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He's been doing some research 
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generate the clubhead speed that
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is my club head speed. 
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fitness level, Do I have more 
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What if I improve my fitness and
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been working on quick file on 
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Yes I'm a physical therapist in 
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strength coach and basically in 
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do things on my own. 
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whatever their better. 
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everything that we've done at 
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So the problem that we want to 
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to swing the club faster or not?
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Chris has a great story of how 
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So I think any golfer, you can 
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say that it's a 50 year old 
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basically said, hey, I'd like to
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I'm now the shortest guy in the,
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My back hurts. 
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with somebody, we have a bait, 
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look at Movement, we look at you
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around how well they produce 
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So there's three main areas we 
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by the golfer jumped we saw. 
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From a shop up position bumps on
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We see how fast he's swinging 
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It was probably somewhere 
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worked with them. 
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needed a little bit of 
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work and then we came back and 
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He basically, first thing we did
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really upset as Club head. 
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miles an hour, It's not what 
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end of a six-week period, or 
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somebody to keep training with 
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physically. 
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all of those power numbers 
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It improved, we went and looked 
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Every single one of his power 
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our research, we know that each 
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highly correlated with Club head
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So in layman's, Owens turns. 
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power tests go up that person or
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have more horsepower. 
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physically have the ability to 
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And so, because we also known as
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really, we had done our job and 
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Hey, physically, everything is 
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to be an equipment issue or it's
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the next day. 
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You had a lesson on his golf 
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We called her called rap. 
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He for some reason, technically 
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releasing casting a club just 
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little bit more lag again and he
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where he had started. 
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faster than he was the day 
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us. 
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issue. 
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gains he had made, so it allowed
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with that golfer and say to him.
Look physically, everything 

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you're doing here is working. 
You should be able to swing the 

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golf club faster. 
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identify, is it an equipment 
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problem and 24 hours later? 
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and he's a client for life, you 
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guy in his group. 
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information that we had in in 
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and then retest and having that 
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we were able to do from a 
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Save somebody from leaving NG to
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So his client was improving. 
He did some tests and showed 

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that he gotten more mobile, you 
gotten stronger and had the 

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results to prove it but his Club
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you know, a common situation 
like the question that everyone 

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asks is if I get stronger, if I 
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mobile, will I swing faster and 
kind of this data collection 

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process in the way that Chris is
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give more clarity to that 
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And in this situation, when he's
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able to find that Missing Link. 
And so kind of The Next Step, 

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you're asking is what are these 
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What are these assessments that 
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to see what is actually linked 
to Club head speed. 

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Now the tests themselves, you 
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our certification say, these are
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look at. 
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said, hey, this is the 
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between these tests and that, 
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which is a big marker, the lot 
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so, For me to be able to 
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a sense of Integrity, tell 
somebody that hey you got better

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here, you should be getting 
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myself in our training methods 
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actually improving your got your
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We needed something objective 
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reference. 
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of actually collecting and 
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was a relationship between those
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the second question was anybody 
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they get up and they swing NG 90
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look at you and say, is that 
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And really the only numbers that
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you know the LPGA average that 
PGA average but those are the 

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one percent we didn't have 
what's average for a 50 year old

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if they swing 50 miles an hour 
or 90 miles an hour, what 

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percentile are they in among 
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And now we have that for Club 
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each of those tests to you know 
you have somebody with throw a 

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ball and hey that was 20 feet. 
Was that good? 

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And we look at them count. 
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Then Bob with her before you, 
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So I'm not really sure. 
But now we can actually pull out

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the information and say, look, 
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for chest pass and you're at the
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speed. 
Like if all of your physical 

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tests, think it's no surprise 
that you're also at the low end 

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spectrum of your Club head 
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So now we actually have 
objective information and you 

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know every every month we're 
getting more and more data 

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points where it's making it even
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Appellate Out Among age sex you 
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more accurate in terms of how 
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you can be in the numbers and 
where your golfer your client 

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would stand. 
It would you mind dive in and 

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explain exactly what you did the
specific data that you're 

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Gathering? 
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and what kind of Revelations you
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Yes I think if we if we start 
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relationship. 
So we looked at where the three 

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power test So how high somebody 
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seated best past basically they 
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the back of the chair feet are 
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They throw the ball out. 
It said we could use a 6 pound 

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medicine ball. 
Let's see how far they can throw

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it and then we do a standing 
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Put the, they have the ball in 
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of squat and rotate a little 
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could, and then they did the 
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So basically what we do in our 
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clients three times a year. 
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have the that information on 
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relationship of vertical jump, 
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Put both the sides. 
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shot, put of .82, which for 
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in terms of vertical, jump. 
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upper body power and then chop 
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rotary power out. 
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How well can you keep your trunk
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behind weed? 
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measure how strong somebody was 
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core stability. 
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actually had close to a point 
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power measure. 
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that there definitely was a 
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Somebody's anti rotational 
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but then be that they're at 
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How you work with students? 
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can other people utilize this? 
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many ways, I think, the first 
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golfers, or if you're a golfer, 
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trainer, but I think when you 
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core strength, you're going to 
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some form of anti rotational 
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position just tapping the 
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the other with the other side 
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weight. 
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correlation on this list were at
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pass in a .47 of vertical jump 
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seated chest pass .16 so that it
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went down and correlation for 
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we look at this, there's some 
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the one thing that when Chris 
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have as much data as he'd like 
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year old male group. 
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he's hoping with that, you know,
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If we can kind of get this to 
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in this data set to really We 
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action to Rally the industry 
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build this database. 
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something that can be utilized. 
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the numbers and part of it is 
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like, with vertical leap 
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has a very, very strong 
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speed and 16 to In 20 to 30 year
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athletes. 
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predictor with younger kids, to 
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say it's kind of 
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plus or your older golfer. 
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those initial overall 
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between age groups, that's the 
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you're going to know if you 
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going to go by this to your 
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data so that you can date dig in
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Falls and just how important In 
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issue, he was over 50 years old 
vertical had gone up some but 

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the bigger marker of shotput, 
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strongest correlation to Club 
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That it would like skyrocketed. 
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didn't make any sense that this 
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usually test what the driver. 
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them, grab is 7-iron. 
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earlier and a 7-iron actually 
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where you're saying okay, I love
his physical markers. 

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Why is this driver down? 
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is we filmed it in slow motion 
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this the curve in his shaft of 
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And when he was at you know, P5 
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long drive guys after they 
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around them and it's about to 
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I mean, he just, he was putting 
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just force through At shaft, it 
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the shaft. 
He was losing any energy that he

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Once we actually filmed it, we 
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But once we actually filmed it, 
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Well, that makes a heck of a lot
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So that's when from the 
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and got a, you got fitted for a 
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he was up to equivalent 10 miles
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was with his irons because his 
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little bit heavier, and he did 
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You know compared to the guy who
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issue. 
It was more just a technique, he

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was just flailing and losing the
he was losing energy at the top 

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of his downswing because of poor
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he was good to go in terms of a 
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So really in both instances, 
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out the physical elements, as a 
potential reason for a, a less 

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than desirable result. 
We were able to say that, hey, 

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physically, if we look at my 
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High-speed. 
I think I've kind of four main 

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areas to a pie, I think of a, 
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I think you have technical, I 
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And then I think of an ability 
to generate power, which is more

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your strengths and how fast you 
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And so, basically, that I think 
of the physicals come the bottom

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half of that pie with this data.
And this testing, you're able to

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eliminate that hog. 50% of the 
equation in terms of, hey, I 

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know that 50% got better. 
So something else has to be 

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going on outside of you. 
Fitness for medical 

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professionals outside of my 
realm of expertise and I need to

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refer to whoever it is in that 
whether it's Club Fit or whether

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it's a pjl PGA professional, 
they're going to be able to give

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this person the best result 
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So that's really the cool. 
Functional aspect of This 

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research and I don't know about 
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you would go through a reading, 
all research, study more like, 

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okay, great. 
That told me nothing I could 

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actually use. 
So, the goal of this is that, 

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you know, the reason why we're 
making it public to everybody is

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so that you can actually take 
the information. 

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See who your most of us work 
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say, Hey, you know, as I look at
this and I look at other people 

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around the world, you know, I 
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you. 
It's something physical or, you 

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know what, your physical numbers
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but your Club is speeds away, 
Lau, that doesn't match up. 

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There's something going on. 
So maybe that's not in the while

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month of physical, maybe that's 
in the realm of technical or 

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equipment. 
So, so that's really the, that's

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how those stories happen. 
And I think, the more that 

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people are using Information. 
And looking at those things, 

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there's going to hear more and 
more and more of those stories 

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and that's going to help golfers
play, better quicker with a lot 

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less frustration frustration. 
Yeah, so different tests are 

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more important for different age
demographics, different genders.

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How do you figure out like where
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Like so you said for elite 
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like that. 
That the vertical jump is really

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important, so is it all right? 
Hey, Cordy. 

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You It into that demographic, 
you need to work on your 

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vertical jump and if we can 
improve that we can improve your

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speed or how does that work. 
So I think at the end of the day

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it all comes down to the golfer 
in front of you or some people 

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say and of one. 
And yes, let's say you're in 

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that 16 to 30. 
Yes. 

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The data says the vertical leap 
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strongly with Club head speed. 
But I think then you start 

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talking about, you know, some 
ground reaction forces and, you 

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know, are you more of a 
horizontal driver, vertical 

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driver tour No driver. 
If you're a player that is 

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definitely vertical. 
Drive is a huge part of how you 

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generate speed and your vertical
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Yeah. 
That's definitely going to be a 

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huge of huge value to you. 
You know, if you're more of a 

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horizontal driver and verticals 
not much in the picture to the 

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degree that it's going to 
improve it. 

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You know, that's a whole other 
conversation. 

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At least I think the information
starts that conversation of 

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where might the biggest bang for
your buck come from. 

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But I think even before you get 
into the this Stayed in terms of

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how to create power. 
It doesn't matter the age, I 

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think. 
If you can't rotate from any 

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from the four main rotary 
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else really matters you. 
Everything else, how you 

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generate power everything is 
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So you know do you have good 
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rotation? 
Do you have enough, drastic 

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spine, rotation shoulder, 
rotation and neck? 

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Rotation? 
I think if you check those four 

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boxes then the the power stuff 
becomes a way more, fruitful 

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that becomes more of the 
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anybody Fails any of those four 
areas. 

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We actually have a free on our 
website. 

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It's a free home, golf fitness 
assessment that looks at just 

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those four things and you can 
look at, do you pass or do you 

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fail? 
And if you fail those for, 

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that's the low-hanging fruit 
right there. 

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I mean, I've seen huge speed 
can't just Pike, somebody being 

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able to actually rotate more. 
So that's that's the low-hanging

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If you check that box and you 

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don't have any issues there, 
then I think we can a 

451
00:22:52,308 --> 00:22:55,100
conversation like what you said 
if hey, if you're 16 to 30 then 

452
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has the strongest relationship 
The club head speed, that's 

453
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definitely narrow. 
We want to look at and if you're

454
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at it, you know, if you have the
technology to look at 3D Force 

455
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plates and you do create a ton 
of speed by vertical thrust. 

456
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,500
Well, then heck yeah, that's 
definitely where we want to 

457
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,900
focus. 
Yes, I think there's so many 

458
00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:12,500
layers, right? 
When you start talking about the

459
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,100
science of it, but at a very 
superficial level, if you can't 

460
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:19,700
rotate, don't even worry about 
the power yet, you know, at 

461
00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:22,700
least improve your rotation as 
much as you're able to and then 

462
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:24,700
when you start looking at the 
power basis. 

463
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:29,600
Yeah. 450 Plus, you're looking 
more your total rotary power for

464
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:33,300
16 to 30 or more that Elite 
athlete post, post puberty. 

465
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:36,100
You're looking a lot of how 
you're using the ground. 

466
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,100
The interesting that the 15 year
old males. 

467
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:43,200
For instance the Cedar Chest 
pass your upper body power was 

468
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,400
the most related to Club head 
speed. 

469
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,800
So I think when you think of 
younger kids to from an 

470
00:23:48,808 --> 00:23:52,700
instructional level, now over 
the top or chopping down or very

471
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,800
upper body, dominant swing, it 
kind of starts to make sense 

472
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,300
that that's how that Dividual is
going to swing or that's where 

473
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,200
they're going to go for for 
their power if that's why they 

474
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,600
create most of their power and 
they may not necessarily 

475
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,200
understand how to use the ground
yet. 

476
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,200
So I think, you know, going back
to the original question of, 

477
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where do you start based on 
where you are? 

478
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I think you understand where 
your age group tends to derive 

479
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,200
the most power, but at the end 
of the day, you're an N of 1, 

480
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,000
and I think you need to, 
everybody needs to make sure 

481
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,300
they can have that Mobility. 
If you have that, then I think 

482
00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:26,000
you start digging deeper into 
your age group where people tend

483
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,100
to derive the Was power. 
But honestly, what I would look 

484
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,800
at is look at where you stand on
the percentile for each of the 

485
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,900
tests. 
So if your 75th percentile for 

486
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:38,500
chest pass your 75th percentile 
for vertical, put your 25th 

487
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,100
percentile for total rotational,
there's your low-hanging fruit 

488
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,800
in the lower rotate in the 
rotational. 

489
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,000
So that's where you can look at 
yourself across all of those 

490
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200
spectrums and see, how do you 
match up across all of them? 

491
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,100
Are you pretty evenly 
distributed? 

492
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,900
Are you off the charts on a 
couple and off the chart in the 

493
00:24:54,908 --> 00:24:58,200
wrong way? 
Another then you can start to 

494
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,700
get a better picture, blueprint 
of you as a human, another 

495
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,000
golfer and how you move and 
create speed. 

496
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Let's take a look here real 
quick at a couple different 

497
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,400
types of training as well. 
And the final piece of course, 

498
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,300
is study that actually goes into
the final piece of what we found

499
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:16,400
was that we looked at two types 
of training. 

500
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,400
So we looked at conventional 
Based training, which would be 

501
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,300
traditional you go higher reps, 
low weight. 

502
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:25,200
When you start you progress to a
little bit higher weight kind of

503
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,700
medium reps and then you'd go to
Or wraps and high load, we did 

504
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,500
that for a year. 
And then the next year we went 

505
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,000
and we did was called triphasic 
training more, your training, 

506
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,300
The Eccentric phase, which 
would, if you're talking about a

507
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,300
squat what would be the lowering
part of the squat? 

508
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,000
So you do five to seven S 2 
cents. 

509
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,100
Then we moved after that for 
four weeks we moved into 

510
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,300
isometric. 
Where if we use the squad as an 

511
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:51,200
example you pause at the bottom 
of the squat for 3 to 5 seconds.

512
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:53,800
And then we went to the 
concentric phase of movement 

513
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,300
which would be the pushing up of
the squat so forth. 

514
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,900
Thinking about the golf swing 
your backswing, to a degree is 

515
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:02,000
kind of an eccentric, move 
recreating, a little bit of a 

516
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,700
stretch, your transition is a 
little bit of an isometric pause

517
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,800
basically where there's not a 
lot of movement in the, not any 

518
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,800
movement in the joints but 
there's still tension through 

519
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,500
the tissue and then the 
concentric is the shortening and

520
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:16,100
explosion of that expression of 
that power out. 

521
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:19,300
And what we found was that was 
that 50-plus year olds or the 

522
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:23,600
older individual, the elite 
individual had if they did 

523
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:27,400
traditional training, they 
actually saw it. 10% under 

524
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,500
performance across the average 
of all of the people in their 

525
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:32,800
group. 
But if they did triphasic 

526
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800
training, they over performed by
50% in terms of swing speed 

527
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,600
gains. 
So I think when we're talking 

528
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,000
about, you know, as a whole. 
What can we do? 

529
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,500
I think if you're in, let's say 
over 20 and you have some form 

530
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,700
of training experience, even a 
little bit, I think triphasic 

531
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,300
training is something that's a 
type of training that across the

532
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:53,800
board is going to benefit pretty
much every golfer. 

533
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:56,100
The Only Exception would be 
juniors. 

534
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Then we saw a flip of that so 
triphasic training actually 

535
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,800
caught them to underperform. 
The average Club has became by 

536
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,300
12% as a parasitic compared to 
traditional training. 

537
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Would you saw basically a 60 
percent or 50 percent 

538
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Improvement where they actually 
over performed by 37 percent if 

539
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,300
they just did more of that 
conventional training? 

540
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:19,000
So I think the generalizations 
you can take from that or your 

541
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,100
kind of younger golfers or 
somebody who's really new to the

542
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,700
gym, kind of going with that 
traditional or conventional 

543
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,800
training model is going to Ooh, 
very valuable for them in the 

544
00:27:27,808 --> 00:27:31,000
beginning after they have a 
little bit of experience or or 

545
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,100
post-pubescent then I think 
going to a more triphasic type 

546
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:37,700
training at least during some 
part of the year is going to 

547
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,900
give somebody you know, huge 
value. 

548
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,000
And you know and I think you can
look certainly at those three 

549
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,600
power tests across everybody. 
And you can certainly use the 

550
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,500
relationships to clubhead speed 
across everybody. 

551
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,400
I think if you just generally, 
pay attention to that and you 

552
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000
try to improve Early, your 
vertical, your ability to jump 

553
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,300
your ability to create 
rotational power in your ability

554
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:06,100
to create upper body power. 
Everybody's going to get better 

555
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,000
to some, you know, basically, 
when we start talking about 

556
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,600
vertical leap wasn't as valuable
as total rotation on the 50-plus

557
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,400
golfer, that doesn't mean if you
improve somebody's vertical that

558
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,000
it's going to, they're going to 
get better, I think that's when 

559
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,200
you start talking people Geeks 
like me, you start talking about

560
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,000
okay. 
Well how can we get an extra 5%?

561
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,200
How can we get an extra 10% and 
for the Average golfer. 

562
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,400
If you're just focusing on, make
sure you can rotate in the four 

563
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,900
main rotary centers. 
And look to make sure you're at 

564
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:37,400
least somewhat consistent in 
your percentile in terms of how 

565
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,900
you create power. 
If you do those two things, 

566
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,300
those simply those two things 
and then you look at, if your 

567
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,500
prepubescent are younger, you 
know, just to traditional 

568
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:48,800
training. 
If you're older certainly I 

569
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,100
think it's worth looking into 
triphasic training. 

570
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,400
Those three things are going to 
help 90% 95% of golfers out 

571
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,400
there if you're paying 
attention. 

572
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,900
To that and just kind of 
starting to actually not just go

573
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:01,400
to the gym just to do what you 
saw. 

574
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,100
I'm Golf Channel yesterday but 
actually look at you and 

575
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:08,400
understand that where you are in
life, you know, being able to 

576
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800
move from a Mobility stamping 
Point, doing a certain type of 

577
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,100
training is more beneficial for 
you and then also understanding 

578
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,900
that hey I can actually very 
simply look at how well I 

579
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,500
generate power from these three 
areas and if one's really bad, 

580
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,100
the other two are pretty good. 
That's probably an area I can 

581
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,100
work on incorporating into my 
Work out to be a little bit more

582
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,500
specific to me, and how I can 
get better to, you know, hit the

583
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,900
ball. 
A little bit further, be more 

584
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:35,200
consistent and enjoy the game 
on. 

585
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,600
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