1 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,360 Welcome to the show everyone. My name is David Pitrangelo and 2 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,640 this is Remember 64. If this is the first or multiple 3 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,520 times you have joined us here, welcome to the show and I am 4 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,800 Doom Guy. Doom Guy is me. 5 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,160 No, I can't jump, but get too close and I may squash you into 6 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,200 tiny bits of guts, bones and some goopy stuff. 7 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,160 That sounds really gross. Jiggy Look Back is here with me. 8 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,920 Hello. Hello, I'm here. 9 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,560 I don't know. I don't know why I did that. 10 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,840 I mean, I kind of said it. I kind of, I kind of teed it up 11 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,040 in that way. It was weird, yeah. 12 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Yeah, yeah. I don't know. 13 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,040 Maybe you just, you subtly hinted to me to do that. 14 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,480 I, I don't know, but yeah, I'm here and I got lost quite a bit 15 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,920 and hit a couple buttons over and over and over, so that's 16 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,400 cool. But yeah, but you found your way 17 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,160 here, so that's all good. On my way here I got here. 18 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,920 We got here. At least you got here. 19 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Also here with us. Yeah. 20 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,360 Also here with us. Matt, AKA Stormageddon returns 21 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,120 to remember 64. Finally, Finally, finally, 22 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,400 finally, finally. Matt, how are you? 23 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Welcome to the show. I'm good, I'm happy to be back, 24 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,960 I love doing the show, I'm a big fan, I'm a avid listener and 25 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,560 wondering by the end of this episode if my streak continues 26 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,600 because I don't know if Jiggy knows this, but I am 2 for two 27 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,560 with my games. Dave had never played either 28 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,440 game and Dave loved both games. And so that's curious if I hold 29 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,680 that record 'cause I'm, I'm trying to only pick the really 30 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,040 good N64 games, of which there are like at least 10. 31 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,200 No, I'm kidding, there are plenty of great games. 32 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:22,040 The next one, by the way, I've already decided that I'm going 33 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,840 to start evangelizing Extreme G because it just came to switch 34 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,520 and like everyone's like, oh, that game. 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,480 What's Extreme G? It's like only one of the best 36 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,200 racing games ever made and it's on the N64. 37 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,480 And it was like a little heard of it. 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Yeah. Incredible. 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,200 I I loved it growing up. I haven't played it since it 40 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,440 came back though, so hopefully it still holds up, yeah. 41 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,040 I remember when it growing up. It's always the hope. 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,760 Yeah. Well, Matt, we, we are going 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,080 from a buck bumble. Well, you mentioned the two 44 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,160 games that that you brought to the show, which I absolutely 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,080 loved. We're going to what is was 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,960 affectionately known in the middle of our recording, 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,880 unknowingly the cutest game on the North 64. 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,760 We, I think we said the word cute 19 times between the two of 49 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,760 us. So we're doing that at least. 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,280 And it's fitting. Absolutely. 51 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,480 And now we are talking about Doom 64, which may be just as 52 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,600 cute, if not more than Yoshi's Story. 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,720 It's so cute, right? So it's just adorable. 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,080 Matt, before we jump into it, let's, why don't you let 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,840 everybody know about your stuff, about your shirt. 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,760 You have a million things going on. 57 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,400 All great stuff, shirt included, as we can see in the video. 58 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,280 Why don't you let everybody know, Hey, let everybody know 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,000 about what you got going on. Sure, so I am one of the hosts 60 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,800 of Funny Games Podcast. You can get this fine shirt at 61 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,200 tjstormageddon.com, along with a lot of other cool stuff. 62 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,360 But yeah, Funny Games is a video games podcast. 63 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,240 The main show is topic based. We do retrospectives on video 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,680 game consoles, retrospectives on video game series or genres. 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 We interview guests. We have developers, composers. 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,200 The one and only legendary N64 composer Grant Kirkopp has been 67 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,920 on our show, which was a blast. And mostly try and talk about 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,600 the positive side of games, but engage in like what's going on 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,360 in the industry as well as the games we love. 70 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,080 And then within that feed, we also have a sub series called 71 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,480 Side Quests where a different host comes on and talks about a 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,720 game they love and why they love it. 73 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:21,519 Dave has done two of those. Dave did them on Mario Paint and 74 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,080 the other one will come to me. Give me a SEC. 75 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,800 It's. A newer game. 76 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:29,120 Oh, it's. Called oh Cobalt Core Cobalt. 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,920 Core, yeah, which I don't know if many people know about, but I 78 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,680 think it's a fantastic card and rogue like game so. 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,760 It what it does look very cool and I loved your episode on it. 80 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,280 And so that is a sub series where each host talks about a 81 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,200 game 11 why they love it free of judgment. 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,440 You can talk about any game, new, old, good, bad, doesn't 83 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,440 matter. It's all objective and that's 84 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,760 been like my way of injecting positivity in the space because 85 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,920 I don't know if you know this, but you know it can be pretty 86 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,560 negative when it comes to video games. 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,120 No. No, no. 88 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,760 And so, so that series been fun. And then the other series that's 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,800 still ongoing at the moment is Reignite, which is my, it 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,440 started as a Mass Effect retrospective podcast and now 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,960 it's evolved into a BioWare retrospective podcast. 92 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,040 We've moved from the trilogy of Mass Effect and Andromeda onto 93 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,800 Dragon Age. As of when we're recording. 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,360 We just wrapped up Dragon Age One. 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,000 We're about to jump into Dragon Age 2, and that's a lot of fun. 96 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,680 We make choices in the game. We try to play the characters as 97 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,440 ourselves and then discuss why we make those choices, why we 98 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,600 fall for the characters we love, all of that stuff. 99 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,760 It's really a blast. And then I am also currently the 100 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,200 editor of the Game Informer show, which is kind of a dream 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,560 come true. I edit their the audio version 102 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,560 of their podcast. I've been reading their magazine 103 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,920 since the 90s and so it's fun to be the audio editor for that 104 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,600 show. The host over there are delight. 105 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,320 And then I have ATV movie podcast called Screensnark that 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,760 is currently on hiatus, but we have a huge backlog. 107 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,840 It's me and my Co host talking about the most recent thing we 108 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,280 watched and we'll bring a guest on interview them about what 109 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,520 they do. Still a great time and hopefully 110 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,120 we'll be back this summer. I think that's everything. 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,160 I'm also a DJ and sometimes I live stream like I just I don't 112 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,640 know how to stop. I don't relax much. 113 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,280 It's it's a. Problem really your passions are 114 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,120 a problem. I don't think so I don't think 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,720 so it's it's all really good stuff it's all really good stuff 116 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,920 so that's awesome make sure to check it out everybody. 117 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,400 It is really a great listen all of the all of the work that you 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,400 do so so we have come to the point where we're gonna talk 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,200 about the game let's talk about Matt. 120 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,160 I'm gonna go back to you really quickly here before we jump into 121 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,200 more about the game itself, but Doom 64, why was this the the 122 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,280 third game that you brought to the show? 123 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:37,040 Why? Why this one? 124 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Why lucky number three? You know, third time's a charm 125 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,200 sort of sort of approach here. So I mean, it's a lot of things. 126 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,760 It's what have you covered? Oh God, that's taken. 127 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,400 I love the the wave race 64 episode, but that was going to 128 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,800 be my next choice just because that's an underrated gem and I'm 129 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,160 not exaggerating. It's one of the best racing 130 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,280 games and people are like, oh, it's so jet skis, who cares? 131 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:02,640 And like, I'm so glad that y'all loved it because it really is. 132 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,200 And so once that got taken by the incredible Aaron of 133 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,320 Superpod, I was like, all right, what am I going to do? 134 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,920 And then they had recently announced this Doom 64 port to 135 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 the Switch. It had been locked on the N64 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,520 for a while. But then when Doom Eternal was 137 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,320 coming out, they were re releasing and kind of a little 138 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,680 bit remastering, kind of just tweaking Doom 64 and putting it 139 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,120 on the on every platform essentially. 140 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,200 So you could play it now, not just on the Nintendo system. 141 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,440 And I was really excited about it because I hadn't played it 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,560 since back in the day. I love the Doom franchise. 143 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,800 I've played most of the games. I've still yet to play Eternal, 144 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,440 ironically enough. But I was like, Oh well, let me 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,840 see if you guys have covered this. 146 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,400 I had kind of assumed you had and you hadn't. 147 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,840 And so I was really excited because like I for I was exposed 148 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,160 to first person shooters on the N64. 149 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,120 I think a lot of us who didn't have PCs were right. 150 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Goldeneye was the gateway. I actually guessed it on a 151 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,040 another N64 podcast called Flashback 64 talking about 152 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,680 Goldeneye. They're doing it in 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,200 chronological order, which is ludicrous. 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,000 I don't envy them because they're between all the good 155 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,160 there is some not good chronologically. 156 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,880 But but I was like, yeah, I, I really wanted to revisit this 157 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,160 because I loved Doom. I loved Doom 2016 and like I was 158 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,240 excited to replay 64 because I don't think I've played it since 159 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,680 I had man 64 and I don't even know that I owned this one. 160 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,360 This one might have been I rented it for several weeks and 161 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,360 beat it and then returned it, but I remembered it fondly and I 162 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,440 love the PlayStation Doom games. That's how I originally played 163 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Doom was on my friend's PlayStation and played final 164 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,799 Doom actually also there. And so I was like, Oh well, 165 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,080 let's let's continue the street because I remember really loving 166 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,280 this game and so I was like, let's bring it on. 167 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Remember 64? Nice, nice. 168 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,240 Jigga, do you have experience with this game or Doom in 169 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,240 general? Do you have a history with with 170 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,480 Doom? Nope. 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,520 Really, you know what, you know what it is is I think it's the 172 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,320 age difference. I mean like, that's probably 173 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,800 what it is. I don't know how how old Matt 174 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,560 is, but I this is a game that I definitely was not allowed to 175 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:07,360 play when I was a kid, right? So, right, fair enough. 176 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,840 So is this. I will, I will, I will go even 177 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,840 further than this, like conquer. Maybe if I pushed hard enough, I 178 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,200 could have gotten them to like, like that was that was teetering 179 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,720 the line 'cause it was like it was rated M. 180 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,240 But the box art so cute. You know, Doom, my mom will be 181 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,800 like, we're going to church for just looking at that box art, 182 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,600 you know? And so is this your first Doom 183 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,480 game ever play you've ever played? 184 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:40,640 No, I did play the well, not eternal, the one before Eternal. 185 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Doom 2016, yeah. Yeah, the the, yeah, I did play 186 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,360 that one, not all the way through, but I did play it. 187 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Nice, so as far as the old school dooms, the sort of OG 188 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,360 dooms go, this is it. Damn, that's. 189 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,240 Never played it, I've always seen it. 190 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,800 I've just been like, oh, why would I play this when I have 191 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,040 what I have now? I mean that that's, that's fair 192 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,160 to in a, in a number of franchises, I would say, you 193 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,360 know, like I, I kind of, I kind of understand that. 194 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,040 I I I see. That I would I would play it if 195 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,480 I had it easily accessible. I'm just not going out of my way 196 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,160 to to go play it. Right, which is one of the 197 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,480 things that Matt was mentioning is the fact that there was this 198 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:25,160 particular version of Doom was not accessible really at all for 199 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,480 what 15 years or something, you know, at least, if not more like 200 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,920 almost 20. The original doom has been 201 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,160 available on everything, including tractors. 202 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,280 So like, you know, you could do what everything right. 203 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,040 So this this has not been played on a John Deere. 204 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,000 So I'm not sure if that makes it elite level yet or not, but but 205 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,240 it's close. It's close. 206 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,200 So for me, I, I played, I guess I played Doom earlier than both 207 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,520 of you because I ended up, I'm pretty sure at the time there 208 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:03,120 was no, no one I knew, including myself really had like a Windows 209 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,560 PC. You know, it was, it was DOS and 210 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,120 all that, which is what this was originally the first Doom was 211 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,560 really made for. Pretty sure that's how I first 212 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:12,880 played Doom. That's my experience is playing 213 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,520 on old school PCs at a friend's house 'cause they had a computer 214 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,120 that could play games and not just word processing like ours 215 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,600 had. And it was, you know, the, the 216 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 original Doom that you can get through in a few hours and you 217 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,320 kind of mess around with it and eventually you figured out 218 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,120 realize from people that hey, there's cheats on this. 219 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Oh hey, the Internet exists now you can look them up and all 220 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,200 that kind of stuff. And and then I didn't get to the 221 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:43,560 new Doom games 20 the 20/18/2016 and Eternal until two years ago. 222 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,400 I think I played them both great games. 223 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,400 They're they're awesome. So if you don't play anything 224 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,800 modern that is within Doom franchise, those are highly 225 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,480 recommended. They are very good. 226 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,640 So can I? Just give a shout out to Jack 227 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Black's YouTube channel. Oh, yes, yeah. 228 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,680 Him, his, his children basically play Doom and he's like, Oh 229 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,200 yeah, let's play, let's play this. 230 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,320 And they go in and he's like watching it. 231 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,640 And his kids, kids like 13 maybe. 232 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,320 And then his youngest one comes in who's probably like 9 or 10, 233 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,640 and he's like, your mother is going to kill me for letting. 234 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Me play. This Well then they continue to 235 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,160 play it. That guy's just a gem, you know, 236 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,320 like he's just a gem. So I, I should watch that. 237 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,960 That's great. His channel's pretty funny. 238 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,560 I've seen definitely a few things that he's done. 239 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:36,640 So all right, so I wanted to actually mention before we get 240 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,000 into like our overall thoughts and stuff. 241 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:43,040 Matt, you mentioned Flashback 64, a fellow N64 podcast out 242 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,880 there. Really quickly I kind of came 243 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,520 up, I want to see what other people thought of this game 244 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,720 because for me, I don't think I played this one. 245 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,680 If I did, I don't remember it being any distinct difference 246 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,600 from the originals or any of that kind of stuff. 247 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,120 So I was like, I don't know what this is going to be like because 248 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,960 it kind of looks the same to me. I I don't know if I even knew 249 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,840 that it existed at that time. And not only am I3 for three, 250 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,480 well could be 3 for three of bringing games that you loved, 251 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,520 which is a possibility, but I'm also definitely 3 for three 252 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,800 bringing you games you've never played. 253 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Exactly. I'll take it. 254 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,640 The hot streak, the hot streak continues 100% and and yeah, so 255 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:26,080 I just like I I didn't really, I didn't really know anyways, so I 256 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,600 wanted to ask I wanted to see what other people thought of the 257 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,080 game like I had people played this, what do they think of it? 258 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,680 So I put a really quick social media post out there earlier 259 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,400 earlier today of this recording really just a couple hours. 260 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,720 I'm super organized like just obviously know what I'm doing 261 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,080 here. Yeah, obviously flashback 64 had 262 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,360 a little had a quick response on blue sky that said it's a 263 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,040 classic stands alongside the classic doom games for them. 264 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,560 And then also Pizza Dinosaur also on Blue Sky said it's 265 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:57,480 always been my favorite and I'm glad that the 2020 re release 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,440 gained get a new reputation. And I think that's something 267 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,800 that you were touching on before, Matt. 268 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:08,040 So I think like just by those two responses alone on just one 269 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,480 social media post and reply that I was like, OK, people have a 270 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,360 good sense of like what this game is and everything. 271 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,320 And I will say this game is awesome. 272 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,920 It is great. Yeah, 3 for three. 273 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Continues. 3 for three and three for three. 274 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,600 It is just flawless, Matt, you're flawless. 275 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,400 And yeah, this, this is, yeah, I get the hair. 276 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,480 Yeah, exactly. This game, this game's awesome. 277 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,280 This game is seriously great at times. 278 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,280 There's there's little things about, we'll get into it, but 279 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,200 there's little things about just how Doom works in general. 280 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,440 That I was like, this is weird. I don't. 281 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,880 What's this decision anyways? Nothing major, nothing that 282 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,000 deterred me from wanting to keep playing or anything like that. 283 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,360 But yeah, this is a really good game. 284 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,640 I played it both on the 64 and mostly on PC because I realized 285 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,560 I had it on steam. I didn't even know that I did 286 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,280 honestly. So I I played it like that and 287 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,240 it and it controls differently, obviously, but for the most part 288 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,080 it's it's the same game. It's really the same game. 289 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,600 It just looks nicer, but it's I had a great time with this. 290 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,320 I can add to that mix. I picked it up on PS5 because it 291 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,360 was a dollar and I was like, I'm just gonna just gonna do it. 292 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Yeah. See the difference? 293 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Yeah, it's a no brainer. I did. 294 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Play it on 64 too though. How did you how did you find 295 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,400 playing it on on the difference between the two is it? 296 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,800 Well, so even though you're you're locked to just a 297 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,440 horizontal plane for looking around, you know, it's not like 298 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,800 a typical FPS, it's you know, you're locked this way. 299 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,120 Yeah, there's no, there's no up and down look like with pretty 300 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,160 much all the Doom games. I still preferred that on 301 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,280 PlayStation. OK, dual sticks. 302 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,360 I mean it just it makes more sense. 303 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,520 It wasn't bad by any means on 64. 304 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,760 It just, it just feels just from being used to it, you know, 305 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,240 first person shooter, you know, and then going back like, you 306 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,920 know, it's the same with Goldeneye, yes, it's the same 307 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:08,560 thing. It's like. 308 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,320 Right, because at the time when we did that, I also played the 309 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,120 the Switch, the Switch, Switch One. 310 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,560 Yeah, I guess I think it was. No, no, I played the Xbox One, 311 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,560 sorry Xbox One, which was very similar to this, except the 312 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,960 biggest difference with the Goldeneye thing is that you 313 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,560 could look up and down and with this on the at least on PC and 314 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,600 like you're saying on PlayStation it you still can't 315 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,080 do that you're still locked to just the X-plane of of looking 316 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,000 at everything. So I, I found it to be fine on 317 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,240 64. The controls were still fine. 318 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,040 I think they were still intuitive enough. 319 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,720 So I don't know, I I didn't see a massive difference, but I 320 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:51,320 played mostly on PC because I was like, oh, the the IT just 321 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,960 looks nicer. That's like, it's just, it's 322 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,960 just clearer. So I was like, OK, it's kind of 323 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:56,840 the same. It's the same game. 324 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,360 The the difference for me that really set it apart was on 325 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,760 PlayStation it was running at like 60 frames plus I don't 326 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,160 know. And that smooth buttery frame 327 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,560 rate is noticeable. Yes, when you go back. 328 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,040 That's true. That's true. 329 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,800 Just always prefer a a higher buttery frame rate. 330 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,560 Yeah, yeah, I think I ran into some just because it's the 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,280 console and the whatever it's a little bit darker too on the 64, 332 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,560 you know, it wasn't things like that that that you can remaster 333 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,200 and definitely, you know, have a better technology to sort of 334 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,720 spite the spruce those things up made a difference for sure. 335 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,320 So Matt, did you play this on 64? 336 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,920 Did you play it on Switch? Did you play it on PC? 337 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,080 Was there what was? I was originally, so I was 338 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,920 generally going to try and play it on original hardware or close 339 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,160 to a very legal way to play it on original hardware. 340 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,480 But because the Switch version was available and a good price 341 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,560 and I'd been wanting to pick it up anyway, I just bought it 342 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,080 there. And from what I read, like Night 343 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,920 Dive Studios does a great job with the remasters and stuff, 344 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,040 but they kept it pretty like it runs smoother obviously, and 345 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,200 it's a little sharper visually, but they really didn't change 346 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,640 that much. And so, you know, it was it, it 347 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,680 ran really great. And I mean, like we were 348 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,360 talking, I think off air a little bit about OLED switches, 349 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,880 which Jiggy and I are very much in love with. 350 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,520 And it popped on the on the OLED switch so well, like the they, 351 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,920 they definitely like color balanced it a bit. 352 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,640 You know, the four games, a lot of them could be a little on the 353 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,680 darker side, like you were saying. 354 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,680 And so I just really shined on the on the OLED. 355 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,600 The blood Reds were like like they really popped. 356 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,720 It was really, it really did look really great. 357 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,640 Nice. And I played it in handheld mode 358 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,320 the whole time, because that's the preference. 359 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,440 Sure, sure. Yeah. 360 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,480 I think it's a good looking game even on the original hardware. 361 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,200 Like I do think they did a decent job with it. 362 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:55,600 So one of the for it being only released in 97 pretty early game 363 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,000 in the life cycle. It looks pretty solid even on 364 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,040 original hardware and and yeah, all the what night dive did to 365 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,760 bring it to all the new consoles and the PC and stuff. 366 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,440 I think it it definitely they did a good job, which they've 367 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,480 done with a bunch of their games. 368 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,000 So all right, so we all have like different experiences 369 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,720 playing it. I want to quickly get into some 370 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,960 of the details of the development of the game because 371 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,760 I was wondering, you know, because like I mentioned before, 372 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,320 Doom is on everything. It's modded like crazy. 373 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,720 It's like the game for that because it's been around for so 374 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,240 long, it's easy to do all those types of things. 375 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,240 The game, this was the next, essentially the next game that 376 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,120 was going to be planned for like an official Doom sequel. 377 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,800 This was ready to be that. So they started working on this 378 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,080 in 1994. So this was an early, early plan 379 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,800 and it was originally titled Doom the Absolution and was 380 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,920 supposed to launch with the 64, but it didn't happen because 381 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,640 it's software was not satisfied with some of the level designs. 382 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,280 So that's what delayed them, which is kind of interesting. 383 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,240 So some of these level designs, I would say are a little too 384 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,720 obtuse. So maybe, you know, I think 385 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,440 that's that's kind of older level design and and things like 386 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,640 that. Anyways, I don't think it's just 387 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,080 this game that runs into that issue. 388 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,880 But, but that's something I noticed as well. 389 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720 Most of them are pretty good, but I could see that maybe in 390 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,080 early development they were like, this is too much. 391 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,840 We got to we got to fix this. So it just came out about a year 392 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,240 later, which which isn't so bad. And for the first time in the 393 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,680 franchise, they used 3D polygonal models, which is 394 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,200 basically, you know, they're scanning something that is 3D 395 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,960 instead of just a flat plain like they would with the 396 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,320 original 1. And I think that helps with 397 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,600 motion, helps with the way that the characters look. 398 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,480 And I guess that's a good jumping off point. 399 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,360 Matt, would you think about the way things looked other than 400 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,600 just like, you know, playing it on newer hardware and stuff like 401 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,400 that? Did you feel like, yeah, these 402 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,800 these are good designs. They look good. 403 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,920 They look distinct. The the silhouettes of them are 404 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,960 are, you know, important for FPS. 405 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,200 Is any of that stuff sort of sit with you all pretty much this 406 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,880 time or? Yeah, I mean, so I know the 407 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,160 original Doom pretty intimately. I played it a lot. 408 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,000 And so like I remember what those character models look 409 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,920 like. And the first time I encountered 410 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,400 like a caca demon or like even the like old demon, I was like, 411 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,960 oh, these are these are brand new character models. 412 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,160 They built new character models because from Doom through doom 413 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,800 two and final doom, they were all the same character models, 414 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,800 like it was all the same stuff. And so they they really rebuilt 415 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,200 this game for the ground up. I love how the weapons all look 416 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,160 a little different. The chainsaw is a double bladed 417 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,280 chainsaw, which is so and so like. 418 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,640 I really love the design of this game and I'm a sucker for like 419 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,680 old school polygonal stage layouts. 420 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,800 Like they don't age to me because I'm, well, first of all, 421 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,240 we've got games like Minecraft still doing that intentionally. 422 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,200 So like it's an aesthetic that's still around quite a bit. 423 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,840 But I don't know, there's something about it that just 424 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,240 feels video games to me, right? And like this is a video game 425 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,760 ass video game. Oh yeah. 426 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,160 And I really loved how it looked. 427 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,840 Yeah, I think it holds up really well. 428 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,240 I think it's that continued thing that like good well made 429 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,000 polygons, but good Sprite work will always hold up longer than 430 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,640 like completely polygonal graphics and this is an example 431 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,400 of that. I think it looks as impressive. 432 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,400 Now again, I'm playing the slightly tweaked version on the 433 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,600 switch, but I think even still, like I did watch some videos of 434 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,360 the original game and like I think it really like even the 435 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,320 original, other than being a little darker, absolutely holds 436 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,640 up visuals wise and that's a lot of N64 games. 437 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880 I would argue that like, you know, it's easy to dunk on Mario 438 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,440 64 'cause he looks like he's made out of blocks, but the 439 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,720 reality is it's very charming. He's very cartoony in that game. 440 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,400 And I think that these polygons as opposed to like the realistic 441 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,360 ones and like the old Resident Evils and stuff hold up much 442 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,760 better. But but I think Doom's got that 443 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,960 vibe also like with the darkness and the lighting and like the 444 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,400 the how everything is just kind of arranged. 445 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,880 It really did did and does look very good. 446 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,280 Yeah, I think I had. There was where was it? 447 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,760 There was one I wrote down. So there are a lot of new models 448 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,640 for this one, new enemies, but one specific one only shows up I 449 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,280 think until much later. Where is it? 450 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:16,800 Which one did I have here? Oh, the the purple, these guys 451 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,720 that I'm fighting right now is the purple. 452 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240 What's the name of them now? Oh my God. 453 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,720 They're phantoms. I don't remember, it's been a. 454 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,560 Minute Oh, the imp, the Imps, the the guys that they they 455 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,320 basically just look like they're on two legs and they they throw 456 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,680 fireballs and they have like claws and whatever right though 457 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,400 those guys that you've seen since the first one brown the 458 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,720 brown ones and I think there's a red one or something. 459 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,320 Anyways, those are exclusive to this game. 460 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,040 They kind of act the same as the other ones. 461 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,000 I think they have more health or maybe the fireball does more 462 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,760 damage. I'm not really sure exactly, but 463 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,240 that's one of the things that they had, you know, the 464 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,600 varieties all here that the, you know, for the most part, the 465 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,000 enemies are all here. I don't know, Jiggy, does 466 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,680 anything stand out as like your favorite or the one you hated 467 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,480 the the most? Because I definitely have some 468 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,520 choices. The ones I hated the most 469 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:06,920 anytime they had an enemy that could shoot me from a distance 470 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,200 inside of like a gate. Above me. 471 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,400 And I'm not like paying attention and then I get shot. 472 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,480 I hated those. There's also an invisible one 473 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,200 that will like yeah on you, and if you're not paying attention, 474 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,880 you're like, what? Those are the big, those are the 475 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,040 big boys, right? With the Yeah, the. 476 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,960 Big boys. And basically it's a walk they. 477 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,320 Sink a lot of hits. Yeah, yeah, well, those those 478 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,160 are the guys you need for the chainsaw with That's that's what 479 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,760 you need. Oh yeah. 480 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,480 Rip into them with the chainsaw. Yeah, I guess I didn't even I 481 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,320 said I I said how much I like this game. 482 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,160 Jiggy, how'd you like this game? Considering this is like your 483 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,520 first old school Doom game, What'd you think? 484 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,120 No, I liked it. I thought it was a lot of fun. 485 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:51,400 I get the appeal. I there's, there's one aspect of 486 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,320 it that I'm not super fond of and you guys tell me if this is 487 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,040 a normal Doom thing or if it's this specific Doom. 488 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,040 There was a lot of grabbing key cards and finding the doors that 489 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,760 it opens and like going back and forth and back and forth. 490 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,960 I didn't like that so much. Yeah, that's doom. 491 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,800 You, you, you look for the door. Pretty. 492 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,840 Inherent to doom, yeah. Yeah, you look for the door that 493 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,200 has that color and you're like, oh, I need the key for that. 494 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,400 That's that's pretty much every level. 495 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Yeah, it wasn't bad. It was just like, it happened a 496 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,520 lot, Yeah. It's most levels. 497 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,920 It's the. Basic puzzle. 498 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,440 Yeah. The basic puzzle in Doom is, oh, 499 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,080 there are these doors, how do I get in them? 500 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,120 Oh, there's a key card. How do I get that key card? 501 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,640 Yeah. And like, it's that, you know, 502 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,120 and they they had to, they were creative a little bit in here. 503 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,240 But I do agree by like the last stage, you were kind of like 504 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,520 another key card. I thought I was done all right, 505 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,720 I got to go find it. Like it can it can drag a little 506 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,680 bit. I I can totally get that. 507 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,400 What I did like about it though, was the fact that sometimes the 508 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,960 key cards weren't, they weren't always visible. 509 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,680 And you do something like you go hit a switch and it would open 510 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,680 the door and you go into the like this. 511 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,640 I'm thinking of this one specific instance where I open 512 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,120 this door. I went through the door and 513 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,240 there was like a thing of ammo. I'm like, isn't this where I was 514 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,680 supposed to progress? And then I turned around only to 515 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,400 see a wall open up. And then by the time I got to 516 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,720 it, it closed and I was like, wait, wait, wait, I have to be 517 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,360 fast. And so then it cost me to do it 518 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,960 a few times before I got, you know, got the timing right. 519 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,320 But I was like, that was that was a really cool way to show a 520 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,560 secret area. But like, I don't know. 521 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,760 I like that. Stuff it's, it's subtle, right? 522 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,960 Something like that feels subtle but also obvious at the same 523 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,360 time. And it's kind of like a weird 524 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,480 way of trying to do that. But it's, it is like a puzzle, 525 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,080 Matt, like you said, like that, it doesn't seem like it is 526 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,760 'cause you're like, oh, I just need to find a thing to open a 527 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,240 thing. OK, You know, that's every game 528 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,160 ever that has a door. But still they found a way to, 529 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760 to, to do that. And I think for the most part 530 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,640 the that that puzzle of that, like you said, is, is pretty 531 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,280 well done. I mean, sometimes it's a little 532 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,240 obtuse, but for the most part and I just. 533 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,800 It it also has a really good distinction between areas yes 534 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,960 which with these kind of graphics and on the 64 in 535 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,880 particular that's hard to do I think without like big 536 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,240 landmarks, cuz I'm thinking I'm thinking like Banjo Kazooie just 537 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640 relating to what I know like yeah big thing in the middle 538 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,080 spiral mountain this is spiral mountain that's my landmark 539 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,880 everything's around that you know the. 540 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,920 Pirate ship Like yeah. Yeah, there's no landmark in 541 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,480 Doom, but you enter a room, you're like, Oh yeah, this room, 542 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320 you know, And it, it does a really good job of separating 543 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,000 those rooms, making them look really distinct. 544 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,400 It does it. It's Maisy, but it doesn't feel 545 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,880 as Maisy as it probably could have. 546 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,520 Oh, did you? You, did you. 547 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Sorry. Go ahead, Matt. 548 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,880 Go ahead. I was just to say also, I think 549 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,000 part of it is this like Doom is one of the OG boomer shooters 550 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,800 that like speed was important and you were actually meant to 551 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,920 move fast. And the fact that you move so 552 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,240 fast allows you to cover ground quickly. 553 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,760 And so even if you unlock something on the other side of 554 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760 the map, like getting there won't take you 20 minutes, it'll 555 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720 take you a few minutes. And I think that helps the flow 556 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,080 state of the of the spaces, make them feel like it's not that 557 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,760 bad, bad to retread because you you can get around so quickly. 558 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,120 Yeah, and most of the stages aren't massive either. 559 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,680 There's definitely a few that are are bigger like the one I'm 560 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,200 playing right now. I can't remember which level 561 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,360 this is, it's probably 1520, something like that, like 562 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,480 halfway through the game or something. 563 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,400 This one I really like, I really liked. 564 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,040 I'm glad I captured this one cuz it felt like there was a lot of 565 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,040 twists and turns and different ways to go. 566 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,120 There's water, there's upstairs, there's sort of a mid level, 567 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,520 there's these ramps that bring you up and you know, I, there's 568 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,960 like this one little spot where you walk down 1 ledge And 569 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720 because you can't jump, like I alluded to in the intro, because 570 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,120 you can't jump, you can't walk over certain size of ledges. 571 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,280 So it's like, well, that seems like such a simple thing, but 572 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,320 now I have to find a way to get back up on that ledge when I 573 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,800 have the right key to get to the door that is on the other side 574 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,720 of that ledge. So where else do I go? 575 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,480 And now I'm, you know, in a hallway that I saw from a 576 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,120 distance before that I shot enemies from, you know, to from 577 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,760 a distance like all these little things. 578 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,120 And, you know, for the most, that's pretty much every level, 579 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,680 just a matter of different stages. 580 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,280 These are the enemies I hated the most. 581 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,720 The little skull heads absolutely hate them. 582 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,560 I will build on that because I didn't hate the skulls, but what 583 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,320 I did hate were the pain elementals that spit out the 584 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,720 skulls and then when you blow them up, they blow up into a 585 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,720 bunch more into skulls and they're just surrounded. 586 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,240 And I was just like, I hate these guys. 587 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,200 And they only really come in towards the end of the game. 588 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,760 But like, I think it's on the final boss of the game, like 589 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,520 when every enemy spawns before you fight the boss, like there's 590 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840 a bunch of them and it's just such a pain in the ass. 591 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,280 I know, and I have this habit of, I mean it's a great gun, but 592 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,160 using the shotguns as much as possible, they're amazing. 593 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Both of them especially. Is it super shotgun? 594 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,800 Is that what it's? Called the Super Shotgun. 595 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,520 So the Super Shotgun is my favorite video game weapon of 596 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,640 all time. So the next to the shovel blade 597 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,440 from Shovel Knight. But like this, the Super Shotgun 598 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,440 is just one of the most satisfying weapons to use in a 599 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,080 video game. And even in the modern Dooms, it 600 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400 still feels that satisfying. It's why I love the shotgun on 601 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,320 Halo 'cause it has the same kind of kick. 602 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,400 Yeah, I love that gun. I used it as much as I could. 603 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920 What I do like about this game is that they give you just 604 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,400 enough ammo that you do need to cycle between guns, but you can 605 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,240 stick to a handful of them. But they do still kind of force 606 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,120 you to switch between stuff, which I appreciate because all 607 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080 the guns, like, there's no bad guns in this game. 608 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400 I just like certain ones better than others. 609 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,360 Yeah, for sure. And then the reason why I 610 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,440 brought up the shotgun and why I like it so much, and the 611 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,360 difference is that with those little skull dudes, it, it 612 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,240 doesn't really help you that much because you have to reload 613 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,520 after every shot. So it's like it, it's not that 614 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,960 you can't kill them, it's just if there's a bunch like a swarm, 615 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,400 like you said, you're kind of you need to have something 616 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,400 faster or whatever, right? the Super shotgun's amazing and 617 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,160 it basically uses two or three bullets of the regular shotgun. 618 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,720 So that's fun. Definitely takes out some of the 619 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,240 bigger guys a lot quicker. There's still some distance to 620 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,880 the shotguns, which is nice and refreshing, which is good. 621 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,760 And I think I killed myself about 15 times with the rocket 622 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,000 launcher being too close to enemies. 623 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,480 Absolutely. Absolutely. 624 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,400 Every time. Yeah. 625 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,640 If you're in a small room, you're like, oh. 626 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,800 I gotta switch weapons I'm out of. 627 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,440 Ammo shock. Oh, I got the rocket launcher. 628 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,400 Oh no, and oh shit. Yeah, Jiggy, what stood out to 629 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,720 you? Any any particular weapons? 630 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,120 I'll. Tell you what didn't stand out 631 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,080 to me and the the pistol like you have like right dude, if I 632 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,080 have to sit there, I'm like laying down like fifty shots on 633 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440 one guy. I'm just so freaking die 634 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,400 freaking die. It was awful and there were 635 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,240 moments where I was forced to use that gun. 636 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,960 OK, I did not want to use that gun. 637 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,840 I do love the rocket launcher. I had a lot of fun with that. 638 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,960 I only killed myself once that I vividly. 639 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,600 Remembered all. I had to say but the chainsaw is 640 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,240 definitely my favorite weapon hands down. 641 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,600 Nice. It it was just the second I got 642 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,640 it I would just have No Fear and I would charge through any 643 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920 level. All enemies meant nothing to me. 644 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,080 I I wish you had, I wish you got it more though. 645 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,320 I wish you got it more 'cause it, it is fun to use. 646 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,920 Yeah, for. Sure, I do love that this game 647 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,240 doesn't punish you for melee. Like between the chainsaw and 648 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,800 then the berserk ability, which makes you just punch like it's 649 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,720 like it's totally worth it. And the first time you get the 650 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,280 berserk and you punch a demon and it just explodes from one 651 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,680 punch. Like it's just it's so worth it 652 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,440 and like, and it's one of those things that like they carried 653 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960 over into the modern dooms, but that's always been dooms thing 654 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,520 is like you are like in Halo and other games, you're meant to 655 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,720 feel very strong, but not invincible, but as like the as 656 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,440 the the space marine, you're meant to be what the demons 657 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,120 fear, right? You're so powerful and I and I 658 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,440 love that it's just very metal. And I really think that they 659 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,120 those weapons in particular really convey it. 660 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,240 And then I do have to, of course, just shout out the BFG 661 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,080 because it's just, it's, it's, it's a legendary gun in, in 662 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,240 video game community and like firing off 1 green blast and 663 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,600 then watching like a ton of enemies light up at once and 664 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,480 fall over is just always satisfying. 665 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,320 That's the other thing too is like like this is this at this 666 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,040 point this is a / 25 year old game. 667 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,960 It is it's an old school game. It's an old school type of game. 668 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,480 Yes, they're, you know, made modern ones and everything but 669 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,800 weapons, how they feel, how they feel against enemies is always 670 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,920 been what Doom had done from day one, done well. 671 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,200 And it's just really great that they just they might introduce 672 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,080 new ones or they might use the same ones, but in certain 673 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,280 different environments and against different enemies. 674 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,320 They still feel sad, like a simple thing like a shotgun is 675 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,480 our favorite weapon in this game. 676 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960 Like that's, that's something when you have something like the 677 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400 BFG, yes, it's, it's hard to get sometimes. 678 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,520 You don't always have that handy. 679 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,000 But the only time they punish you is if you do die, you have 680 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,960 to restart the level with none of your weapons. 681 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,080 And yeah, it's an interesting tactic. 682 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,440 And I don't know that it's great later in the game 'cause I think 683 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,239 you're a little, you're a little, you're hindered by it a 684 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,080 little too much, I think. But I, you know, instead of 685 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,040 having 10 lives, you have hang on to your weapons as much as 686 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,440 you can. Like that's that's the goal, 687 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080 right? And I don't know, I don't know, 688 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,760 Jiggy, you sort of like shook your head a little bit. 689 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,360 You didn't love that as well or? Yeah, I, I don't. 690 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,120 It's. I don't like feeling punished 691 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,360 for being bad. You know it's. 692 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,320 Like I already lost, like just just give this to me. 693 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000 Yeah, yeah. Well, like, you know, it's one. 694 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,800 Of those invisible guys. Yeah, there he. 695 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,480 Is, yeah, yeah. It, it does help and it's great. 696 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000 Another thing about about DOOM in general and, and with this 697 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,160 game is sound helps 'cause you can hear them coming. 698 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,000 Playing this game with headphones was great 'cause 699 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,960 there is so much fucking atmosphere in these games and 700 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,120 it's so simple too, right? Like it's just some noises, some 701 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,600 subtle, you know, background music in a way. 702 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640 Like, that's it, that's all you need. 703 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,920 And that's I, I think that's just like really good sort of 704 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,080 sound design and, and, and music and all that kind of stuff. 705 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520 And like, I don't know if these games would feel the same if 706 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,440 that wasn't such a such a success. 707 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,760 Easy for me to say. I really, I really like that 708 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,120 about it. And like those invisible guys, 709 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,600 for example, I think I knew. I probably knew he was there 710 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,560 because I could hear it. And then he was like right up in 711 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,880 my face. I was like, oh, shit, got to 712 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,680 react. But yeah, yeah, I thought it 713 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,680 was, Oh my God, are these skull guys like get out of here. 714 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,680 I hate it. I hate it. 715 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,200 I hate it. Leave me alone. 716 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,280 The thing about this too is like when you die, it's one of those 717 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,120 games you build that muscle memory and you really, really 718 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,080 have to use it. Like once you get to the point 719 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,240 where you're you're dying at this specific point, you reach 720 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,120 past it. Like you blaze through the 721 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,960 levels so fast 'cause I there was like, I'm going to use the 722 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,720 first level as an example because the first level I was 723 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,680 really just kind of being like really leisurely exploring and 724 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,960 finding secrets and stuff and which I love finding secrets 725 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,200 anytime there's a wall that's just like invisible. 726 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,800 Oh yeah, I'm like. Oh, like it's so satisfying. 727 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,600 There you go, I just found one. Yeah, that's awesome. 728 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,840 Like how did I know it was there? 729 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280 I don't know, it just looks slightly different look. 730 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,200 Like how you know is you just click on every wall till one 731 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,720 opens that's. Yeah. 732 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,520 Anything, anything that's not direct, well, even sometimes 733 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,680 direct wall. I mean, I was going to say 734 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,360 anything that's like protruding from the wall, but even the wall 735 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,360 itself, because I've walked through walls, I've opened 736 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,920 walls, even hit a switch where mysterious parts of a wall open 737 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,520 up. Like it's, it's really cool, but 738 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,840 it went to go back to it when you find those secrets and 739 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,040 stuff. I mean, I would memorize the 740 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,280 layout. I would go back, I would pick 741 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,320 things up super fast and I go through and I blaze through the 742 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,400 enemies. I'd be like, oh, I know I'm 743 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,640 gonna have three enemies on my right. 744 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,120 Oh, I know when I hit the Switch, I'm gonna have two 745 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,320 enemies on my left. You know, and you can get that 746 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,920 kind of choreographed muscle memory fire, hip firing and then 747 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,400 you're, you just feel kind of, you know, badass you. 748 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,480 You learn quickly. You definitely learn quickly. 749 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,640 There's definitely a few levels where some of them are even 750 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,640 short where I just, I died at, you know, let's say 1/3 of the 751 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,080 way through. I was like, oh shit, OK. 752 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,640 Then I made it halfway through and then I did the whole thing. 753 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,280 I was like, well, all I needed was to replay it a few times. 754 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,800 Is it a little bit of a pain in the butt? 755 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,560 Sure, kind of. But it still kind of feels good. 756 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,280 Like, I don't know it it does make you feel a little bit more 757 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,120 of a bad ass, even if you have just the pistol for a few 758 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,720 minutes anyway, I think. Oh yeah. 759 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,760 And then the map. The map is a thing too. 760 00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,600 I forgot. Yeah, it's. 761 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,800 It it's just so PC game. It's such APC game map, 762 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,160 especially an old PC game map. It reminds me of like the old 763 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,520 Diablo maps too. And like Diablo one and two. 764 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,280 It would kind of just show up over the game play. 765 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,160 I love. That I yeah, 4 doesn't do that 766 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,680 right. They don't. 767 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,240 Have no, I don't think. So that's one of the things I 768 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,800 miss is I always played. I don't, I don't know if three 769 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,200 did. I'm pretty sure it did, but I 770 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,400 definitely always played two with the sort of translucent the 771 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,720 the see through map on top. When we started, when I started 772 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,080 playing four, I was like, wait, where's that option? 773 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,720 What the hell? That is Diablo to me anyways. 774 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,920 I wish in some ways you can do that here. 775 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,360 I don't know the map is. Yeah, a little bit. 776 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,600 You can kind of guide yourself. You can't see any of the enemies 777 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,960 on the map, but you can help you get stuck if you're not sure 778 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,120 what to click on or kind of where the path is. 779 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,960 I wanna go back to the sound and the composition. 780 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,080 So the sound design in this is the sound design in Doom games 781 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,280 is some of the best. The shotgun sounds satisfying, 782 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,200 the demons sound scary. The boss cries are really great, 783 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,160 like you can always know when you haven't. 784 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,400 You've missed an enemy, or maybe an enemy fell off a ledge 785 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,800 because you can hear their cries. 786 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,880 All of that. But the composition in this game 787 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,840 is really interesting because a lot of people associate Doom 788 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,720 with Metal. Rightfully so, because both the 789 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,640 modern games and the original two games have a ton of heavy 790 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,840 metal influence. This game, however, doesn't 791 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,480 really. There are a couple of hard 792 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,520 hitting tracks but for the most part this game is really ambient 793 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,120 and I love that the differentiation from the basic 794 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,400 the original Doom games is that this one went more for ambiance. 795 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,760 There are still some really cool tracks but like it's not as 796 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,720 pulse pounding as the original Doom was or the modern ones are 797 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,360 and I think that's a cool choice to make. 798 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,960 And I I I'm not 100% but I believe Aubrey Hodges who 799 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,200 composed for this wasn't the original Doom composer. 800 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000 He worked on the original Doom games but he wasn't like the 801 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,440 lead composer on those games. He was someone else who just 802 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,520 came back for this and like, it's so cool to see that he kind 803 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,400 of put his stamp as something a little different. 804 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,400 And he's done like a ton of stuff, not only just on the N64, 805 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,040 but like just, you know, throughout the years he's worked 806 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,920 on some really memorable games and like, it's just kind of cool 807 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,680 to see his take on this. He also worked on Quake, so like 808 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,280 worked on. Two of the best shooting games 809 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,240 on the N64 he composed for, which is pretty neat. 810 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,800 Yeah, I I love the design. The sound design of this game, 811 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,280 like the chunk of the shotgun is still weighted, like you feel it 812 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,840 every time you fired. It's always so satisfying. 813 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,960 Yeah, some one of the best sounding video games I think 814 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,960 ever is the Doom franchise as a whole, but this one for sure. 815 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,840 Yeah, it's, it's great. And I think, you know, it's, 816 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,920 it's subtle things, you know, like you're mentioning that 817 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,720 there's not a lot of like a lot of big bombastic music and 818 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,680 stuff. It's just, it's going for those 819 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,800 vibes. It's going for those creepy 820 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,280 vibes. Like sometimes I was 821 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,960 legitimately like, I did a little, oh, you know, sometimes 822 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,600 it's because an enemy just popped up in front of me. 823 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,320 But it's just those little hints of, of the, of the enemies 824 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,440 crying out, like you said. And then you turn the corner and 825 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,960 it's like, oh, it's that enemy. Oh shit, now I got to switch on. 826 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,680 I got to be prepared. You know, there's different ways 827 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,400 to approach all of them and, and the more you play it like once, 828 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,600 once it kind of got a third way through the game, I was like, 829 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,480 hey, I'm listening for certain things. 830 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,160 I have a feeling this level might have this kind of enemy 831 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,000 here. And then it surprises you in 832 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,680 different ways. And that's partially due to the 833 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,800 sound design, partially due to just the design in general of 834 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,800 it. It's just it's great. 835 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,200 I had such a good time sort of just feeling like I was playing 836 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,040 that old school Doom again because it's been so long since 837 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,560 I have and, and I found it cool that like, I don't know what it 838 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,160 is. I just didn't expect. 839 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,480 Maybe I didn't even know this existed when I was younger 840 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,440 because I just didn't expect like Doom to be Doom 64. 841 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,240 There's something about it where it doesn't feel like this is the 842 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,720 game that would be out on this console. 843 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,560 Like there was supposed to be a PlayStation version of this, but 844 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,440 it never happened. That maybe just because I was 845 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,880 younger at the time and I was like, oh, PlayStation is the 846 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,800 adult console or whatever it was. 64 is meant for my Banjo 847 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,920 Kazooie and my Mario. Yeah, the fun. 848 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,440 Machine, The fun machine. Yeah, the kids fun machine. 849 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,800 Yeah. I thought it was. 850 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,680 I thought it's great. I think it I think it fits well, 851 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,000 it plays well, all that kind of stuff. 852 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,000 So did you guys have any particular like, I don't know, 853 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,280 favorite stages like early stuff, late stuff? 854 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,640 It's tough, like a lot of the stages bleed together just 855 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,280 because the I played it in like a sitting or two. 856 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,040 I didn't really take my time with it. 857 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,000 Also, if you're someone who's like, I'm not really good at 858 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,120 first person shooters, first of all, I'm awful at them 859 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,360 constantly. I'm not a good at first person 860 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,520 shooters. So don't feel bad. 861 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,720 But also, this is this game is from the era of cheats and I 862 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,480 love cheats because it's not cheating, it's augmenting the 863 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,560 game accessibility options as we call them now, because none of 864 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,240 it is really cheating is if they allow you within the game to do 865 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:46,920 it. And with Doom itself, like the 866 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,480 franchise, especially the older ones, they, they build all these 867 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,840 in because they know it's fun. They know it's an option that 868 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,280 like it's, it's been like Doom is meant for cheats and mods and 869 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,640 things like that. So that's also. 870 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,400 Completely and so I won't go for it. 871 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040 I won't get I won't get on my accessibility soapbox. 872 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,120 Although I will say no, go for game lets you do it it it's OK. 873 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,480 Like I remember getting yelled at and Elden ring because I got 874 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520 a a mage spell early that was like a kamehameha practically 875 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,120 and like devoured early bosses and they're like, Oh, you're 876 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,840 cheating. I was like, no, I secrets broke 877 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,480 something the game let me do. And then I made it easier for 878 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,240 like 3 bosses and then I still got stopped. 879 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,200 So be quiet. But like I about halfway through 880 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,040 this game, I turned on immense ability because it's like, I 881 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,920 want to see the levels, I want to see the, the, the stages, I 882 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,720 want to see the bosses, I want to see the quote UN quote story. 883 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,080 And it was still hard because like they're still, you got to 884 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,840 find stuff like they're still challenges even if you're 885 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,680 invincible. But like I the the cheap menu is 886 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,960 great. They have a lot of options in 887 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,400 it. You can skip stages and all of 888 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,640 the stuff. And so the fun thing with 889 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,760 invincibility, though, is you could get soft locked because if 890 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,200 you fell in a pit where there was no way to climb out and you 891 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,720 are invincible, you couldn't die. 892 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,360 And so I would have to like, restart the stage or skip the 893 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,760 stage, which I thought was funny because. 894 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,360 But yeah, I, I, I really think that this is worth it for anyone 895 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,160 to play because not only is it available everywhere now, but it 896 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,000 is, like I said, completely accessible with the cheat codes 897 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,240 and everything else. And it is worth experiencing on 898 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,920 some level, especially if you've been curious about Doom. 899 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,480 This is a great way to play a really good version of it. 900 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,720 And I agree, Dave, like I would have never thought that this 901 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,960 would be in the N64's catalog and that would hold up so well. 902 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,480 Like I really expected it to, to not have aged well in a similar 903 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,320 way to some other N64 games have. 904 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,240 But it really does. And, and, and I'm really stoked 905 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:38,840 about that because I wasn't sure. 906 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,280 I just knew I wanted to play Doom 64 and I'm really excited 907 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,560 to have seen how well it held up. 908 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,920 It, it feels great to play like honestly, it just, it just does. 909 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,160 And, and part of it is, is that nostalgia thing where I'm like, 910 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,360 I'm playing Doom again. And I'm, I can picture where in 911 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,000 the house at my buddy's place that we played it. 912 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,480 It was in like his dad's office on the main floor, like, you 913 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,720 know, a few feet away from the kitchen where our parents are 914 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,160 always would hang out and stuff. So it was like, you know, they 915 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,440 could watch over us in case anything happened or we're doing 916 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,880 something we shouldn't be doing or whatever. 917 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,760 You know, I guess Doom was OK when we were 10, but I guess 918 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,120 that was fine. But maybe because his older 919 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080 brother was there and he's like 3-4 years older than us. 920 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,640 I don't know what the excuse was, but but I like it felt like 921 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,840 I was playing that game again, even though I clearly wasn't. 922 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,600 It still feels old school enough, but also feels just 923 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,360 modern enough, partially because it played mostly on PC, but it's 924 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,840 still it didn't didn't go and and like make this. 925 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,400 Some did it. They have the new ones if they 926 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,840 want. You want to play a new Doom, 927 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,000 play the new Doom. You don't have to play this. 928 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,880 You don't have to play some remade version of this. 929 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,480 You know what I mean? So the only other thing, the 930 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,920 only thing, this is a doom thing. 931 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,680 It's 100% of Doom thing. It's not just this game I really 932 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,800 hate sometimes when you have when I mean, this is again, 933 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,360 Jiggy. This reminded me because you 934 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,840 were talking about the keys and stuff. 935 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:10,160 You press a switch that opens a door or brings up a ramp or 936 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,280 whatever it does. You hear the sound and you're 937 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,880 like, all right, great, I can progress. 938 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,400 Where the shit is this thing? And then the switch turns off. 939 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,360 And then yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, that's the 940 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,040 worst, yeah. Yeah. 941 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,640 And then like the switch turns off and you're like, all right, 942 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,680 I didn't see it and it turned off, so not going to turn it 943 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,920 back on again. But I still don't know where it 944 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,000 is. And then you spend this like 945 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,480 running down each hallway after you press the button to see 946 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,520 where it is. And like, yeah, that's a Doom 947 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,480 level design thing. But I mean, it was it eventually 948 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,400 it just ended up being entertaining to me because I was 949 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,240 like, oh, here we go. All right, where are we going? 950 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,800 Or like, what's even worse, I think, and I think Jiggy, you 951 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,280 were talking to this a little bit earlier. 952 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,360 It's like when you press the button and you see where the 953 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,680 door is, but it's like on the other side and over a ledge. 954 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,680 And you know, you have to do a little bit of platforming to get 955 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,880 there with no jumping. Which I will say that some of 956 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,240 the platforming when running is really fun because you're kind 957 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,000 of like hopping, but like you see it and you're like, all 958 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,800 right, I got to get there. And then you just keep falling 959 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,240 because you can't get to it in time and like that, which is 960 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,320 also a very doomed thing. Actually the first time I I I I 961 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,800 played this. The first time I, I started 962 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,240 playing, it was on the 64, but I didn't know there was a run 963 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,000 button. It didn't, it didn't include it 964 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,160 didn't occur to me. And I think it's maybe like the 965 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,880 second or third stage where you need it to get over those 966 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,240 little, you know, hop over those little ledges and stuff like 967 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:29,480 that. And I'm like, I have no idea 968 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560 what to do. What the hell. 969 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680 Like there's nowhere else to go. It's not a big level, nothing 970 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,880 crazy as like, what could this possibly be? 971 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,240 And I actually had to look it up. 972 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,720 I was like, how do I beat like the second level, which should 973 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:49,760 be somewhat quote UN quote easy, And it was like, oh, there's 974 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,520 run. I felt like such an idiot. 975 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,720 Let. Me, let me say so I've had two 976 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,200 instances in this game where I was like they they should have 977 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,120 just they should have just given me a jump button. 978 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,040 One was when a secret door opened up and it was slightly 979 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,120 elevated so you couldn't get into it. 980 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,480 You had to walk. But what they put out was this 981 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,280 tiny little circle of a step like or opens. 982 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,080 There's this tiny little circle in the corner. 983 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480 So you have to get to the corner and then go up. 984 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,600 You can't just like run straight. 985 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,920 You have to like go against the wall and then go in and then the 986 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,680 second one was there was a small gap, OK, and there's enemies all 987 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,800 around. So I'm like shooting the 988 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,880 enemies, right? They got all the enemies. 989 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,960 I run and you auto hop that gap and then you turn around the 990 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,320 corner and then there's the same exact gap. 991 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,040 I'm running, I'm still running and for some reason I don't make 992 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,040 the 2nd jump. And it happened like three or 993 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,560 four times in a row. I don't know what was up with 994 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,720 that. I stopped moving after the 1st 995 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,360 jump. This is just how I conquered it. 996 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,200 I stopped moving and then I turned on auto run again and 997 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,320 then I, I bolted and then I was fine. 998 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,840 It was like keeping that momentum didn't happen when I 999 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,400 continued running. I had to stop for a second and 1000 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,320 compose myself. That 2 foot jump. 1001 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,400 Literally take a step back like. Literally. 1002 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,160 I mean, you could have. If I was in the game I could 1003 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,200 have done no problems. Oh, for sure, For sure. 1004 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,560 Yeah, yeah. Punch demons and kill him in one 1005 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,920 hit but he can't hop over a 2 foot gap. 1006 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:29,040 Come on, come on, Doom guy. Oh, I can't jump. 1007 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,400 Oh, no, he's not. He's not really fully suited and 1008 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,720 stuff. Come on, buddy, let's let's just 1009 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,800 a little, you know, extend your legs. 1010 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,480 You know, you don't have to go to the gym to do that. 1011 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,080 Just just one little, you know, you don't have to work out. 1012 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,520 You're you're fine. You could do it. 1013 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,840 I I, I had AI had a really good time with this. 1014 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:54,680 I think I haven't played every old doom game old or you know, 1015 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,760 the style of Doom game. I can't remember which one I'm 1016 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,000 missing. Maybe it's two. 1017 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,640 I don't want it anyways. They, like you said, like early 1018 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,600 on, Matt, they they kind of feel the same because the enemies are 1019 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,400 the same and you know, but level design matters, I think. 1020 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:15,160 I think that's a big thing, but this is, this could be the best 1021 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,440 one that they've done. It is so good. 1022 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,880 Like even when I was getting frustrated, I was and going back 1023 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,400 and having to like start the level again and all those kinds 1024 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,120 of things. Like it was really, really 1025 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,040 great. And I thought it was just like 1026 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,800 an excellent, excellent time. And, and it's just, it's 1027 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,840 actually a lot longer than I thought it was going to be too. 1028 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,560 I thought it was, you know, 1520 levels, something like that and 1029 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,440 whatever, but it's 30 something. Yeah, I think 32 or 36, 1030 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,320 something like that. Yeah. 1031 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,440 And I think that's what the modern ones, I don't know that 1032 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,040 the so I played it to completion on PC, but I think I think they 1033 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,040 added stuff to the PC ones or the modern, you know, re 1034 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,240 releases of them. They're like lost levels that 1035 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,000 were like interspersed that they added that like were I think 1036 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,840 unfinished in the original or whatever that they finished and 1037 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,360 added to this game. Yeah, yeah. 1038 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,280 So it makes it a little bit longer and everything too, which 1039 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,120 is which is fun. But I also played, Speaking of, 1040 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,960 of, of unfinished or finished stages, I played a couple mods 1041 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,440 because you can do mods on on PC on this and not on the original 1042 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,200 1. And there are some levels that 1043 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,920 people made that are using original assets from this game, 1044 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,640 but also creating their own that are just so cool. 1045 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,480 Like a lot of these are really interesting, but a lot of, you 1046 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,840 know, just like every other sort of mod community, they go and 1047 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,880 they, you know, people are so creative and they use these 1048 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,200 assets in interesting ways. And it is just like Doom is like 1049 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,960 the mod machine. And this is just another one. 1050 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,080 You know, I didn't associate it with mods 'cause it was on the 1051 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,800 64. But if you're interested in, in, 1052 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,920 in playing through mods and stuff with a game like this, 1053 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,040 just find a version for cheap 'cause you can definitely find 1054 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,560 this on PC and just look up mods 'cause it is it. 1055 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,920 It can extend this game, you know, tenfold just with that. 1056 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,960 The Doom modding community is still one of the most successful 1057 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,480 and vibrant modding communities in existence. 1058 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,440 The the WAD scene is really interesting and I, I didn't know 1059 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,280 a ton about it until not too long ago. 1060 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,760 There's actually some really cool narratives that people are 1061 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,800 creating unrelated to Doom using Doom's engine, right? 1062 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,520 And using the level, the level creator and stuff. 1063 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,640 It's just, yeah, it's really impressive and really awesome. 1064 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,600 Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's just, I'll 1065 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,520 never be creative enough and never be able to make mods like 1066 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,440 that, but I'm happy to experience them. 1067 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,080 Yeah, same. I I I can't even Mario Maker my 1068 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,200 way through. Oh, me neither. 1069 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,920 Nope, Nope. Games kick my ass. 1070 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,800 So it's like if I made a level, I would kick my own ass. 1071 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,000 I know you have to like complete it to like release it or 1072 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,200 whatever. I'd just find a way to frustrate 1073 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,600 myself and it would just be like the worst experience ever. 1074 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,440 Anything we missed along the way for the game? 1075 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,120 I mean, it's, it's an FPS game. It's definitely really, really 1076 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,000 good. I think because there's no, you 1077 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,080 know, vertical look it you don't miss the fact that you're not 1078 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,840 playing with twin sticks in it like it were for modern game. 1079 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,800 So I think that's totally fine. The sort of auto aim that they 1080 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,160 do with it is, you know, accessible and sort of easy to 1081 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,680 understand and stuff. But yeah, it's just it's just 1082 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,160 vibes, man. It's good FPS vibes. 1083 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,120 That's yeah. I'm trying to, I'm trying to 1084 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,800 understand, OK, I was trying to look it up to just let people 1085 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,960 know if if I could understand it. 1086 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,160 So on the PlayStation version, there were different kinds of 1087 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:52,800 looking returning and the differences were roll, Yaw and 1088 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,720 standard, I think, or something like that. 1089 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,840 And I still don't know what the differences are. 1090 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,240 I'm looking it up and it sounds like other people have looked up 1091 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,120 like what does this do? So. 1092 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,000 It's very possible that it's just a thing they said and it 1093 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,280 didn't make a massive difference. 1094 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,800 I don't know. Well, it's got to do something. 1095 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,480 Why would you have it as an option if it? 1096 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,600 Yaw sounds really weird, like why would there be like a like a 1097 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,720 tilt almost isn't like a Yaw like a tilt? 1098 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,640 Isn't that what that is like when you when you edit like a 1099 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,400 photo and there's like a Yaw? It's it's something with 1100 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,560 turning, so it's. Gotta be, I think it's it's how 1101 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,400 you turn, maybe how fast you turn. 1102 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,520 I don't really remember. But yeah, I used the standard 1103 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,800 controls also. I mean, I, I, I mean, I think in 1104 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,920 the modern version, you, you, you use both sticks, but you 1105 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,240 don't aim up and down. You just turn with one stick and 1106 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,200 move with the other, which is really great on its own. 1107 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,680 Where's on the N64? I think you moved with the 1108 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,040 analog stick and then you turned with the with the C buttons, the 1109 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,760 C buttons, which I while in a game like Goldeneye, I feel like 1110 00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,520 that wasn't didn't work as well because this you didn't have the 1111 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,200 freeform aiming it much easier to play on an N64 controller. 1112 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,040 Probably better designed for it too. 1113 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,120 And also the analog. So in I don't believe in the N64 1114 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,760 version, there is a run button. I think because of how good the 1115 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,280 analog stick was, like Mario's tilt run. 1116 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,480 You just pressed it all the way to run. 1117 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,400 You pressed it slightly to walk, which I I love The N64 has the 1118 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,440 best analog stick in existence. It's a bummer that I mean the 1119 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,080 the new ones can do the same but like there was something about 1120 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,080 how it clicked and fit like it's just. 1121 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,760 The digital to analogue is is just it's different like it's. 1122 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,720 Yeah, it feels different. It's different, man. 1123 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,880 It's. Just it's different dudes. 1124 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,880 It's it's it's interesting too, because I've had, you know, a, a 1125 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,360 replica N64 controller and played some of the games and the 1126 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,480 accuracy, I mean, it's not the same. 1127 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,520 It's not the same. They're cheap controllers. 1128 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,600 Let's be honest, they're 20 bucks or whatever, right? 1129 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,520 So I just got like an easy one, but I was playing, I think it 1130 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,400 was actually maybe when when I was playing DK 64 at the time, 1131 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,480 and I switched between the two controllers at the time. 1132 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,120 And I was like, you know, there's really like small 1133 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,440 platforms that you're walking on as, as the characters. 1134 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,320 And I was like, this is impossibly hard. 1135 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,080 How am I not getting across this really simple ledge? 1136 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,880 This is ridiculous. And then I played with the 1137 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,400 actual controller and realized, Oh, it's the freaking joystick. 1138 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,080 Like that's that's what it is. But this had those C buttons and 1139 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,800 stuff was very similar. GE we played the world is not 1140 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,520 enough recently, and it was this. 1141 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,080 It was the same it it it worked. So when I played that when we 1142 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,280 played that, which was before I played this around the same time 1143 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,200 and I've played mostly on PCI was like, wait, this is 1144 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,440 familiar, but but not and it's it worked in both of these 1145 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,760 games. And this came out in 97 World's 1146 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,320 not enough came out 2000. I think it was so huge 1147 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,520 difference and it still controls well, like it just it still 1148 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,880 works. And because there's no extra 1149 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000 luck or you pretty much just have to strafe and kind of move 1150 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,200 your way around and stuff. I don't know. 1151 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,760 I thought it was. It's it's interesting to play a 1152 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:13,040 game like this because growing up I've lived in more of the 1153 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,160 timeline that we've had modern first person controls. 1154 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,000 Some of us can say that. Some of us. 1155 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,880 Can't. Yeah, I've lived more in that 1156 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,080 timeline than the dark timeline before dual, dual sticks. 1157 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,800 And I got to say though, it it doesn't bother me. 1158 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,480 Like going back, it plays fine. Like there he just had in the 1159 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,200 video where there was enemies above you, it basically auto 1160 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,360 shoots up and it it can be a little disorienting. 1161 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,760 But if you're paying attention and honestly, let's be honest, 1162 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,880 you're going to be guns blazing. So you're going to be out there 1163 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,600 just firing anyways half the time. 1164 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,000 So you're like, oh, there's an enemy up there. 1165 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,440 It kind of helps you sometimes. Yeah, well, I, I, I multiple 1166 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,200 times I I would realize I would be I'd get to you have to be 1167 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,320 basically a certain distance to that spot if it's up on the 1168 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,920 ledge or below you or something like that. 1169 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,320 And that's pretty much how it triggers. 1170 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,920 But it was good because it actually would eliminate 1171 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,120 enemies, eliminate enemies before you got to that spot. 1172 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,920 So it's the auto aim is like, all right, cool. 1173 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,360 Yeah, great. It works, you know, and. 1174 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,000 Yeah, I think in most modern settings they would they would 1175 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,200 call that an aimbot. If you're playing, yeah, If 1176 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,720 you're playing Counter Strike at the time that I was around the 1177 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,800 same time that this game came out, that's what that would, 1178 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,760 yeah. That's what they would say, 1179 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,400 yeah. Well, thankfully there are no 1180 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,480 players here. It's just demons and demons 1181 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,360 don't. Have demons don't have feelings, 1182 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,600 just turn them into goop screw. That screw, I tell Dave this, 1183 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,040 but I'm like, since we played Earth from gym 3D, I've just 1184 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,280 been setting every game I played to easy mode and I'm really 1185 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,520 enjoying myself, Yeah. Oh, you should be there's. 1186 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,920 There's another accessibility thing. 1187 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,640 There's no difficulty. Like what I love about the doom 1188 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,000 series is they pulled away from this. 1189 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,760 They used to pick on people for using easy, but like I played 1190 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,080 the, the, the the modern Wolfenstein game and they made 1191 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,680 easy mode, baby mode. And I was like, I'm never 1192 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,160 playing your games ever again before. 1193 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,800 I'm just never playing a Wolfenstein game because it's 1194 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,560 not baby mode. It's it's a different people 1195 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,680 have different skill levels. But yeah, playing on easy is the 1196 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,680 best thing you could ever do, especially if you're frustrated 1197 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,440 with a game. Or I mean, Earth from gym three 1198 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,080 DI just I don't Earthworm Jim's one of my favorite franchises, 1199 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,440 even though that franchise only has two good games. 1200 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,960 But like it's just that 33D is like just kills me. 1201 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,800 It's yeah, such. Promise. 1202 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,960 And it was such a bad game. Yeah, it kind of destroyed us 1203 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,880 too. Yeah, but I love this game. 1204 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,320 I think that I think this is my favorite Doom game. 1205 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,320 I do like Doom 2016. I think it's one of the best 1206 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,360 modern shooters, but I think of the classic Dooms, especially 1207 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,560 like all the way through Doom 3. This is definitely my favorite. 1208 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,960 I just think it's it it took what the the original PC 1209 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,840 releases one and two did and final doom did and like just 1210 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,080 kicked it up a level. And I think and the fact that 1211 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,560 this is an N64 game and I think it's one of the best doom games. 1212 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,800 Like I'm going to say to the end of time that Mario 64 is one of 1213 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,000 the best Mario games ever, but arguably Mario Odyssey is just 1214 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,320 that but better. Like especially revisiting the 1215 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,560 the bad Switch ports and so like this, but this? 1216 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,720 Hands down, I think is even better than Doom 2016 because 1217 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,840 it's different. It's just a different kind of 1218 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,560 game. And, and I love this game for 1219 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,240 what it is, yeah. It's it's. 1220 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,360 Really similar opinions. Yeah. 1221 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,000 Absolutely. I mean everything. 1222 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,680 You said yeah. Elias love to love to find 1223 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:31,920 common ground. Camaraderie. 1224 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,800 Camaraderie, everybody. I I appreciate, I I prefer 1225 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,720 visuals like this, Yeah. Yeah, that's great. 1226 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,640 Yeah. It's your whole brand. 1227 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,240 I like, I like modern games, but I feel like we've reached a 1228 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,760 point where a lot of modern games, if they're not heavily 1229 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,200 stylized and doing something creative, they look very much 1230 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,080 like I'm like, oh, that's an Unreal Engine game, you know? 1231 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,640 And it's not always a bad thing. Like some games I think suit it 1232 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,240 really well. I'm thinking of like Batman 1233 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,040 Arkham Knight. I'd love the way that game 1234 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,800 looks. It's very Moody. 1235 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,080 It's very like rain particles like looks really cool. 1236 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:10,240 But then I think about every Call of Duty and every, you 1237 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,800 know, I just they don't stand out to me at all. 1238 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,360 They all kind of mesh together to be the same and especially a 1239 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,440 lot of them control the same. And this was like a very fresh. 1240 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,480 I know that's weird saying because we're going back, we're 1241 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,360 going back in time. So it's actually the opposite of 1242 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,920 fresh. It's actually probably spoiled 1243 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:31,800 at this point, but I love seeing these almost looking these 1244 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:37,120 sprites that look like they're 3D clay model, like super cool. 1245 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,840 Like you see every access that they've drawn for these sprites, 1246 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,120 but it's, there's something special about that. 1247 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,960 And then combining it with the 3D polygonal maps that they have 1248 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,440 really makes it visually stand out. 1249 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,880 And it, it's stylized. It's like a thing people would 1250 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,760 go for nowadays for like as an indie developer to make a, oh, 1251 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,880 we want to make a game that looks like this, You know, it's 1252 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,800 one of those looks that you're like, I want to emulate that 1253 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,760 look and I, I love it. It's so cool. 1254 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,040 And blood. There's tons of boomer shooters 1255 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,240 on steam now that like a new blood half of new bloods catalog 1256 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,640 is these kinds of games. And there's a a game that that 1257 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,520 Apogee just put out two, the first two parts of called Wizard 1258 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,240 Room, where you're a mage in a world like this. 1259 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,280 I played the demo on on Steam Fest earlier this year or late 1260 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,200 last year so it looks. It looks like a Bright Mage 1261 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,000 version of Doom. It's crazy. 1262 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,480 Brilliant and like this is, it's games like this that led us to 1263 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,760 stuff like that and I think is an important piece of gaming 1264 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,320 history graphically, but gameplay wise as well. 1265 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,640 I love that I don't have to hang him up. 1266 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,080 I'm a terrible shot. Like I the fact that the game 1267 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,480 does not for me welcome that every time. 1268 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,920 It should be more games. One of the one of the new games, 1269 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,760 that is, I think it came out officially 2022 or 2093, is 1270 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,560 called Proteus. It is pretty much doom like and 1271 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,600 and they're not shying away from it. 1272 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:02,840 They know that's what they're making it. 1273 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,400 There's demons, there's crazy guns, there's levels very 1274 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,520 similar, you're finding keys and all it like it is so much that 1275 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,800 and it and it plays well and wants to just be doom. 1276 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,640 And so if if you played one of these or you're like, well, what 1277 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,400 does a new indie developer do with this idea? 1278 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,120 That's what they've done with stuff like this. 1279 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,080 It looks just like it. It plays great. 1280 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,280 That's another one that you can you can definitely I was trying 1281 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,800 to find that it was on game pass. 1282 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,240 I don't think it is anymore, but definitely worth picking up 1283 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,960 because it's not like super expensive or anything. 1284 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,440 And it's it's super good. So. 1285 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,560 And then I always like to look this up when I remember, of 1286 01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,560 course, when I remember how long it takes to beat this. 1287 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,360 So if it's something that you're not sure, oh, I don't know if I 1288 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,480 should dig into it. I said earlier that's longer 1289 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,200 than I thought it was. Doom 64, at least the 64 version 1290 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,480 of it. The original version of it on 1291 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,080 how long to beat averages at 7:00 to 9:00 hours, somewhere in 1292 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,600 between if you've done some of the secrets and done. 1293 01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,360 Yeah. So that's really good. 1294 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,680 I would say that, you know, the more the the re releases that 1295 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,120 we've been talking about, probably closer to the eight or 1296 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,120 nine hour 1 'cause there's more levels, but that's it. 1297 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,280 That's all you're going to get to it. 1298 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,320 And yeah, you'll replay some, but if you do it at a pretty 1299 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,680 steady pace and you restart a couple levels here and there 1300 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,800 within 10 hours, I think realistically you can get 1301 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,920 through everything and find a handful of secrets here and 1302 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,120 there as well. So yeah, I, I recommend this 1303 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,200 game. I think people should play it. 1304 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,960 I think it's great, Matt. What the hell, man? 1305 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,360 Like 3 for three for three for three for three. 1306 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,240 So it's unfair. It's just unfair. 1307 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,680 I gotta keep the streak going. I gotta. 1308 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,720 Eventually I'll run out of good N64 games, but. 1309 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,680 For now, gonna. Keep bringing the hits. 1310 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,040 How dare you? I guess never. 1311 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,720 Next time we'll just I mean, I guess I'm I'm foreshadowing, but 1312 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,000 next time we'll just have to do if someone else doesn't claim it 1313 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,760 before me, we'll have to do extreme G right. 1314 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,680 I mean, just keep that streak going and there's. 1315 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,360 Two of them too, so we can even if it's one, it's the other, 1316 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,240 right? So, all right, Matt, thanks so 1317 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,040 much for coming back. Thanks so much for bringing 1318 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:03,040 another fantastic game for us to play and talk about and and 1319 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,800 showing Jiggy just won at what these games were like. 1320 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,480 And two, showing just how old we are compared to him. 1321 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:10,040 I don't know. Oh yeah. 1322 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,960 Yeah, well, that's fine. I knew, I knew Jiggy was a baby 1323 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,880 and that's OK. The, I'm glad that I, I'm 1324 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,920 actually really glad that you enjoyed the game Jiggy, just 1325 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,760 cause like watching your content and stuff, like I know your 1326 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,320 preferences, platformers, your preferences, a certain kind of 1327 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,560 game. And that the fact that you 1328 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,040 enjoyed this too. Like I always let you know, I 1329 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,240 try and be open minded about games and I have preconceptions 1330 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,120 like a lot of folks did. And for a long time I said I 1331 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,880 didn't like first person shooters 'cause I assumed I 1332 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,280 didn't 'cause I didn't like Call of Duty. 1333 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,400 But it turned out I just didn't like Sami repetitive, boring 1334 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,480 military shooter games, which, which to me are boring. 1335 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,400 Plenty of people love those games and I'm not faulting them. 1336 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,040 I just think that I'm always looking for something 1337 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,240 interesting. And so it's always fun when I 1338 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,600 bring, it's like I brought Buck Bumble on for the meme. 1339 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,080 It's got the best time, but it's got the best title theme of any 1340 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,400 game and that's why I brought it on. 1341 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,320 But I did genuinely remember loving it. 1342 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,760 The fact that Dave ended up loving it. 1343 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,600 Also, like Yoshi's Story, there was no second thought. 1344 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:02,840 Like I knew that was going to be a hit. 1345 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,680 But like, yeah. And so I always love when folks, 1346 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,920 you know, I like recommending stuff. 1347 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,560 So the fact that you enjoyed it and like understood the faults, 1348 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,320 didn't love some things, but still understood the full thesis 1349 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,840 of the game and really dug it is always. 1350 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,800 Fun. Oh, yeah, And I think I haven't 1351 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,640 even played it, but I can tell you that my preferred way of 1352 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,560 playing this game would have been on the Switch in handheld 1353 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,760 as well. It feels like one of those games 1354 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,200 that this is very specific that I would be like laying in bed at 1355 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,800 night, like in the middle of the night. 1356 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,880 And I'd just be like, oh, I just got to be one more level. 1357 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,840 You know, I got this on my PlayStation. 1358 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:41,240 I played it on my 64 as well. I definitely got sucked in on my 1359 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,600 PlayStation and I had my surround sound and everything. 1360 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,480 And it's very it's just very Moody to play at night. 1361 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,280 And, you know, I just, I love that kind of stuff. 1362 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,920 It's just so addicting. Yeah, it's I mean, and it's just 1363 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,360 more more proof that like it's not just about the visuals that 1364 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,680 are going to give you creepy vibes and feelings. 1365 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,160 It's just the it's the overall mood. 1366 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,760 I mean, like we said, the sound effects and and sound design, 1367 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,680 everything is definitely a massive part of it. 1368 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,740 But like that's it brings it all together and it is a quote UN 1369 01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:17,440 quote old school game and it is very successful at all of that. 1370 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,120 So yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad we all enjoyed it. 1371 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,480 That's awesome. I really think people should 1372 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:26,280 check it out if they haven't. And Doom 64, everyone, Matt, 1373 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,920 before we before we let you go, where can everybody find your 1374 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,080 awesome stuff online? Sure. 1375 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,800 So the one aggregate for everything is djstormagain.com 1376 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,880 that has my Kofi, my merch store. 1377 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,240 We can buy this fantastic T-shirt to the audio listeners. 1378 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,360 I lifted my shirt that I'm wearing not lifted lifted. 1379 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,360 I didn't take it off. But you know, that's for the, 1380 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,440 that's for the, that's for the only fans content. 1381 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,600 Yeah, for that. But you got to join the the 1382 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,200 Remember 64 Patreon tomorrow and then you'll get that. 1383 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,040 No, Yeah, you can find everything@djstormagain.com. 1384 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,400 You can find all my podcast on every podcast platform. 1385 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,320 If you want to follow me, I'm still on Twitter. 1386 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:12,120 I refuse to call it X. I'm there at I'm there at DJ 1387 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,640 under score Storm again. I'm on Blue Sky at DJ Storm 1388 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,359 again because they don't like underscores for some reason. 1389 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,120 I'm also on Instagram at DJ under score Storm again. 1390 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,279 Those are the best places to interact with me. 1391 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,840 If you check out the podcast, please let me know. 1392 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,600 Also, if you could rate and review this podcast you're 1393 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,920 listening to, I always like to plug that for other people's 1394 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,479 show because really it does. Like when folks start searching 1395 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,080 for Doom 64. If you rate and review the show, 1396 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,399 then it'll pop up to the top of the search. 1397 01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:39,560 So help these folks out if you happen to listen my shows want 1398 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,080 to rate and review them too. I won't say no. 1399 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,000 And if you're looking for the one stop shop for fun and games, 1400 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:48,279 I highly recommend patreon.com slash 20 games Pod because we 1401 01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:50,840 have a free tier. There are paid tiers as well, 1402 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,800 which we're very grateful for, but we have a free tier that 1403 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,520 gets you every episode of the regular show in side quests, any 1404 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,359 articles I write, I'm updating constantly. 1405 01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,120 A list of all the games that I've beaten this year that goes 1406 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,040 out to patrons as soon as I finish a game. 1407 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,279 And it's going to be the default place we end up as the 1408 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,160 inevitable heat death of all social media eventually happens. 1409 01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,560 So that's again, it's patreon.com/funny Games pod. 1410 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,359 Definitely go check that out. And if you want to throw us a 1411 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:15,640 couple bucks too, we won't say no. 1412 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,920 You know what, honestly, the whole Patreon thing and doing 1413 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,520 something a little bit different on it and as social media 1414 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,880 collapses around us, I have thought the exact same thing. 1415 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,479 I'm trying to do the same thing. Like it's just it's like a like 1416 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,240 a one stop shop in general, like regardless of paid unpaid, like 1417 01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,600 whatever it is is nice to have. And hopefully that's, you know, 1418 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,080 Patreon has this whole like everyone just automatically 1419 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,000 assumes, Oh, you have to pay for everything, but the free tier is 1420 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,680 there whenever you do it, the the people get everyone gets 1421 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,200 updated and everything. And that's where I'm sort of 1422 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,560 trying to trying to tailor things as well as as time goes 1423 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,000 on. But as people may know at this 1424 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,960 point, I have as of when this is releasing, I'm not exactly sure 1425 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,720 I'm either just a new dad or about to be. 1426 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,760 So I'm going to be a little bit quieter out there at the moment 1427 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,840 if you're hearing this when this releases in the summer of 2024. 1428 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,080 But but that's probably going to be where I'm going to be able to 1429 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,120 do things because I can't keep up with 19 different social 1430 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,080 media apps while I'm wiping poop off my shirt. 1431 01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,640 So I'm just gonna do everything I can. 1432 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,720 And so, yeah, baby poop. Well, I don't know. 1433 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:19,680 Not his own. Poop. 1434 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:20,560 We'll see. We'll see. 1435 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,840 I don't know how I'm gonna be feeling. 1436 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,680 Maybe I won't make it. I don't know. 1437 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,680 I have no idea. Is the first kid. 1438 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,800 Who knows what's gonna happen? I will not, I will not rule it 1439 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:35,440 out, but patreon.com/remember 64 show and remember 64 show on 1440 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,840 social media as well. And just like what Matt said, 1441 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,720 there is free content and if you throw a couple bucks our way, 1442 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,040 you'll get episodes early and extra content as well that I'm 1443 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,600 starting to work on. But yeah, episodes all would 1444 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,160 come out early, especially these ones around this time, more 1445 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,600 recent ones, because I'm editing everything ahead of time and 1446 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,160 putting it on Patreon super early. 1447 01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,960 And and I'm going to sort of let it sit there early as I as I 1448 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,640 become a new parent. So in the meantime, Jiggy, what 1449 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,400 about you, man? What's what's happening? 1450 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,360 Oh, man, we're growing. We're growing. 1451 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,520 We're growing. Yeah, my Discord is reaching 200 1452 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,080 members, pretty active. It's kind of awesome. 1453 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,840 Yeah, YouTube is reaching 6000 subscribers. 1454 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,320 Oh yeah, Every time I check I get like another like 1020 1455 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,520 subscribers. Yeah, you do. 1456 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,360 Things are just growing. I do not have a Patreon so you 1457 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,240 can just go give your money to these guys. 1458 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,520 I actually get paid by YouTube so just watch my videos that 1459 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,760 that works for me. Do it up worth it though, like 1460 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,080 this. There's so much like you know, 1461 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,640 Matt mentioned it earlier too, like your content is a lot like 1462 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,520 there's a lot there and it's a lot of unique stuff too that you 1463 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,560 don't even see, you know, necessarily like repeat on your 1464 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,560 own channel, but you don't see it on other ones as well. 1465 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,920 So like, it's not like you're just going in and watching some 1466 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,680 random thing like, yeah, there's a video version of this show, 1467 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,080 but there's lots of video versions of podcasts out there. 1468 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,840 I'm not doing anything like you are, Jiggy, where it's unique 1469 01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,160 and special and sort of, you know, standing out from from 1470 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,360 the. Rest So I don't really know how 1471 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:14,320 to describe my own content. Sometimes it's kind of theories 1472 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:20,720 and yeah, ideas and retrospectives and defending 1473 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,280 games that I love by just talking about how much I love 1474 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,600 them. It's a lot of that. 1475 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,320 It's a lot of that. It's very positive though. 1476 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,320 I think you'll you'll really enjoy it so. 1477 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,600 Any person who's willing to go on the Internet publicly say 1478 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,040 they are defending Star Fox Adventures really deserves your 1479 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,600 time because that game is actually not as bad as you 1480 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,120 remember. It's not great, but it's not as 1481 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,800 bad as people make it out to be. It's really not. 1482 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,000 No, it's got what I love about it. 1483 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,000 It's got that rare charm. Any game that has that rare 1484 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,600 charm, I'm just like, I love this. 1485 01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,320 I'm so excited to play that game because of hearing that multiple 1486 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,960 times, definitely hearing it from Jiggy and I just, I really, 1487 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,440 yeah, when, when the craziness is, is behind me, it's going to 1488 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:02,960 be one of those games that that I definitely pick up. 1489 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,600 And also looking forward for what me and Jiggy are going to 1490 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,680 be covering too. We, we did cover one mod earlier 1491 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,960 this year, but we're going to be covering more mods or some 1492 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,920 exciting ones that we saw that are coming out that are mods of 1493 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:16,640 Zelda games, Banjo Kazooie, stuff like that. 1494 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,880 So we have some stuff lined up that's going to be Speaking of 1495 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,760 mods of Doom, these are going to be mods of classic and 64 games 1496 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,920 and we're very excited to jump into those as well. 1497 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,920 So look forward to that later in 2024. 1498 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,240 But everybody, thank you so much for joining me. 1499 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,880 Thank you for joining us, Matt and Jiggy, nice to chat to you. 1500 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,400 We will see everybody soon. And remember 64. 1501 01:13:36,320 --> 01:14:18,470 Bye. None.