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Hello and welcome to series 2 of
The Water Rd, the podcast where 

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we travel the canals and rivers 
of England and Wales, finding 

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interesting stories, history and
people along the way. 

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In this episode I'll be 
introducing you to our new boat 

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and chatting to the boat builder
and the man from Waterways World

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magazine who reviewed it. 
Well, if you listen to series 1,

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thank you for coming back. 
If you're just finding us, let 

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me quickly tell you that all 
episodes from series one are 

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still available to listen to 
wherever you get your podcasts 

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from. 
Now, I'd love to be able to tell

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you what's coming up in this 
series, but the truth is, I 

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don't yet know. 
It just depends on where we go, 

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what's going on and who we bump 
into. 

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But a lot has happened over the 
past few months, including 

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selling our previous boat and 
moving on to a brand new one. 

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You might remember that we spoke
to Tim Tyler, the Shell builder,

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near the start of Series One. 
Well, over the summer and autumn

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the boat was fitted out. 
In many ways it's very similar 

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to the old one. 
It's still 58 1/2 feet long and 

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still a trad stern. 
But the big change is that this 

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boat is a hybrid drive with both
diesel and electric propulsion. 

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So while it can sound like this,
it will mostly sound like this. 

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And that means that when you're 
moving along, what you'll mostly

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hear is this. 
I've come back to Ray Bar where 

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our boat was built, and I'm with
James Atwood, known to everyone 

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as Jam. 
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Jam is how does someone get into
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What did you have a life before 
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I did, yeah. 
It was a it's a long story, but 

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I'll try and keep it as short as
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Friend of mine, Martin Baker AKA
Spud was building boats and then

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he got into building boats using
reclaimed Timbers, needed a hand

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on finishing a boat called Pyrus
off because he wanted it to go 

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to quick show. 
I stopped my work at the time 

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which was I specialised in solid
wood flooring. 

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I was doing that for quite some 
years, doing very well out of 

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it, earning good money and then 
I must have had a bang on the 

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head somewhere to to go over to 
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But I helped him out finishing 
that boat so it could go to 

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Crick and we did really well off
the back of that and then ended 

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up getting in at Hayford Fields 
Marina in a brand new unit and 

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it all sort of started from that
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So then you worked for Hayford 
Fields themselves building boats

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as well, didn't you? 
Spud didn't stay there very 

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long, didn't see eye to eye with
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carried on boat building 
elsewhere, different yards. 

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And I stayed back at Hayford 
Fields and Shay took me on to do

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all the carpentry work on the 
boats in the Marina. 

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And then he ended up buying a 
shell from, it was a Reeve 

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shell. 
It was brand new, but it had 

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been sitting in the field I 
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So it was probably a customer's 
that had it built, never paid, I

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don't know, but he bought that 
for me and let me do one of my 

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fit outs on that. 
Whatever I wanted in between 

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doing the carpentry work on 
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It was it was kind of shade to 
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rolling really. 
And since then, you've built a 

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lot of boats. 
I built a few, yeah. 

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So that was that boat ended up 
being called Midnight Trace. 

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We sold that or Shay sold it, 
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And it went to Crick, actually 
went into Crick. 

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That was never the intention. 
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happened. 
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Gary and Dave from Boating 
Leisure Services came and joined

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us at Haferfield's Marina. 
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short is I went in as a third 
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So that's where the that's where
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from. 
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Braidbart and you're building 
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here, aren't? 
You the sweet number is 33 

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stroke 4, so we've always got 3 
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different stages. 
We build 7A year, so yeah, it's 

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they take about seven months to 
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And there's quite a lot of 
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I mean, we've obviously just 
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and you, you get the empty shell
in usually from Tim who we spoke

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to in the last series of the 
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And then there's a lot of stuff 
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isn't there, behind the skin, as
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There is an awful lot that goes 
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Yeah, I mean we, we get the, as 
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from Tim Tyler and the guys down
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I think they've probably built 
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But yeah, we get it in bare 
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cutouts already in as as from 
the plan that goes to Tim and 

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then we do the rest. 
We do absolutely everything else

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apart from the spray foaming. 
Obviously we get a company in to

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do that. 
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ballasting to batten in before 
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All the deck fittings have got 
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place, mushroom vent cutouts. 
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wiring, which is a lot, quite a 
lot to do, especially in the 

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modern boats with the with the 
tech and the things I've got on 

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1st fix plumbing lining it out. 
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So there's an awful lot that 
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change. 
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braid bar trademarks, isn't it? 
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really. 
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You walk on any boat and the 
most thing you see is the is the

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timber and the actual fit out of
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So it's very important. 
Yeah, it is what I do, it's what

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I enjoy doing. 
But there's, including myself, 

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there's four carpenters here 
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Yeah, it's a lot of work 
involved, but we all love what 

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we do. 
And it's a very neat little yard

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here. 
You've got the the arm off the 

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canal and then you've got a 
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shop Is there's, there's a lot 
going on, isn't there? 

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Yeah. 
So we've got the main workshop, 

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which is the woodworking shop 
that's got the three big work 

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benches in and we store all our 
timber and stock stuff in there.

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That's where everything pretty 
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Then next to that we've got the 
engineering shop with Jonathan 

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and Darren, electrics and 
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Then the other side we've got 
the varnish room where a lot of 

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stuff gets varnished in that 
when it's pre made so we we can 

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build it in a workshop, certain 
cabinets and overheads and 

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things that goes in there and 
gets varnished before it's 

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fitted on the boat. 
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has to be done on the boat and 
then we've got the paint May 

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where we float the boats in. 
It's all undercover, all heated 

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and moisture controlled and 
that's where Johnny can actually

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get the paint on the boats. 
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World is with us today and 
you're writing a boat review of 

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this boat. 
And you've been writing the boat

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reviews for quite a long time, 
haven't you? 

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So what do you look for when 
you're considering what boats to

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review? 
So we look at boats that are 

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from either established boat 
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usual to see how they're 
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but also from new boat builders 
as well to actually see what's 

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coming onto the market and how 
different takes from different 

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people are coming through. 
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prices. 
So we don't always look at 

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expensive boats. 
We want to look at the cheaper 

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end of the market. 
We want bespoke boats, we want 

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to take off the shelf boats, we 
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Because this is one of the 
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industry, isn't it, That almost 
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It is. 
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boats there's always going to be
that tweaking indifference that 

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people ask. 
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gets down to a used boat 5-10 
years down the line, it's often 

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quite different from what it 
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So what sort of changes have you
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industry in the years you've 
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So it often seems now that 
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the interior than the boat 
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So many years ago it would have 
been very much waterways 

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enthusiasts buying boats. 
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performance of the boat. 
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modest, well built, robust but 
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And now it's more the other end 
of the spectrum where we have 

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people who have really high tech
interiors, but sometimes that's 

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based on shells that maybe not 
the best handling or the best 

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looking, and it's the interiors 
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Alongside that, the reverse 
layout has come to be the way of

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doing boats, which actually 
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for those who are out cruising 
because walking straight into a 

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galley for example, not really a
good idea when you're out on a 

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wet, muddy toe path. 
So our boat is a trag and I 

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don't think you've seen your 
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Have you? 
No, we semi trams, semi cruises 

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and and Cruiser Stearns are the 
mainstay now and trams have an 

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awful lot to go for them, 
particularly for year round 

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boaters. 
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underestimated and I think a lot
of people try to bypass that by 

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putting pram hoods on the back 
of boats, which is great when 

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they're tied up completely 
impractical out cruising, 

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particularly on narrow canals. 
So trams have a lot going for 

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them. 
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in the stern of a boat where you
come in, you can take jackets 

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off, you're not interfering with
somebody cooking, you're not 

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dripping onto a sofa as you walk
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That's that's definitely a 
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Now, because I used to do boat 
reviews for the the other main 

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magazine, we've been competition
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I've got a few stories of things
that went wrong during boat 

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tests. 
Have you got any of those? 

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Oh yes. 
So I've had a number of boats 

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where the handling has been 
slightly challenging, shall we 

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say. 
So there's one boat that I took 

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out which never made it into the
magazine where the boat just 

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would not steer anything other 
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There was clearly some something
damage to the rudder 

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underwating, sitting has only 
just been launched, was slightly

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worrying. 
I've also had a boat where I 

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went to stern in a lock and the 
coupling disengaged for the 

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propeller shaft so we didn't 
stop apart from until we hit the

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sill and that was when we had. 
Inside. 

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There was a poorly designed wine
rack which had two bottles of 

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Merlot in it, which flew forward
at 4 miles an hour, crashing 

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into a bulkhead and ruining a 
carpet. 

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I mean, that reminds me of a 
story when I did a boat test. 

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Sounds rather similar. 
Fortunately, I'd given the 

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tiller back to the owner and he 
put the boat into reverse and 

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the IT was a hydraulic drive. 
So it was a very short prop 

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shaft and the propeller and the 
prop shaft just shot out the 

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back of the boat and the boat 
builder had to jump in, stripped

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off, jumped in and shafted her 
towel into the hole. 

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It's, it is always probably I've
also been on boats as well where

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you, you do wander into the boat
sometimes and you can suddenly 

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spot whether the boat builder 
has actually ever been a boater 

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because you suddenly spot things
that are just, well, that's not 

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particularly practical for 
cruising or why is it being done

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in this way. 
And that then sort of gets you 

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to poke a little bit deeper. 
I mean, like when you're with 

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the other magazine, there's 
always that chance that you you 

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go onto a boat and go, actually 
we can't put this in the 

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magazine because it's probably 
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building much good. 
But it also it's probably not a 

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great boat and we don't really 
want to feature boats that are 

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not good boats. 
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I mean, it's not like reviewing 
cars, is it? 

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I mean, we're not trying to do a
Jeremy Clarkson. 

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No, absolutely. 
We don't want to do a disservice

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to a boat builders and there's 
often that feedback to boat 

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builders as well in terms of 
actually, have you thought of 

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doing this way? 
Because we get to see lots and 

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lots of boats. 
We've all, you know, everything 

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from GRP cruisers, river 
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sort of semi seagoing coastal 
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And we can give a lot of 
feedback and support to boat 

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builders, but that requires them
to listen as well and also to 

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guide the customers in the right
way, because some customers go 

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out to buy a boat having never, 
ever set foot on a boat before. 

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And they will often ask for 
things that are not practical. 

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And boat builders really need to
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The relationship between the 
customer and the boat builder is

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crucial in that isn't it is is 
trying to find things that work 

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but also is what the customer 
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Absolutely, and I will have to 
say that some boat builders can 

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be quite challenging to work 
with as well. 

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customer and the boat builder, 
it's not going to make for a 

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happy build. 
And I think you can spot some 

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boat builders who clearly will 
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And I think that's something 
that people need to look up 

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front. 
Are they going to be able to 

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work with them? 
And also there are boat builders

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who will turn away customers 
because they are being asked to 

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build boats. 
That is not their style. 

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And that's that's not going to 
work out. 

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But if you try to get somebody 
to build a wide beam boat who's 

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never done one before, it may 
not work out as well as somebody

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who's really experienced. 
So if you're looking to buy a 

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boat, then I think that reading 
the boat test is is quite a good

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way of learning stuff, isn't it?
And there's a huge archive as 

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well. 
Absolutely and it's trying to 

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think about what do you want in 
the boat and then looking at 

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similar boats and they 
absolutely. 

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The Waters World Archives are 
huge and going back to 1972 with

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the types of boats that are out 
there and whilst not all of them

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might be available digitally, 
you can usually get hold of 

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second hand copies to actually 
find things and especially 

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second hand craft they'll often 
have been covered or similar 

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craft will have been covered 
maybe 1520 years ago. 

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Well, Mark Langley's review of 
our boat is in the February 2026

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edition of Waterways World, if 
you want to look that up. 

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And that's all for this episode 
of the Water Rd. 

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The podcast is produced and 
presented by me, Adam Porter. 

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Next time we'll have an 
interview with someone you very 

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rarely hear from, Nick ATI, the 
man behind the popular route 

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planning website Canal Plan AC. 
I just started writing these for

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fun. 
It was a hobby programming way 

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before there was the Internet or
anything, and we just used it 

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for our own use. 
But when the Internet came 

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along, there was the opportunity
to basically let other people 

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