1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,480 Hello, everyone, Just giving you a bit of a heads up of something 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,400 new that I'm trying for. Remember 64 another way to hear 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,560 from you, the listener and viewer of the show. 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,320 Voice cast dot app slash Remember 64. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,520 Leave us a message. It's completely free. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,800 You can do it on your phone, you can do it on a browser, and you 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,160 can find the link on social media as well and at the 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,760 description of this episode on your podcast app of choice. 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,520 All right, on with the show, everyone. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,400 You don't understand, it's after. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Us. It's big, it's got huge teeth, a 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,080 big beak, bulgy eyes. Feathers, fur everywhere. 13 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:42,200 Yeah, and pigs can fly. No. 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Bears can fly bad guys. Beware, here comes Banjo Kazooie 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,800 where you're both bird and bear with amazing powers. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,280 There's never been anything like this. 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,160 Head banging, sky flying, rock hopping, egg shooting, tag 18 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:56,040 teaming duo Banjo Kazooie, only for Nintendo. 19 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:31,800 Music. Welcome to Remember 64, where 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,080 this week we are putting the puzzle together 1 collectathon 21 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,800 world at a time. Hi everyone, welcome to the 22 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,080 show. Hello again if you're a 23 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,800 returning listener and viewer, and welcome if this is your 24 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,080 first time to remember 64. Here on the show, we play and 25 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,240 discuss the good, the bad, the ugly, and everything in between 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,400 on the Nintendo 64's library. My name, of course, is David 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Betrangelo, and I'm just so happy we finally get to talk 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,320 about this game. I love it so much. 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Spoiler alert, no funny quip, no nothing. 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,000 We're talking Banjo Kazooie. It's time. 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,400 It's level episode 64. Let's do this, Jiggy. 32 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,520 Look back the individual who may or may not have some sort of 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,040 mild connection to this franchise. 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,200 How you doing? Yeah, just a little bit. 35 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,440 It only took us 64 episodes to get here. 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,960 We diverted and went into Game Boy territory before we talked 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,520 about Banjo, which I don't know how I feel about that, but at 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,960 least we're here now. So we're here. 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,240 I'm good with it. We made. 40 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,960 It thank you for made on this journey once again, Sir, thank 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,320 you. Level 64, we made it. 42 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:37,320 We made, oh, maybe that's what I should. 43 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,760 I wrote, I wrote something down before we started like, oh, 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,760 maybe that's, that's OK. But maybe just we made it is all 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,120 we need. We made it. 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,760 That might, that might be all with you, but it's not just me 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,280 and you. It's not just the two of us. 48 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,720 This is a special episode because it's 64 and hey, it's 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,000 kind of fun to make 64 a thing. I don't know, I thought it was 50 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,720 clever, but maybe it's just, it's just silly. 51 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,280 But I'm going to go with it. I'm going to run with it. 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,680 And it's a franchise that me and you both love. 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,760 A lot of people do. And we're going to bring on a 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,160 series of guests. This is like a round table at 55 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,120 this point. This time we have the entire Fun 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,360 and Games podcast crew with us. We have Matt, Jeff and Sarah 57 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,760 here to talk about Banjo Kazooie. 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Hello, Welcome to Remember 6. Hi. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,880 Hello. I knew that was coming. 60 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,680 Jeff is nothing if not predictable that that laugh was 61 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,560 for the video version. You'll have to tune in to see. 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,320 Please push me to the YouTube I got. 63 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,840 You please, please do. Please do. 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,400 Thanks for having us. We're excited to be back. 65 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,240 I love that we did a retrospective over on our show 66 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,440 where all of us got to participate in, much to Sarah's 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,000 surprise, in the moment and. Then you were like moment a 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,280 fantastic. It was really downplay it. 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,760 It was a fantastic. Moment it was. 70 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,400 It was great. It was fantastic, yeah. 71 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,560 And you, you both basically asked on the spot, well, we're 72 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,160 doing Banjo Kazooie. Do you guys want to talk about 73 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,520 it and see a lot? And so here we are. 74 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,440 And so thank you for having us. We're really excited to be a 75 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,400 part of this legendary journey through the good, bad, the ugly 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,400 and everything in between. Yeah, it's, it was great to be 77 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,680 able to, to come on the show and talk about the 64 as a whole, 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,120 you know, the retrospective episode so people can find out 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,400 in the game fun and games podcast feed as well. 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,760 But Matt, we've had you on the show before, Jeff and Sarah. 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,519 We have not. But we did discuss a lot of the 82 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,800 N64 in general. So I'm not going to, we don't 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,960 have to go through the whole, you know, history of everything 84 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,000 with the 64 and everything. But Sarah, I'm going to start 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,800 with you. Let's just chat about, you know, 86 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,280 broadly speaking, what what your feelings are of the 64 and 87 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:41,160 gaming kind of around this time. You have a pretty epic story of 88 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,840 your experience with it at the time, but I think people should 89 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:46,280 listen to that episode for that. But is there anything else that 90 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:47,440 we? May yeah, I'll I'll look really 91 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,480 good on this episode and not like a giant terrible human. 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,160 So anyway, I I'm not going to say any more about that. 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,160 I love an N64 collect a thon. It's probably my favorite genre 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,520 of game, Banjo Kazooie's, and up in my top five. 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:09,120 DK 64 was my jam, right? I love a game that broadcasts to 96 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,440 you what you're supposed to do. I need to become Tiny Kong and 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,000 go get Purple Bananas to get that, and Banjo Kazooie has some 98 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,760 amount of that, and I like that a lot. 99 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,200 It also has some really hard stuff where you're like, how am 100 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,200 I supposed to know how to break that window without looking at a 101 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,360 guide? I will say I replayed it this 102 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,160 last week to prepare for this podcast because I am a good 103 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,000 student and I want to get a good grade and podcast. 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,440 It's a lot better with save states. 105 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,880 I had a much better time playing it than I did as a kid. 106 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,760 But I actually have a lot of love, a lot of nostalgia for the 107 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,280 genre in general. I love a platformer. 108 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,960 I don't even hate bad camera angles. 109 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,360 I think it adds charm to it. I think I am good at it and that 110 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,640 makes me feel good. Nice, nice. 111 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,920 I love that, Jeff, if you're there somewhere. 112 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Oh, I'm here. I'm here. 113 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,480 Just kidding. How about you? 114 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,320 That's actually a pretty good a pretty good jumping off. 115 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,080 But we have talked about DK 64, which is actually I think the 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,200 first episode that that Jiggy joined the show. 117 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,400 So so that yeah, that was the that was about two years ago 118 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,880 now. So jeez, time flies it. 119 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,200 Was episode 19 is when I hopped if I if memory serves. 120 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:26,200 I can make it, I can look it up if you'd like. 121 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,280 But I have a terrible memory, so I'm just gonna go with that. 122 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:30,920 Let's just say it's that, yeah, we've been doing fun games for 123 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,200 eight years. And I just real and like that. 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,840 I'm still coping with that. The the time creeps up, the time 125 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,080 will pass regardless. Yeah, It's it's a flat circle, 126 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,120 right? Isn't that what time is? 127 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,160 It's something like that. Yeah, something like that. 128 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Jeff, I think actually Sarah puts a, it's a pretty good point 129 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,520 out there to say, you know, collectathons are pretty well 130 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,560 known on this console. You know that that is a huge 131 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,720 part of what the N64 is, Banjo Kazooie or not. 132 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:59,160 Is that something that tickles your fancy as well? 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,640 So collect a Thon's? Yeah, absolutely. 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,040 I love a good collect a Thon. I love exploring spaces, finding 135 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,120 secrets, engaging with mechanics, overcoming 136 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,880 challenges, solving puzzles. I grew up with a PlayStation, 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:22,480 not an N64, so 3D traversal for me went from control pad with 138 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,960 maybe awkward shoulder buttons that kind of rotate the camera a 139 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,160 bit to dual stick and I have. More. 140 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Yeah, it is. And so I and it's something 141 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,040 we've stuck with across most gaming ever since. 142 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,080 So my time with the Nintendo 64, much like I said on our 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,520 retrospective for fun and games, it was mostly at friends houses 144 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,120 and then as an adult it was with Sarah's guidance. 145 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:52,480 So there is a little bit of, I don't have the same nostalgia 146 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,720 for some of this that everyone else does, but I still have 147 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,480 plenty of games that I played that I love and I don't have the 148 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,320 same love for the camera angles that Sarah does. 149 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Thank you for saying that Sarah. At least one of us likes it. 150 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,200 I sort. I also played through Banjo 151 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,320 Kazooie in preparation for this episode. 152 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,160 But in true how I was as a student fashion, I started it a 153 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,680 few days ago and so I just treated it like a blockbuster 154 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 rental. I am somewhere in Clankers 155 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,040 Cavern right now. The game is currently paused 156 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,200 behind me. There was a lot of cursing 157 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,320 before we got on this. Call. 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,800 That we need to hear about. That's a, that's a teaser right 159 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,080 there that we got to get into well. 160 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,120 He said he was in Plankers Cavern, so. 161 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Yeah. I mean, yeah, that explains 162 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,440 itself. Basically one of the worst 163 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,760 stages in the entire game. It wasn't so much cursing as 164 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,440 just seething existential rage. That's fair. 165 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,440 I think. I just wait till rusty bucket. 166 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,000 I know, that's why I said I'm like. 167 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,280 That's where it starts to get even harder, though. 168 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,720 I don't. I'm not saying that it's getting 169 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,440 too hard or anything like that. Here's the other thing to 170 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,480 understand. I would never say that I am the 171 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,560 greatest gamer out there, but I am far from the worst. 172 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,720 I'm pretty good in fact, and there is plenty of times where 173 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,840 when it is flowing with Banjo Kazooie, it's great. 174 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,440 And there is plenty of where I see they're coming from what I 175 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,680 see. And we, and I said this, I've 176 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,640 got on record with you all saying this before, the N64 was 177 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:30,680 a big piece of awkward but necessary evolution in a lot of 178 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:34,760 design and a lot of ideas. And so Banjo Kazooie is 179 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,160 definitely a lot of cool ideas, a lot of things I wish there was 180 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,880 a better version of this game kind of thing. 181 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,880 Like, and there are out there and there's other things that 182 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,480 people have gone on for, but there's some very deep 183 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,760 frustrations that got me very upset, yes. 184 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:53,320 Fair enough, fair enough. Matt, I know like an asshole. 185 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,240 No, no, no. We're gonna, oh, don't worry. 186 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,280 We're, we're gonna, Jeff, we're gonna dig right into it. 187 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Don't you worry. Good, good, good. 188 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,400 OK, good. Yeah, we will help you through 189 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,560 this. We will help you through this. 190 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:08,000 Matt, I know that you're pretty excited to, to get a chance to, 191 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,360 to replay this and everything. And I say that because you wrote 192 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,360 to Jiggy and I are just me. I can't remember if it was the 193 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,800 group that that we had our chat and said, well, if I'm going to 194 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,640 do this, I'm going to do this the the authentic way or as as 195 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,120 authentic as possible. Tell us about that and how that 196 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,880 went. Yeah, so I don't have it near me 197 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,080 actually, but yeah. So I had played some of the N64 198 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,920 stuff on the Nintendo Switch Online, like Mari 64, and 199 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,000 barring the fact that that port isn't great to begin with, I was 200 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,320 just frustrated with the controller because most 201 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,240 controllers you can remap to anything. 202 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,960 But I feel like there's something about the N64 203 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,520 controller in its shape that like I need the controller, the 204 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,760 controller itself to really get the buttons down. 205 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,600 And so the. Layout is is even more. 206 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,760 I don't know if unique is even the right word than even like 207 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,920 the GameCube would be like if there's just the just the form 208 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:04,320 factor of it, something about it is is of its own existence. 209 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,680 I don't know what the word is. Well, because the buttons, yeah, 210 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,760 it's the C buttons and the three prongs. 211 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,640 It's like the thing about the GameCube controller is even 212 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,840 though it's a weird shape, the buttons map to like the standard 213 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,360 Xbox 360 shape controller pretty well because it's the same 214 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,840 amount of button and Agalog sticks. 215 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,800 It's just that one's a weird shape. 216 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Whereas the N64 controller, it's got only the two shoulder 217 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,360 buttons, the 1 analog stick, the three prongs, the C buttons like 218 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,400 it doesn't map neatly to another controller. 219 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Jeff grabbed one of his N64 controllers. 220 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,480 And the fact that everybody like they designed this with this the 221 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,880 D pad on the far left side, because I think they thought 222 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,320 more people would do 2D navigation, but with the 3D and 223 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,480 everyone holding the middle prong, that meant the Z button. 224 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:51,440 And this created a great imbalance. 225 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,360 And if you've got an L button and an R button, there's a lot 226 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,840 of balance ideas of what you would want to do with that. 227 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,480 But the Z button has kind of a trigger feel to it. 228 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,000 So this meant a lot of like the the crouching that you do in 229 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Banjo Kazooie do with the Z button. 230 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,200 Cool, great, very natural. But it leaves you with an odd 231 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,760 disconnect and an odd imbalance in what you do with the R button 232 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,840 necessarily. Yeah. 233 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,120 And so this. Is the authentic mat this? 234 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,200 Yes, See the. Y so because I don't have an N64 235 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,720 anymore and could have borrowed bars, I could have, but I also 236 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,480 would have had no TV to hook it up to because I don't have an 237 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,560 old retro TV. Yeah, and then you gotta get the 238 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,400 the adapters and things like it's on the wall I. 239 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,000 Went down the well of looking up like the the those. 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Adapters fine. Yeah. 241 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,600 And so. That's fine. 242 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,080 I decided since we talked about that, we were gonna do it and we 243 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,120 were pushing it out to like about a month from when we had 244 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,240 last spoke. I was like, look, I wanted to 245 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,160 get one of the replica N64 controllers through NSO for a 246 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,560 while. I'd been looking for something 247 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,200 to pull the trigger on. This was perfect. 248 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,280 And so I did, and it came. And my first reaction was a 249 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,720 reaction I've had before with getting new versions of old 250 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,520 hardware was, boy, I remember this controller being bigger, 251 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,240 but the fact was I was just smaller back then. 252 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,280 Jeff, when I was trying to get back to playing Gameboy Advance 253 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,760 games on actual hardware, Jeff found a Gameboy SP for me. 254 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,320 The clamshell without the back, like with just the front light 255 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,920 for a good price. And so grabbed one for me, which 256 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,400 I happily paid for and at his local game shop. 257 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:29,320 And when he when Jeff got it to me, I flipped it open and put my 258 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,840 hands on it and went this feels very tiny. 259 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,840 This game, this console wasn't that tiny. 260 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,960 And so like, it's perfect. For me it's. 261 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,960 Right. It's also basically a straight 262 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,400 square. You know, when you hold like it 263 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,200 is, it's kind of like holding the NES controller, like when I 264 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:50,160 hold that now my hands aren't aren't huge or anything, but I 265 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,600 can't give. Them all to me, I will play 266 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,080 them. They are perfect for my hand 267 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,080 size. I have a couple. 268 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Plane and I will take them. I have a couple and they are 269 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,240 functional. So, right, well, the thing I run 270 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,400 into, especially with stuff like the NES controller, isn't so 271 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,200 much the size a little bit, it's the ergonomics. 272 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:10,400 Like I remember playing on that little blocky rectangle, you 273 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,960 know, playing on the NES with that for hours, and this was 274 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,320 great and it was fine. Like, yeah, your hands would 275 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,080 sweat, whatever else, but this was perfect. 276 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,360 And as ergonomics got better and better, you'd go back and go. 277 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,400 We were fine with this. Well, but we should be so. 278 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,160 Safe you say that, but I played Banjo Kazooie this past week on 279 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,240 my Nintendo Switch light and using the ZL button instead of 280 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,920 an actual Z button to try to run with Kazooie and the trot was so 281 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,000 much harder. It's not as intuitive. 282 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,600 It like hurts your hand a little bit. 283 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,800 I like, I wish that I'd done what you did, Matt, even though 284 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,320 I did most of my playing on a train, so it's probably for the 285 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,760 best. I was just on my Switch light, 286 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,720 but yeah, this game was meant to be played on an N64 controller 287 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,960 and it was a bit of a challenge. Even having played it and what I 288 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:03,240 thought was beating it. I'll get to that later as a kid 289 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,200 and then beating it again now. It was a much different 290 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,880 experience and I prefer the older ergonomic design to the 291 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,480 way it was on the Switch. Yeah, I would say the button 292 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,320 mapping for the N64 controller, I can't think of a better way 293 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,840 that they could have done it for this game. 294 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,960 And I did my playthrough on original hardware on our TV. 295 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,240 Because I don't, I don't. This is my first time playing 296 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,120 through, like truly playing through it. 297 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,120 I don't deserve modern conveniences. 298 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 I need the true experience to speak about it honestly. 299 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Yeah, which is totally legit. But for me also as someone who 300 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,480 had been wanting to play it the whole way through, which I may 301 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,680 have done when I was a kid, but I definitely don't remember, I 302 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,520 wanted to have a comfortable, a comfortable to mind nostalgia, 303 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,040 at least controller experience. And like it worked really well. 304 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,640 The controller feels pretty legit. 305 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,760 I mean, I can't compare it to the original hardware because I 306 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,920 don't have access to it at the moment, but like for what my 307 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,120 muscle memory was like the analog stick took a couple days 308 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,600 to like kind of really go through its paces to feel 309 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,880 comfortable. But it I adjusted pretty quick 310 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,240 And like, while I will admit that I would have never gotten 311 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,600 through this game without safe States and modern conveniences, 312 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,080 I did 100% it and I did not set out to do that because I rarely 313 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,080 and like Jeff can speak to this often whenever we talk about our 314 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,440 favorite genre Metroidvanias, I rarely 100% those. 315 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,760 It's Pokémon games too. I rarely 100% them. 316 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,200 I want to beat them. I want to go the extra mile for 317 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,400 what I feel is comfortable, but then that's it. 318 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,840 But once I got to the point, because this game basically to 319 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,120 complete it, you need like 4 jiggy, 4 extra jiggies and like 320 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,400 20 notes. I was like, well I'm almost 321 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,960 there, I'll look up a guide and I'll finish it. 322 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,040 It was worth it, but I definitely wouldn't have done it 323 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,800 if I was playing on the N64 because I remember getting the 324 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,320 3D All Stars pack, playing Mario 64 for like 20 minutes and 325 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,200 going. Maybe I don't love this game as 326 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,960 much as I used to, which isn't really possible, but I think it 327 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,040 really was the weird controller layout because it's based like 328 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,840 like Jeff said, the Z button is very unique in the fact that 329 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,960 it's meant to be a trigger, trigger feel and having it on 330 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,960 the shoulder doesn't work because ergonomic. 331 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,960 Ergonomically, it wasn't meant to be that way. 332 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,520 And so I'm excited to dive into more of the NSO library with 333 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,160 this controller now that I have it, because there are a bunch of 334 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,400 classic games from it that I haven't played in ages that I 335 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,000 want to revisit. Yeah. 336 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,319 And it's great that Nintendo is providing that. 337 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,400 If they're giving us games to your NSO, being able to do that, 338 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,400 it's it's ideal. Yes, I'm playing on modern, I'm 339 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,520 playing on the original hardware because that's what we do. 340 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,040 And that's why that's how we're weirdos. 341 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,960 But the fact that any modern gamer can have that N64 342 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,000 controller experience more aligned with its design is 343 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,120 honestly great. Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah. 344 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,920 I, I talked about this a little bit on on your show when we 345 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,880 talked about 64, but I guess it's somewhat similar as playing 346 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,800 a handheld because similarly to to you, Sarah, I had to kind of 347 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,320 play this on the go in a way. Because when I decided to play 348 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,120 this, I played it in September when our son was not sleeping 349 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:06,440 well at all and he was sleeping on my chest essentially almost 350 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,400 every single day. And I was like, I need a comfort 351 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,680 game. I need something I haven't 352 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,240 played in a while. I'm going to make it an N64 353 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,320 game. I, as if anyone's watching, can 354 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,960 see that I own the entire library of the Banjo Kazooie 355 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,800 franchise. So I was like, you know what I 356 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,440 can get away with legally, you know, robbing this thing on my 357 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Steam Deck, which I did. So it has a very almost the 358 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,880 exact same layout button layout as what the switch would have. 359 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,800 You have that R2 or L2 like that button is up there. 360 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,400 The C buttons are the little joystick in the corner which is 361 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,800 so so like that I think is actually the bigger problem for 362 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,240 me is that but but the Steam Deck is also larger and I find 363 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,160 more comfortable than holding the switch for longer for myself 364 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,840 anyway so. See, back to my little hands. 365 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,960 The Steam Deck is just too big. Totally fair, completely fair. 366 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,000 I I think at times it does actually feel a little bit 367 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,600 clunky in a way. But it it, it, yeah, it is. 368 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,920 I mean, there's more, there's more in it, I guess is part of 369 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,520 it, right. So. 370 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:08,280 It's some this is this is a QRD T5 or whatever, but like a Horry 371 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,080 pad or something, you know, it's something that that shapes 372 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,280 shapes your hand better. The joy cons I they're they're 373 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,360 too small even for me. I wouldn't say I have big hands 374 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,160 either, but I get a little cramped sometimes when I play 375 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,240 there in handheld for long periods of time. 376 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,160 Yeah, that's with the joy cons. But I will say that this is a 377 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,600 game that you should you should really try to play the N64 378 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,280 controller. I'm glad other people said it 379 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,240 because I have. I was literally going to war on 380 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,680 Twitter about this yesterday. Well, that was your first 381 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,520 mistake, was going on Twitter I think. 382 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,120 Right, I was well you. Just go to war the second you 383 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,400 log in. Yeah, yeah. 384 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Basically isn't that. What it is just it was just 385 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,640 talking about, right? It's buried. 386 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,920 It's buried somewhere in the privacy settings, Yeah. 387 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Yeah, somewhere. Good luck with that. 388 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,760 For me the worst thing about playing with a modern controller 389 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,800 like not having the C buttons. I can tolerate it for the most 390 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,160 part, but honestly shooting eggs is a nightmare with a joystick. 391 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,440 That's exactly what it was. That is the worst thing and 392 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,400 would make me say any version that uses a modern controller. 393 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,200 That's not the way to do it. I. 394 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,120 Figured out another way though. On the Switch, you could hold 395 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:27,400 down the right trigger and push the top on the buttons like 396 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,520 forward. It was much better. 397 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,680 I, I looked it up, I was like, I'm not gonna make it if I have 398 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,520 to use the joystick. For eggs. 399 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,880 Slamming up on the joystick. Oh my God. 400 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,640 Yeah, no, it was bad. And like you have to shoot eggs 401 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,360 forward so many times. Yes, you. 402 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,600 Do and you have to be precise about shooting forward because 403 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,680 if you move that joystick slightly left or right, it like 404 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,600 doesn't hit the right zone. It's just like, no. 405 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,400 So yeah, I had an issue with that. 406 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,920 I wonder if, I wonder if the Steam Deck default would have 407 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,680 been that too, because I didn't, I didn't even try that. 408 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,800 I should have looked it up. That's a great. 409 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Idea. I looked it up. 410 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,880 I was like, there's got to be a way to shoot eggs because it was 411 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,360 not this hard. Yeah, it's not. 412 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,880 Oh yeah, just hold. ZR and hit the top button. 413 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,120 I was like, oh, I'm going to do it. 414 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,960 It means you accidentally use your gold feathers sometimes 415 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,120 because you hit the right button and ZR. 416 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,800 But it's OK. It's it's worth it. 417 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,840 Screw those gold feathers. They're not. 418 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,080 They're not as critical, yeah. They're not as critical, yeah. 419 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,080 You could always get more. They're sometimes not, But OK, 420 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,600 while we're shitting on modern conveniences in this game, I 421 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,160 have a couple of things I want to say about why it's good. 422 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,720 One, you're 10 years old. You have 90 Jiggies or sorry, 90 423 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,960 notes, and mom says it's time to go to Taekwondo. 424 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,560 You have to leave. You can't leave the N64 pause 425 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,000 for several hours. Specific you can. 426 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,800 Try and then it'll be frozen. By the time you get back the. 427 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,400 The actual just ability, and I feel this way about most games 428 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,840 that you can play on the Switch or the Steam Deck to turn it off 429 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,480 and just pick up right where you left off is amazing. 430 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,960 And especially in a game as punishing as Banjo Kazooie. 431 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,560 Right. So I assume that all of our 432 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,440 listeners know how to play it. But if you die, if you drown, if 433 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,120 you get hit by something, if you jump off something super high 434 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,480 and think you can land and don't, you die and you lose all 435 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,760 of the notes that you've collected. 436 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,280 It's so punishing. And that mole is just so proud 437 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,600 of you, of your record of notes that you got. 438 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,840 And I and I understand Kazooie's vitriol for him. 439 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Yeah, we should have a whole side thing about Bottles. 440 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,240 We everybody hates him in the game, so therefore I kind of 441 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,720 like. Him, I mean, I, I, I appreciate 442 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,280 him, but I can understand it sometimes. 443 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,520 I had the thing of on the flip side where Sarah, I told you 444 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,080 yesterday while I was playing through the game, reset on me. 445 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,160 Oh no. Guess how many notes I had? 446 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:51,440 Oh no. 90. 9/4 I was I was like getting to the last area of get 447 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,280 like getting the last 6G. Yep. 448 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Yep, Yep, no, that's wait, what? So it just. 449 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,640 It just that was treasure trove. No. 450 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,360 Don't be a baby. That's what I was like. 451 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,680 Get those again. Yeah, so treasure trove is a 452 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,000 treat. It's a treasure, okay? 453 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,120 Okay, we're talking about treasure trove. 454 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,800 I came up to Jeff who was like, I can't get this swimming. 455 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,160 I was like, what swimming are you doing in treasure trove? 456 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,440 Really one Jinjo? I was like, oh, you're going to 457 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,000 have to do a lot more swimming. No, no, no, no. 458 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,360 This this was a specific thing not about. 459 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,440 Oh, the swimming physics. Swimming controls. 460 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,080 I know those were going to suck. It's that. 461 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Yeah. The second you get in there, the 462 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,760 shark spawns in it. You know what? 463 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,600 All I got to do is get myself in the right spot, do a quick shot 464 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,320 down to that Jinjo. It's fine. 465 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,960 Do I have depth perception on the N64? 466 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,360 No, I barely have depth perception in real life, let 467 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,680 alone on the N64. So that's fine. 468 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,840 I just need to align myself. How do I aim and align that 469 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,320 better? Getting the exact right spot. 470 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,920 Otherwise you've overshot it. What is the collision detection 471 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,960 on a Jinjo? I went through his head. 472 00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:00,040 Now you didn't touch it. Help me help help. 473 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,760 Help. Screw you, you dumb muppet. 474 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,280 I got him. I saved that Jinjo. 475 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:14,680 I saved the other 4 Jinjos. But the gulf of difficulty and 476 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,400 control frustration between yes, the utter joy of navigating 477 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,160 Treasure Trove Cove with its little ups and downs and 478 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,440 everything else and getting that one Jinjo. 479 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840 It's it's. It is that it is the. 480 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,800 Find which one it is. Has a scrub. 481 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,200 It's. The orange one that's right 482 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,520 underneath the. Star right under the pier when? 483 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,360 You look at the red 1, the docks. 484 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,560 It is the first one. You see them immediately. 485 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,000 Here we go. And you hear him. 486 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,040 So to your there he is, vitriol towards the Jinjo's yelling at 487 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,840 you. I like that because I'm like, 488 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,160 wait a second, there's one nearby. 489 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,400 Where is he? Where is he? 490 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Yeah, yeah. It's it is. 491 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,640 The you. Know what, it's actually very in 492 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,880 line with a lot of design of that era when you have the pre 493 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,480 boss cinematic that happens. Oh my God, that's so cool. 494 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,880 I died. All right, let's start this 495 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,200 again. Oh, it's the cinematic again. 496 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,120 Well, I died. Oh my God, I have to load it. 497 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,240 I hate that that particular decision and I hate that part. 498 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,560 Too. It's like it was one of those 499 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,600 words, yeah, no having it in there so you know it's there, 500 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,240 Super useful, super cool. If I'm doing three other things 501 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,680 because all of the collectibles are on top of each other and I'm 502 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,280 fighting for my life at Clankers Key and trying to get air 503 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,200 bubbles and I've got the Jinjo just yelling for me. 504 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560 It's it's lost its charm. It's it's fine. 505 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,120 It is just from case to case. These are just this is not a a 506 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,600 condemnation of the whole thing. I'm just venting I. 507 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,600 I, I like the, the thing I noticed is, and this is, this is 508 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,520 not just this game, but games of this era even more, or more 509 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,720 specifically 3D games just because of sound design and 510 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,200 stuff. But, you know, I'm playing this 511 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,120 with headphones on, whether I'm on the couch or where there was, 512 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,480 you know, sit in front of the TV or something. 513 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,280 Now I have that option. Whereas, you know, 2530 years 514 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,280 ago, I'm sitting with this tiny little CRT and barely hearing 515 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,560 what's coming out of these broken speakers of ATV that's 516 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,440 probably already 15 years old. When something like like, you 517 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840 know, characters are kind of calling you out or you're 518 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,160 hearing notes or you might hear some of the atmospheric stuff. 519 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,360 Like for now, like right now if you're inside the crab here and 520 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,080 there's like water dripping and stuff, you can hear that in your 521 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600 headphones. At the time, I didn't have any 522 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800 stereo sound. I didn't have anything to tell 523 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,360 me that like there was something extra going on here. 524 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,960 It was just go in, you hear some water splashing 'cause you're 525 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,720 walking through it and maybe you'll find a note or maybe 526 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,840 you'll find a puzzle. And I just, I it might, it might 527 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840 get on you a bit if some of these moments are a little bit 528 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,320 more frustrating, like you're talking about Jeff. 529 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,960 But like, I don't know, I just get too charmed by this. 530 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:53,720 I get too. Charmed. 531 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Oh, I guess if it's. Frustrating. 532 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,760 Some cool stuff, some great stuff. 533 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480 I guess the quiz at the end was really hard for you then when 534 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,600 they were like, what? Where did you hear this song? 535 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,280 And you're like, oh, I can't even hear what you're playing. 536 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,200 At the time, no chance. I'm sure it was a guess or I'm 537 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,520 sure I tried multiple times and cause and then at that time when 538 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,200 you're younger, you have the time to right over and over and 539 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,320 over and you're talking about safe States and stuff. 540 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,720 And it reminds me, I talked about this when we did Majora's 541 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,760 Mask, where I think that's a that's a great game. 542 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,600 And it was the first time that I played all the way through it 543 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,440 when we did that episode. But you know, that is a game 544 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,000 that is based around time. Like yes, very clearly, yes. 545 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,760 And I just didn't. I just don't have that 546 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,800 opportunity or that chance right now to be able to sit there and 547 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760 do this quote UN quote, the way it was, it was created. 548 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,480 So having safe states in a game like that really saved my ass 549 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,480 because I played that on NSO at the time on a game. 550 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,160 OK. So let's talk about save states. 551 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,280 I played all the way through the Haunted Mansion level 100% in 552 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,320 all of them. Yeah, with no safe states, I was 553 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760 like, this is going to be great. And then I realized it was 554 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,360 yesterday and we were recording today. 555 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,800 So I decided, OK, it's time for some modern conveniences to get 556 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,840 me again to get a good grade in podcast and finish this game. 557 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,480 It made the hardest levels of the game trivial in Click, clock 558 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,720 wood, all those times when you fall off the tiny little path or 559 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,720 one of those parrots, you know, pushes you off. 560 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,040 I save stated right before that it doesn't matter, everything's 561 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,440 easy. It was still frustrating. 562 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000 Jeff still came in to me cursing, trying to beat that 563 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320 level. But the place that it was the 564 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,520 most ridiculous was the quiz. I would they'd ask a question, 565 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200 I'd save state. I'd guess I'd load. 566 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,160 I'd guess I'd yeah. I'm taking notes. 567 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440 Yeah. Just ask, I can help you get 568 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,000 good. You you said the answers are 569 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,280 randomized. So for some of them, some of the 570 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,320 things like where did you hear this sound is not randomized. 571 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,960 All the terrible things that Grinchilda's sister says about 572 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,080 her are apparently randomized. You can't look them up. 573 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,600 She says different things. Which is. 574 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,120 That's what I'm taking notes on right now. 575 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,960 Yeah, yeah, I would. But I so this seems like a good 576 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,640 spot to bring it up. There are some thematic problems 577 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,640 with this game and that the whole premise is that the 578 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,560 villain is fat and old and we're going to steal a child so that 579 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,240 she can be young and hot and her sister, who's clearly a huge 580 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,120 bully, waits around to tell you mean things about her sister. 581 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,440 Don't relate this at all to what I said on the podcast the other 582 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760 time about being mean to siblings. 583 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,680 But anyway, it's real hard to watch in 2025 all of this like 584 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,040 fat phobia, old phobia stuff that like really doesn't hit the 585 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,520 same way it did in the late 90s. And yeah, I didn't want to 586 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480 listen to Brent Hilda totally dunk on her sister. 587 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,080 So that's where safe stating was really good. 588 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,200 Yeah, I just. I thought it was worth 589 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,720 mentioning, although one other thing that's not a modern 590 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,480 convenience to this game. When you push save and quit, 591 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,880 which as a child you think means save your progress, there was no 592 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320 save icon, there was no anything. 593 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,040 And it suddenly takes you to a game over screen where Gruntilda 594 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,840 gets real hot and your sister basically is her life is ruined. 595 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,360 It's devastating. I was like you said, save and 596 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,120 quit, not lose. You're quitting. 597 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,160 You're leaving. But Gruntilda was hot, though, 598 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,160 wasn't she? She was. 599 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,200 She was, really. Hot. 600 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,280 Look at that dress. Mumbo thought so. 601 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,200 I mean that. Mumbo. 602 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,960 Yeah, Mumbo. Mumbo. 603 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Mumbo no one's. Also a little bit of a problem 604 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,240 if we're talking about. This listen the mumbo lore is 605 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,080 crazy because mumbo mumbo and Gruntilda. 606 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,200 So Gruntilda was like his I I I I'm trying to remember what the 607 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560 instruction manual says. It says something like Gruntilda 608 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:06,480 was his student and Mumbo, like, taught her magic, and then she 609 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280 got mad at him about something and turned his face into a 610 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,560 skull, and that's why he looks like Mumbo. 611 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880 And then it's never addressed. It's never, like, they never 612 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160 talk about it at all. It's just like this little blurb 613 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,680 in the instruction manual. In classic fashion. 614 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Yeah. So basically like, she turned 615 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,520 his face into skull. He hates her. 616 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,800 It's a whole thing. And then the end. 617 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,920 He's just like, well, you're hot now, so. 618 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,760 I mean, Mumbo's got a lot of things to say about people being 619 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,280 hot in the end and that stuff too, but with, you know, 620 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,320 waitress carrying watermelons in front of her chest again. 90 621 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,160 Well, she asked for that. This is This is rare wearer's 622 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,840 take on Aku Aku from Crash Bandicoot, I'm guessing and. 623 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,160 You know. You got to have a magical 624 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,000 protector, but we also got some jokes. 625 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,800 I don't know. Yeah, Rails just like that. 626 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720 They they are and like that. And again, when it hits, it's 627 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920 very funny. Well they break the 4th wall 628 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,760 with Mumbo, he says what he's like the best shaman in the game 629 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,880 or something. Which I always I like when a 630 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200 game or a movie or something breaks the 4th wall. 631 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,920 Makes me smile. Yeah, it's got. 632 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,880 This game does get a lot too. Like I feel like all of 633 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Kazooie's snark is aimed at bottles. 634 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,240 Like I love cross time. It's like. 635 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,520 I love it. I love the back. 636 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,240 It's so funny. It's one of my favorite parts. 637 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,160 I, I, I thought that I would get tired of the dialogue because 638 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520 I've seen a lot of people like I've watched tons of content 639 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,520 creators I enjoy cover this game. 640 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,960 One of my favorite content creators is on this call with 641 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,920 me, Mr. Jiggy, look back. But like, like a lot of folks 642 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,360 have covered this game and over, I've watched more coverage of it 643 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,240 than I've replayed it. I hadn't played it in a long 644 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,960 time. And a lot of the things that 645 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,080 folks like some call me Johnny and a bunch of other folks have 646 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,960 complained about is like the constant vocalization of the of 647 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,320 the words gets annoying because the same stuff the whole game. 648 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,480 But I don't know now how did I've replayed. 649 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,560 I don't agree. I think the sound design is 650 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960 incredible. I think the vocalization is cute 651 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,440 and fun and never really that annoying. 652 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,040 I mean, like Gruntilda's voice is annoying, but I think that's 653 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,600 by design, basically. But like every time any other 654 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520 character talked, I was just enamored, like, and some of the 655 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,000 characters that I didn't remember, I was excited to hear 656 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,360 what they sounded like, right? This was the earliest versions 657 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,560 of voice acting we got in games like this before they could do 658 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,200 for some of the game's full voice. 659 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,400 And I, I just, I don't agree with those takes that it gets 660 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600 grading. I mean, again, I also had an 661 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,960 easier time of playing the game because I did save state and 662 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,240 stuff and streamline a bunch of it. 663 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,800 And I imagine if I played for twice as long and got stuck on 664 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920 twice as many things, it'd be different. 665 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720 But I don't know, I, I think that it's overblown that the 666 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,880 voices get annoying in this. I think it's fun. 667 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,160 And like Dave was saying, like I love Kazooie's snark. 668 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,560 Like it's some of the best writing in the entire game. 669 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,720 Is whatever new nickname she has for Bottles this time. 670 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,280 And I, and I would even say that for all the frustrations that 671 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,800 have already aired and everything else, I never got 672 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,240 annoyed at the voices. And I definitely have the and I 673 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,639 have the syndrome of I'm calm. This is fine. 674 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,920 And now I'm frustrated. And when I get frustrated with 675 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,880 games it. Do you know the concept of this 676 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,280 bitch eating crackers? Where? 677 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,679 You get so mad that anything happening around you and then 678 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,800 there's this bitch eating crackers kind of thing. 679 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Like that level of frustration happened while playing Banjo 680 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,320 Kazooie. But at no point did the voices 681 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,080 bother me. Those were unobtrusive and 682 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,159 characteristic. I mean, again, I played the 683 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,239 original Gex so much on the PS1. You want to talk? 684 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,000 About tail time. It's tail time. 685 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,840 This will be great for my collection over and over again, 686 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,040 and that gets grading. But when it's just some noise, 687 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,000 it becomes part of the background, and the sound and 688 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960 music design is utterly beyond reproach on this game. 689 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,600 Yeah, you know, yeah, I would say that the voices don't get 690 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,440 annoying, mostly because whenever they pop up, there's 691 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,000 something actually to be said. Yes, that's related to the plot 692 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,840 or the level. It's never, with the exception 693 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,880 of Gruntilda randomly in the layer popping up and like, 694 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,800 taunting you. Yeah, you never have like random 695 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,800 instances like you do in Gex where he just randomly will say 696 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,840 something or make a quip, you know? 697 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,080 Yeah, So I think, I think that plays a huge factor into it. 698 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,000 And plus, I love Mumbo's voice. I just want to say his is my 699 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,800 favorite. The oh, I got a fuck. 700 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,240 It's it's amazing. It's my favorite. 701 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,720 It's just like in my head forever. 702 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,320 Hey. Jeff, what's your favorite? 703 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,200 Yeah, Jeff, definitely Kazooie. I mean, honestly, because there 704 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,720 again, even before I like sat down to play this, the 705 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:45,600 characteristic sound for me, it's like, what does Banjo 706 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,280 Kazooie sound like? Yeah. 707 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Yeah, of like running around and I'm like once I got that 708 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,680 ability, I'm like, yeah, there it is. 709 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,680 Yeah, let's. Go. 710 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,840 There it is. And again, rather than having 711 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,560 like cool in however you want to spell cool with big air quotes, 712 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,320 like quips going on every time you use a move that like rotates 713 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,760 maybe 2-3 that you're doing this move over and over again there 714 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,400 it's it's almost music. It is a tone. 715 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,440 It is a motif that goes along with whatever is happening, 716 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:25,200 which is another piece of OK, the your duo of Banjo and 717 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,080 Kazooie like almost form into a different shape when something 718 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,280 is going on, when the beak attack is happening, when you're 719 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,360 doing the job, when you're when Kazooie is walking and the 720 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,840 sounds going with that further this idea of satisfaction of 721 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,440 doing the thing you set out to do. 722 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,200 So hell yeah. Yeah, I think. 723 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,480 I think also, really quick, this is a thing that we didn't really 724 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,240 address in the N64 episode, but like the sound design, we did 725 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,360 talk about this a little bit with the limitations pushing the 726 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,960 music and other things. The limitation pushed the voice 727 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,400 acting, too. I think of some of the most 728 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,960 iconic sounds in video games. And it's Banjo Kazooie's voice. 729 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,400 It's Lynx voice that. Yeah, yeah. 730 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,160 From like the N64 Zelda's, you know, or Mario, like Mario's 731 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,920 triple jump. I hear in my head when I talk 732 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,840 about it, the progression of it, because it's, it had to be 733 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,080 memorable because they had so little to work with. 734 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,280 They had to make those moments stand out. 735 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,960 And to that point, something I love in Banjo Kazooie for the 736 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,800 sound design is there, again, a lot of what they do with these 737 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,840 things is they get the clip and then they can alter it and play 738 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,600 with it because you just have the thing and then you run it 739 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,720 through parameters. You know Grant Kirkhope is the 740 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,120 voice of Donkey Kong. Not because he's his voice goes 741 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,560 low enough to do. OK. 742 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480 Because he just did it and then pitched it down. 743 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,480 And Banjo Kazooie, if you hold down the button to speed up 744 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,120 dialogue, their voices get higher because you're playing it 745 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,120 on Fast forward. It's so good I. 746 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,640 Love it. And so many of the voices are 747 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,600 just reused too and just pitched like Clanker is Banjo's voice 748 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,720 just really slowed down, which is amazing. 749 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,160 Yeah, and if one. Of these were actual dialogue, 750 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,960 it would be a monstrosity. Yeah, right. 751 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,200 It wouldn't work. It just it just it would not, it 752 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,880 wouldn't be the same meaning that. 753 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,360 Same feel like. Hey, wait a minute. 754 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,280 Like, you can't tell. You can't tell. 755 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,240 Especially as a child playing this game. 756 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,400 You can't tell that that's the same voice actor, just like, 757 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,520 pitched. Yeah, there's no way you can't 758 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,800 tell. Even now you can't tell. 759 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,720 That's like I got. I got no beef with the sound 760 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:20,880 here. That's just good design. 761 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,520 Music and sound is so important in this game. 762 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,040 It's so important that the main characters are named after 763 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640 musical instruments. You have to collect musical 764 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,040 notes. Like, it was not an 765 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,160 afterthought. It was definitely a focus 766 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,640 throughout the game. Yeah, great. 767 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,440 And Grant Kirkop did an amazing job. 768 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:43,880 Too you're here. I remember we when we 769 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,160 interviewed Grant Kirkop and for our show and I mentioned that to 770 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,720 Sarah you you had you had a message you wanted me to impart 771 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:54,080 to him. That was was it The Haunted 772 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,720 Mansion music was was a huge part of your childhood. 773 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,280 Mad Monster Mansion. There it is. 774 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,720 Mad Monster Mansion No. No no, the the music in the DK 775 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,680 60. 4 the DK 64 I'm sorry. Oh. 776 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,880 Creepy castle, yeah. Yeah, that's right. 777 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,960 And it was one of the creepy, creepy Rare games. 778 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,880 I'm sorry. That's fair. 779 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,720 No, I thought I I was like, did I tell you to say oh, banana to 780 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,280 Grant Kirko? Because I don't remember that. 781 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,760 But that would have been really cool. 782 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,640 Yeah, I mean, this, this soundtrack I've championed 783 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,200 everywhere. And like, it's funny too, 784 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,760 because I remember, I thought I would only remember some of it. 785 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,440 And then when I replayed this game, like literally every song, 786 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,200 I remembered immediately I was grooving too. 787 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,880 And like. And yeah, I mean, Grant Kirkhope 788 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,080 was one of those like, pie in the sky dreams to interview. 789 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,320 And the fact that we got him on the show still to this day kind 790 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,080 of blows my mind. And like, it's because all of my 791 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,520 favorite games from this era, he did the music for or advised on 792 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,760 the music for and continues to work. 793 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,360 And like, you know, I think that this soundtrack is iconic 794 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,640 because the game is, but it's also because it and its sequel 795 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,400 have some of the best music and video games, full stop. 796 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,120 And like and not only does grant prove that with these 797 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,240 soundtracks and DK 64, but he also proves that with his like 798 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,720 remastered stuff. He re jiggy select songs from 799 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:16,440 the soundtrack and like. Each song is basically a yeah, 800 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,760 he's got vinyl version, like, and, and what's really amazing 801 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,080 is like Grant, Grant told us in the interview that he was in 802 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,120 metal bands and like, he's got a wide taste of music and like, he 803 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,760 flexes that muscle on this record. 804 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,240 One song is in the style of metal, one's more classical, 805 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,160 one's more dreamy, one's more retro. 806 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,960 Like, it really is kind of astonishing how malleable his 807 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,720 music is. Oh, those records are bright 808 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:41,440 green. Nice. 809 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,240 It's. So cool. 810 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,840 Yeah, it's. Freaking like the jump pad. 811 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,640 It looks like the jump pad. Yeah, that's amazing. 812 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,280 So one of the ones too, where they had like different choices. 813 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920 So you can get some that were different colors, I think, Yeah. 814 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,640 Yeah, I got the spring pad. I made it look like the spring 815 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,280 pad. I'm like that's. 816 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,200 That's a great idea. Yeah, I. 817 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,160 Got this little upholstery sign which is. 818 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,080 Oh nice. And they totally goofed up and 819 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,160 he sent me two. It's 'cause he knew you were 820 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,960 jiggy. Look back. 821 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,080 Yeah, exactly. Probably. 822 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,840 And, and I will also say that Banjo Kazooie has probably my 823 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,920 second favorite pause music right after. 824 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,800 Let's see if I can find BOM BOM. BOM, BOM BOM BOM BOM BOM, BOM. 825 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,680 There you go. You don't have to find it now. 826 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,560 I don't have to. Find it this is actually it's 827 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600 it's it's crazy that that we're talking about like just like the 828 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,000 music and how it's sort of ear worm is kind of the wrong way to 829 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,360 say it because ear worm almost has a negative connotation to 830 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,440 it. But there's only so much music 831 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,840 that I usually that I typically listen to a little too loud for 832 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,800 to play in the house with, you know, at the time that I was 833 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,760 playing this and since then, you know, under A1 year old in the 834 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,560 house. I'm not I'm not playing system 835 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,040 of a down. I'm I'm not doing it right. 836 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,880 I'm I'm just it's just not eventually he'll like it, but 837 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,440 not right now. So I, I, I find whether it's 838 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,720 Spotify, YouTube, whatever it is, and I find other versions of 839 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,840 soundtracks that I enjoy and this is one of them. 840 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,160 And there is a number of piano renditions and acoustic 841 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,440 renditions of this done by other artists and stuff. 842 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,400 And it's just great to listen to. 843 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,080 Like it's not exactly the same, but they put their fun little 844 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,920 spin on it. You know, some 11 in particular 845 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,840 that I listen to also has, you know, the original trilogy of, 846 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,800 of the Donkey Kong games in their own rendition too. 847 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,520 And it's very like acoustic like like when she plays the the 848 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,800 drums or the bongos in the Donkey Kong one, for example, 849 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,280 she's like just tapping like on the desk or on her seat or 850 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,640 something when and playing the piano. 851 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,000 It's just, this is something that is the music for this game 852 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,840 has been playing in my house since my son was born 10 months 853 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,320 ago. And it's like at least once a 854 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600 week I'm listening to this from start to finish. 855 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640 And it's just good background music. 856 00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,640 It's friendly, it's fun and it's just, it feels good to listen to 857 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,320 it, even if it's not the original version and I don't 858 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,040 have it playing on the TV or whatever it would be. 859 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,160 It's it's just. It's very happy. 860 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,680 It's very happy. Yeah. 861 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,920 And at every level, which I think is rare, no pun. 862 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,640 Yeah, but every level has a distinct sound and feel to it. 863 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:25,360 Using somehow it changes using the same sound sound font, but 864 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,760 it every level feels like it's supposed to feel like right now 865 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,080 we're watching freeze Easy peak feels very wintry, feels very, 866 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,360 you know, Christmassy time like and it's all just happy. 867 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:44,280 And I think it's really rare in a game that every levels track 868 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,000 is good. Like usually you have a track 869 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,240 where you're just like that. That one's OK, you know, 870 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,240 whatever. I can't think of one that's just 871 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,800 OK. I really enjoy all of them. 872 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,760 Yeah. Yeah, so Matt and Jeff will tell 873 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,400 you this. I'm not a huge music person. 874 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,400 If it wasn't on the CD in my car in 2006, I don't know it. 875 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,840 Every time I got to a new level in Banjo Kazooie on this 876 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,240 playthrough, it was like core memory unlocked. 877 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,200 And I was like, why do I know this music so intimately? 878 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,920 I I play this game a couple of times, but not a ton. 879 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,240 Turns out I spent even on this playthrough over an hour in 880 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,600 every level, which means I listened to the music straight 881 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,080 for over an hour in every level. And I think that that part of 882 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,080 that is it's so good, right? You don't feel like the time 883 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,280 goes by because you're enjoying the music, you're enjoying the 884 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,920 gameplay. Oh man, I didn't think to ground 885 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,000 pound here. I was using the RB1, the pack 886 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,880 one. No, no, not the pack the. 1 lbs 887 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,320 here. This is This is a nub. 888 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,560 I pass pound. All the time. 889 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,120 You gotta jump. I do too, but it takes so long. 890 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,040 AB is faster, isn't it? Yeah, the PEC is. 891 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,440 Faster Oh. No, I was. 892 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,440 I didn't use the PEC, I used the the other one the like. 893 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,760 Shoulder charge. Oh, they're so. 894 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,040 Hard no, that's even slower. I try. 895 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,960 Jump back, jump backs. I trust the hit box of the 896 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,080 ground pound. In the water. 897 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,880 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 898 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,640 Yeah. Man, I like, I like this level 899 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,440 so much. The other thing is, while while 900 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,240 we were talking before I'm going to go back to a conversation we 901 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,440 had just a couple seconds ago. I found the mumbo jumbo text 902 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,720 from the manual by the way. Oh yes please. 903 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,560 And what it says, so it says a former teacher of Gruntilda's, 904 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,240 this mysterious shaman was betrayed by his pupil for he 905 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,360 could prevent her from putting his magic to bad use. 906 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,800 The witch transformed Mumbo's face into a mask of horror to 907 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,880 remain that way until the day she's overthrown. 908 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,480 Well, I'd like to say that maybe he'll be OK, but I know there's 909 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,040 a sequel game which I've also played. 910 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,440 And it looks so iconic. So they have to find an excuse. 911 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,200 We can't put it no. Yeah, although, wait, so this 912 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,040 brings me to the thing I teased in my intro, which is I thought 913 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,920 I beat this game as a kid because I didn't believe in 914 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,000 watching credits. So I got to the end and I turned 915 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,200 it off and I thought I'd beat the game this time. 916 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,800 I watched the credits and realized Nope, just kidding, 917 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120 there's a final battle I've never seen. 918 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,440 Oh yeah. And you got to that. 919 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,480 And I was like, yeah, rare does that all the time, you know, 920 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,880 like Donkey Kong Country. You're like, I don't know. 921 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,280 That I didn't watch credits. I was like, I beat the game, I 922 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,480 got the credits, the end. Goodbye, turn it off. 923 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,960 So yeah, apparently thanks to you guys, I have officially 924 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,160 beaten this game the first time. No, no, no, no, wait. 925 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,000 Now wait. Did you 100% it? 926 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,720 No, I would have if I'd had two more days. 927 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,640 I I'm down like 12 jiggies and sorry, 12 notes and four 928 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,840 jiggies. Yeah, so I I got 100. 929 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,200 Percent it. Yeah, I did not 100% at this 930 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,680 time. Let's. 931 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,240 See, I got I got 100 a hundred Jiggies and 995 notes. 932 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,440 And I think I said either on your episode or we talked about 933 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,360 it previously another time, those five notes were driving me 934 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,160 nuts. I couldn't do it. 935 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,480 So I stopped. I just couldn't do it. 936 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,040 I just was like, I didn't want to look anything up you. 937 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,160 Have to start at the beginning every time and that's what makes 938 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,120 it really hard. Just Jiggies, you can go for it. 939 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,000 That's fine, Notes. It's real. 940 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,280 It's harder, yeah. And they were in the last last 941 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,240 World, which was much harder to get anyways. 942 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,120 Oh well, actually that's an interesting point. 943 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,680 Real quick, click clack. Would that last World, I didn't 944 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,600 recognize the music in it when I first got there. 945 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,000 I was like, did I never play this one? 946 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,000 No. The music is different in every 947 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,880 single season and so I didn't spend the same kind of time with 948 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,160 it. And that would be also too, 949 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,480 like, it's the same with just gaming in general around this 950 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,440 time and of that age when everyone's a bit younger and 951 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,280 stuff like, are you always getting to the end of the game? 952 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,680 No, not especially a game that is, you know, between 8 to 10 953 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,120 hours as a kid, you're gonna play over and over and over. 954 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,840 You're gonna start again. You're gonna, you know, it's not 955 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,960 always that way. Like, for me, I, I, I remember 956 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,280 beating this game a couple times. 957 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,400 But for the most part, it's those first few worlds that 958 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,480 really stand out. Yeah, of course. 959 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,040 And, and are and are great, just like the rest of them. 960 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,360 But like, that happens in Donkey Kong, that happens in Goldeneye 961 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,680 even, you know, like things like like, Oh yeah, I just keep 962 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,400 naming rare games, but you know what I mean? 963 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,520 As an example. Starfox 64 Starfox. 964 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,240 For. An area far more than you play 965 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:10,600 Area 6. Yeah. 966 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,440 Yes. And. 967 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,600 Yeah. So and to that end as well, 968 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,320 thinking about playing this as a kid, like Dave, you're talking 969 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,960 about like as an adult, as a parent, not necessarily having 970 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,560 the kind of time to throw into this. 971 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,960 I mean, if I played this as a kid, I probably would have loved 972 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,440 that. And I almost definitely would 973 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,160 have put hours and hours in because I'm very used to, you 974 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,960 know, you learn the idiosyncrasies you get over 975 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,600 whatever frustration points. Like I could sit here and go, 976 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,280 yeah, it's bad design or we've gotten better and this is the 977 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,240 best they could do or whatever else at the time. 978 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,720 But also, I was playing with a deadline for wanting to talk 979 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,320 about it here. So I also know that every time I 980 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,360 died and I lost 40 notes, 90 notes, whatever it is, it's 981 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,920 like, I just want to finish this. 982 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,400 And that is not the attitude you need for this game. 983 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:01,440 There are areas where I found, OK, this is just really sloppy. 984 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,880 Whatever controls or I'm upset about it, or I need to take this 985 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440 slower. I need to take a deep breath and 986 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,480 it works. And that is also a thing to 987 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,120 where we're all on here talking about games and we're like, all 988 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,040 right, the next one's this one, The next one's this one. 989 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,600 We almost have a, we've given ourselves assignments and 990 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,680 deadlines and so this is a game that is a 8 hour game, but it 991 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,640 takes 25 hours to make it an 8 hour game. 992 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,160 It's. One of those that's, yeah, yeah, 993 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,720 if, if you're, if you're doing it the, the quote UN quote 994 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:32,880 authentic way, like you're saying. 995 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,960 And in that way, yeah, you're, you're probably going to replay 996 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,840 a few things here and there. And that's just how it goes. 997 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,600 Like my my play through says that it took me 9 hours and I 998 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,080 think 45 minutes or something to do that. 999 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,520 That stops and starts. That's probably a couple safe 1000 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,640 states that I did here and there. 1001 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,520 So realistically that's probably closer to 11 or 12 would be my 1002 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,760 guess. But yeah, that's also more 1003 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,000 familiarity than let's say yourself Jeff, where you're 1004 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,400 didn't play it in the same way that I did grow enough that it 1005 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,640 makes a difference. The first like 3 worlds I 1006 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,480 breezed through as if they were just, you know, it's secondhand 1007 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,840 knowledge. Like it's just whatever. 1008 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,120 You know, yeah, you can all mock me and laugh at me and you 1009 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,600 should, but also it's my first time with them. 1010 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,480 And yeah, no, my timer is currently just shy of three 1011 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,200 hours. And I know that some of that is 1012 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,200 because I paused the game to make lunch one of the days. 1013 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,520 And that's how I know the pause music is so good because. 1014 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,840 At no point I. Even think of of stopping that, 1015 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,560 I was just like, hell yeah, I'm like dance around the kitchen, 1016 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,440 dude. That's great, dude. 1017 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,480 Yeah, it's excellent. It's funny because it sounds 1018 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,920 like it's almost like, you know, it's a ticking clock, kind of 1019 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,320 like, come on, get back to it. But I don't really want to. 1020 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,760 But it's not. Stressful. 1021 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,320 It's not a stressful. Act and having learned a little 1022 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,720 bit about banjo playing from some friends, I recognize this 1023 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,080 is actually not that. It's extremely chill. 1024 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,640 Yeah, because it's an actual banjo that they're playing, I 1025 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,160 think. Yeah. 1026 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,280 Or whether it's a real one or a synth 1. 1027 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,680 Like the the writing of it is meant to feel like it, right? 1028 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,280 Right. So before this playthrough, 1029 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,240 Jeff, had you gotten to have you had you played it at all or was 1030 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,800 it just like the basics, first world, that kind of thing? 1031 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,560 I think it was more basics like the. 1032 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,320 Opening a couple. Hours. 1033 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,360 Well, yeah, well, I'd mentioned on the on our, on our episode 1034 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,520 when we did the N64 retrospective that Sarah and a 1035 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,880 friend of ours did an all day playthrough of Banjo Tooie, 1036 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,280 right. That friend was the friend who 1037 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,040 had Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie. 1038 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,360 And so I played it at his house a few times, but just more of a 1039 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,800 like, oh, what's up with this? What's going on? 1040 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,200 Like, sure, you know, I'm goofing around a little bit 1041 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,800 while we're talking about other stuff. 1042 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,040 And so like, yeah, I've probably clocked if I've done a full hour 1043 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,880 total of Banjo Kazooie before I started playing it for this, 1044 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:52,040 that would be a surprise to me. I will say, having now played 1045 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:59,240 9:00-ish hours over a week and 9 hours in a day of Banjo Chewie, 1046 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,360 I strongly recommend the former. Because with a game. 1047 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,840 Like this, you get frustrated and mad at it and it's really 1048 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,960 good. Like Jeff saw me do this last 1049 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:10,800 night. I was like, you know what? 1050 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,120 Nope, we're walking away. We're putting it down. 1051 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,600 We're going to pick it up again in an hour. 1052 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,440 I just now is not the time. That did not occur to me at 16. 1053 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,240 Yep sure. Playing this for 9 hours 1054 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,480 straight in my house, yeah. Would not recommend. 1055 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,600 I can't play anything for 9 hours straight anymore. 1056 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,840 I can't do that. Well, who has 9 hours straight? 1057 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,720 But well, even if I did it. My my stream time for Banjo 1058 00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,360 Tooie I'm gonna be playing Banjo Kazooie this Friday. 1059 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,080 Banjo Tooie. Each play session was around 7 1060 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,960 hours. OK, so. 1061 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,240 Do what's your opinion? Do you agree with my it's better 1062 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,640 to play it a little bit at a time, or to sit down and play it 1063 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,480 all at once? It's hard to say because I'm at 1064 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,320 the point where I have both games pretty much entirely 1065 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,040 memorized, so it's just me navigating through it. 1066 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,640 Like I never get stuck. I never get, I never honestly 1067 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,720 miss notes, which could happen on Friday. 1068 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,800 I don't know, it's been a minute. 1069 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,840 I. Think we're gonna be loud now? 1070 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,280 Yeah, I said this was that job. Yeah. 1071 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,360 How? Could you do that now only? 1072 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,520 Worry about Rusty Bucket Bay maybe? 1073 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,360 Yeah. I feel like that's the only 1074 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,840 level that I'm like, but the rest now I'm inclined to. 1075 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,840 I don't know. I'm inclined to agree with 1076 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,120 Sarah. I think that like as someone who 1077 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,160 played it over 2 weeks, because I got the controller and knew we 1078 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,040 were going to do this now and so I had the runway far ahead. 1079 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,160 Like I played a couple hours every night and it was actually 1080 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,320 kind of really fun because it's a game that doesn't have 1081 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,520 dialogue and long cut scenes. And like a lot of that, I would 1082 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,360 sit on my couch playing it while my spouse Sarah would be on 1083 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,240 Horizon iPad or on her phone watching something or doing 1084 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:49,120 something, and then our dog would be cuddling with us on the 1085 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,320 couch. And it was a pretty chill way to 1086 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,920 play a game. Whereas other games that I'm 1087 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,760 playing that are more bombastic or have a lot of dialogue or 1088 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,200 cutscenes. It's kind of hard for us all to 1089 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,320 hang out in the same room without all wearing headphones. 1090 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,840 But this and there were sometimes I would still wear 1091 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,280 headphones, but it was easier to exist in the same space because 1092 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,320 of kind of how much lower key and old school it was. 1093 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,200 And that was kind of nice. And that also allowed me to kind 1094 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,160 of take my time and chill. But if I had to play this within 1095 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,760 a handful of days, I probably wouldn't have finished it. 1096 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,160 But because I was just slowly doing it, there wasn't any new 1097 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,160 game at the time that I was like like urgently wanting to play. 1098 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,760 I think I'd started the new Assassin's Creed at that time 1099 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,720 and I was enjoying it, but I wasn't so enraptured by it that 1100 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,560 I was like, OK, I can put it off for a little while. 1101 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,000 I'll play this game and also like I got the rush of nostalgia 1102 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,560 that I didn't think I was going to get because again, I think I 1103 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,320 rented this. I definitely didn't own it. 1104 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,040 I owned Goldeneye, I owned DK64I and I owned Mario 64. 1105 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,880 I think this one, I mean, I owned a lot more games than 1106 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,520 that, but I think I just I never owned this one and I definitely 1107 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,080 didn't own TUI. I'm pretty convinced I never 1108 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,200 beat Chewie. I might have played it, and so I 1109 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,600 did. It's definitely on my docket to 1110 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,160 also play the sequel because I know it's the favorite of many, 1111 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,480 especially folks on this call. But. 1112 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,240 Does Chewie also have a fake ending? 1113 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:06,600 Because I might not have beaten it either. 1114 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,680 I know I never beaten it for sure I know I haven't. 1115 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,400 Yeah, but I, I also have to say, like thinking on this, the that 1116 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,000 idea of spacing it out and I did put myself on a time crunch 1117 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000 here. I mean, a sure sign of that kind 1118 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,360 of frustration and everything was finding Clanker's Cavern was 1119 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160 just as much a frustration point for me. 1120 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,120 Where I'm like, I don't have the time for this. 1121 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,240 Where, where, where is it or what kind of thing? 1122 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,480 Where is when? Honestly, I was reminded of this 1123 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,000 because Matt was saying like, you know, they don't have 1124 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,840 anything else at the moment that they're playing. 1125 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,960 I'm playing through blueprints right now. 1126 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,040 I'm also playing 9 doors, 9 persons, 9 hours, whichever 1127 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,520 order it is, 999 on my DS. Like I love my favorite game of 1128 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,320 last year was Animal. Well, I love games that let me 1129 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,360 explore that let me get into wherever it is and the textures 1130 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,480 of the N64 blown up to uselessness notwithstanding. 1131 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,760 The fact of the matter is I love the idea of like a hub world 1132 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,720 where you kind of unlocking and going around. 1133 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:13,160 Give me that, give me that. I love that it's so good, but 1134 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,480 unlocking the unlocking a level in a completely different room 1135 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,120 than where it is and then having to find where that is in a very 1136 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,320 atypical design on a time crunch was so frustrating. 1137 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,920 So this is another time. I will say that I think DK 64 1138 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,440 had did it better in that I had a lot of fun unlocking things in 1139 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,120 the hub world there because you it's punishing some of it's hard 1140 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,600 and you get there and then you go into the level. 1141 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:45,400 I think that Banjo Kazooie has this perfect mix of showing you 1142 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,400 just a little bit too much or like you'll find something and 1143 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,440 be like, this has got to be a level, but I don't know where 1144 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,880 the puzzle piece is. Or you'll immediately find the 1145 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,560 puzzle and put in the pieces and then be like, but where the hell 1146 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,480 is that? Could be anywhere, I have no 1147 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,880 idea. It's going to take me an hour to 1148 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,680 figure it out. And I think that that 1149 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,600 frustration is something we don't need. 1150 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,040 Yeah, it's interesting. So. 1151 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,120 So we, I, I don't know, as of, as we're sitting here, I don't 1152 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,560 know which episode's coming out first. 1153 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,600 So just take this just we, we played Grunty's Revenge and 1154 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,040 Banjo pilots. We played the GBA games 1155 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,040 associated with Banjo Kazooie and Grunty's Revenge is 1156 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,960 essentially, you know, it's not the same game, but they are 1157 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,680 trying to recreate a 3D experience on the GBA in, in, in 1158 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,920 some ways. And that does a similar thing 1159 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,680 where you turn in your Jiggies or your notes and then it goes 1160 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,560 and shows you, hey, you've opened up, you know, the door to 1161 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,160 the next World and, and almost the exact same way. 1162 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,680 The difference with that one though is it's not as good of a 1163 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:50,200 game as this, but what it does right is maybe it's just because 1164 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,560 it's more 2D ish is that it literally the camera will follow 1165 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,240 you on the path that you should take to get like the fastest 1166 00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,240 path to get to that next World. And it and it works because just 1167 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,720 like the N64, like Jeff, you were just mentioning some of the 1168 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,320 textures and stuff because they're doing so much with that 1169 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,760 game on the GBA. It is kind of hard sometimes to 1170 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,480 tell. And they are also working with 1171 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,760 elevation which is hard to do on sort of a 2.5 D plane in that 1172 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,080 game that. Issues with perception on this 1173 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,240 one, the GBA 10. My God, yeah, if you think that 1174 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,680 it's hard to land a a a jump or something like, Oh my God, that 1175 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,720 game. Not that it's horrible, but it 1176 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:28,960 yeah. It's not a bad game. 1177 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,720 It's not a bad. Game, but they just can't it's 1178 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,440 just hard to do on on that hardware. 1179 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,280 So anyways, in comparison, within the same franchise, they 1180 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,400 found a better way to do it, but I think that's almost just 1181 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,400 because it's 2D. Maybe is the reason why. 1182 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,480 But I do understand that that like just needing to go and 1183 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,600 search for this door like to get to the next World is fun to go 1184 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,120 through new parts of the hub world, but I I understand 1185 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,520 because it's like well, I just want to get to the next one like 1186 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,160 I'm interested what's what's the next World take me there I'm 1187 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,600 having a good time. Why does it need to be a 1188 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,640 struggle? Well going through the hub world 1189 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,360 and taking a wrong turn also gives that metroidvania like 1190 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,560 thing of oh but what's that? You know, I found my first 1191 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,520 golden feather by overshooting the way to Clanker's Cavern and 1192 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,280 finding the piranhas and like, well, I'm, I don't care if it 1193 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,080 hurts me. I'm getting that I can survive 1194 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,840 one hit. I'll knock down this other guy 1195 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,520 and get my honeycomb back. That's fine. 1196 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,200 Yeah. But like, that sort of thing 1197 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,600 isn't as big of a worry for me, I think. 1198 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,880 But no, I, I there is, there is a great joy and a great need of 1199 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,160 like, no, I got to get there. I got to do it. 1200 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,120 I got to whatever. So. 1201 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,720 Yeah, yeah. I I I could see it, yeah. 1202 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:44,480 I'll be honest with you, exploring in Banjo Kazooie, DK 1203 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:50,120 64 and especially Banjo 2, E was probably 90% of my childhood and 1204 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,480 the other 10% being you know, school, family, church, like 1205 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,640 everything else like this, This is sleep yes Nope didn't matter 1206 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,480 no, there is no sleep. I and every time I come back to 1207 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,360 these games, I just do the same thing. 1208 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,680 I was looking at my screen. It's really funny, I I played 1209 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,440 conquer too and Conquer was like 8 hours straight and I just beat 1210 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,800 the game in one sitting. Yeah. 1211 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,440 Every time I get into these games, I do that and I just 1212 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,520 love. I get enamoured and like thrown 1213 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,480 into this world. I just absolutely love the 1214 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,640 charm. The charm is off the charts. 1215 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,440 That that's what keeps me going. Like if there is a frustrating 1216 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,760 moment, which as as a couple of you have said a couple times, 1217 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,280 like I, I get it, but I don't know. 1218 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880 I like even the later stages that I know I only played a 1219 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,920 couple times growing up. At least, you know, a couple 1220 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,760 being 3 maybe, and I didn't remember them as well as those 1221 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,160 first few. I'm just like, you know what, 1222 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,600 I'm just charming the fuck out by these, by this. 1223 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,600 And it's the music that we've talked about. 1224 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,480 It's, it's all the things that we've already talked about that 1225 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:59,240 sort of add up to that package that makes it just fun, even in 1226 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,120 the most frustrating moment. And I don't know, I just, I, I 1227 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,600 just love it. It may be it part it part of 1228 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,640 it's nostalgia, but also part of it is when you compare games 1229 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:16,840 like this to the general vibe and feel of what a lot of larger 1230 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,480 AAA games are now is that they're so dark, they're so 1231 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,800 serious. Like this is it's a different 1232 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,440 time. I get it. 1233 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,240 It's it's over 25 years ago at this point, but at least we have 1234 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,800 this and it's accessible where it's NSO whether you find a 1235 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,840 physical copy or it's a ROM or whatever it is. 1236 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:39,000 These kinds of games, I think they they almost hit more and at 1237 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,760 times like this when we sort of need it. 1238 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,880 And like, you know, I was probably playing this game the 1239 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,120 most sleep deprived I've ever been in my entire life. 1240 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,160 And that includes nights where I'd pull all nighters in college 1241 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,120 and university, you know, and I still was, was powering through 1242 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,840 playing Guitar Hero for 17 hours straight, probably with buddies. 1243 01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,400 This I was, I was playing sleeping half an hour over the 1244 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,480 course of 24 hours. And still it kept me going. 1245 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,360 It was fun. It was, it's colorful, it's 1246 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,680 friendly, all the things we've been saying. 1247 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,360 And like, there's just frustrate me all you want, I still want to 1248 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,720 be in it, you know? I mean, yeah, no, this this game 1249 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,960 came out in 1998 when there was a lot of attitude and. 1250 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,680 Edge, yes, the 90s as well. You're right, yeah. 1251 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,120 Yeah. And so the fact that this was a 1252 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,080 game that like, OK, let me throw in a comparison. 1253 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,120 Let's console war for a second. Let's do it. 1254 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,720 This was around the time I'm going to look up when Spyro the 1255 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:37,320 Dragon first came out because that is out of all the 1256 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,400 collectathons, I would say that is the closest, like same year, 1257 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,520 1998. OK, cool. 1258 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,120 Yep. Like that's the sort of thing 1259 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,960 where no one's stealing from each other's notes. 1260 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,480 They're reading the same notes. But that's just that's art. 1261 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,560 But The thing is, I love, I think I would say I prefer the 1262 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,200 controls and draw distance and you know, having a Spyro having 1263 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,480 things pop up on me and Banjo is an unfortunate artifact at the 1264 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,480 N64. But The thing is, I get way more 1265 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,360 annoyed with all the like, saving all the Dragons and 1266 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,840 everything they have to say and how much it slows down and 1267 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,120 cinematics on it. It's very slow and this is 1268 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,480 snappy and this is as frustrating as it can get. 1269 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,600 And trust me, I have many more expletives to say about the 1270 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,680 camera. Oh my God. 1271 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,720 Let's do it cuz, you know, you know what The thing is, the 1272 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,920 camera is part of all of these games, especially it is for the 1273 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,920 64, like the 64 can do so well with its controller, like we've 1274 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,000 talked about and be the controller for the particular 1275 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,120 game and be really, you know, hard to emulate in any other 1276 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:48,400 way, modern or not. The camera is, is part of the 1277 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,440 gameplay. It just is. 1278 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,040 You have to manage it whether you like it or not, whether it 1279 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,520 works for you or not. What what's up Jeff? 1280 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,600 What's what's up with the camera? 1281 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,280 I think, I think more than anything, if I had to pick a 1282 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,840 singular thing of like I can change this or I can yell at 1283 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,240 somebody and they can feel bad about it or whatever. 1284 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,760 I could go to their home and flip over all of their 1285 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,600 furniture. Like I don't wish I'll on them, 1286 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,080 but I just want weirdness for them regardless. 1287 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,160 You press the R button to move the camera directly behind 1288 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,000 Banjo. This is great. 1289 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,440 This aligns you. This allows you to maybe push a 1290 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,480 little forward to you hold on to that, and you maneuver. 1291 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,400 There are so many areas where you're too close to a wall for 1292 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,200 it to do that. And so now you have to run 1293 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,280 towards the camera and you can be ambushed, or there can be, 1294 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,280 and all they have to do is remove the texture of the wall 1295 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,080 and put the camera behind it. But they are so insistent. 1296 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,840 The amount of times that I have jumped somewhere, done a 1297 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,400 precarious platforming thing, done swimming, done whatever 1298 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,280 else. In my limited experience with 1299 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,560 this game, I've already had enough times where I have died, 1300 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,600 nearly died, failed, and had to start again over and over 1301 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,240 because something got in the way or wouldn't let me look forward. 1302 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,920 Everything else is details interesting. 1303 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,040 So yes. I want to hear your thoughts, 1304 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,200 Sarah. I want to hear your thoughts 1305 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,240 right now, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1306 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,640 So I again, I I find being good at the camera part of being good 1307 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,840 at this kind of N64 collect a thon and I, I. 1308 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,080 Not even just the specific game, yeah. 1309 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:31,640 Yes, and the specific game too. On the Switch, I was using the 1310 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,720 the right stick to use the camera, which was a totally 1311 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,960 different experience. It wasn't centering it behind 1312 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,080 me, but it was the opposite of how I use twin sticks on modern 1313 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,120 games. So you're basically the camera 1314 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,960 and if you move it right, it it moves the camera to the right. 1315 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,000 So kind of actually left, and to Jeff's point about playing other 1316 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,120 games, I'm playing Baldersgate right now. 1317 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,520 So we went to go play Baldersgate and I kept messing 1318 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,480 up the camera because I wasn't using twin sticks, I was using 1319 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,400 Banjo Kazooie logic. And I'm used to that kind of 1320 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,960 camera control. Like again, of course there's a 1321 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:13,560 bit of get good to it and it's I think the amount of I know where 1322 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,560 it's supposed to go and then it just goes. 1323 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,800 But I don't do that. OK, but why though? 1324 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,160 I don't do that. There's I could just go over 1325 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:29,640 here and say no, no ball. Ball, I mean, I think part of it 1326 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,160 also for me like so I agree with everything Dave was saying about 1327 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,840 this being comfort food and I don't I didn't even play it as 1328 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,840 much as Dave did, but games like this, I think if they hit the 1329 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,680 right vibe, all of the other frustrations fall away, even if 1330 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,400 you are actively frustrated in the moment. 1331 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,600 But the thing about the camera, I think specifically and why I 1332 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,560 understand why Jeff gets so frustrated is because Jeff has 1333 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,320 already said that he played more PlayStation games of this era 1334 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,040 than in 64 games. Whereas every game I played on 1335 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,320 this era in this era was in this N64. 1336 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,120 And this same stupid camera was in Donkey Kong 64 and Banjo 1337 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,000 Tooie and Mario 64 and and the Legend of Zelda games. 1338 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,360 And so once you like, it's not like Jeff has to master this 1339 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,840 full stop because he hasn't played a ton of these kinds of 1340 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,360 like he's played them, but he didn't play them as much as we 1341 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,320 did. Whereas I I played Mario 64 more 1342 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,680 times than I can possibly count. And so I just know how to deal 1343 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,120 with this camera. Is it good? 1344 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,720 No, by no means, but I'm just used to it. 1345 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,600 It's secondhand knowledge. It's muscle memory in the same 1346 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,920 way that I could probably play Corona trigger blindfolded at 1347 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,760 this point and still beat it. You know, it's just. 1348 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,400 Support doesn't frustrate me as much. 1349 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,680 Well, I I think part of that also is that Mario 64's layout 1350 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,120 is very is much more open than this game. 1351 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,440 The game has corners and walls much more than Mario does, 1352 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,880 right? You're going inside all the time 1353 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,760 in this, right? And the second you go inside. 1354 01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,080 With with the camera cameras like. 1355 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,320 Above you and then to the right. And and like, and to Jeff's 1356 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,240 point too, it's the the wall that's there is just always 1357 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,320 there on most of these games that they don't, they're not 1358 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,080 able to program that out is what it is. 1359 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,280 Right, whereas now it's like, Oh well, the camera turns and whips 1360 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,320 behind the character, OK, we're just going to eliminate it. 1361 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,240 They just if it's there, it's there. 1362 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,520 If they built that wall, that wall exists. 1363 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,439 That's it. That's what it is, right? 1364 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,880 And and in some areas where it is a fixed camera, top down 1365 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,840 view, whatever. Like, of course, like we're in a 1366 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,840 specific kind of spot, like you can see the whole room, but it's 1367 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,160 a top down. Like getting the treasure in 1368 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:34,160 Captain Blubbo's ship going down there. 1369 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,680 OK, fine. A little frustrating, but I see 1370 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,120 what you're trying to do. Yeah, let me maneuver it and do 1371 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:39,840 that. Like, right. 1372 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,160 Those are specifics. That's great. 1373 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,160 That's fine. It's interesting to me that you 1374 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,800 said you use the R button a lot to focus around banjo because I 1375 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,040 never do that. I think I very rarely did it 1376 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,000 too. I very. 1377 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,080 Rarely swimming or flying are the only applications I ever use 1378 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,399 the R button for anything. And that felt very PlayStation. 1379 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,439 Yeah, when you said that, when you said that I was like someone 1380 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:02,880 who plays, I was. Thinking that too. 1381 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,800 Yeah, I mean, that's fair. It's a. 1382 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,680 Controller logic, yeah. And I think also part of it is 1383 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,319 like. So I recently played, although 1384 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,880 not so recently now Time is a Lake replayed Sonic Adventure, 1385 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,240 which is another game where people claim to hate the camera, 1386 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,080 but I I never had a problem with the camera and like the camera 1387 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,560 is bad in that game full stop. Like I love that game, but the. 1388 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,240 Camera is bad. It's worth the banjo. 1389 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,840 But like but a great but because I knew the game so well, again, 1390 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,720 it's I'm with Sonic Adventure like you are with Banjo. 1391 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,240 You guys are with Banjo. I think once you know something 1392 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,720 so well, second nature, it just even inconveniences don't 1393 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,319 register as inconveniences. They probably still are. 1394 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,800 And I think that's what's really fascinating. 1395 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,279 And like I So for the record, on the record, I've never played 1396 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,960 any of the guess games and they're getting a remaster and 1397 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,560 so I'm excited to eventually play them. 1398 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,000 But I can imagine that depending on how well they've remapped or 1399 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,680 adjusted things like this happened to me with the Spy 1400 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,600 Reignited trilogy. I liked it but I burned out 1401 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,840 after the first game because some of some of the things core 1402 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,640 to that game. It doesn't matter how pretty you 1403 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,160 make it look, it's still frustrating and annoying. 1404 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,280 Same with the the insane trilogy. 1405 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,840 Right. Like, I love the Crash Bandicoot 1406 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,320 games, I grew up playing them, but there was something about 1407 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,920 still running at the camera and like the timing of the jumps and 1408 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,560 like. I hate the running at the camera 1409 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:22,120 thing. I can't. 1410 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,280 My mind has never been able to. I can't. 1411 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,000 I don't know. And so they designed. 1412 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,520 That for those are specific stages and they designed the 1413 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,240 challenge for that timing. But to your point about Spyro, 1414 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,360 in the Reignite trilogy, they actually put an accessibility 1415 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,560 feature for where the camera will auto follow you. 1416 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,720 And I only found this because I put my 7 year old nephew on that 1417 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,440 game and he just could not twin stick. 1418 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,840 And I was like, you know what Internet? 1419 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,000 I wonder if we found a salute. Oh, I just go do do boop. 1420 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,880 Hey, see, see if you can play the game now, kiddo. 1421 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,360 Much better. Yeah. 1422 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,200 That's. Great, and that's great And so 1423 01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:56,560 one of those things where I think some of some of the reason 1424 01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,120 why I wanted to get the replica and 64 controllers because some 1425 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,440 of the control for me is less about how good the game controls 1426 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,600 and more about my muscle memory. That's clearly still existed. 1427 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,280 Because again, the friction points that Jeff hit, I 1428 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,600 absolutely hit as well. And though I was able to save 1429 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,440 state my way through some of them, you cannot save state your 1430 01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:18,680 way through the swim. You can, but it's like it's 1431 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,800 still not super helpful. Like for example, in Rusty 1432 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,160 Bucket Bay, there's a Jinjo that you are expected to get early 1433 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,160 because if he's your last, if he's the last one, you have to 1434 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,520 get out and you you so when you. Go back to get the puzzle piece. 1435 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,360 Right. And so there are for those who 1436 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,200 may not know, in every stage there are 5 Jinjos. 1437 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,440 When you get the 5th Jinjo, the puzzle piece, the jiggy shoots 1438 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:44,840 up from that Jinjo and you grab it. 1439 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:48,880 This jingo is underwater under a get through a hole in the gate 1440 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,160 and you lose air in this oily water faster. 1441 01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:55,760 And so they pressure like in the guides pressure you to not leave 1442 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,400 him last because then you'll have to get the jiggy. 1443 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,920 Also. I had to save state inch by inch 1444 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,360 my way through that to get it because I just couldn't go like 1445 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:09,480 I couldn't get it. That's was so I was so mad doing 1446 01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:10,880 it. I was cursing the whole time. 1447 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,840 The minute I was done with it, it was like my mind was wiped. 1448 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,160 Like I just because of how how I feel about this game and the, 1449 01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:22,000 the, the vibe of the game, I just couldn't stay angry. 1450 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,200 Yeah, yeah, Now it's as as a visual thing. 1451 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,560 What we're watching on video right now honestly is actually 1452 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,600 right about where I am in the game. 1453 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,600 I literally just picked up that jiggy nice. 1454 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:38,280 But that kind of narrow winding path maneuvering, not a problem. 1455 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,520 Love that. And even with a single stick and 1456 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,000 with the amount of sensitivity that the stick has, like if 1457 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,000 you're trying to aim specifically shooting eggs, good 1458 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,080 luck. There is like a little a little. 1459 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,680 I've completely overshot. What are their? 1460 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,680 Sensical directions and I'm in a different world. 1461 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,080 And I'm in a different world kind of thing like that, that 1462 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,160 those are the little like that can't just be Jeff, you don't 1463 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,800 know N64. But there are absolutely no but. 1464 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,600 And to everyone's point, like everyone else on this call, I 1465 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,600 have the least amount of nostalgic muscle memory to this. 1466 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,160 Sure. Like I have played through 1467 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,560 quirky 3D worlds. I have played through, I have 1468 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,440 played through the growing pains of three-dimensional 1469 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:27,360 platforming. And these are just specifics to 1470 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,960 rare and to the N64. For sure, totally. 1471 01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:40,720 Jiggy, you have so much love for this franchise and stuff like is 1472 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,280 there something in like, I know Tui is like your game, like Tui 1473 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,240 is the one that that's like that's your favorite of all 1474 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,880 time. What's the thing that stands out 1475 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,880 like to like in this particular game? 1476 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,080 Is there something different about this to Tui that's like, 1477 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:59,160 oh, not that it does it better, but that you feel like there's 1478 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,960 something more like not more. I don't know. 1479 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,080 I don't I'm trying to find the word. 1480 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,520 I'm exhausted. I'll, I'll tell you, I know what 1481 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,160 you're saying. Like significant, that sets it 1482 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,040 apart. Sets it apart from the other 1483 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,440 like is there something? It's a lot more balanced. 1484 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,760 I think the thing about Banjo Kazooie that separates it over 2 1485 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,000 E is the fact that every move you have in Kazooie has a 1486 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:26,560 definitive point to it. There is a specific reason you 1487 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,520 have that move and you can use it and it utilizes it throughout 1488 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,280 the game like fairly well. Whereas in Tui you get a bunch 1489 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,160 of different moves like fire eggs, like use fire eggs for 1490 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,640 like a specific switch and then you don't really need to use 1491 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,960 fire eggs anymore. It's cool you have it, but it's 1492 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,640 just they just tacked on a lot of different things. 1493 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,520 There's some moves that are like great additions, but I felt like 1494 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:48,880 Kazooie is just much more balanced. 1495 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,320 It's also much more condensed as far as like collecting. 1496 01:14:53,400 --> 01:15:00,040 It's more collect a thon focus than Banjo Tui is and I I don't 1497 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,000 know that I necessarily like that more or less. 1498 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:09,520 I'd like them both but they are quite different gameplay wise 1499 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,240 and gameplay wise I just prefer TUI. 1500 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,280 I think it does a lot of things that it's just smoother gameplay 1501 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:19,160 wise like swimming. I I doubt Jeff would have an 1502 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,840 issue with swimming in Banjo Tui as opposed to Banjo Kazooie. 1503 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,520 After what I've learned in Kazooie. 1504 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,080 Well, it's. After, but it's different. 1505 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,480 It it's much smoother, it's much more responsive. 1506 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,680 It feels a lot better than Kazooie where it's like you 1507 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,040 have, so just an example, you have the B button, you press the 1508 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,160 B button and you use Kazooie's wings and you do like a wide, 1509 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,400 you know, whatever you're like effectively you're widespread. 1510 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,560 Like stroke? The big stroke, you're kind, 1511 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,560 you're doing. And then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1512 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,800 And then you hold, you hold the A and you do like a little doggy 1513 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,840 paddle sort of a thing or a little bare paddle, I guess. 1514 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,480 In Banja tree, in the, in the bear, you hold both buttons 1515 01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:58,360 together and you can do them at the same time and it makes you 1516 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,760 faster and the control is much more precise. 1517 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,840 It, it basically negates collecting Jinjos and anything 1518 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,720 underwater. It makes it so much easier 1519 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,240 there. In fact, there's an entire 1520 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:13,040 underwater level and they get rid of oxygen in that level. 1521 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,160 So it's like all your Greg. I hate underwater levels. 1522 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,240 I hate them. I absolutely despise them. 1523 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,760 Banjo Tooie has the only underwater level in the history 1524 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,640 of gaming that I actually enjoy. This is. 1525 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,600 Legitimately and I cannot wait to see it. 1526 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,200 Yes. And 64 collect a thon has to 1527 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,120 have a punishing water level. It's like the rule. 1528 01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:36,600 Absolutely. Absolutely. 1529 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,640 But I will say that game and and this included, you go underwater 1530 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,760 and the music is great. It's great. 1531 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,760 Every game. Every game just sort of has like 1532 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,200 that cool cave vibe, if that's even the right, you know what, 1533 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,280 like there's just, it's that. Space Caverns of Mystery. 1534 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,360 Yeah, I want to weigh in on that difference between this and 1535 01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:58,960 Banjo Chewie thing real quick too. 1536 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,080 I I really think it's about the moves like what you were saying, 1537 01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,040 Jiggy, but like the cadence in which you get them in this is so 1538 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,320 rewarding because you beat a level, you've just figured out a 1539 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,880 thing and then there's two new, there's three new moves to get 1540 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,760 and two new moves to get. And it keeps it interesting for 1541 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,120 those first couple of levels. But also not like, oh, man, am I 1542 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,240 going to have to win? I've learned so many because 1543 01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,040 what is by the 4th level, you have all of them. 1544 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,080 Yeah. And then it's figuring out how 1545 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:29,200 to use those in creative ways to find jiggies that aren't 1546 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,600 broadcast to. You they do a great job with the 1547 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,200 anti peace kind of idea of in each of these worlds, giving you 1548 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,360 the 2-3 whatever moves and then like, well, I'm gonna try that 1549 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:44,600 out and they give it to you like it's you get ample time to play. 1550 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it. 1551 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:49,320 I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. 1552 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,320 I was gonna say it culminates in the in the boss fight too. 1553 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,760 The final boss fight utilizes all of your moves at some point 1554 01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,640 in the battle and Banjo Atui really doesn't in fact, we 1555 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:07,360 actually use moves differently sort of that that we have, which 1556 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,200 is actually that happened in DK 64 as well. 1557 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,080 Yes, it did. When you get to the key roll 1558 01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,840 fight, you use the moves in such a creative way and it was just 1559 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,600 because someone, I think it was someone from the banjo team came 1560 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,720 in like help them make that boss fight and dipped and didn't like 1561 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,040 wasn't involved in any other part of the game, but just was 1562 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,680 like, Oh yeah, I hope you make this K rule boss fight made it. 1563 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:35,400 It was like amazing the the way you use the moves so creative, 1564 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,080 so different. And it's like the rest of the 1565 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,760 game. You never use those moves like 1566 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,960 that and it's so sad because it is awesome. 1567 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,000 I don't think Tui's quite as extreme as DK 64 in that aspect, 1568 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:53,280 but you do use different moves in different ways at the end. 1569 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:57,000 Whereas Kazooie, you're using it straight up how you would use it 1570 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,240 in the levels you're progressing. 1571 01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,760 You're just getting better at using them. 1572 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,080 And then the final boss fight just culminates in Test your 1573 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:07,800 Skills and it gives you if you get 100% of it. 1574 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,680 Or I guess you don't technically have to get 100% of everything, 1575 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,080 but get almost everything and you can get a health bonus to 1576 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,440 assist. Nice. 1577 01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,560 And some and some item bonuses actually too, so. 1578 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,760 Yeah, I think I got those and I was and I was only 5 notes away. 1579 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,560 So you don't have to get everything. 1580 01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,520 I'm sure it was even just close. Less than that, yeah. 1581 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:28,480 That's pretty. Close. 1582 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,000 Speaking of item bonuses, we haven't talked about Cheeto at 1583 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,480 all yet. That's oh. 1584 01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,560 Yeah, Cheeto. OK, let me say this. 1585 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:43,480 I have spent hours upon hours looking at Cheeto's model trying 1586 01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:46,720 to decipher the runic language on his page. 1587 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:51,440 I know that's extra, but I it means nothing. 1588 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,960 OK, I just want to say that out loud here. 1589 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,880 I have like put it in like I've looked up several different 1590 01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,560 runic languages I've tried. It means nothing. 1591 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,400 It's gibberish. OK, damn, really? 1592 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,320 I feel. Like you should write well, are 1593 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,920 you the right person to write a cipher to figure out what it 1594 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,040 could mean? Well, I'm definitely putting in 1595 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:15,960 more time than probably anyone else on the planet, so I'm 1596 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,280 willing to bet. Anyone's the expert? 1597 01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,400 Yeah, but yeah, sorry. Why? 1598 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,840 Why I brought up Cheeto is I was a kid who wasn't allowed to have 1599 01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,600 a game shark. My parents thought it was going 1600 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,720 to like break the game or something. 1601 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,520 I don't really know. I never had cheat codes, I never 1602 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,480 had things like that. But this was the first game I 1603 01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:38,480 ever had a thing in the game that told me what it kind of 1604 01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:39,720 thought was. Cheating that. 1605 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,120 Broke the game in a cool way. I was like, whoa, what do you 1606 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,440 mean go enter red feathers on this thing and I get more. 1607 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,000 Wow. Yes. 1608 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,080 Yeah. I was also the person that never 1609 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:58,120 had guides, never had game short like nothing like I just it 1610 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,920 doesn't it doesn't I I don't know that that I I need it 1611 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,600 because I played this game so much, but I do love the idea 1612 01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,240 that it's there it's fantastic yeah I. 1613 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:08,960 Really. Did did you guys do stop and 1614 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,280 swap? No I didn't do stop and swap. 1615 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,760 No one has done stop and swap like ever. 1616 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,680 No, I think I. I'm aware of it. 1617 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:18,000 I've. Never. 1618 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,720 Oh my gosh let me close my door. My dog is like freaking out. 1619 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:27,160 This is a stop and swap. It's the greatest gaming mystery 1620 01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,520 of all time. OK, the. 1621 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,600 Feature that never fully was. Yes, the feature that never 1622 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,000 fully was and they sort of like utilized it on the Xbox version. 1623 01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:41,240 So essentially what Rare wanted to do was get this feature. 1624 01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,000 They they always planned on making a sequel to Banjo Kazooie 1625 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,280 and they also wanted this interconnectivity between all 1626 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,720 their like 3D platformer games. The DK 64 was a part of that. 1627 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:59,680 Basically the N64 RAM could retain 20 seconds of memory 1628 01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,640 after you yank out the cartridge. 1629 01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,080 So their intention was you set it up, you go through this menu, 1630 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,080 you initialize it, RIP out the cartridge, put another game 1631 01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,440 cartridge in and you could get items from like Banjo Kazooie 1632 01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:16,280 into DK 64, Banjo Tooie into Banjo Kazooie. 1633 01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,960 Like you could do this like reverse connectivity thing. 1634 01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,880 Sounds amazing, right? Nintendo sounds. 1635 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,640 Like it did not work ever. Nintendo was like hell no, 1636 01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:30,000 that's not going to work, especially after like the first 1637 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,960 generation of N64. They did revisions on the 1638 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,440 console and that RAM time that they were relying on shot down 1639 01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:39,400 to like 4 seconds or something and they're like this is going 1640 01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:40,920 to cause people to break their consoles. 1641 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:45,280 Please don't please don't do this OK, so it just lived in 1642 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,960 this thing like Oh yeah, that was an idea and the game after 1643 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:54,040 you 100% it teases you about stop and swap and it shows like 1644 01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,440 a little video, which is that what you're watching right now 1645 01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,280 I'm. Just watching someone trying to 1646 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,160 do it I think is what I find. Mumbo has like photographs and 1647 01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,200 they play little videos showing these giant eggs with the 1648 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,040 question marks on them. And like little kid me, it was 1649 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:19,720 just like, yeah, I had to hold it for that long and went Fast 1650 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,680 forward in time. So it's like nothing happened. 1651 01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,400 Nothing became of that. People like got into the code of 1652 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,120 the game, figured out that there were passcodes that you enter in 1653 01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:33,960 the sandcastle that can unlock the stop and swap sections or 1654 01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,760 segments. So essentially they expand a 1655 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,680 small portion of the world, like different levels, different 1656 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,200 levels. So they expand the world and you 1657 01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:49,600 can go in and you, it gets this fan, this epic fanfare of music. 1658 01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:53,320 Well, that's not real. What is this? 1659 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,840 That's not true. I don't know what you're 1660 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,000 watching, right? Now I don't know. 1661 01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,440 It's just stop and swap. I don't know. 1662 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:01,480 History stop, swap. It's telling you. 1663 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,840 Yeah, that would be amazing. But you get this epic fanfare 1664 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,320 and then you can go collect the big eggs and you can collect the 1665 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,080 big ice key that's in Waz's cave in Freeze, Easy peak. 1666 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,040 There's like a little section behind the Jinjo where you can 1667 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,400 see this key spinning. That's the only thing you can 1668 01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,680 actually like physically see in the game without without 1669 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:21,960 knowing. And you're just like, what's 1670 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,480 that key? So you can collect it And then 1671 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,760 you get a menu that says stop and swap and it shows all the 1672 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,240 eggs and the key. And so you just have to enter 1673 01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,920 the codes in the in the sandcastle. 1674 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,920 So if you like, you need to get 100% and then you need to do it. 1675 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,240 That's the mark of getting like true Banjo 100%. 1676 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,440 And then Chewy, since that idea was just totally botched, 1677 01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:44,480 they're just like, OK, we're just going to like incorporate 1678 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,160 these mystery eggs in a different way. 1679 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,720 And so you can like collect a few of them and you get like 1680 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,040 special moves and power ups and stuff, which is cool. 1681 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,680 But the Kazooie like mythos of stop and swap is epic and it 1682 01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,000 just keeps growing over time because they keep finding more 1683 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,480 games that were like, oh, I was going to implement it in. 1684 01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,840 So DK 64 had like a vending machine originally in DKS tree 1685 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,600 house where it'd be like it has the banjo Kazooie like Sprite 1686 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,680 held icon on it and you could like I I don't know what you 1687 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,000 could do with it, but it'd be epic. 1688 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,480 It's so cool to find that stuff and rarely was. 1689 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,200 Very much about that. Kind of like putting Easter 1690 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,680 eggs, and in this case literally between their games. 1691 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,520 So the schoolyard rumor of it all, Like screw mew under the 1692 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:31,160 truck. This. 1693 01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,120 Oh that. I was wondering how you got back 1694 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:33,880 there. This thing? 1695 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:34,640 Yeah. Yeah. 1696 01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:36,280 It's the only thing you actually can't get to. 1697 01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:37,240 That's what. Yeah, you're right. 1698 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,400 That's right. I forgot about that. 1699 01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,640 It's funny too, like I the first time I encountered naughty the 1700 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,440 the the Beaver and like had to go into his house to get I was 1701 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:50,120 like, oh, it's the same one from the Donkey Kong Country games 1702 01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:51,040 like. I just. 1703 01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,200 I love that those characters have crossover and that like I 1704 01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,760 was sad that the squirrel you encounter is not conquer, but I 1705 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,680 understand why. But like, but there's a vibe, 1706 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,040 right? He overeats, he's goofy, right? 1707 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,360 Like there's still a vibe, but like like the fact that there 1708 01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:10,960 were specific characters from Donkey Kong in this game too. 1709 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,880 Like I just I love that they hint at that. 1710 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,480 But you can find little things in Goldeneye or Perfect Dark 1711 01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,600 that relate to other games. Like I love that they have that 1712 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,160 connected universe. I think it it's one of the 1713 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,840 strength. I'm pretty sure even in Sea of 1714 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,960 Thieves, like there are little nods to stuff. 1715 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:28,800 Yes. And still like yeah, cool. 1716 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,240 I just, I love. Like there's nods to this game 1717 01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:35,120 because of the you know they have a literally a pirate themed 1718 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,520 world and right like I can't remember what it is 1719 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,000 specifically. But you guys ever watched watch 1720 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,680 It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia? 1721 01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,320 Oh yeah, sure. There's a there's a meme of 1722 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:47,800 Charlie like doing the whole like red line and it's like 1723 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,200 that. So I did that with mapping the 1724 01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,280 rear universe. If you've never seen my video, 1725 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,280 it's just me going through all the games, like finding all 1726 01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,040 these Easter eggs in like connectivity between them. 1727 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,720 Yeah, it, it took a long time. This is epic. 1728 01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,520 It's some. Of my favorite stuff in gaming, 1729 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,000 like connected universes, like it's why I love the Alan Wake 1730 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,600 games and control and the remedy. 1731 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,280 Like my God, I just I love when games acknowledge. 1732 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,240 I like when things acknowledge other things. 1733 01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,920 It's really simple. But like, even as big of a deal 1734 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,800 as it was when like in Avengers when Iron Man says to Hawkeye 1735 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,360 clench up Legolas, like Legolas exists. 1736 01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:29,200 In this world, right reference. Right reference. 1737 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,480 They said the thing like I genuinely do love that. 1738 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:35,720 And I think like my it was a little very early instilled in 1739 01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,520 me with the crossover here from all the rare titles and like the 1740 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,680 fact that they still do it. And if they ever do make a banjo 1741 01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:47,640 three or something else or whatever, like they will honor 1742 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,440 what came before, right. They did it in like a very 1743 01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:53,560 tongue in cheek way with nuts and bolts and it was very like 1744 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,800 fan antagonistic a little bit, but like they were fresh 1745 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,240 frustrated at that point, right. And like I think they you always 1746 01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,760 will find the spirit of rare in their games, good, bad or 1747 01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,560 indifferent. And I really do love that that 1748 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,600 they really do put everything that they are as a studio and 1749 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,800 what came before into each next thing. 1750 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:17,040 Yeah, and I think that's part of the reason why people miss this 1751 01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,600 era and these games, and not just because they're well made 1752 01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,640 games, but there's just that extra bit of, you know, love 1753 01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,920 that is very easy but very easily recognizable in their 1754 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,080 games. Whether it is something that's 1755 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,800 like perfect dark, which is more serious and literally darker 1756 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,720 and, you know, it's a shooter, there's still personality in 1757 01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,960 there that you don't you don't quite get. 1758 01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,360 And even other games in this era, there's something about 1759 01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,480 what Rare has put together that just works. 1760 01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,400 And I that that is what what this particular game and, and, 1761 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,960 and Tui as well, but I played that a far less, but that's what 1762 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,720 this particular game has always been for me is that personality 1763 01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,640 and vibe and why I have that music on in the house at least 1764 01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,760 once a week. Like those things. 1765 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,840 Yes, it's nostalgia. You know, Matt, you mentioned 1766 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,800 that more than a few times and it's, it absolutely all part of 1767 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,200 why we even sit and talk about these shows in general and these 1768 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,560 games in general. Our podcast is like, you know, 1769 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,960 you just you just want to be in that space again. 1770 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,560 You want to be in that feeling again and that vibe and that 1771 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:25,280 time and every aspect of this game screams that to me. 1772 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,200 It it's it's picking up the little gold feathers that we 1773 01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,240 just saw the little little chime that it plays. 1774 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,560 It's it's Kazooie doing the the ground pounds. 1775 01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,440 It's just, it's the voices like we were talking about. 1776 01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:40,920 I, I'll, I'll sit and listen to them talk no problem. 1777 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,240 But no text. That's fine. 1778 01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,720 I'm good with that. And you know, the, the whole 1779 01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:50,000 like interconnectivity in a game like Banjo, I feel like Banjo is 1780 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:55,600 a good starting point for that sure, because it's so family 1781 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,680 friendly. It's so like every kid played 1782 01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,120 it. And because of Banjo, because of 1783 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:05,200 the references I saw, and to another, probably even a larger 1784 01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,280 extent, Diddy Kong Racing, because that kind of extends 1785 01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,840 into Banjo and Conquer. I immediately wanted to play 1786 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,920 those other titles because of that. 1787 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,680 So this introduced like going into Banjo Tooie. 1788 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,200 Oh, what's that poster on the wall? 1789 01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,520 Jet Force Gemini? That looks scary to me. 1790 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,400 Maybe I should try it someday, you know? 1791 01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:29,240 And it did, but it expands, it helps expand their own universe 1792 01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:32,240 and their audience like simultaneously, which is super 1793 01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,720 cool to me. Yeah, we're a studio that has 1794 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,080 design sensibilities that work throughout. 1795 01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,600 And yeah, there's been plenty of genres that I got my in through 1796 01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,400 I franchise a series of studio that I really liked that they 1797 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,400 carried those design ideas into everything they did. 1798 01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,160 So it's like, yeah, sure, I'll try this, beat them up. 1799 01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,720 I'll try this horror game, I'll try this certain kind of puzzle 1800 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:58,560 game, whatever it is. And yeah, Rare, definitely, 1801 01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,680 especially in the N64 era that that was them. 1802 01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,560 Fun fact if you look at this bottles picture it does puzzle 1803 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,280 challenges but when you first do it he actually refers to you as 1804 01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:14,800 barrel boy and he says OK barrel boy or some or or Kazooie refers 1805 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,880 to it as barrel boy and seemingly it was supposed to 1806 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,560 originally be a Donkey Kong picture frame. 1807 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:23,560 That would be. Disappointing. 1808 01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,840 It's horribly disappointing that it's bottles now, but yeah, 1809 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:26,760 whatever. Or. 1810 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,520 Like or like a picture of the whole DK crew sort of together. 1811 01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,280 Like even if you had like the intro or something, it would 1812 01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:32,040 have been awesome. Yeah, that'd. 1813 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,600 Be cool. Like they're all friends. 1814 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,520 I was like watching these chop and swap eggs. 1815 01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,480 I'm like, those are all spots. I was like there should be 1816 01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:41,400 something. Here, yes, and there it. 1817 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,400 Is like my mind. Is absolutely blown y'all. 1818 01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:50,520 Yes, I do also want to quickly comment on Dave's nostalgia. 1819 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:54,200 So as of when we're recording this, just yesterday they shadow 1820 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,120 dropped an Oblivion remaster. It's they remade Oblivion, one 1821 01:31:58,120 --> 01:31:59,400 of my favorite Elder Scrolls games. 1822 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,360 And while it's not super related to this per SE, to the nostalgia 1823 01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:07,800 side, like I got into a minor social media TIF because I made 1824 01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,680 a meme about ignoring Claire obscure Expedition 33 for 1825 01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,120 Oblivion because like, this is a game I grew up playing that I 1826 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,760 love and it caught some heat. There was a misunderstanding. 1827 01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,680 It's cool now, it's fine. But what's funny to me is like, 1828 01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,400 it was a joke because it was a joke, but it's a joke because 1829 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,400 it's praying on my nostalgia. I booted up Oblivion last night 1830 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,920 and got through the sewers and played that first area. 1831 01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,320 There is no way to explain how nostalgia is a warm blanket when 1832 01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,200 you're playing it unless you're experiencing it, and that's what 1833 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,040 I had with Banjo Kazooie. Also, replaying Oblivion last 1834 01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,960 night, I only played like an hour or an hour and a half, but 1835 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:50,160 it like, it like energized me in a way that I can't even explain 1836 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,840 because it just felt, I just felt warm. 1837 01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:57,400 I felt like I was home in a way that only certain games can do. 1838 01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,000 It's whenever I boot up the Mass Effect trilogy, I get the same 1839 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,200 thing, right? You remember all the thing, like 1840 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,880 all of the moments of your life that you played this game if 1841 01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:08,440 you've played it many times. And I think that's what you 1842 01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:12,440 can't really translate from Banjo Kazooie unless you feel it 1843 01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,200 right, because it's one of those kinds of games. 1844 01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:18,240 And like, while I get why people were like, oh, but this is the 1845 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,680 re release of a giant studio that's been screwing up lately 1846 01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:25,400 and this new, you know, this new RPG from a small French studio, 1847 01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:26,920 It's a big deal. You shouldn't ignore it. 1848 01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:28,440 And I totally agree with all that. 1849 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,560 I think Bethesda has been screwing up left and right. 1850 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,360 And like, I don't want to reward them for their behavior, but 1851 01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:37,640 they also did a pretty great remake of a game I loved and I 1852 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,840 wanted to play it. It was nothing against Clara 1853 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,240 Obscura. I'm still going to buy that 1854 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,040 game. I love turn based RPGs and I 1855 01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,200 love modern takes on turn based RPGs and I'm excited to see how 1856 01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,120 they do it. It was literally a joke. 1857 01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:53,480 Praying on my own nostalgia and this this, this indescribable 1858 01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:56,840 feeling of returning to something you love and it 1859 01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:01,600 immediately feeling right in a way that new games may give you 1860 01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,600 a new experience that also can feel as great, but it's a 1861 01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,240 different kind of great. It's not the same thing, right? 1862 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:12,080 I Super Mario RPG is a game I returned to in times of tragedy. 1863 01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,320 Just is when I got laid off from a job, I played through it. 1864 01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:18,240 When I lost a family member, I played through it, right? 1865 01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,920 I replayed it recently and because I had all those memories 1866 01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,120 tied to it when I replayed, when I played the remake for the 1867 01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,400 first time, it was like I was replaying the classic because 1868 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,040 I'm just so tied to that music, that experience, those moments. 1869 01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,680 And so like, I think that's what Banjo Kazooie carries more and 1870 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,000 I'd be curious to play Banjo Tooie now because I'm definitely 1871 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,800 less familiar with that game, if it'll transitively give me that 1872 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,560 feeling because it's the same characters, it's the same style, 1873 01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,800 or if it'll be a whole different kind of experience. 1874 01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,920 But I that's what I love most about revisiting it and blasting 1875 01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,120 through it in two weeks and like getting every jiggy and getting 1876 01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,440 every note and getting those power ups and beating the game. 1877 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,160 By the way, screw that boss fight. 1878 01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,720 I hate that boss fight against Rentilda. 1879 01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,680 It is such a pain in the ass but. 1880 01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,760 With save states it was nothing. Yes, correct. 1881 01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,040 Wait till you play the GBA one. Wait till you play the GBA one. 1882 01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,520 If you do, it is oh. We're gonna. 1883 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,000 We're gonna. Yeah, they they, they try to do 1884 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,480 the same thing. And it is. 1885 01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:15,880 Yeah. If you don't think this one 1886 01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:19,760 works, oh boy. I went in and I I played some of 1887 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,320 Kirko mods. Oh yeah. 1888 01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:27,160 And I did the Jiggies of Time and I played through that on 1889 01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,200 stream and essentially the Gruntilde fight is the same, 1890 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:36,720 except for some reason it's sort of broken and a little glitchy 1891 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,920 sometimes. So what kept happening happening 1892 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,840 to me was I would get through all the phases and I'd get to 1893 01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,040 the point where you have to like shoot the eggs into the Jinjo 1894 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:46,840 statues to some of the Jinjinator. 1895 01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,000 And if they just, they wouldn't go in, like I'd be sitting there 1896 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:55,040 like shooting the eggs. And I died like 20 times. 1897 01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,760 But you know, I don't quit and I don't run and I will be Hokage. 1898 01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,360 So that's how I approach it. You will be. 1899 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,640 I I believe that. Believe it. 1900 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:12,760 My my question now goes to to to Jeff, are you are you going to 1901 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,560 continue? How hard do you think you might 1902 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,240 get or? I I told you I've got it paused, 1903 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:20,760 that's if I was done with that I'd have turned it off and said 1904 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,720 good riddance. I did say I. 1905 01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,400 Released Clanker. Let us never speak of this 1906 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,840 again, because that was how I felt in the moment. 1907 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,280 But fair nails. But I also want to take some 1908 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,560 time to actually play the game in a way where I can learn these 1909 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,760 ways of moving around, where I can give it that time. 1910 01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,440 And I want to see if I still feel the same. 1911 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,200 I'll report back. Also watching this footage right 1912 01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:43,600 now. I've been thinking it the whole 1913 01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,160 time. You can't tell me that those 1914 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,240 mumbo skulls don't look like handsome Squidward from a 1915 01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:48,360 distance. They do. 1916 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,840 They do, absolutely, without a doubt. 1917 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,000 Wow, now that you say that, absolutely. 1918 01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,120 Yeah, yeah. Again, without the benefit of 1919 01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,320 nostalgia. And I definitely have those, 1920 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,720 like weird Polygon things for my youth where I go. 1921 01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,600 What did I think that was? Yeah. 1922 01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,840 I. Didn't, I didn't understand Kate 1923 01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:10,120 Sith's profile picture or his, you know, whatever in Fantasy 7 1924 01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,560 until like a few years ago, Like I didn't get your ankle right 1925 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:16,360 kind of thing. So this I have no nostalgia. 1926 01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,680 So they look at it, I go, is that handsome Squidward? 1927 01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,560 Camping is that. Is that? 1928 01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,920 Oh no, he's hot. Oh wow, that. 1929 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:29,400 Sounded just like a good. Job that was excellent is but 1930 01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:36,000 before we before we all go to bed, I feel like we have to hear 1931 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:40,200 a little bit from Kazooie and what Kazooie thinks of our 1932 01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,080 thoughts on the game. I don't know if I don't know if 1933 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,200 Kazooie's around at all anywhere. 1934 01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,080 Wow. Thank you. 1935 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,480 Thank you for that insight. Yeah, that's good to know. 1936 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,240 Well, there you go, everybody. We had Kazooie with. 1937 01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,920 Us, you didn't have to curse that much, but you know she's 1938 01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,480 what she says. You know, it's it's, it's OK. 1939 01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:03,680 She's. Not under contract anymore. 1940 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,920 I remember, I remember when I found Kazooie. 1941 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:12,360 Kazooie was a girl. I was like, whoa, yeah, there's 1942 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:18,800 like, no, there's no like I was. Like whoa, I really felt. 1943 01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:23,880 Woke. I How 90. 1998. 1944 01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:29,360 I told a nine year old that has played through a couple of 1945 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:35,080 Metroid games that Samus was female and how it's sort of 1946 01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,400 revealed and things like that. And he was just like, just look 1947 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,600 like what someone with a weapon is a woman? 1948 01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,160 Like that's basically what the look was. 1949 01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,040 I was like. Oh my God, My nephew plays Smash 1950 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,360 Bros and he played a Samus. And I was like, I was like, 1951 01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,040 yeah, Samus is a girl. He's like, no. 1952 01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,520 Well, and on the flip side, our nephew is convinced that Tails 1953 01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,360 is a girl. I mean, I can fair. 1954 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,560 Yeah, I get it. Very hard. 1955 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,280 I mean boys, so too. Tails kind of has a has a voice 1956 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,440 in some like newer yeah content I guess, whereas for. 1957 01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,120 Us and each tales is literally voiced by a woman in but. 1958 01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:15,120 It's not to be a child, That's right. 1959 01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,040 Yeah. It's meant to be a child, right? 1960 01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:19,160 Right. That's funny. 1961 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,800 Bart Simpson was also a woman, yeah. 1962 01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,240 Exactly this is. Yeah, it's true. 1963 01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,480 Yeah. I have to tell how I got my 1964 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,680 Banjo cartridge really quick just because it's it's 1965 01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:38,040 legendary. As a kid, the PS2 I think had 1966 01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,040 just come out OK and I had played Banjo Kazooie at my 1967 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:45,280 friends, but I didn't own it. My friend got his PS2 and they 1968 01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:48,880 wanted they wanted money and we were just like too young and too 1969 01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,720 stupid to know like understand money. 1970 01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:55,120 And so he told me he would sell me his Banjo Kazooie cartridge 1971 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,800 and I asked him how much and he said a dollar. 1972 01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,760 And so I went over and I gave him a dollar and he gave me this 1973 01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,200 cartridge. And you have it to this day. 1974 01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,080 I actually don't. I do have a cartridge. 1975 01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:08,840 It's in the back, but I had to reacquire it. 1976 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,120 That's a sad story, but it was funny. 1977 01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:14,240 His name was Dante. Shout out to Dante, and he had 1978 01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:19,800 it in big like Sharpie on it. Dante was one of those, so I 1979 01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,440 just had this big cartridge that said someone else's name on it. 1980 01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:27,040 It was awesome. But the video playing reminded 1981 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,600 me before we wrap up, I do have to say that I love the 1982 01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:33,080 transformations in this game. They none of them are not they 1983 01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:34,920 are all adorable. I don't know why I was going 1984 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,040 with no with double negatives, but like the bumblebee, the 1985 01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,920 alligator, the all of them they're. 1986 01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,640 I love the alligator. I love the alligator, Yeah. 1987 01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,240 I would sounds you. Know he's the best one cuz he 1988 01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:45,680 can. I love that. 1989 01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,560 Little mini game. Yes, mini games fun too. 1990 01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,800 Yeah, sorry, Jeff. We're just seeing more of them. 1991 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,520 Yeah, I was like, I haven't seen all of them, but I have no 1992 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,440 misses yet and I'm looking forward to seeing more. 1993 01:40:56,040 --> 01:41:00,040 Yeah, they, they, they just find fun ways to implement them, 1994 01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,960 right? Like, you know, it's, it's just 1995 01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,600 another way to add some variety to a game that already has, in 1996 01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,360 my opinion, a decent amount of that right. 1997 01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,920 Again, something else they tried to do in Grunty's Revenge and 1998 01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,360 they do a little bit different with it, but and they take ideas 1999 01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,920 from Tui as well, but I don't know the, the, the slight and 2000 01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:17,240 jiggy we're talking about a little bit. 2001 01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:22,600 The slightly more simple approach to this game is a very 2002 01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:26,720 welcoming part of it too, that if you want to start with a game 2003 01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:30,480 similar to this or in this genre, it's either this or 2004 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:32,720 Donkey Kong, I would say. But maybe even this one, cause 2005 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:37,320 'cause I think it starts less overwhelming than what Donkey 2006 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:41,600 Kong 64 starts with and and continues to be and, and maybe 2007 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,280 it's not quite as long, but I don't know, that's just my from 2008 01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,760 my experience playing the two somewhat close together. 2009 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,960 Doesn't say doesn't mean one's better than the other, but I. 2010 01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:52,880 Don't know, I did Donkey Kong first. 2011 01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,320 I I feel like that's I don't know. 2012 01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,320 I appreciated Banjo more because it was like Donkey Kong, which 2013 01:41:58,520 --> 01:41:59,880 it would probably just be the reverse. 2014 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,520 I don't know. Yeah. 2015 01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,280 But I it definitely made me like Tui more because I played Donkey 2016 01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,840 Kong 1st and I I if I had to rank them I would actually go 2017 01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:15,400 Tui DK Kazooie just personally. OK, yeah, I would say I I think 2018 01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,880 that Donkey Kong is a more accessible starting place 2019 01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:20,160 because of what I said at the beginning about it telegraphing 2020 01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:21,680 where you need to go and what you need to. 2021 01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,680 Do that's that's. In a more real way, whereas this 2022 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:29,040 game you learn what the language of it is and where things can be 2023 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,200 hidden. But I I think it's harder to 2024 01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,400 figure out as a kid on your first play. 2025 01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:35,640 Through with as a kid as stupid. There's no way. 2026 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,680 Only as a kid though, definitely. 2027 01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:38,840 Made a few years. Definitely not. 2028 01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,240 Definitely has nothing to do with the the now, yeah. 2029 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,800 Lateral movement. I do also like that this game, 2030 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,600 the transformations like many times you had to go outside the 2031 01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,320 stage transformed because that breaks video game logic. 2032 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:51,760 At this point in time. Right. 2033 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,240 Like you would never think like I can only use the power up in 2034 01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,040 the stage I. Mean, but the way this he walks, 2035 01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:57,200 I love it. He's like, I love this. 2036 01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,080 Little waddle like a Corky. Yeah, basically. 2037 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,880 It is a Corky. Little bumble butt I think this. 2038 01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:08,080 Game broke a lot of like expectations we had built based 2039 01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,120 on game design and let you like kind of see outside the wall a 2040 01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,640 little bit in a way that many more games would do after this. 2041 01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,920 And, and I think it was kind of a pioneer in that way too. 2042 01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:21,320 Yeah, and and early 3D, you know, is, is awkward. 2043 01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,680 This generation is awkward. It is say it all the time. 2044 01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:26,680 And, and I think Matt, maybe Jeff, you guys, you know, you 2045 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,240 both of you mentioned it earlier, but like to to pull off 2046 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:35,800 a great game during such an awkward time and not have the 2047 01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:40,080 game feel awkward is success in itself. 2048 01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,160 I think. Yeah, it doesn't have to be 2049 01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,840 perfect. But I mean, if you you pull that 2050 01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:48,440 off and it's and it's, it's impressive, I think. 2051 01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,240 And that's this, that's Donkey Kong. 2052 01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,520 That's a number of games that we've mentioned over the last 2053 01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,000 little while, so. I think it should be said to 2054 01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,720 like. Going back to this, it holds up 2055 01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,840 pretty well even even graphically like. 2056 01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:04,000 Yeah, yeah. It just the charm is still 2057 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,800 there, the gameplay's solid. Like regardless, I think 2058 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,320 everyone has to kind of acknowledge that Banjo did way 2059 01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,280 more right than it did wrong, regardless of how you feel about 2060 01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:15,320 it. It's. 2061 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,000 What it did wrong will haunt me, but I agree. 2062 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,840 Yeah, I mean, it's what we said in the N64 episode, right? 2063 01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:28,840 The the polygons that were stylized and cartoony will hold 2064 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,880 up way longer than anything that was quote UN quote real. 2065 01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:37,800 Jeff and I on sister podcast Flashback 64 played Goldeneye 2066 01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:41,320 for it, and as much as I love that game, it holds up terribly. 2067 01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:45,280 It looks awful because they were going for realism, this game. 2068 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,640 And and yes, the Switch is doing a little bit of Zhujing, but not 2069 01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,640 very much. It still looks great because 2070 01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:56,600 it's cartoony, it's blocky, it's very precise in its design. 2071 01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,760 Whereas games that were meant to look real quote UN quote at this 2072 01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,760 time have aged like sour milk. Yeah, that that's me currently 2073 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,560 playing through Perfect Dark where it came out a few years 2074 01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,000 after this. It's trying to do a lot more 2075 01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,680 than Goldeneye does. But to me, so far in the first 2076 01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:15,600 half of the game that I've gotten to, I was like, this is 2077 01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:20,280 extra muddy and extra dark because of what they are doing 2078 01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,120 with it and has the expansion pack and they're trying to do 2079 01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:24,760 even more. And it's like doing more. 2080 01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:29,360 Maybe wasn't what it needed, but I I know there's there's more to 2081 01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:32,120 it than just simply like, hey, this is a texture. 2082 01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:36,520 But this still, whether it came out the same year as perfect 2083 01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,040 dark or golden eye or whether it it didn't, you're right that 2084 01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:43,640 that stylized approach works. The the it's called cartoony. 2085 01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,040 Call it whatever you want to call it, It just works. 2086 01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,480 Even Mario 64 works like that because they're not trying to be 2087 01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:51,480 real people. And then we get to make fun of 2088 01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:55,680 that in Mario Odyssey when we see the Mario next to the real 2089 01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,880 people in that one city where you can take over real people 2090 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:02,120 with your hat, which was a problem in my opinion, but it's 2091 01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:03,800 OK. It's so weird. 2092 01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:09,120 And you know, I think this also shows rares evolution on the 2093 01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:16,160 console because graphically, if you look at Mario, OK, so let's 2094 01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,240 say first 3D platformer on the 64 and that's what it's known 2095 01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,160 for. So let's compare Apples to 2096 01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:25,760 apples Mario. He's he's segmented, right? 2097 01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:32,520 It's it's cylinder, cylinder circle, essentially Banjo's not 2098 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,040 like that. Banjo's connected. 2099 01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:40,480 It all stretches and it's animated, it pops, it expands, 2100 01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:46,320 it's it's way more cartoony. And you know, as you progressed 2101 01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,800 through that, I think they just got better and better at it. 2102 01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:53,280 One could argue Conquer probably looks the best. 2103 01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:58,960 Though I could also argue 2E2E looks the best because it does 2104 01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,640 support widescreen, so suck it. Oh, does it? 2105 01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,600 Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it does indeed. 2106 01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:04,800 That's awesome. That's I didn't know. 2107 01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,480 That it's the first game I played where I was like, Oh my 2108 01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:09,320 gosh, my shadow looks like my shadow. 2109 01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:11,920 That was the. That was it. 2110 01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,440 That was a big moment for me. I've said that so many times, 2111 01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:16,120 but it's so true. Yeah, perfectly. 2112 01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:19,480 I had that that option and the options I was like, whoa, this 2113 01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:21,280 can be white. I was like, yeah, I don't 2114 01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,840 remember that at the time because hell no, I didn't have 2115 01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,680 anything that was white screen when that was there was a kid 2116 01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:26,720 that. Had white. 2117 01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,000 Screen. Yeah, exactly. 2118 01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:30,920 I didn't have Internet. I don't know. 2119 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:32,520 What this is? But I know I want it. 2120 01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:34,400 Yeah, we didn't have Internet until I was. 2121 01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:37,720 In high school, like we had, we had red and green diodes. 2122 01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:38,560 No blue. What? 2123 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,920 What, you think we're Rockefellers and they loved it? 2124 01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,680 I I lived a a sheltered life everyone not really I was I was 2125 01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,160 OK they also. Remember being a kid being like, 2126 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,280 What's the difference between mono and stereo I. 2127 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,280 Was. Like I probably want mono. 2128 01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,040 That sounds cooler. I thought the same thing, for 2129 01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,360 what it's worth. So I so I think I said this on a 2130 01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:06,160 different Funny Games episode, but the way I learned the 2131 01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,760 difference between mono and stereo and everything else. 2132 01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,400 So the first I might have known beforehand, but the definitive 2133 01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:16,560 was a game called Shipwreckers on the PS1 that the options menu 2134 01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:19,120 full of character game's not great, but full of character. 2135 01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:24,520 It's a pirate game. And so the options menu, the 2136 01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,160 sound was a crow's nest. And so Mana was one pirate, 2137 01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,800 Stereo was 2 pirates, Dolby was three pirates. 2138 01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,800 And they would each say R when they got in there. 2139 01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:37,400 And so on top of each other, so Dolby, they actually sounded 2140 01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:39,720 like crowded because one of them was getting knocked out of it. 2141 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:44,480 So just like R like sounds like that's awesome. 2142 01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:47,520 That's a great, great way to do it. 2143 01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,320 Yeah, that's. That's a great way to do it that 2144 01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:50,400 would have made so much more sense. 2145 01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,520 Exactly. It's unequivocal. 2146 01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,960 And they say video games don't teach us anything that is. 2147 01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,840 Flat out lie. No, my parents. 2148 01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,320 My parents are wrong. Video games are great. 2149 01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,320 It's not a phase. I learned something from video 2150 01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:05,520 games. OK, Yeah, it's. 2151 01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,920 Definitely not a phase though. I'll have to tell them that 2152 01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,600 tomorrow when I see them. It's still not a phase, it's. 2153 01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:11,400 Still not a phase. Still not a phase. 2154 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:15,400 Mom still not a phase. Mom, Joe, I do still play games. 2155 01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,640 Deal with it. Yes, my son will also play 2156 01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:19,600 games. Deal with it. 2157 01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:22,440 Whether whether he likes it or not, he's playing games. 2158 01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,600 OK, everybody, let's let's get some rest. 2159 01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,400 Thank you very much everyone for being here. 2160 01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,120 Fun and games, podcasts out there. 2161 01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:33,280 Matt, Jeff, Sarah, where can everybody find that fantastic 2162 01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,400 work that you continue to do? Sure. 2163 01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:38,800 Go ahead, Jeff. Well, Fun and games can be found 2164 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,040 as part of the certain POV network or you could go to 2165 01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,280 funandgamespod.com to find all of our episodes. 2166 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:47,360 We are fun and games pod across the social media that we're on, 2167 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,520 which is Blue Sky, Instagram and Tumblr. 2168 01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,280 Technically, we are if you are interested in what we do, we are 2169 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:56,440 a conversation and interview video game podcast with an 2170 01:49:56,440 --> 01:49:59,800 optimistic view of gaming from the idea that every game is 2171 01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,120 somebody's favorite and no one can play anyone. 2172 01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:03,920 No one can play every game that's out there. 2173 01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,400 So I loved us to share our experiences and we have a series 2174 01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:10,000 called Side Quests with different hosts talking about 2175 01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:11,920 the game they love and why they love it. 2176 01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:15,720 Different hosts every episode. You can find me and my opinions 2177 01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,840 on things across those same social media platforms at Jeff 2178 01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,360 Makes Noise. Jeff, Geoff. 2179 01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,880 For me, you can find me at djstormagdon.com for the stuff I 2180 01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,440 do outside of fun and games. I also have a podcast called 2181 01:50:28,440 --> 01:50:30,640 Reignite, which is currently playing through the Dragon Age 2182 01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:32,440 series. We debuted as a Mass Effect 2183 01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:34,120 podcast, playing through the Mass Effect series. 2184 01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:37,760 All through the lens of playing as these characters that you 2185 01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,200 create and making choices as if we would make them. 2186 01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:43,000 And more importantly, especially in Mass Effect, which aliens we 2187 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,400 would kiss because those are the most important questions to 2188 01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,480 answer. We are currently playing through 2189 01:50:47,480 --> 01:50:51,120 Dragon Age 2 as a recording and really enjoying revisiting that 2190 01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:53,160 game and you can find that as well. 2191 01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,160 I host that with the incredible Frankie Bradley Lestrange. 2192 01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,960 If you want to hear my thoughts and memes on the Internet, best 2193 01:50:59,960 --> 01:51:02,600 place is Blue Sky. I'm DJ stormageddon.com on Blue 2194 01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,960 Sky as well. You can also e-mail all three of 2195 01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:08,960 us at our first names at funnygamespod.com. 2196 01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:12,600 Fancy URL, fun stuff. And yeah, that's the best place 2197 01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,880 to interact with me online. And you can find me at Sarah 2198 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,000 Moon and on Blue Sky. Nice. 2199 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,760 You can also find my voice acting stuff on jeffmona.com. 2200 01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:24,040 Hey there we. Go. 2201 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:25,600 It's good stuff. You want to check it out. 2202 01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,640 I mean, yeah, Jeff was able to hook us. 2203 01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:29,240 Up. We're going to. 2204 01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:30,880 Take Zoe. So yeah, it's true. 2205 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,680 That's just. That's just 'cause I like birds. 2206 01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:33,880 I. Said that's just networking. 2207 01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,080 Really, that's just networking really. 2208 01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,320 I was going to say it, it was, it was actually Kazooie. 2209 01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:42,120 More like nest working. Damn it, I wish I could just 2210 01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:46,200 leave it there, but. But I guess I got to ask Jiggy 2211 01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:47,880 what he's up to. Jiggy, how's it going man? 2212 01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,640 I guess. Oh, it's going, you know, 2213 01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:52,680 dropping things left and right, sometimes to lots of fan wear 2214 01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,160 fanfare and sometimes to little fanfare. 2215 01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:58,920 Just depends. Just I just dropped a super cool 2216 01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:03,560 video about Super Smash Brothers Melee going through every single 2217 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:08,480 stage and looking for secrets and kind of moving around with a 2218 01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:11,640 free Cam tool. It's pretty cool street. 2219 01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:14,000 I'm actually going to be streaming Banjo Kazooie myself. 2220 01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,160 This episode's going to be airing like after that's done, 2221 01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,120 because I imagine I'm going to be, I imagine I'm going to 2222 01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:21,560 attempt to beat this in one sitting. 2223 01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,400 Maybe I'll break it into two depending on how I'm feeling. 2224 01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,160 But I, I got a couple Celsius stacked up in the fridge. 2225 01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,480 I'm like, you know what? Let's let's make it a good 2226 01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:30,680 night. Let's do it. 2227 01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:32,360 I. I just learned what a Celsius 2228 01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,120 was a couple days ago. I had no idea. 2229 01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:37,280 You're so old. Yes, yes I am. 2230 01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,680 I'm so sheltered in the last. I don't. 2231 01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:43,120 I don't want to stop my drink, those I don't feel as bad. 2232 01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:46,400 Bowl or something, I don't feel as bad so especially the green 2233 01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,880 tea ones I trick myself into thinking that's healthy. 2234 01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:51,600 Of course, of course. It's all, it's all healthy. 2235 01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,440 It's all carbonated in a can. It's healthy. 2236 01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:57,120 That's, that's yes, as long as it tastes healthy, it must be. 2237 01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,520 That's it. I should say that I am doing 2238 01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:04,320 Mambo May, so I'm gonna be doing a lot of rare content coming up. 2239 01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:05,440 Nice, nice. So. 2240 01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:07,320 And just for the record. Add this to it. 2241 01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,200 There you go, just another just. Another wait. 2242 01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:10,520 This is part of it. This is part of it. 2243 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:12,960 You just didn't know it. I didn't know it at the time, 2244 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:14,720 no. Honored to be part of Mumbo Bay. 2245 01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,120 Same same. I celebrate it every year. 2246 01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:20,280 Oh, that's even May. I didn't. 2247 01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:24,520 Sign up for this. There's a there's a picture in 2248 01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:25,920 the discord for you guys, it's great. 2249 01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:27,880 Oh, I saw it. It's haunted. 2250 01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,040 Yeah, why would you curse us with this knowledge? 2251 01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,680 Why? Well, I was supposed to go to 2252 01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:33,600 sleep. Jiggy. 2253 01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,200 What the damn it? Nightmares. 2254 01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:37,520 Forever. You got to stay up a little bit 2255 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:38,880 because it's switch pre-order night. 2256 01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,160 Yeah, I know it's it's only a little. 2257 01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:44,200 I'm a sucker and I'll get it eventually, but I but. 2258 01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:46,280 Now's you're almost there. Now's not the time. 2259 01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:47,960 No, it's. Not just got to know, it's not, 2260 01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:50,920 it's just a matter of could you get the pre-order if you wanted 2261 01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:53,360 to like don't aren't you curious to find out? 2262 01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:55,400 You got. To know you, got to know you. 2263 01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:58,600 Got to know. What am I going to do with it? 2264 01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,600 I just brag about it. It's breaking rights. 2265 01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:04,840 But I got it and I gave it to someone else and I didn't take 2266 01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,080 it like. I mean, yeah. 2267 01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:08,920 Sell. Sell it to a friend for a 2268 01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,480 dollar. Yeah, that's the obvious answer. 2269 01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:15,600 The best story ever. Your friend will love you 2270 01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,640 forever. You'll be forever that person 2271 01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:21,520 that they talk about randomly on a podcast like 20 years later. 2272 01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,600 And that's really why we do anything in this world. 100% 2273 01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,240 yeah. And and I know this is usually 2274 01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:31,040 said as like a joke, but like in this economy, so you know, 2275 01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:39,400 that's so that's tricky. Look back on YouTube and of 2276 01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:43,760 course, remember 64 right across social media, which is just 2277 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:48,000 pretty much blue sky and and Instagram and every once in a 2278 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:51,040 while on Tiktok, if I decide to remember that I have it and post 2279 01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:54,080 silly videos and shorts. So there as well. 2280 01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:57,720 And of course, I remember 64 show is where you'll find 2281 01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,920 everything and also on YouTube, so you can find the video 2282 01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,720 version of this some gameplay. Sometimes I'll put up those 2283 01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,960 silly videos also on YouTube and I stream every once in a while. 2284 01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:11,680 So keep an eye on social media for when, because unlike Jiggy, 2285 01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,760 I do not have the energy or the Celsius or the time to be able 2286 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,600 to do it on a regular schedule. So every once in a while I'll 2287 01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,800 pick an evening and say, hey, it's 8:00 PM, it's 9:00 PM, I'm 2288 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:24,200 going to play Perfect Dark, I'm going to play Banjo, whatever it 2289 01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:25,880 might be. So keep an eye on that. 2290 01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:30,880 And of course, patreon.com/remember 64 show and 2291 01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:34,840 get all the episodes early, this one included, and the follow up, 2292 01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:38,720 which will also have the other Banjo Kazooie GBA games as well. 2293 01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,600 So really good discussion on those as well and some extra 2294 01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:44,040 content. So check that out, but that's 2295 01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,760 pretty much it. Everyone, thank you for coming 2296 01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:48,560 with us this far on this journey. 2297 01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:52,560 Getting to 64 and being able to just talk about this game and 2298 01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,680 this series of games feels great. 2299 01:55:55,960 --> 01:56:00,400 I'm happy that I randomly decided to do this on some 2300 01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:03,400 January evening and said, you know what, I'm gonna see if I 2301 01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:07,720 can do anything with the the N64 and, and here we are so great 2302 01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:10,680 people to do it with great games to play and more to come. 2303 01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,080 So thank you very much everyone for joining us and thank you for 2304 01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,360 having us. Of of course, it's honestly 2305 01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:19,160 could not have had a better crew to put this together, so thank 2306 01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:20,720 you very much. You know what the best thing 2307 01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:22,240 about this is? Yes. 2308 01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:26,560 No, this is this is level 64. We're going through Banjo. 2309 01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,840 We still have so many heavy hitters to go through. 2310 01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,480 I know, I know. I mean, we, we've, we've put out 2311 01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,640 so many. Like I, I'm trying to think I 2312 01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,520 always forget what, what that game was. 2313 01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,040 What is the game where you're running around? 2314 01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:43,360 It's like GTA3 body harvest. Body harvest, yeah. 2315 01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,840 We put out like Body Harvest, you know, but it's like you 2316 01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:48,600 haven't even talked about Ocarina of Time yet. 2317 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,640 Nope. Like we talked about so many 2318 01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,120 games. It feels like so long, and now 2319 01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:54,080 we're on 64 and we get to Banjo. Yeah. 2320 01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:57,360 It's like we talked about so many games before Banjo, which 2321 01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:58,880 is like one of the most popular games. 2322 01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:02,000 This is awesome. There's there's so much to play 2323 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,960 in so much stuff that me specifically, I never played 2324 01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:08,040 because I had the typical games. So there's a lot to explore and 2325 01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,840 still more more to play in. Shogi pretty soon. 2326 01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,080 Yeah, that's right. We we have and we're gonna be 2327 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:15,360 playing some some mods and stuff. 2328 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:19,520 That's part of the plan for this game specifically. 2329 01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:22,280 So keep an eye on that. But yeah. 2330 01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:25,920 Stay tuned and rate the podcast. Rate the podcast There it is. 2331 01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,120 Jiggy remembers Jiggy. Remembers sometimes. 2332 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,200 Yeah. Oh, and then that like subscribe 2333 01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:31,360 thing, people do that too, right? 2334 01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:32,000 So. Yeah, yeah. 2335 01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,080 Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes. 2336 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,760 OK, everyone, thank you very much for listening and watching. 2337 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,960 We'll see you next time on Remember 64. 2338 01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:47,840 Remember 64 is part of the Super Pod podcast network. 2339 01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,280 Oh yeah. We are teamed up with a whole 2340 01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:53,040 bunch of awesome people that some you may have heard on 2341 01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:56,320 remember 64 already, but there's a bunch of different great 2342 01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:01,080 gaming shows anywhere from fine time to bar silence to retro 2343 01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:04,400 wild lands. You can of course find the Super 2344 01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:07,520 Pod Saga on there. Press B to cancel all of these 2345 01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:10,920 awesome shows. That's we're just here to talk 2346 01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,040 about great times with games, share their thoughts with you, 2347 01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:18,400 our experiences with you. Check us out Superpod Network on 2348 01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:23,040 your podcast app of choice and superpodnetwork.com where you 2349 01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:26,920 can find all our shows, blog posts, videos and more.