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wait, why is that guy in his underwear was happening here?
Well, that's just some vague quips about our level. 22 game.
Mystical ninja featuring goemon. On a new guest, will be joining
this week to talk about the game and their experience with a
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Alright without further Ado, let's bust out the history
books, everyone. It's time to head back to April
of 1998. Mystical ninja starring goemon
was developed by Konami first titled.
On bar a going on, five the Japanese producers instead
wanted to shed the numerical naming pattern and landed on the
eventual title of mystical ninja.
All this in order to just drive the point home and emphasize
that this time around, you were definitely playing something
different. Now the game just like its
predecessors, initially had a two-player co-op mode but over
the final months, leading up to release that was completely
scrapped. Something many reviews at the
time pointed out as a disappointment, but Called ninja
worked with 128 MB in that N64 cartridge.
So with Co-op not there anymore this allowed devs to favor
something else and we talked about this in a couple moments
but the high quality musical numbers and voice samples are
what took its place. Konami released a set of early,
renders of the game and of goemon posing and showing off
facial features for magazine previews at the time.
And then not long after an early build of the game was featured
at E3. 87, but that's not it. Konami wasn't done there.
They later. Presented a nearly finished
build at the Tokyo game show in September of 97 and children
were the main target for mystical ninja.
So in typical 90s fashion, what did Konami do?
Well, of course, as expected, scheduled appearances of going
on, mascots at school, gymnastics competitions in
Japan. Now, I mentioned the music and
sound a minute ago. The soundtrack is a
collaboration. Four different composers, the
team knew they had a set of solid track on their hands.
So they use these musical numbers and remix one of the
songs called I am impact and release it on a CD on October
3rd of 1997. Now, the games mild released in
eastern markets, prompted the production of an animated show
as well. Now, bear with me again here,
but it went a little something like this goemon fights off
evil. Doers, after being transported
to a modern society where he becomes, Besties with an
elementary school student, why reasons?
That's why the show was planned for release in North America
over a year before the game's release but then it was delayed
by another full year and ultimately never made its way to
North American Shores. Mystical ninja starring goemon
sold, 55 thousand units in North America and 141,000 in Japan.
All right, there's little look back at the game itself.
Let's talk about this way. Wacky adventure with our guests.
Right? As always everybody, and
remember 64, it's time to bring in a special guest.
Another new guest this time. I'm very, very excited, talk
about this game with Danny as ours.
Special guest this week. Danny, how are you man?
I'm not too bad. You decided to get me up at 6:30
in the morning but you know apart from that.
It's all good. How are you?
I'm okay, I'm okay, I feel terrible but I'm also very
excited so I'm conflicted. No, honestly, it's so good.
I do my recordings at 6:00 in the morning because otherwise
I'm not able to speak to anyone who lives in America, Britain,
Canada, because I'm living Australia.
Yeah. Which is kreitman.
I mean like the things people do to talk and talk about video
games and play video games. No, it's very impressive.
You've got like, I've done five am, I've done 5 a.m. for some
people, I'm like, oh my God, my wife's just hit me like you
prick. You got to be done, it's got to
be done. Gotta be done, right?
It's just just got a scratch that itch.
So so you're up that early, you're doing fun stuff out
there. You got your own show going on
when we when we tell people a little bit about that before we
jump in. Yeah, so I do my own podcast,
cool retro Wars and basically each week I get a guest on
behalf of the show is just me dicking around talking about
news games and stuff. Like, Like big more own little
games and then the other half is talking about the selected game.
We go from probably the Nez Master System up until the
moment. I think we've done the, we a few
of them. It's just basically just dicking
around and it's not mean praising.
Every game. There are some ones like our
one-year show is this week and doing The Bouncer and I'm not
gonna lie that games a pile of shite oh don't be happy one year
one year. Let's do a shit game and yeah
it's just a basically a shit talk each week.
And then yeah, people might agree with it.
People might disagree with it but me, it's all good fun at the
end of the day. That's it.
Exactly. Right.
And that, and that's kind of what this show is to.
You know, there's definitely going to be games that we're
going to come across and we already already have at this
point. We're sitting at almost one year
as well for us for the show too. And for the most part, we've
been lucky, we've played some pretty good stuff and every once
while you're going to hit a stinker or sort of Middle Ground
gaming, yeah, that's fine. It is what it is.
As long as you had fun, talking about it and playing it.
That's not good. That's possibly Well okay you
and you say have fun playing it, they're all going to be some
Dame's, you're not good enough or you're not gonna have fun
playing that on tape II am. So I it's sad that I'm so
excited to play that game. Again.
Another remember II, just I want to know.
I want to, I don't really remember what it felt like
playing it as a kid, because I'm pretty sure I rented it from the
store a couple times at that, well, I just know.
Yeah, I that's it. That's all I've experienced is
high, is it a couple of times? You should have realized the
first time. Oh, this game is crap.
I lost highly cream. Well, where do I start with that
question? That's the other.
The reason why is I want I want to I want to be a part of this.
This not. It's not a bandwagon because
it's pretty well known that. It's a terrible game but I
really want to experience just how bad it is.
I don't love shitting on games, but if you have to, you just
have to, you know, and at least at the skull Ian it's sort of
like when something something. Not so great happens to you
nothing serious. But something silly.
Oh, I slipped and I whatever stub my toe or sounds like oh
well at least you got a story out of it or I did this or
someone at work said that at least you got a story out of it.
At least I'll get a podcast out of it.
Is he your father, too nice. If I get a shit game, I will
shit all over it and then literally drink the tears of
everybody else. You don't like it.
So I did Spyro + IP missing your own of my robotic.
I'm fine. But she's exactly.
Not everything holds up, man. Not everything folds up like
just because it's a fun character doesn't mean it's
going to be a great game. Correct?
Correct, exactly. So before we get into into, into
this game more specifically, what was what was your
experience with 64 before I guess before today like growing
up? They did you have one?
Was it some yeah? Awesome.
Yeah and I that was like my next my second games, got Waller,
they third games console, after my Mega Drive.
Oh Jesus Jenna fifth. And Game Boy and then eventually
the N64 came out and my cousin, did I?
Hi, I can't remember. But at the time, as I sold my
mega drive, all my stuff, my Mega Drive, put it in the local
paper, sold everything and then with the mountain it with the
money managed to get an N64 with an extra controller and Mario
64. So that was raised was the star.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was the start of my N64 and had it.
I think I've still got the N64 somewhere, not it's not behind
move or anyone things move it somewhere.
I just don't know where it is. It's somewhere in my old house.
I don't know if it still works. I'll be impressed if it does.
You know what? Like I have my original SNES
that I bought when I was 8 or something like that.
Would I think still that thing still works, man.
It's like, I haven't done anything special, I never
cleaned. It never did any sort of, like
maintenance do it. If that still works and was
stored God knows where for the last 15, to 20 years, I wouldn't
be surprised if her in 64, Works him, it's coming.
It's the Same plastic with a couple of chips, I mean I
wouldn't yeah that's all it is, you surprised?
Yeah yeah maybe a little bit of dust cleaning or whatever.
But other than that I wouldn't be surprised if it works.
As long as the cartridges are in pretty good shape I would assume
the console is is fine. So hey if you find it it's worth
a test run. That's for sure.
And it's like find the game's do.
They owe what? Like the only ones any N64
games? I have to handle these two
Japanese elders and brother got me for Christmas and that he's
so otherwise, I don't know. All games like I got my old
Gameboy games but yeah the N64 games although they'll be
somewhere hidden around in a house or somewhere back in
England. Yeah there's always there's
always a few things lying around is a few SNES and 64 games.
I just found that happened to be in my stuff and somehow not at
my parents place is like how'd this get here pleasant surprise?
I mean, it's a good problem to have, you know so badly.
Yeah, okay, so was now we're I dip my toes into two.
Of the Goldman games a little bit and the over the last couple
weeks, the first one is Mystical ninja.
Starring goemon. That's yeah, the original.
And then there's the Great Adventure of Gomen.
What's the name of it here? I should have this in front of
me. Goldman's Great Adventure.
That's what it is which is sort of like the sequel.
I'm I mostly played mystical ninja starring goemon.
Let's just call that the first one.
We'll just go back that way. What was your experience playing
this? When you were younger, is this?
That you sort of found later on now, it's a festival to be a
dick. It's not Goin.
It's Goin on. There's this.
Wait a minute goemon, there's a dick.
Fuck dick move for his from the off.
No, no. And honestly, I'm sitting there
and I'm trying to figure out how to see is even if it's like is a
Gaiman, you know. Like it could be something like
that but uh, so going in. Yeah, it going on going on.
Okay, there we go. All right.
I learned something today. I love it.
Played against See, full version.
You wonder. He's called Gaiman considering
what goes on in this game. Especially beginning.
Oh Jesus. There's so much my cousin, my
cousin as parents. You are one of them works and
for British Airways. So he's always going across the
world going across America. And he always used to bring back
like random games because they had the money.
He was just like ego ego. You go?
Who also adding my cousin, my cousin's.
Dad had no idea when it came to what video games are.
Prevalent at the time. I'm so we just basically bought
anything. So my cousin was her around the
house and look around, family house, every Saturday, like what
the, what are you brought this time and he'll bring stuff like
Bomberman, 64, he had. Well, the ones he had, I don't
go home on, he had going on I was like, what the fuck is this
and my other cousin had introduced us and Japanese
culture through animes and Mel's pork or mostly violent animes.
So this was kind of like, wow, animes can be nice so we kind of
picked it up. And I we've started playing and
I thought, oh, this is actually really cool.
And so I asked if I could borrow it for a little bit and I get
took it back home and blitzed it.
Absolutely blitzed it and fell in love with it.
Nice, nice. Yeah, I had, I think I sent you
a couple messages, and we were sort of talking about what about
the series a little bit. I had the original, it's I think
it's considered the original, but I do believe the one that
came out and yeah, the one in a SNES 91-92, I think is when I
came out of this in North America, anyway, I have that
game. It is it is in the room beside
me in Pile of my SNES games and I do I remember really like
enjoying it because the music was really cool.
I could play with my brother, it was you could play co-op which
is not super common, especially then and you know, you kind of
just go around and I didn't really know what was going on.
You know, some areas ghost popped up sometimes you just
walk into like an end sometimes you can play Minigames.
Like there's all these little things in it that were just fun
to do. As far as like progressing ever
in it, I don't think we ever really got very far at all.
We were just little kids at the time, but that's my experience
with this series at, and that's it.
That's where it starts and ends. And I just remember having a
good time with it, and I know that at least one of these games
existed on the N64, but I never played them because as we
discussed, before we hit record, I played all the typical N64
games growing up. You know, it was Mario Kart, it
was Mario Party, it was Mario 64, like, things like that.
All the stuff that we've talked about and will probably continue
to talk about on this on this podcast.
But like it was cool to go back to these characters that I
recognized from 30 years ago honestly and play them in a
different in a different world in 3D.
And I was like wow they realized the characters pretty well for a
fairly early N64 game. I think I thought it was going
to look really muddy. Really like rough around the
edges and for an early 3D game to take it from fully 2D to
this. I think they did a pretty good
job with it honestly. Just just the way it looks.
Well, that's the thing. If this is pre Zelda, this was
free Zelda, just post Mario. So it was a massive, massive
Adventure. Like Mario fair enough, you
know, you jump, you levels, you do this but this was trying to
bring like RPG elements and Quest elements into it and it
was a huge undertaking when you compare it to what we have now.
Yeah, fair enough. It doesn't, it doesn't look as
polished as other games. They do now, but you can still
play that and still have an absolute time and still, you
have to go into it with the understanding that.
She's a very Japanese game a very for Western audiences at
the time, they had no idea what this game was and a lot.
Other themes like a be tomorrow is basically coming out of the
shop in the first few minutes in his underpants because that's
Japanese culture. They do that sort of shit.
But that's not like it's so like I know that he was sort of a
Goofy character even in that game that I was into the SNES
game. He always had like the sort of
funnier or more wacky, you know, text and Dialogue and stuff like
that. But then office, like, literally
to start the game with him running out of I think they're
in a tea shop or something. Yeah, score any runs on.
He's literally in his underwear and he just says, you know, I
thought he really wanted to give it here.
I thought he would give us a deal because I was going to do a
dance and I'm just like, what is what's happening in this game.
All right, like nothing has happened, but everything has
happened in that one moment. It's like if you get the game
over screen, if you get the game over screen in this, you get the
depth three devils. And basically in the loop hands
doing the hula. Oops.
It's like got what the absolute Focus happening.
What is happening is happening. This is this is Japanese culture
and it was such a in your face so it's a percent.
It's not about forcing. It was great.
I got Ike I said I was kind of used to it a little bit from
watching certain anime. I know from a lot of people like
what the fuck? And it was.
Well, that's, that's honestly, that's my reaction to stuff like
this. I am not an anime person.
I don't, I don't like dislike it.
I just have not had a ton of experience with it.
Very typical stuff that, you know, I don't even know if he
said a name, I'd be like, sure. I think I've watched some of
that but nothing, nothing deep nothing, you know, and this is
later in life, I never watched anime growing up and stuff.
So, like, even just seeing this. Now, as an adult in my mid-30s,
I'm just like, what? I don't what, what?
But, but after that first, first couple of scenes, And you try
and figure out what's going on even though I don't really know
what's going on, but it it also doesn't matter and a same time
in some ways because you just appreciate the goofiness and
what they're going for and it looks ridiculous sometimes but
like how what their what they need to bring to life with like
some of the larger characters and stuff.
It just looks so insane, but it doesn't take itself.
Super seriously either? Which I, which I appreciate that
makes a huge difference because some games like this, We'll just
take themselves seriously. And then you're just like, okay
really? Is that really what you're doing
here? Like come on, let's just have
some fun, and I think this game is Just straight-up having fun
with itself, which is amazing. It is like the plot itself is
stupid, like two people from another planet.
Basically want to make themselves, the best dancers in
the world and saying turn it into it and like basically Ed 0s
Castle into a European castle. And that's the floor and you're
trying to stop these two aliens from singing and dancing.
On the way to the world that is the pot and this is no way
around that, but it's stupid but it knows it's stupid and that's
what makes it so good. Like, right, we, you know,
you're not again, you're not taking it too.
Seriously, you know exactly what you are.
You going to take it for what it is and just enjoy the ride and
whatever happens, just enjoy it. Like, literally, let's be
honest. A matter of shit that goes on in
this game, like from this two giant robots, it knows exactly
what it is. It's it's, it's wacky.
It's straight-up wacky. Like that is what it is from.
Start to finish from a ninja running out with, with no
clothes on to a giant ship, that turns a castle, into a different
type of Castle. I guess you could call it, like,
all the stuff you just talked about two, giant robots, and
everything, but I wrote miles, it's good, right?
Jab, when it comes down to it. Yeah.
The robot battles and everything else, like what's your feel?
I don't know how long it's been since you last played this.
But what's your feel with how the gameplay actually feels now,
right back to it? I think it's still like, I had
to play. I did it for my own.
Show me my cousin. Actually covered it and we went
back and we still love it. I can.
Yeah, nice going back. And just when you first go
through the forest and so the first bit of land and you hear
the music and both both e message me.
That's like, he was like, oh my God, the music just kicked in
out yet that music, I haven't heard if like 12 15 years, but I
remember it and then, yeah, it's the camera handles like shite
the platforming of the bits. You have to do aren't amazing
but you just go. Okay, so the N64 controller, you
know? Yeah.
Yeah, I gotta deal with it, you know, it's not it's a bit
cumbersome, especially when you use an impact, the robot.
It's not like you expecting these huge Mech battles to flow,
but it doesn't, but it's still fun.
And that's why I think maybe Nostalgia help me down the line
on that one because it helped push me.
So, okay, I can look past these floors, doesn't matter how bad
it is. I've still got to enjoy myself.
Where's as someone like yourself?
I can imagine, okay, this isn't, you know, maybe as great but you
didn't have those installed your Glasses to help you over the
line. Yeah, so that is a difference
for sure. I was more interested, just to
see how they took this game that I sort of recognized from 2D to
3D and see how they filled out the world and everything.
And honestly like, yeah, sure, some of the areas, but this is
for a lot of early 3D games on the N64, especially and PS1, but
like, you know, some of the worlds are just populated with
the same characters over and over and over again.
It's very, you know, it's not a whole bunch of like density or
whatever, but that's okay. I get it at that doesn't bother
me. None of that stuff.
But for the Most part actually, like the only thing that that
quote, unquote annoyed me, or I thought was less fine-tuned than
the other stuff is the traversal, like the jumping on
platforms and stuff, mainly because the jump feels very
like. It feels like he doesn't jump
quite enough or they carry can quite jump, especially, you
know, the main two characters. I think they have like this
really awkward jump. Whereas now I can't remember the
other, the little guy's name it. That's cakes that.
Yeah, he's a little bit more agile.
He's supposed to be right. And that's fine.
But every once in awhile, the traversal because of the camera,
it's and because of the way they jump, it's not great.
But other than that honestly, like hitting enemies collecting
items, you know, just sort of making your way through the, I
guess, battle areas or open spots or some of the enemies are
coming after you. I actually found it totally
fine. You know, like I honestly I
thought it was going to be super clunky and just be like oh boy
this is going to be rough, but it's actually not.
I think it actually controls fairly well, other than the
jump. Traversal stuff.
And yeah, it was always Pleasant pleasantly surprised and I
didn't have that Nostalgia to hold me through it.
So yeah, because I remember message, you know, you never
played and I was like, you'll enjoy this one, it's an
experience, I think? Yeah, it's still one that it's a
good length game. Like if you want to get the most
out of it, like, did you ever watch?
I don't think you did. You complete it.
Did you complete this game? I came, I came close.
So I was looking at because they jumped between the two, which
maybe I shouldn't have done. Maybe I would have completed it,
but you're right. It is not a short game.
There's a lot here and not even just because like just the main
I guess you could call it story arc is that but there's a lot of
like little things you can go and figure out going to like 100
different shops and areas and talk to a bunch of different
characters which like you mentioned.
I think a few minutes ago the RPG element of this isn't that
your you have like a skill tree or any of that kind of stuff.
It's not, that kind of idea. It's that you're going into all
these different open areas, essentially and you're talking
to characters and they'll give you important Items that
sometimes you need, what you don't realize, you need, until
you get to that point. And that's a little bit of
old-school, you know, game design where it's like, well,
talk to everybody and eventually you'll get what you mean.
I don't love that, but also that's just, that's just the
time. That's just what they're able to
do and what their limitations are and cartridges.
And it's fine, whatever, right? But at least you get to like,
appreciate the world that you're in and the characters that are
around you, right, and the writing is hitting Miss I think
because the translation isn't great, but at least you get that
opportunity to do that. They're all problems of the
translation like because they've got a laughing track behind it.
Yes, that's right. Sometimes they'll just they'll
just you hear the ha ha ha. And you're like, what?
What was that time is a joke that I leave the TV on upstairs.
Like, what was that? But because the translation
there was some translation errors, you kind of get there,
okay? I don't think they understand
the Western audience. I don't think we understand the
humor. I think we've met States here
but that's like it but again that just adds to the stupidity
of at all. So I don't again I don't
criticize it for that. I'm like, it's very early days.
This is like barely internet functioning time.
So I don't when it comes to translation errors, I might you
can be forgiven. This is again like the old Final
Fantasy games. I don't care.
The translation is shaky. It's one of them, you know, you
can tell the internet came along, when translation was
perfected. I don't really have an issue
with it. No.
And it's not Terrible. It's not like you can't follow
what they're saying, it's just okay.
The the joke lands a little bit flat.
So what, you know? Yeah, I've read and seen worse
things before than what's in this.
So exactly. Did you ever is at one point?
It was so Animalia, did you ever watch Dragon Ball, Z 4 bits and
pieces here? And there, I couldn't tell you
where the storyline went, or, what parts of the story line?
Because I know it's very deep story and history and everything
but from time to time. Yes.
Right. So the reason why Dragon Ball Z
0, because this two parts one I can I completely forgot one of
them and going on, has like power-ups and they all have like
these certain you know items want to goemon's power-ups.
Is that his hair turns completely yellow spikes up in
the other. I was like holy shit.
That's super saiyan and it's yes the Super Saiyan as like it's
exactly what I thought of exact because his hair is already
spiky, it's perfect just color yellow or yellow and he's
they've done a sign of the Hedgehog the and March and March
to the Dragon Ball Z University. Verse and the opening song.
Okay, now I played that when I played it again, I listened to
over that watched every moment. Well yeah, that's a cameo.
What? Well that is the same guy who
does the Shalala for Dragon Ball Z and what the fuck, how did I
miss this? Oh, what.
No way. I was like that.
So again message because him and shit, Stephen get on this and he
rested table. Seriously.
Yes. Yes.
Well, that's the other thing too.
Is that When I was looking up sort of the development of this
game and sort of how it came to be because you know, like when
they bring things from Japan over to Europe and North
America, like it's always take some time and there's a
translation and always, you know, this is a Japanese game
like you mentioned very, very much that and they had to find a
way to bring it to other markets and everything so it took a
little bit of time to get over, but one of the things instead of
having like voiceover or instead of having like other fancy bells
and whistles in the game, they really like kicked.
But with the music like that's all that this game and it's
awesome. It's awesome.
All the way through the music is the music hits.
I honestly put this down that the mystical Ninja 2.
Soundtrack is one of the best on the end 60.
It's in the top five for the N64.
It is so good Hooper and I said, it's a soundtrack that I've not
played this game, 15 odd years, and then I heard it again.
Just, you know, just make a little bit of watching a video
and it was the when they were walking through the forest of
Doom. Do do, do, do, do, do, do.
Not at all. My God it's coming back and
everything just flowed back and was like, and that's a sign of a
good soundtrack. If you can just hear the first
few seconds and you're in that that hates really.
It's like you know you listen to words like Chrono Trigger Final
Fantasy, the moment you listen to the even a bit of that song
you can just you could play the rest of the song in your head.
Yeah, yeah. And it takes, you back, takes
you back to the on the floor, sitting on the couch, whatever
it was where you play the game and that's actually that's
something that happened to me in this game as well, because I
think it's the music. Like, I know it's the music in
the first or second town of the SNES game that I played.
It's the same sort of very similar tone and and music notes
in this. Yeah, that opening section the
town and I was like, oh I just it's so it sounds so great.
I'm like this is me at six years old, sitting in front of this
game that I had no idea what was going on.
I was just whacking ghosts and people in the village to pick up
coins and all right. Cool great and like that's what
I felt. In a 3D space.
It was like, man. This is great, like they really,
they really knocked out of the park.
They were gonna do co-op with this game, which I think would
have been awesome, but one of the things they left out was
Co-op so that they could make the sound and, and the world's
be a little bit more lively. So the sound I think music,
especially, I think that's okay. I think it's okay that they
favored that because it is very, very well done.
And it's yeah, it's definitely a standout, the, the music.
And this is definitely one of the highlights.
It's for sure. I got think if they do it, I
kind of disagree with a co-op. I think if they did, you guys do
it, it would have been a bit clunky and you would have taken
away. I think 3D games like this.
I can't think of many, like you think of Ocarina of Time would
that have worked as Co-op? And probably, I don't think it
would out, maybe you could do it.
Like, if you had two different screens, but I think if you're
doing split screen on money would take away from a lot of
what you were meant to be seeing, but they definitely.
Yeah. Well, they did, they brought
Co-op back for the second. And 64 game, which fuck me?
I want to cover that because that is hard as balls the second
game 100%. So, I spent some time in it and
notice that it was co-opted offered.
Like, every time I'm playing, it's like one of the got one of
the screens of the bottom where it says, you know, two player
Press Start. You can jump in, has multiple
characters like it does in the first one, like, in this, which,
by the way, having multiple characters.
Basically, from the start, is a great idea in this game.
I absolutely love. She's, you know, yeah, it right
away and they Have different. You have different reasons why
you need them, especially as you get further into the game.
Like, at the beginning, I was like, okay, well, I'll just play
as one or the other and eventually, I'll switch back and
forth. But really, as you get at least
a third of the way through this game, you're like, okay.
Now I really need to find a way to use all of them, which is,
yeah, not something that happened.
Very often at this time. No, because you got guy, won't
go onto the pipe Sasuke had the bomb.
I think it was an awesome. He what the jetpack?
Well, then what? It was, it's ask as well.
Thank you all so scared of jet. I think it was.
Yeah. I was yeah.
Every character had their own usage making swim and I was
like, okay well yeah I'll make it with the girls.
Could swear the female assassin? Yep.
Can swim. You know, she could swim and to
everyone and be tomorrow could go really tiny and I was like,
everyone's got their own little thing and they've got their own
animations for. When they walk like Services,
murders a little floaty or where he's sort of like, just he's
grooving, man, he's screaming. Like I was walking around in
circles with him, to the music. I was like, this guy's got the
beat going. This is like a rhythm game.
It's just him walking walking, he's having the time of his
life, but everybody is everybody's got their own unique
thing. And I said, yeah, it's four
characters in one and again, link basically, if you are look
at it compared to Legend of Zelda because there's going to
be those comparisons. Sure, Link.
Has basically all those items in hand.
The way they cover that in this game is a basically.
Okay, each character is going to be an item but it just freshens
up the gameplay the whole time. Yeah, you're right.
And they all like because they all do different things like
Even just just with any sort of quote unquote, upgradeable
weapons or any of that kind of like just their basic abilities
and movement are different. So already you feel the second,
you take three steps with each character.
You feel like you're playing something different.
Yeah. And and and yeah they have a use
case for each one. It's not just because you want
to look at something different it's because they all do what
they need to do in a special way and I think that's that's
awesome and the sequel does that as well but I didn't have as
much experience. With that because I wanted to
favor this one because I was having a good time playing this
in like a 3D World. They go back to 2D.
They entered reintroduce Coop and you're right.
It is balls hard, man. Like it is tough.
I got a few levels and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go back to the
other one. Yeah, Gary.
And I had this, I bought the original, the second one.
I know, I bought the first one I've got on eBay.
I remember I saw that someone. I was like, haha, but that's a
lot harder to get, hold of and II need to play the second one
because it's one of those. It was a great game, it was
goemon's last game, I think it was yeah, Brown, Konami just
won't do anything with him apart from Palermo.
Just something they could there's something they could do
with these characters. I think because because they
have so much personality. Yeah, they could definitely
insert them into into another adventure.
Whether it's 2D or 3D and really do something Goofy with it.
And I think in a like good goofy, just like these and
Baffles me that we haven't seen another NGO, mon gate.
That's like just throw one out there and it's fucking Konami
being Konami, but to say how much he still prevalent I did
you play Smash Brothers, Smash. Oh yeah, yeah, he's yeah, I know
it's crazy. It's like make just make it
look, make them make the team sort of like to do with the
Pokemon trainer. Make a team, the character?
Yeah, make all four of them, are three of them, whatever money.
They want to throw in there, make that so you can like swap
them in and out and stuff. Like, I think, that'd be so fun.
Because you'd have like four different characters in four
different things. And it's a great way to just put
the whole roster in there. It's a honestly, when I said
let's get him back in games. It's a first thing I thought of
is like, do some sort of Smash thing.
It would, they can have them in one.
They can have them in the next one.
Like, she I should have forgot about go, I think because I did
my on as a patron episode, it was like the top 10 characters.
I'd love to see in Smash Bros and I forgot about going on
because he's already in there is a me skin to make The Woodsman
shit, you wouldn't know. Awesome yet the idea.
I wasn't even thinking the idea of doing all four as a switch,
that's even better. I just find that.
Yeah, I just find that Pokémon trainer thing.
Like it's doesn't matter if it's like the meta or doesn't matter
if it's the best care. I just find that idea that they
did with that with that fighter, really cool because you just
have three different choices. I think is really awesome
Pokemon trainers. My favorite II?
That's what I mean. I guessed off with squirrel.
I just go round going with the little n withdrawal.
I just go keep using that. I'm pissing people off because
just funny. Awesome.
Yeah Michelle. And then went inside, right?
Nations are all cool at all. Looks really great.
So then they've got 90% by Health might write.
Charizard just fire, please. Let's go.
Don't you die?
I looked for one trainer. I wish they'd bring blue.
Fuck, that's the one thing bring blue as a trainer but they don't
see him and red and green. Sorry, this is meat.
I'm a Pokemon nerd. That's just my new man.
But yeah, I lose my game. Lose my guilt.
Garrymon would have been just awesome.
Yeah, yeah, it would be really cool and something, definitely
different and really like inserting really.
I don't know if it was going to be intense, but intense is not
the right way to say it. Really unique Japanese culture
into a game like that, like yeah, game like smash is very,
you know worldwide. It's definitely not just North
American or european or anything like that but it is a worldwide
thing but a little bit more of that in there I think would put
a lot of character into it as well because this game mystical
ninja is just full of wacky character moments and there's so
many crazy characters like Mentioned earlier, there's giant
robot battles that are just like something you've never seen in
any other game, or really sense with the way that it's put in
there. And like, man, it's, they have
so many ideas smashed into this game.
I didn't expect it to be this big and full of random cool
things. I really, really didn't.
And it's all there, it's all there man.
Yeah, I think there was one bit, which I, I know, Japanese
culture a little bit now and a bit jarring and mentioned
briefly yourself. You just like, why are we doing
this? And it was when they get into
impact and there's the whole impact song,
actually play the whole song. Every time you face impact for
the reason is, is because that is what Jack Japan do?
I guys like, what old Japanese anime, like old Gundams from the
79, they can thanks is only nine.
They do that sort of shit that's their culture.
But to American audiences will be like the Power Rangers and we
like, well, they get in about 10 seconds and that the go, go go.
But I know now, why are we having a whole three-minute song
that's your pan. That is just the way it is.
Yeah, typically Japan and again, it's culture shock now, if we
play the, okay, we've Seen a lot of Japan now because of like
media is kind of introduced us to that but the time I was like
this is going on a long. Yeah, no come on, definitely
what I thought, definitely what I thought, I'm not gonna lie.
I mean, it's not terrible. But I also like nowadays were
used to you know, when something last longer than a minute it's
like a skip button pops up. Just, you know, whether it's TV
or video games, like it, just if you've seen it once, you've seen
it already, but yeah, you're right.
They're not apologizing for their culture and what they
Bring to this game into this world and that's you know maybe
as a kid I would have been like oh my God could you please hurry
up? I don't want to but now I'm just
like okay, yeah sure. It's I can spare the extra
couple of minutes and I'm okay. I'm okay.
Sit with you ready? Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
So, I mean really, man, I don't think it's like the greatest
game at all on all parts, but I don't think that's that's know
what it's going for or what you're even saying either.
But I had a great time. I still had a really fun time
with it and I I'm pleasantly surprised once again and a game
that I never played and barely knew anything about that.
I got to play it. So I want to say thank you for
suggesting this game mold. As I said, yeah, it doesn't.
It's not trying to go Game of the Year.
It's just basically a wholesome fully experience and it did it
do what it says on the tin. Yeah, I did 100%.
You didn't play this. Now, you still enjoy yourself.
Amazing. Yeah, for sure.
And definitely it's, you know, expect a game that doesn't last
a couple hours, it's got some meat behind the bones here, it's
really pretty decent, and honestly the character variety I
think was probably that in the music where the two standouts
for me. And if that sounds interesting
to you at all and you have any chance of Replay at least the
first one here, mystical ninja, then I say go for it.
So Danny man, I really appreciate it.
Thanks for taking the time to dig that back into this game.
And and jump on the show, I appreciate it.
Thank you. No, thank you for having me on.
I really appreciate it. This is my first ever coop, coop
Mission. So this is a pleasure, so thank
you for easy me into it. Gently no problem here, to help
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