Welcome to the show everyone. My name is David Pitrangelo and
this is Remember 64. If this is the first or multiple
times you have joined us here, welcome to the show and I am
Doom Guy. Doom Guy is me.
No, I can't jump, but get too close and I may squash you into
tiny bits of guts, bones and some goopy stuff.
That sounds really gross. Jiggy Look Back is here with me.
Hello. Hello, I'm here.
I don't know. I don't know why I did that.
I mean, I kind of said it. I kind of, I kind of teed it up
in that way. It was weird, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
Maybe you just, you subtly hinted to me to do that.
I, I don't know, but yeah, I'm here and I got lost quite a bit
and hit a couple buttons over and over and over, so that's
cool. But yeah, but you found your way
here, so that's all good. On my way here I got here.
We got here. At least you got here.
Also here with us. Yeah.
Also here with us. Matt, AKA Stormageddon returns
to remember 64. Finally, Finally, finally,
finally, finally. Matt, how are you?
Welcome to the show. I'm good, I'm happy to be back,
I love doing the show, I'm a big fan, I'm a avid listener and
wondering by the end of this episode if my streak continues
because I don't know if Jiggy knows this, but I am 2 for two
with my games. Dave had never played either
game and Dave loved both games. And so that's curious if I hold
that record 'cause I'm, I'm trying to only pick the really
good N64 games, of which there are like at least 10.
No, I'm kidding, there are plenty of great games.
The next one, by the way, I've already decided that I'm going
to start evangelizing Extreme G because it just came to switch
and like everyone's like, oh, that game.
What's Extreme G? It's like only one of the best
racing games ever made and it's on the N64.
And it was like a little heard of it.
Yeah. Incredible.
I I loved it growing up. I haven't played it since it
came back though, so hopefully it still holds up, yeah.
I remember when it growing up. It's always the hope.
Yeah. Well, Matt, we, we are going
from a buck bumble. Well, you mentioned the two
games that that you brought to the show, which I absolutely
loved. We're going to what is was
affectionately known in the middle of our recording,
unknowingly the cutest game on the North 64.
We, I think we said the word cute 19 times between the two of
us. So we're doing that at least.
And it's fitting. Absolutely.
And now we are talking about Doom 64, which may be just as
cute, if not more than Yoshi's Story.
It's so cute, right? So it's just adorable.
Matt, before we jump into it, let's, why don't you let
everybody know about your stuff, about your shirt.
You have a million things going on.
All great stuff, shirt included, as we can see in the video.
Why don't you let everybody know, Hey, let everybody know
about what you got going on. Sure, so I am one of the hosts
of Funny Games Podcast. You can get this fine shirt at
tjstormageddon.com, along with a lot of other cool stuff.
But yeah, Funny Games is a video games podcast.
The main show is topic based. We do retrospectives on video
game consoles, retrospectives on video game series or genres.
We interview guests. We have developers, composers.
The one and only legendary N64 composer Grant Kirkopp has been
on our show, which was a blast. And mostly try and talk about
the positive side of games, but engage in like what's going on
in the industry as well as the games we love.
And then within that feed, we also have a sub series called
Side Quests where a different host comes on and talks about a
game they love and why they love it.
Dave has done two of those. Dave did them on Mario Paint and
the other one will come to me. Give me a SEC.
It's. A newer game.
Oh, it's. Called oh Cobalt Core Cobalt.
Core, yeah, which I don't know if many people know about, but I
think it's a fantastic card and rogue like game so.
It what it does look very cool and I loved your episode on it.
And so that is a sub series where each host talks about a
game 11 why they love it free of judgment.
You can talk about any game, new, old, good, bad, doesn't
matter. It's all objective and that's
been like my way of injecting positivity in the space because
I don't know if you know this, but you know it can be pretty
negative when it comes to video games.
No. No, no.
And so, so that series been fun. And then the other series that's
still ongoing at the moment is Reignite, which is my, it
started as a Mass Effect retrospective podcast and now
it's evolved into a BioWare retrospective podcast.
We've moved from the trilogy of Mass Effect and Andromeda onto
Dragon Age. As of when we're recording.
We just wrapped up Dragon Age One.
We're about to jump into Dragon Age 2, and that's a lot of fun.
We make choices in the game. We try to play the characters as
ourselves and then discuss why we make those choices, why we
fall for the characters we love, all of that stuff.
It's really a blast. And then I am also currently the
editor of the Game Informer show, which is kind of a dream
come true. I edit their the audio version
of their podcast. I've been reading their magazine
since the 90s and so it's fun to be the audio editor for that
show. The host over there are delight.
And then I have ATV movie podcast called Screensnark that
is currently on hiatus, but we have a huge backlog.
It's me and my Co host talking about the most recent thing we
watched and we'll bring a guest on interview them about what
they do. Still a great time and hopefully
we'll be back this summer. I think that's everything.
I'm also a DJ and sometimes I live stream like I just I don't
know how to stop. I don't relax much.
It's it's a. Problem really your passions are
a problem. I don't think so I don't think
so it's it's all really good stuff it's all really good stuff
so that's awesome make sure to check it out everybody.
It is really a great listen all of the all of the work that you
do so so we have come to the point where we're gonna talk
about the game let's talk about Matt.
I'm gonna go back to you really quickly here before we jump into
more about the game itself, but Doom 64, why was this the the
third game that you brought to the show?
Why? Why this one?
Why lucky number three? You know, third time's a charm
sort of sort of approach here. So I mean, it's a lot of things.
It's what have you covered? Oh God, that's taken.
I love the the wave race 64 episode, but that was going to
be my next choice just because that's an underrated gem and I'm
not exaggerating. It's one of the best racing
games and people are like, oh, it's so jet skis, who cares?
And like, I'm so glad that y'all loved it because it really is.
And so once that got taken by the incredible Aaron of
Superpod, I was like, all right, what am I going to do?
And then they had recently announced this Doom 64 port to
the Switch. It had been locked on the N64
for a while. But then when Doom Eternal was
coming out, they were re releasing and kind of a little
bit remastering, kind of just tweaking Doom 64 and putting it
on the on every platform essentially.
So you could play it now, not just on the Nintendo system.
And I was really excited about it because I hadn't played it
since back in the day. I love the Doom franchise.
I've played most of the games. I've still yet to play Eternal,
ironically enough. But I was like, Oh well, let me
see if you guys have covered this.
I had kind of assumed you had and you hadn't.
And so I was really excited because like I for I was exposed
to first person shooters on the N64.
I think a lot of us who didn't have PCs were right.
Goldeneye was the gateway. I actually guessed it on a
another N64 podcast called Flashback 64 talking about
Goldeneye. They're doing it in
chronological order, which is ludicrous.
I don't envy them because they're between all the good
there is some not good chronologically.
But but I was like, yeah, I, I really wanted to revisit this
because I loved Doom. I loved Doom 2016 and like I was
excited to replay 64 because I don't think I've played it since
I had man 64 and I don't even know that I owned this one.
This one might have been I rented it for several weeks and
beat it and then returned it, but I remembered it fondly and I
love the PlayStation Doom games. That's how I originally played
Doom was on my friend's PlayStation and played final
Doom actually also there. And so I was like, Oh well,
let's let's continue the street because I remember really loving
this game and so I was like, let's bring it on.
Remember 64? Nice, nice.
Jigga, do you have experience with this game or Doom in
general? Do you have a history with with
Doom? Nope.
Really, you know what, you know what it is is I think it's the
age difference. I mean like, that's probably
what it is. I don't know how how old Matt
is, but I this is a game that I definitely was not allowed to
play when I was a kid, right? So, right, fair enough.
So is this. I will, I will, I will go even
further than this, like conquer. Maybe if I pushed hard enough, I
could have gotten them to like, like that was that was teetering
the line 'cause it was like it was rated M.
But the box art so cute. You know, Doom, my mom will be
like, we're going to church for just looking at that box art,
you know? And so is this your first Doom
game ever play you've ever played?
No, I did play the well, not eternal, the one before Eternal.
Doom 2016, yeah. Yeah, the the, yeah, I did play
that one, not all the way through, but I did play it.
Nice, so as far as the old school dooms, the sort of OG
dooms go, this is it. Damn, that's.
Never played it, I've always seen it.
I've just been like, oh, why would I play this when I have
what I have now? I mean that that's, that's fair
to in a, in a number of franchises, I would say, you
know, like I, I kind of, I kind of understand that.
I I I see. That I would I would play it if
I had it easily accessible. I'm just not going out of my way
to to go play it. Right, which is one of the
things that Matt was mentioning is the fact that there was this
particular version of Doom was not accessible really at all for
what 15 years or something, you know, at least, if not more like
almost 20. The original doom has been
available on everything, including tractors.
So like, you know, you could do what everything right.
So this this has not been played on a John Deere.
So I'm not sure if that makes it elite level yet or not, but but
it's close. It's close.
So for me, I, I played, I guess I played Doom earlier than both
of you because I ended up, I'm pretty sure at the time there
was no, no one I knew, including myself really had like a Windows
PC. You know, it was, it was DOS and
all that, which is what this was originally the first Doom was
really made for. Pretty sure that's how I first
played Doom. That's my experience is playing
on old school PCs at a friend's house 'cause they had a computer
that could play games and not just word processing like ours
had. And it was, you know, the, the
original Doom that you can get through in a few hours and you
kind of mess around with it and eventually you figured out
realize from people that hey, there's cheats on this.
Oh hey, the Internet exists now you can look them up and all
that kind of stuff. And and then I didn't get to the
new Doom games 20 the 20/18/2016 and Eternal until two years ago.
I think I played them both great games.
They're they're awesome. So if you don't play anything
modern that is within Doom franchise, those are highly
recommended. They are very good.
So can I? Just give a shout out to Jack
Black's YouTube channel. Oh, yes, yeah.
Him, his, his children basically play Doom and he's like, Oh
yeah, let's play, let's play this.
And they go in and he's like watching it.
And his kids, kids like 13 maybe.
And then his youngest one comes in who's probably like 9 or 10,
and he's like, your mother is going to kill me for letting.
Me play. This Well then they continue to
play it. That guy's just a gem, you know,
like he's just a gem. So I, I should watch that.
That's great. His channel's pretty funny.
I've seen definitely a few things that he's done.
So all right, so I wanted to actually mention before we get
into like our overall thoughts and stuff.
Matt, you mentioned Flashback 64, a fellow N64 podcast out
there. Really quickly I kind of came
up, I want to see what other people thought of this game
because for me, I don't think I played this one.
If I did, I don't remember it being any distinct difference
from the originals or any of that kind of stuff.
So I was like, I don't know what this is going to be like because
it kind of looks the same to me. I I don't know if I even knew
that it existed at that time. And not only am I3 for three,
well could be 3 for three of bringing games that you loved,
which is a possibility, but I'm also definitely 3 for three
bringing you games you've never played.
Exactly. I'll take it.
The hot streak, the hot streak continues 100% and and yeah, so
I just like I I didn't really, I didn't really know anyways, so I
wanted to ask I wanted to see what other people thought of the
game like I had people played this, what do they think of it?
So I put a really quick social media post out there earlier
earlier today of this recording really just a couple hours.
I'm super organized like just obviously know what I'm doing
here. Yeah, obviously flashback 64 had
a little had a quick response on blue sky that said it's a
classic stands alongside the classic doom games for them.
And then also Pizza Dinosaur also on Blue Sky said it's
always been my favorite and I'm glad that the 2020 re release
gained get a new reputation. And I think that's something
that you were touching on before, Matt.
So I think like just by those two responses alone on just one
social media post and reply that I was like, OK, people have a
good sense of like what this game is and everything.
And I will say this game is awesome.
It is great. Yeah, 3 for three.
Continues. 3 for three and three for three.
It is just flawless, Matt, you're flawless.
And yeah, this, this is, yeah, I get the hair.
Yeah, exactly. This game, this game's awesome.
This game is seriously great at times.
There's there's little things about, we'll get into it, but
there's little things about just how Doom works in general.
That I was like, this is weird. I don't.
What's this decision anyways? Nothing major, nothing that
deterred me from wanting to keep playing or anything like that.
But yeah, this is a really good game.
I played it both on the 64 and mostly on PC because I realized
I had it on steam. I didn't even know that I did
honestly. So I I played it like that and
it and it controls differently, obviously, but for the most part
it's it's the same game. It's really the same game.
It just looks nicer, but it's I had a great time with this.
I can add to that mix. I picked it up on PS5 because it
was a dollar and I was like, I'm just gonna just gonna do it.
Yeah. See the difference?
Yeah, it's a no brainer. I did.
Play it on 64 too though. How did you how did you find
playing it on on the difference between the two is it?
Well, so even though you're you're locked to just a
horizontal plane for looking around, you know, it's not like
a typical FPS, it's you know, you're locked this way.
Yeah, there's no, there's no up and down look like with pretty
much all the Doom games. I still preferred that on
PlayStation. OK, dual sticks.
I mean it just it makes more sense.
It wasn't bad by any means on 64.
It just, it just feels just from being used to it, you know,
first person shooter, you know, and then going back like, you
know, it's the same with Goldeneye, yes, it's the same
thing. It's like.
Right, because at the time when we did that, I also played the
the Switch, the Switch, Switch One.
Yeah, I guess I think it was. No, no, I played the Xbox One,
sorry Xbox One, which was very similar to this, except the
biggest difference with the Goldeneye thing is that you
could look up and down and with this on the at least on PC and
like you're saying on PlayStation it you still can't
do that you're still locked to just the X-plane of of looking
at everything. So I, I found it to be fine on
64. The controls were still fine.
I think they were still intuitive enough.
So I don't know, I I didn't see a massive difference, but I
played mostly on PC because I was like, oh, the the IT just
looks nicer. That's like, it's just, it's
just clearer. So I was like, OK, it's kind of
the same. It's the same game.
The the difference for me that really set it apart was on
PlayStation it was running at like 60 frames plus I don't
know. And that smooth buttery frame
rate is noticeable. Yes, when you go back.
That's true. That's true.
Just always prefer a a higher buttery frame rate.
Yeah, yeah, I think I ran into some just because it's the
console and the whatever it's a little bit darker too on the 64,
you know, it wasn't things like that that that you can remaster
and definitely, you know, have a better technology to sort of
spite the spruce those things up made a difference for sure.
So Matt, did you play this on 64?
Did you play it on Switch? Did you play it on PC?
Was there what was? I was originally, so I was
generally going to try and play it on original hardware or close
to a very legal way to play it on original hardware.
But because the Switch version was available and a good price
and I'd been wanting to pick it up anyway, I just bought it
there. And from what I read, like Night
Dive Studios does a great job with the remasters and stuff,
but they kept it pretty like it runs smoother obviously, and
it's a little sharper visually, but they really didn't change
that much. And so, you know, it was it, it
ran really great. And I mean, like we were
talking, I think off air a little bit about OLED switches,
which Jiggy and I are very much in love with.
And it popped on the on the OLED switch so well, like the they,
they definitely like color balanced it a bit.
You know, the four games, a lot of them could be a little on the
darker side, like you were saying.
And so I just really shined on the on the OLED.
The blood Reds were like like they really popped.
It was really, it really did look really great.
Nice. And I played it in handheld mode
the whole time, because that's the preference.
Sure, sure. Yeah.
I think it's a good looking game even on the original hardware.
Like I do think they did a decent job with it.
So one of the for it being only released in 97 pretty early game
in the life cycle. It looks pretty solid even on
original hardware and and yeah, all the what night dive did to
bring it to all the new consoles and the PC and stuff.
I think it it definitely they did a good job, which they've
done with a bunch of their games.
So all right, so we all have like different experiences
playing it. I want to quickly get into some
of the details of the development of the game because
I was wondering, you know, because like I mentioned before,
Doom is on everything. It's modded like crazy.
It's like the game for that because it's been around for so
long, it's easy to do all those types of things.
The game, this was the next, essentially the next game that
was going to be planned for like an official Doom sequel.
This was ready to be that. So they started working on this
in 1994. So this was an early, early plan
and it was originally titled Doom the Absolution and was
supposed to launch with the 64, but it didn't happen because
it's software was not satisfied with some of the level designs.
So that's what delayed them, which is kind of interesting.
So some of these level designs, I would say are a little too
obtuse. So maybe, you know, I think
that's that's kind of older level design and and things like
that. Anyways, I don't think it's just
this game that runs into that issue.
But, but that's something I noticed as well.
Most of them are pretty good, but I could see that maybe in
early development they were like, this is too much.
We got to we got to fix this. So it just came out about a year
later, which which isn't so bad. And for the first time in the
franchise, they used 3D polygonal models, which is
basically, you know, they're scanning something that is 3D
instead of just a flat plain like they would with the
original 1. And I think that helps with
motion, helps with the way that the characters look.
And I guess that's a good jumping off point.
Matt, would you think about the way things looked other than
just like, you know, playing it on newer hardware and stuff like
that? Did you feel like, yeah, these
these are good designs. They look good.
They look distinct. The the silhouettes of them are
are, you know, important for FPS.
Is any of that stuff sort of sit with you all pretty much this
time or? Yeah, I mean, so I know the
original Doom pretty intimately. I played it a lot.
And so like I remember what those character models look
like. And the first time I encountered
like a caca demon or like even the like old demon, I was like,
oh, these are these are brand new character models.
They built new character models because from Doom through doom
two and final doom, they were all the same character models,
like it was all the same stuff. And so they they really rebuilt
this game for the ground up. I love how the weapons all look
a little different. The chainsaw is a double bladed
chainsaw, which is so and so like.
I really love the design of this game and I'm a sucker for like
old school polygonal stage layouts.
Like they don't age to me because I'm, well, first of all,
we've got games like Minecraft still doing that intentionally.
So like it's an aesthetic that's still around quite a bit.
But I don't know, there's something about it that just
feels video games to me, right? And like this is a video game
ass video game. Oh yeah.
And I really loved how it looked.
Yeah, I think it holds up really well.
I think it's that continued thing that like good well made
polygons, but good Sprite work will always hold up longer than
like completely polygonal graphics and this is an example
of that. I think it looks as impressive.
Now again, I'm playing the slightly tweaked version on the
switch, but I think even still, like I did watch some videos of
the original game and like I think it really like even the
original, other than being a little darker, absolutely holds
up visuals wise and that's a lot of N64 games.
I would argue that like, you know, it's easy to dunk on Mario
64 'cause he looks like he's made out of blocks, but the
reality is it's very charming. He's very cartoony in that game.
And I think that these polygons as opposed to like the realistic
ones and like the old Resident Evils and stuff hold up much
better. But but I think Doom's got that
vibe also like with the darkness and the lighting and like the
the how everything is just kind of arranged.
It really did did and does look very good.
Yeah, I think I had. There was where was it?
There was one I wrote down. So there are a lot of new models
for this one, new enemies, but one specific one only shows up I
think until much later. Where is it?
Which one did I have here? Oh, the the purple, these guys
that I'm fighting right now is the purple.
What's the name of them now? Oh my God.
They're phantoms. I don't remember, it's been a.
Minute Oh, the imp, the Imps, the the guys that they they
basically just look like they're on two legs and they they throw
fireballs and they have like claws and whatever right though
those guys that you've seen since the first one brown the
brown ones and I think there's a red one or something.
Anyways, those are exclusive to this game.
They kind of act the same as the other ones.
I think they have more health or maybe the fireball does more
damage. I'm not really sure exactly, but
that's one of the things that they had, you know, the
varieties all here that the, you know, for the most part, the
enemies are all here. I don't know, Jiggy, does
anything stand out as like your favorite or the one you hated
the the most? Because I definitely have some
choices. The ones I hated the most
anytime they had an enemy that could shoot me from a distance
inside of like a gate. Above me.
And I'm not like paying attention and then I get shot.
I hated those. There's also an invisible one
that will like yeah on you, and if you're not paying attention,
you're like, what? Those are the big, those are the
big boys, right? With the Yeah, the.
Big boys. And basically it's a walk they.
Sink a lot of hits. Yeah, yeah, well, those those
are the guys you need for the chainsaw with That's that's what
you need. Oh yeah.
Rip into them with the chainsaw. Yeah, I guess I didn't even I
said I I said how much I like this game.
Jiggy, how'd you like this game? Considering this is like your
first old school Doom game, What'd you think?
No, I liked it. I thought it was a lot of fun.
I get the appeal. I there's, there's one aspect of
it that I'm not super fond of and you guys tell me if this is
a normal Doom thing or if it's this specific Doom.
There was a lot of grabbing key cards and finding the doors that
it opens and like going back and forth and back and forth.
I didn't like that so much. Yeah, that's doom.
You, you, you look for the door. Pretty.
Inherent to doom, yeah. Yeah, you look for the door that
has that color and you're like, oh, I need the key for that.
That's that's pretty much every level.
Yeah, it wasn't bad. It was just like, it happened a
lot, Yeah. It's most levels.
It's the. Basic puzzle.
Yeah. The basic puzzle in Doom is, oh,
there are these doors, how do I get in them?
Oh, there's a key card. How do I get that key card?
Yeah. And like, it's that, you know,
and they they had to, they were creative a little bit in here.
But I do agree by like the last stage, you were kind of like
another key card. I thought I was done all right,
I got to go find it. Like it can it can drag a little
bit. I I can totally get that.
What I did like about it though, was the fact that sometimes the
key cards weren't, they weren't always visible.
And you do something like you go hit a switch and it would open
the door and you go into the like this.
I'm thinking of this one specific instance where I open
this door. I went through the door and
there was like a thing of ammo. I'm like, isn't this where I was
supposed to progress? And then I turned around only to
see a wall open up. And then by the time I got to
it, it closed and I was like, wait, wait, wait, I have to be
fast. And so then it cost me to do it
a few times before I got, you know, got the timing right.
But I was like, that was that was a really cool way to show a
secret area. But like, I don't know.
I like that. Stuff it's, it's subtle, right?
Something like that feels subtle but also obvious at the same
time. And it's kind of like a weird
way of trying to do that. But it's, it is like a puzzle,
Matt, like you said, like that, it doesn't seem like it is
'cause you're like, oh, I just need to find a thing to open a
thing. OK, You know, that's every game
ever that has a door. But still they found a way to,
to, to do that. And I think for the most part
the that that puzzle of that, like you said, is, is pretty
well done. I mean, sometimes it's a little
obtuse, but for the most part and I just.
It it also has a really good distinction between areas yes
which with these kind of graphics and on the 64 in
particular that's hard to do I think without like big
landmarks, cuz I'm thinking I'm thinking like Banjo Kazooie just
relating to what I know like yeah big thing in the middle
spiral mountain this is spiral mountain that's my landmark
everything's around that you know the.
Pirate ship Like yeah. Yeah, there's no landmark in
Doom, but you enter a room, you're like, Oh yeah, this room,
you know, And it, it does a really good job of separating
those rooms, making them look really distinct.
It does it. It's Maisy, but it doesn't feel
as Maisy as it probably could have.
Oh, did you? You, did you.
Sorry. Go ahead, Matt.
Go ahead. I was just to say also, I think
part of it is this like Doom is one of the OG boomer shooters
that like speed was important and you were actually meant to
move fast. And the fact that you move so
fast allows you to cover ground quickly.
And so even if you unlock something on the other side of
the map, like getting there won't take you 20 minutes, it'll
take you a few minutes. And I think that helps the flow
state of the of the spaces, make them feel like it's not that
bad, bad to retread because you you can get around so quickly.
Yeah, and most of the stages aren't massive either.
There's definitely a few that are are bigger like the one I'm
playing right now. I can't remember which level
this is, it's probably 1520, something like that, like
halfway through the game or something.
This one I really like, I really liked.
I'm glad I captured this one cuz it felt like there was a lot of
twists and turns and different ways to go.
There's water, there's upstairs, there's sort of a mid level,
there's these ramps that bring you up and you know, I, there's
like this one little spot where you walk down 1 ledge And
because you can't jump, like I alluded to in the intro, because
you can't jump, you can't walk over certain size of ledges.
So it's like, well, that seems like such a simple thing, but
now I have to find a way to get back up on that ledge when I
have the right key to get to the door that is on the other side
of that ledge. So where else do I go?
And now I'm, you know, in a hallway that I saw from a
distance before that I shot enemies from, you know, to from
a distance like all these little things.
And, you know, for the most, that's pretty much every level,
just a matter of different stages.
These are the enemies I hated the most.
The little skull heads absolutely hate them.
I will build on that because I didn't hate the skulls, but what
I did hate were the pain elementals that spit out the
skulls and then when you blow them up, they blow up into a
bunch more into skulls and they're just surrounded.
And I was just like, I hate these guys.
And they only really come in towards the end of the game.
But like, I think it's on the final boss of the game, like
when every enemy spawns before you fight the boss, like there's
a bunch of them and it's just such a pain in the ass.
I know, and I have this habit of, I mean it's a great gun, but
using the shotguns as much as possible, they're amazing.
Both of them especially. Is it super shotgun?
Is that what it's? Called the Super Shotgun.
So the Super Shotgun is my favorite video game weapon of
all time. So the next to the shovel blade
from Shovel Knight. But like this, the Super Shotgun
is just one of the most satisfying weapons to use in a
video game. And even in the modern Dooms, it
still feels that satisfying. It's why I love the shotgun on
Halo 'cause it has the same kind of kick.
Yeah, I love that gun. I used it as much as I could.
What I do like about this game is that they give you just
enough ammo that you do need to cycle between guns, but you can
stick to a handful of them. But they do still kind of force
you to switch between stuff, which I appreciate because all
the guns, like, there's no bad guns in this game.
I just like certain ones better than others.
Yeah, for sure. And then the reason why I
brought up the shotgun and why I like it so much, and the
difference is that with those little skull dudes, it, it
doesn't really help you that much because you have to reload
after every shot. So it's like it, it's not that
you can't kill them, it's just if there's a bunch like a swarm,
like you said, you're kind of you need to have something
faster or whatever, right? the Super shotgun's amazing and
it basically uses two or three bullets of the regular shotgun.
So that's fun. Definitely takes out some of the
bigger guys a lot quicker. There's still some distance to
the shotguns, which is nice and refreshing, which is good.
And I think I killed myself about 15 times with the rocket
launcher being too close to enemies.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Every time. Yeah.
If you're in a small room, you're like, oh.
I gotta switch weapons I'm out of.
Ammo shock. Oh, I got the rocket launcher.
Oh no, and oh shit. Yeah, Jiggy, what stood out to
you? Any any particular weapons?
I'll. Tell you what didn't stand out
to me and the the pistol like you have like right dude, if I
have to sit there, I'm like laying down like fifty shots on
one guy. I'm just so freaking die
freaking die. It was awful and there were
moments where I was forced to use that gun.
OK, I did not want to use that gun.
I do love the rocket launcher. I had a lot of fun with that.
I only killed myself once that I vividly.
Remembered all. I had to say but the chainsaw is
definitely my favorite weapon hands down.
Nice. It it was just the second I got
it I would just have No Fear and I would charge through any
level. All enemies meant nothing to me.
I I wish you had, I wish you got it more though.
I wish you got it more 'cause it, it is fun to use.
Yeah, for. Sure, I do love that this game
doesn't punish you for melee. Like between the chainsaw and
then the berserk ability, which makes you just punch like it's
like it's totally worth it. And the first time you get the
berserk and you punch a demon and it just explodes from one
punch. Like it's just it's so worth it
and like, and it's one of those things that like they carried
over into the modern dooms, but that's always been dooms thing
is like you are like in Halo and other games, you're meant to
feel very strong, but not invincible, but as like the as
the the space marine, you're meant to be what the demons
fear, right? You're so powerful and I and I
love that it's just very metal. And I really think that they
those weapons in particular really convey it.
And then I do have to, of course, just shout out the BFG
because it's just, it's, it's, it's a legendary gun in, in
video game community and like firing off 1 green blast and
then watching like a ton of enemies light up at once and
fall over is just always satisfying.
That's the other thing too is like like this is this at this
point this is a / 25 year old game.
It is it's an old school game. It's an old school type of game.
Yes, they're, you know, made modern ones and everything but
weapons, how they feel, how they feel against enemies is always
been what Doom had done from day one, done well.
And it's just really great that they just they might introduce
new ones or they might use the same ones, but in certain
different environments and against different enemies.
They still feel sad, like a simple thing like a shotgun is
our favorite weapon in this game.
Like that's, that's something when you have something like the
BFG, yes, it's, it's hard to get sometimes.
You don't always have that handy.
But the only time they punish you is if you do die, you have
to restart the level with none of your weapons.
And yeah, it's an interesting tactic.
And I don't know that it's great later in the game 'cause I think
you're a little, you're a little, you're hindered by it a
little too much, I think. But I, you know, instead of
having 10 lives, you have hang on to your weapons as much as
you can. Like that's that's the goal,
right? And I don't know, I don't know,
Jiggy, you sort of like shook your head a little bit.
You didn't love that as well or? Yeah, I, I don't.
It's. I don't like feeling punished
for being bad. You know it's.
Like I already lost, like just just give this to me.
Yeah, yeah. Well, like, you know, it's one.
Of those invisible guys. Yeah, there he.
Is, yeah, yeah. It, it does help and it's great.
Another thing about about DOOM in general and, and with this
game is sound helps 'cause you can hear them coming.
Playing this game with headphones was great 'cause
there is so much fucking atmosphere in these games and
it's so simple too, right? Like it's just some noises, some
subtle, you know, background music in a way.
Like, that's it, that's all you need.
And that's I, I think that's just like really good sort of
sound design and, and, and music and all that kind of stuff.
And like, I don't know if these games would feel the same if
that wasn't such a such a success.
Easy for me to say. I really, I really like that
about it. And like those invisible guys,
for example, I think I knew. I probably knew he was there
because I could hear it. And then he was like right up in
my face. I was like, oh, shit, got to
react. But yeah, yeah, I thought it
was, Oh my God, are these skull guys like get out of here.
I hate it. I hate it.
Leave me alone.
The thing about this too is like when you die, it's one of those
games you build that muscle memory and you really, really
have to use it. Like once you get to the point
where you're you're dying at this specific point, you reach
past it. Like you blaze through the
levels so fast 'cause I there was like, I'm going to use the
first level as an example because the first level I was
really just kind of being like really leisurely exploring and
finding secrets and stuff and which I love finding secrets
anytime there's a wall that's just like invisible.
Oh yeah, I'm like. Oh, like it's so satisfying.
There you go, I just found one. Yeah, that's awesome.
Like how did I know it was there?
I don't know, it just looks slightly different look.
Like how you know is you just click on every wall till one
opens that's. Yeah.
Anything, anything that's not direct, well, even sometimes
direct wall. I mean, I was going to say
anything that's like protruding from the wall, but even the wall
itself, because I've walked through walls, I've opened
walls, even hit a switch where mysterious parts of a wall open
up. Like it's, it's really cool, but
it went to go back to it when you find those secrets and
stuff. I mean, I would memorize the
layout. I would go back, I would pick
things up super fast and I go through and I blaze through the
enemies. I'd be like, oh, I know I'm
gonna have three enemies on my right.
Oh, I know when I hit the Switch, I'm gonna have two
enemies on my left. You know, and you can get that
kind of choreographed muscle memory fire, hip firing and then
you're, you just feel kind of, you know, badass you.
You learn quickly. You definitely learn quickly.
There's definitely a few levels where some of them are even
short where I just, I died at, you know, let's say 1/3 of the
way through. I was like, oh shit, OK.
Then I made it halfway through and then I did the whole thing.
I was like, well, all I needed was to replay it a few times.
Is it a little bit of a pain in the butt?
Sure, kind of. But it still kind of feels good.
Like, I don't know it it does make you feel a little bit more
of a bad ass, even if you have just the pistol for a few
minutes anyway, I think. Oh yeah.
And then the map. The map is a thing too.
I forgot. Yeah, it's.
It it's just so PC game. It's such APC game map,
especially an old PC game map. It reminds me of like the old
Diablo maps too. And like Diablo one and two.
It would kind of just show up over the game play.
I love. That I yeah, 4 doesn't do that
right. They don't.
Have no, I don't think. So that's one of the things I
miss is I always played. I don't, I don't know if three
did. I'm pretty sure it did, but I
definitely always played two with the sort of translucent the
the see through map on top. When we started, when I started
playing four, I was like, wait, where's that option?
What the hell? That is Diablo to me anyways.
I wish in some ways you can do that here.
I don't know the map is. Yeah, a little bit.
You can kind of guide yourself. You can't see any of the enemies
on the map, but you can help you get stuck if you're not sure
what to click on or kind of where the path is.
I wanna go back to the sound and the composition.
So the sound design in this is the sound design in Doom games
is some of the best. The shotgun sounds satisfying,
the demons sound scary. The boss cries are really great,
like you can always know when you haven't.
You've missed an enemy, or maybe an enemy fell off a ledge
because you can hear their cries.
All of that. But the composition in this game
is really interesting because a lot of people associate Doom
with Metal. Rightfully so, because both the
modern games and the original two games have a ton of heavy
metal influence. This game, however, doesn't
really. There are a couple of hard
hitting tracks but for the most part this game is really ambient
and I love that the differentiation from the basic
the original Doom games is that this one went more for ambiance.
There are still some really cool tracks but like it's not as
pulse pounding as the original Doom was or the modern ones are
and I think that's a cool choice to make.
And I I I'm not 100% but I believe Aubrey Hodges who
composed for this wasn't the original Doom composer.
He worked on the original Doom games but he wasn't like the
lead composer on those games. He was someone else who just
came back for this and like, it's so cool to see that he kind
of put his stamp as something a little different.
And he's done like a ton of stuff, not only just on the N64,
but like just, you know, throughout the years he's worked
on some really memorable games and like, it's just kind of cool
to see his take on this. He also worked on Quake, so like
worked on. Two of the best shooting games
on the N64 he composed for, which is pretty neat.
Yeah, I I love the design. The sound design of this game,
like the chunk of the shotgun is still weighted, like you feel it
every time you fired. It's always so satisfying.
Yeah, some one of the best sounding video games I think
ever is the Doom franchise as a whole, but this one for sure.
Yeah, it's, it's great. And I think, you know, it's,
it's subtle things, you know, like you're mentioning that
there's not a lot of like a lot of big bombastic music and
stuff. It's just, it's going for those
vibes. It's going for those creepy
vibes. Like sometimes I was
legitimately like, I did a little, oh, you know, sometimes
it's because an enemy just popped up in front of me.
But it's just those little hints of, of the, of the enemies
crying out, like you said. And then you turn the corner and
it's like, oh, it's that enemy. Oh shit, now I got to switch on.
I got to be prepared. You know, there's different ways
to approach all of them and, and the more you play it like once,
once it kind of got a third way through the game, I was like,
hey, I'm listening for certain things.
I have a feeling this level might have this kind of enemy
here. And then it surprises you in
different ways. And that's partially due to the
sound design, partially due to just the design in general of
it. It's just it's great.
I had such a good time sort of just feeling like I was playing
that old school Doom again because it's been so long since
I have and, and I found it cool that like, I don't know what it
is. I just didn't expect.
Maybe I didn't even know this existed when I was younger
because I just didn't expect like Doom to be Doom 64.
There's something about it where it doesn't feel like this is the
game that would be out on this console.
Like there was supposed to be a PlayStation version of this, but
it never happened. That maybe just because I was
younger at the time and I was like, oh, PlayStation is the
adult console or whatever it was. 64 is meant for my Banjo
Kazooie and my Mario. Yeah, the fun.
Machine, The fun machine. Yeah, the kids fun machine.
Yeah. I thought it was.
I thought it's great. I think it I think it fits well,
it plays well, all that kind of stuff.
So did you guys have any particular like, I don't know,
favorite stages like early stuff, late stuff?
It's tough, like a lot of the stages bleed together just
because the I played it in like a sitting or two.
I didn't really take my time with it.
Also, if you're someone who's like, I'm not really good at
first person shooters, first of all, I'm awful at them
constantly. I'm not a good at first person
shooters. So don't feel bad.
But also, this is this game is from the era of cheats and I
love cheats because it's not cheating, it's augmenting the
game accessibility options as we call them now, because none of
it is really cheating is if they allow you within the game to do
it. And with Doom itself, like the
franchise, especially the older ones, they, they build all these
in because they know it's fun. They know it's an option that
like it's, it's been like Doom is meant for cheats and mods and
things like that. So that's also.
Completely and so I won't go for it.
I won't get I won't get on my accessibility soapbox.
Although I will say no, go for game lets you do it it it's OK.
Like I remember getting yelled at and Elden ring because I got
a a mage spell early that was like a kamehameha practically
and like devoured early bosses and they're like, Oh, you're
cheating. I was like, no, I secrets broke
something the game let me do. And then I made it easier for
like 3 bosses and then I still got stopped.
So be quiet. But like I about halfway through
this game, I turned on immense ability because it's like, I
want to see the levels, I want to see the, the, the stages, I
want to see the bosses, I want to see the quote UN quote story.
And it was still hard because like they're still, you got to
find stuff like they're still challenges even if you're
invincible. But like I the the cheap menu is
great. They have a lot of options in
it. You can skip stages and all of
the stuff. And so the fun thing with
invincibility, though, is you could get soft locked because if
you fell in a pit where there was no way to climb out and you
are invincible, you couldn't die.
And so I would have to like, restart the stage or skip the
stage, which I thought was funny because.
But yeah, I, I, I really think that this is worth it for anyone
to play because not only is it available everywhere now, but it
is, like I said, completely accessible with the cheat codes
and everything else. And it is worth experiencing on
some level, especially if you've been curious about Doom.
This is a great way to play a really good version of it.
And I agree, Dave, like I would have never thought that this
would be in the N64's catalog and that would hold up so well.
Like I really expected it to, to not have aged well in a similar
way to some other N64 games have.
But it really does. And, and, and I'm really stoked
about that because I wasn't sure.
I just knew I wanted to play Doom 64 and I'm really excited
to have seen how well it held up.
It, it feels great to play like honestly, it just, it just does.
And, and part of it is, is that nostalgia thing where I'm like,
I'm playing Doom again. And I'm, I can picture where in
the house at my buddy's place that we played it.
It was in like his dad's office on the main floor, like, you
know, a few feet away from the kitchen where our parents are
always would hang out and stuff. So it was like, you know, they
could watch over us in case anything happened or we're doing
something we shouldn't be doing or whatever.
You know, I guess Doom was OK when we were 10, but I guess
that was fine. But maybe because his older
brother was there and he's like 3-4 years older than us.
I don't know what the excuse was, but but I like it felt like
I was playing that game again, even though I clearly wasn't.
It still feels old school enough, but also feels just
modern enough, partially because it played mostly on PC, but it's
still it didn't didn't go and and like make this.
Some did it. They have the new ones if they
want. You want to play a new Doom,
play the new Doom. You don't have to play this.
You don't have to play some remade version of this.
You know what I mean? So the only other thing, the
only thing, this is a doom thing.
It's 100% of Doom thing. It's not just this game I really
hate sometimes when you have when I mean, this is again,
Jiggy. This reminded me because you
were talking about the keys and stuff.
You press a switch that opens a door or brings up a ramp or
whatever it does. You hear the sound and you're
like, all right, great, I can progress.
Where the shit is this thing? And then the switch turns off.
And then yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, that's the
worst, yeah. Yeah.
And then like the switch turns off and you're like, all right,
I didn't see it and it turned off, so not going to turn it
back on again. But I still don't know where it
is. And then you spend this like
running down each hallway after you press the button to see
where it is. And like, yeah, that's a Doom
level design thing. But I mean, it was it eventually
it just ended up being entertaining to me because I was
like, oh, here we go. All right, where are we going?
Or like, what's even worse, I think, and I think Jiggy, you
were talking to this a little bit earlier.
It's like when you press the button and you see where the
door is, but it's like on the other side and over a ledge.
And you know, you have to do a little bit of platforming to get
there with no jumping. Which I will say that some of
the platforming when running is really fun because you're kind
of like hopping, but like you see it and you're like, all
right, I got to get there. And then you just keep falling
because you can't get to it in time and like that, which is
also a very doomed thing. Actually the first time I I I I
played this. The first time I, I started
playing, it was on the 64, but I didn't know there was a run
button. It didn't, it didn't include it
didn't occur to me. And I think it's maybe like the
second or third stage where you need it to get over those
little, you know, hop over those little ledges and stuff like
that. And I'm like, I have no idea
what to do. What the hell.
Like there's nowhere else to go. It's not a big level, nothing
crazy as like, what could this possibly be?
And I actually had to look it up.
I was like, how do I beat like the second level, which should
be somewhat quote UN quote easy, And it was like, oh, there's
run. I felt like such an idiot.
Let. Me, let me say so I've had two
instances in this game where I was like they they should have
just they should have just given me a jump button.
One was when a secret door opened up and it was slightly
elevated so you couldn't get into it.
You had to walk. But what they put out was this
tiny little circle of a step like or opens.
There's this tiny little circle in the corner.
So you have to get to the corner and then go up.
You can't just like run straight.
You have to like go against the wall and then go in and then the
second one was there was a small gap, OK, and there's enemies all
around. So I'm like shooting the
enemies, right? They got all the enemies.
I run and you auto hop that gap and then you turn around the
corner and then there's the same exact gap.
I'm running, I'm still running and for some reason I don't make
the 2nd jump. And it happened like three or
four times in a row. I don't know what was up with
that. I stopped moving after the 1st
jump. This is just how I conquered it.
I stopped moving and then I turned on auto run again and
then I, I bolted and then I was fine.
It was like keeping that momentum didn't happen when I
continued running. I had to stop for a second and
compose myself. That 2 foot jump.
Literally take a step back like. Literally.
I mean, you could have. If I was in the game I could
have done no problems. Oh, for sure, For sure.
Yeah, yeah. Punch demons and kill him in one
hit but he can't hop over a 2 foot gap.
Come on, come on, Doom guy. Oh, I can't jump.
Oh, no, he's not. He's not really fully suited and
stuff. Come on, buddy, let's let's just
a little, you know, extend your legs.
You know, you don't have to go to the gym to do that.
Just just one little, you know, you don't have to work out.
You're you're fine. You could do it.
I I, I had AI had a really good time with this.
I think I haven't played every old doom game old or you know,
the style of Doom game. I can't remember which one I'm
missing. Maybe it's two.
I don't want it anyways. They, like you said, like early
on, Matt, they they kind of feel the same because the enemies are
the same and you know, but level design matters, I think.
I think that's a big thing, but this is, this could be the best
one that they've done. It is so good.
Like even when I was getting frustrated, I was and going back
and having to like start the level again and all those kinds
of things. Like it was really, really
great. And I thought it was just like
an excellent, excellent time. And, and it's just, it's
actually a lot longer than I thought it was going to be too.
I thought it was, you know, 1520 levels, something like that and
whatever, but it's 30 something. Yeah, I think 32 or 36,
something like that. Yeah.
And I think that's what the modern ones, I don't know that
the so I played it to completion on PC, but I think I think they
added stuff to the PC ones or the modern, you know, re
releases of them. They're like lost levels that
were like interspersed that they added that like were I think
unfinished in the original or whatever that they finished and
added to this game. Yeah, yeah.
So it makes it a little bit longer and everything too, which
is which is fun. But I also played, Speaking of,
of, of unfinished or finished stages, I played a couple mods
because you can do mods on on PC on this and not on the original
1. And there are some levels that
people made that are using original assets from this game,
but also creating their own that are just so cool.
Like a lot of these are really interesting, but a lot of, you
know, just like every other sort of mod community, they go and
they, you know, people are so creative and they use these
assets in interesting ways. And it is just like Doom is like
the mod machine. And this is just another one.
You know, I didn't associate it with mods 'cause it was on the
64. But if you're interested in, in,
in playing through mods and stuff with a game like this,
just find a version for cheap 'cause you can definitely find
this on PC and just look up mods 'cause it is it.
It can extend this game, you know, tenfold just with that.
The Doom modding community is still one of the most successful
and vibrant modding communities in existence.
The the WAD scene is really interesting and I, I didn't know
a ton about it until not too long ago.
There's actually some really cool narratives that people are
creating unrelated to Doom using Doom's engine, right?
And using the level, the level creator and stuff.
It's just, yeah, it's really impressive and really awesome.
Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's just, I'll
never be creative enough and never be able to make mods like
that, but I'm happy to experience them.
Yeah, same. I I I can't even Mario Maker my
way through. Oh, me neither.
Nope, Nope. Games kick my ass.
So it's like if I made a level, I would kick my own ass.
I know you have to like complete it to like release it or
whatever. I'd just find a way to frustrate
myself and it would just be like the worst experience ever.
Anything we missed along the way for the game?
I mean, it's, it's an FPS game. It's definitely really, really
good. I think because there's no, you
know, vertical look it you don't miss the fact that you're not
playing with twin sticks in it like it were for modern game.
So I think that's totally fine. The sort of auto aim that they
do with it is, you know, accessible and sort of easy to
understand and stuff. But yeah, it's just it's just
vibes, man. It's good FPS vibes.
That's yeah. I'm trying to, I'm trying to
understand, OK, I was trying to look it up to just let people
know if if I could understand it.
So on the PlayStation version, there were different kinds of
looking returning and the differences were roll, Yaw and
standard, I think, or something like that.
And I still don't know what the differences are.
I'm looking it up and it sounds like other people have looked up
like what does this do? So.
It's very possible that it's just a thing they said and it
didn't make a massive difference.
I don't know. Well, it's got to do something.
Why would you have it as an option if it?
Yaw sounds really weird, like why would there be like a like a
tilt almost isn't like a Yaw like a tilt?
Isn't that what that is like when you when you edit like a
photo and there's like a Yaw? It's it's something with
turning, so it's. Gotta be, I think it's it's how
you turn, maybe how fast you turn.
I don't really remember. But yeah, I used the standard
controls also. I mean, I, I, I mean, I think in
the modern version, you, you, you use both sticks, but you
don't aim up and down. You just turn with one stick and
move with the other, which is really great on its own.
Where's on the N64? I think you moved with the
analog stick and then you turned with the with the C buttons, the
C buttons, which I while in a game like Goldeneye, I feel like
that wasn't didn't work as well because this you didn't have the
freeform aiming it much easier to play on an N64 controller.
Probably better designed for it too.
And also the analog. So in I don't believe in the N64
version, there is a run button. I think because of how good the
analog stick was, like Mario's tilt run.
You just pressed it all the way to run.
You pressed it slightly to walk, which I I love The N64 has the
best analog stick in existence. It's a bummer that I mean the
the new ones can do the same but like there was something about
how it clicked and fit like it's just.
The digital to analogue is is just it's different like it's.
Yeah, it feels different. It's different, man.
It's. Just it's different dudes.
It's it's it's interesting too, because I've had, you know, a, a
replica N64 controller and played some of the games and the
accuracy, I mean, it's not the same.
It's not the same. They're cheap controllers.
Let's be honest, they're 20 bucks or whatever, right?
So I just got like an easy one, but I was playing, I think it
was actually maybe when when I was playing DK 64 at the time,
and I switched between the two controllers at the time.
And I was like, you know, there's really like small
platforms that you're walking on as, as the characters.
And I was like, this is impossibly hard.
How am I not getting across this really simple ledge?
This is ridiculous. And then I played with the
actual controller and realized, Oh, it's the freaking joystick.
Like that's that's what it is. But this had those C buttons and
stuff was very similar. GE we played the world is not
enough recently, and it was this.
It was the same it it it worked. So when I played that when we
played that, which was before I played this around the same time
and I've played mostly on PCI was like, wait, this is
familiar, but but not and it's it worked in both of these
games. And this came out in 97 World's
not enough came out 2000. I think it was so huge
difference and it still controls well, like it just it still
works. And because there's no extra
luck or you pretty much just have to strafe and kind of move
your way around and stuff. I don't know.
I thought it was. It's it's interesting to play a
game like this because growing up I've lived in more of the
timeline that we've had modern first person controls.
Some of us can say that. Some of us.
Can't. Yeah, I've lived more in that
timeline than the dark timeline before dual, dual sticks.
And I got to say though, it it doesn't bother me.
Like going back, it plays fine. Like there he just had in the
video where there was enemies above you, it basically auto
shoots up and it it can be a little disorienting.
But if you're paying attention and honestly, let's be honest,
you're going to be guns blazing. So you're going to be out there
just firing anyways half the time.
So you're like, oh, there's an enemy up there.
It kind of helps you sometimes. Yeah, well, I, I, I multiple
times I I would realize I would be I'd get to you have to be
basically a certain distance to that spot if it's up on the
ledge or below you or something like that.
And that's pretty much how it triggers.
But it was good because it actually would eliminate
enemies, eliminate enemies before you got to that spot.
So it's the auto aim is like, all right, cool.
Yeah, great. It works, you know, and.
Yeah, I think in most modern settings they would they would
call that an aimbot. If you're playing, yeah, If
you're playing Counter Strike at the time that I was around the
same time that this game came out, that's what that would,
yeah. That's what they would say,
yeah. Well, thankfully there are no
players here. It's just demons and demons
don't. Have demons don't have feelings,
just turn them into goop screw. That screw, I tell Dave this,
but I'm like, since we played Earth from gym 3D, I've just
been setting every game I played to easy mode and I'm really
enjoying myself, Yeah. Oh, you should be there's.
There's another accessibility thing.
There's no difficulty. Like what I love about the doom
series is they pulled away from this.
They used to pick on people for using easy, but like I played
the, the, the the modern Wolfenstein game and they made
easy mode, baby mode. And I was like, I'm never
playing your games ever again before.
I'm just never playing a Wolfenstein game because it's
not baby mode. It's it's a different people
have different skill levels. But yeah, playing on easy is the
best thing you could ever do, especially if you're frustrated
with a game. Or I mean, Earth from gym three
DI just I don't Earthworm Jim's one of my favorite franchises,
even though that franchise only has two good games.
But like it's just that 33D is like just kills me.
It's yeah, such. Promise.
And it was such a bad game. Yeah, it kind of destroyed us
too. Yeah, but I love this game.
I think that I think this is my favorite Doom game.
I do like Doom 2016. I think it's one of the best
modern shooters, but I think of the classic Dooms, especially
like all the way through Doom 3. This is definitely my favorite.
I just think it's it it took what the the original PC
releases one and two did and final doom did and like just
kicked it up a level. And I think and the fact that
this is an N64 game and I think it's one of the best doom games.
Like I'm going to say to the end of time that Mario 64 is one of
the best Mario games ever, but arguably Mario Odyssey is just
that but better. Like especially revisiting the
the bad Switch ports and so like this, but this?
Hands down, I think is even better than Doom 2016 because
it's different. It's just a different kind of
game. And, and I love this game for
what it is, yeah. It's it's.
Really similar opinions. Yeah.
Absolutely. I mean everything.
You said yeah. Elias love to love to find
common ground. Camaraderie.
Camaraderie, everybody. I I appreciate, I I prefer
visuals like this, Yeah. Yeah, that's great.
Yeah. It's your whole brand.
I like, I like modern games, but I feel like we've reached a
point where a lot of modern games, if they're not heavily
stylized and doing something creative, they look very much
like I'm like, oh, that's an Unreal Engine game, you know?
And it's not always a bad thing. Like some games I think suit it
really well. I'm thinking of like Batman
Arkham Knight. I'd love the way that game
looks. It's very Moody.
It's very like rain particles like looks really cool.
But then I think about every Call of Duty and every, you
know, I just they don't stand out to me at all.
They all kind of mesh together to be the same and especially a
lot of them control the same. And this was like a very fresh.
I know that's weird saying because we're going back, we're
going back in time. So it's actually the opposite of
fresh. It's actually probably spoiled
at this point, but I love seeing these almost looking these
sprites that look like they're 3D clay model, like super cool.
Like you see every access that they've drawn for these sprites,
but it's, there's something special about that.
And then combining it with the 3D polygonal maps that they have
really makes it visually stand out.
And it, it's stylized. It's like a thing people would
go for nowadays for like as an indie developer to make a, oh,
we want to make a game that looks like this, You know, it's
one of those looks that you're like, I want to emulate that
look and I, I love it. It's so cool.
And blood. There's tons of boomer shooters
on steam now that like a new blood half of new bloods catalog
is these kinds of games. And there's a a game that that
Apogee just put out two, the first two parts of called Wizard
Room, where you're a mage in a world like this.
I played the demo on on Steam Fest earlier this year or late
last year so it looks. It looks like a Bright Mage
version of Doom. It's crazy.
Brilliant and like this is, it's games like this that led us to
stuff like that and I think is an important piece of gaming
history graphically, but gameplay wise as well.
I love that I don't have to hang him up.
I'm a terrible shot. Like I the fact that the game
does not for me welcome that every time.
It should be more games. One of the one of the new games,
that is, I think it came out officially 2022 or 2093, is
called Proteus. It is pretty much doom like and
and they're not shying away from it.
They know that's what they're making it.
There's demons, there's crazy guns, there's levels very
similar, you're finding keys and all it like it is so much that
and it and it plays well and wants to just be doom.
And so if if you played one of these or you're like, well, what
does a new indie developer do with this idea?
That's what they've done with stuff like this.
It looks just like it. It plays great.
That's another one that you can you can definitely I was trying
to find that it was on game pass.
I don't think it is anymore, but definitely worth picking up
because it's not like super expensive or anything.
And it's it's super good. So.
And then I always like to look this up when I remember, of
course, when I remember how long it takes to beat this.
So if it's something that you're not sure, oh, I don't know if I
should dig into it. I said earlier that's longer
than I thought it was. Doom 64, at least the 64 version
of it. The original version of it on
how long to beat averages at 7:00 to 9:00 hours, somewhere in
between if you've done some of the secrets and done.
Yeah. So that's really good.
I would say that, you know, the more the the re releases that
we've been talking about, probably closer to the eight or
nine hour 1 'cause there's more levels, but that's it.
That's all you're going to get to it.
And yeah, you'll replay some, but if you do it at a pretty
steady pace and you restart a couple levels here and there
within 10 hours, I think realistically you can get
through everything and find a handful of secrets here and
there as well. So yeah, I, I recommend this
game. I think people should play it.
I think it's great, Matt. What the hell, man?
Like 3 for three for three for three for three.
So it's unfair. It's just unfair.
I gotta keep the streak going. I gotta.
Eventually I'll run out of good N64 games, but.
For now, gonna. Keep bringing the hits.
How dare you? I guess never.
Next time we'll just I mean, I guess I'm I'm foreshadowing, but
next time we'll just have to do if someone else doesn't claim it
before me, we'll have to do extreme G right.
I mean, just keep that streak going and there's.
Two of them too, so we can even if it's one, it's the other,
right? So, all right, Matt, thanks so
much for coming back. Thanks so much for bringing
another fantastic game for us to play and talk about and and
showing Jiggy just won at what these games were like.
And two, showing just how old we are compared to him.
I don't know. Oh yeah.
Yeah, well, that's fine. I knew, I knew Jiggy was a baby
and that's OK. The, I'm glad that I, I'm
actually really glad that you enjoyed the game Jiggy, just
cause like watching your content and stuff, like I know your
preferences, platformers, your preferences, a certain kind of
game. And that the fact that you
enjoyed this too. Like I always let you know, I
try and be open minded about games and I have preconceptions
like a lot of folks did. And for a long time I said I
didn't like first person shooters 'cause I assumed I
didn't 'cause I didn't like Call of Duty.
But it turned out I just didn't like Sami repetitive, boring
military shooter games, which, which to me are boring.
Plenty of people love those games and I'm not faulting them.
I just think that I'm always looking for something
interesting. And so it's always fun when I
bring, it's like I brought Buck Bumble on for the meme.
It's got the best time, but it's got the best title theme of any
game and that's why I brought it on.
But I did genuinely remember loving it.
The fact that Dave ended up loving it.
Also, like Yoshi's Story, there was no second thought.
Like I knew that was going to be a hit.
But like, yeah. And so I always love when folks,
you know, I like recommending stuff.
So the fact that you enjoyed it and like understood the faults,
didn't love some things, but still understood the full thesis
of the game and really dug it is always.
Fun. Oh, yeah, And I think I haven't
even played it, but I can tell you that my preferred way of
playing this game would have been on the Switch in handheld
as well. It feels like one of those games
that this is very specific that I would be like laying in bed at
night, like in the middle of the night.
And I'd just be like, oh, I just got to be one more level.
You know, I got this on my PlayStation.
I played it on my 64 as well. I definitely got sucked in on my
PlayStation and I had my surround sound and everything.
And it's very it's just very Moody to play at night.
And, you know, I just, I love that kind of stuff.
It's just so addicting. Yeah, it's I mean, and it's just
more more proof that like it's not just about the visuals that
are going to give you creepy vibes and feelings.
It's just the it's the overall mood.
I mean, like we said, the sound effects and and sound design,
everything is definitely a massive part of it.
But like that's it brings it all together and it is a quote UN
quote old school game and it is very successful at all of that.
So yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad we all enjoyed it.
That's awesome. I really think people should
check it out if they haven't. And Doom 64, everyone, Matt,
before we before we let you go, where can everybody find your
awesome stuff online? Sure.
So the one aggregate for everything is djstormagain.com
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I lifted my shirt that I'm wearing not lifted lifted.
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Yeah, for that. But you got to join the the
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You know what, honestly, the whole Patreon thing and doing
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collapses around us, I have thought the exact same thing.
I'm trying to do the same thing. Like it's just it's like a like
a one stop shop in general, like regardless of paid unpaid, like
whatever it is is nice to have. And hopefully that's, you know,
Patreon has this whole like everyone just automatically
assumes, Oh, you have to pay for everything, but the free tier is
there whenever you do it, the the people get everyone gets
updated and everything. And that's where I'm sort of
trying to trying to tailor things as well as as time goes
on. But as people may know at this
point, I have as of when this is releasing, I'm not exactly sure
I'm either just a new dad or about to be.
So I'm going to be a little bit quieter out there at the moment
if you're hearing this when this releases in the summer of 2024.
But but that's probably going to be where I'm going to be able to
do things because I can't keep up with 19 different social
media apps while I'm wiping poop off my shirt.
So I'm just gonna do everything I can.
And so, yeah, baby poop. Well, I don't know.
Not his own. Poop.
We'll see. We'll see.
I don't know how I'm gonna be feeling.
Maybe I won't make it. I don't know.
I have no idea. Is the first kid.
Who knows what's gonna happen? I will not, I will not rule it
out, but patreon.com/remember 64 show and remember 64 show on
social media as well. And just like what Matt said,
there is free content and if you throw a couple bucks our way,
you'll get episodes early and extra content as well that I'm
starting to work on. But yeah, episodes all would
come out early, especially these ones around this time, more
recent ones, because I'm editing everything ahead of time and
putting it on Patreon super early.
And and I'm going to sort of let it sit there early as I as I
become a new parent. So in the meantime, Jiggy, what
about you, man? What's what's happening?
Oh, man, we're growing. We're growing.
Yeah, my Discord is reaching 200
members, pretty active. It's kind of awesome.
Yeah, YouTube is reaching 6000 subscribers.
Oh yeah, Every time I check I get like another like 1020
subscribers. Yeah, you do.
Things are just growing. I do not have a Patreon so you
can just go give your money to these guys.
I actually get paid by YouTube so just watch my videos that
that works for me. Do it up worth it though, like
this. There's so much like you know,
Matt mentioned it earlier too, like your content is a lot like
there's a lot there and it's a lot of unique stuff too that you
don't even see, you know, necessarily like repeat on your
own channel, but you don't see it on other ones as well.
So like, it's not like you're just going in and watching some
random thing like, yeah, there's a video version of this show,
but there's lots of video versions of podcasts out there.
I'm not doing anything like you are, Jiggy, where it's unique
and special and sort of, you know, standing out from from
the. Rest So I don't really know how
to describe my own content. Sometimes it's kind of theories
and yeah, ideas and retrospectives and defending
games that I love by just talking about how much I love
them. It's a lot of that.
It's very positive though.
I think you'll you'll really enjoy it so.
Any person who's willing to go on the Internet publicly say
they are defending Star Fox Adventures really deserves your
time because that game is actually not as bad as you
remember. It's not great, but it's not as
bad as people make it out to be. It's really not.
No, it's got what I love about it.
It's got that rare charm. Any game that has that rare
charm, I'm just like, I love this.
I'm so excited to play that game because of hearing that multiple
times, definitely hearing it from Jiggy and I just, I really,
yeah, when, when the craziness is, is behind me, it's going to
be one of those games that that I definitely pick up.
And also looking forward for what me and Jiggy are going to
be covering too. We, we did cover one mod earlier
this year, but we're going to be covering more mods or some
exciting ones that we saw that are coming out that are mods of
Zelda games, Banjo Kazooie, stuff like that.
So we have some stuff lined up that's going to be Speaking of
mods of Doom, these are going to be mods of classic and 64 games
and we're very excited to jump into those as well.
So look forward to that later in 2024.
But everybody, thank you so much for joining me.
Thank you for joining us, Matt and Jiggy, nice to chat to you.
We will see everybody soon. And remember 64.
Bye. None.