1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 We didn't know that we were going to be writing a love 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:03,040 letter to Subaru, but here we are. 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,520 Today on that car show, it's me, it's Lindsay, and it's our press 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,480 car showdown. We've driven so many cars 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,160 recently. We talk about them all. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,320 We pick a few winners and maybe even a loser or two. 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,240 Stay tuned. This is a good one. 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,800 It's that car show. Welcome back to that car show. 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,400 I'm Lindsay and this week Ryan and I are hanging out and we 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,160 have a crew show with a little bit of a different spin because 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,760 between the two of us, we have driven an absolutely ridiculous 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,520 number of cars over the last few months. 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Between press loans, which are a week long loan of the car to us 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,920 and then automotive media events where at least for both of us, 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,400 we've driven groups of cars, many cars over one day or two 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,120 days. So we have a lot to talk about 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,640 and we thought we'd do something a little different. 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,920 We're going to put our press cars up against each other and 19 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,760 then at the end we'll crown, let's see, 10 winners. 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,040 We may add some categories as we go along, completely arbitrary, 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,120 but of course extremely important categories. 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,600 So yeah. Funny funny thing, Lindsay, when 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,760 these companies give you cars to drive, they they expect you to 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,920 create content, right And so. Right. 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,520 They would like a little coverage or discussion. 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,520 A. Few boxes and and much like you, 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,360 there are there are cars that surprise me one way or the 28 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,520 other, right? Right. 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,200 And I think that's the most fun. Shockers. 30 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Right, like who's you know at least or not The not the least 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,160 surprise will be us probably. But yeah, I think that's what 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,000 keeps it interesting too, is when you're getting into like a 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,600 new press car, either knowing you're going to spend the week 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,560 with it or you have 30 minutes, or you have however many, you 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,240 know, 20 minutes, whatever. A lot of times you think you 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,280 know how you're going to feel about it or you have a 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,040 preconceived notion. And I think what I have started 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,360 really paying attention to, especially when it's an event 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:09,199 where you're driving, you know, 8/10/15 cars in one day is what 40 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,280 stands out. Or like, what is the car where 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,320 you find yourself going like, oh, I have to get out of this 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,000 one and go drive 6 more, but I really just want to keep driving 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,120 this one. Or oh, 30 minutes was too long 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,440 with that one and I really thought I was going to fall in 45 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,120 love with it. So I think that's what keeps it 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,720 interesting. And it's one thing I have found 47 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,200 too. And I don't know if you find 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,120 yourself doing this and it's purely by chance, but whatever 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,040 you have turned in you, you sort of naturally find yourself 50 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,600 comparing to the next one. Yes, yes, yes, it's. 51 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,320 You know, and sometimes they're very different from each other. 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,520 So it's like it's not a comparison, but it colors or it 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,800 informs, shall I say, how you feel about whatever comes next. 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Yeah, it's kind of like dating. There are flings here, right? 55 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,680 There are, I think that's the classy way of putting it, right? 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,360 Exactly. There are long term 57 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,200 relationships and there are longer term relationships. 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,160 And you know, some cars, I think you, you know, to your point, 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,560 some cars that drive exactly like you think they're going to 60 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,000 drive, right, right. And others that drive nothing 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,920 like you think they're going to drive and like. 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Good and bad where you're like, I did not imagine falling in 63 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,200 love with this. I mean, again, much like dating. 64 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Like no, no. And much like dating, money 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,520 factors into it. And the expensive cars are 66 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,320 oftentimes not the ones you want to marry, right? 67 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,080 So, right, I don't want to turn this into a big game of, you 68 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,960 know, kill, Yeah, but it's kind of like, maybe that's what we 69 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,480 should do with these. But I know I'm like we have just 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,520 spontaneously changed our. Let's stick to the original, 71 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,680 original plan, but. Save that, we can consider that 72 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,320 for maybe a future episode if we want to go there. 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,160 That's that'll be the after hours episode. 74 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,640 We're all drunk. But but yeah, it's, it's 75 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,600 interesting because you know, you mentioned, you know, some of 76 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,160 these we, we had, you know, press cars are usually given to 77 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,320 us for a week. Right. 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Standard press loan is a week long, yeah. 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,320 Yeah, and you're given roughly 500 miles unofficially and you 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,680 know, sometimes then we'll, you know, I've been known for taking 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,120 them, you know, couple 1000 miles, right, holidays, that 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,720 kind of thing. Yeah, you have been lucky to 83 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,360 like do some real Rd. tripping in them, which is pretty 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,760 special. Those are the ones at the end of 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,520 their press fleet lives right where they like. 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,120 They don't care anymore. Like you know what? 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,520 Sure. You mentioned you know these 88 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,080 press, these group drives that we do. 89 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,080 I'm a part of the Rocky Mountain Automotive press great group. 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Give them a shout out. You are a member of. 91 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,440 I can never. Remember Question. 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,600 Automotive Press Association, otherwise known as NAWAPA. 93 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:46,920 Nawapa. Yes, which they do fantastic. 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,760 I know, right. Please, if you have NAWAPA for 95 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,960 more than four hours, please consult a medical professional. 96 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,640 That's it. Now that we've gotten the 97 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,320 disclaimer out of the way and we've kept legal happy. 98 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,200 Yeah, yeah. So they do events, I mean, and I 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,560 think it's similar ish. And we've had some like cross 100 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,040 pollination with some of the manufacturer reps where they've 101 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,880 run into you and then the next week they're with me and that's 102 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,320 always fun. But. 103 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,000 You'll you'll find that people often times glom on like the 104 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,480 journalists, like everyone sort of by the end of the day is 105 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,120 trying to drive that one car or those two cars again. 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,440 And the others sit sort of forlorn, forlornly I think is 107 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,040 the word, you know, off of the corner somewhere. 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,360 But but yeah, that's just a little explanation of what these 109 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,160 are. It's a chance to to have short 110 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,080 stints or flings with lots of different cars. 111 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,080 What is it Speed dating? That's speed dating some. 112 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,840 Speed dating. Yeah. 113 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,080 Well, and it's been interesting because I did, you know, we've 114 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,320 talked about, I went to the NAWAPA event in the spring, 115 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,000 which is called Mudfest because it is often quite muddy. 116 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,200 And that one is a different format than the event that they 117 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,320 just had. Their fall event is called Drive 118 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,400 Revolution, and that one was created to showcase electric 119 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,760 vehicles, but they have both internal combustion and electric 120 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,600 and hybrids and all manner of events. 121 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,160 But the format is very different because Mudfest, it's like first 122 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,600 come, first serve in a friendly way because you just go, the 123 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,440 cars are lined up and you just go and everybody grabs what they 124 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,040 need. And you, it's on you to make 125 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,560 sure that you have driven every vehicle. 126 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Because that's one of the, you know, tenets of the event is the 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 manufacturers are going to the trouble to bring them. 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,880 And the journalists are expected to experience all of them, which 129 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,840 is. And you probably vote, right. 130 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,120 And because we're voting too. Yeah. 131 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,680 So it needs to be an informed vote, obviously. 132 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,520 But for Drive Revolution, you get a 30 minute stint with each 133 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,280 car and you have a schedule. And so, you know, exactly like, 134 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:38,720 OK, I'm in this, next, I'm in this. 135 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,680 So it's a different set up, you know, and obviously you could 136 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,640 get more time, you could go back to a car. 137 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,960 At the end of the day, they're willing to make that happen. 138 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,400 But yeah, it's very different than getting to live with a car 139 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,040 for the week. Also, let's just stop for a 140 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,240 moment and think back to our 12 year old selves and if our 12 141 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,480 year old selves knew that someday car companies would be 142 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,240 dropping cars off at your home and then inviting you to events 143 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,520 where you know you can just do whatever you want. 144 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,880 You know, your little heart desires with their their fleet. 145 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,560 It's pretty cool. So we're very fortunate and and 146 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,360 you know, it's a responsibility. I I think we don't take lightly. 147 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,680 We want to keep these cars coming. 148 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,080 That said too, I think we have some some real authentic insight 149 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,600 into these cars right that. Yeah. 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Again, maybe some surprises so. Yeah, it's been funny. 151 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Like I've been lucky to get some press loans in Southern 152 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,200 California when I'm with my family. 153 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,920 And so it's been funny. At some point, I think, you 154 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,840 know, the third or fourth car had been dropped off or picked 155 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,440 up or whatever, and people were kind of taking me aside and 156 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,240 going like, all right, what is, how are you doing this? 157 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Why are they just giving you these cars? 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Yeah, it's, it's it's it's a hack. 159 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 I guess right, but that. Said, you know, we do create 160 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,720 content with this stuff and, and, but we've had so many 161 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,560 lately, we just figured it's time to actually do a show 162 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,520 dedicated to these things. Solely pressed cars, I know and 163 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,120 like you said, I mean, this is something that's I think we've 164 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,760 all been working towards. And so it's you have these 165 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,200 moments of like, wait, we're there. 166 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,800 We did it. Yeah. 167 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,720 Yeah. You know, and like I was really 168 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,440 lucky to drive a press car to and from Drive Revolution, which 169 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,120 was in Portland. So I got to spend, you know, 170 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,040 about 8 hours in it there and back. 171 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,120 And like, like you've done, you know, this was more of a mini 172 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,400 road trip to, compared to what you do, but really got some good 173 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,680 time in it. And that was one of the cars 174 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,000 where I went. You know, I had the opportunity 175 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,799 to switch cars at the event and drive back in a different one, 176 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,760 and I said, you know what, I really love the one that I had, 177 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,080 so I'm gonna drive that one back and then I'll get the other one 178 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,000 the next. Day, yeah, absolutely. 179 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,440 And in Full disclosure, you know, these cars are dropped off 180 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,360 with a full tank. We return them generally with a 181 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,240 full tank, right? Or with an EV you know. 182 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,440 Try to be good citizens. Try. 183 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,240 To be good citizens, keep them clean. 184 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:55,960 You know, first start getting these cars. 185 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,240 I would like wash them, you know, before I return them. 186 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,920 Oh yeah. I would take it and vacuum it 187 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:01,440 out, yeah. They're vacuumed out. 188 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,880 I will say, I will say that. But any case, we're very lucky 189 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,720 and really, you know, between the two of us, we've driven a 190 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,200 pretty wide spectrum of stuff, you know, from pretty workaday 191 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,560 stuff, you know, budget minded stuff to some some damn near 192 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:14,480 exotic stuff. So. 193 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,120 So where do we start? We get into it. 194 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,680 I know, I know. Well and I know we talked about, 195 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:22,240 you know, several of the ones that we've had over the summer 196 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,880 in the last few months when we had Lynn Woodward join us over 197 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,480 the summer. So this is we're kind of picking 198 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,480 up where we left off with Lynn because the cars have kept 199 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,800 coming, which we're thrilled about. 200 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,440 Yeah. I mean we've had so the press 201 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,600 cars that I've had, so the week long loans, I had the Genesis 202 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,880 G80, the Lucid Air, the Ionic 5 from Hyundai. 203 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,720 I had the Mazda CX5 that was the one that I Rd. tripped to 204 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Portland. I had the Honda Tucson pH EV or 205 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,280 P Hib. I'm not sure how they're doing 206 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,720 that. The Mazda 3 hatchback, Mazda 207 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:01,240 CX90 which is the three row SUV and then the Acura Integra and 208 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,440 then Ryan. Which ones have you had for your 209 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,360 week long? Yeah, so I've had a chance to 210 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,840 drive most of those, some of them just at press events, week 211 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,760 long stuff recently. The Subaru Trail Seeker, this is 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,400 their EV that's kind of like an electric Forrester or Outback 213 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,120 for a but we'll get into that. I have a lot of. 214 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,320 Thoughts on the trail Seeker 1? Is that one a three row? 215 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,000 I don't think so, no, no. And I, I should probably have 216 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,520 the the Subaru, which probably bring up the web page because 217 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,240 there are so many models and there's so much crossover, no 218 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,160 pun intended. And and so there's also a larger 219 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,680 car, but but yeah, interesting thing the the BRZTS manual. 220 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,360 So the TS is the track prepped BRZ. 221 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,440 This one was manual if they're all manual in TS form or not. 222 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,480 But it's got the big Brembo brakes and some other toys. 223 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,000 I really enjoyed that. I've got the Outback wilderness 224 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 currently. Fantastic. 225 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,480 Let me correct. I had the forester because I'm 226 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,640 I'm struggling picking them out in a in a line up. 227 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,520 Well, we both had the Forester Wilderness. 228 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,240 Early we had that earlier as well that's that that's right 229 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,640 that's right had the genesis G90 prestige black the last time I 230 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,640 was in LA had the Toyota 4 runner trail hunter and I've got 231 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,520 some some strong opinions both ways on that had that for a long 232 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,080 term and we. Both had that, actually. 233 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,680 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's. 234 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,680 Right. That's, that's compare notes on 235 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:32,360 that. Yeah. 236 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,360 I was also of course on the Colorado Grand about a week ago 237 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,080 and managed the AMG fleet that Mercedes-Benz. 238 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,080 Fantastic, the. Sponsor brings so that had. 239 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Quality time with them. Everything from the lowest end 240 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:51,440 of AMG, the CLA45 AMG up through the SL 63 E performance. 241 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,800 This is the hybrid that's got close to 1100 LB feet of torque 242 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,600 and I think 800 and some odd horsepower. 243 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,920 So any case that that's our baseline, that's kind of what 244 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,160 we're working with here. What's our first category? 245 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,040 OK, so first category, well, let's do let's see. 246 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,800 OK, so first category is best internal combustion vehicle. 247 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:21,160 So the BRZTS, the GR Corolla, yeah, the Mazda MX5 Miata, the 248 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Acura Integra, which is a manual as well. 249 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,120 Super fun. Oh man, that's. 250 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,760 A good yeah. And the Genesis G80, the Genesis 251 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,240 G90, the 4 Runner Trail Hunter, the Ram TRX and the Dodge 252 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,200 Charger. So those are those are the 253 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,160 contenders for the best internal combustion vehicle, exclusively 254 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,960 internal combustion. Yes, yes. 255 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,680 So yeah, what are your thoughts? I really love that Integra. 256 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,880 That's the one I would I would bring home. 257 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,880 That's the one I would marry. It's got one of the best manual 258 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,200 transmissions in the world. It is a car like it. 259 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:02,640 We forget how good cars are. We're so used to like, you know, 260 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,000 being these jacked up SUV's and crossovers. 261 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,880 A good car. There's nothing better than just 262 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,760 a good car with a good manual transmission. 263 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,720 A sport sedan, if you will. A term you don't see or don't 264 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,880 hear that that often anymore, right? 265 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,200 That's a that's a car I've priced out like that's a car I I 266 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,960 would buy if I had to have one car that would do it all. 267 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,920 I think it would be that one. I think a very close second is 268 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,160 that GR Corolla for many of the same reasons. 269 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,320 The Acura is just much more refined. 270 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,920 It's a much more refined experience. 271 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,480 The GR Corolla, I think would be almost more of a weekend car, 272 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,800 right? For sure. 273 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,400 But those are the two in that list that that really stood out 274 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,280 for me. What about? 275 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,440 You. So first place for you would be 276 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,560 the Acura Integra and then second place would be the. 277 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,600 I think so. Are you looking for a third 278 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,320 place as well? No, I mean we can. 279 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,840 Do you have a? 3rd 2 that. 280 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,000 You wanted to. What are my options again? 281 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:54,760 Let me look. Let me. 282 00:13:54,760 --> 00:14:01,840 Look PRZ yeah, GR Corolla, the MX5 Miata, Integra, G80G90, 283 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Trail Hunter, the 4 Runner Trail Hunter, TRX and the Charger. 284 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,080 So I have thoughts on on all those cars we can get detail. 285 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,080 But if I had to pick a third place, give me that Genesis G90 286 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,000 that I had out in LA. That is, it's like an S class. 287 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 It's like a, you know, a budget Bentley. 288 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,680 It's just a great thing to to just bounce around LA and it's 289 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,880 big. It's quiet, it softly sprung, it 290 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,880 has a kicking audio system. You know, it's it's like kind of 291 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,560 all the all the good things about something like an S class, 292 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,560 but without any of the hang ups of the badge, right. 293 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,760 I think most people still don't know what a Genesis is. 294 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,240 No, it's very. Still. 295 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,160 So it's kind of like you want to fly under the radar. 296 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,160 Yeah, yeah. So yeah, That that that's a car 297 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,520 that I secretly enjoy. Well, not so secretly enjoy. 298 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,840 I've gone on about how. Much publicly and lovely. 299 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,520 Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's just a car I 300 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,040 would probably never buy because it's just but you know, maybe in 301 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,440 my retirement years. That said, I don't know if I was 302 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,720 like a Hollywood agent, like her own Michael Lasas, that would 303 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,960 sort of be the that would be kind of the the low key card of 304 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:08,600 that. Would be the move. 305 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,360 That would be the move, right? You know, you make no apologies 306 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,680 for it. You know, it's it's it's a 307 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,200 pretty cool thing. But yeah, those are probably the 308 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,680 three that stick out as most memorable to me. 309 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:21,320 What? What about you? 310 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,680 Yeah, I realize looking at the list I am going to need a first, 311 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,200 second and third option. And one thing you know, looking 312 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,400 at the G80 and the G90 reminded me that when the G80 was being 313 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,600 dropped off, I had it over the summer and I had it and they I 314 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,600 was trying to find the color because it was like it was the 315 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,880 best combination. I had it and it was a light Gray 316 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Vatina Gray with Sevilla red interior. 317 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And holy cow, that is not the 318 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,160 ultimate color combination because it's again, it's very 319 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,600 stealth. It looks lovely and elegant on 320 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,960 the outside. And then you open the door and 321 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,440 see that red interior and I just every time I open the door, I 322 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,320 smiled and you just feel like you are in a very special space. 323 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,480 So just from the start, yes before you even start driving 324 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,080 it, you're like, this is this is pretty special. 325 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:18,200 And I think it's worth noting that when the the person from 326 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,960 the fleet company was dropping it off, he said, you know, and 327 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,160 they get to drive anything and everything all the time, all day 328 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,840 long. That is their job to drive cars. 329 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,040 So he said of all the cars that we get to drive, Genesis is 330 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,880 killing it. He's like, anytime I find out 331 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,200 that I'm going to be moving a Genesis, I am excited and the 332 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,680 they are so impressive. They're doing such good work 333 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,320 like and I think you like to your point, they're not really 334 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,200 getting the attention yet. I think people are starting to 335 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:54,040 catch on, but it's such a special product and you know. 336 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,160 I will say. They look great. 337 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Yeah, I have not spent any time in the G80, but the G90 I've 338 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,000 I've had the pleasure of having for extended periods a few Times 339 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Now and I would argue that's probably a better car to be 340 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,920 driven in than to drive. I thought I was picturing this. 341 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,079 Like powertrain's not the most exciting thing. 342 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,520 It's forwarded horsepower, but it's, you know, it's, it's not 343 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,480 where you buy that car, right? Yeah, that's a car. 344 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,319 You're in that, that, that back passenger seat, right? 345 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,520 You know, you got your feet up, your kickback, you got a massage 346 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,760 going. You've got the, you know, the 347 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,600 ventilation going. You know, you're, you're, you're 348 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,840 inhaling the the perfume, the fragrance. 349 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,520 That the cars. Chugging out, I mean that is 350 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,600 that is it's just that it's it's so different right from most 351 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:46,080 cars in, you know, in 2026, right short of like an S class 352 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,280 or. Yeah, you know, it's a, it's a 353 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,560 statement automobile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 354 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,040 Yeah. You know which there are not a 355 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,960 ton of like that. No, no. 356 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,400 But there's a mystery around it because no one's quite sure what 357 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,720 it is. And you're not dealing with any 358 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,480 of the hang ups, the badge hang ups, right? 359 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,440 The prejudices of, of something like a, like a Bentley or 360 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,400 something. But it is so close to that 361 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,560 experience in so many ways. And you know, it's it's a third 362 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,080 of the price or half the price, so. 363 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,800 Fantastic option. OK, so my so first, second and 364 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:24,000 third place this is it's tough. OK so 1st place I have to go 365 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,880 with the Ram T Rex. OK. 366 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,640 And I'll admit I've not driven that. 367 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,120 And so I want to get it exactly right. 368 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:37,240 So I drove the Ram 1500 TRXSRT. OK, I've not spent any time in 369 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,680 that so. So I had ridden in one like one 370 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,080 or two generations prior to this and experienced the acceleration 371 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,800 and the turbo wine and the whole thing, which is just 372 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,280 intoxicating. Yeah. 373 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,080 So I was very, very excited to get to drive this one. 374 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,640 And you know, it's got this amazing. 375 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,640 What's the paint called? Serrano Green Metallic paint is 376 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,920 just, it's this like army green metallic. 377 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,840 Fantastic. I know the one that's great on 378 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,240 the truck, you know, and then you get. 379 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,000 Scott, are you listening? I know Scott and Scott. 380 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,520 Your boy needs a week. Yeah, yeah, right. 381 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:12,840 In this. In green. 382 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,920 Probably the green 1, so you know, and you get in and the 383 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,800 interior is it's very intuitive. There's a lot of analogue like 384 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,120 just buttons that do what you know they're going to do. 385 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,960 And even the screen and the interface was very intuitive. 386 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,320 And then then you start driving it and the turbo wine, I was 387 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,680 just like, yes, like I need this in Turbo. 388 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,960 Or supercharged. Supercharged, sorry. 389 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:39,880 Supercharged. OK. 390 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,560 Supercharger. Yes, I mean it. 391 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,120 Just like the only problem is that I would. 392 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,000 It sounds so fantastic I would probably be flooring it 393 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,680 everywhere. Which? 394 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Yeah. Do you drive like an asshole? 395 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,280 Is that the problem? No, like I'm very careful to be 396 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,800 like moderated, but like, you know, when there's an 397 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,120 opportunity, you step on it so that you can. 398 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,880 Enjoy, right? I bet or you create your own 399 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,040 opportunity. Who's to say? 400 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,960 But you know, and I'm used to driving a full size pickup 401 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,040 truck. And so I was, I was like, this 402 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,240 is kind of the best of both worlds because it's the truck, 403 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,960 you know, set up that I'm very familiar with and very 404 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,360 comfortable in. Like I drove this truck during 405 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,960 the Drive Revolution event. So it was part of a day where I 406 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,920 was driving a bunch of different cars and I got in, I went, OK, 407 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,320 you know, like this is something I'm very comfortable in and used 408 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,760 to. And it was the only full size 409 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,960 truck. It was the only truck there. 410 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,400 And then you add in the supercharger and the interior is 411 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,760 lovely. And I was like, I just want to 412 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,320 keep driving this. So that that's something that if 413 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,240 it's in a day of a bunch of different cars or something 414 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,120 grabs you like that, you go, OK, that's like pay attention to 415 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,120 that. And I think, I think if you 416 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:02,920 needed one car and now the one that I drove was specked at 417 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,080 $108,000 or that was the price on the sticker. 418 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,120 So it's not a cheap, it's a lot. Of money. 419 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:12,920 Lindsay, Josh. It's a lot of money, but and 420 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,080 Scott Brown and I were talking about this at the event. 421 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,360 Yeah, it's one vehicle that does everything because you have the. 422 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,120 Performance, it's a lot of vehicle. 423 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,080 It's a ton of vehicle. You can take 5 people 424 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,800 comfortable. You could take five adults 425 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,600 because of the way they've designed the cab. 426 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,440 There's so much leg room even in the back seat. 427 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,960 All of this, you have the utility of a pickup truck, which 428 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,560 I have said before with even with my truck, like it was 429 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,680 purpose built or you know, bought to do one thing. 430 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,560 And I keep discovering even now how useful it is. 431 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,560 And you know, and then you have like the supercharger and it's 432 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,320 super fun. And so you have all of that in 433 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,800 one car. So that's my first choice. 434 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,080 Secret confession. I had never driven a pickup 435 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:03,200 truck until I drove a Ram and this was a few years ago on a 436 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,760 press event. This was not the TRX I was so 437 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,960 impressed with. Yes, the thing just as a 438 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,640 vehicle. I wouldn't want one if I lived 439 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520 in Manhattan or downtown Chicago. 440 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,360 Or something. Like that, it's not the vehicle 441 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:20,520 for those, you know, an urban. There are plurios that are not 442 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,440 as suited to. It yeah, no, but for but I get 443 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,440 it now. It had one of the best rides 444 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080 I've ever experienced. Plenty of room. 445 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,080 It was just so damn usable, right. 446 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,640 And you had this like, you know, it just was a great vehicle. 447 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,440 It's such a well engineered thing. 448 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,720 It doesn't really suit my personality and I'm not used to 449 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,640 driving a full size truck every day. 450 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,320 I, I just, even though I'm a big oaf, I like smaller cars, you 451 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,040 know, and that is a big oaf of a truck we're all about. 452 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,960 Contract here. I think Ram is making the best 453 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,160 trucks and I bet that is the best of the breed. 454 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,120 I just need to spend a week in one. 455 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Yeah. Stalantis. 456 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Hello. Yeah. 457 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,120 So. So that's my first choice. 458 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,280 Yeah. I agree with everything you 459 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,680 said. And obviously, I mean, there 460 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,200 are, you know, like when I would drive my truck in downtown 461 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,400 Seattle, there were times where I was like, this truck is too 462 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,960 big for like this parking garage or whatever. 463 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,520 So you have to be aware. But, you know, if you're you 464 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,320 learn, Yeah, you learn really fast. 465 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,440 There was one that I pulled into years ago, pulled into it and 466 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,800 went to go around, you know, the end of one of the rows. 467 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,760 And I was like, I don't actually know if I can get out of here. 468 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,040 This is going to take some doing. 469 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,360 It was, it was like, you know. Inevitably, there are three 470 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,000 people behind you and you know. Pedestrian, but I made it out. 471 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,640 Yeah, yeah. Everybody was unscathed, but it 472 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,920 was a good lesson of like, maybe check more, at least you're. 473 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,320 Probably not going to curb a wheel. 474 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,400 No, no, there is that. OK, so my second choice on this 475 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:56,320 list #2 is the Acura Integra. Again, I think I'm gravitating 476 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,160 towards sort of these multi purpose vehicles. 477 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:05,440 And I really love that this one is a fantastic option for 478 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,120 somebody that's an enthusiast and either has children or is in 479 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,560 a job where they might be picking up clients or burying, 480 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,840 you know, Co workers or whatever. 481 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,960 Because it's a lovely, elegant car. 482 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480 It makes a wonderful first impression or makes a great 483 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,120 impression. You could be proud to take it 484 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,440 anywhere. It's kind of like, you know, 485 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,800 Lynn was talking about the Defender where it's a lovely, 486 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520 elegant thing to show up in and then you can also take it off 487 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,560 road. And I think that's the same 488 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,160 criteria or same, you know, conclusion with the Integra in 489 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,240 the sense of like, you could definitely take this to a very 490 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,480 fancy event or a client meeting or any kind of, you know, 491 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,880 professional setting. But you also, because it's a 492 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,080 manual, you have this very fun car. 493 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,800 Yeah. And also take your children in 494 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,760 it if you need to. Yeah. 495 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,120 And there aren't a lot of manual sedans on the market today. 496 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,040 Like we looked it up earlier and the M3. 497 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:08,080 So it's not trying to be an M3. No, it is back in the day when I 498 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,160 had like, you know, I don't know, my first or second real 499 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:16,000 job and I was stepping up from my my Volvo S40 to three series 500 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,640 or an A4 end up going with an A four 2.8 manual right. 501 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,360 So I couldn't afford the S4, but was also not trying to be the 502 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:27,240 S4, but yet it could almost keep up with an S4 and it it it 503 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,000 scratched that that enthusiast hitch, but it was also a a 504 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,200 classy solution again to to picking up a client or picking 505 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,440 up a date or that kind of thing. It was just those cars used to 506 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,880 be everywhere. There used to be so many cars in 507 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,280 that segment. There are fewer now. 508 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,640 And I, I, I, I think that I think that, that the Integra 509 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,760 might be the best. And have you seen the new 3 510 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,320 Series? The Integra's a good looking 511 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,400 thing. Holy moly, I'm. 512 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,840 A little undecided the new 3 Series and and you know our our 513 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,600 friend John Dyste has the three series the 3:30 M or something 514 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,160 and I think that's very similar yeah but I don't even know if 515 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,200 you can get that a manual anymore his is his is an 516 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,640 automatic so if you want a manual there aren't too many 517 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,840 choices this is not not only is it one of the few choices it's 518 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,280 like it's like kind of the game over choice like this is this is 519 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,400 it it's such a good car I go on and on about this thing it's 520 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,960 fantastic so. It's so good all around and like 521 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:33,320 you said, I mean the the gearbox is just so solid and like it's 522 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,000 just so fun. Sewing machine. 523 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,800 It is. I was delighted. 524 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Make manuals like that. It's. 525 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,840 I know you know, and it so again, I drove this one at the 526 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,880 NAWAPA event and I went to get in it and I was so excited that 527 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,560 it was a manual and yeah, I mean, as far as like new manual 528 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,680 4 door sedans, this is a fantastic option. 529 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,440 It's one of the few, yeah, yeah, because you can go get, they 530 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,200 made 330 fives, you know, BMWs like 2010, 2011, you could get 531 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,600 those in a manual or you could get an E90M3 sedan in a manual, 532 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600 obviously. But those are old cars at this 533 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,640 point, Older, you know? So if you want a new option, 534 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,200 yeah. The only hit against it front 535 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,160 wheel drive right. Right. 536 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,800 So depending on where you live, that may not be what you want. 537 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,160 Or maybe that's why you need AT Rex and an Integra. 538 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,280 But damn, it's just it's such I I don't I don't like I have no 539 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,120 demerits for that car. Like they have squeezed 540 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,000 everything they possibly can out of out of, you know, those facts 541 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,200 and figures, right? I mean, it's the best of the 542 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,040 breed again, so. Well, and like you said for the 543 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,160 the visual punch that it delivers and you know, we talk 544 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,440 all the time about the reports that you know, the average new 545 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,360 car is $50,000. The one that I have is the 546 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,320 sticker price is 41195. That's so much, right? 547 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,560 It's a ton of car for the money, like I don't think you can go 548 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,160 wrong with it. So that's my second choice for 549 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,440 best internal combustion vehicle. 550 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:18,000 And 3rd I have to go with the Mazda MX5 Miata which was so 551 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,240 much fun. Now I got to drive it. 552 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,120 The top was off. So was it RF or was it the full 553 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,640 convertible? RF. 554 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,520 OK, because that's kind of that's a little tighter inside 555 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840 I've discovered than the full convertible, although I really 556 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,200 like the idea of it, the package look, but. 557 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:39,000 So that that was my one sort of caveat to the Miata is I was 558 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400 very, very aware how small it is. 559 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,640 Yeah. But I mean what a fun I couldn't 560 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,800 buy. That I I couldn't buy that maybe 561 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,040 the convertible, but the RF, the hard top, it doesn't fit me and. 562 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,800 Yeah, I could see that. So. 563 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Much fun. It was that was the thing and 564 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600 and they had the, you know, the tops off. 565 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,800 It was bright sunshine and it was just, I'm like, man, you 566 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,200 could just go cruise. But I always one of the things I 567 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,280 think about too is like, OK, who is the intended audience or 568 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,920 like, what's the use case for this car? 569 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,920 And I was very aware of how small it was because we were on 570 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,560 the freeway. You know, we were taking them on 571 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,560 surface streets, but also getting on the highway and where 572 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,120 we were there were, you know, as you find on the highway, there 573 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,840 were a lot of semi trucks and whatever. 574 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,440 And there's a big contrast between a semi truck and the 575 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,920 MX5. So I went OK. 576 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,120 But I'm loving the driving experience. 577 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,440 This is so much fun. It is pure. 578 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,440 It is. And it's like pure driving 579 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,840 again. That one was manual too. 580 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,040 So I went, all right, if I had this, I would probably take it 581 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,360 out on weekend mornings early, like, take it to Cars and 582 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,560 Coffee, go for it. Like, just go for a drive when 583 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,280 the roads are empty. Yeah, But I probably wouldn't 584 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,800 use it as a daily. And and so you take this, you 585 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,320 choose this over the BRZ or the 86 cars and that which is also 586 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200 on the list. And yeah, I fit better, a little 587 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120 bit better in the 86. I I could almost swing that as a 588 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,120 daily driver. And I think it feels like you 589 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,040 could daily. Drive it, Yeah. 590 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,920 But there's something about having an open top and when, you 591 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,160 know, I, I don't know, here in Colorado, you got to be a little 592 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160 careful. You're going to fry your top, 593 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,920 your head off, you know, a lot of the summer. 594 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,560 But in the morning, the afternoon, you know, on an 595 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,120 overcast day, I mean, there's nothing better than an open car. 596 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,440 And that is sort of a good compromise of an open. 597 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,880 It's a great compromise of an open car. 598 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,480 I would have to, with my own money, I think I'd get the BRZ, 599 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,880 which was not my top three, but might be 4 or five in that list. 600 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,560 I really did enjoy it. And and you know, the Miata has 601 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,960 even I think a little bit less power that that's it. 602 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,680 It's just that is there aren't too many fun cars. 603 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,600 Every car takes itself so seriously anymore. 604 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960 We've talked about this. You know, every crossover's got 605 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120 to look like it's a military vehicle, right? 606 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,120 You know, every truck, you know, every sports car's got to look 607 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,240 like it's, you know, ready to race, right? 608 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,200 That is one of the few cars anymore. 609 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,120 That's just just a fun car. You know, it's not trying to be 610 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,160 anything that it isn't knows it's not the fastest thing in 611 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,800 the world. Yet you see a ton of them at 612 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920 track days, right, because they're still very capable, 613 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,640 right? And they're just they're just 614 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,440 great cars that put a smile on your face. 615 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,440 It again, I laughed when I when I within, you know, 500 feet, it 616 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,240 was laughing. I don't know, another car I was 617 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520 laughing in maybe a defender off road. 618 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,400 But yeah, it's another story for another time. 619 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,680 But it's all, I mean, again, it's like the right tool for the 620 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,520 job. Like if you want to go for a 621 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,360 drive and just have like a pure driving experience. 622 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,320 And the one that we had at the event was the that fantastic red 623 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,960 that they do, the sole red crystal metallic. 624 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,880 I mean, they've got metallic red down that them and Acura. 625 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,920 So the yeah, the one that I drove was 181 horsepower, 151 LB 626 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480 feet of torque. But it's so tiny that it really 627 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,760 gets up and goes, Yeah, the one that I drove was the sticker 628 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,200 price was 40,280. So again, like you get a lot of 629 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,160 value. I think it just depends on your 630 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,160 comfort level and what you need like that. 631 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,400 Yeah, the I think the other part of that is it wouldn't work for 632 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,680 my daily life because I need to take dogs and children and all 633 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,920 that, so there isn't enough space. 634 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,880 But if it was a dedicated weekend, fun car, like 635 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,800 fantastic. I would encourage anyone to buy 636 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,440 one if it fits you, it suits your lifestyle, you you, you 637 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080 will have no regrets with the Miata. 638 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Yeah, exactly. The old ones too. 639 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840 I don't know if you've checked like the prices on a good NA 640 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,560 Miata. So back, you know, 9091 up to 90 641 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,760 to 96, I think 97, those things are, are have come way up 642 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520 because the ones that are left are the really good ones. 643 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960 And so, yeah, they're, they're, you know, they've always been 644 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320 good, you know, and I think this, the Miata they're making 645 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,120 now is the best Miata they've made so. 646 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,400 You heard it here first. Yeah. 647 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,080 All right. So the next category. 648 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,440 Is 30 minutes are we? I know we got to, we got to keep 649 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,560 it moving, right? Yeah. 650 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Well, we can. We can edit. 651 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Passionate about about these things though we are so. 652 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800 All right, so let's move on to the best EV. 653 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,640 So the options are the Lucid Air, the Lucid Gravity, the 654 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,320 Genesis GV 60 Magma, the Mercedes CLA 250 Plus Pinnacle, 655 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,680 the Hyundai Ionic 5, the Subaru Trail Seeker, the Toyota BZ, or 656 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,920 the Lexus ES350E. Yeah. 657 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,480 So a couple of these cars I've not driven, I've not driven the 658 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,000 Magma and I've not driven that Mercedes. 659 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640 This is such a tricky one because you know, I daily drive 660 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,840 or at least we have a an EV, it's kind of our primary family 661 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,920 vehicle and it's a pole star too and whole other story there. 662 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,120 But you know, so we're, you know, we're, we're EV converts, 663 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,440 right? And and and you know it's. 664 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,400 A friendly audience. Yeah, yeah. 665 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,120 Even that car, which the design is several years old now, does 666 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,880 things really, really right. I just had the Trail Seeker and 667 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680 the first time I drove the Trail Seeker was at one of our arm app 668 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,920 events. And so I, I don't know, I spent 669 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,000 probably less than an hour I thought was fantastic. 670 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,840 You know, it's, so it's basically, if you could picture 671 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,760 an Outback, you know that's electric, right? 672 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,960 This is the, I had one as a long term about, I don't know, a week 673 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:25,120 or two ago and it was such a what do you want to it was, it 674 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,679 was a confounding experience because the car itself is pretty 675 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,800 great, right? Like it's got a great ride. 676 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,080 It's a much better ride than our Pols Dr. It's a bigger, longer 677 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,280 car. It's got 375 horsepower, so you 678 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,360 know, off the line it's quite quick. 679 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,040 It had a lot of fun, you know, surprising people at stoplights. 680 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,040 Yeah, they accelerate rapidly. They, they, they do, they do. 681 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,480 It's, it's, it's a, it's a very usable, functional thing. 682 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,000 But I, I little little things, little things. 683 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,840 I hate to pick this car apart because it's so close to being a 684 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,360 wonderful car. It's got Tesla, the Tesla 685 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,640 charging connector. But if you can't just go up to a 686 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,080 Tesla charger, you've got to download the Subaru app that 687 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,840 then connects you. But if you haven't downloaded 688 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400 the Subaru app, then you're, you're screwed. 689 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,880 It has a connector, an adapter to use whatever the traditional 690 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,480 system is like that our pole star has. 691 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,400 But we, we, I found that getting stuck in the, the port, you 692 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,680 know, it's this kind of stuff. It's just some elements of it 693 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,520 are fundamental. It's a fantastic car. 694 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,680 Yeah. But the details, you know, 695 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,960 little things like the pole star when it's charging in the 696 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,480 garage, the screen is on and it's this big high def screen 697 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,080 that tells you how much time you have. 698 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,480 The, the, the Subaru, the trail seeker, it's a little red light 699 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,560 that flashes like it's your seat belt light, you know, and you've 700 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,400 got to get in the car and turn it on. 701 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,760 Little, little it's 1000. It's kind of death by 1000 cuts. 702 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,280 I'm sure a lot of these things, the, the alarms, the the beeping 703 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,680 and all this can be turned off. But I just felt like you 704 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,160 couldn't do anything in that car without it. 705 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,160 It, it beeping at you. So with that car is almost my 706 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,560 number one in that group, not having driven everything. 707 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,440 More like it would take some setting up it would take. 708 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,840 Some setting up I, I, I think and I think it would be a 709 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,760 wonderful car for so many people. 710 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,240 That said, I don't know that it's my personal #1 let's. 711 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480 So instead of me going down the list, what would be your number 712 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,360 one? So my number one, OK, I'm just 713 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,760 going to do my first and 2nd. OK. 714 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,840 Give yours and then I'll come back. 715 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Yeah. With Yeah, yeah. 716 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,160 So my 2 favorites were and the again, this is we say sometimes 717 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,240 there are delightful surprises. So they I had one of the Hyundai 718 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,880 Ionic fives at I had it for alone over the summer. 719 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,760 So I had it for a week and then it was also at this NAWAPA event 720 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,560 just this last month and I love that car so much. 721 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,640 That's my real #1 and it's because it doesn't have. 722 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,200 Those issues fantastic. Yeah, you get in it's it's a 723 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560 seamless, easy, intuitive driving experience. 724 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,040 And it is. So the one that I had was Atlas 725 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,800 white mat. So it was just this like cool, 726 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,760 kind of like slightly metallic matte white with they said grey, 727 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,440 but it was like a very light, light, light grey, almost white 728 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,680 interior. And we all kept saying we get in 729 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,280 it, you know, you get in and sit down and it was like, it was 730 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,200 like an exhale in a good way. It was very thin inside and even 731 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680 the color was like even the exterior color. 732 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,040 It was a very calming car, super calming driving experience. 733 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,640 You know, We talked with Scott Kruger from Stilantis about the 734 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,720 user experience and the driving experience and the user 735 00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:02,640 experience of the Ionic 5 is 1 of like serenity and peace and 736 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,720 calm and just, and it's a lovely car to drive. 737 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,480 Like the ride is wonderful. Hearing is great. 738 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,560 It was very intuitive. So. 739 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,040 So actually that's my first choice. 740 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,080 Yeah, I think it's my first. Yeah. 741 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,880 And like even sitting in the driveway, I would look out and 742 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,920 see it and smile because it was like, man, when you are in that 743 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,760 car, it is just so nice. It's been around for a. 744 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,160 Few years, right? Yeah, I feel like I first drove 745 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,760 1. You know, it's probably 3 or 4 746 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,440 years ago, but yeah, that's, that's, you know, it does so 747 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,560 many things, right? It's just, it just walks that 748 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,080 line of like, you know, handling versus ride quality. 749 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,360 You know, none of the none of the like half baked issues that 750 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,480 I hate to say like we had in the Trail Seeker. 751 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,640 If you don't need something that now that Trail Seeker is 752 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,200 genuinely capable off road in a way that the the Hyundai, you 753 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,440 know, is more of a, you know, Rd. oriented vehicle. 754 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,840 I have off roaded both of them believe it or not. 755 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,960 Have you OK at Mudfest? I off roaded both of them. 756 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,240 Well, how was the Hyundai off road because I don't think of it 757 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,040 having that much clearance. Okay. 758 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,960 It did great. It was. 759 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,360 Okay, well it. Was very funny because we did 760 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,320 the first day of that event, it was a 2 day event. 761 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,760 Yeah. The first day was on road and 762 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,960 then the second day was entirely off road. 763 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,360 All of the vehicles, I think there was one vehicle that they 764 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,360 pulled back just because of clearance and there was one 765 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,400 where they said, you know, don't bomb up the hill but like go 766 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,840 ahead. There were no caveats with the 767 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,720 Ionic 5 and it shoot up the course. 768 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,800 It did fantastically. Just goes. 769 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,080 That was such a funny thing because there were several cars 770 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,360 where you're like, I don't know that I would have thought to 771 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,480 take this off road. Yeah. 772 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,880 But now that I have seen its capabilities, yeah, maybe I 773 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000 would do some light off. But it just. 774 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,680 Added to, you know, it's an incredibly capable car. 775 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,680 I think it'd be a fantastic around town. 776 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,080 It's probably delightful on a road trip because it's so 777 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,440 calming and you know. Packaging is great. 778 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,360 Yeah, I took four adults in it. Everybody was comfortable and 779 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,480 had plenty of room, you know, 2 tall guys. 780 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,120 Yeah. So you. 781 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,720 See them everywhere, at least here in Denver. 782 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,080 So I mean, I guess, you know, the proof's in the pudding or 783 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,840 whatever, you know, they're selling these things. 784 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,840 Once I knew I was getting it, and then especially once it was 785 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,880 dropped off, I was seeing them everywhere. 786 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000 I'm like, with good reason, like people are. 787 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,200 I think it's funny because that's another one that I think 788 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,400 flies under the radar a little bit, but people are buying them 789 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,200 and driving them. Yeah, that's a car I would 790 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,880 consider buying. Same. 791 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,040 Yeah. And it's I I don't generally 792 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,120 gravitate towards EVs. Like I don't have a, it's just I 793 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,160 grew up without them. Sure, I think that's not. 794 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,680 The first, well, we all did, Lindsay. 795 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,320 And let's hear that one weird guy with like the home built 796 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,480 wedge shaped thing, you know, with the, you know, the. 797 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,120 Yeah. So it's, it's not my default to 798 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,240 think of them. Yeah. 799 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,000 But I think that really speaks to the quality of the car or the 800 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,560 driving experience or the user experience when it's converting 801 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,440 people that that isn't their default. 802 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,720 And they're like, hey, I would absolutely commit to this. 803 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,200 Yep, that's a car I've recommended. 804 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,520 We'll continue to recommend, you know, yeah, it's just a great 805 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,760 car. What about your number 2? 806 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:15,280 OK, so #2 is the Lexus ES350E, which I just got to drive at the 807 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,000 Nuapa event, hadn't seen one before and I was kind of neutral 808 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,880 in the sense of I hadn't seen one before. 809 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,920 This was my first experience. They, you know, Lexus was great. 810 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,760 They brought one and they had a representative come and do a 811 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,560 walk around and tell us all about the car. 812 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,040 You know, it's always interesting to hear because 813 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,440 there's so much thought that goes into the interior design 814 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,280 and the materials. And this one had bamboo, you 815 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,360 know, door cards, which were super cool. 816 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,720 Obviously doesn't change the driving experience, but it's 817 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,920 always nice to see these little touches and have them pointed 818 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,480 out. And holy cow was the ride and 819 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,760 just the smoothness of that car. I mean, lovely that's, you know, 820 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,760 it's always interesting when a word pops into your head when 821 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,800 you're driving a new car and they just kept hearing lovely 822 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,760 over and over in my head. It's just a great car, right? 823 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280 Like, you know, like some of the other cars we've talked about. 824 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,680 That was something that really surprised me. 825 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,000 I've driven both the the electric and the the ICE. 826 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,280 The electric is the superior car. 827 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,400 It is that is my little like, you know, hot pocket of Zen like 828 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,320 that. They just it's like right, It's 829 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,760 like it's like you're losing this little pod, but like done 830 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,880 well, right, It is like it's kind of like the first time you 831 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,160 got one of like the Lexus LS400's of your right. 832 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,640 Right. Like what is this? 833 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,040 Damn, This is like, I want to just drive this all day, right? 834 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,760 Yeah. It's kind of generic looking, 835 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,640 but it's good looking, you know? It's kind of, you know, you 836 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,400 know, at the moment there were times I thought, God, I'm 837 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,760 driving like a grandma's car, but then like, no, I really like 838 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,680 this. This is this is what I this is 839 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,880 the anti road rage mobile like this is. 840 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,320 Right, it chills you out, right? It's the Zen mode. 841 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800 Not the fastest EV, if I recall right. 842 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200 I mean, they had good power, but it wasn't, you know, like, you 843 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,480 know, probably isn't like 3 1/2 seconds to 60. 844 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,400 It's probably 4 1/2 seconds or five seconds, right? 845 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,200 Which is? Yeah, plenty, because it has a 846 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,720 single, single electric motor. So the one that I drove was 221 847 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,960 horsepower, 100 and 98 LB Feud of torque. 848 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,000 I drove the dual motor. OK, Yeah. 849 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,200 So I had a bit more, I believe it was a dual motor. 850 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,200 I'll check that. But yeah, I but I didn't think 851 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,080 power was an issue, whatever it was that it. 852 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,880 Was no, I mean and even with the single motor it was not. 853 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,440 And again, this the one that I drove was priced at $47,500 854 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,240 like. It's a Lexus A. 855 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:38,000 Lot of and it's a Lexus. So if you, I feel like it's, you 856 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,320 could kind of say the Ionic 5 and this Lexus are like two 857 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,720 sides of the same coin depending on, you know, if you if the name 858 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,640 is important to you or the brand is important to you, get the 859 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,440 Lexus if it isn't considered both because they're not that 860 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880 far apart in price. No, no. 861 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,680 You know, the Ionic 5 was 51, the one that we drove at the 862 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,080 event or the one that I had over the summer, it was 51, which 863 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,440 again for what you're getting, I think is a reasonable price. 864 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,200 Like I think you're getting a lot of car for that, but they're 865 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,320 not that far. Apart deals, yeah, I do think 866 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,080 that the Lexus, Lexus is a more luxury, luxurious experience, 867 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,040 but I feel I feel like the Hyundai has a little more 868 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,720 utility. All right, I'll leave it at 869 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,560 that. But those are both cars that I 870 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,600 would actually buy. I guess I'm getting old, but 871 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,440 that that Lexus is really compelling. 872 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,280 And I think it speaks to the quality of the car. 873 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,200 And it's a better, more refine, a better, more refined car as an 874 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,840 EV and an Alexis, that's what you want, right? 875 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,800 So yeah, that's wild. See that that was that was a 876 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,840 surprise. That was a surprise this year. 877 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,160 Right, I know. All right. 878 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,760 So what are your your best EV 1st and 2nd place? 879 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520 Well, I think I still have to go with with the Hyundai, the ONIC 880 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,320 5 and then and then the the Lexus, but they're very, very 881 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,160 close and asterisk that that Subaru is so close to being 882 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,240 wonderful. If they can iron out a few 883 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,360 things or I don't know, maybe they can teach me what I'm doing 884 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,640 wrong. That's that's. 885 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,520 Probably we need a course, yeah. That's right there too. 886 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,920 It's just those other two are so ironed out. 887 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,360 Yeah, that's true. And I drove the Trail Seeker at 888 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,880 the event in the spring, and I think one of the things that I 889 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,120 loved about it, because it was one of their, you know, first 890 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,560 EVs, it still had the Subaru familiarity to it. 891 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,960 Yeah. It's not what's nice where you 892 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960 get in and you're like, OK, I know this. 893 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,920 Yeah. But it's really well done. 894 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,200 Like, the interiors are lovely. They're doing such a great job. 895 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,840 That one has one of the Squovel steering wheels, so that took a 896 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,440 little bit of getting you too. Yes, but you will and you will 897 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,200 never think. You do like by day two, it was 898 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,440 not attracting, you know, it wasn't catching my attention. 899 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,000 And then, yeah, I mean, it drove really nicely, great 900 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,080 acceleration, so. Great. 901 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,560 Yeah. Yeah, I I mean, it did the auto 902 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,680 cross course and it did they they had like a we were out at 903 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,320 the Ridge racetrack and they had the go Kart course is a, you 904 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,400 know, scaled down version of the racetrack. 905 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,800 It handled that no problem and again and it did all the off 906 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,520 roading so. Yeah, if you recommend if you 907 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,640 are someone for from the safety nannies are are important, 908 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,240 right. Like you know that is your car. 909 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,960 Some of us like a little less intrusion, but again, you know, 910 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,480 I I don't want to, I don't want to knock it because it's a 911 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,040 wonderful car. If you are, if you are a Subaru 912 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,760 person and you're looking for an EV like that is your car game, 913 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,520 you know, done. Right, because you can take 5 914 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,720 people, plenty of cargo, you know, I mean that one, when I 915 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,360 got out of that, and again, it's like I've learned to listen to 916 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,160 my, you know, internal monologue, especially on the 917 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,880 days where you're driving a bunch of different cars in a 918 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,240 row. I got out of that one and I went 919 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,400 and told the Subaru Rep because I think I had driven the 920 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,320 Uncharted and then I went into the trail seeker and I was like 921 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,880 Subaru is killing it like. They're just, yeah. 922 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,240 They're good. They're. 923 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,920 Really like a damn hooligan too. Like it's got enough power and 924 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,600 the handling is is good enough where you can actually have fun 925 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,000 in it, which I can't say for every EV or every Subaru for 926 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,840 that matter. So you know it, it does fix that 927 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,600 issue. I think I did a a real on 928 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,600 Instagram about this. Something like the Outback or 929 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,760 the forest or traditionally it's all it's been all about the 930 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,640 utility. It's you're not getting that car 931 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,880 for the powertrain, especially with the CVT transmissions and 932 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,920 and this kind of thing that solves that big problem because 933 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,400 you won't want for any power, right? 934 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,120 You don't have to worry about the, you know, a transmission 935 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,680 choice. It's just, I just maybe I was 936 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,480 having a bad week. I just couldn't get past some of 937 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,840 that. You need to do the nannies and 938 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,880 stuff. Yeah, but it's so close. 939 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,040 But that's, yeah, that could be the number one for a lot of 940 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,360 people listening. Just know what you're getting 941 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,360 into. Yeah, that's fair. 942 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,880 It's quirky. Believe it at that. 943 00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:00,880 There you go. OK, so next category is best 944 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,240 hybrid or Pehev. So the options are the Tucson, 945 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,440 so the Hyundai Tucson, the Mazda CX50, the Toyota Rav 4, the I'm 946 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,200 going to do a little dog pass on here. 947 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,640 He's getting antsy. It's OK. 948 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,560 The Jeep Cherokee overland or the Toyota crown signia. 949 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,640 So, your thoughts? I like the crown Signia. 950 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,880 It's not perfect. It's a, it's, it's kind of like 951 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,840 the trail seeker and maybe there's some shared componentry 952 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,080 there. I'd have to look that up. 953 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,360 It's a it's more refined than the Subaru. 954 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,800 Well you did a longer Rd. Trip I did, I did. 955 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,600 That's a that, that's a good car. 956 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,880 You know, I, I went back, I was reading that that article. 957 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,520 I went back to read that article because someone had asked about 958 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,720 it and this was less than a year ago. 959 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,800 And I referenced, gosh, paying $1.88 for gas somewhere in 960 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,560 Nebraska and like what a cheap car that was to operate, it 961 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,480 being a hybrid that is, it's, it's, it's, it's Lexus, like a 962 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,920 lot of people said, it's there's your, there's your cheap Lexus. 963 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,640 It's not that. I don't think it's as refined as 964 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,000 the Lexus we were talking about earlier, but that's a very good 965 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,800 car, really nice interior. I keep coming back to that as 966 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,360 one of those cars. Like, yeah, I think about that 967 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,160 car sometimes because it was just so good at being a car, 968 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,600 right? Yeah, it has its own flavor. 969 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,640 It's not that Acura, it's not that Subaru, but that's probably 970 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,040 my number one in that group because I think it just did so 971 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,920 many things, right. Number two, I thought the 972 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,640 Hyundai was quite good as well. OK, the Tucson. 973 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,520 The Tucson I thought that was was quite nice. 974 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,720 Didn't love the Jeep. What else is in that list? 975 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,720 Didn't love the. Rav 4 the Mazda CX50 the Rav. 976 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:56,440 Four CX 50 was underwhelming. I wanted to like it because I 977 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,520 like the way it looks. I like Mazdas, but it just 978 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,200 didn't quite do it for me. There's something about it. 979 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,920 The ride seemed harsh. Yeah, for me, it's that it's 980 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,000 that Toyota and then the and then the Hyundai. 981 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,280 What about you there? You go. 982 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,960 So I haven't driven the crown, but you, I know you have raved 983 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,320 about it and we got to see one at the LA Auto Show last year. 984 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,880 That's. Where it all began, Yeah. 985 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,120 That was where, you know, that was what kicked it off. 986 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:24,160 I did just have the Tucson for a week following the CX5 that I 987 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:31,880 had and I drove the CX50 at the event in Portland and I've 988 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:37,600 driven a couple Rav fours. So I think I would like more 989 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,680 time with the Jeep because it was interesting. 990 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,280 I was very aware of how big it was, kind of the scale of it. 991 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,760 Even the steering wheel was very thick compared to everything 992 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,960 else. And possibly because I was 993 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,000 driving like 12 other cars that day, you're more aware of the 994 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,000 differences. But I think if I had to pick 995 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:05,040 winners, I actually would pick the Rav 4 because I've driven. 996 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,240 I drove the woodland this time. And then I drove Yeah. 997 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,520 And they had another one at Mudfest and I was really 998 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,080 impressed with both of them, like. 999 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,280 Would be my #3 because it's come a long way. 1000 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,880 The seats are always an issue in Toyota's and the Rav Fours, the 1001 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,720 new seat is actually quite good. So yeah, yeah, maybe I need to 1002 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:28,520 reconsider. That could be a possible #2 tie. 1003 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,800 I think it's something that flies under the radar because I 1004 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,880 think, like you said, people have in their minds what the 1005 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,440 definition of a Rav 4 is. And if you haven't seen a new 1006 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,560 one, I think you would be, you know, blown away. 1007 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,080 Might be too much, but I think you would be very pleasantly 1008 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,920 surprised by the quality. And, you know, the interior is 1009 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,120 nice. I think it's a great utility 1010 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,120 car. Like if you're around town, 1011 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,680 moving kids, dogs, whatever, you don't want something giant, but 1012 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,840 you want the ability to take people and some stuff. 1013 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,040 I think it's a great option. So I would pick that one. 1014 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,360 That's a good choice. And then, yeah, I think the 1015 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,480 Tucson would be my second choice. 1016 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,480 I really love the design. And again, the interior you get 1017 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,560 in, it was another one, like another Hyundai that I got in. 1018 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,440 And I'm like, I love this interior and just kind of the 1019 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,120 little touches, you know, the lighting was lovely. 1020 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,480 It had colored lighting it, but it was just very again, like 1021 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,080 calming Zen, you know? Now that the palisade is like 1022 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,040 Tahoe size, yeah, like that's kind of the right size, right? 1023 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,640 Yeah, it's, and I think that is having all these different cars 1024 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,360 has shown me how many are in that category. 1025 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,160 Like, you know, and I was talking to one of the people 1026 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,760 that manages the fleet, one of the fleets up here and he said, 1027 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,320 well, that's what people want, that's what they're driving. 1028 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,720 And it makes perfect sense because it's parking lot or you 1029 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,200 know, parking spot sized, but it's still very capable. 1030 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,880 You could take 5 people if you wanted to. 1031 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,320 You can take stuff and it's not massive, right? 1032 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,320 Yeah, no, it's. And it and with the hybrid 1033 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,000 option, it's easier on gas and all of that. 1034 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,480 I think the exterior design is great. 1035 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,920 Yep, the back seat was comfortable for my daughter. 1036 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,560 So I think it's a great option. I'm trying to see. 1037 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,960 I was going to say, so the one that I drove was it was 40,000 1038 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,800 which. Yeah, that's for. 1039 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,640 So many people high. I think it might be a little bit 1040 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,280 high, but still, you know, it's below average. 1041 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,960 I think it's a good option. This is a segment that's so 1042 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,800 crowded, has so many good cars, not too many, you know, bad 1043 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,280 cars, if any. It comes down to like a choice 1044 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,440 of of preferences, right? You want a little more 1045 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,720 refinement? Do you want a little more 1046 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,240 utility? Do you care for like the seat 1047 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,680 fits you, you know, do you want to sport your ride a cushier 1048 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,720 ride? You know, and honestly, some of 1049 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,640 these cars that would just come down to like, you know, what's 1050 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,960 the dealer willing to deal, you know, on. 1051 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,920 Yeah, the economics of it. Right, Right. 1052 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,560 Yeah. I think we both agree that the 1053 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,800 Jeep probably wasn't a winner for us. 1054 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,880 And then also the CX50 I think was probably would probably be 1055 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,200 like second to last place for me. 1056 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,520 I've not driven the new CX5 and it's so odd that they have these 1057 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,600 two vehicles which are which operate in literally the same 1058 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,720 segment. They're they're selling almost 1059 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,080 against themselves. And I think I would have taken a 1060 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,080 couple years ago, I would have taken the CX50, but I think the 1061 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,920 new CX5 may have that refinement that I was missing in the CX50, 1062 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:30,920 so. It does. 1063 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,720 So that is actually the car that I had that I drove to and from 1064 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,600 the event. So I spent, you know, 8 hours 1065 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,600 Rd. tripping down and back and it was so that was an 1066 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,480 interesting surprise when I got in the CX50 because I was like, 1067 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,080 oh, I'm driving one of these right now. 1068 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,920 It's probably going to be the same thing. 1069 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,640 And the CX5 has gotten a cosmetic update inside. 1070 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,440 So it's got all the new, you know, interior and it is a 1071 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,400 lovely place to be. Yeah, I think probably has the 1072 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,120 previous generation interior design still. 1073 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,440 Yeah, and they do drive a little differently. 1074 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,480 They do and it has I think a little more off road capability 1075 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,840 too. Sorry to talk of me about the 1076 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,760 CX50. I think is intended to be a 1077 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,560 little more tough or whatever that makes sense because it was 1078 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,800 is there too, but. Yeah, and it was the CX5 was a 1079 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,160 little bit more of a refined driving. 1080 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,800 Experience. Yeah, but that's a good thing. 1081 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,680 Probably the better car. Well, and I think it depends on 1082 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,240 what, like you said, what you're buying it for. 1083 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,720 Like what? Or do you want something that 1084 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,720 can go off road, you know? That's it. 1085 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,320 It comes down to just personal preferences. 1086 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,040 It's such a crowded, competitive segment that, you know there's 1087 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,720 no room for bad stuff. Yeah, I don't even know what 1088 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,120 would be a bad car in that segment anymore, honestly. 1089 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,000 I know. Well, and that Jeep may not be 1090 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,440 my favorite, but it's not a bad car. 1091 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,400 It's just comes down to finishes and things and. 1092 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,200 You know, what's interesting to me is like, and This is why I 1093 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,280 love talking to the guys that manage the fleets up here 1094 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,360 because they get to see and drive everything. 1095 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,960 Yeah. And, you know, I've gotten to 1096 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,400 become friends with a few of them. 1097 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,920 And they were at the event. And so we'd kind of talk in 1098 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,400 between, you know what, I'd get out of something and they'd say, 1099 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,560 like, what would you think? Whatever. 1100 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,880 And I was talking to one of my friends after I got out of the 1101 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,240 Jeep and I was telling him like, yeah, I just, I caught myself 1102 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,480 being very aware of the scale of it, which was interesting, 1103 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,800 especially because I drive a full size pickup truck. 1104 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,160 So it's not like I'm Oh my gosh, I don't, I drive something 1105 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,320 really small. I'm not used to this. 1106 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,040 But what was interesting is I said that to him and he said I 1107 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,040 had the exact same experience. I drove it for a short spurt, 1108 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,080 you know, initially and he said, and then he ended up moving in 1109 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,360 between cities. So he was on like a several hour 1110 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,800 road trip in it and he said I fell completely in love with it. 1111 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,000 So for whatever reason you need to spend some time in it. 1112 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,360 And he said now I recommend it to everybody. 1113 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,040 So I'm like, all right, then I need it for hopefully I can get 1114 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,320 it for a long term loan. And I think it's on my schedule 1115 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,600 and so we'll see. But I'm like, yeah, I'm totally 1116 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,200 willing to be, you know, consider that maybe it's 1117 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,520 something you just need to spend a little more. 1118 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,920 Time. That's so OK. 1119 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,560 So this is the tricky thing about that segment. 1120 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,120 Some of these cars or crossovers vehicles are great road trip 1121 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,320 vehicles. They're not the car that I want 1122 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,400 to commute in in. Like around town, Yeah. 1123 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,800 Right. But it's that sweet spot, right? 1124 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,640 Like it's the that we want that I want. 1125 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,840 It's the car that's pretty good at both, right? 1126 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,720 Right, the elusive Unicorn. Back to the Acura Integra. 1127 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,560 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it just depends. 1128 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,680 OK. So Speaking of Rd. trips, best 1129 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,680 off roader or adventure vehicle? So the contenders are the Toyota 1130 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,360 4 Runner Trail Hunter, which we've both driven, the Forester 1131 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,480 Wilderness, which we've both driven the Outback Wilderness, 1132 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,400 which you have the Subaru Trail Seeker, which we have both 1133 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,440 driven the Ram 1500 TRX or the Jeep Cherokee Overland, so. 1134 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,880 Crossover. Yeah, a little. 1135 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,000 Bit so should we say that we can only choose winners from things 1136 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,120 that we haven't discussed yet, which shortens the list? 1137 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,240 Yeah, say this one more time. So the Toyota 4 runner trail. 1138 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,720 Right, right, right, right the. Word. 1139 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,560 Forester Wilderness. Yeah. 1140 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,360 Subaru Outback Wilderness. I feel like Subaru's gonna run 1141 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,600 away with this one way or another. 1142 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,520 Subaru Trail Seeker. Yeah. 1143 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,560 Ram 1500 TRX SRT Yeah. Jeep Cherokee Overland. 1144 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,080 OK, so this is oh, it's almost. Except for the lone Toyota. 1145 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,280 This is a battle between Subaru and Stalantis. 1146 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,920 OK, the Toyota that trail hunter, that Toyota 4 runner is 1147 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,680 again a love hate car, but for very different ways than the 1148 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,040 trail seeker made by a completely different company in 1149 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,920 a different continent or not but that trail hunter. 1150 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,680 Happy Trails category. The trilunger looks the 1151 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,960 business. Damn that is a fine looking 1152 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,640 truck that is like the one I had was green with the bronze 1153 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,240 wheels, you know it. Does it? 1154 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,400 Does so many things, but it's got a 300 horsepower 4 cylinder 1155 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,160 turbo. That is a car if it had a six 1156 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,040 cylinder in it and you recall they had an 8 cylinder and a 4 1157 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,480 runner for few years, you know, a couple decades ago that car is 1158 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,240 crying out. I don't even if it has less 1159 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,400 horsepower, give me a, a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder 1160 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,720 because it's it's so on off, it's so hard to drive smoothly. 1161 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,080 It's the same complaint I had. Probably about the only 1162 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,080 complaint I had when I had my turbo 4 cylinder came in right 1163 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,040 where it's just it, it's there's nothing and then there's 1164 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,840 everything. And yeah, it's already kind of 1165 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,480 a. Conscious. 1166 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,520 No, it's so capable off road. I was a little disappointed in 1167 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,120 the ride. I thought the ride based on the 1168 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,360 look in the in the big tires and all that, I thought it'd be a 1169 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,640 bit of a cushier ride. In fact, I found myself driving 1170 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,600 around town with the with the tires aired down. 1171 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,720 It's so highly capable though. I mean, it's just like you find 1172 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,880 yourself looking for bigger and better obstacles because it just 1173 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,800 kind of just goes the damn snorkel. 1174 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,920 I loved it for the first day. By the end of the week, I was 1175 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,200 done. My poor wife Molly in the 1176 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,200 passenger seat was that. Much closer. 1177 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,280 If they came up with maybe you can pull a fuse or something if 1178 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,400 there's a way that you can cut off that at least have as an 1179 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,040 option when you're digging around on your own shirt. 1180 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,640 But we were out with the family. You don't want them. 1181 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,880 You know, it's just it's it's, it sounds like you're rolling 1182 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,480 cold, but you're not. It's just it's, it's, it's a 1183 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,520 little much. It's such a great vehicle. 1184 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,640 But I, I think if I were buying a 4 runner, I think I'd probably 1185 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,680 go for like the, the TRD Pro because you've got so much more 1186 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,800 of a capability. What's fun for a day is not fun 1187 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,520 for a, you know, a 72 month loan or whatever, you know, because 1188 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,960 they're so expensive. But so that could be again, so 1189 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,000 close to be my number one, but just, it would be tough to live 1190 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,120 with day in and day out because of a few little niggling things. 1191 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,280 So #1. So the OK, so it's. 1192 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,360 Got to be a Subaru. Yeah, well, I've not. 1193 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,600 Driven the TRX you. Know so of what you've driven. 1194 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,200 So it is going to be Subaru going to run away with your 1195 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,600 choices. They're going to be the winners 1196 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,840 here. So fork the wilderness, Outback 1197 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,640 wilderness, or trail seeker. I prefer the Outback wilderness 1198 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,720 that I have, I think a little bit over the Forester again, I I 1199 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,000 thought this was a Forester wilderness until I literally 1200 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,520 thought that it was a Forester until I saw the badge in the 1201 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,840 back. Because to me they're almost 1202 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,280 indistinguishable. I asked Chappie. 1203 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,920 My team. But it looks wise just in and 1204 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,040 out. I mean, like, unless you're 1205 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,800 looking next to each other, I, you know, you drop, drop me to 1206 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,160 1. I wouldn't necessarily know. 1207 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,000 ChatGPT says that the Outback, it's a little more expensive. 1208 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,120 It's a little more of a wagon shape, a little lower, a little 1209 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,000 longer. It has a better ride. 1210 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,320 To me, the big distinguishing thing is that the that Forester 1211 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,040 wilderness I had I think was a hybrid. 1212 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:56,320 This is a but they also make it an an an A naturally aspirated 4 1213 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,360 cylinder. This one is it's a turbo 4, but 1214 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,240 it actually kind of works with the CVT and everything and 1215 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,120 against CVT. But I think, I think it's, I 1216 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,200 think I prefer the ride and all that, but it's gotten so big. 1217 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,400 They have gotten. Both, both the Forester and the 1218 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,600 Outback have gotten so big that it is no longer the lifted wagon 1219 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,720 of a generation or two ago. You know, it's about the size 1220 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,600 again, you're seriously like, I don't think it's probably far 1221 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,400 off of like, you know, a a Tahoe of a couple generations ago. 1222 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,720 It is a big vehicle. It's wide. 1223 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,560 I mean, I'm a big guy, but it again, it's just so much vehicle 1224 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,120 and that's kind of what I keep coming back to. 1225 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,320 I think a lot of people like that. 1226 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,320 For me, maybe we want something a little smaller, but it's a 1227 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:44,800 great vehicle and none of the issues of of the EV that that 1228 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,760 said, the price of gas, the trail seeker may be enough. 1229 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,680 Those three vehicles, especially if you like Subarus, you know 1230 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,760 what you're getting into. You can't go, can't go wrong. 1231 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,440 Yeah. Well, and what about you? 1232 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,840 I'm saying because I had the Forester for the Avant's Women's 1233 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,880 Off Road Day in March. It was a Forester wilderness, 1234 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,400 you know, chewed up the course like didn't have a single 1235 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,680 hiccup. Super capable off road. 1236 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,240 Super capable off road, that's a distinguishing thing. 1237 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,600 Versus yeah, incredibly capable off road. 1238 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,080 I know when I talked to Dom later he said he had been 1239 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:24,000 because I had a Forrester Touring for the Off road day in 1240 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,880 2025 and so he had one. He was hoping I could have taken 1241 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,000 the Outback this year, but it wasn't available. 1242 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,280 So the Forester was available. But it was fun to compare 1243 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,440 because there's such a difference between the cars and, 1244 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,040 you know, I think I got to pick the Forester for my first choice 1245 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,560 because it was, we kept remarking, you know, we'd get in 1246 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,360 it like anytime Tori and I went anywhere, we'd get in it and 1247 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,200 within a couple minutes we both would say, like, gosh, I love 1248 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,240 this car. You know, sometimes we wouldn't 1249 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,280 even be out of the parking garage and we'd be saying like 1250 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,960 and love this car because the interiors have come so far. 1251 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,840 Again, it was such a nice place to be. 1252 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,400 There were all these little design touches. 1253 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,960 It drove really nicely. Plenty of space in the backseat 1254 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,280 for my daughter, plenty of cargo space. 1255 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,640 I love. Yeah. 1256 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,880 And like, because it was the wilderness package. 1257 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,440 It came with rubber mats. And especially in Seattle and I 1258 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,640 would imagine in Denver, you guys have weather. 1259 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,240 It's nice to know We could just, you know, like, if we got wet or 1260 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,120 we got muddy or we got snowy or whatever, you can throw stuff in 1261 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,600 the back and you don't worry about it. 1262 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,160 And it was a nice car. And I think the same thing, you 1263 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,200 know, we talk about like, what's the thing you could go off 1264 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,920 roading in and then go to the black tie event. 1265 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,720 Yeah. Like the exterior isn't quite 1266 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,840 black tie yet, but they're they're so nice looking at this 1267 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,920 point. Really nice. 1268 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,400 Looking you still could show up to a black tie event in that and 1269 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,760 be proud of it and like so that's my first choice I highly 1270 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,760 recommend them yeah loved driving it I spent the week with 1271 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,640 it yeah you know I. Need to have them. 1272 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,200 I need to have the Forester again, I think immediately after 1273 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:09,920 this Outback because you know, I just they're, I think it's going 1274 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,640 to be the details. Yeah, yeah, it does help to 1275 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,840 compare. But yeah, that was 1, You know, 1276 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,400 and we've all talked about this on the show of like, what's the 1277 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,760 press car that kind of has you, you know, in a chokehold that, 1278 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,280 you know, when you go to hand it back, you're going to miss it. 1279 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,920 Like, you know, even when you have it, you're like, this is 1280 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,240 going to be a tough one to hand back because we're driving so 1281 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,440 many different things that if something when you catch 1282 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,520 yourself going like, man, I'm going to miss this one. 1283 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,920 That is notable because of we got to drive so many different 1284 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,520 things. So the Forester I miss, Yeah. 1285 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,160 Yeah, and this is what I'll say about Subaru. 1286 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,920 You know, they're honest cars, right, Even though they can be 1287 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,400 quirky. But that's I guess kind of the 1288 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,160 part of the term too, you know, it's. 1289 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,720 Like what a dog say like they need some turmoil in the in. 1290 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,840 The design or in the car? Yeah, and despite everything 1291 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:04,200 I've said, like I probably still buy a Trail Seeker, they're. 1292 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,200 They're great. Yeah, yeah. 1293 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,600 But I think probably the Outback or the Forester make more sense 1294 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,320 for most people, probably what they're looking for. 1295 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,960 But God, you think about like the, there was an appeal to like 1296 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,280 the Subarus of like 3 generations ago, but you look 1297 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,160 back and they were just so plain and plastic. 1298 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,280 And like the new ones are are, I guess they've kind of grown with 1299 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,240 their audience, right? It's more. 1300 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,680 Expensive. They've gotten bigger, they've 1301 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,560 gotten more upscale. You know, everything works. 1302 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,920 You get in, I, I got to say this, this Outback, I get in, it 1303 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,960 recognizes that you have a phone that's unpaired and within 1015 1304 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,600 seconds my phone was, was, was connected and I was, I was 1305 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,200 cooking with gas. That's not every car that in 1306 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,480 fact, that's not a lot of cars. And so the ease of use, you 1307 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,360 know, it's really easy to get in and out, right, Even compared to 1308 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,640 other cars in its class. You know, everything works as it 1309 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,240 should. You know, it's just, it's, it's, 1310 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,400 it's you. Have to worry about. 1311 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,880 Potholes. And yeah, it's just especially 1312 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,160 here in Colorado or in Seattle, it is they're the right car for 1313 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,600 most people. They're just, they're, they're 1314 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,760 just honest and good and, and they work and yeah. 1315 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,400 Yeah, it was something where I'm like, I'm very happy to show up 1316 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,160 anywhere in this car. Like I'm proud to arrive in 1317 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:17,400 this. It's. 1318 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,120 Like a pair of jeans, right? Like, you can dress it up. 1319 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,800 You can, yeah, whatever you know, but. 1320 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,520 That's been well, and, you know, and the Wilderness, you know, I 1321 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,760 haven't seen the other trim levels in the most current 1322 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,160 design, but like the level of detail that went into the 1323 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,480 interior and all the little touches. 1324 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,400 But it wasn't too much because sometimes you're like, oh, they 1325 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,800 tried to do too much. Yeah, that is not the case. 1326 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,640 They did such a good job and truly we were saying out loud to 1327 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,440 each other. After having said that, you 1328 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,280 know, six days in a row, we're like, OK, we can't stop saying 1329 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,400 it. We love this car. 1330 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,760 Yeah, yeah, there's just, there's kind of like an old, 1331 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,440 well, I said that in the post, like, you know, hello, old 1332 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,680 friend. Like, I mean, that's kind of how 1333 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,320 they feel. And I will say I think I prefer 1334 01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,280 the size. The trail seeker seemed a little 1335 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,680 more tailored. And I I think to me, and it's 1336 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,960 just yeah, that would that there's an appeal in that. 1337 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:13,240 So yeah, yeah, Subaru, I mean, Subaru's just kind of kind of 1338 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,240 its own lane, but I love them for that. 1339 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,120 You know, sometimes it can be frustrating, but damn, they do. 1340 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,520 They're just great cars. They're just good, honest cars. 1341 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,240 Right, we didn't know that we were going to be writing a love 1342 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,439 letter to Subaru, but here we are. 1343 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,680 No, no. And I didn't really talk about 1344 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,880 that BRZA lot, but that BRZ is, you know, I'm missing it. 1345 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,479 I'm missing it for sure. Yeah, well, that's a good sign, 1346 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,319 right? Very different car from these 1347 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:41,080 other cars we're talking. What A2 door manual compared to 1348 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,359 a family hauler that you can take off road? 1349 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,880 I don't think you should. Be hard of a car, but they're 1350 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,520 all kind of sweethearts of of of of their, you know, I don't know 1351 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,000 their of their type. Right. 1352 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,120 They do their jobs very well. Yeah. 1353 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:53,880 Yeah. Anyway. 1354 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,560 All right enough. All right, so. 1355 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,800 So someone texted me tonight like how much is Subaru paying 1356 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,760 you? I said I wish you know, but 1357 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,680 they're endearing. Now what we are happy to, we are 1358 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,120 happy to spend time with their cars. 1359 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,520 So that should tell you something. 1360 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,160 OK, so let's see. The next category is of of the 1361 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,399 cars that you have driven both at the events and press cars. 1362 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,680 Was there one that struck you as being a great option for like a 1363 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,960 20 year old or a college student or you know, somebody early 20s 1364 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,920 kind of just starting out? Was there something where you 1365 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,160 went that is the use case for this car? 1366 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,720 And you can see now kind of pricey for a college kid, but I, 1367 01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,240 I think I did a post about this too. 1368 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,720 If you've got high school kid, college kid learning to drive 1369 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,520 stick BRZ is fantastic because he can be Elliot. 1370 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,880 And you know, it is pricey. You know, you don't need the TS 1371 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,520 or whatever, but it'll make an enthusiast out of that, out of 1372 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,800 that recipient. You know, fortunately, 1373 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,360 unfortunately, I don't know, they've driven a lot of cars in 1374 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,360 that class, right. A lot of these cars I think are 1375 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,160 in in the BRZ too. You know, again, probably too 1376 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,440 expensive. You know, I was, you know, so 1377 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,800 you know, if if it's college young person, you got to think 1378 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,560 it's got to be on the cheap end. I don't what have you driven 1379 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,280 that sort of in that class? I don't know. 1380 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,560 That I was just looking at so and we talked. 1381 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,640 About face Wrangler maybe, which wasn't even on our list, but 1382 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,360 like I think would be a pretty great car for a college kid, 1383 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,160 but. Could be, I feel like that one 1384 01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,680 maybe incites some hooliganism, which depends on what your 1385 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,640 family's thoughts are on. You know, I've seen hooliganism 1386 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,840 Few. Old Jeeps here in Colorado. 1387 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,320 So yeah, what about what's the what's the smaller EV Subaru? 1388 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,240 So the one that we talked about and I think Lynn has this as a 1389 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,440 long term loan and I had it for a week is the cross track and 1390 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:51,000 that's a phenomenal to. Yeah, that that would be the car 1391 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,560 for that would be. Yeah, that would be the. 1392 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,920 One, but I was just looking at the cars that we have on our 1393 01:10:54,920 --> 01:11:00,280 list today. I think the Ionic 5 is so nice 1394 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,480 that I feel like because I'm picturing like these are kids 1395 01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:06,120 that are going to be moving regularly or moving frequently 1396 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,000 during those years, parking it on. 1397 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,120 A lot. Yeah, so I think the Hyundai 1398 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,080 Tucson would be a good option. Yeah, actually I just spent the 1399 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,720 week with a Mazda 3 hatchback and that was a fantastic. 1400 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,480 That's that class of Car, right? I've not driven it, but that 1401 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,360 would be the that would be the class of Car. 1402 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,800 But what was so funny is because I was thinking before I got it, 1403 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,280 I'm like, all right, this like the use case is maybe somebody 1404 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:37,320 that's in a city or there, you know, it's a great option 1405 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,560 because you can take people in it. 1406 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,920 There was plenty of space for my daughter. 1407 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,760 I ended up having some furniture that we weren't using anymore 1408 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,040 and I was able to put that in the back. 1409 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,600 The seats folded down super easily so you could. 1410 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,080 Down the woods. Right, just chucked it out. 1411 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,840 No, I took it to the donation place, but the seat, it was the 1412 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,000 utility of it for the size was striking. 1413 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,160 And so I think that would be a great option. 1414 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,320 But what was funny about the one that I had, it was this 1415 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,800 beautiful kind of champagne, silvery gold color with a black 1416 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,720 interior. And I was telling the fleet 1417 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,880 people, I'm like, this feels like a luxury car with the way 1418 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,040 that it has been, you know, the color way or the spec or 1419 01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,200 whatever you want to call it. And the interior was really 1420 01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,760 nice. It was a great place to be. 1421 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,920 So it felt very fancy. And then you have the utility. 1422 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,480 And I think it would be great for a college student possibly 1423 01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:31,680 or somebody, Again, if you're like a young professional just 1424 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,640 starting out and you want something that looks nice but 1425 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,800 isn't going to break the bank, that's a good option. 1426 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,520 And let's see, what else. We've talked about the Subarus 1427 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,360 in this way before, but they're kind of like demographic 1428 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,600 crushers, right? You can be a wealthy person, you 1429 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,600 can be a less wealthy person, whatever. 1430 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,720 And it's like, it's never really out of place, right? 1431 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,680 It's like that. 100%, especially in this beautiful color that it 1432 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,240 was like manga is really killing it with paint colors because 1433 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,840 they're very elegant. The red super, you know, 1434 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,480 striking and fun. I'm trying to think what else I 1435 01:13:03,480 --> 01:13:06,480 think the depending on, you know, for the Colorado College 1436 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,440 student, maybe the Trail Hunter Forerunner. 1437 01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:11,520 Trail Hunter is a good option. Yeah, possibly. 1438 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,120 Yeah, yeah, that's those are for those Boulder kids. 1439 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:17,600 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Not to do like a very 1440 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,800 narrow use case. Let's see what else. 1441 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,240 I mean, any of this, you know, Subaru, Forester, Outback, any 1442 01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,720 of those I think would be a good option. 1443 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,320 Used versions used out, you know, options of. 1444 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,480 Yeah, we're we're saying money's no object, just the car itself. 1445 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,720 I I didn't have a car in college so. 1446 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,520 No, I didn't either actually. So one that I drove at the 1447 01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,960 event, which totally caught me by surprise, which is what's so 1448 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,680 fun about doing this, was the Hyundai Venue. 1449 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,760 I don't know if you've seen. One, that's the little one, 1450 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:47,400 right? This is. 1451 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,480 It looks a little bit like so many club men to me. 1452 01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,520 Yeah, yeah. I've not driven. 1453 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,080 That similar. It was great. 1454 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:56,960 A little car. Yeah. 1455 01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,840 Yeah, it was great. I think it'd be great for a 1456 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,560 college student because, And it has a back seat, so you could 1457 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,360 take four people, not for a long trip, but you could fold the 1458 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:08,040 seat down and take some stuff. And I think because it's 1459 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,120 lighter, it got up and moved on the highway. 1460 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,160 Yeah. And the design into like, 1461 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,080 inside, it felt like a European car. 1462 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,160 And so I got in and I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm on a 1463 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,840 European vacation. That's what was, I was the thing 1464 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,880 you go to Europe or something, you get like some little like 1465 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,280 Renault or something and it's like, yeah, it's a cheap car and 1466 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,840 it, you know, it doesn't feel like, but it's like done right. 1467 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,120 And I think that's maybe the more challenging thing. 1468 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,880 How do you make a, you know, a smaller car feel? 1469 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,040 Yeah, it felt like a treat. Which those cars do not. 1470 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,200 Cars in that class don't always feel like that. 1471 01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,920 And I got out and I'm like, that was really fun and I'm really 1472 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,000 glad I got to try it. It's not something that I would 1473 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,160 typically gravitate towards because, you know, I think I 1474 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,440 need a little more space just with people and stuff and all 1475 01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,680 that. But I'm like, this is a great 1476 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,480 car, especially if you were in a city and you wanted something 1477 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:02,120 that was pretty versatile, like good gas mileage, not going to 1478 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:06,360 break the bank. And the interior, it was like a 1479 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:11,520 2 tone kind of denemy color. It was interesting and fun and 1480 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,080 like, I think it would be a good option. 1481 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:19,480 And then we drove the Kia K4 hatchback and it drove really 1482 01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:23,800 nicely again, like not enormous, but you could take some things, 1483 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,880 you could take people. I think that would be a good 1484 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,920 option. Yeah, I think, you know, that's 1485 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,880 the Rav 4 those. Are good options, but again, 1486 01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,200 don't get your college kid a brand new car. 1487 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,560 No, no, no, like I. Know you got get him one, get 1488 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,560 him a 15,000 dollar $5000. So you're like, come on, you 1489 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,600 know, the kids are. So we're suggesting categories. 1490 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,000 Here, But yeah, let him know what it's like to be on the side 1491 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,400 of the road with a broken down car, you know, or a flat tight. 1492 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,200 I'm Jack, like a man. I don't love that idea, but. 1493 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,440 But no, I don't think anyone should be going and spending, 1494 01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:58,440 you know? Did you post something was like 1495 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:01,760 Pepperdine or something? The cars that you saw parked or 1496 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,280 maybe you forwarded it from someone? 1497 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,680 Else I think I sent it to you. Yeah, it was a recent, like 1498 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,360 driving through the parking lot at Pepperdine. 1499 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,080 And I was like accurate. Yeah, Pepperdine. 1500 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,240 And I know it's Malibu and you know, but yeah. 1501 01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,400 So of all of the cars that we have driven lately, like in the 1502 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,320 last few months, yeah, what would you choose? 1503 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,720 What is your ideal 2 car garage? No budget restriction, yeah. 1504 01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,680 Of all the cars OK, so I've I've driven some things you haven't 1505 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,160 driven well that's the thing I. Would. 1506 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:37,280 Say Mercedes-Benz AMG right? So I have to dip into to that 1507 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,880 fleet. So everything from the CLA 45 SI 1508 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,280 guess it was to the top of the line. 1509 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,480 SL 63 E performance, I think it's called. 1510 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,560 Obviously, that's the you know, that's the barn burner. 1511 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,160 Strangely, though, I was actually drawn to the standard 1512 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,160 S6 SL 63, the non hybrid version. 1513 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,040 So you I think it's only got 600 horsepower instead of 800 1514 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,440 horsepower. Not nearly the torque, but it 1515 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,760 actually felt almost as fast and I found it more fun to drive in 1516 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,280 the twisties because it was just lighter, especially on the front 1517 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,000 end. It just it danced a little more 1518 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,720 easily, but the the car that really surprised me for the 1519 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,840 price point was the CLA 45. I don't love the way it looks 1520 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,280 from certain angles, other angles. 1521 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:24,560 It looks quite good. And it's the back seat is not a 1522 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,800 place you want to spend extended periods of time as someone who's 1523 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:33,040 64, but that's the most possible of of that crew. 1524 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:39,960 The, you know, honorable mention to the the GT63, they call them 1525 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,920 the coupe's. It's this 4 door sedan. 1526 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:47,160 We didn't have any GT63's the the big long 2 door this year, 1527 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,640 but you know, they all have the same powertrain. 1528 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,360 So I would have to let's go with the standard SL63 in that garage 1529 01:17:54,360 --> 01:18:02,000 to answer the question. And God, you know, I know I've, 1530 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,200 I've, I've given conflicting views on this car, but give me 1531 01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,080 that trail. Gonna be bad and the trail 1532 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,120 seeker. Depending on the day, I yeah, I, 1533 01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:16,080 I, I, I long for that car. I cursed that car, that truck. 1534 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,760 But you know, that would be a pretty great two car solution in 1535 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,000 Colorado. But I'd probably plug that 1536 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,280 snorkel. What about you? 1537 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,200 Yeah. And you can pick from the the 1538 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,080 AMG fleet if you want something fun. 1539 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,480 I know. I think so, yeah. 1540 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:37,280 So what your Tell us again your favorite of the Mercedes? 1541 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,600 The car OK, so the CLA is the car that I happily took when 1542 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,760 everyone else obviously went toward the you know the the the 1543 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:50,200 SLS. I, I love the SL 63 because it's 1544 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,920 it does everything that the GT coupe does like the actual 1545 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,800 coupe, not the four door coupe does, but you have the option of 1546 01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,720 putting the top down. It was it's very structurally 1547 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,720 sound, which I didn't experience in the what is it the Cle 1548 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,320 convertibles? I thought those. 1549 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,320 Had a lot of flux and stuff. The SL63 it's all the car you'd 1550 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,280 ever want. It's not the sports car that 1551 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:16,360 maybe like a GT3 is or something, but is a is a GT car 1552 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,280 pretty hard to beat. The top goes up and down in 1553 01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,560 like, I don't know, 12 seconds and you can do it up to 37 miles 1554 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,160 an hour. So, you know, hopping on the 1555 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,120 highway, you know, until you get up to speed or around town, 1556 01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:29,680 right, You know, you could put the top up and down. 1557 01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,360 It's just a a great car. I mean, it's an expensive car, a 1558 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,720 couple $100,000. But I wouldn't I wouldn't even 1559 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,680 waste my money on the E performance or you know, and now 1560 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,440 I'm not factoring in like fuel economy and that kind of thing. 1561 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,120 I would just do the standard S63SL63. 1562 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,160 So there you go. You heard it here. 1563 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:52,520 Yeah. OK, so I'm afraid that mine 1564 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,880 might be like the perfect six car solution because I'm looking 1565 01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:00,800 at this list and I'm thinking they're just so many great 1566 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,640 options. Like I really enjoyed the 1567 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:10,240 Genesis G80, loved the Ionic 5. I loved the Mazda CX5. 1568 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,520 I mean, I was given the option of trading it for something else 1569 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,760 and I chose to spend 4 plus more hours and several more days with 1570 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,240 it. Yeah, I mean and the Integra, 1571 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,280 because it's a manual. Oh God, I forgot. 1572 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,600 I know, right? I might actually forgo the 1573 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,600 forerunner for that Integra. Yeah, so. 1574 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,680 And have just as much fun or pleasure, get much get just as 1575 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,680 much pleasure or that Integra as the Mercedes. 1576 01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,600 Honestly, it's just, it's a, it's a different experience, 1577 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,720 but. I know. 1578 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:45,480 I mean, I guess I, I don't know, I can't pick just two is the 1579 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:47,160 problem because there are so many good ones. 1580 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,040 OK, so I'm just going to say I'm making a new question for 1581 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,240 myself. So the ones that I really loved 1582 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,800 were the Genesis G80, the Hyundai Ionic 5, obviously Mazda 1583 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,600 CX5. I think that would just be a 1584 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,560 fantastic family car. And the one that I had was white 1585 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,160 with this like kind of toasted tan interior. 1586 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:11,600 So you just felt very elegant in it running around the Acura 1587 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:19,120 Integra, which I am loving, Subaru Forester Wilderness and 1588 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,320 let's see what else. I don't think you you've still 1589 01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,680 reached the the budget that I my. 1590 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,800 I know, so keep going. Yeah, so I have plenty of room 1591 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,080 to play with. It's one thing you know, and 1592 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,560 definitely one of the Ram TRXS well. 1593 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,520 Now, now, you just blew the budget. 1594 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,320 Now I blew past, so you know who's keeping score? 1595 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,000 We got to drive the Kia Telluride. 1596 01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:47,640 Both both of them talk. About that, I forgot to put that 1597 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,880 on the list. And you know, that is a 1598 01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,640 fantastic car. Like too big. 1599 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,640 For me it's too big for me but drives great. 1600 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,200 Drives delightfully and it was interesting because we also had 1601 01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,400 a Kia Celtos, which is a smaller SUV, at this most recent event. 1602 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,320 I've returned that too. I forgot about it. 1603 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,440 So I, and I don't know about you, I noticed a really big 1604 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:10,400 difference between the Telluride and the Celtos. 1605 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,560 I had driven the Telluride before at the event in May. 1606 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,240 And so then when I noticed that it was at this one and I hadn't 1607 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,440 driven the Celtos and I thought, well, I've driven the Telluride. 1608 01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,680 I, I can guess what this is going to be like. 1609 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,160 It was a very different driving experience. 1610 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,160 I wish it had a little bit bigger engine. 1611 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,680 So, but again, like lovely inside, but if I had to choose 1612 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,800 between the two, I would choose the Telluride because I feel 1613 01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:39,320 plenty of power. It's got a third row seat. 1614 01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:44,440 So you know, for me, I could take kids, dogs, stuff, whatever 1615 01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:49,360 like but it's not enormous. It's still easy to park so I 1616 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,440 would great. Handling thing I drove the the 1617 01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:54,440 off road version, whatever that was called and and hustled it up 1618 01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:56,400 the twisties and had a good time. 1619 01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,280 I mean, it protested a little bit, but compared to most 1620 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,280 vehicles of that size, incredibly lovely driving 1621 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,760 dynamics, so. Yeah, we off roaded those at 1622 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:11,320 Mudfest and it did every did the whole course no problem. 1623 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,680 Yeah. So there's some cars we didn't 1624 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,240 really talk about, but this is an hour and a half, so we 1625 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,960 probably need to wrap this up. Some cars we, I, I think by 1626 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,720 their omission, we, you probably get a sense of our, our take on 1627 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,040 them. But but even those weren't bad. 1628 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,160 It's just like things have gotten so good. 1629 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,120 We've talked about this before. We're in sort of a golden era of 1630 01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,400 cars and yeah, there are wonderful hyper cars and things, 1631 01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,640 but just the regular cars are so, so good. 1632 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,000 I mean, we grew up with like K cars around and stuff like this 1633 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000 where that was kind of like what Ford Escorts of, you know, the 1634 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,360 80s or whatever. I mean, we've just, we've, we've 1635 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,800 left so many. I was going to say the leap, the 1636 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,560 leaps and bounds, the advances. Yeah, yeah, the advances are 1637 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,720 are, yeah, yeah, I know. Kind of mind boggling so. 1638 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,560 Well, and you know what? OK, so I have yeah mine is 1639 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,680 probably like an 8 car garage but you know anyway, we're gonna 1640 01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,320 just go with it. The magma is fun for the like 1641 01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:08,880 shock value, the color and the noise like the exhaust sounds 1642 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,520 great. I mean, not, you know, exhaust, 1643 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,280 but the engine, the noise sounds great and like it was that 1644 01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,160 bright orange colour. And again, Genesis is just doing 1645 01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:20,800 amazing things with their interior. 1646 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,760 It's a great place to hang out. Yeah, their. 1647 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,240 Next generation of cars as they come out, I think is they're 1648 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:27,760 going to be game changers, you know? 1649 01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:32,120 I mean, on top of what they've already done, yeah, the Lexus 1650 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,360 ES350 EI would absolutely have one of those. 1651 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:41,360 And let's see. And I would probably let Ryan 1652 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,200 pick a Mercedes for me. So just because why not? 1653 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,800 At this point I already. Those Mercedes AMGS deserve a 1654 01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,040 whole other. All the actual. 1655 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,960 Show of their own so. Yeah, I know. 1656 01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:57,840 It's yeah, yeah, that's a show. It is. 1657 01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,320 I know it's a. Show and 1/2. 1658 01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,400 It is clearly we have so much to say because we have this 1659 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,840 delightful problem where we're getting to drive all these cars 1660 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,120 and obviously we could keep talking. 1661 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,800 So we'll have to just make this a regular feature maybe, but for 1662 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,480 now, I think we will leave it with our multi car garages. 1663 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:19,600 So we call and wrap it up for this week. 1664 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,080 So we will say thank you so much to our audience for joining us 1665 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,320 and we appreciate you being here and spending time with us each 1666 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,440 week telling your enthusiast friends about the show. 1667 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,560 And of course, if you like what we're doing, please consider 1668 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,640 leaving a five star review and subscribing and liking and all 1669 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,440 of that. 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