They're on me. I'm getting careless.
Hey, Einstein, I'm on your side. What the heck?
Welcome to Remember 64 for the 50th official episode of the
podcast. And of course, that means this
week we have to kill a. Barrel roll.
Welcome to the show everyone. Whether this is your first
episode or you have been with us for 50 along the way.
My name is David Pitrangelo and sorry Boomer, I will not be
doing a barrel roll this time. Jiggy, look Back is joining me,
Sir. Hello.
Hi. Hi, welcome to this semi
celebratory episode of. 50 episodes Mike Gosh.
What the heck have we done? I'm sorry, everybody.
I'm sorry deeply. Of course Jiggy's with me.
But of course, we had to bring Luigi's apartment back once
again, Sir. How's it going, man?
Welcome to the Back to the Show. Those who cross Andros will die.
Hi Sir how are ya? Hi, how's it going?
Good, Good. Good, good.
And. My brain totally blanks, like
completely with Star Fox 64 quotes, even though, like, I
could probably pull a billion out.
I just like couldn't think of anything.
It's almost like there's too many.
That's the that's the issue. There's it's just it's a it's a
game of 1 liners like that's. You can.
Say there it is. You've gotten careless.
Oh yeah. All right.
Well, the three of us are are here on the show, but of course
because this is a celebratory type of episode, because this is
a massive game to be talking about of Star Fox 64, we have to
have a full four person team for this.
We are Star Fox. Chris from A novel Console is
here. Chris, welcome to the show for
the first time. Thank you.
And Dave, I'm sorry, but can't let you brood at Starbucks or
Starbucks. Bucks something.
About coffee and a Yeah, yeah, something about coffee and a
dog. Dude. 50 episodes is insane.
Congratulations. Thank you.
I I know it's difficult. I've seen a ton of podcasts that
had a lot of potential to fizzle out after three episodes.
And your quality and the way that you sound and the product
that you put out, dude, it's incredible for 50, it's like
you've been doing it forever. Oh, I I, I've been doing it for
probably too long, if you ask some people out there.
But hey, here I am and here we are.
We're doing, I mean. I think a number of podcasts
that I've made that have fizzled out in around 3 episodes
prepares you to make, you know, quality entertainment.
It's all about preparation, isn't it?
Yeah, 100%. OK, so this is, like I said,
we're, we're at, we're at 50, we're at sort of a celebratory
sort of episode here. I guess it's, you know, you hit
those like even numbers and you're like, oh, that's awesome.
I just, I had to pick a larger game, a more sort of standout
title. I've done a few in the past when
the show first started, but this was one that I wanted to hang on
to for a while because I think across the board it's pretty
beloved. You know, I don't think you can
really find someone that says, like, this game is terrible.
Maybe it's not your thing. That's totally fine.
But I mean. I have to throw this out here,
please. So in preparation for this just
'cause I was in the Star Fox mood, I made a tweet and I was
just like Star Fox 64 is one of those games that I just, I can't
fault it. It's like, perfect.
I was like, what do you think? And there were hundreds of
replies of people either telling me that it's one of their
favorite games and they agree that it's perfect, or just
naming off a list of other perfect games.
But no one was like Star Fox 64. Like everyone generally really
likes this game. It's it's just, I don't know.
I perfect is hard to to attribute to any kind of game
movie, TV show, whatever. I I don't want to say anything's
perfect, but it's like there's just something about the feeling
when you play this game. And I think that's what I always
recaptured every time I've turned this game on again.
And it happened once again over the last couple weeks since I
played. I don't know, ten runs of this
or something. I just, I don't know why it's so
easy to do. It takes an hour at the most.
You know like it's it's all it's it's so it's just flat out fun.
Before we dive too far into the game itself, Chris, because you
haven't been on the show before, this is sort of our.
Hit the brakes. Yeah, hit the hit the brakes,
please. You clearly have them all ready
to go. Whenever there's an opportunity
to use them, please use them, because I will forget Chris.
Let's let's chat a little bit about your experience with the
64 and with Starfox. Is this a console you grew up
with? Is it something came to later?
Is it sort of a a favorite, a middle of the ground type of
thing? What's your experience with the
with the console? So the the 64 was the first
console that I had that was mine.
I did have a a Gameboy and you know, neighbors, cousins.
Everybody had video game consoles except for me.
And when I finally got one, my parents got me one.
It was a 64. It had Mario 64 and Torok.
I couldn't play Torok because I was like 8 years old and my
parents would not let me touch it that.
Oh no dude, don't worry. It wasn't that bad to the
parents. It's really not that bad.
It's just dinosaurs. Yeah.
But and and the The thing is that they had like the game
complete in box in the trunk of my mom's car and it haunted me.
It was there for months until they decided to get rid of it.
No, but Star Fox, the first time that I played it was at a
neighbor's house. He told me all about the Rumble
pack, how the game looks, how it was and I just couldn't believe
it. And went over to his house,
played at the first stage over and over again, because we kept
dying. And I was just mesmerized.
I I was well, we also died a lot because my first language is
Spanish, it's not English. So we didn't know what to do.
So when they told told us to hit the brakes, we had no idea what
the hell to do. So did.
Mob ever find your location and she?
Rob, I We noticed that the button would start like flashing
like crazy and we looked at the controller trying to figure out
what button we have to try which one.
And then and then every time after that it was like automatic
reflex. We see like a hint of yellow
just popping up at the top of the screen.
Just press the button. Yeah, but you know, I told my
parents they I rented it a bunch of times from a local rental
store and it was usually we would get Pizza Hut, we would
get a cheese pan pizza, Starfox, and maybe some Carvel ice cream.
And that was my weekend. Oh yeah, man, I I cannot tell
you. I cannot tell you the memories
Pan Pizza and Starfox brings back.
So. So good if you if you smell
pizza, do you also smell Starfox?
And if you smell Starfox, do you also smell pizza?
Is that kind of like how your brain is wired now?
Usually, Usually. Well, usually it's pizza with
Starfox. The problem is, I'm not a furry.
So because I'm not a furry, I can't associate Starfox with
pizza. Fair enough.
Hey, I gotta ask. You gotta ask, right?
You gotta just trying to. Just trying to get get your
story straight, that's all. Just trying to figure it out.
You know, but it's the greatest game of all time, and if you say
otherwise, you're probably wrong.
Oh, snap. There it is.
I'm not gonna. Disagree.
Yeah, it's yeah, it it's it's hard to.
It's hard to to knock this. I actually just because it's
being pulled up right now in the video.
I think the sound works. I think when I accidentally
pressed it a minute ago, you guys probably heard it.
Very loud. This is a very loud OK, I'm
going to lower it then. This one?
No, you're fine. This part is.
The best and love love the way this came.
Check your G diffuser. System Did you guys check your G
diffuser? Before we started.
Falco here. I'm fine.
I always check my cheek. He's fine.
He's tonight. Taco's tonight, All right now.
Also, Pepe is my Pepe is my the boomer I was referring to.
Always telling you what to do, thinking he knows what's best.
Sorry dude. He He often does.
I He's stuck in the past, man, He's stuck in the past.
I don't know. I mean, he knows how to kill
everything. That's that's true.
That's true. And he's like, he's like, yeah,
look, it's weak. It's weak points right here.
Just just murder it, Fox. Like you know.
Yeah, Pepe. Pepe knows what's up.
It's it's sad because like after Star Fox 64, Pepe kind of takes
a back seat where he's in the game, but he's literally, he's
never a pilot again, you know? I.
Well, I mean, we don't even see Falco in in Adventures, so.
I mean. We till the end.
Yeah. Till the end.
But he comes in, he comes in like that hero, you know?
He comes in after they get paid OK.
He smells money and walks in the door.
But he feeds you a bunch of bombs.
He's like, oh, you look like you.
Can you smell? Yes, I could.
Falco, thanks for showing up just in the nick of time.
I recognize you. Is Falco just miserable, or is
he just like, yeah, this is another day at the office.
Like, what's his deal? Falco is the best pilot of the
bunch. Yeah, yeah, he's probably.
Know him? Well, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, the fact that he's
the best pilot doesn't mean that he's the best fighter pilot
because he just not take anybody down, he.
Yeah, it's it's like the difference between a singer and
a performer. You know, that's.
Because you, that's because you take out his hits, you know that
was his. He says that, right?
That was mine. And then he gets salty about it.
And then he just refuses after that.
Yeah, but but he like shoots once every like 5 seconds and he
expects those hit those shots to hit like it's not gonna happen,
dude. Like, come on, you can't get
salty afterwards. It's not that easy, right?
Like it can't be. I mean like.
He's all numbered. I got to catch him.
I don't know if I actually do
here. I don't.
I don't know. I.
Don't know does he actually do anything though.
See that was. Like he's supposed to be better.
Like, can you just mean like you can leave him alone?
If he dies, does that mean something bad?
Like, does Slippy going to die because he's not around to,
like, run cover on Slippy? Right.
I don't know. So they're they're like all they
all have like their own roles, more or less.
Peppy supposed to be the advisor.
Slippy is the one that tells you you know how much health and
enemy has. Falco is the one that tells you
the secret paths. So every time that there's a
secret path that you can take, he'll tell you, hey, follow me.
And just like Dave is doing now, he's gonna tell you how to get
to the secret boss. Now that you say that.
Yeah, well this one, you're right.
It it never clues in to me on this one because I already know
what it is and I don't know, it just looks like something you
can do. That's.
I think that I think that's one of those ones where back in the
day where you would just stumble upon something, it's like, oh,
there's there's, you know, Half Moon things here.
Let's just let's try and go through them because that looks
fun. And then it takes you somewhere.
I can't remember which stage it is.
There's another one where he says something specifically.
Follow me. Yeah, he like, there's a there's
a like, 'cause as soon as you say that, like, I'm remembering
these times where like, he just has these, like this panicked
lines, 'cause he sees something. And like, Oh yeah, that's
totally what's going on, is he's the secret guy.
But what I think on some of the levels is he just say kill
everybody, Fox, we got to kill them all 50 kills to get a
medal. Let's go Genocide in the I think
the other one that Dave's talking to is Sonis, 'cause I
think he's the one to tell you shoot down all the lights and
don't let him spot. You.
Yeah, that's great. That's one of them.
Yeah. There's another one too, where I
think. I think it's the only where the.
I don't even know what the name of the levels are.
I should have it pulled up. Describe.
Now it's time to play. Describe.
Describe the the. Co Host.
It's in space. There are ships and lasers.
There are ships, lasers. And.
I mean that that takes out like that narrows it down to like
five or six, yeah. Actually, that's kind of true,
right? Yeah.
Thinking that it's that's not
what it is. It's the one where where the.
I think the stuff is broke, all this stuff is is broken up and
then I think it's a stage with the.
Check directs check direct so. Yeah.
Where you go? Up or down or left or right, I
think at one point. OK, so.
Yeah, that's. The one why?
Because that's the second level that's what we're about to be
going to, right? Yeah, that's sector Y.
Sector X is the one that splits, where you either take out like
and a whole bunch of artillery or you go and shoot the gate so
you can, Oh yeah, shoot off into hyperspace.
Yeah, yeah. And then Z is the one up top
where the missiles come out and the enemies are extra
aggressive. Yes, right, right.
It's I. So that's what he does.
And it it's OK. But I still think that unless
he's like, specifically says, like, follow me or I'll take the
left, you take the right, like unless he says that to me,
Pepe's the most useful out of the three I like.
I like seeing a health bar. It's reassuring to me to know
that I'm actually. No, he's the hint guy.
Slippy's the health. Bar Slippy's The Health.
Bar Sorry, that's what I meant. That's what I meant.
I mean he he, his dad built the submarine.
You know he's important. He's Let's get some love for
Slippy, yeah. Flying a torpedoes.
Yeah, all the torpedoes, Infinite torpedoes.
In that. I don't hand cramps.
I don't hate that level as much as I hate Zonus though.
The cat level, The Searchlight level.
So the thing, the thing about the the Searchlight level, that
it looks poopy. It looks poopy, right?
But I just, I don't like playing in the submarine personally.
It it's just too you. I think if you could use like a
more standard weapon than having to shoot the torpedoes every
time because they're kind of slow.
Yeah 'cause you can lay on the laser, but you might as well
just you just got to be like spamming torpedoes.
Constantly. Often the the enemies can't like
they're all armored underwater for some reason like every
single one. They're like use the torpedoes.
It's like, OK, but do I have to like, I know you passed them
saying you're packing them, but do I have?
Thank you for packing them. How did?
How did they just, like, continuously regenerate?
Yeah, I that's. A good question.
Yeah, that's what they that's what they do, right?
Isn't that? Yeah.
There's no, there's no count. It's not like the bombs or
whatever, right. So they just it.
Has an Infinity symbol on it. Yeah exactly.
I I I don't like that level either one because I think it's
no I I don't know I I think it's pretty it's pretty hard because
it's also very crammed at points much more than other levels and
it's dark and everything and you know if you play it on the on
the actual 64 and and not on on Switch it's it feels even darker
because the one on Switch everything is sort of a little
bit brighter it feels a little bit I don't know what they've
done to sort of like glam up the 64 on on Switch online is is
pretty good I think things look look pretty good on there most
of them. So I very legible, yes.
Yeah, exactly. And I think that helps a little
bit, but I had a hard time seeing sometimes and that's
that's probably part of why I was terrible at that stage and
definitely died at least twice so.
Yeah, they also make you want to light up everything with the
torpedoes, but the problem is, once you shoot a torpedo until
it hits something, you're out of torpedoes.
So if you have a bunch of enemies in front of you that you
need to take out, you're not gonna do anything.
Slivvi's back there, making another one for you.
On the fly, yeah. Just quickly quickly creating
them. Yeah.
So what do you guys? OK.
So going through some of the stages and stuff like that, the
first one I think is a pretty good stage setter.
I think not only does it sort of give you different things to do
as far as like you know, locking onto characters and throwing a
couple bombs and maybe going to the the sort of you know, actual
boss, secret boss, whatever you want to call it.
All these different sort of scenarios that you can get in.
And I think that just the way the game is presented, whether
it's that stage or not, like just the way everything starts,
it just feels to me, it feels pretty epic, even though it's
the most simplistic level or one of the most simplistic levels.
And I just every time I boot up this game, you know, you start
from the beginning and I have no problem playing that first level
over and over and over again. It's a good secret tutorial.
Yes, that's. Like, Nintendo's really good
about, you know, introducing you to, like, what you're gonna be
doing and not you. Not realizing that running in
the sewers and in A Link to the Past is like, you're being
taught things, 'cause you're like, oh, cool, there's just
like rats and stuff down here. My dead uncle.
That's true. Secret Detroit.
That is everything I said over the course of like 5 sentences
could have just said, just been said very concisely like what
you did. So well done, Sir.
If you if you do the fake boss in in level 1 without you know
'cause you know what you're doing, that is an all range mode
boss, so you get to see that too.
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
I forgot about that. Yeah, and then on the flip side
of that, if you don't do that, you get the mission
accomplished, you go to the next level, the end boss of that one
is an all range boss. So it.
Covers its bosses. These they this.
One with. I hate that one.
Yeah, two Gundams flying around, Yeah.
They're they're hard to hit. Yeah, they're hard to hit and
that. First bus is like stupid easy
though. It's kind of like you hit his
leg, he just falls and he just sits there until you kill him.
See, I didn't realize that the first time I I I played it with
with my neighbor. So we just tried to keep hitting
the battery pack while it was standing.
And somehow we got really good at doing that.
I can't do it now. I try.
I try, I can't do. It.
I should have tried actually because I bet we did.
I bet I did the same thing at the time because naturally you
see it, you know, flashing when you hit it and you're like oh
that's the that's the hit point, right.
You're going to go for it. But but this time I did exactly
what Jiggy said. I just like I gotta take out the
leg and that's it and it's over. It takes like one bomb too
though and then like he's gone like it's it's fine.
It's OK for it to be easy. It's just the first stage and
stuff. But but yeah, I I.
How do you guys feel about? So I played the I played the the
lava stage. Solar.
Yeah, Solar. That's it.
Yeah, I played that a couple of times and I think I used to hate
it because it's like constantly the heat and it's chipping away
at your your Health and stuff like that.
I after playing a couple times like, OK, I get, yeah, no, I'm
good. I like this.
I like the sort of extra strategy of it and everything.
A couple of points you gotta make.
Yeah, a couple of points you gotta make sure you hit the
brakes without being told to hit the brakes.
You really gotta maneuver around and be more careful.
And I I like that it's it's not easy, but that's that's OK.
And you're sort of halfway through the the game at that
point anyways, at least, I don't know you guys thought if if you
guys enjoyed that one. Well, I mean like, and even the,
I don't know, lava birds or whatever.
Like. You wanna like, take out as many
as possible? Because you're right, health is
a factor. Yeah, this baby can take
temperatures up to 9000°, but you're gonna need to be getting
a lot of of silver, you know, rings and stuff like that to
keep your health up. Yeah.
I think it's interesting too that like, the lower you go, the
more it chips away at your health.
I thought that was. An interesting I really like
that level. Yeah, I like the boss in that
one. Oh yeah, yeah, the boss is cool.
It's like, just like a lava monster, right?
Like, yeah. Giant lava monster, yeah.
That that level, it it takes your health up to a certain
point, 'cause once you get close ish to the boss, it kind of
stops. Unless you're really low right?
And it it's an awful level to get the metal at.
It sucks to get the metal in that in that level, 'cause you
have to get 100 kills. And unless you're spamming the
bombs, you're not doing it. Dude, it takes so much.
Yeah. The good thing is that it's a
good. Yeah.
Yeah, the good thing is that it's a good, like refill level.
You can refill your bombs really easily, get the three rings,
spam a couple of extra ships, but you just got to keep
spamming bombs nonstop. And it's very good, 'cause the
bombs are very useful in Macbeth, especially at the
beginning of Macbeth. Oh, yeah, But yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I have this habit of not using my bombs enough.
Like I I don't know what it is. I don't know why I don't.
I have that you want to. Be conservative about it.
You want to hold on to them. You're like, what if I really
need these? What if I really need them at
the point that is right now that I really need them.
I don't know why. What if you need them even more
later? I'm just, I'm I'm too
conservative. That's that's the problem.
Oh yeah, no, I am playing the the Aquas level here, which
probably means I'm going to die in a couple minutes.
You know, you eat a couple lives in Aquas every time and it it
just, it's going to happen. Yeah, the So that's the one
thing that I don't love about this game.
If if you like the one thing that it's like, I guess you
could call it annoying. Like especially if you're
towards the end of the game and you die and you have to reset
your lasers essentially and all your sort of health, that that
sucks. That really sucks.
And it and it just makes it so much harder than it should be
like. That's that's the old school,
you know, top down or side scrolling, shoot em up.
Like when when you are just playing Gradius and like you
have the Victoria Viper completely decked out and you
die. It sucks.
Like I just reset the game. Like I just lose that quarter.
I'm done. I don't want to play anymore.
Like I want to go back to the beginning of the game and get my
my cool ship. Yeah.
This is so if you noticed. Oh, sorry.
Go ahead. Oh, it's going to be quick.
So if you noticed, there's a slight change in gameplay, not
only with the missiles and how slow it is, but when you shoot
in the submarine you only shoot once.
When you're in the R wing, every time you press the button it
does a three burst laser. Yeah, so that also adds to the
frustration of this stage that you can't just spam the laser,
you have to spam both laser and torpedo non-stop.
Yeah. So that muscle memory is is
different like your reaction. Is.
Yeah. Like it?
Yeah. Like it feels like a curveball.
The first time I played this stage, it felt like a ginormous
curveball. I don't think.
I think I wasted all my my lives the first time that I played it
in this stage cause. Wow, it's.
Yeah, it was very different. The underwater 1, the Aquos or
Aquos is, is definitely the most challenging for a number of
reasons like we've talked about. So yeah, Jiggy, what were we
going to say? I I was just going to say
piggybacking off the game also punishes you for being a bad
pilot. So if you were playing like
Venom in particular, like the one side of Venom that you go
in, it'll have things like columns that shoot out of the
wall and you have to maneuver around them.
You have to know where they are, and it'll constantly try to chip
your wings. And if you lose a wing, you also
lose your shot. She's like so not only if you
lose, you lose your shot, but if you suck as a pilot, you can
lose your shot even if you survive.
And you're penalized because the the item that gives you your
wings back would have been a laser.
It's it's the laser upgrade. But if you don't have wings,
they it's the wing upgrade. So you're screwed even more.
Even further, when your wing is gone, your your ship starts like
leaning toward one way, which makes sense, but it's still like
you gotta account for it, so you're slightly holding the left
or right to try to compensate for it.
Yeah, I had. I don't know if it's this
particular run that I'm playing while we're talking here or
another one. I think it was even yesterday or
something like that I did the the sort of the the hard route
if you want to call it that. I I did pretty well through it
and you know no, no big deal. Maybe died once in the
underwater cause. Of course it did.
But but at the end. You're gonna drown at least
once. Yeah, at least gonna have.
Yeah, the the Andros in that is where he's the brain with the
two eyeballs and the the electrical.
You know stuff seems simple but you always get hit by the
electrical. I I had a hard time with it,
like just, or at least getting back into how I needed to do it.
And both my wings were clipped. I had no health left, and I shot
the part of the brain that you need to take him out right as I
was about to run into him and I was like, Oh no, 'cause Fox does
the yell. He goes at the end as if you're
dying. But he does that.
I I think he does that anyways because everything explodes,
never give up and it never gives.
You. Oh my God.
I'm so strong my. Daddy, you you had that happen.
Acid blew up. Yeah, and I and I beat it and it
it it worked like I I hit him right at the like he needed
nothing left and so did I I had no wings.
The fires coming out of the side of the R wing and everything,
and I'm like, oh man, I got to do this again, Papa.
I can't catch you. My wings are broken, Papa.
Yeah. Oh, so, so then it what?
Do you think you feel so stupid, like you're flying and you're
like trying to like you want to show your father that you've
you've, you know, your experience, You're a much better
pilot than he last saw you and your ship's all damaged.
You're just like. So that's.
So what happens is you go into that segment where it's
basically, you know, getting out of the Death Star, essentially
escaping the Death *, essentially, and your ship is
back to normal. You have both wings.
It resets your ship. OK yeah.
So I was like, thank God, 'cause that part, you have to kind of
keep up your speed a little bit. You have to follow him.
Which way he's going your which way your dad's going and
everything. And I was like, there's oh man,
I beat that. But there's no way I'm gonna be
able to do this, 'cause I knew it was coming.
And then there's my ship with both wings.
I was like, all right, thanks. James was nice enough to bring
you an extra pair. Everyone's packing everything
extra for me. I can't do it myself, clearly.
Well, that's the easy mode. That's the easy mode.
Yeah. So, so where did James go at the
end? I think it was all just in his
mind. Really.
I think Fox is just crazy. Yeah.
So it's a brain Real. It's a.
Lone bounty hunter flying out into space.
Yeah. Yeah, he's alive.
What if? What if he was the real villain
of Star Fox Adventures? That would have been great.
That would have been awesome. That would have been way cooler,
Yeah. That would have been way cooler,
yeah. I gotta play.
Yeah so, so as far as the like I I like doing the the the hard
the hard route up the side. The levels are are weird and
really difficult even though I hate him.
But I think when I finally settled when I was playing this
game a lot, my go to route was to go up sector Y and that but
then cut up to the dogfight planet with Bill.
Yeah and like the the like the Independence Day ship basically
scenario. I love that level.
I love the Solar and Macbeth. And then for Macbeth if you hit
all the switches you can get back onto the difficult path and
like get true ending, which you know, Venom, Venom, you know,
easy ways. Like, yeah, it's fun, but like I
wanted another Star Wolf fight. Like I wanted to go through what
is Area 31 or whatever. Area 6.
Yeah.
Yeah, best age in the entire game.
I love that level. Yeah.
Why? Like, so I get to go through
these. Like, I love the the three
middle, medium difficulty levels I think are all really cool.
Yeah, especially the train fight.
The train fight is dope. Man, I so.
I love that the first couple times I played, I just avoided
that stage, 'cause like, I just, I don't, you know, feel like
doing this sort of the ground levels all that much or
whatever. And then I did it a couple days
ago and I was like, oh man, this.
I should have played this level before.
This is a good stage. It's not like the greatest thing
ever, but like it works better than the other ground stage I
think. And and it's, yeah.
Which way better? Yeah.
Yeah, which also sucks to get the metal at that.
Titania is awful for the metal. A lot of them are pretty tough.
I got a couple by accident. I wasn't trying to.
I got a couple by accident sort of towards the the beginning
half. I can't remember which one,
which ones it was. It might have been the asteroid
and. Well, I can confirm that you got
coronaria and sector wide based on what happened.
In your. Oh, OK.
So there you go. That's one of them.
There you go. That's probably actually the run
that I'm thinking of. Then maybe it was this.
One, I loved it. Anybody else loves Sector X
'cause I loved like either route that you went, you, you'd fight
the giant robot, or you'd hit the gates and like, teleport.
And it was just so. It was so cool.
Yeah, that one. That one's a lot of fun.
I I like those stages. That one.
And oh man I I keep getting the the stages mixed up.
But those those ones where the level is you know the the pieces
are kind of flying by you and the level the stage is kind of
flying by. You know whether it's it's man,
whether it is is it. Oh no maybe it is Macbeth I'm
thinking of. I just, I like how those stages
can shift around you and everything and and even if you
play that stage back-to-back in your runs, it's probably going
to feel a little bit different 'cause you might turn a little
bit more left or go down or whatever, even though the
enemies are coming the same way. Like there's this is essentially
a rail shooter, but stuff changes like it's not exactly
the same. They find they find a way to
make it interesting each time, no matter what stage you do, and
I think that's part of the brilliance of what this game
offers. Yeah, a lot.
A lot of the old schmups are very pallet swoppy, so.
It also has a a bunch of secrets.
In pretty much every stage, like at least the first couple of
stages, there is a way to take an alternate route in in media
the the meteor stage, there are these blue rings.
If you hit all of them, you go into hyperspace and you get shot
to Cortana. Right, right.
Forgot about that, Yeah. I think stuff like that and I
think I missed those to to speak to Star Wolf because you can
have I believe 3 battles with Star Wolf and the first one is
on Vechina if I'm reading it right.
And then if you do that you can actually you can either go to
Venom on the hard route or you can go to bowls, Bowls say.
I don't know how to pronounce it like satellite thing.
And then they'll reappear, and when they reappear, they're all
like bandaged up. And I just love that little
detail like it's. Awesome.
So and and balls. If balls.
Balls. I like it.
Balls. No, we're going.
We're going with it. We're going to go with it.
So that if there's any survivors from Fushina, they'll appear
there. If you kill all of them and you
go the hard route through Venom, all of them show up.
Whether you kill them or not, they all show up.
And like you said, they're all bandaged up with like medical
gel and shit and you fancy ships.
Yeah, the ship thing is cool, too.
How do you like our new ships? Like, I love that It's.
Like you can barrel roll now What the hell?
Yeah. I tell you though man, like when
you're doing those all range mode stages, especially like
against you know, against them if you have your blue laser, if
you have your full-fledged, you can crush those guys.
If you're behind them in the at the right time, like they just
disappear. That's the thing about Starfox
64. You can get stupid good if you
know how to play and you know you know, OK, so if you can get
Max laser, you keep a couple bombs on spare you can beat
things stupid fast, which is awesome, like that sector Wi-Fi.
I mean if you if you can map out where they're going to be and
just kind of like loop back. You can take them out.
Super, super fast. Yeah, you you can.
But man, like, the stage is awesome.
The stage from start to the boss fight it, it's awesome because
you're just going through a space battle the entire way and
then you get to the boss and it's three of the regular
enemies you've been fighting the entire time, but they move
faster. Like couldn't you think of
something else? That's true.
It's not not the most creative
when so much of the so much of the of the game is.
Otherwise, you're kind of like, wait, why wait?
Yeah. Like in So Honest you fight a a
a trash collecting pirate that shoots barrels and cannonballs
at you. So good.
Awesome. So good.
Yeah. Like who?
Who are these guys? Why are they like, why are they
joining the the fight here? Like what?
What does this guy have to have to gain from this?
Like what? I mean, he wants to salvage
that. Sweet, sweet diffuser.
I guess he's like he's like a character from followed or
something like that, just looking for all the tech.
Just got to grab it all so that you got everything you possibly
can. Yeah, OK.
I can see it. Yeah, I can see it.
I. Mean we showed up on his planet.
Like, come on. Oh, that's true.
For real. Yeah.
We we are the problem. Yeah.
Hey, Luigi, I I I know you're looking at at this footage.
Why don't you like this stage? This is.
Oh, I just, I love the stage that just the the Searchlight to
piss me off because I just would always miss one.
And you're in the middle of your run and it's not like the switch
now or you just rewind it real quick to get it, you know.
And you're like, all right, well, I guess hopefully next
time I'll get it. I guess I'm doing the hard route
again 'cause I got to, I want, I want to get it today or
something. So it's just you always you miss
you always miss one. It's like, ah damn it, I know.
Yeah, well that's what they want, right.
They want it to be like you got, you got to just like there's
always a couple that are a little too little extra out of
reach. Same thing with the with the
train level with the switches. You know, it's it's kind of the
same thing. There's there's one or it's like
two or three maybe that are during the boss fight.
That's tricky. Like what?
Yeah, like you're you're messing with him at that point.
Yeah, yeah. You're not, you're not worrying
about the about the fight itself, right?
It's it's the last three and the first one Falco gets for you,
but the other two and the Switcher you have to hit on your
own. Yeah, the Switcher you have to
do yourself, Yeah, yeah. Behind like doors and stuff you
have to blow out of the way or or.
But once you get it. Open or stun.
I can't stop here. You'll never defeat Andros.
Breaks, yeah. Also be one.
Point that you could probably the biggest rumble in history.
It is, OK. I was just gonna say that it is.
It's the largest explosion in the entire game.
The most points you can get and like for any one like shot
basically. Is that what it is?
It's, it's. It's like 51.
Yeah, it's. 50, yeah, 51, yeah, yeah, that's, you know, the the
first time that I, I saw that my cousin heck him over, he's like,
I'm going to show you like a very big explosion.
Nice this game. I know all of the explosions and
he shows me like the switches and he's like hold the
controller. I'm holding it and it hits the
the depot and explodes and I'm like.
What? It was mind blowing as you had
been playing that game for years.
Did you go? Almost.
I can't remember who does that
anymore. The other thing about about this
stage is you guys I jiggy, I think you mentioned Bill a
little while ago. Cat shows up in this.
What do you guys, what do you guys think just in general of
like the extra characters? Jiggy.
What do you think? Do you like?
Is it is it cool to have them showing up and stuff, or is it
kind of like, yeah, OK, whatever, there's kind.
Of there I think it's it's it's always cool to get allies, but I
don't like having to save them. At the same time, it's like it
depends what I'm doing. Like in this stage where it's
very linear, I do not welcome it because I'm like just let me do
my thing. I don't want to have to like pay
attention to you at all. I don't care about you at all,
but in stages like so if you help her on this stage or
whatever, if you beat the if you get the mission accomplished
right or whatever. I think if you get accomplished,
it shows up next. When you get to Sector Z, she'll
show up and actually help you hit the missiles, which is
welcome because it's actually helpful, you know?
So when they're helpful like that, it's awesome.
Like if you help Bill and all of them and Catina, then he shows
up later. I don't remember what stage off
the top of my head, maybe. Solar He's he shows up in Solar
and he just like helps you kill a couple of enemies so you can
get some help. Yeah, he's and then in sector X
he helps you to unlock the gates so that you can go into.
That's the. Whole thing, yeah.
Yeah, and Kat will show up in. Just shows up once, right?
Like or or she. Will show up in both of the
level, I think. I don't think she just shows up
in Z. She'll show up and and help you
if you go the other way too. I think it's Macbeth and she
just shows up near the beginning and takes down a couple of
enemies and then disappears. It's nothing the problem with.
Her The problem with her showing up in Z is that if you're
looking to get the medal for Z, she automatically takes down one
of the missiles. So that's you're basically
locked out of getting the medal when she does that?
OK. Oh, OK.
Oh no. Oh man, it's gotta.
Be quick. That sucks.
Gotta be quicker than her, but. That's it's hard, right?
Because you're paying attention to five other things, yeah.
Right, Like the enemies in that stage are very aggressive and
they will take down your team if you don't help them.
Yeah, and without her it's a pretty difficult stage.
I think. Like it's it's definitely for me
it was at least anyway from when I was replaying them, but I I
like, yeah. I like it when your friends show
up. Yeah, I think it's fun.
I like it when other animals show up and say dumb animal
noises and and like they they talk about their history or
whatever, like, you know, yeah, it's fun.
I I think. About their history.
They they create this little narrative and like, you start
wondering like like, oh, Bill and Fox were friends in
elementary school or something, You know, I'll go cat, what's
going on there? Because like when you're a kid
like you, you think about that crap because because you have
like you're playing this game all the time like OK well I
wonder what is is about these people.
And like I think it's so crazy that like Nintendo just they had
something like like this could have been huge.
Like they could have done story or something with this and or
had these characters that people just love and Revere and still
reference and like are in the pop culture and they just did
nothing with it. That's true.
They they sort of let. It then they they explore it in
the game that nobody played right and and command for DS you
have a bunch of different branching paths that you can
take and that's where they explain oh and Andros had a
nephew who hated him and not a nephew, a grandkid that hated
him and wanted to kill him. Fox and Crystals explained more
and Falco and Cat and Bill and Fox and all that stuff.
But. So we gotta get a re release of
that then that's what I gotta play Yeah 'cause I'm like.
Like, OK, here, here's the thing.
Let. Me.
It's Fire Emblem Starfox. It's awesome.
I said it again, though. Enough.
Yeah, like it's one of those games enough.
Gimmicks. I still prefer like in my mind.
I I love Starfox 64, and I got Starfox Command being like, Oh
yeah, it's good to be Starfox 64.
It's the new, it's the new Starfox 64.
It's on my DS. It's going to be amazing.
And then it was like, it was, it had those moments, it had that,
a little bit of it, but it was different.
It was fundamentally different. And it wasn't bad.
I think I'd appreciate it now more than I did back then
because back then I was like, I this isn't Starfox 64.
Yeah, you know. Well, that's what you want.
That's what I would have expected too if I if I had it at
the time, I think what I didn't realize until I was looking up
sort of how the the some of the stuff, but when the game was
made is that those extra characters, regardless of who
they are, like Bill and Kat specifically, they added those
super late in the development. So maybe they just didn't have
the time to do it sort of thing. Like maybe that was part of the
problem is they just weren't given the opportunity to do much
with it. It's not a super long game, so
there's only so much you're going to get done.
But, and maybe that's just an excuse.
But I wouldn't be surprised if you know Miyamoto, who's like,
hey, we need extra characters. That would be fun.
Let's go more MPCS that they're just like, well, what do you?
We have more space on this thing, yeah, Yeah.
What can we cram in here? Somehow we have more space on
this thing. Let's find a way to add more
and. But Miyamoto son, we're trying
to figure out how to make the Rumble pack work.
Look at this train level we have.
It'll be epic. I mean, I don't know who was.
I mean, I assume Takeda's team or something, or I don't know
whose team was on that, but I could just only imagine them
like maniacally walking in with the like, yes, here, use it for
this. This'll be great.
It's like standing back there. It is Imamura, Imamura and
Marita. Is that how you say his last
name? What?
Which R&D number? I don't know cause Kazuki Marita
and Takaya Imamura began working on the game in 1995.
S actually, when you really think about it, they were not
really given that much time to make this game.
I don't think it's two years, it's two years.
Apparently the whole like add the add the extra characters
thing happened in 1997 when the game was released.
Like that's how short of a timeline they had.
So that would fundamentally change at least a couple of
these stages and that's wild and they they figured it out man
they've they figured it out. So the other thing I want to I
want to talk about is sort of how the game looks too because
we've talked about Jiggy you mentioned and Chris you guys
were mentioning sort of how the the character faces and stuff
like that. Yeah.
So they. Yeah, They specifically, I think
it was Miyamoto that had it. Yeah.
I have the note that, yeah, Miyamoto suggested that they
want things to look more animated and less real.
So they specifically made them look like puppets because that's
what he wanted. And I I don't know, I think it
works. It doesn't need to be a perfect
thing, but. But I think, I think that was
pretty a pretty good choice in my, my opinion.
I don't know if you guys. Care.
I I like them. Like, I don't know.
I I like the the design in this one.
Yeah, the cutesy cartoony stuff is is cool too.
But it's a. Little bit in between.
It's not, you know, it's it's not really cartoonish or
anything. It sort of has like a sort of
balance there, yeah. I think it's a good looking game
too. Mm hmm.
Yeah, it is. It is looks good.
The the puppet look really works for it, especially when you see
them looking around and just like a puppet with no emotion or
anything in their eyes. That's true, yeah.
I mean it. It conveys it well.
I I also find it pretty funny. I just had it.
It just came up on the on the video I'm playing too.
Let me see if I can find the Fox's response when they start
some of the stages. I found really funny 'cause his
response is so short to like reacting to the scenario like I
don't know if I don't know if this is one of them.
The enemy army is gunning for you.
Be careful. Don't.
Worry Sir, I forgot about these. That's it.
Don't worry, Sir. Yep.
That's it. Not like what's happening.
What should I be prepared for? Or you know, what area we got?
Don't worry, all right? I mean, I you got it, I guess.
You know, it really speaks to how terrible of a character
Slippy is when he gets knocked to Titania.
General Pepper's like, just leave him, let him die.
Yeah. I can't afford to go after him,
Stop, Hawks. Fox like I can't leave sleepy
hanging. I can't leave him hanging.
Yeah. Oh my God, that's so.
Funny favor to his father. I think yeah Jiggy, you're
right. I think this game, I think it
looks pretty good. It's a fast moving game,
especially on these sort of on the open stages, the full range
modes as you will and it's you know not overly populated in
some of these spots. But there's a lot going on.
There's a lot moving and they they there's no, I don't know, I
I didn't experience any kind of sluggish play or slow down or
any of that kind of stuff. I know it's every once in a
while that happens in some 64 games, but like, it's just
always been like a flawless experience every time I've
played this. Only slow down is when you use
the brakes. Yeah.
Yeah, that's right that, yeah that that tanks the the frames
per second. Everything just also cool sound
effect too. Like that's a cool, like, yeah.
And then the sound and the music in this game are awesome, you
know, including the voices of the characters.
I think, you know, I think the thing growing up was like, oh,
Slippy is so annoying. He's always whining, he always
needs help, but everybody does. He just has a high pitched
voice. That's the difference, like.
Oh, Falcon won't stop whining. You know, he's he's so annoying.
Yeah. He's I I don't think there's any
difference there. I to me, to me, they're all the
same. But I don't know if you guys
feel differently. You know, pilot Place, Yeah, I I
was really upset when I found out the first time that they
give you money when you finish it.
Oh my God, yeah. General Pepper signs a check and
you never actually get that money and you never can do
anything with it. It would have been so cool if
they would have let me buy the wolf and and just fly the wolf
and throughout the game that ships the sign is so sick.
Yes, they are cool. Yes, those are really cool
designs. You're right.
That's true. I I completely forgot about
that. I completely forgot about the
fact that you they stamp your your bill like a or your invoice
or whatever. Like that's that's what it is,
right? Is it?
Like, yeah, it's an invoice. Yeah, I couldn't tell.
I could never tell if it was like us getting paid or them
like looking at how much damage we did or giving us a bill or I
yeah, I I just never knew. I'm pretty sure it's us getting
paid because it says like services rendered or something
like that, I'm pretty sure. Oh, I can.
I can find it. I gotta find it then.
This is well, I guess this is worth the price of freedom.
Yeah. So it could go either way when
it. Yeah, it could go either way
when he says that right. It could be this is the price
because of what you did, or this is the price because of what?
Cost, I guess. Here's your check I guess.
Sir Well, I. Don't know if he asked Fox.
That was just me ad living so. Him telling Fox just know that
this is the money we were going to use to rebuild Coronaria
after you destroyed it. I don't live there, so that's
cool. Sorry buddy, sounds like a you
problem. I don't know.
We want me to do about that, right?
I live in a. Giant Am I going to get
reelected now? Your father would have never
charged this much. And that's why he's dead.
He. Couldn't pay.
His I'll never make the same mistake as him.
My father doesn't know what's going on.
He doesn't get it. Come on, you old fart.
My father wore the same pair of glasses for 20 years.
His vision was awful. I don't know how you let him fly
a ship. Look where that got him.
I think. I think the more I think about
all the other characters the more I realized that actually
maybe maybe great Fox is probably the most useful because
of all the because they always, you know, it's it's always
tossing you the the little boxes and at least in a stage like
this like where you're trying to take out the missiles at least
it. Gives you a hint.
As to what's going on, you know, like it's getting closer or
there's one on the you know, whatever, whatever the the
descriptions that he gives you, no one else does that.
No one else is. Doing that.
Have you guys ever failed this stage?
Yeah, I didn't this time, but probably back in the day
probably. Yeah, and it breaks the wing.
Yeah, that's so cool. And then it keeps it through for
the rest of the game. So even in the end credits when
you see the start, the the great fox taking off like the whole
wing is missing. Oh, really?
Oh, OK. So it doesn't take the whole
yeah, it. Just kind of.
Hits the side. Oh, OK, that's cool.
Is. It like it hits it and you see
kind of like like a mesh and the wing is missing and I think when
it hits it, it has electricity. After that it's gone, but it
still has the the mesh and damage and stuff.
Interesting. OK, nice.
The cool thing in Area 6 to piggyback off the Gray fox
stuff. It actually will attack the
enemies. It'll be like we'll we'll lay
down support and it'll like, shoot a bunch of yellow lasers
that are like super effective. It's it's awesome.
It feels bad ass. Right.
Rob just rolls in as like, I'm hard as fuck, I'm going to shoot
them. Stand back, children.
I've got this. And the the cool part is that
when he takes down those ships, it still gives you full points
for taking them down. Oh, does it Nice.
Nice. Yeah, see?
That's what I'm. Standing close to.
Like, you know, screw coronary like I have.
We have this giant mother ship to live on.
Like, I don't, I don't need to fix coronaria.
That's AU problem. Pepper.
It it doesn't, it doesn't seem like.
I mean, they're definitely not interested in in sticking
around, for sure. But also like, yeah, it's almost
like, look, look what we got here.
What else? Like, really willing.
To go hang out with some dinosaurs now.
I don't know if you know this, but I got pals with dinosaurs,
so it's happening. Although he hires us for that
too, doesn't he? Yeah, he does.
That's. It OK man.
I'm so not not knowledgeable about what happens after this
game. Like my experience?
Is Starfox. Don't worry about it.
It's not Canon. Well Canon or not, whatever the
story is, I just, I I think I played this game so much and and
had an SNES as well, that it was just those two games.
And I don't know. For me, like this is all I need.
I just need this game like we're we're talking about it and we've
talked about almost every aspect of the game and I've played it
10 times in the last couple weeks.
I just want to play it again like I just.
Yeah, it's fun. It's just so fun, even though I
may have played all of these stages at least a couple times
in the last couple weeks, like I don't know why I'd want to do
something else. I mean, it's just great design
to like, have the branching paths and like to have all these
different kinds of, like, you know, whether, you know, it's a
cool way to do difficulty, but it's just, it's just a cool way
to to have a game. Because this, you're right.
This is just like a run game. Like, I'll, I'll, you, you
finish. All right, let's do another one.
You know, like, let's keep playing.
Whether I actually want to get a medal or not, Like, I just want
to get better at the game. I just want to keep playing, do
another run. Yeah, it it's a rail shooter and
somehow it's super interesting and super fun and has a lot of
different things to to dig into. Which is what makes Starfox
Assault so insulting, as it's just like this, just like 10
levels in a row of like, you can't.
There's nothing you can do about it.
You just got to keep going. Like there's there's no choice.
There's no fun. Boring.
I did. I did a couple.
Times multiplayer that I love the multiplayer in that.
Yeah, that that was good multiplayer.
The multiplayer's great. What about the multiplayer in
this? Did you guys do that growing up?
I did. I did it.
Yes, did it. Sometimes not.
Not that often, but played it all solo this time.
Yeah. No.
Yes. No.
Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna it's it's
not. If you had any other stages
there's like is there 2? There's two is Granaria and
Sector Z. Yeah, one's all R wings.
The other one you can actually be in the tank too, but it's or
on foot. And on foot.
Mm hmm. Yeah, if you get there.
Yeah, they're so like just Foggy and you can't see much and it's
way too big for the amount of players you typically have.
Yeah. It could have been more I think.
I think Co-op would have been way cooler.
That's see that's what I'm I'm thinking is like you're already
a squad like why not squad up Because yeah the the dog fights
with your friends always end up with just like you.
You both doing these like big wide turns trying to turn out
turn your friends. And like it was always one of
those things where like we'd maybe play a round or two in
case we like we forgot like oh maybe we should try again.
Or like at the beginning of the birthday you have the sleepover
or whatever like play around to Star Fox Oh yeah, this sucks.
Put something else in. Yeah, my brother and I played
like recently. I went back home and we played
multiplayer just because we're we were bored and we're like,
let's do it. And we did.
And the match lasted a ridiculous amount of time
because we we just would come at it and I'd get a couple shots,
you get like one shot and then we'd pass and then we'd do this
and then we'd do this and then we come back and it was just, it
was it just took forever. I'm happy to see it in I-1
though. It's an good job.
It's an unintentional air show, is what it is like that's.
Because that's what it is. There's no pacing like there's
no tension or drama to the to the multiplayer because exactly
what you're saying, even if you have four people, eventually you
will be down to two people and it will always be like.
That it. Will be exactly as you described
every match and so like you know, I don't know.
They kind of fixed it on the on the 3DS.
They since they added auto lock on on 3DS, it made it so that
somebody's always going to win, it's not going to stay in.
Right. Well, at least they did
something. I mean there's.
At least. They did something question that
came up on on a different podcast that I think Luigi and I
were both on the What Was Cool podcast last year, I believe it
was in the fall or in the summer of 2023.
We were. We were both on that separately,
but we were both on on the actual.
Final we were we were the guests.
We were the guests on that. The call we both called in
separately. Yes, the question that those
guys have so they're gonna steal their idea is when you're doing
a barrel roll or when you're turning, are you using the Z or
are you using the right bumper? What's the habit, Chris?
What's what do you Z? OK.
Z Yeah, hang on. Yeah.
Hang on. Pick up the controller, yeah.
I I I feel like I I tend to lean toward RA little bit more,
actually. See now, now they were saying
that the Z button automatically spins if you press it once and
the R button you get to press twice.
And I don't think that's right. But I always went with with R
and and I use both Z&R because it, you know, you tilt it to to
do sharp turns, and sometimes you need to do a sharp like like
when you're like in solar, there are times where you want to be
in the top corner of the thing, 'cause there's there's a huge
deadly wave coming at you. So yeah, like I I definitely.
I think I tap R / Z usually, but I use them both to steer.
Yeah, I use. So I use both to steer, but I
definitely am am tapping that sort of you know trigger if you
want to call it that because I I just think that ZED, ZED is
exactly what it is. That's right.
It's a Zed.
I'm pressing. I'm pressing that because all of
my movement just instinctually is is just coming from my left
hand. I guess when I'm when I'm doing
that, I I don't know. I don't know if that's that's
sort of why why it happens. But, but definitely with the
turning and everything. Wow, I'm getting my ass kicked
in this boss right now. I'm terrible.
Do you think that the trigger would be the shoot button so?
Well, maybe that's part of what it is.
Maybe that's part of what it is. You think, but it's not.
I wonder why? I wonder I just didn't want the
layout. I don't know.
I am, I'm sure.
Where else are you going to put the?
Where else are you going to put that leaning that way?
To the? Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess if
that's a a crucial part that they wanted to make sure they
had, then, yeah, you kind of have to do it that way.
That's true. Yeah because the the, the break
and turn with either the R or Z is is incredibly useful when
you're fighting Star Wolf the second time because if you do a
a a loop, I don't I don't remember what Pepe calls it
Wolf, it's a somersault. Thank you.
When you do when you do a somersault in that in that final
fight with Star Wolf, Wolf will just veer either left or right
and then do a somersault right behind you.
So and and you basically are forced to like break and turn as
quick as possible so that you can get him.
I love the character building with that because the first time
when you fight him, when you do it, he goes, what the heck?
Yeah. The second time, he's doing it
too right? Yeah.
He says that's so. Crazy.
He's like, what the heck? That he's trying to to goad you
on by telling you that you're good, but he's better.
But yeah. You must have pigma being.
You must have pigma there being like.
So. Yeah, I think they have their
equivalent, so those. Guys.
Oh, that is upsetting. Yeah, I wonder if there is, is
there an equivalent of those guys and they just all, you
know, they all have their own peppy and Slippy and Falco must
be right? Oh yeah, they are.
Rooster Chase. That guy, man, I mean.
If you I. Don't want to think about that.
Even even their their their tech guy is like a little is it?
It's he's a lizard, right? I can't remember his.
Name. I think Leon.
'S there. They're the fighter.
I am the. Is it because don't they pair
off? It's like Andrew is with Falco.
Andrew's the Slippy. Andrew's oh, Andrew's the.
Slippy because because they're the they have a they're like the
the Nepo higher there, there. Isn't Doesn't Andrew turn into a
politician in assault? What?
He turns into a a dead robot. Yeah, but before that, isn't he
like a a a politician? So you could make the connection
that the slimy politician is following around the slimy
amphibian or to a feather. So it makes.
Sense, right? I like it.
Yeah.
Those guys are blast the one, the one guys.
Everyone's got a funky name except for Andrew.
Seems to be the only guy, yeah. That's true.
I know, Andrew. I always laugh at that.
Like, I don't know. I don't get it.
Like, why is he the only one? Just like.
I don't know. I I love him so much.
He sucks so much. He does such like the whiniest
like my dad's gonna like gonna tell you what the that's.
Exactly what he sounds like too. Like he is just Oh no.
Uncle and Ross. Someone gave me a ginger ale.
Oh man. You are having a rough time,
I'm. Having a rough time with this
this invisible A. Little bit of anxiety watching
you play. This is one of those bosses that
I have faced so. Many times.
I don't know if it is. Actually, I don't.
I don't know. I don't know if I need my wings
to be successful. Oh, you're out.
No way. No way.
Look at that. No health.
No health whatsoever. This is what happened.
I think probably at the end too. Like I.
That's the other thing is like you, you we've played all three
of us have, or three of us, all four of us have played this game
so much. You know what you need to do in
all these bosses, all these fights.
You know what you need to do. And yet, somehow I've played
this stage 40 times. Now now you do.
That all in one single laser. How did?
Single laser there's. No way you got that in that one.
Cycle. Yeah, Lord well.
Done. See.
That's crazy. There's no way.
Well done. Look at that.
No way. What you didn't see was he cross
faded that footage him doing the exact same thing later.
So there was like a slight little edit there.
Yeah, that's the health part does.
Look a little. Clever editing, Dave.
My skills are insane. If we check the audio file,
we'll see the evidence. Yeah, that's.
Right, Yeah. Carfox on that.
I think, yeah, I think overall, obviously we we love this game.
I mean this game is just is just incredible, right?
If there was anything like if they if they remade this, like
is this a game that they should remake or should we just kind of
leave it alone? Is it that kind of game I?
Don't. They've done it already.
I mean, yeah, I guess. Zero is a remake.
So is the 3DS. One, I guess the 3DS one kind of
is yes, right. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. But that one's like a straight
remake remake. And that one came out in that
time where Nintendo wanted to remake their 64 games for the
3DS and they wanted to keep them as faithful as possible by
keeping the glitches and everything in them.
So that is just straight up Starfox 64 with a new coat of
paint and better multiplayer. Right.
And the multiplayer, like you mentioned, Yeah, yeah, I think,
you know, I think it'd be cool to see it with like, you know,
flashier visuals. Is it necessary?
No, I think that's. I think that's really what it
comes down to because now so many games are remade regardless
of which ones they are, or they call them remasters, remakes,
whatever you want to call them. And they just feel like, well,
all you did was the visuals. And it would need to be more
than that. Maybe there would be the story
stuff like you guys were talking about, or maybe there'd be an
extra stage or something that was cut at some point.
I don't know. But I just think this is just
one of those games that doesn't really need it.
It doesn't. I don't think.
I don't think it needs a remake. I think we need to.
I think we need a new entry in the Starfox series.
Yeah, but I think we need Donkey Kong before this.
So. That's my $0.02.
Maybe. Look, I'm gonna leave those two
cents on the ground. Yeah, I I mean, I I like, I love
me some Donkey Kong. But unless it's.
I just it needs to be another. I I don't know.
I just love. I mean, I don't.
They will both. Both of them will be made by
someone else. So if a Star Box game gets made,
someone else, Nintendo will not be making it.
They will be involved, but won't be making it.
Donkey Kong gets made. They will be involved, but they
won't be making it. So we could get them both at the
same time if they did something. I mean, the problem is that I
don't think Nintendo has the balls to do another Donkey Kong
64 type game. That's true.
I mean, they did, they made,
they made Mario Odyssey and it's, it's amazing.
It is fantastic. I just say like, damn good game.
It's just moons everywhere. Moons everywhere.
Do you love Mario Odyssey? Great game.
Yeah. Am I the only one that thinks
that game is just kind of OK? I don't know, Maybe that's just.
Me. Yes.
Yeah. It it has, it has moments, 1%.
Yeah, I'm just not doing 1%. Whole lot.
It has those moments where you're just like, I'm just like
finding moons everywhere. And then it has moments where
like, you've just taken you just, just.
I have my jaws on the floor. Like, I can't believe what I
just did. I can't believe what just
happened. Like I it it's unbelievable.
Yeah, there's. Jump pump superstar.
Incredible. Incredible scene.
Yeah, yeah, That's. Weird cried.
Starfucks 64, everybody. If you haven't played it,
please, please play it. Please.
If you've gotten this far, and you and you, you know nothing
about this game. Just just fucking play the game.
It's it's, especially if you have it on.
If you have Switch online, you have the expansion like pass or
pack. It's just pick it up and give
yourself 45 minutes, an hour at the most and you'll get through
a run. Don't have to do it perfect, you
don't have to do the hard run or get all the secrets or whatever.
Play the whatever you're able to do through it and just just
enjoy yourself. This game is is awesome.
'Cause this is a run based game, like, you know, yeah, boot it
up, it's 45. 45 minutes. Yeah, keeps your high score.
Clock myself out. Yeah, keeps your high score.
You can go and like, you know, go back and see if you can
improve the next time and all of that stuff.
Someone else can play it. You guys can share your score
like it's all it has this like arcadey feel without it being at
the arcade. And I think that that's a good
sort of, yeah, balance that it strikes too.
It's it's amazing how much stuff is hidden in here for you to
just find. In a lot of ways I think that
way about this generation is you know there's just stuff could be
anywhere. Like anything could trigger a
secret. Like these worlds are big.
They're they're three DI. You got to look everywhere and
find all the stuff. And so like, you never know like
what's real and what's not. Right.
Right, I I have a a tradition every New Year's.
As soon as it hits 12, I pick up the 3DS and I run through
Starfox 64. I have to, and that usually
opens up a can of worms, because then I'm stuck the next two or
three weeks just replaying Starfox over and over.
Again. And I started a counter last
year. I beat the game 38 times last
year. This year I'm at 1516 because as
you can see like T VS right there and I work from home a lot
so all I have to do is just turn the chair around and if I'm on
the DS and working on the on the kitchen table or something I I.
It's. It's too easy to to stop working
and just do something better and play Starfox.
Oh yeah, it's this is this is that game, this is that game for
sure. Jiggy.
Any final thoughts? Go play it.
It's a great game.
It's a it's an excellent game, just a great single player
experience that is very hard to match on on this console I would
say. And I'm really happy we got a
chance to Hey, someone stole my my star thing to what the heal
me. What?
What was that? I was.
Oh, I was so ready for you to get that.
What is that? Hold on, I'm going back.
You can't fail more than once. Sending OK location.
Confirm sending supplies. There's the Where's the?
Where's the. That was not fair.
Someone stole it. Pretty.
Much oh, swear. It is.
I missed it. Shoot it.
I'm about to die.
And then I I do the loop and
it's gone. Oh, that is not fair.
No, not fair. It's awesome.
Oh. Man really could have used that.
I think I could have used it because I'm thinking, you know
what, Twice. Because I'm terrible.
I do. I do have a final thought.
You should play it with this
with an actual N64 controller. It really works really well with
an actual proper N64 controller, whether that be the Nintendo
wireless one for Switch Online. But I did play it a little bit
with the Pro Controller and it just it feels icky.
It's. It's.
It's not there. It's not right there.
You know what I had a hard time brakes and stuff.
Yeah, when I when I played similarly because I mean it's
it's not a pro controller. But when I played it on Switch
online I ended up just doing a handheld cuz I was like OK I'm
not gonna go find the doc and whatever most of my Switch game
in his hand held regardless. But I have a hard time wrapping
my head around the fact that the I don't know if it's.
Is it the R or is it the Z or Z? Is is the the sort of?
L2. L2 and then the other one and
then the R is is R1. Yeah and I go backwards, Yeah it
doesn't mean. Why can't they both?
Why can't they both be the same thing?
I don't understand that. So I was trying to do like the
hovering for example, with the land on the land levels and I'm
like just tilting and that's it. And I'm just like, what the
fuck? Like where?
Where's the button? Like where is.
There's only two buttons here, but somehow I can't find the one
that I need and I don't know why.
'Cause the ones on the back and the ones on the top and the side
like the bumper, like there's only three on the 64 and so
they're. Yeah, yeah, so like like Jiggy
said, regardless of how you play it, I think if you have a chance
to use an N64 control scheme and controller, it's it's the way to
go for sure. For sure it makes sense.
It makes really bizarre like the joy con.
It's like the left like rather than being like left and down.
It's like the C buttons. It's like left is I'm trying to
map this out. It's like left is B or something
and then up is technically the left C stick or it's like
really? Well, the C buttons are just the
the joystick. The C buttons are just the
joystick, yeah. Before emulation is a nightmare
because of this. Yeah, so if you hold the R1 and
you can use the face buttons as the CC button.
Oh, that's what it is. You have to.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah. That's.
It feels gross because when you're using, if you're not
using that then you have like the boot boost is on top on the
top button and the break is on the IT.
It's super. It feels super wrong because
when you're holding it in the 64 controller, you know the button
C button is break and then you know the left one is boost.
It's. It's totally fine I.
Pulled up an image here. I pulled up an image with the
joy, cons and B here so BA are normal right?
And then this is this is left. So this would be your your.
The X is left. Yeah, or And then this is down.
So this would be your break. Yeah.
So the the X button at the top would be your break.
That's what it says. That's dumb, no?
I just I just use the I just use the the other joystick and
that's it and just didn't mess around with other stuff.
I just keep it simple. I know that for the most part I
I need the brake more than any of the other ones.
I'll just hit down if I at least for me anyway.
That's that's one of the the ways that I did the all range
mode levels is if you want to do that loop, I would hit the brake
to make a tighter turn as opposed to hitting boost and
going faster and further. That's the way I I usually did
it. That's my my habit at least.
Whether it's the right way to do it or not or most effective, I
have no idea. But Oh no use the bomb.
Use the bomb. He's going to eat me.
There, Andrus is a scary boss. Well, yeah, look at.
Those eyes. He is kind of scary, yeah.
And then when? He It's the jowls.
Yeah, Yeah, There's just something wrong about it.
Look at me going with no wings again.
I'm resilient. I'm probably going to die.
OK. So guys, thanks so much for for
being a part of level 50 episode 50.
The 50th. Well, I guess technically yeah
50th 49th game that I've I've covered on the show.
Remember 64 will will be keep going right.
I don't know what the next like huge title's gonna be, but.
Banjo Kazooie. Banjo, don't make any promises.
I'm not you just. It's gonna happen.
Sounded like you needed a suggestion.
I just. I just don't have the time right
now. I want to.
I want to.
I want to and if anyone's gonna. Be gonna play that game.
You haven't played that game. No.
What? That was definitely something
you're gonna have to be. On the show for now.
At that point, I was like, yeah, I don't think I was.
Into. It I wasn't playing a lot of,
like 3D platformers. I had beaten Mario 64.
I I got all under 20 stars. I threw it in the closet.
I never wanted to see it again. Like it just pissed me off
getting all 120 stars that I just didn't play any 3D
platformers for a while. And then the first one I picked
up was Donkey Kong 64. And no should I should have
picked a Banjo Kazooie instead. So for you and your specific
podcast, yes, Banjo Kazooie is the one you should pick up.
Although donk going 64. Actually, speed running is
pretty dope. Donk going 64 speed running is
ridiculous. It is a lot of fun, so much you
have to do. Well, you can just do stupid
things like like lanky can bypass every level standard,
every boss fight. You can just clip through the
floor and get into. Lanky Lanky can stretch his
hands out of bounds behind a door and hit the door trigger
and go through the door. Watched a video of someone like
the angle like off a certain ledge on DK Isle and they just
fly up into the sky and they can just like get to the end of the
game. That game is busted.
It's hilarious. Go go watch some like speedruns,
or go watch some like explainer videos or something like that.
Also, DK 64 randomizers are a lot of fun to watch.
Oh, there's so many things to randomize.
I don't comprehend what's happening, but it's funny to
watch. I did a live stream and did a
randomizer and it was so you have to utilize Lanky's like
bypassing of level doors because you're just you go to warpad and
you show up in like creepy castle and you're like, I don't
have any moves to do anything, what am I supposed to do?
And then you rely on getting something from Cranky, and he
gives you like, ammo for your weapon you don't even have.
Oh, this is great. Like, Gee, thanks.
Randomizers often turn into like the Hall of Fame of speed
running tricks. For a game like, you'll see
things from Ocarina of Time that have been used since like 2007
get pulled out to be like, well, I gotta jump past this thing.
I guess I can use this one thing that we use for like a month
until we found a better way. So it's like seeing it's like
the like the hall, like seeing the like old tricks that are
dead now come back to life. That's fun.
That's that's cool. Like that's.
Yeah. And and those those types of
those those it's just it's all different anyways right.
Like you're not you're not. I mean I guess in some ways
you're you're gonna see the same thing twice but like you're yeah
I gotta I that be I should look I should look that up with with
this game with Starfox. Never mind, there's probably
lots lots of great stuff with that.
Oh, the the speedrunnings for the speedruns for Starfox.
They are insane. Yeah.
Mm hmm, they are. I I saw one from game's Done
quick yeah. Is that the the big thing Yeah.
And. The Yeah.
The the dude got like 500 and something kills on sectors on on
area 6 I was. What?
Insane insanity, it it was crazy.
What you end up doing is so anytime you kill multiple bad
guys, yeah, you get extra. You get like an extra point on
the end of that. Yeah.
And the way you do that is by like shooting your charge shot,
but then like trying to detonate it before it gets there so it
does more of an AOE instead of taking out like one or two guys.
Yeah, you have to shoot it without locking and then you
have to detonate it before. Oh yeah.
So it's a ton of. Crazy.
And then you just like in Sector Y or or, yeah, Area 6, you just
start cranking up the points. Damn.
Oh, yeah. OK, so I got to start doing
that. I got a couple actual medals.
So now I want you always. What?
I've always dreamed of getting all the medals, but I never did
it. I it's hard.
Area six was the particular level.
I could never get the medal. I think it was the last one I
needed. I just couldn't.
Get area 6. You have to focus on the
satellites. Longage, you take down all the
satellites and the the big ships, you're good.
It's it's 300 and it's doable. You can pretty you can pretty
much hit it in in the third act of the stage before the the
final boss fight. Damn.
Well, I stuck. Well, I mean, I I'm nodding.
But I haven't done that since I was 12, so don't worry about it,
man. Like, it's cool.
I just I always wanted. I never played, but I always
wanted to unlock the on foot in multiplayer like that was that
was like a. Shot the dream.
Of mine. I've just never done it.
I know it doesn't look very. It looks awful.
I've somehow shielded myself from seeing what it looked like
until like, the last month. Like my whole life, I've never
looked it up or anything. I've just, I've always kept it
as that, like childhood mystery that I was wondering.
And then I saw it and Slippy was like running around.
I'm like, wow, that looks awful. Yeah, it's funny.
It that's really like, that's the best, like unlocking that is
funny. Yeah, it's really there for the
shades. Yeah, it's it's a fantastic
game. Everyone should play it.
Oh, and I just pretty much took out Slippy there and.
As you do. As as as I do, even though I
find him to be, I find him to be the most, the most useful.
It's comforting to know that I'm making progress on a boss.
I think that's pretty much what it comes down to.
I need. I need a little bit of little
bit of pat on the backs, that kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah. There you go.
That's all it is. Slippy's the boss.
Slippy is the boss, so we have to save the boss.
Yeah, shoot. Him down.
First and foremost, Chris, thanks so much for for being on
the show, buddy. And oh man I've been listening
for a while and love your show told and I I messaged like hey
if ever please consider me and I'm I'm happy did because I
always love talking star Fox dude.
Awesome, man. Let's why don't you tell
everybody about a little bit about a novel console.
Yeah. So basically it's a show that I
do with my wife. We talk about books, games and
food and whatever catches our attention during the week.
She reads the books, I play the games, and then we try to make
fun of everything. It's.
It's mostly childish adult stuff, so please don't let your
little kids listen to it. Because it it it would be really
bad if little kids learn how to be people from us because we are
not meant to raise children. But yeah, no, we we cover
everything. Specifically, people love the
garbage because that's where we go to restaurants and talk about
the food, what's good, what's bad.
And yeah, it's pretty much a novel console.
Nice. Amazing man, Mr. Luigi's
apartment. What have you been up to lately?
How are you? How's everything?
How's how's, how's the how's? Hi.
Hi, how are you? Thanks for.
Coming back, man, we we just talked to Mario Tennis, so if
anyone hasn't listened to that. Mario Tennis was just a couple
of episodes ago, so that was a good time.
Also, play that game, especially if you have a few minutes to
kill. That is an excellent time.
So thanks for coming. Back Yeah, you can find me these
days over at Need for Speed running to show and make with a
couple of my friends from Games Done Quick and my buddy Brad.
We look at like kind of the watchability of different speed
runs on the main episodes. We do commentaries on speedruns
and and be like, you know how it would feel to someone who is
either just getting into speedrunning or knows a little
bit about the game or like what would this run be like, you
know, how legible is it really? Like can you tell what people
are doing? Is this too much information and
kind of dig into that, you know, from that angle and then
sometimes take apart 10 hour long Final Fantasy 10 runs.
So, yeah, come check out Need for Speed Running.
Speed runs are fun. Video games are cool.
I don't know. You're cool.
You're all very cool people. So.
Oh my. God, thank you.
Oh my God. Oh my God, I was talking to
listeners. But you're cool, Dave.
Oh, oh, I was just taking it for myself.
I just, I need, I, like I said, I need that support, man.
I need that support. You deserve it.
I need that love jiggy. What's up, man?
How's things going so far? What are you up?
To Things are going great, just the usual grind.
Got a cool DK64 video coming out going over.
I did a cool collab with a a fellow DK 64 Defender on YouTube
and we're doing some DK 64 mysteries.
Oh, mystery. Oh yeah.
Is it like clue? Is it a murder mystery?
Well. Did you find Dixie?
Did you find, Did you find Dixie?
Yes, please. We didn't find Dixie, but we
did. We did cover some things that
people probably have never thought about.
OK. And some things that people have
thought about and been very curious about.
But sometimes I'm like, am I the only person in the world that
has ever thought about this? And I'm happy to say that when I
put out these videos, people come out of the woodwork and
they're like, I've always wondered about that too.
I'm like. Great.
My people. Finally.
Amazing DK 64 man. Jiggy look back on on YouTube is
where you can find all that stuff.
And wait, yeah, thanks. Yeah, no worries man.
I got. You.
I got you. I got you.
Hey, I always forget about stuff too, like I did already with
this episode. To to plug to plug the show at
the beginning. Remember 64 show across the
board, on social media and on Patreon as well.
That's where you can support the show and help us do 50 or 150 or
250 or however many times you wanna hear me ramble on about
this game. We're starting to run out of
games at that point. Yeah, yeah, there's. 280
somewhere around there. Yeah.
Two. Yeah.
I guess around 280. I was gonna say 280 something.
Yeah. Isn't the library 388?
OK, maybe. OK.
I'm pretty sure it's 388. That's a very specific number,
but. I'm calling the 80.
I'm I'm calling the middle number as an 8.
As an 8. That's what I'm going for.
Yeah. And I think that includes.
Like. Japanese words too.
Yeah, 3D eight sounds, right? Yeah, I think I'll see if I
survive. That long I think Japanese
release products at 394, I'm pretty sure.
I'm never gonna make it. I'm gonna be in the ground by
then. There's no way.
And if we cover more mods? And if we cover more mods,
something we want to keep doing, Yeah, exactly.
That's right. Because so far, you know, we've
had Smash Remix as an episode, too.
Like that's. That's an important.
It's cool stuff. And yeah, it's.
You got to, you got to do Dragon Ball Kart.
Oh shit. Well, you know, one of the
things that that one of the games to play is obviously Doom
64 and Doom is like just the modded game.
I know not maybe not specifically Doom 64, but
there's mods in every aspect of Doom you can think of.
So that's one of the ones that like you just kind of have to do
like certain games. It's just you have to you have
to follow it up with some sort of you know the mod community,
just like the speed running community is is huge and
thriving and awesome and does cool things like that's it's
important to sort of to talk about that stuff too right.
So it's fun Let. Me let me say I have been doing
some community game nights and recently we did Super Mario 64
Co-op Deluxe. And.
That was amazing. And we did hide and seek and we
made our own rules. Like you go into a level and I
was getting it was getting so in depth because you can change
your character's color palette and so I would go stand and Bob
on battlefield like against the wall and change Mario to like
the orange palette of the wall. And just be like.
Flat against it. It was awesome.
So much fun. Yeah.
So like like stuff like that is great.
I mean you're not going to, we wouldn't have, we have would not
have been able to experience that back in the day.
Why not revisit these? You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's it's a really cool way to revisit the game,
not just play the game itself, but what what people have done
with them after that. So that's everything that we're
going to keep covering on. Remember 64 gentlemen, thank you
so much for joining me. Go play star Chris.
Go play Star Fox again for another 65 times if.
Oh dude, I I I did it right before we started and I'm pretty
sure that I'm going to go back to it once we get off this call.
Honestly, I think I'm. I think I am too.
I think I might. I think I might.
I'm going to shoot for a couple medals over the next couple of
weeks. I think that's, that's my goal.
It's too hard. Like you said, it's just too
easy and it's just too fun to not not go do it right.
So. All right, guys.
Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks for being on the show.
And just like your father. Thank you, everyone, for
listening. We'll see you next time.
I remember 64.