1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,040 You know what Sony had the Holy Trinity? 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,400 Leo, Brad and Marco. Who do you have? 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,240 Hello and welcome to boy party the podcast the tackles cinemas 4 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:23,040 most legendary team UPS films were two major stars share the 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,880 screen and battle it out for screen time top billing the 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,720 fighter paycheck in the most claimed my name is Lisa one 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,920 daily and I am joined by the guy who murdered his wife. 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,520 He ended up here with me, but he does our taxes, so we like him. 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,520 It's Shane Kelly. I didn't burn my wife. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,520 The the Lord fucked me. The Lord. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Fucked you? Is that what he says? 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,440 Is it the Lord of the lawyer? The lawyer is it. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,440 All the God that I think the line in this movie is that Oh, 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,360 my lawyer was a fucking use that that's how these guys. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,920 Until I watched it this time I always thought the phrase was 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,240 the Lord fucked me, no. I didn't think the Lord is 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,160 fucking anyone, no. People like the Lord and Josh. 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,280 Yeah, I get the sense that like these guys cheekily are like, 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,920 look, I, I know I did the crime. No, my lawyer was bad. 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,840 It's a way of just kind of brushing the the the industry. 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,320 Is like a prison gets Prison is probably a much more pleasant 22 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,200 place to be if everyone there is innocent. 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,360 Yes, Yeah. No. 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Criminals. Yeah. 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,040 And there's no one. There's a bunch of nice guys who 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,600 don't deserve to be here. Yeah, of course. 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,400 Hello and welcome to the podcast. 28 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,840 This is the greatest film of all time. 29 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,200 The Shashank Redemption this. Is the greatest film of all 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,480 time. I'd say the 52nd best film we've 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,720 done on this podcast, maybe something like that. 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,720 Top half. I don't know, I don't know. 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,880 Right. It's right in the middle. 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,960 Probably right in the middle. I don't hate this film. 35 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,160 I think this film has a lot going for it. 36 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,840 Dare I say this might be the most overrated film of all time? 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,920 I think it's not. And I know I'm turning into the 38 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,880 fucking guy in The Newsroom who's like, write an article, 39 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,400 most overrated movies, and Dev Patel shows up and is like, this 40 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,160 is not journalism, this is negativity. 41 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,640 You disappoint me. But in that movie, they're like 42 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,080 the Godfather, an Avatar. But I'm like, I think the 43 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Shawshank Redemption quality relative to cultural standing, 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,039 it's in the mix. But what? 45 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,960 What do people latch onto so much in this SO? 46 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,160 It's a, it's a straight male emotional catharsis thing. 47 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,600 I think this is a film that obviously taps into something 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,440 where men who do not know how to express their feelings are able 49 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,480 to cry at it without a sense of being silly or shame. 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:38,040 And they love rewatching it. And it has become a emotional 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,360 totem pole for like, a certain type of man who doesn't really 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,640 engage with like, sad films. I don't know men like that. 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,720 So it's hard for me to understand. 54 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,640 I guess it has a particularly inspiring narrative in that if 55 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:54,000 you are just patient enough for long enough, you will get your 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 nice thing. Yeah. 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:55,760 And kind of don't. It's. 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,840 A religious thing. It's it's a, it's a Christian 59 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,920 narrative. A little bit. 60 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:02,600 There's also I think, yeah, the picture picture like the type of 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,400 man we interact with the least. People who you know drink at the 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Black Forge go to Benidorm on holiday. 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,880 Fucking 50 tags on their Instagram captions. 64 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,080 Loads of fake tan picture that type of guy. 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,400 Sure. That type of man is going to be 66 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,880 inspired by this movie because it's like crime is bad, but like 67 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,840 if you're in prison, everyone's equal. 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,560 And then at the other end of that there's a rainbow and you 69 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,200 can be friends with other men based on a shared sense of 70 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,200 trauma. I mean, it's like it's a real 71 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,000 basic. Is this is this structurally a 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,960 war film as well? I suppose a little bit in terms 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,040 of how it throws men into the situation where they have to 74 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,240 bond with one another, I suppose it is. 75 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,520 I mean, prison movies are their own their own category, 76 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,800 obviously, but because there's a lot more war movies than there 77 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,280 are prison movies, you're right. Maybe prison movies generally do 78 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,080 have to tap into the structures of something like a war movie. 79 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,880 Yeah, you have your your battles and your pression. 80 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,280 I really like prison movies. I think it's like like if you 81 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,240 tell me there's a prison movie coming out, I'm like cool, 82 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,360 that's a cool sign for movie. And obviously we've got the 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,000 Damien Chazelle thing coming out soon, but like I wouldn't rank 84 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 this as highly as I would rank something like Cool. 85 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,079 And Luke started up with Jack O'Connell, which is amazing. 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,560 Frank Berry's Irish film Michael inside, which is great. 87 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,240 Escape plan. No, this is better than escape 88 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,520 plan at the Green Mile, which is Darabont's follow up to this, 89 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,240 which I think is I think is a bit better and probably helps 90 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,400 that it has Tom Hanks in it, who, you know, with respect to 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,680 the guys in this, Tim Robbins is no Tom Hanks. 92 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,160 So I think there's like prison movies actually have a really 93 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,680 high ceiling for me. But this is like right down the 94 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,280 middle, yeah. Sorry, I think the other way to 95 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:48,000 view this is it's a bit of a fantasy of what if a smart guy 96 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,520 went to prison. And I think people like to 97 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,480 imagine themselves in that position where like. 98 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,440 I'd be smarter than everyone else, actually, so I'd be fine. 99 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,280 Yeah, I'd. Figure it out because I have a 100 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,920 bit of. Intelligence, it's like, yeah, 101 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,520 yeah, yeah, so. Probably appeals to the the the 102 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Cam middle class person who has no history of violence at all. 103 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,400 Yeah, yeah. This is what would happen if I 104 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,680 murdered. Yeah, If I murdered my wife, 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,000 it'd be OK because I'd be able to talk my way out of it. 106 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,360 They'd all love me in there. And eventually I'd be able to 107 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,840 break out because I'd be so clever. 108 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,480 Yeah. And like the Tim Robbins 109 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,120 character in this movie, I mean, he's kind of the worst guy we 110 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,320 meet in there other than, other than the guys who are like 111 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,720 assaulting people and, and, and going around, you know, with 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,920 knives. Which mean the worst guy he's. 113 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,960 Committed a really heinous crime. 114 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,040 He hasn't done it. He hasn't done it, no. 115 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Well, that's A twist at the end. OK, fine. 116 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,080 I was looking at it through the lens of believing he had done 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:42,800 of. Course he hasn't done. 118 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,120 He's white, nice middle class. We work in finance. 119 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,400 But we do think he's done it, don't we? 120 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,560 At the start? I find this I find this a little 121 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,920 bit confusing. Yeah, no, I, I I can't get 122 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,720 sucked into the thinking he did this, considering this is such 123 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,840 an omnipresent film and you kind of know all the beats. 124 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,120 I know. Just generally I'm. 125 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,200 Thinking like in the context of the prison, he has, as far as 126 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,440 they're aware, killed his wife. They have no reason to believe 127 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,480 him that he's innocent. So like he's like this white 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,480 asshole rich guy, college educated man who had loads of 129 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,640 money, had everything going for him, had loads of opportunity, 130 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,800 did a stupid thing. His wife was cheating on him. 131 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 He shot her. Yeah, like I would argue that 132 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,000 like all of the other guys, like the Freeman character and all 133 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,360 the other black comics he's in there with are probably much 134 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,520 less, have done much less egregious things. 135 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,640 A lot of armed robbery and that kind of thing there. 136 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,040 Like stuff where I'm like fine, whatever. 137 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,080 They should probably be like ostracizing him. 138 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,840 He's the worst. He's the worst fucking annoying 139 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,040 prick in there, like. But again, and he's, I think 140 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,440 this feeds into the the, the male glorification of this, of 141 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,600 that shooting your wife and her lover when they're cheating on 142 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,600 you is fine. I think a little bit, yeah, 143 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,800 Yeah. And I think when you pointed. 144 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:55,960 Out. I think that is an honorable 145 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,360 crime. Yes, we get to the average man 146 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,200 in the 90s. End of this movie and it has 147 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,920 this big sentimental ending. And you pointed out correctly, 148 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,840 there's no thought given to the wife. 149 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,800 This guy's wife died. Yeah, and no one. 150 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Cares. He doesn't care. 151 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,040 He's not thinking about his wife at all. 152 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,600 I mean, it's, it is 20 years later. 153 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,680 Like he kind of would have 20 years later. 154 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,920 He's in there for 20 years. Oh, Jesus, They didn't do a lot 155 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,080 of effort on the make up of this. 156 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,040 I thought this was set over like maybe eight or nine years. 157 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,920 No, it's 20. That's crazy. 158 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,160 I think you're right. OK, so he he gets in. 159 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,360 Skinny hair is surprisingly good. 160 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,800 Yeah, he gets in in 47 and. He's out in 67 I think, or 68. 161 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Yeah, something like that. 68. That's crazy. 162 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,280 God, he looks the exact same starting at the end. 163 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Yeah. I mean, I know it's 20 years 164 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,000 ago, but, like, the guy doesn't talk about his wife in prison at 165 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,000 all. I get that. 166 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Yeah. Again, this film has this real, 167 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,480 like, male approach of like, once your wife cheats on you, 168 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,560 she may as well be dead, so who cares? 169 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,080 And it's like, I don't know. I think it's beside his wife got 170 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,840 killed and he got blamed for the murder. 171 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,560 He only seems to care about himself and his own innocence, 172 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,920 not the fact that his wife is dead and that they've gotten it 173 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,640 wrong. Oh, anyway, this is such. 174 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,480 A Whatever. You can't cover every, you can't 175 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,000 cover every angle of emotion, any. 176 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,680 Women with speaking parts in this movie. 177 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Is there someone on the parole board? 178 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,120 I don't think so, no. Sure, it's set in the 1950s. 179 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,360 There'd be no women on the parole board. 180 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Is there any woman with bank teller? 181 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,520 No. No, Oh, there's the girl at the 182 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,160 supermarket. Yeah, what a girl working at the 183 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,760 teller. Might not have dialogue though. 184 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,160 What's his name again? Warehouse, the guy who dies. 185 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,840 Yeah. Brooks. 186 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Brooks, Brooks Andy's wife is played by an actress, I'd say. 187 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,919 As far as I recall, all she says in this is like, Claire Slammer 188 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,600 portrays Teller at the main National back. 189 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,080 There you go. So there's three women in this 190 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,680 movie. Yeah, and a couple of posters, 191 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:50,800 obviously, who are characters of themselves. 192 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,880 So it's based on a on a novella called Rita Hayworth and the 193 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,560 Shawshank Redemption. And I was always under the 194 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,000 impression that this was because the poster that he uses to cover 195 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,320 up his giant escape hole is called is as opposed to Rita 196 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Hayworth. But then when you actually get 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,960 to it in the film, it's a poster of what's her face, Planet of 198 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,920 the Apes. It's Rita Hayworth at the 199 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,160 beginning. Rita Hayworth is who they're 200 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,360 watching. They go through three. 201 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,400 Oh, they go through different posts. 202 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,520 Yeah, yeah. Because he goes up to Morgan 203 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,160 Freeman and he's like, can you get me, Rita? 204 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,400 You're right, they have her at the start. 205 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,240 They wrote it's kind that that is the that is to signify the 206 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,000 passing of a time. Yeah, yeah, that's what they use 207 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:23,960 as their. And you're right, there's a 208 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,320 good, there's a good scene where they're watching, there's a 209 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,680 scene where they're watching what Gilda or whatever in the 210 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,440 cinema room and they're all yelping and catcalling. 211 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,960 It's just like us with the Verity trailer and. 212 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,720 But they're like nothing has happened like. 213 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,880 Look at her eyes. Yeah. 214 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,880 Oh, she's, she's just, she's just like swishing her hair 215 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 around like it's great. It's the most like innocent film 216 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,600 being turned into a voyeurism ever. 217 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,560 Yes, it's ultimately a poster of Raquel Welsh because it's the 218 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:53,080 60s now, which is really funny. So yeah, everyone knows the plot 219 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,320 of this movie. He's a smart guy in prison. 220 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,120 He uses his math skills to impress the warden who has like 221 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,200 a bunch of like dodgy financial. Stuff we seem either either one 222 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,920 money gambling or through a lottery or something. 223 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,880 OK. And he's like he's chatting to 224 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,640 his boys and he's like, oh fuck, I'm going to have to pay loads 225 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,840 of taxes now on this not shit. And he's like and, and he pops 226 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,400 over and he's like, actually, if you give it to your wife. 227 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,360 Yeah, it comes. As a gift and that's tax free. 228 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's a. 229 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,040 Like I know people doing this shit now I will. 230 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,680 So he uses this as a he uses this as leverage to like 231 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,920 befriends the warden. The warden is played by a guy 232 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,880 called Bob Gunton and I have added Bob Gunton to my list of 233 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,520 people. I don't know if they are alive 234 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,240 or dead. Sorry, the the man with the 235 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,840 issue is the the main prison guard, yes. 236 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,760 Yeah, not Bob Gunton. Bob Gunton learns of his skills 237 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,520 and high. Recruits. 238 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,280 Bob Gunton has his own dodgy stuff as well. 239 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,040 A. 100% yeah, yeah. But his the initial reveal, yes, 240 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,400 is to the prison guard. Who is like, yeah. 241 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,560 And there's also, he's helping people, like, do their kids 242 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:55,440 college, financial plans and stuff. 243 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:56,800 Like, some of it is more innocent. 244 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Some of it is that he's just, like, helping people figure out 245 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,280 how to, like, send their kids to college. 246 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,640 Yeah. The prison guards. 247 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,080 Yeah. Because the crazy guard goes to 248 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,560 visit him in solitary and is like, my kid got all A's today. 249 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,520 And Tim Robbins is like, I don't give a fuck. 250 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Fuck off. So he does a bunch of that and 251 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,000 he befriends Reds, played by Morgan Freeman, and he goes, 252 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,200 they call me Red because I'm Irish and he. 253 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,480 OK, he was a contraband smuggler before he got in and he gets a 254 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,120 rock hammer and a big poster. So this is the basically the 255 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Chekhov's rock hammer. And it turns out he's been 256 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,240 spending this entire time making a hole behind his poster. 257 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,760 Kind of a X Mac in a bit of a like lazy jump into a conclusion 258 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,200 thing where it's like he was he was planning his escape the 259 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,400 entire time and nobody ever thought to look behind his 260 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,600 poster. Why would you look behind the 261 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,160 poster I. Feel like that's A twist that 262 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,800 works in a short story more than it works in a in a 2 1/2 hour 263 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,240 film. It just feels. 264 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,680 Like I can't remember if it's, if it's. 265 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,080 You're going from zero to 100 there. 266 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,920 Fine, but you also have to. I can't remember if this is 267 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,720 considered a plot. On this We we didn't watch 268 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,080 Cinema Sins. No, but is his cell on the end 269 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,520 of the row? Exactly what would that wall 270 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,440 lead? To. 271 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,200 Sorry. Also, how far does he have to 272 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,040 crawl into that hole by the 15th year to to be digging? 273 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Like at the start he's just rocking. 274 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,440 He's he's hitting away at his wall, right? 275 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Yeah, but then he starts to get into the wall, and then he has 276 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,400 to start getting in behind the poster from crawling. 277 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,240 In on his head, from what I can gauge, probably two or three 278 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,840 meters. All right, just feels like he 279 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,480 get caught to pass that they would walk by and see that he's 280 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,000 not there because he's in behind his poster in his little wall 281 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,040 hole, I don't think. They were doing night 282 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,360 inspections. He he learned the beats of this 283 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,840 anyway he he figured out. Only they had CCTV. 284 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,480 I don't know. That is a giant room of probably 285 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,280 men farting professionally. Yeah, true. 286 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,360 Just you. Think this has come from a true 287 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,440 story. Is anything happened here? 288 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,720 I'm sure fellows have dug the ray out of prison. 289 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,920 Before yeah, dog, but I'm wondering about like dog digging 290 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,760 in behind a poster or whatever. I'm not sure so. 291 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,320 It's it's it'll be very interesting to be a man trapped 292 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,720 in prison for 20 years and progressively watching women's 293 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,800 fashion change into lots of clothes to. 294 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Less and less clothes. It is funny, yeah. 295 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,000 What about you think the outside world? 296 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,840 And then back again, and then back again. 297 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,960 Frank Darabont bought this the rights to this story off of 298 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Stephen King for $5000. It's a 96 page novella. 299 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,640 It's not too short and King said I don't know how this is going 300 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,200 to be a film because it's based on Red contemplating his fellow 301 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,040 personality. So the book is from Red's 302 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,520 perspective and and he probably doesn't have much autonomy or 303 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,200 like, isn't much of A protagonist. 304 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,920 And Stephen King never cashed the $5000 check and he framed it 305 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,720 and returned it. Starbot accompanied by a note 306 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,560 which read in case you ever need bail money. 307 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:50,840 Love Steve. That's fun. 308 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,440 That's nice. I mean, Seeking does not need 309 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,280 $5000. Unlikely, no? 310 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,640 I wrote the script over an 8 week period. 311 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,360 He expanded on elements of King's story. 312 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,360 Brooks is a minor character in the novella who dies in a 313 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,120 retirement home, becomes a tragic character who eventually 314 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,120 hangs himself. So yeah, I think the Brooks 315 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,440 sequence is the kind of the keystone to understanding people 316 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,440 loving this movie so much because it is like Baby's first 317 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:19,680 bottle episodes. Like as a viewer of prestige 318 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,760 television, I am very familiar with the concept of the sixth 319 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,280 episode of the season. We're going to go follow Brooks 320 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,960 around for an hour. If Shawshank Redemption was ATV 321 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,360 show, episode 6 would be the Brooks episode. 322 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,360 Brooks gets out of prison, Brooks goes, lives his life. 323 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,600 Brooks dies at the end of the episode. 324 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,640 They give Brooks fucking Emmy best guest actor award. 325 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,480 There is a direct RIP off of this in Lost. 326 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,760 Where John Locke? I'm going to do a massive lot 327 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,360 Lost spoiler now guys, this is like season 5 of Lost so cover 328 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,280 your ears folks. What are the main characters 329 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,680 I've lost? As far as I recall, John Locke 330 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,560 leaves the island, gets this kind of like into this situation 331 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,040 where he doesn't know how to return to the real world and he 332 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,520 hangs himself. And it's in like the second last 333 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,920 season of the show and he is like one of the main characters. 334 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,760 And what happens is he comes back possessed by the purple 335 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,560 smoke monster. I think I'm right. 336 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,840 I haven't seen Lost in 15 years. And that and that the the rest 337 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,040 of the show, the character is just the purple smoke monster 338 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,560 presenting as John Locke. So Terry O'Neill gets to be in 339 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,680 the show, but John Locke has hung himself. 340 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,480 And you're just kind of like, oh, I missed John Locke, but I 341 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,080 guess I'm looking at him. But it's not the actual 342 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,760 character. And that's what happens until 343 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,960 the end of the show. And then obviously, John. 344 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,760 Refer to it as the Purple Smoke monster in the show. 345 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,760 That's what he's known as. I'm trying to remember what they 346 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,360 Yeah, I think he's called the purple smoke monster in the 347 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,240 show. That's not you shorthand. 348 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,600 And Oh no, Purple Smoke Monster is like what he's known as 349 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,080 anyway, I'm just thinking about that now. 350 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,600 I think that's a direct thing, pulls from Shawshank. 351 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,000 But yeah, it's a very TV bottle episode thing. 352 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,360 There's like a whatever 7 minute sequence where Brooks is like 353 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,680 dear Red, I'm finally out and I'm living in the real world. 354 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,560 I don't like it so much here. Everything moves too fast for an 355 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,800 old man like me, and it is the most emotionally manipulative, 356 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,320 depressing but effective element of the. 357 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,440 It's like a It's like a Christmas ad from Post. 358 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,200 Yeah, it is. Brooks sauces Teddy bear. 359 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,640 It's such an unbelievable bummer and it just ends with him dying 360 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,000 and the guys back at the prison being like, well shit, maybe I 361 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,920 don't want to get out of here, but then I guess what? 362 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,720 It I don't think they. They don't know. 363 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,960 They learn he does he. Kind of says he's going to he. 364 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,880 I think he implies in his letter that he's going to kill. 365 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,880 Himself. Oh, he writes a letter. 366 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,400 Because they're, they look really horrified. 367 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,080 I think what it does is it scares the guys in prison about 368 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,160 what's going to happen when they get out. 369 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,800 And it gives Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman the impetus to 370 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,600 come up with a pretty solid plan of action for what they're going 371 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,640 to do if they get out. Yeah. 372 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,640 So that they're not just aimlessly trying to go get a job 373 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,840 in a shop and. No, I I think it probably is a 374 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,280 necessary scene to include just to cover off the view of the the 375 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,520 the troubles of being institutionalized that long. 376 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,560 It's really effective, I say. But I hate it. 377 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,400 I think it's horrible. I think it's really manipulative 378 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,640 and just depressing for the sake of it. 379 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,720 But it's good. It's well, it's well done, and I 380 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,400 think it's where my boy Thomas Newman gets to really just 381 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,599 fucking. Crack his. 382 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:18,480 Shit for 5 minutes I famously every movie to me is improved 20 383 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,839 to 100% by a Thomas Newman score. 384 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 We there's some movies that really are like if if I did a 385 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,920 scale of most improved by Thomas Newman score to least improve by 386 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,240 Thomas the Judge double double improved by Thomas Newman's 387 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,920 score, the help double improved by Thomas Newman's score. 388 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,640 I would say Shawshank is in the sort I like. 389 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,760 He gets a bit of a 40% boost range, but he really gets to do 390 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,640 a lot in this Brooks scene and Brooks was here is, I think, a 391 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,000 track on the soundtrack. And I think if you go on a 392 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,920 Thomas Newman's Spotify page, it's always in like the top 393 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,400 five. It's up there with the fucking 394 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,800 Nemo's mom death scene and the series Unfortunate Events letter 395 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,440 that never came and and American Beauty jerking off in the shower 396 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,520 scene was the. We'll sign your name and 397 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,680 including. Was here a thing before? 398 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,000 Bart Simpson was here. Yeah. 399 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Yeah. I don't know. 400 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Did he invent it? I'm asking. 401 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,440 Yeah. Because, you know, I think young 402 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,200 lads right in the wall in bathrooms and schools. 403 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,640 But I think people drop the H in the 90s, what was ear was ear. 404 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,720 Dennis de Menace was ear. Like when I was a kid, that was 405 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,720 like the coolest thing you could do was say that you were ear. 406 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,400 I'm not familiar with that. So Brooks was was is there and 407 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,720 then later in the movie Red gets out and he gets sent to the 408 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,160 exact same room in the exact same halfway house and he sees 409 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,680 Brooks was here and he's like, I can't be like Brooks. 410 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,400 He follows the exact same thing. He he just re repeats the Brooks 411 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,720 scene. He goes and he works in the 412 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,600 supermarket. He doesn't like that. 413 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,080 It is a really funny message that like working in retail is 414 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,200 worse. Working in prison, yeah, I guess 415 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,080 it's worse than being in prison if you are an ex convict that 416 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,160 nobody wants to be friends with. That's the thing, people in 417 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,840 prison have time for you because they know. 418 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,560 You're all of your prison. No one you're in prison with is 419 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,040 going to get out on the same day as you know. 420 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,400 So you are going to be sent out into the world alone. 421 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,760 And like I I don't know if I picture people in the real world 422 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,000 I know of who have gone to prison. 423 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,600 They've had family and friends waiting for them for some 424 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,000 reason, I guess because of the length of the sentences. 425 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,160 Like Brooke Brooks, he was in prison for over 50 years. 426 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,720 Brooks was in prison for so long that there was absolutely nobody 427 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,960 in his life left when he got out. 428 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,720 And sure, the people he knew when he was younger, they 429 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,160 wouldn't recognize him. They wouldn't care to hang out 430 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,400 with him. They'd be like, you're like, 431 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,040 you're that random guy who killed someone 50 years ago, 432 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,640 armed, robbed a bank or whatever. 433 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,200 So yeah, there's a real issue here of, like, returning to your 434 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,840 life. But Red, who is a far more 435 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,360 proactive character and less of an old fucking sad sack that 436 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,840 Brooks is like, well, I I know where Andy might be, so I'm 437 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,160 going to rent a car and go find him and they end up on the boat 438 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,480 together. How they're going to survive 439 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,600 without any money, I don't know. They have loads of money. 440 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,080 They. Have loads of money, yeah oh, 441 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,080 because they've sorry, because Andy has fucking. 442 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,560 Andy's been frightening money off the ward for years, Andy. 443 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,360 Has loads of money so red what didn't? 444 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,680 But Andy has loads of money. OK, great, that's nice. 445 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,440 They're gonna have a nice life together. 2 pals. 446 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,640 The other plot. Twist in this is about 2/3 of 447 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,320 the way through, a new young man is brought to the prison, Yes, 448 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,560 and he reveals, just kind of by accident, that he shared a cell 449 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,240 with the man who essentially admitted to the crime that Andy 450 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,600 was convicted. For So they have like this, 451 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,920 yeah, they have a person who is providing this evidence, yeah, 452 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,400 but then they have to like actually get the fucking parole 453 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,360 committee to hear it or whatever. 454 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,160 But the but the risk here is if Andy gets out, he's going to 455 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560 reveal all the dodgy money business, so the warden has an 456 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,920 incentive for this story not to get. 457 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Out So the warden ends up just getting the this new guy shot. 458 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,800 Yeah. He brings him out to the yard in 459 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,880 the middle of the night and was like, do you? 460 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Do you promise me you will swear Underoath that this is true? 461 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,520 And he was like, yeah. And then he just gets fucking 462 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080 shot. This guy's Tommy Williams is the 463 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:42,680 character. Yeah. 464 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,480 Jill Bellows, Canadian actor also in here you've got so James 465 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,880 Whitmore plays Brooks. He's very good. 466 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,880 He's he's a two time Oscar nominee. 467 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,720 He was Oscar nominated hear this in 1949. 468 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,400 Wow, Brooks, Brooks. He was Oscar nominated in 1949 469 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,160 for a movie called Battleground with Van Johnson. 470 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,080 And then he was Oscar nominated again in 1975. 471 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Forgive him. Hell Harry, which he is the 472 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,960 leader of and he plays Harry Truman. 473 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,400 I don't know. James Whitmore is Harry Truman, 474 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,120 that's very good. So he was a legendary actor. 475 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,920 He's kind of like a legendary actor, I guess, who just exists 476 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,080 in like slightly so boy party world where like, I don't really 477 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,120 know who he is an Oscar nominee. That's a fun that's fun casting. 478 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,040 I guess it's like if you made a movie, if you made this today, 479 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,800 who would you cast as Brooks, who's like like 10 years ago I 480 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,280 would have said Ernest Borgnine. I'm trying to think, who's like 481 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080 an Oscar nominee from like, oh, Lou Gossett junior. 482 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,600 Maybe. He died though, right? 483 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,760 He died like a year or two ago. It would have been Lou Gossett, 484 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,520 Junior. Back to my point, Bob Gunton, 485 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,600 don't know if he's alive or dead. 486 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,800 Shane knows he won't tell me. I don't want him to tell me. 487 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,640 I have a short list of celebrities where I'm like, are 488 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,760 they dead? Shirley Bassey's on that list. 489 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,160 David Jason, John Humphreys, former host of Masterminds, 490 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,560 mostly English celebrities, and Bob Gunton. 491 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,160 And Don't tell Us. I think he's probably alive, but 492 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,800 I really don't know. And then Clancy Brown, Mr. Krabs 493 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,080 himself plays one of the prison guards head prisoner. 494 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,920 He's got an incredible face. Oh, fantastic. 495 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,360 He's really, he's in last as well. 496 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:19,640 Actually, he's grown out a beard in the last 20 years and I don't 497 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,040 think it's suits him. I think he's got a great chin 498 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,480 and he should let that chin like hang free. 499 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,320 Oh, he's got a real prototypical American mid century. 500 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,920 Yeah, tough guy football. Just Mister man. 501 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,680 Like that's great. So this movie was not a 502 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,880 commercial success, but it was made for 25,000,000. 503 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,480 OK, made $73 million on a $25 million. 504 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,440 I wonder, does that include like subsequent re releases? 505 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,040 Re releases? Where was the films? 506 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:55,120 It was filmed in Mansfield. OH, for the exteriors anyway. 507 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,720 I mean, Frank Darabont being the director of a movie that is 508 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,480 considered the greatest movie ever made is always very funny 509 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,960 because you're like, who are the great directors? 510 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,240 You know, if we're even to look at it from OK, so this is always 511 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,880 like in the Empire magazine list 2000. 512 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,040 First I first heard of this movie. 513 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,360 Empire magazine in 2006 did greatest movies of all time 514 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:16,440 list. This is number one. 515 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,760 I distinctly remember my parents being like, what a ridiculous 516 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,400 choice, The Shawshank Redemption. 517 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280 What's wrong with people? Keep in mind this is 12 years 518 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,560 after Shawshank came out. Yeah. 519 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,600 So this is the equivalent of a movie from 2014 being named the 520 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,720 greatest film of all time. So Interstellar, right? 521 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,000 It'd be like if Interstellar was #1 on empires greatest films of 522 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,880 all time, which is conceivable. But if that happened, you'd be 523 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,320 like, well, Christopher Nolan is still like the GOAT for these 524 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,720 types of people. It's it's a good like you're 525 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,520 more of a symbol. Rather than the specific film, 526 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,000 you're like Christopher Nolan, Scorsese, Coppola, Spielberg. 527 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,760 These are like the heavyweights of movies. 528 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,720 And which of theirs is your favorite? 529 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,040 Which kind of whereas? Empire Magazine will be like so. 530 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840 Our #1 Greatest movie of all time was directed by Frank 531 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,120 Darabont, and our number 2 greatest Movie of all time was 532 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:12,840 directed by ervin Kirschner. Now, Empire Magazine has 533 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,400 multiple times named a film directed by ervin Kirschner the 534 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,120 greatest film of all time. And I'm looking at you and you 535 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,440 can't tell me what that film is. And that is incredibly 536 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,560 interesting. Kirschner Ervin Kirschner, I 537 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:24,920 think. What? 538 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,080 What are you are? We talking here? 539 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,200 This film is from 19801980. Yeah, this is this has been 540 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,920 named Empire magazine's greatest film of all time at least once 541 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,320 or twice. Can I get some more hints on 542 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,200 what this is while the clue is in the title? 543 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,440 The greatest? Film. 544 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,400 No. The Clue Empire Magazine This 545 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,080 movie is Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back. 546 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,360 OK, fine. Which is a fucking sequel that 547 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,000 isn't even as good as the original. 548 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,400 Yeah, now maybe if I had a magazine called Redemption, 549 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,600 maybe we'd name the Shawshank Redemption the greatest movie of 550 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,120 all time. But anyway, nevertheless, it's 551 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520 ridiculous to me that Frank Darabont and ervin Kirchner 552 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,760 movies get put at the top of the list. 553 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,280 I'm really against Frank Darabont, but like, Frank 554 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,040 Darabont does not necessarily exist as an auteur outside of 555 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,520 these two King movies. He did. 556 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040 So he did this. He did Green while five years 557 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,440 later and he did a Jim Carrey. Like, I don't know what's, 558 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560 what's the Majestic even about? I don't even know. 559 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600 And now he is like fully TV guy. He well worth saying. 560 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,880 He wrote. He of course wrote Nightmare Elm 561 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,120 Street 3 and The Fly 2. This is. 562 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,960 The Flyers in the Cronenberg. The Fly Two. 563 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Yes, exactly. He got a screen best adapted 564 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,080 screenplay nomination for Shawshank. 565 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,200 He then wrote Kenneth Branagh's Frankenstein movie with De Niro, 566 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,280 he made The Green Mile, he directed The Majestic with Jim 567 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Carrey, and he directed The Miss in 2007. 568 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,400 That's it. 55 movies and now he's a big TV guy. 569 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,120 I mean, apparently he did uncredited script work on 570 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,400 Collateral Saving Private Ryan, Indiana Jones, King of Crystal 571 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,720 Skull. Now to to be fair to this film, 572 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,320 it it what it has gone for, it is it's super tight. 573 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Yeah, it's very, it's super move. 574 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,560 It moves very well for something that's in one spot. 575 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,160 Good. It's a good work of adaptation. 576 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,000 I mean I I agree no problem with him being nominated for that 577 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,760 Oscar. I think that turning a short or 578 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,000 like I know it's 90 pages, but like turning a novella into a 2 579 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,040 1/2 hour film that feels substantial and moves well is an 580 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,240 incredible skill. If you compare that to say, 581 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,400 small things like these, which is what, 40 pages or something 582 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,160 being turned into an absolute fucking snooze of a screenplay 583 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,760 by Enda Walsh, like there's just no comparison. 584 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720 He has pivoted to television in the last couple years. 585 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,560 Are you aware that he is like, he was the primary creative 586 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,880 directing voice behind The Walking Dead? 587 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,440 He directed the first episode of The Walking Dead and he like, 588 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,920 set the template for it. He got into legal troubles with 589 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,120 the other producers later on. I think they kind of like cut 590 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,320 him off of his slice of the money or whatever. 591 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,280 But he was involved and he directed some episodes of 592 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,160 Stranger Things this past year. Yeah. 593 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,040 Look, I I can see where why he would be picked to do something 594 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,960 that is incredibly popular. Yeah, and. 595 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,080 But why is he not doing like? Is it just that he has money and 596 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,880 he doesn't want to? Why is he not making like a 597 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,120 fucking franchise movie now? Like obviously he the Majestic 598 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,960 flopped and he wasn't allowed to do any more blank checks. 599 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,560 Yeah, fine. Whatever, but but it's weird 600 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000 that he doesn't like if he's gonna do stranger things, surely 601 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920 he'd rather do. Not pretty high up on the list 602 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,800 for just book adaptations. Yeah, exactly. 603 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,720 Like John Crowley doing the Goldfinch, You think he'd be in 604 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,640 the for that? Or like, yeah, I'm interested. 605 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,880 If he's willing to do Stranger Things, would he not be willing 606 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,800 to make, you know, Indiana Jones 5? 607 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,240 Or like some sort of legacy sequel where they can't get the 608 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,680 original guy back. We've got we've got our Prophet 609 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,200 song. Yeah, yeah. 610 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,720 They get us, get us, get they get us. 611 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,600 He should be next on the list after Ridley Scott to do big 612 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,080 book adaptations with. Scale. 613 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,440 Has he done any? Actually, he's not right. 614 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,240 Here. But yeah, these are all intimate 615 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,640 movies. He's never done anything with 616 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,080 like a big, you know, VFX horse. Like, yeah, with a horse, I 617 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,560 don't know, maybe there's a whole horses. 618 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,400 Maybe there's a horse in the mist. 619 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,440 So anyway, Tim Robbins is very much like not a movie star 620 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,800 anymore. But that's OK. 621 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240 That's allowed, but. Again, if you're the lead of the 622 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,160 greatest film of all time, I think that kind of makes you a 623 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,560 movie star forever. He's nowadays he's just sort of 624 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,160 like he's just vibing like he's, he gets to be like 4th build and 625 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,840 a lot of a lot of stuff. He's out out here being left 626 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,960 wing, being divorced from Susan Sarandon. 627 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,040 I really like him. I mean, I think he seems like a 628 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,840 really nice person, but like, I mean, film career is like a 629 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600 little bit all over the place. Yeah, I know. 630 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,960 But they're two big personalities. 631 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,520 I know they're they're they're people who were just like, 632 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,800 there's too much going on with both of them. 633 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,080 They're gonna they're gonna whack off each other eventually. 634 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,800 You forget he's in Top Gun, Top Gun. 635 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160 But he is. This is all in the the build up 636 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,240 to this movie. Like if if if Shawshank was set 637 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760 in the 80s, would someone have a picture of Susan Sarandon on 638 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,360 their on their wall? No, I don't think so. 639 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,320 No, she was never that type. I don't think Susan I think 640 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,640 Susan Sarandon was always a bit too cool to be on the wall of 641 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680 prisoners cells like Pamela Anderson would be there in the 642 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,880 80s. Susan Sarandon is like has 643 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,040 always been like an interesting actress. 644 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,920 I don't think she was ever like pin up material necessarily, 645 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,000 even though everyone is obviously very thirsty for her. 646 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,480 Now there's a film he's in that I haven't seen, which is quite 647 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,960 iconic and I think he's used a lot as like a, it's used as like 648 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,680 a, like a, the title is a is a phrase, which is Jacob's Ladder. 649 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,720 This sounds to me like 1 of the scariest fucking movies ever. 650 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,200 I will never watch this but I know it's like it's very iconic 651 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,120 and he's the lead and the poster is sort of his face going and in 652 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,600 the plot is. After returning home from the 653 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,960 Vietnam War, veteran Jacob struggles to maintain his 654 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,640 sanity. Plagued by hallucinations and 655 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,600 flashbacks, Singer rapidly falls apart as the world and people 656 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,520 around him morph and twist and disturbing images. 657 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,040 His girlfriend and ex-wife try to help. 658 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,680 It's a little avail. Even his chiropractor friend 659 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,640 fails to reach him as he descends into madness. 660 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,920 This sounds so terrifying to me. I've heard people on a number of 661 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,640 occasions reference like that's a bit of a Jacob's Ladder 662 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,040 situation. So it it's definitely iconic, 663 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,240 but I haven't seen it. And when they when they refer to 664 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,040 it as that, do they mean just really scary? 665 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,120 No, no, I think they mean like they're talking about whatever 666 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200 kind of hallucinatory experience. 667 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,840 He appears in Jungle Fever Spike Lee movie as sleazy boss, and 668 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,320 then in 1992 he is Griffin Mill in Robert Allen's The Player. 669 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800 And I will remind you that Griffin Mill is the name of 670 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000 Bryan Cranston's character on the studio. 671 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,720 And maybe they're the same guy, maybe they're not. 672 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,240 Oh, I didn't. I didn't know that. 673 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280 The studio is directly pulling from the player. 674 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,560 The player is Tim Robbins as a studio executive and he every 675 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,680 like I feel like all the directors and actors in it are 676 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,160 kind of playing themselves. It's very much the template for 677 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,560 that show and it's really fun. I really enjoyed it and it's a 678 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,120 really fun movie about like trying to navigate the cynicism 679 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,040 of the film industry making, trying to get some interesting 680 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920 stuff made. There's a bit of Hail Caesar to 681 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,480 it and you know what Thomas Newman did? 682 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080 It was a great score for it. So recommend. 683 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,320 He then directs and stars in a political satire in 1982 called 684 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,200 Bob Roberts, which I really enjoy, where he plays this 685 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080 absolutely ridiculous character. He's a conservative Senate 686 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,600 candidate, I believe, whose whole thing is that he, like, 687 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480 sings folksy songs and plays the guitar. 688 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,080 And he's like, hello, I'm Bob Roberts, and I'm here to say 689 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,360 hello. It's it's framed as a 690 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600 mockumentary. Like it has documentary 691 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,400 aesthetics, but it's really, really fun. 692 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,280 The songs are really funny. And obviously it's like, a 693 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,680 little bit outdated now because it's like, you know, truth is 694 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,400 stranger than fiction. But Alan Rickman is in it as 695 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,600 his, like, campaign manager, and Ray Wise and Giancarlos Posito 696 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,160 are in it. And I thought it was great fun. 697 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,920 I watched it before the last presidential election on the 698 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,720 phone with it. And then 1984. 699 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,560 He stars best performance of his career, without a doubt in the 700 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Coen Brothers Hudsucker Proxy, which I adore. 701 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,280 And he is so, so good in this as the inventor of the hula hoop. 702 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,720 And it just makes such good use of his very silly face. 703 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,520 And it's like proper cartoon shit. 704 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,720 And he's really, really funny in it. 705 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,920 And he gets sacked opposite Paul Newman and Jennifer Jason Lee 706 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,000 and like a whole roster of Cohen's regular guys. 707 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,560 And the Hudsucker Proxy is one of the Cohen's best movies. 708 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,800 I think it's really incredible. You gotta watch it. 709 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,920 Everyone's gotta watch it. It's. 710 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,480 A few gaps in the stage. Yeah, that's the same year as 711 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,640 Shawshank, and then also that year he's in IQ. 712 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,200 What do you watch this? This is the Einstein. 713 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,440 Movie. Oh, this is the Einstein movie. 714 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:25,840 Yeah, yeah. Why? 715 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,760 Don't we talk about this on Fail safe episode? 716 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,520 Because math has science. Yeah, yeah. 717 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,280 Why are we watching this? Just because we thought it was. 718 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520 We honestly watched it because Math how was in it and we were 719 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,680 doing Math how and Tim Robbins was kind of coming down the 720 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,480 tracks, I think. Yeah, both reasons. 721 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,080 And it looked funny. It did look funny. 722 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,640 It was funny. It was kind of an altar in 723 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040 history where like Tim Robbins is recruited Einstein to help 724 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,800 him get a girl. It's pretty funny. 725 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,800 It's like Oppenheimer the wrong. It's shot in the same location 726 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520 as Oppenheimer like that you can match the match the shots. 727 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080 It's pretty funny. He's in one of the only dipamas 728 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120 I haven't seen which is called mission to Mars with Gary Sini, 729 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,400 which looks like absolute dog shit and I I don't think I'm 730 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,360 going to watch it anytime soon, but it exists. 731 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840 And then 2001 Antitrust. Antitrust. 732 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,720 Dropped in antitrust as an example of a computer is a cool 733 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,960 movie 2 weeks ago. Yeah, it very much is. 734 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,200 So it's what is it Ryan Philippe and random woman and they're 735 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,960 working in a I'm sorry. The woman is. 736 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,720 Rachel Lee Cook is it? Yeah, I know. 737 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,960 It's Rachel Lee Cook. Nobody. 738 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,160 Nobody too exciting. Never mind. 739 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320 And they're working for this. It's just like it's. 740 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,640 You may as well call him Bill Gates. 741 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,280 It's a bunch of young coders get recruited by Bill Gates who 742 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,240 wants to build the fucking mono machine. 743 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,320 Yes, that just does all the things he wants to build the 744 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,280 everything app. Yeah, yeah. 745 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,320 He's building acts, the everything. 746 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520 App he wants to do free messages or something online. 747 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,280 We enjoyed this because I think largely we've always thought 748 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,000 that our friend Michael Mcandrew looks like a friend of the show, 749 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,760 looks a bit like Tim Robbins. He's kind of a computer. 750 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,120 Michael is a is a techie man and works in computers companies. 751 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,360 So it's fun that it's fun that he that Tim Robbins did once 752 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,320 play a Michael type, but he's he's evil Bill Gates and he's 753 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,040 like, I'm going to. Control the world as opposed to 754 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,480 what? Yeah, as a as in he's like the 755 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,440 villain of the film. Yeah. 756 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,280 Antitrust. Antitrust. 757 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,520 Does he do anything fun in this? I took took a pretty he he does. 758 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,679 I refer to him as sufficiently hammy in my review. 759 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,400 Yeah, he he. Seems to flip. 760 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,320 He like he's Mr. Nice, Mr. Visionary for a while and then 761 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,120 in private he'll flip and like throw shit. 762 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,320 Yeah. Which I don't know it this, I 763 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,760 kind of stopped watching this after about 35 minutes. 764 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,560 We got all the the main juice out of it. 765 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Yeah, sorry. There's what's what, what's the 766 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600 funny coworker name? That's Stinky or something? 767 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,880 Something like Stinky. Yeah, yeah, that's Stinky. 768 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,560 Over there, Why do they call it that? 769 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,480 Why do they call it that? Funny thing is that obviously 770 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,679 neither of these actors in Shawshank win Oscars for this 771 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,120 film. I don't think Robins is 772 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,040 nominated at. All get any other nominations. 773 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,320 They got screen time. Sorry, I'll I'll, I'll do that 774 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,400 quickly. Awards. 775 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,920 So this film is actually does quite well with the Oscars. 776 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,000 It's nominated for best picture, Morgan Freeman actor, best 777 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040 adapted screenplay, best cinematography, film editing, 778 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,760 sound and original score. I got distracted there when I 779 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,720 was talking about the box office. 780 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,320 It would have been a hit or not, but it did OK at the Oscars. 781 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,360 I I thought this was a real like snubbed across the board. 782 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,880 That's why it has. Such a reputation. 783 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,000 No it well it was snubbed in that it lost but oh sorry, but 784 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,520 it loses. Best Picture to a funny quartet 785 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,560 of films. 4 Weddings at a funeral best picture nominee 786 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,240 yeah Forrest Gump wins yeah Pulp Fiction and quiz show, which is 787 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,520 the pretty. Good iconic line up there. 788 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,480 It is. Quiz Show is probably the odd 789 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,480 one out there. But like, I think people in 790 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,480 hindsight are like, well, Pulp Fiction was snubbed because Pulp 791 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,400 Fiction is the most influential film in the last 40 years. 792 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,080 But like, Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction and Parse Gump 793 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,960 are three of the 10 default movies. 794 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,520 Yeah, like that is, that's them. That is that, Yeah, that is 795 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,280 them. Best director. 796 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,640 He doesn't get nominated though, because for some reason they 797 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,440 nominate, they nominate Zemeckis, Tarantino, Redford, 798 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,280 and then instead of nominating who directed 4 Weddings, Mike 799 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,240 Newell. Yeah, instead of nominating Mike 800 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,320 Newell, they nominate Woody Allen for Bullets Over Broadway. 801 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,320 And instead of nominating Darabont, they nominate Kresov 802 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,680 Koslowski for Three Colours Red, which is hilarious. 803 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,040 Do you know what? Oh, it's. 3 Colours Trilogy 804 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very iconic. 3 colours, 805 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,840 white, blue and red. But it's funny they nominate him 806 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,520 for like the third one. Tom Hanks wins his second best 807 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,360 actor in a row which is so stupid. 808 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,320 He should have won for Philadelphia 100% and then he 809 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080 should have lost this one. Now Paul Newman's nominated 810 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,000 Travolta is nominated for Pulp Fiction, Nigel Hawthorne and 811 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,560 Freeman. Travolta got a lead nomination. 812 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,320 He got a lead nomination and Jackson got a supporting 813 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,720 nomination and Thurman got a supporting actress nomination. 814 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,720 I, I would have like, I don't think John Travolta deserved to 815 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,320 win best lead actor for Pulp Fiction. 816 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,840 That's a good performance, but that's like ridiculous. 817 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,360 He's not the lead. And I guess he's just in the 818 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,360 most sequences. I'm very comfortable. 819 00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,640 He's the biggest name at the time. 820 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,280 Yeah, I'm very comfortable with John Travolta not having an 821 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,840 Oscar, I think. I don't think he's a good actor, 822 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,960 So sure, I think that's fine. He's he's been rewarded enough 823 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,760 if they. Wanted to give him one now, like 824 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,600 fine, it would be kind of funny to watch him get one, but like 825 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,680 if it was between him and you know, Richard Gere from that 826 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,440 era, like I would be on. I've heard of the juicer 827 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,800 interest to try, and I don't think so. 828 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,240 But yeah, Morgan Freeman loses to Tom Hanks anyway. 829 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,960 So 10 years later, on consecutive years, Tim Robbins 830 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,840 wins Best Supporting Actor in 2003 and Morgan Freeman wins 831 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960 Best Supporting Actor in 2004, and it feels as though those are 832 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,080 just like, well, enough time has passed. 833 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,960 We've got to admit the Shawshank Redemption, one hell of a 834 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,960 picture here, have an Oscar reach. 835 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,920 So he wins. Tim wins for Mystic River, which 836 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,960 is this the Eastwood movie where Sean Penn's daughter gets 837 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,000 murdered and he screams so much that he, according to my TikTok 838 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,960 feed, needed an oxygen tank after filming the scene I don't 839 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,560 think. Oh, that's a ridiculous. 840 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,920 Scene I don't think Mystic River is good. 841 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,200 I watched it, it is so miserable. 842 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,760 Absolutely. Like just not no joy in Sean. 843 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,920 Penn the leader, that is. Eastwood. 844 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,840 Sean Penn's the leader. Oh, Eastwood's not in Sean Penn, 845 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,760 the lead, and Tim Robbins is the killer. 846 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,800 And Tim Robbins back story is that he was abducted and abused 847 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,640 as a child for in a week and now he's all fucked up because of it 848 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,280 and he's like, I killed your daughter. 849 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,280 It is not good and Tim Robbins is not very good in it. 850 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,240 But anyway, what does he do with his new Oscar pedigree? 851 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:25,400 Well, he shows up for 20 minutes in War of the Worlds down in the 852 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,520 basement. Yeah, it's where it goes. 853 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,520 It's a big Spielberg conversation. 854 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,000 He's good and scary in it. Yeah. 855 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,720 And Morgan Freeman's in it too, is the narrator. 856 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,680 Oh, he is. He's in Zahora, which we 857 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,760 discussed on our Kristen Stewart episode last week. 858 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,680 And then he's in a movie that I watched, Fuchsko, which I liked 859 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,080 a lot, which is The Secret Life of Words, which is an Isabel 860 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,440 quick set movie with Sarah Polley, who's a a young nurse 861 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,280 with like, I don't know, an Eastern European accent. 862 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,320 And she goes out to an oil rig for a job and he's the only 863 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,880 woman on the oil rig. And Tim Robbins is like a burn 864 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,040 survivor and she has to look after him. 865 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,640 And I question. Is he visibly well? 866 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,480 He's burning burns on his. Face, he doesn't look that 867 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,480 crazy. I think he's lost his sight for 868 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,840 a while or something. She basically is like caring for 869 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,600 him at the side of his bed and they develop a romance and and 870 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,280 then he comes and finds at the end of the movie. 871 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,760 I thought it was nice. I thought it was like a nice two 872 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,440 really talented actors just kind of like bouncing off each other. 873 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,320 I, I, I enjoyed it a lot. I'm, I'm really in a good Sarah 874 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,400 Polly phase recently. So anything she's in doing a 875 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,440 funny accent. I'm into it. 876 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,360 And then he's in this like weird. 877 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,360 What we watched this like South African movie catch a fire where 878 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,000 he plays some sort of like apartheid era FBI guy. 879 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,520 Not a lot of real movies here. There's a Nicholas Sparks like 880 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,360 military thing called the lucky ones. 881 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,080 He's like the mayor in the city of Ember. 882 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,240 And then he plays the senator in Green Lantern, who is the father 883 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,880 of Peter Sarsgaard's character. I think this is the first thing 884 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,720 I ever saw him in actually. And he's terrible in it. 885 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,920 And then there's a movie called Thanks for sharing where Mark 886 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,120 Ruffalo plays a sex addict and he's in like a, a meeting with 887 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,640 all these other addicts, but they're all addicted to 888 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,560 different things like, and Tim Robbins is, is, is is like an 889 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,120 alcoholic. But the the the the most 890 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,000 important element of this movie is that Josh Gad plays an 891 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,480 absolute. Horrible sexual deviant in this 892 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,400 film and the film treats it as like a joke and treats him as 893 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,320 like as like a fun guy. Like in the. 1st 10 minutes he 894 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,400 has shown sexually assaulting a woman on public transport by 895 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,800 like rubbing his groin up against her. 896 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,640 And then we're just meant to laugh it off and for the rest of 897 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,520 the movie we'd be like, he's got problems. 898 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,800 What a guy. He should be in jail. 899 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,640 That's Josh. And I hate Josh Gad anyway, but 900 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,440 he should be in prison. And Tim Robbins never really 901 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,560 makes a real movie again. And there's a lot of stuff on 902 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,680 here that simply does not exist. And I would argue the only film 903 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,520 post twenty 10s that are like post 2000s that has any kind of 904 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,360 cultural presence is Dark Waters with Ruffalo, which is great. 905 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,480 Obviously Todd hates movie and he's very good in that as like 906 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,720 the evil businessman. Although I'm getting mixed up 907 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,440 because I know like Victor Garber and Bill Pullman are in 908 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,960 it too and I'm getting them all mixed up in my head. 909 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,360 But he is good enough. But like he just doesn't make 910 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,840 films anymore. And what he did do was he went 911 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,840 to TV and he did 2 HBO shows in the space of a few years, both 912 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,680 of which I watched. The first one was a kind of 913 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,880 Doctor Strangelove fail safe type thing called The Brink with 914 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,640 him. And Jack Black as and he was 915 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,400 the. Oh God, sorry, yes, I know this 916 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,480 one. What is? 917 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,400 This 20, this was 2015. It's that reason. 918 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,960 It was on the same time as True Detective. 919 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,480 Season yeah, it was we watched the first episode. 920 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,640 It was completely flat, like absolutely nothing. 921 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,640 I. Think we watched about 30 922 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,440 seconds maybe, but it's it's him and he's in the situation room 923 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,920 and whatever. And then he did the show in 924 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:44,680 2018, which I enjoyed, which was an Alan Ball show called Here 925 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,560 and Now where him and Holly Hunter played the parents of a 926 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,200 mixed culture adoptive family with kids from all over. 927 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,440 Like they have like 4 kids. One of them is a biological 928 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,080 child, one of them is from Asia, one of them is black, one of 929 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,520 them is somewhere else. And it's about like what a mixed 930 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,000 family would be like. And he plays. 931 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:07,840 It's a very interesting late stage Obama era, kind of new 932 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,080 woke America thing. I think it's interesting as a 933 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,240 cultural relic. And he plays a philosophy 934 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,680 professor who pulls out a gun in class and gets suspended and 935 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,760 he's having fun on it. And that's kind of the last new 936 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,920 thing I saw. Tim Robinson. 937 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,200 So his career seems to be completely flatlining and I 938 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,320 don't know what's going to happen there. 939 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,560 I don't know he's going to get pulled out of retirement and and 940 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,480 fucking given an amazing role. Doesn't seem like it. 941 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:30,920 They might rock him out at the Oscars. 942 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,200 Is one of the five to present one? 943 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,800 Like have they done that? Yeah, they did do that. 944 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,400 They did. He definitely did that in 2009, 945 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,080 I think. I can't remember who he 946 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,200 presented to, but he definitely did. 947 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,960 He's a man who will probably be live for 20 years, so. 948 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,640 He will he's look, he's an Oscar nominee or sorry, he's an Oscar 949 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,680 winner. He he obviously is well known 950 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,720 face. He's the star of the toxic 951 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,920 redemption. I think he's simply too left 952 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,040 wing for his own good in terms of getting work. 953 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,240 Like if you're going to going to be as outspokenly left wing as 954 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,400 him, you've got to have Mark Ruffalo's level of talent and 955 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,600 personality to and have your right hand. 956 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,480 Together doesn't necessarily strike me as the James Spader 957 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,320 type who simply cannot stop working because he needs to 958 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,520 maintain his life. Exactly. 959 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400 I think he's probably happy enough not making loads and 960 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,000 loads of money. He's probably he probably got 961 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,720 enough money for doing the Green Lantern and The Brink that he's 962 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,080 happy waiting around for Todd Haynes to write him a script. 963 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,000 Sure, he pops up on SNL and stuff this anniversary episode. 964 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,240 Playing play presidents or something, I don't. 965 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,720 Think he does, but he's in that world. 966 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,560 I don't know, maybe there's something I'm forgetting about 967 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,480 here. I just know he's like an 968 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,160 environmentalist. He's a cool guy anyway. 969 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,960 Tim Robbins for probably the third time. 970 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,240 We are going to half our Smorgan Freemans career not spending 971 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,840 more than 3 minutes. Third time we're doing. 972 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,200 Well, we never really committed to talking about him before and. 973 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,320 The third guy twice. We skimmed him in $1,000,000, 974 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,400 baby, and we skimmed him in Las Vegas. 975 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,240 Yeah, we're going to skim him again now because he's made too 976 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,760 many movies. But I'll tell you, we'll talk 977 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,840 about the films in which he is the lead, because that's a 978 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,040 slightly smaller faction. Obviously, everyone knows Morgan 979 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,880 Freeman from the supporting roles he delivers in The Dark 980 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,200 Knight. Like the the other, the other 981 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,440 niche of Morgan Freeman speak about is just him as the 982 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,160 narrator of the. Film, yes, His voice as a 983 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,560 narrator has become such a cliche. 984 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,800 Now he's. Essentially doing the same thing 985 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,480 in Million Dollar Baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 986 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,640 And now. But now and then he does it 987 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,200 again and meet March the 1st Penguins. 988 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,720 Yeah. And then it becomes like 989 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,960 completely cultural osmosis that like Morgan Freeman's voice is 990 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,800 the definitive voice you would want. 991 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,080 As a narrator. And I believe there is now some 992 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,520 sort of AI bullshit app. Is he in? 993 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,000 One of the Bruce, yeah, he's gone. 994 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,200 And Bruce Almighty, he's. Got both both of the. 995 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,880 Almighties. Umm, yeah, like he like he 996 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,440 became Chuck Norris level Yeah of. 997 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,440 Mimi. Yeah. 998 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,520 And he became the the, the sort of closest thing to like the 999 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,920 physical presence of God in movies you can have. 1000 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,640 He's good. Like, he's a good actor. 1001 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,640 And no strong things on Morgan Freeman. 1002 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,920 I did tell you, like, if he dies, my reaction is probably 1003 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,800 going to be muted relative to everybody else, relative to all 1004 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,560 the other old actors who die around us. 1005 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,920 You know, like when Morgan Freeman dies, I don't think I'm 1006 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,360 going to be like, no, Morgan Freeman, I loved your work. 1007 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,040 He's just sort of there and he's good. 1008 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,920 But again, he is reached to everyone in that he's got, Oh 1009 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,680 yeah, everyone who thinks this is a graceful of all time. 1010 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,600 Everybody thinks the dark dies, the graceful them all time. 1011 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,320 All the kids who liked the almighty films. 1012 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,840 Yes, everyone who's interested in in Penguin lifestyles and all 1013 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,800 of the fucking Invictus heads. Yeah, you got everybody in 1014 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,120 there. Yeah, all the all the history 1015 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,280 buffs who like Mandela. Yeah, and then like old dying 1016 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,240 people who love the bucket list, he really got the ball. 1017 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:35,440 He got them all. But his lead roles are kind of 1018 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,160 like, there's a couple of big ones, but like 7, he is the 1019 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,360 lead. I think he narrates that as 1020 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,680 well. He does. 7 is you. 1021 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,360 Need a quirky young white guy beside him? 1022 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,640 Too 7 is brilliant and he's he's really good in seven. 1023 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,000 I think that's his best performance. 1024 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,640 Invictus is fine. He plays fucking Mandela. 1025 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,640 Like what are you going to do there? 1026 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,120 Of course Morgan Freeman was going to play. 1027 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,640 We we did. Watch Invictus with the 1028 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,360 intention of doing an episode on it once and we kind. 1029 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,320 Of yeah, and then our guest bailed and didn't want to do it, 1030 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,760 so we're now never going to do it. 1031 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,280 We've done enough. Scheduling. 1032 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,840 Conflict. We've done enough Matt Damon 1033 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,160 movies to not be doing Invictus. Although I will say we have a 1034 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,360 degree. We have 1° of removal from the 1035 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,400 son of the real guy. Oh, we do. 1036 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,240 We do. So in a world where we could get 1037 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,120 him to be the guest, the real guy or the son, we might do 1038 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,040 Invictus. I put on Driving Miss Daisy the 1039 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,320 other day, intending to watch it for this episode. 1040 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,000 OK. And it was so bad I turned it 1041 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,160 off. I thought it was going to be 1042 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,120 like Green Book or The Help or one of these like white savior 1043 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,320 movies that I kind of like. It's a bit lighthearted, kind 1044 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,920 of. It was just like, it was like 1045 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,960 incoherent. It was just not interesting at 1046 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,440 all. Is it Dan Aykroyd arguing with 1047 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,800 his mother about her finances? It was so boring. 1048 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,560 I might finish it someday. I'll probably try and watch 1049 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,880 every Best Picture winner in my lifetime, but interesting that 1050 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,240 he did that like 5 years before this and then he's in a bunch of 1051 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,720 these like Ashley Judd, Ashley Judd adjacent thrillers and 1052 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,880 serial killer movies. Kiss the girls, Along Came a 1053 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,120 spider. He does all of these. 1054 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,680 It's kind of. They alternate between him and 1055 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,480 Tommy Lee Jones throughout the 90s as like the male detective 1056 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,640 in AI. Think he's playing Alex Cross in 1057 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,400 some of these, though. And Alex Cross was later played 1058 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,800 by Tyler Perry. And then yeah, I mean, that's 1059 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,520 kind of this is kind of his his lead roles. 1060 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,280 This is kind of it. Like he's kind of the lead of of 1061 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,800 Amistad, the Spielberg slavery movie and. 1062 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,520 Then he's just kind of a. Perpetual second and third guy. 1063 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,040 Has he ever gone into TV or is he? 1064 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,000 Yeah, he's in that show. Light ass was always so bad. 1065 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,760 Oh yeah, I did watch. I watched one other movie in 1066 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,840 preparation for this and it was a a Brad Silverlink film called 1067 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,760 10 Items or Less. And it is a film where Morgan 1068 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,760 Freeman plays himself, more or less. 1069 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,960 They never say you're Morgan Freeman, but he's like, I'm a 1070 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,520 famous actor and they never name him. 1071 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,120 And he goes to do research for a role where he's playing a 1072 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,880 supermarket worker by hanging out in a supermarket all day 1073 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,080 with Paz Vega. And that is the whole movie. 1074 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,640 And it is so boring. And it is just him walking 1075 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480 around the supermarket like, and what do you do with the, what do 1076 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,200 you do with the, the labels of the shelf? 1077 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,960 And she's like, oh, my husband is leaving me. 1078 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,000 It's it's dreadful. Really, really, really bad. 1079 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,880 Yeah. I mean, he just got this funny. 1080 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,760 He's slotted into stuff. I'm looking at this poster for 1081 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,640 Oblivion, where it's like Cruz and then like Morgan Freeman to 1082 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,560 the left. It's exactly how Lawrence 1083 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,000 Fishburne was placed on the poster for the The Amateur. 1084 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,360 Why do you need to put Morgan Freeman on the poster of 1085 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,880 Oblivion? Tom Cruise is enough to sell. 1086 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,360 That this was Tom Cruise at his at his lowest? 1087 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,760 I think so. They really felt they needed 1088 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,320 Morgan Freeman to bring a few more Tom. 1089 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,720 Cruise came to Ireland to promote. 1090 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:32,280 This I know. That's how. 1091 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,480 That's pretty. Well, so that's pretty well. 1092 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,040 I just. Feel like Morgan Freeman isn't a 1093 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,240 value add on a movie like that. I think I think he might be you. 1094 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,800 Think he is? You think people see a poster 1095 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,560 for a Tom Cruise movie? Tom Cruise? 1096 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,000 Scientologist. Don't worry. 1097 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,480 Like he gives me the creeps. Morgan Freeman. 1098 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,920 Oh, this will be good. Mr. Face of Christianity like 1099 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,280 yeah, neutralizes Morgan. Freeman is the Facebook of 1100 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,000 actors like. He's. 100% We also must mention 1101 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,440 there are accusations of him doing bad things. 1102 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,880 Everybody decided to just move on. 1103 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,360 From quickly. I put him in the same category 1104 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,600 as Dustin Hoffman, where people were just like, I think he's too 1105 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,680 old to do anything about it now, but work dried up for Dustin. 1106 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,880 What do you wanna do? Make him retire. 1107 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,280 Yeah, work dried up for Dustin Hoffman. 1108 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,960 I don't think work dried up for Morgan Freeman. 1109 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,840 I think. I think he's still popping up 1110 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,360 at. Yeah, yeah. 1111 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,360 He's not not, not a not a nice guy. 1112 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,440 I. Don't think he's a nice guy when 1113 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,160 he shows up in Now You See Me Now You Don't, though. 1114 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,240 It's very funny. They like they they go into like 1115 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,600 a House of traps. And he's in now you see me, 1116 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,640 isn't he? They's in all of them, yeah. 1117 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,880 But they get to the final thing and it's and it's like, it's 1118 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,920 like, thank you for coming. And Morgan Freeman steps out of 1119 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,080 the shadows and like this enormous hat. 1120 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,080 And you're just like. What? 1121 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,920 And I realized in that moment that I hadn't actually seen him 1122 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,000 in a cinema in about 7 years, that he had kind of like the 1123 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,800 work had started to slow down a bit. 1124 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,960 And I was like, yeah, it's nice to see him. 1125 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,720 So there you go. Letterbox top four-game, but 1126 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,680 first time ever that two actors we've covered on this show have 1127 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,360 named this in the Letterbox top 4, Amy Adams and Zach 1128 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,640 Galifianakis. However, I don't want to do 1129 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,920 either of their top fours. No, I would like to do John 1130 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,800 Cena's top 4. So John Cena has Shawshank 1131 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,560 Redemption in his top four films on Letterboxed. 1132 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,160 This is a real fucking. That's a That's an interesting 1133 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,360 one. This is a bit of a John Cena top 1134 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,480 four. Like it's, it's like he's. 1135 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,920 Someone who likes to try and take himself somewhat seriously. 1136 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,640 I would say this is the list of someone who likes to take 1137 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,640 themselves somewhat seriously. Yeah. 1138 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,120 Relative to where? These are 4 movies in the IMDb 1139 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,080 top 10 most popular. Film at all? 1140 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,320 Yeah. So more or less so Shawshank is 1141 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,160 #1 #2. The Godfather. 1142 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,120 No #2 is a beloved science fiction 90s science fiction 1143 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,400 movie with a bunch of sequels that I really don't care for. 1144 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,680 Terminator no later. Later, a bit bit bit sexier 1145 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:54,840 like. Sexier. 1146 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,880 Very iconic cool sunglasses. I'm not a fad. 1147 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:04,160 Matrix, The Matrix, The matrix #3 it's a war movie for boys. 1148 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,480 It's just another version of Shawshank Saving Private Ryan. 1149 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,400 Saving Private Ryan, Saving for Ryan and Shawshank are kind of 1150 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,280 two sides. I think so. 1151 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,560 And then 4th it's the most famous movie ever. 1152 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,680 The. Godfather. 1153 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,280 No more the most famous movie ever, little twat. 1154 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,440 No, but the more famous? Just little little children with 1155 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,080 backpacks the world over. What is the most famous thing in 1156 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,160 culture? The most famous? 1157 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,400 Thing in what is like the the dominant intellectual property. 1158 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,440 Harry Potter. No more. 1159 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,280 What is the most dominant? Bible. 1160 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,760 No, no less than the Bible. Star Wars. 1161 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,280 Oh, sorry I I I threw me off with. 1162 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,760 Kids and backpacks there. I was sorry. 1163 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,400 That's kids are fucking Grogu. Oh yes, he is coming. 1164 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,360 Grogu. Sure, sure. 1165 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,480 I thought there I was. Grogu's coming to the house 1166 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,160 right there. You better. 1167 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,640 You better fucking put some shit away before he starts knocking 1168 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,440 things over. Don't fuck Grogu. 1169 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,200 Yeah, I'm here. OK? 1170 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,360 I'm leaving. I'm going for a walk when he 1171 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,600 comes. You'll have to take him for a 1172 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,640 walk. He needs to be walked like a 1173 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,840 dog. You're reminded of the. 1174 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,440 This joke has run its course. Why were we doing that joke? 1175 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,120 I don't, I don't know, I don't know a little boost the list, 1176 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,920 the SEO if I put Grogu in the episode. 1177 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320 Yeah, we'll do a video clip. Of this week, Lucy and Shane 1178 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,280 discuss Grogu can. We paste Grogu on to the MTR. 1179 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,840 I'm sure there's 180 streams guaranteed. 1180 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,600 OK, give me that box office now. Yeah, for the weekend. 1181 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,640 For the weekend, I think 9490. 4 September 23rd. 1182 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,520 This came out in September. Wow. 1183 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,920 It's a September movie. It's it's autumnal. 1184 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,600 I don't know, in spite of being year round. 1185 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,760 September is kind of was like a dumpy. 1186 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:34,840 Do they do? Christmas in this. 1187 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,960 Do they do Christmas? No, I don't think. 1188 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,800 I think these guys have no idea what day of the week it is. 1189 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,520 OK, I don't know. I I can't imagine they know when 1190 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680 it's Christmas. Usually these time films drop a 1191 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,480 Christmas and. They're right. 1192 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,080 They do. Happy Christmas, Red. 1193 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,800 Yeah. Happy Christmas, Andy. 1194 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,840 All right, we're at the Peter Hyams film. 1195 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,000 I know the name Peter Hyams, but no, I'm going to need more 1196 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,920 information there. This is a sorry, is this number 1197 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,280 one, Josh? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. 1198 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,360 I think this got a limited release. 1199 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,440 OK. So I think it's not like 700,000 1200 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,320 this weekend. OK, OK. 1201 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,600 So Peter Hyams. God, I'll leave some clues there 1202 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,400 now. This is a job. 1203 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,080 OK, so what's the common job people have? 1204 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,160 The plumber? A job where they give you a gun. 1205 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,600 The secret agent, The spy? No simpler a cop. 1206 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,040 I'm a police. What type of cop? 1207 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,760 I'm a SWAT cop. I'm a detective cop. 1208 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,240 No. What is the name of the movie? 1209 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,760 Like what is it a something? No, it's it's one word, but cop 1210 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,480 is the last three letters. Kindergarten cop. 1211 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,600 No type cop RoboCop. Type cop, Time cop Who's it Time 1212 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,920 cop Venom sleeve. Stupid. 1213 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:43,680 OK. Yeah. 1214 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,280 Jean Faude. Mia Sara. 1215 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,280 Ron Silver. Yeah. 1216 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,200 Mia Sara Killian Byrne Favorite. Yeah. 1217 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,240 All right. Next up, this is the phrase used 1218 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,200 to describe when you cannot fall any faster. 1219 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,400 You maximum multitude maximum. Close. 1220 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,400 Velocity. Close Maximum velocity. 1221 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,080 Total velocity. You just. 1222 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,960 Word velocity is in there. Yeah, velocity is the second 1223 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,400 word. I don't know. 1224 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,240 Tell me. Terminal. 1225 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,840 Velocity. Oh yeah, there's a, there's a 1226 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,080 Rebecca Miller movie called Personal Velocity. 1227 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,200 Personal Velocity, Yeah, I think that's what it's called anyway. 1228 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,160 All right. And Darren Safarian. 1229 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,160 Nah. Fake movie. 1230 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,280 Charlie Sheen. Oh Christ. 1231 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,360 Yeah, the ladies were rough. Next up, our BP of the the 1232 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,440 winner the year on our boy party, but our best picture. 1233 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,680 Yeah, Forest, Forest. Yep #4 is also nominated for 1234 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,720 Best picture this year. Pulp Fiction. 1235 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,720 Nope. Quiz show? 1236 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,440 Yep cool, pretty good Dodge autoro and ray fines. 1237 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,720 Yeah. All right. 1238 00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:53,160 Next up is would be coming up a bit easier if yeah, Letterbox 1239 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,560 search was a bit more forgiving. But this is a film we have 1240 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,560 probably mentioned on one of our episodes. 1241 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,720 Maybe, I don't know, Phillip Noyce. 1242 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,960 I've been thinking about him recently, I don't know what it 1243 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,960 is though. Truth needs a soldier. 1244 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,400 I don't know. The poster is the lead actor 1245 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,520 wrapped in an American flag. He's in black and white, but the 1246 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,840 flag is. Is he has a Ford? 1247 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,480 He is Patriot Games. Nope. 1248 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,680 Clear presentation, correct. Yeah. 1249 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,560 Jack Riot, that is a cool poster. 1250 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,320 I actually like that poster, I guess. 1251 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,200 Yeah, one more. One more and then I'll wrap off 1252 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,720 glass. Oh, we got a a bald man on the 1253 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,120 poster. Is it Bruce? 1254 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,760 No, it this kind of looks like the Almost Famous poster a 1255 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,840 little bit. So it's just a guy with 1256 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,680 sunglasses close up. I have absolute It's not the 1257 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,160 people versus Larry Flint. Nope, I have absolutely no idea 1258 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,560 what this could. Be Robert Downey Junior is third 1259 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,160 build. I have absolutely no idea what 1260 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,640 Tommy Lee Jones. 4th build. No idea. 1261 00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:00,120 This is a film by Oliver Stone. So it's Natural Born Killers. 1262 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,520 Yeah. Sorry. 1263 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,200 I actually like, I, I guessed Woody Harrelson. 1264 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,520 I guessed People versus Larry. I knew it was Woody Harrelson, 1265 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,880 but it's a different Larry. Woody Harrelson. 1266 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,320 Oh, yeah, It's Natural Born Killers. 1267 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,160 Yeah. That's funny. 1268 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,080 OK. And round and out the rest of 1269 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,840 the top 10, seven. We had the mask, then Milk, 1270 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,960 Money, True Lies and Karina. Karina or Karna? 1271 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,680 Yeah. So the mask was out. 1272 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,200 So this was this was the big Jim Carrey year where he did Dumb 1273 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,560 and Dumber, Ace Ventura and the mask. 1274 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,360 And we will be returning to this year next week. 1275 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200 Yeah, when we do dumb. And Dumber couple other films on 1276 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,560 the list here. Speed. 1277 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,840 Shawshank Shinners List. Jurassic Park. 1278 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,360 All the s s. All the s s. 1279 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,800 There you go, there you go. Thanks so much for shooting in 1280 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,760 everybody to our Shawshank Redemption episode. 1281 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,920 We hope we didn't shit all over your favorite movie. 1282 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,240 If you are a man in your 60s, you probably. 1283 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:45,600 Morgan Freeman was top build on this. 1284 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,280 No, I don't think so. No, But like they put him in for 1285 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,840 the Oscars, so who cares? Who cares? 1286 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,600 You're right, though. This is this is this is a case 1287 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,720 where I'm like, we should talk about the billing on a yeah 1288 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,960 podcast where we nominally are interested in billing. 1289 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,480 I think Robbins is first build. I'd say it was fairly fucking 1290 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,320 interchangeable at the time. Who was first and. 1291 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,120 Who was trying to think where the status was at the? 1292 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,920 Time. I would honestly say that race 1293 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,440 probably did play into it a little bit. 1294 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,040 I don't know how much leverage Morgan Freeman ever had to be 1295 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,800 like. If they if they having a night 1296 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,080 away from devil was proud of two yeah. 1297 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,120 If they did Shawshank Redemption, two yeah. 1298 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,920 Who you who you call them top build. 1299 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,560 Think Morgan Freeman would be top build? 1300 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,960 No, I think that the standard for legacy equals is generally 1301 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,880 that repeat. They repeat the original, 1302 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,800 original top two. I've seen very few cases where 1303 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,720 that's not the case. The Avatar movies interesting 1304 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,880 example. Zoe Saldania becomes a much 1305 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,200 bigger star than Sam Worthington. 1306 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,920 So what they do is instead of putting her first, they do split 1307 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,760 bottom left, top right for the two of them now on the Avatar 1308 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,920 movies, which is interesting. But if you look at the billing 1309 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,120 on the poster where it's actually in like an order where 1310 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,640 the pencil comes first, OK, which is interesting. 1311 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,240 I guess Jake is still kind of the main character in those 1312 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,200 films. But he is. 1313 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,000 Like he's a narrator so oh the third one, he was the narrator. 1314 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,480 The kid was anyway. Doesn't matter. 1315 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,560 Shawshank Redemption double #2 next week. 1316 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,320 Some things you can check out right now. 1317 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,400 You can listen to our Devil Wears Prada 2 bonus episode till 1318 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,400 Saturday, which is good fun because we liked it. 1319 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,320 We liked it and we like Devil. Wears Prada. 1320 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,120 We talk very well. Wears Prada 2 is a better film 1321 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,920 than Shawshank Redemption. It is, it is. 1322 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,160 You can listen to the most recent episode of my spin off 1323 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,960 podcast, City Sickos, where myself and Hannah Friedel talk 1324 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,280 about the movie Blue Jasmine and the movie Veronica Guerin as a 1325 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,560 San Francisco at Dublin movie starring Kate Botchet. 1326 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,440 And we'll be back next week. Thank you so much for tuning in. 1327 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,520 Bye bye. Goodbye.