother me as 

762
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,720
much as someone who needs that a
little bit more of that. 

763
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,560
However, again, same thing for 
anything with like unstable 

764
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,240
terrain. 
I absolutely would not use it 

765
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,320
just because it's not. 
It doesn't have the same kind of

766
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,320
low, not low to the ground, 
isn't the right turn, but a 

767
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,720
little bit more. 
The the Rocket X2 is relatively 

768
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:04,120
more stable and grounded. 
So I would take this yellow Rd.,

769
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,480
this yellow X1. 
Oh my gosh, people, I need to 

770
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,640
sleep more. 
The CLX one would definitely be 

771
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,400
my choice for Marathon. 
I've got a ton of miles on this 

772
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,000
thing right now, and it's doing 
really, really good. 

773
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,800
It's it's not the light issue. 
But that's also why, again, that

774
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,480
bounciness the rocker makes it 
better for me for a marathon 

775
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,480
shoe in the Rocket X2. 
For shorter stuff. 

776
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,560
All right, we're going to do 
some training stuff. 

777
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,440
So a six. 
The new Cumulus and Nimbus 

778
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,520
series just came out in version 
26 for training. 

779
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,800
Which one, David, would you 
choose? 

780
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
The Nimbus or the Cumulus with 
the newest versions? 

781
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,200
So I think I'm actually going to
defer to you on this one. 

782
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,760
I reviewed the Nimbus 26, but I 
I received a pair of the Cumulus

783
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,760
26. 
But as of right now with how we 

784
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,400
have staggered our reviews, I 
have yet to run in the Cumulus 

785
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,040
26. 
I've been focusing on other 

786
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,160
reviews, so it feels nice. 
I've worn it, you know. 

787
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,160
I I don't mind, you know, 
rubberized Dva outsoles. 

788
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,680
But I can't speak for its 
experience on the run. 

789
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,720
Yep, so I'll speak to that. 
So I I like both of them. 

790
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,560
The Nimbus 25 was such a massive
change, not the Nimbus. 

791
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,360
The Cumulus 25 was such a big 
change that I the softer foam. 

792
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,920
It felt very different, very 
light. 

793
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,200
The newest version stays light, 
but it changed a lot of things 

794
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,160
in terms of the soul now feels 
firmer, much more rocker. 

795
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,200
There's a lot of toast spring, 
so that's what's really 

796
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,880
bothering me right now is the 
amount of toast spring. 

797
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,840
Spring makes the shoe feel 
shorter than it really is, and 

798
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920
so I've gotten some running but 
no chafing yet. 

799
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,320
The one thing about this is it 
does feel good for up tempo 

800
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,000
stuff. 
The slightly firmer ride, the 

801
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
cleaned up heel where it 
transitions a lot better, does 

802
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,280
feel much better for running a 
little bit quicker. 

803
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,760
But in terms of just pure 
comfort and training, the Nimbus

804
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,800
20 Five is going to win out just
the amount of outsole coverage. 

805
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,600
It's got better durability 
ASICS, I know you wanted the 

806
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,320
fluid ride to be better, have 
better durability, but I'm still

807
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,240
chewing through the outsole and 
honestly I I kind of prefer the 

808
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,200
25. 
The version 26 of the Nimbus 

809
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,480
like to me fix a lot of the four
foot fit and taper that did a 

810
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,680
lot better and I've really 
enjoyed miles on it. 

811
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,560
It's not meant for faster stuff 
when it comes for just getting 

812
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,440
daily training miles, the Nimbus
to me is the the winner of this 

813
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,240
stuff. 
But if you wanted something into

814
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,240
with a little more versatility 
and speed, the Cumulus might be 

815
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,800
better. 
But for me the the Nimbus 26 was

816
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,360
is the winner of this one if you
just getting clomping on miles 

817
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,720
there. 
All right. 

818
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Any other shoe ones you want to 
throw in? 

819
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160
Because we're going to do a 
couple of viewer questions. 

820
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,440
I mean I would be curious to 
hear your thoughts on the 

821
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,880
experience. 
I mean we can make it quick, but

822
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640
just because I forgot about it 
earlier and I I feel bad about 

823
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,360
forgetting it. 
So I do want to revisit it 

824
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,200
because I do really like this 
shoe is the rebellion flash two 

825
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,760
and the endorphins speed 4. 
When, where? 

826
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Why would you choose one shoe 
over the other one? 

827
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,560
And would you choose one shoe 
over the other one in all 

828
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,440
scenarios? 
I think for me right now, based 

829
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,800
on the fit and comfort I'd 
probably I would choose the 

830
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,840
endorphins speed for pretty much
over everything. 

831
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,200
I think the Rebellion Flash Two 
has a lot more potential. 

832
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,960
It is how much better than 
Rebellion Flash one which was 

833
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,280
stiff, clunky and almost like 
hurt my feet. 

834
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Flash Two is much better. 
I just think I'm having a little

835
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,760
trouble with that upper that 
kind of fits almost ironically 

836
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,480
like the original Rebellion Pro 
and the Repellion Pro 2A little 

837
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
bit where it's just fitting a 
little bit short and causing a 

838
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
little extra rubbing. 
That does go away, but it just 

839
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,280
makes me concerned in limits, 
stability for long runs. 

840
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,920
So I personally would choose the
Speed Four. 

841
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,720
However, I will give it that. 
The Flash Two does feel a little

842
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,000
bit more snappy. 
The Speed Four has a lot more 

843
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,520
bounce and I really, really like
that. 

844
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,720
But if you don't like that and 
you want a little more snap 

845
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,960
under foot, that's where the 
Flash Two has that a little bit 

846
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,720
better. 
It's also a little bit more 

847
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,760
trainer like I think the Speed 4
leans a little bit into that 

848
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,240
faster stuff. 
The Flash 2 just kind of feels a

849
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,480
little more solid just because 
it's not a full PBA foam 

850
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,560
midsole. 
So I think those who maybe don't

851
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640
want that much bout and want 
bounce and want something a 

852
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,040
little more grounded, that being
relative given the high stack 

853
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,880
might do a little better than 
the Flash too. 

854
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,440
But I'm picking the rebellion or
not The rebellion. 

855
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Yeah, the rebellion Speed 4, The
endorphin speed 4 over it. 

856
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,960
Yeah, I think that's a fair 
take. 

857
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,720
I actually don't mind the upper 
lockdown. 

858
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,480
It kind of has that strike like 
that track spiky kind of 

859
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,080
lockdown, very snug. 
It does have some remnants of 

860
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,000
the Rebellion Pro One, and I 
feel like the ride has some 

861
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,040
resemblance of the Rebellion Pro
One as well. 

862
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,520
It's kind of like that highly 
Rockard. 

863
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,800
They have that new midsole 
Energy light plus that they put 

864
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,000
on top, very bouncy, very 
responsive. 

865
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,440
The nylon plate does have a 
little bit of flex to it, but 

866
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,000
you're looking at a very Rockard
ride where it's kind of pitching

867
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,320
you forward and it kind of wants
you to stay in rhythm there. 

868
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,680
If we're looking at a well 
groomed road race half marathon 

869
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,280
up, if I'm choosing between the 
two, that might be an 

870
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,360
opportunity where I might choose
the rebellion flash to over the 

871
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,200
speed for I feel like it works 
well for my mechanics. 

872
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,960
It really lets me get my legs 
underneath me and I can kind of 

873
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,520
fall in rhythm there. 
And I know I kind of said that 

874
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,280
about the Mach X where it was 
kind of the thing I didn't like,

875
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,440
but it what the Mock X didn't 
have in responsiveness, 

876
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,400
Rebellion Flash does, I feel 
like where it feels like I could

877
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,480
potentially race in the shoe if 
I wanted to. 

878
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,840
So that is where I would 
probably choose a Rebellion 

879
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,440
Flash to. 
Now with that in mind, if 

880
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,640
there's any kind of like major 
changes in direction, whatever 

881
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,560
kind of race, like I think the 
versatility speaks larger on the

882
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,560
Speed 4 and obviously traction. 
We didn't talk about it earlier.

883
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
I have taken the Speed for 
through some trails. 

884
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,720
It did fine, surprisingly fine 
and it did pretty good. 

885
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,480
It's like it's actually a pretty
sticky outsole. 

886
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,960
So I actually have some fun with
that shoe. 

887
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,440
So I think if I'm really. 
Yeah, if you come out with the 

888
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,560
endorphin speed for TR, you have
to send it to David. 

889
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,920
He has to test that it's got AI 
know you do that with someone 

890
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,400
like the Soccer Me Ride and the 
Guide, but you got to do ATR for

891
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,280
the speed for it. 
But yeah, I thought. 

892
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,720
For sure. 
Put it through its faces. 

893
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,400
Yeah. 
All right. 

894
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,720
So this is basically like socket
endorphins, speed for or against

895
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,760
everything else in terms of 
performance trainers and things 

896
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,800
like that today. 
But we're going to move on to 

897
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,880
some viewer questions. 
There's actually some good ones.

898
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,240
I'm really curious with this 
one. 

899
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,200
So the first one is from 
Matthiah. 

900
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,760
Which running in the cold or 
running in the rain? 

901
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,280
Which one do you choose and what
do you do for your choice? 

902
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,280
I feel. 
Like would you go run outside 

903
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,680
now? 
Yeah, yeah, I I feel like this 

904
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,240
shoe or this shoe? 
This. 

905
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,000
This. 
Jesus, I need more sleep too. 

906
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:03,040
If if this being on the West 
Coast and both of us being from 

907
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,040
the West, I know Oregon is 
colder than California. 

908
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,360
I'm more used to it, yeah. 
We don't know. 

909
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Cold, cold. 
We haven't run in that like zero

910
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,480
ish degrees, you know, 
everything's freezing around you

911
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,360
temperatures, so. 
Yeah, even in Oregon, like the 

912
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,040
worst it gets to like sometimes 
you'll see a little colder up in

913
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,600
the mountains where I kind of 
grew up. 

914
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,800
But like worst you get is like 
20°, which for those who are on 

915
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,440
the East Coast and Midwest are 
like, are you, are you serious? 

916
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,160
That's like a hot temperature. 
It like during, you know spring 

917
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,720
or whatever. 
So yeah, that's that's a 

918
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:37,760
relative. 
But anyway. 

919
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,720
Keep going. 
So prefacing that cold for me is

920
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:45,200
about 30 ish degrees, like 35 
probably. 

921
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,560
You know, like if I'm thinking 
like, OK, it's cold cold, you 

922
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,920
know what I mean? 
Like I mean normal. 

923
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,360
Maybe that should be? 
4550, probably. 

924
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,480
And then, like, that's a healthy
amount of cold. 

925
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,440
But I could still wear a short 
sleeve if I wanted to. 

926
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,240
I think like cold for here, 
about as cold as it gets, is 

927
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:11,680
about freezing, you know? 
So give or take 30 and then rain

928
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
any temperature, right? 
So choosing between the cold and

929
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,800
the rain, I I think I'm going to
choose the cold. 

930
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,120
I don't mind running in the 
rain, but it's the running in 

931
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,360
the rain without any temperature
dependence. 

932
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,160
When you're running in a warmer 
rain and it's humid out and it 

933
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,480
doesn't feel very good and 
you're sticky and you're kind of

934
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,560
trying to stay dry, like that 
doesn't feel very good. 

935
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,320
If it's kind of like a light 
rain and you just put a like a 

936
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,920
little windbreaker on and you go
out there and you get your miles

937
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,520
and that's fine. 
You know, like, I think that's 

938
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,160
kind of more like your organ 
rain, right? 

939
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,280
That's not too bad, but I think 
if I had to choose between the 

940
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,760
two, I could just wear a long 
sleeve and some tights and maybe

941
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,280
some gloves and a beanie if I 
really had to, and be fine in 

942
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,600
the cold. 
I'm actually going to have to 

943
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,560
agree with you on this. 
If we're not, if we're not, 

944
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,080
putting in specific 
temperatures. 

945
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Wet rise with rain. 
Running in cold rain sucks 

946
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,760
because then you've got not only
you getting wet, but then you're

947
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,240
all starting to lose heat and 
energy just because it's so cold

948
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:14,960
outside. 
And if I combine with the rain, 

949
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,240
those together are really rough,
warm rain. 

950
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,640
I absolutely love. 
Like summers and spring in 

951
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,840
Oregon are phenomenal when it 
rains because like, yeah, like I

952
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,880
will shower afterwards, but you 
don't really have to because 

953
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,320
you're like, you're getting 
cleaned off. 

954
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,920
It's like the air is that much 
cleaner. 

955
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,400
It's so much, it's already 
clean. 

956
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,560
But a warm rain and my I love 
those because you don't you. 

957
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Can't wear jackets running in 
that Hawaii rain. 

958
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:41,400
That Hawaii is different because
you have like 1000% humidity. 

959
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,960
That's not, I'm talking Oregon. 
But like, yeah, I guess if it's 

960
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,880
super humid, uncomfortable, that
makes sense. 

961
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,920
But because the temperature is 
such a big factor with rain, I'm

962
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,160
going to go with running in the 
cold because like David said, 

963
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,040
you don't necessarily have to 
have a really special rain 

964
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,320
jacket or something like that. 
And it's not temperature 

965
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,400
dependent. 
You just need some solid gloves 

966
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,640
and usually you're going to warm
up. 

967
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,240
And again, David and I, our 
definition of cold might be a 

968
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,000
little different if you're 
talking to maybe Nathan, who 

969
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,360
comes on here, lives in 
Wisconsin, or Andreo, who's on 

970
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,560
the East Coast, and they're 
going to experience or I guess 

971
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,280
BJ, right, because sometimes 
Texas gets super cold, too. 

972
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Oregon doesn't typically get 
that cold, even with our recent 

973
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,160
ice storm, and California 
certainly doesn't unless you're 

974
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,360
up near Big Bear or in the 
mountains. 

975
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,200
So I'm going to have to choose 
running in the cold just because

976
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,840
I feel like it's easier to stay 
warm without the factor of rain.

977
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,680
And the way I do it is gloves 
are some of the most important 

978
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,440
things for me because my hands 
one of the first things that 

979
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,520
gets cold. 
I've had somebody suggest to me 

980
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,960
that potentially I might have 
some Raynaud's just because my 

981
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,800
hands in the cold have always 
changed colors and it's very 

982
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,800
difficult for me to keep my 
extremities warm. 

983
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,840
I probably don't and I'm 
probably self diagnosing 

984
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,240
incorrectly, so I shouldn't do 
that. 

985
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,720
But yeah, my extremities tend to
get cold really quick. 

986
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:58,400
So having those layers warm, 
socks and gloves are a must have

987
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,920
in the winter. 
That's like what I ask my wife 

988
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,920
frequently is hey, for holidays.
If it's if we're going somewhere

989
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,760
cold, can you please get me 
gloves just because that really,

990
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,800
really fixed it for rain when if
normal temperature is not cold. 

991
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,480
I know I pick running in the 
cold. 

992
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,560
I my favorite weather, by the 
way, is running in cold sunny 

993
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,160
weather. 
I absolutely love that. 

994
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,560
When it comes to running in rain
you have to have the right gear.

995
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,840
If you if it's the right 
temperature, you really don't. 

996
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,920
You could. 
You just have to get through the

997
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,200
first couple minutes and just 
accept you're going to get wet. 

998
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,800
Because no matter what you 
choose, I've run in plenty of 

999
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,720
waterproof stuff and you still 
get wet at the end. 

1000
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,040
So it's just getting to the 
first like 10 to 15 minutes. 

1001
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,600
And then once you're there and 
you're soaked, you're like, all 

1002
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,760
right, now I'm used to this. 
Now I can keep going. 

1003
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,720
It just kind of stinks what you 
get home. 

1004
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:47,040
But having good gear can be 
helpful. 

1005
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,040
I've just found that even like, 
gore tech, stuff like that still

1006
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,880
doesn't protect me and I'm going
to get wet. 

1007
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,640
So the biggest thing to do for 
that is just accept you're going

1008
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
to get soaked and deal with the 
first few minutes. 

1009
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,600
But at least, like with running 
in the cold, you can stay warm. 

1010
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,000
So that's kind of why I prefer 
it, but I don't have a problem 

1011
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,320
running in the rain, the rain, 
the rain. 

1012
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,320
Unlike my wife, like right now 
Southern California is getting 

1013
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,640
this supposed storm. 
It like it rained hard for 

1014
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,200
David. 
It's not raining very hard where

1015
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,280
I am in Monrovia and I would go 
out for a run right now if I 

1016
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,600
didn't run 13 1/2 this morning 
with a stroller. 

1017
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,840
So does bother me. 
All right, so hopefully that 

1018
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,920
answers that Michael's the next 
one who says Pacers or no Pacers

1019
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,360
in races. 
And I have not run in anything 

1020
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,920
fast enough, even when I ran in 
elite field in LA to have this. 

1021
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,480
So David, I'm going to defer 
this to you. 

1022
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880
What do you think Pacers are? 
No Pacers in races. 

1023
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,080
It's a very interesting 
question, I think, man. 

1024
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,640
I think it depends on what the 
goal is and whether or not you 

1025
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:51,440
are in a position like if the 
pacer is set for you, then it 

1026
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,360
can be very good for you. 
If the pacer is not set for you,

1027
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,200
that can be a very, very 
different story, right? 

1028
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,400
And also depends on how 
experienced the pacer is and how

1029
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,240
they go about it. 
I mean, how many times have you 

1030
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,440
watched a track 5K. 
And then the pacer pulls away 

1031
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,040
from the field and is looking 
under their shoulder and they're

1032
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,960
just like I'm running what was 
assigned guys, you know, like 

1033
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,880
like where are you guys? 
I'm not. 

1034
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,320
I'm trying to do my job here and
none of you guys are coming with

1035
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,840
me. 
And that happens a little less 

1036
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,720
in the marathon, but it can or 
half marathon, but it can still 

1037
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:32,160
happen. 
And a lot of times you see 

1038
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,440
people kind of going around the 
Pacers and I don't know, I I 

1039
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,600
feel like there's a place for 
them and I feel like there's a 

1040
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,160
place without them. 
I do think like would Elliott 

1041
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Kipchoge have run under 2 
minutes without the giant army 

1042
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,120
of Pacers on that day? 
2 hours Probably not. 

1043
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,280
Wait, what? 
I say. 2 minutes. 

1044
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:50,840
Yeah. 
Fast over 2. 

1045
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,800
Minutes. 
He ran faster than a 2 minute 

1046
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,320
marathon. 
My goodness, we are both on. 

1047
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,160
We're we're both hanging on by a
thread. 

1048
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,320
Also not. 
Miles per kilometer or is that? 

1049
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,520
But like, he probably wouldn't 
have, right? 

1050
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Like, I don't, I don't know, but
miles per kilometer, that dude's

1051
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,800
mindset is crazy. 
You know, maybe he would have 

1052
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,440
still done it. 
But I think mentally the Pacers 

1053
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,680
do take that load off. 
If you can just be like, I just 

1054
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,640
run with them, that is my only 
job. 

1055
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,840
If I just stay with them, I will
run a good time. 

1056
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,680
I will run the time that they 
are setting the pace at and at 

1057
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,720
some point they might pull off. 
Then it's up to me. 

1058
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,960
But from a mental standpoint, it
makes it a lot easier on you. 

1059
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,120
And I can say the same thing on 
the track. 

1060
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,040
I have had Pacers on the track 
before in various races, whether

1061
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,200
it's a 1500 or 5K or something. 
And like if you know like, hey, 

1062
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,200
they're just going to go around 
70s, OK, just go run with them. 

1063
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,000
You don't like, you'll be fine. 
Or in the 15, a little quicker 

1064
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,320
than that. 
But it depends on the experience

1065
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,800
of the person as well because 
they are also human. 

1066
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,200
And if they're yo yoing like 
let's say the pace, I'll just 

1067
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,880
make it a different pace. 
Let's just say you're in a pace 

1068
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,560
group and they say 7 minutes per
mile and they're yo yoing 

1069
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,280
somewhere between 6:40 and 7:20,
but the average is still around 

1070
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,120
7:00. 
Depending on how experienced you

1071
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,840
are with that pace change that 
can that that can impact you, 

1072
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,120
right? 
Like those swings can really 

1073
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,160
play with you if you're not used
to that. 

1074
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,520
And so I I think there's just a 
time and place and I think it 

1075
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,040
depends on where you are in your
own fitness and how comfortable 

1076
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,240
you are with having someone else
dictate the pace for you. 

1077
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,280
Because some people aren't going
to want that and they're going 

1078
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,280
to want to go run and execute 
their own race. 

1079
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,760
They'll rely on their own watch,
their own splits. 

1080
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,480
And that's going to be much 
better for them, you know, and 

1081
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,080
and regardless of what the pace 
says and you can finish right 

1082
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,160
next to that pacer at the very 
end and the pace could have 

1083
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,000
worked out perfectly and you 
guys could have been not at the 

1084
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,440
same place for most of the race.
Like that can still happen. 

1085
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,280
So I think from a racing 
standpoint, if you're truly 

1086
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,760
racing, it's almost nice to not 
have the pacer. 

1087
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,320
But if it's more of a time trial
set up and you're just trying to

1088
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,280
get a time, it can be a really 
nice thing to have, assuming 

1089
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,480
they're doing a decent job. 
This is ironic that I've not 

1090
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,600
ever had to use a Pacer, but 
I've actually been a Pacer. 

1091
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,760
So I have paced the CIM Women's 
Elite field for 2:45. 

1092
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,160
Several years ago actually, when
I just met my wife and she 

1093
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,480
actually qualified in the same 
race, although she was ahead of 

1094
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800
me because I was supposed to run
245. 

1095
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,280
So I think and like all of our 
training, I've been her rabbit 

1096
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,960
and pacer so I can, I can 
understand it for myself. 

1097
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,240
It gets in the way, like I want 
to be able to run my own race. 

1098
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,120
I think if I'm focusing on 
somebody else, it could. 

1099
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,920
It's just not something I've 
ever done because I've done so 

1100
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,720
much training by myself, but I 
can def. 

1101
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,960
Having been a Pacer, I can 
definitely see how it'd be 

1102
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,040
helpful, and I I think I prefer 
being a pacer than having one, 

1103
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,000
if that makes sense. 
Yeah, and you can get a little 

1104
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,120
antsy sometimes behind a pacer 
where it's almost like like if 

1105
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,480
the pack is running. 
And that's the thing with racing

1106
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,040
in general. 
Like most of the time, if you're

1107
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:06,280
not running 2O one in the 
marathon, like the the race is 

1108
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,800
going to be the race and 
everyone's going to kind of make

1109
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,000
the pace happen and there will 
be some push and pull and 

1110
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,360
they'll be kind of a natural 
pack that kind of makes it 

1111
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,760
happen. 
I feel like for most races you 

1112
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,600
don't really need one. 
If you're Kelvin, Kip, Tom. 

1113
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,200
I mean, there's only so many 
guys that can actually run that 

1114
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,720
pace, right? 
Like, so like maybe it's a 

1115
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,400
little bit more important there.
But I think there is a much more

1116
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
humble answer at the root of 
this where it's like, I don't 

1117
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,520
think most people on this planet
are fast enough to truly justify

1118
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,640
having a pacer there where it's 
like, are you on the Diamond 

1119
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,160
League circuit? 
OK, maybe you need one. 

1120
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Maybe It's nice to have that, 
take the load off of everyone 

1121
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,000
and just follow that guy and 
then go to race in the 

1122
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,600
second-half. 
But I'm not running a 328-1500 

1123
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,640
or A1255K, right? 
Like most people aren't in that 

1124
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,160
category, so. 
Yeah, that's fair. 

1125
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,000
I still rather be one than have 
one, but that's me, all right? 

1126
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,680
Robert asked the hot topic of 
the night. 

1127
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,440
I've been looking at this all 
the whole time, so Robert's 

1128
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,640
asking. 
Medial posts or sidewalls slash 

1129
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,000
guide rails. 
We're going to include those 

1130
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,880
things, Two things together. 
You want to go first on this? 

1131
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,440
You want me to go first on this?
Yeah, I mean this could take a 

1132
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,600
minute. 
I I I'll make it quick. 

1133
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,680
I think it's just a personal 
preference on this one. 

1134
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,840
Some people do like having that 
input of the medial post where 

1135
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,080
you feel it there and by feeling
it there you feel good about it.

1136
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,360
Maybe your mechanics like it 
just works for you, having that 

1137
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:40,480
proprioceptive input there. 
I have never really loved medial

1138
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,800
posts. 
I there's been a couple shoes 

1139
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,360
that have been OK with them, but
Saucony Guide has been OK. 

1140
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,480
You know, like some of some of 
the stability shoes have been 

1141
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,440
all right. 
But I feel like for the most 

1142
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,960
part, the sidewall guide rail 
kind of setup has just worked 

1143
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,280
for me personally a little bit 
more, having a little bit more 

1144
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,400
guidance. 
Granted, I tend to prefer more 

1145
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,920
neutral shoes in general, so by 
having some guidance, but it's 

1146
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,920
not like jamming into my foot. 
It seems to work pretty well for

1147
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,440
me. 
So that is a completely outside 

1148
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,240
of a what is quote UN quote more
stable argument. 

1149
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,760
Whatever, just personally 
answering the question. 

1150
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,640
Mutual poster sidewalls slash 
guide rails for me. 

1151
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,440
I'm going to probably learn more
towards the side walls and guide

1152
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,720
rails. 
So Robert, I'm going to try to 

1153
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,960
answer something you didn't ask 
because somebody actually asked 

1154
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,400
this of me on YouTube somewhere 
recently and it was like, do I 

1155
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,800
dislike media posts? 
And the answer is no. 

1156
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,760
I think both of them have an 
important place. 

1157
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,240
The reason I've been talking 
about side walls, side wall, 

1158
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,600
side gosh, side walls and guide 
rails for so long is that having

1159
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,960
options is really important. 
If you only have one thing on 

1160
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,800
the market, which years ago you 
only had medial posts of various

1161
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,400
portions, most of them were in 
the mid foot or the heel. 

1162
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Or if you had the GT, I think it
was GT 3000 or 4000. 

1163
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,200
I can't remember which one it 
was from a six that actually had

1164
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,120
a medial post that went all the 
way into the four foot. 

1165
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,680
That's different. 
I know the Rahi has had a full 

1166
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,360
length post for forever, but the
goal was the Mike talking about 

1167
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,480
this wasn't that. 
I didn't think medial post 

1168
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,280
worked for people. 
I think for certain people it is

1169
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,600
a mechanism that can be very, 
very helpful. 

1170
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,320
Again, who it's helpful for is a
is a different story. 

1171
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,560
I think it's a very small group 
of people that need medial 

1172
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,800
support specific for those with 
a history of pronation related 

1173
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,840
injuries or just find them find 
that pressure really comfortable

1174
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,600
from like maybe a proprioceptive
of kinesthetic input. 

1175
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,960
I am with David where for the 
longest time one of the reasons 

1176
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,480
I started this website as I was 
like hey, I'm I was told and I 

1177
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,320
worked at running stores and I 
was like I'm looking at my 

1178
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,360
mechanics and the thing that I 
was taught is I should be in 

1179
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,680
this media post instability shoe
and a lot of these things aren't

1180
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,240
working for me. 
The the light stability shoes 

1181
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,720
all worked really, really well 
and a lot of them had posts but 

1182
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,240
it was just mild enough they did
just enough and didn't get in 

1183
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,600
the way. 
A lot of them also had like 

1184
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,760
early versions of sidewalls and 
things like that because those 

1185
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,520
have been around forever. 
That also worked and I found 

1186
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,360
that having guidance works a lot
better for my mechanics 

1187
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,600
personally than having a medial 
post. 

1188
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,800
I've done well in shoes with 
both, but the side walls and 

1189
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,040
guide rails concept also works a
lot better for my mechanics 

1190
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,280
because and I don't like having 
something pushed into my foot. 

1191
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,200
Some people really like that. 
I'm not as big a fan of that. 

1192
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,800
I just want to be able to run 
and feel something stable under 

1193
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
foot without having pressure 
there. 

1194
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:38,160
So for me personally, sidewalls 
and guide rails work better as 

1195
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,920
an individual, but I don't want 
anybody to take what David and I

1196
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,880
said to be like, Oh well, media 
posts don't work. 

1197
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,880
They they work great for certain
people and I want to emphasize 

1198
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,080
that we still need this in the 
running world. 

1199
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,600
It's OK to have immediately 
posted shoe. 

1200
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,040
I think it's also good to have 
some options to create the 

1201
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,400
stable neutral concept or 
stability through side walls and

1202
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,720
guide rolls. 
That's also fine. 

1203
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,880
I think also it'd be great to 
have a little bit more wedge 

1204
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,800
stuff. 
The New Balance of Vongo series 

1205
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,760
was like one of the few wedge 
shoes out there. 

1206
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,520
I am curious because I'm going 
to be totally wrong on this, but

1207
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,480
it almost looks like the new 
Hurricane from soccer team might

1208
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,920
have some of those concept, but 
I might be totally wrong. 

1209
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,800
The Vongo changed and it doesn't
have that wedge concept that 

1210
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,560
worked really, really well for 
people on the wedge isn't a 

1211
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,680
medial post, it's it's that 
concept. 

1212
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,640
But your foot is kind of held in
an inverted position and some 

1213
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,800
people, just because of Varus 
and Valgus positioning of their 

1214
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,880
foot, work better with that. 
But again, personally, the side 

1215
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,000
walls guide rules work better. 
But that doesn't mean we should 

1216
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,840
get rid of it means we should 
make sure that we have options 

1217
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,200
for people out there. 
Because if you take one thing 

1218
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,080
away then you you've left a 
group going, I have something 

1219
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,200
I'm looking for where can I find
it? 

1220
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,600
So New Balance, I know the eight
60s coming out this year. 

1221
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,720
I'm not telling you to get rid 
of that post because it actually

1222
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,400
worked really well for a lot of 
people. 

1223
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,640
If you could light that shoe up 
though, that would be great, 

1224
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,760
like you've done with the other 
stuff. 

1225
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,520
But yeah, Robert, that was a 
really long, long winded answer.

1226
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,520
I hope that that answer that 
we're going to do one more 

1227
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,480
question that this actually 
might cause the most serious 

1228
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,280
controversy of this entire 
episode and it's going to be our

1229
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,600
final question. 
David, this or that? 

1230
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Pancakes or waffles? 
I'm gonna go waffles. 

1231
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,720
I guess there's no argument on 
this. 

1232
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:24,960
Yeah, I'm definitely like. 
Waffles. 

1233
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,800
I'm gonna go waffles. 
I have a waffle maker. 

1234
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:27,440
Waffles. 
Waffles. 

1235
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,000
This morning. 
Yeah. 

1236
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,360
I sent you a picture of my 
waffles. 

1237
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:30,800
Yeah, I know. 
I have waffles. 

1238
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,360
I have a waffle maker, too. 
I put like, I actually make 

1239
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,200
waffles. 
I make egg waffles. 

1240
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,920
I put like bread in it. 
Like, I put all kinds of stuff. 

1241
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,840
I put made a cheese waffle the 
other day. 

1242
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,800
It was phenomenal. 
So yeah, waffles, hands down. 

1243
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,520
Yeah. 
So yeah, I just wanted cheese 

1244
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,480
and I wanted a waffle. 
And so I made a waffle. 

1245
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:48,920
I. 
Mean. 

1246
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,680
If you made it this far into the
episode, I would love to see a 

1247
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,360
second subjective there and just
see pancakes or waffles. 

1248
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,240
I want to see the war. 
I want to see the if you. 

1249
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,320
Listen to us. 
I want to see the comment 

1250
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,200
multiple times versus waffles 
I'm invested in. 

1251
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,160
Mispronounce basic words because
we're exhausted. 

1252
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,600
If you made it this far, let us 
know. 

1253
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,880
Pancakes or waffles? 
And yeah, so. 

1254
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,320
Can Elliott Kipchoge run the 
marathon in under 2 minutes? 

1255
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,600
And is it pancakes or waffles? 
And is it pancakes or waffles? 

1256
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,480
Well also was the post trials 
like what do you think about the

1257
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,640
shoe stuff and but yeah it's a 
long a long week. 

1258
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,280
So we hope you enjoyed that off 
the rails episode of this or 

1259
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,840
that comparing a lot of stuff to
the endorphin speed for and some

1260
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,400
other random topics and also the
posting and stability concept 

1261
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,600
thing that of course went super 
long on. 

1262
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,040
We always have these coming out 
usually Wednesday and Sunday is 

1263
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,680
where these get dropped. 
We're going to have a couple 

1264
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,640
really cool episodes coming out.
We've got some great stuff 

1265
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,560
planned for this year. 
As always, you can catch us on 

1266
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,000
any of the different classic 
social media sites, any of the 

1267
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,360
podcast and YouTube stuff. 
So Spotify, iTunes, all the air 

1268
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,520
you can find if you're listening
to this on YouTube, I'm sorry on

1269
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,440
the audio. 
If you want to see this, we do 

1270
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,080
post these videos to YouTube 
every single week and usually 

1271
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,600
the podcast gets posted on 
Wednesday and then the video 

1272
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,120
gets posted on Sunday. 
We always appreciate any 

1273
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,640
feedback, any ideas and stuff 
you want to talk about too. 

1274
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,920
What you are thinking, what 
you're you're having questions 

1275
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,480
about is what we want to answer.
So always feel free to reach out

1276
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,520
and add stuff. 
We can always do this or that or

1277
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,760
podcast questions. 
Thanks for listening as always. 

1278
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,680
We hope you have a great 
evening, morning or whatever 

1279
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:25,720
time you're listening to this.