1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,840 Welcome. It's so good to see you. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:02,640 Welcome. Welcome. 3 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Welcome. He's the warrior of the star. 4 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:49,800 He's the Warrior of the Star. Wait, who is this gracing this 5 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,280 wonderful podcast? Star Warrior. 6 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Donkey Kong, what Dave is trying to say. 7 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,600 Yes, what am I trying to say? He wants to be the very best. 8 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:10,600 I want to be the very best like. No one ever was. 9 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,560 Like no podcast that there ever was. 10 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,280 That this was this was originally similar to what 11 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,920 Virtual Cop was, which was which is constantly brought up in the 12 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,200 development that this was an on rails shooter at first, which I 13 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 had no idea. I guess it makes sense based on 14 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,680 technology and time and everything, but like I I just 15 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,920 can't even imagine that being this game or even a game like 16 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,200 that on the 64 at that time. It feels like it was like that 17 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,120 for so long in development too, which is so crazy to me. 18 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Totally. Yeah, It was really, this was 19 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,200 the one thing about the development process that I got 20 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,200 really mixed answers from the guys about. 21 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,000 They really had trouble remembering when it came off the 22 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,120 rails. Some of them said we always 23 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,360 wanted to put it off the rails and others said, you know, we 24 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,880 didn't decide for sure that we're gonna take it off the 25 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,040 rails until after Super Mario 64 came out and we saw how fun and 26 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,920 open world was on the N64. I mean, part of the problem is 27 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,160 they didn't have an N64 for the vast majority of the development 28 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,520 process. They didn't have the controller. 29 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,640 They didn't know it was possible. 30 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,480 They didn't know what the console was really be able to 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,800 do. Yeah, they were so committed to 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,280 the Virtual Cop model that they would go to the arcade and bring 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,840 big bags of coins and sort of sit there and feed the machine 34 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,000 coins and and really learn Virtual Cop. 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,960 One of the the first artists hired on the game, Carl Hilton, 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,240 was giving some advice to his friend Brett Jones when Brett 37 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,880 was applying to be the next the second artist on the game. 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,080 And Brett Jones had never played a video game before. 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,120 He was a a real talented artist and he knew a lot about James 40 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,800 Bond. He was a huge James Bonder, but 41 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,360 he didn't play video games. So Carl Hilton told him, listen, 42 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,280 in your interview, just make sure you talk a lot about Virtua 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,640 Cop. It's really important to Martin 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,920 and Brett did and the job. So yeah, yeah, there's, there's, 45 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,760 I mean, I mentioned this in the book, but there's, there's 46 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,640 footage of it on the rail still all the way up through, I mean 47 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:03,000 like within maybe 6 to 9 months of it coming out. 48 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,720 Yeah, I think I wrote down that it was it was still last minute. 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,040 It was E 396. It's you wrote in the book that 50 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,760 that it was still technically on rails. 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,240 And that's when Mario 64 and Goldeneye were shown. 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,320 And it's like that's. It's just crazy. 53 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,680 I don't. And there's still, there's 54 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,120 still, there's still definitely levels that show that influence 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,520 rights. Like the train level really 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,320 feels like a rails level. It's very linear. 57 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,000 You know, you're, you're just shooting guys as they pop out. 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,520 But the fact that then you can also have levels you get lost 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,080 in, you know, maze like levels or, or levels where you can 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,720 really have a different strategy approach depending on I mean, it 61 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,080 just it, it made the game, the fact that it's open world. 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,360 And so, yeah, huge, huge decision. 63 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,960 Yeah, I I can't believe that. I can't believe it. 64 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,240 I just can't. I it blows my mind. 65 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Sorry. What what blows my mind is the 66 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,440 fact that they didn't have a dev kit. 67 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,560 They didn't have any. I remember reading that. 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,400 I'm like nothing, Like no, nothing. 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,560 How do you design something for something you have no idea how 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,920 It's like, I know. That's wild. 71 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,200 Yeah, it's it's, it's wild. And it definitely led to a lot 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,640 of challenges in their process, whether it was the the musicians 73 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,640 trying at the last minute to, you know, basically they were, 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,279 they were told the N64 could do a lot more than it ended up 75 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,480 being able to do. So that meant the artists were 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,519 screwed on, you know, the, the size of some of their images and 77 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:22,720 files. They do a lot of work 78 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,680 compressing and cutting and, and shrinking things. 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,000 Same thing with the musicians. And I do think that, you know, 80 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,800 the, the thing about the N64 controller is that, you know, 81 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,280 it's, I guess, like according to legend, the controller was 82 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:41,120 really designed for Mario 64. It's, it's a controller that 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,160 plays really well for that game. But then the golden eye guys, 84 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,360 you know, it's, it's a horrendously sort of horrible 85 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,000 controller for a first person shooter. 86 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,520 However, if you play with one controller in each hand and and 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,400 you know you you have one control stick for Amy and one 88 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,520 for movie and it technically is the first dual analog control 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,560 stick. Shooter, right, which is also I 90 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,160 I honestly, I don't know how how long have have we have, you 91 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,360 know, nerds like me or us been on the Internet? 92 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,920 I did not know that was a thing until I think less than a year 93 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,800 ago. I had no idea. 94 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,360 Solo crazy so awkward and I I I feel like now that the game has 95 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,520 been re released for Xbox and switch, which it wasn't at the 96 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,760 time that my book came out there were rumors about it right, but 97 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,560 it hadn't happened now you know I don't know about you guys if 98 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,280 you've played it on on those consoles, but I cannot get used 99 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:33,640 to it. I cannot get used to doing old 100 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,120 night with dual analog. I kind. 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,280 Of have yeah, I have my Xbox controller still sitting beside 102 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,840 me 'cause I just I opened it back up and played like the 1st 103 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:41,680 2:00. Stages together. 104 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,040 Cool, cool, cool. How did it go? 105 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,800 So I, so I have, I have the cartridge, I have a switch and I 106 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,680 have it on, on Xbox 'cause I have game pass. 107 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,680 So I, I dabbled in all of them, but I think I'm just too 108 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,440 tailored to playing with dual, dual sticks now. 109 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,920 So yeah, so I, I think, you know, I'm, I'm kind of the, the, 110 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,960 I'm talking about this game that's 25 plus years old and yet 111 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,160 here I am playing it with an Xbox and an Xbox controller. 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,720 I, I think for me, I just my mind now works where I have a 113 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,680 separate joystick to constantly look around as opposed to, you 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,440 know, not relying on auto aim. But auto aim is obviously 115 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,320 something that is, that is big in, in, in the original and, and 116 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,960 on the switch as well. It works almost exactly the 117 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,760 same. And having to press R and look 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,280 around and stuff is, is fine 'cause you don't always have to 119 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,240 do it. But I found I was like, looking 120 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,000 like I was doing this and I was walking in weird directions and 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,160 stuff. Which is cooler? 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Yeah, it's, it's it just feels a little bit awkward. 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,880 And I don't know if that's because it's what it always was, 124 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,760 but I don't remember it feeling that way. 125 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,720 But it's interesting because me and Jiggy just played Jet Force 126 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,320 Gemini, and it works almost exactly the same, except that's 127 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,960 technically third person. You know when you have to kill 128 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,000 all of the all the enemies in order to unlock a door there? 129 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,920 The door wasn't unlocked, but I couldn't see an enemy anywhere. 130 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,280 But I could hear one every once in a while. 131 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,160 And every once in a while, the little red indicator on the left 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,960 or the right of my screen would go off to tell you that one was 133 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,040 like around the corner or just out of sight or whatever. 134 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,680 And then I would throw a grenade at like, the corner of the wall 135 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,680 where that sound was kind of coming from. 136 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,720 And then I would just see the green blood come out and it 137 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,080 would die, and then the door would open. 138 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,640 So that happened a couple of times, Yeah. 139 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,920 So it just got stuck in the wall. 140 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,800 Yeah, so it spawned into the wall. 141 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,240 It wasn't shooting at me, which is interesting. 142 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,720 It's not like it was, you know, seen through the wall. 143 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,920 It just, and I couldn't see it. It's not like I could see the 144 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 antenna or its foot or its gun sticking out of the wall. 145 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,600 I could just hear it and see the indicators and that's it. 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,520 And because, and the guns wouldn't do anything because the 147 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,160 wall was in the way. So I used grenades in order to 148 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,400 get an explosion, and one or two grenades later I was like, OK, 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,560 the door's unlocked like. Yeah, that's pretty wild. 150 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,840 Yeah, nothing like that happens on the 64, at least not to me. 151 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,960 But I will say it was kind of annoying when you do kill all 152 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,320 the enemies and then one is like laying on the ground just. 153 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Oh, spasming. Yeah. 154 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,080 Then there's just, there's just, it's just a matter of time 155 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,560 before they just perish. But for some reason they add 156 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,160 that detail and they sit there for like 10 seconds and you're 157 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,560 like, why isn't this door opening? 158 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,520 And then you turn around, see it on the ground, and then it 159 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,160 starts to disappear and you're like, oh, OK. 160 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,440 And then the door opens. You hear the flies buzzing. 161 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,320 That's how you know that that's on the ground. 162 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,720 Yeah. Which Which is like another one 163 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,000 of those details of the game that is like extra gruesome in a 164 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,679 game that is sort of sort of light hearted and sort of like 165 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,640 not family friendly, but sort of like geared towards maybe 166 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,120 slightly gamers, but also not. And I'm just like, is this game 167 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,480 supposed to be violent or is it not Like I don't like I know 168 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,560 they're just bugs, but. But at the same time, at the 169 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:50,440 same time they give you guns that can like explode things 170 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,920 like giant rockets and these bugs, they explode and there's 171 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,440 blood everywhere. There's like bug blood 172 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,480 everywhere. And it's clearly like trying to 173 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,280 push push that rating. It's it's teen, right? 174 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,720 I think it's teen. I don't have it right in. 175 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Front of me it is. Yeah. 176 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,600 Yeah, it is, Yeah. Which which makes sense. 177 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,800 That's totally fine. There's nothing wrong with that, 178 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,960 right? I think that makes sense. 179 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,880 But it's. But like those, those weapons, 180 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,360 the gruesome stuff, the sort of like, and like when you have 181 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,400 like a bunch of enemies that say, throw a grenade and it's 182 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,200 just like, I'm overwhelmed. I got to throw something. 183 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,120 And even if they don't die, the blood splatter is just like. 184 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,000 It's like it's all everywhere. It's. 185 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,440 Everywhere, the sound effect doesn't stop. 186 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,400 Like it's just all these details. 187 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,840 Yeah, it's green. They're bugs, like I said, but 188 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,040 there's something about that that feels this like, yeah, this 189 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:42,000 mix of attitude and mix of tone that this game, I don't know. 190 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,920 I don't know what kind of balance they're going for here. 191 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,320 Like I've seen a couple of like clips and interviews and you 192 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,120 know, things like that from even like 15 years ago when people 193 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,680 were talking about this game and it was only 10 years old and 194 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,200 being like, yeah, we wanted to strike this balance and stuff. 195 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,880 And I, I don't know if they struck the balance or if they 196 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,880 should have just gone to the full teen or mature side or 197 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,160 should have just dumbed it down to be a little bit more child 198 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,240 friendly. So I it's stuck somewhere in 199 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,200 between. I think playing it is totally 200 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,960 fine for the way that works. But that balance I think was a 201 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,440 little bit off depending on what mission and what area you were 202 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,600 in and and what weapons you were using. 203 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,680 I think that's also mattered. Yeah. 204 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:28,080 And so getting getting into it, we're kind of we're kind of like 205 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,040 crossing the line of the game play, yeah. 206 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Yeah. Oh yeah, let's do it. 207 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:40,440 So so the game play, it's kind of I'm not, I'm not it's not 208 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,760 bad, but it's not great either. It's kind of it's kind of in 209 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,320 between and I don't know, again, I don't know what it is on the 210 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,280 rare replay. Like if you can, you use twin 211 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,560 sticks. Is that like? 212 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,840 No, So what happens is, and I wrote yeah, so it so that, so 213 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,000 that's one of the reasons why we'll we'll get to this, you 214 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,520 know, eventually, like we're gonna, we're gonna be playing 215 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,360 Golden Eye on here 'cause obviously we are. 216 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:06,960 Yeah. That the version of that on the 217 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Xbox, not on the Switch, but on the Xbox is twin sticks. 218 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,120 It's is is modern controls and it's great and it feels great. 219 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,800 The game is the same game, but it plays even better. 220 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,000 Chika, do you have experience with this game or doom in 221 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 general? Do you have a history with with 222 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,400 doom? Nope, really. 223 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,160 Oh, you know what you know what it is is. 224 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,240 I think it's the age difference. I feel like that's probably what 225 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,600 it is. I don't know how how old Matt 226 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,320 is, but I this is a game that I definitely was not allowed to 227 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,040 play when I was a kid, right so. Right, fair enough. 228 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,640 So is this. I will, I will, I will go even 229 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,600 further than this like conquer. Maybe if I pushed hard enough, I 230 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,960 could have gotten them to like, like that was that was teetering 231 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,480 the line 'cause it was like it was rated M. 232 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,000 But the, the box art so cute. You know, Doom, my mom will be 233 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,560 like, we're going to church for just looking at that box art, 234 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,360 you know? And so is this your first Doom 235 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,240 game ever play you've ever played? 236 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:16,440 No, I did play the not eternal the one before Eternal. 237 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Doom, 2016. Yeah, the the, yeah, I did play 238 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,120 that one, not all the way through, but I did play it. 239 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,080 Nice, so you the as far as the old school dooms, the sort of OG 240 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,120 dooms go, this is it. Damn, that's. 241 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,400 I've always seen it. I've just been like, oh, why 242 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,840 would I play this when I have what I have now? 243 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:39,880 I mean that that's, that's fair to in a, in a number of 244 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,400 franchises, I would say, you know, I, I kind of, I kind of 245 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,480 understand that. I I. 246 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,440 I would I would play it if I had it easily accessible. 247 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,720 I'm just not going out of my way to to go play it. 248 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,040 Right, which is one of the things that Matt was mentioning 249 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,480 is the fact that there was this particular version of Doom was 250 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,600 not accessible really at all for what 15 years or something, you 251 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,120 know, at least, if not more like almost 20. 252 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:10,240 The original Doom has been available on everything, 253 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,440 including tractors. So like, you know, you could do 254 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,080 what everything, right? So this this has not been played 255 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,880 on a John Deere. So I'm not sure if that makes it 256 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,440 elite level yet or not, but but it's close. 257 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,920 It's close so. I still play plenty of 258 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,320 platformers today so I'm still thinking I would love the 259 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,400 experience as much. Well, it depends. 260 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,360 There are some things about it that I'm like, I don't know if I 261 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,800 can handle it anymore because that game, there was some 262 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,360 challenges with it for sure. What? 263 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,680 What stuff stands out or what stuff do you remember like that? 264 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:42,240 What? What? 265 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,680 So, so the game. So I don't know if you you 266 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,200 haven't beaten the game yet, but. 267 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,960 I did. I did finish it. 268 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Oh, you. Did I did? 269 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,880 Yeah, I did it, Yeah. OK awesome. 270 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,040 So there's there's these gems you have to collect and in each 271 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,320 stage there's gold gems and they're either hidden or whatnot 272 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,480 very well. They're harder to get, yeah. 273 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,880 They're so much harder to get, but with the bosses, you have to 274 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,080 defeat the bosses without getting hit. 275 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,160 And that part really, I don't know if I have the patience 276 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,080 anymore when I'm like 13 years old. 277 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,560 Yeah, I had the patience, I had the skills, I had the reflexes 278 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,360 to dodge missiles and whatever they're thrown at me. 279 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,160 And let's be honest, you had the time. 280 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,080 The time and the time too. So, you know, that part really 281 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,200 is not the most appealing to me. I used to be more of a 282 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,600 completionist and now that I'm a lot older, it's you know what, 283 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,840 let me just get through the game. 284 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,960 But also a part of the game is you have to get all of the gold, 285 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,480 the gold gems in order to see the complete ending of the game. 286 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,160 And so that would bug me so much that I would get all these gems 287 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,760 and I'm missing one. And I don't know what happens at 288 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,760 the end, right? I do know what happens at the 289 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,120 end, but I'm just saying like as a a, an adult, like it'd be nice 290 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,520 to see. Yeah, so, and so I, I completed 291 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,120 it and I was going through the game not knowing this whole gem 292 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,920 situation. I didn't so for me, 'cause OK, 293 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,440 so here's the other thing about, about doing shows like this and, 294 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,800 and playing games, you know, either through emulation or on 295 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,880 just a cartridge and stuff. I, I, I'm sure I could go and 296 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,040 find the manual of this game online and flip through it and 297 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,560 it would tell me, it would give me some information, but I, I 298 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,840 tend to forget or I don't do it 'cause I'm just like, I'm just, 299 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,680 I'm just gonna jump into the game and just experience it, you 300 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,520 know, sort of like, hey, I'm, yeah, like I'm renting this game 301 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,640 from Blockbuster and I'm just gonna play it for the week. 302 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,240 That's kind of how I approach some of these, especially if 303 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,480 it's like a single player platformer like this. 304 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,720 I'm sitting there going, how complicated? 305 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Good. This, I got this, I got it 306 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,960 right. So that's, yeah, sure, at least. 307 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,160 So I told myself and, and that's what I did with this. 308 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,600 I was like, you know what, it'll be fine. 309 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,960 I'll, I'll figure it out. I kind of remember playing this 310 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,880 at a friend's place. I think I told you earlier that 311 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,240 like, you know, one of our friends, family friends, she had 312 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,600 a 64 and she was the only person. 313 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,360 This, this is the same person. If if anyone listens to the 314 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,680 Yoshi's Story episode, it's the same person that had Yoshi's 315 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Story and this game and she has. Phenomenal tastes. 316 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,400 Right. And and it was it's, but it's 317 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,200 the only, it's the only person I knew that had those games 318 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,680 outside of the typical Mario Kart and Zelda. 319 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,480 And like, those were sort of like her her side games or 320 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,720 whatever you want to call them, like sort of like next tier down 321 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,080 or whatever. Anyways, I play them at the same 322 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,880 household and that's the only experience I have with this 323 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,880 game. And I was like, OK, I kind of 324 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,120 remember these early levels. Like I remember the shake, 325 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:44,920 shake. Of course. 326 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,360 Like, how could you not? Yeah, how could you not? 327 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,040 Times throughout the game, right? 328 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,000 Exactly. So like all those things, I was 329 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,840 like, OK, I, I, I got this and, and I, I went into it and I 330 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,160 found a couple of those gold gems and I, you know, picked 331 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,680 them up and like, oh, it's giving me a bunch of health. 332 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,079 Great, cool. They're sort of like getting 50 333 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,200 coins at once or something. That's kind of how it feels, 334 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:06,680 right? Exactly. 335 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,160 Yeah. Did I know that it had anything 336 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,319 to do with the ending or the bosses or Nope, I had no. 337 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,520 Did I know that it was counting how many I had? 338 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,200 I had no idea. I didn't know there was like a 339 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,960 an overall tally. I was just like, sure, I got two 340 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,680 of them on this stage. Great cool. 341 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,920 I found it so when I and then the bosses like no chance I'm 342 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,040 going without getting hit. Like no, no way, right? 343 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,000 Exactly, that was like top tier get good gaming back then, like 344 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,400 I'm not and I did it and it was like one of the achievements of 345 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,160 my damn life. I got all the gems in this game. 346 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,000 I know the ending. I thought you knew the ending 347 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,480 'cause you looked it up, I said. No, this is a personal 348 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,520 experience. Oh my God. 349 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,720 Team Funko was really good at this. 350 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,240 I mean, it took blood, sweat and tears, a lot of tears, but I got 351 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,120 it. But if I were to do it now, no 352 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,760 way. You know, I I really like the 353 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,840 ones. Where Where's the one here? 354 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,760 I'm trying to find it. I think it is. 355 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 I gotta, I gotta find it. If you have one, go for it. 356 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,240 I'm gonna find the name of the one. 357 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,960 That I have two. I have two. 358 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,600 That I feel like I. Mean we we can pick a top three 359 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,320 if you want. We can pick a top three if you 360 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,080 want, OK? OK, I do have a top three. 361 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,200 I do have a top three. And so number one for me I think 362 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,560 is crazy cutters, which is where you ride the little jackhammer 363 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,160 and you do the out. I'm doing the motion and you do 364 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,240 the outline. I love I. 365 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,320 Love what? Everyone can hear it but they 366 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,640 can't. Like if they're not watching, 367 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,400 they can't see it. I'm watching I. 368 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:51,440 Understand, yeah, you, you cut the outline of a character, 369 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,200 usually an enemy like a Boo or something, and just whoever gets 370 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,960 like the best stencil wins. And I've just always really 371 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,360 enjoyed that. It's fun #2 I don't know what 372 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,320 it's called, but it's, it's a Bowser face and it makes a weird 373 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,480 face and contorts. And then you have to try and 374 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,160 like Mario 64, like that opening with the Mario face. 375 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,440 How you adjust the the segments and areas of his face. 376 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,440 You have to do that and make it stick and just make it morph 377 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,480 into the contorted face in the middle of the screen. 378 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,040 That one's also a lot of fun. And then the third one could 379 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,720 probably flip around a little bit. 380 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,280 But the one that came to mind was there's a there's a 381 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,480 skateboard one in the I know it's in the first one for sure. 382 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,160 And you like ride the skate the end and you have to like keep 383 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,720 keep speeding up and jumping over. 384 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Blocks and stuff. Yeah, escape from the lava. 385 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:48,480 I'm looking at the one right now that might be in the second one, 386 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,040 but I know what's exactly what I'm. 387 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,240 Positive. It's in the first. 388 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,280 One in the first OK. Yeah. 389 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,320 It's like, it's like ramp, like ramp something or. 390 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,040 Oh, platform peril. Here you go. 391 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,640 That's what it is. It's cool. 392 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,320 Yeah, that is a good one. Oh no, that's not with the 393 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,520 skateboard. That's just jumping. 394 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,200 No, a platform is jumping. Yeah, it's like the sky. 395 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,600 It's a skateboard. I'm gonna look it up right now 396 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,240 because. OK, so while you do that, I 397 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,480 will, I'll tell you what mine is. 398 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,600 My favorite is the one that you mentioned. 399 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,800 It's called facelift. It's the one where you basically 400 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,880 contort the face of the picture. Yeah, that's cool one. 401 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,080 It's fun because at this point almost everybody played Mario 64 402 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,840 and spent like an hour just messing with Mario's face. 403 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,840 So that's basically what this is. 404 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,960 It also adds a lot of variability because you you can 405 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,200 be pretty far off or think you've got it, but someone just 406 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,160 has that slight percentage sort of advantage to you. 407 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,040 So I like this one. It's not super stressful, but it 408 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:50,120 also takes some skill for sure. So I like that we played in 409 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:55,800 Mario Party 3, we played this the rock and Raceway, the the 410 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,920 horses. We rock back and forth and 411 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,640 you're kind of going around the track or whatever. 412 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,440 Yeah, that one's up there for me. 413 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,680 I really like it. Yeah, I really like it. 414 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,560 I, I like, I like the the fact that you have to manage your 415 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,440 ABAB and your energy and stuff before you spin out. 416 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,760 And I kind of like the fact that everyone's, you know, I just, I 417 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:15,920 like the aesthetic of it and stuff. 418 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,200 There's that. Well. 419 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,360 You beat me in that every single time so. 420 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. 421 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,720 And then we have another shared one, the crazy cutter one is 422 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,160 great. The sort of tracing around it, 423 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,440 it's so simple, but it's it's a lot of fun. 424 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,920 And again, it's it's similar to the facelift 1 where you could 425 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,440 feel like, oh, I got this, 100%, I got this. 426 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,400 But that tiny little extra Polygon or pixel that you may 427 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,520 have missed could make the difference between that and I 428 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 think that is great. And the fact that Mario Party 429 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,880 won. And I think a couple of these 430 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,360 are also in two. The fact that that is in the 431 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,560 first game, those two games that we both share between those two 432 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:04,400 shows that the simplicity of the first one and the ideas that 433 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,720 they came up with just on the first one and kind of dropped a 434 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,440 couple games later are actually pretty damn good. 435 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,200 And that I, I think that's, that's impressive. 436 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,400 I find that pretty impressive. I, I, I enjoy that. 437 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,200 And then there's the boss check and then you have the 438 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,000 construction yard, then you have an alleyway, then you fight the 439 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,640 slime and then you finally make it to AL's toy barn and it's a 440 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,680 real it. I just like how there's like 441 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:32,080 this what could have just been like this non like cohesive 442 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,800 level structure turns out to be really well structured and also 443 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,040 visually really interesting. That extra extra thing is 444 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,800 fucking awesome. Yeah, it is. 445 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,200 It is so I so I'm currently like this lined up so perfectly, like 446 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,760 unintentionally. But on my YouTube channel I'm 447 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,640 currently doing, I do a series called analyzing everything 448 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,480 where I like look at every aspect of a game. 449 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,400 I'm looking at the graphics, the music, the sound effects, 450 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,520 everything and that I'm currently playing through Toy 451 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,320 Story 2. So I just lined up with this 452 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,720 podcast and I'm just like that Etch A sketch menu is so 453 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,000 creative, It's so unique and it's one of the best level 454 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,720 select menus of any game I've ever seen because it's just so 455 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,360 and it's it's interesting because it's a license from 456 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,800 Hasbro, right? Because there's that weird 457 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:24,120 Disney Pixar, Hasbro toys connection. 458 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,360 And like some of the characters in the game are actual like 459 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:28,000 Hasbro toys and things like that. 460 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,440 So just that that connection and the liberty to use the actual 461 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,320 like Etch A sketch, like I think it's a one off. 462 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 I think it's the only time you're ever going to see that 463 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,040 kind of a menu, and it was so unique and just really cool. 464 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Yeah, it it's, it's a great way because with such a large cast 465 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,720 of characters in Toy Story, like it's that Bugs Life, like 466 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,640 especially a lot of these, I mean, most, most Pixar movies 467 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,360 are kind of like that, especially like Cars and things 468 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,960 like that. Later on, you know, if you make 469 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,080 a game or, or another TV show or something other another medium 470 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,400 outside of the movie, you want to kind of bring these 471 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,440 characters in any way you can. You know, Rex is used as sort of 472 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,480 like a hint guy or whatever. OK, wait, wait, we just need to 473 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,360 say how annoying he is. He's in the yeah. 474 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Like you're like, Oh my gosh. Doesn't stop time. 475 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,160 Yeah, if you're in his proximity, he will not shut the 476 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,200 fuck up. It's all this screaming bars 477 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,560 over here bars. I love him, though. 478 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,640 I love Rex I I like Rex 'cause he's this endearing character, 479 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,840 but he can go die in a ditch in this game I. 480 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,320 He doesn't shut up me. He doesn't stop I I like all the 481 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 other characters do that too. It's not just him, but his voice 482 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,560 like it. Like if you. 483 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,840 His voice stands out above the din of. 484 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Yes, it does. It really does. 485 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,120 Everything else, it doesn't it, it feels a lot clunkier than 486 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,280 your average fighting game, which is not something that you 487 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,560 want in a fighting game. And it's pretty. 488 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,480 I don't think it runs very well either. 489 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,640 It's pretty. It's pretty clunky. 490 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,280 Like it it it is like it does. It honestly does feel like 491 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,400 there's pieces of clay moving. Like. 492 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320 Like they're, they're a little sticky, you know, they'll stick 493 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,440 to the ground a little bit too much. 494 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,440 Like I don't, I doubt that's intentional, but probably not. 495 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,600 But maybe it's so it's interesting because I played 496 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,400 mostly Sculptor's Cut just because it's the one that I had 497 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,520 loaded up for the most part and whatever I played that it's 498 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,160 interesting that you say that for 63 and a third. 499 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,200 Like as much as the combo system and the fighting seems to is 500 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,120 probably better there because it has that killer instinct combo 501 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,480 system. But you still felt like it was 502 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,200 kind of chunky a bit. Sculptor's Cut is very chunky. 503 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,480 It's so weird 'cause the changes that they made, they're like, 504 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,880 oh, we made a killer instinct like game. 505 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,240 Let's take that away and make a Street Fighter like game so we 506 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,000 don't have the same type of combos and stuff. 507 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,760 And Street Fighter's just faster, smoother, snappier. 508 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,360 So sculptor's cut well, and, and also the like the camera is 509 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,600 different. So like in the sculptor's cut, 510 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,240 like you're showing right now, like it's, it's that more zoomed 511 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,080 out Street Fighter look, whereas in 60 and a third is a little 512 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960 bit more zoomed in kind of closer, like killer instinct 513 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,760 where you don't see as much of the arena. 514 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,280 And it's, you know, I mean, it also even is like semi 3D at 515 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,040 times cause the it'll rotate like when you're fighting and 516 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,440 it'll kind of move like this and you'll get different angles of 517 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,520 stuff. Yeah yeah, kind of like some of 518 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,960 the rooms kind of have some corners you go around or 519 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,560 whatever. Yeah. 520 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,640 Some of the rooms, the places have like transitional things 521 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,160 right where you like hit, hit the enemy, they go flying 522 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,720 through the wall, they go flying through the doorway. 523 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,000 And I actually, normally I would love those, but in this game I 524 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,560 disliked those. Oh, how come? 525 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,720 Because they were like you. You would hit it, you'd bounce 526 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,480 into the other room. It would like stop the gameplay 527 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,640 for a second to do that, and then you'd be on the other side. 528 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,560 You could accidentally hit them back and keep them in the cycle 529 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,520 of going through the doorway. This happened to me. 530 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,960 This legitimately happened to me in the in the Laffy laffy taffy 531 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,400 guy, whatever he is. Yeah, in that like, candy 532 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240 factory in that room. I was fighting the clown guy and 533 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,680 I like punched him and he went through the door and fell. 534 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,120 And then I was on the other side. 535 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,880 I punched him again, he went through the door and fell. 536 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,200 I did it like three times in a row. 537 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,880 And I was like, I stopped fighting and backed away so I 538 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,120 could get out of that corner so I would be able to continue the 539 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,480 fight. Well, it just, it looks like, it 540 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,120 looks like the sculptor's cut has some of that, a little bit 541 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,720 of that 3D camera 'cause it looks like even in this arena, 542 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,280 like you're kind of going around it, even though it's still 543 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,880 trying to stay two-dimensional. It kind of goes like that. 544 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,520 It's a little bit less so than the original, but it's still 545 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,280 pretty similar. It's still there. 546 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,760 You're still technically fighting on a 2D plane, but the 547 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,360 camera kind of just like swerves in a circle is kind of what it 548 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:51,840 is. They still have the transition 549 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,200 things. And part of the problem jiggy 550 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,280 with like the transition stuff like in other fighting games, 551 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,200 it's like, OK, that's cool because it does extra damage or 552 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,280 now you're in a new area and you can do new things and but it 553 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,920 doesn't really do anything in this. 554 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,360 And the problem is too, if you knock someone through a door, 555 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,560 for example, or through a wall or something like that, and you 556 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,280 keep knocking them back and forth like you said you were 557 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,360 doing, you're gonna do like no damage. 558 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,240 It's not a significant move. It yeah, it sucked. 559 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,920 It actually kind of sucks. Yeah. 560 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,040 But I will say that my guy didn't have as much cutting 561 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,320 action as yours seem to. I was I was definitely like a 562 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,840 blunt force kind of a thing. I did like an AAII want to say 563 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,920 AAB, like I did that combo lot or ABA and he did like this like 564 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,680 sweeping kick kind of a deal that could potentially like 565 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,440 knock them off their feet. But it was it was like my 566 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,080 strategy for this game was especially when I see those Big 567 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,880 Blue ogre looking guys, I just ran in and I just tap the 568 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,840 buttons and I would like pin them to a wall and just keep 569 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,280 going. And then whenever I felt like, 570 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,080 OK, that's enough and I would stop. 571 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,960 They would still be moving and be fine. 572 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,560 And I'm like, Oh my gosh. And so I just basically just had 573 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,000 a rule. I'm like I just have to lay the 574 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,960 hammer on for like 30 seconds straight and just hope they die. 575 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,840 Yeah, well, what's interesting, so those Big Blue guys are, are 576 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,720 like one of the first enemies that you see, Like I, I 577 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,200 mentioned off the top of my like sort of goofy comment at the 578 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320 top, it was like this giant Blue Man Group. 579 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Like it's just this giant hulky and looking thing that is just 580 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,200 blue. And I don't know what the hell 581 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520 any like, unless it's a zombie. I don't know what the hell any 582 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,680 of these things are supposed to be. 583 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,640 And that's right. Doesn't really matter. 584 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,680 Don't you don't have to explain it. 585 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 They're monsters. This Crowley or Crowley guy is, 586 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,360 I don't know, launching monsters across London because evil 587 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,360 person. And those things are funny 588 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,920 because they take so long to take down. 589 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,840 Sometimes I like, I would be hammering away at this enemy for 590 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,880 so long, and the only way that I knew that I defeated it was 591 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,800 because my adrenaline meter, that blue bar on the other side, 592 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,320 went up a notch. That's the only way I knew that 593 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,840 I killed it. Yeah. 594 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,480 Oh, here's a question for you. How did you fare against? 595 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Because the bane of my existence was actually the aerial based 596 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,760 enemies like gargoyles and things with wings that move fast 597 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,480 because you get into a fight and they'd like, jump around, right. 598 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880 So you're almost in like this little zone. 599 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,480 Think of it like in Zelda Ocarina of Time when you lock 600 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640 onto an enemy, except you don't control when you lock onto an 601 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,880 enemy, it does it automatically. Or what the camera does for the 602 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280 most part. Or yeah, the camera does, but 603 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640 like the enemy will be hopping around you and you'll be trying 604 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,080 to attack and you'll be hitting forward, they'll move behind 605 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,480 you. It makes it very easy for them 606 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,480 to dodge. And even worse when you get into 607 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,280 an area with multiple enemies and they're attacking like I'm 608 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,800 the type of person I'm locking onto an enemy, I'm ignoring 609 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960 everyone else, I'm going to defeat that enemy, then move on 610 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,520 to the next one, you know, and this was like this. 611 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960 It did not allow you to do that. They would get in, they you'd 612 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,840 just be missing that person and then another enemy would hit 613 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,320 you. And that, I feel is just a 614 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,440 reflection of the way they chose to do the gameplay. 615 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,000 So it's it's very the best way to describe how the camera 616 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,720 works. If you've ever played Croc, this 617 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,600 is exactly what it's like. It's. 618 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Oh, is it? Kind of it's locked behind you 619 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,840 and you move the joystick, you move left and right and it's 620 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,920 it's stays behind you sort of, but it also mostly. 621 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,960 Mostly, yeah, but not. Always mostly, but it tries to 622 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,680 account for enemies on screen and stuff so sometimes it gets a 623 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,160 little wonky and pulls back. I would say it definitely was 624 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,160 hard at first, but it gets easier as you get used to it. 625 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960 It's it's kind of that situation you need to play through a few 626 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,560 levels and it gets a little, it gets easier. 627 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,960 You know, it's still not ideal. And This is why I was saying 628 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,000 earlier, why did they throw attacks into the C buttons? 629 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,400 Because you don't use the C buttons really, other than you 630 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,840 can jump with them. But you could have easily put 631 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320 the jump button on anything else. 632 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,120 I mean. Like. 633 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,480 I mean, it's I don't. Know like even just. 634 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,000 Limit it to the down C button as a jump or something, I don't. 635 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,120 Yeah, yeah. The positioning of the C buttons 636 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,000 doesn't make sense. Why is down which the jump? 637 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,280 Maybe you don't use a ton, but somehow it felt like it was more 638 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,200 intuitive for down C to be the jump button and yet it is left C 639 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,080 and I don't understand that. Yeah, I like, I don't. 640 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,280 So it found. It didn't feel right. 641 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,360 I, I won't, it didn't feel right. 642 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,480 The jump isn't really like for those expecting that it's a 643 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,120 platformer that you're jumping, it's not. 644 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,800 It's kind of like. It's a hop. 645 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,520 I'm trying to. It's a little hop. 646 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,000 You know how in Zelda you hop over a gap and it automatically 647 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,120 does it for you and you just kind of it's not a jump per SE, 648 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,560 so much as you're skipping? That's basically what it is. 649 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,960 You're not jumping. You have, you have momentum, you 650 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,080 move forward, you're always moving forward and it's left C 651 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,760 button. It it doesn't. 652 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,240 It's not the worst thing I've ever felt, but it certainly 653 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,600 could have been better and thought out a little more. 654 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,520 I would have loved to see the down C button being the jump. 655 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400 OK. And then using the left and 656 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,080 right C buttons to change the camera angle, because this game 657 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,600 kind of desperately needs that ability. 658 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Yeah, because it's I, I'm the type of person where on these, 659 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,280 on any sort of third person action game that isn't a shooter 660 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,280 where you're pretty much always behind your character because 661 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,600 the reticle and all that kind of stuff, I'm the person who always 662 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,199 wants the camera or for the most part, unless it's a certain 663 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,280 traversal element, wants the camera behind my character. 664 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,880 So in some ways I was OK with this. 665 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,960 Like some people are OK with, oh, every once in a while I'll 666 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440 just sort of, you know, be fine if I'm to the left or the right 667 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,159 or whatever. And I just pretty much just 668 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,159 always want it that way. Like even in racing games, I'm 669 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,120 not playing first person, I'm playing behind, you know, I want 670 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,920 to play a third person version of my vehicle, one, so I can see 671 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,920 my vehicle. And two, I just, I don't know, 672 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,000 it just feels more like a video game that way. 673 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,080 I think you get give it a Dynasty Warriors treatment. 674 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,520 Let's just have tons of enemies running at you at the same time. 675 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,239 Oh. Shit. 676 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,360 OK, let's give Superman all his powers accessible at all times. 677 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,960 There's no, there's no limit. I I don't know why they would 678 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,239 ever do that. That was dumb. 679 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,360 But if you treated it like, you know, like a Dynasty Warriors, 680 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,280 like hack and slash, just like every level and he gave you 681 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,120 plenty of space to to work right, I think that would be a 682 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,520 lot cooler. Yeah, like you said that you had 683 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,520 a lot of fun with like the practice mode because it was 684 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,920 more sandbox like and when you mentioned that that Xbox game 685 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200 that that sounds like a great idea to me. 686 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,640 Superman is definitely something that would work better in a wide 687 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,920 open space. Why is he flying through under 688 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,520 underwater tunnels? It doesn't doesn't jive with me. 689 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,480 But if it's open sandbox and you're just dozens of mooks 690 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,280 coming at you like mobs, henchman, that makes sense. 691 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,440 Cause the enemies in this, I don't wanna say damage sponges, 692 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,640 but they take a few hits and again, you're Superman. 693 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,840 Why do they take more than one punch, right? 694 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,240 It doesn't make a lot of sense. The, the, it was on the footage 695 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,000 that you had Dave, but there's a scene in like the first part 696 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,720 where you go and there's like 4 enemies lined up and you just 697 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,040 stop. And 1st off, Superman's like 698 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,760 punching animation is just silly. 699 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,800 He's just like uppercut like. Also his run. 700 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,440 His run is hilarious. His body doesn't move, just his 701 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,120 arms, all arms. Yeah. 702 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,400 Looks looks like a like a, a mole Walker. 703 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,840 That's what he looks like. Like it's. 704 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,000 Just a great. Posture. 705 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,880 Great posture though. Great posture a. 706 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,960 Nutcracker. A Nutcracker. 707 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,600 That's it. Yeah, Yeah. 708 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,360 But yeah, you're. But you punch him, right? 709 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,760 And they're animated hilariously when you punch them, they're 710 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160 like, yeah, like fly off the screen. 711 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,640 And it's so satisfying to just go down a line of them and just 712 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,480 punch, punch, punch, punch. They're one shots. 713 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080 They go flying. That's what Superman is. 714 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,800 That's what it should be. Or, or you fly into them and 715 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,200 just knock them all down like they're like they're bowling 716 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,800 pins. Like, yeah, that's what it 717 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,360 should be. Yeah. 718 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,680 That'd be so much fun. It doesn't, you know now 719 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,960 obviously they. Fly them up in the sky and just 720 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:45,520 drop. Them. 721 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,000 Oh my God, that'd be great. Be great. 722 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,160 There's the one stage where you have to fight dark side. 723 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,520 I think it's dark. Yeah, it's dark side. 724 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000 And you, you go, you have a small skirmish with him. 725 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,320 You punch me a few times. He he falls flat on his back, 726 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,280 which does not make sense, but then you're picking him up above 727 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,280 your arms and you're walking down the hallways. 728 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,480 I think you're supposed to take him to a cop car. 729 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,320 I think it is to get him arrested, which this is like 730 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,360 this is like one of the new gods, one of those powerful 731 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,880 super villains in their mythos. And you're picking him up over 732 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880 your shoulder, getting stuck on the ceiling 'cause you know, 733 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,400 Superman 64 geometry and he's getting arrested by the cops. 734 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,440 This this is the the battle. This is what's in Lex's 735 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,280 simulation. Like that's the other thing is 736 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,080 this is all so so the ring thing, all of this stuff that's 737 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,160 happening is supposed to be a simulation. 738 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,040 It's. All a game. 739 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520 It's all it's literally all a game. 740 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,360 Do you want to play a game like it's just it's what it is. 741 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,360 No, I definitely do not. This is the is this the dark 742 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,960 seed level? No, it's not. 743 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,520 Hold on. I'm trying to change it over so 744 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:54,120 we can see it, but it's it's like, Oh my God, it's moving so 745 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640 clunky. What is this person playing this 746 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,560 thing on? So this is the stage where 747 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,520 there's destructible walls. And if you're in the area of 748 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,400 those, the frame rate tanks, like it's a cool concept, 749 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120 destructible walls that they ruin the frame rate. 750 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,880 And right. One of those things where I wish 751 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,960 they could have performed it better. 752 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,280 Yeah. Like that's these, these, these, 753 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,960 the shadow figures. The shadow hench men. 754 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,760 They look like like just a punch. 755 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,720 Hey, there goes the wall. Oh, wait. 756 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,040 There he goes. Look. 757 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,560 Look at the physics. Look at those physics. 758 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,760 Oh, I love it. Oh man, I am insanely 759 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,240 disappointed the sound is not working. 760 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640 Well, you know what? The sound is really great and 761 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,240 instead what I'm going to do is I'm going to insert the music 762 00:38:40,720 --> 00:39:09,000 right here, guys. 763 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,160 Wasn't that beautiful? Wow, it was. 764 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,000 So. Beautiful. 765 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,280 You heard it. It was great. 766 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,720 It was so. Great. 767 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,440 I really love the the really stupid ones that I love are the 768 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,920 the third and fourth goal ones for like when you finish a race 769 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,440 in like third or fourth place, they're so they're so chill and 770 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,000 then like they're just so, so good. 771 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,080 Like so it's so funny because the guy that's commenting is 772 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,560 like, oh, you're in second, you're in, you're 10 seconds 773 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,120 behind, you're 4th, you're 3 seconds ahead or whatever. 774 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,840 And then when you come in like third or fourth, he just goes 775 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,640 try harder or he's not even close. 776 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,600 Oh, too bad. All right. 777 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,920 Like he like insults you. He just goes from being like you 778 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,720 said, he goes from being like kind of friendly and like 779 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,280 encouraging to what the hell is wrong with you. 780 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:05,760 Race better essentially. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. 781 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,480 Going zipping through checkpoint after checkpoint on the fortress 782 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,560 place. Dude Oh my God. 783 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,040 Oh yeah, that's. Right. 784 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,640 OK, OK, You let everybody die. Max Power. 785 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,480 Yeah, also then let you hear the engine Rev too. 786 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,200 Just. Yeah, dude. 787 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,520 Feel it. You feel the power. 788 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,600 It's, it's, it's definitely, I think it definitely enhances 789 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,120 the, the game though, Like I, I do think that the, I do think 790 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,160 that the, the music and the sound effects and stuff are, are 791 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080 pretty good. I do appreciate that, that they, 792 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,040 they kind of made sure that that was a good solid part of the 793 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,040 game. You know, it's not, it's not 794 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,000 this massive soundtrack. It's not like you have a million 795 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,040 different sounds or whatever, but like they could have easily 796 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,320 just done wave noises and the, the engines very basic and then 797 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,880 just called it a day 'cause that's kind of what a lot of 798 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,760 stuff at that time was doing anyways, right. 799 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,760 So. Yeah, you could have licenses 800 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,640 that like holy shit, licensed it out and made like all, all Rob 801 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,320 Zombie all the time on this fucker like they did with 802 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,120 Twisted Metal four or some shit Instead. 803 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,600 Yeah, Nintendo was like, no dude, they fucking with the sick 804 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,240 fucking soundtrack for this and even like Blue Storm, but they 805 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920 they did a really, really fucking awesome job on on these 806 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,760 games in the soundtrack. Like bring it back. 807 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,080 I'll. Fucking choke whoever I need to 808 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960 to get this goddamn. Serious back, dude, it's so fun. 809 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,160 Yeah, I'm going to try. I'm going to try this sound and 810 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,280 see if it works OK. No, no. 811 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,960 Drag you love. Come on. 812 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,400 Through the ditches. Do you imagine like ripping 813 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,920 through these fucking checkpoints? 814 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,720 Drag you love? That would be amazing. 815 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960 There's only one perfect band for this, though, and it's 816 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,960 Nickelback. Oh God, oh man. 817 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,120 Don't drag my photograph. Don't drag the Canadian 818 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:24,480 embarrassments into this. Creep creep, Can you take the? 819 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,360 Effort of having that band, like having an actual band and they 820 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,280 make their lyrics like they they change them up so that they're 821 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,080 related to what's happening in the game. 822 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,280 So it's it's about jet skis or something, right? 823 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,920 It's like can you Rev me higher? Look at. 824 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,720 This jet ski waves where the score lines are, something like 825 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:53,200 that, I don't know. Oh my God, never made it as a 826 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,640 jet ski. Couldn't cut it as a jet ski 827 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,840 Then. This is how you jet ski? 828 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,840 Holy fuck. Cut that part out, don't leave 829 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,520 it in. Are you kidding? 830 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,640 There's no way that's that's not staying in. 831 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,560 It is. You know what? 832 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,920 Actually, I think I found the new theme song for the entire 833 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,120 show. When you get to Sector Z, she'll 834 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,680 show up and actually help you hit the missiles, which is 835 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,360 welcome because it's actually helpful, you know? 836 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,640 So when they're helpful like that, it's awesome. 837 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,400 Like if you help Bill and all of them and Cortana, then he shows 838 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,840 up later. I don't remember what stage off 839 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,000 the top of my head. Solar, he's he shows up in Solar 840 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,600 and he just like helps you kill a couple of enemies so you can 841 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,960 get some help. And then in sector X he helps 842 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,880 you to unlock the gates so that you can go into NO. 843 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,960 That's what I was, yeah. Yeah, and Kat will show up in 844 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,800 just shows up once, right like or or sorry, she will show up in 845 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,400 both of the level I think. I don't think she just shows up 846 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,360 in Z. She'll show up and and help you 847 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,640 if you go the. Other way too. 848 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,840 I think it's Macbeth. And she just. 849 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,600 Shows up near the beginning and takes down a couple of enemies 850 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,400 and then disappears. The problem with her? 851 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,960 The problem with her showing up in Z is that if you're looking 852 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,680 to get the medal for C, she automatically takes down one of 853 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,160 the missiles. So that's you're basically 854 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,960 locked out of getting the medal when she does that. 855 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,120 OK. Oh, OK. 856 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,240 Oh no. Oh man, it's gotta be quick. 857 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,160 That that sucks. Gotta be quicker than her but. 858 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,520 That's it's hard, right? Because you're paying attention 859 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,640 to five other things, yeah. Right, Like the enemies in that 860 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,160 stage are very aggressive and they will take down your team if 861 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,360 you don't help them. Yeah. 862 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,840 And without her, it's a pretty difficult stage. 863 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,360 I think like it's, it's definitely for me, it was at 864 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,360 least anyway from when I was replaying them. 865 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,040 But I, I like yeah, I like it when their friends show up. 866 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,840 Yeah, I think it's fun. I like it when other animals 867 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,040 show up and say dumb animal noises and, and like they they 868 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,560 talk about their history or whatever, like, you know, yeah, 869 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,320 it's fun. I I think it's about their. 870 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,800 History. They, they create this little 871 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,360 narrative and like, you start wondering like, like, oh, Bill 872 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,200 and Fox were friends in elementary school or something. 873 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,760 You know, I'll go get what's going on there. 874 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,200 Because like when you're a kid like you, you think about that 875 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,040 crap because because you have like you're playing this game 876 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520 all the time, like, OK, well, I wonder what is is about these 877 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,400 people. And like, I think it's so crazy 878 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,480 that like Nintendo just they had something like like this could 879 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,440 have been huge, like they could have done story or something 880 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,120 with this and or had these characters that people just love 881 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,760 and Revere and still reference and like are in the pop culture 882 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,040 and they just did nothing with it. 883 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,400 That's true. They they sort of let. 884 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,240 It in they explore it in the game that nobody played right 885 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,000 and and command for DS you have a bunch of different branching 886 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,160 paths that you can take and that's where they explain. 887 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,600 Oh and Andros had a nephew who hated him and not a nephew a 888 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,440 grandkid that hated him and wanted to kill him. 889 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,320 Fox and Crystals explained more. And Falco and Kat and Bill and 890 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,360 Fox and all that stuff. But so we gotta get a re release 891 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,640 of that then that's what I gotta play, yeah. 892 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,240 'Cause I'm what? Like OK, here, here's the thing, 893 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,320 let. Me, it's Fire Emblem Starfox. 894 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,280 It's awesome. Oh, I said it again though. 895 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,240 Enough. Yeah, like it's one of those 896 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:22,440 games. It's enough gimmicks. 897 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,160 I still prefer, like in my mind, I, I love Starfox 64 and I got 898 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,280 Starfox Command being like, Oh yeah, it's going to be Starfox 899 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,720 64. It's the new, it's the new 900 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,320 Starfox 64. It's on my DS. 901 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,400 It's going to be amazing. And then it was like, it was, it 902 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,680 had those moments, it had that, a little bit of it, but it was 903 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520 different. It was fundamentally different. 904 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,160 And it wasn't bad. I think I'd appreciate it now 905 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,240 more than I did back then, because back then I was like, I 906 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,360 this isn't Starfox 64. Yeah, you know. 907 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,840 Well, that's what you want. That's what I would have 908 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,920 expected too if I if I had it at the time. 909 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600 Dude, thanks again. Thanks everyone for listening 910 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,760 and watching. If you've been watching us, 911 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,360 thank you for being with us. We will talk to everybody next 912 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,720 time. I remember 64.