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Hey everyone and welcome to 
doctors Running podcast where we

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a group of doctors physical 
therapy, talk about the art and 

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the science of the things that 
we put on our feet. 

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Today we are doing a mail back 
episode and is myself and Doctor

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Sloss with me today. 
We are going to be having some 

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great questions and great 
conversations. 

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I'm I'm excited, I'm I'm hoping 
there are some disagreements and

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some hot takes from some of 
these questions. 

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And we always really appreciate 
it that we actually got so many 

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questions. 
Obviously this is going to be a 

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multi session mailbag just 
because you got enough and we 

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really want to get to these. 
So if you don't hear yourself 

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today, we will probably get it 
on to the next episode or so 

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just because we had some really,
really, really great ones. 

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So we're going to start off 
though with our segment that 

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we're going to try to make more 
consistent with is our, what are

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we running in right now. 
So David, what shoes are you 

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running in right now? 
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few, but I'll make it quick 
mainly because coming out 

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tomorrow, which will be in the 
past time by the time this comes

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out, but have a trail roundup 
coming out of some of the trail 

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running shoes that we've been 
running in looking forward into 

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the summer. 
So just a few of those things 

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that we got. 
Solomon S Lab Pulsar 4 

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lightweight aggressive trail 
racing shoe sub ultra Brooks 

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Cascadia 19 reliable tank that 
it's always been nice and 

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comfortable, good for hiking and
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Puma Deviate Nitro elite trail. 
This was a fun one. 

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It's kind of like an all terrain
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I mean, they meant for it to be 
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you could you could run on the 
road if this if you really 

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wanted to. 
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Done like tons of Rd. workouts 
in that shoe like I have I have 

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lots of miles in that shoe. 
I'm really enjoying it. 

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I I've like half of the 50 miles
1/2 in that shoe or is on the 

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road doing workouts. 
So yeah, yeah, it's been. 

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Great, but it does well on the 
trail too. 

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Don't let that be like, oh, it's
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shoe. 
Like it? 

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Yeah, it doesn't do the greatest
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good services, yeah. 
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And I, I mentioned that in the 
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I almost said review, but it's 
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We have the Topo Vista, another 
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I know you had like a weird 
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where it kind of tore. 
It's been a good like walking 

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hiking shoe. 
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it. 
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my old address and so I got it 
and I don't know if it just been

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sitting out in the sun too long,
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Southern California, the upper 
right under my medial arch start

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just tore a little bit. 
It hasn't the integrity is still

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there. 
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Just there's some like, oh, but 
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Yeah, some upper issues. 
I feel like that was just like a

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weird thing like mines held up 
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But yeah, it's good. 
You know, formulator vibra mega 

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RIP plugs. 
It's it's meant to be like their

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plush trail shoe and I feel like
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I feel like the zip foam softer.
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that's supposed to pick a high 
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of the like plushness is from 
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is a softer. 
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than the other. 
Ones it's certainly softer 

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compared to their other models 
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So kind of like meant to be like
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shoe. 
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You know, I I like them both 
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Vista. 
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actually really excited to bring
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And this one is really nice. 
I don't want to like throw it 

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around too much 'cause I don't 
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But I haven't been like wowed by
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was just like, Oh my God, like 
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And this one did that for me. 
Like I, I almost immediately and

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I was like, this is different. 
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could definitely see myself 
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it in the event that I was. 
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It's got a really big rocket 
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gradual 4 foot and it's a dual 
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So you're getting the Super foam
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bottom layer, and then they put 
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there? 
It's not carbon fiber. 

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I think it's fiberglass 
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of their racing models. 
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there's been a few of them. 
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don't know. 
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can't speak to. 
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with you. 
I just took this out this 

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morning for 9 miles pushing a 
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great and it was really 
interesting because a lot of 

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super shoes, I feel like they 
are trail depending on the trail

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model, there's a couple of them 
that maybe not, but usually just

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like OK, like I would not spend 
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is. 
This she was like, whoa, this is

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comfortable. 
I'd actually worn this like for 

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all day wear previously going 
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It's not a fast shoe, which is 
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is probably just a little bit 
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But man, like you put this on, 
if you can just get into rhythm 

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and go, the upper is great, 
really light and just there's 

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plenty of room. 
I would say almost maybe too 

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much. 
I probably need to lock down 

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laces a little bit more too much
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swell, it's great. 
Just this and not unstable, not 

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overly stable but not unstable 
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the middle. 
I was I'm very impressed and 

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probably one of the few shoes 
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durability, but even some Rd. 
crossings, the lugs are holding 

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up pretty well. 
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like, Oh, I I'm actually a 
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trail super shoe with most of 
them I've been kind of 

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disappointed in with the 
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like that's a road trail. 
By saying I am a little 

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impressed is a big statement 
considering every other shoe is.

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I'm disappointed, yeah. 
But yeah, no, I actually really 

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liked it. 
I agree the upper fits really 

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well. 
I actually didn't have any 

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issues with the lockdown. 
I felt like the mid foot cinched

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down pretty well and there was a
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swelling and it it felt really 
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I actually really liked it, Very
bouncy, very plush, but it 

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doesn't feel like it doesn't 
feel like I have to go fast to 

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engage it. 
I can definitely settle in the 

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rhythm and in fact it feels good
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Right. 
It feels it's not, it's not one 

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of the Super shoes that feel 
weird when you're like, I'm 

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jogging a warm up. 
It's like, Oh no, this adapts 

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right to me. 
I'm like, it feels good to jog. 

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It feels good to get in the 
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So if I was racing like a trail 
10K or something, I wouldn't 

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wear it. 
But like, if I was racing an 

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ultra, Well, yeah, I think right
now, at least initially, that 

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might be my shoe. 
Yeah, I might. 

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I might grab that as well for 
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Shorter stuff Puma for sure, but
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Comparing the two or or the 
pulsar, I mean, this one's 

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pretty solid. 
It's it's different though. 

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It's it's so hard. 
I mean, you guys can read this 

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in the roundup, but the step in 
is so snug, like kitting your 

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foot into the shoe is kind of 
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But once it's in there, then it 
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and it's like it it wants to go 
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I'm sorry, Salomon, I'm going to
say I'm having run in the 

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previous version. 
I actually ran cross country 

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races in the previous version 
because I knew I wasn't going to

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be able to handle spike cross 
country spikes. 

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And I love that shoe. 
The new IT was like it's the 

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lightest trail shoe. 
I think it was like close to 

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being the lightest trail shoe. 
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So the previous one was super 
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The new one they pack on a bunch
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It's still super like overly 
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I'm like, I'm kind of, it's like
disappointed this guy Dad, No, 

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it went up quite a bit. 
I'm like, I'm kind of 

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disappointed like again, that 
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I, I know, I, I, this is me 
personally, I was disappointed 

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after running the previous one 
that they maximized it and not 

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every shoe needs to be. 
We're gonna have some questions 

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on that actually. 
But I was disappointed, but I 

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need to give it another shot. 
But my initial impressions are 

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disappointment. 
But it's one of the ones where 

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like where the Puma 1 doesn't do
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This could easily hit technical 
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That's fair. 
I think it also depends on like 

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what you're looking for in the 
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Yeah, any who's. 
There's a person at this. 

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Part we're dragging on here, but
I'm going to go very, very quick

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through these next ones because 
that's what I just wrote the 

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roundup on. 
Going up into this next week, we

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have rabid Dream Chaser. 
It's going to be Rd. week for 

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me. 
Skechers Aero Tempo just came in

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Solomon Aeroblaze 3. 
What is? 

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Yeah, Aeroblaze 3. 
I'm actually really excited 

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about that one. 
And then another one, Mizuno 

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Wave Rider 29. 
I'm actually really excited 

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about this too, because the NRZ 
Next foam feels significantly 

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different like than the previous
NRZ foams, like much more plush 

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and it feels really bouncy like,
but I haven't run in it yet. 

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So I'm curious to see how the 
run experience is once we 

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actually get this thing going. 
But yeah, all four of those I'm 

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pretty excited for. 
It's been, it's been a pretty 

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loaded last couple of weeks from
a shoe standpoint, but it's a 

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good thing. 
Sweet, that's a good thing. 

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Yep. 
So wait, so I already talked 

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about the on cloud ultra pro, 
which is kind of the major trail

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shoe and I'm trying to living in
Sherwood OR try to go find a 

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couple more gravel roads around 
here. 

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They they exist. 
It just takes a little drive to 

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get to them. 
So been testing some stuff 

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there. 
I got to give a shout out and I 

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might get some hate for this as 
I just saw just watch the I 

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don't know if you've seen this. 
They're running in Japan. 

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Guy put up a episode hating on 
on shoe reviewers, which I also 

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thought was hilarious but he he 
made some good points. 

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One of the things is irritated 
with is like reviewers getting 

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shoes like way before they get 
released and this shoe doesn't 

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come out till November of 2025. 
But now it's the not that I 

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there's reviews out already on 
it so or we'll just cut this. 

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So the Brooks adrenaline 25. 
I have not been impressed with 

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adrenaline for a long time and 
this shoe isn't sexy. 

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It's not super fast, it's just 
good. 

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It's just solid it's simple. 
It's got a good amount of 

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stability, the mid foot and heel
and it just goes it's not 

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bouncy, it's not crazy. 
It's a little bit softer than 

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the last one, but in my opinion,
the upper fits way better, 

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little bit softer transitions a 
little bit better. 

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I've just been enjoying my so 
we're probably not going to drop

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our review till it gets closer 
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And I'm hoping I have a couple 
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shoe by then because I'm just 
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really goes and really test it 
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But I keep saying I want to say 
hurricane, hurricane different 

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show Adrenaline 25. 
It's the same same year, but has

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been really, really good so far 
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standpoint. 
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Hyperion Max 3. 
Andrew and I did an episode 

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where we talked about this and 
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it. 
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for me, but I'm still handling 
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starting to get more of a 
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So this is a good, really first 
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I we didn't get to test the hype
hearing Elite for PB supposedly 

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version 5 might be something we 
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We'll have to see, but I'm 
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I also know why some of the 
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It's in one of our people that's
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probably the reason why, though 
we can't confirm that. 

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So Tina, I have, I have a 
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this, as are the many good 
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So yeah, it's been good, just 
not as stable as I would like. 

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And probably final one right now
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been the ASICS Meta Speed Sky. 
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and forth in the chat about this
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liked this guy since version one
since the OG. 

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Ironically, the the previous 
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didn't like the Paris. 
It just didn't work. 

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And I will say that this shoe is
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edge because the edge is 
actually making my 4 foot hurt 

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and is too stiff. 
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at like maybe 10K, maybe 5K 
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This version is doing much 
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I will say, and this is a 
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that some of the weights and 
stuff like that, like it's a fun

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shoe, but it's so aggressive 
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uncomfortable. 
But that kind of reminds me of 

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where things used to be where we
use this racing flats did not 

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used to be comfortable. 
They didn't used to be these 

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plush super cushion like, oh, 
this feels really good. 

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It was like this kind of hurts, 
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I'm I'm going to grind through 
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shoe possible. 
I think this is one of those 

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shoes we're kind of getting back
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people may disagree with me, but
it's, you know, when you start 

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getting into these weight ranges
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stack height, like they're a 
sacrifice you have to make and I

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think it's a great shoe. 
It's just. 

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It's also just crazy responsive 
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It's it's crazy responsive and 
it's just not the most 

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comfortable thing in the world. 
But I the sky is probably going 

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to be you doing a lot of races 
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So we'll see what happens. 
No, I get it. 

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I get it. 
Like initially I was like, oh, I

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might be converted right, 
because I've always been team 

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edge the entire way. 
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and some longer stuff in it, 
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still edge just because that 
like flight foam. 

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Oh my gosh, the leap there is 
the FFM leap is so like 

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compliant and that heels very 
soft. 

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And it's like I feel like if I'm
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like if I'm able to keep good 
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shoe flies. 
But the second I start losing 

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myself, that shoe just starts 
sending me in all kinds of 

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different directions. 
I'm like, OK, like this isn't 

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for me. 
I kind of need that more rigid 

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heel that the Edge has and then 
that just suits me much better 

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to just lever off that great 
toe. 

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So I I totally get it like that.
She's very exciting. 

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I just can't control it as well 
myself. 

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And I think that's probably what
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time controlling both of them 
like they're, you know, these 

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it's a great shoe. 
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the prior versions, but I think 
the prior versions were more 

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comfortable. 
So the when I had the edge 

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Paris, I was like this shoes 
going to crush it like this is 

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going to take out the alpha fly.
Like I'm using this for all this

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different stuff and yeah, so 
I'll fly an edge where the shoes

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of the year and it was clearly 
like nobody was even close to 

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those 2. 
The edge like took out the the 

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alpha fly by a good amount just 
because it just bit my foot 

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really well. 
This year I think things are 

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going to be a lot closer. 
We still have another half year 

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to go, so we'll have to see what
the end of the year comes with. 

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But I think there's a lot more 
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of the year this year compared 
to last. 

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I think just because you know 
you still need so if you're 

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going to run long you still need
some comfort in there. 

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But we'll see after I go racing 
these. 

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Maybe I'll change my mind on on 
Friday when I do a 4th of July 

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5K and drop a fast time with 
stroller. 

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So we'll see what happens or not
anyway, or is that will be 

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having a fit and I'll have to 
drop out. 

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Who knows? 
All right, so we are going to go

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into our mailbag episode. 
And for those who have not 

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followed us before or not 
listen, our mailbag is where we 

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actually reach out to the 
community and ask people, Hey, 

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what do you want to know? 
Like we have things we always 

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want to talk about, but we do 
this to for you. 

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We do this because we want to 
educate people. 

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We'd, as we've said many times 
before with all the shoe 

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reviews, all the stuff, we do 
not accept compensation. 

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We do this because we enjoy it 
and because we want to share 

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information and as our 
background as physical 

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therapists, our thought is to we
want to help you prevent things.

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We want to help teach you 
things. 

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So we also want to figure out 
what do you want to know? 

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And that's where these mailbag 
episodes come in. 

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People are generous to spend a 
few minutes or hours, depending 

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on how long it is sending 
questions in. 

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And so we're going to take time 
to go through each one of these,

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address it, kind of get our 
thoughts on it, and hopefully 

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get you an answer that helps you
learn something from this 

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because that's again, we're 
going to learn and hopefully 

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you're going to learn as well. 
So our first one is from a very 

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special friend, Drew Whitcomb 
from Weartester, who says my son

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who's 11 years old has plantar 
fasciitis symptoms on and off 

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during track the season. 
I see a tons of info about 

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treating plantar fasciitis in 
adults. 

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Where do I start with the kid 
that's growing like a weed? 

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David, why don't you take this 
early start? 

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Yeah, for those that don't know,
Drew's got some height on him. 

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I imagine your 11 year old is 
growing at a pretty rapid rate. 

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I can only imagine it's, it's 
tough, you know, sometimes the 

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connective tissue doesn't grow 
quite as quickly as the bones 

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and you kind of get this kind of
bow string effect sometimes in 

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some of the tendons and things. 
I think being, I don't want to 

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not overly cautious or careful, 
but like being mindful of load 

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management and not overdoing 
things while they're getting 

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into these sports regardless 
whatever activity it is. 

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Drew's also an excellent Hooper.
So I don't know if your son's 

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hooping at all, but just making 
sure that you have a variety of 

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different stimuli and trying to 
get that leg exposed to just 

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doing different things and 
keeping things fun. 

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He's still 11, right? 
So things don't need to be 

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overly serious just yet. 
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people specialize really quick 
and they go into training and 

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doing things hard, like injuries
come up, especially when you're 

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growing at a really fast rate. 
And so I think in the short 

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term, you know, they're really 
young, they're going to bounce 

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back quick usually. 
So in the short term, give it 

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some rest, see if it calms down,
give it a variety of different 

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stimuli. 
But I, I would be hesitant to go

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all in on like, OK, you got to 
get on this regimen. 

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You got to be doing this, you 
got to be doing that. 

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Like at this stage it's like 
just let them kind of develop 

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and develop some of the motor 
skills in coordinating their own

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body, right? 
Because as you get that length, 

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I mean, I was kind of one of 
those when I finally did start 

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growing, like I had these long 
limbs and I was like, what do I 

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do with them? 
I looked like a noodle, you 

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know, running around, just a wet
noodle. 

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My nickname was Gumby in 
college, you know, like, so it 

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takes a while to kind of 
sometimes even like in college, 

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right? 
Like I just said in college, so 

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like it can take a while to 
fully adjust to your body as 

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you're growing. 
And I think just in the short 

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term, you know, obviously like 
rested a little bit, let it get 

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better and just get things, a 
variety of different stimuli and

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just slowly work towards 
whatever sport you're wanting to

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do. 
But it's, it's easy to overdo 

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things, especially when you're 
growing that quickly. 

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So just being mindful of it 
without being overly cautious. 

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I would say load management, 
understanding that some of this 

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is completely normal is really 
key. 

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And so what's different from 
adults is that kids are actually

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growing. 
So their, their bones are 

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typically growing, growing at a 
much faster rate than their soft

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tissue is. 
The soft tissue gets pulled. 

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So like especially if you've got
a kid that's really, really 

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tall, like that stuff's got a 
stretch. 

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So irritation of the stuff is 
totally normal. 

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So you're going to see also 
things like Seaver's disease, 

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which sounds really bad. 
It's just where you get a little

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bit of irritation in the 
Achilles tendon where it inserts

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because it's pulling. 
You'll see the heel bone 

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calcaneus start to grow a little
bit. 

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It's not as commonly talked 
about, but you'll see the exact 

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same thing in the plantar 
fascia. 

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Ojgood Slaughters is another 
example. 

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This at the knee with the 
patellar tendon where you'll get

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a little bump in the front just 
because the bones getting pulled

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on because the the quads aren't 
quite getting the range of 

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motion as things are so as 
tolerated. 

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Be careful how aggressive you do
this. 

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Yes, doing some gentles if if 
things aren't irritable, things 

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are super irritable. 
Do not be doing aggressive 

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stretching because they'll just 
pull and yank on stuff even 

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more. 
But as things calm down going 

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all right, let's get a little 
bit of mobility here. 

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Maybe calm step down, some 
gentle stretch and you see, can 

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we actually get the tissue to 
get a little bit more length? 

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Just know that's going to cause 
some extreme soreness just 

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because when you stretch the 
muscle and you're working it out

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too, it's you're using you 
length. 

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So don't be surprised with some 
more soreness. 

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So maybe some gentle stretching 
might be helpful. 

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Take a look, especially with 
plantar fasciitis. 

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Make sure it's is it actually 
the plantar fascia or is it just

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one of the intrinsic foot 
muscles? 

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So like roll on the bottom of 
your foot out or being able to 

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work on some foot strength, 
which may be as simple as like 

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doing some like toe exercises or
if you can court, not everybody 

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can do this coordinate the short
foot exercise or it can be just 

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slowly introducing some barefoot
walking around can be helpful. 

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If that's not the case, you 
might need to do like David said

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it you could either if it's bad 
enough. 

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If it's on off, that's not as 
bad. 

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But if it's bad enough, you 
might want to try in some cases 

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do some arch support, either a 
shoe that has it or like one of 

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the insoles that do something 
like that and get don't get a 

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special one. 
Get one of the over the counter 

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ones because they work just as 
well and go, hey, does this 

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help? 
If that helps, then you might, 

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this might be a little bit of 
you. 

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The kid might need a little 
support. 

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If it doesn't do anything, don't
worry about that because more 

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than likely, as David said, it's
just the tissue getting used. 

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This. 
The thing that can be helpful 

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that I would encourage is 
appropriate load management, 

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which means making sure you got 
good rest, good nutrition, good 

447
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sleep and recovery, but also 
going hey, which not a lot of 

448
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,880
kids get in school is can we do 
some appropriate at the right 

449
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,920
time of season, not at the end 
of the season. 

450
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,920
During the offseason is when you
do this start introducing some 

451
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,440
strength training, some calf 
raises, some like kind of more 

452
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960
intense foot strength stuff. 
So lower extremity strength 

453
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,160
because we do know that 
decreased lower extremity 

454
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,520
strength can be a risk factor 
for plantar fasciitis. 

455
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,800
So or fashiopathy is probably 
the better term. 

456
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,720
So introducing some careful, as 
David said, load management, 

457
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,600
teaching your body to tolerate 
more load, increasing the 

458
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,680
capacity is what strength 
training does so that you can 

459
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,600
tolerate more during season 
might be some things to think 

460
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,120
about. 
But think about a lot of these 

461
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:23,640
and experiment with these during
the offseason to so that when 

462
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,160
they get to the season, they're 
not adding all these additional 

463
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,560
variables, which when you add a 
bunch of extra stuff, that 

464
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,880
itself can cause injuries. 
So load management, see about 

465
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,760
some extra strength stuff would 
be really good. 

466
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,440
Make sure recovery is on point. 
Some soft tissue stuff for 

467
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,280
support might be helpful, may 
not. 

468
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,520
And then go from there and it 
probably get better and 

469
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,960
eventually go away, to be 
totally honest. 

470
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,880
I think it's a great. 
Answer sweet. 

471
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,880
Ready for the next one? 
Let's do it. 

472
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,280
All right, our, and I'm going to
read this to verbatim our best 

473
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,240
friend, Tina Danforth, who we 
have a lot of connection with. 

474
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,280
Can we share this that she 
started at Mizuno and was very 

475
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,000
kind to us and was on the 
podcast a bunch of times and 

476
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,280
then moved over to Brooks and we
need to get her back. 

477
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,520
I think we've talked to her. 
Once we had her on the end of 

478
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,480
year thing, Yeah, at the end. 
Of year Yep Yep, Yep so we'll 

479
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,920
try to get her back because 
she's a really cool human being 

480
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,920
and I, I, I blame her for some 
of the performance changes at 

481
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,680
Brooks that are they're so 
positive, but it's a whole team 

482
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,040
that obviously goes this, but 
I'm I'm wondering if she has a 

483
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280
strong impact cuz she did some 
really fun stuff at Mizuno, but 

484
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,800
she has maybe the most wild 
question and her question is 

485
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,840
what shoe have you been seated 
that the color is so bad that 

486
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,400
you just couldn't wear it or you
can't wear it She's doing 

487
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,920
present tense. 
Do you have an? 

488
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,520
Answer, man. 
Oh geez, you know, it's tough. 

489
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:48,400
I think I'm pretty easy going 
with colorways, you know, like I

490
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,160
was. 
I've worn the a six try NUSA to 

491
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,280
work right. 
Like I'm wearing like confetti 

492
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,720
all over the place looking 
colors, you know. 

493
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000
But actually the most recent 
NUSA we got though, that one was

494
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:07,360
a little bit the the weird 
chartreuse brownie kind of that 

495
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:10,680
one looked a little off, like I 
think the year before that where

496
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,680
it was like almost a tie dye, 
like white with the orange and 

497
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,720
the blue. 
I think the color is like 

498
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,600
blended together really well for
as crazy as the colorway was. 

499
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,480
But maybe that most recent news,
I was like, yeah. 

500
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,720
And then whatever they're doing 
with their brown over there, I 

501
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,440
like the cumulus. 
The most recent one, I wasn't a 

502
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760
huge fan of that color, but it's
not so ugly I can't wear it 

503
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,960
right. 
Like I don't. 

504
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,960
I'm pretty easygoing, like when 
it comes to colors. 

505
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,160
I feel like most people, a lot 
of times there's designers and 

506
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,560
there's a whole team that comes 
out with making these shoes 

507
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,880
before they get to the market, 
right? 

508
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,160
So usually they look presentable
enough. 

509
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,440
But yeah, I don't know. 
I feel like sometimes the wild 

510
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,560
ones are fun. 
I think it's just sometimes when

511
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,160
certain colors just don't don't 
mesh. 

512
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,800
What about you? 
Do you have anything that you're

513
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,440
just like, No, that just wasn't 
it. 

514
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,600
I will wear anything I will tell
two stories that the NUSA Tri 

515
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,320
actually got me in trouble at 
work because I was a lot of 

516
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,800
shoes that we bring in. 
I'll usually break them in by 

517
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,360
walking around in them. 
And I didn't think that West 

518
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,920
Coast such as our people he 
taught would think that much of 

519
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,480
a big deal and the students 
don't care. 

520
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,200
But our the campus director came
up teams like we need to have a 

521
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480
talk about like your 
professionalism with your shoe 

522
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,320
choice. 
And I was like, there are a lot 

523
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,160
of problems at that institution 
of the students are phenomenal. 

524
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,360
A lot of the other faculty are 
great. 

525
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,000
But like, I was like, this is 
your priority right Right now. 

526
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,560
Like, so, yeah. 
So yeah, basically I'm, I'm, I'm

527
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,640
diverting responsibility for the
fact that I probably shouldn't 

528
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,120
have worn those as they were not
the most professional, but I did

529
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,640
get, they didn't get written up,
but I was like just a mild 

530
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,840
warning about like, let's let's 
be a little more official with 

531
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,520
your shoe color choice here at 
work. 

532
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,960
And I was like, all right, all 
right, I I understand. 

533
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,200
I still ran to them, but it's 
fine. 

534
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,560
The other thing, my other story 
about this is back when I was a 

535
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,320
bit more sensitive when I was 
working running stores before PT

536
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,200
school, I got a pair of Mizuna 
Wave Universe fours, which were 

537
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,720
the lightest racing shoe at that
point, although the New Balance 

538
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,200
RC5000 would challenge that a 
little bit later. 

539
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,280
And I loved that shoe and it 
looked like there was this 

540
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,240
really awesome red color way. 
So we're working at fit right 

541
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,600
Northwest. 
I'm like, I'm already knows I'm 

542
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800
going to grab these. 
And when they came in, they were

543
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,960
like hot pink. 
And I was like. 

544
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,480
That thing's cool though, man. 
I mean, this is, this is like 

545
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,280
pre, pre, you know, Yeah. 
This is before I like Nike 

546
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,200
rolled out hot pink spikes on 
everybody. 

547
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,040
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, so just like, man, can I 

548
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,160
wear these? 
And so I did and I'm happy I did

549
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,520
because I actually set my 5 KPR 
like all time PR though. 

550
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:48,800
So I ran 1445 and like several 
14 like high 1440 and 1450s in 

551
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,080
those shoes. 
So I would say I was almost 

552
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,840
nervous about it and I'm glad 
that I put them on 'cause it was

553
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,520
totally worth it. 
So Nope, we've never. 

554
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,360
I haven't been seen any color 
where I wouldn't wear it because

555
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320
I'll wear anything. 
I'm the same way. 

556
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280
I'm very pro pink by the way. 
Keep the pink shoes coming. 

557
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,240
Yeah, dude, one of my favorite 
colorways was the socketing 

558
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,880
Endorphin Pro 3. 
Like they sent that. 

559
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,640
It was like a bright colorway 
and I love that shoe. 

560
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,920
It is my favorite. 
I think it might be my favorite 

561
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,200
socketing racing shoe outside of
the Endorphin Elite and I rocked

562
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,840
out at several races and it was 
great shoe. 

563
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,560
Also, it had little. 
Sparkles on it too. 

564
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Yeah, it had spark pink 
sparkles. 

565
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,880
It was great. 
I spit specific race member 

566
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,640
crushing race up at yeah up in 
about not Mount Baldy, but like 

567
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Wrightwood area Mount California
mountains up at altitude and it 

568
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,920
was like yeah I. 
Remember getting crushed by 

569
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,640
someone wearing those shoes? 
Yeah, that also happens. 

570
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,280
All right. 
So another friend from Brooks, 

571
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,320
Evan Day asks through a patient 
treatment lens, anything you 

572
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840
wish shoes on the market did 
today to help patients that they

573
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,040
don't or could be better at like
things to add change with 

574
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,560
uppers, heel counters, mid 
soles, etcetera. 

575
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,880
Yeah, I could think of 
something. 

576
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280
It's funny because I feel like 
this would probably be more in 

577
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,640
your camp, but every once in a 
while I have patients have a 

578
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,280
hard time finding shoes from a 
posterior Achilles, like 

579
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,680
pressure from the heel counter 
and whether they have a HAG lens

580
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,040
or they're having an Achilles 
repair or I mean, I work in 

581
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,920
orthopaedics, right? 
So like I'm going to be seeing 

582
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000
operations on these things all 
the time. 

583
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,720
And sometimes they can be a 
little tricky. 

584
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,840
And like people like, I think 
having options that don't have a

585
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,160
stiff heel counter, just pushing
up against that calcaneus, like 

586
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,040
just having some things that 
maybe are supportive in a 

587
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,320
different way around that heel 
and giving a little bit of extra

588
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,800
space. 
Shoes are better about it now 

589
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,920
than they ever have been, you 
know? 

590
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,440
And some have kind of like that 
retrocalcanial curve too, 

591
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,720
without sacrificing lockdown but
still giving some space. 

592
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,400
But yeah, I feel like finding 
ways to decrease the pressure on

593
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,920
that posterior Achilles because 
I feel like I'm seeing these 

594
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,640
Hagelunds like maybe even more 
than before. 

595
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,600
I don't, I don't know, but 
people are pretty sensitive to 

596
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,280
those things. 
And that's usually the main 

597
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,200
complaint from that population 
is that they can't wear certain 

598
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,800
shoes because they just can't, 
like their heel is on the 

599
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,920
backside, you know, on the 
Achilles is not comfortable. 

600
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,200
1000% can I? 
I'm going to build off that and 

601
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,680
say I think rethinking how we do
heel counters would be helpful. 

602
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,600
I mean, not completely because 
people have been doing this for 

603
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,120
a while, but starting to remove 
some of the thought process of 

604
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:32,080
like only do this on like who's 
Adidas, I think was the ones 

605
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,800
that for a long time were doing 
just the lateral and medial 

606
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320
aspects where they built like 
have a stiff agent and then the 

607
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,960
rear part would be open or 
flexible. 

608
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,960
And those are beautiful because 
Haglunds, there's, they're 

609
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,760
frequent and that you know what 
a lot of people with insertional

610
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,080
Achilles tendonopathy, it's the 
same thing where those things 

611
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,560
are really sensitive and a hard 
heel counter will irritate them.

612
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,880
And especially a shoe like you 
can put a ton of padding in 

613
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,760
front of that counter, it's 
going to break down. 

614
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Or sometimes the opposite. 
What happens is the padding is 

615
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,960
pushing forward so much that can
actually be the irritating 

616
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,040
factor, not the counter, but the
padding's pushing on there 

617
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,400
especially like some reasons 
things I would avoid is where 

618
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,040
the padding is actually sitting 
almost on top of the calcaneus. 

619
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,800
That is really irritating to 
patients that I've worked with. 

620
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760
So I'd say rethinking how we do 
heel counters, there's still a 

621
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,280
way to create stiff structure 
back there without pushing on 

622
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,520
the posterior aspects. 
So I challenge companies to 

623
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,880
think about that because it is 
really irritating and really, 

624
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,080
really difficult. 
And I will also say since I 

625
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,160
typically work with an older 
population who have a lot more 

626
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Achilles tendon issues, that's a
common, common, common 

627
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,120
complaint. 
So 100% before I keep going on 

628
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,560
some other things. 
Any other things you want to 

629
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,000
add? 
You know, I think everyone is 

630
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,400
doing a pretty good job, you 
know, for the most part, like 

631
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,040
you're starting to see toe boxes
get wider, you're starting to 

632
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,600
see a little bit more volume, 
supportive uppers platforms, you

633
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,560
know, when appropriate or 
starting to get a little bit 

634
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,680
wider, people are integrating 
sidewalls and things like that. 

635
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,840
Like I feel like for the most 
part, people are doing a pretty 

636
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,800
good job now and you can almost 
find a shoe for everyone. 

637
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,800
But I think 1 common theme that 
I'm seeing is, is that I, I feel

638
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
like that's one of the things 
that kind of recurrently comes 

639
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,160
up. 
And I don't really have a great 

640
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480
answer for some people. 
Sometimes where it's like some 

641
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,040
of the shoes that do have the 
design that might be favorable 

642
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,080
are usually performance shoes. 
And it's partially because 

643
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,960
they're cutting weight, you 
know, so it's like if you look 

644
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,160
at an Adidas Takumi Sen or like,
I'm trying to think, what was 

645
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880
the other one that did that? 
Well, Sockney and Dorfin Elite 

646
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,720
kind of did that. 
Well, they did it. 

647
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Yeah, they did it. 
They just had like that little 

648
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920
like overlay around the, the 
backside. 

649
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,520
But you'll, you'll see it in 
performance shoes, but you don't

650
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:49,560
really see it that often. 
The Hokus mock mock X2, right? 

651
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,000
Isn't that one? 
Yeah, there's a few out there, 

652
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,240
but for the most part, like 
daily shoes, you just don't see 

653
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,560
designs that favorable in that 
direction. 

654
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,160
And I'm not saying to have every
shoe do that, but at least like 

655
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,960
a couple of staples that are 
pretty easy to stand and walk 

656
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,760
and do some light runs and I 
think could be a favorable 

657
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
option. 
I would say to add on that, 

658
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,800
yeah, I agree with you. 
I think a lot of things you're 

659
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,400
doing well. 
Some of our complaints might 

660
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,760
occur with the performance shoes
where they're trying to get 

661
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,120
weight down, which makes sense. 
You're going to have to put 

662
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,800
things down. 
I would say from a mid sole 

663
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040
standpoint and a stability 
standpoint, I'd really love to 

664
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,080
see more shoes that actually 
either have two things, either 

665
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
actually have 4 foot stability 
because a lot of shoes out there

666
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,520
it's heel, midfoot. 
And to be honest, there's a lot 

667
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,000
of people with four foot 
stability issues either like a 

668
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680
various or valgus alignment of 
the foot. 

669
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Most common is going to be a 
little more valgus alignment 

670
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800
where their their toe is 
elevated and then when they try 

671
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,120
to get to the ground they 
collapse inwards and no amount 

672
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,760
of heel stability is going to do
anything for that. 

673
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,160
The other thing, other way to 
look at this is I would love to 

674
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,240
see a couple more wedged shoes 
on the market. 

675
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,680
I think Brooks is holding steady
with some posting stuff. 

676
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880
A lot of other companies are 
kind of moving away from that. 

677
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,240
So it's nice to have some 
variety, but I don't think 

678
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,120
everything needs to be a 
guidance based shoe. 

679
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120
It's some people are going to 
need medial post type stuff, 

680
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320
which I think the adrenaline 
does well. 

681
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,040
You can call it not a post, it's
exactly how it feels, but it 

682
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360
would be nice. 
Like I really like the new 860. 

683
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,960
It does. 
It's not the perfect shoe for 

684
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,960
me, but there's a lot of people 
who do well is a wedge design 

685
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,880
where your foot's actually kind 
of kept in an angled position. 

686
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200
So that's something I would love
to see. 

687
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,000
Not that every shoe doesn't need
to do that, but it would be nice

688
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240
to have a little bit more 
variety with that because 

689
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,600
there's plenty of people with 
either 4 foot stability needs or

690
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,600
that need some kind of like 
alignment thing with a 

691
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,120
correction. 
And I there's plenty of shoes 

692
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,640
that did that, like the, the 
Nike Lunar Glide actually did 

693
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,800
something very similar with 
their foam setup and it worked 

694
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,520
very well for people. 
Although that's that was not, I 

695
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,960
don't think that was their 
intention. 

696
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,960
It worked very well because of 
the foam set up inside the shoe.

697
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,800
So yeah, just think of don't 
forget the four foot and so 

698
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,480
wedge design with one shoe would
be nice. 

699
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,200
I like it. 
Sweet. 

700
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,320
All right, so we're going to 
move on. 

701
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,840
So Kyle emailed in and says do 
you all have any pre race or pre

702
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,680
long run rituals you partake in?
I drink 200 ounces of water the 

703
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
day before a race or or A10 plus
miler. 

704
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,000
I used to have more than I do 
now. 

705
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:24,920
When I was younger, I would have
a Cliff bar and a cold brew 

706
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480
coffee. 
That was kind of like a thing 

707
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320
that I would do. 
As I got older, I started to put

708
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720
a little bit of electrolytes and
try and get more like fluids 

709
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,320
that wasn't coffee in. 
And so I would have either a 

710
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,000
noon or a scratch, no specific 
measurement. 

711
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Probably about 17 oz, you know, 
like a flaskish or a cup 

712
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,960
sometimes whatever the hotel 
room has, you know, because if 

713
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,880
you're on the road, like 
whatever that measures out to. 

714
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,720
And then I usually would try to 
have a little something to eat, 

715
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,280
whether it be a Clif Bar, 
usually some kind of a nutrition

716
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,920
bar or something that's light on
the stomach. 

717
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,600
Every once in a while. 
If, if I didn't have those and I

718
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,320
was in the Costco grind, the 
Aussie bites, you know, are 

719
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,560
pretty light on the stomach and 
they, they, they have some carbs

720
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400
in there. 
So I could pop two of those in a

721
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:23,480
in a noon or scratch. 
Nowadays I'm not running long 

722
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,280
enough to really like fully 
justify having a routine. 

723
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,480
So I I haven't really had any 
like specific routine recently. 

724
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600
But yeah, I feel like that's 
that was usually kind of my go 

725
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,719
to something light on the 
stomach that still has some 

726
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,760
carbs, a little bit of protein 
and some electrolytes. 

727
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560
That was kind of nothing over 
the top, just a little 

728
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,199
something. 
I would say I'm kind of the 

729
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,960
opposite, like kind of similar 
similar with the end product, 

730
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,760
but opposite where I feel like I
had no idea what I was doing for

731
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,800
years and I didn't really race. 
I I started cross country late 

732
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,360
and didn't start till my senior 
year of high school and then I 

733
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,280
jumped in college and I spent 
years going what's the pre race 

734
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,040
routine was supposed to look 
like you messing around? 

735
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,640
So I didn't. 
I was kind of all over the 

736
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,720
place. 
Now it's more consistent where 

737
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,040
one of the most important things
the two nights before the race, 

738
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,960
getting good sleep really 
important. 

739
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,400
That's because of the night 
before. 

740
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Who knows what happens and I 
found that kind of two day rule 

741
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,720
is really really important so 
the better I can get that in. 

742
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,800
Obviously trying to get good 
sleep is important, although I 

743
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,960
have a almost 2 year old so 
sleep is a precious and often 

744
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,040
fleeting commodity. 
But getting good sleep two 

745
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,200
nights before I am not a fan and
intentionally a boy trying to 

746
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,600
like overstuff with pasta. 
Like I try to eat as normal as 

747
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,560
possible day before but make 
sure I eat a good good amount 

748
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,160
and make sure I'm not skipping. 
Make sure I don't like I'm 

749
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,960
someone that will get so focused
I'll forget to eat and some of 

750
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,560
my students make fun of me where
I'm just like go, go, go, go. 

751
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,920
And I'm like, oh, I forgot to 
eat lunch because I just worked 

752
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,240
through this and I was tutoring 
what have you. 

753
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:56,280
So that is a absolute no, no. 
And I don't skip meals, but 

754
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,680
sometimes it happens and I'll 
compensate for it later and make

755
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,480
sure I get what I need. 
But that's an absolute no, no 

756
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,520
the two days before any kind of 
race or long run because it will

757
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,600
just wreck me. 
The final thing is I absolutely 

758
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,080
need to eat something the 
morning of. 

759
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,000
I will not go in with light 
food, a Clif Bar, stuff like 

760
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,240
that does not cut it. 
I need to have a whole meal. 

761
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,040
So I'll get up two to three 
hours beforehand, eat, get 

762
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,520
something in my stomach. 
If for whatever reason I don't 

763
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,360
get that in, I'm going to be 
fueling probably every 20-30 

764
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,880
minutes with something up until 
the the race starts to make sure

765
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,960
I've got calories in me. 
And especially with long runs 

766
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,680
now, electrolytes from the 
second I wake up, just start 

767
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,120
drinking that stuff, loading it.
Getting carbohydrates in has 

768
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,800
really helped make me feel not 
like crap during long runs, 

769
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120
which is really important 
because when you're pushing A50 

770
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960
plus # stroller, it burns a lot 
of calories. 

771
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,160
And so making sure I'm getting 
good carbohydrates in is really 

772
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,320
key. 
So those are my not so much a 

773
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
ritual, but like, I need, I know
I need to do this. 

774
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,840
I need to make sure I got good 
sleep, good calories, good 

775
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,200
electrolytes, and keep fueling 
appropriately before I go 

776
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280
because I know that's going to 
help me feel less like a turd 

777
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,880
while I'm running and racing. 
Yeah, Loki, I'll actually add 

778
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,440
something. 
Some of my best races actually 

779
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520
came from a night before playing
some Mario Kart. 

780
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,600
In all seriousness, like because
sometimes you're nervous and 

781
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,480
you're kind of jittery and 
you're thinking about the race 

782
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,360
and it gives you something to 
kind of have a little bit of a 

783
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,160
competitive edge or like you're 
doing something that's racing 

784
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,760
related or adjacent. 
Just it gets your mind off of 

785
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,280
it. 
And then but you're having fun, 

786
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,640
right? 
And then you can go to bed and 

787
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,880
actually focus on the thing on 
the day of. 

788
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Because some people like, I 
mean, this is more me when I was

789
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,960
like, younger, younger, you know
it, but probably high school me 

790
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,800
more so. 
But yeah, like you, you want to 

791
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,280
do well, right? 
And then now your brain is like 

792
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,160
thinking over and over and over 
again about this thing. 

793
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,520
And it's like, like you can 
chill. 

794
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Like it's OK to chill and then 
go and revisit the race when it 

795
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200
comes around, when it's time to 
race. 

796
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Sure. 
All right, so long time follower

797
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,520
Peter Maronte. 
I'm sorry Peter if I 

798
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,400
mispronounced your last name, 
asked a very good question. 

799
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,040
So does drop heel drop, which is
difference in height between the

800
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,640
heel and the forefoot? 
Does drop still play a 

801
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,680
significant role as mid soles 
get softer and softer? 

802
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,440
Dave, what do you think? 
I think it does, but probably 

803
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,880
not in the way that he thinks. 
I'm going to answer it. 

804
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:30,080
As these phones get more and 
more compliant, that drop, even 

805
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,960
it's the number is going to be 
less relevant as the experience.

806
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,640
And so when you have a really 
soft and compliant foam, 

807
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,520
sometimes like an 8 or 9mm drop 
shoe will probably feel more 

808
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,600
like a four or five. 
And a shoe that's like a four or

809
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,120
five might feel closer to 0, 
even though it's not. 

810
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,320
It's just when you're landing 
and crashing in on that thing. 

811
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:56,400
Yeah, like the edge, My gosh. 
Edge Tokyo or Sky Tokyo, that 

812
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,480
would be an example where that 
foam is so compliant that it I 

813
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,640
almost have to. 
If I'm running fast and I'm in 

814
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,680
control, it's great. 
But when I have to start 

815
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,600
fighting it now I have to like 
when I'm tired, I have to almost

816
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,800
climb out of that forefoot and 
it feels much lower than it 

817
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,600
actually is from a drop 
standpoint. 

818
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200
So having some drop on these 
really compliance shoes I think 

819
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,360
is actually a good thing unless 
you're just running super 

820
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,880
aggressively off that forfeit, 
which is a very small percentage

821
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,880
of people. 
I would 100% agree with you that

822
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,480
I think the dynamic nature of 
drop, and we've talked about 

823
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,600
this for a while that while that
companies will give you or and 

824
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,080
you can measure it yourself, you
can do a static drop 

825
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,400
measurement. 
That is not the same as what the

826
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,080
actual measurements going to be 
when you load the shoe. 

827
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,520
And the nature of the drop is 
not going to be the same 

828
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,640
depending on where you're 
loading and what phase of gait 

829
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,520
you're in. 
So it will change, how much it 

830
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,120
changes is going to depend on 
how soft things are. 

831
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,120
This is one of the reasons as 
missiles get softer softer, I am

832
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,320
less and less and less a fan of 
highly cushioned 0 drop shoes. 

833
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,360
Because I have found that like 
what, 79? 

834
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,760
The evidence suggests 79% of 
people are heel strikers right? 

835
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,480
You could. 
I'm not going to debate you 

836
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,760
whether it's a good or bad 
thing. 

837
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Different foot strikes just load
different tissues. 

838
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,800
People will use what movement 
patterns and strengths they 

839
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,520
have. 
If you are a heel striker in a 

840
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
zero drop cushioned shoe, that 
is a negative drop shoe. 

841
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,040
That's a pretty significant 
negative drop shoe. 

842
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,360
And I will say just to shout out
the arse, New Balance Super Comp

843
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,280
or SC elite version 5 verse 4. 
Version 4 was really soft, had a

844
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,400
4mm drop and that shoe to me 
felt 0 because I load the heel. 

845
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,520
It took me a while to climb out 
of that. 

846
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:43,120
The increase drop in version 5 
feels a lot better. 

847
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,920
Do I still compress that soft 
foam? 

848
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,680
Absolutely. 
Does it make it feel lower drop?

849
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Yes. 
Does it feel as low drop as 

850
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,520
version 4? 
No. 

851
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,080
So I think as David said, having
a little drop is actually 

852
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,120
preferable now because the foams
compress so much and so quickly.

853
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,640
Now it's kind of the same thing 
for people that land farther 

854
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,000
forward, especially with the 
softer 4 foot that's going to 

855
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,760
compress, you're getting a 
higher drop. 

856
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,800
So somebody might go, huh, 
that's weird. 

857
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,840
The shoe has a moderate drop and
I'm still getting Patel femoral 

858
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,680
stuff even though a four foot 
striker it's like yeah, you're 

859
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,120
going into a higher drop and 
you're going to get pitched 

860
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,040
forward for that moment. 
So I think now becomes more 

861
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,160
important to understand that the
measurements that are given to 

862
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,360
you are not accurate because how
you load it is not going to be 

863
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,160
that number. 
So understanding how you load 

864
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,600
the shoe and what that number 
means to you as an individual is

865
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,680
now more important I think. 
Do you think? 

866
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Great question. 
Yeah. 

867
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,600
And this is a mailbag for me. 
Do you think reporting drop 

868
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,880
ratios is relevant at all 
anymore with how compliant these

869
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,040
phones are getting? 
That's a good question. 

870
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,920
I I wouldn't know how else to 
report that. 

871
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,280
Like I would like to know if his
shoes measurement is 0 drop 

872
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,720
versus a more moderate drop 
because that kind of gives me 

873
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,720
the idea of going. 
OK, well or like a gradient like

874
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,680
let's say like a moderate was 
four to six and a low was sub 

875
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,600
four and a high was 7 plus or 4 
to 8 maybe for moderate, I don't

876
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,640
know above. 
Eight, I think almost reporting 

877
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,400
it as in that way would be 
better as like this is a 4 to 

878
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,400
6mm drop shoe. 
This is a six. 

879
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,640
To 8 moderate. 
Like, yeah, I think that might 

880
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,800
be a better way rather than 
going what's the exact 

881
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,600
measurements like, yeah, that's 
not going to matter. 

882
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,960
Like it's but having a realm of 
going, OK, this is a really low 

883
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,880
drop shoe. 
I need to ease into this shoe 

884
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,880
because my Achilles tendon is a 
little bit sensitive right now. 

885
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,240
And that gives me sort of versus
like, oh, OK, this is a more 

886
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,280
moderate tire drop shoe. 
I don't need to worry about it 

887
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,080
this or vice versa. 
My patellar tendon is a little 

888
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,600
sensitive. 
This higher drop shoe might be a

889
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,200
little more irritating than this
lower drop 1. 

890
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,360
You know that I think you don't 
necessarily have to give the 

891
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,200
exact measurement. 
I would say giving the range of 

892
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,560
going this is kind of going to 
be in this area might be more 

893
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,080
helpful. 
Sweet. 

894
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,520
All right, this is from another 
longtime follower, Kim Josh. 

895
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,200
I'm probably going to 
mispronounce everybody's name. 

896
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,640
And just FYI for people that 
don't know, I get made fun of 

897
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:08,440
constantly for pronouncing 
Andreas name a billion different

898
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,160
ways. 
You said it right. 

899
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,560
Yeah, thank you very much. 
OK, so I get made fun of all the

900
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,040
time. 
So if I mispronounce your name, 

901
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,320
just know that I mispronounce 
everything in the English 

902
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,840
language. 
And I don't know how I speak 

903
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,000
English. 
But Kim, we appreciate this. 

904
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,400
Appreciate the follow. 
The long time follows. 

905
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,520
And she's asking what is your 
favorite post run snack? 

906
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,280
Yeah, I mean, truth be told, I'm
usually racing off to work, so I

907
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,360
don't enjoy snackies very often.
But if chocolate milk counts, I 

908
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,320
do like having chocolate milk 
afterwards. 

909
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,200
That's kind of nice. 
And then I'll have whatever I 

910
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,840
have time for. 
So if I my breakfast of choice, 

911
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,480
if I can, I usually make a quick
breakfast burrito, just whip up 

912
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,160
a few eggs, toss some cheese, 
and then I throw a tortilla over

913
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,640
the pan. 
You know, it's kind of warm it 

914
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,520
up and then flip it on a team, 
boom, boom, roll it up, heat it 

915
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,240
out the door. 
You know, like I, I try to be 

916
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,640
pretty quick and efficient with 
it. 

917
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,680
If I don't have time for that, 
it's usually whatever protein 

918
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,880
bars I have laying around or 
something to kind of hold me 

919
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,960
over alongside my chocolate 
milk. 

920
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,480
And if I don't have chocolate 
milk, then age of a protein Jake

921
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,280
or something, yeah. 
Yep, I will say 100% chocolate 

922
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,960
milk of some kind. 
I'm a particularly big fan of 

923
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
the Scratch Labs recovery 
chocolate mix. 

924
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,680
But if that's not available, 
I'll even in the summer, like 

925
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,920
just this morning it was like 
7080° and I came back and I 

926
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,720
still made hot chocolate with 
like the Ghirardelli like hot 

927
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:30,480
cocoa mix. 
And I'm like, I don't care. 

928
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,520
I'm still gonna do this. 
The other thing that's really 

929
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,520
fun that I really appreciate is 
I'll do that plus whipped cream 

930
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,040
and then hot honey on the top 
just for a little extra kick, 

931
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,600
which is really, really good. 
Definitely opens the sinuses up 

932
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,600
a little bit. 
If those and I run, do my major 

933
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,960
run in the morning. 
So I'm usually eating a major 

934
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,280
meal after that and then rushing
off to work. 

935
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,480
I will say, if I'm running in 
the evening and I'm just sitting

936
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,200
there and just munching, I love 
like highly salted pretzels. 

937
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,360
It's like some kind of 
carbohydrate, just munching, 

938
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,600
enjoying, or whatever dessert I 
can get my hand on that I'm 

939
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,440
eating before I should be eating
dessert or eating dinner. 

940
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,720
Like I'll just munch. 
I'm looking for calories. 

941
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,640
So wait. 
All right, Katie on Instagram 

942
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,640
asks if you were doing a run 
across the US and could only use

943
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,320
one pair of shoes for the whole 
trip, which would you pick? 

944
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,920
Wow. 
Can I go? 

945
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
I'll go. 1st I don't know if I 
have an answer immediately. 

946
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,120
This, this would right now, it 
was like I'm doing a long run. 

947
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,440
I don't know what's coming at 
me. 

948
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,360
I've been like loving this shoe 
this year, but the A6 gel Keanu 

949
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,040
32 would be my shoe of choice. 
I I love that shoe. 

950
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,240
I would need lots and lots of 
pairs of those because it would 

951
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,480
wear out. 
So that might be the only issue.

952
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,640
But I love that shoe and have 
been able to do just about most 

953
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,360
things in it for mileage and 
have enjoyed it. 

954
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,920
So we get to change shoes out. 
Or wait, that's actually if we 

955
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,320
couldn't cause I've already got 
a ton of wear on that shoe at 

956
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,640
100 miles turning like. 
Minimal wear changes, yeah, like

957
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,160
like you only get like one 
reasonable pair and then maybe 

958
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,200
obviously, I mean the US is 
pretty big, so maybe you change 

959
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,360
two or three times, but. 
Oh, actually, that change that 

960
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,120
might change that. 
Actually, yeah, 'cause I was 

961
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,880
trying to think of something 
that's really durable but still 

962
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,080
comfortable and something I 
could just tank around. 

963
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,680
Maybe the Mount to Coast P1, 
which I have 100 miles on that. 

964
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,760
Yeah, I have. 
I mean, that's what it's meant 

965
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,200
for. 
I have 100 miles on my pair. 

966
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,760
It's not the most comfortable 
shoe, I think, because my 

967
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,600
mechanics don't quite match it 
because I have a longer stride. 

968
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,480
But I wonder if with a shorter 
stride and that shoe just that 

969
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,520
that that company's been 
crushing at the long distance. 

970
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,800
I have the Mount to Coast T1. 
It's not quite stable enough for

971
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080
me, but they're starting to 
soften their midst a little bit.

972
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,000
It's getting a little bit 
better, so I got to give them 

973
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,360
credit. 
So if I needed something to last

974
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,160
because I need some stability, 
the Nautico's P1 actually might 

975
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,600
be it. 
I I'm glad you brought that up 

976
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,360
because the R1 I remember being 
specifically like, I don't know 

977
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,760
if this is like it didn't have 
like enough like life to it. 

978
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Like I feel like it wasn't as 
good at doing the things I 

979
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,320
wanted to do for for it to be 
like my daily trainer. 

980
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,520
But like, yeah, we're just slow 
shuffling. 

981
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,640
And just like if I'm just going 
to be out there for a long 

982
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,920
freaking time like that, yeah, 
that shoe would actually be 

983
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,120
really comfortable. 
That wouldn't be a bad option. 

984
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,040
It took me a while to figure 
that out because when I first 

985
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,760
was running in those, I was 
like, hey, I have a longer 

986
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,600
stride, like why isn't this 
working for me? 

987
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,480
But then finally I was like, you
know, this is an ultra marathon 

988
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,320
shoe. 
Let me short my stride, crease 

989
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,360
the Kate and I'm like, oh, 
that's when it comes to life. 

990
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,680
It's not a super shoe, but it is
insanely like there is nowhere 

991
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,240
on the bottom my PO1 at 100 
miles. 

992
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,400
And so it's you got to be able 
to use it right and have the 

993
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,800
right mechanics and go the right
distance. 

994
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,560
So I think actually the P1 might
be that shoe. 

995
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,280
I will say they'll go 1/2 size 
up. 

996
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,040
I'm kind of sad. 
I. 

997
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Found it to not. 
I have a shoe but I can't talk 

998
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,800
about it. 
This is rough. 

999
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,320
I I would choose that shoe 
though. 

1000
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,560
Darn it, now that I'm thinking. 
About to ask him off. 

1001
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,600
Yeah, yeah, I'll ask him what 
what shoe it is off air. 

1002
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,480
And then I'll violate his DNA. 
Not his DNA, His Yeah, he's 

1003
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,920
going to violate my. 
DNA What are we doing here at 

1004
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,280
Doctors of Running? 
Geez. 

1005
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Oh my gosh. 
BJ, can we remove that comment? 

1006
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,560
That sounded so weird, I'm so 
sorry. 

1007
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,040
OK, I'm moving forward. 
To violate your moving on 

1008
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,320
violate your NDA, your non 
disclosure agreement, but. 

1009
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,200
Oh my God. 
Not to coast for both of us, all

1010
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,240
right? 
Let's pretend that didn't 

1011
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,120
happen. 
All right, Thank you. 

1012
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,800
All right, Dan from LinkedIn 
asks, are there any? 

1013
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,520
Oh, this is a great question. 
Are there any potential impacts 

1014
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,000
from all the shoes going toward 
higher stack heights, 40 to 45mm

1015
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,120
actually, And I'm going to add 
on to this that you didn't write

1016
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,600
this even higher than that. 
I feel once my go to shoe brand 

1017
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,960
started doing this, I started 
having a lot more issues with my

1018
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,840
hip. 
Could this be related to reduce 

1019
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,360
proprioception in higher stack 
shoes? 

1020
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:07,960
Can I start, David, you mind? 
So it's not just the higher, the

1021
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,480
reduced proprioception. 
We know that when you have a 

1022
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,840
higher stack shoe that since 
there's not going to be 

1023
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,640
flexibility to more material 
there, it's stiffer. 

1024
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,720
You have to really create a 
rocker geometry to get the thing

1025
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,520
go forward. 
And when you have very tall 

1026
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,640
rocker shoes, they reduce 
workload at the foot and ankle 

1027
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,040
and they move it up to the hip 
and the knee. 

1028
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,760
So it's not uncommon, especially
as you get softer shoes, higher 

1029
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,760
stack cut shoes that people will
feel like their hips are working

1030
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,320
harder, which can be great for 
some people. 

1031
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,360
But realize that there is no 
such thing as a shoe that fixes 

1032
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,560
injuries. 
All they do is shift load to 

1033
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,000
different areas. 
So if your hips aren't 

1034
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,480
conditioned to tolerate that, 
that's where you're going to 

1035
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,840
feel it. 
Just like on the opposite of the

1036
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,560
spectrum, when people switch to 
minimal shoes, when the barefoot

1037
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,960
movement started or one of the 
pit times it started that people

1038
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,240
are getting foot and ankle 
things, Achilles tendon 

1039
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,960
problems, foot stretch, right? 
Yeah, that's you just shifted 

1040
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,240
the load there. 
So that's where this is going. 

1041
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,440
The reduced proprioception. 
If you're on a really soft, 

1042
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,720
unstable surface, you're a hit. 
Like there's different 

1043
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,000
strategies that people use. 
There's an ankle strategy, hip 

1044
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,280
strategy, you know, stepping 
strategies, people. 

1045
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,360
If your foot is kind of confined
there, you are forced into a hip

1046
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
strategy, which is going to make
a lot of those smaller infected 

1047
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,160
muscles work a lot harder. 
So is that a good or bad thing? 

1048
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,120
Not necessarily. 
It means that you're just 

1049
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,240
changing the load. 
And if you have something where 

1050
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,280
you can't use as much of your 
ankle proprioceptors, you're 

1051
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,080
going to have to use other 
things to kind of catch and grab

1052
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,520
what some people can handle and 
some people either can't handle 

1053
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880
or need to condition themselves 
to do so. 

1054
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,920
Dave, what do you think? 
I like it. 

1055
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,520
I mean, yeah, you're going to 
have a slight change in your 

1056
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,560
loading profile on how you use 
your body. 

1057
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,800
That's just a given. 
When you have this kind of high 

1058
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,040
stack rocker shoes, you're going
to have a little bit more joint 

1059
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,400
stiffness. 
Like literally like your 

1060
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,520
contraction of your muscles 
around a given joint are going 

1061
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,280
to tighten up around it a little
bit more, which will kind of 

1062
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,640
change the way that you move. 
So it makes sense. 

1063
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,280
It's going to get moved away 
from your foot and ankle. 

1064
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,520
It's going to go up your hip and
knee. 

1065
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,800
Yeah, that's just another reason
for why things can happen. 

1066
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,240
But no, I mean, you said it 
really well. 

1067
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,280
I don't. 
I don't think there's really 

1068
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,880
much I can add on that. 
Right. 

1069
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,360
I think one of the interesting 
things when we started seeing 

1070
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,640
some of the early like super 
stack shoes and a lot of these 

1071
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,480
super racing shoes is that all 
of a sudden we went from having 

1072
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,640
a lot of like, like, and we 
still see this like Achilles 

1073
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,880
tendon stuff is was really, 
really common Patel femoral 

1074
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,800
stuff. 
All of a sudden you, I, I, 

1075
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,360
there's no research on this, but
I anecdotally found a huge 

1076
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,640
sudden increase in the number of
hamstring pathologies that 

1077
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,400
people were coming in when. 
And I was like, where are the 

1078
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,440
oh, because the workload gets 
shifted to the hip and how the 

1079
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,160
some of the geometry can 
accelerate how you're. 

1080
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,880
Footing and the sharp rockers. 
Is getting phase Yep, Yep, Yep, 

1081
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,080
Yep, Yep. 
So again, it just changes load. 

1082
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,120
Is that necessarily a bad thing?
I think it can be good for some 

1083
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,840
people. 
It's going to be not good for 

1084
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,240
others. 
So it'll just depend on where 

1085
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,800
things go are. 
And I think that's a great 

1086
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,400
transition to the next question,
which is Candace also on 

1087
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,240
LinkedIn asks, is there a point 
where stack heights just become 

1088
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,280
too high? 
And David, I'm going to throw 

1089
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,600
that your way because I 
answered, went on a tangent with

1090
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,400
that tangent, but went on a 
soapbox in the first one. 

1091
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,160
But do you think there is a 
point where stack heights can 

1092
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,800
become too high? 
No, I'll let them cook. 

1093
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,760
I'm just kidding, you know I 
think that's an answer that is 

1094
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,600
different for everyone, you 
know. 

1095
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,200
I mean cause the prime X strung 
2 is that close to 50 right? 

1096
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,720
Or they brought it down. 
Prime X Strong two I think was 

1097
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,720
right at 50. 
Version 3, which we haven't 

1098
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,800
tested yet, is also right at 
50mm, but I don't know if that 

1099
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,720
counts the insoles. 
So it's it's not, it's tall. 

1100
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,240
Yeah, I feel like for me, my 
tipping point is right around 

1101
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:47,760
probably 45 to 47 ish I but 
again, if I don't know, like 

1102
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,680
let's say they made a super 
blast 2 with that same foam and 

1103
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,200
made it 50, would that work? 
It probably would I I mean, it'd

1104
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,720
be heavier, like it wouldn't be 
the same shoe obviously, but 

1105
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,960
like could would it be runnable?
Probably. 

1106
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,400
I feel like the two is stable 
enough to wear five extra 

1107
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,560
millimeters probably would work.
I, I don't know, I think it's 

1108
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,040
such a personal question. 
I, I think there's a tipping 

1109
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,120
point for everyone. 
It's just that number could be 

1110
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,920
wildly different for someone 
who's very used to running in 

1111
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,520
like 30mm shoes, a 45 millimeter
shoes and feel like way too 

1112
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,160
much. 
A 40 might feel like too much, 

1113
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,200
you know, especially that he's 
throwing in like the 20s. 

1114
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,400
So I don't know, it's I, I, I 
just think there's a tipping 

1115
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,360
point for everyone. 
I don't know if there's a hard 

1116
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,360
line of like, OK, this is too 
far. 

1117
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,360
But as they get higher and 
higher, some of the stuff we 

1118
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,680
just talked about the, you know,
demands to stabilize your body 

1119
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,320
and use the mechanics, your bio 
mechanics in an efficient way 

1120
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,400
that makes sense gets harder and
harder to some degree just 

1121
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,400
because that lever arm gets 
further away from you. 

1122
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,360
So you have to generate more 
forces to stabilize yourself and

1123
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,920
do things. 
But I don't think that 

1124
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,480
inherently means this is too 
high, right? 

1125
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,480
Like I don't too high is such a 
interesting idea. 

1126
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,200
Like what is too high? 
It's like, but I think there's a

1127
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,320
tipping point for everyone do. 
You remember how tall the Mizuno

1128
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,360
River Railing Pro 3 is? 
It's more of athletics. 

1129
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,280
Lego Klein. 
It is technically, but I was, I 

1130
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,000
was going to the reason I'm 
bringing this up. 

1131
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,840
Yeah, tactically per running 
warehouse measurements, it's of 

1132
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,960
61 millimeters in the heel, 57 
in the forefoot. 

1133
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,680
And what I was going to say with
that is that it doesn't feel 

1134
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,840
that weird. 
And I think there is a point 

1135
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,120
though, when weight and geometry
are going to limit this. 

1136
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,280
I I can't say which company, but
I have tested, done some wear 

1137
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,320
testing for a company that had a
shoe that had a trainer that was

1138
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,200
60 millimeters in the heel and 
it just was not comfortable. 

1139
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,240
It was clunky. 
The transition was 

1140
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,240
uncomfortable. 
It really bugged my knee because

1141
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,200
the shoe is just so stiff and 
the rockers couldn't be extreme 

1142
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,520
enough to accommodate that. 
It was really heavy. 

1143
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,440
Like, yeah, it had a great foam 
under foot, but the the weight 

1144
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,000
offset this. 
So I think we are right now 

1145
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,000
limited by stack heights like 
understandings of geometry right

1146
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,080
now and weight because once you 
get these super stall stack 

1147
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:12,480
stack height shoes, they're 
heavy. 

1148
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,520
Like I the Primate strung 2 was 
great because it was a beast, 

1149
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,880
but it wouldn't be something I'd
ever racing. 

1150
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,200
And I was honestly like, while 
there were things I really loved

1151
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,120
about it, I was also insanely 
disappointed that it was not a 

1152
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,280
racing shoe anymore. 
Like I know it's the illegal 

1153
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,800
racing shoe, but it's a it was a
trainer. 

1154
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,120
It was too heavy to be 
considered for things to go fast

1155
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,240
and I couldn't get it to go fast
beyond maybe barely touching 

1156
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,360
marathon pace because it was so 
heavy, so large. 

1157
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,680
So I think that there's limiting
factors and there is a point 

1158
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,240
where shoes are too tall. 
But you're right, I think that's

1159
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,440
going to vary to purse to purse.
I think for me, my limit is in 

1160
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,800
the 40 to 50mm range. 
Above that starts to be like, 

1161
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,280
this is weird. 
And even the rebellion pro 3, 

1162
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,960
like great shoe. 
I wish it was lighter. 

1163
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,800
Like I'm like, there's too much 
shoe here. 

1164
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,200
I'm not getting that much more 
out of this than shoes that are 

1165
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,280
lower relative stack. 
I know it's legal, but I feel 

1166
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,200
like getting that weight down if
we had, yeah, it doesn't need to

1167
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,440
be that tall because there are 
certain people that, yeah, 

1168
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,360
there's a point that too much is
too much. 

1169
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,840
And I think finding the perfect 
balance of what works for the 

1170
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,320
individual runner is going to be
key. 

1171
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,000
And more isn't necessarily 
better, just like less isn't 

1172
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,160
necessarily better. 
Stiffer isn't necessarily 

1173
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,400
better. 
More flexible isn't necessarily 

1174
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,360
better. 
Better insanely responsive, not 

1175
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,080
responsive. 
It's finding that optimal 

1176
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,320
balance for the individual. 
It's key. 

1177
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,160
So yes, I think there is a too 
much and a too little. 

1178
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,920
All right, Chad Z from believe 
in the run is says if you had 

1179
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:49,680
oh. 
Gosh, I have the list up next to

1180
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,520
me too. 
So if you're watching and you 

1181
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,120
see my reaction, that's why he 
just skipped over. 

1182
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Do you want me to read it? 
No, no, we're going to get back 

1183
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,160
to the other one. 
I feel like that. 

1184
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,040
I thought that one was going to 
be a good one to end on Chad. 

1185
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,720
So it's about that one. 
OK, gotcha. 

1186
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,120
Should we go back to that one? 
No, no. 

1187
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,480
We need chads. 
What do you chads? 

1188
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,840
Man, Chad, yeah, David's going 
to love this question. 

1189
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,360
This is like for the Ogs who 
listen to this, this is the 

1190
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,520
classic like food type question,
right? 

1191
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,720
Or like, yeah, like, I don't 
know how to answer this, but all

1192
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,320
right, Chad, this is a great 
question. 

1193
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,280
I'll give you credit for this. 
Who says if you had to compare 1

1194
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,080
brand's midsole foam to a flavor
of ice cream, what would it be 

1195
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,080
and why? 
That is a great question. 

1196
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,480
And it just my brain stopped 
because I was like, I don't know

1197
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,240
how to answer that. 
David, you go. 

1198
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,680
As if I have, as if I have a 
prepared answer that is. 

1199
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,080
Chad, that's a great question. 
You'd like 1 brand. 

1200
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,400
Made my brain stop. 
Foam to a flavor of ice cream. 

1201
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,560
What would it be and why? 
So you got to pick a brand, you 

1202
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,080
got to pick a type of midsole 
and then compare that to an ice 

1203
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,400
cream, correct? 
Yes. 

1204
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:05,240
I'm partially thinking I'm going
to say Adidas Boost is Rocky 

1205
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:11,120
Road and it's not because Rocky 
Road, it sounds almost bad, but 

1206
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,480
I mean this in a in a 
complementary way. 

1207
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Rocky Road is surprisingly 
smooth, but it has textures and 

1208
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,120
it has things in it. 
And Adidas Boost was one of the 

1209
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,680
first times we saw a foam really
just get aerated and half actual

1210
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:29,040
texture to it and be beaded. 
So I'm going to say Adidas Boost

1211
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,240
is Rocky Road. 
What about you? 

1212
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,800
OK, I might challenge you 
because most of the inline 

1213
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,920
models don't use boost anymore. 
I know, but I just pick a 

1214
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,040
company in a foam. 
I'm within the rules. 

1215
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,600
It's yeah, we did Chad, like 
comment below if that exactly 

1216
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,000
counts. 
I feel like you need to like 

1217
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,840
current day current one foam. 
Current one. 

1218
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Let me think, let me think, Let 
me think. 

1219
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:50,760
Come back to me. 
OK. 

1220
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,600
I'm trying to think that's this 
is a great question. 

1221
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,000
I have a couple shoes sitting in
front of me so I'm wondering if 

1222
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,280
I. 
I'm like looking at all the 

1223
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,840
shoes I got to my left here as 
well. 

1224
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,960
I'm like trying to see if any of
those inspire me, but I'm not 

1225
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,680
sure. 
Oh, I mean, you could easily 

1226
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,240
take the, the cop out answer 
like there's a lot of like 

1227
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,320
nitrogen infuse like gaseous ice
creams that people are making 

1228
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,440
now and that could like that 
could parallel like any nitrogen

1229
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,560
infuse foam on the market. 
But that's, that's cheating. 

1230
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,280
That's just an easy way to get 
out of that answer. 

1231
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,680
You know what I'm going to, I'm 
going to, I'm going to take a 

1232
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:36,200
shot. 
So I really liked the gosh, the 

1233
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,200
arrow, the arrow glide 3 from 
Solomon and I thought the foam 

1234
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,720
was great and I feel like I have
their foams have sucked honestly

1235
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,560
for a while and they have not 
been up to par with the 

1236
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,240
exception of some of their super
shoes. 

1237
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,200
They're one super, the fast TASM
slab version 2. 

1238
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,920
It's not that they suck, it's 
just not up to par with where 

1239
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,800
the rest of the industry was. 
And it is. 

1240
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,280
And I feel like the energy foam,
the energy Evo, is it energy 

1241
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,280
foam EVO or energy EVO foam? 
I don't know. 

1242
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,880
But I feel like it, it is such a
better foam. 

1243
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,480
And when I put on the Glide 3, 
the reason I haven't gotten many

1244
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,680
miles on the Blaze is it's not 
quite stable enough for me at 

1245
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,560
the moment with a little bit 
more narrow platform. 

1246
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,600
I still appreciate it, but the 
foam is bouncing up. 

1247
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,320
It's like this is really fun to 
run it. 

1248
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,720
It's fun. 
It's simple. 

1249
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,160
It's not complex. 
It's not like a crazy plate in 

1250
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,560
there. 
It's just a shoe that you can 

1251
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,400
put on and go and enjoy your 
run. 

1252
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,360
And so for that reason, I'm 
going to say that foam reminds 

1253
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,960
me of mint chocolate chip ice 
cream. 

1254
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,520
And the reason it reminds me of 
that is because that's was my 

1255
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,720
favorite ice cream flavor as a 
kid. 

1256
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,360
And I feel like the foam is very
much like this. 

1257
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,280
You know what, this is simple. 
It's not the complex adulthood 

1258
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,640
that we have. 
Whether you're thinking about 

1259
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,600
bills and your progression and 
trying to raise a child and you 

1260
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,480
know, all this kind of stuff 
going on, it's just a simpler. 

1261
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,200
And so that's what mint 
chocolate chip reminds me of and

1262
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,840
that's what the phone reminds me
of because I think it's great. 

1263
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,720
It's got some bounce to it and 
you can just put it on and not 

1264
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,720
have to overly think about it 
and justice go for a run. 

1265
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,760
And I've really enjoyed it. 
And the gravel version of the 

1266
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Eric Glide 3 is also Bob. 
So Chad, I appreciate you help 

1267
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,920
me pull something out. 
I didn't know I added me. 

1268
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,440
So I I I think that's a great 
answer. 

1269
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,960
We'll see what the comments say.
No, it's terrible. 

1270
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,800
It's dumbest thing I've ever. 
It's one of your more thoughtful

1271
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,760
responses in the history of this
podcast. 

1272
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,280
I'm kidding. 
No. 

1273
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,600
In the history, no. 
In the history of answering 

1274
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,720
these questions, yes. 
No, that was good. 

1275
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,360
I like. 
Not bad with me sitting in a 

1276
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,680
garage that's 105° right now 
because I. 

1277
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,200
I think you're doing good, dude.
I don't, I don't know, man. 

1278
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,480
I'm trying to think like the 
last time I went and got like 

1279
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,680
ice cream. 
I don't, I I used to eat so much

1280
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:43,960
ice cream. 
I don't eat ice cream that much 

1281
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,800
anymore. 
I will say in Sherwood OR shout 

1282
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,920
out for those who are either are
close by or there's a place 

1283
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,880
called Handel's ice Cream that 
does handmade stuff and it is 

1284
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:00,240
bomb. 
I just got a animal cookie ice 

1285
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,080
cream from them. 
It is probably hands on my Beard

1286
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,880
ice cream right now. 
It's great if I ever get to have

1287
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,200
any, because once Isabella sees 
that I have this stuff, she's 

1288
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:15,320
like Iowa ice cream bees. 
I'm like, I have to share, like 

1289
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,760
I love you, you're my child. 
But I don't she's eaten my whole

1290
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,920
ice cream before. 
I'm like, I didn't get any cool.

1291
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Yeah. 
Come on, David, let's. 

1292
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:32,160
Let's go with ASICS Flight Foam 
Blast Plus. 

1293
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,760
Oh, OK. 
That's still in shoes. 

1294
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,080
Yeah, it's in a lot of them. 
Exactly. 

1295
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,720
I mean, I'm within your 
parameters now I'm gonna give it

1296
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:46,080
Java chip like like a coffee 
Java chip kind of flavor. 

1297
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,160
And the reason why is the coffee
flavor is it's common enough to 

1298
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:55,120
where it's a staple ish kind of 
flavor depending on where you 

1299
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,400
go. 
And the Java gives it just a 

1300
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,240
little bit of a punch. 
And the reason why is because 

1301
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,240
the Blast Plus is kind of a 
predictable, reliable foam. 

1302
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,880
It's been there for a while, but
it's got a little bit of spice 

1303
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,800
to it and that Java just gives 
it a little extra bounce, but 

1304
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,960
it's still kind of a very 
trainer friendly foam. 

1305
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,680
Yep, I would say that is a very 
good answer. 

1306
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Also very thoughtful. 
Nice job Chad, you got you 

1307
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,680
challenged us on that. 
I hope that BJ can edit out the 

1308
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,480
long awkward. 
Silences, we're trying to look 

1309
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,800
at our the air, like I don't 
even want to know what my face 

1310
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,560
look like during some of those 
moments. 

1311
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,200
I'm just like. 
Yep. 

1312
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:36,120
All right, so now the the man 
himself, the one and only block 

1313
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,920
from bowlingislife.com asks if 
you could make a three shoe 

1314
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,760
rotation using any shoes you've 
ever run in, what would it be? 

1315
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,960
And for those who don't know, 
Bach is actually a very, very 

1316
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,720
good bowler, by the way. 
So if you look at our like, if 

1317
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,920
you look at our YouTube watch 
history, it's either running 

1318
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,920
content or the suddenly random 
bowling content. 

1319
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,320
It's because Bach, whereas I'm 
someone who's so bad at bowling,

1320
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,280
I struggle even with the guide 
rails or the guard rails up. 

1321
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,040
Not guide rails. 
Yeah, Brooks. 

1322
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,560
Mine's so bad they need to have 
Brooks guide rails. 

1323
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,280
Oh man, in the shoes and guard 
rails in the lane to make sure 

1324
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,840
the ball actually stays on the 
thing. 

1325
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:19,040
So anyway, 3 shoe rotation using
any shoes you've ever run in. 

1326
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,480
What would it be? 
Yeah, I think so. 

1327
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,640
I actually did kind of prepare 
this one. 

1328
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,240
So this isn't entirely organic. 
When I was reading over the 

1329
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,680
episode before you asked me 
tomorrow and maybe the answer be

1330
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,120
different. 
But for right now, this is the 

1331
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,760
answer. 
And I, I'm going to preface this

1332
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,120
by saying there is a little bit 
of sentiment in this answer 

1333
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,560
because there's a shoe that's on
there now, which is partially 

1334
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,920
going off of my memory versus a 
shoe that I've actually worked 

1335
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,240
out in or done, you know, 
recently. 

1336
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,200
But I'll start off with my daily
trainer. 

1337
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,040
And this is one people are 
familiar with. 

1338
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,840
And for the my daily trainer, I 
just need something that's kind 

1339
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,240
of modern stack, just a little 
bit of guidance, A durable 

1340
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,240
workhorse that I can just rely 
to just get my miles in. 

1341
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,520
You probably know where I'm 
going with this, but this is 

1342
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,520
going to be the A6 GT 2013. 
It's just reliable. 

1343
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,640
Like it's nothing like insanely 
fancy about it. 

1344
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,440
You know, it's one of in the 
ASICS lineup of shoes, one of 

1345
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,360
the lower price point shoes. 
It's like what, 14145, something

1346
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,200
like that. 
And I mean, shoot, I probably 

1347
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,000
have 200 miles on this and it 
doesn't like I there's like not 

1348
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,360
even a dent on that thing. 
So yeah, that's like my my daily

1349
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,240
workhorse trainer. 
You have a guess on what my 

1350
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,360
lightweight trainer is for my 
workouts? 

1351
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,200
All right, here we go. 
The Skechers run all. 

1352
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,320
Time. 
Oh yeah, of course. 

1353
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,600
Yeah, I would say and that color
way and it. 

1354
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,080
Has to be the zebra color way. 
Yeah. 

1355
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,520
So I still have it. 
I haven't run in this specific 

1356
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,680
color way like that often. 
I have run in it. 

1357
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,840
I just this is kind of more the 
thing that I hold on to just 

1358
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,240
because like it's I don't know, 
it's a super cool color way and 

1359
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,560
it's like a shoe from the past 
that we haven't seen anything 

1360
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,400
like it in a while. 
The Cyclone comes pretty close. 

1361
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,480
I think in its own way it's 
still different, but this was a 

1362
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,320
shoe like Hyperburst that just 
come out like this infused C. 

1363
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,760
Like was it CO2 infused Eva at 
least at the time? 

1364
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,240
And it was like moderate to 
high, high stack height for the 

1365
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,240
weight at the time. 
It was like what, 36, I think 35

1366
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,880
or 36mm of stack. 
And the shoe was still sub 7 oz.

1367
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,320
It was like 6 1/2 oz. 
Just a thin Goodyear outsole. 

1368
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,400
It gripped decently well on the 
road. 

1369
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,680
It was responsive as a, you 
know, just a natural fitting 

1370
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,200
shoe and riding shoe and I would
do workouts from everything from

1371
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,480
fast track work to like actual 
long runs in. 

1372
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,880
And I was like, I think the idea
of the Razor 3 is still like 

1373
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,240
that's my light work like 
workout shoe for my performance 

1374
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,240
trainer. 
What you got? 

1375
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,680
All right, yeah, I'm trying to 
look stuff up. 

1376
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,240
I'm going to do some 
controversial things and then 

1377
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,240
controversial comments. 
I think for daily driver I'm 

1378
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:06,760
going to go with the key. 
Oh, I see. 

1379
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,800
I didn't. 
I didn't round up my rotation. 

1380
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,360
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. 
Did. 

1381
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,240
You finish, I thought. 
I thought you had a comment 

1382
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,280
about the razor. 
My bad. 

1383
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,520
Sorry, I was like I was looking 
up shoes on while you were 

1384
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,320
speaking. 
Like OK what? 

1385
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,920
What? 
OK, Yeah, yeah, I lost that my. 

1386
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,800
Thought it'll be quick. 
It's just a race shoe that's 

1387
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,440
blown me away this year and it's
the The Edge Tokyo. 

1388
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,200
I don't think that's any 
surprise to anybody. 

1389
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,080
This shoe has simply just gone 
bonkers in my world. 

1390
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,400
So I. 
Was kind of hoping you were 

1391
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,760
gonna. 
I know I don't think you have 

1392
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,040
it. 
They didn't let you keep it, but

1393
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,960
I was hoping you would say the 
metaspeed Ray. 

1394
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,840
Just so you get to the Internet 
trolls, that'd be great. 

1395
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,880
Yeah, to be like your ankles. 
That's my daily trainer. 

1396
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,200
For those who want some 
entertainment, please go watch 

1397
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,520
David's review of the better 
speed Ray, which where you, you,

1398
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,400
you get to see him running it 
and his ankle moves. 

1399
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,640
Obviously this midsole's so 
compliant ankle moves all over 

1400
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,440
The comment section is great. 
People were like, I would never 

1401
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,960
run in that shoe. 
Your ankles. 

1402
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,760
I've been doing this for 30 
years and I would I was like, 

1403
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,640
wow, they've got some engagement
there. 

1404
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,440
So if you want some good 
entertainment, some interesting 

1405
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,440
commentary, go go read the. 
Comments on that day we could 

1406
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,520
probably find a way to get some 
content out like of just daily 

1407
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,840
training in that shoe for no 
good reason at all. 

1408
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,840
And then is that what we should 
do at Doctor Running is now just

1409
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,560
like film content that, like, 
upsets people, just like, oh. 

1410
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,960
Like my? 
We are going to suggest. 100 

1411
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,040
easy miles in this 4 oz super 
shoe like. 

1412
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:39,800
The best, The best shoes to 
cause pronation, the best racing

1413
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,920
shoes to daily training. 
No, I'm just kidding. 

1414
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,800
All right, I think it that's a 
good roundup. 

1415
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,399
I will say so my my daily 
trainer, which I mentioned is 

1416
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,640
probably going to be the ASICS 
Keanu 32 right now, just because

1417
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,840
it's been a great shoe handles a
lot. 

1418
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,200
I'm just a little slightly noise
durability, but that also might 

1419
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,840
be my weird mechanics. 
Let's move on to the more not 

1420
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,840
controversial, but my my big 
sticking point. 

1421
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,520
My lightweight trainer would be 
the Adidas Audi 0, Tempo 5 and 

1422
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,080
Adidas. 
If any of you listen, please 

1423
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,120
bring. 
The tempo back, yeah, it's a 

1424
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,920
great. 
Shoot, I know, like I know sex 

1425
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,960
is that that that I know. 
Lightweight stability shoes are 

1426
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,640
not sex anymore, right? 
We've lost a lot of them. 

1427
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,439
Rest in peace. 
The DS racer. 

1428
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,680
The what was the E6? 
Why am I forgetting this? 

1429
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,200
It's been gone long enough. 
Not the Tartar. 

1430
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,720
There was a stability version of
the Tartar. 

1431
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,760
The Tartar at one point. 
Wait, you said it was what 

1432
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:33,479
company? 
ASICS. 

1433
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,560
It was ASICS. 
It was a lightweight. 

1434
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,760
And it wasn't the DS. 
It was not the DS race, it was 

1435
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,080
the DS trainer dot. 
That's. 

1436
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,479
What I was like, yeah, it was 
like the DS was the sheet that I

1437
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,800
was thinking of, so. 
Yeah, so DS trainer also is 

1438
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,840
gone. 
The tempo's gone, The Mirage 

1439
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,600
from Saucony's gone. 
Like there is a really solid 

1440
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,560
shoes, but the Tempo was 
awesome. 

1441
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,200
That was like AI. 
If I had one shoe, it would be 

1442
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:59,960
it would be that one. 
And that's what I used it for 

1443
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:02,240
when I when it was available. 
It was great. 

1444
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,640
It it was a great tempo shoe, 
was a great trainer. 

1445
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,440
It was probably too aggressive 
for most people for training, 

1446
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,000
but I'd love to see a stable 
Boston. 

1447
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,320
That'd be cool or like a tempo 
comeback. 

1448
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,440
But yeah, that the Tempo 5. 
I feel like the Tempo would be 

1449
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:15,360
my shoe. 
I I feel like that's like it's 

1450
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,720
got a long enough lineage. 
Like I'm just speaking out of my

1451
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,080
butt here. 
I don't have any inside 

1452
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,200
knowledge on this but I feel 
like that's something that could

1453
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,960
like I like as companies fall 
more and more into those retro 

1454
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,040
kind of patterns. 
If nothing else has a lifestyle.

1455
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,720
Shoot man, I don't even know 
anymore like. 

1456
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,240
All. 
These shoes are getting re 

1457
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,560
released like 15 years later 
with the lifestyle model. 

1458
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,440
Like yeah, it'd be nice if they 
updated the phones though 'cause

1459
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,800
they the re releases are not 
usually very comfortable to be 

1460
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,760
honest. 
And then man. 

1461
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,960
So obviously ASICS Med speed 
edge Paris, it would be a go to,

1462
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,240
but I'm going to change this up 
and I'm going to either go. 

1463
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,320
I don't have the mechanics to 
handle this. 

1464
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,080
Should actually have a pair 
still from the Zuna wave 

1465
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,120
Universe 4. 
What I'm actually going to go 

1466
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,880
with is the Skechers go run 
Elite. 

1467
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,800
Speed Elite. 
I love it. 

1468
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,120
I love that pic. 
That shoe, it was awesome. 

1469
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,800
That was the shoe that I ran my 
PR marathon in that I had two 

1470
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,080
weeks notification because 
Regina and my wife signed me up 

1471
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,320
because I was complaining about 
getting slow and ran at 2:32. 

1472
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,400
Speed a lead. 
That's fun. 

1473
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,520
I wish I never got rid of it. 
It was a great shoe. 

1474
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,080
Yeah. 
Well, as you were talking, by 

1475
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,840
the way, I was looking that shoe
up going, hey, there's still 

1476
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,080
models on eBay that you can 
find. 

1477
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,040
I don't. 
Know if they're we don't need 

1478
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:27,600
ebays. 
But. 

1479
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:35,720
I'm going to tell you that. 
I just want to see if there's a 

1480
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,640
size 10. 
There's one for $80.00. 

1481
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,200
I don't know how much what size 
is, but it that was a great 

1482
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,800
shoe. 
I would love, I would love to 

1483
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:50,200
see a newer version of that and 
Skechers, you guys put out some 

1484
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,280
interesting stuff. 
I'd like to see it like the new 

1485
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,640
stuff is interesting. 
It's a really big change. 

1486
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,000
If I could ask you one thing is 
that bring the speed elite back 

1487
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,400
and honestly like just update 
it. 

1488
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,200
It can be the same. 
Leave the key compose. 

1489
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,280
It can be the same or like just 
add a newer level foam. 

1490
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,800
It's a fun shoe, but like. 
Yeah, Hyperburst ice that maybe.

1491
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,360
That was, yeah. 
Hyperburst ice, Yeah or what is 

1492
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,240
hyperbar is ice. 
It's an expanded. 

1493
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:20,120
I don't know exactly it's a. 
Egg foam, Yeah, it's. 

1494
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,320
Definitely an infused foam. 
It's it's a super critical foam.

1495
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:28,120
And some of them it's different 
in the different models we have.

1496
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,160
So I don't actually know because
some of them are tuned to be 

1497
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,680
like kind of more bouncy and 
some are more more like 

1498
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:38,000
compliant and structured. 
Yeah, I don't know exactly. 

1499
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,720
Was there a Skechers go run 
elite 2? 

1500
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,680
I don't no, there wasn't All 
right, Skechers, we're asking 

1501
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,240
for a girl on Elite 2 speed 
Elite 2. 

1502
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,440
That was sweet. 
I think it was a great episode. 

1503
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,200
All right, so on that note, 
we're going to end here. 

1504
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:57,160
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1505
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,240
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1506
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,360
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1507
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,920
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1508
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,800
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1509
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,120
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1510
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,320
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1511
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,400
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1512
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:20,320
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1513
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,960
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1514
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,400
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1515
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,360
We always really appreciate you 
listening again, we do this 

1516
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,720
because we really enjoy it and 
because our goal is to help 

1517
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,840
educate you. 
Our goal is never to sell you a 

1518
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,040
pair of shoes. 
It is to help you understand the

1519
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,320
mechanics and stuff behind the 
shoe, learn more about your body

1520
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,280
and how you interact with the 
shoe. 

1521
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:44,560
So if you are going to by 1, you
can make some better decisions. 

1522
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,200
Because honestly, we want you to
stay healthy, enjoy your run, 

1523
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,680
not necessarily need us, but at 
least benefit from the education

1524
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,000
so you can stay healthy. 
Because as PTS, desperate, real 

1525
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,440
poor and hope that you are 
enjoying the journey along with 

1526
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,040
us because we are learning just 
as much as you are.