1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Have you ever seen someone with a broomstick putter and thought 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,800 is that actually any easier? Well, today's guest has an 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,720 answer. His name is David Orr, he is one 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,360 of the best teachers around. He specializes in putting to 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,560 work with some of the top players like Justin Rose, Hunter 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Mahan, and now I runs the Flat Stick Academy, a great resource 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,920 to learn everything putting. I've always enjoyed talking to 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,520 David over the years because man, does he have some good 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,240 stories, some good concepts and good principles. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,440 And today we're going to learn a few two things. 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,040 But one, his thoughts on the long part of the broomstick, 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,120 like what does he think about it as a teacher? 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,240 And then what I really enjoyed is kind of his taxonomy of 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,480 putting, of like the different styles of putting you should try 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,600 on your journey of maybe conventional is not for you. 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,000 So yeah, we are in the middle of our alternative putting series. 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,720 We've had some great episodes before this. 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,280 Make sure to go back and listen to those. 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,440 And we've got some good ones coming. 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,600 I'm excited to get into today's conversation. 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Let's kick it off with what's your experience with broomstick 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,880 and armlock? Like what? 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,840 Who have you worked with with? What's the process you've taken 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,880 them through? Like let's start start there. 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,240 Yeah, so typically people come to me with, you know, when they 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,680 come to broomstick or or lead our block or any alternative 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,200 stroke, right. You know, I haven't worked with 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,600 too many tour players as far as like broomstick, but I have lead 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,480 arm lock, couple players or whatever. 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,560 Alex Norton comes to mind. He has an interesting, it's more 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,520 like a a wrist lock and then a trail form drive with his fist, 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,680 like he's driving his lead arm. So that's a very important thing 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,480 to distinguish his. I think the industry thinks that 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,480 people only swing the putter when there's a lot of people 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,960 that hit with the putter or drive the handle. 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Like there's more ways to move it than the theoretical 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,320 pendulum. Like I think the industry thinks 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,360 that every putter should be swung, but that's not what I've 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,720 come across with my experience of teaching players. 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,600 You know, I've had a few broomstickers, right? 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,120 Connor Brown, who I work with right now, plays at Alabama. 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,040 He's probably the one of the best at it that I've seen. 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:27,640 And also Marty Gertzen, our friend out at Pang, you know, 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,320 those would be two people I've worked with that and then a few 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,320 other amateurs, you know, club, a lot of club pros that come in, 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,200 you know, they have to struggle with the short ones. 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:42,160 And it's but yes. And then obviously, you know, 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,800 being out on tour for 18 years, 1718 years, you know, when you 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,000 play a practice round with other players, you get to pick their 50 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,960 brain, right? And I'll tell you what's an 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,160 interesting story, if you like stories, this one happens to be 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,680 true. Back in 2015, I was working with 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,920 Justin Rose and we were at Albany on the in the Bahamas. 54 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,240 And if anybody's been there, there's not a lot of play. 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,240 But on the putting green, Rosie and I are working. 56 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,520 And then Adam Scott's there and he goes, Dior, why don't you go 57 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,880 over there and ask Adam how he does his claw, right? 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,640 So I, I felt silly, but I went over, I said Adam, I said Rosie 59 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:31,840 sent me over here to pick your brain on how you do the clawing 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,760 goes. Oh, sure, mate. 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,400 And he spent literally 20 to 30 minutes going through like every 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,880 little detail on his fields, the claw. 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,240 So what? So what's interesting is I went 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,240 over and explained to Rosie's like, let's take the cart back 65 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,600 down to the house, get on the Sam pot lab and let's see how 66 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,200 the graphs look and got on there and the grass, the rotational 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 grass were smooth because I like this. 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,600 I think I'm going to put it in play this week, which is the 69 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Masters. So we show up at the Masters and 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Fooch looks at me like, what are you guys doing? 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,760 I'm set. He's going to do it by the back 72 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,840 nine anyway. And Foley comes up, he goes, are 73 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,320 you guys crazy? You changed his technique the 74 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,200 week before a major. I'm like, hey, you know, he's 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,960 going to end up doing it. So that was and I told him, I 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,880 said, you know, you're probably going to be better on the 77 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 shorter putts, but you're going to struggle with flag putting 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,960 because it's a really different way of holding the club. 79 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,320 And I got thrown on the bus. He finished second that week. 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,280 Jordan's fee. And if he if we hadn't changed 81 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:42,720 it, he probably would have won. And then obviously he's been 82 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,040 working with my friend Phil Kenyon and he started with Phil 83 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,000 Conventional and then Phil saw the same things that, you know, 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,200 when you got him on the Sam pot lab, the stroke was better claw. 85 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,960 And then, you know, Rosie, I've worked on and off with Rosie 86 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,120 from 2012 to 2022 in different roles, different capacities, not 87 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,520 just putting, but just different roles. 88 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,680 And he, he admitted to me, he said, you know, he goes, I 89 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,560 really like my stroke conventional. 90 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,840 He goes, but I don't trust it so much on the short ones. 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,160 And he goes on the when I go claw, he goes feels a little 92 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,120 more mechanical, but I feel locked in, you know, And I think 93 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,880 so he chose the route of I'd rather make all the shorter ones 94 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,680 and then work on my leg putting, if that makes sense. 95 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,480 So I know that's not broomstick and it's not claw, but it's a 96 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,280 great story to lead off with because you know, Adam is 97 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:43,200 probably got the best swinging style of broomstick. 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,920 I think he uses a lot of the same principles. 99 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,920 You know, I think he anchors it with his thumb, but it's not 100 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,120 anchored to the body and he puts his forearm parallel to the to 101 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,480 the line. I think his lead hand grip is 102 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,040 the grip that's trying to keep the butt of the club stable. 103 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,640 And then I think he rocks his shoulders more in a vertical 104 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,680 plane or, or a lateral plane, if that makes sense, which goes 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,600 with the broomstick style, right? 106 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,520 And you know, so and he uses more like momentum or swinging 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,160 and momentum. So swing length and swing 108 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,560 momentum is a key factor in why he's such a good lag putter with 109 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,360 the the long putter, right? But. 110 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Well, let's talk about. I want to talk advantages and 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,640 disadvantages of each one. So let's get right in into the 112 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,000 broomstick like. In theory, it's the simplest 113 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,720 pattern. Why? 114 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:42,920 What? What makes this simple? 115 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,640 Because it's a fixed radius. So let's just take like 116 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:52,440 literally a Lab mez one or an oz 1A shaft becomes a radius 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,520 because it's going right into the center of mass of the club 118 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,640 or relatively close to it. Plus Lab has done a good job of 119 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,160 reducing the twisting to minimal to none. 120 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:06,520 So you got this fixed radius that doesn't twist. 121 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,800 To me that's an advantage, right? 122 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,680 And then and are you? Saying to fix radius because 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,120 this side like wherever you're gripping the broomstick isn't 124 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,760 moving back and forth, it's. Not translating, it's not 125 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,640 translating side to side. And that would be the key to 126 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:28,080 that, to that style is let's keep the butt of the club in as 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,680 tight of a kernel or space as possible. 128 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,920 OK, makes sense now how you power it. 129 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,960 The butt of the club might move if I move my shoulders, but if I 130 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,280 power up my trail side. The key is it is the is a 131 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:48,160 physical radius, whether it's 42 inches long or 48 inches long or 132 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,760 52 inches long, that's just whatever you fit to. 133 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,520 And if you can position your right hand grip to move the 134 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:01,200 shaft in the plane. So a lot of people are, you 135 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,880 know, the the biggest torque in a putting stroke is not around 136 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,040 the shaft, it's in the plane. That's the biggest torque. 137 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,120 That's the most forces are going side to side, not twisting the 138 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,120 club and not moving it out of plane. 139 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,120 You see, I'm saying so you got those 3 axes, XY and Z people 140 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,320 when they are moving the club side to side, that's the most 141 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,120 force, most torque, it's in that plane not twisting. 142 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,480 You know, my thumb and my forefinger can negate any twist 143 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,000 of the club. That make sense? 144 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,919 Well, you've got a putter that's basically a fixed radius. 145 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,679 Yep. If you can keep the butt cap 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,200 relatively in a small little kernel, that makes sense. 147 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Yep. Well you're saying if I'm 148 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,200 hitting a normal putt my putter is moving the the butt end of 149 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,720 this is moving back and forth right? 150 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,480 Yeah, well, that would be do that again. 151 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,200 Now that's translation. So now move the head and the 152 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,280 butt of the club together. So that's translation. 153 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,720 There's no rotation taking place. 154 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Yep, now and move the butt of the club 3 inches back, but let 155 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,760 the club head go 8 or 9 inches swinging. 156 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,120 So we're going. To go, you know, let it rotate. 157 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,280 Now move the butt of the club to the right and swing. 158 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,040 Yes, now you have a planar motion. 159 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,880 You have translation and rotation. 160 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,920 OK, got it. And so this is what's happening 161 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,680 in a conventional. Conventional stroke or Yeah, 162 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,240 yeah, so. It's complex, right? 163 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,040 There's because there's a lot. Of because it's no longer a 164 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,280 single pendulum theory. Yep. 165 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,160 Right, because there's translation involved, right? 166 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,920 So translation just side to side movement, right. 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,320 So rotation would be a pure rotation would be keeping that 168 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,240 butt cap in the same place and letting it rotate. 169 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,120 Go ahead and do that for. Us like this? 170 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,560 No, no, no side by that, Yeah, but keep your see you're moving 171 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,560 your thumb. Don't move your thumb. 172 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:55,360 Yes, yeah. So, so #1 it's a fixed, 173 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,600 relatively fixed radius. I always add the word relative 174 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,840 to those people out are saying, well, I I see it moving 1/4 of 175 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,600 an inch, but it's relatively a fixed radius. 176 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,120 And then if you can apply a torque or a force and a torque 177 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,040 in the plane, it's it's a simple method. 178 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,840 And then let's put that plane at very vertical. 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Yep. So let's say what is it? 180 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,960 Is the rule what 10° or 80? Degrees. 181 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,760 I think it's 80, so everyone does 79 and. 182 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,880 A half 8080, yeah, 80 off the horizontal, 10 off the vertical, 183 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,640 right. So now it's in a vertical plane 184 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,720 and you just start moving everything in a lateral plane. 185 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,360 What that's taken care of? Most of the problems in the 186 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,040 conventional putting, when players start moving the putter 187 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,320 in the horizontal plane, they start looking like this. 188 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,600 Yeah. Does it make sense? 189 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:52,080 So I think and it's legal. So I think in theory it's the 190 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,800 easiest way to putt. But it's is that just that Adam 191 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,560 Scott Lucas Glover style though? Like what about like a Bernhardt 192 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:00,680 I? And. 193 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,560 I going all over the place or. Like, well, if you notice that 194 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:08,120 almost all, almost all, not all, but almost all, they're keeping 195 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,480 the butt of the club in a relatively small space. 196 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,880 OK, now there's guys like Carl Peterson or I think Marty Putts 197 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,760 with his trail arm. So like you can literally hold 198 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,800 that butt cap. Go ahead and do that for us. 199 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,720 And then move your right hand grip down, down. 200 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,400 Now just take the putter back with your right elbow. 201 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,320 And yeah, and that's drive it through. 202 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,640 Just drive, just drive it through naturally. 203 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,880 Don't even think yes, you're pushing it through. 204 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Oh, you're. Saying the whole thing goes 205 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,080 through no. No, no, keep the butt of the 206 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,480 club in the same spot. Just use your right hand and arm 207 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,440 Go. Yeah, yeah. 208 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,560 But the butt of club went back, so you're not the. 209 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,440 You got to keep that right. There you go. 210 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,120 So that's not being swung. It's not a swinging pattern, 211 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,400 that's a drive pattern. OK. 212 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,200 So. You said that a couple Times 213 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Now. What does that mean? 214 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,200 Swing versus drive pattern? Define that part. 215 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,280 It's got angular momentum around. 216 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,240 It's a circular motion, right? It's being a rotational motion, 217 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,760 which is I think a pulling motion or two rotations of 218 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,040 pulling motion versus it being pushed. 219 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,960 So it's almost like you pulled the putter back with your right 220 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,600 arm and you pushed it forward, you are driving the handle. 221 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,880 That makes sense. So I think I think the problem 222 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,360 in the golf industry is everybody has this swinging 223 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,200 pendulum concept. And I'm just here to say that 224 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,560 not everybody swings. The greatest putter conventional 225 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,800 all time didn't swing. He hit it was Tiger Woods with 226 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,680 his trail arm, trail hand he had now he had some swing blended in 227 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,800 with it, which is what I would call more of a hybrid, right? 228 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,520 Carl Peterson, if you look him up, he had some shoulder rock, 229 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,920 but he also had some right arm drive. 230 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,280 That makes sense. So there's more than one way for 231 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,040 the club to move, but I think as an industry, we think of 232 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,720 swinging, we think of pendulum, we think of that swing length is 233 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,200 what controls distance. In a swinging pattern, that 234 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,440 would be true in a drive hold pattern. 235 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,440 Hand speed is what controls distance. 236 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Hand speed would be here. Hold the butt of the club up. 237 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Hold, hold the club up for us. Now just take your right hand 238 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,320 and drive the handle forward. No, the handle, not the head. 239 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,280 No handle, yes, but use it with your right hand. 240 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Drive it. That's what Alex Noren does with 241 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,760 a left hand low grip. Go ahead and do left hand low 242 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,600 grip. OK, now we're now we're standing 243 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,000 up here. We go. 244 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,040 Yeah. Now see, all your fingers of 245 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,720 your right hand are near your forearm. 246 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Go ahead and lock them out. Go ahead and push the handle 247 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,600 forward till it touches your forearm. 248 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Keep going. Touch it. 249 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,000 Yes, yes. Now put your right. 250 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,520 Now you take your right hand and drive that left arm and club 251 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,360 forward. Good. 252 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,000 Now make a backswing long enough to drive. 253 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,840 Yeah, and keep driving it. Yeah. 254 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Now you got to go a little bit longer backswing to drive it 255 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,280 more. You'll see the butt of the club 256 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,000 going forward and up. Yep. 257 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,280 That thing is not swinging. The club's not swinging. 258 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:14,640 Yep, here. You might like this. 259 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,160 I've got I've got props here. We got this ready to go. 260 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,960 I knew this was the. Same thing. 261 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,320 Yeah. So now go ahead and do left hand 262 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,200 low. Do the Alex Nora. 263 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,760 Yeah. Now put your. 264 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,520 Now just drive the butt of the club with your trail arm. 265 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,240 You can even straighten out your arm if you want to straighten 266 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,560 out your right arm through the ball. 267 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,800 See how it's your right elbows bent? 268 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,880 Yes. That's it. 269 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,040 That's driving, huh? Yeah. 270 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,160 So the length of the backswing is not what's determining the 271 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,800 distance. It's the hand speed. 272 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,440 So we got 2 ends of club, we got club head speed, we got hand 273 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,480 speed. Nobody's talking about hand 274 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,920 speed. They might be talking about hand 275 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,040 path, but what about hand speed, Right? 276 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,200 What controls hand speed by arm speed in my torso speed? 277 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,120 That makes sense, yeah. Someone's someone's sitting here 278 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,960 listening and they're like, do I drive this or do I swing it 279 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,880 more? Help me help them navigate. 280 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,240 This great question. All right. 281 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,640 If you're swinging it, do you focus more on length? 282 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,040 OK, so how far the club heads traveling and then do you feel 283 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,600 like it's swinging itself, meaning more momentum? 284 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,560 That makes sense. Or look at your right arm and 285 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,080 right hand and see how active your right arm is. 286 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,520 If you have a very active right elbow and a very active right 287 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,000 hand, you're probably driving the club now when when you 288 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,640 demonstrated the go ahead and demonstrate the the left thumb 289 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,040 on top. Now drive the lower portion on 290 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,720 the club with your right arm. Yep, good. 291 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,440 Just just go ahead and swing it. Just just do a little more 292 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,320 natural than that. Don't even use your shoulders. 293 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,160 Just keep by the club right there. 294 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,960 Keep your left thumb where your left thumb is. 295 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Gosh, it's. Kind of hard to do. 296 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,880 Yeah, that's it. Now that's actually really easy 297 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,680 to do. Now how? 298 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,320 How important is your right hand grip? 299 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,400 Well, I think it's pretty important because it's how we're 300 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,120 applying that force to the. 100 So a lot of guys tend to go a 301 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,560 little bit under. So let's Tommy Fleetwood kind of 302 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,680 right hand a little under. Go ahead, maybe put it in the 303 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,880 web of your right hand. So like this is kind of how I. 304 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,640 Yeah. So look at how your forefinger. 305 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Yeah, let's show us under. Show us under the club turn. 306 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Yep. So that would be like Tommy 307 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Fleetwood make a motion like that. 308 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,840 Yeah, good. Yes. 309 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,640 And your shoulder rocker. OK, now put your. 310 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Now let's go. One finger on top, One finger 311 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,800 across. One finger, one finger across 312 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,520 the top. Across the top. 313 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Yeah, like that. Now move it like that. 314 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,680 OK, good. Now let's put everything behind 315 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,680 on the side of the shaft. So your right arm is going to 316 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,480 change. Now. 317 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,079 Now right hand, turn your pronate your. 318 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,359 Yeah, keep moving your elbow out until it's in plane with the 319 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,920 shaft. Oh, now go like that. 320 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Interesting. So there's lots of ways to 321 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,800 position the right hand. OK. 322 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,680 And it's going to, and it's really important for people that 323 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,240 drive the club, huh? Because if it's positioned too 324 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,440 far under, go ahead. Yeah, under. 325 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,400 So too far under would be like this. 326 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,280 Yeah. And then if you were to drive 327 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,520 your right arm out, it'll move the club out of plane on the 328 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,280 follow through like in to out. OK. 329 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,600 You see that? Like this, we'd be going in to 330 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,040 out, maybe going that way too much. 331 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Your tilting is making it go vertical. 332 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,880 Yeah. Yeah. 333 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,320 And that interesting right now just to do 2 fingers across the 334 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,800 top, like rabbit ears. 2 fingers. 335 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,880 Yeah. And then put your ring finger on 336 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,840 the side. No ring finger on the side, 337 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,640 Yeah, but two fingers, Yeah. Maybe stretch your right hand 338 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,440 down the shaft so your right arm's not so bent. 339 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,680 There you go. Yep. 340 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,120 Now go ahead and control it there. 341 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,560 So there's lots of ways that this can be done. 342 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,600 Does that make sense? Yeah. 343 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,360 Yeah, now how do you? How do you so every, every 344 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,480 conversation I've had with folks, like equipment folks, we 345 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,120 was talking about, there's a, a phase of you got to figure it 346 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,120 out, right? And I, I went through that when 347 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,320 I started, I was just like, we're going to do stuff. 348 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,200 We're just going to hit putts and like figure it out. 349 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,120 Like, how do you, is that what you would say? 350 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:32,160 Like try these different grips, do this, do that. 351 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Like how? How do I figure out what to? 352 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,560 Do I I don't throw stuff against the wall to see if it sticks. 353 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:43,360 Like I kind of knew based on how you were holding it and how you 354 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,240 were moving it, how it should move. 355 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,120 OK. That makes sense. 356 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,400 Yeah. Yeah. 357 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,880 Now let's get back to the simplicity of it. 358 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,600 The broomstick is a fixed, relatively fixed radius. 359 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,680 It is behaving like a single pendulum. 360 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,760 So you want to minimize the translation of the butt of the 361 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,840 club. Keep it in as tight a space as 362 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,680 possible. Even if your shoulder rocking, 363 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:16,320 keep it, keep it in as tight a space as possible, like a tight 364 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,600 kernel. We call. 365 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,840 That makes sense, Yeah. And then figure out can I swing 366 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,600 it. So like Adam, so he's got a 367 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,920 large shoulder motion, so he's got to get length and I believe 368 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,480 he's got a really heavy overall weight. 369 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Like I think his head weight might be slightly heavier than 370 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,480 my overall weight of my gamer, my short. 371 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,520 We had Sam. Sam, I think, said it was 512. 372 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,720 Maybe I'd have to go back. So my Potter is 512 OK with the 373 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 head, the shaft and the pin grip on it. 374 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,320 For me that's heavy because I've always plotted with five O 500, 375 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,480 not the head, the overall weight. 376 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:04,400 So I've been head weights of 340. 335 three 4345 right now is 377 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,680 the heaviest I've been possibly ever. 378 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,200 But that makes sense because now with the with the it's no longer 379 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,160 a single pendulum when you're putting conventional because 380 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,600 every segment and joint behaves like its own little pendulum. 381 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Like can you see my upper left arm swinging relative to my 382 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,960 chest? Well, that's a pendulum. 383 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,680 You see my upper right arm swinging relative my chest, 384 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,560 that's a pendulum, but of the club's translating back. 385 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:38,160 So it's that's why conventional is so it's like a it's like a 386 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,640 scooby-doo mystery, like people can't quite figure it out, but 387 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,480 it's the same plot. That makes sense. 388 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,200 Yeah. So it's you have to Now, the key 389 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,000 thing is when you put conventional, you have to 390 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,040 coordinate all this. And the the finer motor 391 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,240 coordination you have, the better you tend to put. 392 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,120 You're just more precise. The face returns a little more 393 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,560 swearer. So if we get back to the 394 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,440 broomstick, to me, while it's legal and I always say that 395 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,840 because I would have, I would have rewritten the rule. 396 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,560 You would you would have banned it. 397 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,880 I wouldn't ban. I wouldn't ban it, but the way I 398 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,560 would write the rule, everybody would be putting with a putter 399 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,360 that is equal to or less than the shortest club in your bag. 400 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,600 OK. Grip it how you want. 401 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,360 OK. You want to choke down on it and 402 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:30,440 lock it on your elbow? Fine, but it's going to be equal 403 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,720 to or less than the shortest club of your bag. 404 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,240 So what? How Long's your wedge? 405 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,320 How Long's your your log wedge? I don't know just standard 406 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,240 length. What's standard length? 407 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,680 Log wedge? I don't know how long that is. 408 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,240 3535 1/2 maybe 36 but here but then somebody goes well what if 409 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,480 they're 7 foot tall well aren't there overall length clubs 410 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,600 longer? So you got a you got Shaq O'Neal 411 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,840 playing golf and his clubs are two inch over. 412 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,040 Well, OK, well his wedge is 38 inches long, you know what I 413 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,880 mean? So I I would have written the 414 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,440 rule differently. Yeah. 415 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,560 There I that is an interesting part of the story. 416 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,840 OK, so, so broomstick, what we've learned so far is it's 417 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,960 it's it is more simple bio mechanic. 418 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,200 Whoops, sorry you're. Good. 419 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,680 You're good it. It's more simple 420 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,120 biomechanically. It well, it's simpler in theory. 421 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,160 In theory. When you get that upright, it 422 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,400 actually is simpler because the movements are more lateral than 423 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,800 horizontal. It's correcting a lot of the 424 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,680 behavioral issues that players have with short putters. 425 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:43,440 And is this why people go to go to the style when they want help 426 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,480 with their short putts, right? Like it's just the complexity 427 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,200 and the nerves and now this new style helps us. 428 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Look at Lucas Glover. Like I, I've known Lucas since 429 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,800 he was at Clemson, and you want to talk about a great guy? 430 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,000 He's a great guy. OK, yeah. 431 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:05,280 And if you saw his stroke with the short 1, you would feel a 432 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,520 lot of compassion. And now you see how good the 433 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,480 stroke is. Like go look at his stroke on 434 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,080 YouTube. It looks great. 435 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,720 OK, and here's why I think so. You know, some players have 436 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,880 concepts on how they think the Potter should move. 437 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,120 I think going to the long Potter matches how he thought a putter 438 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:31,120 should move. That's what there's no more 439 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,600 conflict in his concept or his fields because now they are 440 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,400 matching what he believed how the putter should move. 441 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,800 So there. And plus, it's a brand spanking 442 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,840 new pattern, probably minimal to no trauma in it, you know, I 443 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,120 mean, and then all of a sudden, guys at that level, like those 444 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,040 guys are the best in the world. And all of a sudden you've got 445 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,400 just this glamour of hope and belief. 446 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,960 And then all of a sudden it's like boom, like they become 447 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,560 soup. Like Superman, Superwoman, 448 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,560 they're unbelievable. Like, even on the LPGA Tour, you 449 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,720 see them get like just that little glimmer of hope and then 450 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,280 boom, it just takes off, right? But yeah, so I, I, you know, and 451 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,480 now as far as like, like Bernhard longer, I mean, I'd 452 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,600 have to see him in person and ask him personally. 453 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,600 So I can't really judge whether he's anchoring or not anchoring. 454 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,440 The thumb is not on the the thumb is not on the the thumb is 455 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,600 not on the the sternum. The question is, is the forearm 456 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,520 touching the PEC? And I can and I can, you can 457 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,360 only see with a shirt like I can't. 458 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,880 I'd have to ask them, you know what I'm saying? 459 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,360 Like you tell me, is it touching your PEC? 460 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,400 What? Well, that's the other style 461 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,600 when people start experimenting with the brooms is do we go, you 462 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,840 know, parallel with the lead arm to the ground or do you do some 463 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,000 kind of more different style, right. 464 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,760 Do you think there's another way or is it like this is the way 465 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,960 you've got to do? I think if I were to shoulder 466 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,760 putt in the lateral plane I would do my arm out like this. 467 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,080 OK. Like like I. 468 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,240 Wouldn't everybody start there? If you're going to try one, 469 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,800 start there. Try start there. 470 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,280 Try swinging it like go watch Adam do it. 471 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,120 Pull up YouTube and watch Adam do it. 472 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560 Matter of fact, there might be a couple videos on the out there 473 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,840 him explaining it because he's very good at articulating his 474 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,120 feels right and what he's trying to do, you know? 475 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:35,440 So try to swing it first and you're going to need arc length, 476 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,360 right? And you're going to need good 477 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,840 timing and cadence to swing the putter. 478 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,200 That makes sense. All I'm trying to say is not 479 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,880 everybody swings the putter. So now what's the second way of 480 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,640 doing it? Second way of doing it would be 481 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,160 the trail hand and arm. And I'm reversed for some reason 482 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720 I'm not. I look left-handed on my screen, 483 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,680 but using the trail arm arm to pull the putter back. 484 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,320 You might need a little help from this side of the like the 485 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,040 right shoulder pulling it up and back, not the left shoulder, but 486 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,960 the right shoulder moving up and back and then let your right arm 487 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,400 do what it wants to do. That makes sense. 488 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,600 But you got to remember you're standing so vertical, like 489 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,720 within 10 degrees, 12°, that the putter doesn't have a lot of 490 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,720 horizontal arcing to it in in the first place. 491 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,200 And it's minimal twisting. So you're not having to manage 492 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,800 that. And then the whole thing weighs 493 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,440 so much that all you got to do is get a little bit of momentum 494 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440 on the downswing and let that sucker let, let it go. 495 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,680 But some players use their right arm, their right hand to push 496 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,800 the bottom of the club right versus the top of the club. 497 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Top of the club we call driving, bottom of the club we still call 498 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,080 swinging with the trail arm, if that makes sense. 499 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,080 But that that's why I think it's so important getting the right 500 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,360 length of the putter and then where, how far down if here, if 501 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:02,880 you, if our listeners experiment how far, how far down the shaft 502 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,600 and how straight your right arm needs to be like that would be 503 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,440 one of the exercises that I did with the guy that does the long 504 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,480 putter. I said, OK, I want you to do it 505 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,320 with your hand up here. OK, now I want you to hit 1/2 506 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,160 inch. Go in 2 inch increments here. 507 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,440 And then we went down every two inches until his arm was 508 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,600 straight. OK, let. 509 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,120 Me demonstrate real quick, yeah, I'm using a short putter, but so 510 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,840 starting with my hand up here, yes, go down to inches. 511 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,760 See my right arm is straightening out, right, 512 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520 straightening out. I mean, where would be the best 513 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,440 place if I could do it? Where would be actually where 514 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,320 the center of mass the club would be balance point wise, 515 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,720 Find the balance point. Like if I could, if I could 516 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,680 really do it, I'd put it there, huh. 517 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,000 And now what? Do you notice it's staying 518 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,440 stable? The button of the club. 519 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,280 You're not. You're not moving. 520 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,640 Yet now if I start to move my shoulders, uh oh. 521 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,200 Now that relatively fixed axis is going through my body, maybe 522 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,440 to my behind my spine, right? But so this is the easiest way, 523 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,000 pushing on the balance point, huh? 524 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,640 But now look at my right arm, right? 525 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,040 I think players are going to do better with their arm longer. 526 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840 OK, you. See what I'm saying and this by 527 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:36,200 the way is to hang also too short, but I think with play 528 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,600 around with different vertical placements along the shaft to 529 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400 find where you want to push from that make sense. 530 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,920 Yes, yes. And even also same thing I'm 531 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880 going to go into swinging you ready? 532 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,080 So it's like it's more my back muscles more of a down, up. 533 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640 Yep. You can see how the right hand 534 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,320 here is not really pushing straightening. 535 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,040 So is the swinging verse driving? 536 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,760 Could we simplify that down to that If you're focused on 537 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,760 rotating your shoulders and back throughout, that's you're 538 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,400 probably doing a swinging motion where if you're staying still, 539 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,880 it's dry, it's more driving. You can water it down that way, 540 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,840 but you still, even if I'm going to drive it, I still got to get 541 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,680 this shoulder to pull the putter back. 542 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,480 OK, because. It's going to feel weird going. 543 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,840 Or I could do it with my elbow. Yeah. 544 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,040 Or you just pull it back with my hand, put my thumb on this side 545 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,840 and go back like that. There's lots of ways to do this 546 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,440 that makes sense. Yeah. 547 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,160 But Adam Scott, I swear, is using more shoulders like this 548 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,520 and much more in the vertical plane. 549 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,400 That's why you'll see like, he's so good. 550 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,320 He's so good. It's almost as if he's just 551 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,040 holding the club with just his left hand. 552 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,920 Yep, that it's funny. It's funny you say that. 553 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,320 I talked to Sam Hahn and he said that's a drill that Adam does is 554 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,880 he just puts with his left hand. Yeah. 555 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,800 So that would be, we'll call it the Adam Scott drill then, but 556 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,800 you can see now the length of the stroke is and then the 557 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,280 momentum. Yep. 558 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,840 See, it looks like a swinging motion even with a heel shafted 559 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,920 88-O2. Yeah. 560 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,000 Yep, now my thumb is keeping it from twisting. 561 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,160 Right. That makes sense. 562 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,320 Yep. So boom, boom, yeah, put the 563 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,520 right hand behind. Just sit here and practice going 564 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,760 boom, boom, right? So if you can, if you can do 565 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040 this drill with coordination, then you just find where you 566 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,760 want to be with your right hand grip. 567 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,040 You see what I'm saying? Now I'm probably guessing a 568 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,480 longer right arm that way because you got to remember, the 569 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,760 more the arm is bent, the more it can straighten. 570 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:58,320 If it already starts, starts out with say bent 10° and then my 571 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,880 wrist is extended a little bit of ulnar deviation. 572 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,440 So extension ulnar right now my arm's not going to participate. 573 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,000 It's not going to interfere with that. 574 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,120 Plus the elbow is going to clear the rib cage better. 575 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,920 Yep. You see that now? 576 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,600 If I get my elbow here, that might be the worst place to put 577 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,760 it. See how my elbow is on my side 578 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600 scene? That could be the worst place to 579 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,640 put your right elbow in golf because what's going to happen 580 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,280 is your trail upper arm is going to Roundhouse. 581 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,120 You see, Watch my bicep, my upper arm, it's going to want to 582 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,080 leave that position. That's why from here it's got to 583 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,760 feel outward when you're everywhere Here, the drive is 584 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,200 outward and that closes the face. 585 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,200 This movement right here is the this right here is the biggest 586 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440 problem in conventional as well as lead hand low. 587 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,360 It's the, it's the, I think Steve Elkington called it The 588 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,160 Dirty bird. There's the wing. 589 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,080 Yeah, you don't want a lot of you don't. 590 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,880 You're going to get some internal rotation, but you don't 591 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,320 want a lot of it. That makes sense. 592 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,720 So I think for our listeners reviewing, this stays stable. 593 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,760 Do I do the Adam Scott drill, right, that's what swinging is 594 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,280 going to feel like. Or do I take it back with my 595 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,720 trail shoulder back and up, pulling the thing, and then let 596 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,680 my right hand and arm drive it through? 597 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,840 Yeah, or just the right arm. What I think the the key part if 598 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,120 with the drive that you said, which I resonate with is the if 599 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,480 you're extending your right arm, right, if you see that 600 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,040 happening, then you're driving it through. 601 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,800 You're not swinging. Yeah, OK. 602 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,480 A lot of a lot of advantages You you've done a great job selling 603 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,880 broomstick putters, so. So we should so and then let's 604 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,680 talk about the putter. I think there is no better 605 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,960 design and a lot of people think I'm anti 0 torque, I'm not I'm 606 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,680 360° of torque. I think there's an advantage at 607 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,840 0 face balance to me is 90° of toe hang. 608 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,360 Yeah. Toe down is 180. 609 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,440 There is a company that has made a putter that is face balance 610 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720 face down. So now the putter is pointing at 611 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:27,840 all four points of the compass near here, here and here on 612 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,840 360°. Now this putter here and this 613 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,440 putter here is for somebody, but not everybody. 614 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,880 But the problem is we've been playing golf just in this 615 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,480 quadrant alone for how many years? 616 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,560 All of the years. Yeah, from east to South, right, 617 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,440 Like like a ping putter's there, right. 618 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,760 So face balance to me because the putter, first of all, 619 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,440 they're showing you with the shaft horizontal and the 620 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,080 revealer shows you the shaft at an angle. 621 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,600 So it's not a fair fight. Makes sense. 622 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,400 Even my thumb and forefinger alone. 623 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,320 Why isn't this? I'm just holding this with my 624 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,560 thumb and my forefinger. Why isn't it going? 625 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:18,840 Why isn't the toe flowing open? Because it doesn't take much to 626 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,840 negate the torque. So the torque is actually face 627 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,639 awareness. It's face awareness now. 628 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,120 Interesting key. This is a note for our 629 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,560 listeners. When you go from center shafted 630 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,440 to heel shaft and lots of toe hang, you want the overall 631 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520 weight of the head lighter because it's going to feel 632 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,280 heavier. The inertia feels heavy. 633 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,480 Got it. As you go towards center shafted 634 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,199 and 0 torque, you want to have your head. 635 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,280 You need to understand that relationship because if I showed 636 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,440 you a 0 torque blade, which my good friend David Frisch from 637 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,280 Goodwood Golf made like, what would it feel like in a 638 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,920 conventional blade? Can't feel the head period. 639 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,720 Feels like just just a shaft. So when you go 0 torque, you 640 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,120 must go have your head. Makes sense. 641 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,640 And as you go towards back towards toe hang, you might want 642 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,880 to ease off on the headway. So the worst thing I see 643 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,160 sometimes is somebody comes in with a heel shafted mallet and 644 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,080 the head weighs 365 and they're wondering why they can't get the 645 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,360 face to come back to square. It's because there's just too 646 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,680 much mass in the head. Absolutely. 647 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:39,440 To me the Mez 1 Max is that correct versus the oz one dot I 648 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640 with the steel insert which I think's a big deal. 649 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480 You're coming up short with the grooves. 650 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,200 Consider changing to the to the insert with the steel insert 651 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,680 with a milled face, give you a little more ball speed. 652 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,520 And I think Sam would agree with this that the the initial 653 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,920 aluminum with grooves there's there's a tendency towards a 654 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,160 slow ball speed, which would be great if you remember it, 655 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:06,920 Oakmont or Augusta or Seminole, right? 656 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,800 But if you're playing on slow Bermuda greens down at the 657 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,880 beach, you know, you might want to have a hotter face, if that 658 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,000 makes sense. So do you know the new HS? 659 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,040 The heel shafted loud? Does that come with the insert? 660 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,240 I think so. Yeah, it'd be, it'd be 661 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,840 brilliant. And then what I'd like to see 662 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880 them do. And if Sam's listening, why 663 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,040 don't you put this stainless insert on the directed force? 664 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,600 Yeah. Now you want to talk about 665 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,560 really good for lead arm walk which we need to go into now. 666 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,240 Well, before we do that I do, are there any? 667 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,920 What are the broomsick disadvantages? 668 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,680 Like what? What can people besides people 669 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,840 hating and comments on YouTube videos about how? 670 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,760 It's all about coordination. How good is your coordination? 671 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,680 Right? So if lie angle balance means 672 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,320 that you can keep the lie angle from moving out of plane, that 673 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,080 makes sense. So none of that technology works 674 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,840 if you have a non planar stroke. Do not use lie angle balance or 675 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,200 zero torque putters if you're putting stroke is non planar. 676 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,600 Non planar means. Do you see how this thing is 677 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,560 going everywhere it wants to go? That makes sense. 678 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,440 Guess what you probably should be using? 679 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440 I'm holding it up right now. OK. 680 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,320 These putters like to go shallow or low and inside. 681 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,360 That's just the design of them. They just love to do this. 682 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,640 That makes sense. Yep, which the broomstick is a 683 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,440 planar because it's simple. Yeah, yeah. 684 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,200 It's just, it's so like center shafted you just go, you know 685 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,120 what I'm saying? So you could, but the problem is 686 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,880 most of the training aids are too flat. 687 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,360 Like it's the shaft plane needs to be set at what the, if you're 688 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,400 talking the zero, the lab right with the, the shaft axis goes 689 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,160 through the center mass or even overshoots it a little bit. 690 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,320 But you know anything that's a linear vertical? 691 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,800 That makes sense. Fairly planar. 692 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,880 But if you have a non planar stroke, meaning your shaft arcs 693 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,960 too, not just your sweet spot but your shaft arcs, don't use 694 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,560 these Potters. But. 695 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:25,040 The directed force, yeah, boy, if that had a different face on 696 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,200 it. I actually have a couple here. 697 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,680 I actually have a couple of the first ones that Mister Pressy. 698 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,320 Sent Yeah, we'll see. We'll see a bit of a. 699 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,400 So I actually have eleven of these, not two of these. 700 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,040 The original. Yeah, with the forward press 701 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:49,560 shaft and the micro angling back and if I were to put a claw, I'm 702 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,760 using this. But again, it's how like do you 703 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,320 see my right arm and elbow there? 704 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,720 And. Then I'm putting my forefinger 705 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,960 down the shaft because this is going, this is the only grip 706 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,880 that goes in my lifeline. Every single one else goes this 707 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,480 way. Like the pin grips are here. 708 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,520 So look at I'm, yeah, I mean they're there. 709 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,040 I am. And then I'm going to make sure 710 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,360 the ball positions forward because of the offset, the 711 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,600 onset, excuse me, and then the shaft. 712 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,760 And then from here, I'm probably going to swing it with my 713 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,880 shoulders and then I might have shoulder and a little bit of 714 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,480 right hand, right arm with this motion. 715 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,480 So it's like if I were to go to claw and I'd either do this one 716 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,400 or I'd do the axis one, which is the one that Rosie Rosie did. 717 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,120 That makes sense. So now lead arm lock again. 718 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,560 Now the radius is offset so it's no longer in the middle of my 719 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600 body. It's there's got to be is there? 720 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,960 Let me take a guess. Is there a lot of translation 721 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,440 then happening in lead arm lock because it is moving? 722 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,840 Because the arm is translating. Yeah. 723 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,800 Right. So the butt of the club is 724 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,040 translating. So now the radius is somewhere 725 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,680 in space up by your lead lead between your lead elbow, lead 726 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,320 shoulder. But the radius is now it's more 727 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,600 of a brush stroke, like low, high. 728 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,240 OK. Because the radius is no longer 729 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:22,320 in the middle, it's offset, meaning my hands are offset, 730 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,360 which gives us a clue what kind of halls should we have. 731 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,840 Probably offset with the correct amount of loft. 732 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,800 And then the shaft lane. That's up to you. 733 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,320 And if you want to feel more locked, you probably want the 734 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,400 the two degree shaft lane or the wrist lock grip that you just 735 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,200 showed. So do you want to lock out that 736 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,480 radius and then drive it? You know, like driving it? 737 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,440 See, I'm you can see that I'm just driving my hands forward. 738 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,840 Yep. How active is my right arm? 739 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,240 You see what I'm saying? What it has to it, it does that 740 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,560 in a in an arm lock or you can go probably either way, right? 741 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,360 Can you do keep it more passive or you could do more? 742 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,520 Than any drive through exactly. OK. 743 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600 Yeah. So I find it interesting and I 744 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,800 don't know if I'm correct on this or not because it didn't 745 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,120 Adam win his Masters with a short putter. 746 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,120 I think he did. I can't remember. 747 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,240 I think he did, but I think JJ Spawn might be the first guy to 748 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,080 win with 0 torque. He owes, yes. 749 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,880 Yep. Yeah, so how cool is that? 750 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,080 And he's left hand low. Yep. 751 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,760 So what's funny is these alternative putters are matching 752 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,240 alternative techniques. They might not be a match with 753 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:40,240 certain conventional techniques, but they they have a place in 754 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,600 the market. Does that make? 755 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,520 Sense. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 756 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,480 So. I've come to, I've come to the 757 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,640 realization like I'm not fighting this anymore. 758 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400 Yeah. If you can aim your lab and you 759 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,800 can return it square and you don't have speed problems, I 760 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,280 ain't saying anything about your putter. 761 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,560 You can see on my feedback on my Facebook feedback or Facebook 762 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,520 page, like there's plenty of people that I'm giving a lesson 763 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,120 to have a lab putter. The only people I'm taking the 764 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,800 lab out of their hands if they're struggling with their 765 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,080 speed. So here's a special note. 766 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,200 If you see yourself short and left, short and left, short and 767 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,960 left, there's a very good possibility that the ball speed 768 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,120 is too slow off that face and that that zero torque is 769 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,360 reducing the rotation in the back swing. 770 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,760 You're putting that normal force into it and it's going left. 771 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,360 So you got the short lefts. It may be a mismatch that makes 772 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,080 sense. So what? 773 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,640 We're going to guess they came from a toe balanced. 774 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,120 They might have. Scotty Cameron like at 1:35, 775 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,000 right? Yeah. 776 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,040 And so I think people that tend to have that pattern short and 777 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,520 laugh, short and laugh, short and laugh. 778 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,400 And then you put a little bit a little bit of toe hang like 9090 779 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,400 or 100 or whatever, 10° off face balance like boom, it matches 780 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560 right. But lead, lead hand. 781 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,640 So I find lead hand low lead arm lock. 782 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,240 I would probably be doing this one. 783 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:17,480 And didn't they make one that had a smaller footprint? 784 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,840 Is that the DF 3? There's we got the DF 3. 785 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,240 Yep, they they've got that one. So I actually designed my first 786 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,080 two putters with David Frisch and Goodwin Golf, and they were 787 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,360 not blades. One was a absolutely beautiful 788 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,240 wide blade. It's gorgeous. 789 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,240 I stole every good looking concept from Cameron and 790 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,120 Bettinardi and all these custom guys and said OK, I'm going to 791 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,280 put these all into one putter and it is absolutely gorgeous. 792 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,360 Interesting. OK. 793 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,080 I'll be text it to you and I don't know how good you are. 794 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,200 How can I? OK, what's the website? 795 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,680 Let's pull it up. We'll, we'll no. 796 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:53,720 It's not on. It's not. 797 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,160 It's not for sale yet. It was just designed. 798 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,680 OK. But I'm going to send it to you 799 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,600 via text and then we're going to see how good you are at at 800 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,320 posting this. Yeah, we'll pull it up. 801 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,440 We'll pull it up on the screen here. 802 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,760 So it wasn't a blade putter. See everybody thinks I only fit 803 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,840 blade putters. I don't. 804 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,240 I just wanted to design my own non blade putters. 805 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,080 That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. 806 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,040 Yeah, so I just sent you 23D prints. 807 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,080 OK. Of what they would look like and 808 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,480 if you can pull them up on the screen, that would be really. 809 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,920 Cool, I am going to try. Well, anyway, yeah, so lead hand 810 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,280 lock, elite arm lock, it was great. 811 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,480 So in 2022, Saint Andrew's British Open, I was with Rosie 812 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,840 and we were playing practitioner with Bryson Dechambeau and 813 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,040 Bryson was showing me how he does it. 814 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,520 Yep. You know, again, a very upright 815 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,080 plane elite are and then he torques his he torques his upper 816 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,400 arm and lower arm against each other, right. 817 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,040 And then he's a golf machine guy. 818 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,960 So he knows what tracing a straight playing line is. 819 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,320 That makes sense. And then he's got like a lot 820 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,280 lots of shaft lean, but also lots of loft. 821 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,560 And doesn't he use a sick putter that has the variable loft? 822 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,000 I think so, Yep. Yep, and whether you hit it high 823 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,640 on the face, middle of the face or low, there's different planes 824 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:25,360 with the loft, which is a pretty nifty technology. 825 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,320 I think Steve Patterson back in the day like in 2013, 1415, I 826 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,080 think he owned sick. I don't know if he still does or 827 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,040 not, but he had showed me that technology and that's pretty 828 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,360 nifty. But you know Bryson, if you, if 829 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,120 you'll notice, so a lot of times with lead arm lock, you will see 830 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,560 because the radius is here, you will see a lot of head movement 831 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,200 up and back. That's good behavior for lead 832 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,680 arm lock. That's good behavior for lead 833 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,440 hand low. We don't want to see the head 834 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,080 floating and the torso floating toward the target. 835 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,280 So typically when the radius is locked out, you'll see tilting 836 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000 like that's normal. So, you know, Brad Faxon was a 837 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,520 good friend of mine and he goes, he goes and I have his 3D data, 838 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,480 you know, like the body data. And he's like Dior, my head 839 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,040 moves back. I'm like, no, your head moves 840 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,200 back the most and you're the best because he actually sets up 841 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,440 open and tilted that goes together. 842 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,440 And then when he goes through, he really he tilts his head as 843 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,360 he's turning his head and then he tilts his spine so his head 844 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,360 moves the most. So keeping your head still is 845 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,760 not a fundamental. We just don't want your head 846 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,280 floating forward. We don't want it dropping or 847 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,440 extending too early. Like it needs to be fairly 848 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,800 stable up till about impact and then after impact, the good kids 849 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,360 heads move back. So did you get my text there? 850 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,320 Did or no? Did they come in? 851 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,440 Said Red. So you've seen what they look 852 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,440 like? Whoops, you're on mute. 853 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,720 Sorry, we're get, we're going to get these pulled up here. 854 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,520 Oh, this is not ideal, but we're going to we're going to do it 855 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,920 anyways. OK, so here you go. 856 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,120 Oh wow, boom, they're not blades. 857 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,520 Not blades. Tell us what? 858 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,760 What were you working on here? What are you? 859 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,000 What are you doing? So I've always felt like the 860 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,560 footprints are too big. OK. 861 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,640 Like even on the #7 So David Frisch is a good friend of mine 862 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,960 of Goodwood Golf Company and he and he does make long putters 863 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,720 for Longbow. OK. 864 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,480 Longbow's a good friend of his, that company. 865 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:45,920 He makes long putter putters all the explorer I believe or, or 866 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,040 something, but you can look those guys up. 867 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,880 But so I go up to his garage in Maryland and we're literally in 868 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,200 the middle of nowhere and he's like, yeah, I want 2 new designs 869 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,480 to put on my website. And he goes, I want your, your 870 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,080 thoughts? I'm like, OK, I think the 871 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,720 footprints are too big. So this is actually a shorter 872 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480 wide blade. I also put you can't see it 873 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,880 from, but down the line it has the toe has some rise to it, so 874 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,400 it looks like the toes in the air, but it's sitting clutch 875 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,080 makes sense. And you'll notice that we 876 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,000 radiused everything like look at the shoulders and the bumpers 877 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,040 and everything's soft. So I did the same thing with the 878 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,560 number seven. Look at there's the only thing 879 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,440 that's a straight line is the face. 880 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,240 Explain everything has been radiused. 881 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,520 That makes sense. Now that's a smaller #7 than 882 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,920 you're used to seeing. OK. 883 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,320 That's and we're using either a post or a hole for a single 884 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,400 bend. I wanted to see a number seven 885 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,200 with a single bend and we trim the the shaft a certain maybe an 886 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,280 inch or two to get a certain desired toe hang. 887 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:05,760 So this will be a 10 to 2020° toe toe hanging number 7. 888 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,320 And I got to pick the names. So the model on the left is the 889 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,800 DO 11. It's the DO David or 11 is my 890 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,000 favorite number. It's what I wore in most of my 891 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,480 jerseys in high school. DO 11 wide blade that looks so 892 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,880 good. Now keep in mind these are 3D 893 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,480 prints. These are not metal. 894 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,840 These are not the finished product. 895 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,360 The other one we call the MF7. Now, MF for a lady would be a 896 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,840 mallet fanged #7 so if you're selling it to a lady, it's an 897 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,480 MF7, it's a mallet, it's got the fangs and it's a #7 model, so 898 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,840 MF7. Now if I were selling it to a 899 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,120 guy, it's an MF7, yeah. I like. 900 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,880 That David and I kind of always joke about, yeah, you know, how 901 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,320 many of those MF sevens are you making, right? 902 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,400 So, but it was fun. It was fun to really learn to 903 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:10,280 get on a CAD system right to, to really understand what goes in 904 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,880 to you start with a basic shape on a CAD, just like you would 905 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,080 have built a steel. But rather than wasting money on 906 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,920 trying it out on steel, we David used a 3D printer because it's 907 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,560 saving me what, 60 bucks a steel, you know. 908 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,440 And the cool thing is, is once you get the 3D print, you put a 909 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,440 shaft in there and you get an idea what it looks like size 910 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,360 wise, shape wise, radiuses and all that cool stuff. 911 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,920 Then when he decides that, OK, I think we got it, then you run a 912 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,480 one off. So then you put it through the 913 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,040 CNC machine and it takes a lot of time and then all of a sudden 914 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,920 you actually have the first one one. 915 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,880 So it was fun because learning to locate the center of gravity 916 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,880 of the cloth relative to the center of the face relative to 917 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,520 the shaft, that relationship is what makes putter designs. 918 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,600 Putter designs. Yeah. 919 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,440 It's not just what it looks like. 920 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,440 There's a whole, you know, where's the shaft going to be? 921 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,040 Where's the center of the face going to be? 922 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,080 Where's the how high is was the depth? 923 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,160 Oh, by the way, I'm on MF7. Do you know how ballots tend to 924 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,920 be shallow faced in our mass? Now, this is the same height in 925 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,160 the middle of that. MF7 is the same height as your 926 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,720 Scotty Cameron. And the center of mass is 927 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:35,000 forward and it's higher, so you don't have to lift it. 928 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,560 You know how Rory misses some putts a little thin as the 929 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,480 putters, like lifting on a mallet. 930 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,440 The center of masses tend to be low. 931 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,760 In fact, you actually have to have some lift which creates 932 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,760 more rise angle and maybe occasional low hit strikes. 933 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,000 So same thing, you know, Now what's interesting is if I were 934 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,160 to make that MF7 for a long putter, you want a bigger 935 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,200 footprint. So the smaller footprint is 936 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,080 actually for the conventional. But it just I just wanted to 937 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,400 spell that David Orr only only does blades because that it's 938 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,640 out there that David Orr only does blades. 939 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,760 So I didn't want my first design to be a blade. 940 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,960 It's more of a wide blade or square back. 941 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,360 And my second design is a mallets an MF7. 942 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,640 You know, now I'll go back with David and let's, I don't think I 943 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,320 can do a better blade than David. 944 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,480 David Fritch has two models, One's the G61's, the G71 looks 945 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,600 like an answer to and one looks like an conventional answer, you 946 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,800 know, rounded. So it's one's more squared off 947 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,440 on more rounded. And then he's put his little 948 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,880 touches on it like removing some ledges and things like that. 949 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,880 But it's, we were talking on the phone, like pretty much every 950 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,320 geometric, geometric shape has been made like to really like 951 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,600 come out with a new design. It's like everybody's copying 952 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,880 something from everybody, if that makes sense. 953 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,960 And you look at the lab, right? So the lab has gone from the 954 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,400 directed force, right Footprint. It's large. 955 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,120 They've made a smaller footprint. 956 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,520 You look at the the Mez 1, I think at first it had a big 957 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,960 footprint, then they had a smaller one, I think, and then 958 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:31,760 the Oz one, right, which is more malady looking more like in the 959 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,840 D shaped family. You know, it'd be interesting to 960 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,240 see if they make a smaller footprint of that one and 961 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,560 they've done the heel shafted one now, which I haven't seen 962 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,400 yet, which technically isn't heel shafted. 963 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,360 It just means the Hazel, the shaft still, I think going 964 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,720 really close to the center of mass and they might have tricked 965 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,480 some weight in the heel or whatever to make it lying a 966 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,000 balance, but it's not truly heel shafted. 967 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,920 Heel heel shafted is my this is heel shafted. 968 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,680 This is shafted. They're just got a a post that's 969 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,080 located toward the heel. That's a certain hot Hazel 970 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160 height, which by the way, that's another way to get rid of toe 971 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,880 hang is changing the height of the Hazel. 972 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,000 And that's what we did with my custom blade that David made me. 973 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,120 We went with a custom, you know how you got like maybe an inch 974 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,960 and a quarter height of a plumber's neck versus like 3 975 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,240 inches, right? You know, so it's interesting, 976 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:43,640 but lead arm lock, I think like lead arm lock, claw is a deadly 977 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,960 combination. OK. 978 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,360 Think of Webb Simpson. Yeah. 979 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,200 Like you're locking in the radius again and then again, 980 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,880 what are you doing with this trail hand? 981 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,360 You're just trying to put force and torque in the plane, right? 982 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,640 So if there's a common theme between broomstick lead arm 983 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,880 lock, it's a fixed radius. It's you are trying to control 984 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,200 the butt end of the club as well as the head end. 985 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:15,720 That makes sense and I think. Disadvantages Marty talked about 986 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,800 with Armlock a lot was leg putting being more difficult. 987 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,760 Yeah. Tell tell us about your thoughts 988 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,320 on that. And I mean, is that why we don't 989 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,960 see more people doing it? Because it is less than you? 990 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,040 Got to get the lock correct. So Alex Noren took a lesson for 991 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,880 me on tour a couple years ago and he goes to me and goes, you 992 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:44,920 do, you know, I got the most RPMS on Quintic, Like he's got 993 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,720 the most RPMS. And I said, oh, that's great. 994 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,440 How you doing on your uphill left to riders? 995 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,880 He goes, that's why I'm that's why I got a lesson with you is 996 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,720 why I said because you're launching them into the slope 997 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:02,120 and into the Bermuda grain and the ball is hopping and you're 998 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,920 judging your distance off that hop. 999 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,680 I go, how much left do you got? He goes 3 and I said, well, your 1000 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,560 shaft lane looks like it's more than three. 1001 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,520 So you got negative loft into, into a slope into friction. 1002 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,720 There's a wall like the ball hits a wall of grass and then it 1003 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:23,160 bounces. So how good is that RPM when 1004 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,160 you're, when you're launching it into a slope with high amounts 1005 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,680 of friction, it's not helping you. 1006 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,720 So he goes, well, how much loft do you think I need? 1007 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:34,760 So I, I had him on my Capito and I know what a shaft lean was and 1008 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,120 I said, well, the minimal amount, I think a shaft thing 1009 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,240 was 4°. Now I think about, I said, well, 1010 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,560 I like to see a launch of about two degrees. 1011 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,320 So what's 4? What's 6 minus or 4 four, 4 + 2, 1012 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,400 you go 6. I said that's what lost you me 1013 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,120 because I don't know if I can do that because now you're Sacr, 1014 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,200 he's going to reduce some of his what RPM is going to replace it 1015 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,720 with a better launch and he's going to have a higher launch 1016 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,800 speed. So what's interesting is I think 1017 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,040 Paul Hurrians on his quintic, like if you get a green number, 1018 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:16,880 if it's 1.75 launch, but that would be like on a artificial 1019 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,840 surface. We're we're playing golf in a 1020 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,000 real world with grass. Biv Waden did some great talk 1021 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,920 about going from artificial to real grass. 1022 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,560 If you ever get an opportunity, you should interview him on 1023 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,960 artificial versus real grass. That'd be a good topic. 1024 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,480 Yeah. Biv Waden. 1025 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,800 So what's interesting is I think Scotty kind of is intuitively 1026 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,680 right, like they're out there in the POA country, right in the 1027 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,000 fescues. Like I think the launch angles 1028 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,360 got to be up there more like 2 1/2 three. 1029 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,800 You know, I'm saying like the the taller the wall is of the 1030 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,480 grass that you're launching into, the more loft you need. 1031 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,280 Makes sense. So what's funny is when I used 1032 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,280 to do a Dell putters, I had a two degree loft of putter, but I 1033 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,880 tend to have 1 1/2° of shaft length. 1034 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,680 So now I'm launching it at 0.5. Well, I had that toppling Alex 1035 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,600 Noren RPM bounce. Yeah. 1036 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,240 Oh, it looked good. Yeah, right. 1037 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,480 And what's funny is I'm all the way back to playing like 3 1/2 1038 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,400 degrees. So 3 1/2 -, 1 1/2 is 2. 1039 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,880 So I'm launching most of my putts at 2:00 and then I used to 1040 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,200 hit a lot up on it. Now I'm move the ball back 1041 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,720 closer to low point but not quite a ball still left a low 1042 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,880 point. It's just only like an inch inch 1043 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,200 and a half left a low point. I'm almost launching it more 1044 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,160 now, like a knuckleball like 2 up with a two degree loft. 1045 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,880 Like I'm launching it with the least amount of spin. 1046 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,600 That makes sense. I could be totally wrong but 1047 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,200 I've seen my personal lag putting get better, so lofting 1048 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,320 up, not lofting down that makes. Sense if someone's like oh man 1049 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,480 this is super interesting how how would someone check this if 1050 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,280 they're what tech do they need to check if the. 1051 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,040 How they're launching is the Quintech. 1052 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,240 Paul Hurian is the guy. Like, have you ever interviewed 1053 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,400 him? No, I don't think so. 1054 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,360 Well, there's a second topic. Doctor Paul Hurian is the ball 1055 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,320 roll expert. His system is worldwide the best 1056 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,800 when it comes to ball roll launching, if you know, if 1057 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,360 that's what you like to get fit for his ball roll, he's the guy. 1058 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,040 I would say of all the fundamentals that that's the 1059 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,960 least knowledgeable. I am, if that makes sense. 1060 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:43,760 But I've come to appreciate like the change, you know, so and a 1061 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,480 lot of my launch stuff comes from Biv Waden and Biv. 1062 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,240 And I were talking about this. I said, yeah, I've been moved 1063 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,920 the ball not as far forward, moved it back. 1064 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,080 It's still in front of low point in my rise angle used to be like 1065 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:02,120 4, I don't know, 3-4 to 5°, but I'm putting really bad brushing 1066 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:07,200 up five degrees and I've moved it back to almost like 2 and 1067 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,000 they'll deliver. Loft is 2 and like man, I'm, I'm 1068 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,440 getting some good ball speed now. 1069 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,080 It's probably launching with no spin. 1070 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,160 Or little spin, if that makes sense. 1071 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,920 Yeah. Yeah, So I, I think it's 1072 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,240 interesting, so. Let let me bring us back to 1073 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,520 armlock here. So we, we kind of talked about 1074 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:32,160 how it works a little bit. Who would you say should try a 1075 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,280 long putter? You should try armlock like 1076 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,040 what? How would you guide someone if 1077 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,880 they're? It all depends on coordination. 1078 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,440 Like that's the reason why you're going to these is you 1079 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,080 lack the coordination with the short one right now go to lead 1080 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,840 arm, go to left hand low. Actually go to claw before left 1081 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,160 hand low. So let's let's give it an order. 1082 01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,840 I've been caught with a short 1 and I'm missing a lot of the 1083 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,160 little ones. Right, all right, go to claw 1084 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,400 first, learn to stabilize the top hand and then find the right 1085 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,200 arm length right then go to left hand low. 1086 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,600 If you're left-handed, go to left hand low. 1087 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,600 Makes sense now there's a lot of players that putt left hand low 1088 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,920 but still drive the club with the trail arm. 1089 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,440 Jordan Spieth. So Jordan Spieth is a good left 1090 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,680 hand low example. You can see the butt of the club 1091 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,280 translate, especially after he's hit it. 1092 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,120 Watch what? Watch what his club does after 1093 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,800 he hits. It makes sense It doesn't have 1094 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,000 any influence on the ball, but you can see what the brains 1095 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,720 going like. I want the club going there 1096 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,920 right? And then probably lead arm lock, 1097 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:51,880 claw like web sits in or lead arm lock, wrist lock and drive 1098 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:57,560 like Alex Noren. Then I guess we got to go to the 1099 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,240 broomstick, right? And then you either got to do it 1100 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,520 like Adam or you got to do it like, you know, the trail side. 1101 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,840 And then I hate to say it, what comes after the broom is 1102 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,160 pickleball. There's your as you pretty much, 1103 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,000 you've pretty much exhausted now. 1104 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,240 That's when players come up with really alternate. 1105 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:25,120 Like I saw a guy who was lead hand, low claw, like he's 1106 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,760 pulling the Potter through this left arm. 1107 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,000 Actually have a video of that. Like, I mean, it it the modified 1108 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,600 grips, the modified. It's amazing for the simplest 1109 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:41,400 part of the game. It's amazing how people struggle 1110 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,840 with the simplest part of the game, which maybe we've been 1111 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,760 lied to. Maybe putting is not the 1112 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,800 simplest. It looks innocent, doesn't it? 1113 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,320 Like you just knocked the ball into a little Gopher hole. 1114 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,680 Is that what Robert Robin Williams used to say? 1115 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,800 Yeah, but yet it causes how much trauma as soon as we miss A2 1116 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,480 footer. Lot of lot of trauma. 1117 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,640 Yeah, exactly. A lot of trauma. 1118 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,880 That's where the pickleball comment comes in is I'm done 1119 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,000 with this. Yeah, you. 1120 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,960 Know what I mean? Well. 1121 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,880 Let let's end on this. I need your prediction. 1122 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,960 So right now, use the long putter who we we've got Lucas, 1123 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:24,120 Adam, Scott, Akshay, Akshay, Taurus. 1124 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,920 We got a handful of guys. Five years from now, is it going 1125 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,120 to be about the same? Will it be double, triple that? 1126 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,640 Like what? What do you think? 1127 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:40,080 I'm not Nostradamus, but I think Lucas's stroke has gotten better 1128 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,200 because I think the concepts of the long putter match his belief 1129 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,960 system now. Zealot Taurus. 1130 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,440 There's a good example when he was when he was struggling with 1131 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,760 it, the putter was not moving in the vertical plane in the 1132 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,760 backswing. It was moving in the horizontal. 1133 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,080 So you can see the putter move like the radius moves inside and 1134 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,920 then he was almost missing the the face. 1135 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,000 Remember that. Yeah, I've seen that video. 1136 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,600 Whatever training aid he was on or concept he was taught was he 1137 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,600 was trying to arc. Don't try to arc these things. 1138 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,840 They arc themselves, but very little. 1139 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,440 But if you get one of these things and you're trying to arc 1140 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,640 that shaft that much, you get what Will was going through a 1141 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,520 few years ago. Like remember I think he had 1142 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,240 almost looked like it stayed on the ground, feel like like a 1143 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,440 hovercraft. It went like low inside and on 1144 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,600 the ground and then he miss hit it. 1145 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,320 That's all total plane and hand path issue. 1146 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,440 Do you know what I'm saying? When all he had to do was go 1147 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,200 back and up, let it fall, come back down, forward and up. 1148 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,000 Like work more in the vertical plane with these things. 1149 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,480 Do you see? I'm saying even my hands got a 1150 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,600 little horizontal, but it feels very vertical. 1151 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,040 So I think you know these putting mats that my good friend 1152 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,440 Phil Kenyon come out with, you won't use one of those with a 1153 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,280 broomstick because you're going to start arcing the shaft. 1154 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,960 We don't want you arcing the shaft. 1155 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,520 We want you arcing the sweet spot in a plane that's probably 1156 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,800 anywhere from, I don't know, 10 to 12° or whatever it is, 1157 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,840 whatever your specs are right now. 1158 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,200 Oh, there's another thing. If you get too far away from it 1159 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,920 with a long putter, then you're going to start contending with 1160 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,160 the shaft arcing too much. Does that make sense? 1161 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,840 So there, so you know, stand close where you can see the line 1162 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,200 get get the length right, get the weight right, get the loft 1163 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,840 right, make sure the ball positions left a low point. 1164 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,320 That's important. I would probably hover myself 1165 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,800 like because you know how easy it is to like catch the ground 1166 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,960 in the backswing because the putters on the ground, I might 1167 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,440 would probably lift it up a few millimeters. 1168 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,320 That makes sense. So it's just so much easier to 1169 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,320 to take, take away the draft angle on the putters, not 1170 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,840 grabbing any grass. But yeah, I mean, as long as the 1171 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,440 rules are written what way they are, then as long as you're not 1172 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,520 breaking any rules, then, you know, go for it if that makes. 1173 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,960 Sense what do you think? Are we going to see more of this 1174 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,520 five years from now? Do you think we're going to see 1175 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,240 people keep adopting? Well, I think, I think this guy 1176 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,320 I sent you a video of should have just signed up for lessons. 1177 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,520 That makes sense. Like spending $600.00 on a 1178 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,800 putter. Why don't you spend $500 or 750 1179 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,920 on so you understand some correct concepts and then get a 1180 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:37,800 putter, whatever it is. This putter fitting is another 1181 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,600 another discussion on another day because you're going to get 1182 01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,560 10 different putters from 10 different fitters. 1183 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,840 So, but I don't know, five years from now, I think people are 1184 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,360 still trying to solve the Riddle. 1185 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,080 Why doesn't my ball start online? 1186 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,640 You know why? You know, it's funny. 1187 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,720 Why does my lab putter twist? Well, the reason is, is where my 1188 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,680 expertise is, is joints rotate, joints and segments of the body 1189 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,240 rotate. So that's what's imparting the 1190 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,360 twist butter. You know, the zero torque putter 1191 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,400 is not twisting, it's you are. Why isn't it staying square to 1192 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,680 the path because your past not centered. 1193 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,800 It's not you know what I mean? Like I have not seen any of any 1194 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:25,160 Potters fix poor mechanics. I have seen well fit Potters who 1195 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,240 with people with good mechanics it can it could be the 1196 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,400 difference of 1/2 a degree that makes sense. 1197 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,880 But you can't fit poor concepts in poor mechanics. 1198 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:39,120 But I think the simplest concept in golf is, you know, this is 1199 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,760 the simplest theory right here. Whether you swing it, drive it 1200 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:49,280 or hit with it, that's just kind of the way you coordinate your 1201 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,520 movements. So are you? 1202 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,680 The question is, are you putting with the long butter? 1203 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,320 I am, yeah. I've been for a year and a half 1204 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,840 or so. Yeah, and what's the difference? 1205 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,800 I mean, I'm a big fan. I I had the you know, the right 1206 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,920 hand just felt weird over short putts that I just couldn't. 1207 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,720 I mean I can look great if I go on your green behind you there 1208 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,320 and you have me putt. We did a lesson. 1209 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,920 I bet I could look awesome and it would be it's. 1210 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,040 A safe environment. Exactly, but I don't want to hit 1211 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:23,960 a a left to rider 5 feet in a tournament that way though I'm 1212 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,640 not interested in doing that. There's a reason why that's a 1213 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,279 different environment like this is a safe environment. 1214 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,600 Yeah. It could be the safest. 1215 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,960 You're putting mat at home, then the practice screen is a little 1216 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,279 more dangerous than this, but it's still safe. 1217 01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:42,920 And going out playing on your golf course, your home golf 1218 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,680 course by yourself is a safe environment, but it's harder 1219 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,960 than the practice screen. Then when you get invited to a 1220 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,479 Country Club to play in a member guests, now the threat has gone 1221 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,840 up more makes sense. And then when you get in 1222 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,240 contention of a tournament, it's so it's like 5 different 1223 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,000 environments, 5 different levels of stress. 1224 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,640 At some point you're not mentally and emotionally 1225 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,840 prepared to handle it in your stroke breaks down. 1226 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,359 Yeah. And that's what I don't think 1227 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,479 golfers appreciate from all these tour players. 1228 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,279 All the tour players that I've seen are just geniuses. 1229 01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:20,439 They're great. Some are better than others, 1230 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,520 Some are struggling, but they're geniuses. 1231 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,359 These guys are so good. Like there's a huge gap. 1232 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:31,960 Like even though like what is it #1 on Tour was positive 0.9 1233 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,960 strokes gained and that was Sam Burns. 1234 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,640 So you're only gaining one stroke per round. 1235 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,399 Yeah. But see, everybody's looking at 1236 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,840 putting the wrong way. Oh, I got to make more 15 1237 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:45,680 footers. No, you don't. 1238 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,560 You got to reduce errors. You got to reduce your green 1239 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,160 reading errors. You got to reduce your speed 1240 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,320 errors. You got to reduce your line 1241 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,800 errors. You might have two to three 1242 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,960 errors on the same cut. It's error reduction. 1243 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,280 You don't need to make another 15 footer. 1244 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,760 You got to stop missing these three footers and two footers 1245 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,560 and five footers and that's what I'm hearing you say is I went to 1246 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,840 the long putter because that left to right five footer was 1247 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,280 became a problem. Yeah, and it worked. 1248 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,880 I mean, I'm not like amazing now, but like I feel better. 1249 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,840 Like I feel like I have a real chance to make this. 1250 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,200 Well, you know. Well, and also because the 1251 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,720 putter design probably isn't going to. 1252 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,440 It's still going to rotate do the length and curvature, but 1253 01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:34,960 it's going to rotate less so on that left to right or there's 1254 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,960 less rotation. You're going to find that a left 1255 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,400 rider is a lot more friendly versus your right to left putts 1256 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,400 now become a problem. So now you got to play maybe a 1257 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,600 little bit higher line, which is always good, you know. 1258 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,400 But but yeah, I mean, five years from now, I don't know. 1259 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,960 Well, based on our conversation, it sounds like you believe there 1260 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,080 definitely be more people using a broomstick versus an arm lock. 1261 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,720 You because like. Well, I just think it's the 1262 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,600 simplest way, but I would go in progression that I described 1263 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,040 that makes sense. Go to claw before lefty and low. 1264 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,240 I could do an entire dissertation on why that is and 1265 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,000 has to do the right arm and the right wrist. 1266 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,600 But yeah, and and the thing that I don't want to see, I don't 1267 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,600 want to see junior golfers going to the broomstick. 1268 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,280 I don't want that that to be the first putter they learned to 1269 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,480 putt with. My my 7 year old has requested a 1270 01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:32,280 broomstick. Well, let them have one. 1271 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,760 But to me, and I've said this before, that every child should 1272 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:44,480 learn on an 88-O2 or a bullseye first to develop face, head and 1273 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:48,160 shaft awareness. Those three things, face, head, 1274 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:53,240 shaft awareness, right? Then they can move to the 1275 01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,600 technology. So it just really, I would not 1276 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,720 want to see a 10 year old or 12 year old in a junior tournament 1277 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,240 potting with all this technology and doing the long putter. 1278 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:06,840 That makes sense. Yeah. 1279 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,440 Now I could be, I could be convinced to change my mind. 1280 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:17,880 I can because it is theoretically simpler. 1281 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,080 But there's a reason why they had the Sam Sneed rule. 1282 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,720 What's that? When he no more side saddle. 1283 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,480 Oh yeah. Or straddling the line, like 1284 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:30,360 when it's competitive advantage, the rule has to change. 1285 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:37,040 Like when everybody's dominating with broomsticks, then we go to 1286 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,600 the, then we go to the David Orr rule, right? 1287 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,720 Which the club has to be equal to or shorter than. 1288 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,920 Well, let me pin you down with another prediction then. 1289 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,520 Will the rules change, do you think? 1290 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,040 Do you think we'll see another rule change and and do. 1291 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,080 You want to revolt? I mean, do you want lawsuits 1292 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,000 because these guys career depend on it, their livelihoods, like 1293 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,960 Webb Simpson's livelihood depending on that change. 1294 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,560 That makes sense. You know, Adam's livelihood, I 1295 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,320 think he might be set for life, you know? 1296 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,880 But you know, it's yeah, it's just it's a touchy subject. 1297 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,800 But the way the rules are written right now, it's legal. 1298 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,800 It just saddens me to see junior golfers, like even when they 1299 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,560 come to me with claw, it's like, dude, I'll teach you how to hold 1300 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,480 the club, I'll teach you how to make a great stroke. 1301 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,680 I'll teach you to become face aware, head aware, shaft aware. 1302 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,320 And then if you're still having problems, then we'll then we'll 1303 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,560 look at that. Yeah. 1304 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,280 But the kids just mimic what their favorite player is doing. 1305 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,240 Yeah. Yeah, you know, I did that, you 1306 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,920 know, and every sport, you know, mimic my favorite player, you 1307 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,360 know, I mean, you know, I couldn't wait to get my first 1308 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,000 pair of Nikes, you know, which is the same thing as getting my 1309 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,520 first Scotty Cameron. But now that's going to be 1310 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,880 replaced with I can't wait to get my first lab putter. 1311 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,360 And you got to give a you got to give Sam Han kudos. 1312 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,920 Didn't their company just sell for like to a private equity 1313 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,840 firm for like 200 mil? I I think yes, yeah, no, it's, 1314 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,760 it's really cool. It's one of the great stories in 1315 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,800 golf right now you know of. Probably the story, right? 1316 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,520 Especially from a business, like how good of a business deal was 1317 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,520 that? I mean, if I had that deal, Sam, 1318 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:28,280 Sam, if if I were you, I'd be having my chalet on Snowmass in 1319 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,120 Colorado or whatever it is or, and I'd be skiing every day and, 1320 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,480 and then I'd be skiing in South America or Australia in the 1321 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:38,160 summer and I wouldn't be worrying about putters. 1322 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,600 You know what I mean? But I think you still would be. 1323 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,960 I think you'd still be pretty worried about making putters. 1324 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,560 Yeah. But I don't think you can get 1325 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,000 away from it. Yeah. 1326 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,240 So, but yeah, I just think that, you know, there's a part of me 1327 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,760 that is still old school and classical and artistic. 1328 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,880 That's another thing that people don't know about me personally 1329 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,080 is that I pull from both ends of the spectrum being very artistic 1330 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,080 and creative versus very scientific and database driven, 1331 01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:10,960 data-driven. That's why I couldn't wait to 1332 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,160 design those putters and none of them had sharp edges. 1333 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,760 They are already curves are great, you know, so but no great 1334 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,720 podcast on this. I I hope I hope I hope people 1335 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,720 understood there's different ways to do it that the swinging 1336 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,320 model isn't the only model makes sense. 1337 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:38,160 The progression of conventional to claw to lead hand low to lead 1338 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,960 arm lock to to broomstick to pickleball. 1339 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,880 That progression, yeah. Is it good progression so. 1340 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,600 David, here's the deal. In the next 6 to 9 months, we 1341 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,760 got to find a time when we're together to putting green and 1342 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,320 we're going to do a video and let's go through that 1343 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,400 progression. And like you talk about where to 1344 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,920 take people through because that'd be great. 1345 01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,320 People would love, would love that it. 1346 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,680 Would be fun, wouldn't? It, it would be, that'd be 1347 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,960 really cool. So people want to learn from you 1348 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,440 more. Flatstick Academy, is that still 1349 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:12,200 the place to go? Www.flatstickacademy.com I've 1350 01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,680 got two different products on my website. 1351 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,680 So I have the subscription model, which is the 999, which 1352 01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,440 is basically I'm just dripping whatever is on my mind that week 1353 01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:25,720 or two weeks. So it's very disorganized. 1354 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,280 First, as we have now digital product packages like Short Putt 1355 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,280 Focus is my favorite video package. 1356 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,160 It's like a package of 12 videos, all the drills. 1357 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,600 We're actually getting ready to film Long Putt Focus here in the 1358 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,880 end of October. I have flat stick fundamentals 1359 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,160 for people that want to know what are the fundamentals of a 1360 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,560 punting stroke. Plastic fundamentals is really 1361 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,080 good. And I'm just being honest. 1362 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,080 Don't buy my flat stick practice plan because that was our first 1363 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,720 shoot and the videographer didn't know what he was doing 1364 01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,600 and I don't think Matt and I knew what we were doing. 1365 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,880 So don't buy that one. But I think, you know, the short 1366 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:07,440 putt focus right now is really top notch and plastic 1367 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,600 fundamentals. Those would be two that I would 1368 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,360 purchase myself. I'm my biggest critic and I was 1369 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,280 like, yeah, these are going to suck. 1370 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,640 And then you watch him like, man, we we we did pretty good. 1371 01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,800 You know what I mean? So I'm actually looking forward 1372 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,800 to filming the long putt focus. We're going to go from pine 1373 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,520 needles over to Southern Pines Country Club, which we own. 1374 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,480 And they have what's called this the over hills, which is 1375 01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:36,640 probably the most it's one of the larger practice greens in 1376 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,120 the world and it's got tons of crowns and saddles that it's 1377 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,760 almost probably one of the most difficult practice greens. 1378 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,720 So we're going to be filming our long putt focus on probably one 1379 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,400 of the most challenging practice greens in the world. 1380 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,560 And you're going to be able to see some balls moving a lot. 1381 01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,600 I don't think there's too many. There's not too many straight 1382 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,240 putts on that green. So. 1383 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,880 Perfect Flatsick Academy. That's good. 1384 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,520 You always have the best ideas. I always enjoy learning from 1385 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,640 you, David, so thank you. Thank you for your time. 1386 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,320 It's super fun. Perfect. 1387 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,680 And I think we should film that progression. 1388 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,240 That would be a great idea. It'd be so good. 1389 01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,440 All right, stay tuned on the YouTube channel, folks. 1390 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,320 We'll we'll get there eventually. 1391 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:17,840 All right, man.