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Hey everyone, and welcome to the
Doctors Running podcast where 

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we, a group of doctors in 
physical therapy, talk about the

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part and the science of things 
that we put on our feet. 

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Today. 
It is Doctor Sloss and myself, 

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Matt, we're going to go through 
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And what this is, is we get a 
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on different social media 
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And please keep remember in mind
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pull these together and people 
know this and try to answer some

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questions live to help people 
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can maybe learn something. 
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because he usually knows the 
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But in our in for testing 
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David, what do you have on your 
feet? 

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Yeah, I've got 2 shoes that I'm 
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The first one's a training shoe,
the second one's a racing shoe, 

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and the first version of this 
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lot. 
I just the upper took way too 

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long to break in. 
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It felt really low, like in the 
volume and it almost like 

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borderline hurt my foot, but I 
liked the ride and then once it 

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broke in, it was great. 
But now, you know, putting this 

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shoe on the first time, it 
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So a lot of the things that I 
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first model seemed to be cleaned
up in the second, But that is 

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the diodora cellular 2. 
So kind of AI don't know Rockard

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training shoe, give or take 40 
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And then yeah, it's just a it's 
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bit of mild stability in the 
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Yeah, this kind of a nice just 
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like the first one. 
It kind of felt like a slightly 

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more stable like Bondi type of 
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So if I'm making comparisons to 
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get miles on this, I haven't. 
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week, but we are in like a 
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where I'm just like not going 
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flooding. 
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right now. 
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well for some of the speedier 
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Speed race. 
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when I was in Tokyo earlier this
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The foam is wild. 
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I mean, you got a taste of it in
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Tokyo, but this entire midsole 
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compliant, really bouncy ATPU. 
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specification for a super shoe. 
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the weights like under 5 oz, you
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So feather light, crazy bouncy. 
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full length. 
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I'm curious to know if you feel 
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that. 
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There's a little bit more 
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put a little bit of pressure, 
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little bit. 
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really at all if you go push in 
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Like I didn't find it to be like
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the past, but this is me going 
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I have yet to run in this new 
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But it was. 
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I really thought they were fun 
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now I can get some proper miles 
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Besides some initial impressions
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we're out there. 
So nice. 

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Sweet. 
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What about you? 
What do you got? 

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So we have a couple shoes that 
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episode comes out, the embargo 
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But I just want to give a shout 
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actually maybe turning some 
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training line. 
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episodes we talked about, you 
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company and Adidas, it's just 
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their training line. 
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to turn around. 
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right now and it's been really 
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Very much changed from the last 
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So and again, going to have to 
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things. 
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things for me personally. 
I think everybody else is going 

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to laugh at me and go that's 
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Like that's fine for everybody 
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But yeah, just some, I think 
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there. 
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similar. 
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It's interesting that a lot of 
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compared it and that and 
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to the Bondi and Mac stack 
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I found that shoe to be pretty 
firm under foot and kind of feel

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more traditional, little firmer 
with just a really nice forefoot

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rocker. 
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I think I complained about that 
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The other issue I'm still 
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to have but thank you Marilyn 
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Soccer Tempest 3. 
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these now. 
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Still not the most comfortable 
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Like I did a tempo run in them 
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great. 
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little bit more clunky but doing
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definitely gets becomes much 
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The I'm still running in the not
sock any the ASICS. 

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Why am I blanking out meta speed
Edge, parrot or Tokyo I? 

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Haven't hit the slide different 
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I was like which one has more 
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OK, Edge. 
Yeah, I'm going to slow down for

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a second because I can't talk 
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The ASICS Meta Speed Edge Tokyo,
which I have in my hand, which I

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now officially have 100 miles 
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It's just been a great shoe and 
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at some point, but this just 
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with age. 
It's the the Paris did the same 

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thing where when I was first 
ringing like this is a great 

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shoe, but now that I've gotten 
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way better. 
It's definitely I'm going to 

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probably do a Turkey trot 
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This is going to be on my feet 
unless something crazy shows up 

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in the meantime. 
But it just takes time to break 

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in and it's nice because the 
durability is phenomenal and it 

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means it's actually less, which 
is great also because the price 

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has gone up from the previous 
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So yeah, I am curious to see if 
I don't know if I'll get a 

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chance to test the meta speed 
ray, but I don't know if they 

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just finally only breaking into 
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But I actually didn't let and I 
didn't like to shoot that much 

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when I first tried it, but it's 
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bit. 
The final one, which I've 

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already talked about, which I do
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to is the Hoka Rocketex trail. 
Heck yeah, I just did and I've 

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talked about that. 
We talked about this before, but

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I want to give it another shout 
out again now officially 100 

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miles on this thing. 
I just did my first trail 

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workout where I was pushing the 
guava stroller and though for 

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those who know know the stroller
game that is the more durable 

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stroller that I have that can 
handle trails but and it's 

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heavy. 
I did 3 by 2K yesterday. 

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My legs are trash trying to push
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I'm very thankful I have these. 
I'm also want to say that if for

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those of you that tried this to 
find a little bit short it does 

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breaking with time. 
But I still would not use this 

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for an ultra marathon unless I 
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But man picking up the pace it's
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It is probably the best stable 
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shoe out there. 
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kind of get close. 
This is really the best one if 

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you want to move quick and so 
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Another one I got to get 100 
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similar stuff to be on this last
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Nothing too crazy new that we 
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But what we can talk about is 
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mailbag questions. 
And so the first one we're going

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to talk about. 
Before we get going, I just want

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to put it on the record. 
Yeah, Klein is the one that 

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brought up something that he 
cannot talk about. 

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It wasn't me this time. 
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That's all. 
I. 

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Know the embargo date. 
Yeah, it's fine. 

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Just for once, I'm doing it. 
Yeah. 

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So Nick, Nick is our first 
question asked her and he says 

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when shoe companies cite a drop 
figure like 8mm, is that 

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consistent across all sizes or 
is it specific to a size? 

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If it's a consistent across all 
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is held in by the specific drop,
would that change based on the 

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length of the shoe? 
IEA larger shoe would have a 

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more shallow angle than a 
smaller shoe. 

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Is there research suggesting 
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tend to affect people with 
different size feet differently?

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And I'm going to jump in a 
little bit and then David, I'm 

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going to let you take this. 
There is no research on this. 

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This is just something that, and
I don't think a lot of 

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researchers may be fully aware 
of this. 

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And if there's an article, let 
me know. 

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I'm I may have totally missed it
because I have looked this up 

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before. 
But Nick, yes, you are correct 

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that usually the drop angle is 
measured based on typically 

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men's size 9 from what I 
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And or some companies will just 
average it out, But that actual 

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angle, while the the millimeter 
difference might be similar, the

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angle completely changes 
depending on what size there is.

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And I don't think there's any 
research on how like that that 

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will change with different size 
feet. 

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Nobody's really looked at that. 
But David, take the rest of it. 

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No, I agree. 
I mean, usually when you take a 

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look at specifications and 
measurements, it's usually done 

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off of a sample size and that's 
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Some companies may have two 
different sample sizes. 

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We've seen this with, Oh my 
gosh, why am I blanking? 

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Skechers used to do that, right?
One was nine and one was like 

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10.5 or something. 
And then anyways, you have some 

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companies that will have two 
different sample sizes to work 

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on things just like that to make
sure there's consistency across 

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the different shoe sizes. 
I mean, the angle will change, 

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but sometimes the stack and 
might also have subtle changes 

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as well, right? 
So the changes might not 

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actually be as big as we they 
seem to be when we're kind of 

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wording this out. 
But yeah, I don't know of any 

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data or any sciences out there 
like this is just anecdotal 

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stuff, right, that we're talking
about. 

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But I imagine there's going to 
be slight changes. 

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But I do think with the increase
in size, you will get a little 

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bit of an increase in stack as 
well. 

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You see that a lot across 
different sizes of shoes 

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already. 
You know people are comparing 

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super shoes or whatever now that
people are looking more at stack

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height closer than they used to,
right? 

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So it it would seem 
theoretically that if the stack 

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height was stayed the same, 
which we know just looking at 

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the size of the shoes as they go
from smaller bigger that. 

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That's not the case. 
That's why I think is it it's 

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men's 8 1/2 that World Athletics
measures for stack height. 

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I don't actually. 
Thought it was size 9 and then 

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Nike was like, oh, we're going 
to have the out fly and use an 8

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1/2 to get this under the 40mm, 
but I don't remember. 

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But if I think Nick, if that if 
it's if stack height stayed the 

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same, then yes, theoretically a 
larger foot size would 

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technically have a lower drop 
angle, right? 

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Just because the angle would be 
lower versus a smaller foot if 

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everything was consistent would 
be a higher angle. 

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However, you have to take into 
account that as you're going 

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through that the stack height 
and the sizes you is changing. 

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So we actually don't know. 
It's a very good question that 

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nobody's done research on to my 
knowledge. 

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And that would be an interesting
project. 

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Any of our homies on the product
teams if you're listening. 

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Yeah, you got to know we don't. 
I don't know. 

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Yep, that's a great great 
question. 

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All right, Don asked about a 
specific shoe so she goes. 

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Do you have any suggestions for 
a women's shoe? 

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That hat that is a heel rocker 
only shoe, IE there's No 4 foot 

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rocker. 
Doesn't like toe rockers at all 

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or 4 foot rockers. 
I have a rear I'm a rear mid 

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foot striker and so many shoes 
don't work for me. 

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Also have a narrow and low 
volume foot. 

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I've had issues with so many 
shoes that come up too high. 

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The heel collar comes up way too
high. 

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I'm ankle and and hitting a 
nerve and causing some symptoms.

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I've never had this problem with
older shoes. 

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I've been running since the 70s 
because they all came below my 

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ankle. 
I prefer a heel drop around 6 to

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8mm. 
What do you all think? 

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Yeah, it's a tough one. 
You know, when I think of shoes 

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that have a rounding in the heel
but not much in the forefoot, 

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most of them do tend to be lower
profile shoes, lower in quotes. 

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You know, by today's market 
standard, you're holding up the 

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Hoka Mock 6. 
I do think that like count, I 

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think it counts. 
It's rounded up the. 

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Only problem is it's not 
dramatic, though that's. 

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What I'm kind. 
Of. 

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When you land that one you 
definitely have a little bit of 

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flex to it. 
It feels the least rockered of 

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like the hookah line up. 
That's. 

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That's fair. 
But the one that comes to mind, 

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I think of like the Adidas 
Supernova Rise. 

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You have a lot of rounding in 
the heel, but a flexible and 

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flat 4 foot clients holding it 
up right now. 

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You can just see it, right? 
It's just like not very much 

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rounding up front, but it's 
rounded in the back. 

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So that's kind of like the one 
that I mainly think of. 

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Then another one, a little bit 
of a wild card is is the Nike 

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Pegasus I that one is rounded up
in the back, little more 

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flexible and lower 4 foot. 
It doesn't round quite as much. 

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I think of like your traditional
like high drop trainers. 

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You know, the Mizuno wave riders
changed a little bit. 

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I feel like that used to count, 
but maybe not anymore. 

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The challenge though with these 
is that and the last part, if we

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forgot about talking about 
earlier, she wants something in 

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the like 6 to 8mm drop range, 
right? 

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Which all this stuff 
unfortunately is in the 10:00, 

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not that I mean again drop is 
going to change. 

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What is the Mizuno Hyperion? 
Right. 

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Oh no, Mizuno Hyperion. 
My bad. 

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Brooks, Hyperion. 
The Brooks Hyperion. 

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Because that that. 
Might. 

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I think that's a oh wait, I 
think that's 8. 

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I didn't run in that shoe. 
I couldn't. 

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It was too small for me. 
The volume was low, yeah. 

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You could definitely go half 
size up on that, yeah. 

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But I feel like that could. 
Work. 

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Would the heel? 
Was the heel collar lower? 

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In that shoe, you know what? 
It's higher. 

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It was lower. 
Hyperion 2 is lower, but 

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Hyperion 3 is higher. 
I feel like if you could fire it

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on sale, maybe the Hyperion 2? 
I feel like that'd be a really 

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good. 
Option solid shoe. 

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Yeah, because I remember the 
heel collar was a little bit 

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lower. 
It was like an I think an 8mm 

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drop light. 
No, 4 foot rocker is again, 

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there's the heel rocker really 
isn't there that significantly, 

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but it's low enough you don't 
really need that. 

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Yeah, I'm just sure I will. 
I'm going to violate this. 

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Violated yet? 
Don't do it. 

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Don't do it. 
I haven't tried it, but 

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potentially the new version of 
this might fit that a little bit

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more, but I haven't put it on my
feet yet so and I also haven't 

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gotten it so I don't know. 
But the other shoe I kind of was

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thinking about, interestingly 
enough, was this one, the Arrow 

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blind. 
And the reason I'm thinking 

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about that just because again, 
it's a really nice flexible 

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shoot. 
There is a little rocker here, 

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but it's not that significant. 
And heel collar is a little bit 

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low. 
There's a decent bevel to it 

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felt great for me. 
And it's just a nice simple suit

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is it's got a newer foam a yes, 
but it's just it was nice, 

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didn't get in the way. 
And you know, Don, I totally get

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you. 
I've had a couple shoes recently

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that have really irritated my 
medial lateral malleolus and 

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those those are the bones that 
come out of the side of the 

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ankle, man, when the heel collar
comes up too high on the sides, 

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like it rubs like crazy. 
And yeah, that's the problem is 

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on both sides. 
You have nerves that pass right 

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underneath there on the inner 
side, the tibial nerve on the 

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lateral side, your outer side, 
the fibular nerve that passes 

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right through there. 
And so like, yeah, that's kind 

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of a sensitive area. 
So I'm really not surprised 

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you're having those symptoms. 
But yeah, that's been a 

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challenge recently to find. 
Some I thought of another one 

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but it's it's a little bit 
higher and drop though it's at a

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10 but the Puma magnify Nitro 3 
it's rounded at the heel, not as

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much at the forefoot. 
I wouldn't say it's a great 

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bevel, but it's a decent bevel. 
I would say that's a great 

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option. 
It also doesn't feel like a 10mm

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drop. 
The softness of. 

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Your own, that's what. 
Yeah. 

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It feels closer to like a 7 or 
8, maybe even lower. 

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So, yeah, Don, that might be it 
because the challenge is you're 

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asking for lower drop shoes and 
very frequently a lot of those 

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shoes in that category. 
Probably the exception we were 

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talking about this earlier is 
maybe a lower stack height topo 

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shoe might get away with this, 
but most of those are going to 

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be tall stack height, which then
they have to have a four foot 

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rocker and that's going to 
offset that heel rocker that 

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we're looking for. 
So I think some of the stuff you

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mentioned is good, but you're 
asking for kind of a rare shoe. 

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So hopefully some of those 
options help and try them out 

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and let us know. 
Yeah. 

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And I, I feel like when I think 
about it, like the experience 

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between the Magnify and the Peg,
those kind of fit, you know, the

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peg, I mean, they're different 
midsoles. 

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Like I'm not saying the, but the
general feeling of that flexible

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4 foot and higher drop platform 
fit. 

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So React X and you know, Nitro, 
like Nitro's way softer than the

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React X. 
But the general theme, though, 

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applies, yeah. 
All right, so Pontus as and I 

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hopefully pronounced Pontus name
correctly, are there any good 

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shoes for alleviating pain in 
the flexor jugitorum longus? 

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It's been my weak point for a 
couple years. 

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I'm currently rehabbing from a 
slight injury. 

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Any exercises and stretches to 
strength this muscles are also 

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welcome. 
We're going to try to address 

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one thing at a time. 
So David, what would you suggest

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you wise for symptomatic flexor 
jugitorum longus? 

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Yeah, that, that's a loaded one,
right? 

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Basically the flexing muscles 
for toes on the underside comes 

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down, wraps around the middle 
side of the ankle, comes up the 

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backside of that CBA. 
The big thing that I would think

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of is you want to make sure you 
have nothing that pushes you 

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into excessive extension at the 
toes and really lengthen that 

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thing and irritate it. 
That's the first thing I think 

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of. 
So when I think of. 

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So a load, so making sure you 
don't have a toe spring, right? 

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So you want you might have a 
four foot Walker, which might be

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helpful to unload these muscles,
but you want to make sure your 

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toes are not extended right? 
So you want something lower toe 

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spring? 
Ironically, the first thing that

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comes to mind, and this probably
isn't the answer, but I think 

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Newton does a pretty good job of
not having toe spring, but 

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having it padded and kind of 
elevated there. 

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So you kind of get a four foot 
rocker type of experience 

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without having the extension on 
the toes. 

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With that said, obviously it 
loads those plants reflexors 

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globally a little bit more, but 
I'm thinking specifically in a 

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niche here for just the FHL or 
not the FHLFDL. 

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But yeah, I mean, the big thing 
I'm looking for just gradual 

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rocker. 
That's actually not a bad option

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when you're holding up. 
Yeah, he's holding up the 

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Diadora cellular too, for those 
of it's spelled like it looks 

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like cellular, but we got a 
little pronunciation on the tech

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sheet, and jury's still out if 
it's shellula or Shellula. 

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But it's hilarious because they 
put a pronunciation on the tech 

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sheet and it only made it more 
confusing for us. 

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So if anyone out there knows, 
please tell us because we have a

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new Kayano. 
Like on the podcast. 

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It's like, how do you say 
shellula? 

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But actually it's not a bad 
option. 4 foot rock here without

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a lot of toast break. 
I like it. 

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Yeah, I'll let you cook. 
So that's my thing is and again 

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looking kind of thinking of 
shoes. 

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So the flexor longest is a 
really interesting muscle 

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because it starts kind of where 
you're kind of it is deep to 

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where your calf muscles are. 
So it is actually a planter 

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puncture flexor. 
It helps you push off travels, 

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as David said, along the medial 
side of the ankle. 

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So any kind of excessive 
pronation if that's not 

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controlled can also stretch on 
this. 

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And then it continues to the end
of your toes and helps you with 

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toe flexion. 
So the things that are going to 

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want to combine is you probably 
don't want a super low drop 

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shoe, You don't. 
You're going to want something 

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that's probably moderate stack 
hype. 

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Or moderate drop, maybe even a 
little higher drop. 

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You're going to want something 
that's probably stable neutral, 

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a little bit of medial support. 
And then you're also going to 

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want something with a pretty 
good 4 foot rocker without 

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excessive toe spring. 
And yeah, that's, that's kind of

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a big thing. 
And that's where the the the. 

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Honestly, the new output Clifton
isn't bad either. 

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Clifton. 
Yeah, I don't think it's Clifton

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10, I mean. 
Yeah, yeah, because it's it's 

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stable, just the durability 
isn't super hot, but it's 

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definitely got it's stable 
because of the side walls. 

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It's got a good 4 foot rocker. 
The toe spring isn't too bad and

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it's also an 8mm drop now, which
is a lot better. 

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So that's the kind of thing you 
might look for the Chellio or 

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however you pronounce that is a 
good option just because it's 

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got a the heel bubble is not 
very good, but the four foot 

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rocker is really, really nice 
and there's not a ton of toe 

449
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,560
spring here compared a lot of 
models. 

450
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,280
So it's going to help you go 
forward. 

451
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,760
And again, because it's more 
inherently stable, you got some 

452
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,080
sidewalls here and I swear, and,
and you can tell me I'm wrong. 

453
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,640
It feels like there's some 
geometry inside the shoe that 

454
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,120
acts like a mild stability shoe.
It feels like. 

455
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,200
So yeah, for. 
Sure. 

456
00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:20,560
So that yeah, those might be 
some, those are the concepts we 

457
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,960
want to look for. 
There's a couple options out 

458
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,600
there, but stable neutral, more 
moderate drop and then a four 

459
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,920
foot rocker without toe spring 
is what you're going to want to 

460
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960
work on. 
Now, what you need to work on 

461
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,640
from a strength perspective is 
you got to work on your planet 

462
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,240
flexors, because I rent getting 
good heel, like being able to 

463
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,760
get that heel up, be able to 
load those and progress that 

464
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,840
appropriately. 
You need a medical. 

465
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,680
You need a rehab professional to
help you out with that, but also

466
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,520
not forgetting your toes and 
being able to like hey, like 

467
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,560
short foot for medial arch 
stability, being able to work on

468
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,360
some some towel stuff. 
I'm actually a really big fan of

469
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,240
getting and this is very 
aggressive. 

470
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,000
So upon us. 
Be very careful with this. 

471
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,560
Doing your heel raises with your
toes being the only things on 

472
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,600
the edge of a step. 
That's a very, very, very, very 

473
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,320
high load. 
It's. 

474
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,280
Pretty high. 
With some of the toe flexors, 

475
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,400
yeah, I've been messing with 
that with a couple of my 

476
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,480
athletes and because just that's
if you can handle that and 

477
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,800
you've worked your way up, 
that's a really, really good 

478
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,320
thing the other way. 
That heads on there are. 

479
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,760
Really aggressive met heads. 
Just like, barely. 

480
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,200
OK, I was like, that would be 
awfully hard. 

481
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,600
It's it is extremely hard, yeah,
but just like some end stage 

482
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,280
rehab. 
So I wouldn't start with that. 

483
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,240
The other thing you can do it 
just for some lengthening stuff 

484
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,920
is do heel raises with a a small
towel underneath and in some 

485
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,680
extension it's very aggressive. 
But again, just got to 

486
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840
strengthen and load this stuff 
progressively and not and 

487
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,640
sometimes even just getting some
pretty heavy heel raises and 

488
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,560
working on calf planter flexor 
powers, what it's all about. 

489
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,360
All right, so Ryan's asking 
about numbness. 

490
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,920
So Ryan recently bought a pair 
of the Nike Romero Plus, which 

491
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,080
has been, at least my mind, has 
been a favorite this year. 

492
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,560
But he's actually, it's talking 
about something that I'm not 

493
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,680
surprised about. 
So the shoe feels really good, 

494
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,840
but bizarrely, his big toe seems
to go numb in them. 

495
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,760
So otherwise the shoe is great. 
Something he should be worried 

496
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,640
about or can he ignore it? 
So he's got a series of other 

497
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,160
shoes. 
He's trying to work towards his 

498
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,800
first marathon in London. 
David, what do you think's going

499
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,120
on? 
Is that worth ignoring, or is 

500
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,240
that worth continuing through? 
I mean, I'm of the belief 

501
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,440
anytime you have any kind of 
numbness, tingling and it's 

502
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,280
consistent and, you know, 
repeatable, like probably not 

503
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,120
worth it. 
Like from a repetitive load on 

504
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,520
the nerve standpoint unless you 
can find a way to take some 

505
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,640
pressure. 
But some nerve is getting hit, 

506
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,840
right? 
Like that's what's creating 

507
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,160
this. 
So if you put a little slit in 

508
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,720
the upper on the side and it 
works and there's no issues from

509
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,240
that point forward and you love 
the shoe, OK, that might work. 

510
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,280
But when I look at it, 
something's getting pinched, 

511
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,160
which is, I don't know, like I 
felt like that shoe had decent 

512
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,120
volume and width, you know, But 
I think looking at where are you

513
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,720
getting the pressure and the 
irritation is step one. 

514
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,960
And then if that is on the 
medial or underside, like you're

515
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,480
going to want to find a way to 
create a little bit of space for

516
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,760
it. 
If that is modifiable in your 

517
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,160
current shoe, by all means go 
for it. 

518
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,000
If that means finding another 
shoe, you might have to find 

519
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,320
another shoe, unfortunately. 
But that's, that's kind of the 

520
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,120
camp where I come from because 
of eventually, sooner or later, 

521
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,320
that nerve's going to get pissed
off. 

522
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,520
And like right now it's just 
innocent tingling and numbness. 

523
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,080
It might not be down the road. 
So that's just where my brain 

524
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,160
goes. 
Anytime something's repeatable 

525
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,920
like that, it's like, I might 
just not be for you. 

526
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,880
So I hate to give that answer 
because if you are really liking

527
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,600
the shoe, then that's that's 
unfortunate. 

528
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,160
But you could find modifiers 
within the shoe and see if that 

529
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,600
helps. 
And I mean, there's so much 

530
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,080
stack on that shoe. 
You could probably just take the

531
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,600
sock liner out and see if. 
You could probably just see if 

532
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,160
that works, but I don't know. 
Yeah, my first suggestion was 

533
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,080
and, and David hits on the head.
So nerves need 3 thinks they 

534
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,160
need blood space and movement. 
If you take one of those things 

535
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,040
away, especially space, then 
you're going to get, you may get

536
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,880
some neuro neurogenic type 
symptoms. 

537
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,320
OK. 
That's that's very normal when 

538
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480
you have excess, especially 
excessive pressure or rubbing. 

539
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,960
So there's, there's several 
conditions, especially ones that

540
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,680
compress the tibial nerve, which
becomes that's the one that goes

541
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,400
on the inner side of the ankle 
and it becomes the medial and 

542
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,480
lateral plantar nerves. 
Those very commonly, like if you

543
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,200
push on that spot, especially 
around the ankle or like around 

544
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,440
the arch, very common to get 
some, some neural like 

545
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,360
neurogenic type symptoms there. 
So my suggestion is first of 

546
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,440
all, if you're seeing this on 
YouTube, if you're, if you can't

547
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,960
see this, I'll, I'll talk about 
it. 

548
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,400
But there's something called 
linear lacing, which is where 

549
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480
instead of having the laces 
cross on your shoe, you look 

550
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,800
this, just look this up online 
where instead it just instead of

551
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,960
crossing them, you just go, you 
skip a lace and then just go 

552
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000
directly across, skip a lace, 
rightly go across. 

553
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800
It's a great way to increase the
volume of the shoe and also 

554
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,280
reduce pressure on the inside of
the foot, which can be an 

555
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,720
option. 
So if you're able to do that and

556
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,760
modify the lacings and get some 
pressure and it goes away, cool,

557
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,400
That's great. 
If you are unable to do that, 

558
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,000
that might be a shoe that you 
got to like reserve for shorter 

559
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,120
distances because you really 
don't want to have me going 

560
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:14,160
doing long, long stuff in 
something that's putting that 

561
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,720
much pressure on nerves. 
You want to be able to feel 

562
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,800
something through that. 
And sounds like you've got your 

563
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,960
Alpha Flight 3 for race day, 
which we got more information. 

564
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760
So you know, I would try to stay
healthy as possible. 

565
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,200
They might be good walking 
shoes, but modify the upper. 

566
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,640
If not, they may they may not be
the running shoe for you. 

567
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,680
And that's just how it goes. 
All right, Carter says, I've 

568
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,600
listened to your podcast for the
past couple months. 

569
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Was wondering, are there any 
books you recommend about 

570
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,360
running science, bio mechanics, 
running psychology, or books 

571
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,720
about new shoe technologies like
super shoes? 

572
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,880
I'm going to start this one and 
then David, I'll let you finish 

573
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,560
it. 
Unfortunately, people haven't 

574
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,640
really gotten to write about 
like super shoe tech like it 

575
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,080
gets. 
It's getting mentioned more and 

576
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,360
more, but most of it, we barely 
have any research on it. 

577
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,000
We're still finding that stuff 
out. 

578
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,560
So unfortunately, when it comes,
you ask a lot of questions when 

579
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,800
it comes to super shoes, there's
not a ton of stuff on there. 

580
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,720
When it comes to training, 
obviously there's some really 

581
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000
good like OG stuff from Jack 
Daniels and other individuals 

582
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,040
like that. 
Bio mechanics. 

583
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,040
It just depends on the book. 
Do you want a super sciency book

584
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,760
or do you want something a 
little bit more straightforward?

585
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000
There's like a bio mechanics of 
running book, and I'm forgetting

586
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,080
who wrote that, but there's some
really decent stuff out there. 

587
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,000
Running psychology, I don't 
know. 

588
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,240
I know that stuff exists. 
I don't know that really well, 

589
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,360
but not a ton of books on super 
shoe technology, stuff like 

590
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,640
that. 
That's all either internal that 

591
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,880
the companies keep close to 
chest or a couple of research 

592
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,320
articles where we're making 
guesses. 

593
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080
But yeah, not a lot what any any
stuff on running science or bio 

594
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,360
mechanics or any of the other 
stuff that you can think of book

595
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,880
wise. 
Yeah, it's tough because I'll be

596
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:50,160
honest, most of the content, 
whether it be visual or reading 

597
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,880
or, you know, video, it's mostly
come through the sources of 

598
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,840
continuing education courses. 
For myself, I don't go out of my

599
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,200
way to read other things that 
often if it isn't like 

600
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,040
literature based, like science, 
like research literature based. 

601
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,920
There was a book by Jada Sherry.
Yes, Running repair, No, not 

602
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,200
running repairs, running 
rewired. 

603
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,720
I think that one's actually 
pretty good. 

604
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,200
And that one's written more for 
the general public versus a 

605
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,520
clinician. 
But and that one kind of goes 

606
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,400
into some basic like exercises 
and things you can do and common

607
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,040
impairments and kind of things 
to look for in a more absorbable

608
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,640
package. 
I feel like that one's pretty 

609
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,400
good running psychology. 
I really don't have a lot of 

610
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,040
great. 
There's been plenty of like 

611
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,560
mindset type of books, but a lot
of them are kind of like pick 

612
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,520
yourself up by the bootstraps 
and you know, get on that grind.

613
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,360
Like when I think of it, I I 
know Steve Magnus has a couple 

614
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,440
of books. 
You know, I'm more a little bit 

615
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680
more of a sensible mindset type 
of approach than the other one I

616
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920
just mentioned. 
But I don't have anything 

617
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,520
specifically that I'm like the 
psychology of running, you know,

618
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,280
like from a sports psych 
standpoint or yeah, I mean, 

619
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,600
outside of a sports psychic 
textbook that I had in college, 

620
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,560
right? 
Like that's kind of where I have

621
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,200
most of my stuff, but. 
I'd say if we have any, anybody 

622
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,520
who's good in that area or like 
any sports psychologist, 

623
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,360
psychologist or or mental health
professionals, please put a 

624
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,520
comment below. 
Let us know. 

625
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,040
And you can even come on the 
pod. 

626
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Do you know like we can talk 
about it? 

627
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Yeah, there is a book called 
Running Bio Mechanics and 

628
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Exercise Physiology Applied in 
Practice by Franz Bosch and 

629
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,240
Ronald Klopp. 
I know this book because one of 

630
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080
my professors from Western 
actually sent it to me. 

631
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Cheney. 
Oh, my gosh. 

632
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,080
Doctor Cheney. 
Casey. 

633
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Doctor Cheney. 
Casey. 

634
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,640
Yeah. 
Shout out Casey. 

635
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Gifted this to me. 
Shout out. 

636
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Casey. 
I don't know what you're doing 

637
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,000
now, but you're still awesome. 
Gifted that book to me. 

638
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,840
And that's a good intro. 
It is a little bit outdated at 

639
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,640
this point but it is a good 
place to start my opinion if 

640
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,160
you're looking at bio mechanics 
and help you understand. 

641
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,640
That yeah I just looked up it is
running rewired, not running 

642
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,440
repairs. 
Yeah, running rewired Jada 

643
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,120
Sherry crushes it. 
All right, So Jonathan is asking

644
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,600
a special thing for me or I 
think that's us in general, but 

645
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,480
he's mentioned the Socity 
Tempest, so I'm excited. 

646
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,200
So as he currently owns 2 temp 2
pairs of the Socity Tempest in 

647
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480
their wide width, and they're my
favorite running shoes. 

648
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480
You and me both, I can easily 
run a 5K in them and do my long 

649
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,840
runs in them as well just to 
see. 

650
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,000
I ran my first ever marathon 
them. 

651
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320
That's awesome. 
Now I know that Tempest V2 is 

652
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,240
released and I noticed they 
don't have them and why with 

653
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,000
anymore? 
Yeah and they're narrow is all. 

654
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240
Heck, I still have to go try on 
The Tempest too in stores but 

655
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,960
I'm hesitant now because they're
not that wide. 

656
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
They are narrow. 
Do you have any alternatives on 

657
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,240
the market that are similar to 
the original Tempest? 

658
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,080
I believe I'm an E width. 
However, I've had the Nova blast

659
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520
in the past and they were not 
bad of issue but it's just it's 

660
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,800
hard to beat The Tempest so and 
the noble blast is a neutral 

661
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480
shoe. 
Any help is greatly appreciated.

662
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,800
So Jonathan, welcome to my life.
I have been talking about this. 

663
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,560
The Tempest 3 does exist, 
however it is also not the Super

664
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,040
white. 
It's got a little extra volume 

665
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,640
but it's not super wide and it's
only available in China should 

666
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,240
so good luck finding this. 
You're asking for a mild to 

667
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,640
moderate stability shoe that is 
responsive and can be used from 

668
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,640
everything from long run to five
KS that really doesn't exist 

669
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,560
anymore. 
And I hate to say that. 

670
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,880
And I I complain about it all 
the time so much. 

671
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,400
BJ has been like Matt you Matt, 
you got to let this dream die 

672
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,280
and I refuse. 
That's an actual message, by the

673
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,640
way, so. 
Yeah, yeah. 

674
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,320
I think that was a message. 
I'm not judging BJ either 

675
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,480
because he's kind of right. 
But so Jonathan, what you might 

676
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,480
have to do is look at some of 
the stable neutral models out 

677
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,280
there and that's where things 
kind of may work better. 

678
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,680
I think the Super Blast is a 
great great example of this, 

679
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,200
although I don't know if they 
come in a wide super. 

680
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Blast. 
It's not very wide. 

681
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,560
The one that I think of is the 
New Balance SC trainer. 

682
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,800
You got a little bit more space.
That's a great, it's a great 

683
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,080
option. 
It's going to be plated. 

684
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,800
It is definitely stable neutral.
They did a really good job 

685
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,920
there. 
Not the bouncy issue. 

686
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,960
So it's going to be simpler, 
similar to The Tempest. 

687
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Let's see ASIC super blast wide.
Do they have a wide width? 

688
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,320
I don't know, let me see. 
That's a great good. 

689
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,640
We're doing it live. 
We're doing it live, all right, 

690
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,280
David's going to look that up 
while I talk. 

691
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,120
You're going to have to look for
stable, stable, neutral because 

692
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,720
all the light stability shoes 
are really gone and even some of

693
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:35,640
the ones like the the the Adidas
Solution 2, which I really, 

694
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,280
really liked, it's not as 
responsive as clothes. 

695
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,880
That shoe now is completely 
different in version 3, which 

696
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,640
we'll talk about soon. 
A lot of the other light ones 

697
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560
have all gained a ton of weight 
and so you don't really have a 

698
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,600
ton of options that have the 
Super foam that also could do 

699
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,160
that. 
You have the Saucony. 

700
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Why am I forgetting the 
Hurricane 25, which isn't 

701
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,560
lights, but it's lights hurdle 
on operations and it has a super

702
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,200
foam in it. 
And it does really good if you 

703
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200
need some mild to moderate 
stability, but it's not going to

704
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200
be nearly as fun as The Tempest.
It also comes in a wide, which 

705
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,400
is really, really good. 
David, did you find out the 

706
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:11,960
Super? 
Blast. 

707
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,520
I'm on the Super blast and where
it has the width it has standard

708
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,520
but it doesn't have an option 
for other ones. 

709
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
So I'm trying to figure out if 
that's a site thing or if that's

710
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,400
the Nimbus will for sure have 
it. 

711
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
So let me look up the Nimbus 
real quick. 

712
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,080
Yeah, so I think David might be 
right. 

713
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,200
The New Balance SC trainer 
version 3 is probably going to 

714
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,000
be one of the better options to 
do this. 

715
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Don't get B2 because it was 
unstable, but version 3 is 

716
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,400
probably one of the closest 
things that stable neutral comes

717
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,360
in a wide can pick up the pace 
can go, you know long what you 

718
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
find. 
The Nimbus 27 Tokyo colorway 

719
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,240
that goes. 
Hard. 

720
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,120
Yeah, it goes hard. 
Yeah. 

721
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Let's see what else is in that 
lighter category that would. 

722
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,200
Oh well. 
This says standard stable 

723
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,240
neutral. 
So it might just be a website 

724
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
thing. 
I might have to filter for wide.

725
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Let me see. 
Let's see here filters width. 

726
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,760
Thanks everybody for the Yeah, 
thank you for the patience. 

727
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,800
SO2ES regular wise, yeah, 
regular wide we got Kayano, 

728
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Cumulus, Nimbus GT2000 Magic 
Speed 4. 

729
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,120
That's random. 
That's not going to be. 

730
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,320
That's not stable. 
No. 

731
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,199
No, that was my problem. 
With that show, I'm I'm glad 

732
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
right now. 
Hoping version 5 is different 

733
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,320
because version 5 actually has 
flat foam leap in it. 

734
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,480
I hated version 4. 
It stunk. 

735
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,880
It was not a good shoe. 
I did not. 

736
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,400
Enjoy that one. 
Think we're going to see it? 

737
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,280
I don't. 
Yeah. 

738
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,600
You don't think so? 
20 KG 20000 sorry sorry, the 

739
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,400
wide for the Super blast two. 
That is I I don't think we're as

740
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,480
I'm going deeper into this, I 
don't believe it's going to pop 

741
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,040
up. 
I've lost. 

742
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,400
So I'm still saying SC trainer 
version 3 because it's still in 

743
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,000
that like mid to low 9 oz range 
which isn't that far off The 

744
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Tempest. 
But in terms of finding 

745
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,440
something in that 8 oz range, 
it's wide. 

746
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,880
Unless you can fly to China and 
see if they have a wide of The 

747
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Tempest 3 it's there's not a lot
of options left. 

748
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Or you just go Nova Blast 5 
wide. 

749
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
I mean, it's not going to be 
yeah, but that's stable. 

750
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,600
But. 
It's not stable enough. 

751
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,480
It's not nearly as quick as The 
Tempest. 

752
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Does the Endorphin Pro come? 
Four come in a I. 

753
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,760
Didn't see it on there. 
Because I was talking with Corey

754
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,720
Hoffman, if you listen to our 
last episode, which I had a 

755
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,480
blast with him on, a lot of 
people are using the endorphin 

756
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,840
pro 4 ironically as like a super
trainer. 

757
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,200
So I can see that if I think I 
think that shoe comes in a way 

758
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,480
that might be another option 
because again, like more 

759
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,360
advanced foam, it does have a 
plate, so it's a little more 

760
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,880
aggressive, but it is very 
stable neutral. 

761
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,880
It's a great shoe. 
So I would consider SC trainer 

762
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,200
version 3 and a wide or taking a
look and seeing and and people 

763
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,160
on the on the YouTube wherever 
can talk poo poo about me for 

764
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,280
not knowing what the endorphin 
pro 4 comes to the way. 

765
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,200
But if it does, that's another 
one I might really suggest that 

766
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,160
has been commonly used as a 
super trainer and a racer as 

767
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,880
well. 
And so yeah, Jonathan, welcome 

768
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,880
to the fight. 
I'm still complaining about this

769
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,480
all the time. 
And even when I met with 

770
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,760
companies, I complained to them 
going what the heck? 

771
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,440
So yeah, welcome to the the 
search. 

772
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,360
So Matthias asks, how do you 
choose running shoes 

773
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560
specifically for treadmill use? 
What factors you consider which 

774
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,280
models on the market today do 
you recommend? 

775
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,640
Over the years I've tried 
everything from the out flight 

776
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,200
of racing flats, but this is the
best pair for me so far has been

777
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,720
some old Canvaras. 
David, why do you think that is?

778
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,600
Yeah, that actually doesn't 
surprise me at all. 

779
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,240
When you're running on a 
treadmill, you have a belt under

780
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,720
you that's moving, right? 
And so the belt is put at a 

781
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,960
certain speed and you're keeping
up with the belt. 

782
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,240
Now, when I've run on 
treadmills, I noticed that my 

783
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,880
foot will move into extension 
just a little bit quicker than 

784
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,400
it normally would because of the
nature of the belt. 

785
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,720
And it kind of opens that stride
up a little bit more. 

786
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,200
So that makes a lot of sense to 
me that a shoe that really isn't

787
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,960
as rockered and more flexible 
actually runs really smooth. 

788
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,440
And I've actually had 
sensitivity in the past with 

789
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,360
really rockered shoes on 
treadmills because of that early

790
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,640
heel rise and my hamstrings will
get a little irritated after a 

791
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,520
while. 
So yeah, I mean, I don't choose 

792
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,200
shoes specifically for treadmill
per SE. 

793
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,640
I mean, usually if I'm running 
on a treadmill, it's because of 

794
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,360
weather. 
And if I'm running on a 

795
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,920
treadmill, chances are I 
probably have a review that I 

796
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,720
have to get out. 
So I'm probably getting training

797
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,560
miles on the treadmill. 
That's on the the honest answer,

798
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,240
you know. 
But if I had to choose, I would 

799
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,080
choose something with the more 
moderate profile to it, like a 

800
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Canvara or like let's say a 
Saucony ride or like you can 

801
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,760
have a little bit of rocker. 
It doesn't have to be like, but 

802
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,400
I wouldn't choose a high stack, 
you know, super rockered shoe 

803
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,160
for a treadmill unless you're 
really got a flowy stride and 

804
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,800
you're comfortable with a lot of
hip extension. 

805
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,000
But I don't have a super flowy 
stride. 

806
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,800
So like, sometimes my hip flexor
or my hamstring can get a little

807
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,800
irritated from that stride 
opening up a little bit more on 

808
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,120
the treadmill, especially when 
the speed goes up a little bit 

809
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,840
more. 
Those are great. 

810
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Yeah, that's a solid option. 
He's holding up the Cloud Surfer

811
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,920
next. 
I mean, that basically fits the 

812
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,120
bill. 
A little bit firmer, slightly 

813
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,560
rockered, but not bad. 
Yeah, that'd be a great 

814
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,560
treadmill shoe. 
I didn't think I can handle this

815
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,240
for a while, but like when I'm 
at George Fox. 

816
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,000
So I'm just if it's not great 
outsider, I just need to grab a 

817
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
quick run a treadmill or 
something. 

818
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,520
This has been a great shoe that 
I always have with me in the car

819
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,160
that I'll just get some miles 
on, strap it on and because it's

820
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,720
not as aggressively rockered and
it's a little lower stack, not 

821
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,920
low. 
It's not lower stack. 

822
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,240
I know people are going to 
destroy me in the comments. 

823
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,080
It's not low stack. 
I promise it's more moderate, 

824
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,040
but it's not it's not the 
highest thing out there. 

825
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,840
I I correct myself, don't attack
me on the YouTube comments. 

826
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,960
That's, it's just, it's been 
great because it's more simple 

827
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960
and David hit it on the head. 
We know there's actual evidence 

828
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,360
that and some injury evidence 
too, that the treadmills will 

829
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,040
lengthen your stride. 
So you're going to get a lot 

830
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,280
more hip extension. 
Your stride's going to get 

831
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,760
lengthen. 
And so like hamstrings, for 

832
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,320
example, and even the Achilles 
tendon, there'll be a little 

833
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,920
extra stress there. 
There are some ways to change 

834
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,440
that a little bit depending on 
your treadmill, but most can't 

835
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,280
do that nearly as much. 
So like you can increase the 

836
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,840
like grade of the treadmill, but
just know that's going to 

837
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,480
increase stress on the Achilles 
tendon and ankle is like it'll 

838
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,040
reduce hip extension a little 
bit, but flat. 

839
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,800
Yeah. 
Besides, you're totally right. 

840
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200
And I would suggest kind of more
if you're going to be doing tons

841
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,160
of stuff on the treadmill, I 
would honestly tell you stick 

842
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,440
with a whatever shoe is really 
best, but like, what? 

843
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Whatever you're using for 
training, right, Whatever your 

844
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,760
standard training shoe is. 
Yeah. 

845
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,800
A more simple shoe that I think 
David said Les Rockard is 

846
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,960
probably going to do better, but
it's going to depend on the 

847
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,720
person. 
All right, our last question of 

848
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,840
the evening or whatever, which 
evening for us, whatever time it

849
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,880
is for you, So Adam's asking 
said, I think it'd be 

850
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,560
interesting to hear about which 
shoes you would choose if you 

851
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,400
had a 5432 or one shoe rotation.
And just for sake of time, I'm 

852
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,560
going to do a three, two or one 
shoe rotation. 

853
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,320
So David, you go first. 
If you could only have 3, two or

854
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:14,120
one, what would you choose? 
Oh man that's hard. 3 is easier 

855
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,920
right? 
Like you have a racing shoe, you

856
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,680
have a daily trainer and you've 
got like a workout shoe so 

857
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,120
that's not too bad. 
I'd go ASICS Metaspeed Edge 

858
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,920
Tokyo for my racing shoe. 
Could even double as a workout 

859
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,880
shoe for depending on what the 
workout is. 

860
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,160
I probably this is going to 
sound like an ASICS ad, but the 

861
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,920
ASICS mega blast I think would 
be a great long run shoe. 

862
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,480
I mean, I just those two shoes 
were my top two this year and 

863
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480
that's you know, that's me being
as objective as I possibly can 

864
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,400
be. 
I really like them. 

865
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,480
And then honestly, even though I
liked the vomero plus a lot, 

866
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,080
those are two pretty high up 
options already. 

867
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,960
I think I'm going to opt for 
something in the middle and 

868
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,920
probably go sock any ride for 
like the daily trainer, you 

869
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,080
know, so daily trainer and then 
for most of the bulk of miles 

870
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,920
and then if I'm feeling tired or
just long runs or slight up 

871
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,920
tempo, go Mega Blast. 
And if I'm going fast, faster 

872
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,120
racing, then I go at a speed 
edge Tokyo, and that's three. 

873
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Now for two. 
Yeah, now 2. 

874
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,440
So if I'm going for two, I mean 
you just versatility is the name

875
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,640
of the game, right? 
Like or you go something that 

876
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,440
you feel comfortable racing and 
doing workouts in and then just 

877
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,480
the trainer, like you got to 
have something that goes fast 

878
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,800
and something that goes slow. 
So maybe maybe I'd do that. 

879
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:41,360
I might just straight up go like
I might go Nike Vomero plus as 

880
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,520
my training shoe and then just 
go to meta speed edge Tokyo for 

881
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,400
racing and workouts. 
Just two polar opposites. 

882
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,040
You know, want to just get daily
miles in and want to go fast in 

883
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,520
might be a little bit too much 
time and high stack stuff, but I

884
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,600
only got 2 shoes to choose from 
so yeah. 

885
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000
So I might go those and then if 
I'm going one shoe and only one 

886
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,360
shoe, that's where it gets 
really tough, right? 

887
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,720
Like you got to feel comfortable
going slow and feel comfortable 

888
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,280
going fast. 
And truth be told, I the mega 

889
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,120
blast, as fun and as nice as it 
is, I don't feel as comfortable 

890
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,520
going fast in it. 
You know, like if I had to race 

891
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,320
in it, I probably would look at 
something like the New Balance 

892
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,960
rebel. 
I can train easy in that. 

893
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,920
I can go fast in that 
ironically, and you're not going

894
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,000
to like this answer, but the the
ASIC Sonic blast, I can turn 

895
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,080
over and that shoe really well 
and I feel like I'm not judging 

896
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,240
and I feel like it it needs to 
be better going slower. 

897
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,840
I think that heel needs to be 
better. 

898
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
I will go out and say that, but 
I feel like they've got 

899
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,320
something that could be really 
special there if they just get 

900
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,440
that geometry right, especially 
at the price point. 

901
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680
But it's an aggressive 4 foot 
rocker and it's really bouncy 

902
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,200
and it's plated plastic. 
But it's still, you know, that I

903
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,880
think I could turn over, I could
race a marathon in, I could 

904
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,320
probably race a 5K in it, if 
that. 

905
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,600
I don't know, I'd have to try 
going that fast, but it really 

906
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,680
opens my stride up and I can go 
fast. 

907
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,400
And this going slow is it? 
It works, You know, it works 

908
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,280
well enough for me to look the 
other way. 

909
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,400
If I only had one shoe, you 
know, it could be better. 

910
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,720
But yeah, those are the first 
two that come to mind right now.

911
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,960
That could easily change though.
You know, honestly like the 

912
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Sockney Tempest version one 
like. 

913
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,560
That's not a bad option either. 
No, that's great. 

914
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, I'd have to think about 

915
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,840
that. 
But it's something that's 

916
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,240
versatile. 
I mean that every company's got 

917
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,360
something right. 
The Nike Zoom Fly six, that 

918
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,520
could be a good one. 
Not as good at going slow, you 

919
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,840
know, but it but it can do it 
right. 

920
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,080
And and I could race a marathon 
in that. 

921
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,400
So that's kind of where my 
brain's at kind of thinking 

922
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,480
along those lines. 
What about you? 

923
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,080
What do you got for your 32 good
options? 

924
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,040
All right. 
So obviously if I'm doing my 3, 

925
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:08,480
the ASICS, man, I'm not. 
I'm going to screw this up. 

926
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,080
The ASICS Kayano, yeah, great. 
Sorry, I'm hesitating. 

927
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,600
The Kayano, the 32 would be my 
daily trainer hands down. 

928
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,520
Like everything I'm going to do 
in my up tempo shoe or like long

929
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,760
run, potentially marathon shoes.
Actually going to be a New 

930
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Balance SC Elite Version 5. 
It's been a great shoe. 

931
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,640
It's not the fastest thing, but 
man, for long runs it's been 

932
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,600
great. 
Especially up tempo ones where 

933
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,840
my wife's really pushing the 
pace. 

934
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440
And then for fast, for like 
everything fast, especially a 

935
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,960
lot of racing stuff. 
I'm going to agree with you. 

936
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,040
The ASICS Meta Speed Edge Tokyo 
would be my racing shoe, faster 

937
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640
workout shoe of choice. 
If I had to go to two, I would 

938
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,720
go with the Kiano and the ASICS 
Meta Speed, just Edge Tokyo, 

939
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,720
just because I need my daily 
trainer that I could do my long 

940
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,960
runs, easy runs, my bulk with 
mileage and then I can do I do 

941
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,240
workouts mostly in the the edge 
right now. 

942
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,160
So and then obviously racing 5 
KS is really easy. 

943
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,280
If I had to choose one shoe 
right now, that's pretty tough. 

944
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,760
Ironically I'd probably it's not
supposed to be stable but 

945
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,000
somehow or ever other it's done 
very very well. 

946
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,160
And this goes back to my comment
where like I'm a little bit 

947
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,280
irritated that there's not a lot
of like stable light options. 

948
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Super Blast 2 is not my 
favorite. 

949
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,520
I felt like the upper just kind 
of it got a little heavier. 

950
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,400
The upper still doesn't fit that
as well as I would like. 

951
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Not as responsive as I'd like. 
Great for, you know, long run 

952
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,800
stuff like that. 
But it just it didn't have the 

953
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,440
same thing. the Super blast one 
had Mega blast. 

954
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,560
I hate that upper. 
It's just like the midsole is 

955
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,520
awesome, but that and I love it 
for long runs. 

956
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,120
But that upper is giving me 
trouble now at 100 miles, 160 

957
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,880
miles and I haven't been able to
get more miles in that thing. 

958
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,800
I'd love to say Tempest 3, but 
man, it's like harsh during easy

959
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,080
runs and that upper is not the 
most fun thing to run like 

960
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,480
slowly in. 
So I'm actually going to have to

961
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,240
put either. 
There's a couple I'd have to 

962
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,120
either go with socket Endorphin 
Pro 4 once it's broken in. 

963
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,480
But honestly I would say the New
Balance SC Elite version 5 is 

964
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,560
the better option because it's 
played the IT breaks in really 

965
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,280
nicely. 
I've done long runs, I've done 

966
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,040
workouts. 
It's not the fastest shoe, but 

967
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,560
somehow it's able to handle a 
lot of different things. 

968
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,760
And I know I've said don't train
in super shoes, but it broke in 

969
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,120
really nicely and I it never got
any of that weird sensation the 

970
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,080
surprisingly more stable than I 
would have believed. 

971
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,560
But yeah, that'd be my like if I
can only do one right now just 

972
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,720
because it's not nearly as 
aggressive as a lot of other 

973
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,480
things that probably would be at
the other long shot, which I 

974
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,600
really enjoy and everybody does,
is the Saucony Endorphin 

975
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,800
trainer. 
Have really enjoyed that shoe 

976
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,680
yeah it's really solid not the 
fastest but man that like 

977
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,200
balance of incredi run that 
thing can move and it can handle

978
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,840
easy runs it did well on long 
runs and when you wanted to pick

979
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,480
up the pace I was always so 
surprised that it could do 

980
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,560
faster than I would was 
expecting it to so that's 

981
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,800
another one that I'm probably 
going to get heat for but yeah 

982
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,680
so some different choices the. 
Hookah Mock X3 also came to 

983
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,800
mind. 
Oh, interesting. 

984
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Why do you say that? 
Because it's, I don't know, I 

985
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,200
like it for running slow, even 
though it's meant to be kind of 

986
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,600
a performance trainer, just kind
of a structured rocker to it. 

987
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,240
It's got decent soul flaring. 
Like I could train in that, I 

988
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,560
could easily train in that and 
it turns over pretty well. 

989
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,960
I remember I ran like a low 5 
minute mile on the track when I 

990
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,000
was doing our review for it and 
it was fine, you know, and I 

991
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,240
figure if I can run low 5 going 
around turns, I can run, you 

992
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,200
know, I mean, I'm not running 
five 30s for marathon right now,

993
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,160
but I could like I could run 
like 556 six minute, you know, 

994
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,480
and that should like I think 
that could that could do it. 

995
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,240
If it was having feels to me it 
is, yeah. 

996
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,000
But it's still like the midsole.
It responds really, really well.

997
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,480
My only issue that's keep me 
from getting more miles on this 

998
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,600
is that it's kind of stiff in 
the heel here and it's really 

999
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,600
low drop. 
My Achilles just has not liked 

1000
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,240
the shoe because even though it 
says 5, I think it's 500 drop. 

1001
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:11,160
It feels. 
Feels pretty. 

1002
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,240
Grassy lower than that's got a 
great heel level, but yeah, it 

1003
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,320
makes it super low so that's why
it knocks it off for me. 

1004
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Any other things that you're? 
Any other thoughts come to mind 

1005
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,640
on that? 
No, I think that's good. 

1006
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Yeah, I think we had it. 
So we've got some, yeah, that's,

1007
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,400
we've gotten through some really
interesting stuff this year. 

1008
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,240
So this is coming to the end of 
2025. 

1009
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,400
We're going to have some best 
of's and we have another episode

1010
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,080
coming out long before actually 
a week before this on our kind 

1011
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,080
of favorites that have that have
come out this year. 

1012
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,840
But we're starting to get into 
some of the 2026 models and I 

1013
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,800
am, I'm getting excited. 
I'm a little bit apprehensive 

1014
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,600
we're not. 
So we haven't seen a ton of the 

1015
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,560
racing models yet. 
Some starting to see some of the

1016
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,960
trainers, but hoping 2026 really
builds on 20/25/2025. 

1017
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,520
In my opinion. 
I think there's a lot of really 

1018
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,000
solid trainers. 
Obviously ASA Kayanas one, I 

1019
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,560
thought the Nimbus was really, 
really good. 

1020
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,440
You got some really great things
from Saucony from the ride, got 

1021
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,600
some refinements and some shoes.
Other ones need some work. 

1022
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,280
But I'm curious, is there 
anything that you're that you 

1023
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,480
don't know about? 
Yet that I don't know about that

1024
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,560
you're like. 
I'm really excited that you're 

1025
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,960
like, I really hope this shoe is
really good. 

1026
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,280
What are you thinking? 
And listeners are gonna know 

1027
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,000
exactly what I'm gonna say. 
So it's fine. 

1028
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,360
And I know the shoes gonna get 
ruined and I'm gonna, I'm like 

1029
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,880
excited for it. 
But I mean, then I'm gonna hate 

1030
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,320
it, but it's fine. 
But things that I'd be excited 

1031
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,120
for that I don't know about yet.
Yeah, that's a tough one, Matt. 

1032
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Oh, if I don't know if I have an
answer for that on air, I'm 

1033
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,520
trying to think of a shoe that I
like right now. 

1034
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,400
A lot of the stuff that I liked 
came out kind of towards the 

1035
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,080
second-half of the year though, 
you know, like the vomero plus. 

1036
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,760
I mean that just barely came 
within the last few months and 

1037
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,480
then so I wouldn't expect them 
to update that. 

1038
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,720
You know, when I look at the 
meta speed edge, same same 

1039
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:05,760
thing. 
Well, that was a mid year 

1040
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,200
release, you know, and then Mega
Blast was later in the year, 

1041
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,360
Riot was earlier in the year, 
but they'll probably just, you 

1042
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,680
know, soft softly update it like
they've been doing. 

1043
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,920
They they did that actually was 
originate it's 18. 

1044
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Like. 
We're on right now. 

1045
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,960
That was a that was a really 
solid shoe. 

1046
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,800
That shoe apparently per core is
an ATPU midsole. 

1047
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,560
So that's why it like can pick 
up so quick. 

1048
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,120
I thought that was just going to
be an upper update but they 

1049
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,640
updated. 
Quite a bit so. 

1050
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,200
We'll have to see what 919, if 
it's a complete redesign or not,

1051
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,400
I don't know, but that's a 
really good option. 

1052
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,040
I'll give you a second to think 
the shoe, one of the shoes that 

1053
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,000
I'm really excited for, but I'm 
also almost certain I'm not I'm 

1054
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,920
not going to get me disappointed
is the Nike structure. 

1055
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Plus I've seen some photos and I
it looks like they literally 

1056
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,160
just took the structure and put 
Zoom X in it. 

1057
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,720
So I'm hoping it's better 
because the structure is not the

1058
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,120
most exciting shoe. 
So I'm hoping they drop the 

1059
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,800
weight, make it a little 
exciting for once or I'm just 

1060
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,320
going to get super disappointed.
So there's that. 

1061
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,560
I am also interested to see what
the Super Blast 3 looks like 

1062
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,440
because version 1 was good. 
It was a great shoe. 

1063
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,280
Version 2 was like you're kind 
of riding on a legacy here. 

1064
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,360
I'm really hoping they can turn 
that around for version 3. 

1065
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,720
But other trainers like, you 
know, there's just some really 

1066
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,160
solid stuff coming out right 
now. 

1067
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,080
I'm curious to see what happens 
with like the new Pegasus, you 

1068
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,840
know, some stuff from Adidas 
that's coming out and going, 

1069
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,680
hey, are you going to like get 
your training line together? 

1070
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,400
What's happening there? 
But I still expect 2026 to kind 

1071
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,600
of be mostly like soft updates 
and refinements, but we'll have 

1072
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,320
to see what happens one anything
else that you're expecting? 

1073
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,640
Yeah, there's been some photos 
of it online. 

1074
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:47,080
Well, photos, I who knows on 
these sites, but ASICS Magic 

1075
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,320
Speed 5 because I think that's 
supposed to be a pretty big 

1076
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,000
update of some kind. 
I don't know exactly what those 

1077
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,280
updates are, but I think with 
them moving to kind of this 

1078
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,080
flight foam turbo squared in the
Sonic blast and mega blast. 

1079
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,640
I think the Magic Speed is 
supposed to be kind of like 

1080
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,800
going back to like going fast 
fast, you know, and having 

1081
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,560
something that you could race 
in, but it's not the racing 

1082
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,120
shoe. 
Kind of like what Magic Speed 3 

1083
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,320
was, You know, so many people 
loved that shoe. 

1084
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,280
And then I feel like Magic Speed
Four kind of like fell off. 02 

1085
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,680
Totally off topic. 
Two other shoes that I'm really 

1086
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,360
looking forward to that I think 
will actually be some good 

1087
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,400
decent bangers. 
The Saucony azura, which is 

1088
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,200
supposed to be I think like a 
non plated super as a like tall,

1089
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,720
moderate to taller stack height 
super foam shoe supposed to come

1090
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,440
out supposed to be like an 
unofficial shift replacement. 

1091
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,840
And then the Endorphin Pro 5 
actually looks pretty, pretty 

1092
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,000
nice. 
We'll have to see what happens 

1093
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,600
there. 
But there's some stuff we 

1094
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
haven't tested any of that stuff
yet, but we're excited. 

1095
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,240
If you are going to comment, 
obviously don't comment about my

1096
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,120
mistakes on like moderate versus
low stack. 

1097
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,240
I know I was wrong. 
Like don't you don't need to rub

1098
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,680
it in. 
Let us know what shoes you are 

1099
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,800
most excited for in 2026 because
we're again, we don't have a ton

1100
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,520
of stuff right now. 
We're still waiting and we'll 

1101
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,960
have to see what happens. 
And we're just kind of like I've

1102
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,520
gone back to my old ways of 
searching on eBay for prototypes

1103
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,640
that nobody puts prototypes on 
eBay anymore. 

1104
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,880
So I been like just not finding 
nothing for over the last year 

1105
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,600
and then, you know, looking at 
like various sites trying to 

1106
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,920
figure out if I can pull 
together some of the running 

1107
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,400
catalogs, which companies have 
also done a much better job of 

1108
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,000
keeping under wraps. 
So I'm not able to they're. 

1109
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Very good at it. 
Now you don't find out and still

1110
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,760
wants you to find out like. 
In the past they were really bad

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and it just took me like looking
at like a couple websites over 

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in Asia and I'd be like found 
it. 

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I found the whole line for like 
in the 2027. 

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Now you can't find it. 
So let if you know or you're 

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excited, let us know in the 
comments, hello, what you're 

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most excited for so we can get 
that along with you. 

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As always, we really appreciate 
you listening. 

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I know what I'm excited for, but
I can't talk about it, darn it. 

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There's something like really 
cool coming down the pipeline. 

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But anyways. 
Such a classic way for us. 

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But Theodora, though, I think 
Theodora I their running line is

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getting nicer and nicer by the 
year. 

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I think they might see some 
pretty nice shoes coming from 

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the next year because they've 
just been agreeing with me 

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lately. 
What a classic way ended up So 

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David talked about something you
can't talk about. 

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So we appreciate you all 
listening and following along 

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really helped this helpful. 
The whole purpose of doctors 

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running is to help educate all 
of you and the things that work 

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for you and office also things 
that don't so you can keep 

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healthy and try to figure out 
what is, I think often overly 

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complicated. 
We're trying to simplify it for 

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you, but also not shy away from 
going, hey, there's complexity 

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here. 
And so this whole point is 

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teaching and helping you learn 
and helping you figure out 

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what's going on because we're in
the same boat and trying to 

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learn as well. 
So you can find us on all the 

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different social media sites. 
Obviously, all the original 

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stuff, all the major reviews, 
all the major content is going 

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to come out on our major site 
called doctorsrunning.com. 

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You can also find us all over 
the place on YouTube. 

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You can find the podcast on 
Spotify, iTunes, all this stuff.

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You can find us on Instagram X, 
any of the social media 

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platforms out there. 
That box is a phenomenal job of 

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managing and we will look 
forward to hearing from you soon

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and hope you enjoy this.