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and what that means for you. 
Hey everyone, welcome back to 

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another episode in our, how to 
At or Pro Series this week. 

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We are sitting down with Scott 
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I was able to catch up with him 
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and really have a conversation. 
All about like how did he keep 

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jumping from 2 or 22 or and 
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getting better and growing. 
It's an awesome conversation in 

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great insights into the specific
tactics, how we practice is how 

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he thinks about things in all of
that before you get to it, a 

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quick overview. 
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Exxon his career. 
As a college golfer at Tennessee

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Tech, he won seven times and is 
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and 2008. 2009 he played on the 
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Keeping the Nationwide tour in 
2010 earned his card. 

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When to the PGA tour in 2011, 
one, The Greenbrier in 2011, one

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a second time at the true South 
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Now, Sanderson Farms 
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Farmers Insurance so he's had a 
fantastic career and he's right 

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in the heart of it playing some 
really good golf but let's Go 

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back. 
Let's go back to the start. 

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Where does this journey begin 
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I played every sport growing up 
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soccer. 
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think of. 
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competitive in everything and I 
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first love and I was on a 
traveling baseball team and golf

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is kind of something I did when 
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middle of the seasons and when 
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that was the week. 
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March, and I've made my first 
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tiger won the Masters and 
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And we're getting ready to start
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this travel baseball team. 
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After tiger one, I remember 
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ready to have our first, like, 
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you know, pretty low-key that I 
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Yeah, we're on a team that is 
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point, which is nothing. 
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know, for at that point in my 
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them and said I was done one 
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pursue Golf and by no means was 
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at but it was just something 
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and of course of a couple weeks 
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made the right choice. 
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you better at baseball re better
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Now, this wave as golf was my 
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But I mean I looked up a bladed,
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it went in and then I watch this
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the field at the Masters and it 
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That's awesome. 
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right? 
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Like I was going to figure it 
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strong grip. 
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My wedge is sucked. 
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but I could hit a really long 
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Striker. 
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back. 
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play, like, I know now I work 
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crazy. 
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like, I'm getting right play the
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could take your 20 handicapper 
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my not change a single shot, or 
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But just tell them, what, like, 
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situational awareness from 
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course. 
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just by like a learning how to 
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Not necessarily like, oh, you 
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to putt better. 
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goes without saying that can 
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mentality standpoint of learning
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around the golf course 
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it and kind of just trying to 
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what that day looks like, and 
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would love to go back to myself 
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Old kid and like, man, your 
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better at it. 
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interesting is like the basic 
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Like, what did you do to 
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Were you playing all day where 
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an instructor? 
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a junior golfer play golf? 
As much as you possibly can and 

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figure it out. 
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out of the dirt figure out, how 
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and get out of it. 
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from a performance standpoint of
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Man and functional movement and 
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Works and everything. 
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and a place where that comes in 
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takes the you know, a lot of 
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more on getting outside and 
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My score is based on how I go 
from the T to get it in the hall

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as fast as possible. 
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the golf course. 
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now especially with technology 
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us. us on tour, you know, you're
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and how to get better and just 
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you know, even myself is 
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I didn't get a ton of looks from
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small School Division. 1 School,
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ever happened to me. 
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progressed into freshman 
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college coach had played on tour
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pulled me aside and said, man, I
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and ability to make a run at it,
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He was always handing on me, 
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more than everyone else and was 
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effort into it and and still I 
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at it. 
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and just keep stacking hours. 
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had no clue what I was doing. 
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decent idea now but you know 
still my time management is the 

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key especially if you're going 
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understanding, when you can put 
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grind it out and also 
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from a mindset perspective and 
how to kind of get away from the

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game. 
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you're ready to work instead of,
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again, you know, I enjoy the 
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I enjoy the, the trial and error
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everything that goes along with 
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But, you know, there's 
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and there's a lot, a lot of poor
decisions that hopefully lead to

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better outcomes and better 
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a career. 
Why do you think you're able to 

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keep chugging along even though?
Like you said, you'd do 

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differently now? 
I did a lot of things really. 

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Well, I was always a good ball 
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of get it around the whole, my 
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I mean, I hit it significantly 
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first got on tour, but I do not 
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So there's it, I definitely give
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I mean, I don't hit it short by 
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But I've made some sacrifices 
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Body-wise and stuff like that, 
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know, be able to do this for the
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I mean, my back don't bother me 
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I don't hit the 30 yard hook 
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like everything that goes into 
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And, you know, I think people 
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does that version. 
I know this is what I'm capable 

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of but is that actually feasible
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season? 
You know, instead of being the 

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flash in the pan like how can I 
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out instead of just once every 
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How do you make that jump? 
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maybe not so much and then 
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You just it just kind of started
working with a coach my 

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sophomore year of college, Brad 
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And the first thing he had kind 
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grip held the putter to the way 
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Like, I interlocked, I never 
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just kind of what I did. 
And I had a really funky the way

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my Left hand was sit on the 
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remember the first thing he 
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Honda? 
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meant and he said, you're a 
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And he put his hand up, like, 
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steering wheel of a car. 
He said, this is how you put, 

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and he changed my putting grip. 
And the next week, I won my 

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first college tournament and at 
Jacksonville State in Gadsden 

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Alabama. 
And it's just kind of, like, of 

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all from there, as far. 
Understanding what you do this? 

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Well, how can we make it a 
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And, you know, that kind of, you
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of figuring out ways to 
consistently get better and, and

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making it where I knew what the 
go like, the long-term goal in 

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the short-term going, kind of 
how that met throughout was 

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something that we tried to work 
for tried to work for all the 

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time and it just kind of went 
from there, man, but that was 

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the first lesson I ever, Got. 
Learn how to travel learn, how 

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to be professional, everything 
that kind of goes along between 

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making a paycheck, learn how to 
manage sponsors, learn how to 

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manage, you know, your time and 
resources to be able to, you 

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know, fulfill a certain outcome.
I mean, any kind of business 

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mindset. 
I mean, my business was golf and

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you know, and 2010 I missed my 
tour card by shot and everyone 

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thought that was like this huge 
detriment that happened to me 

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but ultimately was the probably 
the best thing ever. 

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I mean, I spent my first 
basically Thunder. 

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Now, Korn Ferry web.com. 
When I played it was Nationwide.

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Spent basically the first four 
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I've never traveled out of the 
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let alone for my job. 
And I mean, that was like early 

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as December and second week of 
January, I was in New Zealand, 

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and trying to figure it out, 
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And Australia, Colombia Panama 
kind of everything that went 

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along with the schedule, that it
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And I mean, that was a huge 
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Matured a lot as a man. 
My wife was have, is very 

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fortunate to have my wife. 
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of learn that process of being a
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golfer and and a man all at the 
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maturity that happened and kind 
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I played many tours out of 
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Went to q-school missed played a
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Miss my car by shot web.com or 
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Didn't get my card but it The 
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in the money list you basically 
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played a practice round Scott, 
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nationally told me on the fourth
hole and he said, buddy, I don't

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know. 
He said, if you don't get your 

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card this week, you're never 
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And I mean, I was a guy, hit a 
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just bombed it and or it was 
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It was wet. 
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finished like, 6 in the 
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Told me on the 4th hole of the 
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He said, if you don't get your 
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going to get it. 
Pressure is on so I'll never 

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forget that. 
So we've heard a bit of his 

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story. 
Kind of what are the actions 

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that took? 
One of the things that happened 

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Let's look at the tactics and 

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routines and the habits and the 
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particular, actually discusses a
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to go out and practice and I 
thought it was so good that we 

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made this cheat sheet for the 
game. 

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We transcribe, what he what he 
says and kind of gave you a 

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little game plan so you can go 
out and test yourself but it's 

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on the show notes along with 
this golf stance live.com /. 

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Scott you'll see a button in 
link to download that. 

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All right, let's get into these 
strategies. 

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I've never really been a range 
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I will play in practice a lot on
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lot now at home. 
I'll get up super early in the 

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morning. 
Go first off and play a couple 

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balls or I go like really late 
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and play a couple different 
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myself from what can games you 
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When I do you take scoring 
averages and especially with the

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data that we have, you know, 
like strong areas and weak 

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areas. 
But the biggest thing is As I do

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one with his wedge game you 
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segments, 50, 75 75 100, 100 125
125 to 150 and you go for balls 

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in that general area, you never 
hit a ball from the same yardage

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you never because in golf you 
can't drop one and hit it again.

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You always go through your 
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And so basically the stats that 
we've gone off in the last 10 

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years, what was the closest 
proximity to In that generalized

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25-yard area. 
So in 2013, when Justin Rose won

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the US, Open his proximity to 
haul from 50. 75 yards with 6 

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feet, 8 inches. 
That was his average. 

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Wow. 
From 50 to 75 that is 

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ridiculous. 
Yeah. 

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And and the numbers obviously, 
get further and further away the

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further you go from the whole 
but we found over the course of 

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shotlink data. 
We picked the best and over the 

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ten-year period that they've 
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And that's the number we use. 
So two of the four balls from 

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that, you know, 25-yard segments
have to be inside the best. 

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The other two can go wherever, 
but if you get more than two, it

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adds up. 
So say you went to 125 to 150 

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only got one. 
If you carry one over it Kyle 

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allows the game to continue and 
you do it over and on whole 

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period and you kind of bounce 
back and forth and you start to 

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see your strengths and 
weaknesses. 

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Using one Club using multiple 
clubs and just trying to figure 

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out how to, you know, I'm in the
situation like how to deal with 

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it. 
And your kind of, I do way 

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better with games like that 
sitting on the, on the Range 

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hitting balls, like my coach 
Scott Hamilton and tell you that

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I've definitely got driving 
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Add golf is very 
counterintuitive to my 

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personality and so any anything 
that involves like getting into 

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it and kind of figuring out how 
to make a score, make a shot 

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like that. 
That way more intrigues me than 

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sitting in a bay hitting balls 
on a track, man. 

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The range is more a technical 
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Like, how I do on the Range is 
completely irrelevant to my 

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score on the course because I 
feel like. 

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So, for instance, testing the 
driver shaft here on Monday in 

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Minnesota and, you know, messing
with some spin numbers and just 

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trying to find a more optimal 
version to cut down a couple 

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hundred RPMs and just try to 
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But it could we make it a little
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And you kind of get that give 
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with it. 
You're basically dealing with 

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Monday afternoon numbers and 
trying to extrapolate and 

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compare it to what it be Sunday 
afternoon coming under the gun 

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where your swing speed, you 
know, is in that, you know, some

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guys. 
Three some guys, seven miles an 

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hour. 
You know, if I'm swinging it 114

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116 on Monday like it's going to
be significantly higher Sunday 

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afternoon under the pump. 
And I just think that so many 

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people like, well, you know, it 
goes so much further in 

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tournaments, like, yeah, 
everything attention to Tail 

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focus. 
And so just with that mindset, 

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understanding that this is a 
process. 

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I'm going to be technical here. 
Well I'm gonna go on the golf 

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course. 
I got to go execute and learning

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kind of the differences. 
Similarities between the two is 

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something that I think people 
struggle with. 

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Let's say your son decides to 
play golf, right? 

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He's trying to do it. 
What do you think would be the 

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biggest advice or things that 
you would help him with down the

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road here if you if he chooses 
to go after but make him work on

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his fundamentals and make them 
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Yeah. 
And ultimately let him give as 

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many opportunities as I possibly
can to let them play. 

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And I think as a dad and a 
professional golfer and whether 

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is my son or one of my friends 
kids cows, like I want to be a 

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good golfer. 
That's I would tell them the 

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exact same thing whether he was 
my son or not and you see so 

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many people make mistakes of the
perfect swinger. 

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I mean, you go up and down this 
range. 

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There's not many with perfect 
swings. 

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There's a lot of funky looking 
action out there but they know 

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how to get it done. 
And you know, There's more than 

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one way to do it and but just 
figuring out how to be that 

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version of yourself, more often 
than not, and come out here day 

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in day out with purpose and a 
plan. 

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And go out there and figure out 
how to execute. 

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Hey, thank you so much for 
listening to this episode. 

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Scott had so many good insights,
and I just really appreciate him

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sharing his story and a lot of 
the stuff that he is doing. 

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Now, the stuff that Heath, you 
know, thinks helped him achieve 

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the success that he has and all 
that good stuff is just a really

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cool. 
Insights. 

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If you want to learn more about 
Scott, he is a really cool story

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about some of the things that 
have happened in his health, and

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his journeys, a professional 
golfer over the last few years. 

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The no laying up Podcast 
interview that he did was 

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fantastic. 
I would recommend going back to 

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that. 
If you haven't listened, to it 

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already and listen to that 
interview that they did with 

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him. 
Super, super good. 

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