1 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,080 Welcome to Remember 64, where this week, well, we're simply 2 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,800 going on a quest. Hello everyone, welcome to the 3 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,240 show. And hi if you're returning, 4 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,080 listener, reviewer and welcome if this is your first time 5 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,200 joining us on Remember 64, here is where we play and discuss the 6 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,840 good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between throughout 7 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,680 the N64's library. My name is David Pitrangelo, not 8 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Brian, but I am wielding elements of power throughout my 9 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,880 journey in this strange medieval like world. 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,560 I am not fending off monsters, instead I am doing all I can to 11 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,680 fend off totally bad vibes this games gets online. 12 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:09,240 I mean come on guys, really Jiggy look back here once again. 13 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Hello, how are you? Oh, I'm doing fantastic. 14 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,760 I'm here and I don't know why I think of that. 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Is it? I think it's from The Hobbit 16 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,160 where he yells I'm going on an adventure, but you know, it's 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,280 quest so. I had never, I never watched The 18 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Hobbit movies. I never got to them. 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,640 Well, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm up and down on the 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,560 whole the, the, the trilogy's good. 21 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,400 It's pretty good. I just, I'm just not the Lord of 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,800 the Rings guy. It's just not my thing. 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,120 That's just. Oh man. 24 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:40,120 I know, I know, I know that's hey, I might get a lot of that 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,120 this episode. So but but we have a very 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,280 special guest. Of course, we are going to be 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,160 talking about Quest 64, one of the if not the first person that 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,640 anyone's going to be thinking of out there. 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,520 If you are online in the gaming sphere, as many of us are, if 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,840 you're listening to this show, you of course know of Quest 64 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,800 official or Mike is here with us. 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,680 Welcome to remember 64. How are you? 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,960 Great. Thanks for having me guys. 34 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,200 Always a pleasure to talk about Quest with people who like the 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,920 Nintendo 64, as opposed to talking up the Nintendo 64 to 36 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,400 people who don't want to listen to it. 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,120 Yeah, no, we, I've said this a couple times where it's never 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,760 been the top of my favorites list, but as we've done this 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,440 show and continue to, I've loved it more and more than I than I 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,680 thought I I ever would. Because we get to play games 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,120 like this, You know, we get to experience games that I never 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,280 played before, Jiggy's never played before. 43 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,840 You know, that's a great way to sort of explore a library of of 44 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,920 games that there's a much more there than the typical titles, 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,960 right. So I think that's a great place 46 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,560 to start. Let's just head right into it, 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Mike. I know that there's, you know, 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,040 you've talked about this game quite a bit with Quest 64 and 49 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,720 everything, but let's start from like the beginning with where, 50 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,360 when, how with the Nintendo 64. What what's, what's your story 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:10,360 with it? My parents got my younger 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,400 brother and I in Nintendo 64 Christmas of 96. 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:21,440 It was supposed to be a surprise but there was a huge first party 54 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,120 controller shortage near the end of the year. 55 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:30,360 So after my dad was my dad was working full time and going to 56 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,120 college full time and he would get home late and it's, you 57 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,600 know, I live in the Northern hemisphere like you guys. 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:44,080 So it was dark in December by 5, you know, 5-6 o'clock, whatever. 59 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,120 And a bunch of nights in a row, he was just disappearing after 60 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,200 work. And one night my, the whole 61 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,120 family got in the car with him 'cause we were even going to the 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,680 grocery store. And then he said something to my 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,360 mom and we ended up driving like 45 minutes to a Best Buy that 64 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,240 was way out of the way. And they got a second controller 65 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,720 there, a Super pad 64, the like black one that's kind of oblong. 66 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,480 With metal stick. And so that kind of ruined the 68 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,200 surprise. But they had been looking for a 69 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:20,079 couple weeks for any second controller pad for my brother 70 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:21,959 and I. So then we opened it that night 71 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,000 and yeah, it was, it was, I mean, it was like mid to late 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,400 December, so it's not like it came really early, but they were 73 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,240 obviously really excited. So and it was, you know, that 74 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,080 that was it. My parents had always been 75 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,800 really good about getting us video games, but they didn't 76 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,240 really play a lot with us. My mom would play Bomberman and 77 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,120 stuff with me on occasion, but this was the first system where 78 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,640 they were like really involved. We made sure to get 4 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,080 controllers eventually when they became available. 80 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,120 We played lots of stuff together. 81 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,200 It was just Mario at the beginning and then I bought 82 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:01,800 Turok the next spring or summer whenever it came out in 97 with 83 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,000 some money. Otherwise it was just renting 84 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,800 things like Wave Race and whatever Blockbuster had. 9697 85 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,960 was pretty light on games so. But yeah, it was, I mean it was 86 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,080 great. I love playing games with my 87 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,600 with my family and eventually Quest got into the Blockbuster 88 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,360 rotation and after my mom saw me renting it quite a few weekends 89 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,840 in a row, he decided to save the family some money and just 90 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:29,680 bought. In. 91 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,400 I wonder, I don't know this offhand. 92 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,480 I actually should have. Sometimes I look this stuff up. 93 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,080 I want 'cause you know, there's a whole a lot of discussion 94 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,800 right now in the gaming space about how expensive gaming is 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,400 and what gaming games cost and stuff. 96 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,680 There was quite a few cartridges that were 708090 bucks 97 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,360 sometimes, you know in in the mid to late 90s. 98 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,720 This console among them. I I don't know, I wonder what I 99 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,840 wonder what quest cost you said oh, save some money and stuff. 100 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:59,280 It's true if you keep renting the same thing for you know, 7 101 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:01,360 bucks 8 bucks every every weekend or whatever it costs at 102 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,840 the time. Eventually you're going to hit 103 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:06,480 that $100 pretty quickly. So, but I wonder if it was, it 104 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,200 was probably like a standard 60-70 bucks I assume for the 105 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,000 game so. I personally, because I remember 106 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,120 because it was my money, I bought Turok the second week it 107 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,440 was out. And that was at Walmart in 108 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Wisconsin. And that was 8999 without tax. 109 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:28,720 So it was 95 bucks my, my whole 100 bucks with to, to then have 110 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,040 Turok, which I wasn't enamored with when I got it, but I felt 111 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,760 like, you know, financially committed to playing it for six 112 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:36,760 months. You had to fend your fend 113 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,320 through the fog no matter what. Yeah, I know that one of the, 114 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,520 one of the. Records show that that was, he 115 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,280 said, a price higher than the current Mario Kart coming out, 116 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,720 and people are just up in arms about the price. 117 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,440 I'm like. I yeah, well, we are, we are 118 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,480 literally just just like what, a couple days away as we sit here 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,800 right now, a couple days away from switch to being in people's 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,560 hands. So that's one of the reasons why 121 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,920 this is being a big, a big discussion. 122 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Yeah. Actually the, the Mario Kart, I, 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,920 I think I've said this, I don't know if we talked about a Jiggy 124 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,840 or not, but like in in Canada, the Mario Kart's almost 120 125 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,480 bucks. Like that's oh man, insanity. 126 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Will that change? I have no idea. 127 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,320 I'm not getting a switch to at the moment anyways. 128 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,800 But like, I'm not eager to pay that for any game. 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,960 I don't care what it is like, you know, but but similarly, 130 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,600 like how you mentioned, like it was 8999 for Turok at the time. 131 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,800 I remember in, I guess it was in 2000 when No Mercy came out. 132 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,360 I was a big wrestling fan at the time and I was like, I gotta get 133 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,240 this one. WrestleMania 2000 was amazing. 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,600 The end and an end of your game is awesome. 135 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,600 My cousin had that great. That was the same thing. 136 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,440 It was like 90 bucks and I think I probably walked in there with, 137 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,680 you know, $100.00 of allowance or whatever it was and it was 138 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,480 gone. I, I don't regret it at all 139 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,240 'cause I love that game and I actually still have the actual 140 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,040 cartridge, but it's like, that's not nothing, especially for a 141 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,480 kid, you know, that is a significant cost. 142 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,400 So yeah, it's, it's, I mean, it's a lot now. 143 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,560 It's a lot then it is what it is so. 144 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Yeah, that's I kind of like the argument is kind of like bad 145 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,760 faith all around. You know, there's a lot of 146 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,520 people our age being like, oh, you know, grow up guys, games 147 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,240 from, you know, and they show like a systems adjusted for 148 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,680 inflation or what if what we paid for late Super Nintendo 149 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Genesis game. Like, no, it was bad that they 150 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,360 were expensive back then and it's bad they're expensive now. 151 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Like hobby being expensive is bad for everybody. 152 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Like we don't need justification for for things being too high. 153 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,000 The high prices are bad for everybody all the time. 154 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,559 Yeah, it's it sucks either way. It's it's coming out of your 155 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,960 wallet, you know, like it doesn't, it doesn't matter if 156 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,039 it's a then or now. So, so, so eventually you got 157 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,640 Quest and and played that one. Obviously we'll talk about that 158 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,840 game in a minute, but was it, were there other games that were 159 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,480 not the typical, like you mentioned Bomberman, you 160 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,880 mentioned Mario games and stuff, but like even Turok is somewhat 161 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,160 I, I would consider that sort of like in the realm of what a lot 162 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,800 of people may have played at the time and stuff. 163 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,840 Is there anything that was not the quote UN quote stereotypical 164 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,400 sort of choice for the 64 that you had 'cause I know Jiggy has 165 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,600 tons of those in his experience and I did not growing up. 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,880 For me, it was all very much like 90% was the typical stuff 167 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,280 that everybody played and everybody had. 168 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Did you have any of those sort of like hidden gems like Quest I 169 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,600 would say is one of those as well. 170 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,960 But was there any other of those like in your rotation, whether 171 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,440 it's rental or ownership or anything? 172 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,520 I've got a few buck. Bumble was really big in our 173 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,440 household. Still have an affinity for that 174 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,600 game. My 2 cats are named Bug and 175 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,920 Bumble as kind. Of like a. 176 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:39,880 Fall back to to that game. My brother actually got that for 177 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,440 like his birthday or something and then didn't like it and then 178 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,240 I loved it and then he got jealous of me loving it. 179 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,880 And then we played the multiplayer a lot. 180 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,120 So that's a that was a big one. Wayne Gretzky 3D hockey. 181 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,040 We played a ton of. Sweet trying. 182 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,000 To think of other ones, See, I played a lot of sports, so NBA 183 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,360 Showtime is like my favorite sports game on the system. 184 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Probably a lot of people talk about End Time because they like 185 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,720 the way it looks like NBA Jam, but I think Showtime was even 186 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,920 better than that. So we played a ton of that. 187 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,400 And then like you said, wrestling games. 188 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,480 We had Attitude, we had WrestleMania 2000 and we didn't 189 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,360 have Revenge or or No Mercy. We had original on World Tour 190 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Attitude in 2000. We played the hell out of 2000, 191 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,600 even like, just making some popcorn and setting up an entire 192 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,720 pay-per-view with our like, created characters. 193 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,200 And then you. Know a bunch of normal 194 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,680 characters and then watching just like the matches play out 195 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:46,880 for two hours while we ate snacks and stuff was that's 196 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,680 amazing. I love, I love the character 197 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,960 creators and some of those too, like the no mercy one I go back 198 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,640 to sometimes, like I put in the cartridge. 199 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,200 What was it like? I don't like a month ago or 200 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,600 something like that. I'm like, ah, I got to play a a 201 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,960 round of the, you know, whatever, one of the one of the 202 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,440 belts or something, right. And I was like, Oh yeah, a 203 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,400 couple years ago I made John Wick. 204 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,320 Like it's just a guy in a suit that kicks a lot and punches, 205 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,680 doesn't really do a lot of wrestling moves, but like, I 206 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:13,840 love it. It's just stuff like that. 207 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,480 It's just it's a blast. And he's like super overpowered, 208 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,480 like every kick, like takes a huge amount of damage off and 209 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,760 stuff. That's awesome. 210 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,120 So as far as Quest goes, was that, I mean, you said in, you 211 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,040 know, obviously it's it's hard to just sort of come across 212 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,840 these games and stuff Was Quest like, I guess you, you obviously 213 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,880 you rented it for a little bit and then when you sat down and 214 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,480 like fully played it, was it one of those experiences where 215 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,160 you're like, Oh yeah, like I remember like this, this hits 216 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,840 with me. Or did it sort of take some time 217 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,480 'cause let this happen with a lot of games that are among 218 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,160 favourites for people? No, it was pretty. 219 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:57,520 It was pretty instant. I'm older, so I played some, you 220 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,600 know, 16 bit RPGs right up until we had Nintendo 64. 221 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,920 I was playing Final Fantasy four or two here in the Americas 222 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,840 right when we got it. And I remember the like, like 223 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,360 culture shock that was going from, you know, that game to W 224 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,920 64 where everything was, you know, it was like like Grand 225 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Theft Auto 3. I was able to like run around 226 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,360 in. Environments that were. 227 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,760 You know, like 3D modelled and, and then do random battles and 228 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,200 and turn based stuff. And I mean it. 229 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,120 I don't want to compare those two games in the, you know, like 230 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,080 quest 64 is like just a masterpiece, just like Final 231 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,720 Fantasy 4 is. But I mean, it was something, it 232 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,080 was enough to capture my imagination in my in my teenage 233 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:49,640 years and see how cool RPGs were going to be moving forward. 234 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,400 I hadn't, I didn't have a PlayStation yet, though I had 235 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,400 not played Final Fantasy 7. I had friends playing it and 236 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,600 Parasite Eve and a few other games. 237 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,800 I did eventually get into them and I like obviously I recognize 238 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,840 how great those games are, but they have a lot of that same 239 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,720 like Final Fantasy style abstraction where like you're in 240 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,920 the overworld and cloud is huge. He's the size of the. 241 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,320 Of the building. The High Wind and every city, 242 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,440 yeah, yeah. And Quest didn't have that. 243 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,320 It was like playing Mario RPG before Paper Mario came out. 244 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:21,960 So. It. 245 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,920 Was a cool combination of stuff and it just, it gripped me and I 246 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,320 haven't been able to let that feeling go for, you know, 247 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,720 decades, no. Hey, that's OK. 248 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,280 You don't have no one's asking you to hang on to it, Jiggy. 249 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,800 What about you 'cause I my, my history of it is just, I haven't 250 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,160 played it till now. So I'll, I'll get into details 251 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,240 of how I felt about it and stuff. 252 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,280 But what about you? Did you play this before? 253 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,080 Is it? Was was it among that pile that 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,320 you and your dad went through at one point? 255 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,120 So actually really funny. So I did own it. 256 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,280 I only watched it be played once. 257 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,560 My friend played it and I never, I just never played it. 258 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,000 I I had it, I owned it. I was. 259 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,800 In the house it was it was feet away from your, from you. 260 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,040 You could have. It was one of those I think I, I 261 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,680 got it and like a like a yard sale or something and it was 262 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,440 like in between or like right when I got my game cube and 263 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,400 everything. So I was sort of not that I 264 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,240 didn't go back to my N64 collection quite a bit, but when 265 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,400 I did, I would always go back to Banjo Kazooie or Banjo Tooie, 266 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,120 you know, like the games that I really loved. 267 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Like I'd go back and just replay those before going and playing a 268 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,960 a bunch of different games. Like Quest just was one of those 269 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,000 that I had in the in the bucket, but I didn't, I didn't really 270 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,080 gravitate to it. Right. 271 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,800 For whatever reason, I had a couple games like that, you 272 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,480 know, but I I did have Buck Bumble. 273 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,240 I played that on Bomberman 64. I played that like there's some, 274 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,240 there's some good, good bangers in there. 275 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,440 I think it's just one of those like even as a kid, there's not 276 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,200 enough time to enjoy every game, you know? 277 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,720 And some games just unfortunately didn't make the 278 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,600 docket before I transition to the next console. 279 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,680 Don't even get me started on my Switch library. 280 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,840 And I'm getting a Switch too, so. 281 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,560 Oh my God. Same deal I guess. 282 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Yeah, I was just gonna say, see, that's the issue that I run into 283 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,440 over the last decade. I would say 1 because, you know, 284 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,640 you get older, you get a job if you want to spend some money for 285 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,720 yourself. Like a lot of mine goes towards 286 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,360 video games and stuff related to video games, obviously with the 287 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,960 background behind me. But you know, as a kid, for me, 288 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,840 for me, for the 64, I didn't have a massive library, you 289 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,080 know, and I always gravitated towards, I mean, no mercy was 290 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,320 later, but like I put weeks and weeks of my life into that game. 291 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,080 But like I always played Mario Party. 292 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,840 I always played Mario 64. I always went to, you know, 293 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,360 Ocarina of Time eventually when I got it, always went to Banjo 294 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,640 cause like it was very much those ones. 295 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,640 Diddy Kong Racing was probably actually the game that I played 296 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,680 for the longest amount of time because it's so much earlier in 297 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,400 the life cycle of the, of the console. 298 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,520 But like I just, I just don't, I just, I just, it's so crazy that 299 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,520 like there's this console that we're talking about that I have 300 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,880 a podcast for and stuff. And I'm just like, yeah, I don't 301 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,120 know. Never never even really heard of 302 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,200 this game like. That's the best part. 303 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,960 That's the best part yeah, it is it is a lot of fun for it for me 304 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,520 so to to do that. But but let's let's talk about 305 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,240 the game itself. Let's talk about quest 64M. 306 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,840 We'll we'll get to you in just in just a SEC. 307 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Obviously there's going to be, I will tell you right now, there's 308 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,120 going to be more than a few times that I, or more 309 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,400 specifically me, but that we will probably need to be 310 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,120 corrected on something that we're talking about, whether 311 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,520 it's like a fact or something like that. 312 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,040 Feel free to stamp all over us, man. 313 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,480 It's all good. But 'cause I, I, I go into this 314 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,560 again, I go into this with very little experience knowing of it 315 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,800 and never playing it. So, you know, seeing a couple 316 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,920 scenes here and there, but not even physically like sitting 317 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,839 there, like you said, Jiggy and watching anyone play it. 318 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,400 I never even experienced it that way. 319 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,480 So I've only seen some battles. I've only seen some, you know, 320 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,839 areas and stuff that that you can find online and stuff. 321 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,160 So I think my initial impression, my first, let's say 322 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:26,319 couple of hours of this was, oh, this is this is to me, this this 323 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,200 game looks pretty good. The character models are pretty 324 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,440 fun. I love how colorful it is like I 325 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,360 I do really like that sort of uniqueness of it. 326 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,280 But I do think that right off the bat I was like, oh, this 327 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:42,000 feels very early Nintendo 64, very early 3D anything which 328 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,800 which we run into quite a bit with this console. 329 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,080 It's early 3D. They're trying to figure things 330 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,800 out. It is what it is, right? 331 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,240 And I don't know that that feeling ever really left as I 332 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,960 played the game. I do feel like there's a lot of 333 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,600 points where it definitely does better than that. 334 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,640 It improves and feels like, oh, this is very ambitious. 335 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,320 This does a really good job of this or this. 336 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,200 But overall, my overall feeling of it was, oh, if it if this 337 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,720 came out maybe like a year later and they had more experience 338 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,360 with the console or they had a little bit more time for it to 339 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:13,840 cook. Although sounds like the 340 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,360 development of this wasn't exactly simple, I it would have 341 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,520 sort of maybe hit with me. But I'm also coming into this as 342 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,520 someone who did not play Final Fantasy four or two, did not get 343 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,920 into RPGs early, really just dabbled with them 'cause friends 344 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,640 had them. I don't even know if I ever 345 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:38,560 owned an RPG until Zelda. Maybe like a Korean of time, if 346 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,720 you want to consider that to be like a quote UN quote official 347 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,120 RPG. Like I was too young to sort of 348 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,720 get into those things probably for the Super Nintendo and the 349 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,360 N64 came along and it was Mario Kart and all the things that 350 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:52,240 I've that I've mentioned already, like that's kind of 351 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,080 what it was. So I think maybe if I had it at 352 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,960 that time, it would have blown me away a little bit more and 353 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,240 stuff. And I don't, I don't dislike the 354 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,560 game. I just feel like it was, even 355 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,960 though it took a while to get to where it is, I think with the 356 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,680 story of how it's sort of been developed and all these things 357 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,760 that we'll get into and stuff, I still felt like it was a little 358 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,160 bit undercooked. But I don't think it's a bad 359 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,240 game. I do not think it is like the 360 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,960 worst RPG or the worst game. There is a lot here to enjoy and 361 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,560 a lot of really cool ideas, especially for this time of when 362 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,040 these these types of games are coming out. 363 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,520 So absolutely, yeah. Jiggy, what? 364 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,240 What about you? Is there 'cause you, you played 365 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,560 it all the way through just like a month or so ago or a few weeks 366 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,600 ago or something, right? Yeah, it was, yeah, maybe a 367 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,680 month or two ago, I can't remember exactly, but I played 368 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,800 through it and it was really. So the first thing that gripped 369 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,320 me. I actually, I love the movement. 370 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,800 I I started running around as Brian and I was just like, this 371 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,960 feels really good. Like just. 372 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,720 He has definitely nailed it, that's for sure. 373 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,880 Nailed it running. It felt his animation. 374 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,120 I find his animations like. I like the animation itself, 375 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,800 it's just. It's so fast that it throws me 376 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,960 off. It's just like, chill, dude, 377 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,480 chill. Like I thought I had, I thought 378 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,680 because so I had to play this in order for me to sort of properly 379 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,480 get through this. I had to emulate to play this on 380 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,280 my Steam Deck. I didn't actually get to sit and 381 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,640 play it with the with the N64 specifically this time, 382 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,200 unfortunately. I thought it was an emulation 383 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,840 problem at first when he first started running. 384 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Not gonna lie, I thought something was up. 385 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,200 He's just, he's cooking. Yeah, He's moving. 386 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,000 He's booking. No, I really, I, I enjoyed it 387 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,920 going through. I I definitely feel I I sort of 388 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,360 had the same feeling that I had when we played body harvest 389 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,560 where there's a lot of like houses to go into. 390 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,480 But when you go into like it's sort of like empty areas and 391 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,560 kind of big open and it's not bad. 392 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,920 It's just I don't know if it needs more time to cook. 393 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,320 If if I mean, you could probably say that about anything. 394 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,520 It just feels a little, a little empty. 395 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Could be early and 64. It could be just development and 396 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,400 everything, I don't know, But I did. 397 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,560 I got like a Body Harvest vibe. But I, I really overall, I was 398 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,280 enjoying it. I went in with the mindset, you 399 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:21,320 know, watching this guy in his Twitter glory just sharing about 400 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,200 the game. I'm like, this is there's no way 401 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,040 this is a bad game. There's just going right. 402 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,400 There's nobody in the 100%. I was like, there's there's 403 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,480 value to be had here. And like everyone always says, 404 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,640 oh, it's it's one of the worst N64 games and it is certainly 405 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,760 not. I've played far worse and even. 406 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Like, like I said, when we were, what we were just talking about 407 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,520 was like, we, we played, we played Power Rangers, man. 408 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Like this is not the worst. Yeah, you really hated that one. 409 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,840 Oh my God, I fucking hate that. I did not hate that one like 410 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,640 you. Did I just? 411 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,560 I think it's just a complete waste of time. 412 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,360 It's so funny, though, I, I think about this, and because 413 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,120 two games always come up in the conversation when we talk about 414 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,800 like the worst N64 game, and it's always Superman and this 415 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,760 game. And to be honest, I have fun 416 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,520 with both of them. Like Superman, treat Superman 417 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,200 like a sandbox. Go in the training mode, just 418 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,360 fly around. It's blast. 419 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,160 Yeah. Pick up the. 420 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,120 Car go swimming like a dolphin. I have fun with that. 421 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,080 This one a. Multi killer too. 422 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,400 If you guys haven't played multiplayer Superman, it's. 423 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,320 Awesome. Oh yeah. 424 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,080 It's like, yeah, it's like flying around in your machines 425 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,720 and like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jiggy talked about it and 426 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,280 me and Jake were sitting there recording and I was like, wait, 427 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,520 what? That's what it is. 428 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,120 It's so it's such a weird thing, but I wish I I wish I played it. 429 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,280 I would have been just experiment with it, you know 430 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,760 what I mean? Just yeah. 431 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,520 Yeah, it's so weird. My my only issue with this game 432 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:51,320 is it's very grindy. Random battles happen like every 433 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,880 two seconds, but you don't get enough experience from those 434 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,040 battles and you have to sit there like the game itself 435 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,800 realistically if it wasn't so grindy would probably be like 436 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,680 two or three hours. Like it's a pretty short game 437 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,600 but with grinding it's like what, 8-9 maybe I think. 438 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,080 I think I I did it in yeah, probably. 439 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,200 I probably did it in nine ish, maybe 10. 440 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,200 Yeah, I mean, you could solve that by just throwing more of 441 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,920 those souls around the world, which I I appreciated that they 442 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080 at least gave you an option to kind of level up a little bit 443 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,400 quicker. It's almost like they 444 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,360 acknowledged it and they just kind of slapped the Band-Aid on 445 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,240 it real quick. And I'm fine with that. 446 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,400 And I love collecting stuff, so it's like perfect. 447 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,760 But overall I, I think that the charm, for me, the charm puts it 448 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,840 up a peg. I really enjoyed it. 449 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,400 I actually really enjoy the graphics. 450 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,440 I love this, this sort of early N64 look it has, but it also has 451 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,200 sort of like a cartoony over the top style. 452 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,000 Yeah, I was. I liked it more than I thought I 453 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,400 would. So yeah, that's that's where I'm 454 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,640 at with it. Nice. 455 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,880 Mike, Tell me. Tell us how much you totally 456 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,800 despise this game. No, no, no. 457 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,680 I will not. I'm hanging up. 458 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,960 I will not. A lot of the feelings you guys 459 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,680 have are obviously valid and that resonates with the video 460 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,880 game community. That's why you see some of the 461 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,800 things you see and hear the things you hear about it. 462 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,520 A lot of people saw the graphics and expected it to be like when 463 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,680 you see Mario or Ocarina, you know, 64 graphics. 464 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,160 You expect a certain type of game, and this game is not that 465 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,000 game. It's much more traditional RPG, 466 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320 just with those kinds of graphics. 467 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,720 You know, it's more akin to the first couple Final Fantasies or 468 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,280 the first couple Dragon Quest games off of the NES and SNES 469 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,200 where, yeah, you like, there is random battles all the time. 470 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,400 And with like Dragon Quests or Dragon Warrior over here, you 471 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,000 were one person. You weren't a party. 472 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,440 You were just one dude getting killed over and over again. 473 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,560 And that's how you your experience that was leveling up 474 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,400 like that was get your ass kicked and then and then pull 475 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,760 your bootstraps up and and go at it again. 476 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,680 So to, to like, if you came from that kind of game and expected a 477 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,920 traditional RPG, then this game is like it's pretty, it's pretty 478 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,760 like bang standard for, for levelling stuff. 479 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,160 But that's not what the Nintendo 64 was known for. 480 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,120 And it's it's certainly not the audience they were shooting for. 481 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,800 Like you said, it's it had four controller ports, like right on 482 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,200 the front of the system. It was for multiplayer games, It 483 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,560 was for having your friends over. 484 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,400 It was for experiencing, you know, Mario in 3D and and 485 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,640 Lincoln 3D for the first time. This game just like didn't 486 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,360 resonate with a lot of people in that same way because it's not 487 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:56,560 an established, you know, franchise and it wasn't the 488 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,240 genre that the system was known for. 489 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,600 So I like it. No, I get it. 490 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Like, I, I understand that this game is definitely a me thing 491 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,560 and not an everyone thing. And I'm just trying to get it in 492 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,960 more people's hands, I guess. And like, give it a give it a 493 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,240 shot in your 30s or your 40s. You're not 12 and waiting for 494 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,600 your turn to, you know, play Mario Kart. 495 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,640 Absolutely. It. 496 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,800 I think it helps too to have sort of a, a base knowledge of 497 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,000 what you need to do in the game too, like leveling up. 498 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,360 I, I on live stream, I had some folks that were like, Hey, level 499 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,760 up your water step first so you get a healing spell, you know, 500 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,840 like just those little tips that you could. 501 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,240 Which you told me too. And I was like, oh, that's what 502 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,800 it does. And like I, I does the manual 503 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,000 tell you that I, I should have checked and maybe it does, but 504 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,920 yeah, it does, right. So yeah, yeah. 505 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,320 So really like. I mean. 506 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,560 Yeah, like, OK, so at the. Time would read the manual 507 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000 anyways. I, I mean, I, I would have gone 508 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,400 through it, but but now that's not physically in front of you. 509 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Like yes, you can find them online, but like we've said with 510 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,640 multiple games on this show, like I am not inclined to always 511 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,880 say, hey, I'm playing this game for the first time. 512 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,240 Let me go find the PDF of the manual. 513 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Like you can do it, but it's just not the first thing that 514 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000 pops into my head. I could have done it with this 515 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,480 and I didn't and and that's I fine, but I don't know that 516 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,560 that's necessarily a shortcoming of the game either. 517 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,760 Yeah, I think there's I think there's something to be said 518 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,400 that you can get into a game and just pick it up and play without 519 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,840 having to read instructions or do anything. 520 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,760 And I don't think, I don't think you need to look at instructions 521 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,000 to play this game. I'm just saying it, it helped my 522 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,800 experience having some people on streams being like, hey, I 523 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,240 suggest you level up your water spell. 524 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,640 You know, essentially it was like don't level up your fire. 525 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,920 And I was like, all right, sounds good. 526 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,720 And I'm so glad I followed them and actually levelled up rock 527 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,160 the most because that ended up being like the spells that I 528 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,480 would use throughout the game. Magic barrier. 529 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,160 It's been a minute. I can't remember, but the one 530 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,520 that just drops rocks from the sky, like yeah, once you once 531 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,000 you can watch something I. Think. 532 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,720 Once you can attack multiple enemies at the same time with 533 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920 one attack, it's like, all right, this game is, it's 534 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,840 speeding up, let's do it. Yeah, I like, I, I really enjoy, 535 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,320 you know, for me, I have again, very little experience with RPGs 536 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,920 around this time. And every once in a while I'll, 537 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,120 I'll, I'll play 1, you know, that's newer and stuff, but I'm 538 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,440 just not the RP like not the quote UN quote JRPG guy, which I 539 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,160 know that not every RPG is a traditional JRPG that would be 540 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,040 made around this time or whatever, but I'm not, I'm just 541 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,000 not that guy. But I like the battle system in 542 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,440 this. I find like the sort of movement 543 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200 restriction sort of balance that you have of moving around the 544 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,200 sort of battle arena and stuff to be really, really fun. 545 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,480 Because there's a lot of games that have come out in the last 546 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,440 20 years, let's say that. And there's even games that are 547 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,360 coming out today that are saying, you know, it's turn 548 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,880 based, but it's active. You know, that's the battle 549 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,040 system. And that is exactly what this 550 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280 is. You know, it is an active 551 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,880 system. You are able to move in the 552 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000 middle of an enemy's move. You're able to move around the 553 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,640 battlefield, but you're still taking turns to hit each other. 554 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,120 And I think that like, that is one of the ideas that this game 555 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,640 has that is better than a lot of games around this time. 556 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,040 I think, I think it really excels in that. 557 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400 And is it like absolutely perfect every way in every way 558 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,640 that you you sort of execute your moves and stuff. 559 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,160 Sometimes you, you turn a little bit to the left or the right and 560 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,040 you you miss your opponent. It's like, OK, really. 561 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,640 Like, OK, I guess I got to sort of figure that part out or, you 562 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,960 know, but the fact that that the you can just sort of manipulate 563 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,360 the battlefield almost in a way is fantastic. 564 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,280 And I really, really like how they did that from the first 565 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,120 first battle, early, early stuff. 566 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880 You realize, oh, this is doing something different here with 567 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,960 these battle systems, even though we are taking turns. 568 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,760 And I think that to me that is that was my favorite part is 569 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,960 that. And yes, it is OK, select your 570 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,920 select your move, you know, see, see buttons do that, you know, 571 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760 sort of cycling through your, your abilities, like a lot of 572 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,640 RPGs do it from the time especially. 573 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,040 But I don't know, I just the that uniqueness of, of being 574 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,880 able to, to move around the battlefield and have the sort 575 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,880 of, you know, circle around you and, and be able to escape when 576 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600 you get a chance to all that stuff I found to be to be great. 577 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,640 So I don't love random battles, but I like that I can escape 578 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,240 these ones without having any issue. 579 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600 Yeah, I don't mind. I don't mind random battles like 580 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,200 I love, I love Pokémon, but at least you have the security of 581 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,200 knowing you, you need to be in the grass to engage. 582 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920 So you could potentially like avoid it. 583 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,960 I love Mega Man Battle Network, which is a little bit more like 584 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,680 this like as if you're on the net, you're running around, 585 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,160 you're going to encounter random battles. 586 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,680 I just felt like they were really, really frequent. 587 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480 Like you can't go like 3 steps without getting a battle. 588 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840 And if you, if you do, if you do like have a stretch where you 589 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,760 start running, you're like, whoa, what's wrong? 590 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,880 Like, am I about to encounter a boss or something? 591 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760 Like something's about to happen. 592 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,520 But the battle system, it's, it's funny, I just made that 593 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600 Pokémon comparison, but it's like it took what, 25 years? 594 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,040 And now a Pokémon Legends is kind of following this framework 595 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,800 of like an active battle where you can like run around in the 596 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,480 middle of it. Oh does it do it that way? 597 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,920 I have no experience. Pokémon Legends does, yeah. 598 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,720 I know it's not the only game that does it, but it's I, I. 599 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400 It's, yeah, it's, it's cool. I like that aspect too. 600 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,880 It also gives you some, some extra challenge trying to like 601 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,280 aim your attacks and things. Cause not all attacks lock on 602 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,280 like the rock attacks. There's the one that comes in 603 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,560 from the side. It just like rolls in and yeah, 604 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,640 if you can aim it right, if you can kind of line it up right, 605 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,480 you can hit multiple enemies and if you can't, kind of suck. 606 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,320 I'm a I'm a huge Pokémon Legends RCS fan too. 607 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520 There's probably something to be said about those two. 608 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,840 Also the aesthetic style, you know, I was probably drawn to a 609 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,320 for a certain reason. They got a, they got a lot of 610 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,080 same stuff going on so. Dude, Legends was that was like 611 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,160 one of my, I'm excited for the new one, but that was like, that 612 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,040 was so refreshing to me when I played that game. 613 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,040 I hadn't been hooked on Pokémon since like Soul Silver. 614 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040 I, I think maybe I, I played X&Y and I did really like X&Y. 615 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,240 But then like since then I've been kind of like, yeah, OK. 616 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480 And then legends came out and I was like, this slaps. 617 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,600 This was. Awesome. 618 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,400 I have so little Pokémon, as we've talked about so little 619 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,960 Pokémon experience the before. Before we get too, too far into 620 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,560 it, I wanted to sort of mention, I wanted to find, Speaking of 621 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,400 like reading the manual and stuff every once in a while I 622 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,880 want to sort of find like how, how was this game sort of 623 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400 described at the time? Like for me, I don't have the 624 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,120 box for this. I don't have, you know, I, I 625 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760 sifted through sort of some magazines and stuff like that. 626 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,680 But the back of the box, for example, is a fun way to sort of 627 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,960 look like, how did they, how did they sell this to you at 628 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,320 Blockbuster? For example, if, although not 629 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,760 every blockbuster, not every rental place had the boxes out. 630 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Sometimes it was in their own. I don't know if that's how it 631 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,520 was in in your guys stores, but it was like the cartridge, the 632 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,800 actual box for the game wasn't on display. 633 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,320 It was the plastic box that just had the name of the game or the 634 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640 movie on it. And yeah, OK, wasn't just me. 635 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,960 I thought maybe it was just a Canadian thing. 636 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,560 I don't know. So the back of the box it see it 637 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,880 says a massive adventure RPG. So this might give people an 638 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320 idea if they don't quite know exactly what it is. 639 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,680 But I can also, we can also obviously describe the story and 640 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,600 stuff too. But it's just Keltland, right? 641 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,960 Or my in my print out that's it's Keltland, right? 642 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,960 That's the way I say it. That's right. 643 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I questioned 644 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,880 myself, but Keltland has been cast into chaos by the theft of 645 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,080 Elf Hill's book. The The Mystical volume contains 646 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,440 the secrets of the Spirit Tamers control Brian, a magician's 647 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,320 apprentice, as he explores the expansive countryside and 648 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,480 villages on his quest. If he does not reclaim the book, 649 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,520 the Kingdom of Keltland will be cast Into Darkness forever, 650 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:23,639 including over 50 deadly spells, fifty 100 characters in it, and 651 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:28,040 unique battle engine boom. Yeah, that sounds sounds pretty 652 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,679 epic. I I always laugh every time 653 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,880 because I forget his name is just Brian. 654 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,199 Which is. Just like the most normal name 655 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,920 you could have given him. It's so. 656 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,560 Funny. It's awesome. 657 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,800 It's so funny I he's. A normal dude, he's just an 658 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,000 apprentice. He's just a little guy and it's 659 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,159 in obviously it's, it's Countland. 660 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:52,280 So it's it's like inspired by, you know, Celtic Scottish stuff 661 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,320 and that Brian is like a super traditional boy name from that 662 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,960 time and that place. And people like like to make fun 663 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,320 of it, but like man, like she's just a normal guy. 664 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,040 Why? Why wouldn't he? 665 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,760 Why would he have some crazy name like Cloud or Squaw? 666 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,720 Would he just? Like a normal? 667 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,480 Is it like a like a 12 year old kid running? 668 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,360 Around I just felt like what is the name of the the book? 669 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120 Or L tail. It's just like L tail when you 670 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,560 throw in names like that, Yeah, then Brian feels off. 671 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,080 It's like if everyone had a normal name it'd be one thing, 672 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,760 but it's like stop the all these like crazy. 673 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,760 Stop the evil. Stop the evil, Ryan. 674 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,360 Oh, no, here comes Paul. Like just things like that. 675 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,880 It's I, I found it to be really weird. 676 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,880 I thought maybe it was like, oh, it's a lost in translation type 677 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,600 thing, which does happen from time to time, right, With games 678 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,760 that are released. But this was as far as I 679 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,600 remember, as far as I can remember, the this was released 680 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,360 in North America. Was it first or it was OK? 681 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,960 And then there was one of the differences too is again, I'm 682 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,360 just going off of sort of some of the notes I wrote down and 683 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,320 stuff like that too. Is that like through the 684 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880 development, there were supposed to be, or there could have been 685 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840 multiple characters that you could choose or play as, which 686 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,880 is really interesting. I, I don't know why I didn't 687 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,960 have it in my notes, but Mike, what's, what's what they were, 688 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,000 they were all like sort of different classes, were they 689 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,400 not? Yeah, they are character models 690 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,560 that are still in the game. They just were kind of cut from 691 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,120 the from the playable. Yeah. 692 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,440 So you'll find, yeah, you'll find Flora eventually in the 693 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,640 game. She's a little red and blue, got 694 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,720 a little sword kind of thing. She was one of one of the 695 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,040 support characters. And then Kiliak, who ends up 696 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,720 being the pirate on the ship that you meet with Khalil later 697 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,640 on, he was the third kind of like tank, tank character. 698 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,640 But those were the three playable that got. 699 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,320 Yeah, obviously that got chopped. 700 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,800 Yeah, lots of things got chopped, but what we got was 701 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,920 pretty cool, so. Yeah, yeah, it's it. 702 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,880 I think I think that could have been pretty interesting to sort 703 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,280 of have a choice whether whether it's a team thing or whether 704 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,280 you're playing individual like like you do in this. 705 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,720 I think I think it sets itself apart like you mentioned 706 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,800 earlier, Mike, how like you are adventuring on your own, you 707 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,760 know, and I think that sort of reminds me a little bit of of 708 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,560 the name thing where it's like, yeah, he is just this kid, yes. 709 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,480 He's just, he's not some wizard yet. 710 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:34,160 He's not this big fantastical character yet and his name's 711 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,760 just Brian. But I think like the expectation 712 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,240 is, oh, it's an RPG. You know, it's has this turn 713 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,440 based system. It's this, it's Final Fantasy. 714 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,040 So someone has to be named blah, blah, whatever, Sir. 715 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,920 This that's I think where some of that comes from. 716 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,640 And I like that. It just doesn't care. 717 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,880 And it's just, you know, it's it's Brian and we're doing our 718 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,320 own thing pretty much from the beginning, whether it's a name, 719 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,840 whether it's the way the characters look, whether it's 720 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,080 the high on caffeine run that he has, like whatever it is like 721 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,920 it's do, it's doing its thing. So. 722 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,960 I had to give him a fancy hairstyle though. 723 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,320 That's that's a requirement of any RPG main character and they 724 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,000 nailed it. It's alfalfa, is what it is. 725 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,840 Alfalfa. Yeah. 726 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,920 What did what did you Jiggy? What did you think of sort of 727 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,480 like the story and stuff? Was that, did that kind of sort 728 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,240 of keep you going or was it more like I, I just, you know, I like 729 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,400 the battles, I like the areas, I like the sort of, what did you 730 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,720 think of sort of. As Oh yeah, absolutely. 731 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,480 That's what kept me going. I wanted, I wanted to see what 732 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,400 happened. It I, I wouldn't say that the 733 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:53,160 battles kept me going. I I, I got frustrated with how 734 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,600 grindy it was. That was, that was that was the 735 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,240 only, that really was the only thing that I was just like, man, 736 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,000 if I didn't have to sit here and grind to progress to fight this 737 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,840 boss that I want. Like I just want to fight. 738 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,120 I want to, but I'm kind of one of those people to like I'm not 739 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,480 I'm either super into a side quest and I forgo the main quest 740 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960 and I'm just like, oh, that side quest was amazing. 741 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960 And then I never like and then I just keep going down that rabbit 742 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,400 hole and keep doing amazing side quests and never finish the 743 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,800 story or I'm all into the story and I just forego like most, if 744 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,040 not all of the side quests. Like it's just kind of how I how 745 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,080 I play games. I don't know. 746 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,600 It kind of depends on what draws me in. 747 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,920 Side quests almost feel like because it's an option, I have 748 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,320 more of a choice of like, oh, like like a game like Witcher 749 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,320 that's like massive. I still have not finished it and 750 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,680 I just, every time I go into the game, side quest, side quest, 751 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,400 side quest. But for quest appropriately 752 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,400 titled, the quest was the main draw for me. 753 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,520 Yeah. And I liked, I liked seeing the 754 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,640 new bosses too. Like every time I felt like 755 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,480 every boss was pretty unique and different 'cause you start out 756 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,000 with the thief and then it just gets like really weird at the 757 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,560 end. And I like fully wanted it to 758 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,400 get weird and it it delivered and it was awesome. 759 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,360 I, I was gonna say I'm glad that this like this game is, is 760 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,960 despite Brian being the hero, this game's weird around Brian 761 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,880 in a lot of ways and. You know what, because I'm 762 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,560 looking at it now, looking at the monsters that popped up, 763 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,320 that was one thing that made the grinding like more tolerable 764 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,560 because like occasionally new monsters would pop up that I 765 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,240 hadn't seen. And I was like, oh, that's neat. 766 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,920 It was kind of like the same, the same draw I get from Pokémon 767 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,160 with a random battle. You're like, oh, that's a new 768 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,120 one. You know, right. 769 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,640 It it was it was cool. And they especially when they 770 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,720 got kind of like spooky and freaky looking. 771 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,080 I was like, this is this game has like why? 772 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,600 But I love it. Why is it doing it? 773 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,040 Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. 774 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,000 These these particular ones that we have pulled up here where 775 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,600 he's he's running through the forest and and fighting these 776 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,800 big sort of, you know, trees, demon trees, Yeah. 777 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,120 Demon trees, yeah. Yeah, they got. 778 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,880 Frog Night. Yeah, yeah, it was like lots of 779 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,840 lots of epic epically designed. Like it's just they got together 780 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,160 and they were just like think of ideas and they just drew out 781 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600 these characters and they're like, sure, that could be sure. 782 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,160 Just threw into the game. It's like there's no there's no 783 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,280 cohesion, but that's what makes it cohesive. 784 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,120 You know, it's like that's. Awesome. 785 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,200 That's true, 'cause some of the enemies pop up in it and it, it 786 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,600 felt like to me, a lot of the time I was like, oh, this this, 787 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,440 this guy, this guy doesn't belong here. 788 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,200 Like, sure, a tree in a forest. OK, that's fine. 789 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,440 But then. Yeah, no, absolutely. 790 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,880 That makes sense. But then there's, you know, 791 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,320 there's a a mix of different characters in random areas and 792 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,520 like, is it really that bad? No, but also. 793 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,400 It's like it not making sense is what makes sense. 794 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,920 And I, I, I'm into it, I like it. 795 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,000 It's silly. Like you got any like favorites, 796 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,600 like areas, enemies, bosses, things like that? 797 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,920 So kind of going through some of that stuff. 798 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,640 Big Mouth is a community favorite. 799 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,080 It's the alligator crocodile looking thing at the beginning. 800 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,360 We may, we have lots of fun. Bing Chan is one of the world 801 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,680 record speed runners and his wife has done like some crazy 802 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,440 Big Mouth art. So Big Mouth his friend. 803 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,000 We all, we all love Big mouth. Later on, we always anybody who 804 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,840 streams the game for the first time or when we watch speed runs 805 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,240 or when people are doing races, everybody celebrates. 806 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,040 When you get to Mammon's realm and you're on the blue yellow 807 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,080 path where it's just blue, yellow, blue, yellow, like 808 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,480 bricks all the way across. That's a that's another personal 809 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,120 favorite and fun like community favorite time. 810 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,040 Like you said, the music does some really crazy things when 811 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,360 you're in the like trippy Mammon's realm after anything 812 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,160 after Baragun, I guess at the end is is lots of fun. 813 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,000 The weirder it gets, the better, I guess some of the other 814 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,920 enemies like I, I, I've been like jokingly doing this because 815 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,000 I'm ramping up for, you know, quest anniversary month here. 816 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,200 But like I've just been picking random enemies and then like 817 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,240 saying I'm going to post about their lore and then just like 818 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,920 showing a picture of them. And that's the entire lore. 819 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,200 Because obviously, like you're looking at here, like the blood 820 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,160 gel with the eyeball with the eyeball side of it. 821 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,080 That's the whole story. Like if you play the game like 822 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,040 you fully understand it's just some, some weird dude with, you 823 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,200 know, with a, a character model you're not gonna see anywhere 824 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,560 else or only in like crazy RPGs. And you just understand that 825 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,320 that's part of the game. Like that's why I'm playing this 826 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,320 since I'm I'm playing it for the weird dudes. 827 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,120 Yeah, that's, that's The thing is, is I it almost because so 828 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040 when you're running around, especially early, I was like, 829 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,880 oh, I was a little underwhelmed about the world itself 'cause I 830 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,920 was like, oh, this is like like Jiggy you mentioned sort of 831 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,480 going into the buildings. The body Harvest thing is 832 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,320 actually a really good comparison because it's it's got 833 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,400 some size to it. This I think feels a little bit 834 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,120 more closed off because there's more, there's actually more like 835 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,880 literally walls and cliffs around you. 836 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,960 Whereas in Body Harvest it's kind of just like they don't put 837 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,400 walls, but you, you just can't go over that Cliff sometimes or 838 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,360 you just can't go in that area. So they just sort of make it 839 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,320 look open, but really it is sometimes an invisible wall. 840 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,000 So I was like, oh, this is very like empty. 841 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,560 There's not enough to do here. And, and ever from time to time 842 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640 I still got that feeling. I don't, I don't think it's very 843 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:30,200 populated per SE, but it's always populated with different 844 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,240 weird freaking enemies and, and, and I think that like that 845 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,200 really like leans into its personality, whatever the 846 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,400 personality is of this game. I don't even know how to define 847 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,120 it. It's it's so mixed, which is 848 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,440 kind of like what we've been talking about. 849 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,240 It's like it's fun, it's colorful, but it's also really 850 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:52,120 strange and crazy. And I think it's sort of hits 851 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,080 this weird like middle ground where I, I, I can't quite put my 852 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,320 finger on it. And again, I didn't dislike 853 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,320 playing it and stuff, but every once in a while I was like, oh, 854 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,280 I wish this did this or I wish this did this. 855 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,080 You know, I, I think the one thing that is a big part of this 856 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,120 and we're talking about sort of some of the levelling systems, 857 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,680 is it, it doesn't level like a traditional RPG or now a game 858 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,560 would. If it's a action game that has 859 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,480 RPG elements, you know, sort of built into it where you have 860 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,680 some levelling and stuff like that. 861 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,480 You don't level with experience per SE. 862 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,320 You level with the more you use a spell and you then you collect 863 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,040 these little are they wisps? Is that what they're called? 864 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,360 I can't remember exactly what the name is. 865 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,320 I think. Are they just souls? 866 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,760 Is that what it is? The little little ones, things 867 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,880 that you collect throughout the the game? 868 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,960 I like the idea, but I don't know. 869 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,600 I don't know if it's like like it looks like just like an 870 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,080 environmental like, oh, there's a a raindrop or oh, there's like 871 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,920 a steam coming out of the ground. 872 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080 I was like, sometimes I like, I didn't know that that's what I 873 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,360 was looking for and it looked like it was almost like a 874 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,040 mistake sometimes because of where they're. 875 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,680 Placed the the Donkey Kong 64 fan of me just loves collecting 876 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,840 crap. So like looking for those was 877 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,320 like part of the fun for me. Yeah, I would yeah, I would I 878 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,320 would say put more make it make me level up like let me get God 879 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,480 tier. I wanna, I wanna be, I wanna be 880 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,760 50 by like the Second World on everything. 881 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,600 Like, it would have been fantastic. 882 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,760 It is fun when you're super strong in this you're that's 883 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,000 true. Like it does take a lot of that 884 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,320 grinding, which is not my favorite mechanic in in any 885 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,160 game, regardless if it's RPG or I guess those are mostly RPGs. 886 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,240 But but yeah, when you are overpowered, when Brian is is 887 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:41,200 kicking ass with his with his spells, like it's pretty cool. 888 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,200 And I don't know if it's because like, oh, it's just some kid 889 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,800 killing a bunch of monsters and bugs and whatever. 890 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,400 It's like, oh, that feels so unexpected. 891 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,080 I don't know if that's part of what the feel is. 892 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,560 But it's underpowered though. It's like. 893 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,840 Yeah. Terrifying because you're in a, 894 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,880 in a like when I first go into The Cave, like the first cave 895 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,880 you go into and like everyone that was watching my stream were 896 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,440 like, oh, watch out for the Wyvern or whatever it was. 897 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,560 And I was like, oh, OK. And they're like, yeah, you 898 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,760 probably, you probably won't encounter it like right away, 899 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,600 but just be aware that it's in there. 900 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,720 First encounter. Like it popped up and I was 901 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,320 like, oh, no, This is why you were talking about this giant 902 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,640 freaking dragon thing. And no, it's like I am not even 903 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,800 close to being enough to fight this right now. 904 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:34,240 Yeah, that for me, games in general, when they do that 905 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,080 doesn't really doesn't matter if it's this one or not. 906 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:42,200 It's like I, I don't know if I love that mechanic in general 907 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:48,560 where it's like you don't know that you need to be way more 908 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,840 buffed up or levelled up or something to be anywhere close 909 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,480 to being prepared for this, you know? 910 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,960 Do I need everything spelled out for me? 911 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,720 No, I don't think that. I think there's fun and 912 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,480 exploration like finding the souls and stuff too. 913 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,320 I was like, I found a couple early on and I didn't know that 914 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,160 that was one of the mechanics. And I was like, oh, this is 915 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,760 cool, great, I get to find these things. 916 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,400 But I do wish there was more actually. 917 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,880 And I do wish there was like a little bit like, I don't know, 918 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,360 instead of them just being in like this random corner of an 919 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,600 empty space. I wish there was like, I don't 920 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,440 know. I don't know what it is. 921 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,760 I don't know what would solve it per SE, but I feel like I wanted 922 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,400 them to be implemented in a more organic way, but I don't know 923 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,200 how it like I don't know if it's part of like a reward or maybe 924 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,560 I'm just looking for a more traditional RPG system and it's 925 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,240 just not there. And that's that's a me thing. 926 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,480 Did you guys, did you guys visit the start menu screen a lot and 927 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,240 like like look at your progression and look at your 928 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:51,400 stats? And eventually, yes, eventually 929 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,440 I did. Occasionally, yeah, the. 930 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,920 The system itself is like big if you've played Final Fantasy 2, 931 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,240 which is the one that we didn't get over here until later they 932 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,880 got we got it on PlayStation and stuff. 933 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,240 But it does this exact same kind of like leveling system where 934 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,120 like it's just use based or we have we eventually got it in 935 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,280 something like like Oblivion, like The Elder Scrolls game. 936 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,520 So you like jump and it levels your agility, that kind of 937 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,520 thing. But that like the, once you 938 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,480 start like exploring the menu and like really honing in on 939 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,880 what it's doing, then it like makes more sense. 940 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,080 Like getting hit like by spells, like increases your defense. 941 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,560 And you know, then you see your defense meter go up as stuff 942 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,600 hits you. And the same with MP, like every 943 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,400 time you use win cutter 2 and like eight of those little win 944 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,240 cutters hit all eight of those give you all the successful 945 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,880 hits, give you MP and then your MP bar, you know, you have a 946 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,480 longer MP bar, let's you heal more, which lets you know, yada, 947 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,680 yada, yada. So it is like traditional. 948 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,120 But once again, if you didn't have the manual or you didn't 949 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,680 like go digging and like really make yourself cognizant and tune 950 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,480 yourself into what's going on. Yeah, it's, it's, it is like an 951 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,800 obtuse way. It's not like, oh, I killed a 952 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,600 guy and I got 3 experience points. 953 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,600 It's I let this enemy beat on me for 15 minutes and I ended up 954 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:19,080 getting like 10 points in the defense and, and three HP and 955 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,240 like it's very like, like Excel spreadsheet kind of stuff and 956 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,640 not so much, you know, a number and, you know, number goes up 957 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,800 kind of stock. Yeah, yeah. 958 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,680 You you get a plus like that you. 959 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,240 Know, by the way, I I remembered something else I didn't like. 960 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,320 There's no mini map. There's a compass, but there's 961 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,400 no mini map and I did have to open up the start menu and like, 962 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,840 it's not it, it's not the first thing. 963 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,640 It needs to be the first thing. I fucking hate that it's. 964 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,760 Like can you just like at least lock it on that screen? 965 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,280 I hate when games do that in general. 966 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,720 It does. It doesn't matter what game it 967 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,320 is. It's like if this is a game 968 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,400 where like exploration or sort of, you know, you have a quest 969 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,680 to go north, you have a quest to go this this many meters or 970 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,120 whatever, like just just make the map. 971 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,360 It doesn't have to be the most detailed thing. 972 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,320 Even in this compass is is something. 973 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,800 But the compass doesn't do anything in in like a cave like 974 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,440 we're looking at right now. It doesn't do anything. 975 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,240 You just look for an open space and you're like, OK, I'm going 976 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,920 to walk this way. And like that's where it's sort 977 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,840 of kind of guiding you to go and that's fine. 978 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,800 But in an open space, like it's just, it could just be right 979 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,240 under or on top of the compass and just be a very basic, here's 980 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:37,280 a house where you started, here's the general area where 981 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,120 you need to go, and that's it. Or. 982 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,360 Press Start and it's the first thing. 983 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,240 Everyone on my stream was just like telling you they're like, 984 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,800 use your compass, use your compass. 985 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,160 And I'm like, it's not instinctual to me. 986 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,840 I'm not used to using your compass. 987 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,600 I'm not going to remember that. Do you also hate analogs? 988 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,080 Go north. I'm like, Oh my gosh, fine. 989 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,280 Jiggy, do you hate analog clocks? 990 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,160 Can you read those? I can read those, but just. 991 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,200 It's such a waste of time when when I can just look at my 992 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,200 phone, 'cause we have an analog. Now that you say that we have, 993 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,720 we have clocks in my office and I will never look at them. 994 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:17,080 I'm always just like. One of the so I'm I'm big into 995 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,520 like print media, like magazine strategy guide, stuff like that. 996 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,000 And one of the things I did last year was destroy one of my 997 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,880 quests prima guides because there was no scan of it online. 998 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,560 And the cool thing about that is the really detailed maps that 999 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,600 are in it. So I, you know, scanned it with 1000 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,680 a crappy Epson like desktop printer and put it up on archive 1001 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,920 so everybody can do. Because that's makes a big 1002 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,640 difference if you're especially if you're just a streamer who's 1003 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,000 just trying to get through the game and have some fun and enjoy 1004 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,160 it with your friends online, Like having the maps of the 1005 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,520 dungeon and having the map the overworld is, is. 1006 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,760 Yeah. And it it makes the game more 1007 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,840 fun. I mean, one of we didn't talk a 1008 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,640 lot about regional differences, but one of the. 1009 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,200 Yeah, yeah. That was, that's something I 1010 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,200 meant to talk about. And then I just sort of, yeah. 1011 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,080 We'll just touch one of the the important things is they on the 1012 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,000 the big map, which you talked about on the start screen is 1013 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,880 they let you have a like oblivion style, like destination 1014 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,520 marker. So you could drop a pin and then 1015 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,920 on the map, you could kind of see which way you were going, 1016 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,600 which is, you know, and the, the the road signs were legible. 1017 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,200 So when you'd run up to them, it would tell you this city is this 1018 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,560 way, this city is this way, this city is this way. 1019 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,320 The Cave is just. That'd be so none of. 1020 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,440 That. Like. 1021 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,760 Yeah, none of that made the the Rush translation over here, and 1022 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:42,840 El Tail came out almost a year later, so they fixed all that 1023 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,600 stuff for the Japanese release. Yeah, it so. 1024 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,200 So tell me, have you, have you played the Japanese release or, 1025 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,880 or? Yeah. 1026 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,520 Is it? On a couple copies of. 1027 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,040 Is it, I mean, there's there's these quality of life things 1028 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,840 like UI and things like that that, that make part of it more 1029 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,680 enjoyable and stuff. But like, does it largely play 1030 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,000 the same otherwise? Like is there a massive 1031 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,480 difference? Yeah, OK. 1032 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,720 Oh, it's mostly the same. There's like there's significant 1033 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:14,560 things like there's critical hits and like like if you, so if 1034 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,880 you end up doing a lot of like staff bonks, like the hitting 1035 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,120 with the staff, there's like kind of a Mario paper Mario 1036 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,440 timed double hit mechanic. So if you like press the staff 1037 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,200 button right when you're hitting correctly, you can get like two 1038 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,720 hits instead of one kind of thing. 1039 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,160 But as far as like mechanically, pretty much the same. 1040 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,600 You got more items from the monsters. 1041 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,760 They realized that they weren't dropping as much, which, you 1042 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,040 know, was hindering people's like progression. 1043 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,200 And they added, you guys saw the end. 1044 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,960 There's a big long like cutscene at the end of the Japanese one. 1045 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,800 It takes about 10 minutes to get through it. 1046 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,400 That gives you like where is everybody afterwards and all 1047 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,720 that stuff. And that wasn't, you know, it's 1048 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,840 just an end screen. There's a translated version of 1049 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,360 it online that you can, you can like read through and see the 1050 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,120 see the screens. It's really cool. 1051 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,120 But all that stuff I think would have helped, like Quest Legacy 1052 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,720 in the Americas, 'cause, you know, I don't want to call us 1053 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:14,040 like simple, but, you know, having stuff handed to us during 1054 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,360 a time when, like, video games were really important culturally 1055 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,840 would have done a lot for people's, like, overall 1056 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,720 perception of the games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1057 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,800 I think that's that's a very good point. 1058 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:32,000 I think it's it's almost like the the Japanese, you said it 1059 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,880 was roughly a year later. It's almost like it's like a 1060 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,160 director's cut. Like it's kind of like that kind 1061 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,600 of thing where it's like, yeah, we realized like, let's add 1062 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,840 these things that we couldn't do or let's make these changes or 1063 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,120 whatever. And then you mentioned this sort 1064 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,320 of time mechanic. I forgot that. 1065 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,920 I sort of looked up that that was the case. 1066 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,480 I instinctually tried to do that when I started playing this game 1067 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,280 on all of the moves, not just the not just the staff hit the 1068 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,080 staff bonk thing. I was like, oh, it feels like it 1069 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,920 like it 'cause it just the way that it's presented, the way 1070 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,480 that the spells work, the way that he hits them with the 1071 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,640 staff, like it feels like it was meant to have that. 1072 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,320 So it totally makes sense that that would be something that 1073 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,800 would be introduced that they would, you know, use at least in 1074 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,280 in some way. I think that could have 1075 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,600 actually, as much as I enjoyed the the battle system as is, I 1076 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,400 found like, I feel like that could have just added 'cause I 1077 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,080 think like we, we've done an episode on it, but Paper Mario, 1078 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,880 for example, is just fucking fantastic and. 1079 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,320 Part of it. Yeah, part of it is that I love 1080 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,600 it. It's. 1081 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,040 Outstanding. You should have loved it. 1082 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,040 And it's still the only one that I've played. 1083 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,400 I need to play the other ones. And, and, and you know that that 1084 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,600 mechanic is in a whole bunch of games now, not just that 1085 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,040 franchise, obviously. So a very big game that's 1086 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,440 amazing. That's out right now. 1087 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,840 As we talked about this uses that almost exactly. 1088 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,400 Everybody needs to go play Expedition 33. 1089 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,400 It's amazing. It's a I'm trying to think like 1090 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,080 what the yeah, you know what, my biggest yeah, just my biggest 1091 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,560 gripe is is the random battles like I just even in Pokémon, 1092 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,520 like early Pokémon, which is I only have experience in the 1093 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,360 first two gens, maybe 2 1/2, even though you have to walk 1094 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,960 through grass in those games. I'm just like, are you like, are 1095 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,840 you kidding me? Like I it just that's not your 1096 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,000 capability. Just not anymore. 1097 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,240 Just not anymore. Jiggy, you, you talked about how 1098 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,800 you have to walk through grass and you know, doing color. 1099 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,000 Did you, did you stay on the roads in this game? 1100 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,480 Because let me tell you, there is a heat like a heat map 1101 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,680 mechanic where if you stay on the roads and in the center, 1102 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,200 like the frequency of the battles is lower. 1103 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,560 And the further you get away from the roads into the grass 1104 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,640 and then to the, the battle frequency is significantly 1105 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,760 higher. So if you're trying to like cut 1106 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,640 corners and get places faster, that really like increases your. 1107 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,320 100% that's exactly what I did. I'd always be the shortest, 1108 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,960 shortest line to my destination. That was me. 1109 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,120 Wow, I did not know that and that might change one of my 1110 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,480 biggest gripes honestly. I mean, it's still 90. 1111 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,400 Let's be clear, it's still frequent and it's still 1112 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,440 frequent. Like even on the roads it's not 1113 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,400 like you're getting like 5 minutes without a a battle 1114 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,560 because you're running on the road. 1115 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,680 It's just a less frequent. Oh man, well, I mean we're 1116 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,920 talking, we're talking, we're talking literally like 3 steps 1117 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,600 and that's Brian steps which are very fast. 1118 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,480 And then it's like another battle and I'm like, and then 1119 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,840 I'll always, I think what it is too. 1120 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,360 It's the combination of not only the frequency of the battle, but 1121 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,000 not having enough MP and you regenerate your MP by running by 1122 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,200 running. So then I'd be like, OK, I need 1123 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,240 to get my MP back up so I can actually, you know, attack and 1124 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,280 battle. I have three MP. 1125 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,480 I've got to escape this battle, escape, walk three steps, gain 1126 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,960 like two more MPA battle. And I'm like, I can't fight 1127 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,520 right now. Like leave me alone. 1128 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,680 And now damn it, one of the thing, it's not a huge deal, but 1129 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,520 it's a little strange that you have all these towns and there's 1130 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,480 no like shops per SE. Like you can't, you can't buy 1131 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,680 items. Items are either given to you by 1132 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,560 MNPC or they're like in a treasure chest. 1133 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,240 And it's just, I don't know that that's one of those things. 1134 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,560 I'm like, if you had a shop and I could like just buy a bunch of 1135 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,920 like, not that I was ever lacking either. 1136 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,720 Like that's another thing. I feel like they're they're 1137 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,840 fairly generous, but I would want the the good items that are 1138 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,040 like 150 health, you know, versus 10 MP. 1139 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,840 Like, I'm not going to use something like there's no 1140 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,920 currency. System at all like there's no 1141 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,240 it's just go in, walk into a walk into a, a a house or 1142 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,640 building or whatever. If someone's in there, they 1143 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,200 might give you something great. Now you got something out of it. 1144 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,840 Walk around that corner. You find a chest great. 1145 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,680 Maybe you'll you'll get something that's that's used a 1146 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,160 lot. Of it and. 1147 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,000 Stuff I like. Chess, I like that, but it just, 1148 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,760 it feels like, it feels like an RPG thing just to have a shop so 1149 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,920 you can like get items or or accessories or something. 1150 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,880 And yeah, it's just give more, give more use to the towns, give 1151 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,680 more, give more use to them. So like it's never like been 1152 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,920 confirmed, but like diegetically because we're creating you know, 1153 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,720 Quest 64 lore as we go through the years here. 1154 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,960 There's not a lot of like development history of the game 1155 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,560 outside of like pictures and like stuff like that. 1156 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,840 But the last boss is Mammon, who is the the brother of hell 1157 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,360 that's associated with greed and wealth. 1158 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,680 So like what we've speculated over time is that the whole game 1159 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,120 is trying to show you like every town is willing to give and give 1160 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,200 with, you know, no capitalism, no currency, nothing like costs 1161 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,200 anything. The end boss is literally greed, 1162 01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,320 you know, So yeah, it could have used money and the sequel, like 1163 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,360 did have a currency like thing in it. 1164 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,040 Obviously it never came out. But like, it is cool to think 1165 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,080 that, you know, everywhere you go people are giving you things 1166 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,440 for, you know, you get the wings to return to the towns for free. 1167 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,960 If you don't have, you know, if you don't have dewdrops or mint 1168 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760 leaves or bread, somebody is willing to give you one for free 1169 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,960 because you are the one that's going on this quest. 1170 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,000 Yeah, it would be traditional to have like, shops. 1171 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,560 But like, like I said, energetically or like within the 1172 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,160 lore of the game, it's it's cool to that like there is no greed. 1173 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,320 There is no like no hoarding of stuff, you know, and, and 1174 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,800 killing a bunch of enemies just to buy more, just to have more 1175 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,600 things and buy more stuff because the end boss is 1176 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,320 literally, you know, the the greediest, most hoardy demon in 1177 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,120 hell. So that's. 1178 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,760 I love that. That's a great. 1179 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,320 I never I hadn't heard that that's I'm going to go with 1180 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,960 that. I like where that's going. 1181 01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,480 That's pretty sweet. You know, it, it's not a it's 1182 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,000 not a massive issue. I don't think either of us are 1183 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,920 are saying that, but it's, it does feel like sometimes like I, 1184 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,720 I think for for me, and I think Jiggy, you touched on it a bit 1185 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,560 too, is, is like, I wish there was more interaction and things 1186 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,920 to to a reason to keep me in the towns. 1187 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,520 You know, whether they were bigger, whether, you know, I 1188 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,320 like meeting people. I like sort of discovering those 1189 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,240 in RPGs and, and sort of not every dialogue has to have a big 1190 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,680 dialogue tree that leads you to a bunch of that site 'cause 1191 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,440 that's totally fine. I will go into a town or an RPG 1192 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,480 and just talk to everybody, even if they're not giving me 1193 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,880 anything 'cause I just like it helps you really like live in 1194 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,760 the world. And some of the characters, you 1195 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,760 know, they, they give you a sense of that you do have an 1196 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,360 idea of kind of what's going on and stuff. 1197 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:47,320 But you know, it's, it's not terrible, but give me a little 1198 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,400 bit more to care about why I want to keep this town safe, you 1199 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,800 know, for example, or why I want to. 1200 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,760 Yeah, I love stuff like that. I love the the concept of NPC 1201 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,880 saying just like stupid things. Like I I would love to just have 1202 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,800 an NPC just go up to and he just says like I like bread and like 1203 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,240 that's it. Like there's nothing else. 1204 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,880 You know, I'd be like, I like that guy. 1205 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,840 Well then, give me some bread. I need some health. 1206 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:11,520 Let's go give. Me. 1207 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,360 Some bread doesn't give you bread, that's the thing. 1208 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,800 Oh yeah, he's the only one that doesn't. 1209 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,360 Give you. Totally unrelated. 1210 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,880 Gives you bread. That guy just likes bread. 1211 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,920 You have to find the Baker to get the bread. 1212 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,840 You can't just talk to the guy that likes the bread. 1213 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,400 Yeah. And he's not even in the bakery. 1214 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:35,240 Yeah, I, I think, I think overall I would still, I, I 1215 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,200 think we sort of touched on it a bit, but I, I would, I'd 1216 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,680 recommend people check this out. Like I, I don't think that that 1217 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,640 you're going to, I don't know that a lot of people are going 1218 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,320 to say like, oh, this was the greatest RPG experience I've 1219 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,080 had. But I don't think it's, it needs 1220 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,360 to be like a lot of these games that we've played have some 1221 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:58,560 pieces of them that are, you know, it's, it's imperfect, but 1222 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,920 So what even games now have tons of that. 1223 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,080 So embrace what this like offers for you. 1224 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:10,760 I think it just does take some getting used to if you haven't 1225 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:15,280 played a game that is 1 of this era, 'cause I'm sure there's 1226 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,160 some people listening to this or that have seen the game or seen 1227 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,880 yourself like online that that don't have experience with a lot 1228 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,440 of games from this time. This. 1229 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,760 I don't know. Would you say, Mike, that this 1230 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,280 was like, this could be like a good starting off point? 1231 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,440 Or would it be something like, oh, maybe it's after you've 1232 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,000 played a couple RPGs of the era, then move on to this? 1233 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,320 Because I feel like it has a vibe of that, but I don't know 1234 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,920 if that's the way to go or not. I mean, I just not like I've 1235 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,200 never seen anybody post that Like Quest is baby's first RPG 1236 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,920 or something like that. Sure. 1237 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,440 OK. But I mean, honestly, I mean, 1238 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,600 it's a good like starter RPG, but I would think you would get 1239 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,120 more enjoyment out of it, especially like exploring the 1240 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,560 leveling system and the combat mechanics and all that stuff. 1241 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,720 If you have your foot, you know, in the pool already had played 1242 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,440 some, some other some more, some more traditional, especially 1243 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:16,480 like 2G2D, like Super Nintendo or Nintendo RPGs or Sega RPGs. 1244 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,800 But it's not a requirement. I, I, I think anybody can pick 1245 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,680 this game up and enjoy whether you like RPGs or not. 1246 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,000 But I also think you could be immediately turned off before 1247 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,240 you even get to the first boss by, you know, getting getting 1248 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,400 your ass handed to you before the 1st, you know, before you 1249 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760 get to Dondran or Mel, you know, like it. 1250 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,600 It just you can be that way for some people. 1251 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,280 Yeah. And it doesn't click with you 1252 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,200 then and then you decide you never want to pick it up. 1253 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:46,120 And I get it, like it, it so I, I don't, I suggest it to 1254 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,480 everybody, but I suggest a lot of Nintendo 64 games to 1255 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,080 everybody. It's it's part of who I am. 1256 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,440 It's like if if you haven't, I get it, you don't like sports 1257 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,680 games, but like if you haven't tried things like, you know, NBA 1258 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,680 Hang time or you know, international superstar soccer, 1259 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,960 like you're missing out on some like really cool period piece 1260 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,440 video games and like a whole branch of like history. 1261 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,800 Like you don't have to be in the simulation sports to play a game 1262 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,960 that's, you know, well put together and mechanically fun 1263 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,160 and stuff. So and with Quest, even if 1264 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,320 you're not into RPGs, maybe the vibe will click with you and 1265 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,280 they can just be a vibes thing. That's fine. 1266 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,280 Yeah, I, I think I got that's me. 1267 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,080 And not that I dislike RPGs, but like I said before, it's not, 1268 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,640 it's not the first thing I go to. 1269 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,360 Like, I don't gravitate towards them and say I just need to dig 1270 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,280 into a, you know, whatever, However long hours, hours of an 1271 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,120 RPGI just have that itch. I never really do. 1272 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,960 But when I give them a chance and I, and I play them a little 1273 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,440 bit more or, and I just say, like, I got, I got, I'm going to 1274 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440 put myself into this. And a lot of the time it works 1275 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,240 out, you know, but it's just not the first thing that comes to 1276 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,520 mind, so. For me with with RPGs in 1277 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:05,640 particular and the reason why I kind of like this one, RPGs tend 1278 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:12,080 to be really over complicated and explain everything in like 1279 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,160 the first like 20-30 minutes. It takes forever to get. 1280 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,160 Going, it takes forever to get going and like start into the 1281 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,520 game. This kind of throws you in and 1282 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,920 you're just like you're there and you got to figure it out. 1283 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,680 I appreciate that. I like that more because I don't 1284 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:33,000 like when you have tutorial, tutorial upon tutorial and it 1285 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,600 just keeps going. And my instinct when that 1286 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,560 happens is to skip it. And I'll be like, if I play for 1287 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,400 like an hour, I'll probably figure it out. 1288 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,120 And if I can't figure it out, it's too complicated and I don't 1289 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,960 want to play it. And I have. 1290 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,000 Like you guys played poker battle yet? 1291 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,880 Has that been on the on? The no, that's, I mean, it's on 1292 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,480 the docket, but I've never played it and I just hear it's 1293 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,640 like the deep N64 RPG. That's all I know. 1294 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,400 Godspeed to you guys then be the first hour of the game is 1295 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,120 literally a tutorial. So do you need it like to be 1296 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,960 perfectly honest to understand the game? 1297 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,120 If you don't have like a like a fully wrote out beginner's guide 1298 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,600 from a friend that's played it, you need that first hour of the 1299 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,439 game. But it is hot. 1300 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,720 Like you can be, you know, 30% done with Quest 64 by the time 1301 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,840 Ogre Battle 64's tutorial is done. 1302 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,840 Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's it's a trend with adding so many 1303 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,040 mechanics in RPGs. That that's what it is, is it's 1304 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,600 it's sort of adding and adding that and you're right, that's 1305 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,760 actually a really good thing. I mean, maybe that's that's 1306 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,840 something we should have said like off the top, is that off 1307 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,800 the top? This game does just say like, 1308 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:48,040 hey, this is the situation. Go yeah, go, go down get get out 1309 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,960 of the castle and and figure it go and then hope there's a 1310 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,040 thief. OK, go. 1311 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,279 And it's just one sort of like lead you to a boss to another, 1312 01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,880 to another and stuff. And all that is is good. 1313 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,960 I like that that approach, that approach that this has is it 1314 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,160 feel like, yes, it's an RPG, but it just feels like like even 1315 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,520 more of an adventure game. I don't even know if that's 1316 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,240 really makes sense to differentiate them. 1317 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:17,000 But, you know, a traditional action adventure game is get in 1318 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,359 there and get shit done. Whether it's, you know, fast 1319 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:21,760 pace or slow pace doesn't really matter. 1320 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,240 That's what this is sort of presenting in an RPG sort of 1321 01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,800 shell, I guess, in a way. Yeah, Yeah. 1322 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,560 I think, I think that's good. I think that's a good thing. 1323 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,399 So it's good. The only thing we haven't gone 1324 01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:35,840 to, I wanted to. I don't know if this is the 1325 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,479 right place to do or not, but the music, the music's awesome 1326 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,399 in this game. I found the music to be one of 1327 01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:41,520 the best parts. I loved it. 1328 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,120 I don't know if you guys have the same feel, but I want to see 1329 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,160 if this is this. I can't remember exactly all the 1330 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,439 music but. Oh yeah. 1331 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,480 I can't hear it, but I'm just going to trust you guys that 1332 01:09:57,480 --> 01:09:59,680 it's great. Probably holy playing some of 1333 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:06,560 that. But yeah, Mastanici Amano, the 1334 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,360 composer of this, is like, he'll really like prolific composer. 1335 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,120 He's like done stuff, yeah, on video. 1336 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,360 This is his only like Nintendo 64 video game credit. 1337 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:21,600 But he did like Onamisha 3. He did a bunch of other video 1338 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,280 games and then he was he did music for Evangelion, like the 3 1339 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,080 + 1 movie and for some of the Berserk anime episodes. 1340 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,000 And he's like all over the place, did some Quinn Tarantino 1341 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000 movies and stuff too. It was it was cool that they had 1342 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,520 such an experienced composer in the game. 1343 01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,280 And I, I have this. I love the music so. 1344 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,560 It's great. Every time the battle started, I 1345 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,880 was like, yeah, here we go. It was. 1346 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,400 It's good, It's good. Yeah, that was one of the things 1347 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,400 that I was like always. I was, you know, Mike, you 1348 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,120 mentioned a little while a vibe. It's always vibe in the music. 1349 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,240 I was always. I like the sound effects, the 1350 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,600 music. There's all the sound design in 1351 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,200 this is really good. Some of it sounds simplistic, 1352 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,440 but I I don't mind that at all. Like I just, it's fine. 1353 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,520 I don't care if it's just a little ping when you find 1354 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,240 something or a little ping when you set off a you know, he 1355 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,520 opened the chest a little sort of. 1356 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,600 Also the animation of him opening chests is fantastic. 1357 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,920 He just smack just. And it's quick. 1358 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,720 And it's quick. It's Alzheimer. 1359 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,600 Yeah, yeah. It's, it's he's got, he's got 1360 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,880 more muscles behind those arms, these tiny little arms than we 1361 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,560 thought. He just and boom. 1362 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:27,880 Oh. Yeah, it's absolutely. 1363 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,240 And that stick is so durable. Crazy. 1364 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,120 Right. So much abuse and it's just not 1365 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,120 a scratch on it. And it it it doesn't break when 1366 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,080 you use it too many times. Weird. 1367 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,440 No, not at all. How that's like, you know, weird 1368 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,800 how how in RPGs that just doesn't doesn't happen 1369 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:44,560 sometimes. I don't know. 1370 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,560 I don't know about that. I didn't didn't realize that 1371 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,120 back then. Everything was just made more 1372 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,800 durable I guess. The good old days I feel like. 1373 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,440 I just don't make them like they used. 1374 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,120 To they just don't make them like they used to. 1375 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,440 Mike, I know that that your, your sales pitch to a lot of 1376 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:04,880 people is like, yeah, you, you, you should play this game. 1377 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,200 You should give it a shot and stuff. 1378 01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:12,720 Do you, do you feel like, like I know that you have a lot of love 1379 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,920 for this game and stuff? Is is it one that you feel like, 1380 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,520 Oh no, this also just holds up? Or is it just like, just try it 1381 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,280 and give it a shot? Like is there something extra 1382 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,320 there? Or is it more just like, you 1383 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,680 know, this is just just go for it? 1384 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:33,000 I'm so I'm kind of like a naysayer for people who say 1385 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:38,040 that, you know, I art doesn't, you know, it doesn't hold up. 1386 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,480 Things don't like a or age well, or I guess is the way that you 1387 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:44,680 hear it with a lot not really my thing. 1388 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,760 I, you know, I totally believe like, you know, I don't want to 1389 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,240 call this game the Mona Lisa, but like the Mona Lisa, you can 1390 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,960 tell it was painted, you know, over many years ago. 1391 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,720 Or, you know, you can watch the original Star Wars movies from 1392 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,600 decades ago and know that they were made, you know, 40 years 1393 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,840 ago and still enjoy them without being like, oh, these, you know, 1394 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,280 these practical effects don't hold up to today's stuff. 1395 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,720 You know, the, I'm, I'm a big proponent of, you know, meeting 1396 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:15,360 a game where it's from, you know, meeting a game on its own 1397 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,960 terms. So going back to Nintendo 64, 1398 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,280 yeah, I, I think it's great holding up. 1399 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,480 I think it plays like a Nintendo 64 game. 1400 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,920 Like if you're, if you like Nintendo 64, there shouldn't be 1401 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,600 a bigger pitch than to like play more Nintendo 64 file games. 1402 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,240 And we're getting, we're seeing that resurgence now with ES1 and 1403 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,840 N64 graphics coming back into games like like Crow Country and 1404 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,560 like KIRO Quest just came out. With Mark. 1405 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,680 Kirkos But I mean, people have nostalgia for this. 1406 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,560 I'm not blind to my own nostalgia for the system or this 1407 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,400 game or 90s and stuff. Like I obviously like it more 1408 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,560 than people who didn't live through it and play through it. 1409 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:06,320 But there's still something for, if you like video games, like I 1410 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,800 would think that you would like want to go back and see why, why 1411 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:15,400 platformers and this, you know, like so Jiggy's games, Donkey 1412 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,280 Kong and and Banjo, like why, why are those so popular in the 1413 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:20,640 90s and why don't we have them now? 1414 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,960 It's because that was that was the thing that was the that was 1415 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,200 the environment, that was the games we played. 1416 01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:28,000 And this is just one of those games. 1417 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:33,000 It's a very like Nintendo 64 coded traditional RPG that's got 1418 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,120 a lot of that same aura to it. Yeah, yeah, it's got that's that 1419 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:41,320 late late to mid 90 or mid to late 90s sixty 4 vibe with this 1420 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,800 awkward generation of of consoles and games and there's 1421 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,320 something to be experienced there that is that is great, 1422 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,360 which is exactly what we're going going through games like 1423 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,040 this and stuff. Jiggy I I think you're kind of 1424 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,680 on the same page. Let's check this game out right. 1425 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,440 Let's. Yeah, absolutely. 1426 01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,400 I think, yeah, I think you should go play it. 1427 01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:04,160 I think you'll you'll be like me and going in with the 1428 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,640 expectation that it's not one of the worst games on N64, which 1429 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:12,480 why do people say that? I just I like I can there's 1430 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,800 certain games I could be like, OK, like you can justify this. 1431 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,360 Like Sonic O 6 is like the the like I was so hyped for that 1432 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,200 game that was the biggest let down ever because it's a glitchy 1433 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,040 mess. I can't do anything like the 1434 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,960 demo was better than the actual game, but this is a game that I 1435 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,920 played through. I played in its entirety. 1436 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,880 I got to the end. I I don't see why people rag on 1437 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,440 it so much genuinely, I it, it plays fine. 1438 01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:40,840 The graphics are good like music's great. 1439 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,280 It's got a nice story it's charming. 1440 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,520 I I think it's worth a shot. Am I gonna go replay it 50,000 1441 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,960 times? No, but I don't regret playing 1442 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,240 through it. I think it's worth the play 1443 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,400 through. So yeah, give it a shot, 1444 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,640 especially if you like N64, like he said that was that was the 1445 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,480 best. Like you like N64? 1446 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,880 Play this game. Add this to the list. 1447 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,240 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 1448 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,520 Before we get out of here, Mike, if anyone hasn't found you 1449 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,600 online, if, if you're on other shows, if you're doing other, 1450 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,040 you know, you said June is a big month for Quest 64, all that 1451 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,800 stuff. Once you don't, you plug your 1452 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,840 work out there. Yeah, I don't do a lot anymore. 1453 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,760 It's mostly just Blue Sky right now. 1454 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,080 Yeah, Quest 64 official on Blue Sky. 1455 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,840 I try to just trying to change the the gaming discourse. 1456 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,240 I guess I'm an an algorithm manipulator. 1457 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,720 I like to make people look at the things that I'm listening to 1458 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,920 and the things that I want to want people to see. 1459 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:41,200 It's just trying to make things more positive, getting the good 1460 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,360 podcasts out there, getting people playing games. 1461 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,120 It's kind of my passion before I get too burnt out with being 1462 01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,600 online and disappear forever. I'm not making any money from 1463 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,440 any of this. So once again, just like the 1464 01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,280 game, it's all vibes based. I'll just disappear. 1465 01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,600 Nobody will ever hear from me again. 1466 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,800 But yeah, June is is quest diversity. 1467 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,840 June 10th is the anniversary of the game. 1468 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,120 It'll be 27 years this year though. 1469 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,520 There'll be lots of I got lots of people streaming the game. 1470 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,760 It's some some rather big name streamers coming on to do some 1471 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,200 stuff. I just did 2 episodes with Pixel 1472 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,760 Project radio. Rick Firestone over there did a 1473 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,520 great job putting up with me for like 6 hours of Quest podcasts 1474 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,880 to do, like in depth story Beat looks at both of the N64 and the 1475 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,480 Game Boy Color RPG games which just released today when we're 1476 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:41,040 recording. But I don't know when this 1477 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,880 episode will come out, but it'll already be out then. 1478 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,720 So but yeah, lots of stuff going on. 1479 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,160 We'll have lots of giveaways this month. 1480 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,760 I'll be giving away a bunch of copies of Quest and promoting a 1481 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,200 bunch of other stuff. And then in July, I disappear 1482 01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,640 for a couple weeks and that's it. 1483 01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,040 So as as you should take a load off, man, Take a load off. 1484 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,520 It's all good. Yeah. 1485 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,040 And Jiggy, you're busy as as usual, I think. 1486 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,320 As I always say, right? Oh absolutely. 1487 01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:13,840 We're wrapping up Mumbo May, finishing off actually tying it 1488 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,520 in sort of with the GBA episode we did with the Banjo Grunty's 1489 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,440 Revenge. As of as of this release, that 1490 01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:23,360 would be already out. So if you want to play and 1491 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,000 listen to us talk about the two Banjo Kazooie GBA games took a 1492 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,280 little detour into Handheld land, we talked about those. 1493 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,640 Yeah, long, but you get you get the analysis and discussion on 1494 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,520 it. And then I did a, a mysteries 1495 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,000 video on, well, I'm, I'm doing a mysteries video. 1496 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,080 By the time this recording comes out, it'll be out Grunty's 1497 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,520 Revenge Mysteries. So that'll be pretty fun. 1498 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,400 Just kind of make some cool connections there. 1499 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:52,760 And finishing Mumbo May and jumping into Jumbo June and just 1500 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:57,040 continuing it 'cause I loved it. And I will be doing some switch 1501 01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,600 to content though I will say that much 'cause I'm pumped for 1502 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,360 it. I'm excited. 1503 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,280 So she's gonna be out. Nice. 1504 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,000 Good times. You can find remember 64 on if 1505 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,600 you're listening to this, you probably know that it's on 1506 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,800 podcast feeds, of course, so you can find it there. 1507 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,400 YouTube as well, video versions of all these episodes. 1508 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,280 If you are listening to this, you can check out that things 1509 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,160 that we're referencing that we're talking about and look at 1510 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,800 our beautiful faces of course. And also just random videos that 1511 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,320 I come up with like Mike with his meme extraordinaire on his 1512 01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,600 account. Every once in a while I come up 1513 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,680 with a stupid idea in the middle of the night and I'm like, hey, 1514 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,960 I'm going to make a really silly video out of that and I do that 1515 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,880 or it'll be short clips from episodes and things like that. 1516 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,840 So you can check that out on YouTube as well. 1517 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,280 Remember 64, of course, you can support the show at 1518 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:46,120 patreon.com/remember 64 show every single episode you can get 1519 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:51,280 early and you can make sure that you, you know, have a little bit 1520 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,080 of extra content here and there when I can find the chance and 1521 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,000 have the energy. But kids, am I right? 1522 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:02,680 So yeah, that's that's pretty much and and work God life. 1523 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,440 But we got we got a plan. If if you're, if you haven't 1524 01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:09,760 checked it yet, check on socials as well. 1525 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,720 Remember 64 show mostly blue sky Instagram every once in a while 1526 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,240 on Tiktok as well. That's where you'll find it. 1527 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:20,040 And got some pretty good games coming up as well after after 1528 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,480 this one. So some racing games. 1529 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,880 Looking to try to get perfect dark in at some point as well 1530 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,200 but. Another rare game? 1531 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,040 Let's. Yeah, another rare game, but 1532 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,680 yeah, a lot of good stuff coming up in the next couple of months, 1533 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,600 so stay tuned. And Mike, thanks so much for 1534 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,560 joining us and putting up with our experience through this 1535 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,600 game. No thanks for having me, it was 1536 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,000 great. Jiggy, we'll talk to you soon. 1537 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,080 Thanks everyone for for listening and watching and catch 1538 01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,200 you next time I remember 64 Ciao. 1539 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,920 Let's be do the the outro.