1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,600 It's gonna put some butts in the seat. 2 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:07,700 Welcome to remember 64 where this week. 3 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:10,900 We become the New World Order, brother. 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Welcome to remember, 64. Welcome to the show, everyone. 5 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,200 My name is David. Angelo and if I ever go 6 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,700 Hollywood, I won't be calling up the hulkster. 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,600 I'm going with staying baby. Yeah, that's just a somewhat 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:47,000 vague quip about her level 21 games, WCW versus n wo World 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,400 Tour and even more specifically WCW NWO Revenge, a new guest 10 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,500 will be joining the show momentarily to talk about the 11 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:56,800 game and I'm very excited to have them on. 12 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:59,700 It was his idea to play these games and to play Revenge 13 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:03,200 specifically and it's going to be a blast to talk about before 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,200 that though. Always can check us out. 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,600 Patreon.com slash remember 64 show where you can get all these 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,500 episodes days. 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So thanks very much for that. 27 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,200 And without further Ado, let's bust out the history books, 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,100 everyone I'm learning. It's time to head back to 29 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:48,600 November 1997 and October of 1998. 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,700 Now, admittedly like some other sports games and wrestling 31 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:56,400 games. There's an a ton to go off of 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,200 when it comes to the history of the development of the games 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,600 themselves. But WCW versus n wo World Tour. 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,100 Was thq's first attempt at making a championship title game 35 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:10,100 for the N64. Console. 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,100 It was also the North American version of virtual pro wrestling 37 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,000 that was released in Japan and also featured some WCW 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,600 characters. But I'm not going to dive too 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,900 too deep into that as Japanese titles. 40 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:26,200 Like this will likely be something that we will be 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,900 covering on, remember 64 as the show continues. 42 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:32,100 So look out for that. Now, speaking of the roster and 43 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:35,300 characters in it Hall of Famer, Ric Flair is a somewhat 44 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:37,600 surprising addition to World Tour because right around this 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:43,300 time, he left WCW to go back to the WWF and became a Hall of 46 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:46,200 Famer from there for years and years to come all this. 47 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,600 While the two companies were battling it out for Monday night 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,400 wrestling Supremacy. More on that in just a second 49 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:55,300 virtual pro wrestling to which is the sequel to The previously 50 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:59,200 mentioned game in Japan, also known as the predecessor to WCW 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,700 NWO Revenge. All of these games are all being 52 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:05,000 made around the same time and build off of Ideas, as time went 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,200 on. Now Revenge was released less 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,000 than a year after World Tour in North America and really tries 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,700 to throw the player into the epic battle between the two 56 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:15,400 groups. We are going to talk about that 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,800 more in a moment but there was more going on around WWF and 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,400 WCW. It wasn't just about what the 59 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,300 show was itself. So to catch you up briefly, at 60 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:29,400 least a little bit. This was essentially the battle 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,500 for Monday night, TV ratings throughout the 90s. 62 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:46,700 Yes. They've got their show in the 63 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:49,800 can their shells been taped later tonight. 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,100 Mick Foley, who wants wrestled. Here's Cactus Jack is going to 65 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:56,000 win their world title. Now, WWF reign supreme, for the 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,400 most part for years, but incomes WCW, and Eric Bischoff who 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,900 creates a type of direct competition. 68 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:05,200 That really hadn't been seen in years. 69 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:09,100 The sports entertainment fan base became more and more splits 70 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:13,300 and this was more than They Coke versus Pepsi type of rivalry. 71 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:16,600 This was to juggernauts fighting for money, TV time, and 72 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,899 ultimately talent that would make them the Victor. 73 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:23,600 In the end, long story short wrestlers like Hulk Hogan made 74 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,700 their way to WCW and even became what is called a heel or a bad 75 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:31,200 guy with Hogan doing that. I mean, anything can happen on 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,600 WCW, why wouldn't you want to watch it moves like this made 77 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,500 the Monday night Wars. A spicy addition to an already 78 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,400 spicy as hell, entertainment, Venture Inn. 79 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,900 Pro wrestling on TV. Now that's a very, very basic 80 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:48,100 and short way of going through it, you can definitely find more 81 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,400 detailed and more knowledgeable people to talk about it. 82 00:04:50,407 --> 00:04:52,000 But that's essentially what it came down to. 83 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:54,900 In the end though, it mostly ended. 84 00:04:54,900 --> 00:05:01,900 When this happened, Vince McMahon purchased, I own my own 85 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:06,200 competition for the first time ever and sports entertainment 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,600 history. This broadcast is not only being 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,900 Here on TNN. It is also being seen across 88 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:22,500 Turner, Network television Time. Warner is practically begging me 89 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:27,400 to buy WCW and I have agreed. All right, back to the games, 90 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,400 both of these titles, both World Tour and revenge sold, great on 91 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,300 the Nintendo 64 Revenge, placing 27th all time for the console 92 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,500 and Wilt or not far behind at 37th. 93 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:45,000 A total of mated, 3.2 million copies worldwide between these 94 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,300 two games. To put that in perspective, 95 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Revenge alone, sold more than the Heavy Hitters. 96 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,800 Like the first two Turok games Kirby 64 Mario Golf and Paper. 97 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:04,300 Mario, remember 64 is proud and, oh, so happy to be a part of the 98 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:08,200 Tokyo. Beat podcast Network, Alex. 99 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Hi. I'm Ray. 100 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,600 How would you explain our show? No more. 101 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,700 Are you a nerd having trouble transitioning from your 20s to 102 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:16,800 30s to 40s and Beyond age? With us? 103 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,800 Not at us, Mardi gra, but blow. Are you tired of the man? 104 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 Keeping you down. If you see something, say 105 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,000 something. Do you enjoy the family? 106 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,100 Computer capsule Computing? We got them all. 107 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:31,300 No more Whoppers. We out live to the queen. 108 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,200 She said it couldn't be done. No I'm fading. 109 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Come back. I can't do this alone. 110 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Do you enjoy number munchers and his numbers? 111 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,700 What you call? Then listen to No More Whoppers, 112 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,600 only on the Tokyo beat Network. All right, let's move on to 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,400 welcome our guests. Let's talk about the N64 and 114 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,100 these awesome wrestling titles WCW and wo World Tour and 115 00:06:55,100 --> 00:07:27,000 revenge. All right, as always everyone to 116 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 remember 64, it's time to have a special guest on. 117 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,700 And this time, I am very, very excited to have an old friend 118 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:35,800 from the back. In my day podcast, he's been a 119 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,200 guest on that a couple times. I was a guest on the GameCube 120 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,200 was cool podcast at least once I think. 121 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:46,900 But but Mike is here bike, welcome to the show. 122 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,600 How are you, man? Thanks Dave. 123 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,100 I'm doing great. And I'm glad to be here to talk 124 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:56,100 about a console, that's not the GameCube, that's not the case. 125 00:07:56,100 --> 00:08:00,400 Exactly, I have had your, your co-host from the think a few 126 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,200 podcasts on a couple of times. As we've said, I've said with 127 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,700 Neil, I feel like every time I've had them on, it's been a 128 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:09,000 racing game. So he's almost like the racing 129 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,500 guy. So next time you get to a racing 130 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:14,700 game, I might have to have it back on but you guys also have 131 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,100 as of this recording, you guys also have something exciting 132 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:19,200 coming up because you did an awesome thing. 133 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,900 You actually It wrapped up the GameCube library and went 134 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:26,500 through every single game, which is amazing. 135 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,300 And if anyone wants to listen to it, the GameCube was cool. 136 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,200 Podcast is so much fun. These guys did such an amazing 137 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,900 job, go back and just find the game. 138 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:37,799 You want to our series of games, you want to listen to they got a 139 00:08:37,808 --> 00:08:40,600 covered which is great but now that that's over you guys have a 140 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,299 fun New project coming up in 2023. 141 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:45,100 Let's let's talk about that a little bit. 142 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:47,400 Sure. Yeah we're going to be talking 143 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,100 about a bunch of other games. And movies and albums and kind 144 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:54,200 of doing similar stuff for you guys do. 145 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,400 I'm back in my day, just talking about, you know, Nostalgia and 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,900 the podcast going to change the name. 147 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:02,500 It can't just be GameCube is cool anymore, unfortunately. 148 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:05,500 But it's going to be unlocking. What was cool. 149 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:07,100 So things are still going to be cool. 150 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:10,200 And yeah, we're just going to go back on some Nostalgia, gonna 151 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,900 focus on mainly that era late 90s, early 2000s, the era of N64 152 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:16,400 and GameCube because that's what we know. 153 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:18,100 That's what we want to talk about. 154 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,200 Our first episode is going to be Kirby's Return to Dreamland. 155 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,300 I know that's not an early 2000s game but we talked about we 156 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:28,600 would always bring that that game up a lot on the show 157 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,100 because there was not a real Kirby game on the GameCube and 158 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:34,900 we were always lamenting that and return Dreamland was 159 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:37,400 supposed to be a GameCube game and it just kept getting pushed 160 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,200 back and eventually was on the Wii. 161 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,300 And of course, there's the deluxe edition that's coming out 162 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:43,400 for the switch very soon as well. 163 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,400 So that's gonna be our first episode. 164 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,200 And we'll also have some revisit some, the GameCube episodes, the 165 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,600 early ones. We did when we didn't know how 166 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,000 to podcast yet. So just just getting started. 167 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,200 It's all good, man. That's that's fair. 168 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,500 That's awesome. Honestly, I'm excited. 169 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,800 I'm happy. You guys have awarded yourself a 170 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,300 few months off which is nice. To like, we were saying before 171 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:05,200 we record, it's good to have just a little breather every 172 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,800 once in a while, and, and it's cool man. 173 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,600 It's exciting to get that started. 174 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,800 So I'm happy for you guys. That's a lot of fun. 175 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 So so check that that out. What's the name of the podcast 176 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,700 again? So everyone can hear it 177 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:18,800 unlocking. What was cool unlocking? 178 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,900 What was cool will be Coming up later this year in the spring of 179 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:23,900 2023. If you are hearing this before 180 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:26,700 that and if you he ran after, go find it on your podcast for you. 181 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,300 So, okay, let's get into the N64. 182 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,500 As I always do with new people that are on the show, what's 183 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:38,000 your experience with a Nintendo? 64 Neil has told me there's 184 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,300 mixed feelings about it between the two of you and between 185 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,300 yourself and and just sort of how things were growing up 186 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:46,400 around that time. Let's, let's talk about it. 187 00:10:46,408 --> 00:10:50,000 What's your experience the N64 before we dive into some Saline 188 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,600 action. Sure. 189 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,400 So, so, the running gag that Neil and I have a lot, is the 190 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,400 fact that I hate the N64, and now, that's kind of came. 191 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:04,000 Welcome to the show kind of game for me, just not having as much 192 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,700 of experience with the N64, and, of course, I actually don't hate 193 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:08,600 it. I actually really like the in 194 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,500 support. I think I was a little jealous 195 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,400 actually, because I didn't get to have won my first Home. 196 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,600 Console was the GameCube. I didn't have home consoles 197 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,300 before that, my parents were really into Just the handheld 198 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:22,900 stuff. They didn't really want me 199 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:27,200 playing a lot of games at home in front of the TV or something 200 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,300 about being in front. I know. 201 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,500 I know, I hear ya. I mean, I have a gay boys and 202 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:33,000 stuff too. So it's like here. 203 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,200 Yeah, I was five years old and I had a Game Boy, like, you is, 204 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:40,400 that's amazing. Yeah, but they cared about the 205 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,700 TV stuff, so, great. I only got to play in 64. 206 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:47,000 It friends houses, I didn't actually know Neil when the N64 207 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,200 was said at the time, but I lived It's like down the street 208 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,400 from a kid and his older brother and they had an N64 and of 209 00:11:55,408 --> 00:11:57,500 course, was a classic older brother has all these violent 210 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,500 video games and all these other things over and play them and 211 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:04,300 you don't tell your parents. And, and that was my experience 212 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,000 kind of growing up. Initially was, was playing and 213 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,700 64 at friends houses and it was really strange to me with the 214 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:13,400 controller. Like that was the biggest thing 215 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,800 that really kind of took me for a run. 216 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,000 I was like, what is this? I don't have to, but she holding 217 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,500 a Gameboy and then going to that Yeah, it was, and I had played 218 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:23,600 the PS1 a little bit, too, like, right on. 219 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,500 And I'm just like what this is so strange, like, why are there 220 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:30,600 three hands here? But I we played Smash Bros, that 221 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,400 was the main thing we would play over there and we played 222 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,400 wrestling games and the one that I specifically remember is 223 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Revenge and I remember because I was really really into wrestling 224 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,800 at this time I probably played it in like 2000 when wrestling, 225 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,300 I was 8 years old. This like the most hype you can 226 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:49,600 be as an eight-year-old is playing wrestling games. 227 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:52,100 And watching Monday, Nitro and Monday to. 228 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:54,500 Yeah. So it was like that was like our 229 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:58,800 life and I don't really remember a lot of other games on the N64 230 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,000 other than like Star Fox and some of the other ones, but I 231 00:13:03,008 --> 00:13:05,900 didn't really even go back to the NCC were very much either. 232 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:10,200 As I got older for one, a lot of the games, as I'm sure you are 233 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,600 realizing and has you're playing them are kind of tough to go 234 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,700 back to with the back Enos. It's a very good Miss. 235 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:17,900 It's very hit and miss. Yeah. 236 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,700 Because there are yeah, of course some Like Conkers Bad Fur 237 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:23,100 Day that are so much fun to go back to you today. 238 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:26,700 But a game like GoldenEye in my opinion at least is actually not 239 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:31,700 that fun to go and play during a because it's there just are 240 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,100 especially in the shooting. Genre like it just comes so far 241 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:37,600 and it's hard to go back 25 years. 242 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,600 This, there's this big and big or or just set standard at a 243 00:13:41,608 --> 00:13:45,300 certain point and it's hard to, it's okay to go a little bit 244 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:47,400 further back, look, even the GameCube games like it, you 245 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,700 know, there's a way to go back to those and It's, it feels 246 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:53,000 pretty damn good. Even with a controller that may 247 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,900 not be. That is that feels a typical 248 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:58,100 now. But like there's a certain level 249 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:00,700 of standard of feel and play there. 250 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:02,900 So I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 251 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:05,000 Yeah. So it's, it's, it's funny to 252 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,700 like kind of go back to a couple of these games now, as an adult, 253 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:12,400 going playing on the N64 online service on the switch, which no 254 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,700 WWF games are on, which is 90 said about playing stuff. 255 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:19,500 Like pilot wings of this game is so good, like yeah. 256 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:22,700 How good this game is as hard as a very hard game. 257 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,900 And, and the difficulty levels that you kind, of forgot as a 258 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:29,000 kid, like, playing Majora's Mask, I remembered one the 3D's 259 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,800 after had playing it at my friend's house and somehow 260 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,700 beating it like I can't. I'm like, how did like 261 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:39,100 eight-year-old me have any idea? How to play this game? 262 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,900 No, especially that hard. Especially yeah. 263 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,700 Yeah. So it's really funny to go back 264 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:47,400 to like, NCC for nowadays. But yeah, that's kind of my my 265 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,200 history with it. It's not a large history. 266 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,700 I've only Played maybe about 10, or 11 games on. 267 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,900 Yeah, before and and I don't hate it, it just wanna just got 268 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:57,600 to make sure that that's covered. 269 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,600 Yeah, no, that's funny. Hey, you gotta, you gotta own 270 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:03,100 it. You gotta just run with the 271 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:04,900 running gags, you just gotta go with it. 272 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:06,200 That's fine. It's all good. 273 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,200 Like, for me, my whole thing is, I mean, I it's probably not the 274 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,400 best Mario Kart game but I think the best Murr, I quote, unquote, 275 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,500 think the best Mario Kart game is the first one but really, I 276 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,800 mean 8 is the best one like You really look at it. 277 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,300 Like telling this Nest version is very hard today, especially, 278 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:28,100 if you did not grow up with that like really, oh, I just got. 279 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,300 Yeah, I just think I have so much Nostalgia for me. 280 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:32,600 It's just like jumps up all these seats. 281 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,900 It is that fair? Probably not. 282 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:36,800 But here I am. Whatever it is what it is. 283 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,500 All right. Let's talk wrestling man. 284 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:45,000 Because there are a decent amount of wrestling games by THQ 285 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,100 Aki. The companies that the put a lot 286 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:51,200 of these games together on the Nintendo 64, not all of them, 287 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,100 but most of the ones that you would think of one of my 288 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:56,400 favorite games of all time is WWF. 289 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,300 No, mercy. I think that is like the 290 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:02,100 Pinnacle of wrestling games. Almost pretty much of all time. 291 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:05,500 So I'm always comparing wrestling games to that. 292 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:08,500 It was the one that I died at the time. 293 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:12,500 I think it costs, 80 or $90 for the cartridge and that was one 294 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:13,900 of the games. Like you were saying similarly 295 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,300 we're your parents. Wouldn't you know, want you to 296 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,500 sit in front of the TV or have like certain rules when you're a 297 00:16:18,508 --> 00:16:20,800 certain age? They Want me to buy wrestling 298 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,200 game. So they said, if you really want 299 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,700 to, you need to get the money for that and to get together 80 300 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:31,800 or $90 when your whole the site the time, maybe 13. 301 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,400 Maybe when I came out, roughly around there like that, it's not 302 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,400 easy. You know, how many, how many 303 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,100 loonies I found on the on the school in the school parking lot 304 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:42,300 but whatever. I put it together and I got that 305 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:46,000 game and I loved it but there's a lot of choice out there and 306 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,300 this WCW, I guess there's a pair work. 307 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,300 I played a little bit of both but World Tour and revenge are, 308 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,100 you know, the predecessor in the sequel. 309 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,500 But revenge is mostly what we're talking about here. 310 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,900 Because I will say right now that if you compare, the two 311 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:05,000 revenge is the go-to, it's got to be like, it's just it just 312 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,400 improves on everything that World Tour was. 313 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,800 Whether it's the music, whether it's the way, the characters 314 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,000 look, whether it is the ring, what characters are in. 315 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,400 It also changes obviously because it's like a year later. 316 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:23,000 So the roster changes, So you said, you played this a lot WCW 317 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,200 NWO Revenge, you know, what was this? 318 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,200 I guess it was over at your friend's place where you doing 319 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,200 lots of the multiplayer action. I guess that's pretty much what 320 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,400 it was. That's basically all we played 321 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,200 but just multiplayer tag, team played, I would sometimes like 322 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,100 myself, clear the cruiserweight ones because I knew all those 323 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:43,500 guys, I was one of the big reasons I want to play that nice 324 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,400 but like, for me, it just was it was interesting to go back and 325 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,400 look at the history of WWE. You see W and just kind of go 326 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,300 back to that time when there wasn't the Monday night Wars, 327 00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:58,600 for a couple of years there because I remember watching 328 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,100 Monday, Nitro a lot. My, my dad was really into 329 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:06,400 wrestling but like not in like a not in like a way where he would 330 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,800 take me to wrestlemanias and stuff. 331 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:10,100 It just was like, interested in it. 332 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:13,000 Yeah. And II was like, I was like 333 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,800 doing research, you got me down a rabbit hole when you a great 334 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,900 come on this episode. Hey, I did the same thing I did. 335 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,200 Did a lot of research and like it was really interesting about 336 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,100 like Nintendo's own relationship with wrestling because there's a 337 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:33,000 lot of exclusive wrestling games on not only the N64 but also the 338 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,700 GameCube to had four or five WWE. 339 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:39,100 I guess at the time. Yeah, whines on. 340 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:41,800 Just for the GameCube exclusive, which is yeah, pretty crazy to 341 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:42,900 me. I remember when we were doing 342 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:45,600 those episodes, I was, I was pretty surprised and yeah, 343 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,500 looking at the NCC for when we have no World Tour, we have wars 344 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:50,800 Zone. We have Revenge. 345 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Obviously we have attitude attitude. 346 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,600 Nitro Mayhem backstage, assault Wrestlemania 2000. 347 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,200 No mercy. And most of those were actually 348 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,100 exclusive to. Yeah yeah, yeah, pretty quietly. 349 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,300 Yeah. And I was like, looking, I'm 350 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:07,000 like why like, why was this? Yeah. 351 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,300 And, and from what I could find, one of the big reasons was that 352 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:14,900 Nintendo consoles had such a large user base among younger, 353 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:18,000 kind of children and teenagers, which was the demographic for 354 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,500 wrestling games and wrestling in. 355 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:23,200 Earl and 64. In particular had just such a 356 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,600 large library of these kind of like family friendly games 357 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,700 almost and it was very appealing. 358 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:31,600 I guess the Publishers who wanted to have wrestling games 359 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,000 targeted towards that kind of audience I guess. 360 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,000 So just the control scheme like having exactly that. 361 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,400 That controller even though it's a weird-ass controller for three 362 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,700 hand, and the people, it actually worked really well for 363 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:46,700 the kind of like Combos and almost Button Mash and that you 364 00:19:46,708 --> 00:19:50,200 would end up having to do. It's amazing how Well, it works 365 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,700 because like I think the intuition is for most people I 366 00:19:53,708 --> 00:19:55,400 would say it's like oh it's got a joystick and I'm going to put 367 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,300 my hand on the joystick but really you're playing with the 368 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:01,400 d-pad, right? Yeah, I default to that because 369 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,100 I'm just so used to it from when I was younger. 370 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:05,400 So like it's fine for me to pick up this game and be like, Oh, 371 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,500 I'm just going to use the d-pad because I just assumed that's 372 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,900 what the controls were. Even though, I think I have, I 373 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:13,800 had very, very little experience with the WCW games. 374 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:18,400 But I knew that it was made by the same company as the ones 375 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,300 that I loved from. Wrestlemania 2000 and no mercy. 376 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:24,100 And I'm like, well, I'm just gonna, I'm just pick it up. 377 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:25,500 I'm gonna play the d-pad and like Gap. 378 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:28,300 Boom, jump in and that's it. But so easy. 379 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,800 It's so easy and it rocks. And I think you're right. 380 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,700 Actually, I wanted to touch on the point where you're like, the 381 00:20:32,708 --> 00:20:37,400 Publishers wanted to make sure like this was the console that 382 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,800 they were sort of gearing for or shooting for. 383 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:44,100 And just the fact that there are four controllers, just the fact 384 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:48,900 that you have tag teams you know every week competing, it's a 385 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:51,200 perfect. Excuse to have four players, and 386 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,200 four people sitting and playing your game. 387 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,700 It doesn't matter if they all own the game or they all, or 388 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:59,700 just one of them does, like, you can go and have a good time 389 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:02,100 regardless. Because there's always, it is 390 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:04,900 always a way to have all four controllers involved if you 391 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:07,600 wanted to. So I think that's in itself 392 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,000 completely works. So this is, it's huge. 393 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,900 Yeah, did you have you said you recognized a lot of the 394 00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:17,000 characters? A lot of them were wrestlers was 395 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,900 their go-to or a couple of go twos Of course. 396 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:24,800 So yeah, I kind of had different go to use depending on what you 397 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200 know, Clay and I guess we were in I guess you could say because 398 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,100 there's sixty three characters. I think in this game, that's one 399 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:34,900 of the things that blew my mind as a kid was, it's really wild. 400 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:38,500 You have to remember I had just come from playing Smash Bros and 401 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,400 C4 which at the time had nothing. 402 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,300 Yeah. So I was like, that's a lot. 403 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:49,700 Like and then you go to this, which is just stupid the amount 404 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:53,300 of People in this like and and even though today, I'm looking 405 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,200 at the list, I'm like, oh my God, it's like the name drops 406 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,700 her crazy because you kind of forget who WCW had the time. 407 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:02,100 Yeah, this is we're kind of all over the place too, and of 408 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:04,200 course, the NWO stuff that was going on. 409 00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:09,700 But for me, I would always do how come Hollywood Hogan and the 410 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:14,000 time, because I just, I knew him from watching old wrestling 411 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,400 videos that my dad had. He was a big Hulk Hogan fan. 412 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,100 He loved Andre the Giant as well. 413 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:21,600 So he has like the, the WrestleMania whatever. 414 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,000 That was when he like opens slams, not one. 415 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,400 I thought was just like they might be one. 416 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,100 That's gonna say, I think, actually, it's well. 417 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:30,300 And so I always really liked Hulk Hogan growing up and I had 418 00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:32,100 my little Hulk Hogan action figures. 419 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:35,600 I was a big fan of the Big Show as well. 420 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:38,900 Yes, picture was so good. Usually, they're taking on the 421 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:42,100 Andre, the Giant Persona almost is the Giant in this game. 422 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,500 Yeah, Macho Man. Randy Savage. 423 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,400 Again, all goes back to Hawk Hogan with their kind of view 424 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,500 that they were having. In. 425 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,900 I forget the whole thing but he became Hollywood because he was 426 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,700 like, fighting really? I don't know. 427 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:59,000 I don't know, thinks. I mean this is, is it really 428 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,200 matter? I mean, it's like, we gotta make 429 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,500 Hogan bad, I do know some of the rabbit hole that I went down. 430 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:07,200 Obviously, this is less about the game than it is about, just 431 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,400 what happened was that? Like they asked sting to be him 432 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,500 essentially. So either the company wanted to 433 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:16,900 pick, either him or sting to be, they offered it to either them, 434 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,500 to be the bad guy, to be NWO, essentially, or the Leader of 435 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,600 NWO and sting said, no, he's like hell, no, I'm not doing 436 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,700 that. So it's kind of strange feel 437 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,900 like it would, it would yeah. Suit him a little bit, but it is 438 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:34,800 interesting that I think it's more interesting than when you 439 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,300 really think about it. That Hogan did it because he was 440 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:43,200 always for 15 years leading up to that point the, like the good 441 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,400 guy like he is, you know, eat your Wheaties, good guy, Hulk 442 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,900 Hogan, right? And then all of a sudden, he 443 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,700 just turns It's so the exact storyline reason. 444 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,400 I can't pinpoint. Exactly why. 445 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,100 But he just, I mean that's usually what happens when 446 00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:00,300 there's like a heel turn like unless someone I don't know 447 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,700 punches you in the face it's like I just I'm just going to be 448 00:24:03,708 --> 00:24:06,500 bad guy because F this but that's fine. 449 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,500 It's mid 90s, it's fine. The one character that I also 450 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:14,200 played as for because those are all NWO ones I was mentioning 451 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:14,800 there. Yeah. 452 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,600 CW CW one that I played as the most is definitely Diamond 453 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,000 Dallas Page do yeah. He be only because he was 454 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,300 actually one of the cheapest ones you could use because he 455 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,400 had three different versions of his Diamond Cutter. 456 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:31,900 Oh, I didn't know that our fault. 457 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:34,600 Yeah, crazy, huh? That's awesome. 458 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,500 Yeah, that's, that's the other thing with these with these 459 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,900 games, all of them really is that the finishers were always a 460 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:45,500 ton of fun, you know, I think the sort of energy bar, or 461 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:47,800 Spirit bar, depending on, which one you're playing at. 462 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,500 Yeah, yeah. I think the We have funds were 463 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,800 energy and then this one was Spirit like, yeah, but every 464 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,200 time they did it like I put, so I played both, I played World 465 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,300 Tour and played Revenge. Definitely spent more time in 466 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:01,400 Revenge for sure. Just because it just felt better 467 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:06,800 like some of the moves, like even even like simple ones like 468 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,700 Hogan's big boot or a choke slam or whatever felt like a little 469 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:15,700 bit off and World Tour and then just like, you know, 11 months 470 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,900 later when this game came out, they really like fine-tuned all 471 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:22,400 the animations Everything was much more accurate and like, oh, 472 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,600 wow, this is automatically, I felt like my first match. 473 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,800 I just played, who did I play as? 474 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,700 Oh, Rey Mysterio jr. Which by the way, Rey Mysterio. 475 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:34,300 So hell yeah. I'm going to just do that. 476 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,000 I love us. I always loved the high-flying 477 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,000 characters in these games are just all the WCW for ones. 478 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,400 I believe they were. Yeah. 479 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,100 And that Clump. Exactly. 480 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,600 Yeah, so I was like, oh, I'm gonna try him and recognized 481 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,700 probably a couple of his moves from you know, later, WWE WWF. 482 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Stuff. But that match lasted like three 483 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,600 minutes. I just played some random kind 484 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,600 of this whatever. But the like all the moves felt 485 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,400 better my automatically like. Wow, this is just a whole other 486 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,300 thing. So the the the funny part I 487 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:08,500 think I played at one point against, I remember what 488 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:14,100 Guerreros kid's name was. So it's, it's not Eddie jr. 489 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,700 Is it? No, no. 490 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,900 It's I literally had it up here. Oh yeah. 491 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,800 Chavo Chavo Chavo. Chavo Guerrero. 492 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,400 Yeah, so he walks out with a t-shirt that says, my favorite 493 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,100 wrestlers Eddie Guerrero. Yeah. 494 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,000 This is amazing. I don't remember if that was 495 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,500 actually a shirt that they wore anyone War like this alert, so I 496 00:26:31,508 --> 00:26:33,500 didn't recognize him when he first walked out of. 497 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:35,900 Like, that's a great t-shirt and then the name popped up on the 498 00:26:35,908 --> 00:26:39,100 bottom, I'm like, this is genius, I love it, so funny. 499 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:44,400 So yeah, so how did it feel playing the game? 500 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:47,400 Like now like, dude I know we sort of said, like, you know, 501 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,300 the controls work and everything but did it feel Feel like it 502 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:53,900 made sense, and if L feel good to kind of go back to it, this 503 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:56,500 many years later, honestly, it did. 504 00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:57,900 And that was really surprising to me. 505 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:02,200 I was like, kind of because it was one of those things that I 506 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,700 had a bunch of friends. I remember going to University, 507 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:09,100 and one of the things we were talking about was games, 508 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,800 obviously, and one of those like ones that you would always bring 509 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,400 up, would be like WCW, like Griffin's. 510 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,200 Like that's like, the game. And like, it's so good and you 511 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,900 just like, kind of like, keep that going. 512 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,900 Right? And without planning it, because 513 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,600 you're just in your head, you're like, it's a great game. 514 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,700 I don't want to spoil it and because sometimes, you think 515 00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,800 these games are great, you go back and like, oh yeah, this is 516 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,000 terrible. 100% 100%. But this was the seamlessness of 517 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600 the controls was the biggest thing for me that I was like, 518 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600 wow. Like this is, this is so easy to 519 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,300 just pick up and play and I find a lot of these. 520 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,400 Even the GameCube games that I would go back to. 521 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,500 I had to like, go into the settings and modify everything. 522 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,600 So, try and get myself Myself in the zones. 523 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,100 Like play it like a lot of shooters for GameCube error, for 524 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:58,100 example, all use, I forget, I think it's called like the south 525 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,800 paw control scheme where it's like, you are moving the wrong. 526 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,800 It's like the c-stick is the one that's moving the camera and 527 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,300 yeah not moving you. Yeah. 528 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,800 It just like it's all reversed, right? 529 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,200 Yeah. He's Call of Duty based in 530 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,000 revolutionize, the entire thing, right? 531 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,400 And I was kind of waiting for this for for revenge and I was 532 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800 like oh wow like I know exactly what to do the d-pad. 533 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,600 Like yes, like so good on here. R and L do Same thing. 534 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,500 It's just like everything's yeah. 535 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,300 And it was, it was weird. The muscle memory like clicked 536 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,900 right away. I had so much fun playing it the 537 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,400 world. Like the one thing that I 538 00:28:29,408 --> 00:28:32,500 actually didn't remember. Yeah, not being in there was 539 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,700 commentators. There is no commentators. 540 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:36,700 I forgot that. Yeah, it doesn't have 541 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,400 commentating. It doesn't have it. 542 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,500 Yeah, because I think no mercy. Does it does not, it does mercy. 543 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,600 Does not know. So, that's the other thing I was 544 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,700 sort of looking. Does I forget which one? 545 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,800 I don't remember for Wrestlemania. 546 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:54,500 Does World Tour did not? But there might be or is there's 547 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:58,400 one with j.r. and I was like oh my God like right. 548 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,400 Like this is why I like playing wrestling came to. 549 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,100 Yeah, here today. Are you scream? 550 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:03,600 Yeah, I know it's tough. Yeah. 551 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,800 I know. Know know, yeah, 2000 might have 552 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,900 it but but no mercy didn't. So that's the thing, I kept 553 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:14,300 comparing things to No Mercy which I, you know, again is to 554 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,400 me is like the Pinnacle one. So it's sort of a hard 555 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,400 comparison also came out like three years two years after this 556 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,300 one. So it's Of course, they're going 557 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:25,400 to advance it but I was a little disappointed but again compared 558 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,400 to No Mercy but like the sort of like quote-unquote story or 559 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,900 Championship modes are just like match after match after match 560 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,700 whereas with no mercy. It's literally like like a 561 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:39,700 timeline where if you win you go left, if you lose you go, right? 562 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:43,300 And it just goes back and forth and it's like this story that 563 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:47,400 you can unlock depending on how you do and who you face and you 564 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,800 know there's all these different matches that are thrown into it. 565 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,600 There's like quote-unquote cut scenes where the guys are 566 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,600 chirping, each other and like, all that stuff is so awesome and 567 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,100 it changes when you win a championship, the next time you 568 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,300 go in, if you want to play as someone else, you can fight the 569 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,700 person that you just want. As, or you can go and the story 570 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:09,800 resets itself as the champion. So there's like multiple layers 571 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,700 to it. So I expected like, like, maybe 572 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,200 some cutscenes here and there, between little bit of dialogue, 573 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,000 but really, it's just like guy after guy. 574 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,600 After guy comes out and whatever. 575 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,800 It's funny because it just keeps going like that. 576 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,000 That's, there's nothing wrong with that, but but I was like, 577 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,200 oh, I wish there was just like a little bit more, because there's 578 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,000 also no character creator to, which kind of kind of sucks in a 579 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,400 wrestling game. That's, that's huge, I find, but 580 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,800 it's also hard to give them too hard of a time because of when 581 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,300 this game came out and what they're capable of fitting onto 582 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:45,100 this cartridge. So I you have to perfect the art 583 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,900 a little bit, I think until you get there. 584 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,900 So I'm not going to, I'm not like Pissed about it. 585 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,400 I just didn't notice the difference I guess is what I'm 586 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000 saying. Now, it's fair and I think no 587 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,700 mercy is very much a product of what WWF was trying to do, which 588 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,700 was the focus on the storyline. Yeah, we're WCW was always 589 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:07,000 about, just like the raw, I like Talent, the rods just like 590 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,800 fighting each other, which they always said during the show's. 591 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,000 It's like, we're the best. And like, well yeah, their ass. 592 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,700 And yeah, and you, you do feel that like compared to No Mercy, 593 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,000 I think. At least at the multiplayer is 594 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,400 still better. And Friends. 595 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,200 There is no mercy. Yeah, because it just like, it's 596 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,500 that pick-up-and-play, it's that the fluidness of it. 597 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:27,900 It's hard to. Like I was trying to think, 598 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,200 like, I'm like, how can I word this properly, because anything 599 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,700 like what makes this actually better, but I just think the 600 00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:35,800 fluidness of it. The fact that you have like 601 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,200 everyone in this roster here. Yeah, the fact that like, for 602 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,400 me, a big thing was, was going, you know, to my friend's house 603 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,200 when I was like, eight years old, picking this up and playing 604 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,500 it and never, having to having played a wrestling game or 605 00:31:47,508 --> 00:31:50,300 something before this, and I think that's a huge Thing. 606 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,300 Yeah, with this game is the fact that you could have like your 607 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:56,100 little cousin come over and play this game and have a fun time. 608 00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,900 It's an ease of use thing, like it is, and it's a great game 609 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:03,600 where it's easy to learn and also, you know, hard to master, 610 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,200 right? Yeah. 611 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,500 And it gives that that level of difficulty where it's okay. 612 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,500 Well, you know, I could like screw around in the ring and I 613 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,400 do some fun like high-flying acts and I can go and like grab 614 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,800 stuff from outside the ring and hit people with it's like 615 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,100 whatever. That's the fun stuff that I can 616 00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:21,000 just like fool around with ya. Then there's like the other 617 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,300 level of like, okay, like I can actually get pretty good with 618 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,100 these characters. I can get these combos down, I 619 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,000 can get their moves. I, they actually all have a lot 620 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,600 of different moves. Yes. 621 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:35,100 And finishers to, there's a huge and again, 60 characters. 622 00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,800 And they all have like, so many different moves. 623 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,100 You're probably thinking of like 300 developed moves at this 624 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:42,800 point that have to go into this game. 625 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,700 So a lot of effort was spent on actually, making them pretty 626 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:47,400 true to themselves to. Yes. 627 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,900 And that was like, for the time The 98 like that's crazy. 628 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,700 Yeah. It is it really is like it's 629 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:58,400 like wrestling in any form. A lot of it is the outrageous 630 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,300 personalities. If you don't have that with 631 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:05,100 voiceover which they didn't or couldn't do what the game or a 632 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,200 series of these games, you got to do that in some other way. 633 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,000 Whether it's the way they look the way they move all of that 634 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,800 stuff like has to add up to that not only so you know who you are 635 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,900 you can recognize them play your favorite wrestler and everything 636 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:21,600 but like just all of that sort of And together is great. 637 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200 I think you're right. I think a lot of that goes a 638 00:33:24,208 --> 00:33:27,100 long way in the presentation. Like, it doesn't mean that it's 639 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:31,000 perfect, but it's like, it's it has that feeling to it and it's 640 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,300 hard to pinpoint exactly what it is. 641 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,700 But it's definitely there in this game. 642 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:42,700 And I wasn't the largest WCW Watcher or fan at the time when 643 00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:46,600 this game particular came out. But just as this was coming out 644 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,100 in just after is, when I started watching wrestling and being You 645 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,800 know, huge fan of the rock and all that kind of stuff like that 646 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,000 was. That's that's what I what I 647 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,200 loved. So also the way the game looks 648 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,200 and feels is a big part as a career just saying, but the 649 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,800 graphics are something for sure that you wanted to mention 650 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:14,300 because I like it's a huge jump in one year it is and it's like 651 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,900 you know if anyone's listening this and they were watching like 652 00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:18,900 footage or they like look back on this game. 653 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Like, you know, 25 years old. So yeah, it looks rough 25 years 654 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,800 later but at the time this was crazy. 655 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,699 This was so realistic compared to other wrestling games over 656 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,400 out there. Yeah, like World Tour. 657 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,400 I'm talking about revenge, so World Tour, which is just a 658 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,100 year. I think you said the 11 months, 659 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,100 but 11 months November, and then October, it's like what? 660 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,699 And it's just like, yeah, the faces are like melting like 661 00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:46,800 ride. It look like like like crappy 662 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,400 action figures. So honestly, there was a couple 663 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,100 guys Like like even like someone like Ric Flair who is like very 664 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:58,400 obviously Ric Flair just look like you know they just smudged 665 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000 something on the screen and we're just like sure he's got 666 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,800 white blond hair, let's back that he's wearing tights. 667 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,800 Sure let's say he's Ric Flair. Yeah, I mean the moves made 668 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,400 sense in both in World Tour, he's not in Revenge but and what 669 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,700 the moves that made sense, the music can set all that stuff but 670 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:18,500 like unless you knew who Ric Flair was like you were just 671 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:22,000 playing some guy. Yeah, 100%. 672 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,700 Yeah and that's what's another the crazy thing is the fact that 673 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:28,200 they were able to develop the graphics in less than a year to 674 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,800 really stand out and and you like like looking at it again it 675 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,100 looks a little rough but you know who everyone is. 676 00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:35,700 Yeah. Well, not like as soon as you 677 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,600 see it as even in the ring, you know, immediately you're like 678 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,200 okay but like I know who that is. 679 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,700 I know that's DDP like I yes I know that's that's how can I 680 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,400 know? That's a Ray Mysterio. 681 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,200 Like it's yeah, it's easy to kind of Point these guys out and 682 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,800 even like And there's even like a bit more complicated ones. 683 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,400 Like Sting, you know, he's gonna have all his makeup and stuff on 684 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,700 or like, no Burgers. Like this. 685 00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:59,000 Like, I don't like there's, there's, there's a lot of effort 686 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,300 that to have to go into this, especially with the costumes to 687 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:04,900 everyone has, at least two, or maybe three, gosh, thanks. 688 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,600 I think to 24 is the at, like, I think it's for, because it's 689 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,300 like, some of them are just color changes, and okay, that's 690 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:12,700 fine. You know, a lot of the 691 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:15,800 characters in real life. They did not necessarily change 692 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400 all that much. But like, you know, a couple of 693 00:36:18,408 --> 00:36:21,400 them have a jacket on A couple of them don't, you know, it's, 694 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,100 but you can also go ahead and so big one. 695 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:25,200 Like, that's the one. I think. 696 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,400 I've, right, where the his yellow jumpsuit, you know, his 697 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,300 tights or whatever that he had at like that. 698 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:32,500 That's this iconic. Look, which is classic 699 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,700 Hulkamania look. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 700 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,400 So, and I think that was the look, I picked every single time 701 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,200 I played as I know, that's the thing. 702 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,800 I always have. Go choose for certain 703 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,400 characters, so I'm like, no, I like this one. 704 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,700 No, I like this one. I know that somebody typically 705 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:47,200 were, but I don't care. I like this one. 706 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,500 I'd same thing with no mercy. I did the same thing all the 707 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,100 time. I was just like yeah you know if 708 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,100 I played a stone-cold I had the best on every time as opposed to 709 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,000 going with our statites or have to have them that they have to 710 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,100 have the knee brace. Like he just you had to have 711 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:00,700 that on right? Like for what reason, I don't 712 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:03,100 know, just because that's what I thought I recognized. 713 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,500 Yeah. And and and all of that though 714 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,400 like its true, like everything looks very polygonal and 715 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,300 pixelated and you know, all of that, sort of chunky, like 716 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,900 everyone's very chunky, you know, especially if you're a 717 00:37:14,908 --> 00:37:19,800 bigger guy like Goldberg Hogan, you know, giant like Big Show. 718 00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:23,500 All these guys Nash like all these guys look very look, like 719 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:29,200 like, literally like a, like a polygon or a, you know, just a 720 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,900 square, just sort of piled on top of each other or whatever. 721 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:35,600 But it's okay. Like it just, it gives them a 722 00:37:35,607 --> 00:37:39,400 distinct look and makes them look big and buff and sort of, 723 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,100 in their character and it again, they get all those little 724 00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:43,800 details. Right? 725 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,000 Sure. They're pixelated, you know, 726 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,500 Goldbergs tattoos on his arms and stuff like, yeah, they just 727 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,300 look like Like sort of black polygons and black pixels and 728 00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:55,900 everything but like you know it's Goldberg because it just 729 00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:58,700 yeah stands like them. He looks like them his face in 730 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:00,400 Revenge looks a lot more like him. 731 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,000 So it's all of that stuff is super fun night. 732 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,300 I love these red like these wrestling games in general. 733 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,500 Are just I like that they're not perfect with the way that they 734 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,000 look honestly. Like, I think that there's like 735 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,800 a personality to that and as like a little bit of a charm to 736 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,700 it, you know, that imperfection is something. 737 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,800 That there's something there. I don't know what it is. 738 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,400 I know what the word is, but there's something there. 739 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,800 Yeah, no, no charm. Charm is the word for this game. 740 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,900 I think as a whole it's you can't not have fun playing it. 741 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,200 Like you're never going to have a bad time picking this game up 742 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,700 no matter what mode you pick. If there's there's the Monday 743 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,600 Night Raw obviously and they're sold out. 744 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,800 There's superbrawl bash the beach. 745 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,900 How is the beach? - the beach is a fun one. 746 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:54,100 They're all fun and like honey. Yeah, but it's just a fun game, 747 00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:58,100 and it's honestly, just looking a wholesome good time for 748 00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,300 wrestling. Yeah, it's seriously. 749 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:06,400 As it's like, I think it makes it so good as well, thinking of 750 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,600 it today because wrestling games kind of suck. 751 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,500 Now, I am absolutely sad. It's really hard to get a good 752 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:15,100 one, man. It really is. 753 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:19,200 It is, and it's, you know, some people kind of say they're like, 754 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,600 well, you know this, Game is so good because it was, you know, 755 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,000 very Arcadia, the time. And that's like what you kind of 756 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400 like to play when it's the arcade Enos of wrestling because 757 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,800 that's what wrestling kind of is. 758 00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:29,500 Yeah. But I would kind of disagree 759 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:33,400 with that because this game doesn't go fully that arkady 760 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,400 sense. I'm just like you bash people 761 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,900 and they fall down and like it just gonna go flying off the 762 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,800 mat. Yeah, there's like I was saying 763 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800 before their skill in it, there's massive that you have to 764 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,900 get into this case. There's timing and everything to 765 00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,700 like, reversals and blocking and all those, that's all timing, 766 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:51,100 it's all about and Sort of managing like where you going to 767 00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:54,200 do your damage to the guy's head is arm as leg, like all those 768 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,300 little things, it's easy to it can be easier or easy ish to 769 00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,600 just stumble upon that. But, that's a good thing, you 770 00:40:02,607 --> 00:40:05,700 know, he's do that by accident, like, oh, he's holding his head 771 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,300 now because I did a few, you know, clothes lines or whatever 772 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,100 it might be or Capaldi DTS or sounds like, oh, okay. 773 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:13,800 Now, I understand that. I could, I wonder if I could do 774 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,800 that to the guys leg next match and like, I think that's great. 775 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,500 I think, you know, there's a visual aspect to that At that 776 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,900 it's instant understanding. Like you said, if you've never 777 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:27,000 played this before or a game like this, boom, you got it. 778 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,900 You look, you can get it in 5 minutes honestly. 779 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,500 Yeah, which is great. And it's a big thing to look for 780 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,600 me. When I was a kid playing this, 781 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,100 like I had played Street Fighter and like, Soul Calibur. 782 00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:41,200 And honestly, most of those games, I just Button Mash, I 783 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,000 kind of need some combos, but it was mostly button mashing. 784 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:48,700 And this like, going back to it again like this this week and 785 00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:51,300 playing it. I was like Like yeah, I actually 786 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,200 know how to use these controls. Like I don't have this is a 787 00:40:54,207 --> 00:40:57,500 Button Mash like meets it and I remember what I'm doing here, 788 00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,600 that's a cool. There's a there's a sense of 789 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,900 Pride with that to that. Yeah. 790 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,100 It's like oh, what I'm doing is actually like in, like like 791 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,100 inflicting and like changing what's going on on-screen 792 00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:08,400 instead of just like, mashing building. 793 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,600 Oh, something happened. He's down. 794 00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:10,900 Yeah. And there's something magic 795 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:12,700 about that playing multiplayer, too. 796 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,900 Because like I think I bet if me and you sat down and person and 797 00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:20,200 played a one-on-one in this, like we're playing We would be 798 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,000 playing this mental game with each other of like what move 799 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,100 should I do next and everything? I know that's a fighting game in 800 00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:30,300 general, like I get that but like there's something about it 801 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:33,600 with these because there's something about the way that you 802 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200 grapple when you're going to time to punch or kick when you 803 00:41:37,207 --> 00:41:40,400 might run, if you're gonna, you know, turn the guy around, if 804 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,900 you're going to him, when he's on the ground, like, all those 805 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,700 little things that come into play and again, yes, fighting 806 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:48,900 games have all aspects of that in different ways, but like, I 807 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:54,300 remember playing Lane this game obvious for me was more so 2000 808 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,900 and no mercy. But games like this, which very, 809 00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,800 very similar controls if not exactly the same which by the 810 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,000 way, this is what perfected it. So you're not going to get no 811 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,700 mercy, which I love without this game. 812 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:09,100 So revenge is, is the, is this the predecessor without this, 813 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,700 you get none of that playing against people and it being 814 00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:17,300 intense without us. Actually, like, saying really 815 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,300 anything to each other because we were just showing Do it. 816 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,900 And I feel like if we sat down and did it would be the same 817 00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:24,200 thing they'd be like, yeah, yeah. 818 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,300 Fuck you. I got together. 819 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,800 All right. No. 820 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,200 Don't hold your head already know. 821 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,100 Yeah. Submit know every time. 822 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,700 Yeah. It's pretty silly. 823 00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:45,700 Meanwhile the palming it that's that was the trick upon the the 824 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:47,400 joystick. You would get a faster. 825 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,400 Yeah. So there you go. 826 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,000 Little trick. If I don't speak it, This game 827 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600 up just mess around with a joystick while you're on the 828 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,200 ground. If you're like, if it's one of 829 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,700 those long 15-minute matches which in these games is like 830 00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,400 pretty long. That's that's, you gotta do. 831 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,400 Yeah. I was surprised at how quick 832 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,300 some of the match. I felt like a lot was happening. 833 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,700 Then the match was over like, oh, that was only six minutes so 834 00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:07,700 crazy. Okay. 835 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,900 But it's fun because because that that that flow like you 836 00:43:12,908 --> 00:43:16,000 were sort of explaining before is there from start to finish. 837 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,500 So it's a pretty, it's pretty solid in that way. 838 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:22,000 So I like that. Anything we've missed about the 839 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,500 game or games. I don't know. 840 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:28,400 Look we got it. We got most of the time most of 841 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,500 it like you you kind of mentioned the Cons with the fact 842 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,600 that the championship wasn't great in terms of just fighting 843 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,700 everyone. It's fun. 844 00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:37,400 It just doesn't. Yeah that's all yeah that's all 845 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,500 that was one of my cards I had here too. 846 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,800 Yeah I this was just because I played Hogan a lot. 847 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,200 I always wished Hogan's finishing move is the leg drop 848 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,200 and some his little poke in the eye thing. 849 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,300 Yeah. That was a bit of A letdown for 850 00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,400 me because I really liked him growing up. 851 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,100 Yeah, and the commentators, like I said, I wish this game just 852 00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,900 had commentating, but, you know, no games really had that kind of 853 00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:00,800 voice over at the time, so I get it. 854 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,400 Yeah. And even then it would probably 855 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,100 pretty minimal and be pretty repetitive after a while maybe 856 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,600 when we were younger. We wouldn't really care. 857 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,800 But like, what would they fit in there? 858 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,200 Like 25 lines and like, that was at sure, that's a good point. 859 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,400 So it's good point. So it's fine and them. 860 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,000 You know what? Oh, that's the other thing 861 00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:18,000 before you even start any matches, I don't know if you 862 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,800 were if you re watch the intro. Of course, I did. 863 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,900 What in Joan. It is. 864 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,800 Okay, so literally because I like, yeah, because it's it's I 865 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,400 mean I love the No Mercy one. I love that song. 866 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,700 I Love The Way They sort of. Like everything's so sort of 867 00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:34,300 Dynamics and like, oh I I'm curious I do not remember the 868 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,800 Revenge one at all. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch this I 869 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,100 sat there. This thing is over five minutes 870 00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:45,300 long, it is so long. It's a weird intro to because 871 00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:49,000 like at the intro, the intro because it's like this pickup 872 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,600 truck. Coming along from Atlanta and 873 00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:55,500 it's I don't who's driving it. But I know that's thing is 874 00:44:55,500 --> 00:45:00,000 they're saying is there with with a burning barrels and yeah. 875 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:12,800 Yeah, like what? And then just so good and then 876 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,300 it goes for another four minutes. 877 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,500 It's a crazy Sizzle reel. Yeah, it's awesome. 878 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:26,900 It has like so many it goes on for so long because like show 879 00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:28,100 all these different moves and whatever. 880 00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,400 And I'm not saying this is like a - it's just, it's cool. 881 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,000 How they put such a big thing together and really try to like, 882 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,600 hype it up and whatever, and then they, then they show like 883 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,200 NWO. And then they show the different 884 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,100 WCW guys. And, you know, I think they're 885 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,700 trying to sort of like show the story a little bit. 886 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,700 Yeah. And then at the end you just get 887 00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:48,200 like the freeze frame of Hogan and sting he's looking at each 888 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,300 other like oh I want to see Them just like punch each other or 889 00:45:51,308 --> 00:45:53,400 something. But yeah it's but it's cool. 890 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,300 The music was fun. Yeah yeah. 891 00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:56,400 Yeah. Just get you thinking to get you 892 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,100 to play it. Yeah, but it's like I know that 893 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:00,900 I know that. No mercy. 894 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,400 One is at least a few minutes long. 895 00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:04,700 Maybe it is. Also five minutes, I don't know, 896 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400 but I was sitting there going like, this is, yeah, that's 897 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,300 pumping me up. I'm good? 898 00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,100 Yeah, let's go for it and then I looked at it. 899 00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,300 I was like, holy shit. That was almost six minutes ago. 900 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,600 And I saw that, that truck come down the road. 901 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,600 Like, holy shit. It was good though, man. 902 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,500 I love it. They're having fun. 903 00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:21,700 That to, right? Like that's the thing, like, you 904 00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,800 could tell that the developers are just like, all right, we're 905 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,000 just gonna, we're gonna crush it with this video. 906 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000 We're just going to put some awesome like rock sort of. 907 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,500 I don't even know what you would describe that kind of music 908 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,200 really, just get all. Yeah, yeah, a new metal. 909 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,100 It's probably what it is. Yeah, Nu metal with no lyrics. 910 00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,200 Yeah, it's essentially what it is. 911 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,300 All right? So WCW games, I would say, if, 912 00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:51,100 if you have World Tour, Lying around or C copy of it. 913 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,100 You'll have fun. But honestly if you have a 64 in 914 00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:58,600 you want to pick up either of the of these to WCW NWO games 915 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,100 just search for Revenge. Instead I would say I think 916 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,800 that's that's the way to go and every aspect of the game. 917 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,100 I think it's just an improvement so it's worth the extra couple 918 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:11,000 bucks. It's worth the clearly legal 919 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,700 download. It's worth the going to search 920 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,800 for it in your parents attic. Like whatever revenge is 921 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,100 awesome. So Matt, thanks for suggesting 922 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:23,700 the game. These, these were only somewhat 923 00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,400 on my radar of like, oh, I got to place a wrestling games 924 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,200 mainly because I just want to play, No Mercy, which is sitting 925 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,400 behind me on the Shelf, but I could do that anytime and 926 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,300 whatever's, but it was fun to go back and play this. 927 00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:38,200 So as I've done with other episodes, thanks for suggesting 928 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,500 these games. Thanks for suggesting Revenge 929 00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,200 was awesome to go back to it. Yeah, of course. 930 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,200 I mean, I love to go back to WCW in that time, it was, you know, 931 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,900 it's a very much a time capsule for me. 932 00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:50,600 So yes. It's good to Play It Again. 933 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,600 Awesome! Awesome! 934 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,000 Alright, so one more time, if you're listening to this before 935 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,200 the spring comes around with 2023 or after we check your 936 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,500 podcast feed. Where is everyone finding your 937 00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:03,100 new stuff? As well as the GameCube was cool 938 00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,600 podcast, which wrapped up in 2022. 939 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,300 Where's the new stuff going to be found and slow going to be 940 00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,300 found on Spotify, on Apple podcast on everything. 941 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:13,000 If you search, the GameCube was cool. 942 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,200 Even in the distant future, you'll still find us. 943 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,400 So there's no problem there. So just search the game, keep 944 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,900 his cool. You'll The old GameCube episodes 945 00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:23,000 and you'll find some new stuff that we're doing. 946 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,100 So yeah, pretty excited. Amazing. 947 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:26,500 Well, thanks for coming on the show, man. 948 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:28,700 And thank you, I'll be sure to come you back. 949 00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:31,400 Come, get you back on considering you don't hate the 950 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,300 N64. From what I was told from your 951 00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:38,600 co-host that, oh my God, I was so it's all good. 952 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,800 So, thanks for coming on the show, man. 953 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,600 Will talk to you soon and happy wrestling. 954 00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:44,700 I appreciate it. Thanks Dave. 955 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,300 Thanks again for joining me on. Remember, 64 level 21 is now 956 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:55,800 behind us. 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