OK, let's do this all. Right, we're going Will.
We had a mildly successful video go out a couple weeks ago.
It's been very fun to watch people kind of check out the
scoring method. What?
What do you think? It's fantastic, obviously
amazing. Just love the comments, love the
feedback. I love, you know, yeah, I I
personally love the sort of the negative comments because I
think they come out of not full fully understanding, right.
I mean, we had, we want to make a little 20 minute quick crash
course. And so I think so many of the
answers that we've got for today are to help people to understand
there's a bigger pitch to the scoring method.
But yes, there's a whole 4 hour training course and you know, go
and get coaching from a coach to learn how to use it.
So I think it's gonna be a lot of fun for us to get taught
today. Yeah, I mean, I've known about
the scoring method. Well, we know I've known each
other for 10 plus years and yeah, you've had the scoring
method for for that long. And so I've always known about
it's great. Like I always like teach my
teach my buddies and stuff as we go.
Like, Hey, this is kind of how to change your, your thinking.
And it's like, it's great. So it's super fun to be able to
share that with tons and tons of people.
I'm so glad that like the words getting out and I want to start
with something that's getting out is this comment.
And I have a comment pulled up here.
This is an important one to start with.
It's the guy hits everything straight, high and long.
How on earth can he demonstrate the point?
Yeah, exactly. That's your fault.
That is your fault. Everybody.
That is Cody Walker's fault because he is the content
creator and I got to go and spend a day with him in
Minnesota and the guy stripes it too good.
But here's what I will tell you a little story about.
Okay. Is that when Courtney plays in
tournaments the week afterwards and he doesn't get committed to
his golf shot and his tension gets a little bit high, he makes
big numbers and doesn't use the scoring method and shoots like
an 80 3/4/84? I don't know.
Yeah, he just. Remember, the point being is
look, I completely understand everybody.
I can't wait if you if you go to scoringmethod.com, sorry,
scoring method YouTube channel, it's all amateur golfers, right?
All high handicappers, but a yes, if you've got a guy who's
striping it, but that's why we went through the Gears of the
game. We wanted to show you for that
next level because the other complaint we get Cordy is well,
this is great for low handicap for high handicap golfers, but
not me a three handicap. I might know it's it's perfect
for you because Cordy, when you play tournaments, you can't lose
a golf ball or you'll make a triple.
And what we need to do is reduce it down to a bogey.
So I think that yes, I think we should go and make some content
together. Cordy, let's do another another,
you know, 20 minute crash course, but scoring method now
want someone who's shopping it up?
You know what I mean? Someone who's hitting it all
over the place, yes. OK, Let's get into some of the
questions that people have because there are a lot of great
questions and that's what I want to talk about is kind of like
some assumptions that people have.
And this is like a classic one that I see.
This is from Stewartie Boy 83 O1.
Also, usernames are fantastic, I don't know if you know that or
not. But.
Holy cow, do we have some great usernames in here.
I've never understood when people say keep it in play as if
I have a choice in the matter. I'm not deliberately smacking it
into the trees. And I think this is kind of like
what a lot of people feel like is like, oh, the scoring math is
a great idea. Like keep the ball in play.
I love that idea, but will I can't keep it in play.
I suck. You should see my slight right?
If it's then right? That that is the thing, right?
It's like Will, I can't do it. And so no, I completely get
that. But here's what it says.
You said smack it into the junk. So most people scoring IQ is
very low. If we went skiing, you wouldn't
go. I'm a man, I'm going to a double
black diamond. You'd go, where's the Bunny run?
Where's the Bunny runner? Where's the green runner?
Where's the blue run? You'd learn and earn your way
into skiing and golf. You can go wherever you want.
So my challenge to all of you would be is like, listen, take
out a 7 iron. There's a ton of loft on it.
And if there's a lot of loft, the spin will be back spin, not
right to left spin and put it in play because remember you've got
a three 180 yard par 4. We've actually only got to go
280 yards to get into the scoring zone.
So you could hit 79 and 7 iron. And to the concept there is not.
So you play 7 iron for the rest of your life.
That's boring. You're not going to do that.
But at least you have first gear, which is I can get my 7
iron in play. Man.
You need to go to the range and work on hitting A4 hybrid in a
20 yard gap and try and put that in play 8 out of 10 times.
And until it it's tested and proven, don't take it out on the
golf course. Yeah.
So you bring up one of the points that no, but we didn't
talk about video and that probably a lot of people aren't
thinking about is that the scoring method is a great way to
learn what you need to train and not just guess how to practice.
So what you kind of describe there is like a little bit of
like, OK, we are going to start at level 0 and you're going to
create a training plan. And if you're able to do that,
then you can move on. But if you're not, then you
actually need to develop some skills so that you can play the
game of golf right? Exactly.
So the whole concept behind the
scoring method is, is play easy, train hard, hard.
What most people do is practice easy 50 balls.
It just hit, hit, hit, go on the golf course, don't mess up,
right? Tension comes in, they play
poorly. So what we're trying to say is
what we want you to do is you come off the golf course and go,
hey, I didn't get into the scoring zone 7 times out of
eight or let's just do no helps. I didn't get 3 out of times, but
then down in three, I only did it 3.
So it's six times. Well, then you should actually
go to short game, whereas the other guy who got 8 down in
threes and you know, 5 not into this point should then go
practice that. So it's going to build your
purpose or practice plan, right? That's the cool part.
And then what what you're going to do is instead of going to
technique, you're going to test. So I believe the drills, OK,
create skills. But if you want skills to
transfer onto the golf course, you got to test them.
So you're now going to say add a 10 from 4 feet in a circle.
How can I make that a 10/4? Now don't go and work on
technique. Try and get 5, then six, then
seven. Get back into playing the game
and learning how you best compete under pressure and then
take that to the golf course. So do you have players when you
go teach the score method, which would be like this this guy here
18 handicap. I already play this way and I
still double and triple all day long.
I can't execute simple shots 40% of the time.
Like, I'm sure you've worked with players like that who are.
Struggling to work with, I mean, like, it's fine because I think
most golf pros, like I want to work with the tour player might
know. I want to work with people that
desperately want to get better at golf that are super
frustrated because they can play other sports, they can do other
things in life and golf is difficult.
So yeah, what I would do is say that we've got to benchmark your
game. So there's, you know, the parts
that we're going to look at is this short putting, all right?
Then there's lag or long putting, shipping from around
the green, pitching the ball and advancing the ball, right.
So those are really the five basics of level 1.
So if we could get you A6 hybrid that you love and that you could
get it out there 125 yards, you know, well, I can only do it 4
out of 10 times. I would say try and get it 5 out
of 10 times. But how, I don't know if it
slices, aim left, do whatever. You can just compete at the
game. Because what most of us do is
you wouldn't take your child and be like, hey, you've got to put
your right elbow in and you've got to release like this to
throat. No, they're throwing underarm
and they're getting two in a row and then they scream 10 minutes
like dad, dad, dad, come out. What happened?
I've got eight in a row because they're using the athletic
ability. I call it emotional muscle.
They're building up that like, I'm just going to get it in the
hole. So I would test each area of
your game and if and if the best you've got is 4 out of 10 from 4
feet, see if we get to 7 out of 10 this week.
And then what you'll find is you'll find your way of doing
it. A lot of golf pros will have a
longer stroke straight back and straight through with the
closing and opening for OK, I can't do that.
But if I stand over and I just stab at it, I can make like 9
out of 10 almost every time. Well, that's how you should play
then that that's your way of playing it.
Think of Will Zala Torres, think about Bobby Locke, think about
Jack Nicklaus. They all found their way of
doing it. So that's really you got to
start bench marking testing. So those skills will transfer to
the golf. Course so all the people that
commented something the long lines of the scorecard suddenly
keep me from topping the ball none of the supplies to golf
through like ball control the concept would be like well
obviously you need to do some training then right like.
Yeah, but I think I think what most people do right is they get
on the golf course. I would I literally just
finished a playing lesson, which is why I'm late to this podcast.
And they'll top it off that I'm with Rob today.
Let's just talk about players today that did this.
I'll give two holes for Rob. Slices were 9 miles, right?
I mean, just 9 miles light with his drive, right?
He's been working on a drawer miles night pitches one down
short of the green right in the trees wedges on 15 feet and
makes the putt. Now he should have missed the
putt realistically, but it would have been a tap in bogey and
it's like but if you saw his tee shot you watch on my driver.
What did I do wrong I got to work on it No just find it put
it inside of 100 chip it on the green too.
So what most of us do we kind of go to the problem is Oh my
swings wrong versus you're on a golf course in a tournament like
get over it. You got to figure out a way to
get the ball in the hole. None of us have been taught that
grit and that determination to keep going.
I had another one of the guys topped it off the T box,
literally topped it as it went down the fairway, hit a second,
one down the par five, third one down the par five, fourth onto
the green. Just Mr. Papa tapped it in for
bogey. That's what we're trying to say
is don't just screen to technique.
You're going to top it, you're going to slice it, you're going
to hit shots. But over time, if you focus more
on getting to the scoring zone, game one, Game 2, getting down
in three, it'll really start to show you how to play under
pressure and start to show you how to train.
What about that? Those 100 yard shots, right?
So one of the ideas is you got to get inside 100 yards.
Some people were commenting like, oh, man, like partial
wedge shots are the worst. Yeah, right.
I can barely hit the green from from 100 yards.
Like, yeah, talk to those people.
Yeah, completely. So I'm gonna go back a little
bit. What I would start with is lag
pudding. You've got to work on your long
putts because you could then hit a badge shot to 60 feet off the
fringe of the green, tap it up there to three feet and tap it
in. So the most important thing you
got to start with is the long putts because that's going to
teach you face control, missing it left, missing it right, and
distance control. I would then have you chipping
around the green with a hybrid because now you're not using
loft, you're not scooping underneath it.
But at a certain point, like you said, you got to start to learn
how to pitch. So I would try and break it up
into 255075 and 100. And for some of you, about 100
is at any time for me, OK, For you it's 25 and 50. 75 is a
pitching wedge. But for most of us, 251575 we
could doing that with a pitching wedge or a sandwich.
So I would then gauge a position on the clock, right?
So I'm going to go back to my hip and I'm going to hit down on
the ball. What do most of us do?
We lean back and try and scoop. No, the best way is to send the
club down and the ball will go up.
So there's great videos you can watch online.
I mean, who's my favorite short game coach?
Who's the guy that does the guy in England with the three
releases? Dan Dan Grieve.
Dan Grieve, watch some of that stuff.
But then all I want is a 25 hit 10 with that A50 on the clock
system and a full one goes 75. So I want you to get big numbers
that you can go. That's 75.
So if it's 65, we'll do a little less than that or a bit more
than 50. So I would want three positions.
They're going to get you 25 and that might be for you a half lob
wedge or a half sand wedge or 1/3 of a pitching wedge.
But you've got to get on the range and focus on two things,
255075, right? That is the wedge area, right?
And then a go to club. What can I advance down the
fairway 10 times off the tee box hybrids.
It's such a great club to use, right?
So most of us go and work on 7 lines trying to hit a draw,
trying to fix our swing rather than can I put 9 out of 10 balls
onto that green at 50 yards, one one out of 10, cool, let's do
another 10. Can you get 2?
And you then start to learn how to really compete and play the
game. And I've been doing this for 20
years, and you'll be amazed how people start to play better golf
just by purely starting to play it more like a computer game and
beat the game than trying to be perfect.
Tons of great comments too. Will I?
I mean, they're going to land on one here which will give you a
good talking point, but we we had one just yesterday pop in.
It seems like I've been a 11:50 handicap of the decision making
of a 25 handicap after putting this method into use of shot in
84 with no mulligans or breakfast balls.
Believe this method is meant to help good golfers of terrible
course management, but also teach new and upcoming golfers
what they need to actually practice.
That's good. It's good.
Yeah, did he say he's a 12 with a 25 scoring?
I don't know, he says. It seems like he's, he said.
It seems like I've been to a 10 to 12 handicap with the decision
making of a 25. Handicap.
So think about what a lot of the new things are doing right.
In the old days, it was just data.
It was like, hey, you hit this many greens, you hit this many
fairways, Did it really help you?
What we're trying to say is my Arcos might tell you you're A7
handicap putting and you're a 22 handicap, but which is the one
that's going to tell you the reason why you're a 22 handicap
with your ball striking is because you're a terrible
decision maker. Because you took not enough club
aimed at a flag by a lake, missed it just to the right, hit
it in the water, made a quad. Or if you'd to take an extra
club and aimed long left and missed it short right, you'd be
right by the flag stick. So, so much of what I'm doing,
my players on the course this morning is guys, here's the
quadrant. Where can you absolutely not go?
Short, right. There's a bunker.
Where can you also not go? Well, long right's not too bad,
but anywhere on the left is fine.
Well, it's short. Better or long.
Probably long, actually. OK, so don't aim at the flag.
Put a flag back left to the green and smash it there.
Oh, you missed it. Short, right.
Oh, you buy the flagstick. You're a genius.
So, like, golf is about misses. Golf is not a game of perfect
Barbra Teller, Right. It's all about helping people to
start to realize that if they're become better caddies, So many
of it. You're listening.
I went to Scotland and the guy just freaking shoved me a club.
No, this is what you're hitting. You didn't go.
I'd like a driver. He's like, oh, you're not man.
And he just hands it to you and you hit that club.
That's what we've got to get you better at is better decision
making, better strategy. And this is how again, and we
get players to go from 25 to 12 with very little technique
because they're like, they had the ability of a 12 handicap.
They just had the scoring strategy of a 25 handicap, which
is me, and they played to a 19 or a 20, you know.
Speaking of catting, we I should have had you on before the
Walker Cup at Cyprus because I we should have done a Cypress, a
Cypress episode with you because that would have been fun.
Tell them we got to tell. I don't know if you've ever told
the story on a podcast, but tell your 18 hole caddy.
Yeah, so, so how how did I really come up with this method?
The concept behind it was I caddied at Cypress Point in
college and all I knew was every caddy out there and so many of
my love, there are some great friends of mine that are there
that are great people. They knew every sprinkle head,
every single number on the golf course.
I remembered none. But what I knew how to do was
just basically kind of like generally tell people how to
like, look, hit a five line. It's playing a lot longer than
150. It isn't.
It's 1:50, but you don't and hit A5 on 150.
So they would, they would lay hit A5 on and be pin high and
go, wow, that played a long way. Well, that's all good.
When you're playing, you're doing this and it's you know,
it's non members who there's 8 unaccompanied per day on on a
weekdays that can come on the course, it's fine.
But when it's the club championship and it's the final
round of the club championship and you're playing for you're
carrying for one of the members and you know he has a 2 stroke
stroke lead and I'm 18. There's a very famous shot that
Ben Hogan played in the match where he hit it between the
trees at Cypress trees. And he has that shot and he
looks at you and says, well, give me the five on.
And I'm like, this is this is going to be difficult.
Here's putter, he's 165 yards out and I'm like, putter's the
play. And he's like, what the heck,
what are you talking about? I'm like to Francis, you're
going to put it to right there, like I'm going to stand over
there and you're going to put it to me sideways and you're going
to put it because I know if he goes through the trees, he's
going to hit the trees, bounce around and the trees he's going
to come out. He's going to lose the club
championship and to be the club champion at Cyprus Point is why
I would think a pretty amazing thing to talk about when you're
back in New York and doing the things you do in life around
some pretty impressive people. So he puts it out to my feet.
He then hits a beautiful wedge and flushes this thing straight
over the flagstick. So now we've got a 20 foot
downhill, the fastest putt you can imagine.
All I needed to do was have with him slightly hit miss at the
pitching wedge and would have been pinned high.
He flushed it. We had a beautiful part of all
six foot by and I'm thinking if he misses this part and he has
to tell somebody, his gaddy told him to putt on the last hole,
I'm in big trouble. He's still going to play off
though. He made the party, won the club
championship and it was just awesome because it was like I
knew 2 out of 10 he could have got through that tree, but they
would have probably run over the back of the green or gone in the
bunk, would have made double anyway.
But I knew he was a low handicap golfer.
I knew he could get, if I had him at about 140 yards up the
hill or about 1:35, he could hit wedge up onto the green.
I think maybe it was a nine anchors uphill, but I knew I
could get him out of there and he won the club championship.
But that's where I really learned this is that I carried
so many rounds for people who are the best golf course in the
world and I knew that they were in try their hardest and play
terrible. So what did I do?
I got them into the right emotional state and I avoided
trouble. I gave them great green reads
and I helped them to go ahead and take clubs that they
wouldn't normally take because they think they hit it too far.
And I would take the trouble out of play by getting them away
from that trouble. And it worked pretty well for
me. That's.
That's one of my favorite stories.
You can't retell that enough. In my opinion, It's a good one.
OK, I think you should do the scoring method takes on Cyprus.
Just just a thought. I'll throw it out there, but
anyway, OK, well, that leads really well into this next
comment I wanted to talk about. Just shot of 78 this morning,
breaking 80 for the first time in ages.
And the last sentence is the part that you're going to love
takes the pressure off, right? Yeah, right, people who've look
at this never gone for a lesson using the scoring method.
Watched a 20 minute video and I haven't broken 18 ages and I bet
who we talking to? Who is it?
Speedy ones, please never know. Dreadlocks I don't.
Know you just dreadlocks OK I bet you've been working on your
game working on your technique, grinding and that hasn't been
working so here's The thing is everybody this is really
important not that good a coach OK you can put that I'm not that
good a coach think of it this way you're driving a really nice
car you're driving a Mercedes 500 series 300 series, say or
nice BMW and I and you I need a driving lesson.
I get in the car and I see that you have the handbrake on and
you're driving looking in the rearview mirror and like, you
know what, Like if you take that handbrake off, like the smoke
and everything out the back and the noise is going to go away.
That's called tension. When we take the tension off,
you're going to get freed up and you're going to start to swing
And like this little thing up here.
If you look through the big thing here, like what's in front
of you, your target and how you can play golf instead of what I
did last week or what I did last month or what I've been working
on the driving range, you're going to do a lot better.
Now if you took that lesson, you started driving you and people
wouldn't say we're, you're a genius driving instructor.
You'd be like, no, nobody just ever showed you your handbrake
was on and you were looking through the through the front
window. If I took someone who was
driving a crappy 1983 Pinto with a bad transmission and I got him
to go ahead and win Le Mans, oh, you guys know what that is.
Let's call it Daytona. I would be an amazing coach.
I'm just simply saying to all of you, you have expectations the
way too high that aren't aligning to your game.
So you pull the handbrake on, which is tension.
So you're tight. So you have bad misses, get very
frustrated and you're always looking at what I should have
done this and I couldn't. You're not looking at foresight,
you're looking at hindsight. And what happens, you play
terrible golf, but on the back nine you go, oh, sorry, who
cares? It's all over.
And you shoot a 39 and go, I found it why you took the
tension off. You didn't look into the past.
And so I'm not that great a coach.
This is not that difficult. What I'm trying to do is I'm
just trying to tell you something that the golf industry
and as a PGA member, I will tell you that.
And if you asked John Ray, I was with him yesterday, our
president of PG of America, he would tell you most golf pros
focus way too much on technique and they do not focus enough on
scoring, how to get the ball in the hole and how to manage
people's tension. And so that's really the answer.
And congratulations on breaking 80.
Just make sure the next time you go out, don't think I'm going to
break 80 today. Go out there with low
expectations, or I would say realistic expectations to your
level and go and play and have fun and realize you're probably
get bad shots but Oh well, Doesn't mean you have to make a
double bogey. Person replied.
Nifty biscuit, my new fave. You must have used that
expression. Nifty biscuit, absolutely.
Like there's, you know, we throw some of the old school English
stuff in there for sure then. You'd find that one for us is
that that's just generally good. Yes.
I mean, nifty is like, you know the word nifty.
You have that. Yeah, yeah, nifty.
And then a biscuit biscuit in England, if you have a cup of
tea, you gotta have a biscuit with it, right?
So like a hobnob. I mean, you're gonna go with a
hobnob for any of you that good strong, you know, maybe a chocky
hobnob, right? Chocolate hobnob.
Good thing. So that's a nifty biscuit right
there. You know what I mean?
It's like classy. It's good.
More of you are confused now than before, so I'm sorry about
the answer to that question. I'll put the transcript to that
and reply to that person. Yeah, GPT could probably answer
that better one. Absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, this. You will enjoy this.
This is a good little thread that happened here.
Basically golf sidekick with a British accent and without the
silly costumes and not as much fun.
I love OK. So here's the thing, I love that
golf sidekick. I think he's South African,
right? I got to reach out to him.
I think All Sidekick is so fantastic and what he's doing.
I love it. I love that he has the thing on
the side. He reminds me of Golf Rate.
What was the golf pro guy, the one that blurred his face out?
Do you remember that one? Oh yeah, yeah.
Look, and I'll be honest, you know what I said to Cordy that
day? I'm like, we should just be more
silly and more crazy. If you've seen the videos of me
blowing up GG bags and shotguns and stuff like this, I think I
haven't seen how silly is he saying I'm more silly or golf
psychic. No, he's saying golf sidekick's
more silly. You to be more silly one. 100%
and that's giving me artistic license to tell Cordy I'm going
to be more fun and more silly because to be honest, guys and
gals, we play this game and it beats the crap out of us and you
just got to have some fun with it.
So yes, you've got to be, you've got to be it out there and sort
of joke and mock yourself and have some fun because it takes
attention off and it makes it better.
So thank you, I will be doing that.
OK, this is an interesting one, which I mean, I relate to as a
golfer sometimes, but so this is a comment the anti tin cup
method of playing. Playing safer is smarter, but
it's also a little boring. That being said, you want to
score better, you have to be a little bit smarter, right?
Like I think it's it's pretty awesome.
Yeah, some people found a trap of they get bored and so then
they make bad decisions and then, yeah, tension ramps up
and. And who?
Who is this to? And do they say what they're
handy? Thomas.
OK, so Thomas, here's The thing
is, I would say boring is not quite the right, but but what I
would say is, is that here's The thing is that most of us don't
have enough patience when we play the game of golf.
It's just like investing. I don't want to put my money
into an index fund. What if you do an 8% return?
You're going to be a millionaire.
No, I want to go through it on Bitcoin.
I want to do it on this and have all this excitement, but with
excitement comes stress and frustration and anger and
depression and alcohol and all these terrible things, right?
Come along with it. So my point is, is that as you
get better and you look at a Patrick Canley who's just so
precise and just methodical as he goes around the golf course
is that you start to realize it's not really boring.
It's probably that you don't have the level of patience.
I'm not trying to put you down, but as a coach and just being
honest is you're impatient and you're like, well, I know, but I
could go ahead and do it for 18. We do the 72 hole challenge for
you. 234 handicap. This isn't for me. 72 holes, 4
rounds of golf, be in the scoring zone inside of a
hundred, 100% of time. 18 out of 18, four rounds in a row, which
means that well, I'm going to take a two on or 4 off every T
box. Yeah, see what you shoot and
you'll be amazed. The simplest 73, the simplest
75, the simplest 74, the simplest 76 you've ever played.
Well, you're a good enough goal for now to be like, yeah, but I
could obviously hit drive on this hole and I could be a
little bit more aggressive here. Yeah, add to it.
So I wouldn't say it gets boring.
What I'd say is you're taking the emotion out of golf where
you have all the highs and lows and angers and I'm excited.
I'm 4 over and 4:00. And you're just trying to make
it methodical, which is what a professional does.
A professional takes the emotion out of it, right.
They're just trying to take every shot.
Barbra Teller talks about it. Make the really important shots
not that important and make the unimportant shots important.
So they're all level, so they all equal.
Because if you do the opposite, you get frustrated when you
don't pull it off or you get lays and you hit bad shots.
So I I would say work on your patience and enjoy trying to get
out there and not losing golf balls for four rounds of golf
and see how easy it is to play to your handicap as a better
golfer. I would say he's a better
golfer. Who's saying that?
Yep. OK we'll we'll end with this.
Will. This was the top comment, the
the most liked comment so far, so here it goes.
So I'm a 4.8 and I play this way in the course.
However, the flaw in the strategy is assuming that a high
handicapper has the ability to place their shot in a safe
scoring zone. But the inability to hit a green
and Reg hole #2 is perfect example.
So this is a short par three that we played about 150 yards
with a a pawn short. Yeah.
You're recommending to take the water out of play by hitting the
safe zone long and left between the bunkers.
The high endy camper could do that consistently.
I'd assume they could hit a shorter shot onto the green.
Yeah, brilliant. And that's bikes, is it?
Yeah, yeah. What was the, what was the
general responses from what you you read through?
I didn't see all of these ones. I didn't see.
I've seen a bunch of them. Yeah, a lot of people.
What's that? Was there a consensus to that?
Did people agree with that or? I think there there's a bit of
both. Some people are still in the
camp of like I'm I still, I'm going to top it in the lake.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, exactly.
As a 4.8, I care that he's actually caring about higher
hand golfers, which is really cool.
But let's just talk about dispersion.
So some of the best thing you can do with technology nowadays,
whether you buy a Rap Sodo, whether you go to a indoor golf
place and you use another piece of technology, point being is,
is that if you hit 100 shots with an iron, you'll have a
dispersion pattern. OK.
And so that dispersion pattern is going to show you where the
majority of your golf shots go. And I would say for a, you know,
23 handicap, guess what? It's going to be short and right
for the average golfer. So if 100 balls fell down and we
aimed at the flag, most of them would be short, right of the
green. So what what you'd want to do is
say wherever the cluster is, is where the flagship should be.
Which means in theory you'd have to pick the flagstick up and
move it. So let's say the other way,
someone pulls it and hits it long all the time.
Never found that, But let's just pretend they did, right?
Well, they'd have to put their pin front, right, right because
they was missed back left, so they would hit the green in the
middle. So really what we're saying here
is when you come and train, your goal is to hit ten shots on the
100 yard green and see where were the misses?
I've got 3 on the green. Where were the misses?
Short, right. OK, well, let's try and hit it
long leftover the green with a 99 instead of a pitching wage on
the driving range. How many?
Well, I've got 6 on the green. Any long left?
Only one that I got over the green.
OK, that's not bad. Any really, really short right,
None. OK, so none would have gone in
the water. So you might be in the bunker,
you might be able to chip. So you're really looking at
people's dispersion patterns and the problem that's happening
with golf instruction on a general level is we're looking
for positions of this and this rather than positions of whether
the ball end up so great coaches are going to use technology to
go look at your dispersion pattern from left to right and
you're gapping from back to front.
So really what I'd be saying to you is when you go in practice,
the goal would be let's go ahead and really hit, you know, ten of
these and continue to keep logging them and logging them
with technology and do with that.
You know, it's phenomenal how well it does and then you start
to understand your miss. So you could say to Scott, you
know Scott, I love Decade, it's phenomenal.
Maybe we'll talk about on the next question.
You could use that, but that's a tour player who can hit that 5%
of their target every time. Ours might be 25% of the targets
if our miss could be 25 yard short right, we actually kind of
need to go 25 yard shot long left to get out of special where
the flag is. And occasionally we ripped one.
But guess what? You got to chip downhill.
It's not that bad. So you know what we're saying
here for everybody is that you just got to start to understand
your misses and for some of you at a high, high, high handicap,
you might want to have to go and do some drills.
But but Cody, I would love to talk about Joe because I got to
talk to him on it on the call this week, the gentleman who did
the video and went out and played eighteen holes.
Yeah, yeah, there's a guy that watched the video and then went
and played using the method and gave some thoughts on it and
what was his swing like? Cody, what was his golf swing
like? It wasn't great.
He might have topped the ball quite a few times, yeah.
I mean, and Joe Joe's Joe's going to be listening to this
Joe's Amy way right. He's coming over the top of it
and he's got comments are like you got to shallow the plane.
You got to get to the inside. You got to do all of this.
He goes out there, uses a scoring method, makes five in a
row, bogeys up and downs. His goal was to break 100 and
shoot 99. He shot one O 1 with a four part
and three eights where he lost golf balls.
So I'm talking every pro would say, well, you got it like it
was violent, right, Joe, I love you brother.
We're going to work on it, right?
It was violent the next round. He went out shot 91.
But where would most pros go? You can't shoot under part.
You can't shoot in the 80s. He just wants to shoot in 80s,
wants to break 100. Once that trust is built and he
starts to understand, then it's like, well, I probably need to
get more distance and slop slicing it and topping it.
But most of the most pros just put technique in the very front.
But to watch him shoot 101, you should watch the video is
fantastic. What was that?
What was the sight of his? It was kind of it was like kind
of golf, isn't it what it was called?
It was great. It's like kind of golf.
Is it just for high, high handicappers being like, look,
we we struggle, we suck. How do you use the system?
And we spent half an hour on the call explaining like, here's how
you do it. And he goes and she's 91.
So that's the beauty of this is that it's like, yes, you might
need some skill sets, but don't go and do 42 lessons on a
driving range and then go on a golf course on your own.
Go on a golf course with a professional, have them teach
you how to score. That's the concept.
And the beauty of the method is watching people that's never
gone and seen a pro who we have coaches that teach the scoring
method. Obviously it's what I do for a
living, but go and do it on their own and they get the
results without a pro which is super awesome if you ask me.
That's so great, that's so great.
I think the next like comment or the the next highest ranked
comment, which which I just want to talk to.
I talked a little about in the video too, but I've never
understood when people say keep it in place.
If I have a choice, the matter it and I think we we've touched
on a number of times, but just from a personal anecdote as
well, is this idea of like keeping in play and the idea of
a go to club like you talk about.
And I see this with myself and with so many of my friends as
well as like nobody trains a go to club and practices.
And you talked a little bit about like leveling yourself up
and starting A7 iron. Can you do it?
Then you go to a six. I think it's really easy to say
like the scoring method doesn't work because I can't keep in
play because my go to club sucks just as much as my driver.
Well like you don't have a go to club if you haven't practiced it
and trained it and like so you can't say the go to club idea
doesn't work if you haven't actually tried it or done.
Yeah, and you, you couldn't be frustrated if it was like, hey,
I want to climb El Capitan and I can't do it.
It's a 3000. And you were four feet off the
ground and got nervous and then fell.
It's like, it's like, it's like, I can't climb that.
So you've got to start to realize, like so many people,
but we're like, can't swing this way.
What's the name of that site that Joe's on?
What was it called again? Like a kind of golf, I think
it's called sort sort of kind of golf.
But my point is you watch his golf swing and shot 91 and
you're going to go, there's no way.
And it's like, well, I don't know, He did the video.
I doubt he's lying, You know what I'm saying?
And so the point being is that that's what I'm trying to
challenge you to all start to realize is your skill potential
is probably about up here. The way you train, the way you
think and the way you manage the golf course is down here.
So yes, you could continue to work on the little gaps right
here. Is is that?
Yeah, it Whoa, no, that's another guy.
That's another one. Oh, Karen, I'm going to get to
watch that video. I'm going to call you.
I can't wait to see. On another one.
Oh, that's no. He's a Stripe show.
He's a total Stripe show. You've got to send me his stuff.
I got to reach out to him. That's so awesome.
I just love it that you guys are going out there and using this.
You know, I've been doing this for coming on close to 20 years
now. It's just so much fun to see.
Oh. Here we go, I found it.
We'll here we'll give if people are watching.
We'll give a shout out here. Yeah, we'll pull it up.
Let's see, it's. Kind of like sort of golf.
Here we go. Yeah, sort of like golf.
Sort of like. You know and it was just awesome
I mean no go go and get one of his golf swings.
You got to get one of Joe Joe. I love you, brother.
We had to get yet missed a bunch of short putts.
He recorded every shot, so it was really cool.
Hey, here we go. Look at that setup, baby.
Come on, look at that puppy, right, That's a.
Good one. He then topped the next three.
I think that he'll show you right?
But then he's look watch this, you look there and he tops it
again. So all of you would say
technique, technique, technique. He shot his goal was 99.
He shot 101. The next week he shot a 91 using
the scoring method topped it again, right.
So I'm just saying is, is like, you know, to break 100, if
you've got somewhat of a technique, you can get out there
and start to focus on scoring and not technique, you know what
I mean? And just start focusing on the
scoring side of things. And when you're on the golf
course, you can focus on technique and testing it.
Can I do this more often? And that's what I love about it.
Corey is like, hey, I watched on the YouTube and someone told me
I should start doing this. Cool.
Test it. Do it 10 times.
How many did you get inside of a three foot circle?
2 Now do it the way you do it. How did you get 8?
We probably shouldn't do that on the golf course if you only did
2. But if it went from 8, you
normally get 2 and you got 8. You do it, man.
You use it on the golf course. You've got a test.
You've got to test it. You've got to bring stuff in
that you trust to take on the golf course.
You can do it when you're in detention.
Yep, 100%. So like my my go to club, I'd
always tried to have a foreign be my go to club and then I
realized that I never I never trained it or practice it.
So then I I went, I found a hybrid which was great.
And then my 5 iron is like the the notch down for me of like I
can do that. I can, I have trained that
enough where I'm good there. And I challenge you for your
next tournament on any hole that you don't think that you can
definitely put driver in play. You take a 5 iron off the tee
and you'll be amazed that it's like because you did it so far,
you'll be amazed at 80 fours turning to 70 fours and you're
like, OK, but now I'm learning a 74.
Obviously you want to shoot a 68, but the point is you've got
to get a foundation where you're so confident that you can put it
in play right for a better golfer, obviously.
Come on, a Scotty Fosset, it talks about us.
What? What?
What did he say? We got you got a couple more
minutes, you got to run it. Yeah, I will.
So one of the one of the reels that we cut out of the main
video got some comments on Instagram.
Honestly, I didn't even think about these before we hopped on
here. But you're right.
So Scott, we we love Scott Fawcett.
Scott, you're awesome. He said that he got tagged in
this because you know, people looking to get his perspective.
This is this thing he had me until put away the driver.
The biggest difference the 90 shooter and 70s is distance off
the tee. I understand you keep the ball
in play, but just because you drop back doesn't mean you'll
hit the ferry or keep it out of the trees.
Yeah, absolutely. So first thing I would say here,
we didn't cut it out as in like we didn't want you to see it as
in we cut a short and put it in. Second thing with Scott Fawcett
decade, the college kids and the tour players that he is helping
is absolutely fantastic and the data that's driven from it.
And Scott is a you know, his mind, he's a genius mind and
he's a great golfer and and a good guy.
Been on the podcast. I love what what they're doing
with decade. I think it's helping a lot of
our college players that go my swings not good enough.
No, you aimed at a flagstick and you were 150 out and there was
trouble left and you didn't use your dispersion rate and you
missed it left and you hit it in the water.
That's why you may double, not because you're not good enough
is because you came to the wrong place.
So I think that's what's so amazing about what Scott does.
And I think for those better golfers, I completely
understand. I completely also understand
when he says driver goes further, it's easier to score.
Let's now talk about the genius behind all of this, which is
Mark Brody. And I think we do need to throw
the Mark Brody video in here because Mark Brody created
strokes, gained an insanely clever mathematician, an amazing
man who's helped so many golfers, right?
Every shot counts. Many of you've read it.
And I said to Mark specifically, I was presenting with him up in
Canada. I said, Mark, can you explain to
me the key thing? And I'm going to just put the
video in and you can watch it right now and see it.
If you could say that again, that'd be fantastic.
So we're talking about how close do you want to get to the
wholesale on a on a par 5? And I definitely believe you
want to use the longest club that you're consistent with, you
know, the long. So if you're mentioning the the
notion of hitting A31 and if you top it or slice it or hook it,
if you're not very consistent with that, then you're bringing
all sorts of trouble into play. Whereas for somebody it might be
a three hybrid that there is the longest club that they're
consistent with. And that's a separate issue from
where exactly are the hazards and and some other things.
So I, you know, generally believe, you know the closer
closer you already the green, the lower you're going to score
if you're not putting yourself into trouble.
Absolutely, Absolutely. So it's really getting that your
favorite, your go to club longer and longer and longer, more and
more consistent because that will then put you in a position
from 20 yards off of the green instead of 100 yards off the.
Green Exactly. Yeah, it's all about playing the
percentages and you can't ignore the different dispersion or
consistency that you have with a three wood versus A3 hybrid or
whatever the other the other club is.
So absolutely. And remember, that's from Mark
Brodie. Every shot that counts, now that
you've watched the video, it is as far as you can advance the
ball in play because, yes, he's tracking tour players that can
hit drivers in a dispersion rate of, say, 50 yards.
You know, in amateurs and better amateurs, 70 yards.
But some of us, we can hit 87 yards rate and 147 yards left.
So his biggest thing is you advance it as far as you
possibly can. And yes, that will show you how
to shoot the lowest scores, which is why at the scoring
method, what we're a proponent of is go to the driving range,
hit 10-6 signs. Oh, you got 9 out of 10, right.
Done with that. You know, that's a go to club. 4
hybrids. How many?
30, then six, then eight, then nine.
As you do this, you're getting better face control because the
more you hit, the more in control of your face you are.
So the more you become aware of the face of the club.
And I was talking to Randy Smith the other day about Scotty
Scheffler and Randy, he was saying his awareness of the club
is better than anyone in the world right now.
That's why he's got control over his ball flight.
So many of us are trying to be positional golfers instead of
the position is where is the face of impact.
So as you get that four hybrid in play, guess what?
The three would now get 7 out of 10 times and then the driver
gets 6 out of 10 times. So then you get to a hole in a
big wide open hole. You know, your misses a right
bomb driver, Scotty absolutely go down as far as you possibly
can. So yes, you've got to use it.
Now for some of my lady golfers and seniors, they hit their
drivers So darn straight. I'm like, you can't take your go
to club is your driver. If you lay it with A4 iron, you
can't hit a you know, if they're hitting a 511 yards, we're never
going to get to the hole. So I'm hit driver all day long.
Let's go, let's go. But for most of us, our driver
dispersion is so wide that what Scott is saying doesn't match up
to a 22 or 23 handicap. Now you might then say, well,
I'm a four and I can hit a duck hook and I can also hit a block
and there's a 70 or 80 yard wide special.
Yeah. So you shouldn't be taking a
driver on that hole. But it's 460 yards.
Yeah, it's the hottest hole in the course.
It's the hole that you're going to triple or double.
So if you took your go to 4I and hit 210 or your two I and hit
2:20 and then you poked another one out of that 210 or 220 and
got into the scoring zone and wedged on and missed the putt,
you'd make a bogey. And who cares?
It's not about making more birdies to win on the PGA Tour,
It's who has the less least amount of bogeys that wins on
the PGA Tour. Phil Mickelson showed that for
years, right? It's only when he's starting to
get rid of double S that he started to win majors, right?
So that's the beauty of what I think is so great about Scott
Fawcett in decades. And I think for that next level
of golfer that's looking for the mathematician behind it and the
real strategy and college players, I think, yeah, great.
But if you want something that's you can go through very simply
and make you a better caddy player, I would say the
simplicity you know of using the scoring method, it'll help you
fantastically. Well, thank you for responding
to all the comments. It was very fun to get out and
take your on my home course and do some stuff.
We're going to do it again. Because you're back in
Minnesota, we get a high handicap golfer and we go out
there and we go and do it and get some more content.
And please keep the questions coming and the other ones be be
devil got advocate. You know, it's OK.
I'm not saying be a hater. We all need to be loving in the
world, but I'm saying challenge us because we want to help you
get better at golf. My mission is to revolutionize
golf instruction worldwide. That means guarantee lower
scores for golfers, and that's what the scoring method is
doing. Love it will.
Thank you. Peace.