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We're talking with leading 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,500 instructors, researchers, and players themselves to find what 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:18,500 is actually working Hey, welcome back to the podcast. 21 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,900 We are kicking off a new series today. 22 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:24,200 It's all about ball striking. How can we do that more 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,400 effectively when using launch monitor feedback? 24 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:33,300 Now that, you know, so many clubs have simulator rooms so 25 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:37,900 many folks are buying, you know, like the 500 dollar launch 26 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:40,200 monitor in that category is exploding. 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,700 What can we do with all this feedback? 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,900 And how do we need to be using it to improve our ball striking? 29 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:48,400 That is the goal of this podcast series, and it is sponsored by 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,900 wrap, Soto thankful for them for doing that. 31 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:52,000 We're gonna talk a lot of different things. 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,300 Here we have Tony Ruggiero on today, we're going to talk about 33 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:57,800 how to approach has used launch monitors. 34 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:00,500 Whether it's on the road, pre-tournament what as an 35 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,500 instructor he is paying attention to when it comes to 36 00:02:02,508 --> 00:02:05,000 ball-striking. So we're talking everything from 37 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,800 path and face, how he changes that with pressure trace and 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,700 everything in between. So lots of great info, Tony is a 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,900 A good friend and it runs the powered by golf Landslide 40 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:17,500 podcast called the tour coach, which is fantastic. 41 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:20,400 He's always out on the road, interviewing good people as he's 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,900 going from tournament to tournament. 43 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:23,700 Definitely go check out that program. 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,700 But other than that, let's Dive Right into this conversation and 45 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,100 get started on our journey to better ball striking. 46 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:38,700 In this new series, All right, so we are kicking off our ball. 47 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:42,700 Striking series with Tony Ruggiero to her coach podcast. 48 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:45,900 Tony, you are a ball striking Aficionado. 49 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,100 I feel like I think I'm fortunate. 50 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,000 I've got a bunch of guys that hit it pretty good. 51 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,900 Makes me look better. But you know, I think that some 52 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,100 of the stuff that in the way we teach probably, you know, 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,000 probably helps that right. You know, I've been fortunate 54 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,100 that some of the people I've taught from even from high 55 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:07,400 school. And developing into tour 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,900 players. They've been good ball Strikers. 57 00:03:08,900 --> 00:03:10,800 It's been their strength. So I think it's probably a 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,700 combination of some of the stuff we do and in the fact that 59 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:16,200 they're really gifted and talented is probably more of it. 60 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,800 What is a good ball Striker? Mean, let's just start there. 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,300 Like how do we Define that? Well, I think there's lots of 62 00:03:21,308 --> 00:03:23,900 ways you could Define it. These are the ways. 63 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:27,400 I look at it. One contact to me, great ball, 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,300 Strikers, always find us and really good ball Strikers. 65 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Hit it in the center of the face and in the one thing that's 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,700 incredibly important for me. Teaching players at higher 67 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:40,000 levels is to me the better ball Strikers. 68 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,900 Might hit a little Rider, hit it a little left, but their 69 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:45,600 distance is almost always exactly what they wanted. 70 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:48,700 You know and they know exactly how far the ball is going to go. 71 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:52,400 So I think great ball Strikers. But what you mean by a great 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,300 ball Striker is that they have real control of their golf ball 73 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:58,300 with contact. Great contact. 74 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:00,700 Consistent contact and the ability to control the 75 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:02,400 distances. I think everybody misses it a 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,800 little right little left, but they always control distances. 77 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:07,500 Really well, interesting interesting. 78 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:10,800 So quality of strike Center face contact. 79 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,300 You do a lot of like foot spray then on like stuff and tests. 80 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:17,100 Or how do you do? How do you train center of it? 81 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:21,000 Don't now I don't use the foot spray, I know lots of guys do. 82 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,800 I've just never been my deal, probably just too lazy to get up 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,400 off the chair and go spray it but you know, one of the reasons 84 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,500 like the quad and the foresight, one of the reasons I got 85 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:37,400 interested in that early on. Was because you could see 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,900 exactly where it hit on the face. 87 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:42,400 I know we're talking about launch monitors and I thought 88 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,400 that so I thought it was more easy to explain mrs. 89 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:49,600 Because of where he saw it on the face so that was one of the 90 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,100 reasons that they show. Like if I'm worried about 91 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:55,100 contact, that's probably more where I go with it. 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Gotcha, it's a great ball Strikers, make great contact at 93 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,100 the center of the face. A lot that means their distance 94 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:02,800 control is good. They might miss a little writer 95 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,300 left. When you think a great ball 96 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,400 Strikers, do you think of someone One who can work the 97 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,000 ball, both ways someone, you know, like, Lucas where it's 98 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,800 everything's right to left. Like the shot shape matter to 99 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,000 you. And you think ball-striking? 100 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:19,600 No, I mean, I, you know, I don't, I think that, I think all 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,900 of them can all great ball Strikers can when they have to 102 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:26,000 curve it a certain direction, right? 103 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,200 And we mentioned Lucas, I mean he can hold it against the wind 104 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:33,700 curve, it left, right? If he needs to certainly not as 105 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:35,400 preference. And I think, to be honest, he 106 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,400 would tell you, He's gotten better at that in the last three 107 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,000 or four years, you've hung out around us Summit Frederick and 108 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,400 stuff. We're like at times, he almost 109 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,600 gets pissed that it's easier for him to get a fade. 110 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Then it is sometimes to draw. But you know, I think all I 111 00:05:49,207 --> 00:05:52,500 think all really good ball Strikers, can curve it if they 112 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:56,500 have to, but I don't, they're to me and I know there's 113 00:05:56,500 --> 00:06:00,000 exceptions. There's very few that are doing 114 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,600 a lot both ways. I think they have a preferred 115 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,900 shot shape and you don't know. They may be different for off 116 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:08,400 the tee and with iron Earns but I think they have a shot that 117 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,500 they could. That's repeatable. 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,300 I think repeatable is the key. They it comes out the same 119 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:15,500 window who comes to mind when you walk arranged on too early 120 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:18,600 who comes to mind? Is, is that Persona? 121 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:21,500 Well, I mean I think Lucas is, I mean, not just because I coach 122 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:24,300 him, but I think he's one of the best ball Strikers out there. 123 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,600 Right? You know, I thought when he 124 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,100 played really good golf, this is going back. 125 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:31,200 But these are guys, I coached, I thought, when he had that 126 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,800 stretch where he played really good, I thought Smiley Kaufman 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,300 was a really good ball striker. Really control desire and 128 00:06:37,300 --> 00:06:42,000 distances and curved it one way left to right for the most part, 129 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,500 you know, and that would go into the, where if you start curving, 130 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:47,200 it both ways. I think that's where guys have 131 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,600 it to try and to do that. Sometimes, get off track. 132 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,200 So, trying to think who you walk up and down. 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,200 I mean, like, I can remember standing at a u.s. open next to 134 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,600 Dustin Johnson and listening to him, hit it and it sounds 135 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,200 different, like it's good, right? 136 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,800 You know, DJ is always impressive you. 137 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:09,900 No irons and wedges to me, one of the best wedge player and 138 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:13,500 it's so fun to watch him, hit irons, and it's so pure, it's 139 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:19,500 Justin Thomas, and I love watching him, hit wedges and not 140 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:22,100 scoring clubs. Like, I think everybody talks 141 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000 about his footwork, right? Like with the drivers they show 142 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,800 those pictures of his feet in the air. 143 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:29,700 If you watch it kind of scoring Club, how beautiful his footwork 144 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,600 is, how great is rhythm is, and how solid and how good the 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,800 contact is and how his distance control is. 146 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:39,100 With the scoring Globes. Interesting, interesting, well, 147 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:40,900 you see, you mention the word consistency, right? 148 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:43,800 When we talk about ball-striking, I'm sure that 149 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,300 you've probably heard 80% of people walk into your your 150 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,900 studio and say, Hey, I want to be more consistent. 151 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,500 What's your answer to that? How do you negotiate that word? 152 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,500 I struggle at that word because I feel like it's I mean, I don't 153 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:58,900 know if consistency is a thing personally. 154 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,100 But I think consists, I mean, I think some people that come in 155 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:04,300 are consistently. They consistently suck. 156 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:07,600 Yeah, right. No, I mean, consistency doesn't 157 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,800 necessarily mean good, you're good is right, I think. 158 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,800 But yeah, I think there's a couple things and, you know, I 159 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,900 know you've done some stunts of stuff, will Greg cart, right? 160 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:22,000 But like the whole I think, once you once you understand that 161 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,700 golf really hard and that I think by Nature, it's 162 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:27,300 inconsistent and that there are lots of ups and downs, you're 163 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:29,300 probably set up to become a better player. 164 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:33,900 But I think that I think that most golfers, what they really 165 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:36,000 mean when they come to you and they say they want to be We're 166 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,400 consistent is that they want a more repeatable shot pattern. 167 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,799 They don't want to be trying to draw and all of a sudden, hit a 168 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,300 huge right? Shot in a big left shot. 169 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,200 I think that's what really golfers are looking for. 170 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:52,600 And so when they when they come and they say that they want to 171 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,800 be more consistent. I think they want, they don't 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,600 want mrs. To go both directions and I 173 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,800 think they want to understand what's causing their bad shots. 174 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,300 I think of so many golfers out there struggle because they, you 175 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:08,600 know, They don't understand what's causing their bad shots. 176 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,000 And I think this is a real key and I tell our Junior golfers, 177 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,300 this all the time. That one of the great things I 178 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:18,200 think about tour players and the best players in the world is 179 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,100 that they understand what it is. They need to do to hit their 180 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:23,200 good shot. I think they're way less 181 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,100 concerned with other stuff, other people and all that, but 182 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:28,800 they have a real understanding of what it is. 183 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,900 They need to do to hit their good shot. 184 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,400 I think, you know, recreational golfers the weekend warrior, I 185 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,100 think they're always worried about like what made it go, 186 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:40,100 laughs. What made it go? 187 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:41,900 Right. And they don't ever have a basic 188 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:44,400 understanding of what it is. They do when they do a good I 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,500 think if you understand what it is you do when you hit your good 190 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:49,600 shot, you've got a better chance to repeat it. 191 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:52,000 And the more you can repeat something by Nature, I think 192 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,800 you're going to be more consistent for me. 193 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,700 I've always found like, when you understand dispersion pattern, 194 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:58,600 the first time, somebody sees that, right? 195 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,700 All right, me hitting an 8-iron verse Lucas, hitting an 8-iron 196 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,200 10 shots, then looking the dispersion pattern is going to 197 00:10:05,208 --> 00:10:06,600 be drastically different. Different, right? 198 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,800 Let's that's consistency in one form is. 199 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:12,600 Well, we're all going to We're not gonna hit in the same spot 200 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,100 no matter how good you are. But his pattern is going to be 201 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:20,400 way tighter over 10 shots than mine right and for me that's 202 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,500 consistency is just knowing that hey it could go anywhere in 203 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:25,300 here. I'm just not that good. 204 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:29,700 So my my window of Tolerance is way bigger than you know someone 205 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:30,900 else, right? Right. 206 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:34,700 And that's you know if you look at like I mean all the stats and 207 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:38,000 those types of systems Out there in the cone and I, you know, 208 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,600 obviously one that on social media, bunch of people uses that 209 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,500 decade. But like, you know, knowing how 210 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:46,400 to aim your cone, right? The biggest you know, Mac 211 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:48,800 Barnhart, I always sit down Horace and talk about like 212 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,900 knowing your variance, you know, you got to know how far right? 213 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:55,300 You can miss it and how far left you can miss it and if you can 214 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:57,200 do that you can play golf and aim. 215 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,800 And I think what you just said is so your boundaries or wider 216 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:05,700 that, Lucas Glover Robbie Shelton, there's ex-hooker Rick 217 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:07,200 Lyon. A more whoever, right? 218 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:11,900 And so I think all we're doing when we coach and teach is 219 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:16,100 helping people understand what makes those boundaries get wider 220 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,600 so that they can bring them in and that their shot dispersion. 221 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,000 This is less. Let's talk launch miners. 222 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,300 Let's get specific when we're trying to tighten you know that 223 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:27,600 cone you know what metrics are most important to you? 224 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:31,100 What data are you looking at like what are some of your top 225 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:34,800 numbers that you think are most important path and face? 226 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,100 You know, to me? Bigger the difference between 227 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:42,200 the path and face like, you know, like, I think, you know, 228 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,000 if a guy wants to draw it as path and and his face, you know, 229 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,700 it's past got to be into Al. I don't think you, I think. 230 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:53,200 But the more in doubt it goes, the more you're going to have to 231 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,900 have the face close to that path. 232 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:59,900 So I try to have less variance is now I don't I try to get 233 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:02,000 people. I'm not a big zero. 234 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,100 It out guy like where you want it to be 0 but I think like You 235 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,600 know, you when you get people with paths that are way left 236 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,600 with faces that are way open. I think that you get more, you 237 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,800 know you get more variances in there if you get way into out 238 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,000 with a face that's shutting having to shut a lot more to the 239 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,500 path. I think there's more, you know, 240 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:26,500 there's going to be more curved, you know, more variances in 241 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:28,700 there. So I try to I'm always looking 242 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:34,100 it path and, and face on that, you know, contact for me is a 243 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:37,500 lot of pivot work, right? I think if At people like you 244 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:40,600 get recreational golfers and they don't you know, they hid 245 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,500 behind it, they hit it fat, they hit it. 246 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:45,900 Then all that. I think a lot of that stuff can 247 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:49,800 be very much pivot related and not enough either not enough 248 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,000 pivot back but especially not enough pivot through the ball. 249 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,600 Interesting. So it lets say you see someone's 250 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,600 path. They typically are 3 to the 3 to 251 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,200 the right. But you see them now, going back 252 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,100 the other way, it's maybe more towards zero or even the other 253 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:06,500 way you'll look at their pivot first and see if If maybe 254 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:09,900 they're they're not making a bet a fullback swinger full pivot 255 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:12,200 back or is that kind of how you think about that? 256 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:14,900 You know, I think it every every player is different right here. 257 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:18,700 And so the art of coaching is looking at a guy and they did 258 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:20,900 Shaft and I were talking last night about like, you know, when 259 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:23,300 you have a live lesson in front of you, got, like a minute or 260 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:27,000 two to kind of summarize it in your head and say, hey, this is 261 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,800 what we're going to start. And look, sometimes I start with 262 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,200 somebody and then I'm like, 15 minutes to do it like that in 263 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,800 the right way. I've been shot. 264 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,200 You know, I'm super simple so if I'm trying to get somebody's 265 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,700 path, Less in doubt or less out to him, I mean, I like to do 266 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:49,200 things with them, real simple, to let them coach themselves, a 267 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,400 little, I like to put a, you know, I've used the Rope a 268 00:13:52,408 --> 00:13:55,300 bunch, you've seen me use the rope for the Target line. 269 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Have them tee, the ball up on the target line, and put a stick 270 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,000 out there. Directly between them and the 271 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Target and let them. I mean a great drill for anybody 272 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,600 is to learn Learn to start it right and curve it left start at 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,300 left and curve it, right? And let them figure out how much 274 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:13,900 of each they need to do to hit whatever shot shape they were, 275 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:17,600 you know, I think a lot of folks can I mean, we're making an 276 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,400 assumption here that they've got good grips. 277 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,200 They've got a pretty good club face those types of the good 278 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,900 posture, and set up ball in the right spot. 279 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:27,600 But like, I think a lot of people can figure some of this 280 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,800 stuff out on their own, if they go out there and they try to 281 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,600 curve it right to left, and they try to curb it, left to right 282 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,300 with understanding that the draw it, it's The path has to be more 283 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:41,700 into out and it took curve it. The face has two could be close 284 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:45,500 to that path if they want to cut it, it's the opposite and go out 285 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:49,300 there and you know, I'm big on exaggerating. 286 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:52,300 I mean sometimes when a guy really wants to draw and I'll 287 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:56,000 have them just hit snap Hooks and then I'll say, you know, I 288 00:14:56,008 --> 00:14:58,500 know hit a Big Slice. Now try to hit one in the middle 289 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,000 doing that and I think if you do that I think you know I think a 290 00:15:02,008 --> 00:15:04,700 lot of people can coach themselves. 291 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,900 Figure things out on them. Ourselves without us having to 292 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:08,700 fill them with a bunch of information. 293 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Its key. I mean, too many people get so 294 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,600 stuck or so concerned about, I've got to stay, you know, if 295 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,400 my path is here and that's where I want to be. 296 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,600 I got to stay as close to that as I can every single golf shot, 297 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,500 you know, all the time because I got to, you know, ingrain that 298 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:28,500 feeling and they missed this part of this awareness so that 299 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:31,200 they can self coach almost, right? 300 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:33,900 Because if you see something happening on the course, or when 301 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:37,100 you're out practicing and you have no Ernest of what it feels 302 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:38,700 like. When your path goes to the left 303 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:40,400 or to the right or what these things are. 304 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,800 You can't can't help yourself which is just tough. 305 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:47,500 Best part about launch monitors his feedback. 306 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,300 Right? I think that. 307 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,200 So if you do one, correct, you hit your shot, whatever it is, 308 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:00,300 whatever your perfect shot is. I'll have guys say, you know, 309 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:02,900 Lucas is said this. Robbie said, I just want to hit 310 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:05,600 that shot every time. That's, that's the one I want. 311 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,600 Well then you could look down and say exactly what was that 312 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,200 path, right. And I think that going even 313 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,900 deeper like with things like swing Catalyst. 314 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,000 Then you can say, okay, how much did they turn? 315 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,700 Where was the pressure? All of those things? 316 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:22,800 You know. I shift path a lot with pressure 317 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,600 Trace, right. Like so I have probably had. 318 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,700 I mean I probably use that as much trying to change path with 319 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:35,400 some people especially better players as I do anything. 320 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,300 So I'll may work with them on the swing Catalyst and we may 321 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:43,400 you know, you see a guy trying to hit a draw but the pressure 322 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,400 he gets it out on the toes, going back and it goes too quick 323 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,500 to the left heel. I mean, he probably didn't have 324 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:49,800 a very good chance to hit a draw. 325 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,100 So helping them understand where the pressure and weight and all 326 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:55,400 that stuff. Needs to go, can help a guy and 327 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,500 then you put them on the rope and you put a stick out there 328 00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:59,600 and have him try to do that and get it to start it right to 329 00:16:59,608 --> 00:17:02,400 left. Or, you know, if he's getting 330 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,000 way into his heel and running out onto his left toe and he 331 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,099 wants to fade it. That's not going to work either. 332 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 So helping helping folks understand the relationship 333 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,500 between that pressure trace and how the body is working along 334 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,200 with what the path and the face need to be. 335 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,700 I think if we can educate them, educate the golfer with that and 336 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:22,099 then let them figure it out a little bit. 337 00:17:22,099 --> 00:17:24,200 I think they got a better chance to do it on the golf course and 338 00:17:24,208 --> 00:17:26,400 a better chance to own it. If they figure a little bit of 339 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,800 it out themselves to do, you use your using a launch monitor is 340 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,200 like finding the symptom and then you try to look to what's 341 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,000 causing that. Is that a little bit how you use 342 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,800 it? Well, I mean You know, we're 343 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,000 always trying to find the Cause. Right? 344 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Yeah, it's are the main deck. So I mean, I look at all of the 345 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,400 stuff mean real, a lot of, it's my eyes. 346 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:50,500 Yeah, I use you know, when I film a guy and it comes into 347 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:54,000 Frederick and he hits I watch him hit and I like to watch 348 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 somebody hit to when they're out warming up without me being 349 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,600 there because they're not trying to do what they think I would 350 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,200 want to do and you can watch am just hitting balls and you can 351 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,400 watch it. Everything, how much time do 352 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,000 they take between ID, malls, everything. 353 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:13,000 So I like to do that and then you know the so that's the first 354 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,200 part of the analysis, then and I think then it's obviously the 355 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,500 interviewing of asking them questions about what they're 356 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:23,000 working on, what's the bad shot when they play their best? 357 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 What what do they do? But then I think there's also 358 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,700 but then I like to film them and I like to look at the track man. 359 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:34,200 The quad data and the swing Catalyst data together and 360 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,900 figure out. Like, I mean, Is it just there 361 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,900 swinging a little too much out to the right or to the left? 362 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:42,700 Or is it because their pivot is where I don't think it's a 363 00:18:42,708 --> 00:18:45,900 Concrete set thing. Like, you always start, I think 364 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:47,900 you have to look at all of the information. 365 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,000 Trust your intuition. And I Rely a lot on experiences 366 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,800 from other players, things that have worked things, that didn't 367 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,400 work things. I've seen people do and I Rely a 368 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,900 lot on things I've learned from observing and watching other 369 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,700 great teachers, from all my time with Hank, Johnson, and Mark, 370 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Oakwood Wayne Flint the times. I've gone to watch Butch twice. 371 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,000 I think it was. And you know, you talk to Billy 372 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,700 Harman. Like all of those things Brady 373 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:16,200 rigs like you. Do you try to pick up little 374 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,000 tidbits each time that may help you when you get a certain you 375 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 know, something? You know you when you get a 376 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,400 certain situation, think the key is that there's no set rules 377 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,600 like trying to find the cause but I don't know that. 378 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,000 Always start in a certain place, necessarily get you there. 379 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,300 I think you want to get as much information about the student as 380 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:37,100 you can and then you want to look As much information as you 381 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:40,300 can, in a short time frame and make your assessment. 382 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:42,800 Yep, talking launch monitors here. 383 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:46,300 How do to our Pros? Use launch monitor data or 384 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:50,000 what's, what's the regular kind of process with whatever money 385 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:51,500 you got? A lot of these younger guys that 386 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,500 have grown up with them, right? That get delve, I think delve 387 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:58,500 way more into some of the information and then other 388 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:03,500 players, I think that, if I was to say that, you know, they look 389 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:08,300 the most common things. You here on a range would be, 390 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,200 you know, I think your mid the older guys are using a lot of it 391 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,100 for distance. I think during a tournament 392 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:19,400 week, the majority of players are using it to know how far the 393 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,300 ball is going where they are. I think that's the number one 394 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:26,300 thing players are doing, and they want it to be accurate and 395 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:30,300 they want to be easy to set up. So I think that's number one, 396 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,600 across the board most of the time, if I'm walking down the 397 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,700 range and I'm asking, like, you know, somebody's there and I 398 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:37,500 switch, you'll say, What you do and then I'll just checking my 399 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:39,600 numbers just checking how far it's going. 400 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,300 So I think that's number one and then I think you have guys that 401 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:45,700 monitor their path and their face and their attack, you know 402 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,400 attack angle like guys may not like it getting steep or vice 403 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,300 versa. So but you know there's a rule I 404 00:20:53,308 --> 00:20:57,200 think the more information that the guys use it for probably 405 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,000 transpires to be in more of a younger player that's grown up 406 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,900 with it. How much does distance and ball 407 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:05,600 speed and clubhead speed change week to week? 408 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,700 Or a month to month, I think distance changes a pretty good 409 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:13,600 bit based on where they are. Hmm, you know I mean especially 410 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,500 on the PGA tour, you know they're going to go from Sigrid 411 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:21,200 go from Palm Springs and when it's you know, it's warm in the 412 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,300 afternoon, super dry ball goes a long way, but in the morning, 413 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:28,900 they'll hit balls on a track man or a quad or rap soda or 414 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:32,600 whatever it is. They're using to know like man, 415 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,900 if if I'd get that 730 time for Exhales balls not going 416 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:38,500 anywhere. I need to know how far it's not, 417 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:40,600 you know, how much less it's it's going. 418 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,300 And then you go from there and you saw the balls going a long 419 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:44,400 way. And then you're going, then you 420 00:21:44,408 --> 00:21:46,500 go a few weeks. You go up to Pebble Beach where 421 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,100 I'm going to Pebble Beach in February is not always the most 422 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:51,300 Pleasant weather, right? And the ball isn't going 423 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:52,300 anywhere. Yeah. 424 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:55,500 And they need to know how much it's not going anywhere. 425 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,100 So, you know, I think I think there's a lot of variation in 426 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:03,600 distance and I also think that from a golfer listening to me 427 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,200 and you I don't think very nearly The very many golfers, I 428 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,100 think they say, I, if you ask them, how far you get your 429 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,600 seven, I hit 160 yards. I don't think very many folks 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,500 know, whether that's carry your total. 431 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,200 And the difference between hitting their 7-iron 160 yards 432 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,500 in July versus February. And, I mean, I see it all the 433 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,600 time. Junior golfers are the worst. 434 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:30,100 I mean, they got 160 and it's 48 degrees and they pull their 79 435 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,200 out, and then they think they're not hitting it any good because 436 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,800 it comes up 15 yards. Short of the bunker, right? 437 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Mean it's not there. Also use the condition. 438 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,600 So I think tour players take so much time and effort to know 439 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,800 exactly how far the ball is going using devices. 440 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,800 Whether it's any of those monitors or it's or it's 441 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,000 shooting a tree out on the Range and hitting the ball at it and 442 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000 seeing where it goes, right, there's lots of different ways 443 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,500 to do it and you don't have to have a launch monitor if you're 444 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,500 listening to us, to be able to figure that out. 445 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,400 So, but I think that every golfer could benefit from 446 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,900 understanding that, how far you hit your 7 and how far you get 447 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:07,800 your pitching wedge, what? Ever it is is going to change 448 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,900 daily weekly, monthly based on conditions. 449 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:14,700 You know and sometimes to distance going down under good 450 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,600 conditions is an indication that. 451 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,600 Hey, maybe I'm not my pivots not working as good as I needed to 452 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,000 be, or something's off, right? It gives us a highway feel like, 453 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,500 or physically my back's. Not moving is good. 454 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:27,300 My hips aren't turning this good, whatever. 455 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:29,300 And it lets us go. Okay, well, you need to go do 456 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:31,900 some stuff with Colby in the gym because your hips are moving 457 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:33,900 enough because you're not carrying it quite as much. 458 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,700 But I mean, are you watching Club head speed? 459 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,100 Ball speed as well for you. Just looking at distance numbers 460 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,900 typically to watch a little bit of Club head speed involves beat 461 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,300 mean. I'm not like a junkie. 462 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:47,000 Like I mean there's some guys that's all they focus on right 463 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,900 and there's great teachers that that's what they're always 464 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,500 looking at mean. I think it's incredibly 465 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:55,400 important now and I've got some young guys, young kid, Justin 466 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,700 Burrows, that hammers it right. I got some young guys that 467 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:01,600 hammered but I mean, I'm more like, is the ball going where 468 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,700 they wanted to go in the distance there? 469 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,400 Trying to hit it. I think in the end that's the 470 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,200 most Important part for making a living. 471 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,400 I think most of those guys hit it far enough like driver 472 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,200 distances is key, right? But like are they hitting it? 473 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,300 Be a most of those guys, hit it far enough. 474 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:19,300 Now, if you ever found that someone has like, hey, your Club 475 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,200 head speed is down a little bit here this week. 476 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,200 Like, what what's up, do? We have a physical like 477 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,300 something going on physically. Yeah, at the u.s. open at 478 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:29,000 Wingfoot. Lucas was not hitting it well, 479 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,100 on Monday, Tuesday, Monday, in particular ball wasn't going as 480 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,400 far not. As far. 481 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,200 But it wasn't like, it wasn't starting online. 482 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,600 This, that and the other and I was asking to do the things 483 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,300 we've been doing and it turned out, I mean, it was more 484 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:50,300 physical, he flunked cross-country to get their hips 485 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:51,900 weren't moving. He did a bunch of work with 486 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,200 Colby every night, getting treatment and he, you know, he 487 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,500 finished 15th 17th or something. The US Open and was way up there 488 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,000 in ball striking through, you know, through 54 holes. 489 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,600 So, yeah, I mean, I think with really good player. 490 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,600 Hers. It's more likely something 491 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,700 physical than it is just something totally going wrong in 492 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:12,000 their golf swing. Hmm. 493 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,200 What kind of Tolerance should I give myself, right? 494 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,300 If I'm gonna go out and I'm going to do some, do some 495 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:21,000 testing, I want to find out some distances like what should I be 496 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,300 looking for with distance? So let's say I'm hit an 8-iron 497 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:29,200 and it goes, I hit one, you know, 155 and then hit 1168 and 498 00:25:29,208 --> 00:25:34,800 then I hit 1160, like, what kind of ranges do you like to see? 499 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,900 Because I know, A lot of people see really big ranges, right of? 500 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,100 Yeah, they're not good ball Striker so they hit one, a 501 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,000 little fat and it goes 150. And then they pure one and it 502 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,700 goes 168. And then they're like real shit. 503 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,300 How about, you know, like what's going on? 504 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,900 How far do I hit this thing? So that's where I think one you 505 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,300 wear to work on contact. What's in your golf swing? 506 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,000 Not giving you consistent contact or the same contact 507 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,300 every time and you know another thing to I mean and not like I'm 508 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,800 not a huge fitting Geet but some of the equipment out there 509 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,300 that's built to help recreational golfer. 510 00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,400 Hit it Further isn't as consistent with how far the ball 511 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,700 flies, right? Mean, ball jumps more comes out 512 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,200 without spin those types of things. 513 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,600 I mean, I find that, you know, I went through this phase where 514 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,100 this is funny. I mean, like I was playing a 515 00:26:19,108 --> 00:26:21,400 little bit. This is a couple few years back 516 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,000 and I decided to order some irons that were stronger and had 517 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,100 light graphite shafts, because I wanted to hit it further right? 518 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,700 Well, hell, I mean, you know, I normally hit my wedge 130. 519 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,600 I mean, I flew a green with a wedge went like 150. 520 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,400 And then the next time I went 135 because it's like, you know, 521 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,100 that was a you know so like that's great for a guy that's 65 522 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:46,400 or 70 the or 55 that needs a bunch of distance. 523 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,200 But I think also there's trade-offs when you do some of 524 00:26:49,208 --> 00:26:52,400 those things fitting wise, it give you the opportunity to have 525 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,600 some distance. You also have to understand that 526 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,600 a lot of times, I think you're giving up some distance control 527 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,600 that one could be in there. Let's end with this. 528 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,600 So let's say I want to take some of those tactics that to oppose 529 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,000 are using getting my yardages. In check, what's kind of your 530 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400 process for that? How many balls do I need to hit? 531 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,600 Do I throw out ones that I hit badly? 532 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:14,200 Like how do I figure out? Give us a practical step that I 533 00:27:14,208 --> 00:27:17,700 can go do to kind of figure out how to dial in my distances a 534 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:19,800 little bit. If I want to block this one 535 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,600 thing is you want to do it in a minimum number of all's. 536 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,200 I see folks, hit a shitload of balls and there you know then 537 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,100 they get to the five iron and they've hit 70 balls and they're 538 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,400 tired and I don't think those numbers are very accurate and I 539 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,400 think the Same thing happens with driver fitting and driver 540 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800 testing. And I've seen that on tour guys 541 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,200 are, you know, they whatever a driver isn't going well or their 542 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200 drivers non-conforming whatever and they get three bags of 543 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,700 balls. And I don't know that you're 544 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,700 getting very accurate data after you've hit three bags of balls, 545 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:53,100 right? Because you're fatigued and you 546 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,800 never do that on the golf course. 547 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000 When do you hit 10 drivers in a row on the golf course you don't 548 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,600 ever do it. So I think the less number of 549 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,800 balls you could do it. And so I like to do with, I just 550 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,900 tell folks, Is that come to see me? 551 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,200 You know, obviously there's, you know, these launch monitors, 552 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,600 which are fantastic, but I think one key would be to do it. 553 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,600 In Les. Paul's hit three four balls with 554 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,900 each Club. You throw up your throw out the 555 00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:22,000 bad ones like if I chunk it a little bit but want to know how 556 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,600 far do I hit my two or three average shots. 557 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,300 Like that's a good one. That's pretty average. 558 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:28,900 That's good and know what those are. 559 00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,300 I mean if I chunk when I don't know that that helps you a whole 560 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:32,500 lot, right? Yeah. 561 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,200 Mean you're not clubbing. Yourself based On the aspect of 562 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,900 the prospect that you could chunk, 150 yards, some will 563 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,400 climb up. Six clubs in case I chunk it. 564 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000 So, you know, I think you want to know what your average I 565 00:28:45,008 --> 00:28:47,200 always ask folks, I, hey, is that what you would call pretty 566 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,400 good? When if you hit that on the golf 567 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,100 course, would you free pretty happy with it? 568 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,400 And then we like yeah that was pretty good. 569 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,600 Okay, well that went 156, the so-called 156. 570 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,900 You hit these other two and it went 152 and 159. 571 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,700 So I mean that's my variation. And I think it's different based 572 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,500 on people so I try to do it with fewer ball. 573 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,100 Al's get them, to be honest the dummy we like to be hit it on 574 00:29:08,108 --> 00:29:09,700 the golf course will be pretty happy with it. 575 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,900 And then also I mean I'll tell folks like why don't you run out 576 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:18,800 on the golf course you're practicing and go to a par 3 577 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,200 where you you know and shoot the yardage and hit a sleeve of 578 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000 balls. Go up there and see where they 579 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,700 land and the market, you know? And just walk off the distance 580 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,000 difference from what the pain that you shot mean. 581 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200 I think doing some stuff real life on the golf course, may 582 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,800 give you better data or Gametime situation stuff of what's 583 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,700 happening because there's bunkers there, there's water 584 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,400 there. There's when, you know, and you 585 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800 can factor that stuff in last thing before we go. 586 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,200 I remember one more, I've been trying to do some training with 587 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,800 like, launch angle trying to hit windows and try to be 588 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,900 consistent. There's that word again with 589 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:55,500 that and I've found that super challenging. 590 00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:58,200 I'm curious your thoughts on kind of like trying to control 591 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,200 launch angle and stuff because I think that most golfers aren't 592 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200 very consistent with what their impact position is, right? 593 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,500 You know, with the shaft Lean and you know, and there's all 594 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,800 different thoughts about how much of its good and all that 595 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,800 stuff but I think you've got again, go back to contact, 596 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,000 getting the low point to be consistent and getting your 597 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,800 impact position, whatever is ideal for you and you and your 598 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,500 teacher can figure that out argue about it with other 599 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,800 teachers, whatever that needs to be. 600 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,600 But you need to be getting close to the same, the low point in 601 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,000 the same spot and the same impact conditions, more of the 602 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,300 time, and then, you can hit Windows. 603 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,600 That's why tour players are good. 604 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,200 Their impact conditions and positions are very The same 605 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,700 throughout the bag and throughout the shot so they can 606 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,600 control how the ball comes out. But if you're if you don't have 607 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,300 a good pivot and you don't get the club to the same low point 608 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,300 and the shafts not at the same position each time. 609 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,300 I mean, you're probably not going to have the ball come out 610 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,800 the same window every day. Ya know, I find it. 611 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,300 I mean, it's very revealing when you just look at that. 612 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:55,800 Yeah, for sure. It's also. 613 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,600 One of the harder things to teach young players is like mean 614 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,600 to learn to hit Windows because they got to get better at 615 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,100 certain things in their golf swing to do. 616 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,500 Yep. Tony thanks for hanging out. 617 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,200 Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. As always look forward to talk 618 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:08,700 to you soon.